Classic or Dud: U2

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What are there, like, 500 threads on this page? And not a single one has mentioned U2! What is it with all you children of the 80s? I bet everyone on this list has owned a U2 album at some point, something you probably couldn't say for any other band. So what is it? Classic or Dud?

Mark Richardson, Wednesday, 28 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

To me, this one is a no brainer. Classic, by far. From their punk-based art rock in the early 80s with memorable songs such as "I Will Follow" and "Sunday Bloody Sunday" to their electronica experimentation days with Achtung Baby, Zooropa, and Pop. Everyone criticizes them for their large tours during the 90s and the loss of their earnestness over that time. I admit, it was a change in their style, but I would rather see a band go on an experimentation and try music they have never heard before than make music that feels comfortable and the same. Besides, their latest album proves they still have all the old qualities that made them big. On the musical aspect, they have some real gems of albums with the largely passionate War to the masterpiece of The Joshua Tree. A few concept albums like Pop and Rattle and Hum give more variety to their repetoire. The thing I love about U2 most is the unique flow of Bono's voice with their wonderfully written songs. Very spiritualistic and in some cases Driven. Whew!!! Ok. There. U2? Classic.

Luptune Pitman, Wednesday, 28 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Classic. Of course they have produced a lot of crap. but history doesn't remember the crap that classics produce.

Rebel Yellow Bleach Blondie Boy, Thursday, 29 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

instead of just saying dud because of luptune i'll give some reasons: 1-those stupid sunglasses. 2-bono's horrid voice 3-that new single "walk on" 4-sunday bloody sunday. 5- "walk on"...and luptune likes them. dud

Kevin Enas, Thursday, 29 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

U2 have never been a large part of my life anyhow, but, what i have heard I hear like this. The songs sound fine, pleasant even, for maybe two, two and a half minutes tops, and then the whole bloody bombast *thing* bursts in and the songs are just ruined for me(see with or without you *par example*) Not to mention the fumbeld grasp on politics, pop, religion, irony, *soul* fer fucks sake , or the dumb messiah complex. But the music though, really now!Is it just me or in the "anthems" (ahem) does The Edge play that same bloody jangly, ehoey riff (see those first two songs on The Joshua Tree, Beautiful Day et al) So Dud then, quite obviously.

Stephen, Thursday, 29 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Dud, dud, dud. They're just so...leather trousers, if you see what I mean.

DG, Thursday, 29 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Maybe I'm wrong, but I've always seen U2 as being one of the flagship whipping boys for the indie community. Someone please explain. No fair bringing up Bono's ridiculous political posturing or the inherent smugness of all their recent tour gimmicks. For U2 fans, those are as tiresome as the "they don't write their own songs" or the "it's manufactured" cop-outs that pop fans have to listen to. All of their albums from The Unforgettable Fire to Zooropa are spankin' good, and songs like With Or Without You and Bad are undeniably fantastic. The new album and singles are crap, but still...overall, an easy CLASSIC.

Shane Knepshield, Thursday, 29 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but the reason pop fans are bored of that kind of criticism is that we like it that way or at least dont mind it and we defend it or explain why it doesn't matter. Being bored of a criticism just because people repeat it a lot isn't that good a defense against that criticism.

I think they're a dud because of Bono's rather predictable vocal stylings and with a handful of exceptions I've not seen much in the songs to redeem that. But they were onto something production wise with the Eno/Lanois sound on the Joshua Tree, a kind of stadium artrock shimmer which was marred by Bono's OTT bellowing but made for some grand rock singles anyhow. Since they discovered 'irony' they've been utterly unbearable.

Tom, Thursday, 29 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I think this one is more accurately answered over time.

1984 -- "What's this 'Pride' song on the radio? Hm, sounds nice."

1987 -- "This _Joshua Tree_ album is pretty good."

1988 -- "This _Rattle and Hum_ album is pretty shit, one or two tracks aside."

Through to the present -- occasional good tune to the contrary, *snore*

At this point, seeing U2 would rank up there as a 'pleasure' for me in the same way that seeing the Rolling Stones or Bruce Springsteen would. I leave that kind of joy to the deadened, blinkered likes of Robert Hilburn. Never has the continuing mainstream critical consensus been ever so increasingly frustrating and obnoxious, but I suppose they make a great band for somebody who buys one album a year.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Dud. Not particularly objectionably dud, just sort of fairly harmless *nuisance* - like the tap that always drips, or a creaky floorboard that you really *should* find time to fix. They're just sort of AROUND aren't they these days? Just making a sort of bleating noise about something or other.

I thought they might be onto something with 'Achtung Baby', which I don't mind, but then of course pomp and bluster took hold again, and it's back to business as usual.

Dr. C, Thursday, 29 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

well, i suppose there's 3 stages to u2 isn't there?

the earnest stage, in, like the 80s, when they really meant it, and they rocked and all that stuff, and i don't even remember, just some ugly people on the tv. turn that over. boring. dud, of course they were dud. the 80s were grey and horrible, and they were grey and horrible for the simple reason that u2 were in them, dud dud dud.

the irony/postmodern thingy in the 90s, they didn't mean it anymore, they're only playing! "oh, we were pompous in the 80s, how silly we were' lets be as over the top as poss and subvert. irony, yeah!! no no no, dud again. is this phase more or less dud than the initial phase? can't decide.

now. they really mean it again. they're going to change the world with their big tuneful rock thats a bit pop too. and the pope likes them. and noel g too! dud, but not as dud as the other 2 phases. no wait, more dud.

aaargh, u2! the biggest dud of them all. but funny i guess.

so, dud then

gareth, Thursday, 29 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

There may be a "mainstream critical consensus" somewhere, but I doubt U2 is part of it - too many people hate them.

Musically, I think they go from Dud to Classic and back a lot, but mainly I have a big U2 trauma, because they were by 10 miles the favorite band of all obnoxious rich kids at school - "Sunday Bloody Sunday" is their fucking "Stairway To Heaven" and it's ruined that song for me.

I seem to prefer Under A Blood Red Sky, Rattle & Hum and Zooropa over The Joshua Tree (too much bombast, "Where The Streets Have No Name" has no discernible tune) Achtung Baby (half of it is undistinctive atmospheric in-one-ear-out-the-other stuff) and the latest one (hits-plus-filler), but that might be just a personal thing.

I have no opinion about Bono's personality, but I remember once kids from my secondary school making some sort of amateur video, lipsynching to some song or other - this would be in the mid-80's - and halfway through it one of them starts brandishing a big white flag around, not as a statement or anything, but 'cause that's what rock bands do, right ? Bono does it !

They were a very pernicious influence at one point. They were one of the bands that made it almost impossible at one point for mainstream rock fans to enjoy music that isn't stadium-size. Plus almost every goddamn new Canadian rock band around 1987-89 sounded like U2 and Simple Minds.

Patrick, Thursday, 29 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

No, I have never owned an album of theirs and they are dud dud dud. God, I just keep on wanting to type dud over and over and over and over again. If there's any group that represents what I can't bear in rock music it's U2. Worse than the Cure. I'm sorry I can't bring myself to articulate the reasons. With most bands I don't like (I don't know... Guns n' Roses) I can twist around my thoughts if I feel Iike it and decide that in fact they're great. But not U2. God I hate U2. I really do. Sorry.

Nick, Thursday, 29 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Classic. They had a shitload of great tunes in the early days and a pretty freakin' original sound. I think Bono can sing pretty well even if he is a bit overzealous at time. JOSHUA TREE is a top notch record. Got pretty sucky in the late 80s with that RATTLE AND HUM dung, but I think they've redeemed themselves pretty well of late. Not nearly as necessary today as they were in the early 80s but the best thing on the freakin' radio and they still occasionally surprise me with some original song ideas. Oh yes, and Thom Yorke, you still sound like "new" Bono.

Tim Baier, Thursday, 29 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I agree with Nick Dastoor, only more so. Horrible. I've never owned one of their albums either, I'm delighted to say.

Tim, Thursday, 29 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Another good band ruined by an extremely punchable lead singer (see also Radiohead). 'Rattle and hum' was so embarrasing, it ended up being funnier than 'Spinal tap'. Even when Bono's heart is in the right place (cancelling 3rd world debt) you know he's feeding his already elephantine ego by being seen with the Pope or the President. Hes just a coke-addled middle crisis merchant. Having said that, there has always been some interesting shit going on in U2's music. A lot of it down to Eno's production but The Edge has a fantastic guitar style. Simon Reynolds once called him 'the cinematographer of the guitar' which is spot-on. 'New years day' is the best example of that 80's rock thing you will hear. 'The unforgettable fire' is the best song Scott Walker never wrote. Steve Albini would kill to write a riff as tight as 'Wire'. The new album is complete shite however and I am sick to the sight of them. The Irish rock scene has been polluted by too many lame-o U2 copyists (Cactus World News, JJ72). I think I'll sit on the fence with this one.

Michael Bourke, Thursday, 29 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

'coke-addled midlife crisis merchant'...:)....sorry, I had to speed- type that response during my lunchbreak

Michael Bourke, Thursday, 29 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Following up Tom's response, I should clarify that I wasn't trying to dismiss the validity of criticisms focusing on the band's annoying public persona. As an ardent U2 supporter, even I can't help wanting to slap Bono on occasion (why won't he just shut up?). I was merely trying to steer the inevitable U2 bashing towards being more of an evaluation of their music rather than a celebration of what a tool Bono is. But hey, you all have done a pretty good job of hitting them hard from both angles, so I'm more than satisfied. Now that I've fullfilled my compulsive need to try to explain myself, I'll step aside and let the previously scheduled U2 slaughter continue.

Shane Knepshield, Thursday, 29 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

DUD, with a few minor exceptions.

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 29 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I've said it once, but I will say it again....dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud. You see? Their existence is only justified by an idiotic aquaintance of mine saying "Yeah, I like Indie music...you know, like U2."

DG, Thursday, 29 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

"Coke-addled midlife crisis merchant"??? Michael, admit it now: you are Nicky Wire ;)

ANYHOW, I apparently have to wave the flag nearly by myself but U2 are goddamned classics. Sure, Bono apparently has had sunglasses surgically attached to his face, and sure he's annoying, and sure Zooropa and Pop were piss, but no band who could put out something the level of Achtung Baby! should ever, ever, EVER be referred to as a dud. EVER. Their greatest hits album is just beautiful. I mean, yes, Bono is a twathead at times. I WILL GIVE ALL OF YOU THIS FACT. Mainly because it is a fact - I mean, he's like my dad's age and running around in those ridiculous colored sunglasses and sparkly shirts looking all the world like a glam-rock The Fly (thank god that phase is over), but come on - Bad, With or Without You, One - these are all fantastic songs.

You can't convince me you don't sing along with them in the pub. Not a one of you.

Ally, Thursday, 29 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

never been in a pub

mark s, Thursday, 29 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

unforgettable fire was truly otherworldly when i first heard it. i can't help but think that there is not any comparable contemporary band(creed ha!) working on a spiritual plain. i am not all that commited to anything but that record reeks of passion and faith and is remarkable. and u2 meant it didn't they? for a teen like me that was powerful stuff. i never thought joshua tree was as good as it was made out to be but UF is undeniably classic. that said they have not reached any place mildly interesting since the mid 80s. oh, but i did like that song 'acrobat'.

keith, Thursday, 29 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

No, I'm sorry, _Achtung Baby_ deserves death, among other things because *that's the stupidest fucking album title*. There are other candidates, but geez. Lame. Figures that the music was equally pseudo-involving. I'll grant "Until the End of the World," though the fact that my first encounter with said song was a live clip showing Bono loving himself even put me off that.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I REALLY hope you mean something different from "loving himself" than I was just picturing, Ned. *shivers*

Anyhow, how is Achtung Baby the stupidest album title? It's just there and bland, it's not like, say, Enter the Dragon. I still haven't figured out what that means.

Ally, Friday, 30 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

heh heh, i thought it was funniest when Bozo was hanging out with Dylan & co and giving us solemn proclamations every now and then like "Roy Orbison had the best voice of a white man of his generation" - that was his hilarious "Custodian of Rock" phase, circa Rattle & Hum.

The music itself is a bunch of hammy guitar effects pedal tricks, overlaid with a straining, toilet seat voice trying hard to be epic and enigmatic but just ending up thoroughly, soddenly middlebrow.

However their first LP - although still ultimately crap - was a leaner, artier thing, when they were grooving to northern soul and joy division. Worth checking out, if only to confrim to yourself it's a blind alley.

BTW where the fuck is the kudos attached to "meaning it"? Hitler meant it!

I read a funny story about John Lydon sacking his manager circa 1989 because he told him he should "try to be more like Bono". I wish I'd been a fly on the wall when that conversation took place..

DS, Friday, 30 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

You can always spot the 'custodians of rock' phase a couple of years before it comes. They wear leather waistcoats, hats and do photoshoots in the Arizona desert. Of course just out of shot is the helicopter waiting to whisk them back to air-conditioned comfort. Then before you know it the guitarist is trading 'licks' with Buddy Guy or someone.

Dr. C, Friday, 30 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

i don't sing along in the pub.

i don't care how much joy division they listen to (i mean, so does mogwai from all accounts). the overcooked grandiose "epic" vocals and cornball lyrics ("we eat and drink while tomorrow they die" *slap*) and totally nondescript rhythm section ruin very promising guitar parts and eno's production. i'd at least listen to an instrumental album by the edge.

search: "new year's day"

sundar subramanian, Friday, 30 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

so u2 = hitler? i only wished to convey the thought that they were not contrived.

keith, Friday, 30 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I find Dr. C's analysis spot on. The alternate symptoms in the late eighties were wearing bad paisley clothing and getting produced by Jeff Lynne.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 31 March 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

u2 = total classic. it's music for anyone who remembers being young and stupid, but who still had dreams and a whole lot of passion -- that is, before cynicism gets the best of you and your idealism is shot to hell.

if one doesn't like bono's voice or even bono himself, then there's not much you can do. though if you can dislike the band just because of bono, you probably don't much like the music in the first place. for example, i hate thom yorke. truly and thoroughly. but when the music's fine, i can put that aside. (stunning revelation: i quite like "pyramid song.")

i'm arguably the most classic rock person on this board, so it should be no surprise that i'm a sucker for their grandiose arena rock. here's a question: how many of you that rate the rolling stones a classic, rate u2 a dud?

fred solinger, Sunday, 1 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I do at least rate "Have You Seen Your Mother Baby ..." as something closer to classic than I do any U2 song.

Robin Carmody, Sunday, 1 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Total shite. Only 'Under a Blood Red Sky' is okayish. The rest is well wank of the highest order. Of course it doesn't help when your singer is such a wanker and proud of it. And they're always at least 5 years behind the cool thing. At least Eno got some easy money producing their shit.

Omar, Tuesday, 3 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

yeh but fred, rolling stones are a classic, and u2 are a dud, because rolling stones have got 'shine a light' and 'have you seen your mother...' and 'under my thumb' and 'lets spend the night together' and all of 'their satanic majesties request' (underrated album or what?), whereas u2 have got... um, er, um...

gareth, Tuesday, 3 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

who are you guys kidding? u2 are classic! this thread is kind of pointless, i don't understand why so many people say dud. i can't stand the rockstar posing, especially after the 'returntoform' of the new record that personally i find boring as shite, but they're still u2, and they've been around for about 20 years and they still have hit singles that hold up over time and i can stand sitting through. classic, naturally. you try being as successful as consistently as they have!

michael dieter, Tuesday, 3 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Classic or Dud is no place for objectivity, Michael. I think cutting my fingernails is more consistently and aesthetically 'successful' than anything Bono's done for 14 years.

Tom, Tuesday, 3 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

" you try being as successful as consistently as they have! "

Michael, I don't understand your argument. Is it of '50 000 000 Elvis Fans Can't Be Wrong!' variety? The majority is always right, huh? Not that it even is a majority.

Nick, Tuesday, 3 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
This is not a question worth discussing, since obviously, whether you like to admit it or not, U2 is considered to be a classic group. In about 5 years or so, they will definitely be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, along with the other classic rock groups. I was surprised to see that so many of you reacted negatively to the group, calling them duds. I've never met someone who had such animosity to the group, usually at the worst people think U2 is ok music, but in no way are they a contraversial or disappointing group.

But I won't use the argument that U2 has millions of followers around the world, because so do NSYNC and Britney Spears, and we all know how talented (gag) they are. Instead, think about their 20+ year career history, and the number of hits they've produced. Whether someone likes U2's music or not should not be criteria in considering a group to be a classic. I'm not a Rolling Stones fan, but I have to admit, they are a classic, whether I like their music or not. U2 is in the same category- despite personal musical preference, they supercede personal taste because, in essence, THEY ARE A CLASSIC! You do not need to be a fan of U2's music to realize that they are a classic. Besides, how many are involved with Greenpeace, Amnesty International, etc etc and donate countless hours and money to causes, such as relieving 3rd world debt? Too many other rock groups are too high on coke and are too self-involved to partake.

Many of the previous arguments I've read are hardly convincing and seem petty, "U2 = dud, their music sucks and it's for old people and like, Bono's a twat and egomaniac...blah blah blah" So what if Bono's a drama queen? It's all part of the Rock act and makes it more interesting to the fans and followers (of which, you all know, they have millions). The group isn't just about Bono, come on, it's the entire package. U2 is without a doubt, a classic, and an undeniably great group.

V. MacManus, Monday, 11 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Classic if only for a)not even trying to hide the fact they have the worst bass player in history, and b)the line "Man melts the sand so he can see the world outside."

tarden, Monday, 11 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Whether someone likes U2's music or not should not be criteria in considering a group to be a classic.

Oh, that's a completely rubbish argument. Why is wrong for people to consider things on their own terms, and not accept pronouncements from Rolling Stone, Q et al at face value? I rather like the idea of people actually thinking for themselves instead of blindly accepting what they are told.

Nicole, Monday, 11 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

U2 involved in Greenpeace & Amnesty International...leaving aside that Greenpeace denies the livelihoods of strip-miners and lumberjacks, and Amnesty meddles in the internal security of tin-pot dictatorships who do perfectly well on their own thanks, I think a band's musical achievements should be separated completely from the amount of grandstanding they indulge in.

tarden, Monday, 11 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Which cuts both ways of course, as I like U2's records a lot. I think Zooropa is better than Amnesiac. But Jubilee 2000? C'mon, it's not HIS money that he lent out 30 years ago and didn't get the interest back, was it?

tarden, Monday, 11 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Finally found a page on this thing where I disagree with EVERYONE!

I can't hardly stand early U2 (whiny, monotonous, overblown), but everything from Joshua Tree on I find to be real groovy. Even Rattle & Hum. Achtung Baby is a great classic. The first side of Joshua Tree is flawless. Am I crazy?

brah gruplee, Wednesday, 13 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

First side of Joshua Tree IS flawless, second side irredeemable, especially the godawful harmonica.

tarden, Thursday, 14 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

That _Joshua Tree_ analysis is so on the money that it's taken my breath away. And here I was thinking I was the only one who felt that way...

Early U2 is quite clearly the bomb. The first three albums are glorious in their entirety. After that, they tend to be a mixed affair (the sole exception being _Achtung, Baby_ which is pretty much brilliant except for one song which is so dull that I can no longer recall its name or tune).

Dan Perry, Thursday, 14 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Classic. Some people have been saying things like "boring" "dull" and the rolling stones are better. That is total BS!!! Listening to U2 is like listenening to something that has never been done or never will or should not be done again. This is solid gold. What isn't boring? Some wastoid band like limp bizkit or metallica that are trying so hard to be hardcore that they are just blabbing on and on without a purpose. And the Rolling Stones? One of the biggest sellouts in history. No band on earth bought more into the corperate rock of the seventys. Some of their later stuff sounds like disco CRAP!!! We need U2 not just for the euphoric music but for sincerity.

Luke, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

"Listening to U2 is like listenening to something that...should not be done again"

Are you sure you mean this? Though I entirely agree.

Tom, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Disco crap, but GOOD Disco Crap, see the misunderstood 'Hot Stuff'.

Omar, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
I can't help but agree with V. MacManus.

Look guys, U2 is a powerful band. They inspire extreme hatred in some people, but they inspire extreme love in far more. Regardless of how much Bono offends you (I'm still unclear as to how that can happen... he's quite harmless) the facts still stand: U2 is one of most artistically and commercially successful bands of all time.

Many of you mantain that they were good in the 80's but sold out in the 90's. I suggest looking up the word "irony" in the dictionary. During their ZooTV and PopMart stadium tours they flat out refused corporate sponsorship (unlike the Rolling $tones) and lost money as a result. Just as you wouldn't assume that a battered old book is of poor literary quality based on its cover, you shouldn't attribute shallowness to a band just because they have video screens and flashy lights.

And if U2 were a dud band, why would they go out of their way time after time after time to change their musical style, often against what is currently popular. 'War' was a big success, so why go do 'The Unforgettable'? If 'The Joshua Tree' made them the most popular thing to come out of Ireland since the potato, why do something like 'Rattle and Hum'? And if their earnest, save-the-whales style of the 80's worked so well, why in God's name would you go off with something like 'Achtung Baby' and ZooTV? And why then change into 'Pop'? Why?

Because they've got balls. U2 just keeps changing and growing, usually with success (UF, JT, Achtung) but sometimes getting burned (Rattle and Hum, Pop). Instead of choosing the quick and easy path by just repeating a familiar sound over and over, U2 never let the critics, the media, or any of you punks drag them down.

Because like the Beatles and the other established classic bands, U2's twenty-year career has been a continuous growth process. U2 just keeps evolving, so they ALWAYS HAVE SOMETHING NEW AND INTERESTING TO SAY.

And THAT is the critical component in seperating the wheat from the chaff. THAT is what makes U2 a classic, and THAT is what makes the Rolling $tones a dud.

Amen.

Sam Cunningham, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

both

classic in the sense that they came out with a few good pop songs and records

dud in the fact that they are absolute crap now, are absoulute hypocrites and sellouts (the abc documentry sponsored by McDonalds, ticket prices only the rich can afford, bono dissing the "violence" by anti-capitolist protestors in Genoa whilst he was on a luxury yacht with tony blair without one mention of that protestor who was shot twice in the head, etc), were influenced by punk and yet at the same time sneered at the genre, along with the fact that bono's ego is larger than the size of the american continent and believes that the world revolves around him

i also think they ripped off depeche mode-badly-when they came out with achtung baby, only a few good songs on that record, and pop was much, much worse

i no longer buy u2 albums anymore, not even used

the walrus, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

What is this bizarre and much-cherished idea among U2 fans that U2 records sound radically different from one another?

Tom, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

They do! Good and Bad sound extremely different to the discriminating listener!

Sterling Clover, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

You listen to Bono's obnoxious falsetto on Lemon and then listen to Sunday Bloody Sunday and tell me that their style never changed, Tom.

Ally, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, _Zooropa_ doesn't sound AT ALL like it came from the same group that produced _Boy_.

Dan Perry, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
That's it - the falsetto. That's why I hate them now. I guess when a guy has no singing talent, i would rather hear him scream than try to sing. (Although Axl Rose screamed a lot, and he just plain sucks.)

Dave, Tuesday, 2 October 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

actually, the falsetto is the Edge

chameleon, Saturday, 13 October 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
I confess I can absolutely not be objective about that subject since I'm a big U2 fan. However I admit that U2's musical lifestyle has had lows (lots in the latest album) and highs (almost all the rest), that Bono sometimes gets to sing out of tune (only on stage, but who doesn't ?!) and that his ego's really as large as America. But U2 emit so much strength, (good-)will, energy, faith and pure love that they're able to kidnap my heart and steal my mind. And when I get them back I do feel great. They're able to influence some people's mood, maybe even to open some other's mind. Is it what you find so dud about them ? That they're able come up with something more spiritual than "I can't get no satisfaction" ? (I'm not criticising the Stones, I love that song). Anyway they're classic !

Emeline Brunet, Friday, 21 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

They're able to influence some people's mood, maybe even to open some other's mind. Is it what you find so dud about them ?

Uh, no. They just *bore* me. Is that so hard to understand?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Bono had a mullet at one point, no? And Adam Clayton a rattail?

If so, dud.

If not so -- liked them well enough when I was a teenager. Thought Rattle and Hum (a/k/a Boring and Dumb) was the aural equivalent of a clump of pubic hair in the shower. Originally hated "The Fly," and thought Bono's Fly-schtick was stupid, but came to like Achtung Baby well enough. Stopped caring not soon thereafter. Like the fact that Bono speaks up for Jubilee and Amnesty International, but since when does being a do-gooder necessarily = being a good music-maker?

Verdict: classic, but barely.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Saturday, 22 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Wow, I can't believe I never posted on this thread. U2 roolz! Really, I don't think they've come close to the Achtung, Baby level with anything since. But each of Zooropa, Pop, and All That . . . has two or three really nice little rock ditties. And I think they are by far the most bearable rock band that gets major radio play in the US.

bnw, Saturday, 22 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

And I think they are by far the most bearable rock band that gets major radio play in the US.

A very good way of putting it.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 22 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
truly classic.... the beat, the passion, the raw sound... it helped me come back to life in the late 80's

kevin moore, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I knew Bono was somehow involved with evil magic...

adam, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

it helped me come back to life in the late 80's

Your name is not Lestat.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I'm on the lookout for a used copy of Zooropa. I like that record.

Mark, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
"I suppose they make a great band for somebody who buys one album a year."

Well I guess you buy more than one album a year since "_Achtung Baby_ deserves death", U2 just bore you and "This _Rattle and Hum_ album is pretty shit, one or two tracks aside". Just curious, I wonder what kind of music has your favour and what albums you didn't drown in your acid remarks this year.

Emeline Brunet.

Emeline Brunet, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I have never owned a U2 record. Am I just wrong?

tav, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I wonder what kind of music has your favour and what albums you didn't drown in your acid remarks this year.

Last year? Lateralus, Exciter, Group Sounds, The Blueprint, Ended Up a Stranger, Amnesiac, How I Loved You (and the Michael Gira solo) for starters, I could go on if you wanted me to. Point is, I love *that* and find U2 objectionable -- and I really don't care what you think. If you're a U2 fan in turn, you shouldn't be caring what I think. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Ned, you will give in to "The Fly". That's probably the best single U2 ever released. Of course, nowadays I'd like to punch Bono into next week, but that song is the real, yo.

Dan Perry, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I. HATE. U2. I want to cut up their leather clad bodies and feed them to all their slack jawed guinness drinking tractor driving Irish fans.

I also love that guy at the top who said they experimented with electronica on 3 of their albums. you can't buy comedy that good. Don't you love when bands don't actually "experiment with electronica" but they say that they did and then all their fans are like "HEY THIS E-L-E-CTRONICA STUFF IS VERY GOOD".

Ronan, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Ned, you will give in to "The Fly".

I was so not a fan of that song when it came out. It's been years since I've heard it, so maybe time has dulled the pain -- though I suspect not.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"The Fly" has one of the greatest choruses that U2 ever wrote, ranking up there with "I Will Follow", "New Year's Day", "Pride", and "With Or Without You".

Dan Perry, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"The Fly" has one of the greatest choruses that U2 ever wrote

love the backhanded compliment Dan! i mean, thats hardly saying much is it;)

gareth, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, come on. Back in their prime, the thing that made U2's singles so great was how the chorus was absolutely perfect for the song. "I Will Follow" is particularly great in this regard, as are "With Or Without You" and "The Fly". (And, now that I think about it, "Beautiful Day" and "Stuck In A Moment That You Can't Get Out Of".)

Dan Perry, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"Stuck in a VH1 Video You Wish You Could Turn Off," more like. Bring on the hate! Icky album.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"The Fly" not only has a fantastic chorus, the song's basically all chorus - the verses are pretty awkward and to me, tossed off. Actually, I suppose the solo is pretty as well, but really it's the chorus that does it for me. Sometimes I wish that's all the song was.

Vinnie, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"Stuck in a Moment"? You can plead a better chorus case than that, Dan. :) Try "Pride", for starters.

Vinnie, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Actually, it occurred to me that taking my supposition from the previous year that bands can be held accountable for the crimes of their followers (the Clash deserve smacking around for the likes of Rancid, even my adored Smiths need some hate for the pestilence that is Gene, etc.), U2 need to be collectively strung up for inspiring Creed. That Stapp twit said something a while back about how The Joshua Tree was his first rock album he ever got, and given how he was raised in an anti-music household or something it blew him away and has resulted in him dribbling out pseudo-spiritual hogwash since. Thanks for nothing!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Totally agree with you there, Ned. U2 has produced some dang annoying offspring with Creed being at the forefront of those.

Vinnie, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

But Vinnie, "Pride" was one of the songs I mentioned in my original list!

I will gladly weather any ridicule people want to toss my way for liking "Stuck In A Moment..." because it's a great song (even if the video is somewhat trance-inducing in a bad way).

Dan Perry, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

even if the video is somewhat trance-inducing in a bad way

MY POINT.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

dan and ned are not the same person anymore. my illusions are shattered. ilx will never be the same;(

gareth, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Oops, you're right! It's so tiny it just slipped past my eyes. Um, good call on "Pride" then. :) "Stuck in a Moment" isn't a bad song, but I can't put it into the same category as "Pride", "I Will Follow", etc. because the chorus is not at all anthemic. Doesn't stick out when it comes to U2 choruses. But then, I liked "Walk On" so what do I know.

Vinnie, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Butbutbut Gareth, we both still hate Bono. Surely that must count for something...?

Vinnie: "Walk On" is a decent song; certainly it has a better chorus than "Elevation", but loses out in the end because, well, the tune is hella-weak. Maybe it's just the singer in me, but there was a very memorable moment last week when I was at a pizza place with some singing friends and when "Stuck In A Moment..." came on, we all joined in on the chorus simultaneously and without prompting. It was then that I realized how catchy that chorus is.

Dan Perry, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

dan and ned are not the same person anymore. my illusions are shattered. ilx will never be the same;(

Remember, the difference in vowels in our name indicates that there will always be some minor points of conflict.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Well, some of these are great. But Depeche Mode's "Exciter" ? Oh, come on ! They're so comparable to U2... "Exciter" sounds like a softer "Achtung Baby" : same low tunes and deep voice drowned in a rock/electronica kind of sensual background but with meaningless lyrics. I can't believe you like Depeche Mode and hate U2... Btw is it really U2 you hate or just Bono ?

And a last thing : "If you're a U2 fan in turn, you shouldn't be caring what I think. ;-)"

Well I do love U2 but I care what you think : I'm not upset that you can't stand them, I just like the way you shoot them down, simple and sarcastic but still... funny. I guess I'm a fan who appreciates interesting remarks, even if there are sometimes a bit harsh.

Emeline Brunet, Thursday, 28 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I can't believe you like Depeche Mode and hate U2... Btw is it really U2 you hate or just Bono ?

The prospect of the whole band. As it happens, I rather think that Achtung Baby reflects U2 listening to Violator instead of the other way around! ;-)

Well I do love U2 but I care what you think : I'm not upset that you can't stand them, I just like the way you shoot them down, simple and sarcastic but still... funny. I guess I'm a fan who appreciates interesting remarks, even if there are sometimes a bit harsh.

Ah, that's quite all right, then! I'm crabbier than I seem, I think, and I like people who stick to their guns but allow for debate anyway. :-)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

_Exciter_ is a great album, actually. _All That You Can't Leave Behind_ is a decent album, certainly better than the few that preceeded it.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 28 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
Best band ever.

Scott Smith, Friday, 27 June 2003 15:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
I heard "New Year's Day" this morning and I have to say that I hate Bono's singing.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

man, whatta fucking dud that new song is. overall, id say, u2 is a dud, but classic in a few exceptional instances.

peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Reading this thread all the way through is hilarious. It's like the definition of "indie snob." People who hate U2 are just trying way too hard. What if somebody thinks I like U2 as much as My Bloody Valentine! Most of the complaints have to do with the band's IMAGE for fuck's sake with no mention of the music. They inspired Creed! Oh no! Fuck you!
"Bad"
"Like a Song"
"With or Without You"
"Until the End of the World"
"Surrender"
There's five classic songs without even trying hard to think of any. Go hate on bands that deserve it, not bands that work with Eno AND uplift millions.

bono vox, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:36 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

whoa - bono himSELF.

peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Indie snob here.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

that new single, at least from what I heard of it on the iPod commercial: fucking massive painful dud.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

most of achtung baby = classic

>>>>>> the rest

AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I like a few of their songs, but once they get to all that yodelling, they totally lose me.

Jazz Police (NickB), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Boy, October, War = Classic

Unforgettable fire, joshua tree = less classic, but classic

rattle & hum = dud

acthung baby = classic

zooropa = less classic, but classic

since "pop" = so completely dud it is almost insane.

Elvis is Dead, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I hate U2.

Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

People who hate U2 are just trying way too hard

It's not that hard, trust me.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I was actually listening to "A Celebration" this morning ("SHAKE..SHAKE!"). I can't hate U2. I can feel embarassment and regret at times, but I'll never hate them.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Ned, take Elvis is Dead's rundown. Say a classic album's one where at least half the songs are good. There's 15 good songs. Say between Unforgettable Fire and The Joshua Tree there's five good songs. We're at 20. Add three more for Achtung Baby! and you have the magic mandalic number 23. 23 good songs is hard to just dismiss. Sure Bono wears sunglasses, and yes he's over 40 and concerned about Third World debt and he socializes with other fabulously successful people. 23 good songs! Don't people who love music like good songs? Don't people who love music appreciate bands capable of recording double-digit good songs?

de gustibus est non disputandem bla bla bla

bono vox, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 15:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Don't people who love music like good songs?

I like people who still think that 'good' is an objective term. You make me happy.

Now way up at the top of the thread you'll actually see that in the past I had quite a fondness for them, though never a full on 'must own everything' obsession. This fondness has been shot and has rotted away in the ground for almost fifteen years now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 15:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Elvis is Dead OTM

kephm (kephm), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 15:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I can see your point, Ned. I don't mean to be a pest. I just need to stand up for the guys who recorded "Bad." Sure they've gotten kind of shitty, but up through Achtung Baby their hit to miss is hard to brush off.

bono vox, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 15:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Alex in NYC feels embarassment and regret for me.

The first few records are brilliant. And they always craft one terrific tune per CD.

But Bono is such an annoyance. I wanna break his glasses bad.
Plus, The Edge still calls himself The Edge. He's what, pushing 50?

Their current claim to quality is that they're not Sting.

ian g, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 15:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I like the new one BIG TIME. What's it called again? And I like the football one too.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The iPod commercial makes me want to burn them at the stake.

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It's funny, I kinda like Bono despite U2. I never fell for their first few records. The last one is ok though. And what's up with all the Acthung Baby love? Despite a couple of songs, it's pretty bland.

danh (danh), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"ONE, TWO, THREE, FOURTEEN!"

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

occasional good songs whose qualities i hate to admit, they're a dud classic (bad bands i'm glad exist are classic duds).

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I just wish they'd grow old with a little more grace. I mean, have you seen Bono lately? The shades and straw cowboy hat combo HAS GOT TO GO!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

YES FOR ONCE I'M IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH YOU.

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've never seen so many "Dud" responses in a "Classic or Dud?" thread.

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Alex, Leon, he doesn't mean to bug you. Hey, why are you looking at me like that?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I like the new U2 song despite the revelation that Bono can't count.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 20:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i need to hear it. I like "discoteque" more than anything they've done since (except maybe the "discoteque"-rewrite "elevation") so if this is as bonkers as everybody says it is i might actually like it.

has u2 ever had any grace or dignity? their entire career seems riddled with fashion don'ts. they were cuter in their youth, but they were still guilty of numerous crimes against decency (ok starting with war, I really don't know the first two albums well at all).

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 20:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

has u2 ever had any grace or dignity?

Well, i suppose it's all relative. Circa The Unforgettable Fire it certainly seemed like they were both graceful and dignified, but I'm sure it struck some that they were overreaching and pious at the time. Seems to me, though, that they stumbled after Achtung, Baby and still haven't re-found their footing.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 20:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"elvis ate america"

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 20:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

sorry "elvis presley and america"

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 20:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i think i've said this before but to sumarize - indifferent early on, loved War, disliked Unforgettable Fire, hated Joshua Tree, loathed Rattle & Hum, Achtung Baby was a 'wow, there is good stuff her, loved Zooroopa (unlike many) and hated Pop. gave up again after that.

H (Heruy), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 20:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

And what's up with all the Acthung Baby love? Despite a couple of songs, it's pretty bland.
-- danh (dan_haa...), October 20th, 2004.

Blasfemy!

Elvis is Dead, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 23:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I kinda dig the new one, reminds me of the strokes.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 23:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Hahah. (Sorry, I just find that funny for some reason...)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 23:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD

But without them, we wouldn't have the Negativland thing.

Sasha (sgh), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 23:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

classic of course

ranking 'em, personal choices:

Zooropa
Achtung Baby
Pop
The Joshua Tree
War
ATYCLB
Boy
The Unforgettable Fire
Rattle and Hum
October

Passengers would rank up high, but that ain't all U2. Never understood the dislike of their '90s work. Bono tones it down, better musically, better lyrics. Seems to be a good formula.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 23:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

it was kinda meant to be funny! but it's true too!

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 21 October 2004 00:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Although I think that Bono Vox can be a twit most of the time, I love the bands 80s output with a passion.
And I am not ashamed.
It is not heresy, and I will not recant.
U2 == Good
Bono == "Bad"

I think of Bono as an Irish David Lee Roth doing a bad impersonation of Springsteen. Sure, he says something quotably dumb and ridiculous every time he's interviewed...but thats why we* like like him.
* = The "we" in question is me and my buds. "Bad Bono Quotes" is our favorite impromptu bar game.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 21 October 2004 00:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
Why does "The Edge" still wear a knit cap? Has that officially become "his thing"?

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 02:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

U2 is classic.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 03:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Why does "The Edge" still wear a knit cap? Has that officially become "his thing"?
Covers his bald spot.

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 03:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Dud.

Matt McEver (mattmc387), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 03:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Classic, although there is always at least one dud track per album, often a ham-fisted attempt at soul or gospel whose title ends in a preposition, e.g. "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" or "Stuck in a Moment You Can't Get Out Of."

Zooropa remains their best album, and a largely unappreciated precursor to the likes of Kid A (Wake me up when Thom Yorke writes a song as good as "Lemon"), but I quite like their last two retro-80s efforts as well.

John Hunter, Tuesday, 15 November 2005 04:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink


that song on the new ipod commercial (original of the species?)is fucking GOD AWFUL.

that said, I put on "Pop" for the first time in a long, long while at work today and I have to say I really enjoyed it. I liked U2 a lot more in high school, ive kinda grown out of it, but both Auchtung Baby and Pop are classics in my mind, fuck all the haters.

JD from CDepot, Tuesday, 15 November 2005 05:36 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Zooropa remains their best album, and a largely unappreciated precursor to the likes of Kid A"

and achtung is a precursor to OK Computer. hmm, come to think of it Zoo Station and Airbag are similar in a lot of ways. never thought of that till now.

not that I love u2 by any means, I just love that album. it's that "ham-fisted attempt at soul or gospel whose title ends in a preposition" that's probably what gets me more than anything. and the pompousness that goes with it.

AaronK (AaronK), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 13:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

U2 is the only band I've ever publicly renounced (in the late 80's). I got flak for that from most of my friends and haven't done anything like that since.

"You can't forget or cancel something you genuinely liked at some point", I was told. But for U2, I could. DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUD

blunt (blunt), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 13:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I still have my old vinyl copy of Boy I bought when it was first released in the states and every so often that opening to "I Will Follow" sounds just as thrilling as it did then. I saw them on the tour for October and at the time I thought they were one of the greatest bands in the world.

20+ years later, I'd change that to "they *could* be one of the greatest bands ever, but post-Zooropa (which is the only other U2 album I listen to all the way through) they seem to be content just doing the same thing and load up the albums with one song for the old fans, one oddball song, and another overblown ballad which is their equivalent to an Aerosmith soundtrack theme.

Anyway, both classic AND dud simultaneously.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 20:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

classic probably -particularly in the old stuff and when they went super disco on that one album. i also think bono is just kinda cool interesting perfect rocker type. and remember when he was young and had those thick juicy thighs? i can still see him prancing around with that flag at red rocks. but zero desire to listen to them.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 20:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

both classic AND dud simultaneously

This is probably the closest to the truth of all of the responses to this question.

John Hunter, Tuesday, 15 November 2005 22:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Clud.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 22:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...
U2 in the 80s: classic
U2 in the 90s and 00s: dud

I'll always love "I Will Follow."

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 05:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm another one where U2 were my favourite band at high school, so I'm betraying my 15 year-old self if I say Dud.

Ah well, fuck you 15 yr old Tom, you're too skinny anyway. DUD.

winter testing (winter testing), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 09:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I bought the "Fire" double single, very good.

I heard "Gloria" subsequently, and went off them.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 09:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm not a big fan either. Like many others, I loved War way back when, and I still like a few tracks on that album (Drowning Man has always been my favourite), but I rarely actively queue them up when listing to tunes.

As for Bono's political activism, personally I find him annoying, but I'm easily able to put that annoyance aside because his efforts certainly have helped many people around the world, and my personal opinions are pretty tiny and selfish compared to that. I can't stand Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt either, but they're still doing great things, even if it's partially to improve their image (which I'm not claiming, but is certainly possible). We do have to remember that despite the fact that these folks have lived pampered lives, they've also had the opportunity to see horrible things that most of us haven't, and that's bound to affect anyone who still has the smallest degree of humanity.

shorty (shorty), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 11:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Hated them when I first saw in a Presbyterian hall in Sutton - as 'the Hype' - in 1978, covering Dancing in the Moonlight and Peaches; hated them when i saw them in Sheriff St. - then a slum, now 'Docklands' - open air in 1983(?) where Paul did the following intro to Gloria;' though your houses may be falling down, though your children may be strung out on heroin ....(and more) i have one word to say to you; rejoice' , Hate the way they destroyed any independent critical thought here - long before the negativeland thing, they sued and closed the Irish fanzine 'Heat' ..... Hating U2 is one of the ways I check I'm alive .....

sonofstan (sonofstan), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 12:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

No Line On The Horizon

http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/music/newsid_7832000/7832748.stm

album track titles:

The full track listing is:

1. No Line On The Horizon

2. Magnificent

3. Moment of Surrender

4. Unknown Caller

5. I'll Go Crazy If I Don't Go Crazy Tonight

6. Get On Your Boots

7. Stand Up Comedy

8. Fez - Being Born

9. White As Snow

10. Breathe

11. Cedars Of Lebanon

djmartian, Friday, 16 January 2009 12:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Cedars of Lebanon" Bono's contribution to peace in the Middle East?

Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Friday, 16 January 2009 12:45 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'll Go Crazy If I Don't Go Crazy Tonight

^^^ Must be the Garth Brooks collab.

"Two Ears" Laybelle (Noodle Vague), Friday, 16 January 2009 12:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

bono has compared the U2 sound as being influenced by trance, Led Zep and Moroccan music

back in december 2007

People will “feel the difference” when they hear the new U2 album, Bono tells The Independent. The album will find the Irish rockers taking on trance, metal and Moroccan influences. “Normally when you play a U2 tune, it clears the dance floor. And that may not be true of this. There’s some trance influences,” says Bono, forgetting his band’s own Pop album. “It’s not like anything we’ve ever done before, and we don’t think it sounds like anything anyone else has done either.” According to Bono, guitarist The Edge has “real molten metal” coming from his guitar, and that the band has recorded enough material to fit two CDs.

2009

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/a140783/u2-album-inspired-by-led-zep-jack-white.html

Speaking to Rolling Stone, the guitarist said that he is a big fan of Led Zeppelin's Jimmy Page and recently contributed to the documentary It Might Get Loud with the legendary musician.

"I was just fascinated with seeing how Jimmy played those riffs so simply, and with Jack as well," said The Edge.

The new album is said to include blues rock tracks, with the first single expected to be 'Get On Your Boots'.

Bono commented: "There's some very hardcore guitar coming out of The Edge. Real molten metal."

djmartian, Friday, 16 January 2009 12:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

Please tell me that 'Stand Up Comedy' is a spoken word interlude.

Yehudi Menudo (NickB), Friday, 16 January 2009 13:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

At last Larry gets to shine!

Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Friday, 16 January 2009 13:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

Fez - Being Born - this must be the Moroccan track

djmartian, Friday, 16 January 2009 13:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

Fez

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fes
is the fourth largest city in Morocco, after Casablanca, Rabat and Marrakech with a population of 946,815 (2004 census). It is the capital of the Fès-Boulemane Region.

djmartian, Friday, 16 January 2009 13:05 (nine years ago) Permalink

just like that

djmartian, Friday, 16 January 2009 13:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

Just when I thought our cherished Martian comedy was gone for good, it's back. Incongruous painstaking revival of a U2 thread, with pasted information about North Africa? What next?

the pinefox, Saturday, 17 January 2009 14:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

jesus this album sounds bad. trance blues....shudder.

Local Garda, Saturday, 17 January 2009 14:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

tho haven't u2 always been influenced by trance?? or indeed influencing it? it's no coincidence that Paul Oakenfold used to play "Where The Streets Have No Name" or that that "Take Me To The Skies" above record used the bassline from "With Or Without You"

Local Garda, Saturday, 17 January 2009 14:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

the new single gets premiered on alex zanes xfm show this monday apparently.

uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 17 January 2009 14:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

Once, when I was with my then girlfriend, U2 came on the radio, and I said

I loathe U2

and she said

You loathe me?

GamalielRatsey, Saturday, 17 January 2009 14:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

lol

Local Garda, Saturday, 17 January 2009 14:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

There are bands I love more, but I don't think there's a band I love more that's hated more by people whose opinions I respect.

That said, it took me seeing them live after the last album (my first U2 concert) for me to become a full-on, high-school-era-level believer again.

Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 17 January 2009 20:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

(I.e. back when I wore a "U2 - Boy" t-shirt and my classmates would go "You, too, boy!")

Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 17 January 2009 20:43 (nine years ago) Permalink

So I humbly retract this review:

http://www.citypages.com/2005-01-05/music/sunday-boring-sunday/

Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 17 January 2009 20:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

I like people who are passionate about early U2. Cheers.

Shoegazey Goth Metal Phone (Bimble), Saturday, 17 January 2009 21:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

The U2 effect

http://www.boredrevolution.com/?p=34

Michael B, Thursday, 12 February 2009 15:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

Coldplay, however, released two beautiful records of everyday heartbreak and insecurities

No.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 February 2009 15:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

and they were both singles...

Mark G, Thursday, 12 February 2009 15:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

http://www.spotify.com/go/20090223-u2-excl-preview-guardian

the pinefox, Monday, 23 February 2009 14:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

Coldplay, however, released two beautiful records of everyday heartbreak and insecurities

Fixed!

ilxor, Monday, 23 February 2009 16:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

recent sets: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/u2/2011/angel-stadium-anaheim-ca-63d31217.html
suggest Glastonbury is going to be amazing. they deserve it after so much bile's been aimed at them these last years. people randomly hating on U2's career just because Bono is up his own arse is just the worst criticism of music ever.

DL otm here http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jun/19/u2-headline-glastonbury-debate

"Here's the world's most successful live band moving outside their comfort zone and needing to prove themselves to an audience that could go either way. However it goes down, that should be something to see."

piscesx, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 07:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'm with DL as well.

wondering if this will give them a way to cut back on the excess of the recent glass spider tour, and declare a rediscovered love of back to basics gigs ..

[i mean, surely they are not bringing the spider contraption to G ? ]

mark e, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 07:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'm american, so glastonbury doesn't mean much to me, but DL OTM. few things more tiresome than knee-jerk U2 hate.

And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 07:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

that said, i spent years hating them for the negativland "U2" business, so...

And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 08:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

cant figure out the thread that the recent Achtung Bay docu has been given some love on, so dropping on this one.
tis fascinating to see the band so riddled with doubt during their rattle & hum era.
i would have thought by that stage they had their thing locked down.
and the fact they believed they believed that they didn't have enough material for a stadium (as opposed to arena) shows despite the fact they were several albums into their career.
other than that, its a great watch .. loved the section re the breakdown of bands ("bought out", "snuck out" etc)
so many good quotes ..

mark e, Friday, 14 October 2011 22:23 (six years ago) Permalink

of course : bay = baby

mark e, Friday, 14 October 2011 22:24 (six years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

October is by far the best Christian rock record ever made. In all seriousness, it's an incredibly overlooked record, both in their catalog and overall. (This was brought to light in a recent discussion with a self-professed "huge U2 fan" who had never even heard it.) The urgent, devastating, soaring guitar solo in "Tomorrow"? Edge's guitar work overall? Bono is his usual strident self, but there's a lot less chest-beating than on the overrated War, and the whole band is tighter, more singular, and more focused than on Boy. It's a strange and captivating record, and I wonder if any ILMers have visited it lately.

Clarke B., Wednesday, 17 October 2012 22:56 (five years ago) Permalink

why do I have this thread bookmarked

The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 22:57 (five years ago) Permalink

HE'S WATCHING YOU, DAN.

http://www.john-lee-ministries.org/Bono-Macphisto.jpg

Clarke B., Wednesday, 17 October 2012 22:59 (five years ago) Permalink

anyway OTM re: October

The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:04 (five years ago) Permalink

I think it's a terrific record. But it's their hardest to get a handle on - I think largely down to the flat-yet-echoey production, it's of-its-time in a way that the others aren't, because they all get scooped up into the U2 sound. So while I like it, I'm more likely to consider it in another context, like if I'm thinking about Echo & The Bunnymen rather than U2 (I almost never do this btw).

I don't know if this is why I also find it slightly impenetrable - I know that personally they were wrestling with Christianity, but whether (other than a couple of obvious examples) and how that feeds in lyrically I just don't know. Is it Christian Rock? Is Tomorrow? I'm wary of categorising it as such - for one thing, anything prior to Zooropa seems equally worthy of the term.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:10 (five years ago) Permalink

x-post

I don't think I'll ever fully understand the vitriol spewed at Bono by so many... I mean, I get it: he's pretty douchey, he's pretty self-righteous, fine. But the dude has an amazing voice, and he's not any more over-the-top than so, so, so many other famous vocalists, neither in personality nor in vocal style/presence. I guess I should say that, while I can comprehend the vitriol, I can't inhabit it. I just can't. But that's a blind spot I'm happy to have.

Clarke B., Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:11 (five years ago) Permalink

think of it this way; if Jane's Addiction had released a bazillion albums, Bono would have been supplanted by Perry Farrell a long time ago

The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:14 (five years ago) Permalink

x-post

Ismael, it somehow feels more Xtian to me than anything else by them, but I would never call it "Christian rock"... I mean, there's "Gloria", there's the chorus that goes "Je-RUUUUU-saaa-lem", there's "Rejoice"... I like the production quite a bit; there's a simplicity and dry-ness to it that you don't really hear on any of their other records. You can really hear the individual parts and hear the players interact. Edge's "gentle cascades of fireworks on the horizon" guitar shadings are more implied than so explicitly framed as on The Unforgettable Fire and The Joshua Tree. He sounds more like a very creative, very economical, very distinctive postpunk guitarist; the link between him and Steve Fellows of Comsat Angels is its most explicit on this record.

Clarke B., Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:16 (five years ago) Permalink

Best angle I have on the Bonophobia is that it's a mix of envy and embarrassment. Because when you're young Bono is the guy you want to be, then you grow all cynical and failed in various ways, but he's still that guy - so what else are you going to do but hate?

In breaking Bono news, my sister was passing the famous Bono Vox shop last week, and it's closed down. The sign's still up, but the windows have been boarded over. One of the less-heralded sad days for rock & roll.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:39 (five years ago) Permalink

I actually always wanted to be Edge when I was younger...

Clarke B., Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:42 (five years ago) Permalink

He's the first guitarist I remember registering as "a guitarist I really like"--this was at age, like, 10 or so. Discovering postpunk early in college blew my head right open because all of a sudden here were all of these guitarists who did cool economic angular things like Edge!

Clarke B., Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:43 (five years ago) Permalink

when you're young Bono is the guy you want to be

really?

mookieproof, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:49 (five years ago) Permalink

Best angle I have on the Bonophobia is that it's a mix of envy and embarrassment. Because when you're young Bono is the guy you want to be, then you grow all cynical and failed in various ways, but he's still that guy - so what else are you going to do but hate?

lol what

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:51 (five years ago) Permalink

I so adore psychoanalytic explanations for why we dislike rock star posturing.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:51 (five years ago) Permalink

I don't think I'll ever fully understand the vitriol spewed at Bono by so many...

admittedly this is recent, but I still offer it up as exhibit A:

HAHAHA! OH MY GOD BONO NOOOO SOMEONE MAKE HIM STOP OH THE HUMANITY

sleeve, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:54 (five years ago) Permalink

Bill Flanagan deserves a Nobel Prize for literature for making Bono a probing intellect in U2 At the End of the World, still one of the most intelligent tour biographies extant.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:56 (five years ago) Permalink

Well yeah, he should probably be drawn and quartered for that... I just get the impression that Bonohate among the cognoscenti has been around pretty much as long as the band itself, to the point where it's bascially institutionalized. Why so much hatred in the early days?

Clarke B., Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:57 (five years ago) Permalink

that was an x-post BTW

Clarke B., Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:57 (five years ago) Permalink

The only thing I remember about U2 At the end of the world was this picture and caption:

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_u-zEPWVQP0E/S0Nf1g5Cs6I/AAAAAAAAD9I/3iaDjwEIhm8/s800/lm1.jpg

Larry Mullen, toughest guy in the band

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:58 (five years ago) Permalink

And a chapter about Bono's nautical kleptomania that was too awesome to be true

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:58 (five years ago) Permalink

and swimming nude on Bondi Beach with a waitress they shanghaied.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:59 (five years ago) Permalink

mullen is such a beaver, damn

i dox in yellow gox dox socks (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:59 (five years ago) Permalink

I'm mulling that one over

flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 18 October 2012 00:00 (five years ago) Permalink

Why so much hatred in the early days?

I don't remember any Bono hatred at all in the early (pre-Joshua Tree) days, apart from the stray "Boy, that singer's crazy, climbing up the scaffolding!"-type comment.

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:20 (five years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Holy crap does it bother me when people inexplicably invoke the "U2 was being ironic" line when it comes to talking about "Achtung Baby" and "Zooropa," two of their most heartfelt and honest albums, imo. Like, who listens to "Achtung Baby" and just thinks such a dark record is actually the band being silly, ironic and goofing around?

http://www.avclub.com/article/foo-fighters-taylor-hawkins-why-he-hates-u2s-disco-204670

Seriously, what album was he listening to? I can imagine hearing "Discotheque" and hating it, and yeah, that song is one of the few examples of U2 actually being ironic/silly, but even "Pop" is a pretty dark record. But I totally don't get people who shrug at "Achtung" as some sort of digressive lark.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 May 2014 14:36 (four years ago) Permalink

"I know! Let's ask the Foo Fighters drummer why he hates U2."

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 May 2014 14:38 (four years ago) Permalink

I remember back in the ’90s when the song came out that these talk show guys on KROQ out here in L.A.—Kevin and Bean—they kept going, “Okay, we’re going to play you a little bit of the U2 song. We’re going to play you a little bit of the new U2 song. We can only play a little bit of it and here it is right here. Ready? Okay!” Then they’d play that Rick Astley song [starts singing] “Never gonna give you up / Never gonna let you down!” And then they’d turn it off really quickly and go, “That’s the new U2 song! They’ve changed direction!” And the funny thing is, a couple of weeks before, Tommy Lee had been interviewed so they had a sound bite of Tommy Lee going, “You guys are fags!” So they’d go, “We’re going to play the new U2 song, we’re going to play a little snippet of it. Here it is,” [starts singing] “Never gonna give you up / Never gonna let you down,” then they’d turn it off and you’d just hear Tommy Lee go, “You guys are fags.” And it was so fucking funny, man.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 May 2014 14:40 (four years ago) Permalink

Beat me to it

ha ha ha that sure is a good one

christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 23 May 2014 14:42 (four years ago) Permalink

TH: I remember back in the ’90s when the song came out that these talk show guys on KROQ out here in L.A.—Kevin and Bean—they kept going, “Okay, we’re going to play you a little bit of the U2 song. We’re going to play you a little bit of the new U2 song. We can only play a little bit of it and here it is right here. Ready? Okay!” Then they’d play that Rick Astley song [starts singing] “Never gonna give you up / Never gonna let you down!” And then they’d turn it off really quickly and go, “That’s the new U2 song! They’ve changed direction!” And the funny thing is, a couple of weeks before, Tommy Lee had been interviewed so they had a sound bite of Tommy Lee going, “You guys are fags!” So they’d go, “We’re going to play the new U2 song, we’re going to play a little snippet of it. Here it is,” [starts singing] “Never gonna give you up / Never gonna let you down,” then they’d turn it off and you’d just hear Tommy Lee go, “You guys are fags.” And it was so fucking funny, man.

balls, Friday, 23 May 2014 14:42 (four years ago) Permalink

xpost

balls, Friday, 23 May 2014 14:43 (four years ago) Permalink

'pop' is dope imo.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 23 May 2014 14:43 (four years ago) Permalink

that whole thing may be the dumbest conversation ever transcribed. a post-exodus av club writer talking to the second best drummer in the foo fighters.

balls, Friday, 23 May 2014 14:44 (four years ago) Permalink

next up ask him about vaccines and whether or not HIV causes aids.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 23 May 2014 14:44 (four years ago) Permalink

Ugh, I can't think of a drummer who's more of an utter non-entity than Taylor Hawkins.

Like, who listens to "Achtung Baby" and just thinks such a dark record is actually the band being silly, ironic and goofing around?

This is otm.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 23 May 2014 14:47 (four years ago) Permalink

'pop' is dope imo.

― christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, May 23, 2014 10:43 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^ this. They should've packed it in after Pop, because everything after was strictly snoozeville.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 23 May 2014 14:49 (four years ago) Permalink

"AVC: It feels like both Pop and Achtung Baby were supposed to make listeners think U2 was this fun party band, which they never really were."

featuring such floor fillers as "so cruel" and "wake up dead man"

christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 23 May 2014 14:49 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah but he likes Queen. Those guys were fags. It was so fucking funny, man.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 May 2014 14:50 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm down w their post-pop stuff generally (NLOTH >ATYCLB>>>HTDAAB) but probably the worst thing abt U2 is how they distanced themselves from their most bizarre '90s stuff so quickly.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 23 May 2014 14:51 (four years ago) Permalink

achtung and pop : quite simply, brilliant albums.

i hated, i mean, really hated, u2 before these albums (and bh was even more anti-u2 than me, out of principle !).

however, a friend gave me tix to see the zooropa live show in leeds, and i have never seen anyone totally denouce their previous groove as quickly as bh did that night.

after the gig the band became hq faves ..

i do wish the band would kick that groove again (there is a chance given that the new track was all about the minimal electro drums ?)

mark e, Friday, 23 May 2014 15:43 (four years ago) Permalink

In HateSong, we ask our favorite musicians, writers, comedians, actors, and so forth to expound on the one song they hate most in the world.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 23 May 2014 20:03 (four years ago) Permalink

Kevin and Bean, holy shit, they were (are?) the worst.

tylerw, Friday, 23 May 2014 20:10 (four years ago) Permalink

Taylor Hawkins: Let me start out by saying that I love U2. I really do, especially the first four records. They’re very, very important records. They were super, duper important to me growing as a musician, whether I was 10 or 12 or 14. Boy, October, War, The Unforgettable Fire, and The Joshua Tree, those records, they’re part of my musical DNA and structure.

(Insert Drummer Math Joke Here)

Damnit Janet Weiss & The Riot Grrriel (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 23 May 2014 20:26 (four years ago) Permalink

Achtung Baby is cool and I liked No Line on the Horizon, remember old friend giving me shit for how dad-rawk some of it was though and I have to concede he was right in parts

nova, Friday, 23 May 2014 21:53 (four years ago) Permalink

This HateSong seems like bullshit

Or rather, a mildly diverting idea executed terribly

Master of Treacle, Friday, 23 May 2014 23:28 (four years ago) Permalink

Their panicked backsliding from Pop is so tragic. They were really finding something there, oh well.

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 24 May 2014 00:34 (four years ago) Permalink

The panicked backsiding started with Pop itself. Jettison the U2 anthems, begin with "MOFO," and you got something.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 24 May 2014 00:44 (four years ago) Permalink

This HateSong seems like bullshit

Actually, I've liked a few of those. The Black Lips guy's Lorde one was good, the Black Eyed Peas one was good, the Macklemore one was good (both by comedians, it helps). It's Taylor Hawkins who executes poorly.

http://www.avclub.com/article/bitchface-comedian-joe-mande-why-he-hates-macklemo-202946

http://www.avclub.com/article/eugene-mirman-on-why-the-black-eyed-peas-i-gotta-f-92678

http://www.avclub.com/article/black-lips-cole-alexander-naivete-lordes-royals-202578

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 May 2014 13:47 (four years ago) Permalink

Maybe this was the Macklemore?

http://www.avclub.com/article/al-madrigal-on-why-he-abhors-macklemore-ryan-lewis-98825

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 May 2014 13:53 (four years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

So ... there's a new album out.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 19:18 (three years ago) Permalink

01 The Miracle (of Joey Ramone)
02 Every Breaking Wave
03 California (There Is No End To Love)
04 Song For Someone
05 Iris (Hold Me Close)
06 Volcano
07 Raised By Wolves
08 Cedarwood Road
09 Sleep Like A Baby Tonight
10 This Is Where You Can Reach Me Now
11 The Troubles.

I love this tracklisting so much I almost want to hear the album

da croupier, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 19:21 (three years ago) Permalink

Sounds fine so far.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 19:22 (three years ago) Permalink

Snap reaction: the fact that this is the real Bono and not any of a few dozen not-Bonos is a benefit to an album that's trying (albeit not too hard) to sound like all the bands fronted by not-Bonos.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 19:24 (three years ago) Permalink

1. The Miracle (of Joey Ramone)
Produced by: Danger Mouse, Paul Epworth and Ryan Tedder

1. The Miracle (of Joey Ramone)
Produced by: Danger Mouse, Paul Epworth and Ryan Tedder

1. The Miracle (of Joey Ramone)
Produced by: Danger Mouse, Paul Epworth and Ryan Tedder

1. The Miracle (of Joey Ramone)
Produced by: Danger Mouse, Paul Epworth and Ryan Tedder

1. The Miracle (of Joey Ramone)
Produced by: Danger Mouse, Paul Epworth and Ryan Tedder

da croupier, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 19:25 (three years ago) Permalink

Jesus fucking

famous instagram God (waterface), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 19:26 (three years ago) Permalink

Haha are those really the song titles? Those are great.

tylerw, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 19:26 (three years ago) Permalink

track-by-track at rolling stone

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/u2-songs-of-innocence-surprise-album-guide-20140909

da croupier, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 19:27 (three years ago) Permalink

The amazing song titles on "No Line on the Horizon" are what sparked the ILX precovers concept.

Immediate Follower (NA), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 19:30 (three years ago) Permalink

However "Songs of Innocence" is a terrible album name.

Immediate Follower (NA), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 19:36 (three years ago) Permalink

the next album is called Songs of Experience

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 19:37 (three years ago) Permalink

Sex of Songperience

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 19:40 (three years ago) Permalink

the tedderization of everything is complete

resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 19:43 (three years ago) Permalink

Dongs of Senecense

Liquid Plejades, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 19:46 (three years ago) Permalink

I guess there was a proposed album called Songs of Ascent that was never released?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 20:34 (three years ago) Permalink

Please tell me there isnt a song on this thing called The Troubles

jesus

Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 20:42 (three years ago) Permalink

Not about the IRA! But an earlier song is.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 20:57 (three years ago) Permalink

the mIRAcle (of joey ramone) right?

john wahey (NickB), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:03 (three years ago) Permalink

The Miracle (Of the Troubles)

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:10 (three years ago) Permalink

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2014/09/09/u2-makes-history-offers-new-album-for-free-on-itunes-during-apple-event/

U2′s new album being automatically added to our iTunes library is the most disgusting invasion of personal space by technology in history

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:16 (three years ago) Permalink

the mIRAcle (of joey ramone) right?

lol

everyday sheeple (Michael B), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:18 (three years ago) Permalink

when I got my first Mac in 2001 it came with some songs preloaded, including New Order's "Age of Consent", and I guess Apple did that? so not unprecedented ... though still it's 2010s we're talking about here

Euler, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:30 (three years ago) Permalink

Wait, is this getting downloaded to our computers without us asking for it or do you have to click download to get it in your iTunes?

brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:30 (three years ago) Permalink

You have to click download. (Note: you do not have to click download. No one is forcing you to listen to U2.)

Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:32 (three years ago) Permalink

some folks on twitter exaggerating a bit, and quoted in that Post article

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:33 (three years ago) Permalink

some folks on twitter exaggerating a bit

nothing new to ILX there tbf

nakh is the wintour of our diss content (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:36 (three years ago) Permalink

I remember that my sister's macbook has Nick Cave's 'Into My Arms' preloaded sometime in the early 2000s

wolves at doors: they flan @ u face (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:39 (three years ago) Permalink

Free album? When is Bono gonna come through with some fuckin' free t-shirts, man?

dave matthews' gland (sic), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:39 (three years ago) Permalink

Is there really supposed to be a period after Troubles?

The Troubles.

WTF man

Rand McNulty (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:40 (three years ago) Permalink

That is so fucking precious

Rand McNulty (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:40 (three years ago) Permalink

So everyone who bought a MacBook in the early 2000s was greeted with "I DON'T BELIEVE IN AN INTERVENTIONIST GOD"
xpost

Immediate Follower (NA), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:40 (three years ago) Permalink

Sonic Cathedral @soniccathedral

U2 are already in my music library are they? no they're not *deletes itunes*

http://perfectedpixels.weebly.com/uploads/4/5/9/3/459344/5939044.png

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:43 (three years ago) Permalink

The Miracle (Of Joey From Friends)

Doran, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:46 (three years ago) Permalink

apparently, iTunes was bundled with all of the following songs when first launched in 2001:

Amanda Ghost, Idol
Amanda Ghost, Cellophane
Andreas Johnson, Glorious
Arkarna, Life Is Free
Arkarna, Insecurity
Arkarna, House On Fire
Barenaked Ladies, If I Had A $1,000,000
Barenaked Ladies, Jane
Barenaked Ladies, One Week
Belly, Feed The Tree
Bob James, Raise The Roof
Boney James, All Night Long
Boney James, R.S.V.P.
Brad Mehldau, Madrid
Dave Ralph, Max Graham "Airtight"
Dave Ralph, Tea Freaks "Arms of Orion"
Depeche Mode, Strangelove
Euge Groove, Romeo & Juliet
Holly Palmer, Come Lie With Me
Infected Mushroom, Symphonatic
Joshua Redman, Neverend
Kenny Garrett, G.T.D.S
Kevin Mahogany, Still Swingin'
Lang, K.D., When We Collide
Lang, K.D., Only Love
Larry Carlton, Fingerprints
The Living End, Roll on
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, Into My Arms
Pat Metheny, Follow Me
Pat Metheny, James
Paul Oakenfold, Ascension "Someone" (Slacker Mix)
Penelope Houston, Sweetheart
Penelope Houston, Grand Prix
Phish, Heavy Things
Phish, Sample In A Jar
Phish, Limb By Limb
Randy Newman, The World Isn't Fair
Randy Newman, Can't Keep A Good Man Down
Sasha & John Digweed, Breeder 'Tyrantanic' (Slacker's Kingdom Come Mix)
Submarine, Sunbeam (Deepsky's Desert Sunset Mix)
Total Eclipse, Psychedelic Terrorist
Wilco, Monday
Wilco, A Shot In The Arm
8 Stops 7, Question Everything

wolves at doors: they flan @ u face (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:46 (three years ago) Permalink

A lot of harsh zings of a band that literally every adult has liked at some point in their lives.

Immediate Follower (NA), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:47 (three years ago) Permalink

Is there really supposed to be a period after Troubles?

The Troubles.

WTF man

― Rand McNulty (Jon Lewis)

please god, we'll be living in it soon enough

nakh is the wintour of our diss content (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:47 (three years ago) Permalink

every adult

speaking of exaggerations

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:50 (three years ago) Permalink

Not an exaggeration.

Immediate Follower (NA), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:51 (three years ago) Permalink

xxxxpost a poll that has to happen

Rand McNulty (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:51 (three years ago) Permalink

If you're over 20 years old, you have liked U2 at some point.

Immediate Follower (NA), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:51 (three years ago) Permalink

U2′s new album being automatically added to our iTunes library is the most disgusting invasion of personal space by technology in history

the public should probably sue these fuckers but apparently a lot of the lawyers involved would be pro bono

john wahey (NickB), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:52 (three years ago) Permalink

They should have a hidden track on this called Fuck REM

Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:52 (three years ago) Permalink

If you're over 20 years old, you have liked U2 at some point.

woah sell it to grantland, don't give it away for free

da croupier, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:53 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm trying to think of any other band that I rallied around in the early 80s where I just do not care about a new release any more. REM got there too at the end, but I think I cared about them longer.

Dick Clownload (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:54 (three years ago) Permalink

If you're over 20 years old, you have liked U2 at some point.

― Immediate Follower (NA), Tuesday, September 9, 2014 5:51 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

44 and nope

Rand McNulty (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:54 (three years ago) Permalink

the public should probably sue these fuckers but apparently a lot of the lawyers involved would be pro bono
i'm definitely mullen over some legal action

tylerw, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:55 (three years ago) Permalink

lololol

Rand McNulty (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:56 (three years ago) Permalink

can the latest update of imovie come bundled with the bono tinariwen video?

Rand McNulty (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:57 (three years ago) Permalink

woah sell it to grantland, don't give it away for free

― da croupier, Tuesday, September 9, 2014 3:53 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dying

mattresslessness, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:57 (three years ago) Permalink

If you're over 20 years old, you have liked U2 at some point.

― Immediate Follower (NA), Tuesday, September 9, 2014 5:51 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You've polled everyone in China, Indonesia, Sudan...

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:00 (three years ago) Permalink

the lamest imaginable 20-something year olds in china probably like u2 just as much as the lamest imaginable 20-something year olds in the us do

sleepingbag, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:01 (three years ago) Permalink

David Byrne tracks from something unspeakable called Look Into My Eye or something was already on my pc somehow when i bought it some time in the 90s.

piscesx, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:12 (three years ago) Permalink

likely story

da croupier, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:12 (three years ago) Permalink

haha!

piscesx, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:14 (three years ago) Permalink

"And you may find yourself with tracks from my solo album on your new PC/And you may ask yourself, "How did they get there? My god what have I Done?"

You and Dad's Army? (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:16 (three years ago) Permalink

how could ppl born in 1993 ever possibly have liked U2

dave matthews' gland (sic), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:17 (three years ago) Permalink

^^^ haha A+ (xpost)

Look into the Eyeball is an album by musician David Byrne, released on May 8, 2001. The single "Like Humans Do" was supplied with Windows XP Home Edition operating system to showcase Microsoft's Windows Media Player.[2][3]

Dick Clownload (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:17 (three years ago) Permalink

ah yeah that was it.

piscesx, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:18 (three years ago) Permalink

Eric Harvey pointed this out on twitter

“We were paid,” Bono tells TIME. “I don’t believe in free music. Music is a sacrament.”

sac·ra·ment noun \ˈsa-krə-mənt\
: an important Christian ceremony (such as baptism or marriage)

the Sacrament : the bread and wine that are eaten and drunk during the Christian ceremony of Communion

da croupier, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:20 (three years ago) Permalink

how much is communion these days anyway?

da croupier, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:20 (three years ago) Permalink

still only the one wafer iirc

john wahey (NickB), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:22 (three years ago) Permalink

dud

mattresslessness, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:22 (three years ago) Permalink

at least it wasn't free with the Daily Mail i suppose.

piscesx, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:23 (three years ago) Permalink

i lost steam on the whole bono is damien theory after the spider-man musical and no line on the horizon flopped but if he's saying sacraments should be sold i say

SEE THE OMEGA CODE

da croupier, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:24 (three years ago) Permalink

David Byrne tracks from something unspeakable called Look Into My Eye or something was already on my pc somehow when i bought it some time in the 90s.

This:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uojmgiWfC0

MarkoP, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:26 (three years ago) Permalink

And Weezer and Edie Brickell had music videos come with the original Windows 95 CD.

MarkoP, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:27 (three years ago) Permalink

xxxxpost a poll that has to happen

― Rand McNulty (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, September 9, 2014 2:51 PM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

indeed Best Song Bundled with the original iTunes Launch in 2001

wolves at doors: they flan @ u face (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:36 (three years ago) Permalink

the entry for pop music on the OG encarta cd had a snippet of elvis costello's "pump it up" and maybe one of "the lion sleeps tonight"

adam, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:37 (three years ago) Permalink

And Weezer and Edie Brickell had music videos come with the original Windows 95 CD.

― MarkoP,

man do you know how life changed when I knew I could program my PC bought in January '96 to serenade me with "Buddy Holly"

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:41 (three years ago) Permalink

Soundgarden was on there too - "Nothing To Say"

Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:43 (three years ago) Permalink

There are some OK songs on this new one. Bono's lyrics are pretty bad, but more interesting than Chris Martin bad. There is a block midway through this that would have sounded great with old-U2 production. "Volcano," "Raised by Wolves," "Cedarwood Road," "Sleep Like a Baby Tonight" (this one pretty unusual for U2). They've been burning through today's B-list A-list producers, but probably could have been better prodded by an old-school A-lister like Lillywhite, or just Flood, or someone to counter the drift toward keeping up with the joneses slick.

Interesting: there are a couple of guitar solos on this thing. Remedial, sure - it's the Edge - but there.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 13:18 (three years ago) Permalink

i like a very tiny sampling of u2, mostly boy, after which they generally misunderstood their own importance, until zooropa which is a kind of perfect equation of self-serious and sardonic bono (plus, from the same era, "hold me thrill me").

having said that i listened to this out of morbid curiosity and i... kind of like it? "every breaking wave" has more ideas in it than all of no line on the horizon and the tedder production is indelibly gross and overcalculated but that makes me like it... more? they sound pretty invigorated by it, way moreso than the amnesiac washes of no line. even the songs i don't like take sort of interesting turns i.e. the reported edge "solos" are all pretty great

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 15:04 (three years ago) Permalink

reserving the right to suddenly hate this on second listen

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 15:05 (three years ago) Permalink

The Miracle (of Joey Ramone)

Just thinking about this title, wasn't Joey listening to U2 when he passed away? 'One' iirc

john wahey (NickB), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 15:07 (three years ago) Permalink

"In a Little While."

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 15:12 (three years ago) Permalink

ah, indeed it was:

On the live concert film, Elevation 2001: Live from Boston, Bono introduces the song by explaining it was the last song Joey Ramone heard on his deathbed. He notes his honor of having one of his favorite musicians loving a song of his

john wahey (NickB), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 15:18 (three years ago) Permalink

died as he lived, listening to Bono

Barry Gordy (Neil S), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 15:20 (three years ago) Permalink

Presumably it's explicated elsewhere that he liked it, cos dying while listening to it's pretty ambivalent criticism

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 15:21 (three years ago) Permalink

05 Iris (Hold Me Close)

i just want u2 know who i am

example (crüt), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 15:23 (three years ago) Permalink

If you're over 20 years old, you have liked U2 at some point.

Nope. And i saw them before any of youse - first, maybe second gig they played post -Hype. Shit then, shit now, shit in between.

Fine Toothcomb (sonofstan), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 15:55 (three years ago) Permalink

I am 38 and at one point in my life they were my favorite band ("Joshua Tree" though "Rattle & Hum").

Sort of serious question, are Apple & U2 such tight bros cuz Apple used (uses) Ireland as a tax shelter?

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 17:25 (three years ago) Permalink

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6525315?start=0&tstart=0

turingtest2
Sep 9, 2014 2:48 PM
Re: How do I remove the free U2 album from my iTunes library?

iTunes Store > Quick Links > Purchased. Use All and Not on this computer as you would expect. If you delete the album and hide from iTunes in the Cloud it will disappear from both lists.

Unfortunately, I clicked on the song 'The Troubles' from my iPhone, causing it to download to my phone. Hiding the album within my Cloud does not delete that track. also unfortunately, 'The Troubles' does not show up as a track in my iPhone's Music library, even after syncing, so the track can not be deleted. and the iPhone only lets you 'delete' or swipe-to-delete tracks on playlists. so I now have a U2 track permanently stuck on my iPhone.

even more maddeningly, when I try to side-swipe it, it just plays the track, and there's a click option beneath the track saying 'Show Complete Album' even after I have explicitly jumped through hoops trying to erase all traces of the record from my library.

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 20:29 (three years ago) Permalink

so you're saying this album is musical kudzu

stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 20:34 (three years ago) Permalink

I am reminded of the scene in that Black Mirror episode where the television wall screen pauses the advertisements when you try to close your eyes during them, while playing a friendly reminder that you should open your eyes

I'll bet you anything if I accidentally hit that 'Show Complete Album' link, it restores the whole thing to my library permanently. as in, it shows up again, and when I go back to the Cloud, it's still hidden there so I can't redelete it.

Sorry to U2 fans! I hate it when people show up on a band's thread just to say that they kind of hate the band. But y'know what, there is no other band on that planet that would have the balls to agree to a deal where you weren't allowed to delete their work from your library.

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 20:51 (three years ago) Permalink

oh i wouldn't assume that - most haven't been given the opportunity

da croupier, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 20:54 (three years ago) Permalink

yes

yes you are right

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 20:55 (three years ago) Permalink

i don't really give a shit about u2 anymore and their hits are way overplayed but i do want to point out the brilliance of "lemon", that tune rules

marcos, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 20:58 (three years ago) Permalink

that whole record is great. if they'd kept going with that and Passengers the U2 conversation would be very different today I think.

resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 21:13 (three years ago) Permalink

as it stands wtf is this shit in my iTunes?

resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 21:14 (three years ago) Permalink

Bono's lyrics are pretty bad, but more interesting than Chris Martin bad.
― Josh in Chicago

(xxxxp) I noticed that in the digital booklet all of the lyrics are credited to Bono and The Edge.

ArchCarrier, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 21:22 (three years ago) Permalink

On the live concert film, Elevation 2001: Live from Boston, Bono introduces the song by explaining it was the last song Joey Ramone heard on his deathbed. He notes his honor of having one of his favorite musicians loving a song of his

Loving? It killed him, you egomaniac!

dave matthews' gland (sic), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 22:13 (three years ago) Permalink

you're not fit to trim Bono's whiskers

OutdoorFish, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 22:39 (three years ago) Permalink

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/sasha-frere-jones/u2s-forgettable-fire

sleeve, Thursday, 11 September 2014 14:22 (three years ago) Permalink

I am MAD MAD MAD about this free music that can be removed in seconds.

Your Favorite Album in the Cutout Bin, Thursday, 11 September 2014 14:47 (three years ago) Permalink

"removed in seconds"

example (crüt), Thursday, 11 September 2014 14:56 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah, no shit

sleeve, Thursday, 11 September 2014 14:56 (three years ago) Permalink

http://thequietus.com/articles/16217-bono-u2-songs-of-experience

I like specific angry takedowns like this better than mere lol U2. There are so many reasons to hate the band and Bono more than for the music.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 September 2014 15:21 (three years ago) Permalink

well this album isn't too notable huh

"volcano" is the only memorable one so far

rap steve (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 September 2014 15:39 (three years ago) Permalink

That piece is otm.

xp

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 11 September 2014 15:42 (three years ago) Permalink

well...

Face down on a pillow of shame
There are some girls with a needle trying to spell my name
My body’s not a canvas
My body’s now a toilet wall

rap steve (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 September 2014 15:43 (three years ago) Permalink

Album is fine and forgettable. The last three should have all been EPs. Viva LA Vida was the last great U2 album. I'd blame the producers, but eno and lanois muffed the last one.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 September 2014 15:44 (three years ago) Permalink

Songs of iNonsense

john wahey (NickB), Thursday, 11 September 2014 16:32 (three years ago) Permalink

dying at this 5-star Fricke review

Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 September 2014 16:46 (three years ago) Permalink

a song about imminent eruption, through a propulsive delirium of throaty, striding bass, alien-choral effects and the Edge's rusted-treble jolts of Gang of Four-vintage guitar.

Couldn't read past this. I imagined myself as Skylar White shouting "shut up shut UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP" at Fricke.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 11 September 2014 16:53 (three years ago) Permalink

A FB friend of Mr Veg's wrote "It's their best album since Pop!" to which we were both like, ok that's a REALLY low bar.

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 11 September 2014 17:02 (three years ago) Permalink

that fking California song sounds like it's destined to be in a shitty middle-age Rom-Com within the next 2 years

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 11 September 2014 17:03 (three years ago) Permalink

The teenage Bono once gave her Kraftwerk's The Man-Machine as a gift while they were dating.

"Teenage Bono gave you that record, Adult Bono's gettin' it back!"

You and Dad's Army? (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 11 September 2014 17:06 (three years ago) Permalink

fricke review almost makes this worthwhile

resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 11 September 2014 17:20 (three years ago) Permalink

I thought you guys were kidding about a five-star Fricke review. How'd I fool myself?

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 September 2014 17:25 (three years ago) Permalink

I didn't even want to read the review, but it just popped up in my email box this morning.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 September 2014 17:27 (three years ago) Permalink

your neighbors overheard Fricke whispering, "Hee hee, this'll get Josh."

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 September 2014 17:29 (three years ago) Permalink

have you tried deleting it?

john wahey (NickB), Thursday, 11 September 2014 17:30 (three years ago) Permalink

You can't.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 September 2014 17:30 (three years ago) Permalink

What happened to Danger Mouse? Gorillaz & Gnarls productions were flawed and fun. This is slick and boring.

alanbatman (abanana), Thursday, 11 September 2014 17:30 (three years ago) Permalink

Considering the band has now worked with some 13 or so producers credited on their last three records, I've come to the conclusion that this all might just be the band's fault.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 September 2014 17:34 (three years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG4hOjJ9tEs

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 September 2014 17:34 (three years ago) Permalink

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/u2-songs-of-innocence-20140911

the photo's so perfect - larry looking up confused at the five stars, bono and the edge trying to walk past like they didn't see it, adam oblivious

da croupier, Thursday, 11 September 2014 17:35 (three years ago) Permalink

Just find one of your own. Then shout as hard as you can.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 September 2014 17:37 (three years ago) Permalink

Clickhole should republish that review verbatim.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 11 September 2014 17:38 (three years ago) Permalink

When they release "Songs of Experience" in five years, I bet they retroactively bill half a billion people for their free download of "Songs of Innocence." Plus interest. Everyone will be like, what, I didn't download any U2 album! "Songs of Innocence," I've never heard of ... oh, wait, that thing? I totally forgot about that. My bad, just take my money, I'm sure it was good.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 September 2014 17:52 (three years ago) Permalink

It is a clear-eyed and inspired U2 who crafted Songs of Innocence, an insuperably strong record that in time may well reveal itself to be a classic. World, meet U2, Irish band.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 September 2014 17:54 (three years ago) Permalink

Fricke, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 September 2014 17:58 (three years ago) Permalink

i can hardly read it for all the saliva

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 11 September 2014 17:59 (three years ago) Permalink

A FB friend of Mr Veg's wrote "It's their best album since Pop!" to which we were both like, ok that's a REALLY low bar.

ouch.

i happen to think that POP was their last really good album ..

mark e, Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:09 (three years ago) Permalink

That SFJ post is the glibbest, snarkiest thing I've ever seen from him. It's a weird thing to have on the New Yorker website.

Re-Make/Re-Model, Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:10 (three years ago) Permalink

You think the publisher brought Fricke into the office, poured a couple glasses of whisky, leaned over the table and said "I need you Fricke, I got a bad one here, worst yet, I need the old David Fricke review, I need your magic."

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:24 (three years ago) Permalink

lol

Bitterer than Bitter (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:27 (three years ago) Permalink

bet it's more like "hey dave, new u2 album" "five?" "yup" "cool"

da croupier, Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:27 (three years ago) Permalink

dude might not even bother with the star ratings himself, just pump out the copy and let someone else sweat where on the four-to-five spread this lands

da croupier, Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:30 (three years ago) Permalink

I doubt he even pumps out the copy himself.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:31 (three years ago) Permalink

c'mon it's not a nancy drew novel, it's just seven paragraphs

da croupier, Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:33 (three years ago) Permalink

Pump it out dave

Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:34 (three years ago) Permalink

U2 needs u

Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:34 (three years ago) Permalink

lol chr1sb3singer! bad U2 really brings ILX's funny to the fore.

piscesx, Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:36 (three years ago) Permalink

confession - had to google the ref

da croupier, Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:36 (three years ago) Permalink

Confession (Had to Google the Ref) - lyrics by Bono and the Edge / production by Dangermouse

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:39 (three years ago) Permalink

ok.

forgive the noob (uk vs usa perhaps) groove, but all this inner circle joke thing is going over me.
but is there history between david fricke and u2 ?

i read the review, and even i found the review somewhat over zealous.

[ ftr : as a fan of achtung baby onwards, i think the album is ok. nothing more, nothing less.
hoping a few more listens may reveal its secrets more]

mark e, Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:40 (three years ago) Permalink

i wonder if there was just one guy in the boardroom that went 'uh.. guys.. '. he probably got shouted down left right and centre, and is now pulling his 'what did i tell you?!' face.

piscesx, Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:41 (three years ago) Permalink

^ assuming you're talking about Rolling Stone here

example (crüt), Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:43 (three years ago) Permalink

is there history between david fricke and u2 ?

There's history between David Fricke and five-star bands

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:44 (three years ago) Permalink

ahh.
he has form then.
fair enough.

mark e, Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:44 (three years ago) Permalink

At first listen this has a couple of solid cuts but the rest passed me by, kinda like how to dismantle an atomic bomb ended up for me. I think pop was actually pretty great and no line on the horizon was also really good except for the middle section. I imagine this will grow on me a bit since I generally like their sound but it'll also probably end up with HTDAAB and october and rattle & hum, which are basically the last ones I'd listen to in their discography at this point.

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:46 (three years ago) Permalink

i agree with omar.

mark e, Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:48 (three years ago) Permalink

Carefully!

Bitterer than Bitter (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:51 (three years ago) Permalink

(is how you dismantle an atomic bomb)

Bitterer than Bitter (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:52 (three years ago) Permalink

RS' deal for years has been to give bands they want to do "exclusive" cover stories on a 5-star review -- hence the nutball writeups for the Who's It's Hard and whatever the fuck that Jagger solo thing was.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:53 (three years ago) Permalink

huh, beasties didn't get a cover in 2004. maybe fricke's 5 star of To The 5 Boroughs was a labor of love

da croupier, Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:57 (three years ago) Permalink

I think sometimes RS does it to cover their asses just in case, cf. publishing a 5-star review of The Final Cut on the off chance it took off/Floyd toured that year.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 11 September 2014 20:00 (three years ago) Permalink

same drill as Q in the mid-90s mega-selling era. hence Oasis' BHN getting 5 stars.

piscesx, Thursday, 11 September 2014 20:03 (three years ago) Permalink

To be fair to Fricke he kind of gives 5 star reviews to everything. In his King Crimson live review he stopped just shy of calling the new line-up the greatest rock band that has ever existed.

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 11 September 2014 20:08 (three years ago) Permalink

ahh.
that said, is there anything wrong with loving music to that level.
people who know me IRL know that i flip from genre/band to genre/band on a daily basis declaring the latest groove to be the best ever.
i realise this a shallow take on the art, but so what.
a quick hit of momentary bliss is sometimes all you need to get you through the day to day grind.

mark e, Thursday, 11 September 2014 20:12 (three years ago) Permalink

all this fake surprise that U2 are shit

OutdoorFish, Thursday, 11 September 2014 20:16 (three years ago) Permalink

is there anything wrong with loving music to that level.

It's go nothing to do with love and everything to do with marketing.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 September 2014 20:17 (three years ago) Permalink

how you dismantle an atomic bomb

I thought the answer was practice, practice, practice?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 September 2014 20:19 (three years ago) Permalink

give it five stars

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 September 2014 20:20 (three years ago) Permalink

It's go nothing to do with love and everything to do with marketing.

ahh, such a cynic.

there are times i love my world of innocence and naivety.

(and my bills are paid by the world of marketing software - so i should be more attuned to such darkness !)

mark e, Thursday, 11 September 2014 20:21 (three years ago) Permalink

can't give it away

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/227923/u2s-free-album-downloaded-by-less-than-5-of-users/

piscesx, Thursday, 11 September 2014 20:35 (three years ago) Permalink

Millions of people have U2 and don't even know it. Please: discuss U2 with your children. The more you know ...

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 September 2014 21:15 (three years ago) Permalink

The more you ignore them, the more annoying they get

OutdoorFish, Thursday, 11 September 2014 21:58 (three years ago) Permalink

It should be noted that they are practically at the Bridges To Babylon point in their career.

You and Dad's Army? (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 11 September 2014 22:15 (three years ago) Permalink

with BTB the better album

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 September 2014 22:17 (three years ago) Permalink

Well, yeah.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 September 2014 22:20 (three years ago) Permalink

You'll never unmake a saint of Bono...

You and Dad's Army? (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 11 September 2014 22:21 (three years ago) Permalink

over 20, have never liked U2 - basically because I thought the music was boring. In the 80s, I found them overbearing and WAY TOO MUCH on the radio. After that, I found them one of those brands you simply have no feeling for because, hey, it's a brand. I actually did think it was interesting when they started embracing dance music/electronics, but more in a conceptual way than actually enjoying most of what they did.

Anyway, I won't have to deal with this until I get a new laptop, but I think more disturbing than the fact iTunes would work with U2 like this (which really isn't that surprising, unless the files' undeletability is true), is the 5-star review. I don't read RS, and haven't in a while, but imo that kind of endorsement smacks of a fairly obvious promotional tie-in. Do you believe these people (RS) think they're doing good work, or are they resigned to know all of this is part of the business as a whole, justifying it by saying they are speaking to/for their audience? The remark above about wanting to believe someone really loves music that much -- yeah people actually do love music that much, but considering the reaction from most of the world apart from David Fricke and RS, it's hardly cynical to see something like that as part of a marketing plan.

Dominique, Thursday, 11 September 2014 22:46 (three years ago) Permalink

how do people get themselves into situations where they are plagued by marketing campaigns?

OutdoorFish, Thursday, 11 September 2014 23:10 (three years ago) Permalink

Those still holding regular reviewing gigs.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 September 2014 23:11 (three years ago) Permalink

sounds horrible

OutdoorFish, Thursday, 11 September 2014 23:13 (three years ago) Permalink

This isn't in my iTunes or iPhone yet, what gives?

, Thursday, 11 September 2014 23:18 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm sorry, I haven't really been paying attention and am now skimming. Is this true? Surely not...

have you tried deleting it?

― john wahey (NickB)

You can't.

― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

alpine static, Thursday, 11 September 2014 23:20 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah afaict the best you can do is hide it

resulting post (rogermexico.), Friday, 12 September 2014 00:21 (three years ago) Permalink

no 'soused,' that's for sure. albini should have 'recorded' this

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 12 September 2014 22:32 (three years ago) Permalink

nice, I just saw Negativland a couple of weeks ago and was wondering what their take on this was

sleeve, Saturday, 13 September 2014 03:02 (three years ago) Permalink

http://itunes.com/soi-remove

Barry Gordy (Neil S), Monday, 15 September 2014 20:09 (three years ago) Permalink

http://i.imgur.com/1rpF20H.png

Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 15 September 2014 20:16 (three years ago) Permalink

more like poo poo

ienjoyhotdogs, Monday, 15 September 2014 20:30 (three years ago) Permalink

It should be noted that they are practically at the Bridges To Babylon point in their career.

― You and Dad's Army? (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, September 11, 2014 3:15 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

In purely chronological terms, they're pretty much exactly at that point.

Man, when I tell you she was cool, she was red hot, I mean she was (intheblanks), Monday, 15 September 2014 20:30 (three years ago) Permalink

Bono's as old as Mick was when Bridges to Babylon came out.

Man, when I tell you she was cool, she was red hot, I mean she was (intheblanks), Monday, 15 September 2014 20:31 (three years ago) Permalink

he's aging better.

piscesx, Monday, 15 September 2014 20:46 (three years ago) Permalink

Would love to see U2 enter a neon "Let's Work" period.

the man with the black wigs (Eazy), Monday, 15 September 2014 20:55 (three years ago) Permalink

Fricke's review is the beginning of U2's Doodoo Lounge period:
http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/doodoo-lounge/Content?oid=885084

as this state of affairs continues, reviewers will be forced to make finer and finer distinctions to keep describing records as better than the last one but not as good as Some Girls. Mathematically, this recurring loop can be demonstrated thusly, where Some Girls is given a value of 1, its successor, Emotional Rescue, is arbitrarily assigned half that value, and each succeeding album is assigned half the value of its predecessor plus the total of all the fractions before it:

1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + 1/32 .

While this progression is theoretically infinite, it may eventually strain the bounds of human journalism. It's possible reviewers will eventually agree that some future Stones album is better than Some Girls, and then compare it to the previous watershed, probably Exile on Main St. (As the quotations below demonstrate, this process may have already begun.) Exile will hold for a while, and then even earlier benchmarks (Beggar's Banquet, Aftermath) will be cited and then breeched. Finally, inevitably, England's Newest Hit Makers, the Stones' U.S. debut, will rise and ultimately fall in the face of their extraordinary continuing artistic growth. All of which can only mean one thing: the band's best work is ahead of them.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 15 September 2014 22:10 (three years ago) Permalink

I feel like Eno should devise a series of Oblique Strategies exclusively for U2:

235. "Losing Your Edge"
14. Record in a room filled with money. Then record the sound of just the money. Then delete that recording and burn the money. Then record that.
72. Replace Larry with a machine. Then replace Adam and the Edge with a machine, too. Then replace Bono with a machine, but bring back the real Larry, Edge and Adam.
875. Cut your hair like Macklemore.
65. Wrap it in foil, stick it in the microwave, see what happens.
8777. Record an album in a week.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 00:05 (three years ago) Permalink

I feel like we can replace Eno with an Oblique Strategy.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 00:12 (three years ago) Permalink

Not really bothered about reading his U2 review or even listening to the album, but I'm just wondering... does David Fricke still have that haircut that makes his head look like the shape of the helmet of a penis?

Welcome To (Turrican), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 00:24 (three years ago) Permalink

Would be funny if one of the rhythm section decided to do a Bill Berry at this point. Maybe funnier if they actually carried on

Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 00:25 (three years ago) Permalink

Xpost at least as of a Robyn Hitchcock concert in manhattan a few years back, yes he does still have that haircut

Rand McNulty (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 00:35 (three years ago) Permalink

Fricke looks like a cross between Johnny Ramone and Skeletor.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 00:44 (three years ago) Permalink

http://www.programmingthenation.com/production_stills/David_Fricke.jpg
"Five stars. You're welcome."

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 00:47 (three years ago) Permalink

(To be fair, he always seems like a nice guy, and he's one of the few older critics who still goes out to shows all the time.)

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 00:48 (three years ago) Permalink

Greates Marky Ramone tribute act ever

Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 00:59 (three years ago) Permalink

I dunno. Could also read that as the Greatest Tom Scholz tribute act ever.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 04:36 (three years ago) Permalink

Would be funny if one of the rhythm section decided to do a Bill Berry at this point. Maybe funnier if they actually carried on

― Master of Treacle, Tuesday, September 16, 2014 12:25 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think U2 could quite comfortably carry on if Adam Clayton left. Maybe less so if Larry Mullen left.

Welcome To (Turrican), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 09:01 (three years ago) Permalink

I think at this point they could carry on if they all left.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 13:33 (three years ago) Permalink

"Ladies and Gentlemen, HoloBono and the U2s!"

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 13:42 (three years ago) Permalink

We are all U2, that is why they are called U2.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 13:48 (three years ago) Permalink

this is not "No Line on the Horizon" by U2

Indeed!

Mark G, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 15:20 (three years ago) Permalink

Anyway, I won't have to deal with this until I get a new laptop
― Dominique, Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:46 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^i really love this, the new U2 album as something you're gonna have to man up and face someday, like death and taxes

u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 18:43 (three years ago) Permalink

I thought I'd lost my mind during the 'ba ba barbara, santa barbara' part

Bitterer than Bitter (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 19:26 (three years ago) Permalink

does this album sound weird, or do iTunes files just sound bad?

Bitterer than Bitter (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 19:41 (three years ago) Permalink

so when I download the latest version of itunes this is gonna be in my library?

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 19:49 (three years ago) Permalink

if you download it before Oct 13, yeah. I think so.

Bitterer than Bitter (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 19:52 (three years ago) Permalink

dud

💻 👀 (am0n), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 19:53 (three years ago) Permalink

ughhh it's on my ipod touch

marcos, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 19:55 (three years ago) Permalink

Nelson Muntz should have been on the cover of this album, basically

Bitterer than Bitter (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 19:56 (three years ago) Permalink

You can miss it if you have automatic downloads turned off in iTunes, I think.

Malibu Stasi (WilliamC), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 19:58 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah I don't have that turned on (why would I want anything automatically from iTunes)

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 20:00 (three years ago) Permalink

oh wait, there is a little cloud icon with an arrow, so i think it's in my library but i have to download it to get it? anyways this is so fucking stupid

marcos, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 20:01 (three years ago) Permalink

It's on my wife's iPhone, she's never plugged it in to iTunes or ever synced it. It just appeared on her phone.

nate woolls, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 20:01 (three years ago) Permalink

the album is now part of your default consciousness, and you only need to remember that you've heard it

Bitterer than Bitter (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 20:04 (three years ago) Permalink

My new perspective on this is that U2 is the perfect musical equivalent of Apple, so if you own an Apple product and use iTunes, you deserve to have a new U2 forced on you and are not allowed to complain about it.

Immediate Follower (NA), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 20:08 (three years ago) Permalink

complaining was cool last week. this week, it's cool to listen to the whole album and enjoy it.

Bitterer than Bitter (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 20:13 (three years ago) Permalink

it sounds like it was recorded in a glass bottle, it's so airless/dead sounding

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 20:32 (three years ago) Permalink

complaining was cool last week. this week, it's cool to listen to the whole album and enjoy it.

That, my friend, will never be cool.

OutdoorFish, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 20:57 (three years ago) Permalink

They should have given out Zooropa for free to help the global audience to one last chance to rediscover this gem and thus correct one of the great misjudgements in the history of human art.

the european nikon is here (grauschleier), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 20:59 (three years ago) Permalink

http://www.whoisu2.com

piscesx, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 22:46 (three years ago) Permalink

They should have given out Zooropa for free to help the global audience to one last chance to rediscover this gem and thus correct one of the great misjudgements in the history of human art.

OTFM. It's amazing how many people I know (c. pre-nu-U2) like "everything but 'Zooropa," or got off the boat with "Zooropa." "Zooropa" is amazing. Even "Pop" is mostly good. I think what really bristles about this latest marketing gambit is that U2 is finally so rich and so powerful - which really didn't happen til the post nu-U2 era - that they can do whatever they want, and what they choose is ... whatever it takes to get more.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 00:16 (three years ago) Permalink

As a friend noted:

in the book 'U2 by U2', Bono says of The Unforgettable Fire, the band’s fourth album, “all we had to do was to keep doing what we were doing and we would have become the biggest band since Led Zeppelin.” And though Bono said they were “reapplying for the job of the best band in the world” in 2000 they have often substituted “biggest” for “best.”

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 00:23 (three years ago) Permalink

Didn't realise Morten Harket was into U2 then. Subtle A-ha influence?

Master of Treacle, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 01:00 (three years ago) Permalink

from the Torygraph

The Irish band’s 19-album back catalogue sold 6,744 copies in the last week ...based on data from then Official Charts Company. That compares with 697 sales the previous week. Almost all of the extra sales were digital downloads, with fewer than 60 U2 albums sold on the high street.

piscesx, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 01:26 (three years ago) Permalink

well there is the beautiful day / sun always shines on tv thing so... xp

john wahey (NickB), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 04:50 (three years ago) Permalink

nobody that likes their own music would behave in such a way

OutdoorFish, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 06:27 (three years ago) Permalink

I know that the internet is filled within whining whiners who like to whine but all the complaining about a free album irritated me to no end. (I guess I am whining about this... Whatever.)

I got the album on my computer, listened once and (apparently unlike everyone else) had zero problem making it go away once I realized it was boring and I'd never listen to it again.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 07:26 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah it's kind of incredible. I don't like it but I dunno I'll probably keep it just for shits & giggles

u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 12:54 (three years ago) Permalink

Not feeling the album so much, it's probs my least fave of theirs from what I can tell (disappointing bc NLOTH was really good and has some epic U2 jams) but it's an amazing troll effort.

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 14:16 (three years ago) Permalink

hey look, free albumdog shit i threw into your front window! i think it's a useful case of tech company overreach because the intrusion is more personal. if you don't think tech is monitoring and selling everything it can around "you" to the highest bidder or you're ok with it because oh em gee it's so cool there's nothing to say really. it isn't about the thickness of u2 "the band" that makes "rock music" it's about the truthiness of this band being applied to current "benevolent" consumer ideology which relies on the maxim that you can't be ungrateful for or criticize something if it's free.

mattresslessness, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 15:53 (three years ago) Permalink

Very well put. That is one major aspect why I think it is odd some people find all the upheaval odd.

But the second one is the tech side - or rather, ethical side - of it: Apple showed a complete disrespect to its users personal digital space. Just days after the news broke that dozens of accounts had been compromised and had their private photos stolen, here comes Apple flipping you the finger, saying: "You know what? We can do it the other way around too! We'll put something in your personal cloud, something you didn't ask for, without your consent, and something you can't get rid of! And we'll break it to all our users as if they won the fucking lottery, haha!"

If you don't understand why people take issue with that, then I don't know what to tell you.

ambient yacht god (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 16:15 (three years ago) Permalink

I know that the internet is filled within whining whiners who like to whine but all the complaining about a free album irritated me to no end. (I guess I am whining about this... Whatever.)

It's not a 'free album'. It's an album that is rammed down your throat. A real free album would be: go to apple.com/U2 and click download, and presto, you have a free album! It can only be a free album if you have the choice to grab it or not.
I don't care if people see this as anal or nitpicking. I didn't ask for a fucking U2 album being buried in my iCloud, taking up space, unable (at the time) to get rid of.

ambient yacht god (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 16:17 (three years ago) Permalink

I get shit sent to me or pushed from Apple and a dozen other companies all the time. Apps on my machines, icons that pop up, things that disappear, new OS that supplants the old OS but does a worse job, etc. There are a dozen things I have no control over that Apple (and google and facebook and others) are changing or pushing or adding or taking away all the time. I think of the new U2 album no differently than I think of Apple maps or whatever, just another shitty app I won't use. If Apple really fucked up it's in not forcing people to listen to it from start to finish the first time their new iPhones are booted up.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 16:26 (three years ago) Permalink

For a company struggling to uphold that iCloud is secure to use for your private things, opening it up themselves and shitting a new U2 album in it is the dumbest thing to do. It is not the same as apps who push you stuff about software updates or whatever.

ambient yacht god (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 16:30 (three years ago) Permalink

But aren't google, facebook, apple et al. constantly invading your privacy? Or threatening to? Or doing so without you even knowing it? They all have equally onerous terms of service. They know where you are, they know what you look at on the web, they send you targeted ads, etc.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 16:32 (three years ago) Permalink

I do admit the timing was absolutely terrible, in terms of doing this right after the iCloud was breached (though not hacked, Apple is quick to note!). Would have been perfect if there were Bono nudes in there.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 16:33 (three years ago) Permalink

if facebook automatically friended everyone with bono, would you be okay with that?

john wahey (NickB), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 16:34 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I think Josh in Chicago is otm here in general. But with that said, I feel like it's usually some seemingly random thing that triggers public outrage about long-running, deep-seated issues. So even if it's kind of a trivial tip-of-the-iceberg, I feel like that's usually how these things go.

Man, when I tell you she was cool, she was red hot, I mean she was (intheblanks), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 16:37 (three years ago) Permalink

Bono owns 2.3% of Facebook. We are definitely all his friends.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 16:41 (three years ago) Permalink

it's not really invasion of privacy imo it's reconstitution of it along useful lines, like it was always a fuzzy concept to begin with, maybe important because it helped capitalism to happen, now it needs to be marshalled in a new way that tech is still figuring out how to do palatably, people will go along with it in the name of efficiency relevance and new market economics but when it starts to fuck with their moral emotional aesthetic sense of themselves that's when it goes too far and they get creeped out by this sense of being diffuse and subject to the control of obscure forces as if they ever aren't.

mattresslessness, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 16:55 (three years ago) Permalink

…which is why I can totally see why Apple didn't see this as a dumb move. It's hard to predict the things people will get outraged about, especially when there's all manner of "data-sharing" going on, both at the corporate level but also users willingly sharing their info.

Man, when I tell you she was cool, she was red hot, I mean she was (intheblanks), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 16:57 (three years ago) Permalink

Doesn't seem that hard to me: U2 shows up in my phone shuffle, and I hate them, so fuck you Apple and U2. The fact Apple had to enact a fix just to let me get rid of the songs = album is worse than spam. The thought process that just because it was free means I have no right to complain about it, or even be grateful, is very typical of large corporations. They have an agenda, they push it, they deal with the consequences later (presumably after the money has been made). In this case, it looks like even Apple/U2 knows they screwed up.

Dominique, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 17:04 (three years ago) Permalink

they deal with the consequences later (presumably after the money has been made)

i.e. there are no consequences

mattresslessness, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 17:06 (three years ago) Permalink

i mean there's recalibration sure via the wrong people getting punished.

mattresslessness, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 17:08 (three years ago) Permalink

x-post

from their perspective, none that matter nearly as much -- theoretical consequences like customer satisfaction, reputational loss don't usually stand in the way of big initiatives

Dominique, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 17:10 (three years ago) Permalink

oh my god you guys, U2 are on my spotify!

Bitterer than Bitter (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 17:13 (three years ago) Permalink

NO ESCAPE

sleeve, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 17:15 (three years ago) Permalink

they on my rdio, too!

Bitterer than Bitter (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 17:17 (three years ago) Permalink

they missed a trick IMO by not forcing this onto our devices & computers in Apple Lossless so that ppl who were making out their storage could be really fucked

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mattresslessness, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 18:33 (three years ago) Permalink

How much to not get another U2 album?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 18:43 (three years ago) Permalink

applause xxp

sleeve, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 18:49 (three years ago) Permalink

I knew I bookmarked this thread for a reason

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 18:53 (three years ago) Permalink

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Bitterer than Bitter (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 19:04 (three years ago) Permalink

banaka my house

plax (ico), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 19:20 (three years ago) Permalink

Let's be honest if it wasn't U2 and it wasn't shit even by their shitty standards, it wouldn't have pissed people off half as much.

OutdoorFish, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 20:49 (three years ago) Permalink

Apple are proud to team up with Guns n' Roses

Bitterer than Bitter (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 21:15 (three years ago) Permalink

Dunno. If Vampire Weekend had done this, 95% of the world would have gone 'huh?', but those final five percent would have been FURIOUS.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 21:47 (three years ago) Permalink

I think it would have gone down badly (if not as widely publicized) for any band because you couldn't initially get rid of the files. I think it would have been fine for U2 had they just given users the option of downloading the thing, instead of attaching it to their libraries, borg-style. In a way, they're trailblazers in this, because they taught every other band what NOT to do.

Dominique, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 21:52 (three years ago) Permalink

loving everybody acting like extended family at christmas - "good lord, your nice cloud provider buys you a u2 album and all you can do is complain. you should be nicer to that conglomerate, or maybe next time they won't buy you anything."

da croupier, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 21:57 (three years ago) Permalink

why u hurt apple's feelings

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 21:59 (three years ago) Permalink

They should've force fed the world a new Dr. Dre album. They already bought Dre anyway iirc.

ambient yacht god (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 22:05 (three years ago) Permalink

I thought you could get rid of the files, but you just couldn't get rid of the 'purchased' label?

Bitterer than Bitter (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 22:05 (three years ago) Permalink

They should've force fed the world a new Dr. Dre album. They already bought Dre anyway iirc.

― ambient yacht god (Le Bateau Ivre

nah forget about Dre

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 22:08 (three years ago) Permalink

Show some respect Alfred, he is - after all - still D.R.E.

ambient yacht god (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 22:18 (three years ago) Permalink

re: “it isn’t a big deal—”

Apple isn’t Google or Facebook. 83-92% of Google’s revenue is advertising. Likewise, 88-94% of Facebook’s revenue is advertising. Less than 4% of Apple’s revenue is advertising. You can’t compare Apple with Google and Facebook when discussing privacy issues. They have completely different incentives.

Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 22:36 (three years ago) Permalink

I guess it is now back to Metallica's turn to do something so publicly obnoxious that people find even more reasons to hate the band, since Kiss, Kanye and U2 have had their say for this quarter.

earlnash, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 22:44 (three years ago) Permalink

In other Metallica news, the band recently set a Guinness World Record for touring, earning the distinction of being the first group to play all seven continents. "Seven continents in one year with Antarctica being the gig of a lifetime...." Frontman James Hetfield said in a statement earlier this month. "Yes, 120 scientists and competition winners. Not to mention the 300 very curious penguins!"

da croupier, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 22:57 (three years ago) Permalink

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iRant—

I don’t think it’s a privacy issue. But it was stupid.

My impression is that middle-managers have wrecked Internet Software and Services—the unit behind iTunes and the iTunes Music Store.
While the other teams, Software and Hardware Engineering, exist without management and retain strong engineers, Internet Software and Services hasn’t. Because they’ve been unable to foster a productive engineering culture, product management was introduced. It’s a mess.

Internet Services e.g. the App Store, iTunes and the iTunes Music Store, and Maps, should encourage culture, but they’ve become a wasteland of miss-matched priorities and technology that’s been adopted and abandoned. Apple Pay, iAds, and Messages share resources and priorities—that’s fucked up. And it’s unnecessary.

If Apple spun-out iTunes and the iTunes Music Store from Internet Software and Services, staffed it with engineers who are passionate about the product and music, and treated the unit as an equal to the other three groups, it never would’ve happened. No one would’ve said “Hey, wouldn’t it be cool if we downloaded a new U2 album onto everyone’s Mac, iPhone, and iPad?” It was dumb decision made by people disinterested in their product and especially disinterested in music.

Blah, blah, blah …

Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 23:01 (three years ago) Permalink

LOL. Oops.

Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 23:02 (three years ago) Permalink

nah, otm

imago, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 23:03 (three years ago) Permalink

xxxposts but framing it as a privacy issue and pointing out that one well-dressed Facebook already knows where you're hiding just seems deliberately obtuse.

It's not about "privacy," it's about the illusion of control of my digital living room. Like it's fine if Spotify wants to recommend the shit out of Iggy Azalea but if you drop her into my favorites and make her unremoveable you've gone too far without compromising my privacy in any way.

It's a clumsy overreach on apple's part at a time when the optics on reminding us that the landlord can enter our cloud spaces and rearrange the furniture are particularly poor.

It's lol that it's U2 and whatever but that's really beside the point.

resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 18 September 2014 01:40 (three years ago) Permalink

Apple should really do commercials based on this, just run with it comedically, like you get home from a long day at work and iggy azalea or U2 or biebs or vampire weekend is just chilling in your living room, eating a bag of chips or whatever.

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 18 September 2014 02:29 (three years ago) Permalink

I downloaded the album to my device today. I didn't realize that I was only streaming it before. So apple invaded my digital space with a few 10s of kBs of metadata.

fruit ← ⟨“apple”, “banana”, “orange”⟩ (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 18 September 2014 02:50 (three years ago) Permalink

hey look, free dog shit i threw into your front window!
http://focusmagazine.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/bad-analogy.jpg

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 18 September 2014 02:51 (three years ago) Permalink

Would have made so much more sense to put it on the iTunes store for $0.00.

And yeah, I'm going 100% McLuhan because the medium is definitely dictating this message. If it's just going to be a free iTunes download, why even bother making an effort. Like everyone else, it feels like they procrastinated until the night before and then pulled an all-nighter. World peace or else indeed - sucker.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 18 September 2014 03:18 (three years ago) Permalink

Were the files put on your hard drive?

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 18 September 2014 03:24 (three years ago) Permalink

people must be really pissed when they receive email attachments

fruit ← ⟨“apple”, “banana”, “orange”⟩ (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 18 September 2014 03:45 (three years ago) Permalink

Nope. I was genuinely curious to hear the new U2 album. Too bad that it feels like a b-side comp.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 18 September 2014 03:49 (three years ago) Permalink

'Raised by Wolves' is a jam

fruit ← ⟨“apple”, “banana”, “orange”⟩ (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 18 September 2014 03:53 (three years ago) Permalink

I hate how 'This is Where You Can Reach Me Now' sounds like every Danger Mouse produced track ever, though.

fruit ← ⟨“apple”, “banana”, “orange”⟩ (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 18 September 2014 03:55 (three years ago) Permalink

Oh, great. Now they also want to make their own Pono.

http://time.com/3393297/u2-apple-new-digital-format/

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 September 2014 12:13 (three years ago) Permalink

I love how the final three paragraphs are nothing but a dull financial report with a bit of gloss, but my favorite moment is this pathetic paranthetical:

(It bears repetition: many, many people really, really like U2.)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 September 2014 12:32 (three years ago) Permalink

Oh it turns out it's an audiovisual format. BOUND TO SUCCEED.

http://consequenceofsound.net/2014/09/u2-and-apple-working-on-new-digital-format-that-will-tempt-people-into-buying-music-again/

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 September 2014 13:25 (three years ago) Permalink

I downloaded the album to my device today. I didn't realize that I was only streaming it before. So apple invaded my digital space with a few 10s of kBs of metadata.

It depended on the user’s iTunes Match configuration. It automatically downloaded on my Macs.

― fruit ← ⟨“apple”, “banana”, “orange”⟩ (Sufjan Grafton)

LOL

Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 18 September 2014 13:50 (three years ago) Permalink

speaking of bad analogies:

“It’s like everyone’s vomiting whatever their first impression is,” said Clayton at one point.

katherine, Thursday, 18 September 2014 14:59 (three years ago) Permalink

"Ooh, Betty! Bleurgh!"

Mark G, Thursday, 18 September 2014 15:03 (three years ago) Permalink

oh man just wait until people start vomiting their fully formed opinions
x-post

willem, Thursday, 18 September 2014 15:05 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm in a baja fresh right now that is only playing u2. Is this supposed to be part of the push?

how's life, Thursday, 18 September 2014 15:53 (three years ago) Permalink

The TroubbllLLARGGGHHH

arthur treacher, or the fall of the british empire (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 18 September 2014 16:04 (three years ago) Permalink

just saw their new ad where they rock out to "the miracle of joey ramone" in vibrant colors while images of patti smith and joey and the clash etc appear in their hearts

Everyone who's being obnoxiously zen about any aspect of this campaign needs to go bake themselves a cookie cuz no one's going to give them one

da croupier, Thursday, 18 September 2014 16:05 (three years ago) Permalink

"i for one took in stride when u2 appeared in my itunes" tell apple they'll appreciate it

da croupier, Thursday, 18 September 2014 16:06 (three years ago) Permalink

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxxHCYDIMAEWiLd.jpg

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 September 2014 16:11 (three years ago) Permalink

u gonna get the new U2

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 18 September 2014 16:14 (three years ago) Permalink

was about to vent about how these guys are managing to make the '90s stones look humble and unostentatious but to be fair the stones didn't have the ability to do much more than traipse around the TV and play stadiums, who knows what kind of campaign Bridges to Babylon would have had in our brave new world

da croupier, Thursday, 18 September 2014 16:16 (three years ago) Permalink

the ad in question

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXJz3C12bWs

i was at an extended family gathering back when u2's "vertigo" ipod ad was on tv and some xtian music-loving relatives who knew i was writing rock reviews saw it and said "is this the kind of music you write about?"

can't believe it's been ten years

da croupier, Thursday, 18 September 2014 16:21 (three years ago) Permalink

is this the kind of music you post angrily on the internet about

Οὖτις, Thursday, 18 September 2014 16:23 (three years ago) Permalink

and ¡quatorze! years since "Beautiful Day"

some dude, Thursday, 18 September 2014 16:23 (three years ago) Permalink

I knew some born again xtians in wisconsin who hopped off the U2 train around the time of the achtung baby tour bc shit was getting a bit profane. Macphisto really messed them up. They were all pretty happy with "all that you can't leave behind" tho.

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 18 September 2014 16:25 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah i'm sure these guys would have dug "walk on" or whatever, but "vertigo" was definitely too in-yo-face for them

da croupier, Thursday, 18 September 2014 16:27 (three years ago) Permalink

whether that ad is an "alternative rock is dead" moment or a "u2 dug up alternative rock's corpse, fucked it and left it out in the rain" moment it definitely belongs on the timeline

da croupier, Thursday, 18 September 2014 16:30 (three years ago) Permalink

u gonna get the new U2

― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:14 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

marcos, Thursday, 18 September 2014 16:31 (three years ago) Permalink

My Baja Fresh visit earlier, the playlist included Sunday Bloody Sunday, (something I can't remember), Stuck in a Moment You Can't Get Out Of, One, and then circled back to Sunday Bloody Sunday. I was basically like, "guess I won't stick around and polish off these chips".

how's life, Thursday, 18 September 2014 16:31 (three years ago) Permalink

could just be the manager's ipod classic

da croupier, Thursday, 18 September 2014 16:31 (three years ago) Permalink

I hate how 'This is Where You Can Reach Me Now' sounds like every Danger Mouse produced track ever, though.

― fruit ← ⟨“apple”, “banana”, “orange”⟩ (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:55 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Is this the one that sounds exactly like "Come Undone"?

Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, 18 September 2014 16:49 (three years ago) Permalink

who invented the phrase 'Raised By Wolves'? feels like it must have been Izzard in that sketch from around 1992/93. i know it's been the name of a Caitlin Moran-penned TV series since then too but i assumed she was just nicking it from him.

piscesx, Thursday, 18 September 2014 17:08 (three years ago) Permalink

xp I don't think so. it's the one with the theremin synth that danger man puts on every album he produces

fruit ← ⟨“apple”, “banana”, “orange”⟩ (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 18 September 2014 17:12 (three years ago) Permalink

it kinda sounds like the black keys

fruit ← ⟨“apple”, “banana”, “orange”⟩ (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 18 September 2014 17:14 (three years ago) Permalink

feels like it must have been Izzard in that sketch from around 1992/93

this phrase is super old

Οὖτις, Thursday, 18 September 2014 17:16 (three years ago) Permalink

who invented the phrase 'Raised By Wolves'? feels like it must have been Izzard in that sketch from around 1992/93. i know it's been the name of a Caitlin Moran-penned TV series since then too but i assumed she was just nicking it from him.

can't tell if serious

resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 18 September 2014 17:16 (three years ago) Permalink

that U2 ad pisses old people off...kinda like Joey Ramone. I see what they're doing.

fruit ← ⟨“apple”, “banana”, “orange”⟩ (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 18 September 2014 17:25 (three years ago) Permalink

oh yeah i'm sure the kids love it

da croupier, Thursday, 18 September 2014 17:52 (three years ago) Permalink

Another hour, another PR victory!

“The punk rock thing to do is annoy people and get in their faces...If people have a problem with the way we released the album, I’m sure they’ve read about it online.”

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 September 2014 18:16 (three years ago) Permalink

fuckin step up and take a swing at bono! he's in u face! he wants you to (U2)!

fruit ← ⟨“apple”, “banana”, “orange”⟩ (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 18 September 2014 18:18 (three years ago) Permalink

all up in yo shit, the fly in your free ointment, he's almost as punk as google+

da croupier, Thursday, 18 September 2014 18:25 (three years ago) Permalink

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romulus_and_Remus

rushomancy, Thursday, 18 September 2014 20:20 (three years ago) Permalink

Prepare to buy the White Album... Again

ambient yacht god (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 18 September 2014 22:09 (three years ago) Permalink

marie antoinette was so punk rock

ILX preorders SPYRO for Playstation (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 19 September 2014 00:40 (three years ago) Permalink

'let them listen to cake!' she said, and then everyone had 'The Distance' on their phones.

ILX preorders SPYRO for Playstation (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 19 September 2014 00:41 (three years ago) Permalink

'california, i've seen for myself, there's no end to Greece' - Bono predicts to the rest of the board in California that Greece will remain solvent

ILX preorders SPYRO for Playstation (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 19 September 2014 02:00 (three years ago) Permalink

No, it's "Grease", it'll be a school production staple for ever!

(full disclosure, Alice has auditioned, will report back)

Mark G, Friday, 19 September 2014 08:56 (three years ago) Permalink

"California" keeps getting stuck in my head and then turning into Prefab Sprout's "Cars and Girls"

goodoldneon, Saturday, 20 September 2014 15:35 (three years ago) Permalink

http://la.curbed.com/archives/2014/09/u2s_the_edge_could_be_allowed_to_build_fivemansion_clifftop_compound_in_malibu_1.php

One thing we know about U2 in 204 is that they do not care what anyone else wants. They do not care if you want their album, they are going to make you have it, and guitarist The Edge does not care if you want his mansion development on your untouched coastal land, he is going to do whatever it takes to build it. The Edge, aka David Evans, has been trying to build five "eco-friendly" houses—including one for himself—off of Sweetwater Mesa Road in the Santa Monica Mountains since 2006 and, after years of kinda-shady machinations, has gotten the support of the California Coastal Commission staff (they've recommended the CCC approve the project at its meeting in early October, with a few changes).

The Edge submitted plans for the five houses separately, under separate names, which CCC staff originally took as an attempt to skirt environmental rules, according to the LA Times. They also found that the project "would scar a steep, undeveloped ridgeline visible from much of the coastline, cause extensive geological disturbance and destroy environmentally sensitive native vegetation." A few months later, the Santa Monica Mountains Conservancy suddenly switched their stance on the development from con to neutral after The Edge gave them $750,000 in cash, $250,000 worth of work by a consultant, and 97 acres of land for conservation. Then, in 2012, The Edge's "extensive team" started lobbying for a pro-development, anti-environment state bill that would've helped clear the way for the project. After passing the Assembly, it was rejected by the Senate.

Finally The Edge tried just making the plans more acceptable. Following a year of negotiations with the CCC, the path has been clearcut for a modified version of the 151-acre development; the size has been slightly reduced and plans call for less grading of the hillside; some of the houses are also shorter and together they'll be placed lower on the ridge, so they won't be as visible from below. The five houses range from 8,786 to 14,980 square feet and would be accompanied by a new 20-foot-wide access road.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 05:03 (three years ago) Permalink

the edge on the ledge

ILX preorders SPYRO for Playstation (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 05:29 (three years ago) Permalink

blueprint of the tunnels underneath the five houses:

http://www.lds-temple.net/6a00ccff9823bf6ea501101675fe6c860d-500pi.png

da croupier, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 06:00 (three years ago) Permalink

My Baja Fresh visit earlier, the playlist included Sunday Bloody Sunday, (something I can't remember), Stuck in a Moment You Can't Get Out Of, One, and then circled back to Sunday Bloody Sunday. I was basically like, "guess I won't stick around and polish off these chips".

― how's life, Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:31 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

always go for the chips first, the salsa bar's better than the burritos anyway

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 06:15 (three years ago) Permalink

anyway yeah i have no idea how i didn't want to punch them all in the nuts and also the face many many many times in 2002 or whenever the atom bomb album came out. i was 14 and totally into select 80s singles but still, they're essentially the same band now but they've become literally the most punchable group of human beings in existence. whatever they were in the 80s when they had mullets, they're different now, they're inhabited by some other species, i don't wanna say aliens or demons or ghosts or w/e because that's all way too nice, i really need to convey that they are constructed from some sort of compounded anal leakage or like a combination of things used in the second round of fear factor. just seeing bono's face trying to squirm out of his head makes me fearful. how did i ever not want to punch them? but i'm scared.

i still don't know what the other two guys look like

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 06:21 (three years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

"art"

definite classic, predicting a solid 8/10 from the p-fork boys (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 12 October 2014 19:25 (three years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

I've liked waaaaay more from this band than I have ever liked, but this image makes me hate everything about them retroactively:

http://cdn.u2.com/non_secure/images/20150201/news/ie_bed_logo_9002/large.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 04:18 (three years ago) Permalink

Who's the dude on the left?

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 04:35 (three years ago) Permalink

beaker

don't ask me why i posted this (electricsound), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 05:39 (three years ago) Permalink

no it's ridge from Bold & the Beautiful iirc

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 05:40 (three years ago) Permalink

Classic, for their heavy influence on Minor Threat

Poliopolice, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 08:12 (three years ago) Permalink

ghastly though that image is, it's somehow nice to have it confirmed that the edge even wears his hat in bed

let me be your fan taytay (NickB), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 09:53 (three years ago) Permalink

jim jarmusch looking kinda sheepish on the left there

bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 09:56 (three years ago) Permalink

Didn't know Michael Des Barres had joined up

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 09:59 (three years ago) Permalink

Kevin Bacon in there on the left, too, closing the circle even tighter.

Love how these are lifelong pals, parents, bandmates, and yet in the photo they look awkwardly arranged like adolescent boys, tilting this way and that so as not to accidentally touch one another and turn gay. The Edge is doing that trademark immature kid "my head is over here but my butt is wayyy over there, thankyouverymuch" pose.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 14:29 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm surprised they're not posed head to toe to avoid gay contamination.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 14:31 (three years ago) Permalink

The amount of plastic surgery in the photo is horrifying

Poliopolice, Thursday, 5 February 2015 06:53 (three years ago) Permalink

Larry, I think it's time we had a talk about buttons on shirts and what they do

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 February 2015 15:25 (three years ago) Permalink

aka, Bernard Sumner visits Ian Curtis's grave in 1981.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 February 2015 16:05 (three years ago) Permalink

LOL if that was what Curtis's grave looked like.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 February 2015 16:06 (three years ago) Permalink

Give it time.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 February 2015 16:08 (three years ago) Permalink

does he have a walkie talkie up his ass

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 February 2015 16:09 (three years ago) Permalink

eheh, Clayton looks like a mix between jarmush, jim carrey and southpark (edge has a southpark vibe too).
great wtf pic anyway !

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 5 February 2015 16:17 (three years ago) Permalink

too much perspective

Ratt in Mi Kitchen (Neil S), Thursday, 5 February 2015 16:23 (three years ago) Permalink

I wonder how this picture got the OK from all the parties involved !

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 5 February 2015 16:25 (three years ago) Permalink

too much perspective

― Ratt in Mi Kitchen (Neil S), Thursday, February 5, 2015 10:23 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol top 10 line in cinema history imo

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 5 February 2015 19:15 (three years ago) Permalink

so weird that college students today must see these guys the way i saw bridges to babylon-era stones.

da croupier, Thursday, 5 February 2015 19:33 (three years ago) Permalink

with dangermouse as the dust brothers

da croupier, Thursday, 5 February 2015 19:34 (three years ago) Permalink

I pretty much see U2 that way now.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 5 February 2015 19:54 (three years ago) Permalink

still would love to see them from a relative distance later this year, but i doubt i will make the early wake up call tomorrow required to get the seats of interest.

mark e, Thursday, 5 February 2015 20:14 (three years ago) Permalink

Larry and Adam both look so incredibly Weekend At Bernie's that I'm questioning if they really did die last year & I forgot

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 6 February 2015 02:21 (three years ago) Permalink

i got tix to see these old chaps in a couple months. good to see bono's upper body is unbroken enough that he can sing. i actually like the new album a lot. shame abt the release though.

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Friday, 6 February 2015 02:35 (three years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

U2 played a KROQ show at the World Famous Roxy on Sunset last night.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-u2-500-fans-roxy-20150529-story.html

By Gerrick D. Kennedy contact the reporter

http://www.trbimg.com/img-5568bdec/turbine/u2-rare-club/1550/1550x872

U2's hottest ticket wasn't the Forum, it was at the tiny Roxy Theatre

“I’ve got to catch my breath,” Bono said after ripping through “Vertigo” during U2’s tiny club gig at the Roxy Theatre in West Hollywood on Thursday night.

It was a rare break in the tight, hourlong show, and the frontman had rightfully earned his brief reprieve.

In the 45 minutes leading to this moment, the superstar Irish rockers had already moved through an exhilarating set that saw the band rip through some of their earliest tunes and a few of their defining smashes for just 500 fans.

With Thursday’s show, U2 were making good on their promise to make up for pulling out of KROQ’s Almost Acoustic Christmas in December after its frontman was injured in a bike accident weeks before.

The special show -- tickets were given to contest winners -- came during a whirlwind week for the rock band.

U2’s latest high-tech, high-concept spectacle, the Innocence + Experience Tour, launched a five-night stint at the Forum on Tuesday and the band’s longtime tour manager Dennis Sheehan died of a massive heart attack in L.A. the morning after its first Forum gig.

Tursday’s show was as much about looking back and thrilling fans with a once-in-a-lifetime experience as it was about paying tribute to their fallen comrade.

Opening with “The Ocean” from its 1980 debut “Boy,” Bono & Co. leaned heavily on older cuts -- and the crowd, literally -- for the show.

Thurday's show was crafted for diehard fans. (A few outside the venue even attempted to trade Forum tickets for a wristband.) The bulk of the material came from their debut and 2000's "All That You Can't Leave Behind," with their massive albums "The Joshua Tree" and "Achtung Baby" getting completely overlooked.

While their arena set is a sophisticated wonderland of sprawling catwalks and video screens the size of billboards, their no frills set-up at the Roxy delivered passion, intimacy and energy that no major arena could manage to capture.

When Bono – sporting his signature blue-tinted shades and a black leather motorcycle jacket – dug into the band’s second-ever single, “11 O’Clock Tick Tock,” he leaned into the swath of crowd that hugged the stage as if he was prepping a stage dive.

And that intimacy never waned.

At one point Bono, face aglow from a handful of smartphones pointed only inches from his chiseled face, grabbed a fan’s hand for balance as he climbed atop a speaker.

He used the speaker as a soapbox for a thrashing take of “The Electric Co.” Later in the show he felt comfortable enough to do a trust-fall into the crowd.

Although Bono has pulled fans onstage for years, this time when he hoisted up an adoring fan and put his arms around her to sing “Beautiful Day,” it was easy in this environment to feel like you were in her place.

At one point, the frontman took a gulp of water and hurled it from his mouth, then flung the entire bottle, droplets of water sprinkling throughout the crowd as it soared (something only the first few rows at an arena might be lucky enough to experience).

“I’m out of my mind right now, I’ve loved them since high school," one ecstatic fan told me as he jumped up and down. "I’m 50 and I haven’t heard some of these songs live in years.”

Despite the heady flow of dizzying energy, there were moments where Bono managed to still the crowd.

First he dedicated the heavy “Stuck in a Moment You Can’t Get Out Of,” inspired by late friend and fellow rocker Michael Hutchence, to Sheehan.

“You fight with your friends. You love your friends. You die for your friends. You work with your friends. It’s kind of a dysfunctional family in U2,” he explained, “but actually quite functional in other ways, because we do look after each other.

“You can sense the love and best wishes we had the last 24 hours, from all over the world,” Bono said later, both thanking the crowd and eulogizing his friend. “[Dennis] actually had the dignity that our music aspires to ... He had that dignity.”

The stage lights dimmed to a deep red as the boys fired up an electrifying version of “Sunday Bloody Sunday” in Sheehan’s honor. The band fed off the crowd’s hard jumping as the Edge, seemingly saving extra fire for the moment, unleashed his most intense guitar solo of the evening.

At the close of their set, Bono recounted the group’s first trip to Los Angeles, which included a visit to Zuma Beach in search of Beach Boys’ leader Brian Wilson’s house. One of the band's albums was in the room at their first rehearsal, he explained, and they believed Wilson “had the music of the spheres.” (Whatever that means.) The story set the tone for “California (There Is No End to Love),” one of two songs they performed from their most recent record “Songs of Innocence.”

“It’s another song about grief and the defiance that is the joy of rock and roll,” Bono explained before thanking the crowd and leading them through yet another sing-along.

Set list:

The Ocean

11 O’Clock Tick Tock

I Will Follow

The Electric Co.

Beautiful Day

Elevation

Stuck in a Moment You Can’t Get Out Of

Sunday Bloody Sunday

Out of Control/Iris (Hold Me Close)

Vertigo

Song for Someone

California (There Is No End to Love)/God Only Knows

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the future is now, Saturday, 30 May 2015 03:24 (three years ago) Permalink

idgi

probs with the skag (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 30 May 2015 12:12 (three years ago) Permalink

Odd set list. No Achtung Baby or Joshua Tree tracks.

tayto fan (Michael B), Saturday, 30 May 2015 13:15 (three years ago) Permalink

didn't really need the entire review to make that point

probs with the skag (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 30 May 2015 14:36 (three years ago) Permalink

during U2’s tiny club gig

"tiny"

( who ALSO my boss and his sister!) (sic), Saturday, 30 May 2015 17:57 (three years ago) Permalink

Please U2, go away

calstars, Saturday, 30 May 2015 18:06 (three years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Even people I know who don't particularly like the band have had nothing but good things to say about the current tour.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 June 2015 14:58 (three years ago) Permalink

Ladies and gentlemen: the Rolling Stones!

resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 25 June 2015 16:21 (three years ago) Permalink

Tbh I don't trust the opinion of people who aren't U2 fans but still see U2 shows

da croupier, Thursday, 25 June 2015 16:30 (three years ago) Permalink

like music critics you mean?

feargal czukay (NickB), Thursday, 25 June 2015 16:32 (three years ago) Permalink

Roadies

holger sharkey (Tom D.), Thursday, 25 June 2015 16:33 (three years ago) Permalink

hot dog sellers

da croupier, Thursday, 25 June 2015 16:34 (three years ago) Permalink

a more diplomatic statement i could have made is "i am intrigued that people who don't particularly like U2 are seeing them on this tour, and would be curious to know the circumstances of their attendance"

da croupier, Thursday, 25 June 2015 16:36 (three years ago) Permalink

U2 are arguably underdogs on this tour, post iTunes fiasco, Bono held together by metal pins. They seem vulnerable, which makes them a little more likeable.

dinnerboat, Thursday, 25 June 2015 16:51 (three years ago) Permalink

The pathos of Bono with his diamond encrusted neck bolt that stops his noble head from wobbling off his millionaire's shoulders.

feargal czukay (NickB), Thursday, 25 June 2015 16:55 (three years ago) Permalink

best thing, and its not rly close run tbh, about u2 are the ppl who make a point of disliking them

irl lol (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 June 2015 17:07 (three years ago) Permalink

DeRo, no huge fan of the band/arena shows in general, raved about last night. And Kot, a longtime Bono foil (great recent interview he did with him), loved it, too. From the clips I've seen, looks almost like a high tech show and less a concert, per se. Special sound, staging, etc., but supposedly the band itself is at its most just four guys making music in some time, too. Which seems like a contradiction, but who knows.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 June 2015 19:55 (three years ago) Permalink

the band itself is at its most just four guys making music in some time

You see, this is where you lost me.

holger sharkey (Tom D.), Thursday, 25 June 2015 19:58 (three years ago) Permalink

Bummed to learn "people I know" meant dero and kot, was rooting for it being the significant other of a fan or a hot dog seller

da croupier, Thursday, 25 June 2015 20:01 (three years ago) Permalink

Eh, I can name some people I know you don't know, too. Like my cousin Mike.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 June 2015 21:29 (three years ago) Permalink

Also my friends Linda and Jon.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 June 2015 21:29 (three years ago) Permalink

Though music critics are people too, at least some of them.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 June 2015 21:31 (three years ago) Permalink

DeRo is actually a muppet

Οὖτις, Thursday, 25 June 2015 21:33 (three years ago) Permalink

stuck in a concert (that you can't get out of)

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 June 2015 21:35 (three years ago) Permalink

The Muppets haven't released a good album since Pink Flag. Now they're old and rich.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 June 2015 21:36 (three years ago) Permalink

why did mike, linda and jon see u2 if they're not fans? not to pry, but you brought it up

da croupier, Thursday, 25 June 2015 21:49 (three years ago) Permalink

Possibly in the hope that it might be Bono's turn to fall off the stage?

holger sharkey (Tom D.), Thursday, 25 June 2015 22:02 (three years ago) Permalink

perhaps an inheritance based challenge by Mike's late great uncle impelled Mike to treat Linda and Jon to the most expensive concert of their lives?

mad maxwell's wasteland death suite (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 25 June 2015 22:13 (three years ago) Permalink

Ha. I never said they were not fans, but I admit I exaggerated their disinterest. They're fans, for sure, and I can't imagine them not going if they could. But I think like a lot of U2 fans, even though they have always gone to see the shows, they have not always been huge fans of everything the band has done, either albums or tours. Yet their take away following the first night here at least was it far exceeded expectations, and that they left the show with a greater appreciation for the most recent album, which supposedly dominates the show. And they said it looked pretty cool, too. So there's that.

I also know a couple of people in my boat who, yeah, can't really justify paying. I'd like to go; while the band has never been my numero uno, they were the first concert I ever saw and I've seen them be great before. But I'll be fucked if I'm going to pay $100 for a ticket that lets me hang from the United Center rafters.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 June 2015 23:13 (three years ago) Permalink

i kind of don't think any concert is worth $100. i mean wtf is that shit.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 25 June 2015 23:14 (three years ago) Permalink

Ha. I never said they were not fans, but I admit I exaggerated their disinterest.

You called them "people I know who don't particularly like the band" you two-faced liar mcliarman, you macphisto

da croupier, Thursday, 25 June 2015 23:20 (three years ago) Permalink

the reason i've kept needling is i knew that first post was bullshit and i couldn't figure out why anyone would make up such an absurd story. the idea of people who don't like u2 seeing a new u2 show and liking it, what balderdash.

da croupier, Thursday, 25 June 2015 23:22 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah, Macphisto Macmea Culpa. Though to be fair, DeRogatis is a hard dude to please when a big target like this is served up (food metaphor!). Even if he liked it he would pretend he didn't, so I was honestly shocked he raved.

xpost I dunno, it's a lot of money, but I think some shows might be worth that, if there's a real degree of Broadway-style spectacle. But yeah, that's a lot to ask, for nosebleeds especially. I think the way these bands often do it these days is offer a bunch of GA seats early to fans at a lower, or at least <$100 price, so the diehards can do their thing without going broke. I also think bands like U2 inspire a silly level of dedication in their fans, who are also getting older and, I'm going to guess, don't hit three clubs a night in search of the next U2, and can maybe justify paying plane ticket prices to see them.

I'd love to know the economics of these bands, why they choose the prices they do, or what the minimum price could be to pay for the spectacle and expenses and still come away making a ton of cash. The word has always been that until the era of nu-U2, the band lost a lot of money on tour, but that doesn't justify desperately filling their coffers to make up for past mistakes. Broke Leonard Cohen out of the Buddhist retreat this band is not.

I just bought some tix to see the Mekons next month, and I thought the price was pretty high at $25. But that's in a small place, and they're also playing a big public park for less than that to get in.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 June 2015 23:25 (three years ago) Permalink

i assume aging arena bands charge an arm and a leg because they can

da croupier, Thursday, 25 June 2015 23:29 (three years ago) Permalink

You know what is fun, though? Taking people to shows who claim they don't like the music! I took a friend to see Morrissey some years back, and all he knew was the second-hand "oh, whiny, wimpy, woe is me" reputation, but he left impressed. Likewise taking someone to see Rush who grew up slotting them in with Styx and REO. He left impressed, too. So it does happen, sometimes, even if it happens under duress. I recently took a friend to see Slowdive and Low, neither of which he had ever heard of, let alone heard, and he was blown away. It's nice to see some honest enthusiasm, which is actually what I often like about arena shows, people losing their shit at every pre-tested bit.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 June 2015 23:31 (three years ago) Permalink

For what it's worth, I don't see the point of paying that much for a ticket when I can watch The Edge fall off the stage from the comfort of my own home.

You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Thursday, 25 June 2015 23:34 (three years ago) Permalink

There's no price too high for that, imo.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 June 2015 23:38 (three years ago) Permalink

i don't see the point of taking people who claim they don't like the music to concerts when i can just pretend i did

da croupier, Thursday, 25 June 2015 23:39 (three years ago) Permalink

I'd love to know the economics of these bands, why they choose the prices they do,

Supposedly, because he hates touring, Charlie Watts asks for a ridiculous guarantee in the hopes that it can't/won't be met. "Yeah, I'll do the tour...if you pay me $10 million!" His bluff is always called, which is at least one reason (among presumably many) Stones ticket prices are insane.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 25 June 2015 23:53 (three years ago) Permalink

xpost Because under the guise of a semi-pro, I often have two tickets and invite along whatever buddies can make it.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 June 2015 00:16 (three years ago) Permalink

xpost:

Oh right, so not only is he a ropey drummer, he's partially responsible for milking the wallets of his fans. Great stuff.

You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Friday, 26 June 2015 00:46 (three years ago) Permalink

I hear Mick tours to support his extensive money collection.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 June 2015 01:19 (three years ago) Permalink

I remember John Lennon laying into The Rolling Stones in his Playboy interview from 1980 for staying together for as long as they had, and that was 35 years ago now. If Lennon had lived, I wonder what he'd think about them still being together!

You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Friday, 26 June 2015 01:35 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm sure it'd be a regular subject on his podcast until his teary interview with jagger.

da croupier, Friday, 26 June 2015 01:39 (three years ago) Permalink

After the Beatles' 1979 Get Back reunion album/tour debacle, Lennon didn't have a leg to stand on criticizing the Stones.

http://alexbledsoe.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/shipper04.jpg

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 26 June 2015 03:11 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but that was the era of the band that only featured John, though Ringo did sit in on a few dates.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 June 2015 11:43 (three years ago) Permalink

Big arena spectacles rule. I would always go see U2, I love the huge stage stuff so much.

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 5 July 2015 13:33 (three years ago) Permalink

"supposedly the band itself is at its most just four guys making music".

This is more or less related to one thing that I've always found the weirdest of seeing U2 live. With most stadium acts, it's usually them in those huge stages they use, filling them with a sizeable number of musicians/collaborators: you've got the E-Street band with their huge roster, Madonna with all those dancers or the Stones outnumbered by their dozen choir girls and their wind sections. U2 couldn't be more different in this aspect: it's just the four of them alone in the middle of those gargantuan stages, singlehandedly carrying these shows. It especially hits me when they play "New Years Day" and you see the Edge pulling his guitar aside to play the keyboards, because they don't even have a keyboardist with them on stage.

cpl593H, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 13:00 (three years ago) Permalink

https://www.iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,1531542,1531569

29 facepalms, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 13:05 (three years ago) Permalink

^ They have extra musicians under the stage generally.

29 facepalms, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 13:06 (three years ago) Permalink

i think it's just an extra keyboardist on some few songs and mostly triggered loops and samples

ufo, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 13:13 (three years ago) Permalink

Pretty sure I saw a documentary with an extra guitarist too, cant find it on youtube.

29 facepalms, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 13:17 (three years ago) Permalink

I listened to an in-ear-monitor intecept bootleg of one of their shows once, it was the Edge's headset and it was full of count in's and other directions, if those guys need all that just to be able to remember their boring music they must be dummies.

MaresNest, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:09 (three years ago) Permalink

dunno if I'd say U2 are the dummies in that scenario

Number None, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:15 (three years ago) Permalink

Not remembering U2 songs feels like a p good survival strategy for being in U2 for 30 odd years

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:15 (three years ago) Permalink

This is Bono's in-ear monitor from a 2010 show:
https://youtu.be/1KWgayvG52c

I don't really understand it. He wrote the song, he sings the song frequently; is it really necessary to have someone saying "verse...1,2,3,4" to come in at the right time?

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:21 (three years ago) Permalink

Zoo TV live broadcast showed a bunch of guitarists and a keyboardist or two under the stage.

let no-one live rent free in your butt (sic), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:22 (three years ago) Permalink

Here's one from Edge's iem:
https://youtu.be/vYt0LKuL2Po

I'd think it would be insanely distracting to hear "EDGE 2, 3, 4" and "SOLO 2, 3, 4." Maybe everything is so tightly cued to the visuals that even the slightest deviation (or a spontaneous "Hey guys, let's drag this intro out another 4 bars so Bono can prattle on about something") could throw everything off?

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:24 (three years ago) Permalink

The drummer plays to a tight click, what else is required? (is kinda my point, I guess)

MaresNest, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:30 (three years ago) Permalink

Can't find an IEM feed of Adam's, perhaps it's just the cash register loop from Money

MaresNest, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:33 (three years ago) Permalink

Ha.

I imagine all the guitar delay alone makes in-ear count-offs and the like pretty important. Factor in visual cues and running around and it could be a disaster without guidance. Playing arenas is probably the least ideal set-up for any band, let alone one defined by the sound of guitars echoing around.

Anyway, those in-ear monitors intercepts are cool. Here's one I just found with the Red Hot Shitty Peppers, from John's in-ear, which is funny, because it basically sounds like the band minus Kiedis and plus extra guitar and John vox: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCKtaKmg6fs

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:48 (three years ago) Permalink

If they are playing to a click the delays on the guitar will be simply tempo synched to the pulse, with Dallas Schoo or whoever under the stage punching between presets for each song and section of a song.

MaresNest, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 15:23 (three years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

U2 touring "The Joshua Tree" in its entirety this summer. I like the album, but snooze of an idea, and also, they've picked what could be the lamest slate of opening acts (like they need one) imaginable: Mumford & Sons, Lumineers and OneRepublic.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 January 2017 15:30 (one year ago) Permalink

I would be excited for this if it was "U2 tours the first side of The Joshua Tree"

¶ (DJP), Monday, 9 January 2017 15:45 (one year ago) Permalink

Silly idea, shows a complete lack of faith in their new material, please call it a day.

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Monday, 9 January 2017 15:47 (one year ago) Permalink

in fairness, have you heard their new material?

¶ (DJP), Monday, 9 January 2017 15:49 (one year ago) Permalink

Yes. I'd have a complete lack of faith in it, too!

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Monday, 9 January 2017 15:50 (one year ago) Permalink

Each set will be twenty versions of "Trip Through Your Wires" and then they leave without acknowledging the crowd.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 January 2017 15:56 (one year ago) Permalink

haha that would be awesome

¶ (DJP), Monday, 9 January 2017 15:59 (one year ago) Permalink

Tbf, their last tour leaned very heavy on the new album nobody wanted. Like, 7 or 8 songs, I think. So they have faith in their new material, I think they just currently lack new material. Bono's got to eat, and Edge has to keep up those Malibu estate payments.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 January 2017 16:02 (one year ago) Permalink

have they done the same thing with "Achtung Baby" or is it the first time they do that kind of things ?
If so, I predict numerous tours in the coming years !

when did this trend of playing only one album during a tour start ?
The first example I have in mind is Brian Wilson/Pet sounds but maybe it was done before...

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 9 January 2017 16:04 (one year ago) Permalink

I mean, not in the case of bands or artist who only have one album or just play the latest released album, of course !
I mean play an older album with all the tracks in the same order, etc.

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 9 January 2017 16:06 (one year ago) Permalink

they've picked what could be the lamest slate of opening acts (like they need one) imaginable: Mumford & Sons, Lumineers and OneRepublic.

Here's who they had (at various stops) on the original Joshua Tree tour: Lone Justice, The Pretenders, Big Audio Dynamite, UB40, Little Steven, The BoDeans, Mason Ruffner, World Party, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Spear of Destiny, The Waterboys, Hurrah!, Los Lobos, Buckwheat Zydeco, The Pogues, The Alarm, The Silencers, and Lou Reed.

how's life, Monday, 9 January 2017 16:10 (one year ago) Permalink

I was just thinking the other day about how they had Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy and Primus open for them on the Achtung Baby tour.

how's life, Monday, 9 January 2017 16:11 (one year ago) Permalink

public enemy and the sugarcubes opened the dodger stadium achtung baby show i saw

tylerw, Monday, 9 January 2017 16:12 (one year ago) Permalink

xps: the one time i saw them, which was on the tour before that, we got the gloriously dirgesome Belfegore

NickB, Monday, 9 January 2017 16:14 (one year ago) Permalink

Heh, there's an air of "let's not pick a support act that's going to show us up" about those selections. U2 clearly don't want to end up on ILM's "blew off the stage" thread.

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Monday, 9 January 2017 16:15 (one year ago) Permalink

The first big concert I ever saw was The Joshua Tree tour in Philly, at the Spectrum, in 1987, I think. Opening was some dude named Mason Ruffner.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 January 2017 16:18 (one year ago) Permalink

xpost there he is, in your list! My man, Mason Ruffner.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 January 2017 16:19 (one year ago) Permalink

Primus and Disposable Heroes opened the Achtung Baby stop I saw, iirc. I've subsequently seen PJ Harvey and Garbage open up for U2. The latter's amps blew up and they had the crowd sing along with Beatles songs while they replaced them, I think.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 January 2017 16:22 (one year ago) Permalink

i saw the trompe-le-monde-era pixies; they did not blow U2 off the stage

mookieproof, Monday, 9 January 2017 16:24 (one year ago) Permalink

on the popmart tour in Chicago they had Fun Lovin Criminals open, which for a show in a football stadium was just a bit underwhelming.

nomar, Monday, 9 January 2017 16:28 (one year ago) Permalink

not sure how this is much different than any other anniversary tour in recent years, cf underworld and springsteen or whoever. also i think the last album that everyone owns in virus format is actually vv good.

nomar, Monday, 9 January 2017 16:32 (one year ago) Permalink

Wish I had seen them in Rotterdam with Einstürzende Neubauten opening

MaresNest, Monday, 9 January 2017 16:34 (one year ago) Permalink

I saw them on the Joshua Tree tour. That was at their peak of popularity in the US. The problem with the show, as I recall, was that everybody in the arena sang along with every word at the top of their lungs, and it was hard to hear the actual band.

They sang 40 all the way to the parking lot, it was a little creepy.

kornrulez6969, Monday, 9 January 2017 16:42 (one year ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnxLhKfZ1x4

MaresNest, Monday, 9 January 2017 16:47 (one year ago) Permalink

^ Talking about their one support date with U2

MaresNest, Monday, 9 January 2017 16:48 (one year ago) Permalink

excited for bono updating the spoken-word bit in 'bullet the blue sky' for 2k17

mookieproof, Monday, 9 January 2017 16:51 (one year ago) Permalink

Here's who they had (at various stops) on the original Joshua Tree tour: Lone Justice, The Pretenders, Big Audio Dynamite, UB40, Little Steven, The BoDeans, Mason Ruffner, World Party, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Spear of Destiny, The Waterboys, Hurrah!, Los Lobos, Buckwheat Zydeco, The Pogues, The Alarm, The Silencers, and Lou Reed.

Now there is a roster of Greenpeace compilation CD artists.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 9 January 2017 16:51 (one year ago) Permalink

I saw them on the Joshua Tree tour. That was at their peak of popularity in the US. The problem with the show, as I recall, was that everybody in the arena sang along with every word at the top of their lungs, and it was hard to hear the actual band.

They sang 40 all the way to the parking lot, it was a little creepy.

― kornrulez6969, Monday, January 9, 2017 11:42 AM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I saw them on that tour too, the same week they were on the cover of Time. The crowd wouldn't shut up. Bono gave a lengthy introduction to Peggy Seeger's "Springhill Mining Disaster," and talked about the 1984-85 British miners strike. After the first verse, Bono said to the crowd, "Shut up for a second, willya? It's not the Beatles up here, it's just U2."

Ah, here it is, at 1:04:43
https://youtu.be/zviYtGNNWgs

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 9 January 2017 17:03 (one year ago) Permalink

Saw them once in 1993, Rotterdam, with Utah Saints as support act.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 9 January 2017 17:09 (one year ago) Permalink

When I saw them in Paris for the "Achtung Baby" tour, the opening act was... the velvet underground !

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 9 January 2017 17:10 (one year ago) Permalink

Waht

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 9 January 2017 17:11 (one year ago) Permalink

Did they blow U2 off the stage?

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Monday, 9 January 2017 17:12 (one year ago) Permalink

well, it was in the racecourse and obviously, the sound was lousy.
you could hear the songs but the crowd didn't really get into it.
I'm still glad I can say I saw the VU live !

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 9 January 2017 17:19 (one year ago) Permalink

is it wrong that i am already looking forward to the 30th anniversary tour of bono's classic jam session with tinariwen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqh6x29bc64

NickB, Monday, 9 January 2017 17:22 (one year ago) Permalink

please god let us all live that long

NickB, Monday, 9 January 2017 17:23 (one year ago) Permalink

haha i love the constant monocle adjusting that goes on whenever a popular old band decides to play shows featuring songs that a lot of people love and will enjoy....it's so sad really, they should have a little moral fibre and play b-sides from the how to dismantle an atomic bomb era

who gives a shit? they seem like they are probably still good live, there's a lot of ppl who would like to hear the joshua tree live what's the harm?

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 9 January 2017 17:28 (one year ago) Permalink

when I saw them at the Elevation tour's opening date in Ft Lauderdale, PJ Harvey was supposed to open; it was why I bought tickets. But strep throat forced U2 to replace them with...the Corrs.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 January 2017 17:30 (one year ago) Permalink

Cor!

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Monday, 9 January 2017 17:32 (one year ago) Permalink

four months pass...

I sympathize, but Jon Pareles' review of the Joshua Tree tour redux reads like a robot wrote it. On the other hand, it concludes with this:

The band couldn’t let that energy go; Bono impulsively called for an oldie, “I Will Follow,” U2’s first single. Bono urged the crowd to take the roof off, but this was U2’s longtime habitat, a stadium. There was no roof.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 May 2017 20:50 (one year ago) Permalink

Which maybe is meant to be sort of portentous? But I think it's hilarious.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 May 2017 20:50 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

I'm giving All That You Can't Leave Behind a listen now for the first time in years and while the singles jog memories of the years 2000-2001, I can see why I don't listen to this more often - it's more than a bit dull.

Not to mention that I'm 9 tracks in and I've already heard 'The Sun Always Shines On TV' ('Beaitiful Day'), 'Here Comes Your Man' ('Walk On'), Bon Jovi's 'Always' ('Kite'), an outtake from a shit late-period Stones album ('In a Little While') and just general shittiness ('Peace on Earth') ...

'When I Look at the World' is underrated, tho.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Saturday, 1 July 2017 20:54 (one year ago) Permalink

*'Beautiful Day', rather.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Saturday, 1 July 2017 20:55 (one year ago) Permalink

('New York' is underrated too, and possibly the best track on the LP. Sounds like it would have been more at home on Zooropa ... just needs more swirly FX.)

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Saturday, 1 July 2017 20:58 (one year ago) Permalink

you could craft one of their best albums out of the tracks from the tail end of their last 4 LPs.

nomar, Sunday, 2 July 2017 00:59 (one year ago) Permalink

these songs have all made zero impact on the U2 fanbase but they'd make a good playlist. none of them go beyond mid-tempo(ish), most are slower mood pieces or odd tracks they would never play live.

Breathe
Cedarwood Road
New York
This Is Where You Can Reach Me Now
FEZ (Being Born)
White As Snow
One Step Closer
When I Look At the World
Grace
The Troubles
Cedars of Lebanon

nomar, Sunday, 2 July 2017 02:10 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Ready your barbs, new album imminent, new song circulating in some form. Sounds different from what I would expect from them, kind of generic alt rock maybe?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 31 August 2017 19:42 (eleven months ago) Permalink

https://www.facebook.com/u2/videos/10155989836631686/

mark e, Thursday, 31 August 2017 19:48 (eleven months ago) Permalink

This one's... uh... Songs of Incontinence, wasn't it?

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 31 August 2017 20:05 (eleven months ago) Permalink

like with the pre-release of their Invisible track, i aint taking this on face value.

mark e, Thursday, 31 August 2017 20:15 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i loved Invisible and had high hopes for a lot more of the same kind of groove (i.e. the minimal electro drums), and we all know how that turned out.

mark e, Thursday, 31 August 2017 20:16 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Reports that edge in particular is v concerned about opinions itt

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Thursday, 31 August 2017 21:52 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Oh god is my iPhone safe?

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 31 August 2017 22:11 (eleven months ago) Permalink

The Edge? More like the Dull!

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 31 August 2017 22:15 (eleven months ago) Permalink

"You're The Best Thing About Me"

Mark G, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:09 (eleven months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

1. Zooropa
2. Achtung Baby
3. Boy
4. The Joshua Tree
5. The Unforgettable Fire
6. War
7. Pop
8. All That You Can't Leave Behind
9. October
10. Rattle and Hum

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 21 December 2017 19:08 (seven months ago) Permalink

11. the rest

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 21 December 2017 19:09 (seven months ago) Permalink

pretty much OTM. I might have Unforgettable Fire ahead of Joshua Tree but why quibble?

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 21 December 2017 20:43 (seven months ago) Permalink

I listened to Boy a couple of nights ago and it blew me away how punchy and fresh it sounded.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 21 December 2017 21:00 (seven months ago) Permalink

glad to see POP in the list.
for all the crap that is thrown at the album (incl. from the band themselves), i still really enjoy it.

mark e, Thursday, 21 December 2017 21:03 (seven months ago) Permalink

I think that Pop had the potential to be one of their best but they cocked it up during the recording... I really like 'Discotheque', 'Do You Feel Loved', 'MOFO', 'The Last Night on Earth', 'Gone', 'Staring at the Sun' and 'Please' and weirdly for all of Pop's flaws I don't like the attempts at remixing the tracks anywhere near as much as the ones that made the LP.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 21 December 2017 21:08 (seven months ago) Permalink

as you say, something was not right. it sounds muddy.
there is no clarity in the mix at all for Discoteque.
i wouod suggest that a good straightforward remaster/remix to seperate the instrumentation would reawaken several of the tracks, but i think the band have disowned this album, so we just have to put up with it as it is.

mark e, Thursday, 21 December 2017 21:15 (seven months ago) Permalink

I think they've gone off the LP, which is a shame because there's a lot of great material on it and it would have been amazing if the production had been more OTM - maybe they would have carried on in this direction. A lot of potential new directions opened up on Achtung Baby, Zooropa and the Passengers LP, and it would have been great if they'd explored more.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 21 December 2017 21:25 (seven months ago) Permalink

They seem to regard the tour as being one of their best, at least presentation wise.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 21 December 2017 21:25 (seven months ago) Permalink

A lot of potential new directions opened up on Achtung Baby, Zooropa and the Passengers LP, and it would have been great if they'd explored more.

as i am sure i have said elsewhere, i came onboard at AB and so have always preferred this era.
at times NLOTH revisited the same kind of groove for me hence why i rate that one highly.
still working on the new album.
always takes a few weeks before i either get fed up, or i succumb.
at the moment, it's looking like the latter.

mark e, Thursday, 21 December 2017 21:31 (seven months ago) Permalink

Fucking hell, Bono.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-42502453

U2 frontman Bono has criticised what he says is a lack of rock and roll in today's music.

In an interview with Rolling Stone, the singer said: "I think music has gotten very girly.

"And there are some good things about that, but hip-hop is the only place for young male anger at the moment - and that's not good."

He added that one of his sons, Elijah, "believes that a rock and roll revolution is around the corner".

And the singer said he agreed with his son that the genre "will return".

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 28 December 2017 22:07 (seven months ago) Permalink

stfu bono

Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 December 2017 22:16 (seven months ago) Permalink

"When I was 16, I had a lot of anger in me. You need to find a place for it and for guitars, whether it is with a drum machine - I don't care.

looool. I love that that's where he draws the line.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 28 December 2017 22:19 (seven months ago) Permalink

"Lady GaGa stole this music...we're stealin' it back!"

Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 28 December 2017 22:26 (seven months ago) Permalink

Bono is a knob but not quite sure why this is so offensive - the word 'girly' or a misunderstanding over his comment about hip-hip?

PaulTMA, Thursday, 28 December 2017 22:35 (seven months ago) Permalink

yes "girly" as a pejorative, because there are a lot of women making great rock music right now and the idea that male anger is somehow underrepresented in rock music or the world in 2017 is fucking ridiculous

Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 December 2017 22:46 (seven months ago) Permalink

The drummer from Shed Seven isn't in agreement

Yes @U2's Bono is a top cunt, but fuck me, if you can't use the word "Girly" anymore to describe something as a bit sissy. In the name of.....

— Alan Leach Shed7 (@AlanShed) December 28, 2017

PaulTMA, Thursday, 28 December 2017 22:52 (seven months ago) Permalink

BONO PLEASE JUST GO THE FUCK AWAY

calstars, Thursday, 28 December 2017 22:52 (seven months ago) Permalink

The most generous interpretation of the hip-hop line: "that's not good" meaning that hip-hop shouldn't be the only genre through which young men express anger. But I'm not feeling generous, and fuck Bono for "girly."

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 December 2017 22:56 (seven months ago) Permalink

Is this the same Shed Seven drummer who said girls couldn't be drummers in the 90s?

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 28 December 2017 22:56 (seven months ago) Permalink

It's also remarkably immature to be in your fifties and still be obsessed with expressing anger

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 December 2017 22:56 (seven months ago) Permalink

The same Alan Leach who declared in one of the weeklies that ALL female drummers were inferior to him

Master of Treacle, Thursday, 28 December 2017 22:57 (seven months ago) Permalink

Xp lol sorry

Master of Treacle, Thursday, 28 December 2017 22:57 (seven months ago) Permalink

Boner, Stink, please just go retire together in Tampa

calstars, Thursday, 28 December 2017 22:59 (seven months ago) Permalink

I think it's the same Alan Leach who claimed the band name stemmed from his losing his virginity to his own dad in a shed, aged 7

PaulTMA, Thursday, 28 December 2017 23:03 (seven months ago) Permalink

Good band, lots of good songs

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Friday, 29 December 2017 01:57 (seven months ago) Permalink

Shed Seven is terrible

Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 29 December 2017 13:53 (seven months ago) Permalink

Better than U2 though, and I've never heard them.

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Friday, 29 December 2017 14:26 (seven months ago) Permalink

I don't know what's so special about electrified guitars. If you're a male with male rage, playing drums is a much better outlet anyway.

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 29 December 2017 17:09 (seven months ago) Permalink

buddy rich was pretty angry

Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 29 December 2017 17:45 (seven months ago) Permalink

of all the ways to describe the edges guitar, angry sounding is not one of them.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 December 2017 17:47 (seven months ago) Permalink

"Who moved the feckin' stage?"

http://tonedeaf.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/theedge.jpg

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Friday, 29 December 2017 17:52 (seven months ago) Permalink

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91Va9naBeBL.jpg

omar little, Sunday, 31 December 2017 00:56 (seven months ago) Permalink

Dud

The times they are a changing, perhaps (map), Sunday, 31 December 2017 03:17 (seven months ago) Permalink

what are the odds of the next U2 album being the best of their entire career

Karl Malone, Sunday, 31 December 2017 03:20 (seven months ago) Permalink

In the “sure, it’s a giant steaming turd, but look - there’s a flower growing out of one of the coils!” sense, sure, it could happen.

(What I’m saying here is that U2 are a bad band and all their albums are bad, but sure, the next one could be 1% less terrible than all its predecessors, why not?)

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 31 December 2017 03:58 (seven months ago) Permalink

More like Ew2

The times they are a changing, perhaps (map), Sunday, 31 December 2017 04:00 (seven months ago) Permalink

U2 were a great band and let's face it, you're all massively jealous of Bono and the band in general.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:02 (seven months ago) Permalink

But y'know, don't quit looking for reasons to get offended guys.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:07 (seven months ago) Permalink

There are 3 or 4 U2 albums I regularly play and love in their entirety, so I can't dismiss the group. Likewise, I think Bono can come off a real tool but I also think he can be smart and funny. Even so, I don't expect this band to record anything I want to listen to ever again. I blame the Edge, who I am convinced decades down the line still doesn't know how to play guitar, which is pretty limiting for a guitarist. But as I've always said, if I formed a U2 cover band, the Edge would still be my first pick.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:28 (seven months ago) Permalink

well i mean Edge can definitely play guitar but it's weird to me how they have consistently kicked off their recent string of albums with singles where they're trying to use him as a blunt, choppy instrument instead of the more recognizable sound of peak U2. i think within that sound he can do a lot, like I'd include The Fly or Breathe or Moment of Surrender in that. but not so much Get On Your Boots, American Soul, The Blackout, The Miracle of Joey Ramone, etc...

omar little, Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:44 (seven months ago) Permalink

I don't think he can play guitar, though he can do cool things with guitars. And he does those things well, so he doesn't need to play guitar well. That It Might Get Loud doc settled it for me.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:55 (seven months ago) Permalink

of all the tired zings about U2, edge can’t play is the most tired. one of the most influential players of his generation (hi dere worship players) but yeah, sure, he can’t play. good thing there are a million bar band guys who can hold down the blooz wank while we wait for guitar jesus.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:58 (seven months ago) Permalink

Me I am somewhere in between Josh and omar. Like anyone of my age and class and temperament I have a long history of listening to these lads. I still like some songs. "Pride," "One." A few more if I cared enough to think about it but I don't.

Edge shouldn't be judged as a guitarist vs. other guitarists, because he has never had to play guitar like anyone but himself. Which is an admirable position to be in. I will fully confess that I envy him. In various documentaries (as Josh notes) he gives a lot of information about his method, which I think is interesting. More an architect of soundscapes than a shredder or technician, blah blah blah.

I've said this elsewhere but will say again: at their best they are a pretty good rock band, but to think about them as a rock band you have to ignore so much music-adjacent bullshit that it becomes a very difficult mental exercise. I mean, what do we talk about when we talk about U2? Can we ignore mullets? Checkered pants? The World Bank? It's possible, but difficult.

twas in the fleek midwinter (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:58 (seven months ago) Permalink

i can agree to an extent and refer to something he himself said once along the lines of him being more a technician than a musician, but i think at its peak his sound (if not his ability) has been more compelling than most major superstar guitar players.

omar little, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:01 (seven months ago) Permalink

I am not doubting his influence at all! I like his playing, he's a cool guitarist with a lot of good ideas, and that's all you need, not technical prowess or anything. Like, he knows:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOhWSGbhxAo

He's the absolutely right guitarist for U2. But I do think he's pretty limited and limiting.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:02 (seven months ago) Permalink

i think him being a player who has experimented w/his sound to overcome his occasionally self admitted limitations has made him vv interesting and he was either crafty or lucky or both to hit upon a sound early on that really worked.

omar little, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:02 (seven months ago) Permalink

I totally agree. It's key that he has never had to be anyone but himself. But I was just saying that the incentive to change when you're in such an enviable position is low. Change the Edge, you totally change U2.

The other argument of course is that simple works, which is one reason he's still playing stadiums and Andy Summers, John McGeoch, Will Sergeant or Stuart Adamson (RIP) aren't.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:06 (seven months ago) Permalink

Or, you know, Michael Brook or even Daniel Lanois or any of the other guitarists who influenced him or who work in a similar sonic realm.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:07 (seven months ago) Permalink

like marv levy used to say, it’s simple but it ain’t easy. really nail the riff from “Bad” and get back to me.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:14 (seven months ago) Permalink

complexity isn’t why andy summers stopped filling stadiums lol. I agree we’d be all be better off if more players listened to daniel lanois.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:16 (seven months ago) Permalink

Right!

And that clip JiC linked (where he plays the same thing clean) is EXACTLY what I think of when I think of him nowadays.

I will never call myself a U2 fanboi. But would still vastly rather see them than yr Bonnamasturbatur/Satriwanki/Malmsteen thingy or Phish/Rush/Yes/Tool/whatever.

And though I am not a global superstar (and never will be) I follow more of an Edgian ethos in my own music. Play exactly like yourself, and put yourself in situations where that makes sense.

twas in the fleek midwinter (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:17 (seven months ago) Permalink

For sure, doing even the simplest stuff he does while running around on stage in a stadium I imagine is really hard! Edge is the best Edge we will ever get.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:19 (seven months ago) Permalink

I want to say achtung baby and zooropa was the last time he did anything that caught my attention. A song like Until the End of the World, he's moving around a lot more than usual, even has a guitar solo!

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:22 (seven months ago) Permalink

Ok. I think there's at least an equally interesting debate about whether Adam Clayton can play bass or not.

Consensus in my youth was that Adam could not, in fact, play bass particularly well.

Consensus in their mid-career period was, who cares?

I don't know the current consensus. Still stuck on "don't care."

twas in the fleek midwinter (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:24 (seven months ago) Permalink

my relationship with U2 ends abruptly around Zooropa/Passengers so it’s possible my perspective is tainted.

I think adam is okay - he doesn’t have jazz chops or anything but you can catch him bringing something to the song.

as an aside, it’s probably a different thread really but I can’t understand bonamassa at all. he’s like a walking museum of ancient licks and he will influence no one.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:29 (seven months ago) Permalink

Adam iirc couldn't even play bass when he joined up, they just thought he was a cool-looking dude and he happened to have a bass or something. i could be misremembering my U2 history. he's good, i think. he's had a lot of good bass lines in his career, memorable ones.

Larry is probably the best musician in the bunch.

Bono has been both great and terrible in terms of both singing and lyrics.

omar little, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:32 (seven months ago) Permalink

Larry is p much unimpeachable, agreed

sympathy for the tasmanian devil (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:34 (seven months ago) Permalink

thanking u mad puffin

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:37 (seven months ago) Permalink

For sure, doing even the simplest stuff he does while running around on stage in a stadium I imagine is really hard!

I prefer when he falls off stages in stadium, tbh, if only he'd do more of that I've have more respect for him. Seriously though I think he's always been the only interesting musician in U2 and still is.

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:42 (seven months ago) Permalink

my challenging opinion is that, in any creative field, if you don't think you're at least hypothetically capable of producing your very best work in the near future, you should just stop.

Karl Malone, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:45 (seven months ago) Permalink

I'm sure they think they are but hasn't the Edge got some ridiculous clifftop mansion to maintain?

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:48 (seven months ago) Permalink

...And my counterchallop is that as long as someone wants to hear what you're doing now and where you're going next, you may as well continue exploring/experimenting.

No, most people don't go to see the Rolling Stones with a burning desire to hear them say "here's one from our new album."

But on the other hand, making Tom Rush or Bob Dylan slog around with the same ten songs they wrote when they were 20 seems cruel in a different way.

sympathy for the tasmanian devil (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:49 (seven months ago) Permalink

Oh right, he hasn't built it yet - well, as of May 2016 that is, an update would be appreciated...

http://static.latimes.com/the-edge/

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:50 (seven months ago) Permalink

IMO clifftop mansions are great for immensely rich older men with young, physically fit wives.

"Ooops, he slipped! There was nothing I could do!"

sympathy for the tasmanian devil (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:54 (seven months ago) Permalink

Adam's bass playing is imo the highlight of "Pop." Adam, fwiw, also the only member of U2 to ever miss a gig (and, related, go to rehab).

I'd argue U2's major advances post Popmart have been stage design and presentation. The claw stadium stage, the Songs of Innocence set, even (in that context) the stripped down Joshua Tree redux stage.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 December 2017 18:04 (seven months ago) Permalink

"Ooops, he slipped! There was nothing I could do!"

He's not too nimble on his feet either, as we have seen earlier.

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Sunday, 31 December 2017 18:05 (seven months ago) Permalink

i heard American Soul off the new album on the radio recently and it reminded me that the way they've focused on 'rocking out' in the last 15 years or so, contrary to all their previous strengths, is so strange and i can't believe they're still at it

ufo, Sunday, 31 December 2017 18:12 (seven months ago) Permalink

um throwing Alex Lifeson in with Phish when he's probably the most economical guitarist of his generation is pretty bonkers

Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 31 December 2017 18:17 (seven months ago) Permalink

I think the new one "rocks" a bit more than the last one. The last one was also a better album.

omar little, Sunday, 31 December 2017 18:19 (seven months ago) Permalink

xpost Lifeson also clearly glommed on to what the Edge and cohort were up to.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 December 2017 18:21 (seven months ago) Permalink

Bono thinks The Biggest Band in the World should record rock singles * shrug*

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 31 December 2017 18:23 (seven months ago) Permalink

Edge should have just had them include this Bill Bailey clip in that doco

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8dZwXnMrRU

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Sunday, 31 December 2017 18:30 (seven months ago) Permalink

also Rush literally afaik has never jammed or improv'ed ever in concert

Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 31 December 2017 18:31 (seven months ago) Permalink

GUYS the distinction is "admired by chops-hungry muso types" / "reviled by chops-hungry muso types."

You can quibble all you like about who is included/excluded from each bucket, but it is a recognizable distinction.

sympathy for the tasmanian devil (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 31 December 2017 18:54 (seven months ago) Permalink

Edge can't play

But hes read all the manuals of the post-playing equipment

This is not even up for argument tbh. He couldn't even figure out the chords for the weight ffs

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Monday, 1 January 2018 00:56 (seven months ago) Permalink

Quick note here that Bono, in his introduction to Tom Doyle's Billy Mackenzie biography The Glamour Chase, specifically admitted that they tried to rip off the Associates (and that he knew there was no way for him to rip off Billy's singing, a wise assessment). And as Doyle himself says in the book, I think you can pretty clearly hear it on the band's 1980 song "Paperhouse," from their debut The Affectionate Punch -- definitely a proto-Edge guitar break in there:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U3xiazgtmA

Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 January 2018 03:41 (seven months ago) Permalink

(Should add of course that said guitar is played by the other core member of the original band, Alan Rankine.)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 January 2018 03:41 (seven months ago) Permalink

so as ILM's likely most loyal U2 fan i feel the need to add my 2 cents about the new album. don't read if you hate them, or me i guess.

like all U2 albums, if you're a U2 fan you're probably going to enjoy it but it feels like only half their work, there are a lot of songs on here that sound very much unlike them. more generic. This one too often feels like the work of other parties in places (recognizing that U2 has worked with other parties before of course but it felt a lot more collaborative in those instances.) though in a few cases on this album it works, the song w/Haim and a couple of the tracks with Andy Barlow from Lamb are nice.

But this is down there with Rattle and Hum and How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb but where the former fell flat on its face sometimes bc of miscalculation and the latter was U2 settling into a very by-the-numbers groove, at least in R&H there were some genuinely outstanding songs and in HTDAAB they nailed a classic U2 sound and there are a couple of genuinely rousing tracks.

(also: after sitting with it for awhile i think Songs of Innocence is the better album and actually winds up in the middle of their discography quality-wise for me. upthread i complained about it but i think it's actually very good and sounds like a very heartfelt U2 album -- similar to No Line on the Horizon, albeit not nearly as great.)

my updated, subjective album rankings:

Achtung Baby
The Joshua Tree
Zooropa
War
Unforgettable
Passengers
Pop
Boy
No Line on the Horizon
Songs of Innocence
All That You Can’t Leave Behind
October
Rattle and Hum/How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb/Songs of Experience

omar little, Friday, 5 January 2018 17:35 (seven months ago) Permalink

Probably wouldn't quibble with that ranking, even if I might shift a couple of the top ones around. Haven't even bothered with the new one.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 5 January 2018 17:57 (seven months ago) Permalink

clicked this What's Going On cover expecting it to be disastrous, to my surprise it is not horrible https://open.spotify.com/track/5CPWcXuqQ2QSXJmc1sT19u

niels, Friday, 5 January 2018 20:29 (seven months ago) Permalink

War
The Joshua Tree
Unforgettable
Achtung Baby
No Line on the Horizon
Rattle and Hum
Passengers
Boy
Zooropa
October
Pop
Songs of Experience
Songs of Innocence
All That You Can’t Leave Behind
How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 5 January 2018 22:08 (seven months ago) Permalink

Just look at these two

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 7 January 2018 20:31 (seven months ago) Permalink

Putt on your boots

failsun ra (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 7 January 2018 20:35 (seven months ago) Permalink

Just-For-Men-Gel of Harlem

attention vampire (MatthewK), Sunday, 7 January 2018 21:12 (seven months ago) Permalink

where the geeks have no shame

pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 7 January 2018 21:14 (seven months ago) Permalink

i still haven't found what i'm looking for, which is my golf ball, so i'll have to take a two stroke penalty

omar little, Sunday, 7 January 2018 21:19 (seven months ago) Permalink

how long, how long must we play this hole

failsun ra (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:08 (seven months ago) Permalink

Before and after hairplugs.

MaresNest, Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:38 (seven months ago) Permalink

Stuck in a sandtrap you can't get out of.

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:45 (seven months ago) Permalink


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