Wonderwall

It's not a good a song as 'What's The Story Morning Glory', the other good song on that album.

I don't have the Oasis hate that some here have, but Wonderwall has never been a favorite of mine. Slide Away or Live Forever easily best it.

The Mike Flowers version is a sub-Moldy Peaches one-listen joke, the kind of thing that fans of Chris Evans found hilarious. Pavement also did a funny cover of it, as did Ryan Adams.

Perhaps because it's quite simply arranged, I think it's dated pretty well. Certainly compared to "Round Are Way", one of the B-sides, which now sounds very mid-90s. One of the other flipsides was of course "The Masterplan" which Noel always said was one of his favourite songs... I was never that much of a fan of that track, it always sounded a little pompous to me.

I don't think it's their finest hour, but it's still in my opinion one of the greatest singles of the 90s. Though obviously not as good as "I Believe"...

I think it's quite good, and snotty rock vocals work well on it.

I vote for more courting songs.

I also agree with him about the Wonderwall.

Others who have covered it: Radiohead, Metallica, Robbie Williams, Sarah McLauchlan, 3T, Violent Femmes and Jackie O (suggests: enduring classic, I guess, if that matters).

* And I think Noel really is very sincere and serious about even his dumbest songs, in a very laddish way. It's just that it takes Liam to actually sing them with the right level of childishness.

1. rich acoustic gtr part

2. starkness of voice: SHOUTING when it should be whispering allthe time

3. The C-D-A (so to speak) at the end of first vocal verse: ie, let's stop and recap

4. the drums - which people felt the need to brand as 'trip-hop' c.10.95. I don't like that, but I like this. I like the impression of subtlety which is un-Oasis-like.

5. The strings hove in.

6. 'Backbeat': setting up quiet (or loud) Beatles Reference Centre.

7. I haven't mentioned the pace and density of the verse melody / combination of words.

8. Or 'I don't believe that ANYbody': ie the instinct (if that, Tim) to know that he needed to go somewhere Other on line 3.

9. The wee jangle on 'All the roads', etc; the melody too;

10. The descent through 'like / to say / to you'

11. The ascent to 'But I don't know ho-o-ow'

That's enough. This is c.1 minute 45, or whatever. But the chorus is still to come.

12. I think the chorus ' Cos maybe' - is inferior to what precedes it; but it's still better than most.

13. The halt in mid-song; start up again.

14. The piano at the end; the way the string soar sinister to conclusion.

15. Have I missed something?

all the time.

You can't persuade me, Pinefox. In fact you've rarely baffled or infuriated me more. It was and is utter shite which I have never been able to bear listening to. The one afternoon when I actually heard an Oasis album was one of the worst of my life, no question.

!!!!!

In Noely baby's M0ther phuxing dreams!!!!

Cant beat a good bit of Demiss Roussos.

2. Doc C - I like some of the heavier things, but would differentiate: somehow 'Some Might Say' is different class from 'Up In The Sky', for me (: the latter is inferior; the former is a rival to 'Wonderwall' itself as Gallagher's best).

3. For a minute I thought you were on about the drumming on 'Wonderwall' (you weren't). But I think Alan White's work here is awesome; it makes me glad that McCarroll had been fired.

4. Q - I like your comment but (being no musicologist) I'm not quite sure I get it. Do you mean the last chord with the strings, or the end-after-the-end (which I have always thought was a reference to 'Supersonic')?

Wasn't aware that cellos could arpeggiate...

I like "Wonderwall" all right but not enough that I actually need to buy a CD or ever listen to it of my own volition.

The best song ever written by Noel (so far) is Where Did It All Go Wrong, great lyrics, great instrumental and superb melody!

Is Wonderwall a possible candidate for a Geezasthetics' anthem? Just the JtN type?

(I probably have got your email Cozen - haven't checked for a few days due to distractions from all my lovely birthday presents.)

I don't know what Drew Daniel is.