pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

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Mon Apr 1 07:08:25 2002
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I'm not going to spew any elitist bullshit, but Alanis Morrissette, Kylie Minogue? Oh my fucking God. I'll stay for a little while to see if P-Fork still serves my needs, but with today's front page, I'm not counting on it. I understand the career move, but I just don't think it's going to serve me any more.

jess, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

stu Re: Oh my God, what just happened at P-Fork Mon Apr 1 07:41:08 2002 65.92.243.96

I wonder if it's going to serve anyone's needs. I don't think a web- only publication can attract readers interested in Alanis Morissette and Kylie Minogue. To my knowledge, no one actually hunts down information about such artists. People just hear about it on tv and that's it. Let's give Pitchfork a few months, until the corporate contributors pull the plug.

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

I am very disappointed. Could they have made it any more obvious? COME ON, PEOPLE.

David Raposa, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

I don't think a web- only publication can attract readers interested in Alanis Morissette and Kylie Minogue.

QUOTE OF THE YEAR.

jess, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

What makes me think that things will be back to normal by tomorrow? ;)

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

I don't know Sean... it would be April 2nd, which would make it one day after...

Andy K, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

You scalawags, you make me laff. Perhaps.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Speaking of which, HEY NED! My Bloody Valentine are finally releasing their new album!

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

We thought about that as one of the news items.

Dare, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

"i for one will not be returning to this site if you're seriously going to be reviewing alanis. like i can't read that shit everywhere and anywhere? the reason i had pitchfork as my home page was because i could actually find out about the shit i care about. i'm glad you can pay your rent now, it's too bad that you sold out your millions of readers for britney fans in body glitter to do it."

Dare, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

pitchfork as your homepage, classic or dud?

the first thing i thought (after, well, this is no all cure all the time) was that i wished they really had "sold out" (what the fuck, is this 93?), because maybe it would mean LESS GODDAMN PROG.

jess, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

he's calling you out, leone. FITE!

Todd Burns, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

I think I'd rather read about Alanis and Kylie than most of the stuff they normally review.

Sean, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Their funniest joke came months ago.

Nicole, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

I don't know what all you fools are talking about... I only WISH all of it were true.

Well, the Albini thing practically is...

mr. sparkle, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

We thought about that as one of the news items.

Makes sense, really.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

I don't know what all you fools are talking about... I only WISH all of it were true.

Well, the Albini thing practically is... huh???

Brock K., Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

LESS GODDAMN PROG

So, does that mean we'll write about the next Radiohead album, or not?

dleone, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

And that Flaming Lips thing actually is true. I think.

powertonevolume, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Hein? Is the joke that Pitchfork reviewed some pop musik?? Even their KYLIE review was as dull as www.defra.gov.uk/farm/sustain/default.htm ARRRGHHHHHHHHH!! Then again Pitchfork = dull is a big shocker along the lines of Nelson in COLUMN!!!!!! shocker.

Sarah, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

'On' column? 'HAS' column?! I can see him from my bladdy window but does that help my BRANE I think NICHT.

Sarah, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Dom, how much of the Kylie review was farce? "The song exudes a catchiness that belies its inherent simplicity, so reassuring during an era when chart acts sound increasingly baroque and producers race to see who can ape electronic music trends first" sounds at least semi-serious.

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

that is because kylie is, like sophie ellis bextor, going for a retro- mancuso/levan vibe, with all the classicism inherent in such an endeavour.

gareth, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Actually, I did try to write about that record in the same way I would have for anything else at Pitchfork. I thought the gag would be better if people really thought we were changing styles, and Spin may be full of ads, but at least the reviews aren't jokes! As far as I know, anyway. Dullness wasn't intentional though.

dleone, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

best e-mail address ever, eh starbar?

dudley, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Dead right sir. Power shandies all round to the geezer behind it eh?

Sarah, Wednesday, 3 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

From: DWilliams@EQRWORLD.com Subject: NO, Just Admit You Like It Up There

You have completed your learning of life's lessons. Now, you suck ass just like all the other bores before you. Kylie, Alanis? Whatever, bitch. I am sure you already have the defense mechanisms in place so, this will mean nothing but, another exercise in...oh, who cares. Looking elsewhere for reality...or maybe I can pretend to be a rubber worm like pitchwhore.com...here big fishie, look, I rounded 'em up for you in a arrel. A whole demographic!

Not Funny

Dare, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

5 years pass...

Y'know sometimes they really are asking for it:

"White Williams issues a debut album layered with impeccable influences-- including Roxy Music, Beck, and T. Rex-- and a sense of calculated disaffection."

Well shit SIGN ME UP.

lukas, Thursday, 1 November 2007 18:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that was a bit of a repellant blurb if I ever saw one.

Z S, Thursday, 1 November 2007 19:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

Wait, are you saying that doesn't seem accurate?

nabisco, Thursday, 1 November 2007 19:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

I read 'White' as 'While' and thought "The Saul Williams album sounds like that?"

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 November 2007 19:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

it's more that they used that as their _hook_

x-post

lukas, Thursday, 1 November 2007 19:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

The front blurbs are always stripped/condensed summary descriptions from the review inside -- in this case

His songs are thin and languorous, with impeccable influences and the sort of calculated disaffection that comes from an MFA in design and a good weed connection.

nabisco, Thursday, 1 November 2007 19:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

omg that is horrorshow

The blurb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the article quote

HI DERE, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:18 (7 years ago) Permalink

I assume that's an article quote; nabisco, if you just made that up then SHAME ON YOU.

HI DERE, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

why would a critic ever try to guess where a song comes from?

Mr. Que, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm more bothered by beck as impeccable influence

dmr, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

Wait, are you saying that doesn't seem accurate?

The description of "a sense of calculated disaffection", a combination of words that makes me imagine the shittiest band of all time, followed by "recommended" was repellant for me. I guess I like my disaffection to be natural, not carefully planned, so I would never recommend something like that.

Then again, I've never heard it so what do I know and so on.

Z S, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

b-but someone at pfork said "hm, how can we get people to read this review? I know! we'll mention the artist's impeccable influences and calculated disaffection! that'll reel 'em in!"

RIP satire etc

lukas, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

they could have collaged+mis-used _anything_ from the article, and they collaged+mis-used that

lukas, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

The White Williams album reminds me much more of late 10cc and Bread than of Roxy Music. That bit was like the classic "Let's over-hip our influences" review.

I eat cannibals, Thursday, 1 November 2007 20:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

The description of "a sense of calculated disaffection", a combination of words that makes me imagine the shittiest band of all time, followed by "recommended" was repellant for me.

See, this sounds like the blurb WORKED for you -- i.e., efficiently let you know you would probably not like this act.

I agree, though, it looks kind of weird to have such a neutral-to-disparaging summary blurb on a recommended album.

nabisco, Thursday, 1 November 2007 22:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

I like how they gave the new Babyshambles, which is actually tuneful and a good all around album, a 4.0, but gave the first one, which is dreadful and hard to listen to / bloated, a 7.3,

Yeah, it was definitely TWICE as good as the new one. Fuckin' morons.

Erock Zombie, Friday, 2 November 2007 18:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

ugh, "impeccable influences" is really repulsive.

Hurting 2, Friday, 2 November 2007 18:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

(xpost) was that a parody or are you really getting worked up about an internet score for babyshambles

dmr, Friday, 2 November 2007 18:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

He was worked up?

roxymuzak, Friday, 2 November 2007 18:49 (7 years ago) Permalink

wait, i thought the grading scale was logarithmic. like 5 is twice as good as 4. somebody email ryan schreiber to find out.

elan, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

shit, now i need to reevaluate all my purchases of the last five years.

elan, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:16 (7 years ago) Permalink

It's actually modelled after the Richter Scale, hence the superlative designations of various well-reviewed albums as either "Reccomended," "Best New Music," or "Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On."

Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 2 November 2007 19:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

fwiw Black Constellation also not white, but not pictured

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Monday, 10 November 2014 15:55 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

the only thing i would read on there is the out door thing. in fact, i might actually go look for it. the rest is zzzzzzzzzzzzzz....no offense to ilxor pitchfork people old and new. #onelove

scott seward, Monday, 10 November 2014 16:27 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

(aphex twin is so deadly boring to read about. and i love andy beta!) (maybe i should read that now in the interest of fairness...)

scott seward, Monday, 10 November 2014 16:30 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

this is a good review of an album i'm enjoying a lot right now. everyone should get this cd:

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/19164-yg-my-krazy-life/

scott seward, Monday, 10 November 2014 16:37 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Well there was at least that small chunk of articles that you skipped between The Outdoor and Caribou.

MarkoP, Monday, 10 November 2014 16:40 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

xpost that YG record would be borderline perfect if not for "do it to ya" and "me & my bitch" - former bc it's hot trash and latter is just super meh and it being sequenced after "do it" almost irreperably fucks the momentum of the album in the gallbladder but fortunately "who do you love" is there to save the day

ichabron crames (slothroprhymes), Monday, 10 November 2014 16:45 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

totally good stuff on here:

http://pitchfork.com/features/the-out-door/9521-overlooked-experimental-records-2014/

was debating buying that naked island LP on discogs just the other day. one of the dudes from starving weirdos who i love a ton.

scott seward, Monday, 10 November 2014 16:45 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah the out door is great! definitely one of my favorite things on the internet.

tylerw, Monday, 10 November 2014 16:47 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

but maybe that belongs on the pitchfork is OK! (#34985859340293849494 in a series.) thread

tylerw, Monday, 10 November 2014 16:49 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i went to the chain store across the street this morning to get barrel brothers album and step brothers album and they didn't have either one cuz they are SO LAME!! lamest store on earth. total Deviant Type Titans over there in that mess. so, i did end up getting the YG on cd and i'm glad i did cuz it sounds amazing on cd and on my big-ass tandy-brand foghat speakers. and i got schoolboy q at a reduced price. but not the deluxe edition. i ain't going on no fuckin' amazon for some skyzoo. kinda one of the only minuses about living around here. maple syrup up the ass but no skyzoo in sight.

scott seward, Monday, 10 November 2014 16:53 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

the bonus tracks on that schoolboy record aren't any good (the album itself is v enjoyable and great in places), so no loss there

ichabron crames (slothroprhymes), Monday, 10 November 2014 16:57 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah figured as much. and the schoolboy album is great, but i wanted to hear this on my big speakerz:

scott seward, Monday, 10 November 2014 17:15 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i need that

punk rocketeer (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 10 November 2014 17:37 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah I loved that Overlooked Experimental column <3 <3

fgti, Monday, 10 November 2014 17:45 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

p4k is druuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunk giving this azealia banks album an 8 i gotta say

ichabron crames (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 15:46 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

this is otm:

xpost that YG record would be borderline perfect if not for "do it to ya" and "me & my bitch" - former bc it's hot trash and latter is just super meh and it being sequenced after "do it" almost irreperably fucks the momentum of the album in the gallbladder but fortunately "who do you love" is there to save the day

― ichabron crames (slothroprhymes)

still the rap record of the year, tho, unless RTJ overtakes it in these last two months. hard to imagine that happening; i played "Krazy" almost nonstop all summer

alpine static, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 16:27 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

a-wax is up there for me, but it's kind of depressing to play all the time

punk rocketeer (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 16:28 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

^^ need to hear that

admittedly, YG is a standout in a rough year for rap albums

alpine static, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 16:31 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

xpost that YG record would be borderline perfect if not for "do it to ya" and "me & my bitch" - former bc it's hot trash and latter is just super meh and it being sequenced after "do it" almost irreperably fucks the momentum of the album in the gallbladder but fortunately "who do you love" is there to save the day
― ichabron crames (slothroprhymes)

this is an extremely wrong opinion -- one of the reasons why the album is so strong is because the R&B tracks are incredible

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 November 2014 16:55 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

wut, i mean "me & my bitch" isn't bad, per se, just kinda a step down whereas idk how much syrup was consumed to make "do it to ya" sound like a good idea imo

i havent listened to krazy life all the way through - w/o skipping those tracks - in a while tho, so a reevaluation in full is in order

ichabron crames (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:00 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i agree with slothrop, what is incredible about the r&b tracks? they're so boring. rest of the album is what's excellent

lex pretend, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:04 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i should've said that they're incredible for being obvious for-the-ladies tracks, but they're also just very good songs in their own right. you guys really can't vibe to "me & my bitch" what the hell? both of those songs are classic smooth summer songs.

in a sense YG lucked out that mustardwave has encompassed thugged out male R&B singing, it really keeps 'my krazy life' afloat and fits right in the tone of the album. i mean the legacy of rap albums that sag because ill-fitting R&B songs are shoehorned into the tracklist is obvious? "do it to ya" & "me & my bitch" remind me of how t.i. snuck "why you wanna" into 'king' (except times 2)

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:35 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i highly recommend hearing the album on CD thru good speakers. if that's possible. sounds so friggin' cool. loud too. listen loud. they did a great job with the disc. kinda tempted to go buy the Future album just to hear it thru my big speakers at work. bet that would sound awesome.

scott seward, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:38 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i love the flow of the YG album.

scott seward, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:39 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

YG/Future are amazing, but lets all just agree that RTJ2 is better

look what you did, you lil durk (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:42 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Every time someone posts that I think they're saying RJD2 and I'm like wha

Fairly peng (wins), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:43 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i highly recommend hearing the album on CD thru good speakers. if that's possible. sounds so friggin' cool. loud too. listen loud. they did a great job with the disc. kinda tempted to go buy the Future album just to hear it thru my big speakers at work. bet that would sound awesome.

― scott seward, Tuesday, November 11, 2014 12:38 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah the first time i heard it was at def jam's offices thru some $10,000 soundsystem or something and even tho i thought my ears might bleed it sounded unreal good, "left right" especially

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:44 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i mean the legacy of rap albums that sag because ill-fitting R&B songs are shoehorned into the tracklist is obvious?

it's def obvious, just never really dug it - not due to any anti-r&b feelings of mine but more due to those "ladies" tracks almost invariably not being in the skill set of the rappers who were dumping them on their records. as another awful recent example, consider "touch'n you" on rick ross's god forgives i don't. yikes. (not that that album isn't flawed for other reasons, prominently wale)

ichabron crames (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:47 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah the bass sounds so huge on good speakers

ha, i literally just finally got round to RTJ2 and didn't get the fuss at all, found it drab and extremely unfun

lex pretend, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:48 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i get the vibe of what yg was going for with the r&b trax but i don't think the songs are really there and i don't care about teeflii or tory lanez as performers or lyricists even a tiny bit

lex pretend, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:49 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

they both have sort of anaemic non-voices

lex pretend, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:50 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

ok i'll grant you that position -- i like that they're sort of floaty and barely there because those songs are really all about the beats anyway

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:56 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i felt bad about dismissing the new rtj so i actually went and listened to some of the first album and i liked it more now. mainly for the sound/beats. i've always kinda wished that el-p just did outside production for other people and never rapped. making cool noises has always been his main strength.

scott seward, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:57 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i like that they're sort of floaty and barely there

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, November 11, 2014 5:56 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so in character

lex pretend, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:58 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

like, if it were just a killer mike album with el-p silently producing the whole thing i would totally buy it.

scott seward, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:59 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i feel like el-p's beats on RTJ2 aren't even that great (unlike RTJ1) this time

gangsta boo popping up is the best moment obv, she's having this incredible year that no one's paying attention to

lex pretend, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:01 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i like that they're sort of floaty and barely there

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, November 11, 2014 5:56 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so in character

― lex pretend, Tuesday, November 11, 2014 12:58 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

i will also grant you this position

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:02 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

like, if it were just a killer mike album with el-p silently producing the whole thing i would totally buy it.

― scott seward, Tuesday, November 11, 2014 11:59 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

skot - R.A.P. Music by Killer Mike is exactly that!

punk rocketeer (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:03 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

ha, i literally just finally got round to RTJ2 and didn't get the fuss at all, found it drab and extremely unfun

― lex pretend, Tuesday, November 11, 2014 12:48 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

game recognize game

look what you did, you lil durk (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:21 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Lol

punk rocketeer (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 19:44 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

man i ran out and missed a decent mini-discussion of 'krazy' ... everyone pretty much otm on both sides. the r&b songs are fine for what they are, certainly better than most shoehorned r&b tracks on rap albums ... and i can vibe w/ me & my bitch, but do it to ya stinks. i appreciate their role in the album's narrative, but both singers are underwhelming.

absolutely no question, though, that having those two songs in a row is the weak point of the album.

alpine static, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 19:47 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

surprised no one here wants to push the DJ Quik out as best of the year rap album as well; i thought i was on ilx

I would not argue for votes to RTJ2, YG, Gene the Southern Child, A-Wax, isaiah rashad or shabazz palaces

i would also lean into cormega, lacrae, clipping, black milk, freddie gibbs, iamsu, schoolboy, snootie wild and i'd imagine the joey bada$$ and e40 albums are gonna be up there too.

i do need to work in z-ro and gangsta boo's album. what else?

Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 20:11 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

'me and my bitch' is awesome, feels like needed melodic respite & works as a reference to old cali street rap history w/out being heavyhanded by making it R&B

deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 20:12 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

the pitchfork thread is probably the most embarrassing thread to have a conversation about rap album of the year

look what you did, you lil durk (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 04:21 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

well yeah but there's only like twelve guys posting on the rap thread and i know their opinions of THE YEAR IN MUSIC as well as I'm gonna by now. cross pollinate a little.

Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 05:16 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i don't really care where i am on here. it's all the same to me.

scott seward, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 05:30 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i only talk about music now - for the most part - in a facebook group i'm in but nobody talks about rap there.

scott seward, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 05:32 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

a group started by a Pitchfork writer! to bring things 'round the bend...

scott seward, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 05:43 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

surprised no one here wants to push the DJ Quik out as best of the year rap album as well; i thought i was on ilx

this has surprisingly not stuck with me, i did love it on first listen but...

lex pretend, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 09:39 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

went through my krazy life in full again. "me & my bitch" is better than i initially gave it credit for though i stand by its interruption of the album.

"do it to ya" still sucks. its terrible. strangely, the skit part isn't what ruins it - wouldn't be that bad if not for the "bed" sound effects sounding more like a squeaky dog toy than a bed. tee flii simply can't fuckin sing and YG doesn't sell the loverman thing that well. he's no gates.

ichabron crames (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 20:53 (2 weeks ago) Permalink


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