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Oh my God, what just happened at P-Fork
Mon Apr 1 07:08:25 2002
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I'm not going to spew any elitist bullshit, but Alanis Morrissette, Kylie Minogue? Oh my fucking God. I'll stay for a little while to see if P-Fork still serves my needs, but with today's front page, I'm not counting on it. I understand the career move, but I just don't think it's going to serve me any more.

jess, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

stu Re: Oh my God, what just happened at P-Fork Mon Apr 1 07:41:08 2002 65.92.243.96

I wonder if it's going to serve anyone's needs. I don't think a web- only publication can attract readers interested in Alanis Morissette and Kylie Minogue. To my knowledge, no one actually hunts down information about such artists. People just hear about it on tv and that's it. Let's give Pitchfork a few months, until the corporate contributors pull the plug.

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

I am very disappointed. Could they have made it any more obvious? COME ON, PEOPLE.

David Raposa, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

I don't think a web- only publication can attract readers interested in Alanis Morissette and Kylie Minogue.

QUOTE OF THE YEAR.

jess, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

What makes me think that things will be back to normal by tomorrow? ;)

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

I don't know Sean... it would be April 2nd, which would make it one day after...

Andy K, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

You scalawags, you make me laff. Perhaps.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Speaking of which, HEY NED! My Bloody Valentine are finally releasing their new album!

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

We thought about that as one of the news items.

Dare, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

"i for one will not be returning to this site if you're seriously going to be reviewing alanis. like i can't read that shit everywhere and anywhere? the reason i had pitchfork as my home page was because i could actually find out about the shit i care about. i'm glad you can pay your rent now, it's too bad that you sold out your millions of readers for britney fans in body glitter to do it."

Dare, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

pitchfork as your homepage, classic or dud?

the first thing i thought (after, well, this is no all cure all the time) was that i wished they really had "sold out" (what the fuck, is this 93?), because maybe it would mean LESS GODDAMN PROG.

jess, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

he's calling you out, leone. FITE!

Todd Burns, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

I think I'd rather read about Alanis and Kylie than most of the stuff they normally review.

Sean, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Their funniest joke came months ago.

Nicole, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

I don't know what all you fools are talking about... I only WISH all of it were true.

Well, the Albini thing practically is...

mr. sparkle, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

We thought about that as one of the news items.

Makes sense, really.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

I don't know what all you fools are talking about... I only WISH all of it were true.

Well, the Albini thing practically is... huh???

Brock K., Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

LESS GODDAMN PROG

So, does that mean we'll write about the next Radiohead album, or not?

dleone, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

And that Flaming Lips thing actually is true. I think.

powertonevolume, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Hein? Is the joke that Pitchfork reviewed some pop musik?? Even their KYLIE review was as dull as www.defra.gov.uk/farm/sustain/default.htm ARRRGHHHHHHHHH!! Then again Pitchfork = dull is a big shocker along the lines of Nelson in COLUMN!!!!!! shocker.

Sarah, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

'On' column? 'HAS' column?! I can see him from my bladdy window but does that help my BRANE I think NICHT.

Sarah, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Dom, how much of the Kylie review was farce? "The song exudes a catchiness that belies its inherent simplicity, so reassuring during an era when chart acts sound increasingly baroque and producers race to see who can ape electronic music trends first" sounds at least semi-serious.

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

that is because kylie is, like sophie ellis bextor, going for a retro- mancuso/levan vibe, with all the classicism inherent in such an endeavour.

gareth, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Actually, I did try to write about that record in the same way I would have for anything else at Pitchfork. I thought the gag would be better if people really thought we were changing styles, and Spin may be full of ads, but at least the reviews aren't jokes! As far as I know, anyway. Dullness wasn't intentional though.

dleone, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

best e-mail address ever, eh starbar?

dudley, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Dead right sir. Power shandies all round to the geezer behind it eh?

Sarah, Wednesday, 3 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

From: DWilliams@EQRWORLD.com Subject: NO, Just Admit You Like It Up There

You have completed your learning of life's lessons. Now, you suck ass just like all the other bores before you. Kylie, Alanis? Whatever, bitch. I am sure you already have the defense mechanisms in place so, this will mean nothing but, another exercise in...oh, who cares. Looking elsewhere for reality...or maybe I can pretend to be a rubber worm like pitchwhore.com...here big fishie, look, I rounded 'em up for you in a arrel. A whole demographic!

Not Funny

Dare, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

5 years pass...

Y'know sometimes they really are asking for it:

"White Williams issues a debut album layered with impeccable influences-- including Roxy Music, Beck, and T. Rex-- and a sense of calculated disaffection."

Well shit SIGN ME UP.

lukas, Thursday, 1 November 2007 18:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that was a bit of a repellant blurb if I ever saw one.

Z S, Thursday, 1 November 2007 19:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

Wait, are you saying that doesn't seem accurate?

nabisco, Thursday, 1 November 2007 19:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

I read 'White' as 'While' and thought "The Saul Williams album sounds like that?"

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 November 2007 19:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

it's more that they used that as their _hook_

x-post

lukas, Thursday, 1 November 2007 19:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

The front blurbs are always stripped/condensed summary descriptions from the review inside -- in this case

His songs are thin and languorous, with impeccable influences and the sort of calculated disaffection that comes from an MFA in design and a good weed connection.

nabisco, Thursday, 1 November 2007 19:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

omg that is horrorshow

The blurb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the article quote

HI DERE, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:18 (7 years ago) Permalink

I assume that's an article quote; nabisco, if you just made that up then SHAME ON YOU.

HI DERE, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

why would a critic ever try to guess where a song comes from?

Mr. Que, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm more bothered by beck as impeccable influence

dmr, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

Wait, are you saying that doesn't seem accurate?

The description of "a sense of calculated disaffection", a combination of words that makes me imagine the shittiest band of all time, followed by "recommended" was repellant for me. I guess I like my disaffection to be natural, not carefully planned, so I would never recommend something like that.

Then again, I've never heard it so what do I know and so on.

Z S, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

b-but someone at pfork said "hm, how can we get people to read this review? I know! we'll mention the artist's impeccable influences and calculated disaffection! that'll reel 'em in!"

RIP satire etc

lukas, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

they could have collaged+mis-used _anything_ from the article, and they collaged+mis-used that

lukas, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

The White Williams album reminds me much more of late 10cc and Bread than of Roxy Music. That bit was like the classic "Let's over-hip our influences" review.

I eat cannibals, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

The description of "a sense of calculated disaffection", a combination of words that makes me imagine the shittiest band of all time, followed by "recommended" was repellant for me.

See, this sounds like the blurb WORKED for you -- i.e., efficiently let you know you would probably not like this act.

I agree, though, it looks kind of weird to have such a neutral-to-disparaging summary blurb on a recommended album.

nabisco, Thursday, 1 November 2007 22:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

I like how they gave the new Babyshambles, which is actually tuneful and a good all around album, a 4.0, but gave the first one, which is dreadful and hard to listen to / bloated, a 7.3,

Yeah, it was definitely TWICE as good as the new one. Fuckin' morons.

Erock Zombie, Friday, 2 November 2007 18:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

ugh, "impeccable influences" is really repulsive.

Hurting 2, Friday, 2 November 2007 18:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

(xpost) was that a parody or are you really getting worked up about an internet score for babyshambles

dmr, Friday, 2 November 2007 18:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

He was worked up?

roxymuzak, Friday, 2 November 2007 18:49 (7 years ago) Permalink

wait, i thought the grading scale was logarithmic. like 5 is twice as good as 4. somebody email ryan schreiber to find out.

elan, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

shit, now i need to reevaluate all my purchases of the last five years.

elan, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:16 (7 years ago) Permalink

It's actually modelled after the Richter Scale, hence the superlative designations of various well-reviewed albums as either "Reccomended," "Best New Music," or "Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On."

Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

I just played Raising Hell for the first time in 12 years before the power went out and thought, Fuck, that's good this album is.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 August 2015 02:25 (3 days ago) Permalink

"imagine the good "piece" criticizing the choices on a pitchfork list"

i totally wrote one! and now they send me money. win/win!

scott seward, Thursday, 27 August 2015 02:28 (3 days ago) Permalink

"It's like that" was the 12" that singlehandedly killed old school hip hop in one swipe.

Ehh, this is the enshrined narrative, but it's pretty simplistic. It's not like everyone who was releasing records in the early 80's careers just stopped short the second Run-DMC hit. Both sides of the Furious 5 camp kept having at least minor hits through the mid-80s (including one that made this list), as did Bambaataa. Kurtis Blow (with a small Run-DMC assist, admittedly), Spoonie Gee, and Kool Moe Dee all had comebacks in the mid to late 80s, including Blow and Moe Dee's biggest hits. Electro happily existed on either side of the "It's Like That"/"Sucker MCs" line, as did Jimmy Spicer. Sugarhill Gang and The Sequence had already run out of steam, Funky 4+1 had broken up, Cold Crush Brothers and Crash Crew never had recording careers worthy of their live reputations. Whodini and the Boogie Boys were already bubbling under.

Yeah, it did totally change the sound of hiphop, but it was more of a gradual process than an overnight thing. Like I said earlier, disco-rap was already on its last legs by the time Run-DMC hit, although sure, they dealt it the death blow. But the biggest rap records of '82 were like...."Planet Rock", "The Message", "Rockin' It", "The Bubble Bunch", none of which sound like anything from 1981, let alone 1979. Things were already changing. And also like I said, it took a year or two for Run's sound to become dominant. Electro was huge, especially outside of New York.

It's interesting the variety of music you have in hiphop movies of that era, going from a very traditional sound in Wild Style to pure electro in Breakin' And Enterin' or Breakin' to the harder new sound (of course) in Krush Groove

best beloved george benson (The Reverend), Thursday, 27 August 2015 02:37 (3 days ago) Permalink

apologies to anyone not interested in 80s hiphop chronology, but it's been a thing of mine lately

best beloved george benson (The Reverend), Thursday, 27 August 2015 02:37 (3 days ago) Permalink

Blow pops up on Rene & Angela's #1 "Save Your Love" in '85 for example

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 August 2015 02:39 (3 days ago) Permalink

xpost you're both right if you don't take deej's statement literally, ilxor piskor

Now Dom Go Suggbanizer Way (Why?) (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 27 August 2015 02:39 (3 days ago) Permalink

rock on, flash...

scott seward, Thursday, 27 August 2015 02:40 (3 days ago) Permalink

the first time i noticed a real change in rap was with whodini! so, around 1983. i mean, they stood out. and sounded...uh...fresh. and then run dmc. and the fat boys! actually. which was 1984.

scott seward, Thursday, 27 August 2015 02:44 (3 days ago) Permalink

Straight Outta Compton is totally better than Fuck Tha Police btw

Xxxp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 August 2015 02:44 (3 days ago) Permalink

i really should have put magic's wand next to she blinded me with science on my pitchfork list edit.

scott seward, Thursday, 27 August 2015 02:47 (3 days ago) Permalink

also Ego Trip blew my mind and i think i heard that before the first run dmc album. i always want to think the 1st run dmc and ego trip came out in '83 but they really didn't. anyway, aj scratch and basketball sounded next level to me at the time. and cooler to me than older kurtis i had heard back then.

scott seward, Thursday, 27 August 2015 02:50 (3 days ago) Permalink

Blow pops up on Rene & Angela's #1 "Save Your Love" in '85 for example

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, August 26, 2015 7:39 PM Bookmark

Oh yeah, I also totally forgot the whole Melle Mel being on a mainstream pop hit thing, even though I talked about "I Feel For You" earlier. Oops.

best beloved george benson (The Reverend), Thursday, 27 August 2015 02:51 (3 days ago) Permalink

Straight Outta Compton is totally better than Fuck Tha Police btw

Xxxp

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, August 26, 2015 7:44 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah but "Gangsta, Gangsta" is better than either.

best beloved george benson (The Reverend), Thursday, 27 August 2015 02:52 (3 days ago) Permalink

It's too bad that in that one piece of blurb real estate no one directly tackled NWA's sexism, because then it could more accurately reflect every other piece being written about NWA in 2015
― mods = chickenshit idiots (D-40), Thursday, August 27, 2015

itt chickenshit points out that excessively calling out NWA for sexism is exasperating

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 27 August 2015 03:35 (3 days ago) Permalink

truly we've been focussed on the wrong issues here

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 27 August 2015 03:36 (3 days ago) Permalink

You got to a party and put on NWA, that going to be a short party.. Put on some P.E. and you may have a decent party, But.... You put on some DMC, and you're bound to get some that night for rockin the party

http://community.oldschoollive.com/t7696971/nwa-vs-run-dmc/

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 27 August 2015 05:16 (3 days ago) Permalink

NWA is the only group I have actually heard at a party that wasn't explicitly old school hip hop

mods = chickenshit idiots (D-40), Thursday, 27 August 2015 06:29 (3 days ago) Permalink

old school hip hop is great at parties though

I don't really agree with the above quote I posted. There's hip hop for parties which is the kind of hip hop kids cut a rugs to these days and there's conscious, political hip hop which really should be avoided like the plague at social gatherings. NWA is the latter.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 27 August 2015 06:38 (3 days ago) Permalink

There's the middle ground of course. Grandmaster Flash's The Message per example is a great party song that still sounds fresh in 2015 and it's also a great sociopolitical song, that has a... well, message that still sounds relevant.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 27 August 2015 06:41 (3 days ago) Permalink

itt chickenshit points out that excessively calling out NWA for sexism is exasperating
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, August 26, 2015 10:35 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is not at all what happened.

mods = chickenshit idiots (D-40), Thursday, 27 August 2015 06:58 (3 days ago) Permalink

Something 2 Dance 2: https://youtu.be/kcI_rUWHSmo

Vernon Locke, Thursday, 27 August 2015 07:01 (3 days ago) Permalink

That is actually a good, yet an incredibly stupid and unremarkable party song. Not their usual style though, it's clearly filler.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 27 August 2015 07:05 (3 days ago) Permalink

old school hip hop is great at parties though

I don't really agree with the above quote I posted. There's hip hop for parties which is the kind of hip hop kids cut a rugs to these days and there's conscious, political hip hop which really should be avoided like the plague at social gatherings. NWA is the latter.

Right, like last Thursday when I was playing out in a bar and mixed Fetty Wap into "Boyz-n-the-Hood" and people lost it.

best beloved george benson (The Reverend), Thursday, 27 August 2015 08:21 (3 days ago) Permalink

"Something 2 Dance 2" is more hedgebetting than filler. Straight Outta Compton is as full of trap doors and get out of jail free cards as any album ever.

best beloved george benson (The Reverend), Thursday, 27 August 2015 08:24 (3 days ago) Permalink

if it's a half assed effort that sounds like it was just for fun is filler. It doesn't sound like a serious hedgefunding effort that would have saved them if anything else failed.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 27 August 2015 08:31 (3 days ago) Permalink

Salon weighs in:

"But was it really so urgent to put George Benson’s “Give Me the Night” (just about all of his jazz guitar songs are better and less overplayed), Michael McDonald’s “I Keep Forgettin (Every Time You’re Near),” Tears for Fears’ “Head Over Heels,” Hall and Oates “I Can’t Go For That,” or Phil Collins’ drum machine nightmare “In the Air Tonight”?"

http://www.salon.com/2015/08/27/are_these_really_the_best_songs_of_the_80s_picking_apart_pitchforks_fascinating_frustrating_list/

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 August 2015 21:24 (3 days ago) Permalink

atrociously proofread too

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 August 2015 21:25 (3 days ago) Permalink

All great, stuff

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 27 August 2015 21:29 (3 days ago) Permalink

Thank you, stuff said

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 August 2015 21:34 (3 days ago) Permalink

xpost

isn't something 2 dance 2 Arabian Prince's sole contribution to that record? not sure about hedgebetting, but he, Dre and Yella all had electro roots prior to NWA, so this just seems like their (token?) acknowledgement of them.

Dominique, Thursday, 27 August 2015 21:35 (3 days ago) Permalink

Man, the '80s were so long ago, and there were just soooo many songs. So many. I can barely remember them all. Like, remember "Bette Davis Eyes?" I think it was the first hit song with a Synare in it. How about Donnie Iris' "Ah Leah"? What happened to that guy!?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 August 2015 21:41 (3 days ago) Permalink

itt chickenshit points out that excessively calling out NWA for sexism is exasperating
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, August 26, 2015 10:35 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is not at all what happened.
― mods = chickenshit idiots (D-40), Thursday, August 27, 2015 6:58 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's too bad that in that one piece of blurb real estate no one directly tackled NWA's sexism, because then it could more accurately reflect every other piece being written about NWA in 2015
― mods = chickenshit idiots (D-40), Thursday, August 27, 2015 1

give me a different reading of this sentence

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 27 August 2015 21:43 (3 days ago) Permalink

isn't something 2 dance 2 Arabian Prince's sole contribution to that record? not sure about hedgebetting, but he, Dre and Yella all had electro roots prior to NWA, so this just seems like their (token?) acknowledgement of them.

― Dominique, Thursday, August 27, 2015 2:35 PM Bookmark

Yeah, it's the only track AP was involved with. I always kinda looked at the track as those three going "well if this new gangsta thing doesn't work out..." we still have something for the clubs. Like OF COURSE they slapped it on the b-side of "Gangsta, Gangsta". And then there's "Express Yourself" as another trap door, just leading to a different room.

best beloved george benson (The Reverend), Thursday, 27 August 2015 21:53 (3 days ago) Permalink

I think I've read twenty or so of the blurbs, just kind of going through it and reading ones I was interested in. I'm interested in the extent to which these blurbs (and, in a wider sense, modern pop criticism in general) ends up staying within a formula. The things I see as possibly being formulaic would be:

1) Possibly talk about the narrative of the song or sociological aspects of the lyrics.

2) Maybe talk a little about the performances. (I say a little because I don't know if I'm seeing a lot of this.)

3) Talk about production and technology, reflecting a certain small -in my opinion - pool of interests (who used gated drums, who used a Fairlight, who used certain drum machines, etc.)

timellison, Thursday, 27 August 2015 23:51 (3 days ago) Permalink

I realize that number one on there can mean a lot of things, so maybe I'm questioning the extent to which it's become formulaic in practice, in execution.

timellison, Friday, 28 August 2015 00:00 (2 days ago) Permalink

4) talk about how the song functioned in a film which may or may not have actually been made in the 80s, or talk about the MTV video.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 28 August 2015 00:48 (2 days ago) Permalink

5) display results of whosampled.com search.

Vernon Locke, Friday, 28 August 2015 01:28 (2 days ago) Permalink

That Salon article is so useless.

Tim F, Friday, 28 August 2015 02:01 (2 days ago) Permalink

there are really only so many ways to write a blurb like this for something other than your personal blog

for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Friday, 28 August 2015 04:28 (2 days ago) Permalink

I don't agree. I'm not sure why that's any different from saying that there are only so many ways to write a song or do some other creative act. And why writing for Pitchfork, in particular, necessitates these things is something I'm also unclear about.

timellison, Friday, 28 August 2015 04:38 (2 days ago) Permalink

(or some other venue that's something other than a blog)

timellison, Friday, 28 August 2015 04:39 (2 days ago) Permalink

I just realized they snubbed Peter Schilling - Major Tom it would have been a better addition than those two Bowie songs. It's kind of the unofficial sequel to Ashes to Ashes and Space Oddity.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 28 August 2015 06:17 (2 days ago) Permalink

Or if you're going to have a Bowie single from the 80's Ashes to Ashes is the right one.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 28 August 2015 06:19 (2 days ago) Permalink

re: Salon; there are a lot of things to say about how weird some of the list choices are, but "WHERE IS UNCLE TUPELO?" is definitely not something that would come to mind

jamiesummerz, Friday, 28 August 2015 10:06 (2 days ago) Permalink

Damn, the 80s were great. You could totally make a Top 10,000 Songs of the 80s list and it would all be great stuff. I don't think you could do that for any other decade.

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 28 August 2015 13:15 (2 days ago) Permalink

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 28 August 2015 22:36 (2 days ago) Permalink

1982 version superior for inclusion of the word "hobo" in the chorus.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 28 August 2015 22:41 (2 days ago) Permalink

HOW IS THIS NOT ON THE LIST?

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 28 August 2015 22:44 (2 days ago) Permalink

srsly!

how's life, Friday, 28 August 2015 22:55 (2 days ago) Permalink

ha I'm skimming through their 90s list and found the answer to "Where's George Michael?"

best beloved george benson (The Reverend), Friday, 28 August 2015 23:38 (2 days ago) Permalink


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