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The Village Voice, Pushing 50, Prepares to Be Sold to a Chain of Weeklies
By RICHARD SIKLOS
Published: October 24, 2005

The company that publishes The Village Voice and five other alternative newspapers is to announce today an agreement to be acquired by New Times Media, the largest publisher in the market. The deal would create a chain of 17 free weekly newspapers around the country with a combined circulation of 1.8 million.

Establishing the Anti-Establishment The merger - coming in the same week as The Voice's 50th anniversary - will undoubtedly raise questions about whether The Voice and its siblings can preserve their anti-establishment roots as part of a growing corporation.

But in an increasingly rocky media landscape, an equally important question is whether conglomeration will give the chain - which would include LA Weekly, SF Weekly, Miami New Times and The Dallas Observer - the editorial and financial muscle to compete against free competitors, both online and in print.

James Larkin, the chairman and chief executive of New Times, said in an interview that the merger, unlike those in the broader newspaper industry, where consolidation has led to accusations of uniformity and boilerplate coverage, "allows us to get stronger and to have stronger content."

The most pressing issue raised by the deal is how it will play with antitrust regulators, with whom the merger partners have already had one run-in.

In 2002, the Justice Department charged New Times Media and Village Voice Media with illegal collusion and blocked a deal between them to shut down money-losing publications in Los Angeles and Cleveland.

As a result, those papers were sold to other publishers, and the companies signed a consent decree in 2003 that, while they admitted no wrongdoing, ensures that their planned combination will get plenty of regulatory scrutiny.

As part of that settlement, the companies agreed that any further deals over the next five years would have to be submitted to the government for approval. In any case, because of its size, the transaction would require approval under the Hart-Scott-Rodino Act of 1976.

In addition, after an article speculating about the deal was published several months ago in a rival San Francisco weekly, the California attorney general's office put New Times on notice that it expected to be notified of any deal. Mr. Larkin described the consent decree as an albatross that stemmed from bad legal advice.

Although no money is changing hands, people involved to the merger said it valued the combined companies at about $400 million. The merged company, which will continue to use the name Village Voice Media, is effectively an acquisition by New Times, whose current shareholders will own 62 percent of the new company and hold five of nine board seats.

It will have revenue of roughly $180 million. Both companies are private and therefore do not publish their financial results, but Mr. Larkin said that the combined entity would be profitable and that, despite industry pressures, New Times had been increasing revenue and profit by single digits each year.

In 2000, the Voice chain was acquired by an investor group that includes David Schneiderman, a former editor, and various arms of the investment firms Goldman Sachs; Weiss, Peck & Greer; and Trimaran Capital Partners. None of the current investors are exiting as part of the merger, although Mr. Larkin said the expectation was that he and his partners would buy out the financial backers in five years.

Mr. Larkin is to be chairman and chief executive, and Michael Lacey, New Times's executive editor, is to continue in that role at Village Voice Media.

A trust controlled by Mr. Larkin and Mr. Lacey, who have been publishing partners since 1971, will hold 53 percent of the combined company's shares; they would be the largest individual shareholders within that trust. They have been backed in their efforts to assemble a chain of weeklies by Alta Communications, a private equity firm in Boston that currently holds 14 percent of New Times Media.

Mr. Schneiderman, who is currently Village Voice Media's chief executive, is to take a new position as head of the group's online efforts. Donald H. Forst, the editor of the Village Voice newspaper, will continue in his role once the deal closes. But Mr. Forst and all the Voice Media editors will now report to Mr. Lacey, rather than their individual publishers.

Mr. Lacey said the Voice papers are a good fit with New Times's crusading culture and emphasis on in-depth magazine-style coverage of local news, although observers noted that New Times had been deliberately apolitical and The Voice had been unstintingly left-leaning.

Establishing the Anti-Establishment "I don't think it will have a negative impact on the content of the papers," said Jane Levine, a former publisher of The Chicago Reader who is now on the paper's board. "There may well be changes to the content of the papers being bought, and there will be people who think that they will be negative, in part because New Times doesn't endorse political candidates. If you think the loss of the endorsements is a big negative change, you won't be happy with this deal."

Another criticism of New Times has been the development of a consistent design that Mr. Lacey described as a template aimed at appealing to travelers, but he said The Village Voice would retain its logo and format.

The Village Voice newspaper, with its weekly circulation of 250,000, will be the flagship of the company as well as the national brand for a new alternative media Internet portal that the merged company is planning.

Generally, the alternative weekly format of melding provocative writing, serious arts coverage and extensive listings and classifieds has become unbundled by the Web. And readers of New Times and Voice papers, like those of all news media businesses, are spending more time online.

The online move that is meant to reposition The Village Voice as a national brand also represents the company's most immediate commercial challenge: the Voice's once-lucrative classified advertising business, unique in its size among all the papers in the new company, has been hampered by the success of the free ad site Craigslist.

Mr. Schneiderman said that the company was having a "fantastic year" relative to the daily newspaper industry, and that advertising categories other than classified ads were performing well at The Voice. "It's painful," he said. "We've lost millions of dollars of revenue to free online classifieds."

Part of the strategy to address that shortfall will involve integrating Village Voice Media papers with backpage .com, which is New Times's attempt to compete with Craigslist for free advertising.

Additionally, the papers are to become part of a broader effort to tap into national advertising through a New Times business called Ruxton Media Group, which sells marketing packages in print and online meant to appeal to the typically young tech-savvy readers of alternative weeklies.

Together, the merged companies' publications would represent roughly 25 percent of the 7.6 million in weekly circulation that the Association of Alternative Newsweeklies counts among its 126 North American members. But that total does not include the many rivals looking for the attention of those readers or a slice of the alternative weekly advertising pie.

Among them are the so-called faux alt weeklies produced by daily newspaper publishers; new giveaway dailies like amNew York; and online journalism sites like Slate and Salon.

The companies' filing under the Hart-Scott-Rodino Act is subject to a 30-day government review period. The government could request additional information that might delay the deal's completion.

Mr. Lacey lamented that during that period he and Mr. Larkin would have to refrain from sharing specific plans with employees at Village Voice Media, a silence that he said would only enhance the perception they are the industry's bogeymen.

While acknowledging that the pending union will raise anxiety, both Mr. Larkin and Mr. Lacey said they hoped to be received as dedicated long-term proprietors after a string of unconventional owners of The Voice during the last two decades, including the media baron Rupert Murdoch, the real estate and pet-food mogul Leonard N. Stern and the current consortium of financial firms.

"I'm doing it because I love good journalism," Mr. Larkin said. "I want to have newspapers in the most exciting markets in the country. This is not a financial play."

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Hmm.

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Monday, 24 October 2005 04:11 (eighteen years ago) link

this is exciting, maybe someone will fire chuck eddy finally, king of bad taste and snap judgements!! :) yay!!!

breezy, Monday, 24 October 2005 04:13 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean ,"hold steady" on the cover??? HAHAAHAHAHAHAH

breezy, Monday, 24 October 2005 04:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I get the impression that it's already been questionable for quite a while whether the Voice was "hanging onto its anti-establishment roots".

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 24 October 2005 04:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Can we just skip ahead 15 years to where we all work for Google?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 24 October 2005 04:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Can we just skip ahead 15 years to where we all work for Google?

Why so optimistic?

Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Monday, 24 October 2005 04:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I have a feeling Clear Times (the eventual Clear Channel/New Times merger) will be ruling for a while before Google decides it's worth investing in entertainment journalism or not.

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Monday, 24 October 2005 04:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Clear Times Inc. (a wholly owned subsidiary of the Church of Scientology).

walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 24 October 2005 05:09 (eighteen years ago) link

the idea that a music editor can automatically dictate cover stories for their newspapers is as much of a snap judgment as anything Chuck ever wrote

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 24 October 2005 05:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Matos, my 13,000-word 11th-anniversary-of-the-death-of-Sonny-Sharrock piece! Where?!

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 24 October 2005 06:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah calling for the firing of anyone is dud enough (unless they're Rumsfeld or someone), but when they're a major contributor around these here parts and seem pretty decent to boot - for shame, Breezy.

thousands of tiny luminous spheres (plebian), Monday, 24 October 2005 07:11 (eighteen years ago) link

i hate capitalism.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 24 October 2005 07:41 (eighteen years ago) link

well shit. this would explain why i can't sleep.

awful bliss (awful bliss), Monday, 24 October 2005 08:08 (eighteen years ago) link

"....with a combined circulation of 1.8 million."

That's IT?

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 24 October 2005 11:02 (eighteen years ago) link

And I can’t imagine a non-leftwing VV, seems like an oxymoron

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 24 October 2005 11:49 (eighteen years ago) link


washingtonpost.com
The Village Voice's No-Alternative News: Corporate Takeover

By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, October 24, 2005; C01

The nation's two largest alternative newspaper chains plan to announce a merger today, a long-rumored combination that champions of quirky, iconoclastic, locally controlled papers have been sniping at for months.

New Times, the Phoenix-based publisher with 11 newspapers from Miami to San Francisco, is acquiring the Village Voice, the storied New York weekly co-founded by Norman Mailer, and five other papers owned by the Voice.

New Times will export its brand of "desert libertarianism on the rocks, with sprigs of neocon politics," writes Bruce Brugmann, publisher of the rival San Francisco Bay Guardian.

Hogwash, says Michael Lacey, New Times's executive editor, insisting that "individual editors in individual cities determine the content of their papers week to week. . . . I wish there were more conservative writers at the papers. There aren't. There isn't anything imposed about the editorial viewpoint from Phoenix."

Reaction is likely to be chilly among many staffers at the notoriously fractious Voice, where columnist Cynthia Cotts described a 2000 acquisition attempt by New Times as a "hostile takeover" by a company whose media purchases produced a "signature bloodbath."

But David Schneiderman, chief executive of Village Voice Media, says the merger will give his papers a "national platform," particularly on the Web, an operation that he will oversee. While his staff will go through "a period of trepidation," Schneiderman says, "the resources of the combined company will strengthen us editorially." New Times executives, he says, "invest in editorial. This is what they're about. It's quite refreshing."

As for the notion that the fabled counterculture papers of yore are becoming more corporate, Schneiderman says: "The issue is, what's in the newspaper? I would challenge anyone who's critical of this to point to anything in our papers or the New Times papers that's establishment. It's flat-out not true."

Lacey says the merger of assets requires no cash. The 2000 deal had a purchase price of about $150 million, according to a source cited by the New York Times.

The planned acquisition will require Justice Department approval on antitrust grounds, since the combined company would control about 14 percent of the circulation of the major alternative weeklies nationwide. The department has clashed with both companies before. In 2002, New Times agreed to close its Los Angeles paper, which competed with Village Voice Media's L.A. Weekly, in exchange for the Voice shutting down its Cleveland paper, which did battle with New Times's Cleveland Scene.

Justice accused the companies of trying "to corrupt the competitive process by swapping markets, thereby guaranteeing each other a monopoly." The firms agreed in a consent decree to notify the department before any merger or shutdown. "We got bad legal advice," Lacey says.

That was not the only allegation of corporate excess; Brugmann's Bay Guardian has sued New Times on charges of predatory practices.

Alternative papers provide an outlet for colorful writing and muckraking local reporting -- as when Portland's Willamette Week revealed last year that former Oregon governor Neil Goldschmidt had sex with a 14-year-old girl three decades ago and paid $250,000 to hush it up. The 50-year-old Village Voice, which has had such prominent contributors as Jules Feiffer, Jack Newfield and Nat Hentoff, has won three Pulitzers, most recently in 2000 for coverage of AIDS in Africa.

Despite their liberal, anti-establishment pedigree, alternative weeklies such as New Times and Village Voice long ago became big business. They are free and stuffed with music and arts coverage, they rake in piles of cash from entertainment ads and personal classifieds. Village Voice Media is owned by a consortium of investment banks that beat out New Times five years ago.

"Perfectly good journalism is commercially viable," Lacey says. "You have to give them well-written, well-reported stories. We don't need focus groups. We knew damn well that good stories sell, not people doing raving opinion pieces about how outraged they are. Blogs have made it completely unnecessary to have alternative newspapers fulfilling that role."

No cash will change hands because the deal is structured as a merger, with New Times getting 62 percent of the equity (plus a 5-4 edge on the company's board) and Village Voice 38 percent. Jim Larkin, the chief executive of New Times, says the negotiations took 15 months and that the only job cuts he envisions are on the corporate staff. "Village Voice makes money," he says. "These are both plump companies."

Lacey founded Phoenix New Times with Larkin in 1970, when he was a college dropout who had to give blood to make ends meet. He says the chain -- which also owns papers in Houston, Dallas, Denver, St. Louis and Kansas City -- boosts the budgets of the weeklies it acquires, though he would not rule out job cuts at the Voice papers in an effort to boost profit margins.

New Times has won a slew of journalism awards. Mark Jurkowitz, media critic for the Boston Phoenix, wrote recently that the company is "known for being non-ideological." But Lacey concedes that the planned takeover will produce a "culture clash" at the Voice, "because people will resent someone coming in from the outside. It's always very disturbing." What's more, New Times is a non-union shop, while the Voice and L.A. Weekly have noisy unions.

In terms of sheer feistiness, the papers may not be that far apart. A Voice writer recently slammed President Bush's "cluster of neocons and religious nuts and military industrialists," adding: "We need to investigate Wampumgate, Kazakhgate, the oil-for-slush scandal, Plamegate, and all the rest -- we need to do it for the sake of our own democracy."

Phoenix New Times, meanwhile, was calling the Maricopa County sheriff "a modern-day J. Edgar Hoover . . . without the penchant for women's underwear" and accusing local media outlets of the journalistic equivalent of sexually servicing him.

To skeptics, a large company that serves both the 1.1 million readers of New Times and the 800,000 of Village Voice Media -- which also has papers in Seattle, Minneapolis, Orange County and Nashville -- is a giant step toward the corporatization of the alternative news world. But Lacey argues that "media concentration at our end of the business is a good thing because it allows us to compete effectively," and says he hopes to restore the Voice "to its glory days."

That may or may not happen. But the bastion of Greenwich Village liberalism was once owned by Rupert Murdoch for six years. "The joke was we were Poland and Murdoch was Russia," says Schneiderman, a 27-year Voice veteran. "The only question was when he would invade."

curmudgeon, Monday, 24 October 2005 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I just posted my reaction:

http://blogs.citypages.com/pscholtes/2005/10/new_times_takes.asp

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 24 October 2005 14:04 (eighteen years ago) link

here's the official memo, from the website:

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0543,memo,69258,2.html

geeta (geeta), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link

More info in an old thread:

Village Voice writers' pay cut while music editor is on vacation

Eppy (Eppy), Monday, 24 October 2005 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

What VV Media did with New Times LA and their Cleveland paper was pretty shitty, a Baltimore Colts-style dead of night shutdown, so it's not as if this is surprising. I doubt the papers will change, anyway.

gear (gear), Monday, 24 October 2005 16:50 (eighteen years ago) link

And here's the Voice's own tepid, cowardly, and stupid news story on the deal.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:10 (eighteen years ago) link

yikes, is that article the official launch of the voice's new online brand? 'cause i'm reasonably sure that's the worst lede that's ever been published anywhere.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:54 (eighteen years ago) link

this is interesting:

http://www.reclaimthemedia.org/stories.php?story=05/10/24/3056201

geeta (geeta), Monday, 24 October 2005 23:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, having worked for NT at one point, I can say they aren't "right wing" or "neocon." Bruce Brugman is full of shit. But I can also say they're quite maverick in how they hold public officials accountable and how they work to provoke younger readers into picking up their papers. Makes 'em hard to damn-near impossible to work for sometimes (see: literature on growing up in alcoholic household; you'll get the idea), but doesn't necessarily make 'em the bad guys of journalism, either.

That said: ding dong, the Voice (as we know it) is dead. Or, "How the Central Scrutinizer toppled the Empire from an office in Denver."

Chris O., Monday, 24 October 2005 23:32 (eighteen years ago) link

The Chang piece, while definitely hyperbolizing at certain points ("Kenny Loggins"?), pretty much cuts to the chase.

And yeah, hearsay about NT varies from "alright" to "nightmare", as Chris O. cogently pointed out... It will really depend on where on that scale an alt-weekly falls currently, as far as readership/competition/etc.

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Monday, 24 October 2005 23:46 (eighteen years ago) link

haha please tell me the "Loggins" line was a eddy/queen/smith dis or something.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think so, micc.

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 00:20 (eighteen years ago) link

The Dallas paper is owned by New Times, it definitely lacks a neo-con/right-wing bent, but it also spends a significant amount of time blaming the 'black establishment' in Dallas from simultaneously not being radical enough and being too hard-ass about things. Basically if you're a young-to-middle-aged white person (preferably urban, preferably with money) they give a damn, but if you aren't then fuck off.

Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 00:30 (eighteen years ago) link

The Dallas paper's expose on ISKCON Texas was pretty amazing

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 00:52 (eighteen years ago) link

So... No new freelance work for the Voice, then? Just when I was all set to move to NY for the big time of alternative journalism.
Just hope the Voice stays better than the Boston Phoenix. That's a lumpy turd...

js (honestengine), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 00:58 (eighteen years ago) link

They do have some good investigative pieces when they stay further away from Dallas city politics. Maybe Dallas is just so hopelessly corrupt they can't find a new angle for a piece (this is a distinct possibility).

Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 01:53 (eighteen years ago) link

i like jeff chang a great deal, and i empathize with some of what he says here. look: there are very real, visceral reasons to be nervous/pissed off about this. but laying every ill of modern journalism -- shorter stories, reviews-as-advertisements, lousy freelance rates -- at new times' feet is disingenuous. furthermore, kenny loggins' name has appeared in a new times paper recently, but so has jeff chang's.

again, i don't expect to be terribly popular or persuasive -- here or anywhere, really -- for awhile. i merely wish to hack away at the New Times Seal-Clubbing Neocon Automaton rap we're inevitably gonna get. o'connor's right: it's a case-by-case, paper-by-paper situation, and some are better than others. (he's not the first guy to use the Drunk Dad metaphor, actually.) but that alone blows holes in the theory that we're gonna sire 17 papers with identical copy and only change the street names and sports teams. certain details (layout/movie reviews) aside, our papers now are each distinct, regional entities, and trust me -- i join you all in hoping to christ the VV papers stay exactly as they are in that regard. i want matos/sylvester/eddy exactly where they are, only more so.


awful bliss (awful bliss), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 02:07 (eighteen years ago) link

but that alone blows holes in the theory that we're gonna sire 17 papers with identical copy and only change the street names and sports teams.

that'd be an improvement since the voice killed their sports coverage ages ago.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 03:38 (eighteen years ago) link


and that's a damn shame. it's high time nat hentoff weighed in on eli manning.

awful bliss (awful bliss), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 03:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey, the kids want to read about the cool acts - Young Jeezy, System of a Down, Kenny Loggins - and we've gotta give 'em what they want, no matter our own preferences.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 03:48 (eighteen years ago) link

here's another take. this one's from the associated press:

New Times Media Buys Village Voice

By SETH SUTEL, AP Business Writer

New Times Media, the nation's largest publisher of alternative
weekly newspapers, is buying the owner of the Village Voice and
its five sister newspapers, creating a company with 17 weekly
publications and a combined circulation of 1.8 million.

The new company will keep the Village Voice name but will be
run by the two top executives of New Times Media, a
Phoenix-based company with 11 newspapers, the companies
announced Monday.

The deal creates a dominant player in the alternative
newsweekly business with nearly a quarter of the industry's total
circulation of 7.6 million, according to Richard Karpel, executive
director of the Association of Alternative Weeklies, a trade group.

New Times shareholders will own 62 percent of the new
company and Village Voice shareholders the remaining 38
percent. The board of the new company will also be made up of
a majority of New Times directors.

New Times CEO Jim Larkin will run the new company, to be
called Village Voice Media, and New Times executive editor
Michael Lacey will be executive editor. Village Voice CEO David
Schneiderman will oversee online operations.

Schneiderman said the combination would allow the
newspapers to more effectively compete for national advertising
and build up a bigger presence online, where newspapers face
competition to their lucrative classified advertising business
from free listings services like Craigslist.

The newspapers from the Voice group will be added to
backpage.com, a free online classified advertising venture that is
owned by New Times and was launched as an alternative to
Craigslist.

The combined company would have overall revenues of about
$180 million, Schneiderman said. He declined to disclose other
financial details, noting that both companies are privately held,
but he did say both were "comfortably profitable."

The Village Voice, with a free circulation of about 250,000, is one
of the best known alternative weekly newspapers in the country.
It was co-founded in 1955 by the novelist Norman Mailer, and
has been owned at various times by magazine industry veteran
Clay Felker; Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. and the
businessman Leonard Stern.

Under the new structure, the Voice's editor Donald Forst will
continue in his current role but will report to Lacey, as will the
editors of the Voice's five other weeklies in Los Angeles and
Orange County, Calif.; Seattle, Minneapolis / St. Paul and
Nashville.

New Times publishes in 11 cities including Phoenix, Cleveland,
Houston, San Francisco, Miami and Dallas.

The absorption of the Voice and its sister newspapers into a
larger company would do nothing to dampen their
antiestablishment tone, Schneiderman said.

"We kept our finger firmly planted in the eye of the establishment
when Murdoch owned us," Schneiderman said. "It's part of our
genetic makeup."

The deal will be subject to federal regulatory approval. The two
companies have run afoul of regulators before, and in 2003
settled charges of collusive behavior from the Justice
Department after selling competing papers to each other in Los
Angeles and Cleveland.

The deal had been expected, and has been the subject of much
discussion in the alternative weekly industry. For smaller
publications, the creation of a big company with newspapers in
several large cities including New York, Miami and San
Francisco could mean tougher competition for national
advertising.

"I think there's a sense of resignation," said Brian Hieggelke, the
publisher of the alternative weekly Newcity in Chicago. Hieggelke
is also director of the board of a cooperative that sells national
advertising for weeklies which competes with Ruxton Media
Group, a similar business owned by New Times. As part of the
deal, the Voice papers will become part of Ruxton's ad sales
network.

"For people who aren't part of New Times or (Village Voice
Media), the best case scenario is that it will be neutral for their
business, but in many cases it will be a negative," Hieggelke
said.

The Voice is currently owned by a group of investors including
three private investment funds: one managed by Goldman
Sachs; Weiss, Peck & Greer and the Trimaran Fund. None of
those investors is exiting as part of the current transaction.

geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 03:57 (eighteen years ago) link

What bothers me is that right now, without yet being under New Times, the Voice is a dishonest paper, and has been for quite a time. Whatever may have been wrong with the old Village Voice, the writers weren't afraid to speak the truth as they saw it; that truth might have been twisted or weird or idiosyncratic, but if others on staff disagreed, then they'd weigh in with their own version, or spout off in the letters section. You'd get squabbles and you'd get noise, but you'd get an array of voices. I suppose it's possible that Schanberg will address the takeover in his column tomorrow or next week - it's his fucking job to do so. We'll see how he does. It's appalling that the The Washington Post rather than the Voice talks to Lacey and gives you a hint of what's in store ("We knew damn well that good stories sell, not people doing raving opinion pieces about how outraged they are. Blogs have made it completely unnecessary to have alternative newspapers fulfilling that role") or the fact that the New York Times and not the Voice tells you that New Times forbids political endorsements. Man, if only Cockburn were doing Press Clips...

As for what's in store... Well, Westword, the New Times paper in Denver, has no book review section. And yes, Rob, I know that not all New Times papers are the same. Still, what does that tell you about these guys' priorities? Or, if you're interested, got to www.westword.com and type "TABOR" into the search engine, or "C and D" (what next week's ballot is going to be all about in Colorado), and follow the links, and see if you learn anything about it. Pitiful.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 04:47 (eighteen years ago) link

(the voice sports section, when it was around, was pretty essential reading. that hentoff-on-manning crack pretty much reveals that the crackee had zero exposure to it.)

maura (maura), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 04:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Back in the '80s, the Voice's sports section was the best part of the paper.

Xpost Xpost Xpost

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 04:59 (eighteen years ago) link

"Blogs have made it completely unnecessary to have alternative newspapers fulfilling that role"

This is inelegant code for unfastening everyone who had an opinion in hard copy versus someone who will give you their opinion for free or pennies on the Internet. What's the difference, actually? Well, one's a rationalization and an excuse, the other's the justification for the rationalization and the excuse. It's just like every other newspaper manically seized by obsession and fear of/with content from the Internet. Most newspapers are going through or will go through this in 2005 or next year. Even though profitable, cuts are expected at the biggest because it's the way corporate does things.

And before the regrets and bad news there is always the parade of rationalizations about the Internet and nature of editorial content and its origin and how the changing world has dictated something bad but we're still dedicated to and will do great journalism because great journalism is great.

Of course, you follow this to its logical conclusion, you don't even need local editors over the next few years. You can ship raw copy instantaneously to Indonesia or any old ex-Brit empire country now a slave labor nation with high bandwidth telecomm connections to the net and get the product back to you before you get up in the morning.
Hey, "The Internet had made it completely unnecessary to have workers at alternate newspapers fulfilling this role."

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 05:14 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost the Chang entry was most interesting to me when he responded to the reader's question about who owns the papers that NT doesn't, and he listed several indies I'd never heard of, as well as some that I had.He mentions Creative Loafing's original Atlanta edition, but they also have Tampa Bay and Charlotte offices. I've been writing for Charlotte's, and, although it's usually (not always) tied to somebody that's performing there, they do get quite a lot of good acts there. And no asskissing, that I've seen. Kandia Crazy Horse busted the Stones--well, she busted 'em down to the ground, right or wrong, no hedging at all. So, indie can still mean that, local coverage can still mean that; so far, anyway. (It may have gotten more people to the show, to see if she's right--A Child's Introduction To The Whorecstra, perhaps.)

don, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 05:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Copy has just noted that I misspelled "Whorechestra."

don, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 05:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Busting the Stones makes you indie?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 05:51 (eighteen years ago) link

One possible welcome effect: better movie reviews from more reviewers. Another possible welcome effect: the fact that NT papers allow their music sections to re-use material from the other papers ... thereby possibly marrying the Kogan/Catucci approach with the Wilonsky/John Lomax/Michael Roberts approach. Good reportage and provocative thought together? Could be not such a bad thing ...

Chris O., Tuesday, 25 October 2005 15:31 (eighteen years ago) link

That's something that's always bugged me about the NT film sections, the tendency to use the same handful of writers EVERYWHERE. How long has it been that way?

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't know. Hmmmmm, will C. Eddy be pressured to run reviews from other New Times papers???? How about Matos in Seattle???

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Putting aside VVM vs. non-VVM papers...

We all have different opinions on who are the better or worse editors of these papers. (This isn't even relating to music editors, necessarily. This can be arts editors, food editors, film editors, political editors, CHIEF editors, etc.) Every paper has a combination of good and bad editors... some are overall better than others.

What this New Times buyout will do is essentially equalize the good and bad qualities of these papers. The shitty editors will have to shape up, and the good editors will be likely (and this depends on which delegate at the Denver/Phoenix Borg Central is assigned to whom) be told how to do things, when they don't need to be told how to do things.

All in all, this is sad, because while a lot of really bad sections might improve, a lot of great sections are likely going to be compromised, and I don't think anything will arise from this that will equal the greatness of the latter. These singular visions that were enjoyable sections are going to be less singular, and this is the sad part. But hey, cut-to-the-chase corporate visions aren't really interested in preserving uniquely great quality in certain spots.. they're interested in across-the-board profitability, even if it means the referendums are going to blemish the good spots, as well as improve the bad spots.

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyway, I suspect this thread is going to be deluged with bile very soon, once the competing non-VVM papers weight in on this when their stories come out this week... some cogently, some not-so-cogently...

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:53 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost"busting the Stones makes you indie?" Uh, no, but just a reminder that already being indie doesn't have to mean that you kiss ass. Since a lot of the market is still indie, at this point, the New Times Village Voice Media merger doesn't nec. signal the end of all non-self-published dissent. (And what she wrote went way beyond any conventional Leno-type jokes about their age, etc.)

don, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link

One thing to keep in mind is that independently owned in no way guarantees "good," any more than pre-Gannett independently-owned daily papers were necessarily good. There are some pretty weak independently-owned alt papers, especially in smaller markets, and they're contending with all the same pressures from online and elsewhere that the corporate chains are. Some of them would benefit greatly from having, say, New Times or Village Voice movie or music reviews. Corporatization freaks people out, for a lot of good reasons, but it is far from the only issue in regard to the quality of alt-weekly journalism.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 19:09 (eighteen years ago) link

the good editors will be likely (and this depends on which delegate at the Denver/Phoenix Borg Central is assigned to whom) be told how to do things, when they don't need to be told how to do things.

Yup. Though the smart editors will listen to what they are being told ... a lesson from wise-old deposed Uncle Chris.

Chris O., Tuesday, 25 October 2005 19:10 (eighteen years ago) link

VV already uses film reviews from london T1me Out, or has done. but they have a good team, and it's a *team*, which is important?

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 19:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, NT's film reveiwers are a good team,. too ... most of em work out of LA together.

Chris O., Tuesday, 25 October 2005 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Re: papers in smaller markets, there's absolutely a tension between growing up and becoming corporate here. I sometimes write for a paper in the town where I live, that's run by exactly three owners who have big plans and a deep loyalty to the community. I've met more fascinating people around town and gotten a better feel for where I live from writing for that paper than any of my other gigs, and I've also had more opportunity to learn and screw up, because fewer than 10,000 people will ever see it. But when push comes to shove, my hard work goes to bigger papers - including ones where my editors are dicks and I don't have a future - because of cash, or exposure, or whatever other reason. I wish the paper in my town would become more professional, make the paychecks regular and live up to all the potential that we all see for it when we're having beers and talking about it. Why can't they get more advertisers, cut the weaker writers, steal people from the local daily's arts section, etc.? Wouldn't it be great if they could pay for a full-time music editor? But once you grow, you invite other problems.

save the robot (save the robot), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Though the smart editors will listen to what they are being told ... a lesson from wise-old deposed Uncle Chris

haha thanks for making my blood run cold!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Sure, indie isn't meant to mean The Solution; as w) indie rock, lots of probs, but not all of 'em have all the same problems; as with the biggies, you just have to know when to jump (Where to jump? Can never know for sure, even when you get there, unless you're staffbait mebbe, but I sense that most of us here are freelancers.)

don, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link

"listening to what is being told" is not necessary the same "doing what is being told"... then again, I'm not sure what Chris O. meant by "smart."

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:31 (eighteen years ago) link

As someone who contributes very occasionally to the Voice, and very regularly to a New Times paper (I'm in the Cleveland Scene more or less every week) I don't see what the big fucking problem is.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

listening=doing/less fighting ... smart=still employed by NT. :-)

a little "I've moved on" humor there ...

Chris O., Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:47 (eighteen years ago) link

being employed /= being employed by NT, though, is the thing

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, it's not like your deposing made you completely unemployable or anything, right? I just don't like the implication, however unintended, that NT employment is some kind of be-all end-all.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Phil, I think the big problem is if you're a unionized Voice employee and you're worrying that the non-union New Times chain will take on the union and further reduce pay and benefits that the union fought for...Also, as described above, the non-musical content of such papers tends to differ. As a music critic freelancer there may be no difference for you in submitting short music reviews though (although the New Times monopoly may try to push freelance rates down even further).

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Just had the company meeting here, and a beer, which might not be the best combination. So I'll be rude now and say: This is not "growth." One business eating another business is not growth. It's a corporate buyout. The individual businesses involved could as easily be shrunk as a result.

One possible welcome effect: better movie reviews from more reviewers.

I see how it's welcome, but I don't see how it's possible.

Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 21:39 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost to Matos:

I see your point. Definitely not intended to make it sound end-all be-all. My situation is my situation. I found it tough to work for them.

Chris O., Tuesday, 25 October 2005 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Should make it clear -- I've moved on and have a good gig in NYC now. PHX was a good albeit kinda rough learning experience ...

... not gonna say anything else.

Chris O., Tuesday, 25 October 2005 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link

What's your gig now?

don, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Chris, you're basically saying what I'm thinking, and so is Pete Scholtes, as usual.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Copy and research editor at This Old House ... life is a funny thing, man.

Chris O., Tuesday, 25 October 2005 23:23 (eighteen years ago) link

The TV show? Or is there a magazine now? That sounds interesting. Not music! There's a thought. ( You-you mean there are other things in the world?!)

don, Wednesday, 26 October 2005 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Voice editor resigns:

http://villagevoice.com/news/0549,murphy,70679,2.html

Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 6 December 2005 02:06 (eighteen years ago) link

wow.

geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

wow!

oh, yeah, like the guy resigned, wow.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 03:01 (eighteen years ago) link

dang, that didn't work.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 03:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Managing editor Doug Simmons has been at the Voice a long time now himself...He used to write about music way back when...

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

has anybody else quit?

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I quit reading the paper in 1996 -- does that count?

Someone (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 00:36 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
So rumors are ciricling that the New Times axe is starting to fall across the music editors in the former Village Voice Media-owned papers and that Chuck Eddy may be looking for work soon.

jeffree, Friday, 10 March 2006 19:06 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe he can start a blog.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 March 2006 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link

For whatever it's worth, the "rumor" is news to me (both the axes and me looking for a job soon). So far, I've been left alone to do my job.

(I'm not gonna post here again; just thought people might be curious.)

xhuxk, Friday, 10 March 2006 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link

(it does seem kinda rude to circulate "rumors" - esp. personal/professional ones - about people that actually post here)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 March 2006 19:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Quite. Since Chuck has graciously responded we will leave it at that but Jeffree might want to rethink his approach in future.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 March 2006 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Agreed.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 10 March 2006 19:18 (eighteen years ago) link

or post under his real name.

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 10 March 2006 19:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes yes, quite.

cracking sherry, this (nabisco), Friday, 10 March 2006 19:20 (eighteen years ago) link

And I would have gotten away with that joke, too, if it weren't for Mark P and his meddling cross-posts.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 10 March 2006 19:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Toast, Gromit?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 March 2006 19:21 (eighteen years ago) link

"I want six words on MCR in my inbox by Monday!"

Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 10 March 2006 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Writing six words on
My Chemical Romance soon;
A bird flies nearby

Not Haikunym (Ned), Friday, 10 March 2006 19:29 (eighteen years ago) link

that was rude, but i love how all the freelancers kiss each others asses and make public shows of support for each other.

like it's gonna get you any work.

midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Friday, 10 March 2006 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

cynicism.jpg

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 10 March 2006 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link

i love how all the freelancers kiss each others asses and make public shows of support for each other.

You're fired.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 10 March 2006 19:40 (eighteen years ago) link

i've gotten work from ilm. i'm hardly the only one.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 10 March 2006 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link

i've gotten work from ilm. i'm hardly the only one.

You're hired.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 10 March 2006 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean, it's not like i hang out in rock critic bars on the rock critic side of town. you know?

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 10 March 2006 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

and i like writing. might as well make the most of things!

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 10 March 2006 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link

but not as funny as the cult of Sasha.

midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Friday, 10 March 2006 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link

xxpost

33 1/3rd St.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 10 March 2006 19:44 (eighteen years ago) link

most of the VVM music editors are already gone! they left of their own accord! hicks left city pages, matos left seattle weekly, friskics-warren left the scene...all within a few weeks of each other. it's kind of frightening, actually.

geeta (geeta), Friday, 10 March 2006 19:44 (eighteen years ago) link

i've gotten work from ilm. i'm hardly the only one.

Indeed, and I won't complain.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 March 2006 19:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I heard that ILX is going to be fired soon.

Definitely Not Da Na Not! (donut), Friday, 10 March 2006 19:59 (eighteen years ago) link

quarterly shares per nanosecond

http://staff.imsa.edu/science/geophysics/atmosphere/structure/ilx.gif

Da Na Not! (donut), Friday, 10 March 2006 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9178/orly1rk.jpg

midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Friday, 10 March 2006 20:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd like some work. Whose ass do I have to kiss?

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Friday, 10 March 2006 20:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Results!

http://www.ably.co.jp/ilx/img/ilx.jpg

Da Na Not! (donut), Friday, 10 March 2006 20:04 (eighteen years ago) link

most of the VVM music editors are already gone! they left of their own accord! hicks left city pages, matos left seattle weekly, friskics-warren left the scene...all within a few weeks of each other.

Sam Chennault left Miami NT before as well. Today is my last day at the office. Just moved my office stuff into storage. Apartment gets packed this upcoming week, then off to NYC.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 10 March 2006 20:35 (eighteen years ago) link


Have Gun, Will Travel reads the card of a man,
A knight without armor in a savage land.
His fast gun for hire, heeds the calling wind,
A soldier of fortune is the man called Matos.
Matos, Matos, where do you roam?
Matos, Matos, far, far, from home.

He travels on to wherever he must:
A chess knight of silver is his badge of trust.
There are campfire legends that the plainsmen spin
Of the man with the gun, of the man called Mi-ch-ael-ang-elo.
Matos, Matos, where do you roam?
Matos, Matos, Far, far, from home.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 10 March 2006 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I love you.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 March 2006 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Mi-ch-ael-ang-elo

"-ch-"?

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 10 March 2006 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link

matos your new landlord isn't named ralph by any chance, is he? cause i heard about the block you're moving to, and I USED TO LIVE ON THAT BLOCK! at #69, naturally. i am very very happy about your imminent return!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 10 March 2006 20:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know who the landlord is; it's a small-BR sublet for a couple months while I find a real place.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 10 March 2006 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link

good stuff.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 10 March 2006 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

First Starbucks and now Matoses! What neighborhood did you end up picking?

Also, Da Na Not!, is your screen name the guitar line from Helmet's "Unsung"

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 10 March 2006 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I knew Sam left MNT but...you guys are making funnies about the other music editor change-ups, right? RIGHT?

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 10 March 2006 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link

i have accepted a well-paid position on burmese public radio

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 10 March 2006 21:23 (eighteen years ago) link

i leave april 1st

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 10 March 2006 21:23 (eighteen years ago) link

boom-boom

no, Raymond, I'm leaving, Dylan left, Friskics-Warren is leaving.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 10 March 2006 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Chris: Park Slope

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 10 March 2006 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Is everyone leaving because of the New Times or is it just a coincidence?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 March 2006 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Having to run syndicated film reviews from other NT papers is making VV copy editors collectively weep. Gnashing of teeth and rending of garment soon to follow if this happens with music as well.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Friday, 10 March 2006 21:44 (eighteen years ago) link

NT sucks, everybody knows it.

Sadly here in SF the SFBGuardian has a hard time competing (tho they DEF. have the better music writing staff - Kimberly Chun is great). The SFWeekly is totally trying to kill em, steal their ad dollars, etc. Oddly the SFWeekly just lost its music editor as well...

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 March 2006 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link

SFWeekly just lost its music editor as well...

before or after Jennifer Maerz took over? I'm guessing you mean before--Jennifer just started there a couple months ago.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 10 March 2006 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, Da Na Not!, is your screen name the guitar line from Helmet's "Unsung"

It was initially meant to be just a bad Sha Na Na pun, but now that my now former appellation reminds me of Helmet thanks to you, I've changed it immediately!

Yoo Doo Nut (donut), Friday, 10 March 2006 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't hate Helmet or anything. I just don't want to think of that song every day now...(because your observation was very OTM)

Yoo Doo Nut (donut), Friday, 10 March 2006 22:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Matos I'm referring to Garrett Kamps.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 March 2006 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

All I can say is: if any changes to the affected weeklies are going to make these papers approximate the LA Weekly today, especially in markets like Minneapolis and Seattle, the weeklies are going to suuuuuuck, and probably die. I've never read a paper so insipid and unmomentous.

Everything about the current LA Weekly -- design, font choices, articles, and all -- scream "ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ".

Yoo Doo Nut (donut), Friday, 10 March 2006 22:43 (eighteen years ago) link

aint that the truth.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 March 2006 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I doubt any of the pre-buyout VVM papers are going to be the model for anything.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 10 March 2006 23:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think you can actually scream "ZZZZZZZZ."

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 10 March 2006 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, the Voice itself is being made much more like the New Times papers, not the other way around. That's probably going to be how it goes everywhere else.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 10 March 2006 23:30 (eighteen years ago) link

So a national trend of false quotes and lawsuits then.

Yoo Doo Nut (donut), Friday, 10 March 2006 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

now, now

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 10 March 2006 23:48 (eighteen years ago) link

east bay express still intact for the time being?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 10 March 2006 23:59 (eighteen years ago) link

if i hear the words "rocky media landscape" one more time, i will eat my hat

geeta (geeta), Saturday, 11 March 2006 00:10 (eighteen years ago) link

http://ianandmanda.typepad.com/blog/files/rocks-mt-well.jpg

Zwan (miccio), Saturday, 11 March 2006 00:22 (eighteen years ago) link

East Bay Express is GREAT! For awhile there had better music writing than both the SFWeekly and the Bay Guardian.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 11 March 2006 00:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Welcome to Park Slope, Matos!

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Saturday, 11 March 2006 01:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Excelsior &c.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 11 March 2006 01:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Oddly the SFWeekly just lost its music editor as well...

Garrett still works for SF Weekly. He moved to the front of the book.

save the robot (save the robot), Saturday, 11 March 2006 02:56 (eighteen years ago) link

In the last Village Voice Clubrat Special podcast Christgau says "...the Dean of American Rock Critics, Robert Christgau -- soon to be deposed, by the way, they're kicking me out..."

Does anyone know if this is true?

Chuck B, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

The Larry Summers of the music journalism world.

Mitya (mitya), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I think he meant American rock critics no longer want him to be their dean.

Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link

wait, you just admitted to listening to a Christgau podcast?

meth lab for doug flutie (sanskrit), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link

he comes off like a hip larry king!

ant@work, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I just noticed that Riff Raff is GONE from the music page. Does this mean that they fired Nick, or just that his blog’s on “hiatus”?

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:39 (eighteen years ago) link

still there:
http://villagevoice.com/blogs/riffraff/

senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:44 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, okay, but:

http://villagevoice.com/music/

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link

my point being that the LINKS to riff raff aren't there on the main music page.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

they're under the "music" heading.
they'll probably start posting links to the individual posts when/if he starts up again next month

senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:51 (eighteen years ago) link

...

Nick Sylvester, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Indeed.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Welcome home.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I wouldn't be so sanguine, Ray.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Sadly here in SF the SFBGuardian has a hard time competing

Really? I don't know anyone who reads the SF Weekly.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

-- Nick Sylvester

How much will you have to be paid off to go away for at least a year?

Scrof Rufus, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm basing my judgment of the current SFWeekly vs. SFBG landscape on friends quitting the Guardian, the Guardian complaining (very LOUDLY) about the SFWeekly cutting into their ad revenue, the shrinking of the paper size, the recent switch to a crappier and lower-grade layout, etc. Kimberly Chun is awesome, and there are lots of things I like about the Guardian (I even approve of Brugman's often histrionic anti-PG&E/pro-public power crusade, for example) but it just seems like their days are numbered, to me.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 23:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Really? I would wager it's the other way aroung actually.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 23:57 (eighteen years ago) link

well, I don't know anyone that works at the Weekly (as I did with the Guardian), so if there are "sinking ship" horror stories goin around that office, I wouldn't know.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 00:05 (eighteen years ago) link

are there any instances of a local beating out a New Times competitor? I'm genuinely curious.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 00:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Shakey, the New Times L.A. paper was beaten by the Voice L.A. paper. (But now the New Times people are the Voice.) My impression back in the late '90s (based on no evidence but the Guardian's untrustworthy ranting) was that the S.F. Weekly was a money loser that New Times was using to get themselves in the SF market (much like the Post in New York). Maybe they're playing a long game, thinking that if the Guardian goes down, then the market will be theirs. In Denver, the New Times' real competition is The Onion, and my guess is that might be true elsewhere at all. But all of this post is guesswork, and any resemblance to reality is entirely coincidental.

(Nick S., hope you're doing well; drop by the country and teenpop threads.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link

"elsewhere at all" = "elsewhere as well"

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

My SFBG contacts are more worried about The Onion than the SF Weekly.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Steve I didn't know yr ex was the promo director at KUSF. what the fuck man.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Nobody should sweat it. The newspaper I write for has been owned by three different companies in the past year. Welcome to 2006.

Mr _Deeds (Mr_Deeds), Thursday, 23 March 2006 07:35 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
please note that this is just speculation at this time, but this, from Gawker seems particularly upsetting for any fans that the Voice still has.

http://www.gawker.com/news/village-voice/voice-to-can-classic-rockers-168088.php

Voice’ to Can Classic Rockers?
READ MORE: Village Voice, critics, jobs, music

20051014vv.jpgWith the caveat that we have absolutely no idea that this is really true, a source claiming to be familiar with the goings-on at Village Voice Media HQ in Phoenix passes along this prognostication:

"Thought you’d like a little crystal ball into the impending shitstorm at the Voice: Christgau and Eddy are getting the boot (apparently today) and it looks like they’ll be replaced by one of the guys from the Phoenix establishment. But, look on the bright side, at least Sylvester shot himself in the foot before he could get the job."

Is the tipster right or wrong? Are big-deal rock writers Robert Christgau and Chuck Eddy about to be kicked out onto Cooper Square? If you’ve got any info, let us know. And we’ll update when we know more.

that's so taylrr (ken taylrr), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link

not chuck eddy :(

Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 21:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not a Christgau fan by any means, but come on... I spent my teenage years in Phoenix and the people who write about music for the New Times are hacks. Christgau may have shitty tase--in my opinion--and he may write about things 6 months too late, but at least he can write!

That said, I'll save my rage for when they can Hoberman.

Hatch (Hatch), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

They've updated, "confirming" that Chuck is gone. What a drag.

someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

the pitchforking of music criticism is nigh

gear (gear), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I won't believe it til Chuck says it.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 22:18 (eighteen years ago) link

A Voice colleague has confirmed it to me offlist. :(

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 22:21 (eighteen years ago) link

wtf?

sean gramophone (Sean M), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 22:22 (eighteen years ago) link

we should PROTEST

Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

my phone is blowing up with this news. rotsa ruck, new village times. you're going to need it.

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 22:30 (eighteen years ago) link

the only ruck they need is continued advertising revenue. isn't that what the tranny escorts are for?

the enduring pueblo (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 22:33 (eighteen years ago) link

"all tranny escort ads must henceforth stay under 60 words"

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 22:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Is it true that this guy is slated to replace Chuck:

http://cache.gawker.com/topic/andy.jpg

polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

hmmm firing Christgau seems kinda stupid.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know about Xgau. I was only talking about Chuck. Sorry if I've misled anyone.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 22:42 (eighteen years ago) link

"And we’ve learned that Robert Christgau apparently ended his last podcast — yes, we know someone who listens to them, ashamed though we are about it — certain that he, too, was about to fired."

http://www.gawker.com/news/village-voice/village-voice-chuck-eddy-has-left-the-building-168111.php

Martin Van Buren (Martin Van Buren), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 22:47 (eighteen years ago) link

The Xuxk, Xgau support thread

Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Thread deleted it says.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 23:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Who's being a douchebag, dudebro? This totally deserves its own thread.

Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 23:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Jess wants to wait until his CV is rejected before he lets anyone start up another Village Voice thread.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 23:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Well then he should have said that then. I'll go start a Suri Cruise thread then

Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 23:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I actually listened to the latest podcast just to hear what he said, but it was from April 5 and no allusiosn of any kind.

someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Fucking Christ this makes me angry

If they let Hoberman go, too, they might as well burn it the fuck down

(Maybe there should be a Norman Mailer support thread, too)

Roque Strew (RoqueStrew), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 23:19 (eighteen years ago) link

8:04 PM, 18 Apr 06 The Xuxk, Xgau support thread deleted by strongo hulkington is a guy with a belly button piercing (dont be a douchebag, douchebag)
http://ilx.wh3rd.net/adminlog.php?board=2

uh, I just assumed someone has created a trollish thread. Did Jimmy create a sincere one? I think a "best wishes, we'll miss you" thread would be kind of appropriate, considering Chuck will likely see it, and Xgau was a (one time?) poster.

they better not touch Hoberman.

jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 23:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I think that this deserves its own thread.
I also think I'm not the one to start it.

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 23:45 (eighteen years ago) link

i started it - new eds. say voice music section "too academic"?

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 23:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I noticed last week that the Dallas Observer is now re-running the previous week's movie reviews from the Voice, thus eliminating the only reason I bothered to pick it up.

Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:13 (eighteen years ago) link

This is terrible news. I have disagreed sometimes with Christgau's opinions, but come on, this is lame.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Can anyone confirm Christgau is actually out at this point, or is this just speculation?

jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Christgau isn't out.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 03:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Gawker just says that Christgau thinks he is about to get fired. Hopefully the union can take action on Eddy's behalf against New Times as they are doing for Ridgeway.

curmudgeon (Steve K), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 03:39 (eighteen years ago) link

i wouldn't count on it to be honest.

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 03:41 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah why would xxxcx want to get back on that horse now, the nag's dead

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 03:41 (eighteen years ago) link

would they fuck with hoberman?

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 08:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes and no. I think they're picking off the weaker members of the herd, the high profile firings will come in the summer (though Ridgeway down already is shocking). Are the "tenured" senior writers/editors really making that much in pay or benefits? I don't know, I'm a concerned reader, not a contributor.

I just remembered Jerry Saltz once hit on my girlfriend. UNEMPLOYMENT IS A BITCH JERRY.

jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 10:05 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe more to the point: why would they fuck with hoberman? what do they want the voice to be at the end of this? they seem to be getting rid of exactly the things that differentiate it from other publications...

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 10:09 (eighteen years ago) link

they seem to be getting rid of exactly the things that differentiate it from other publications

you're absolutely right, but the economies of scale of running 17 papers under one editorial staff make these nyc firings kind of a fait accompli. you can't syndicate a review of a film that won't screen in the smaller markets, so one assumes the editors will publish the lowest common denominator.

jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 10:33 (eighteen years ago) link

you can't syndicate a review of a film that won't screen in the smaller markets, so one assumes the editors will publish the lowest common denominator.

True, but the film market is more important than the music one, so I'd assume you'll see fewer film syndicated reviews in the Voice for that very reason. They'll need and want to cover things in the Voice that will never screen in, say, Phoenix.

someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 12:18 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah word is born, things like the rivette retro simply son't be on *anywhere else in the world*, so there is a kind of safe-guard.

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 12:23 (eighteen years ago) link

word is born, my friend. word is born indeed.

jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:33 (eighteen years ago) link

they slashed the Voice film budget by two-thirds, it's not as if they're all that hot for original film content there

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:15 (eighteen years ago) link

they seem more reliant on staffers at the moment.

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:17 (eighteen years ago) link

The Voice has had some embarassing reviews over the last year. Either staffers or first-time freelancers or something. The review of The Devil's Rejects sticks out, because it was basically OMG THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ELECT GEORGE BUSH. A huge huge WTF.

Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 18:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Fucking great. Chuck's VV stuff was among the few things there that didn't make me ralph--to wit, I enjoyed it, and have found lotsa new neat stuff thanks to his efforts.

NT blows the chucks of Satan, and you can quote me.

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 19:35 (eighteen years ago) link

fwiw "more local investigative reporting" sounds like a good way for the paper to be headed, i mean it is the village voice ffs, not The Nation.

also, i never liked "shelter", couldn't believe it lasted as long as it did, and to my mind "press clips" was what it was because of cynthia cotts, who hasn't written it in years. the voice DOES need a shakeup, DESPERATELY. but firing people who wanted it shaken up in the first place, and who would have worked to make things better, just seems bizarre to me.

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Eh, Jim Ledbetter >>>> Cotts

Martin Van Buren (Martin Van Buren), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 20:28 (eighteen years ago) link

oh yeah, i forgot about him!! i liked cotts a lot, though.

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

look at all these net geeks dick getting hard for this shit, go read NME or something instead. Go listen to block party or sonmething, dumb students.

Anti geek, Thursday, 20 April 2006 10:01 (eighteen years ago) link

who is the best write out there? me. i keeps it pretentiousless.

anti geek, Thursday, 20 April 2006 10:54 (eighteen years ago) link

status: hood

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Thursday, 20 April 2006 11:11 (eighteen years ago) link

the voice DOES need a shakeup, DESPERATELY. but firing people who wanted it shaken up in the first place, and who would have worked to make things better, just seems bizarre to me.

-- Tracey Hand (tracerhan...), April 19th, 2006 5:16 PM.

I was just thinking that this morning - Voice is far from perfect and could use some well-placed kicks, but the Stalin routine is overkill.

Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 20 April 2006 12:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, yeah, what's happening isn't really a shakeup, is it? Its an attempt to impose the standardized template that NT uses for all its papers.

xxxpost Ha, I remember that awful Devil's Rejects rev, urgrghh!!!

Martin Van Buren (Martin Van Buren), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I really loved "Shelter," especially in its later years when Schlesinger's writing was getting more and more playful & she was messing with the borders of the column's format. It never got stale for me.

Douglas (Douglas), Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:00 (eighteen years ago) link

if it's true about chuck, it's very sad. didn't always agree, but he knew his shit, and knew how to know his shit (if that makes any sense).

plus, he was a supporter of legendary chicago power-popsters GREEN. can't go wrong there.

Lawrence the Looter (Lawrence the Looter), Thursday, 20 April 2006 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
the axing goes national - they cut loose the Dallas Observer's music editor last week.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 4 September 2006 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

And Xgau is x-ed out.

js (honestengine), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:18 (seventeen years ago) link

See the separate threads on Christgau's firings

x-post

"To better clarify, I was fired. I was not fired by anyone in this office in Dallas, but by a corporate office outside of Dallas. The reason on my goodbye letter says “you are being terminated today as a result of the performance issues we have discussed with you on multiple occasions.” I will better dispute both the “performance issues” and the “multiple occasions” in the near future..." -former Dallas Observer music editor Sam Machkovech from his myspace blog

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link

If he doesn't know better than to publish that on his blog, then you have to wonder what he did to get fired.

save the robot (save the robot), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 01:08 (seventeen years ago) link

yes, after all we must be sure to never do anything that would piss off our new times overlords in the future

PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 01:09 (seventeen years ago) link

"performance issues" makes it sound like he had wobbly gaskets

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 01:38 (seventeen years ago) link

"you are being terminated because your Level-2 cache is insufficient for today's processor-intensive applications"

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 01:44 (seventeen years ago) link

watch me shoot down my future career prospects while drunk: new times media can suck my cock until i cum blood

PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 01:45 (seventeen years ago) link

they should be flattered, that's a sweet offer

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 01:48 (seventeen years ago) link

If he doesn't know better than to publish that on his blog, then you have to wonder what he did to get fired.
Eh? What's wrong with posting that on your blog after you've been axed? Clearly New Times ain't hiring you for anything, and there's no competition in town.

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 01:55 (seventeen years ago) link

FWIW, my ltter from my Phoenix canning said simply "due to performance." And I never verbally got a concrete reason. And I got a promise of a reference and a month's severance. Not much of a firing, right? Doesn't mean much. Personally, I now think they did me a favor letting me go in light of the direction the company has gone, the tanking of music journalism this year and a lot of personal shit in my life that would have never gotten resolved had I continued as a municipal music editor.

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I hope this doesn't mean you have more time to post on ILM.

mr. brojangles (sanskrit), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

nah, using about the same amount of time ... :-)

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe the New Media folks read ILM and fire everyone who's ever posted on here.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 18:12 (seventeen years ago) link

bye bye saul williams sex column

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I am afraid to check to see if that actually exists.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 18:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe the New Media folks read ILM and fire everyone who's ever posted on here.

Maybe we started ILM as one of many performance benchmark tools/guttersnipe filters we ultimately plan on licensing on a B2B basis for a host of workplace functions. Coming soon: I love TacosTM,I love editing videoTM, I love scalping ticketsTM.

cc:Everyone who's fired and gonna be fired

New Times Folks (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I am afraid to check to see if that actually exists.

don't search for the momus medical advice column then, either.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link

The Washington City Paper Arts editor quit on his own back in June and the following ad's been running since that time:

ARTS EDITOR. THE
posted 06/23/2006
Arts Editor. The Washington City Paper needs an arts editor to help us rethink our award-winning arts section from the ground up. We’re looking for someone who’s addled by pop culture, who’s equally comfortable with brows high and low, who can effortlessly absorb our editorial sensibility (hint: Start working on your puns now). You’ll develop and nurture a stable of freelancers and channel the efforts of our own staffers. Your ability to direct and edit coverage across boundaries must be unsurpassed­-we need someone who’s conversant about Francis Picabia and Park Chan-wook and can glimpse the eternal in freak folk and Mamet. The ideal candidate will astonish us every week. Send a cover letter and resume to: Arts Editor, Washington City Paper, 2390 Champlain St. NW, Washington, DC 20009; artseditor@washingtoncitypaper.

cornyrocker (DC Steve), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 02:57 (seventeen years ago) link

can glimpse the eternal in freak folk

"interminable," i think they meant

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 03:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe we started ILM

Your name ain't Tom Ewing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 03:13 (seventeen years ago) link

start working on your puns?

a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 03:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, or else.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 03:21 (seventeen years ago) link

so do i need a GED?

a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 03:21 (seventeen years ago) link

or just some good puns?

a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 03:22 (seventeen years ago) link

equally comfortable with bros hi and lo

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 03:24 (seventeen years ago) link

t or f: a year from now hi and lois will be too highbrow/leftist for the village voice

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 03:26 (seventeen years ago) link

"So there's this great new web comic I think we should run, Day by Day."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 03:31 (seventeen years ago) link

btw you guys know that newsmax site? they'll have those awful gif's on drudgereport with stuff like 'who hate's america most?' and the choices are osama, hillary, and michael moore? anyhow turns out they put out a glossy! saw it at publix earlier - thing's really awful, worse than talk magazine even.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 03:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey, if it helps with bankruptcy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 03:35 (seventeen years ago) link

anyhow here's the thing - i've read an issue of newsmax more recently than i've read the village voice. and i suspect that will hold for awhile.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 03:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Mr. Soul Coughing's take on Christgau's sacking below. Was NY Press ever vital though?

http://www.mikedoughty.com/blog/

"I've snarked at him plenty, but ultimately much respect.

Funny that my old alma mater, the NYPress, has been able to maintain
its pose--that of the drunken self-destructor--longer than the Voice's progressive-avenger pose. Not that the Press is vital in the least anymore. Both papers lost the people that justified/created those personas years ago.

New York is the city of Time Out. I never would've thought so when it debuted. It seemed so laughably gee-whiz, I thought they'd fold in a month. But New York is like that now. (I really, really don't want to be the "I miss the rats on Rivington Street" guy, OK?) The children move here for fantasies of Sex and the City, expensive shoes and bottle-service clubs, not squats and art and rock and roll.

And I, and I think everybody else, goes looking for their drunken self-destructors and progressive avengers out in the blogosphere. I pass the street corner boxes that distribute the Voice and the Press, and man, they look sad. Moribund."

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 03:56 (seventeen years ago) link

"Your ability to direct and edit coverage across boundaries must be unsurpassed -we need someone who’s conversant about Francis Picabia and Park Chan-wook and can glimpse the eternal in freak folk and Mamet."

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 04:15 (seventeen years ago) link

The children move here for fantasies of Sex and the City, expensive shoes and bottle-service clubs, not squats and art and rock and roll.

How nice that his fantasies are more valid, apparently.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 04:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Curmudgeon is pretty much OTM - for most of Manhattan, at least.

Is there anything genuinely good on the rise in Brooklyn? The Rail?

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 04:33 (seventeen years ago) link

How nice that his fantasies are more valid, apparently.

They're more egalitarian, at least.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Are they or is it just fetishization?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:45 (seventeen years ago) link

ned adores his manolo blahniks

timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I adore my Manolo Blahniks too, but I'm more impressed by people striving to create than people striving to be served.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link

While I am as well, I'll be damned if I see that as a sign of moral superiority. (Which may not be what Doughty is trying to convey, I'll grant, but the aftertaste is there. Doughty himself was never a 'kid' or anything, oh no.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't think he's trying to convey moral superiority so much as "what made ny cool and a great place to live for me and people i know is changing"

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link

which is a very personal lament and not an objective moral critique.

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, fair enough. But I get the same feeling like what Todd Haynes did at the end of Velvet Goldmine, namely that *he* felt the art while the 'kids' are just sheep. Charming, maybe unavoidable, and I'm hardly guiltless I'm sure. But it's ugly and I will call it out.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

(I knew that old article I wrote for FT on said film was around somewhere, here it is.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Ned looking down from his lofty computer shocka.

shookout (shookout), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

"But it's ugly and I will call it out."

Not that I like the Soul Coughing guy much, but I don't see much ugliness in that bit. Mostly just resignation to the fact that the city's changed.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link

ha, coincidentally i'm working on something about haynes right now (immersed in safe at the moment, soon to move on to vg. i think you're right about that moment, ned, and i think what makes the difference between haynes and dery is that haynes' sadness is personal -- the things that mattered to him have been degraded and usurped. but he doesn't allow that to be an all-encompassing condemnation, or rule out the possibility of other things meaning something to other people that they don't to him. which, at least on the basis of your dery quote, it sounds like dery is. anyway, you've made me anxious to finish up my safe section so i can get on to goldmine.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 18:06 (seventeen years ago) link

you could put the quote into the mouth of someone like Stephin Merritt and I don't think anyone would blink

Hee hee hee.

I feel like the point of Goldmine was less about the particular genre of music and more about aging. Maybe that's too optimistic though.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm with ya on the dery thing, Ned, but the reading into the Parks quote is really ssstttteeeeeeeeeretching it. Do you still stand by that?

i need to see VG again, i liked it at the time but felt it was only 75% successful (that citizen kane rip thing was not so good). SAFE pwns pretty much everything else he ever did, except maybe the Karen Carpenter-as-doll opus.

timmy tannin (pompous), Thursday, 7 September 2006 06:05 (seventeen years ago) link

i think safe is a better movie -- it's an amazing movie, really -- but i enjoy velvet goldmine more anyway. i'm pretty much a fan of everything of his except poison, which leaves me cold. (it's interesting, but not interesting enough.) the karen carpenter movie is great too.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 7 September 2006 06:21 (seventeen years ago) link

(looping the haynes discussion back to the voice, didn't the voice critics poll name safe the best film of the '90s?)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 7 September 2006 06:31 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't like Poison either.
i would definitely have Safe in my top 5 of the 90s. (and i'm glad hoberman lives on, but it's probably a matter of time before he bites it too, no?)

timmy tannin (pompous), Thursday, 7 September 2006 06:34 (seventeen years ago) link

that the only letter re: xgau xit they published this week says 'it's only a matter of time til hoberman's fired' certainly doesn't seem a vote of confidence. safe was the voice's pick for best flick of the nineties, obv incredibly great movie.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 7 September 2006 11:02 (seventeen years ago) link

such a wonderful blend of bergman and crichton. definitely one of my fave movies. i've always considered it a great feel-good movie. it never fails to cheer me up. (i had to try really hard to get to the end of velvet goldmine. i knew it had to end eventually.)

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 7 September 2006 11:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Safe is awesome! watched it again last year on somebody's bigscreen TV, liked it even more. I really wanted to love Velvet Goldmine, maybe I need to see it on something bigger than my TV.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Thursday, 7 September 2006 12:00 (seventeen years ago) link

safe is such a great movie to watch stoned. along with persona and the andromeda strain. make it a triple-feature!

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 7 September 2006 12:32 (seventeen years ago) link

from the webpage

2006-09-05: Reports of My Dismissal Have Been Reasonably Accurate

On August 31, I was terminated by the new owners of The Village Voice along with four other senior editors, two gifted designers, and half of the two-person photo department. The mass layoff was characterized as a "restructuring," but I was fired "for taste." Because our union long ago anticipated the possibility of this kind of drastic overhaul, a contractually mandated severance arrangement will give me some time to get my economic future in order. But the specifics of that future probably won't be clear for a while.

The Voice changed a lot over the 37 years I wrote there and 32 years I was employed there. I haven't approved of all those changes, especially over the past decade. But for most of that time, with our unionization when Rupert Murdoch purchased the paper in 1977 a turning point, the Voice paid me to write well. My old bosses always understood that constructing a well-informed essay takes time, and that sorting, grading, and saying something honest and original about an incomprehensible plethora of records takes forever. I am grateful for the support my editors gave me, although I certainly believe I gave them surplus value back. But how my worklife is to proceed remains to be seen. I'll be letting you know in this space when I know myself.

Let me take this opportunity to say how very grateful I am, first simply for the interest all the visitors to this site have taken in my work, but especially for the labor volunteered by a few. Tom Hull's contribution is of course inestimable. The condolence notes Tom has forwarded to me have been much appreciated. I'll be OK. Like they say, it's too late to stop now. Or was that can't stop won't stop? Either way, both ways, I'll be in touch, and I'll be listening.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 8 September 2006 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link

The thing is, even if the Voice were still at its peak of quality, it wouldn't be at its peak of hip credibilty and influence, because things are so de-centralized now, with the Wuh Wuh (incl that thread about current proliferation of zines, even)And that was kind of true even when most people weren't online yet, there were hell of a lot of zines by the mid-80s, at least. So, it's not as devastating (or significant) as would have been some years ago.

don (dow), Saturday, 9 September 2006 04:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Which not to say I don't feel bad for Bob and Chuck and many others who have gotten canned.Glad to see Chuck's back writing there (and elsewhere).

don (dow), Saturday, 9 September 2006 04:18 (seventeen years ago) link

the new (new) village voice = the new (old) pitchfork!?
http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0637,cavalieri,74418,22.html

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link

hahaha, they've even got ott

running in circles (running in circles), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh man, the comments on that one.

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

from cherry picking pitchfork to taking their table crumbs

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Everybody plays the fool, sometime.

Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link

a plague o' both your blogdoms!

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:26 (seventeen years ago) link

safe is such a great movie to watch stoned.

Oh, so THAT's why it sucks. (the 2d half anyway)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I travel to the Jersey shore about once a month, and I used to look forward to picking up the Voice, which you could find at almost any convenience store. Sad thing is, the last couple of visits I haven't been able to find it *anywhere*.

I mourn, but also wonder; been killed vs. been dying a slow death for years?

safe is such a great movie to watch stoned.

Oh, so THAT's why it sucks. (the 2d half anyway)

-- Dr Morbius (wjwe...)

That's a bit like saying the second half of A Clockwork Orange sucks. Sure, there are tone shifts, but they're necessary and integral. Safe in my top 10, too, though I'd hazard against watching it stoned (at least the first time). I would like to hear Scott expound on its uplifting qualities, however...

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link

o it's been dying a slow death for years, xgau said as much, it's just kicked into hilarious overdrive now

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 15 September 2006 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

i have to admit i am tempted to stay tuned in to see if the new guard is able to discover a worse writer than amy phillips.

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 15 September 2006 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

The comment of choice, unsurprisingly:

harvilla on Tue Sep 12, 15:28, 2006, says:
aloha. voice mgmt. here with a message from the honorable nate cavalieri, author of the piece in question. have at you.

--

Ouch! And from a Village Voice Media colleague as well! The indignity!

I was a sometimes member of the Sights between 2002 and 2003, and played a whole bunch of gigs with them. The band exists and is touring still. They've likely played with the Black Keys somewhere along the way, but I don’t recall sharing a bill with the Black Keys during my tenure.

Also, I graduated from Oberlin College in 2000, where I studied music and creative writing, but my folks didn't have to shell out the entire 80k, thanks to a generous financial aid package. According to "the Goog," Denise graduated in 2003, but I don't recall meeting her there.

Finally, I've written about the Black Keys one other time professionally, in an article published in Detroit's Metro Times three years ago called "White Destriples," which reflected negatively on various two-piece garage/blues acts. I’ve written about them in my tear-soaked diary numerous times.

...

..."THE GOOG"?!?!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 15 September 2006 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Aw man. "The Gooch" has taken on a whole new meaning now.

http://thisisblythe.com/albums/albuo33/gooch.sized.jpeg

the dow nut industrial average dead joe mama besser (donut), Friday, 15 September 2006 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

arnold and willis will never be able to fight this

the dow nut industrial average dead joe mama besser (donut), Friday, 15 September 2006 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

THE GOOG!

Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Friday, 15 September 2006 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

What do you guys think about that M.Ward review/launching pad?

don (dow), Friday, 15 September 2006 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I cringed while copy editing it. The paragraph-long explanation of the game "It" made me wonder aloud if the author was being paid by the word. Struck me as boring fellatio.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Friday, 15 September 2006 22:38 (seventeen years ago) link

WHITE DESTRIPLES

free the butterfield 8 (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 15 September 2006 22:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, so THAT's why it sucks. (the 2d half anyway)

yeah i don't get this. the movie is a coherent whole, separating out the second half doesn't make sense.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 15 September 2006 23:09 (seventeen years ago) link

guys, if you're having trouble: The Goog = http://www.google.com/

Wrinklepossum's Awesome Blossom (Wrinklepaws), Friday, 15 September 2006 23:58 (seventeen years ago) link

haha leave it to wrinklepaws to decipher this horseshit

katie quirk (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 16 September 2006 00:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought it had something to do with Mad Max's buddy.

Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Saturday, 16 September 2006 00:13 (seventeen years ago) link

guys, if you're having trouble

Wrinklepaws, you sweet darling innocent. Let me send you some Nigerian spam.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 16 September 2006 00:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Mmm.

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Saturday, 16 September 2006 02:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Nigerian spam, that is.

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Saturday, 16 September 2006 02:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think I can get my head around the idea of someone who went to Oberlin writing the words "As The Black Key's drummer, Patrick Carney's girlfriend" in a public forum.

Eppy (Eppy), Saturday, 16 September 2006 13:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Zack Sally on Tool?

don (dow), Saturday, 16 September 2006 17:23 (seventeen years ago) link

More Dan Savage and party photo spreads.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Saturday, 16 September 2006 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link

four months pass...
Steve Perry leaves City Pages
http://blogs.citypages.com/pscholtes/2007/01/farewell_steve.asp

Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Thursday, 25 January 2007 21:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Founding editor of OC Weekly resigns the same week
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-ocweekly26jan26,1,7657742.story?coll=la-headlines-pe-california

Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Friday, 26 January 2007 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Whoa. That's *big* news for around here. I've met Will a few times, mostly right when it was starting, and while he had his own angle on things he always struck me as the right guy for the job. Very much another nail in the coffin -- which is really a pity because there's still been plenty of good local work done up through now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 26 January 2007 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link

More on Perry: http://www.startribune.com/535/story/955701.html

Van De Voorde called Hoffman "a writer and editor with experience in hard news" who would help City Pages do more investigative reporting and narrative writing -- two New Times hallmarks.

Since CP does plenty of investigative reporting and narrative writing, who knows wtf this is supposed to mean. Unless they want CP to start writing, you know, dumber.

Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Friday, 26 January 2007 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

the CP does excellent cover stories and news, esp. lately I think...last couple weeks have been great.

M@tt He1g3s0n: oh u mad cuz im stylin on u (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 26 January 2007 21:21 (seventeen years ago) link

This thread is among the most awesomest on ILM if only for this:

trust me -- i join you all in hoping to christ the VV papers stay exactly as they are in that regard. i want matos/sylvester/eddy exactly where they are, only more so.

-- awful bliss (harvill...), October 25th, 2005.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:55 (seventeen years ago) link

more investigative reporting and narrative writing -- two New Times hallmarks

riiiiiight.

maura (maura), Saturday, 27 January 2007 00:51 (seventeen years ago) link

oh goddamn i need to stop using 'em' on this board

maura (maura), Saturday, 27 January 2007 00:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Steve Perry was awesome.

don weiner (don weiner), Saturday, 27 January 2007 01:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow, I wish New Times would go away at this point. They're like an ex-girlfriend that keeps stalking me to remind me of all the ways I fucked up -- and got fucked over. :-)

But hey at least there's still music ... I caught up and heard the Christina Aguilera for the first time this week. Surprisingly great.

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Saturday, 27 January 2007 03:53 (seventeen years ago) link

"Married, Not Dead"--and a New Times Voice cover story yet, cuz there's not many interesting stories in, you know, New York.

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Saturday, 27 January 2007 08:06 (seventeen years ago) link

there's some new weekly that just started in Mpls called "Vita.mn"
it's wierd, i think it must be run by the star tribune or something.

i just started seeing it a few weeks ago, but this week i saw issues of it EVERYWHERE. i guess they think the city pages is vulnerable or something..

M@tt He1g3s0n: oh u mad cuz im stylin on u (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 27 January 2007 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Oy:

Yeah, it's supposed to sound that way. "Some Loud Thunder," the title track off CYHSY's sophomore release, is a fun, crisp pop song—all hand claps and cowbells and jangly guitar—fed through a haze of radio static, like it's crackling between AM channels on a long drive through the desert. A nostalgic gesture, I guess. But it's also hard not to be skeptical. This is a band that emerged in 2005 as though genetically engineered in some East Village basement to generate blogger appeal. Their first, self-titled disc was packed with all the hippest rock references—Talking Heads, Neutral Milk Hotel, etc.-—but instead of being angular and crisp, those influences sounded as if they'd been left out in to the sun too long and melted into something warped and druggy.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Sunday, 28 January 2007 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

ANGULAR ANGULAR ANGULAR

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 28 January 2007 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.drudgereport.com/siren.gif

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Sunday, 28 January 2007 15:41 (seventeen years ago) link

"something warped and druggy" = "I worked so hard to avoid using the 'like [BLANK] on drugs' cliché."

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 28 January 2007 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, plus how is Neutral Milk Hotel "crisp" and not "warped and druggy" to begin with?

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Sunday, 28 January 2007 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

BTW, does "CYHSY" stand for Crosby, Young, Hillman, Stills & Young?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 28 January 2007 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Also

-"Crisp" twice in one short paragraph
-"All the hippest musical references--Talking Heads, Neutral Milk Hotel"
-"Whoa, this sounds weird!" beginning

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Sunday, 28 January 2007 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link

-everything else about the paragraph

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Sunday, 28 January 2007 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link

-everything else about the rest of the article:

Frontman Alec Ounsworth sang like David Byrne and looked like a waiter at a vegan restaurant; like true hipsters, his band was accelerated and responsive, a psychedelic amoeba consuming rock idioms and excreting catchy little bits of digested zeitgeist. Take Thunder's dance-punk confection "Satan Said Dance," which wraps its pumping beat and twitchy chants in a swarm of electronic squiggles, belches, and bleeps, a rapturous sound that nonetheless sounds absolutely redolent of the Rapture. On top of all this, they had a silly name, and enough "DIY integrity" to flatten a polar bear. If they didn't happen to be so good, CYHSY would've been a pretty ingenious bit of meta-parody. As it stood, they were that rare rock item: a postmodern band that seemed to be genuinely, excitingly weird.

Sadly, knob-twiddling wooze-hound Dave Fridmann makes them sound very aware of all this on Thunder—the producer's atmospheric flourishes have always been heavy handed, but here they muddle tightly conceived pop tunes that would've sounded better scrappy. Too often, there's simply not enough of the band in the mix. What the record does have, though, is a collection of truly great melodies, and when the music focuses directly on them—meditating on simple chords—that new sense of sound and space offers moments of pure euphoria. "Emily Jean Stock" finds Ounsworth's strangled yelp riding the crest of a gorgeous Technicolor harmony, and the sub-aquatic "Five Easy Pieces," ripe for a Cameron Crowe love scene, is an equally beautiful bit of cycling mist. Time for a new producer. Two words: Danger Mouse.
send a letter to the editor

Wow

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Sunday, 28 January 2007 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I just found an article by Bret Gladstone on jambands.com, 'bout Phish. I don't want to laugh and say HA HA HE LIKES PHISH, but in retrospect his non-avoidance of certain clichés does make him sound like an interloper in an alternarama rockcrit world he doesn't passably understand.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 28 January 2007 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link

The sad thing is that xhucx probably would have slashed it to pieces AND given the guy a chance to do better.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Sunday, 28 January 2007 16:10 (seventeen years ago) link

like true hipsters, his band was accelerated and responsive, a psychedelic amoeba consuming rock idioms and excreting catchy little bits of digested zeitgeist

so, "a psychedelic amoeba consuming rock idioms and excreting catchy little bits of digested zeitgeist" is characteristic of any "true hipster"?

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 28 January 2007 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link

How much "DIY integrity" does it take to flatten a polar bear?

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Sunday, 28 January 2007 17:17 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.mytaxidermy.com/jpgs/gallery/rugs/polar01.jpg
PWNED BY CYHSY

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Sunday, 28 January 2007 17:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Jim Walsh out
http://www.mnspeak.com/mnspeak/archive/post-2775.cfm

Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:17 (seventeen years ago) link

ITS A BLOODBATH

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link

You guys realize this is the second thread of the day that's tearing apart Bret Gladstone's writing? Also see: Worst Music Writing 2007

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

(For two separate articles, it should be noted.)

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

"Two words: Danger Mouse" is so awful, it sounds like a parody.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I know!

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link

that rare rock item: a postmodern band that seemed to be genuinely, excitingly weird.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Chris zeigler resigned at OC weekly. This is getting stupid. Must all the talent be purged from New Times' VV papers?

under a rock (Uncle Tom), Friday, 2 February 2007 05:44 (seventeen years ago) link

"FLATTEN A POLAR BEAR"?!?!?

sleeve (sleeve), Friday, 2 February 2007 06:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Ziegler was not "purged" -- he quit. Sometimes people do move on, you know.

novamax (novamax), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link

The phrase 'jumped before pushed' comes to mind. (See also Rebecca Schoenkopf.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link

"Lying in a pool of herself with a broken neck."

It's a great song ... maybe doesn;t apply here, but hey, it's a nice plug for Linda Thompson anyway. :-)

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Friday, 2 February 2007 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link

(See also Rebecca Schoenkopf.)

indeed.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 2 February 2007 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link

come on nova,
like it had nothing to do with his editor getting canned? how many other OC writers are just "moving on" ?


under a rock (Uncle Tom), Friday, 2 February 2007 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Not sure that's fair. I mean, it probably is related to the change in ownership and all the other NT lamentations evident here, but gossipy speculation is a bit dangerous (unless Chris blogs about it or a report hits the newswires).

Besides, methinks Mr. Lomax's entry into this discussion is fairly credible. :-)

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Friday, 2 February 2007 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not very surprised that youthinks that. :-]

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 2 February 2007 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow, now I'm an NT apologist? How'd that happen? :-)

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Friday, 2 February 2007 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, I usually love the parody cover stories NT does. It'd be nice, though, if this one turns out to be a fake.
-- O'Connor (oconnorscrib...), February 1st, 2007.

BTW, I'm of the opinion the essay is real. It's totally consistent with a longtime NT tradition of responding in print to opponents amd detractors -- most of which are breathtaking and wonderful (Mike Lacey's volleys against Bruce Brugman are awesome). This one, however, is neither.

And other stuff which i'm not going to look up now. I know they let you go and you always talk very interestingly about how shitty they are in some ways, but you also seem to still kind of love them and defend them. That said, I don't want to cast aspersions on you, you seem okay to me! Forget I said anything.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 2 February 2007 19:01 (seventeen years ago) link

That's fair, Haikunym. There's just a divide for me between the product and the company itself, that's all.

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Friday, 2 February 2007 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm actually excited that Ask a Mexican is starting to get syndication play ... that's a great column. One good result of NT-VV.

-- O'Connor (oconnorscrib...), July 25th, 2006.

keep in mind that NT music editors' weekly columns are mandated, on top of the other 250 taxing things they're charged with. So consequently, you're exceptionally lucky if 3.5 out of 10 of them don't suck -- kinda like batting in baseball. In that respect, Rob is Ichiro among the NT music columnists. :-)

-- O'Connor (oconnorscrib...), July 26th, 2006.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 2 February 2007 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Fine, bring up all the anecdotes you want. :-)

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Friday, 2 February 2007 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

hey don't bag on "Ask a Mexican," Gustavo A. is my HOMEBOY!

OH CRAP NOW I'M DOING IT

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 2 February 2007 19:16 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
The Other Village Voice

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 4 March 2007 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link

did they fire their editor-in-chief of six months too?

Matos W.K., Monday, 5 March 2007 08:08 (seventeen years ago) link

i linked alt-weekly deathwatch from my blog, and now i have a new reader from phoenix checking in every day! i've already wished said IP address holder a hearty hullo dere!

having worked for a company big on micromanagement and short on foresight, i can say with certainty that technorati searches for links to altweeklydeathwatch.blogspot.com likely constitute a waste of precious new times resources, but i appreciate your continued readership.

fukasaku tollbooth, Friday, 16 March 2007 18:18 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
can this just be renamed VVM mergers and acquisitions thread? can't wait to see what they do with philly weekly!

fukasaku tollbooth, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 23:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Philly would be interesting choice for them ... they don't often buy into situations quite that competitive. And I'm not sure that even THEY could fuck up music coverage/criticism in Philly. But surely they'll try. :-)

Jiminy Krokus, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:08 (seventeen years ago) link

And I'm not sure that even THEY could fuck up music coverage/criticism in Philly.

Like there's anything to fuck up. What could they really do to the Philadelphia Weekly to make it less worth reading (in general, not just in its music coverage)?

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:13 (seventeen years ago) link

What could they really do to the Philadelphia Weekly to make it less worth reading (in general, not just in its music coverage)?

this of course is why i will be reading voraciously. first question: will they let liz spikol keep vlogging????

maura, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:37 (seventeen years ago) link

After looking at the alt-weekly deathwatch thing and gawker for the first time in awhile I see that Joy Press left the Village Voice for Salon, and that the Voice briefly resumed having sports coverage, but now the woman covering sports is gone (and it took folks posting comments to alert Gawker that the Voice used to have great sports coverage)

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Curmudgeon, re: the VV sports coverage, are you talking about the lady that took it to the out-of-control NY Giants for daring to have an x-ray machine in their locker room?

David R., Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:37 (seventeen years ago) link

first question: will they let liz spikol keep vlogging????


i'd somehow forgotten about this!

fukasaku tollbooth, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

apparently this isn't happening: http://willdo.philadelphiaweekly.com/archives/2007/04/daniel_mcquade_2.html

Matos W.K., Thursday, 5 April 2007 00:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Curmudgeon, re: the VV sports coverage, are you talking about the lady that took it to the out-of-control NY Giants for daring to have an x-ray machine in their locker room?

-- David R., Wednesday, April 4, 2007 10:37 AM (Yesterday)

I guess that's her. I never read her column, just the old old Village Voice Sports page.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link

A non-New Times publication, the Washington City Paper, has a new look--smaller, now stapled, more color, "ask Bob Mould" column

curmudgeon, Friday, 6 April 2007 13:23 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...

Another music editor down:

http://www.laobserved.com/archive/2007/07/la_weekly_assigned_new_mu.php

Martin Van Burne, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 20:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Kate Sullivan was also a great and longtime City Pages writer.

Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 20:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Gah they still owe me $$$

That mong guy that's shit, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 21:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Randy was my editor way back when at pre-New Times Riverfront Times. He was ace. And he's always worth reading, even when he's wrong. Expect hip-hip, electronica and world music to get a smart bump.

Roy Kasten, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 22:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Village Voice Media is still highlighting Kate Sullivan's Second Place Southern California Journalism award for Entertainment Reviews/Criticism/Column...

Randall Roberts did a statistical analysis of Dave Marsh's entries in the Rolling Stone Record Guide at the 2006 EMP and something on Creem in 2007

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 04:15 (sixteen years ago) link

New Times owns the RFT?!

Tape Store, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 04:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Only for the last 5 years or whatever.

Roy Kasten, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 12:04 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/24/AR2007072402024.html

City Paper Sold to Tampa Alt-Weekly Group
Editor, Publisher to Remain; No Big Changes Planned, New Owner Says

By Frank Ahrens
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 25, 2007; Page D04

The Washington City Paper has been sold to group of alternative weeklies based in Tampa.

Creative Loafing Inc., which owns newspapers in Atlanta, Charlotte and Sarasota, Fla., in addition to Tampa, and bills itself as "shelter from the mainstream," bought the City Paper and its sister publication, the Chicago Reader, for an undisclosed amount.

The seller, Chicago Reader Inc., will continue to own stakes in the Amsterdam Weekly in the Netherlands, the Portland (Ore.) Mercury as well as the Stranger, the Seattle weekly that is home to syndicated sex columnist Dan Savage. The company also owns the building in Adams Morgan that houses the City Paper.

The new owners of the City Paper said they do not intend to change the paper's name or make radical alterations to the product. Ben Eason, Creative Loafing's chief executive, said yesterday that he asked City Paper editor Erik Wemple and publisher Amy Austin to remain, and both agreed.

Bob Roth, who co-founded the Chicago Reader in 1971 as an "extracurricular project" when he was a Ph.D. candidate at the University of Chicago, said Eason contacted him five months ago and eventually made an offer for the two papers. Eason said it is an eight-figure sale and that he tried to buy the stakes in the other papers, too, but Roth would not sell.

City Paper budget cuts already begun will continue, Wemple said, though he said he was not sure where they will come from. "There's no fat in our newsroom that I can identify, and so this is difficult process," Wemple said. "I refuse to pay freelancers less money, and so we'll have to get terribly, terribly creative."

Eason said cuts could come from City Paper's production staff; all Creative Loafing papers are produced and printed in Atlanta to save money.

More than mainstream daily newspapers, alternative weeklies depend on revenue from classifieds, which have been raided by Craigslist. Further, Washington's recent raft of free newspapers -- Express, owned by The Washington Post Co., the Examiner and now the Onion -- all compete for ad dollars that once were nearly exclusive property of the City Paper. It remains profitable, but its margins have shrunk.

"Clearly, alternatives took the first hit on Craigslist," Eason said. "The Chicago Reader was the strongest classifieds publication in the country, and it has taken more of its fair share of hits on that."

With six papers, Creative Loafing will trail Village Voice Media, the nation's largest chain of alt-weeklies, which has 17, including the storied Voice.

In May 2006, Wemple was named editor of the Voice. But he clashed with management, quit the job before he started and stayed at the City Paper. Yesterday, Wemple said he had no regrets for not sticking with the Village Voice job.

curmudgeon, Sunday, 29 July 2007 05:23 (sixteen years ago) link

tape store RFT is fucking terrible to be honest.
ESPECIALLY when compared to vv/city pages and even miami new times.

Jordan Sargent, Sunday, 29 July 2007 05:27 (sixteen years ago) link

x-post

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/index.php/2007/07/24/washington-city-paper-sold-to-atlanta-chain/

Wemple later indicated to editorial staff that the editorial budget is likely to be cut in the coming months to bring City Paper’s editorial expenses in line with other alternative weeklies, but he indicated that similar cuts would likely have come under the old ownership

Wonderful Schmonderful Says:
Jul. 25, 2007, at 11:38 am
If the Loaf is a wonderful paper, it’s not even half as wonderful as the City Paper, if AltWeekly Awards are any measure: According to aan.org, the flagship Atlanta Creative Loafing (founded 1972) has won 18 awards over the years; CP (founded 1981) has won 47.

Adding the other the three Loaf papers into the total produces a whole eight more awards. Adding the Chicago Reader (founded 1971) results in another 27 awards. Final score of combined wonderfulness: home team 74, visitors 26.

But even without the Reader’s help–and handicapped by having to play nine years of catch-up–CP is quantifiably better than CL by more than 100 percent. (Start tallying prestigious food- and drama-criticism wins and the buyout looks even more ominous.) Of course, that’s just what a bunch of seasoned journalism folks and awards-committee cranks think. Haters should now jump on the fact that AAN has also given Cherkis five awards and Wemple two.

curmudgeon, Sunday, 29 July 2007 15:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Chicago Reader's editor's memo regarding their new owners:

http://poynter.org/forum/view_post.asp?id=12750

As for the future, this changeover shouldn't be regarded, as one blog commenter put it, as a sad day for the city of Chicago. The paper and Web site that so many Chicagoans depend on isn't going anywhere, and you -- house staff, freelance writers, illustrators, photographers -- are going to continue to be its lifeblood.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 00:32 (sixteen years ago) link

There are officially no decent alt weeklies in NYC now. Does this place have any definable culture anymore?

uhrrrrrrr10, Thursday, 2 August 2007 16:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Manhattan Media owns four community weekly papers: Our Town, The West Side Spirit, The Westsider and The Chelsea Clinton News, the oldest community paper in Manhattan.

Waht?

o. nate, Thursday, 2 August 2007 17:44 (sixteen years ago) link

I heard the city reinvents itself and all but if that's the oldest...

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 August 2007 17:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Clinton is another name for Hell's Kitchen, the neighborhood right next to Chelsea.

According to their website, The Chelsea Clinton News has been around for 65 years.

The Yellow Kid, Thursday, 2 August 2007 20:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Makes you wonder if Bill & Hill chose the name with that knowledge in mind...

o. nate, Thursday, 2 August 2007 21:22 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...

Eason said cuts could come from City Paper's production staff; all Creative Loafing papers are produced and printed in Atlanta to save money.

Rumor has it that more such cuts just happened at the Washington City Paper.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 03:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Art and production moves to Atlanta 10-26. Creative Loafing budget cuts and production changes mean music coverage will be reduced further, and deadlines will be earlier.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 13 October 2007 05:17 (sixteen years ago) link

New Times / Village Voice Media head Lacey arrested.. for a very interesting reason.

http://www.kpho.com/news/14376424/detail.html

sanskrit, Friday, 19 October 2007 19:29 (sixteen years ago) link

sorry, no titillation here, but a pretty fascinating story.

sanskrit, Friday, 19 October 2007 19:30 (sixteen years ago) link

Yep

curmudgeon, Friday, 19 October 2007 20:46 (sixteen years ago) link

Titillation provided in the form of inmates with pink underwear,

The Reverend, Friday, 19 October 2007 20:58 (sixteen years ago) link

joe arpaio is nuts.

tipsy mothra, Friday, 19 October 2007 21:13 (sixteen years ago) link

wow that is so fucked.

The subpoenas also seek online profiles of anyone who read four specific articles about Arpaio and profiles of anyone who visited the paper's Web site since Jan. 1, 2004. Also sought was information on what Web users did while on the site, the story said.

s1ocki, Friday, 19 October 2007 21:22 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.apbweb.com/images/articles-5-16-07.gif

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 19 October 2007 21:23 (sixteen years ago) link

this isn't wdylll dude

s1ocki, Friday, 19 October 2007 21:25 (sixteen years ago) link

phwoarr

The Reverend, Friday, 19 October 2007 21:25 (sixteen years ago) link

hahah xpost

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 19 October 2007 21:26 (sixteen years ago) link

here's yer titillation:

watch me shoot down my future career prospects while drunk: new times media can suck my cock until i cum blood

-- PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Monday, September 4, 2006 9:45 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

sanskrit, Friday, 19 October 2007 21:34 (sixteen years ago) link

classic post

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 19 October 2007 21:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Ooh la la, Jess' bloodcum.

The Reverend, Friday, 19 October 2007 21:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Subpoenas being dropped.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 20 October 2007 23:04 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

wow, a small victory for the SFBG, esp the "for immediate collection" part which may not be so small!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/01/07/MNG21BF2MH.DTL&tsp=1

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 8 January 2010 03:13 (fourteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

So, Wayne Barrett and Tom Robbins are gone.

RIP zombie voice.

pomp la familia (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 14:13 (thirteen years ago) link

Maybe they have inspired some younger less-well paid Voice staffers and freelancers (who may or may not have the time to do investigative reporting because of whatever else they do to pay their bills)

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 15:19 (thirteen years ago) link

So the Voice site is basically all about girls gone wild titty slideshows now?

hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Monday, 10 January 2011 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link

Just one of the choices, isn't it? A few folks read their online music crit offerings, I guess.

curmudgeon, Monday, 10 January 2011 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link

I look through Musto and the increasingly scant film/theatre coverage, that's about it.

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 January 2011 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link

City Pages ran a Phoenix New Times story about DMX on the cover this week.

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 10 January 2011 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Not that I'm not interested in DMX, just that I don't recall syndicated cover stories.

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 10 January 2011 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link

DC City Paper has been running less newsprint pages. Between the recession, the diminished number of folks reading newsprint, the financial limitations of the owners of these publications and online competition, alt-weeklies need feisty ad salespeople I guess who can somehow get more ads and bring in revenue.

curmudgeon, Monday, 10 January 2011 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link

TBF I think a lot of the functions of an alt-weekly actually can be properly taken over, if not done better, by a plethora of websites (music and film coverage, bizarro classifieds, rancorous firespitting about whatever). The main thing to be missed is the local investigative stuff. Still not sure there's a good web model for that yet, although I guess someone will figure it out and maybe they already have.

hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Maybe NY ilxors can buy it.

So I wonder how SouthComm, which publishes eight alt-weeklies, including the Atlanta one and the Washington City Paper is doing?

curmudgeon, Monday, 24 September 2012 14:39 (eleven years ago) link

http://storify.com/connorsimpson/tricia-romano-on-the-village-voice

Ned Raggett, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:57 (eleven years ago) link

Damn. Im getting misty eyed, seriously.

Raymond Cummings, Monday, 24 September 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link

Is their mangement style less damaging at some of their other papers?

Under the terms of the agreement, Voice Media Group will own and operate the following print publications and corresponding digital properties: Village Voice (New York), LA Weekly (Los Angeles), Westword (Denver), New Times (Phoenix), Houston Press, Dallas Observer, Riverfront Times (St. Louis), New Times (Miami), City Pages (Minneapolis), New Times (Broward), SF Weekly (San Francisco), Seattle Weekly, and OC Weekly (Orange County). Voice Media Group will also purchase and take over VVMH's national advertising division, which will now be called VMG National. VMG National will continue to sell national advertising for more than 56 partner sites and publications, reaching more than 3 million readers across 56 key metro markets each week.

http://www.wvva.com/story/19619001/newly-formed-denver-holding-company-voice-media-group-to-acquire-village-voice-media-publishing-properties

curmudgeon, Monday, 24 September 2012 20:42 (eleven years ago) link

management

curmudgeon, Monday, 24 September 2012 20:43 (eleven years ago) link

thanks for the link to the tricia romano twitter thing, good read

I had not seen the actual print Voice in a long time (would read some of it on the Internet) and then last week I saw one, holy shit it's a pamphlet

dmr, Monday, 24 September 2012 20:46 (eleven years ago) link

love this:

I miss Xgau, wearing trademark jeans, rock T, headphones, stopping and saying: "Tricia: The new Common record," and sighing.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 24 September 2012 21:14 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

Man, the stuff we made fun of upthread is SO much better than what they publish now

drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 22:13 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

Fire sale is on! I guess. Seattle Weekly and SF Weekly have both been sold.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 19:06 (eleven years ago) link

just struck me how much pathos is in the phrase "acquired by new times" (or "discarded by new times," for that matter)

ThePartyHater (some dude), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 19:07 (eleven years ago) link

Thought maybe this revive was about another wave of classic jazz albums we should hear before we die.

The POLLed Geir America (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 19:10 (eleven years ago) link

http://blog.sfgate.com/stew/2013/01/09/sf-weekly-sold-to-bay-guardian-publisher/

, Voice Media Group will continue to own and operate the following print publications and corresponding digital properties: Village Voice (New York), LA Weekly (Los Angeles), Westword (Denver), New Times (Phoenix), Houston Press, Dallas Observer, Riverfront Times (St. Louis), New Times (Miami), City Pages (Minneapolis), New Times (Broward) and OC Weekly (Orange County).

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Seattle-Weekly-sold-to-Sound-Publishing-4179877.php

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 19:11 (eleven years ago) link

For now.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 19:11 (eleven years ago) link

boy it would be nice if somebody bought them and rethought the game.

What am I, in France? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 19:12 (eleven years ago) link

i got $47 in my checking account, lemme see how many papers i can buy with that

ThePartyHater (some dude), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 19:14 (eleven years ago) link

man, i looked at the voice website this morning wondering if p+j was up yet, it's total garbage now

j., Wednesday, 9 January 2013 19:15 (eleven years ago) link

i never read any of those sites anymore, laweekly especially is sickeningly terrible.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 19:19 (eleven years ago) link

"The sale of SF Weekly will allow Voice Media Group to focus on growth opportunities for mobile and online platforms and to develop core digital offerings in its other key markets."

so another blogging platform full stop is the gameplan then.

s.clover, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 19:59 (eleven years ago) link

just looked at the voice website just now. holy *shit* is that ugly, like throwback to 1996 webdesign, netscape navigator 1.0 compatible ugly. and then there are just huge amounts of links to articles in basically three blogs/"verticals" and that seems like the entire goddamn site.

s.clover, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 20:07 (eleven years ago) link

I was always glad that the Metro Times was never bought by these clowns.

Solange and thanks for all the fish (Nicole), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 20:10 (eleven years ago) link

God I love digital properties.

glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 21:25 (eleven years ago) link

thank got Seattle Weekly wasn't sold to the Seattle Times, as was rumored. hopefully it will become semi-decent again.

chief keef olbermann (The Reverend), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 23:10 (eleven years ago) link

michael musto must feel like the queen fuckin bee these days

j., Thursday, 10 January 2013 00:04 (eleven years ago) link

so this guy writes about rap for the voice now are you guys big fans?

http://grindtimenow.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/featurechaz.jpg

scott seward, Thursday, 10 January 2013 00:11 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJu451qyZL0

scott seward, Thursday, 10 January 2013 00:12 (eleven years ago) link

i'm feeling it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmmpTKHOXRE

scott seward, Thursday, 10 January 2013 00:14 (eleven years ago) link

Wow this is really bad.

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Thursday, 10 January 2013 00:23 (eleven years ago) link

looks like heath ledger as shat out by corey haim

christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 10 January 2013 00:26 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKPvdcEfETA
damn, you're serious: he IS writing about hip hop for the voice

What am I, in France? (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 10 January 2013 02:35 (eleven years ago) link

i googled up a few articles of his and they don't seem particularly offensive.

s.clover, Thursday, 10 January 2013 04:05 (eleven years ago) link

three months pass...

even when held up against the rest of the paper/site, west coast sound is particularly terrible.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 22 April 2013 21:17 (eleven years ago) link

Was just going to post that. The Voice has been posting piles and piles of perv pic features from various events around the city, but there's something even more creepy about it being gifs. Plus at least most of the Voice pics are from like "sexy" events where people are all publicly displaying sexuality on purpose, iirc.

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Monday, 22 April 2013 23:28 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Welp:

Will Bourne, who became editor-in-chief of The Village Voice in November, and Jessica Lustig, the deputy editor since January, are leaving the weekly publication.

They met with the staff at 11 p.m. on Thursday and said that Christine Brennan, executive editor of Voice Media Group, had instructed them to cut five positions from the 20-person staff. Rather than implementing the cuts, they resigned and left immediately.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 May 2013 16:34 (ten years ago) link

the Voice is soon going to be a single guy in his underwear posting clickporn photo sets of sex events

THIS IS NOT A BENGHAZI T-SHIRT (Hurting 2), Thursday, 9 May 2013 16:44 (ten years ago) link

"From your mouth to God's ears," says a lurking Ben Westhoff.

da croupier, Thursday, 9 May 2013 16:49 (ten years ago) link

lol staff of 15, i really had no idea.

ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 May 2013 16:54 (ten years ago) link

Is that editorial staff or total? I mean either way damn.

THIS IS NOT A BENGHAZI T-SHIRT (Hurting 2), Thursday, 9 May 2013 17:06 (ten years ago) link

how small can the staff get before 'editor-in-chief' is a bigger title than the organization can bear

j., Thursday, 9 May 2013 17:12 (ten years ago) link

editorial staff, apparently.

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Thursday, 9 May 2013 18:26 (ten years ago) link

As someone who put out a monthly mag with a total staff of 3, plus freelancers, I'm kinda surprised it takes 20 people to put out something as shitty as the 2013 Voice.

誤訳侮辱, Thursday, 9 May 2013 18:42 (ten years ago) link

1) its weekly. 2) it has lots of bloggyblogs. 3) actually i don't know beyond that i don't pay attention anymore.

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Thursday, 9 May 2013 18:46 (ten years ago) link

oh right 4) it occasionally still has real legwork in actually reporting feature stories and it theoretically pays staff to do that and not just freelancers.

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Thursday, 9 May 2013 18:47 (ten years ago) link

there is admittedly a lot of legwork even in digging up salacious details on stories like that one about the real estate magnate's wife who did cocaine and had an affair with a cartel hitman who owned a monster truck racetrack which was a cover for snuff film production.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 9 May 2013 18:51 (ten years ago) link

http://www.villagevoice.com/about/staff/

Editor in Chief Will Bourne
Deputy Editor Jessica Lustig
Arts and Culture Editor
Film Editor Alan Scherstuhl
Music Editor Brian McManus
Copy Chief
Web Editor Nick Greene
Senior Associate Editors Angela Ashman, Araceli Cruz, Nick Murray
Staff Writers Michael Feingold, James King, Michael Musto, Nick Pinto, Graham Rayman, Tejal Rao
Contributors Melissa Anderson, Allen Barra, Roy Edroso, Deborah Jowitt, Chantal Martineau, Nick Pinkerton, John Surico, Robert Sietsema, Alexis Soloski
Contributing Copy Editor Benjamin Mercer
Editorial Fellows Emily Gogolak, Jason Lewis
Editorial Interns Alexandra Bell, Brittany Spanos, Christopher Weller, Diana Clarke, Leah Butterfield
Associate Editor Heather Baysa
Arts Assistant Eric Sundermann

curmudgeon, Thursday, 9 May 2013 18:53 (ten years ago) link

xpost -- why are you not linking that story right now.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:00 (ten years ago) link

I wonder if McAnus will get a promotion. Failing upwards, etc.

The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:04 (ten years ago) link

Fin:

Last week, top editors at the Village Voice resigned in protest when they learned that management wanted them to lay off several members of their already-decimated staff. This morning, those layoffs came down. They're not pretty.

We hear that executives from the Voice's parent company flew in for today's massacre. Michael Musto, the Voice's nightlife columnist and most high profile remaining staffer, has been let go, as was rumored last week. (There had apparently been some talk of Musto's column hanging on in some form, but that does not seem to have worked out.) Also let go, sources tell us, was Robert Sietsema, the Voice's longtime food critic, and Michael Feingold, the paper's theater critic. Feingold was scheduled to host the Obie Awards for the Voice next week.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 May 2013 15:26 (ten years ago) link

Should be polled: http://www.villagevoice.com/2011-06-22/columns/why-i-hate-being-gay/

Not Simone Choule (Eric H.), Friday, 17 May 2013 15:28 (ten years ago) link

those are the last 3 columnists I read, btw, and obv the last 3 longtimers.

tho Zacharek on film I will still look at

ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 May 2013 15:38 (ten years ago) link

man, gutted. they're done huh.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/18/business/media/michael-musto-and-robert-sietsema-leave-village-voice.html?_r=0

more reaction to firing of Musto, Sietsema, & Feingold

curmudgeon, Monday, 20 May 2013 13:16 (ten years ago) link

five months pass...

lol @ owning "absolutepunk.net"

J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 October 2013 16:58 (ten years ago) link

Break For Killer Kennedy Cuz!

dow, Thursday, 24 October 2013 17:00 (ten years ago) link

Forks, there is discussion of that on the Pitchfork thread:

pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

curmudgeon, Thursday, 24 October 2013 17:04 (ten years ago) link

gotcha. I've stuck my nose in that thread lately; the discussion seems pretty good.

there's no camera to capture that yelping moment! (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 24 October 2013 19:39 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

Is there gonna be a Pazz & Jop poll?

curmudgeon, Thursday, 5 December 2013 21:38 (ten years ago) link

three weeks pass...

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/12/28/how-the-village-voiceandotheraltweeklieslosttheirvoicein2013.html

Long think piece on the decline of American alt-weeklies and New Times

curmudgeon, Monday, 30 December 2013 20:42 (ten years ago) link

how many interviews does a reporter have to do before his piece can be called something other than a "thinkpiece"

katherine, Monday, 30 December 2013 21:06 (ten years ago) link

call it a feature if you like... whatev

curmudgeon, Monday, 30 December 2013 21:58 (ten years ago) link

Yes, he interviewed many people for this piece

curmudgeon, Monday, 30 December 2013 21:59 (ten years ago) link

is there gonna be a Pazz & Jop poll? Yep:

All ballots are due by Tuesday, December 24th; results will be published in print and online the week of January 8th.

dow, Monday, 30 December 2013 23:52 (ten years ago) link

Also: the return of longform journalism? (Pitchfork's even gonna do a print edition, I heard; prob fairly expensive, but hey return of vinyl)http://www.marketplace.org/topics/business/why-long-form-journalism-everywhere-these-days

dow, Monday, 30 December 2013 23:56 (ten years ago) link

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/theater/ct-ae-1229-jones-20131228,0,1284205.column

The future of arts journalism? by Chris Jones

the Chicago Symphony Orchestra are creating their own online media magazine to preview music events because they think there are not enough previews of their events and those of others

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 15:27 (ten years ago) link

is

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 15:28 (ten years ago) link

TAKE THE POWER BACK

Seriously, Chicago may have the right idea.

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 17:03 (ten years ago) link

Despite possible conflict of interest issues, I guess it has to be better than this:

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2013/07/most_bangable_members_ny_philharmonic.php

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 17:09 (ten years ago) link

four months pass...

This opens here next week--hadn't heard anything about it until yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp-D_ga6UHg

clemenza, Monday, 5 May 2014 01:02 (nine years ago) link

heh, my friend regina is in that trailer.
yeah, i wanna see that for sure.

what was the video? gone now

wat is teh waht (s.clover), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 04:34 (nine years ago) link

It was a trailer for this:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2312616/

Not sure why that would come down just as the film's opening.

clemenza, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 11:40 (nine years ago) link

Oh, Nat Hentoff. I see his recent writing can be found at this rightwing site:

http://www.wnd.com/author/nhentoff/

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 14:05 (nine years ago) link

well he did engage in clinton conspiracies w/ the best of them

balls, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 14:35 (nine years ago) link

five months pass...

Today on Twitter:

@villagevoice: Nigerian Independence Day Parade 2014: Cloudy With a Chance of Ebola?

dow, Monday, 13 October 2014 18:51 (nine years ago) link

dear lord

💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Monday, 13 October 2014 18:59 (nine years ago) link

SHUT IT DOWN

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Monday, 13 October 2014 19:17 (nine years ago) link

there oughta be a law that all writers have the right to title their own pieces; that's clickbait of the worst kind there

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 October 2014 19:57 (nine years ago) link

HEYYYyyyyyy it's our SHITTIEST COVER EVER!

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ4rJBB-pozEYTIIS6jaNr9ZLQGXzpf8rLNDD_OvK7LGdiKJQlp

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 16 October 2014 04:32 (nine years ago) link

ha, that really is egregious

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 October 2014 05:20 (nine years ago) link

it kind of looks like this magazine I used to see in central jersey that was mostly reviews of bars and strip clubs

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 16 October 2014 05:29 (nine years ago) link

is that cover intentionally hideous?

I dunno. (amateurist), Thursday, 16 October 2014 08:26 (nine years ago) link

My money is on either angry art director or incompetent intern

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:16 (nine years ago) link

It does have a slightly "break every design rule" quality to it, but not quite enough so to be "anti-aesthetic." It's weird to think someone actually went to the trouble to make that Statue of Liberty illustration -- wonder if it's modified clip art or something.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:18 (nine years ago) link

the sandwich one...

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 October 2014 20:22 (nine years ago) link

is it a drag SOL doing the Heisman?

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 16 October 2014 20:45 (nine years ago) link

eleven months pass...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/13/nyregion/village-voice-sold-to-peter-barbey-owner-of-a-pennsylvania-newspaper.html

Peter D. Barbey, through his investment company Black Walnut Holdings L.L.C., bought the paper from Voice Media Group, which owns a string of weeklies around the country.

The financial terms of the deal were not disclosed, and Mr. Barbey declined to discuss the details.

However, in an interview, he vowed to invest in the paper and once again make it relevant in the cultural life of New York City.

“I realize that The Voice has had a unique journalistic role in New York and the country as a whole,” Mr. Barbey, 58, said. “That deserves to survive and prosper.”

The paper, he said, was once an essential “voice of the arts and cultural community in New York.” While he will not take over full control of the paper until February, Mr. Barbey said he would focus first on bolstering its arts coverage — mainly by attracting top writers.

“Over the years it’s been known as a place that made writers’ reputations,” Mr. Barbey said. “If you were a good writer, you wanted to write for The Voice.”

“One of the biggest problems in media today is lack of attention to content,” he said. “Many publications have stripped their content.”

That will not happen under his watch, he said.

When asked about the financial resources he would devote to the paper, Mr. Barbey would not be specific but noted that his family’s wealth could be ascertained quickly through a Google search.

The Barbeys rank 48th on the Forbes list of America’s wealthiest families.

it's not a tuomas (benbbag), Tuesday, 13 October 2015 13:06 (eight years ago) link

hm
anybody got some perspective on this?

a literal scarecrow on a quaint porch (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 13 October 2015 13:25 (eight years ago) link

http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/media/2015/10/8579442/meet-peter-barbey-latest-owner-take-village-voice

Skeptics will abound, including some of those very Voice vets.

"You mean the Voice still exists?" Hoberman sniffed when asked for his thoughts on the sale. Seriously though: "Even if the new owners are inclined to spend money, they'll have a near impossible time restoring any credibility."

"Weeklies, accustomed to big reports without much of a time peg, seem to have had a particularly difficult transition to a mixed digital/print publishing model," Poynter Institute media analyst Rick Edmonds wrote on Monday. "Best case — Barbey will also infuse some money and editorial vitality into the Village Voice. But I wouldn’t look for a turnaround ... given how much the business base for the Voice and similar publications has deteriorated."

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 13 October 2015 16:05 (eight years ago) link

i feel like you'd have to be very VERY rich to actually sink enough money into the VV to turn it around and not worry about the losses. is he that rich?

wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 October 2015 22:28 (eight years ago) link

yes
http://nypost.com/2015/10/12/pennsylvania-family-set-to-own-the-village-voice/

The Barbey family, the 48th richest in America, according to Forbes — with a net worth of $6.1 billion — derives most of its fortune from a 20 percent stake in apparel maker VF Corp., maker of Lee, Wrangler and North Face apparel.

a literal scarecrow on a quaint porch (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 03:13 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...
one month passes...

The Village Voice is ending its weekly print edition. End of a journalism era in New York City.

— Michael M. Grynbaum (@grynbaum) August 22, 2017

mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 16:44 (six years ago) link

Village Voice ownership shutters paper, will continue it "as a brand" online and as "a host of new events, products and initiatives." https://t.co/HUu3C8yBXu

— Nick Pinto (@macfathom) August 22, 2017

mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 17:07 (six years ago) link

oof

nomar, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 17:08 (six years ago) link

The Village Voice also published this. I feel reason #15, by @mgerber937, is one of the greatest jokes in history https://t.co/88NBsbMCt6 pic.twitter.com/bMLTEyi1SV

— Jon Schwarz (@tinyrevolution) August 22, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 19:57 (six years ago) link

Yeah this is sad. Yoko used to take out these cool full page ads, a couple in the last year or so, with photos of her and John and lyrics to songs or other things and I wonder if she'll continue this online and I'd guess not

calstars, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 20:19 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

R.I.P.
http://gothamist.com/2018/08/31/village_voice_is_officially_dead.php

I, for one, wish/hope someone/somewhere picks up Pazz & Jop and continues it.

alpine static, Friday, 31 August 2018 17:13 (five years ago) link

"today is kind of a sucky day" jfc

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 31 August 2018 17:18 (five years ago) link

its been a long goodbye but it still hurts

Hakim Bae's TMZ (s.clover), Friday, 31 August 2018 18:07 (five years ago) link

L.A. Weekly still creaking along w/me-first careerists sticking around for the new right-wing regime

omar little, Friday, 31 August 2018 18:33 (five years ago) link

dumb question, i guess: why doesn't some liberal billionaire buy up all the papers that need help, install good managers, and be a hero?

i realize it's hard to hemorrhage money forever, but some people can afford it. why not hire the right people and tell them "hey, lose as little money as you can, please, but i've got your back. and also keep tinkering with new methods and content and who knows maybe you'll hit on something that helps in a big way."

this is what i would do if i had the money.

alpine static, Friday, 31 August 2018 18:50 (five years ago) link

there's Jeff Bezos I guess

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 31 August 2018 18:58 (five years ago) link

he said liberal

▫◌▫ (sic), Friday, 31 August 2018 19:17 (five years ago) link

tbh after the print ed shut, i never looked at it unless i saw a link to a piece.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 31 August 2018 19:19 (five years ago) link

by that definition "liberal billionaire" is an oxymoron

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 31 August 2018 19:19 (five years ago) link

Wrote many times in the late '00s yet even with the superb editors who tightened my sentences (never forgot a PHONE line edit with Chuck Eddy in early 2006) there was already a sense in which the clock was ticking. I'm sorry I lived long enough to see this day.

The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 31 August 2018 19:22 (five years ago) link

I'm amazed our two alt-weeklies have survived the shrinkage since they had to stop running sex work ads - the Dallas Observer is a shell that runs a scattering of local political news and reprints national stories (from New Times, I guess?), the FW Weekly is even smaller but pretty left-wing, they've been running stories from local DSA people every so often.

louise ck (milo z), Friday, 31 August 2018 19:28 (five years ago) link

this is what i would do if i had the money.

also why you'll never be a billionaire tho

louise ck (milo z), Friday, 31 August 2018 19:29 (five years ago) link

I wrote a letter to the VV in the '90s about Public Enemy's homophobia (Flavor Flav's really), and someone phoned me to carefully line-edit that.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 31 August 2018 19:35 (five years ago) link

I think it's safe to say that without the Village Voice I might never have achieved my dream of being a childless 37-year-old debt-ridden "critic's critic" with a niche social media presence and chronic knee pain RIP.

— 𝕿𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖇𝖑𝖊 𝕰𝖛𝖊𝖗𝖞 𝕯𝖆𝖞 (@NickPinkerton) August 31, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 31 August 2018 19:57 (five years ago) link

I care somewhat, not much. The end of the print run seemed much more historically significant. But the online version meant there was still Pazz & Jop, and without that, I'll literally lose my final motivation (following the end of my "freelance" "career" and the implosion of a college radio station where I had a show) to keep up with new music.

Pleasure? I guess I could try that.

clemenza, Friday, 31 August 2018 21:20 (five years ago) link

wasn't sure which thread to bump, but...

I know it was only a shadow of itself over the last several years, but the actual demise of the Village Voice makes me very nostalgic

It was the print publication that I cared about above all others in the 80s and 90s. there were so many great writers who contributed to it

Dan S, Friday, 31 August 2018 22:47 (five years ago) link

oh I see this thread has already been revived!

Dan S, Friday, 31 August 2018 22:48 (five years ago) link

This last (hopefully just latest) owner proclaimed that he intended to bring back the pre-New Times glory days, but I later read that he'd invested in extremely expensive real estate, a palace in the Village/ Also he busted or greatly impaired the union (the Voice had its own union). So a capital drain, talent drain (I know several people who made a point of avoiding the place/brand after that, though they all needed/need the work).
I, for one, wish/hope someone/somewhere picks up Pazz & Jop and continues it.
Maybe a GoFundMe? Too much for a labor of love, also too much for noobs.

dow, Saturday, 1 September 2018 01:02 (five years ago) link

Maybe most of all a credibility drain? Other activities showing what his real priorities were (dude might've been lying to himself, even).

dow, Saturday, 1 September 2018 01:08 (five years ago) link

I was there when Nat Hentoff cleaned his office. They filled dumpsters. I took a bunch of Philip Roth books that were left out. I learned that I hate Philip Roth.

Yerac, Saturday, 1 September 2018 01:29 (five years ago) link

lol

Dan S, Saturday, 1 September 2018 01:42 (five years ago) link

VV died for me when Chuck E was fired, not sure I missed a lot

President Keyes, Saturday, 1 September 2018 02:31 (five years ago) link

what would it really take to keep P&J going somewhere else?

- someone w/ time and/or $, plus motivation
- a platform
- VV's mailing list
- some way to tabulate

am i missing something major?

alpine static, Saturday, 1 September 2018 08:51 (five years ago) link

revive jackin' pop

dyl, Saturday, 1 September 2018 16:21 (five years ago) link

But the online version meant there was still Pazz & Jop, and without that, I'll literally lose my final motivation to keep up with new music.

this is kind of astonishing to me

dyl, Saturday, 1 September 2018 16:22 (five years ago) link

I'm an astonishing person.

clemenza, Saturday, 1 September 2018 19:42 (five years ago) link

Old too

The Great Atomic Power Ballad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 September 2018 21:28 (five years ago) link

I listen to hours of music most days, often completely new-to-me, but still expect the ILX annual tracks poll to point me in new directions for songs, movements and artists more than anything else during the year. clemenza otm.

▫◌▫ (sic), Saturday, 1 September 2018 21:51 (five years ago) link

Old too

That's it, dyl. I don't know how old you are, but, absent any professional obligations, I don't think it's that unusual to lose track of the plot in your mid-50s. Most everyone I know in my non-rock-critic life lost it in their early 20s. (I do get a lot of satisfaction out of putting together a year-end list with comments, though, so I'm just dumb enough to keep doing it for my homepage.)

clemenza, Sunday, 2 September 2018 02:44 (five years ago) link

new music in the pop vein is generally not for me, i've heard enough. 90% of P&J was a mystery to me 10 years ago.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 2 September 2018 02:58 (five years ago) link

if they're so dead why do new articles keep showing up? admittedly they're all by the same person. and one of them's about jethro tull. stands to reason they'd finally get their due via dead voice.

Thus Sang Freud, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 23:36 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

Won't let me past paywall, what's it say?

dow, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 19:59 (three years ago) link

The Village Voice, the storied New York alt-weekly that shut down in 2018 after a 63-year run, will live again.

Brian Calle, the chief executive of Street Media, the owner of LA Weekly, said on Tuesday that he had acquired the publication from its publisher, Peter D. Barbey.

“I think a lot of people will be hungry for this and I’m superoptimistic,” Mr. Calle said in an interview.

He added that he planned to restart The Voice’s website in January and would publish a “comeback” print edition early next year, with quarterly print issues to follow. On Tuesday he hired Bob Baker, a former Voice editor, as a senior editor and content coordinator. Mr. Calle said he wanted to bring back more former staff members who know the paper’s tone. He has not yet named an editor in chief.

The Voice, a mainstay of the independent journalism scene until it wasn’t, was founded in 1955 by Dan Wolf, Edwin Fancher and Norman Mailer. It was home to the dogged investigative reporter Wayne Barrett; the jazz critic and free-speech columnist Nat Hentoff; the early rock critic Richard Goldstein; the feminist cultural critic Jill Johnston; the nightlife columnist Michael Musto; and the groundbreaking hip-hop writers Nelson George and Greg Tate.

Generations of New Yorkers found their first apartments through its seemingly endless classified section. The paper grew thinner over the years, as Craigslist cut into its revenue, and bloggers and early digital sites chipped away at its cultural position.

In 2015 it was sold by the Voice Media Group to Mr. Barbey, an heir to an American retail empire whose family owned The Reading Eagle newspaper in Pennsylvania for generations until 2019. He vowed to revitalize the paper, but in August 2017 he took it digital only and shuttered it a year later.

Mr. Calle said he had eyed The Voice for several years and got in touch with Mr. Barbey about buying the paper in recent months. “I literally just cold-called him and I said, ‘Hey, I’ve been thinking a lot about The Village Voice and a lot about journalism in the context of this year and I feel like we need to figure out a way to bring it back,’” he said.

“We had roughly half a dozen calls, just talking about the history of The Voice and getting to know each other, because he views himself as a kind of a steward and was just waiting for someone to come along.”

Mr. Barbey said he had been approached by a number of prospective owners.

“I originally bought The Village Voice to see if we could save it in a different media era,” he said. “Brian called and we talked for a while. After thinking about it, I figured he had the best philosophy about how to move forward with The Village Voice.”

The terms of the deal were not disclosed. In a news release, Street Media said the acquisition did not include the Obie Awards, the Off Broadway honors that will continue to be presented by the American Theater Wing.

Mr. Calle has experience running an alt-weekly, but his time as publisher and chief executive at LA Weekly has not been without incident. Formerly an opinion editor for The Orange County Register in California and other newspapers, Mr. Calle bought LA Weekly with a group of investors in 2017 from the Voice Media Group. (From 2012 to 2017, the Voice Media Group owned LA Weekly in addition to its flagship paper in New York.)

LA Weekly’s newsroom was quickly gutted after the sale, and former writers organized a boycott of the paper, pressing advertisers and other journalists to cut ties. Mara Shalhoup, the editor in chief of LA Weekly when Mr. Calle bought it, said that nearly the entire newsroom staff was fired. Ms. Shalhoup, who next week will start as ProPublica’s South editor, said she felt LA Weekly was not as focused on serious journalism after the acquisition by Mr. Calle.

“I think my opinion is shared by the community of readers in Los Angeles,” she said. “It was not the same quality publication after he purchased it as it was before.”

In 2018, David Welch, one of the investors, sued Mr. Calle and the other LA Weekly backers, alleging that they had mismanaged the paper. The suit was settled in 2019.

“That lawsuit was settled and we both went our separate ways,” Mr. Calle said. Speaking more generally of the detractors of LA Weekly under his leadership, he said, “I think the proof is in the results, which is that we’re still around and we’re on a nice trajectory.”

He added that the paper he acquired on Tuesday “will honor the traditions of The Village Voice of yesteryear.”

Mr. Calle said he planned to start a Voice podcast and increase the publication’s social media presence while looking for new revenue streams. He said he also envisioned The Voice performing a critical role of alt-weeklies: acting as a watchdog of mainstream media outlets.

Since The Voice stopped publishing new content in September 2018, the website has been periodically updated with articles pulled from its archives. Some staff members stayed on to work on building a digital archive. Mr. Calle said he and Mr. Barbey planned to donate The Voice’s print archives to a “major New York public institution” in the coming months.

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 20:11 (three years ago) link

let's twist again

let's not, and say we didn't

http://boycottlaweekly.com/who-is-semanal-media/



^ since then:

Oh I forgot Calle was editor for CalWatchdog! A Koch Bros venture to launder the ideas of far-right goons like Dinesh D'Souza into mainstream! Good times. He also gave talks paid for by the notorious Mercer family, when they were trying to launch their far-right media venture.

— April Wolfe (@AWolfeful) December 23, 2020

Okay, back to recent things Calle has done:

-Repeatedly published sponcon w/ no attempt to identify it as such
-Given copious page space to cannabis businesses he OWNED A STAKE in, while he was also collecting a salary in marketing for those businesses

— April Wolfe (@AWolfeful) December 23, 2020

-Got sued by one of his co-investors, who proved Calle was incompetent and didn't seem to actually care about turning a profit at LA Weekly. Hmmmm wonder why!
-Acted a fool in every interview, lying about me personally and my colleagues multiple times

— April Wolfe (@AWolfeful) December 23, 2020

A reminder that Brian Calle has spent the last two years worshipping at the altar of the brazenly corrupt LA County Sheriff Alex Villanueva, the "Donald Trump of law enforcement."

No greater sham than a pro cop "alternative paper." https://t.co/Y5eTPQfExC

— Otto Von Biz Markie (@Passionweiss) December 22, 2020

Flash back to earlier this summer when at the height of the uprising, Brian Calle's Vichy LA Weekly seized the moment to spread Blue Lives Matter propaganda https://t.co/SphBXEWZZM

— Otto Von Biz Markie (@Passionweiss) December 22, 2020

In a last ditch attempt to stave off looming bankruptcy, the brochure-sized LA Weekly is now resorting to selling its cover to ambulance chaser attorneys.

This has to be the most pathetic thing I’ve ever seen in an industry that somehow continues to sink to new lows. pic.twitter.com/Te9SBMKuHb

— Otto Von Biz Markie (@Passionweiss) March 6, 2020

huge rant (sic), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 20:15 (three years ago) link

Yeah, I can't see this being a good thing given what's happened with L.A. Weekly. More likely, they've re-animated the Voice's corpse to do horrendous things against its will.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 22:27 (three years ago) link

There is approximately 0 chance that the latter is not the case, with a 0 margin of error.

huge rant (sic), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 23:00 (three years ago) link

People lose their memories every 3 years, and you have to remind them that everything Brian Calle touches turns to turds and that his "gee golly who me" attitude belies a guy WHO LEARNED HOW TO LAUNDER RIGHT-WING TALKING POINTS INTO THE MAINSTREAM WITH JAMES O'KEEFE. https://t.co/8ms8olJnEn

— April Wolfe (@AWolfeful) December 23, 2020

It makes me feel insane that people somehow forget Brian Calle was VP at the Claremont Institute & then was magically placed in the role of opinion editor for SoCal News Group. That's not an accident. He wasn't a journalist. This guy was trained for laundering and grifting.

— April Wolfe (@AWolfeful) December 23, 2020

huge rant (sic), Thursday, 24 December 2020 05:00 (three years ago) link

ugh

curmudgeon, Friday, 25 December 2020 15:37 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

And just realized after all these years that this song has kind of the “I Want Candy” variant of the Bo Diddley Beat.

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 18 April 2021 00:41 (three years ago) link

Forgot the #onethread

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 18 April 2021 01:15 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

let's twist again

why do my hips hurt

Took a gander at the twitter account of the guy Brian Calle just hired as the new CEO of Village Voice. He's a Hamptons Trump bro obsessed with the Hunter Biden laptop conspiracy theory. Surprised he didn't go private before the announcement. pic.twitter.com/VNqjEryGKB

— April Wolfe (@AWolfeful) July 1, 2021

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Friday, 2 July 2021 06:42 (two years ago) link

For fuck's sake, someone please put the Voice out of its misery. It deserves a dignified death, not this.

birdistheword, Friday, 2 July 2021 20:31 (two years ago) link

Same thought: just sad.

clemenza, Friday, 2 July 2021 20:54 (two years ago) link

Think you'll find selling it to Calle eradicated any possibility of dignity.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Friday, 2 July 2021 21:12 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

So they've got a Fall 2021 Print Edition online, and latest (?) music coverage:
https://www.villagevoice.com/category/music-2021/

dow, Monday, 20 September 2021 16:48 (two years ago) link

I Don’t trust new owner based on what I have read, so kind of ignoring new Voice

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 28 September 2021 16:51 (two years ago) link


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