"Wonderwall": I Don't Get It

"Say something
Shout it from the roof tops off your head,
Maybe sort of mean something,
Make me understand or I'll forget

You could hear the wise speeches
Wish upon a wave that had a sound
Recommend what life teaches
You to build a castle in your head"

"It's a bit early in the midnight hour for me,
To go through all the things that I want to be,
I don't believe in everything I see,
Y'know I'm blind so why d'you disagree

Take me away, cos I just dont want to stay,
And the lies you make me say are getting deeper every day,

These are crazy days but they make me shine,
Time keeps rolling by.

All Around The World,
You gotta spread the word,
Tell 'em what you heard,
You're gonna make a better day.

All Around The World,
You gotta spread the word,
Tell 'em what you heard,
You know it's gonna be okay.

What you gonna do when the walls come falling down,
You never move you never make a sound,
When you gonna swin with the ridges that you found,
If you're lost at sea well I hope that you drown,

Take me away, cos I just dont want to stay,
And the lies you make me say are getting deeper every day,

These are crazy days but they make me shine,
Time keeps rolling by.

All Around The World,
You gotta spread the word,
Tell 'em what you heard,
You're gonna make a better day.

And All Around The World,
You gotta spread the word,
Tell 'em what you heard,
You know it's gonna be okay.

Nanana, nanana, nananana nananaaa,
Nanana, nanana, nananana nananaaa,
Naaaa, naaaa, naaaaa, naaaaa, nanananana,
Nanananana, nanananana,

All Around The World,
You gotta spread the word,
Tell 'em what you heard,
You're gonna make a better day.

And All Around The World,
You gotta spread the word,
Tell 'em what you heard,
You know it's gonna be okay.

Cos All Around The World,
You gotta spread the word,
Tell 'em what you heard,
You're gonna make a better day.

And All Around The World,
You gotta spread the word,
Tell 'em what you heard,
You know it's gonna be okay.

It's gonna be okay!
It's gonna be okay!
It's gonna be okay!
It's gonna be okay!

All Around The World,
You gotta spread the word,
Tell 'em what you heard,
You're gonna make a better day,

Cos All Around The World,
You gotta spread the word,
Tell 'em what you heard,
You know it's gonna be okay.

All Around The World,
You gotta spread the word,
Tell 'em what you heard,
You're gonna make a better day,

All Around The World,
You gotta spread the word,
Tell 'em what you heard,
You know it's gonna be okay.

La lalalala la lalala la,
La lalalala la lalala la.

And I know what I know,
What I know what I know,
Yeah I know what I know,
It's gonna be okay.

And I know what I know,
What I know what I know,
Yeah I know what I know,
It's gonna be okay.

And I know what I know,
What I know what I know,
Yeah I know what I know,

It's gonna be okay.

And I know what I know,
What I know what I know
Yeah I know what I know
Pig's don't fly - never say die!!!

So things are gonna fly - never say die!!!
Things are gonna fly - never say die.

Nanana, nanana, nananana nananaaa
Nanana, nanana, nananana nananaaa

Things are gonna fly - never say die!!! So things are gonna fly - never say die!!!"

(And all the yawning poses! at least that's funny.)

No no no no no. One of those is genius, and the other one is total crap.

On the other hand, I pulled up Wonderwall and Champage Supernova, and I kind of hear more similiarities between Morning Glory and Wonderwall.

As for 'Wonderwall' - he's obviously singing to his own hard-on, as usual. All Oasis lyrics are a man addressing his own organ.

is one reason why this song has subconsciously shifted from "hit single by band" to "iconic important age-defining monster track" in most people's minds, IMHO.

- they don't do parody versions of any old song, so it must have been an important song

- the easy/lounge version was actually pretty decent, so it must have been a good song

(just brainstorming here, trying to answer your "Why the universal praise for this song" question)

http://www.undercover.com.au/pics/oasisliamros2002.jpg

"Wonderwall"= laddism finally admits it has a soft side. See also: Labour winning the 1997 elections.

I think this is nonsense and I don't even like Blur.

if you need an explanation of this song's impact and legend, just get 8 or 9 american males between the ages of 19-23 totally wasted and let them loose on a room at a karaoke place (preferrably in koreatown) and all the mysteries of the universe will be revealed.

There's apparently a Beastie Boys cover of Wonderwall floating around on the interweb. I tried downloading a copy of it, but it wouldn't play in iTunes for me.

The same goes for loud bands that release a ballad as a (typically the 3rd) single ... hence the Wonderwall problem. For a start, imagine the melody with out the backing...

Miss Kitten could do it. Or The Pogues.

Why does Blur come up everytime someone mentions Oasis? I don't see the connection.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roll_With_It

Roll With It was released as a single on 14 August 1995, and received a great deal of attention when Food Records, the label of chief Britpop rivals Blur, moved the original release date the single "Country House" to clash with it, sparking what came to be known as "The Battle of Britpop". The British media had already reported an intense rivalry between the two bands and this clash of releases was seen as a battle for the number one spot. The media sensation was spurred on by verbal attacks from the respective camps (in particular Noel and Liam Gallagher, Damon Albarn and Alex James), that extended beyond the music industry to the point where the two bands were regularly mentioned on the evening news. In particular, public imagination was sparked by the contrast between the gritty, working class Oasis and the artsy, middle class Blur. In the end, Blur's "Country House" single sold 274,000 copies to Oasis' 216,000 copies of "Roll with It". The singles charted at number 1 and number 2 respectively. However, in the long run, Morning Glory went platinum 13 times, while Blur's album The Great Escape only managed to go platinum 3 times.

Ah, so you've never danced on a podium at Love Muscle to Jackie O's version then?

(I once did this, a couple of hours after returning from "seeing" Oasis at Knebworth. This single moment was better than the entire 6-7 hours at Knebworth put together, as I explained to everyone within earshot. Ah me, the follies of middle youth.)

"Oasis is a band that finds ways to sing love songs without enacting them. When Liam Gallagher asks listeners to ''love one another,'' part of the fun is hearing the lyrics tug against the persona. And at Wednesday's concert, part of the fun was watching Liam and Noel Gallagher avoid physical and even eye contact. Theirs is, not coincidentally, a very Oasis sort of love: unrequited, unexpressed and possibly even unfelt. "

heres the full thing:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9500E5D81F3BF937A15755C0A9639C8B63

Today is gonna be the day
That they're gonna throw it back to you
By now you should've somehow
Realized what you gotta do
I don't believe that anybody
Feels the way I do about you now

Backbeat the word was on the street
That the fire in your heart is out
I'm sure you've heard it all before
But you never really had a doubt
I don't believe that anybody feels
The way I do about you now

And all the roads we have to walk along are winding
And all the lights that lead us there are blinding
There are many things that I would
Like to say to you
I don't know how

Because maybe
You're gonna be the one who saves me?
And after all
You're my wonderwall

I really like the gratuitous incorporation of "backbeat."

While obviously bigger in Britain, The album went multiplatinum (one of the best selling albums of the year) and "Wonderwall" went top ten here.

x-post I agree wholeheartedly, Dan.

I find it emotionally incoherent. I have no idea where it's supposed to be taking me. The only bit I find at all affecting is the "There aare many things that I would like to say to you, but I don't know how" line.

I like lots of other Oasis songs, including the supposedly mawkish 'Don't Look Back In Anger'. 'Wonderwall' remains a mystery to me.

Now, the point of this story is not to claim special favor for Oasis or this song -- many *many* different bands and songs have captivated people on the down and out and turned things around for them, after all, including lots of stuff *I* hate quite openly. But something about Sanneh's quote there bugged me a bit. When I had the chance to have a beer and a chat with Noel in 2000, I passed on this story and he was quite moved.

That said, I do also always prefer the Noel-sung versions.

and Ned...yr point is entirely fair. again, were debating here a song that many of us claim to derride but somehow got to millions of people and, for better or worse, is now part of a cultural conscious. this is something about music, esp popular music, which will forever confound me, but also something that reminds me that its all worthwhile

(that said i still can't figure out "simply the best" ...)

While we're on the "Oasis saved my life" tip: in all seriousness, "Don't Look Back In Anger" helped me get over the deaths of both my father and stepmother. (Of course, the fact that my stepmother was called Sally was not immaterial to the situation.)

I remember on my fathers birthday, there were quite a few of us there listening to the chart to hear the inauguration. it missed, number 2 robson and jerome were number one but looking back how thin the line is between the two both were populist ballads only autism to differentiate, that’s unfair. Looking back Common People to me looks like the high water mark. Blur had razed the ground at the Brits the old guard (annie lennox et al) seen of by the descendent of the '80s underground (perhaps not ideologically) after the high summer (as a child i believed it all this was 1966 or whatever this was better than that cos the nostalgia hadn't really kicked off well not in my world, i went to bed early, I Love 1970 + didn't start for another few years, that’s when the walls closed in on me) wonderwall is the first slide on the slope down. live aid to live 8 with britpop in the middle, wonderwall the sticky wicket the moment that the most popular drone rock band ever reinstated englebert humberdinks victory.

c.f. "Mystery Train": Is he riding the train? Is it taking his baby away? Outside the boxcar waiting? Or take me away to nowhere place? The emotional version.

My friend Jon once said he made a cassette tape of nothing but "Wonderwall" looped over and over again. I hated the song until I loved it. Then I became obsessed with it. Nice thread...

Perhaps for maximum appeal a song must by nature be “empty” listener relates song to own (universal?) experience rather than “subtlety” coded messages (New Way (Quick Wash and Brush Up With Liberation Theology)) and so forth. Whatever there is to “get” is not the lyric, Gallagher N admits as much though anti intellectual posturing (“It’s only rock ‘n roll” sneer) is part of his equation of course though at the same time he does not pull the Robbie / Eminem I’m only an entertainer card. Oasis not entertainment (snarf snarf) not arty. Coldplay empty as anything but made the leap to U2 size that eluded Oasis, not tripped up by roots in punk rock / c86 mentality, hello Blur! (graham coxon went out with lead singer of huggy bear during great escape period, it’s like metaphor in human form or something!) but having nothing to say beyond escaping there environment to a very big house in the country? Though maybe that’s just the way it seems, a rag to riches meta story written over by Nicky Wire, Paulo Hewit et al Oasis as blank canvas Maxwell from Big Brother singing Be Here Now songs to himself, the post ecstasy post feminist Status Quo

Why? I don't think I see the reason.

I think Alba has a point, about incoherence. I like also what Miccio says about 'Backbeat'. I was thinking that yesterday when listening to the song.

OTM!

elwisty- still posting?

nope

Looking from a window above don't you know you might find
A better place to play
Came back only yesterday, but all the things that you've seen
Want you near me

All I needed was the love you gave
Cause you said the brains I had went to my head
Step outside, summertime's in bloom
Only you

Sometimes when I think of her name, she knows it's too late
As we're walking on by
Her soul slides away, it's getting harder to stay
When I see you

When I see a couple of kids
And guess he’s fucking her and she’s
Taking pills or wearing a diaphragm,
I know this is paradise

Everyone old has dreamed of all their lives—
Bonds and gestures pushed to one side
Like an outdated combine harvester,
And everyone young going down the long slide

To happiness, endlessly. I wonder if
Anyone looked at me, forty years back,
And thought, That’ll be the life;
No God any more, or sweating in the dark

About hell and that, or having to hide
What you think of the priest. He
And his lot will all go down the long slide
Like free bloody birds. And immediately

Rather than words comes the thought of high windows:
The sun-comprehending glass,
And beyond it, the deep blue air, that shows
Nothing, and is nowhere, and is endless.

Nope: https://humanizingthevacuum.wordpress.com/2018/03/31/worst-songs-ever-oasis-wonderwall/

According to Wiki, though, “Wonderwall” remains the most streamed nineties single on Spotify and “the most streamed song released before 2000, with over 428 million streams as of March 2018.” This sounds right.

HURL

Thanks, Alfred. I should’ve commented earlier, but, nevertheless, I’ve really enjoyed the series!

As an American I immediately associate Wonderwall with either the trope of the single guy with the acoustic guitar at the college party or as the song covered by unsuccessful country artists at showcases and open mics to demonstrate their cross-over appeal. I guess the two overlap. Neither is a good look.

As I hacky bar-band staple, I think I've heard this one played even more often than "Hallelujah" or "The Joker."

"I" = a

After the second set of verses and a return of the chorus, “Wonderwall” has nowhere to go yet insists on filling its allotted time of 3:45

The Mike Flowers Pops version is imo superior to the original in every way, but it's notable that it truncates the song by finishing at exactly this moment

This song is heavily featured in the Netflix series “Everything Sucks” (which is set in a high school in 1996) – the album, song, and video are major plot points. It almost feels like “product placement”...

(I wuz skeptical that any U.S. teenagers could have found meaning in this song, but my wife – a few years younger than me – assures me that it’s possible...)

This song is heavily This song is heavily featured in the Netflix series “Everything Sucks”featured in the Netflix series “Everything Sucks”

I might say "Everything Sucks" if I were exposed to Oasis daily.

This song means nothing to me, whenever I hear it I think “hey, it’s Wonderwall”

Of songs from the 90s whose lyrics begin with the word “Today” that I don’t really care about, I would say this is a more enjoyable song than “Today” by the Smashing Pumpkins

"anyway here's wonderwall" is a popular meme with the youth

Excellent song

It’s someone who doesn’t understand how they feel trying to express how they feel despite not having the tools to do so. No wonder I speaks so loudly to so many people. Completely meaningless but so loaded with hollow spaces where you can insert your own meaning.

So of course the key lyric is “there are many things that I would like to say to you but I don’t know how”.

Notably I was able to type that lyric almost completely with predictive text on my phone. Noel G is predictive text as lyrics.

this was one of my favorite songs when I was ~10 years old, can't really hate

Today is gonna be the day that they're gonna throw it back to you pic.twitter.com/qCoF30eEWK

— Sean Leahy (@thepunningman) February 7, 2017

You're all missing it.

The key line is:

And all the roads we have to walk are winding
And all the lights that lead the way are blinding

That's a great line (OK, pair) that any songwriter would be pleased with, I don't know if any previous song has something similar, and if "Wonderwall" didn't have it, it would not be the big hit it is now.

I like the pathos of
I don't believe that anybody
Feels the way I do, about you now
incredible noone had written that before since its the essence of so many songs

I also like the cello and the drum fill before the 2nd verse starts

and the Beatlesque video:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6hzrDeceEKc/hqdefault.jpg

song is def played and half the lyrics are lazy (not that it has a big impact on the song's quality, if anything it makes it easy to sing along) but I can't see how it's bad

The best Oasis ever did. Not that it says a lot. I'll shout along if it comes on the jukebox.

wtf it's garbage

I like most of the stuff on the first three Oasis albums as just dumb rock fun, but 'Wonderwall' and 'Champagne Supernova' are just part of the bland alt-rock radio wallpaper of my teen years, songs that just pop up unnoticed between 'Watch That Girl Destroy Me' and 'Pure Massacre' just before the DJ gives away some Green Day tickets.

as usual Neil Cicierega completely ruined this song for me, every time when it comes on all I hear is "TODAY duh day duh day duh day duh day"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yQFebRcznA

The key line is:
And all the roads we have to walk are winding
And all the lights that lead the way are blinding

I always assumed the first line was a (lazy) reference to the song title “The Long and Winding Road,” and the second is, well, a rhyme (what does it mean for the lights to be blinding, in terms of a metaphor? why are they blinding?)

I like the pathos of
I don't believe that anybody
Feels the way I do, about you now
incredible noone had written that before since its the essence of so many songs

This is a good lyric? It’s so trite...

I mean honestly these lyrics seem like a collection of empty catchphrases. I’m impressed anyone can glean any meaning at all...

I've always treated Oasis lyrics as the admirable if not quite successful product of a non-native songwriter trying to translate their songs into English.

They usually conjugate correctly, at the very least.

Geir OTM, as always.
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Monday, July 4, 2005 4:53 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I mean honestly these lyrics seem like a collection of empty catchphrases. I’m impressed anyone can glean any meaning at all...

― absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Monday, April 2, 2018 1:23 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Precisely. It's perhaps the greatest exponent of an artist seeking (or forced by external demands) to make a show of sensitivity (qua "ballad" or whatever) without actually engaging in the slightest bit of even faux substantive expression/thought. This is why it's a song of choice for acoustic buskers throughout, I presume, the English-speaking world.

I was in Dallas in December for an annual company meeting, and one evening several of us found a local bar to have some drinks. There was a singer/guitarist there just doing acoustic covers, everything from Adele to Pearl Jam. When she started playing "Wonderwall" she almost literally didn't have to sing a single lyric. The entire bar sat singing it at the top of their lungs. I was flabbergasted.

The lights being blinding underscores how hard it is to follow the long and winding road. This isn't exactly difficult.

So break down the metaphor for me. The road isn’t difficult to follow because the path is dark or obscure (as you might expect) – it’s actually illuminated – but it’s TOO well lit, the lights are “blinding.” What does this mean, in terms of a metaphor involving guidance (the lights) through the twists and turns of life or difficult situations (the road)?

At best, it’s a lazy line meant only to rhyme and vaguely sound appropriate; no good songwriter would be proud of having written it.

Neil Cicierega ruined this song, looked at it in his rear-view mirror, then reversed back over it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw2fh8qfDiA

"these lyrics don't follow an internal logic, therefore the song is bad" is probably my least favorite form of music criticism.

xp 1:45 there is one of the few things that makes me laugh out loud every single time I hear it

xpost
I was responding to a comment that said That's a great line (OK, pair) that any songwriter would be pleased with. I made my case why this isn’t true (IMO). If you’d like to make a substantive counterargument rather than calling me “lazy,” feel free...

Or sorry, guess you didn’t call me “lazy,” don’t know where I got that from (LOL)

not arguing that it's a great line, but it's certainly a memorable one, and Oasis is one of those bands that cares a lot more about the scan of the melody than the actual words. if it's easy to remember, or easy to chant in a large group setting, even better. i think those lines achieve their goal.

If that’s the standard, then fine... seems like a low bar (or saying, “it’s a good song because it’s popular”).

i never liked this song or Oasis (though I fortunately missed constant exposure / it never forced itself upon me), so i never learned how to play it on guitar. as an American I also know it as the quintessential "annoying guy at the party with an acoustic guitar trying to get laid" song. anyway my brother asked me to play it on guitar as a joke so I looked up the chords and the chords are more sophisticated than I thought! not difficult, just not the easy peasy lemon squeezy open chords I assumed it was made of. lots of barre chords, in other words acoustic guitar dilettantes would have a shaky go at it.

it's a lot easier if you use a capo on the 2nd fret!

xp i'm not a huge fan of oasis and don't particularly think , but i have to admit that they were darn good at writing songs that combined lighter-waving festival grandeur with emotional resonance. though a lot of that could just be a result of Liam's voice

See I don’t feel the emotional resonance at all, it feels totally contrived and “cookie-cutter songwriting” to me (lyrically, at least)... but I get We’re All Different.

The lights being blinding references the fact that there are SO MANY people telling us how to live and love that it's too much, it's hard to figure out how to live in a way that feels true to one self.

It is cookie-cutter, it's half a line from Beatles and another one that rhymes. But it makes sense, it clearly touches a nerve with millions of people, and just throwing up our hands and saying it's nonsense is the laziest form of criticism.

Ha ha, so this time I actually am being called lazy ;) Your interpretation of the line at least makes sense, though I think you're being too generous (I don't see how the rest of the song's lyrics point toward that reading; they seem mostly like vague gibberish to me).

Am I allowed to criticize the couplet By now you should've somehow / Realized what you're not to do on the grounds that "what you're not to do" is totally forced and phony diction?

I mean, honestly, reading thru the entire lyrics -- they're really bad, a collection of cliches that add up to nothing!

A few lines that seem half-inspired kind of loosely woven together and boom, you get Oasis's american radio career

I'm still unconvinced that 'Wonderwall' and 'Champagne Supernova' are two different songs. Any attempt to remember lyrics from one and I end up with half of the other.

Someday you will find me
Caught beneath the landslide
And after all, you're my wonderwall

'what you're not to do' is not that good, but it's also just a variation of 'what you gotta do' from the first verse, and I'm fine with it. It's not a particularly good song, but it's very direct. As is a lot of Oasis lyrics, even though a lot of it is drug garbled nonsense. I read a point somewhere about how the one thing Oasis did better than anyone was taking the absolutely banal and unimpressive and make it sound really important. 'We see things you cannot see' 'Where were you when we were getting high?' 'I don't believe that anybody feel the way I do'. A lot of their songs I find awful, completely bullshit awful, for exactly this reason, they're odes to mediocrity by a mediocre band. But Wonderwall is pretty good.

let's hear what Lionel Messi has to say imo

I have to say I wasn’t expecting much but it is some of the best material I have ever heard. They are absolutely amazing. Their songs are incredible. I would have to say ‘Supersonic’ and ‘Live Forever’ are my favourites. I have been listening to their stuff on my iPod dock in the hotel room, on the way to the matches and in the dressing room. I can’t believe it’s taken me all this time to finally listen to them.

http://www.nme.com/news/music/oasis-207-1289921

The key line is:
And all the roads we have to walk are winding
And all the lights that lead the way are blinding

I always assumed the first line was a (lazy) reference to the song title “The Long and Winding Road,” and the second is, well, a rhyme (what does it mean for the lights to be blinding, in terms of a metaphor? why are they blinding?)

It means that we can't see where we are going, metaphorically speaking.

It's possible that's inspired from The Long And, but at least it's a maybe/maybe not, as opposed to 'it clearly is' which is par for the other lyrical nicks..

I wasn't....expecting this thread expansion.

Oasis = butt

then why don't I like them?

"It means that we can't see where we are going, metaphorically speaking."

I'm pretty sure it means that the lyrics were written by a lazy drunk who got kicked out of school at 15.

a collection of cliches that add up to nothing

i never liked this song or Oasis (though I fortunately missed constant exposure / it never forced itself upon me), so i never learned how to play it on guitar. as an American I also know it as the quintessential "annoying guy at the party with an acoustic guitar trying to get laid" song. anyway my brother asked me to play it on guitar as a joke so I looked up the chords and the chords are more sophisticated than I thought! not difficult, just not the easy peasy lemon squeezy open chords I assumed it was made of. lots of barre chords, in other words acoustic guitar dilettantes would have a shaky go at it.

But they are all open chords though, according to one of those crappy guitar chords website I've just this minute looked at.

isn't F#m the first chord?

I should say I didn't expect any barre chords in the song. I know there are thousands of guitar tabs that probably make it easier to play, I believe I looked up whatever the chords Oasis used.

Em7 according to what I've seen, once you put a capo on it's just an endlessly circling collection of Neil Young chords.

It’s played with a capo on the 3rd fret.

So easy peasy lemon squeezy after all (it's my wonderwall)

best thing about this song is how they got the reflection of the lights to fit inside his sunglasses in the video

'all the lights that lead us there are blinding' is a reference to stage lighting, obviously.

there are lots of songs that talk about being blinded by stage lights, it's a metaphor for feeling overwhelmed

So, there you go.

I don't like "Wonderwall" that much, not even because of its ubiquity: I didn't like it then. Don't know why, but hey.

Well this thread has introduced me to nick ciciriega.

Neil not Nick

My condolences

gettouttahere

Any incipient fans of NC are kindly directed to Lemon Demon, his project of original music, and its recent album Spirit Phone, which could cure anybody of Wonderwall in under an hour

It's played with a capo on the second fret and it's all open chords, but probably even lazier than using straight open chords as Noel keeps a couple of notes static throughout most of the song, only moving a couple of fingers at a time.

Anyway, I'll defend Oasis' '90s work any day of the week, but I agree with Mark G - I don't really need to hear this song again and, popular as it may be, it's never been one of their best.

A wall is a barrier, a means of protection from the potentially hostile outside world. Mr. Gallagher foreshadows this notion by asserting that the song's subject may be that which saves him, which protects him from harm. In this case, the source of his fears seems to be wonder, the very possibility of being overwhelmed by something both surprising and amazing. The person to whom he sings provides, after all, a bulwark against that very fear, by both grounding him and grinding his hopes and dreams to dust. We must, therefore, conclude that the titular 'Wonderwall' is none other than Liam Gallagher.

Mr. Gallagher, tear down this wall

It's played with a capo on the second fret and it's all open chords, but probably even lazier than using straight open chords as Noel keeps a couple of notes static throughout most of the song, only moving a couple of fingers at a time.

Far be it from me to defend Noel Fuckin' Gallagher but that's an aesthetic choice to use 7th chords.

As I said, upthread, Neil Young uses them all the time.

Or perhaps it's just the way he plays guitar since he uses those chords in quite a fair amount of his songs.

A few tracks emerged one or two years before Wonderwall all riffing on Serge Gainsbourg's 'Bonnie And Clyde' chords (MC Solaar 'Nouveau Western', Renegade Soundwave s/t single and Saint Etienne's 'I Buy American Records') so wondered if Noel just based it on one or more of those (albeit only to result in something a lot worse than them).

No, they sound nice, that's why he uses them, he likes them, they please him, that's how it works. (xp)

[o]It's played with a capo on the second fret and it's all open chords, but probably even lazier than using straight open chords as Noel keeps a couple of notes static throughout most of the song, only moving a couple of fingers at a time.

Anyway, I'll defend Oasis' '90s work any day of the week, but I agree with Mark G - I don't really need to hear this song again and, popular as it may be, it's never been one of their best.

― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, April 3, 2018 8:58 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink[/i]

why is any way of playing guitar "lazy" if it sounds good or gets the sound you want it to?

replace gem archer with marty friedman!

actually nevermind that's a great idea actually

pick out a sequence of lazy string fingerings. tune the guitar to make it all sound acceptable.

the laziest way to play is to just strum and change tuning in real time

proposed oasis lineup:
liam gallagher
marty friedman
jad fair
tony levin on chapman stick
meg white

liam gallagher
marty feldman
jad fair
bernard levin on chapman pincher
meg white

i like this song because i was 10 when it was insanely popular

When I was 10 'Don't Worry Be Happy' was insanely popular.

Also a good song

No, they sound nice, that's why he uses them, he likes them, they please him, that's how it works. (xp)

― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Tuesday, April 3, 2018 4:18 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Of course he likes them, which is why he chooses to play them that way, which is why he plays guitar that way. Obviously. Also, because it's within his admittedly limited ability.

Oh go away and learn to play the guitar yourself, or do something interesting with your life, just leave us alone.

Tom - for one thing, I already know how to play guitar, and secondly it's not really my problem when someone tries to disagree with me by actually agreeing with me and gets pissy when it gets pointed out.

for you, turrican: https://youtu.be/LG4hOjJ9tEs

(xp) No, you're right, it's not your problem, it's our problem we're lumbered with you.

You'll get over it, I'm sure.

the chord sequence in wonderwall owns, turrican

"lazy" as a description of a chord sequence because it uses the same notes in multiple chords, michty me

When I was 10 Macarena was insanely popular and it sounds like shit.

fp'd

When I was young i learned survival
Taught myself not to care

"lazy" as a description of a chord sequence because it uses the same notes in multiple chords, michty me

https://www.premierguitar.com/ext/resources/images/content/2014_06/Blogs/Aug14_PG_CLM_Bass-Bench_photo1_WEB.jpg

"lazy" as a description of a chord sequence because it uses the same notes in multiple chords, michty me

― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, April 3, 2018 4:30 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah this is nuts, pedal points are great. almost all of Bob Mould's songs for Hüsker Dü feature drone notes that run thru the song.

https://i.imgur.com/pbuIBZi.jpg

Jim In Vancouver and flappy bird missing the point spectacularly. It's not the notes that are played, it's how much effort it takes to play them. I'm pretty sure that Noel didn't sit there thinking "wow yeah pedal tone" as much as I'm pretty sure flappy bird hasn't read the thread properly.

(As it happens, the chord progression of 'Wonderwall' is nothing spectacular - the most interesting part of the chord progression being the chorus, which is the weakest part of the song.)

Pedal point. I'm pretty sure what you know about guitar playing could be written on the back of a postage stamp and there'd still be room left to reproduce all of your most interesting and insightful posts to ILM.

interesting

Jim In Vancouver and flappy bird missing the point spectacularly. It's not the notes that are played, it's how much effort it takes to play them. I'm pretty sure that Noel didn't sit there thinking "wow yeah pedal tone" as much as I'm pretty sure flappy bird hasn't read the thread properly.

― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, April 3, 2018 2:44 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nobody rates pop songs on how difficult they are to play on guitar

i demand we resolve this via a video of turrican ironically playing wonderwall on guitar

I've never witnessed a larger chasm between level of insight and thought and propensity for peremptory statements on this website since maybe geir hongro

Don't have a video, have a still from it though...

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/00/c4/96/00c49628c2d8aae6bc8a718da9746557.jpg

The most interesting thing is the late fade-in of the drums.

I've never witnessed a larger chasm between level of insight and thought and propensity for peremptory statements on this website since maybe geir hongro

Hey, listen, Geir knew about music, even if he was wrong about it - and he often wasn't.

nobody rates pop songs on how difficult they are to play on guitar

― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, April 3, 2018 4:52 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I rate pop songs on how hard they are to play on vacuum cleaner

I don’t like this song or this band much but It’s a weird point to try to bring this song down by how simple it is when there’s so much more to hate about it.

The simplicity (or laziness if you want) is actually a point in favor of the song and the band I think. So many artists breaking their heads to get a hit and this song becomes massive all over the globe with nonsense lyrics and lazy guitar play. It’s almost genius but this band does not deserve that descriptor.

But yeah any band getting a worldwide hit working under less is more philosophy (less effort, less chords, less production, less everything) even if accidental, actually makes me like the idea of the song instead of making me repulse it.

Jim, instead of throwing your toys out the pram, perhaps you'd like to actually read the conversation that happened beforehand prior to me joining the discussion where the supposed sophistication of the chords were being discussed.

At the risk of repeating myself: yes, the chords are not straight open chords, yes, they've been chosen because the songwriter liked the sound of them but also because Gallagher is a limited guitarist. I mean - none of this is difficult to comprehend. Seemingly unless you're one of the immediate posters above that aren't me.

The quality of a song is apart from how easy or difficult a song is to play - that much should be apparent and I shouldn't actually need to spell that out. At no point did I also ever say "this song sucks because it's simple", because I would never say that since I'm not an idiot. However, at this stage I guess I'm giving everyone too much credit so I.w.i.l.l.s.p.e.l.l.i.t.a.l.l.o.u.t.n.e.x.t.t.i.m.e.

Radio X listeners vote 'Live Forever' as best British song. Now there's something...

Am I allowed to criticize the couplet By now you should've somehow / Realized what you're not to do on the grounds that "what you're not to do" is totally forced and phony diction?

― absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Monday, 2 April 2018 19:03 (two days ago)

I have no desire to be Capn Saveanoel but "realised what you're not to do" feels Mancunian to me rather than forced, fwiw.

But you're absolutely allowed to criticise it as forced, of course.

yes, they've been chosen because the songwriter liked the sound of them but also because Gallagher is a limited guitarist. I mean - none of this is difficult to comprehend.

Are you still alive? Noel Gallagher is not a 'limited guitarist', you clown - unless you're comparing him to Allan Holdsworth or something. Stop digging, man - you don't know anything about music, you're ignorant, talk about something else.

Finding the discussion of the internal logic / semantic coherence of the song pretty funny - the point of Oasis lyrics is how you feel in the instant you're singing that line for that moment, and entirely forgotten by the time you get to the next line.

If that's right (I don't really get the point of Oasis in general so I'm happy to take your word for it) it's a pretty spectacular lyrical trick to pull off again and again, I think.

(Because people really do seem to *feel* the lyrics, I mean.)

COuld be that he's a lazy and limited lyric writer. Just sayin' like.

These serious (and agressive) exchanges about an Oasis song's lyrics and chords are puzzling...
Especially about this awful song !
I like a lot of some early Oasis (basically the first album + some songs on the second and some b-sides) but have always hated "Wonderwall", even when it was just released and not yet that huge anthem.
I think even Liam dislikes that song !

Noel is a lazy and limited lyricist who sometimes stumbles upon something good, which also sums up his ability as a guitarist, tbh.

Or Tom D's posting style.

lol @ all the "lazy" talk. makes me think back to the toxic cesspit Steam message boards w the angry gamers ranting about "lazy devs". about the same level of thought given as well.

(xp) You're also hopeless at zings, I wouldn't bother trying tbh.

It’s someone who doesn’t understand how they feel trying to express how they feel despite not having the tools to do so.

this is a v sympathetic description.

a collection of cliches that add up to nothing

This is what everything is, though.
― valorous wokelord (silby), Monday, 2 April 2018 21:52 (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^gets it

Yesterday, I got to hear "Don't look back in anger" which is a mighty case in point.

See, the whole chorus manages to stay on topic! And if only the rest of the song managed to do that, it'd be a massively (oh what's the word - Successful? well, it's been massively successful so no. anyway..) song.

the point of Oasis lyrics is how you feel in the instant you're singing that line for that moment, and entirely forgotten by the time you get to the next line.

Anyway, I thought the "So, Sally can wait..." was the key line on that one, but that was suggested by Liam!

Noel Gallagher is not a 'limited guitarist', you clown - unless you're comparing him to Allan Holdsworth or something.

I'd be fine with using that as a comparison, or even with calling him a limited guitarist, but, running over this quickly this morning, I will say that using a pedal point on E - the natural minor seventh scale degree of F#m - makes the progression a lot more interesting than it would be otherwise. (Obv, he wasn't so limited that he couldn't play a standard chord progression without this sort of pedal point, as he did on "Don't Look Back in Anger".) There's an interesting and imo effective disconnect between the chords and the melody line in the first part of the verse, where the prominent notes in the melody are often not even part of the underlying harmony until the "I don't believe that anybody..." refrain. This is the first time that E, the pedal, comes up as a significant note in the verse melody and it works to highlight this. The resolution to F# on the last note of that refrain ("now") arrives on the F#m7 chord, which is the first time a line resolves to a chord root, let alone the tonic that is implied by the chord progression.

Exactly as I said... errrr. Sorry for being a bit irritable on this thread, but claiming that the pedal point is being used in this, and other, songs because the songwriter is too lazy to move his fingers a couple of centimetres, or too limited to play the first chords any guitarist learns when they learn to play a guitar, is too egregious a display of ignorance of how guitar playing and songwriting work that I couldn't let it pass especially when it's doubled down repeatedly.

This is such a weird discussion. I don't even hear a guitar in the song.

It's made a vital contribution to an ongoing 51ing scenario.

I'd be fine with using that as a comparison, or even with calling him a limited guitarist, but, running over this quickly this morning, I will say that using a pedal point on E - the natural minor seventh scale degree of F#m - makes the progression a lot more interesting than it would be otherwise.

I couldn't agree more!

(Obv, he wasn't so limited that he couldn't play a standard chord progression without this sort of pedal point, as he did on "Don't Look Back in Anger".)

Well, I never once said that he couldn't play a standard chord progression - I merely pointed out that he uses these type of chords a lot, which he does! Gallagher, by his own admission, is a limited guitarist and I agree with him. In the big scheme of things he undoubtedly is, and his musical vocabulary is painfully small, although he throws in the occasional surprise from time to time (such as the second chord in the chorus to 'Let There Be Love')

Tom's just frustrated with himself at this stage and lashing out, bless him.

Using pedal tone is fine as long as you're not a fake funk band.

xxpost:

Or the diminished chord in 'Don't Look Back In Anger'

Too Lazy to Funk. Good song title!

(xp) Awwww, he knows the name of a chord, ain't it cute?

"Too Lazy to F**k" by Prince

One of the best things about Turrican is the inevitable point where 90% of what he has said has been stricken down and made fun of and it inevitably turns out the last 10% is just something he has read somewhere that he repeats without really understanding it.

x-post lol

Not half as cute as being asked if I'm still alive by someone acting like they're having a coronary, but don't hesitate to grow up, Tom. It's okay to be wrong.

Good to also see Frederik's usual textbook late entry into the thread where he fires off nonsense and does his Scrappy Doo routine.

I love that you use 'textbook' as an insult. As if you deserve anything better but the basics.

The definition of insanity is to write the same thing over and over and expect a different response.

Who's the Liam of the thread, d'yathink?

I know who the Bonehead is.

So do I: Most Retarded-Looking Family Stone Member on the Cover of "A Whole New Thing"

But how limited a guitarist was Bonehead anyway? Let's ask an expert...

As for Frederik - well, I rest my case. Still more coherent than his political posts, too.

That's it, give it your best shot, dumbo, it's the almost entertaining.

I know what'll happen when the petrol-drenched man finally flicks his Bic but I can't peel my eyes away from the spectacle.

I dunno, I suppose "dumbo" is a slight step up from calling someone a [redacted].

Not a step up in your case however.

Almost damning with faint praise in fact.

Wouldn't know. You seem to have form, though!

Par for the course, there's not a lot you do know.

He is implying you have big ears, Turrican.

A trunk and big doleful eyes.

sund4r as usual the only person who actually knows what the fuck he's talking about makes an interesting, reasonable post but no one bothers to digest it

Pretty much.

How dare you suggest I don't know what I'm talking about (digs up something you wrote in your high school newspaper as bizarre attempt at ad hominem retort)!

I just checked on Spotify and it's impressive that "Wonderwall" has 3 times more plays than their second most played, "DLBIA" (440M/145M), considering it was only #2 and "DLBIA" was #1 (UK charts).
I suppose that belongs in the thread about songs that were not the biggest hit but the most popular now !

I can attest that 'Wonderwall' was much bigger in the states, at least.

thought Oasis had a track called "DLBIA (440M/145M)" for a minute there and got all excited

eheh. it was a collab with Aphex Twin !

considering it was only #2 and "DLBIA" was #1 (UK charts)

bear in mind tho that Oasis had a bunch of #1 hits in the 00s and nobody can recall what they were or how they went including the band

yeah, I just found out on their wiki !
"Indu Times" ?? "Lyla" ?? "The Importance of being Idle" ??
(especially when you consider that none of their singles from the first album got to #1...).

"The Hindu Times" wins the award for most unlikely song title of Oasis.

However, what could they do, call it "God gimme soul in your rock'n'roll (babe)"

xpost, funnily enough.

"The Importance of being Idle" was the one that proved that they could have actually been really good after all. And the video could have been "from the movie" that would have been as good as "hard days night" meets "catch us if you can"

But there you go.. Oasis, a synonym for "could have been"

Have they ever used the word "baby" in one of their songs ?

eheh. it was a collab with Aphex Twin !

― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, April 4, 2018 9:06 AM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

xpost yes.

5. Slide Away by Oasis
need you now - you've knocked me off my feet I dream of you - and we talk of growing old But you said please don't! Slide in baby - together we'll fly I've tried praying - but I don't know what you're saying to me Now that you're mine We'll find a wa...
6. Let There Be Love by Oasis
e the words that we sing in our dreams Let there be love - Let there be love - Let there be love - Let there be love Come on baby blue Shake up your tired eyes The world is waiting for you May all your dreaming fill the empty sky But if it makes you ...
7. The Turning by Oasis
come on, shake your rag doll, baby Before you change your mind Then come on, when the rapture takes me Will you be by my side? Then come on, when the rapture takes me Be the fallen angel by my side So come on, shake your rag doll, baby Before you cha...
8. I Hope, I Think, I Know by Oasis
t there You know I dont care, You know I dont care As we beg and steal and borrow Life is hit and miss and this I Hope, I Think, I Know And if I hear the names you call If I stumble catch me when I fall Cos baby after all, You'll never forget my name...
9. I Can See A Liar by Oasis
Baby the time is right to tell it all like it is And now that I feel god like there's nothing that can't be kissed The name of a lonely soul is scratched into my brain He thought he was king creole Until he found out, until he found out He sits upon a...

oh ok, thanks !
I though Noel didn't like that word (hence the "maybeeeee" in "Live Forever")

Also their cover of Mungo Jerry's 'Baby Jump' from the abandoned 'Pleidol Wyf I'm GwlMAD' sessions.

"An Ornament and a Decoration"

slowly walking down
faster than a cannonball
you're my wonderwall

*the hall

I seem to recall 'The Importance of Being Idle' and Don't Believe the Truth marking some sort of resurgence for the band. They'd always had a large hardcore fanbase, but circa 2005 it felt like even lapsed fans were beginning to climb back on board.

I'm glad this thread has got back on topic after Tom D's foray into talking shite and spouting off comic book insults, though.

Importance of Being Idle was kind of a rip off of something I can't quite place my finger on... wasn't it like a Travis soundalike or something?

Ricky Martin iirc

My favorite Gallagher lyric isn't even from an Oasis song.

How does it feel like?

From the Aphex Twin collab.

It sounds like Noel was trying to write a song in the vein of 'Harry Rag' by The Kinks, but it does sound like a direct rip of something that I can't place. The intro in particular.

(xxpost)

xpost More accurately, it's from the second Aphex Twin collaboration, 'New Hat Pix'.

I'm glad this thread has got back on topic after Tom D's foray into talking shite and spouting off comic book insults, though.

― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), 4. april 2018 17:40 (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You want the thread to be about Oasis, then fuck off and take your pathetic insults with you.

without insults how can the thread be about Oasis

The amusing thing is that Frederik was the one spouting the pathetic insult!

By which I mean - I agree with you, I want this thread to get back on topic so fuck off :)

are you Noel or Liam

I'm Turrican, Frederik is Scrappy Doo. Given Tom's fondness for flying off the handle, I assume he's Elton John.

*sign of the cross gesture*

You know that line from Justified, Turrican? If every discussion you're in starts smelling, it might be because you're a piece of shit.

Jim, instead of throwing your toys out the pram, perhaps you'd like to actually read the conversation that happened beforehand prior to me joining the discussion where the supposed sophistication of the chords were being discussed.

At the risk of repeating myself: yes, the chords are not straight open chords, yes, they've been chosen because the songwriter liked the sound of them but also because Gallagher is a limited guitarist. I mean - none of this is difficult to comprehend. Seemingly unless you're one of the immediate posters above that aren't me.

― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, April 3, 2018 11:11 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it is no more difficult to play the non-minor 7th (or whatever they're called) versions of these chords than it is to play them as noel does. if anything it's easier to play the non-minor 7th versions as they involve holding down less frets.

I'm Turrican.

https://radiotoday.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/alanpartridge-radio-norwich.jpeg

Somehow reminded of this discussion

I didn't fall out with him on that thread! In fact, I never used to but the drip drip drip got to me.

You know that line from Justified, Turrican? If every discussion you're in starts smelling, it might be because you're a piece of shit.

― Frederik B, Wednesday, April 4, 2018 11:36 AM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha wow, to be confronted with this twice in one conversation is...impressive

"Wonderwall": I Don't Get It

Lol, I didn't click that link. It's just so apt.

You know that line from Justified, Turrican? If every discussion you're in starts smelling, it might be because you're a piece of shit.

― Frederik B, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:36 (twenty-six minutes ago) Permalink

This doesn't apply to me.

pfffffffft

Really enjoying this table read of the Gallagher brothers biopic.

You know that line from Justified, Turrican? If every discussion you're in starts smelling, it might be because you're a piece of shit.

Cheese, surely?

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/4595776/alan-partridge-cheese-o.gif

Ha, Actually meant to link to this

Oh wait, never mind. Somehow thought I had accidentally linked to this thread

Lol, this (slightly edited) exchange is absolutely classic.

I've just had to check out 'Autumn Almanac', I counted 26...

(A, A7, A9, Am7, Amaj7, Bb, B7, C, Cm, C#m, C#m7, D, Dm, D7, Eb, E, E7, Em, F, Fm, F7, F#7, G, Gm, G7, G#7)

― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), 5. september 2016 18:38 (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not counting the different extensions (and two discrepancies, one on the Eb - I think there's only an eb minor chord, and I think there's an augmented chord on the beat for "toasted" from "toasted, buttered currant buns"), the ones I'm missing are:

C and c minor chords?
e minor?
f minor?
g minor?

I don't hear these.

― timellison, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 01:56 (fifty-one minutes ago) Permalink

Then yer doing it wrong.

― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), 6. september 2016 04:49 (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh? Maybe you could point out where they are.

― timellison, 6. september 2016 06:05 (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

five months pass...

In hindsight, I suspect timellision failed to account for the use of pedal tone.

I didn't fall out with him on that thread! In fact, I never used to but the drip drip drip got to me.

A little linkage is a dangerous thing

Oh look, Frederik's still at it!

Linking to threads that are years old is such bad form, tut tut.

Yeah, don't link back in anger.

Okay, the reason I linked it, as is probably obvious, is as an exhibit A of Turrican Sam’s pedantic a-little-knowledge-plus-google-search-is-dangerous-thing approach to musicology.

I'm glad it's been pointed out! I actually hadn't seen Tim's response to that, and I've no problem with Tim (always a great guy to talk '60s stuff with, amongst other things and I enjoy his posts) so I should get around to responding to that - definitely not an augmented chord on "toasted", though, and 'Autumn Almanac' really is a proper "fistful of chords" type of track. The "yer doing it wrong" was meant in jest, and kinda a Troggs Tapes reference which I thought maybe Tim would get.

I've invited legendary jazz fusion guitarist Alan Holdsworth to the thread, he'll be conducting a webinar at 4PM EST today on the chordal structures of Oasis songs, if you sign up you'll also receive his eBook "Phrygian Mode for Beginners", a $20 value

Okay, the reason I linked it, as is probably obvious, is as an exhibit A of Turrican Sam’s pedantic a-little-knowledge-plus-google-search-is-dangerous-thing approach to musicology.

There is a difference, your link was to highlight a prior, hopefully relevant, conversation you'd had with I'm Turrican and not some shitty, if risible, ploy to try to discredit another poster.

I've invited legendary jazz fusion guitarist Alan Holdsworth to the thread, he'll be conducting a webinar at 4PM EST today on the chordal structures of Oasis songs, if you sign up you'll also receive his eBook "Phrygian Mode for Beginners", a $20 value

I thought you posted the link for that reason, James Redd, and I thought it was apt. We're just being snarky ;)

Will he answer Rutles questions? Xpost

I assume James is referring to the discussion where A, A7 and A9 were listed as seperate chords - but those chords have a specific appeal to them which is why people choose to use them. They sound different, therefore they should be referred to as different.

It should be worth mentioning that at no point during the thread I referred to anyone else as a retard, though.

Turrican, I tried yellowcarding you but can't tell if it worked or not. Check your email.

This is news to me!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvYDQBIokz0

Will he answer Rutles questions? Xpost

Hey Turrican, sent you a follow-up email.

I can't access it, I'm afraid.

Oh, so you didn't see either of them?

Nope, haven't seen either of 'em.

Original email was a warning that you were getting close to 51 and to maybe dial it back a bit. Second was a mea culpa because you are significantly less close to 51 than I thought: a number of your FPs had been from older than 6 months ago and needed to be deleted. The suggestion to dial it back a bit still seems like reasonable advice to me though. I'm not going to weigh in on whatever's going on in this thread because I don't want to accidentally learn the chords to Wonderwall.

mod what's yr take on pedal points?

x-post:

Hahahahaha, fair enough! :)

(xp) pedal notes.

("Pedal point" and "pedal tone" are equally acceptable terminology tbf.)

Mea culpa #2

... withdrawal #2

(xp) pedal notes.

― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Wednesday, April 4, 2018 2:37 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Tom sorry I should have been more upfront I'm John Petrucci of Dream Theater, in the Theater we always say "pedal points"

I'd like to toast points

lmao ums

The hell, this thread exploded.

A lot of contentious points/tones/notes came up.

Mostly chordial.

Pedal pedantry was a delightful new thing for me

Did anyone ever make effects pedals which were also bike pedals and which you could only use while simultaneously pedaling a stationary bike and going ham on a guitar, because if not I will file my patent now and build one for u.

It's been mentioned here before but yes, all this song has going for is a few details like the way the second verse starts with cello/vocals then drums then bass. That really works. Also, the melody of the pre-chorus is kinda nice. It is in the chorus when things really go wrong. So lazy and anti-climatic! Perhaps they wanted to break the pattern of full-blown anthemic choruses for a change, but it really doesn't work. Although it clearly must work for some people.

wish I'd made a $2 bet that a pedal geek fight would erupt on a thread about "wonderwall"

I mean, "Soon", sure, I get that

Pedals are for lames, real shredders use racks

Backbeat, word is on the street / That the fire in this thread is out

Pedal point geeks i need u

Wild thread

gallagheresque

https://theculturetrip.com/europe/united-kingdom/articles/this-british-song-has-just-been-voted-the-best-of-all-time/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=ad&utm_campaign=042018britishsong

utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=ad&utm_campaign=042018britishsong

lmaooo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFvREW50hFk

Ha. catching up: UMS and Vancouver Jim brought some serious wisdom upthread.

namaste