MIA

she must be doing some dates in london too i expect.

and i think there's a us punk bank by this name, too

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I've never seen her dj, but judging from her releases I'd wager she'll play on the softer and dreamier side of minimal house.

born free already being discussed somewhere already?
read yr. blogs

read yr blogs, ppl

does the synth just sound like suicide or is it a sample? song's alright.

How much of the new album did Rusko produce? If he did the whole thing, it's likely to be dreadful.

well this new song doesn't sound like it had anything to do with him, but it's still definitely dreadful

someone tells me this new track has was produced by suicide?

read yr threads

samples suicide def
but did they produce it

this is great anyway

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pretty sure it's just a sample. writing credit is her, martin and alan. it's gash, but they'll get some cash so that's great.

it's cash, but they'll get some gash so that's great.

I get that its cool to hear Paper Planes in indie discos nowdays, but can't she go back to the intense buzzy skeletal beats of Arular, they're so much more fun

Also, poor German MIA

iDig this. Arular is neanderthal MIA and...and that's saying something given her overall aesthetic.

Don't like the lo-fi karaoke thing on her voice in this particular song... I could see how it's supposed to fit with the punk aesthetic of the song but it just sounds like lazy production... hope the rest of the album feels less like a demo.

And it's a shame because the sample is good.

this is pretty weak imo

iDig this.

you just came sooooo goddamn close to a suggest ban you have no idea

ok this is awesome

I DONT WANNA TALK ABOUT MONEY CAUSE I GOT IT-GOT IT-got it-got it
AND I DONT WANNA TALK ABOUT HOOCHIES CAUSE I BEEN IT-BEEN IT-been it-been it

lol she has definitely been hanging out with Santigold

she does Santigold better than Santigold does

the buildup to this is great

between this and the clip of Gorillaz from The Colbert Report, I am very happy I followed a Pitchfork link today

In 2009, Time magazine placed M.I.A. in the Time 100 list of "World's Most Influential people" for having "global influence across many genres".

"genre influence across many globes"

do we even have entryist pop any more? she ought to be commended for such a leftfield move

collaboration with mika vainio and kk null awaits

she does Santigold better than Santigold does

Uh... Santigold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MIA.

ugh son

i would buy an album of MIA punk songs

Its modernist punk. It makes me interested. Sounds good.

Just sounds like bad Atari Teenage Riot. Nothing really new going on here.

I love the beat but those vocals sound really half-assed.

Except MIA hasn't done 'bad atari teenage riot' before. Its pop music. Did you expect some sort of Stockhausen experiment? What is new etc, etc...

she had this album called kala that pulled from some great honkies: richman, pixies, clash
She made them her own and made them parts of something great

thought she'd do suicide justice. she did not.

Shit. And here I was just thinking she went and made a song.

So can we get this straight: Is it 'Bad Atari Teenage Riot' or 'Bad Suicide'. Is someone going to say sounds like 'Bad M.I.A?' Prefer these kinds of influences than Beach #**!@$ Boys.

Prefer these kinds of influences than Beach #**!@$ Boys.

word the fuck up

We don't like this? Cause it sounds pretty darn good to me!!!

It is kind of zzzz but I love the Suicide sample a lot. Just wish there were more, like, melodies and tones and stuff and not just noise.

It's the best thing I have heard all day- ahead of my kids persistent whining, the sound of pork frying and a hippy, gypsy Dylan at a park down the road. More melody than all three too.
Don't listen to them M.I.A.
Keep up the good work.

i like it fine. but i also like xtrmntr, which is really the first thing it makes me think of.

Santigold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MIA

wait waht? i have that santigold disc. never really registered for me. love MIA, tho, for the beats, hooks and lyrics.

MIA is so infinately better than santi

m.i.a. generally is better than santogold but this new song is way worse

sorry but no, I have been rocking the fuck out to this all fuckin day, when I have been bumpin gang starr for old times sake

this is the besssssssssst when u r drunk

Oh hey it IS sort of like MIA + XTRMNTR now that you mention it

This song is pretty great.

Yeah I love this. I also like ATR and XTRMNTR and Suicide though.

i have that santigold disc those MIA discs. never really registered for me. love MIA Santigold, tho, for the beats, hooks and lyrics.

See, this is my experience.

ok wtfff @ this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xD5xjahxac

note: not really work or mind safe

wow.

Intense. but I liked it

the kind of video senser would have made if they'd had the budget

tbh the music is about on senser's level too

ah that video just makes that suicide sample even more intense.

not feeling the video - there's no reason for it to be 9 minutes long ans for all the viscera there's a pointlessness to the entire concept

expected her to not do something thats so familiar but the songs ok. bit too chemical bros/prodigy ish though. i expect better from her.

good video though. and her conceptualism is still there. wonder what the sound of the album will be like.

sort of reminds of the 'windowlicker' vid with the distended length and american setting albeit with the avant-grotesquerie replaced by inane blackly comic quasipolitical challops

"this video contains content from UMG. it is no longer available in your country."

what's the title of the song?

"her conceptualism is still there"

what

there ought always to be room in pop music for syncretists/dilettantes with a sense for the right wtf direction, even if u hate it u gotta have respect for her

malcolm mclaren would have wanted it this way

what a horribly formed song

"what"

i guess youd prefer someone like i dunno, brother ali where everything is 100% accurate/theoretically sound but 100% boring

no i just mean... what do you mean by "conceptualism" here?

hey it's another mia song that would be interesting except for mia's vocals

with a video for people who don't know about punishment park

not sure if anyone follow pitchfork on twitter, but she's tweeting there all day and it's possibly the most annoying thing she's ever done. not really sure what she's trying to accomplish by being so kayne/all-caps/obnoxious, when i've seen and heard interviews where she's a very normal, laid back kind of person.

ann powers on twitter: "The #MIA vid works as a repositioning tool. Reaffirmng that old skool revolution is her biz even if bright colors and indie cred distract."

pretty sure "biz" isn't used ironically

generally p retarded tweet

MIA's my name, old skool revolution is my game

R MY C/LOK KEYS REALLY REALLY REALLLLLLLLLLY OFFENDING U OK ILL TAKE THEM OFF ▖ ▗ ▘ ▙ ▚ ▛ ▜ ▝ ▞ ▟ ▀▖ ▗ ▘ ▙ ▚ ▛ ▜ ▝ ▞ ▟ ▀▁ ▂ ▃ ▆ ▇ █ #miap4k

web 2.0 at its best

anyone who follows pitchfork on twitter deserves what they get

you are the generation that followed pitchfork on twitter

aw man, if I was her I'd follow up reports of being annoyed with tweets all in Wingdings

Listening to it again in hi quality and I'm still frustrated at how great the sample is and how it gets ruined by unnecessary echo on the vocals and the lazy production. Her voice sounds way better when it's slightly behind the sound, not in front of it all. Song sounds killer until she torches it down with the vocals... oh well, we'll always have ghostrider...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4KY2n-pZok

lol I just learned abt this song from Alex in NYC's blog

the vocals on this rox u r all gay

It's kind of funny that everyone here calls me the voice/singing Nazi even though I generally think things like this are awesome

god you are such a nazi

;_;

she just sounds kinda bored to me?

I like the song okay and actually really like the video.

being a singing/voice nazi, that's where you're a viking

I don't mind this song, but I hope it isn't representative of what LP3 has in store generally. She seems too good and too canny to drop some kind of disappointing album on us in 2010.

New tracklist supposedly:
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6691/91802364.jpg

WELCOME !

lol

http://195.224.149.148/SB/Apple_iMac_1.jpg

30 minutes long!

you are the generation that followed pitchfork on twitter

― nabisco infiltrator (J0rdan S.), Monday, April 26, 2010 1:28 PM (42 minutes ago)

i also follow fred durst.

A STORY TO BE TOLD through word-of-mouse IF UR BORD spead newszak #miap4k

re: that tracklisting, I can totally see her sampling Tequila by Terrorvision and turning it into some sort of uberhip dancefloor filling 2010 equivalent of Paper Planes; except where that was basically just a good sample with some tired sounding samples and annoying vocals, this will be http://991.com/newgallery/Terrorvision-Autographed-Publi-326554.jpg + tired sounding samples and annoying vocals.

Sorta tempted to start a poll to decide which former ILM darling is now the most hated. First two obvious inclusions would be MIA and Hold Steady, with possibly a nod to Joanna Newsom.

the streets

I wouldn't want to live in a world where my primary musical association with "Tequila" was with some group called Terrorvision who look like that and not with, you know, the Champs.

Good call, but that one feels even more deserved than some of the others.

i was thinking tila, personally

I think the first album of my grandparents I absconded with 3 decades ago was the 'Boots' Randolph "Tequila".

its a drink you guys............................................

nice to see her giving something BACK to seagrams for a change

Anyway, Twitter!

rip suicide

that video gives me chest pains.

Sorta tempted to start a poll to decide which former ILM darling is now the most hated.

Geir?

http://twitpic.com/1inn5o
suggested titles:
Bom Dia
Illegal Y Que?
Shikapow!
Ritz Riotz
Damn Near Liberated or Libertesque
Salmonella Beats
Sicarii
Kickin
Power 3.0
Liberata
Keep It All In The Family
Velvet Rain
Takeover
It Is Time
Tarnation
Anaphora
Safaroux
Mayaleaks

not feeling the video - there's no reason for it to be 9 minutes long ans for all the viscera there's a pointlessness to the entire concept

It's a few months too late, but MIA was trying to say that she's with Coco.

Now that I think about it, wasn't there a South Park episode about this?

my first thought was wondering when ginger kid would weigh in re: this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY39fkmqKBM

not feeling the video - there's no reason for it to be 9 minutes long ans for all the viscera there's a pointlessness to the entire concept

_____________________________

It's a few months too late, but MIA was trying to say that she's with Coco.

lol

actually, i think the video fits in well with m.i.a.'s work. it's got that ominous vibe and -- here's the key -- it's vaguely political. i love her lyrics, but you can't really tell where she's coming from with them, other than the fact that she's an "underground revolutionary."

and i wasn't kidding about the video being deeply unsettling (i don't think i really had chest pains over it). but i liked it -- the video played with my point-of-view and challenged my sympathies, all of which is something that good music and videos can do.

eh the video is p. much one-note provocation that doesn't actually say anything.

wait americans how did you get it to work? when i cliked this morning it was all "ur in the rong country bro"

and again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punishment_Park

not feeling the video - there's no reason for it to be 9 minutes long ans for all the viscera there's a pointlessness to the entire concept

It's a few months too late, but MIA was trying to say that she's with Coco.

― Cunga

lol

gbx i watched the vimeo stream posted on p4k

its like children of men without any of the interesting stuff

HIIIIIIIIIII NEET WANTS YOU TO KNOW WEBZINE IS NOW ACTIVE>>> http://neetrecordings.com/blog/home MIA TOUR DATES FOR THE SUMMER XXXO #miap4k

that too max

there was interesting stuff in children of men?

meh. i found this video more interesting than that movie.

hah ok wrapping up now

lol

and again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punishment_Park

― call all destroyer, Monday, April 26, 2010 9:11 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

We did see you point that out earlier, yes.

the video played with my point-of-view and challenged my sympathies, all of which is something that good music and videos can do.

― Daniel, Esq., Monday, April 26, 2010 10:08 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

rly? i wasn't glued to the screen, but it was kind of saying The Man is bad, although the fact that he was rounding up redheads is kind of quirky. it definitely has a 'punishment park' vibe, and 'punishment park' is didactic, hectoring shit.

for the first few seconds when it started, i figured we were seeing soldiers either invading a terrorist cell, or the cradle of a drug empire, or in the middle of a dangerous war zone, and i sympathized with how dangerous a job they have. after that, everything obv. changed. but those first few seconds, paired against the rest of the video were jarring and left an impression on me.

Kudos for spotting the Punishment Park "homage" guys, but you do know that the average MIA fan in 2010 will have absolutely no frame of reference for that movie, right?

yeah, the redhead thing was strange. i think i spotted mich hucknall among those rounded up.

o_O

it's by MIA and it's called 'born free' and the army dudes look as sinister as fuck

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the average MIA fan in 2010 will have absolutely no frame of reference for that movie, right?

idk, over-educated cinephiles are probably a core part of her audience

you're right that since it's from m.i.a., i should have assumed something like what unfolded.

would think MIA fans in 2010 are more likely to have heard about or seen Punishment Park than even collegiate music fans in earlier eras, considering no studio would put it out and the film was released on dvd in 2005.

it's still pretty obscure, but probably less so now than ever

yeah I've never heard of Punishment Park before this thread (not that I am claiming myself as a typical MIA fan)

i mean i know what punishment is

and i know what a park is

yeah waht is it

lol sorry for bringing up something ppl might not have heard of

it's a boring movie about cops hunting hippies whose wikipedia page is linked to twice upthread

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gotta say, I liked the song better in the video, when it got all dubby and then came back strong. that was cool.

Still wish I hadn't watched it though.

i can't imagine all the publicists now calling pfork and the like to get their shitty indie bands to take over their twitters

ayup, im intentionally not reading any of the twitter posts because i like the idea of MIA that exists in my mind and i want to keep it that way

be kind of awesome if this album was total Flowers Of Romance wtfery

yes and no; it would be awesome but I also like my sparkly politically-confused club trax

1000timesyes today @1000timesyes will be taken over by Fang Island! they will be using the hashtag #1000timesfangisland

be kind of awesome if this album was total Flowers Of Romance wtfery

even better if it was more like second edition, but yes

then again she completely tricked me with where she was going to go on Kala with "Bird Flu" so basically all we can say for sure is that there will be music and it will have messages in it that are equal parts cogent, indecipherable and reprehensible

true nuff

I'm not very keen on Born Free but the particularly pointed kind of schadenfreude you get on these threads whenever MIA releases something that's any less than storming is totally lame.

the particularly pointed kind of schadenfreude you get on these threads whenever MIA releases something that's any less than storming is totally lame.

otm

Also, as much as I like her music, the notion that she could have a twitter feed that wasn't completely obnoxious and ridiculous is kind of amusing.

real talk

I think there would be less schadenfreude if people weren't consistently told by her, lots of her fans and lots of the press that everything she did was revolutionary cutting edge life changing uber-music. Her schtick can be pretty annoying if it's not backed up by really good music.

She is a pop star. For better or for worse she is clearly trying to be very popular or effect popular culture in some way. I like that she prances around, making ridiculous statements, and courting attention. She wants as many people to hear her music as possible. Her music is better, more vital etc... than most of the other dross that is in or near to the charts.

oh my fucking god it's that old "pop stars must say stupid shit and look dumb at all times" chestnut again

Sorry. I find this model 'stupid shit look dumb' quite entertaining. Certainly makes these boards a whole lot more interesting if a little whiny and self important.

CNN story:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Music/04/27/mia.music.video/index.html?hpt=T2

The video's 'disturbing' but rather shallow, I thought.

"If you look at M.I.A.'s life, there is a history of political activism," Pasulka said. "She's the daughter of a revolutionary who fought for an independent state in Sri Lanka, so she is obviously trying to make a political statement."

...

"I would say she out-GaGaed Lady GaGa," Pasulka said. "This has the potential for even more coverage than all of the interest that surrounded 'Telephone.' "

love the song, dig the video conceptually but think the execution is weak

(lol, no pun intended)

M.I.A.: Out-GaGaing Lady GaGa in 2010.

Ga(lang)Ga(lang).

fuck's sake why are there people taking her "revolutionary" "activism" remotely seriously

i don't really mind that she's kind of stupid as long as she comes up with banging hooks like "bamboo banga" or hits upon an observational vein that works like "hussel" but this is ridic

Love how open that person is about exploiting her "politics."

maybe it's empty vaguely rebellious shtick, but she's squawky and it fits with her squawkiness

thought at first the video was gonna be like america was no longer merely in the green zone of a hypermegaglobalwar which woulda been a more interesting contention to me, but then the redheads thing feels gimmicky and yeah, shallow. too entrenched already as a facile metaphor for discrimination to have some other meaning here. i guess the state deriving its authority from coercive force is a meaning that remains: that's scary & acquiescing is in tension with being "born free".

m.i.a. is passé. pasulka needs to be more forward-thinking: who will out-gaga the woman who out-gaga'ed lady gaga?

although the fact that he was rounding up redheads is kind of quirky.

It reminds me of when grade school teachers try to show why the Jim Crow South was unjust by segregating the class into blue eyed and brown eyed students and treating them differently. It's meant to show the arbitrary or absurd nature of discrimination but to most people it's just lol u silly.

it's meant to show the arbitrary or absurd nature of discrimination

is it here tho? i don't see how it can when the obvious parallel to this vid is raids on households in asia & the middle east and wartime atrocities. could it be a comment of some kind on immigration or racial profiling (spheres where the state is a coercive actor)? or just a "quirky" non-idea.

I like the idea and the message behind the video, but the message probably would have gotten through better with a little less graphic violence. A lot of people will never see this because of exaggerated graphicness. And, oh, I guess the gratious nudity early on is alone enough to get it banned from most American channels.

racial profiling ethnic cleansing

I like the idea and the message behind the video, but the message probably would have gotten through better with a little less graphic violence.

geir..............otm?

http://stevehickey.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/70srapture.jpg

what was "banana skit" about?

bananas?

it's fun to say banana

true

i always imagined it was like some dis track against dizzee rascal because of that line in "Fix Up Look Sharp" where he says BANAWNAW all like a British person.

That's a stupid idea, but otherwise it's just inscrutable.

lol at that after u being all OCCAMSRAZOR4LIFE on the viking thread

doubt mia would find an east londoner saying banana as remarkable as u do

EFIL4ROZARSMACCO

i dunno, she's a west londoner, which is probably like 5 accent zones away

kind of bummed that i keep getting an error msg when i attempt a "vote for your favorite #miap4k tweet" poll

i've admitted that it's probably a very wrong interpretation, but she opens her critically adored first album with a sketch that makes no sense to me

or anyone? did like everyone in their EMP paper that year talk about how great "banana skit" is because everyone understood it but me?

I think the sense in it is mostly

it's fun to say banana

― dipset infiltrator (zvookster), Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:41 PM Bookmark

this shit is bananas

ha, I think I was privately thinking "T/S 'B-A-N-A-N-A-S' vs 'BA-NA-NAAAH'" in my head all that year

i think there might actually be a thread to that effect somewhere

talking of pop stars being "activists", amerie is being super-eloquent and passionate about some new arizonan immigration law on twitter right now. where are the cnn articles lauding her for this.

so "banana skit" is an english lesson for refugees in which the practice word is "banana," the fruit so tied to colonialism/imperialism that it spawned the term "banana republic"?

english language/american culture as colonizing force

then again, sometimes a banana is just a banana

some of that too but mostly

it's fun to say banana

― dipset infiltrator (zvookster), Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:41 PM Bookmark

“I wrote that because when I was at school that was the type of shit that you have to learn first when you’re an immigrant and you get sent to a special school to learn English. And I was always pronouncing everything really badly because the way you say it in Tamil is totally different. I mean, the syllables, the way they come out your mouth is so different: ba-na-na. And that’s how that came about. I just wanted to make quite autobiographical.”

i guess that makes sense? Did all 4000 rock critics who jizzed on the album understand that? Or did they all just blow by the fact that the first 45 seconds of the year's most "important" album kind of made no sense?

Really would like a run down of how critics in 2005 interpreted "banana skit"

there are racial connotations for the term "banana" re: asians, that's where my mind went with it

why does it have to make sense?

there are racial connotations for the term "banana" re: asians

rly??

yes rly

Btw. I've heard considerably better songs by MIA. This sounds like Björk about to be strangled by volcano ash.

think her own explanation p much covers it... also it's a skit not effing frantz fanon

welp, never heard that, in england

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i have to admit this song has been in my head since watching the video.

lex: I'd be willing to wage Amerie is a hell of a lot ~smarter~ than Maya, but her politics are coming from an angle to which people are much more accustomed and is hence much less novel.

btw banana/twinkie:asians::oreo:african americans

xp

"it's just one thing that's got her trippin'" would be a good headline tho

Arular reviews that dont have the word "Banana" in them:

Pitchfork
Stylus
Allmusic
PopMatters
Austin Chronicle
Guardian
Dusted
Paste

Like the most critically acclaimed album of the decade and no one mentioned THE OPENING TRACK

oh ok. well, mia isn't "asian" as in east asian innit so nah bruv not seeing that.

xpost

xp you are seriously stressing about some incredibly minor shit

Christgau did!

Banana Skit" starts the album with her only message: "Get yourself an education."

I'm not stressin. I'm just saying, I had no idea wtf that skit was about and was wondering if the most written-about record of the decade included ppl pretending to know what it meant. And apparently no one dared.

Sri Lanka is south Asian fyi

xp

fucking in the streets was totally otm re banana skit, gj

but whatever I'll take her word for it. Banana is more of a N. American slang term anyway - which would explain why it occurred to me, but my not have been what she intended

xp

may not

that's why he said sri lanka isn't east asian mo

he/she

Shakey, "banana" is like a lost b-side to the album that is racial slurs in america

figured she was kickin it with diplo in the studio and he told her that joke about beethoven's favorite fruit

ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring banana phone

Any racial connotations with bananas in the UK were/are directed at black people rather than (South) Asians.

It's never crossed my mind before to even think about what the banana skit is about.

I like Born Free but mostly it makes me want to listen to Suicide.

i assumed whiney was being pointlessly facetious by harping on about that skit

i guess that makes sense? Did all 4000 rock critics who jizzed on the album understand that? Or did they all just blow by the fact that the first 45 seconds of the year's most "important" album kind of made no sense?

It's obviously an English lesson you fucking moron.

I mean, it's rubbish and a bit annoying and I'm willing to bet that most of those critics did exactly what I've done for years and skipped straight through to Pull Up The People after the first couple of listens, but still it's not exactly any great mystery.

skipped straight through to Pull Up The People after the first couple of listens

can't really imagine doing that tbh

I tend to skip skits whatever happens really.

yeah i skip skits 99% of the time too. one of my least favourite type of review is the one where the critic focuses overly on skits/intros/outros.

I usually only skip skits if they are non-musical

I tend to like little musical bits and pieces anyway

and the ones on Arular are kind of perfect imo

lol "skip" -- untick moar liek

I usually skip "Banana Skit", "Pull Up The People" and "Bucky Done Gun" altogether and play directly from "Fire Fire"/"Sunshowers" (depending on which version of the CD I'm playing); the only reason I skip "Banana Skit" is because it's easier to just start playing from track 4 since I don't really like the first two "real" tracks all that much.

I only like reviewing skits. I skip the songs.

there should be Greatest Skits comps

skits4u http://danteross.com/blogs/jzone/2009/07/13/j-zones-top-8-most-perplexing-hip-hop-skits/

hah. love that post.

I've played "Born Free" about a bazillion times now and I still like it a lot

Only heard it the once but I can summon up the chorus in my head just like that = sign of a good pop song. (Seriously.)

I've played "Born Free" about a bazillion times now and I still like it a lot

― Marriage, that's where I'm a Viking! (HI DERE), Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:18 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

That J-Zone post is hilarious. Reading ludicrously well-informed hip hop heads cracking wise about ridiculous lyrics/skits is one of my favourite things.

Re: skits, best ever is TLC's Ho Remover off Ooh... On the TLC Tip.

i'm partial to the madd rapper one on life after death

I used to be obsessed with Snoop's Classroom Intro and the one on The Predator about winning the wet T-shirt contest. I suspect 95% of all skits end with either (a) swearing, (b) gunshots or (c) both. There's a comforting routine to them - I don't really demand originality in the skit arena.

snoop classroom skit took 2nd in my mental rolodex.

I've played "Born Free" about a bazillion times now and I still like it a lot

― Marriage, that's where I'm a Viking! (HI DERE), Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:18 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

― will live out his days in gloomy batchelorhood (Eric H.), Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:21 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

yup

okay after actually reading this thread, if whiney going on & on about a fucking skit is what got him pushed off the SB cliff, then it was prob warranted

WGW was suggest-banned? yikes.

GOOD SONG, BTW.

thank fuck. he's a dull cunt.

I like Born Free but mostly it makes me want to listen to Suicide.

― broad layering (onimo), Wednesday, April 28, 2010 4:36 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

okay after actually reading this thread, if whiney going on & on about a fucking skit is what got him pushed off the SB cliff, then it was prob warranted

― ibaka flocka flame (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:18 PM

i do not get this

he was posting about album reviews from 2005, and getting all pissed off, and no one even cared other than him

i like whiney but dude really, really needs to take it easy

i couldnt even figure out what he was mad about

was he mad that the skit existed or what

i really don't see how that's worse than any of the other antics that go on on our beloved board

i think he was mad that reviewers did not discuss the issues with the skit (whatever they were--i've never heard it) which is basically insane

ok i just listened to skit in question and i'd just like to say:

It's obviously an English lesson you fucking moron.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, April 28, 2010 5:05 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

It's obviously an English lesson you fucking moron.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, April 28, 2010 5:05 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

It's obviously an English lesson you fucking moron.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, April 28, 2010 5:05 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

It's obviously an English lesson you fucking moron.

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It's obviously an English lesson you fucking moron.

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xpost

if people really SB'd him for that--which, yeah, we don't know--they have really thin skins

banana peel thin

hahahaha

Finally got around to listening to this and it's about as revolutionary as a year-old issue of Maximum Rock & Roll

It reminds of Children of Men crossed with this and cranked to 11:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUhLIjlTNSk

Minus the humor, obviously.

to get back on topic for a minute, mia from germany has a ustream channel w/ a new dj set every week.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ur-wedding

mya (mya harrison) > mia (michaela grobelny) > m.i.a. (maya arulpragalsam) > mia (german indie band)

Lex OFFTM, the mnml German MIA is so dull.

untrue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5Ylc5rSEhI

That isn't helping your case. She always seems a bit ploddy and more interested in chilly atmospherics at the expense of a decent groove.

she is an ~ice queen~

Yeah but give me an explosion like 'Boyz' or 'Galang' over ice queens any day. And if it's ice queens you want then Chloe >>>>>>>> MIA.

and another forthcoming version of Suicide's Ghostrider: http://www.blastfirstpetite.com/ball-friday.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ6_gQ8QGJ0

guess soft cell dude really loves that song

I don't see this campaign going well for MIA. Her pop up ads of a running red head exploding and their blood spelling her name? Revolutionary stuff...

she's actually tapping into ppl's latent hatred of gingers, I think she'll do just fine

it's like the nathan barley graphic of the vietnamese guy being shot in the head

what sites are those pop ups on?

Her pop up ads of a running red head exploding and their blood spelling her name?

wait waht

http://altreport.hipsterrunoff.com/2010/04/is-m-i-a-s-violent-popup-ad-the-most-annoying-internet-ad-of-all-time.html

oh lol, see your first mistake is going to Vice

dan otm of course

can someone explain 2 me the difference between hipster runoff & alt report

just expanding the brand i think

does carles write both sites?

i think so? but i'm not going to check

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/UR.jpg

More bands should release stand-alone singles that don't end up on the album, and by "more bands" I mean "M.I.A." This would be real effective as just some agit-bomb dropped in advance of a disc that doesn't sound at all like this.

is down like your internet connection not on the new album? i liked that.

JZ is shitting himself for not being able to do his own Born Free

who is jz?

jame zmurphy?

jay z

jeffrey zizmor

Even MORE ghostrider: blastfirstpetite now has this info as well:

MOGWAI
“Ghostrider” – Recording Now
PTYT 028
Release Date TBC

Oh. I see.

http://blastfirstpetite.com/epseries.gif

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/01/article-0-096222CC000005DC-367_468x682.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1270231/M-I-A-s-controversial-redhead-genocide-music-video-banned-YouTube.html

shd be some blogworthy invective in the hys before long

Speaking to TMZ.com, he said: 'The video is definitely not for kids - I haven't even seen the full video myself - but, for all the adults and people in different countries who are doing that (killing people) in real life... doing the genocides to whatever - Italians, Africans, wherever it's from, it's still genocide.'

'So it's (the video) showing violence to end violence.'

Man, this video wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be given the reactions.

Yeah, the violence was so atmospheric that it didn't really read as violence.

as in wrt violence or generally xp?

the video is alright, of course it's kinda stupid but nothing worth hyperventilating over....

I'll admit it's pretty shallow, but I'm a redhead, tho, so it hit a little closer to home. Made me want to stop this injustice that's being carried out in Los Angeles.

i kinda hate mia's music, and all the discussion around her music. i know this is a challop & largely uninteresting, but the noise around her stuff, the amusicality of much of it, the main appeal for so many ppl being lame one-track jacks of like 'sunshowers' and 'straight to hell' -- sorry yall, i dont care for this much at all.

real talk

nice to see deej say something sane and rational

cherish the moment

doesnt cad usually agree w/ me?? man that viking thread is really pissing ppl off

i remember being in this cafe around '05 & some song was playing -- i think it was like ltrimm or something -- & this dude comes up & asks the chick behind the counter if its MIA. shes like '...no...' not sure what an MIA is, and her boyfriend is there too, big dude in braids & rocawear, and this kid is self-consciously trying to explain to both of them why MIA is worthwhile & it was like such the epitome of this shit to me, not that ppl dont have legit reasons but he just struggled so disappointingly in trying to explain her appeal, like "but like ... the beats ... are really dope...uhhhh"

i don't usually disagree with you! just a mild zing re: viking thread

the video is alright, of course it's kinda stupid but nothing worth hyperventilating over...

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels that way.

i wonder if MIA made this video before or after Erykah Badu's similarly effective controversy bait

but the noise around her stuff, the amusicality of much of it, the main appeal for so many ppl being lame one-track jacks of like 'sunshowers' and 'straight to hell' -- sorry yall, i dont care for this much at all.

mia is overrated, but i gotta find it a little ironic to hear hip-hop junkies complaining about hype, "amusicality" and the popularity of "lame one-track jacks"

ha otm

i don't even know what amusicality means really, but i can think of a lot of pretty great things that would register as amusical to some people. but m.i.a. isn't even one of them, you don't get hit singles from being amusical. "born free" is not great, it's just good, but people indicting her wholesale have issues i don't even know how to register. like, yes, she jacks TONS of shit, that's her thing, but if you don't get that HOW she jacks it and repurposes it is really the point -- and if you don't just basically dig her thing, i guess is what i'm saying -- then you're off in some other place that i don't know and can't relate to. i can understand thinking m.i.a. is not great, even though i think she is. i don't understand thinking she's not good.

i wonder if MIA made this video before or after Erykah Badu's similarly effective controversy bait

A video that complicated doesn't get set up in a day. I think it was planned several months ago.

Re MIA in general, I'm with deej. I don't like any of her music (I called her first record "Tom Tom Club with a tan" and I stand by that) and I think the hype and general lovefest atmosphere around her every half-assed, fumbling gesture is somewhere between annoying and infuriating.

"Tom Tom Club with a tan"

That's racist! Also Tom Tom Club are great.

As is M.I.A. I like her music.

see when you say half-assed fumbling gesture it makes me wonder

Normally I'm as rockist as they come, but she gets my vote for best person making music right now. That Tom Tom Club statement is retarded, in every sense of the word.

I would not want to live in a world that did not have "Genius of Love" in it

unperson's statement makes me think of:

marley - absurdly overrated uncle tom. eric clapton with boot polish.

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, May 21, 2004 1:25 AM Bookmark

I got no problem with Tom Tom Club. But they weren't granted the sociopolitical weight/gravitas MIA is. My point is that she's no more philosophically rigorous than they were, but critics think (or in any case claim) she is because brown skin = instant cred.

shes not tanned she was born that way shes from sri lanka

And I agree w/that opinion of Bob Marley, too, btw.

bob marley is a real person of african descent not a man who has put boot polish on his face

thinking he meant like eric clapton but with shinier boots

And I agree w/that opinion of Bob Marley, too, btw.

― Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Sunday, May 2, 2010 6:44 PM Bookmark

So basically what you're saying is that you are a racial essentialist dickbag, which of course we might have suspected after the Curvy Colombian incident. Gotcha.

ha, now that I think of that post, this one:

brown skin = instant cred.

― Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Sunday, May 2, 2010 6:44 PM Bookmark

is super-funny in light of it

unperson is right, rock critics really need to stop giving such preferential treatment to brown people

true dat

" you don't get hit singles from being amusical. "

no, you get hit singles by using the musicality of the clash & dr. buzzard's savannah band

and actually mlccl0 i think me being a rap fan makes this a more effective criticism -- puffy got a lot of shit for 'repurposing' but im pretty consistent w/ liking songs where something was added (i.e. 'mo money') and dissing shit where it wasnt ('ill be missing you'). MIA isnt adding anything remotely on the level of, like, what Ma$e brought to the table on 'feel so good,' its just generic screechy fauxmaican AMUSICAL hollering that is supposed to signify a bunch of trumped up political b.s. that, as loyal young liberals, we're supposed to feel solidarity with ('poor ppl of color, internationally'), without actually having to listen to the stuff that 'poor ppl of color' are listening to. this isnt an argument that you have to, like, be a huge 50 cent fan or some shit, but i think acknowledging that MIA's "hits" are 99% about the material shes jacking & 0% about her contributions and 1% about effective marketing, theres not really much else to say

i mean, everyone makes such a big god damn deal about her hit(s?) like shes some major-league pop artist right now. im not sure shes more popular than sean kingston to most rap fans who were feeling 'swagger like us'

obv shell have a much longer career than SK -- the kind of media coverage she gets basically has guaranteed her longevity -- i just remain wholly unimpressed by her music, and by the arguments ppl have made in favor of it

& yeah like al i totally thought of how it seemed like shes trying to one-up badu or something w/ a rather heavy-handed political statement

MIA's "hits" are 99% about the material shes jacking & 0% about her contributions and 1% about effective marketing

i felt this about jimmy from the last album, but nothing else.

very much looking forward to the new disc.

pull up the people, pull up the poor

deej c'mon there's the same amount of sampling in "paper planes" as there is in, like, every bad boy production from that era that had samples

i.e. "mo money, mo problems" samples the beat AND the hook of "i'm comin out"

and "sunshowers" does the same thing pretty much that "lemonade" does

MIA isnt adding anything remotely on the level of, like, what Ma$e brought to the table on 'feel so good,' its just generic screechy fauxmaican AMUSICAL hollering that is supposed to signify a bunch of trumped up political b.s. that, as loyal young liberals, we're supposed to feel solidarity with ('poor ppl of color, internationally'), without actually having to listen to the stuff that 'poor ppl of color' are listening to.

who are YOU claiming solidarity with, brother man?

MIA isnt adding anything remotely on the level of, like, what Ma$e brought to the table on 'feel so good,'

this is just wrong & a real double standard on deej's part

its just generic screechy fauxmaican AMUSICAL hollering that is supposed to signify a bunch of trumped up political b.s. that, as loyal young liberals, we're supposed to feel solidarity with ('poor ppl of color, internationally'), without actually having to listen to the stuff that 'poor ppl of color' are listening to.

this is obv strawmanning but i think there's likely a lot of truth to it as well

i.e. "mo money, mo problems" samples the beat AND the hook of "i'm comin out"

― J0rdan S., Sunday, May 2, 2010 9:43 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

and "sunshowers" does the same thing pretty much that "lemonade" does

― J0rdan S., Sunday, May 2, 2010 9:46 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

i address exactly this in my post. read again

maybe if MIA would get a biggie verse i would have no problem with it -- this is my point, MIA is not a worthwhile performer over any kind of beat

so you like "paper planes" then?

who are YOU claiming solidarity with, brother man?

― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, May 2, 2010 9:47 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

people who find 1-dimensional 'solidarity' to be corny?

jordan what arent you understanding? if biggie spit over it, i would probably like paper planes. i do like 'straight to hell'

i'm saying that it's bullshit to say that "paper planes" is popular because of the sample of the squeaky noise in the background of a clash song

'the squeaky noise'?? its the entire beat, looped

it's a real stretch to assume we share MIA's politics -- such as they are. She's more interested in lyrical bric-a-brac.

puffy got a lot of shit for 'repurposing' but im pretty consistent w/ liking songs where something was added (i.e. 'mo money') and dissing shit where it wasnt ('ill be missing you'). MIA isnt adding anything remotely on the level of, like, what Ma$e brought to the table on 'feel so good,'

http://pubsecrets.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/screw-ball.jpg

srsly this "something added vs. nothing added" shit is arbitrary and peabrained

yes its arbitrary to suggest that a biggie verse is better than mia yelling things

this is my point, MIA is not a worthwhile performer over any kind of beat

yeah this is my major problem with her. "politics" are only irritating insofar as other ppl like talking about them.

yes its arbitrary to suggest that a biggie verse is better than mia yelling things

― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Sunday, May 2, 2010 9:57 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

right but you're trying to break things down in terms of popularity, not just quality -- if you're gonna say that "paper planes" is a hit because of the clash sample and not because of anything that has to do with mia, then you'd have to say the same thing about "mo money, mo problems"

you can enjoy whatever you like, deej, i'm just mocking your "consistency."

i think that the hook is a huge part of why mo money mo problems is popular. i think the rapping is too. its not an either/or thing per se

you can enjoy whatever you like, deej, i'm just mocking your "consistency."

― da croupier, Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:02 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark

youre doing a poor job of it

i mean i dont care one way or another if you guys love mia, yr gonna dig what you dig, im just expressing what i think is a fairly logically consistent argument about why shes not my cuppa, *plop*

i agree w/ you about her as an MC or w/e -- you're just being really ignorant re: why people like "paper planes"

i mean, if u want to get at me for consistency, you might be able to argue re: that 'toot it and boot it' song i dig in the rolling ringtone thread, where the rapping is total garbage but the chorus has hooked me ... except that ive basically said as much every time ive brought it up. but then im not gonna year end whatever that group's name is' album

this is like when you & whiney get into arguments & you talk about how you know people irl who listen to certain rap & you know why they like it & whatever -- i think if you knew people irl who love "paper planes" (like i do, sadly) you would know that it has very little to do w/ the clash sample

i agree w/ you about her as an MC or w/e -- you're just being really ignorant re: why people like "paper planes"

― J0rdan S., Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:03 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

imo here, but that melodic hook is the bulk of the reason that song is a hit, imo. i know there are people out there who appreciate her persona or whatever, but i think theres a big reason that song was a hit and not her more abrasive stuff

wait, is it officially sad to love "paper planes" now?

i know people who like paper planes bro. i was at a bar the other night playing the buzzards band and this girl was like 'whos this covering MIA???' im just suggesting that its not the people you know who put that song on the charts

for people who don't give lots of pop/rap music the time of day, yes

I couldn't stand the "Paper Planes" beat for a long time (not cause I didn't like the use of the sample, I'd never heard the Clash song previous...I just found the sound of it offputting) and eventually got into it cause I loved her vocals so much.

it's just bananas to suggest you make a point to never like a track that doesn't "add" to the interpolation, that you're consistent about only liking songs that "add" to the original. where's the arbitrary point where you've officially added something (like ma$e) than tossing on so much worthless garnish (like mia)?

xpost the "melodic hook" of paper planes isn't from "straight to hell" either

and even then, im sure your friends like it because of the clash sample as well -- its totally catchy!! its the best part of the song

paper planes paper planes paper planes paper planes paper planes

imo here, but that melodic hook is the bulk of the reason that song is a hit, imo. i know there are people out there who appreciate her persona or whatever, but i think theres a big reason that song was a hit and not her more abrasive stuff

― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:06 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

i mean "paper planes" has its own hook, for one -- not to mention that the beat under the verses has "laffy taffy" drums which makes it v danceable

the "melodic hook" of paper planes isn't from "straight to hell" either

― da croupier, Sunday, May 2, 2010 8:08 PM Bookmark

^^^

"sunshowers" is a different story, but that's not a hit so it really doesn't matter

yeah, the laffy taffy drums are big part of why "Paper Planes" is awesome too

"Sunshowers" is the worst song on Arular imo

t's just bananas to suggest you make a point to never like a track that doesn't "add" to the interpolation, that you're consistent about only liking songs that "add" to the original. where's the arbitrary point where you've officially added something (like ma$e) than tossing on so much worthless garnish (like mia)?

xpost the "melodic hook" of paper planes isn't from "straight to hell" either

― da croupier, Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:08 PM (15 seconds ago) Bookmark

im talking about the melodic hook of the background, not her corny chorus or corny found-sound samples.

and its not 'bananas' to have opinions about songs miccio -- of course this consistency is entirely an internal system, just as your taste is for you. im not claiming some universal truth to my opinions!! its subjective, but yes i happen to think theres a line where i dig artist who i feel are 'adding something' to a sample, and dont dig artists who arent -- im not implying it has to be lyrically lyrical rap -- i like some eryakah badu one-track jacks (and think its goofy when ppl give props to others, like the new amerykah intro where i didnt think she was adding anything)

the catchiest melody in "Paper Planes" is the verses, dude

you're just being an idiot -- "paper planes" relies on the sample as much (and less!) as tons of just blaze/kanye records do

again, you can like whatever you like, deej, but the only thing you're consistent about is thinking that songs you like add something and songs you don't don't.

the "melodic hook" of paper planes isn't from "straight to hell" either

― da croupier, Sunday, May 2, 2010 8:08 PM Bookmark

^^^

― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:10 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

the song has multiple melodic 'hooks' -- im suggesting hers isnt the reason its a huge success, that clash sample once again is super catchy. rev can say whatever he wants about why he likes the song, but i think theres a reason that song was a hit and not, like, pull up the people

i've danced to it a few too many times but i still love 'paper planes' a lot and i'm at pains to figure out what's sad about that

cuz it has a kitschy but memorable chorus and sounds like snap music?

I thought "Paper Planes" was a huge hit because it's very catchy and was marketed very well?

again, you can like whatever you like, deej, but the only thing you're consistent about is thinking that songs you like add something and songs you don't don't.

― da croupier, Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:12 PM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark

thats ... exactly what im saying? im not saying its wrong for you to think her melodies are like totally amazing! i do suspect that **most people** who love 'paper planes' find it harder to get into much of her other shit

i think jordan was talking about like indie ppl loving paper planes. or something.

now i want a samosa.

i think theres a reason that song was a hit and not, like, pull up the people

― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Sunday, May 2, 2010 8:12 PM Bookmark

mebbe because it got used in two popular movies?

I thought "Paper Planes" was a huge hit because it's very catchy and was marketed very well?

― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:13 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark

i dont think anyone arguing this here disagrees with this -- we're arguing over which aspect of the song was 'very catchy' -- i think the sample was doing a lot of the heavy lifting

mebbe because it got used in two popular movies?

― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:14 PM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark

that was the '1% marketing' thing. but my guess would be that if theyd used pull up the people instead, it wouldn't have been as big of a hit

i dont think im being unreasonable or illogical or a screwball here guys -- not sure why this is considered so trolly

i've danced to it a few too many times but i still love 'paper planes' a lot and i'm at pains to figure out what's sad about that

― waka khan (samosa gibreel), Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:13 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

i'm strawmanning college liberals who listen to the decemberists & times new viking

deej usually when people say "this song adds something to the sample and this one doesn't" they DON'T just mean "i like this one and i don't like that one." because those two phrases don't mean the same thing.

Well, it's impossible to isolate the catchiness from its patchwork nature: she's lifted from two or three different sources, which coincides with the miscellaneous agitprop that are her lyrics.

lol i didn't realize even strawman college liberals listen to times new viking

deej i think your main problem is that you're trying to talk about a song that went billboard top 10 and you're ignoring, for instance, the chorus

I thought Titus Andronicus was their thing now.

you're just being an idiot -- "paper planes" relies on the sample as much (and less!) as tons of just blaze/kanye records do

― J0rdan S., Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:12 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

i agree. you're still not understanding the point dude. im arguing why i dont like MIA, not why i dont like sampling or something. im saying that her good songs are a waste of a good beat/hook

i imagine for many people i know it's the line with the gunshots that really sells this song

"fun to shoot along to chorus"

if only she was as musical and hype-free as gucci

It's her vocal that does it for me: sad yet detached.

i agree. you're still not understanding the point dude. im arguing why i dont like MIA, not why i dont like sampling or something. im saying that her good songs are a waste of a good beat/hook

― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:17 PM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark

i'm not talking about why you like things -- you're making valid arguments in that regard that i TOTALLY AGREE WITH -- i'm talking about your assertions re: why OTHER people like "paper planes"

Alf otm

"sad and detached" is why i love cassie so much. sorry derailing.

deej usually when people say "this song adds something to the sample and this one doesn't" they DON'T just mean "i like this one and i don't like that one." because those two phrases don't mean the same thing.

― da croupier, Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:16 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

i agree -- if you think i dont, you're misunderstanding me. im not trying to make universal rules here when i mention 'consistency' -- its not like im setting up some rockist system BEFORE i hear a song -- i listen to a song, i like it or dont, i try to express why. this is exactly what im doing -- why dont i love this MIA single as much as other people do? its got a catchy beat, sampling a song i like, and if it had a good rapper/singer/someone worthwhile over it, id probably like it.

i agree. you're still not understanding the point dude. im arguing why i dont like MIA, not why i dont like sampling or something. im saying that her good songs are a waste of a good beat/hook

― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:17 PM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark

i'm not talking about why you like things -- you're making valid arguments in that regard that i TOTALLY AGREE WITH -- i'm talking about your assertions re: why OTHER people like "paper planes"

― J0rdan S., Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:18 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

ok, you're conflating things.

1. REASONS WHY PAPER PLANS IS POPULAR, IMO
sample does a lot of heavy lifting
its got some other gimmicks (sound efx, snap drums, whatever folks like about it) that different people can lock onto after being pulled in by the sample

2. REASONS I DONT LIKE PAPER PLANES THAT MUCH
i like the sample
the gimmicks dont particularly draw me in, nor do the reasons you guys mention in this thread -- im not impressed by gunshot efx (if anything they put me off on this one), i dont get anything out of 'ringsnap drums' on the track, i dont think her melody is engaging, etc.

i dont think ppl would love the song w/out that sample in teh background, snap drums & gunshot effects or no (in fact, i have some mixtapes with both snap drums and gunshot effects you guys can listen to if you want)

& they also have dude from D4L who is imo a better melodic artist

wait, i'm not the one conflating things

yeah school me on fabo please

im making a point jordan im not trying to 'school you'

deej, it's not that she didn't add anything (seeing as how you just listed a bunch of things she added), you just didn't like what she added. so saying you're "consistent" about only liking songs that add to the sample is at best meaningless, at worst screwball.

its got some other gimmicks (sound efx, snap drums, whatever folks like about it) that different people can lock onto after being pulled in by the sample

okay even if you're gonna try & wiggle out of this by saying that the WHOLE song boils down to the sample & sound efx, you at least have to realize that mia did things like, you know, choosing the sound efx, placing them in the song, putting them into a context ("all i wanna do is *gunshots*), making sure they work in the song etc

basically, a sample alone is not enough to make me like a song, its gotta have other reasons too, and i dont think they're there on this track the way they are on 'feel so good.'

ovbiously, for other ppl, they are

meanwhile, this song's sample is, imo, the main reason other people really like that song. i have different standards for songs than other people do; in this particular case, i dont think MIA is adding enough, and I suspect lots of other people (many of whom didnt hear the original sample) are probably just happy w/ the sample, just as there are people out there who only know the hook to 'mo money'

deej, it's not that she didn't add anything (seeing as how you just listed a bunch of things she added), you just didn't like what she added. so saying you're "consistent" about only liking songs that add to the sample is at best meaningless, at worst screwball.

― da croupier, Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:26 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

do i really have to spell things out like this? when i say "i dont think she added anything" i mean 'i dont think she added anything (i liked)' -- i thought that was implied. im sorry if it was unclear.

i certainly wasnt implying that she doesnt sing on the song, if thats what you mean

wait which part of it is "THE SAMPLE"??? essplain to layman pls

deej, this is cracking me up because i think i used to compare you to MC Serch and this is reminding me of how 3rd Bass made that version of "Pop Goes The Weasel" without the stevie hook so you know their glory didn't depend on it.

do i really have to spell things out like this?

it's more that you don't have to talk about your consistency in regards to only liking things you like at all.

hmm the music video was alright but the 'sabotage' mv better

its about 'reasons i like things' not 'that i like things'

surm, youtube 'straight to hell'

ohhhhhhhh

wow!

i know no-one has picked up on it but i would like to address this post i made and one that followed it which i believe has been deleted, correctly i may add:

thank fuck. he's a dull cunt.

― Times New Excels At (jim in glasgow)

made some overly angry, ad hominem remarks about the banned and unable to retort whiney. no idea where such ire came from or such douchey behaviour to attack someone who couldn't reply. i apologise to anyone who read it.

irl ashamed.

i like "straight to hell" better than "paper planes" at this moment

^^^

straight to hell is awesome and for a while i always wished i was hearing it instead of paper planes when i heard the intro but i've alternated between that opinion and the opposite.

she took part of a classic song, looped it over a dance beat and made sing-song rhymes about thievery over it. what an overhyped amusical thief!

yeah thats my take basically

http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/photos/uncategorized/ironic5.jpg

don't ya think?

not at all, which is why i brought up 'consistency' & i think yr being willfully ignorant

1. i think the song is bad
2. because she isnt bringing much worthwhile to the table
3. the way artists i like do
4. this is consistent with how i approach music generally

right, you're consistent about only liking songs that add something you like to what they sample, which is a rare and admirable trait.

i never claimed it was 'rare or admirable' & in fact said as much when i first posted 'i know this is a challop' or whatever. but excellent work trolling

sorry i trolled your challop

meme

will admit the hype made me unable to hear what's good about her for a while, but i recommend throwing arular on sometime with the bass up when you're not feeling resentful about hipsters getting there first. cuz i know it's not amusical thievery from a braggart that's really keeping you from digging it.

and i mean it took a long while. thought kala was a step in the right direction (owning her artschoolness or whatever) until i went back to arular and realized that's a pretty tight, hookfilled dance record.

do u really think that my interest in rappers is 100% about musical thievery from braggarts. there isnt an aspect of artfulness that enters into the performance? that maybe i find MIA lacking on that level?

i'm not saying it's 100% your interest, i'm saying it's apparently not usually a dealbreaker.

i mean the fact that you threw "without actually having to listen to the stuff that 'poor ppl of color' are listening to" at the end of "generic screechy fauxmaican AMUSICAL hollering that is supposed to signify a bunch of trumped up political b.s. that, as loyal young liberals, we're supposed to feel solidarity with ('poor ppl of color, internationally')" suggests it isn't just that she comes off like an overconfident idiot, but that she doesn't have the RIGHT to come off like one, since she isn't "real."

where personally, once i got over the fact that critics hang on her every underthought word, i realized there's actually quite a bit of artfulness in those beats and hooks.

'authentic' has nothing to do with it -- that sentence is 100% about why i think critics are overrating her. and has nothing to do w/ why she is bad to me personally

and yeah, i basically think theres not much artfulness in those beats and hooks, which is where we disagree obv

(basically i think again u are conflating 'reason deej doesnt like her music' and 'deejs opinion about why other people do')

probably because i also wasn't feeling it when i was spouting the same stuff you are here

ok i may have co-signed GUDNU's first post but i have no idea what all this other shit's about. people think "Paper Planes" has the same drums as "Laffy Taffy"? wtf?

all i know is i don't like her as a vocalist -- as a singer, she sucks, as a rapper, she sucks, as a dancehall-style vocalist, she sucks, even as a genre-busting uncategorizable rebel, she's still just kinda lame imo.

ok i may have co-signed GUDNU's first post but i have no idea what all this other shit's about. people think "Paper Planes" has the same drums as "Laffy Taffy"? wtf?

^^^dog i didnt say this i was quoting rev

or paraphrasing rev

i was using "laffy taffy drums" as a shorthand for saying "snaps are prominently involved in the song, which is why a lot of people find it danceable"

yeah deej i know you didn't say "Laffy Taffy" but 2 people did in a weird matter-of-fact way that made me feel like they actually thought it had drums from that song

I didn't mean they literally came from "Laffy Taffee", just that they were inna similar stylee

yeah i realize that now, but at the time it seemed to be done in the same kind of shorthand with which people were referencing songs actually samples in it like "Straight To Hell" so i was like wahh

people like MIA always make me wonder...what do does she do in her downtime? will she kick back and have a brewski? does she take off her shoes when she goes home? would she say no to a nice bubble bath with lavender scented bath salts?

"liming and drinkin tiger beer with my pet turtel" iirc

kinda feelin for deej on this, tho i like MIA

lol this is so late as to be an irrelevant response, particularly in light of the bitchfest I'm glossing over, but:

as in wrt violence or generally xp?

― nakhchivan, Saturday, May 1, 2010 6:24 PM

Both. The kid getting shot seems shocking mostly because it's a kid and the slo-mo gore explosion wasn't nearly as grisly as I expected it to be based on how it was written up. I thought it told a perfectly fine story with the right mix of misdirection and arbitrariness to allow its message to have the right type of generic impact that allows the so-inclined person to extrapolate its events onto any violent government/terrorist conflict out there.

The fight upthread makes a bunch of assumptions I disagree with, particularly with regards to the definition of musicality; some of M.I.A.'s sloppiness comes from limited vocal talent but at least an equal measure comes from intentional artistic choice (likely informed by the aforementioned limited vocal talent). The way her beats are constructed reeks of magpie reappropriation, sometimes with great effect ("URAQT", "$20", "Paper Planes") and sometimes not ("Jimmy", "Mango Pickle Down River") but I do think the whole is more than the sum of its parts, and I don't actually know what, if any, sources my favorite songs of hers lift from ("Bamboo Banger", "Hombre", "Galang", "XR2", "Bird Flu") so I'm not at all ready to say that that is all she does.

Finally, Ma$e is one of the worst things to ever happen to popular music and if you are using him as a positive example of anything, you are wrong.

Mo M.I.A. Mo Problems

xxxxxxpost.

i actually thought the driving force behind paper planes' success was how it repurposed the lyrics from that wrecks-n-effect song. it was a clever nod to past and present culture.

"Finally, Ma$e is one of the worst things to ever happen to popular music and if you are using him as a positive example of anything, you are wrong."

even if yr being intentionally dramatic this is ridiculous

ma$e was a great pop artist

hes also a good rapper

Kid who gets shot in the video: wkiw

yeah, that kid is awesome

so does anyone know what mia thinks of joanna newsom?

let's ask joni mitchell

Official first single "XXXO":

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00s9wj1

about 25 minutes in.

i actually thought the driving force behind paper planes' success was how it repurposed the lyrics from that wrecks-n-effect song. it was a clever nod to past and present culture.

― Daniel, Esq., Monday, May 3, 2010 2:55 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah i feel like way more people IDed that part of the song than the fact that it looped an instrumental bit from a Clash song that wasn't "Rock The Casbah" or "Should I Stay Or Should I Go"

woah the Chemical Brothers track before this is fricken HOT

oh and btw fucking love "XXXO" after 3 seconds

I feel like her pop/accessibility factor ramps up by a factor of 10 with each album she puts out.

Ha - wasn't she just trashing Lady Gaga in a big interview? This sounds like a Lady Gaga b-side. (I liked "Born Free," though).

repurposed the lyrics from that wrecks-n-effect song

never noticed this tbh

xxxo isn't doing much for me, though the "you want me be somebody who i'm really not" hook is great. with becky in liking born free a lot better, though it's main point was that vegarev = god.

is it available in a format that doesn't include me waiting for a podcast to load and skipping forward to 25 minutes in yet?

yeah, "radio rips" variously available. suspect/hope that the official version will sound a lot better.

(xpost) yes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbKRwnAYPjI&feature=player_embedded#at=60

thanks

lol "hottest record in the world"

this song is more controversial than 'born free'

The intro is killer, but then the rest sounds kind of meh to me. Also slightly bothered than she doesn't seem to be able to catch up with the lyrics, maybe she should have used less "x"s.

the delayed "-oh"s in the second half of the chorus are obv intentional and are good and cool

this is about a million times better than born free though

M.I.A. would probably be disappointed to learn that I like this track so much because it reminds me of Lady Gaga. oof.

why does it remind people of lady gaga? omg it's poppy, wow i forgot lady gaga is the only pop artist out today. the production on this track is what really elevates it in my opinion -- at the very least more interesting than anything redone and rob fusari have done. it actually somewhat pains me to have to make that comparison, really.

ps, i do love that chemical brothers track right before it.

repurposed the lyrics from that wrecks-n-effect song

never noticed this tbh

― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier)

really?

wrecks-n-effect: ALL I WANNA DO IS ZOOM-A-ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM, AND A POOM-POOM, JUST SHAKE YA RUMP
mia: ALL I WANNA DO IS (BOOM!-a-BOOM!-a-BOOM!-a-BOOM!) AND (KKKAAA CHING), AND TAKE YA MONEY

i don't hate mia like most of you but man the twitter and iphone references are just like guuuuhhhhh

yah she also had a more direct rump shaker quote earlier on a bangladesh beat "Hit That"

damn, I forgot about "Hit That". such a banger!

that is barely a wrecks n effect reference. "all i wanna do is" is a reference?

no one claimed ppl were RECOGNIZING the clash sample, quite the opposite; its just a super catchy track

i thought the parallel was obvious the first time i heard the song. maybe i was mistaken, and that wasn't what mia was going for, but it certainly seemed that way to me (and, as i say, that was the most compelling aspect of the song for me).

it's def a reference, when u see she has history there it's undeniable, but whether a large number of ppl responded to it, well no unless there's some huge collective pop culture subconscious out there that got it, which there isn't.

no one claimed ppl were RECOGNIZING the clash sample

OTM, some ppl who did and who previously said lol mia will neva b popular now said oh well that's just cuz of the clash iirc

"xxxo" is really awesome -- hope this is a huge pop hit this summer in the US

it sounds more like annie or something than lady gaga

i think annie should have the first huge US pop hit that sounds just like annie.

both annie and mia are cute tho, so either one can have the hit, i suppose.

yeah, the wrexx-n-efx hook is way more important to its success than the clash sample

no

let's just not talk about this anymore

i had no idea that m.i.a. was in the studio with bangladesh -- they could really do some good stuff together, altho this is a bit too disjointed and stagnant for my tastes

b/w "xxxo" & "space odyssey", i've pretty much loved the two joints off this album not named "born free"

j0rdan, "Hit That" is pre-Kala

can't see something so abrasive being a huge US pop hit

I wish I could listen to this. :(

No sound is killing me

"xxxo" is abrasive?

yeah - harsh tones, angular construction, awkward vocals. it abuts my ears.

get that it's being all smooth & poppy w/in the framework of her sound

not getting how "sounds like annie" and "abrasive" come into play together... other than maybe at the OG "sounds like lady gaga"

who is, of course, all the fuck over US pop radio

i was just listening thru my laptop speakers but it didn't sound that abrasive, will listen on headphones when the cdq leaks

production is pretty abrasive. like, frantically cluttered to the point of abrasion.

yeah, i guess it's not much more abrasive than gaga, but gaga does a better job of making the harshness part of the pop. here the jaggedy bits stick out as obstacles. not criticizing or saying i don't like it - the more i listen the more i do. but i would place no money on this being as big as paper planes. not that i'm any kind of pop psychic.

I can't really get into anything beyond Paper Planes... she had some ultrafuckinggreat-creative-spark and then subsequently lost in on everything she made thereafter.

this isn't really that abrasive... i mean maybe the drums? but i mean, american radio still plays new beats by swizz beatz, so idk

there are like a gazillion pretty distorted synth lines going off every half-second

is it really more abrasive than david guetta beats?

i'd say so. i don't know, what popular abrasive david guetta beats are you thinking of?

every single one -- i find "sexy bitch" to be incredibly loud & off putting

i've often compared listening to david guetta to getting beat in the head w/ a sledgehammer

so xxxo is kind of a jam in spite of her

sexy bitch's chorus has that kinda distorted pinball synth but it's cooled by the minimal arrangement. xxxo is bursting at the seams with different sounds, drums switch up in a lot of jagged, fractured ways. it's not harsh blog house but definitely less palatable than dg. maybe not that much less, though, and i would be thrilled for it to be a hit.

it is pretty bloghouse

don't really get the david guetta comparison. "sexy bitch" is loud, but in a way that's more propulsive & tense than actually abrasive. and i guess there's something harsh about the clanging synth in "i gotta feeling", but it doesn't get in the way of the pop, and there's still plenty of room in the mix. in comparison, "xxxo" is nearly noize. angsty static beats, samples of what sounds like breaking glass, a shrill edge to every element.

i'm not comparing it to "xxxo" -- just saying that i think there are things that i classify as "abrasive" that get played on american radio

i.e. swizz beatz

damn, I forgot about "Hit That". such a banger!

^^^^^ "tap-tap-tap that bed to the wall"!

i had no idea that "paper planes" interpolated anything, clash or wreckx-n-effect, until this thread!

how have you never heard "Rump Shaker"?!

^^^

i have heard "rump shaker", i just never clocked that it was an interpolation!

i haven't heard whatever clash song it is though (neither do i have an interest in doing so)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymfE1MOTXDk

that is barely a wrecks n effect reference. "all i wanna do is" is a reference?

no one claimed ppl were RECOGNIZING the clash sample, quite the opposite; its just a super catchy track

― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, May 10, 2010 10:25 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha dude christ. Daniel already typed both choruses out, it's not like the words "all i wanna do" are the only thing they share in common, it's practically the same chorus with a couple words/sounds swapped out.

"xxxo" is ok on first listen

why the fuck was this thread chosen for the m.i.a. revive anyway? it's pissing me off - there are a million m.i.a. threads, let mia have her space.

blame it on the forks

haha it was annoying me too

I had completely missed the rump shaker reference until some earlier ilm thread. Man, that song is nowhere near as ubiquitous as it was in 199x.

Although I bet more people glommed onto that ref than the Clash sample.

http://www.amazon.com/Xxxo/dp/B003K3YRY4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1273548665&sr=8-1

This is out there in high quality.

'rump shaker' was never ubiq where mia grew up

why is it a big deal that mia uses samples btw? especially when 'rump shaker' is based on two massive effing well-known hooks already for god's sake

I bet Joe Strummer would have been totally cool with MIA using Clash samples, considering how the Clash basically sampled the original New York punk rock of the Ramones to come up with their style.

er no

i mean yeah he would have been cool with her sampling him but otherwise nuh-uh

He would have been all like "Go ahead, it's yours, innit? After all, we nicked our sound from those long-haired yanks..."

"we nicked our sound from those long-haired yanks"

nah

its not a big deal that MIA samples, its just stupid that a bunch of ppl give her credit for something (still not really sure what - 'personality'??) when imo the only reason she had a hit was because of a one-track jack of an obscure song. the idea that her referencing rump shaker so obscurely that half the ppl didnt realize it was rump shaker in this thread suggests that nah it wasnt that big a deal

ive made this point already tho not sure whats so complicated about it. its a catchy-ass beat because of the music it rips from the clash

you're conflating two different things here: people 'give her credit' for having two albums that are critical favorites. That her sole pop hit happens to have a prominent sampled hook doesn't make her much different from a LOT of rappers.

i don't get why people are always talking about run-dmc when their only top ten hit was all about fucking aerosmith

Every US poster who was actively listening to the radio in 1992-1993 who didn't immediately catch the "Rump Shaker" reference needs to pay more attention to, like, EVERYTHING.

Um, as it was pointed out, it was BARELY A REFERENCE. Glancing, at best.

^^ really hope that's just a deej parody

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l3A3ALppN8

you're right, barely a reference

indeed. in fact, i've scrubbed the wrecks n effect line from my memory entirely.

now all i hear is the clash. clash, clash, clash.

Realllllly don't get the "abrasive" line on "xxxo." I'm not sure it's hit material, just hooks-wise or whatever (I also don't think she really gives a shit) but sonically it's not more jarring or irritating than half the stuff on the radio right now.

also the Rump Shaker thing is way more than "all I wanna do is," it's "all I wanna do is VERB VERB VERB and a VERB VERB! blah VERB your VERB!"

you want a NOUN at the end there

what would "to rump" even mean

"Have you rumped today?"

M.I.A. Names LP, Rumps Release Date

So the album's called /\/\/\Y/\ then.

|_ /\/\ /-\ ()

|_ /\/\ |3 () morelike

haha dude christ. Daniel already typed both choruses out, it's not like the words "all i wanna do" are the only thing they share in common, it's practically the same chorus with a couple words/sounds swapped out.

I dunno I guess its cuz the phrase is stretched over the beat differently (and the song is also a much slower bpm, no?) than the Wreckx-n-Effects track that it just never popped out at me. Rump Shaker blurs together with like half a dozen other 90s pop rap hits for me (like N 2 Deep and shit like that)

"Have you rumped today?"

Quoting Scooby-Doo?

XXXRuhRoh

I dunno I guess its cuz the phrase is stretched over the beat differently

uh no it isn't

Some of the words are replaced by gun- and cash register- noises. That's where she tricked me.

I was always too busy thinking of the "take your monaaaaaaaay" line from this degrassi high classic "everybody wants something" by the zit remedys to think about "rump shaker".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nU2zvWsmMk

Every US poster who was actively listening to the radio in 1992-1993 who didn't immediately catch the "Rump Shaker" reference needs to pay more attention to, like, EVERYTHING.

My thoughts exactly.

uh no it isn't

Shake your rump = 3 syllables
Take your money = 4 syllables

you do the math

Don't think I'd have recognised XXXO as an M.I.A. song if I hadn't been told. On first impression I'm not that keen but it's prob catchy enough that I'll love it in a week or so.

That her sole pop hit happens to have a prominent sampled hook doesn't make her much different from a LOT of rappers.

― da croupier, Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:43 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

otm

would 1992 internet have said omg sampling 'blind alley', s0 done already?

probably yes, but the point stands

Shake your rump = 3 syllables
Take your money = 4 syllables

you do the math

hahahahahahahahaha wait, so you are basically saying that having a different ending somehow makes the exact match of rhythmic cadence of the phrases leading up to the point irrelevant?

i think a lot of people are ignoring the REAL issue here (re. zooma-zoom-zoom-zooming in the poom-poom)

I mean, I get it now.

how on earth is the rump shaker reference 'obscure'? that song was fairly big, wasn't it? i don't know nearly as much about music as most of you and certainly did not listen to the radio at that time but i could tell where the chorus was from on first listen -- maybe i didn't remember the name of the artist, but it's clearly recognizable.

lol @ all of u "surely everyone know this ref to 15 year old mega smash rump shaker"

... Pretty much! It's almost as bad as being like "I had no idea that 'My anaconda don't want none unless you got buns, hon!' was a quote."

'My BLAOW BLAOW don't want BLAOW you got CLICK, CHA-CHING!'

maybe it's a sheryl crow reference???

LOL

XXXO is better than that piece of shit that was the first leak. But not much better?

how on earth is the rump shaker reference 'obscure'? that song was fairly big, wasn't it? i don't know nearly as much about music as most of you and certainly did not listen to the radio at that time but i could tell where the chorus was from on first listen -- maybe i didn't remember the name of the artist, but it's clearly recognizable.

― teledyldonix, Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:16 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

it didn't even chart in the UK. not that big a thing.

"hit that" prompted tom br3ihan to make the specific claim in 2007 that "'Rump Shaker' seems to have stuck around in the mass-culture worldmind way more than just about any other random hit I can think of from that era"

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/statusainthood/archives/2007/05/on_the_continui.php

but if u look his evidence is extremely scant and the article seems a face-saving exercise following an incident where he, dude writing about rap for the village voice, appeared to demonstrate that he had not heard Nations of Millions and caught flack around the rap internetz.

"seems to have stuck around in the mass-culture worldmind way more than just about any other random hit I can think of from that era" is always going to be a dumb statement, no matter what its subject. these things always depend on whom you ask. and so maybe just maybe it might be true in america for some people. but where mia grew up, it just isn't true, at all, ever.

ne way what are we even talking about? omg she took an instrumental sample and adapted a vocal hook? truly unprecedented behaviour from a recording artiste.

ftr I did expressly say I was tsking the US posters

DONT TSK ME!!

no diggity was better anyway

taking them to tsk

nothing is better than no diggity

no diggity is better. but it's true that "rump shaker" reached "u can't touch this" levels of ubiquity in socal in the early 90s. i heard that song a bazillion times in middle school. without even trying to hear it.

No Diggity = forever awesome.

Also, if you go to http://neetrecordings.com/blog/ the version of XXXO streaming is apparently the original Blaqstarr produced one. The version released as a single on iTunes etc. has production from Blaqstarr and Rusko and sounds pretty different. Not sure how I feel about the solo Blaqstarr take on it, but you can't find it anywhere else.

haha my first reaction is "oh it's her 'Hollaback Girl'"

personally i was just shooting the breeze abt rump shaker and bringing up three year old rap writer beefs. i don't like XXXO so i don't have much else to talk about.

the deej position on "paper planes" is oddly common & always seems so hilarious to me, like ppl don't like an artist but then having a hit seems to validate the artist for some reason so they have to undermine the validation in some way. as if disliking the artist isn't enough, you have to show that even a hit record doesn't demonstrate any importance "oh it's just the clash". from a rap writer it's esp. odd.

one more thing u could say about the "rump shaker" ref in "paper planes" is that it probably attracted kanye, timbaland, t.i. & jay-z, since rap is pretty sensitive to iterations and refs like that. "culture worldmind" is a bad phrase but something like that obviously exists in hip hop. so it's kind of interesting to have something specific, more than merely a chick saying swagger in a cadence that seemed cool, that may have drawn them to an iteration of their own.

nothing is better than no diggity
No Diggity = forever awesome.

no diggity

I think everyone can agree that "No Diggity" is one of the greatest songs ever recorded.

got to bag it up

I'm pretty sure when "Paper Planes" was getting tons of play on the rap/r&b station in my town, more people hearing it on that station were going "oh, a 'Rump Shaker' reference!" than going "oh, a Clash sample!"

this has been the most tedious discussion ever

ha, i can't actually hear the similarity to "rump shaker" at all. Having previously been familiar with the song and re-listening to it specifically because of this thread.

i think i like the original blaqstarr production way better, but both are still pretty dope

XXXpostOTM

"I'm pretty sure when "Paper Planes" was getting tons of play on the rap/r&b station in my town, more people hearing it on that station were going "oh, a 'Rump Shaker' reference!" than going "oh, a Clash sample!""

I pretty sure most people in your town, my town, everyone's towns didn't give a shit.

http://flyingcart.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/how_rude.jpg

alex sf otm

you guys are blowing my fucking mind here

if a wack rapper drops a song on a hot beat, ill say "nice beat, but the rapping is trash." I think the clash sample is a good one. but the song is not a good one, because MIA is adding basically nothing to it as far as im concerned. her personality is paper-thin, shes a stand-in for a bunch of unconvincing & ham-fisted signifiers.

i totally criticize rappers for this kind of shit all the time!! its mindblowing to me that this far on after we had the discussion this point is still missing you guys

and ive fukkin spun 'rump shaker' while djing before (albeit not in a few years) i think i probably subconsciously recognized it but while im sure lots of people (although apparently not everyone, including dudes keyed into this stuff like shakey) acknowledged it, it doesnt take a barely-there interpolation ("all i wanna do is" -- was that 'soak up the sun' song a rump shaker interpolation too???) to make a song a hit. theres a reason 'galang' from that car commercial that was exposed to half the world & didnt become a hit, while this song did, and its all about the musicality of the sample.

and yo guys -- im not saying "her music is bad because its a one track jack," im even bringing this up as a reaction to ppl who ride her 'popularity' as a confirmation of her doing something vital/relevant. the only reason that most ppl know who she is is a clash sample. same way most ppl only know vanilla ice because of a queen sample

""I'm pretty sure when "Paper Planes" was getting tons of play on the rap/r&b station in my town, more people hearing it on that station were going "oh, a 'Rump Shaker' reference!" than going "oh, a Clash sample!""

and for the last fucking time, i never said it was a hit because people were like "hey i recognize the clash." it was a hit because the sample is CATCHY. i understand that as a music board of critics you guys often have the worst taste on earth & arent keyed into what other human beings enjoy about music but cmon

you do realize that as a matter of course, people (and not just a board full of music critics) like different things about music, even the same pieces of music, yeah?

you are acting as if every non-ilm person who has heard that song is getting the exact same thing out of it, when obviously people are going to have a wide range of reactions

I really have no idea why I'm arguing with the biggest hardhead short of Geir on this board

i dont know why im arguing w/ an MIA stan but here we are

and for what its worth rev i think theres something to be gained from observing why people seem to like some things in big numbers and not others, as long as you acknowledge that the generalizations you are making are just that

but your observation is just conjecture

...based on your own response, which is completely fine if you just hold it out there as your own response to the song, but it gets really stupid when you start projecting it onto everyone else

i dunno i think everyone asserting that this is a hit because she barely quoted 'rump shaker' is being ridiculous & this is a much more defensible position but then i think MIA as a whole is a crock of whatever so i guess i should expect this response in her thread

that said, if miccio mentions that i like rap music one more time as if that means anything, i just dont know

the idea of it having anything to do w/ "rump shaker" is pretty retarded imo, but i think it's equally retarded for you to str8 up ignore the chorus of the song, esp cuz in my experience, that's the part that ppl dig the most