― nebbesh (nebbesh), Thursday, 29 January 2004 13:00 (twenty years ago) link
― tricky disco (disco stu), Thursday, 29 January 2004 14:57 (twenty years ago) link
― k (blue), Thursday, 29 January 2004 15:25 (twenty years ago) link
she must be doing some dates in london too i expect.
― nebbesh (nebbesh), Thursday, 29 January 2004 15:38 (twenty years ago) link
― Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 29 January 2004 15:40 (twenty years ago) link
― Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 29 January 2004 15:41 (twenty years ago) link
― tricky disco (disco stu), Thursday, 29 January 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago) link
― tricky disco (disco stu), Thursday, 29 January 2004 15:46 (twenty years ago) link
― flightsatdusk (flightsatdusk), Thursday, 29 January 2004 15:49 (twenty years ago) link
― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 29 January 2004 15:53 (twenty years ago) link
and i think there's a us punk bank by this name, too
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― tricky disco (disco stu), Thursday, 29 January 2004 15:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 29 January 2004 16:00 (twenty years ago) link
― nebbesh (nebbesh), Thursday, 29 January 2004 16:02 (twenty years ago) link
I've never seen her dj, but judging from her releases I'd wager she'll play on the softer and dreamier side of minimal house.
― Philippe, Thursday, 29 January 2004 16:23 (twenty years ago) link
born free already being discussed somewhere already?read yr. blogs
― forksclovetofu, Friday, 23 April 2010 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link
read yr blogs, ppl
― bamcquern, Friday, 23 April 2010 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link
does the synth just sound like suicide or is it a sample? song's alright.
― LaMonte, Friday, 23 April 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
How much of the new album did Rusko produce? If he did the whole thing, it's likely to be dreadful.
― Matt DC, Friday, 23 April 2010 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link
well this new song doesn't sound like it had anything to do with him, but it's still definitely dreadful
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 23 April 2010 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
someone tells me this new track has was produced by suicide?
― nakhchivan, Friday, 23 April 2010 15:58 (thirteen years ago) link
read yr threads
― imma sb (samosa gibreel), Friday, 23 April 2010 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link
samples suicide defbut did they produce it
― nakhchivan, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link
this is great anyway
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pretty sure it's just a sample. writing credit is her, martin and alan. it's gash, but they'll get some cash so that's great.
― Jamie_ATP, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
it's cash, but they'll get some gash so that's great.
― nakhchivan, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I get that its cool to hear Paper Planes in indie discos nowdays, but can't she go back to the intense buzzy skeletal beats of Arular, they're so much more fun
Also, poor German MIA
― boxedjoy, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
iDig this. Arular is neanderthal MIA and...and that's saying something given her overall aesthetic.
― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Friday, 23 April 2010 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Don't like the lo-fi karaoke thing on her voice in this particular song... I could see how it's supposed to fit with the punk aesthetic of the song but it just sounds like lazy production... hope the rest of the album feels less like a demo.
― Moka, Friday, 23 April 2010 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
And it's a shame because the sample is good.
― Moka, Friday, 23 April 2010 18:52 (thirteen years ago) link
this is pretty weak imo
― emotional radiohead whatever (Jordan), Friday, 23 April 2010 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
iDig this.
you just came sooooo goddamn close to a suggest ban you have no idea
― sausage s4rgent (acoleuthic), Friday, 23 April 2010 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link
ok this is awesome
― http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinky_Blink (The Reverend), Friday, 23 April 2010 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I DONT WANNA TALK ABOUT MONEY CAUSE I GOT IT-GOT IT-got it-got itAND I DONT WANNA TALK ABOUT HOOCHIES CAUSE I BEEN IT-BEEN IT-been it-been it
― http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinky_Blink (The Reverend), Friday, 23 April 2010 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link
lol she has definitely been hanging out with Santigold
― HI DERE, Friday, 23 April 2010 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
she does Santigold better than Santigold does
― http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinky_Blink (The Reverend), Friday, 23 April 2010 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link
the buildup to this is great
― HI DERE, Friday, 23 April 2010 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
between this and the clip of Gorillaz from The Colbert Report, I am very happy I followed a Pitchfork link today
― HI DERE, Friday, 23 April 2010 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link
In 2009, Time magazine placed M.I.A. in the Time 100 list of "World's Most Influential people" for having "global influence across many genres".
― nakhchivan, Friday, 23 April 2010 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
"genre influence across many globes"
― yo gotti or notti (J0rdan S.), Friday, 23 April 2010 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
do we even have entryist pop any more? she ought to be commended for such a leftfield move
collaboration with mika vainio and kk null awaits
― nakhchivan, Friday, 23 April 2010 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Uh... Santigold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MIA.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 23 April 2010 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
ugh son
― The Reverend, Friday, 23 April 2010 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i would buy an album of MIA punk songs
― imma sb (samosa gibreel), Friday, 23 April 2010 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Its modernist punk. It makes me interested. Sounds good.
― Hinklepicker, Friday, 23 April 2010 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Just sounds like bad Atari Teenage Riot. Nothing really new going on here.
― Jamie_ATP, Friday, 23 April 2010 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I love the beat but those vocals sound really half-assed.
― adamj, Friday, 23 April 2010 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Except MIA hasn't done 'bad atari teenage riot' before. Its pop music. Did you expect some sort of Stockhausen experiment? What is new etc, etc...
― Hinklepicker, Friday, 23 April 2010 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link
she had this album called kala that pulled from some great honkies: richman, pixies, clashShe made them her own and made them parts of something great
thought she'd do suicide justice. she did not.
― Fellini.Kuti, Friday, 23 April 2010 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Shit. And here I was just thinking she went and made a song.
So can we get this straight: Is it 'Bad Atari Teenage Riot' or 'Bad Suicide'. Is someone going to say sounds like 'Bad M.I.A?' Prefer these kinds of influences than Beach #**!@$ Boys.
― Hinklepicker, Friday, 23 April 2010 23:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Prefer these kinds of influences than Beach #**!@$ Boys.
word the fuck up
― it ain't trickin if yo gotti (The Reverend), Saturday, 24 April 2010 00:10 (thirteen years ago) link
We don't like this? Cause it sounds pretty darn good to me!!!
― kornrulez6969, Saturday, 24 April 2010 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link
It is kind of zzzz but I love the Suicide sample a lot. Just wish there were more, like, melodies and tones and stuff and not just noise.
― piping hot dish and a cup of chat (Stevie D), Saturday, 24 April 2010 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link
It's the best thing I have heard all day- ahead of my kids persistent whining, the sound of pork frying and a hippy, gypsy Dylan at a park down the road. More melody than all three too.Don't listen to them M.I.A.Keep up the good work.
― Hinklepicker, Saturday, 24 April 2010 04:44 (thirteen years ago) link
i like it fine. but i also like xtrmntr, which is really the first thing it makes me think of.
― women are a bunch of dudes (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 24 April 2010 05:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Santigold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MIA
wait waht? i have that santigold disc. never really registered for me. love MIA, tho, for the beats, hooks and lyrics.
― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 24 April 2010 07:45 (thirteen years ago) link
MIA is so infinately better than santi
― it ain't trickin if yo gotti (The Reverend), Saturday, 24 April 2010 09:59 (thirteen years ago) link
m.i.a. generally is better than santogold but this new song is way worse
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Saturday, 24 April 2010 10:00 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry but no, I have been rocking the fuck out to this all fuckin day, when I have been bumpin gang starr for old times sake
― it ain't trickin if yo gotti (The Reverend), Saturday, 24 April 2010 10:06 (thirteen years ago) link
this is the besssssssssst when u r drunk
― it ain't trickin if yo gotti (The Reverend), Saturday, 24 April 2010 10:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh hey it IS sort of like MIA + XTRMNTR now that you mention it
― piping hot dish and a cup of chat (Stevie D), Saturday, 24 April 2010 13:27 (thirteen years ago) link
This song is pretty great.
― o. nate, Saturday, 24 April 2010 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah I love this. I also like ATR and XTRMNTR and Suicide though.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 24 April 2010 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
i have that santigold disc those MIA discs. never really registered for me. love MIA Santigold, tho, for the beats, hooks and lyrics.
See, this is my experience.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Saturday, 24 April 2010 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
ok wtfff @ this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xD5xjahxac
― fag-amplitude (electricsound), Monday, 26 April 2010 11:00 (thirteen years ago) link
note: not really work or mind safe
― fag-amplitude (electricsound), Monday, 26 April 2010 11:03 (thirteen years ago) link
wow.
― The Reverend, Monday, 26 April 2010 11:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Intense. but I liked it
― van smack, Monday, 26 April 2010 13:32 (thirteen years ago) link
the kind of video senser would have made if they'd had the budget
tbh the music is about on senser's level too
― history mayne, Monday, 26 April 2010 13:36 (thirteen years ago) link
ah that video just makes that suicide sample even more intense.
― borntohula, Monday, 26 April 2010 14:12 (thirteen years ago) link
not feeling the video - there's no reason for it to be 9 minutes long ans for all the viscera there's a pointlessness to the entire concept
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 26 April 2010 14:19 (thirteen years ago) link
expected her to not do something thats so familiar but the songs ok. bit too chemical bros/prodigy ish though. i expect better from her.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 26 April 2010 14:34 (thirteen years ago) link
good video though. and her conceptualism is still there. wonder what the sound of the album will be like.
sort of reminds of the 'windowlicker' vid with the distended length and american setting albeit with the avant-grotesquerie replaced by inane blackly comic quasipolitical challops
― nakhchivan, Monday, 26 April 2010 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link
"this video contains content from UMG. it is no longer available in your country."
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 26 April 2010 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link
what's the title of the song?
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 26 April 2010 14:39 (thirteen years ago) link
"her conceptualism is still there"
what
― history mayne, Monday, 26 April 2010 14:39 (thirteen years ago) link
there ought always to be room in pop music for syncretists/dilettantes with a sense for the right wtf direction, even if u hate it u gotta have respect for her
malcolm mclaren would have wanted it this way
― nakhchivan, Monday, 26 April 2010 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link
what a horribly formed song
― cozen, Monday, 26 April 2010 14:54 (thirteen years ago) link
"what"
i guess youd prefer someone like i dunno, brother ali where everything is 100% accurate/theoretically sound but 100% boring
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 26 April 2010 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link
no i just mean... what do you mean by "conceptualism" here?
― history mayne, Monday, 26 April 2010 15:01 (thirteen years ago) link
hey it's another mia song that would be interesting except for mia's vocals
― call all destroyer, Monday, 26 April 2010 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link
with a video for people who don't know about punishment park
not sure if anyone follow pitchfork on twitter, but she's tweeting there all day and it's possibly the most annoying thing she's ever done. not really sure what she's trying to accomplish by being so kayne/all-caps/obnoxious, when i've seen and heard interviews where she's a very normal, laid back kind of person.
― borntohula, Monday, 26 April 2010 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link
ann powers on twitter: "The #MIA vid works as a repositioning tool. Reaffirmng that old skool revolution is her biz even if bright colors and indie cred distract."
pretty sure "biz" isn't used ironically
― da croupier, Monday, 26 April 2010 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link
generally p retarded tweet
― history mayne, Monday, 26 April 2010 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
MIA's my name, old skool revolution is my game
― da croupier, Monday, 26 April 2010 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
R MY C/LOK KEYS REALLY REALLY REALLLLLLLLLLY OFFENDING U OK ILL TAKE THEM OFF ▖ ▗ ▘ ▙ ▚ ▛ ▜ ▝ ▞ ▟ ▀▖ ▗ ▘ ▙ ▚ ▛ ▜ ▝ ▞ ▟ ▀▁ ▂ ▃ ▆ ▇ █ #miap4k
― ksh, Monday, 26 April 2010 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
web 2.0 at its best
anyone who follows pitchfork on twitter deserves what they get
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 26 April 2010 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
you are the generation that followed pitchfork on twitter
― nabisco infiltrator (J0rdan S.), Monday, 26 April 2010 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
aw man, if I was her I'd follow up reports of being annoyed with tweets all in Wingdings
― LITERALLY FLATTEN HER WITH THE POWER OF YOUR MARRIAGE (HI DERE), Monday, 26 April 2010 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Listening to it again in hi quality and I'm still frustrated at how great the sample is and how it gets ruined by unnecessary echo on the vocals and the lazy production. Her voice sounds way better when it's slightly behind the sound, not in front of it all. Song sounds killer until she torches it down with the vocals... oh well, we'll always have ghostrider...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4KY2n-pZok
― Moka, Monday, 26 April 2010 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link
lol I just learned abt this song from Alex in NYC's blog
― jaymc, Monday, 26 April 2010 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
the vocals on this rox u r all gay
― The Reverend, Monday, 26 April 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
It's kind of funny that everyone here calls me the voice/singing Nazi even though I generally think things like this are awesome
― Marriage, that's where I'm a Viking! (HI DERE), Monday, 26 April 2010 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link
god you are such a nazi
― nabisco infiltrator (J0rdan S.), Monday, 26 April 2010 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
;_;
― Marriage, that's where I'm a Viking! (HI DERE), Monday, 26 April 2010 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
she just sounds kinda bored to me?
― call all destroyer, Monday, 26 April 2010 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I like the song okay and actually really like the video.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 26 April 2010 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
being a singing/voice nazi, that's where you're a viking
― imma sb (samosa gibreel), Monday, 26 April 2010 18:02 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't mind this song, but I hope it isn't representative of what LP3 has in store generally. She seems too good and too canny to drop some kind of disappointing album on us in 2010.
― Davek (davek_00), Monday, 26 April 2010 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link
New tracklist supposedly: http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6691/91802364.jpg
― piscesx, Monday, 26 April 2010 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link
WELCOME !
― ksh, Monday, 26 April 2010 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
http://195.224.149.148/SB/Apple_iMac_1.jpg
― nabisco infiltrator (J0rdan S.), Monday, 26 April 2010 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
30 minutes long!
― piscesx, Monday, 26 April 2010 18:17 (thirteen years ago) link
― nabisco infiltrator (J0rdan S.), Monday, April 26, 2010 1:28 PM (42 minutes ago)
i also follow fred durst.
― borntohula, Monday, 26 April 2010 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link
A STORY TO BE TOLD through word-of-mouse IF UR BORD spead newszak #miap4k
re: that tracklisting, I can totally see her sampling Tequila by Terrorvision and turning it into some sort of uberhip dancefloor filling 2010 equivalent of Paper Planes; except where that was basically just a good sample with some tired sounding samples and annoying vocals, this will be http://991.com/newgallery/Terrorvision-Autographed-Publi-326554.jpg + tired sounding samples and annoying vocals.
― Jamie_ATP, Monday, 26 April 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Sorta tempted to start a poll to decide which former ILM darling is now the most hated. First two obvious inclusions would be MIA and Hold Steady, with possibly a nod to Joanna Newsom.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 26 April 2010 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link
the streets
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 26 April 2010 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I wouldn't want to live in a world where my primary musical association with "Tequila" was with some group called Terrorvision who look like that and not with, you know, the Champs.
― what a tragedy for gingers (The Reverend), Monday, 26 April 2010 18:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Good call, but that one feels even more deserved than some of the others.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 26 April 2010 18:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i was thinking tila, personally
― nabisco infiltrator (J0rdan S.), Monday, 26 April 2010 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the first album of my grandparents I absconded with 3 decades ago was the 'Boots' Randolph "Tequila".
― nori dusted (Sanpaku), Monday, 26 April 2010 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link
its a drink you guys............................................
― max, Monday, 26 April 2010 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
nice to see her giving something BACK to seagrams for a change
― da croupier, Monday, 26 April 2010 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyway, Twitter!
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 April 2010 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
rip suicide
― am0n, Monday, 26 April 2010 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
that video gives me chest pains.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 26 April 2010 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Sorta tempted to start a poll to decide which former ILM darling is now the most hated.
Geir?
― Throwing Muses are reuniting for my next orgasm! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 April 2010 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link
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― mdskltr (blueski), Monday, 26 April 2010 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
It's a few months too late, but MIA was trying to say that she's with Coco.
― Cunga, Monday, 26 April 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Now that I think about it, wasn't there a South Park episode about this?
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 26 April 2010 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link
my first thought was wondering when ginger kid would weigh in re: this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY39fkmqKBM
― eyes without afaik (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 26 April 2010 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
not feeling the video - there's no reason for it to be 9 minutes long ans for all the viscera there's a pointlessness to the entire concept_____________________________It's a few months too late, but MIA was trying to say that she's with Coco.
_____________________________
actually, i think the video fits in well with m.i.a.'s work. it's got that ominous vibe and -- here's the key -- it's vaguely political. i love her lyrics, but you can't really tell where she's coming from with them, other than the fact that she's an "underground revolutionary."
and i wasn't kidding about the video being deeply unsettling (i don't think i really had chest pains over it). but i liked it -- the video played with my point-of-view and challenged my sympathies, all of which is something that good music and videos can do.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 26 April 2010 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
eh the video is p. much one-note provocation that doesn't actually say anything.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 26 April 2010 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
wait americans how did you get it to work? when i cliked this morning it was all "ur in the rong country bro"
― GREAT JOB Mushroom head (gbx), Monday, 26 April 2010 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
and again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punishment_Park
― Cunga
― Moka, Monday, 26 April 2010 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
gbx i watched the vimeo stream posted on p4k
― call all destroyer, Monday, 26 April 2010 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
its like children of men without any of the interesting stuff
― max, Monday, 26 April 2010 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
HIIIIIIIIIII NEET WANTS YOU TO KNOW WEBZINE IS NOW ACTIVE>>> http://neetrecordings.com/blog/home MIA TOUR DATES FOR THE SUMMER XXXO #miap4k
― ksh, Monday, 26 April 2010 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link
that too max
― call all destroyer, Monday, 26 April 2010 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link
there was interesting stuff in children of men?
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 26 April 2010 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
meh. i found this video more interesting than that movie.
hah ok wrapping up now
― call all destroyer, Monday, 26 April 2010 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 26 April 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Monday, April 26, 2010 9:11 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
We did see you point that out earlier, yes.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 26 April 2010 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link
the video played with my point-of-view and challenged my sympathies, all of which is something that good music and videos can do.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, April 26, 2010 10:08 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
rly? i wasn't glued to the screen, but it was kind of saying The Man is bad, although the fact that he was rounding up redheads is kind of quirky. it definitely has a 'punishment park' vibe, and 'punishment park' is didactic, hectoring shit.
― Norway, that's where I'm a viking! (history mayne), Monday, 26 April 2010 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
for the first few seconds when it started, i figured we were seeing soldiers either invading a terrorist cell, or the cradle of a drug empire, or in the middle of a dangerous war zone, and i sympathized with how dangerous a job they have. after that, everything obv. changed. but those first few seconds, paired against the rest of the video were jarring and left an impression on me.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 26 April 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Kudos for spotting the Punishment Park "homage" guys, but you do know that the average MIA fan in 2010 will have absolutely no frame of reference for that movie, right?
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 26 April 2010 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, the redhead thing was strange. i think i spotted mich hucknall among those rounded up.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 26 April 2010 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
o_O
it's by MIA and it's called 'born free' and the army dudes look as sinister as fuck
― Norway, that's where I'm a viking! (history mayne), Monday, 26 April 2010 21:20 (thirteen years ago) link
the average MIA fan in 2010 will have absolutely no frame of reference for that movie, right?
idk, over-educated cinephiles are probably a core part of her audience
you're right that since it's from m.i.a., i should have assumed something like what unfolded.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 26 April 2010 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
would think MIA fans in 2010 are more likely to have heard about or seen Punishment Park than even collegiate music fans in earlier eras, considering no studio would put it out and the film was released on dvd in 2005.
― da croupier, Monday, 26 April 2010 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
it's still pretty obscure, but probably less so now than ever
― da croupier, Monday, 26 April 2010 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah I've never heard of Punishment Park before this thread (not that I am claiming myself as a typical MIA fan)
― Marriage, that's where I'm a Viking! (HI DERE), Monday, 26 April 2010 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean i know what punishment is
and i know what a park is
― max, Monday, 26 April 2010 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah waht is it
― GREAT JOB Mushroom head (gbx), Monday, 26 April 2010 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
lol sorry for bringing up something ppl might not have heard of
― call all destroyer, Monday, 26 April 2010 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a boring movie about cops hunting hippies whose wikipedia page is linked to twice upthread
― da croupier, Monday, 26 April 2010 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link
gotta say, I liked the song better in the video, when it got all dubby and then came back strong. that was cool.
Still wish I hadn't watched it though.
― Fellini.Kuti, Monday, 26 April 2010 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i can't imagine all the publicists now calling pfork and the like to get their shitty indie bands to take over their twitters
― eyes without afaik (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 26 April 2010 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link
ayup, im intentionally not reading any of the twitter posts because i like the idea of MIA that exists in my mind and i want to keep it that way
― imma sb (samosa gibreel), Monday, 26 April 2010 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link
be kind of awesome if this album was total Flowers Of Romance wtfery
― da croupier, Monday, 26 April 2010 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link
yes and no; it would be awesome but I also like my sparkly politically-confused club trax
― Marriage, that's where I'm a Viking! (HI DERE), Monday, 26 April 2010 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link
1000timesyes today @1000timesyes will be taken over by Fang Island! they will be using the hashtag #1000timesfangisland
― nabisco infiltrator (J0rdan S.), Monday, 26 April 2010 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
even better if it was more like second edition, but yes
― nakhchivan, Monday, 26 April 2010 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
then again she completely tricked me with where she was going to go on Kala with "Bird Flu" so basically all we can say for sure is that there will be music and it will have messages in it that are equal parts cogent, indecipherable and reprehensible
― Marriage, that's where I'm a Viking! (HI DERE), Monday, 26 April 2010 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
true nuff
― da croupier, Monday, 26 April 2010 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not very keen on Born Free but the particularly pointed kind of schadenfreude you get on these threads whenever MIA releases something that's any less than storming is totally lame.
― Matt DC, Monday, 26 April 2010 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
the particularly pointed kind of schadenfreude you get on these threads whenever MIA releases something that's any less than storming is totally lame.
otm
― what a tragedy for gingers (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, as much as I like her music, the notion that she could have a twitter feed that wasn't completely obnoxious and ridiculous is kind of amusing.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 03:24 (thirteen years ago) link
real talk
― what a tragedy for gingers (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 03:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I think there would be less schadenfreude if people weren't consistently told by her, lots of her fans and lots of the press that everything she did was revolutionary cutting edge life changing uber-music. Her schtick can be pretty annoying if it's not backed up by really good music.
― Jamie_ATP, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 07:42 (thirteen years ago) link
She is a pop star. For better or for worse she is clearly trying to be very popular or effect popular culture in some way. I like that she prances around, making ridiculous statements, and courting attention. She wants as many people to hear her music as possible. Her music is better, more vital etc... than most of the other dross that is in or near to the charts.
― Hinklepicker, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 08:15 (thirteen years ago) link
oh my fucking god it's that old "pop stars must say stupid shit and look dumb at all times" chestnut again
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 08:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Sorry. I find this model 'stupid shit look dumb' quite entertaining. Certainly makes these boards a whole lot more interesting if a little whiny and self important.
― Hinklepicker, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 08:29 (thirteen years ago) link
CNN story:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Music/04/27/mia.music.video/index.html?hpt=T2
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link
The video's 'disturbing' but rather shallow, I thought.
― Il suffit de ne pas l'envier (Michael White), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link
"If you look at M.I.A.'s life, there is a history of political activism," Pasulka said. "She's the daughter of a revolutionary who fought for an independent state in Sri Lanka, so she is obviously trying to make a political statement."
...
"I would say she out-GaGaed Lady GaGa," Pasulka said. "This has the potential for even more coverage than all of the interest that surrounded 'Telephone.' "
― da croupier, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 21:40 (thirteen years ago) link
love the song, dig the video conceptually but think the execution is weak
― Yonder Mountain Zing Band (Tape Store), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link
(lol, no pun intended)
― Yonder Mountain Zing Band (Tape Store), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link
M.I.A.: Out-GaGaing Lady GaGa in 2010.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 27 April 2010 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Ga(lang)Ga(lang).
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
fuck's sake why are there people taking her "revolutionary" "activism" remotely seriously
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't really mind that she's kind of stupid as long as she comes up with banging hooks like "bamboo banga" or hits upon an observational vein that works like "hussel" but this is ridic
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Love how open that person is about exploiting her "politics."
― Throwing Muses are reuniting for my next orgasm! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe it's empty vaguely rebellious shtick, but she's squawky and it fits with her squawkiness
― imma sb (samosa gibreel), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link
thought at first the video was gonna be like america was no longer merely in the green zone of a hypermegaglobalwar which woulda been a more interesting contention to me, but then the redheads thing feels gimmicky and yeah, shallow. too entrenched already as a facile metaphor for discrimination to have some other meaning here. i guess the state deriving its authority from coercive force is a meaning that remains: that's scary & acquiescing is in tension with being "born free".
― dipset infiltrator (zvookster), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
m.i.a. is passé. pasulka needs to be more forward-thinking: who will out-gaga the woman who out-gaga'ed lady gaga?
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 27 April 2010 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
although the fact that he was rounding up redheads is kind of quirky.
It reminds me of when grade school teachers try to show why the Jim Crow South was unjust by segregating the class into blue eyed and brown eyed students and treating them differently. It's meant to show the arbitrary or absurd nature of discrimination but to most people it's just lol u silly.
― Cunga, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link
it's meant to show the arbitrary or absurd nature of discrimination
is it here tho? i don't see how it can when the obvious parallel to this vid is raids on households in asia & the middle east and wartime atrocities. could it be a comment of some kind on immigration or racial profiling (spheres where the state is a coercive actor)? or just a "quirky" non-idea.
― dipset infiltrator (zvookster), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link
I like the idea and the message behind the video, but the message probably would have gotten through better with a little less graphic violence. A lot of people will never see this because of exaggerated graphicness. And, oh, I guess the gratious nudity early on is alone enough to get it banned from most American channels.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
racial profiling ethnic cleansing
― what a tragedy for gingers (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I like the idea and the message behind the video, but the message probably would have gotten through better with a little less graphic violence.
geir..............otm?
― what a tragedy for gingers (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
http://stevehickey.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/70srapture.jpg
― rapping about space and shit, floatin’ around in an orgy of screen savers (gbx), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
what was "banana skit" about?
― tokyo so icey club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link
bananas?
― what a tragedy for gingers (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
it's fun to say banana
― dipset infiltrator (zvookster), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
true
― what a tragedy for gingers (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i always imagined it was like some dis track against dizzee rascal because of that line in "Fix Up Look Sharp" where he says BANAWNAW all like a British person.
That's a stupid idea, but otherwise it's just inscrutable.
― tokyo so icey club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
lol at that after u being all OCCAMSRAZOR4LIFE on the viking thread
― what a tragedy for gingers (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
doubt mia would find an east londoner saying banana as remarkable as u do
― dipset infiltrator (zvookster), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
EFIL4ROZARSMACCO
― what a tragedy for gingers (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno, she's a west londoner, which is probably like 5 accent zones away
― what a tragedy for gingers (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link
kind of bummed that i keep getting an error msg when i attempt a "vote for your favorite #miap4k tweet" poll
― #miap4ksclovetofu (some dude), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i've admitted that it's probably a very wrong interpretation, but she opens her critically adored first album with a sketch that makes no sense to me
― tokyo so icey club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link
or anyone? did like everyone in their EMP paper that year talk about how great "banana skit" is because everyone understood it but me?
I think the sense in it is mostly
― dipset infiltrator (zvookster), Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:41 PM Bookmark
― what a tragedy for gingers (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
this shit is bananas
― dipset infiltrator (zvookster), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
ha, I think I was privately thinking "T/S 'B-A-N-A-N-A-S' vs 'BA-NA-NAAAH'" in my head all that year
― what a tragedy for gingers (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link
i think there might actually be a thread to that effect somewhere
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 22:59 (thirteen years ago) link
talking of pop stars being "activists", amerie is being super-eloquent and passionate about some new arizonan immigration law on twitter right now. where are the cnn articles lauding her for this.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:00 (thirteen years ago) link
so "banana skit" is an english lesson for refugees in which the practice word is "banana," the fruit so tied to colonialism/imperialism that it spawned the term "banana republic"?
― like a musical album. made by a band. (fucking in the streets), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
english language/american culture as colonizing force
― like a musical album. made by a band. (fucking in the streets), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:03 (thirteen years ago) link
then again, sometimes a banana is just a banana
― like a musical album. made by a band. (fucking in the streets), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link
some of that too but mostly
― what a tragedy for gingers (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link
“I wrote that because when I was at school that was the type of shit that you have to learn first when you’re an immigrant and you get sent to a special school to learn English. And I was always pronouncing everything really badly because the way you say it in Tamil is totally different. I mean, the syllables, the way they come out your mouth is so different: ba-na-na. And that’s how that came about. I just wanted to make quite autobiographical.”
i guess that makes sense? Did all 4000 rock critics who jizzed on the album understand that? Or did they all just blow by the fact that the first 45 seconds of the year's most "important" album kind of made no sense?
― tokyo so icey club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Really would like a run down of how critics in 2005 interpreted "banana skit"
― tokyo so icey club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:07 (thirteen years ago) link
there are racial connotations for the term "banana" re: asians, that's where my mind went with it
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:07 (thirteen years ago) link
why does it have to make sense?
― what a tragedy for gingers (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:08 (thirteen years ago) link
there are racial connotations for the term "banana" re: asians
rly??
― rolling stupid fruity crazy frog (history mayne), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:08 (thirteen years ago) link
yes rly
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Btw. I've heard considerably better songs by MIA. This sounds like Björk about to be strangled by volcano ash.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:11 (thirteen years ago) link
think her own explanation p much covers it... also it's a skit not effing frantz fanon
welp, never heard that, in england
― rolling stupid fruity crazy frog (history mayne), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:11 (thirteen years ago) link
i have to admit this song has been in my head since watching the video.
― Fellini.Kuti, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:12 (thirteen years ago) link
lex: I'd be willing to wage Amerie is a hell of a lot ~smarter~ than Maya, but her politics are coming from an angle to which people are much more accustomed and is hence much less novel.
― what a tragedy for gingers (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:12 (thirteen years ago) link
btw banana/twinkie:asians::oreo:african americans
xp
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:12 (thirteen years ago) link
"it's just one thing that's got her trippin'" would be a good headline tho
― dipset infiltrator (zvookster), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Arular reviews that dont have the word "Banana" in them:
PitchforkStylusAllmusicPopMattersAustin ChronicleGuardianDustedPaste
Like the most critically acclaimed album of the decade and no one mentioned THE OPENING TRACK
― tokyo so icey club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
oh ok. well, mia isn't "asian" as in east asian innit so nah bruv not seeing that.
― rolling stupid fruity crazy frog (history mayne), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
xp you are seriously stressing about some incredibly minor shit
― what a tragedy for gingers (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Christgau did!
Banana Skit" starts the album with her only message: "Get yourself an education."
I'm not stressin. I'm just saying, I had no idea wtf that skit was about and was wondering if the most written-about record of the decade included ppl pretending to know what it meant. And apparently no one dared.
― tokyo so icey club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Sri Lanka is south Asian fyi
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link
fucking in the streets was totally otm re banana skit, gj
― dipset infiltrator (zvookster), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link
but whatever I'll take her word for it. Banana is more of a N. American slang term anyway - which would explain why it occurred to me, but my not have been what she intended
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link
may not
that's why he said sri lanka isn't east asian mo
― dipset infiltrator (zvookster), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
he/she
Shakey, "banana" is like a lost b-side to the album that is racial slurs in america
― tokyo so icey club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:19 (thirteen years ago) link
figured she was kickin it with diplo in the studio and he told her that joke about beethoven's favorite fruit
― second toughest in the internets (another al3x), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 02:59 (thirteen years ago) link
ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring banana phone
― CaptainLorax, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 03:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Any racial connotations with bananas in the UK were/are directed at black people rather than (South) Asians.
It's never crossed my mind before to even think about what the banana skit is about.
― broad layering (onimo), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 08:34 (thirteen years ago) link
I like Born Free but mostly it makes me want to listen to Suicide.
― broad layering (onimo), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 08:36 (thirteen years ago) link
i assumed whiney was being pointlessly facetious by harping on about that skit
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 08:59 (thirteen years ago) link
It's obviously an English lesson you fucking moron.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 09:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, it's rubbish and a bit annoying and I'm willing to bet that most of those critics did exactly what I've done for years and skipped straight through to Pull Up The People after the first couple of listens, but still it's not exactly any great mystery.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 09:12 (thirteen years ago) link
skipped straight through to Pull Up The People after the first couple of listens
can't really imagine doing that tbh
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 10:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I tend to skip skits whatever happens really.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 10:33 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i skip skits 99% of the time too. one of my least favourite type of review is the one where the critic focuses overly on skits/intros/outros.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 10:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I usually only skip skits if they are non-musical
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 10:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I tend to like little musical bits and pieces anyway
and the ones on Arular are kind of perfect imo
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 10:38 (thirteen years ago) link
lol "skip" -- untick moar liek
― rolling stupid fruity crazy frog (history mayne), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 10:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I usually skip "Banana Skit", "Pull Up The People" and "Bucky Done Gun" altogether and play directly from "Fire Fire"/"Sunshowers" (depending on which version of the CD I'm playing); the only reason I skip "Banana Skit" is because it's easier to just start playing from track 4 since I don't really like the first two "real" tracks all that much.
― Marriage, that's where I'm a Viking! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 13:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I only like reviewing skits. I skip the songs.
― gotanynewsstory? (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 13:27 (thirteen years ago) link
there should be Greatest Skits comps
― mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 13:39 (thirteen years ago) link
skits4u http://danteross.com/blogs/jzone/2009/07/13/j-zones-top-8-most-perplexing-hip-hop-skits/
― zappi, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 14:34 (thirteen years ago) link
hah. love that post.
― original bgm, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 14:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I've played "Born Free" about a bazillion times now and I still like it a lot
― Marriage, that's where I'm a Viking! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Only heard it the once but I can summon up the chorus in my head just like that = sign of a good pop song. (Seriously.)
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
― Marriage, that's where I'm a Viking! (HI DERE), Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:18 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― will live out his days in gloomy batchelorhood (Eric H.), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
That J-Zone post is hilarious. Reading ludicrously well-informed hip hop heads cracking wise about ridiculous lyrics/skits is one of my favourite things.
― gotanynewsstory? (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Re: skits, best ever is TLC's Ho Remover off Ooh... On the TLC Tip.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm partial to the madd rapper one on life after death
― original bgm, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 23:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I used to be obsessed with Snoop's Classroom Intro and the one on The Predator about winning the wet T-shirt contest. I suspect 95% of all skits end with either (a) swearing, (b) gunshots or (c) both. There's a comforting routine to them - I don't really demand originality in the skit arena.
― gotanynewsstory? (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 23:11 (thirteen years ago) link
snoop classroom skit took 2nd in my mental rolodex.
― original bgm, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
― will live out his days in gloomy batchelorhood (Eric H.), Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:21 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
yup
― rapping about space and shit, floatin’ around in an orgy of screen savers (gbx), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
okay after actually reading this thread, if whiney going on & on about a fucking skit is what got him pushed off the SB cliff, then it was prob warranted
― ibaka flocka flame (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
WGW was suggest-banned? yikes.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 28 April 2010 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link
GOOD SONG, BTW.
thank fuck. he's a dull cunt.
― Times New Excels At (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 23:23 (thirteen years ago) link
― broad layering (onimo), Wednesday, April 28, 2010 4:36 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 29 April 2010 04:15 (thirteen years ago) link
okay after actually reading this thread, if whiney going on & on about a fucking skit is what got him pushed off the SB cliff, then it was prob warranted― ibaka flocka flame (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:18 PM
― ibaka flocka flame (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:18 PM
i do not get this
― ksh, Thursday, 29 April 2010 04:19 (thirteen years ago) link
he was posting about album reviews from 2005, and getting all pissed off, and no one even cared other than him
― vikings: name your reasons why they are so bad and hated (call all destroyer), Thursday, 29 April 2010 04:20 (thirteen years ago) link
i like whiney but dude really, really needs to take it easy
― vikings: name your reasons why they are so bad and hated (call all destroyer), Thursday, 29 April 2010 04:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i couldnt even figure out what he was mad about
― max, Thursday, 29 April 2010 04:23 (thirteen years ago) link
was he mad that the skit existed or what
i really don't see how that's worse than any of the other antics that go on on our beloved board
― ksh, Thursday, 29 April 2010 04:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i think he was mad that reviewers did not discuss the issues with the skit (whatever they were--i've never heard it) which is basically insane
― vikings: name your reasons why they are so bad and hated (call all destroyer), Thursday, 29 April 2010 04:25 (thirteen years ago) link
ok i just listened to skit in question and i'd just like to say:
― Matt DC, Wednesday, April 28, 2010 5:05 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― vikings: name your reasons why they are so bad and hated (call all destroyer), Thursday, 29 April 2010 04:34 (thirteen years ago) link
if people really SB'd him for that--which, yeah, we don't know--they have really thin skins
― ksh, Thursday, 29 April 2010 04:36 (thirteen years ago) link
banana peel thin
― βΠψ (bnw), Thursday, 29 April 2010 04:39 (thirteen years ago) link
hahahaha
― ksh, Thursday, 29 April 2010 04:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Finally got around to listening to this and it's about as revolutionary as a year-old issue of Maximum Rock & Roll
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 29 April 2010 05:04 (thirteen years ago) link
It reminds of Children of Men crossed with this and cranked to 11:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUhLIjlTNSk
― Sleep, that's where I'm a vicodin! (KMS), Thursday, 29 April 2010 05:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Minus the humor, obviously.
― Sleep, that's where I'm a vicodin! (KMS), Thursday, 29 April 2010 05:28 (thirteen years ago) link
to get back on topic for a minute, mia from germany has a ustream channel w/ a new dj set every week.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ur-wedding
― ☆, Thursday, 29 April 2010 09:33 (thirteen years ago) link
mya (mya harrison) > mia (michaela grobelny) > m.i.a. (maya arulpragalsam) > mia (german indie band)
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 29 April 2010 10:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Lex OFFTM, the mnml German MIA is so dull.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 29 April 2010 12:39 (thirteen years ago) link
untrue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5Ylc5rSEhI
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 29 April 2010 12:41 (thirteen years ago) link
That isn't helping your case. She always seems a bit ploddy and more interested in chilly atmospherics at the expense of a decent groove.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 29 April 2010 13:07 (thirteen years ago) link
she is an ~ice queen~
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 29 April 2010 13:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah but give me an explosion like 'Boyz' or 'Galang' over ice queens any day. And if it's ice queens you want then Chloe >>>>>>>> MIA.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 29 April 2010 13:16 (thirteen years ago) link
and another forthcoming version of Suicide's Ghostrider: http://www.blastfirstpetite.com/ball-friday.html
― StanM, Thursday, 29 April 2010 17:40 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ6_gQ8QGJ0
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 29 April 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
guess soft cell dude really loves that song
I don't see this campaign going well for MIA. Her pop up ads of a running red head exploding and their blood spelling her name? Revolutionary stuff...
― Emily's Cheese, Thursday, 29 April 2010 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
she's actually tapping into ppl's latent hatred of gingers, I think she'll do just fine
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 29 April 2010 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link
it's like the nathan barley graphic of the vietnamese guy being shot in the head
― one of your top-tier posters! (history mayne), Thursday, 29 April 2010 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
what sites are those pop ups on?
― borntohula, Thursday, 29 April 2010 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Her pop up ads of a running red head exploding and their blood spelling her name?
wait waht
― Marriage, that's where I'm a Viking! (HI DERE), Thursday, 29 April 2010 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
http://altreport.hipsterrunoff.com/2010/04/is-m-i-a-s-violent-popup-ad-the-most-annoying-internet-ad-of-all-time.html
― one of your top-tier posters! (history mayne), Thursday, 29 April 2010 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
oh lol, see your first mistake is going to Vice
― Marriage, that's where I'm a Viking! (HI DERE), Thursday, 29 April 2010 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link
dan otm of course
― ibaka flocka flame (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 29 April 2010 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
can someone explain 2 me the difference between hipster runoff & alt report
― ibaka flocka flame (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 29 April 2010 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
just expanding the brand i think
― vikings: name your reasons why they are so bad and hated (call all destroyer), Thursday, 29 April 2010 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
does carles write both sites?
― ibaka flocka flame (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 29 April 2010 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
i think so? but i'm not going to check
― vikings: name your reasons why they are so bad and hated (call all destroyer), Thursday, 29 April 2010 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/UR.jpg
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 29 April 2010 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
More bands should release stand-alone singles that don't end up on the album, and by "more bands" I mean "M.I.A." This would be real effective as just some agit-bomb dropped in advance of a disc that doesn't sound at all like this.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 30 April 2010 02:50 (thirteen years ago) link
is down like your internet connection not on the new album? i liked that.
― phantompenguin, Friday, 30 April 2010 02:55 (thirteen years ago) link
JZ is shitting himself for not being able to do his own Born Free
― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Saturday, 1 May 2010 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link
who is jz?
― the unfinest of viking jokes only (call all destroyer), Saturday, 1 May 2010 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link
jame zmurphy?
― like a musical album. made by a band. (fucking in the streets), Saturday, 1 May 2010 00:33 (thirteen years ago) link
jay z
― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Saturday, 1 May 2010 01:10 (thirteen years ago) link
jeffrey zizmor
― max, Saturday, 1 May 2010 04:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Even MORE ghostrider: blastfirstpetite now has this info as well:
MOGWAI“Ghostrider” – Recording NowPTYT 028Release Date TBC
― StanM, Saturday, 1 May 2010 09:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh. I see.
http://blastfirstpetite.com/epseries.gif
― StanM, Saturday, 1 May 2010 09:41 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/01/article-0-096222CC000005DC-367_468x682.jpg
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1270231/M-I-A-s-controversial-redhead-genocide-music-video-banned-YouTube.html
shd be some blogworthy invective in the hys before long
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 1 May 2010 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Speaking to TMZ.com, he said: 'The video is definitely not for kids - I haven't even seen the full video myself - but, for all the adults and people in different countries who are doing that (killing people) in real life... doing the genocides to whatever - Italians, Africans, wherever it's from, it's still genocide.'
'So it's (the video) showing violence to end violence.'
― max, Saturday, 1 May 2010 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Man, this video wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be given the reactions.
― DUM DUM DUM DUMMMMM! (HI DERE), Saturday, 1 May 2010 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, the violence was so atmospheric that it didn't really read as violence.
― will live out his days in gloomy batchelorhood (Eric H.), Saturday, 1 May 2010 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
as in wrt violence or generally xp?
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 1 May 2010 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link
the video is alright, of course it's kinda stupid but nothing worth hyperventilating over....
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 1 May 2010 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I'll admit it's pretty shallow, but I'm a redhead, tho, so it hit a little closer to home. Made me want to stop this injustice that's being carried out in Los Angeles.
― will live out his days in gloomy batchelorhood (Eric H.), Saturday, 1 May 2010 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i kinda hate mia's music, and all the discussion around her music. i know this is a challop & largely uninteresting, but the noise around her stuff, the amusicality of much of it, the main appeal for so many ppl being lame one-track jacks of like 'sunshowers' and 'straight to hell' -- sorry yall, i dont care for this much at all.
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Sunday, 2 May 2010 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
― jacka husalah terrier (some dude), Sunday, 2 May 2010 18:47 (thirteen years ago) link
nice to see deej say something sane and rational
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 2 May 2010 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
cherish the moment
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 2 May 2010 18:54 (thirteen years ago) link
doesnt cad usually agree w/ me?? man that viking thread is really pissing ppl off
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Sunday, 2 May 2010 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
i remember being in this cafe around '05 & some song was playing -- i think it was like ltrimm or something -- & this dude comes up & asks the chick behind the counter if its MIA. shes like '...no...' not sure what an MIA is, and her boyfriend is there too, big dude in braids & rocawear, and this kid is self-consciously trying to explain to both of them why MIA is worthwhile & it was like such the epitome of this shit to me, not that ppl dont have legit reasons but he just struggled so disappointingly in trying to explain her appeal, like "but like ... the beats ... are really dope...uhhhh"
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Sunday, 2 May 2010 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't usually disagree with you! just a mild zing re: viking thread
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 2 May 2010 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
the video is alright, of course it's kinda stupid but nothing worth hyperventilating over...
I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels that way.
― micheline, Sunday, 2 May 2010 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link
i wonder if MIA made this video before or after Erykah Badu's similarly effective controversy bait
― jacka husalah terrier (some dude), Sunday, 2 May 2010 21:40 (thirteen years ago) link
but the noise around her stuff, the amusicality of much of it, the main appeal for so many ppl being lame one-track jacks of like 'sunshowers' and 'straight to hell' -- sorry yall, i dont care for this much at all.
mia is overrated, but i gotta find it a little ironic to hear hip-hop junkies complaining about hype, "amusicality" and the popularity of "lame one-track jacks"
― da croupier, Sunday, 2 May 2010 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link
ha otm
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 00:12 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't even know what amusicality means really, but i can think of a lot of pretty great things that would register as amusical to some people. but m.i.a. isn't even one of them, you don't get hit singles from being amusical. "born free" is not great, it's just good, but people indicting her wholesale have issues i don't even know how to register. like, yes, she jacks TONS of shit, that's her thing, but if you don't get that HOW she jacks it and repurposes it is really the point -- and if you don't just basically dig her thing, i guess is what i'm saying -- then you're off in some other place that i don't know and can't relate to. i can understand thinking m.i.a. is not great, even though i think she is. i don't understand thinking she's not good.
― women are a bunch of dudes (tipsy mothra), Monday, 3 May 2010 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link
A video that complicated doesn't get set up in a day. I think it was planned several months ago.
Re MIA in general, I'm with deej. I don't like any of her music (I called her first record "Tom Tom Club with a tan" and I stand by that) and I think the hype and general lovefest atmosphere around her every half-assed, fumbling gesture is somewhere between annoying and infuriating.
― Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Monday, 3 May 2010 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link
"Tom Tom Club with a tan"
That's racist! Also Tom Tom Club are great.
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link
As is M.I.A. I like her music.
see when you say half-assed fumbling gesture it makes me wonder
― waka khan (samosa gibreel), Monday, 3 May 2010 01:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Normally I'm as rockist as they come, but she gets my vote for best person making music right now. That Tom Tom Club statement is retarded, in every sense of the word.
― kornrulez6969, Monday, 3 May 2010 01:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I would not want to live in a world that did not have "Genius of Love" in it
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 01:40 (thirteen years ago) link
unperson's statement makes me think of:
marley - absurdly overrated uncle tom. eric clapton with boot polish.
― Marcello Carlin, Friday, May 21, 2004 1:25 AM Bookmark
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I got no problem with Tom Tom Club. But they weren't granted the sociopolitical weight/gravitas MIA is. My point is that she's no more philosophically rigorous than they were, but critics think (or in any case claim) she is because brown skin = instant cred.
― Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Monday, 3 May 2010 01:44 (thirteen years ago) link
shes not tanned she was born that way shes from sri lanka
― max, Monday, 3 May 2010 01:44 (thirteen years ago) link
And I agree w/that opinion of Bob Marley, too, btw.
bob marley is a real person of african descent not a man who has put boot polish on his face
― max, Monday, 3 May 2010 01:45 (thirteen years ago) link
thinking he meant like eric clapton but with shinier boots
― waka khan (samosa gibreel), Monday, 3 May 2010 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link
― Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Sunday, May 2, 2010 6:44 PM Bookmark
So basically what you're saying is that you are a racial essentialist dickbag, which of course we might have suspected after the Curvy Colombian incident. Gotcha.
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:25 (thirteen years ago) link
ha, now that I think of that post, this one:
brown skin = instant cred.
is super-funny in light of it
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:26 (thirteen years ago) link
unperson is right, rock critics really need to stop giving such preferential treatment to brown people
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 02:27 (thirteen years ago) link
true dat
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:27 (thirteen years ago) link
" you don't get hit singles from being amusical. "
no, you get hit singles by using the musicality of the clash & dr. buzzard's savannah band
and actually mlccl0 i think me being a rap fan makes this a more effective criticism -- puffy got a lot of shit for 'repurposing' but im pretty consistent w/ liking songs where something was added (i.e. 'mo money') and dissing shit where it wasnt ('ill be missing you'). MIA isnt adding anything remotely on the level of, like, what Ma$e brought to the table on 'feel so good,' its just generic screechy fauxmaican AMUSICAL hollering that is supposed to signify a bunch of trumped up political b.s. that, as loyal young liberals, we're supposed to feel solidarity with ('poor ppl of color, internationally'), without actually having to listen to the stuff that 'poor ppl of color' are listening to. this isnt an argument that you have to, like, be a huge 50 cent fan or some shit, but i think acknowledging that MIA's "hits" are 99% about the material shes jacking & 0% about her contributions and 1% about effective marketing, theres not really much else to say
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, everyone makes such a big god damn deal about her hit(s?) like shes some major-league pop artist right now. im not sure shes more popular than sean kingston to most rap fans who were feeling 'swagger like us'
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:35 (thirteen years ago) link
obv shell have a much longer career than SK -- the kind of media coverage she gets basically has guaranteed her longevity -- i just remain wholly unimpressed by her music, and by the arguments ppl have made in favor of it
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:36 (thirteen years ago) link
& yeah like al i totally thought of how it seemed like shes trying to one-up badu or something w/ a rather heavy-handed political statement
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:37 (thirteen years ago) link
MIA's "hits" are 99% about the material shes jacking & 0% about her contributions and 1% about effective marketing
i felt this about jimmy from the last album, but nothing else.
very much looking forward to the new disc.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 3 May 2010 02:38 (thirteen years ago) link
pull up the people, pull up the poor
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:41 (thirteen years ago) link
deej c'mon there's the same amount of sampling in "paper planes" as there is in, like, every bad boy production from that era that had samples
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 02:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i.e. "mo money, mo problems" samples the beat AND the hook of "i'm comin out"
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 02:43 (thirteen years ago) link
and "sunshowers" does the same thing pretty much that "lemonade" does
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 02:46 (thirteen years ago) link
MIA isnt adding anything remotely on the level of, like, what Ma$e brought to the table on 'feel so good,' its just generic screechy fauxmaican AMUSICAL hollering that is supposed to signify a bunch of trumped up political b.s. that, as loyal young liberals, we're supposed to feel solidarity with ('poor ppl of color, internationally'), without actually having to listen to the stuff that 'poor ppl of color' are listening to.
who are YOU claiming solidarity with, brother man?
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:47 (thirteen years ago) link
MIA isnt adding anything remotely on the level of, like, what Ma$e brought to the table on 'feel so good,'
this is just wrong & a real double standard on deej's part
its just generic screechy fauxmaican AMUSICAL hollering that is supposed to signify a bunch of trumped up political b.s. that, as loyal young liberals, we're supposed to feel solidarity with ('poor ppl of color, internationally'), without actually having to listen to the stuff that 'poor ppl of color' are listening to.
this is obv strawmanning but i think there's likely a lot of truth to it as well
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 02:50 (thirteen years ago) link
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― J0rdan S., Sunday, May 2, 2010 9:46 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
i address exactly this in my post. read again
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe if MIA would get a biggie verse i would have no problem with it -- this is my point, MIA is not a worthwhile performer over any kind of beat
so you like "paper planes" then?
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 02:53 (thirteen years ago) link
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, May 2, 2010 9:47 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
people who find 1-dimensional 'solidarity' to be corny?
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:53 (thirteen years ago) link
jordan what arent you understanding? if biggie spit over it, i would probably like paper planes. i do like 'straight to hell'
i'm saying that it's bullshit to say that "paper planes" is popular because of the sample of the squeaky noise in the background of a clash song
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 02:54 (thirteen years ago) link
'the squeaky noise'?? its the entire beat, looped
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:55 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a real stretch to assume we share MIA's politics -- such as they are. She's more interested in lyrical bric-a-brac.
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:55 (thirteen years ago) link
puffy got a lot of shit for 'repurposing' but im pretty consistent w/ liking songs where something was added (i.e. 'mo money') and dissing shit where it wasnt ('ill be missing you'). MIA isnt adding anything remotely on the level of, like, what Ma$e brought to the table on 'feel so good,'
http://pubsecrets.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/screw-ball.jpg
― da croupier, Monday, 3 May 2010 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link
srsly this "something added vs. nothing added" shit is arbitrary and peabrained
yes its arbitrary to suggest that a biggie verse is better than mia yelling things
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:57 (thirteen years ago) link
this is my point, MIA is not a worthwhile performer over any kind of beat
yeah this is my major problem with her. "politics" are only irritating insofar as other ppl like talking about them.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 3 May 2010 02:58 (thirteen years ago) link
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Sunday, May 2, 2010 9:57 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
right but you're trying to break things down in terms of popularity, not just quality -- if you're gonna say that "paper planes" is a hit because of the clash sample and not because of anything that has to do with mia, then you'd have to say the same thing about "mo money, mo problems"
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:00 (thirteen years ago) link
you can enjoy whatever you like, deej, i'm just mocking your "consistency."
― da croupier, Monday, 3 May 2010 03:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i think that the hook is a huge part of why mo money mo problems is popular. i think the rapping is too. its not an either/or thing per se
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:02 (thirteen years ago) link
― da croupier, Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:02 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark
youre doing a poor job of it
i mean i dont care one way or another if you guys love mia, yr gonna dig what you dig, im just expressing what i think is a fairly logically consistent argument about why shes not my cuppa, *plop*
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link
i agree w/ you about her as an MC or w/e -- you're just being really ignorant re: why people like "paper planes"
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, if u want to get at me for consistency, you might be able to argue re: that 'toot it and boot it' song i dig in the rolling ringtone thread, where the rapping is total garbage but the chorus has hooked me ... except that ive basically said as much every time ive brought it up. but then im not gonna year end whatever that group's name is' album
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link
this is like when you & whiney get into arguments & you talk about how you know people irl who listen to certain rap & you know why they like it & whatever -- i think if you knew people irl who love "paper planes" (like i do, sadly) you would know that it has very little to do w/ the clash sample
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:06 (thirteen years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:03 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
imo here, but that melodic hook is the bulk of the reason that song is a hit, imo. i know there are people out there who appreciate her persona or whatever, but i think theres a big reason that song was a hit and not her more abrasive stuff
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:06 (thirteen years ago) link
wait, is it officially sad to love "paper planes" now?
― la senora (surm), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:06 (thirteen years ago) link
i know people who like paper planes bro. i was at a bar the other night playing the buzzards band and this girl was like 'whos this covering MIA???' im just suggesting that its not the people you know who put that song on the charts
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:07 (thirteen years ago) link
for people who don't give lots of pop/rap music the time of day, yes
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I couldn't stand the "Paper Planes" beat for a long time (not cause I didn't like the use of the sample, I'd never heard the Clash song previous...I just found the sound of it offputting) and eventually got into it cause I loved her vocals so much.
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:07 (thirteen years ago) link
it's just bananas to suggest you make a point to never like a track that doesn't "add" to the interpolation, that you're consistent about only liking songs that "add" to the original. where's the arbitrary point where you've officially added something (like ma$e) than tossing on so much worthless garnish (like mia)?
xpost the "melodic hook" of paper planes isn't from "straight to hell" either
― da croupier, Monday, 3 May 2010 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link
and even then, im sure your friends like it because of the clash sample as well -- its totally catchy!! its the best part of the song
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link
paper planes paper planes paper planes paper planes paper planes
― la senora (surm), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:06 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
i mean "paper planes" has its own hook, for one -- not to mention that the beat under the verses has "laffy taffy" drums which makes it v danceable
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:09 (thirteen years ago) link
the "melodic hook" of paper planes isn't from "straight to hell" either
― da croupier, Sunday, May 2, 2010 8:08 PM Bookmark
^^^
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link
"sunshowers" is a different story, but that's not a hit so it really doesn't matter
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, the laffy taffy drums are big part of why "Paper Planes" is awesome too
"Sunshowers" is the worst song on Arular imo
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:11 (thirteen years ago) link
t's just bananas to suggest you make a point to never like a track that doesn't "add" to the interpolation, that you're consistent about only liking songs that "add" to the original. where's the arbitrary point where you've officially added something (like ma$e) than tossing on so much worthless garnish (like mia)?
― da croupier, Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:08 PM (15 seconds ago) Bookmark
im talking about the melodic hook of the background, not her corny chorus or corny found-sound samples.
and its not 'bananas' to have opinions about songs miccio -- of course this consistency is entirely an internal system, just as your taste is for you. im not claiming some universal truth to my opinions!! its subjective, but yes i happen to think theres a line where i dig artist who i feel are 'adding something' to a sample, and dont dig artists who arent -- im not implying it has to be lyrically lyrical rap -- i like some eryakah badu one-track jacks (and think its goofy when ppl give props to others, like the new amerykah intro where i didnt think she was adding anything)
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:11 (thirteen years ago) link
the catchiest melody in "Paper Planes" is the verses, dude
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link
you're just being an idiot -- "paper planes" relies on the sample as much (and less!) as tons of just blaze/kanye records do
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link
again, you can like whatever you like, deej, but the only thing you're consistent about is thinking that songs you like add something and songs you don't don't.
― da croupier, Monday, 3 May 2010 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:10 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
the song has multiple melodic 'hooks' -- im suggesting hers isnt the reason its a huge success, that clash sample once again is super catchy. rev can say whatever he wants about why he likes the song, but i think theres a reason that song was a hit and not, like, pull up the people
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link
i've danced to it a few too many times but i still love 'paper planes' a lot and i'm at pains to figure out what's sad about that
― waka khan (samosa gibreel), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
cuz it has a kitschy but memorable chorus and sounds like snap music?
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought "Paper Planes" was a huge hit because it's very catchy and was marketed very well?
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
― da croupier, Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:12 PM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark
thats ... exactly what im saying? im not saying its wrong for you to think her melodies are like totally amazing! i do suspect that **most people** who love 'paper planes' find it harder to get into much of her other shit
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i think jordan was talking about like indie ppl loving paper planes. or something.
now i want a samosa.
― la senora (surm), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:14 (thirteen years ago) link
i think theres a reason that song was a hit and not, like, pull up the people
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Sunday, May 2, 2010 8:12 PM Bookmark
mebbe because it got used in two popular movies?
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:14 (thirteen years ago) link
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:13 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark
i dont think anyone arguing this here disagrees with this -- we're arguing over which aspect of the song was 'very catchy' -- i think the sample was doing a lot of the heavy lifting
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:14 (thirteen years ago) link
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:14 PM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark
that was the '1% marketing' thing. but my guess would be that if theyd used pull up the people instead, it wouldn't have been as big of a hit
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:15 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont think im being unreasonable or illogical or a screwball here guys -- not sure why this is considered so trolly
― waka khan (samosa gibreel), Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:13 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
i'm strawmanning college liberals who listen to the decemberists & times new viking
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:15 (thirteen years ago) link
deej usually when people say "this song adds something to the sample and this one doesn't" they DON'T just mean "i like this one and i don't like that one." because those two phrases don't mean the same thing.
― da croupier, Monday, 3 May 2010 03:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, it's impossible to isolate the catchiness from its patchwork nature: she's lifted from two or three different sources, which coincides with the miscellaneous agitprop that are her lyrics.
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:16 (thirteen years ago) link
lol i didn't realize even strawman college liberals listen to times new viking
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:16 (thirteen years ago) link
deej i think your main problem is that you're trying to talk about a song that went billboard top 10 and you're ignoring, for instance, the chorus
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought Titus Andronicus was their thing now.
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:12 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
i agree. you're still not understanding the point dude. im arguing why i dont like MIA, not why i dont like sampling or something. im saying that her good songs are a waste of a good beat/hook
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
i imagine for many people i know it's the line with the gunshots that really sells this song
― waka khan (samosa gibreel), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
"fun to shoot along to chorus"
― waka khan (samosa gibreel), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:18 (thirteen years ago) link
if only she was as musical and hype-free as gucci
― da croupier, Monday, 3 May 2010 03:18 (thirteen years ago) link
It's her vocal that does it for me: sad yet detached.
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:18 (thirteen years ago) link
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:17 PM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark
i'm not talking about why you like things -- you're making valid arguments in that regard that i TOTALLY AGREE WITH -- i'm talking about your assertions re: why OTHER people like "paper planes"
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Alf otm
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link
"sad and detached" is why i love cassie so much. sorry derailing.
― la senora (surm), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link
― da croupier, Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:16 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
i agree -- if you think i dont, you're misunderstanding me. im not trying to make universal rules here when i mention 'consistency' -- its not like im setting up some rockist system BEFORE i hear a song -- i listen to a song, i like it or dont, i try to express why. this is exactly what im doing -- why dont i love this MIA single as much as other people do? its got a catchy beat, sampling a song i like, and if it had a good rapper/singer/someone worthwhile over it, id probably like it.
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:20 (thirteen years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:18 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
ok, you're conflating things.
1. REASONS WHY PAPER PLANS IS POPULAR, IMOsample does a lot of heavy liftingits got some other gimmicks (sound efx, snap drums, whatever folks like about it) that different people can lock onto after being pulled in by the sample
2. REASONS I DONT LIKE PAPER PLANES THAT MUCHi like the samplethe gimmicks dont particularly draw me in, nor do the reasons you guys mention in this thread -- im not impressed by gunshot efx (if anything they put me off on this one), i dont get anything out of 'ringsnap drums' on the track, i dont think her melody is engaging, etc.
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont think ppl would love the song w/out that sample in teh background, snap drums & gunshot effects or no (in fact, i have some mixtapes with both snap drums and gunshot effects you guys can listen to if you want)
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:24 (thirteen years ago) link
& they also have dude from D4L who is imo a better melodic artist
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:25 (thirteen years ago) link
wait, i'm not the one conflating things
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:25 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah school me on fabo please
im making a point jordan im not trying to 'school you'
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:26 (thirteen years ago) link
deej, it's not that she didn't add anything (seeing as how you just listed a bunch of things she added), you just didn't like what she added. so saying you're "consistent" about only liking songs that add to the sample is at best meaningless, at worst screwball.
― da croupier, Monday, 3 May 2010 03:26 (thirteen years ago) link
its got some other gimmicks (sound efx, snap drums, whatever folks like about it) that different people can lock onto after being pulled in by the sample
okay even if you're gonna try & wiggle out of this by saying that the WHOLE song boils down to the sample & sound efx, you at least have to realize that mia did things like, you know, choosing the sound efx, placing them in the song, putting them into a context ("all i wanna do is *gunshots*), making sure they work in the song etc
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:27 (thirteen years ago) link
basically, a sample alone is not enough to make me like a song, its gotta have other reasons too, and i dont think they're there on this track the way they are on 'feel so good.'
ovbiously, for other ppl, they are
meanwhile, this song's sample is, imo, the main reason other people really like that song. i have different standards for songs than other people do; in this particular case, i dont think MIA is adding enough, and I suspect lots of other people (many of whom didnt hear the original sample) are probably just happy w/ the sample, just as there are people out there who only know the hook to 'mo money'
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:28 (thirteen years ago) link
― da croupier, Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:26 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
do i really have to spell things out like this? when i say "i dont think she added anything" i mean 'i dont think she added anything (i liked)' -- i thought that was implied. im sorry if it was unclear.
i certainly wasnt implying that she doesnt sing on the song, if thats what you mean
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:29 (thirteen years ago) link
wait which part of it is "THE SAMPLE"??? essplain to layman pls
― la senora (surm), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:29 (thirteen years ago) link
deej, this is cracking me up because i think i used to compare you to MC Serch and this is reminding me of how 3rd Bass made that version of "Pop Goes The Weasel" without the stevie hook so you know their glory didn't depend on it.
― da croupier, Monday, 3 May 2010 03:30 (thirteen years ago) link
do i really have to spell things out like this?
it's more that you don't have to talk about your consistency in regards to only liking things you like at all.
hmm the music video was alright but the 'sabotage' mv better
― going non-native (dyao), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:35 (thirteen years ago) link
its about 'reasons i like things' not 'that i like things'
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:35 (thirteen years ago) link
surm, youtube 'straight to hell'
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:36 (thirteen years ago) link
ohhhhhhhh
― la senora (surm), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:36 (thirteen years ago) link
wow!
― la senora (surm), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i know no-one has picked up on it but i would like to address this post i made and one that followed it which i believe has been deleted, correctly i may add:
― Times New Excels At (jim in glasgow)
made some overly angry, ad hominem remarks about the banned and unable to retort whiney. no idea where such ire came from or such douchey behaviour to attack someone who couldn't reply. i apologise to anyone who read it.
― Times New Excels At (jim in glasgow), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:37 (thirteen years ago) link
irl ashamed.
― Times New Excels At (jim in glasgow), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i like "straight to hell" better than "paper planes" at this moment
― la senora (surm), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:38 (thirteen years ago) link
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link
straight to hell is awesome and for a while i always wished i was hearing it instead of paper planes when i heard the intro but i've alternated between that opinion and the opposite.
― Times New Excels At (jim in glasgow), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:40 (thirteen years ago) link
she took part of a classic song, looped it over a dance beat and made sing-song rhymes about thievery over it. what an overhyped amusical thief!
― da croupier, Monday, 3 May 2010 03:42 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah thats my take basically
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:43 (thirteen years ago) link
http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/photos/uncategorized/ironic5.jpg
don't ya think?
― da croupier, Monday, 3 May 2010 03:44 (thirteen years ago) link
not at all, which is why i brought up 'consistency' & i think yr being willfully ignorant
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:45 (thirteen years ago) link
1. i think the song is bad2. because she isnt bringing much worthwhile to the table3. the way artists i like do4. this is consistent with how i approach music generally
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:46 (thirteen years ago) link
right, you're consistent about only liking songs that add something you like to what they sample, which is a rare and admirable trait.
― da croupier, Monday, 3 May 2010 03:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i never claimed it was 'rare or admirable' & in fact said as much when i first posted 'i know this is a challop' or whatever. but excellent work trolling
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:47 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry i trolled your challop
― da croupier, Monday, 3 May 2010 03:48 (thirteen years ago) link
meme
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:48 (thirteen years ago) link
will admit the hype made me unable to hear what's good about her for a while, but i recommend throwing arular on sometime with the bass up when you're not feeling resentful about hipsters getting there first. cuz i know it's not amusical thievery from a braggart that's really keeping you from digging it.
― da croupier, Monday, 3 May 2010 04:06 (thirteen years ago) link
and i mean it took a long while. thought kala was a step in the right direction (owning her artschoolness or whatever) until i went back to arular and realized that's a pretty tight, hookfilled dance record.
― da croupier, Monday, 3 May 2010 04:08 (thirteen years ago) link
do u really think that my interest in rappers is 100% about musical thievery from braggarts. there isnt an aspect of artfulness that enters into the performance? that maybe i find MIA lacking on that level?
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 04:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm not saying it's 100% your interest, i'm saying it's apparently not usually a dealbreaker.
i mean the fact that you threw "without actually having to listen to the stuff that 'poor ppl of color' are listening to" at the end of "generic screechy fauxmaican AMUSICAL hollering that is supposed to signify a bunch of trumped up political b.s. that, as loyal young liberals, we're supposed to feel solidarity with ('poor ppl of color, internationally')" suggests it isn't just that she comes off like an overconfident idiot, but that she doesn't have the RIGHT to come off like one, since she isn't "real."
― da croupier, Monday, 3 May 2010 04:16 (thirteen years ago) link
where personally, once i got over the fact that critics hang on her every underthought word, i realized there's actually quite a bit of artfulness in those beats and hooks.
― da croupier, Monday, 3 May 2010 04:18 (thirteen years ago) link
'authentic' has nothing to do with it -- that sentence is 100% about why i think critics are overrating her. and has nothing to do w/ why she is bad to me personally
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 04:19 (thirteen years ago) link
and yeah, i basically think theres not much artfulness in those beats and hooks, which is where we disagree obv
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 04:20 (thirteen years ago) link
(basically i think again u are conflating 'reason deej doesnt like her music' and 'deejs opinion about why other people do')
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 04:21 (thirteen years ago) link
probably because i also wasn't feeling it when i was spouting the same stuff you are here
― da croupier, Monday, 3 May 2010 04:23 (thirteen years ago) link
ok i may have co-signed GUDNU's first post but i have no idea what all this other shit's about. people think "Paper Planes" has the same drums as "Laffy Taffy"? wtf?
all i know is i don't like her as a vocalist -- as a singer, she sucks, as a rapper, she sucks, as a dancehall-style vocalist, she sucks, even as a genre-busting uncategorizable rebel, she's still just kinda lame imo.
― jacka husalah terrier (some dude), Monday, 3 May 2010 05:49 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^dog i didnt say this i was quoting rev
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 05:50 (thirteen years ago) link
or paraphrasing rev
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 05:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i was using "laffy taffy drums" as a shorthand for saying "snaps are prominently involved in the song, which is why a lot of people find it danceable"
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 05:52 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah deej i know you didn't say "Laffy Taffy" but 2 people did in a weird matter-of-fact way that made me feel like they actually thought it had drums from that song
― jacka husalah terrier (some dude), Monday, 3 May 2010 05:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I didn't mean they literally came from "Laffy Taffee", just that they were inna similar stylee
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 06:32 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i realize that now, but at the time it seemed to be done in the same kind of shorthand with which people were referencing songs actually samples in it like "Straight To Hell" so i was like wahh
― jacka husalah terrier (some dude), Monday, 3 May 2010 06:48 (thirteen years ago) link
people like MIA always make me wonder...what do does she do in her downtime? will she kick back and have a brewski? does she take off her shoes when she goes home? would she say no to a nice bubble bath with lavender scented bath salts?
― going non-native (dyao), Monday, 3 May 2010 13:08 (thirteen years ago) link
"liming and drinkin tiger beer with my pet turtel" iirc
― the subject of many paedo's thoughts (history mayne), Monday, 3 May 2010 13:10 (thirteen years ago) link
kinda feelin for deej on this, tho i like MIA
― plax (ico), Monday, 3 May 2010 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link
lol this is so late as to be an irrelevant response, particularly in light of the bitchfest I'm glossing over, but:
― nakhchivan, Saturday, May 1, 2010 6:24 PM
Both. The kid getting shot seems shocking mostly because it's a kid and the slo-mo gore explosion wasn't nearly as grisly as I expected it to be based on how it was written up. I thought it told a perfectly fine story with the right mix of misdirection and arbitrariness to allow its message to have the right type of generic impact that allows the so-inclined person to extrapolate its events onto any violent government/terrorist conflict out there.
The fight upthread makes a bunch of assumptions I disagree with, particularly with regards to the definition of musicality; some of M.I.A.'s sloppiness comes from limited vocal talent but at least an equal measure comes from intentional artistic choice (likely informed by the aforementioned limited vocal talent). The way her beats are constructed reeks of magpie reappropriation, sometimes with great effect ("URAQT", "$20", "Paper Planes") and sometimes not ("Jimmy", "Mango Pickle Down River") but I do think the whole is more than the sum of its parts, and I don't actually know what, if any, sources my favorite songs of hers lift from ("Bamboo Banger", "Hombre", "Galang", "XR2", "Bird Flu") so I'm not at all ready to say that that is all she does.
Finally, Ma$e is one of the worst things to ever happen to popular music and if you are using him as a positive example of anything, you are wrong.
― DUM DUM DUM DUMMMMM! (HI DERE), Monday, 3 May 2010 18:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Mo M.I.A. Mo Problems
― ksh, Monday, 3 May 2010 18:37 (thirteen years ago) link
xxxxxxpost.
i actually thought the driving force behind paper planes' success was how it repurposed the lyrics from that wrecks-n-effect song. it was a clever nod to past and present culture.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 3 May 2010 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link
"Finally, Ma$e is one of the worst things to ever happen to popular music and if you are using him as a positive example of anything, you are wrong."
even if yr being intentionally dramatic this is ridiculous
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 03:24 (thirteen years ago) link
ma$e was a great pop artist
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 4 May 2010 03:26 (thirteen years ago) link
hes also a good rapper
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 03:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Kid who gets shot in the video: wkiw
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, that kid is awesome
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Monday, 10 May 2010 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
so does anyone know what mia thinks of joanna newsom?
― call all destroyer, Monday, 10 May 2010 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
let's ask joni mitchell
― i fake it so real, i am beyonce (surm), Monday, 10 May 2010 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Official first single "XXXO":
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00s9wj1
about 25 minutes in.
― nevermind312, Monday, 10 May 2010 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, May 3, 2010 2:55 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah i feel like way more people IDed that part of the song than the fact that it looped an instrumental bit from a Clash song that wasn't "Rock The Casbah" or "Should I Stay Or Should I Go"
― cozen frustard (some dude), Monday, 10 May 2010 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
woah the Chemical Brothers track before this is fricken HOT
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Monday, 10 May 2010 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
oh and btw fucking love "XXXO" after 3 seconds
I feel like her pop/accessibility factor ramps up by a factor of 10 with each album she puts out.
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Monday, 10 May 2010 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha - wasn't she just trashing Lady Gaga in a big interview? This sounds like a Lady Gaga b-side. (I liked "Born Free," though).
― Becky Facelift, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
repurposed the lyrics from that wrecks-n-effect song
never noticed this tbh
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
xxxo isn't doing much for me, though the "you want me be somebody who i'm really not" hook is great. with becky in liking born free a lot better, though it's main point was that vegarev = god.
― contenderizer, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link
is it available in a format that doesn't include me waiting for a podcast to load and skipping forward to 25 minutes in yet?
― samosa gibreel, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:59 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, "radio rips" variously available. suspect/hope that the official version will sound a lot better.
― contenderizer, Monday, 10 May 2010 23:03 (thirteen years ago) link
(xpost) yes:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbKRwnAYPjI&feature=player_embedded#at=60
― the subject of many men’s thoughts (daavid), Monday, 10 May 2010 23:05 (thirteen years ago) link
thanks
― samosa gibreel, Monday, 10 May 2010 23:05 (thirteen years ago) link
lol "hottest record in the world"
― samosa gibreel, Monday, 10 May 2010 23:06 (thirteen years ago) link
this song is more controversial than 'born free'
― samosa gibreel, Monday, 10 May 2010 23:07 (thirteen years ago) link
The intro is killer, but then the rest sounds kind of meh to me. Also slightly bothered than she doesn't seem to be able to catch up with the lyrics, maybe she should have used less "x"s.
― the subject of many men’s thoughts (daavid), Monday, 10 May 2010 23:08 (thirteen years ago) link
the delayed "-oh"s in the second half of the chorus are obv intentional and are good and cool
― samosa gibreel, Monday, 10 May 2010 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
this is about a million times better than born free though
― the subject of many men’s thoughts (daavid), Monday, 10 May 2010 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
M.I.A. would probably be disappointed to learn that I like this track so much because it reminds me of Lady Gaga. oof.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 10 May 2010 23:22 (thirteen years ago) link
why does it remind people of lady gaga? omg it's poppy, wow i forgot lady gaga is the only pop artist out today. the production on this track is what really elevates it in my opinion -- at the very least more interesting than anything redone and rob fusari have done. it actually somewhat pains me to have to make that comparison, really.
ps, i do love that chemical brothers track right before it.
― teledyldonix, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 01:10 (thirteen years ago) link
repurposed the lyrics from that wrecks-n-effect songnever noticed this tbh― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier)
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier)
really?
wrecks-n-effect: ALL I WANNA DO IS ZOOM-A-ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM, AND A POOM-POOM, JUST SHAKE YA RUMPmia: ALL I WANNA DO IS (BOOM!-a-BOOM!-a-BOOM!-a-BOOM!) AND (KKKAAA CHING), AND TAKE YA MONEY
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 11 May 2010 01:41 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't hate mia like most of you but man the twitter and iphone references are just like guuuuhhhhh
― rahni, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link
yah she also had a more direct rump shaker quote earlier on a bangladesh beat "Hit That"
― zvookster, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 02:02 (thirteen years ago) link
damn, I forgot about "Hit That". such a banger!
― jagger edge (The Reverend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 02:14 (thirteen years ago) link
that is barely a wrecks n effect reference. "all i wanna do is" is a reference?
no one claimed ppl were RECOGNIZING the clash sample, quite the opposite; its just a super catchy track
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 02:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i thought the parallel was obvious the first time i heard the song. maybe i was mistaken, and that wasn't what mia was going for, but it certainly seemed that way to me (and, as i say, that was the most compelling aspect of the song for me).
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 11 May 2010 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link
it's def a reference, when u see she has history there it's undeniable, but whether a large number of ppl responded to it, well no unless there's some huge collective pop culture subconscious out there that got it, which there isn't.
no one claimed ppl were RECOGNIZING the clash sample
OTM, some ppl who did and who previously said lol mia will neva b popular now said oh well that's just cuz of the clash iirc
― zvookster, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 02:33 (thirteen years ago) link
"xxxo" is really awesome -- hope this is a huge pop hit this summer in the US
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 May 2010 02:35 (thirteen years ago) link
it sounds more like annie or something than lady gaga
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 May 2010 02:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i think annie should have the first huge US pop hit that sounds just like annie.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 11 May 2010 02:39 (thirteen years ago) link
both annie and mia are cute tho, so either one can have the hit, i suppose.
yeah, the wrexx-n-efx hook is way more important to its success than the clash sample
― jagger edge (The Reverend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 02:41 (thirteen years ago) link
no
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 02:44 (thirteen years ago) link
let's just not talk about this anymore
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 May 2010 02:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i had no idea that m.i.a. was in the studio with bangladesh -- they could really do some good stuff together, altho this is a bit too disjointed and stagnant for my tastes
b/w "xxxo" & "space odyssey", i've pretty much loved the two joints off this album not named "born free"
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 May 2010 02:46 (thirteen years ago) link
j0rdan, "Hit That" is pre-Kala
― jagger edge (The Reverend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 02:46 (thirteen years ago) link
can't see something so abrasive being a huge US pop hit
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 02:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I wish I could listen to this. :(
No sound is killing me
― jagger edge (The Reverend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 02:47 (thirteen years ago) link
"xxxo" is abrasive?
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 May 2010 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah - harsh tones, angular construction, awkward vocals. it abuts my ears.
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 02:49 (thirteen years ago) link
get that it's being all smooth & poppy w/in the framework of her sound
not getting how "sounds like annie" and "abrasive" come into play together... other than maybe at the OG "sounds like lady gaga"
― jagger edge (The Reverend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 02:50 (thirteen years ago) link
who is, of course, all the fuck over US pop radio
― jagger edge (The Reverend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i was just listening thru my laptop speakers but it didn't sound that abrasive, will listen on headphones when the cdq leaks
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 May 2010 02:53 (thirteen years ago) link
production is pretty abrasive. like, frantically cluttered to the point of abrasion.
― samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 02:55 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, i guess it's not much more abrasive than gaga, but gaga does a better job of making the harshness part of the pop. here the jaggedy bits stick out as obstacles. not criticizing or saying i don't like it - the more i listen the more i do. but i would place no money on this being as big as paper planes. not that i'm any kind of pop psychic.
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't really get into anything beyond Paper Planes... she had some ultrafuckinggreat-creative-spark and then subsequently lost in on everything she made thereafter.
― kelpolaris, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 03:14 (thirteen years ago) link
this isn't really that abrasive... i mean maybe the drums? but i mean, american radio still plays new beats by swizz beatz, so idk
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 May 2010 03:21 (thirteen years ago) link
there are like a gazillion pretty distorted synth lines going off every half-second
― samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 03:34 (thirteen years ago) link
is it really more abrasive than david guetta beats?
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 May 2010 03:57 (thirteen years ago) link
i'd say so. i don't know, what popular abrasive david guetta beats are you thinking of?
― samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 04:07 (thirteen years ago) link
every single one -- i find "sexy bitch" to be incredibly loud & off putting
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 May 2010 04:09 (thirteen years ago) link
i've often compared listening to david guetta to getting beat in the head w/ a sledgehammer
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 May 2010 04:10 (thirteen years ago) link
so xxxo is kind of a jam in spite of her
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 04:11 (thirteen years ago) link
sexy bitch's chorus has that kinda distorted pinball synth but it's cooled by the minimal arrangement. xxxo is bursting at the seams with different sounds, drums switch up in a lot of jagged, fractured ways. it's not harsh blog house but definitely less palatable than dg. maybe not that much less, though, and i would be thrilled for it to be a hit.
― samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 04:15 (thirteen years ago) link
it is pretty bloghouse
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 May 2010 04:21 (thirteen years ago) link
don't really get the david guetta comparison. "sexy bitch" is loud, but in a way that's more propulsive & tense than actually abrasive. and i guess there's something harsh about the clanging synth in "i gotta feeling", but it doesn't get in the way of the pop, and there's still plenty of room in the mix. in comparison, "xxxo" is nearly noize. angsty static beats, samples of what sounds like breaking glass, a shrill edge to every element.
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 04:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm not comparing it to "xxxo" -- just saying that i think there are things that i classify as "abrasive" that get played on american radio
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 May 2010 04:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i.e. swizz beatz
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 May 2010 04:29 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^^^ "tap-tap-tap that bed to the wall"!
i had no idea that "paper planes" interpolated anything, clash or wreckx-n-effect, until this thread!
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 07:10 (thirteen years ago) link
how have you never heard "Rump Shaker"?!
― jagger edge (The Reverend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 07:12 (thirteen years ago) link
― Tape Store, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 07:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i have heard "rump shaker", i just never clocked that it was an interpolation!
i haven't heard whatever clash song it is though (neither do i have an interest in doing so)
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 07:20 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymfE1MOTXDk
― teledyldonix, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 08:55 (thirteen years ago) link
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, May 10, 2010 10:25 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
haha dude christ. Daniel already typed both choruses out, it's not like the words "all i wanna do" are the only thing they share in common, it's practically the same chorus with a couple words/sounds swapped out.
― cozen frustard (some dude), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:29 (thirteen years ago) link
"xxxo" is ok on first listen
why the fuck was this thread chosen for the m.i.a. revive anyway? it's pissing me off - there are a million m.i.a. threads, let mia have her space.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:38 (thirteen years ago) link
blame it on the forks
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:39 (thirteen years ago) link
haha it was annoying me too
― just sayin, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I had completely missed the rump shaker reference until some earlier ilm thread. Man, that song is nowhere near as ubiquitous as it was in 199x.
― kkvgz, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Although I bet more people glommed onto that ref than the Clash sample.
― kkvgz, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:05 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.amazon.com/Xxxo/dp/B003K3YRY4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1273548665&sr=8-1
This is out there in high quality.
― Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:08 (thirteen years ago) link
'rump shaker' was never ubiq where mia grew up
why is it a big deal that mia uses samples btw? especially when 'rump shaker' is based on two massive effing well-known hooks already for god's sake
― Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:15 (thirteen years ago) link
I bet Joe Strummer would have been totally cool with MIA using Clash samples, considering how the Clash basically sampled the original New York punk rock of the Ramones to come up with their style.
― kkvgz, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:55 (thirteen years ago) link
er no
― Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:01 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean yeah he would have been cool with her sampling him but otherwise nuh-uh
― Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:02 (thirteen years ago) link
He would have been all like "Go ahead, it's yours, innit? After all, we nicked our sound from those long-haired yanks..."
― kkvgz, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:06 (thirteen years ago) link
"we nicked our sound from those long-haired yanks"
nah
― Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:54 (thirteen years ago) link
its not a big deal that MIA samples, its just stupid that a bunch of ppl give her credit for something (still not really sure what - 'personality'??) when imo the only reason she had a hit was because of a one-track jack of an obscure song. the idea that her referencing rump shaker so obscurely that half the ppl didnt realize it was rump shaker in this thread suggests that nah it wasnt that big a deal
ive made this point already tho not sure whats so complicated about it. its a catchy-ass beat because of the music it rips from the clash
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:20 (thirteen years ago) link
you're conflating two different things here: people 'give her credit' for having two albums that are critical favorites. That her sole pop hit happens to have a prominent sampled hook doesn't make her much different from a LOT of rappers.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:43 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't get why people are always talking about run-dmc when their only top ten hit was all about fucking aerosmith
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Every US poster who was actively listening to the radio in 1992-1993 who didn't immediately catch the "Rump Shaker" reference needs to pay more attention to, like, EVERYTHING.
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Um, as it was pointed out, it was BARELY A REFERENCE. Glancing, at best.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:17 (thirteen years ago) link
^^ really hope that's just a deej parody
― cozen frustard (some dude), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l3A3ALppN8
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:24 (thirteen years ago) link
you're right, barely a reference
indeed. in fact, i've scrubbed the wrecks n effect line from my memory entirely.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link
now all i hear is the clash. clash, clash, clash.
Realllllly don't get the "abrasive" line on "xxxo." I'm not sure it's hit material, just hooks-wise or whatever (I also don't think she really gives a shit) but sonically it's not more jarring or irritating than half the stuff on the radio right now.
also the Rump Shaker thing is way more than "all I wanna do is," it's "all I wanna do is VERB VERB VERB and a VERB VERB! blah VERB your VERB!"
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:34 (thirteen years ago) link
you want a NOUN at the end there
― mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link
what would "to rump" even mean
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:39 (thirteen years ago) link
"Have you rumped today?"
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:43 (thirteen years ago) link
M.I.A. Names LP, Rumps Release Date
― kkvgz, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:43 (thirteen years ago) link
So the album's called /\/\/\Y/\ then.
― Number None, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:14 (thirteen years ago) link
|_ /\/\ /-\ ()
― INGMAR BIRDMAN CÅSH MONEY (Future_Perfect), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link
|_ /\/\ |3 () morelike
― jagger edge (The Reverend), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I dunno I guess its cuz the phrase is stretched over the beat differently (and the song is also a much slower bpm, no?) than the Wreckx-n-Effects track that it just never popped out at me. Rump Shaker blurs together with like half a dozen other 90s pop rap hits for me (like N 2 Deep and shit like that)
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Quoting Scooby-Doo?
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
XXXRuhRoh
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I dunno I guess its cuz the phrase is stretched over the beat differently
uh no it isn't
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Some of the words are replaced by gun- and cash register- noises. That's where she tricked me.
― kkvgz, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I was always too busy thinking of the "take your monaaaaaaaay" line from this degrassi high classic "everybody wants something" by the zit remedys to think about "rump shaker".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nU2zvWsmMk
― original bgm, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:31 (thirteen years ago) link
My thoughts exactly.
― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Shake your rump = 3 syllablesTake your money = 4 syllables
you do the math
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Don't think I'd have recognised XXXO as an M.I.A. song if I hadn't been told. On first impression I'm not that keen but it's prob catchy enough that I'll love it in a week or so.
― this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
That her sole pop hit happens to have a prominent sampled hook doesn't make her much different from a LOT of rappers.
― da croupier, Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:43 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
would 1992 internet have said omg sampling 'blind alley', s0 done already?
probably yes, but the point stands
― Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
hahahahahahahahaha wait, so you are basically saying that having a different ending somehow makes the exact match of rhythmic cadence of the phrases leading up to the point irrelevant?
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
i think a lot of people are ignoring the REAL issue here (re. zooma-zoom-zoom-zooming in the poom-poom)
― you better check that sausage before you put it in the rofl (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 17:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, I get it now.
― kkvgz, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link
how on earth is the rump shaker reference 'obscure'? that song was fairly big, wasn't it? i don't know nearly as much about music as most of you and certainly did not listen to the radio at that time but i could tell where the chorus was from on first listen -- maybe i didn't remember the name of the artist, but it's clearly recognizable.
― teledyldonix, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ all of u "surely everyone know this ref to 15 year old mega smash rump shaker"
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
... Pretty much! It's almost as bad as being like "I had no idea that 'My anaconda don't want none unless you got buns, hon!' was a quote."
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
'My BLAOW BLAOW don't want BLAOW you got CLICK, CHA-CHING!'
― kkvgz, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe it's a sheryl crow reference???
― you better check that sausage before you put it in the rofl (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
LOL
― kkvgz, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
XXXO is better than that piece of shit that was the first leak. But not much better?
― rennavate, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link
― teledyldonix, Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:16 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
it didn't even chart in the UK. not that big a thing.
― Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
"hit that" prompted tom br3ihan to make the specific claim in 2007 that "'Rump Shaker' seems to have stuck around in the mass-culture worldmind way more than just about any other random hit I can think of from that era"
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/statusainthood/archives/2007/05/on_the_continui.php
but if u look his evidence is extremely scant and the article seems a face-saving exercise following an incident where he, dude writing about rap for the village voice, appeared to demonstrate that he had not heard Nations of Millions and caught flack around the rap internetz.
― zvookster, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:54 (thirteen years ago) link
"seems to have stuck around in the mass-culture worldmind way more than just about any other random hit I can think of from that era" is always going to be a dumb statement, no matter what its subject. these things always depend on whom you ask. and so maybe just maybe it might be true in america for some people. but where mia grew up, it just isn't true, at all, ever.
ne way what are we even talking about? omg she took an instrumental sample and adapted a vocal hook? truly unprecedented behaviour from a recording artiste.
― Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
ftr I did expressly say I was tsking the US posters
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
DONT TSK ME!!
no diggity was better anyway
― you better check that sausage before you put it in the rofl (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link
taking them to tsk
― samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link
nothing is better than no diggity
― Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
no diggity is better. but it's true that "rump shaker" reached "u can't touch this" levels of ubiquity in socal in the early 90s. i heard that song a bazillion times in middle school. without even trying to hear it.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
No Diggity = forever awesome.
Also, if you go to http://neetrecordings.com/blog/ the version of XXXO streaming is apparently the original Blaqstarr produced one. The version released as a single on iTunes etc. has production from Blaqstarr and Rusko and sounds pretty different. Not sure how I feel about the solo Blaqstarr take on it, but you can't find it anywhere else.
― Alex in Montreal, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
haha my first reaction is "oh it's her 'Hollaback Girl'"
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:20 (thirteen years ago) link
personally i was just shooting the breeze abt rump shaker and bringing up three year old rap writer beefs. i don't like XXXO so i don't have much else to talk about.
the deej position on "paper planes" is oddly common & always seems so hilarious to me, like ppl don't like an artist but then having a hit seems to validate the artist for some reason so they have to undermine the validation in some way. as if disliking the artist isn't enough, you have to show that even a hit record doesn't demonstrate any importance "oh it's just the clash". from a rap writer it's esp. odd.
one more thing u could say about the "rump shaker" ref in "paper planes" is that it probably attracted kanye, timbaland, t.i. & jay-z, since rap is pretty sensitive to iterations and refs like that. "culture worldmind" is a bad phrase but something like that obviously exists in hip hop. so it's kind of interesting to have something specific, more than merely a chick saying swagger in a cadence that seemed cool, that may have drawn them to an iteration of their own.
nothing is better than no diggityNo Diggity = forever awesome.
no diggity
― zvookster, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
I think everyone can agree that "No Diggity" is one of the greatest songs ever recorded.
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
got to bag it up
― tylerw, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm pretty sure when "Paper Planes" was getting tons of play on the rap/r&b station in my town, more people hearing it on that station were going "oh, a 'Rump Shaker' reference!" than going "oh, a Clash sample!"
― jagger edge (The Reverend), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 01:30 (thirteen years ago) link
this has been the most tedious discussion ever
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 12 May 2010 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link
ha, i can't actually hear the similarity to "rump shaker" at all. Having previously been familiar with the song and re-listening to it specifically because of this thread.
― Times New Excels At (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 01:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i think i like the original blaqstarr production way better, but both are still pretty dope
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 12 May 2010 01:37 (thirteen years ago) link
XXXpostOTM
― Tape Store, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 01:38 (thirteen years ago) link
"I'm pretty sure when "Paper Planes" was getting tons of play on the rap/r&b station in my town, more people hearing it on that station were going "oh, a 'Rump Shaker' reference!" than going "oh, a Clash sample!""
I pretty sure most people in your town, my town, everyone's towns didn't give a shit.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
http://flyingcart.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/how_rude.jpg
― GayQuil (The Reverend), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link
alex sf otm
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 12 May 2010 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link
you guys are blowing my fucking mind here
if a wack rapper drops a song on a hot beat, ill say "nice beat, but the rapping is trash." I think the clash sample is a good one. but the song is not a good one, because MIA is adding basically nothing to it as far as im concerned. her personality is paper-thin, shes a stand-in for a bunch of unconvincing & ham-fisted signifiers.
i totally criticize rappers for this kind of shit all the time!! its mindblowing to me that this far on after we had the discussion this point is still missing you guys
and ive fukkin spun 'rump shaker' while djing before (albeit not in a few years) i think i probably subconsciously recognized it but while im sure lots of people (although apparently not everyone, including dudes keyed into this stuff like shakey) acknowledged it, it doesnt take a barely-there interpolation ("all i wanna do is" -- was that 'soak up the sun' song a rump shaker interpolation too???) to make a song a hit. theres a reason 'galang' from that car commercial that was exposed to half the world & didnt become a hit, while this song did, and its all about the musicality of the sample.
and yo guys -- im not saying "her music is bad because its a one track jack," im even bringing this up as a reaction to ppl who ride her 'popularity' as a confirmation of her doing something vital/relevant. the only reason that most ppl know who she is is a clash sample. same way most ppl only know vanilla ice because of a queen sample
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 05:57 (thirteen years ago) link
""I'm pretty sure when "Paper Planes" was getting tons of play on the rap/r&b station in my town, more people hearing it on that station were going "oh, a 'Rump Shaker' reference!" than going "oh, a Clash sample!""
and for the last fucking time, i never said it was a hit because people were like "hey i recognize the clash." it was a hit because the sample is CATCHY. i understand that as a music board of critics you guys often have the worst taste on earth & arent keyed into what other human beings enjoy about music but cmon
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 05:59 (thirteen years ago) link
you do realize that as a matter of course, people (and not just a board full of music critics) like different things about music, even the same pieces of music, yeah?
― GayQuil (The Reverend), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 06:01 (thirteen years ago) link
you are acting as if every non-ilm person who has heard that song is getting the exact same thing out of it, when obviously people are going to have a wide range of reactions
― GayQuil (The Reverend), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 06:02 (thirteen years ago) link
I really have no idea why I'm arguing with the biggest hardhead short of Geir on this board
― GayQuil (The Reverend), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 06:04 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont know why im arguing w/ an MIA stan but here we are
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 06:04 (thirteen years ago) link
and for what its worth rev i think theres something to be gained from observing why people seem to like some things in big numbers and not others, as long as you acknowledge that the generalizations you are making are just that
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 06:06 (thirteen years ago) link
but your observation is just conjecture
― GayQuil (The Reverend), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 06:09 (thirteen years ago) link
...based on your own response, which is completely fine if you just hold it out there as your own response to the song, but it gets really stupid when you start projecting it onto everyone else
― GayQuil (The Reverend), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 06:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno i think everyone asserting that this is a hit because she barely quoted 'rump shaker' is being ridiculous & this is a much more defensible position but then i think MIA as a whole is a crock of whatever so i guess i should expect this response in her thread
that said, if miccio mentions that i like rap music one more time as if that means anything, i just dont know
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 06:11 (thirteen years ago) link
the idea of it having anything to do w/ "rump shaker" is pretty retarded imo, but i think it's equally retarded for you to str8 up ignore the chorus of the song, esp cuz in my experience, that's the part that ppl dig the most
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 12 May 2010 06:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i never argued what ppl 'dig the most' i argued what made it a hit
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 06:16 (thirteen years ago) link
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:04 PM Suggest Ban PermalinkBookmark
half the beats on Kala are some tedious shit
― BIG HOOS was the drummer for the rock band Gay Mom (The Reverend), Sunday, Suggest Ban PermalinkNovember 29, 2009 9:38 PM Bookmark
About a third of Kala is sludgy and tedious and barely listenable. And Arular had better songs and production, some stuff on Kala seems undersketched and the whole album sounds dry and brittle where Arular sounded warm and colorful.
― suggestbannn/the lorax below (The Reverend), Thursday, October 1, 2009 10:50 AM
but I guess liking anything by her makes me a slobbering "stan" with no critical faculties when talking about anything she's done
― GayQuil (The Reverend), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 06:18 (thirteen years ago) link
xp I said this before but what made it a hit was it got used in two popular movies at the same time
j0rdan, you are smarter than this, how the hell does it not have anything to do with "Rump Shaker"?
― GayQuil (The Reverend), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 06:19 (thirteen years ago) link
deej, you really need to stop acting as if you have some greater insight into "regular people" than anyone else here. that shit is mad tedious and presumptuous
― GayQuil (The Reverend), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 06:21 (thirteen years ago) link
― GayQuil (The Reverend), Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:18 AM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark
galang was on a nationally broad cast commercial but it didnt become a hit. generally speaking, songs dont become hits unless people like them
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 06:50 (thirteen years ago) link
m.i.a. arguments were more fun when they were about tamil tigers.
― women are a bunch of dudes (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 06:58 (thirteen years ago) link
okay, and those are very different songs in a lot of ways other than "one has a clash sample and one doesn't", so your point is?
― GayQuil (The Reverend), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 06:59 (thirteen years ago) link
catchy musical samples are more likely to make hits when the artist is unlikely to have hits
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 12:22 (thirteen years ago) link
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 12:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I think more people have been arguing that she quoted "Rump Shaker" than that quoting "Rump Shaker" made it a hit. but please feel free to continue railing against a strawman that doesn't even bolster your argument.
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 13:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm just saying that when she quoted Rump Shaker, it was a metaphor.
― kkvgz, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 13:24 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm going to mention again that deej is using the same half-assed criticisms ("amusical" "dependent on a catchy sample for a hit") to dismiss MIA that have been used against hip-hop artists since the genre was born (though yes, he's consistent about only using the half-assed criticisms when he doesn't like the artist). I'm mentioning it because I want to know what he doesn't know.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 13:43 (thirteen years ago) link
when you repeat the lazy criticisms of your genre of choice, at the very least it means you need to try harder.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 13:50 (thirteen years ago) link
This morning's NME:
http://www.nme.com/layout/magImage.php
― piscesx, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Time to work on that false identity, deej.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link
the clash song wasn't suffering from a lack of exposure. and it's never been anything close to a US hit - not in its day, and not anytime since. it's not like a "straight to hell" jack was a guaranteed smash for anyone clever enough to pull it. the MIA song succeeds not simply because it contains the sample, but because it does something with it, adds something to it, makes it pop. and though this is only my opinion, i think the chorus is a huge part of that. the verse is catchy and gets your head nodding, but the chorus is memorable, funny and fun to sing along with. in my mind, there's no single "it's popular because of THIS" component to the song. like all good pop, it's recombinant. the sample is catchy, but so's the chorus, and maya's voice over the beats & sample creates a vastly different effect than joe strummer's.
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link
hold the fuck on
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:58 (thirteen years ago) link
just let's pause here for a second
and collect our thoughts
BRANDON FLOWERS GAVE AN INTERVIEW BY HIMSELF NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I am pretty sure Lex's face will melt if we turn this into a Killers/Brandon Flowers thread
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:00 (thirteen years ago) link
is that really his name?
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:08 (thirteen years ago) link
please god let me win the helicopter ride
― tylerw, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I assume the bit about the new Blur album is a threat.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:12 (thirteen years ago) link
gotta say, if those NME headlines can't sell a music paper, what could
― da croupier, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:14 (thirteen years ago) link
how come nobody's talking about the suicide sample in "born free"? or did you already? sorry, i can't wade through this whole thread, the rumpshaker arguments give me a headache
― Brio, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link
how come nobody's talking about the suicide sample in "born free"?
'paper planes' is a jam and 'born free' isn't
― Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link
we did already, a bitxp
― this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link
also "Born Free" is totally a jam
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link
and this is her new Rumpshaker:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvaQKtVQzk4
― Brio, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link
not even kidding actually - they're both totally deliberate references
― Brio, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link
"Win VIP tickets + helicopter ride"! With Brandon Flowers?
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe it's an offer to help pitch him out.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link
You guys, the Clash or Rump Shaker sampling isn't what made it a hit, it was the gunshot & cash register samples! OBVIOUSLY!!!
― Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link
We should all be trying to figure out which Dirty Harry movie they're taken from.
― Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ how boring u all are. when u win the argument will u really feel more fulfilled?
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
like its not even an argument its just
person1:opinionperson2:opinionperson1:u mad!person2:u mad and u strawmanning me!
(repead AD FUCKING NAUSEUM)
an argument is more than just restating a fucking opinion over and over again.
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Can't stop won't stop:
http://pitchfork.com/news/38777-echo-chamber-mia-vs-justin-bieber/
"I find the new Justin Bieber video more violent and more of an assault to my eyes and senses than what I've made."
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
― plax (ico), Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:43 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
u mad
― Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Really the only thing more annoying than people who won't drop a stupid argument are people who proclaim loftily how stupid everyone participating in the argument is.
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
and I should know because I do it all the time
i went out into the night, i want out to pick a fight with anyone
― my baby's got the bans (ksh), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Wednesday, May 12, 2010 4:48 PM (1 minute ago)
not that they wont drop it, but that there is no difference in what guys are posting like 200 posts l8r. shit is like a beckett play including the fucking cosmic angst
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
ha well yes, I will def concede that
― Cheese? In MY coffee? (It's more likely than you think!) (HI DERE), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
ahaha i thought all these posts would be quality mockery of the album title before i clicked :(
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
that got condensed to like 3 "lol" posts
I'm not surprised at the name, since she named her previous albums after her mom and dad, but why the hell did she spell it in 1337?
― Cheese? In MY coffee? (It's more likely than you think!) (HI DERE), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
spelling it like that : wit :: "born free" video : political activism
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
this:this::that:that
^ this always confuses me and makes me spend too long evaluating v short posts
― this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
idgi
― samosa gibreel, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link
idgi:tldr::wtf:meh
― this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
dang, just listened 2 born free for the 1st time, its fuckin awesome
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
ok now igi
― samosa gibreel, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
love born free in the same way that deej hates paper planes. it's cool entirely because of the suicide riff and doesn't add anything to it. other than some xtrmntr-style noise acceleration that only trades beauty for obviousness. and the "PEW!" noise in the beginning. love that.
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link
okay, i lied. i don't "love" born free. i only kind of almost like it. for a minute or two. then it makes me want to hear ghost rider.
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
there's a much, much better version of XXXOhere.
― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 22:53 (thirteen years ago) link
― da croupier, Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:43 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark
appropriate -- lazy criticism for a lazy artist. it doesnt matter that morons have criticized rap for the same thing, that doesnt invalidate its use as criticism! and im sorry but "when he doesnt like the artist" is the basis for like all criticism ever?? i mean, i dont have anything against MIA as a *person* if thats what yr implying. but i think her music is wack & im explaining why i think so, which is the basis for well all criticism
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:04 (thirteen years ago) link
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:20 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark
hey condescending moderator #1 if someone actually argues a point in a thread it no longer becomes a 'strawman'
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link
someone once said Run DMC only had a hit because they sampled aerosmith, ergo its impossible to credit bowie/queen with helping give vanilla ice a hit!!
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm pretty confident we all agree that there's a difference between a song that samples another song and a mash-up, right? To my ears, "Paper Planes" always sounded more like a mash-up a la "Piracy Funds Terrorism" than a sample, but since I love the Clash song mightily, the more I hear it the happier I am. In fact, I'm pretty able to tune MIA right out whenever I hear it, which is and has always been virtually nil, surprisingly, for an alleged hit.
FWIW, the Suicide in "Born Free" sounds more like a sample in a song and not a mash-up, which doesn't make it better or worse but makes the bit's inclusion less overtly aggressive (for lack of a better word).
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:12 (thirteen years ago) link
deej, it is kind of amazing to me that you make money with words considering that you can't read.
― Cheese? In MY coffee? (It's more likely than you think!) (HI DERE), Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:15 (thirteen years ago) link
hey, thanks for linking to that xxxo mix, spinspun. can't say i like it any better than the official version (?), but it's interesting. what it reveals more than anything is that the vocal should be a hit. just needs a track that works with it and adds something to it (to change the argument up a little). maybe some remixer will hit the sweet spot.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:22 (thirteen years ago) link
appropriate -- lazy criticism for a lazy artist.
wonderful last line of defense here.
― some dude, Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:41 (thirteen years ago) link
was a joke. but um correct me if im wrong but dont you agree with me??
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont think 'lazy' or 'difficult' enters into this criticism -- i thought what i was saying was self-evident & am mildly perturbed to see so many ppl actually really think shes been doing something super fresh
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:43 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, if hes saying its OBVIOUS criticsm, ok, its obvious. i havent come up w/ some clever theory like hey limp bizkit is actually GOOD or whatever stands for a miccio challop these days but i still think im right so
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:44 (thirteen years ago) link
aside from not particularly liking or respecting M.I.A. as an artist I don't know if there's a single thing you've said in this thread that I agree with
― some dude, Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
if u want to do a parallel with like Ma$e or someone, i could write a few paragraphs defending 'feel so good' & saying what dude brings to that beat that the original didnt have. so far the arguments ive heard in favor of whatever it was MIA did to this clash song arent real convincing to me. i dont feel like she brought much to it ! i dont understand why saying this is so hypocritical just because HI DERE doesnt get Ma$e but imo the onus is on MIA fans to defend her work, not on me to come up w/ some never-before-heard method of dissing it, particularly since anything other than what ive already said that this pt would be dishonest
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link
debate is a bit too high strung for its own good but honestly itt people needlessly hardmanning deej for not liking mia's contribution to 'paper planes.' or am i missing something?
― samosa gibreel, Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link
― some dude, Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:47 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
such as...?
this thread is kinda like a homoerotic south carolina frat party:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZYN5ejbHf0&feature=related
― Brio, Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ohuQhEwmSI&feature=related
― Brio, Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
important contributions to thread
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
― samosa gibreel, Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:49 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
^this statement is the equivalent of going "no, 7 + 3 = 4"
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link
oh no someone disagrees about mia lets shit about it
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:57 (thirteen years ago) link
fwiw jordan did you just post the equivalent of 'no you are' or did i miss something
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link
that's what i'm sayin
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:01 (thirteen years ago) link
xxp- not sure what you mean by that, and like i know this debate has now gotten to the point of everyone just nodding their heads in disapproval but somewhere along the line everything just became real dumb and furious
― samosa gibreel, Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:03 (thirteen years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:01 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
has 'no you are' ever given someone the higher ground
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:04 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm just loling at the idea of deej being the victim of needless hardmanning
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:05 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno its pretty much me against the world in this thread
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:09 (thirteen years ago) link
er 'itt'
who knew a board full of critics would be so defensive about MIA
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link
lol at u
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link
http://old.firstup.se/mia_am4.gif
― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:13 (thirteen years ago) link
http://old.firstup.se/mia_am2.gif
― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:15 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't agree with deej insofar as i like 'paper planes' a lot, but my experience reading this thread was like, a lot of posters coming on way too strongly and furiously to a really inane argument about one dude's (uncontroversial imo) reasons for not liking a song. i don't mean to be the guy who shows up and says "lol what a dumb thread" more like "ok why is everyone's brow suddenly drenched in sweat?"
― samosa gibreel, Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Jaime Martinez is dope.
http://www.neetrecordings.com/jaime/#/14
― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link
one dude's (uncontroversial imo) reasons for not liking a song
you realize that this isn't at all what the thread is about, right?
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:19 (thirteen years ago) link
spinspin, you should post more images that everyone saw on blogs two weeks ago. do you have the new interpol promo photos?
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:20 (thirteen years ago) link
y'all are still talking about M.I.A. when a new National record just came out???
― my baby's got the bans (ksh), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:20 (thirteen years ago) link
see J0rdan, it worked! I got you to stop talking about stupid shit!
― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
we stopped talking about uffie weeks ago
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link
and the moral of the story is...holding grudges on message boards (about pop-stars no less) is nagl.
― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:26 (thirteen years ago) link
you're calling uffie a pop star?
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:27 (thirteen years ago) link
dude...
― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:27 (thirteen years ago) link
group hug y'all!
― my baby's got the bans (ksh), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:35 (thirteen years ago) link
constant repetition = the only thing wrong with anybody's position in this thread. otherwise, it's fine to say that mia's not bringing anything to her samples, just like it's fine to call that a hollow argument.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Rolling CHALLENGING OPINIONS thread 2008
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:43 (thirteen years ago) link
its really not fine to call it a 'hollow argument' unless u are going to put forward something worthwhile that she is doing
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:43 (thirteen years ago) link
several such arguments have been made on this thread and you aren't interested in listening to them, though
― i am giving you the viking of compliments (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 May 2010 03:02 (thirteen years ago) link
its really not fine to call it a 'hollow argument' unless u are going to put forward something worthwhile that she is doing― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej)
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej)
to my mind, that's adding something. i guess to you, it isn't, but i don't think there's a right or wrong here. that's why it seems reasonable to call your argument hollow: it's predicated entirely on subjective appreciation, just like mine. unless you're really arguing that she's failing to do some necessary thing on a fundamental level. but i can't imagine what that might be, or how you'd define/measure it.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 13 May 2010 03:04 (thirteen years ago) link
wait so both your arguments are hollow?
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 13 May 2010 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
'cause its time to bring the fire down throttle all this indiscretion long enough to edify and permanently fill this hollow
― my baby's got the bans (ksh), Thursday, 13 May 2010 03:18 (thirteen years ago) link
...like, just take the cadence. her voice isn't rhythmically duplicating anything in "straight to hell". not precisely, and it's not like she's mumbling, diffident, mostly buried in the mix (the way she is on "born free"). she's in control of "paper planes", making the song bend to her will, like she knows exactly where she's going and why she's hitting those beats. that interaction and command = "doing something". "born free" lacks that quality, and i think that's why i quickly tired of it. the additional noise pumps up the suicide sample, making it more aggressive and less hypnotic, but the overall vibe doesn't change much, and maya's mostly just tagging along, even on the chorus. imo.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 13 May 2010 03:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i can understand someone not liking born free for the reasons you're explaining, but to me it's like "thank god someone took that suicide bassline and made it really loud and noisy and brought it up in the mix"
― samosa gibreel, Thursday, 13 May 2010 03:34 (thirteen years ago) link
it just provides a pleasant, smoked-out ride through the verses, like driving around town on an early summer evening with nowhere to go.
its a song about robbing ppl at gunpoint iirc
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 03:41 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, but that's just silly talk. we know she's not really robbing anybody, like when we sing along and make finger-guns, we know we don't mean any harm. the song conveys no more real threat than "steal my sunshine". "straight to hell", on the other hand, is genuinely creepy, and genuinely political, even in its sonics.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 13 May 2010 03:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't think i'm gonna get an okay out of you no matter what i say
― contenderizer, Thursday, 13 May 2010 03:52 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno i think what your posting is at least a better shot @ dialogue w/ what im saying than miccio trolling
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 03:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, i still disagree w/ your conclusion. i think a lighthearted we know shes not REALLY robbing song is kinda ... in poor taste? corny?
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 03:55 (thirteen years ago) link
What I get out of if it's more about being in a shitty position and wishing you could take it out on the people holding you down by robbing some motherfuckers but realizing you aren't exactly M.O.P. or whatever.
― i am giving you the viking of compliments (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 May 2010 03:58 (thirteen years ago) link
ffs it's a fantasy of third-world power that has its roots in the assertion of real, actual third-world power -- global-south immigrants might not really be border-busting superagents, in the same way that MI5 dudes aren't really james bond, but they really do go from here to there to where they want to, in huge numbers, and they really are up to expropriating a whole lot of western money. granted, mostly via doing shitty jobs for shitty pay, but "paper planes" is a romanticized vision of economic reality. it's a great song, and it's smart, and catchy too. and as emblematic of real things in the world of its time as any song i can think of.
― women are a bunch of dudes (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 13 May 2010 04:07 (thirteen years ago) link
(and pretending that it's all about the sample is silly. i love the clash more than most ilxors, and that song, too. but "paper planes" finds new rhythmic and melodic possibilities in the sample. which is sort of the point of good sampling.)
― women are a bunch of dudes (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 13 May 2010 04:09 (thirteen years ago) link
it does?? can you expound on that cuz as far as i can tell its just a straight up loop.
― women are a bunch of dudes (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:07 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
you get all this from those lyrics?? to me those lyrics are a bunch of random hustling signifiers, it might as well be a mike jones song
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 04:17 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean how do u even get that shes singing from the perspective of 'global-south immigrants'
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 04:18 (thirteen years ago) link
"if you catch me at the border, i got visas in my name"
"third-world democracy/ we got more records than the kgb"
and i mean the song is called paper planes, it's about the importance of documents--not having them, fabricating them, staying a step ahead of the people who want to see them. not that its politics are what made it a hit, but i don't think they hurt either. it taps into a romantic outlaw version of globalization.
― women are a bunch of dudes (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 13 May 2010 04:41 (thirteen years ago) link
as far as i can tell its just a straight up loop
right, exactly. hence the new possibilities. "straight to hell" moves on from that intro to its own basic riff and beat (which are great), but "paper planes" holds onto it and turns it into a foundation itself, opening it up and building on it.
― women are a bunch of dudes (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 13 May 2010 04:46 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^this is probably a better argument than mine (tipsy xposts). i wasn't taking the song's politics at all seriously.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 13 May 2010 04:59 (thirteen years ago) link
still think that the feeling it generates (and i was talking more about that than its literal meaning) is vastly different and much lighter in spirit than "straight to hell". though this is another unsupported generalization in a thread overloaded with them, i'd bet that it's pop success has more to do with its seeming triviality than with its actual lyrical intent. but maybe i'm not giving the song, the singer or the audience enough credit.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 13 May 2010 05:06 (thirteen years ago) link
so whats 'sticks and stones and weed and bombs'
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 05:17 (thirteen years ago) link
'running when we hit em lethal poison in their system'
huh?? how does that relate to the american immigrant experience. its guerilla chic, i dont buy this "its actually capturing the experience of immigrants" thing. its no diff than any rap song playing off outlaw cool, except the artist in question isnt really doing much for me as a dramatic figure/pop star/hero ... the track feels a lot more like a self-congratulatory play on revolutionary/'3rd world democracy' as an affect or something that doesnt feel particularly visceral or real.
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 05:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean 'we pack and deliver like ups trucks / already going to hell just pumping that gas' these arent 'immigrants' they're guerillas.
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 05:23 (thirteen years ago) link
learn to read
― i am giving you the viking of compliments (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 May 2010 05:34 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i mean i dont disagree w/ what hes saying as far as that goes, i just dont think its effective
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 05:38 (thirteen years ago) link
'as far as that goes' meaning his second post -- his first one still seems to be reading a whole bunch into this that i dont see there
anyway yeah 'outlaw cool' is a part of the appeal for sure ... im not claiming that its like, nothing else entered into ppl's appreciation of this song, cmon. but like i said before, theres a reason this particular track was a hit & others werent, and its not just cuz shes singing about 'romantic outlaw globalization' in this one song only
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 05:40 (thirteen years ago) link
right, but there are a bunch of reasons, whereas you keep going 'NA! NA! NA! THERE'S ONLY ONE!'
― i am giving you the viking of compliments (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 May 2010 05:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the main difference in the lyrics that would draw people in between "Paper Planes" and "Galang" (or "Born Free") is that in the former she takes time to set herself up as a sympathetic (and hence relatable) character, rather than the cathartic sloganeering of the later (which I have no problem with)
― i am giving you the viking of compliments (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 May 2010 05:44 (thirteen years ago) link
dude stfu w/ this "NANANA THERS ONLY ONE" i think ive been pretty even-handed about explaining my position w/out resorting to "LEARN TO READ" every other post
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 05:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Hahaha, in your own head, I guess. You are right though, that I am being an ass now. But you are rather willfully misconstruing people's arguments here.
― i am giving you the viking of compliments (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 May 2010 05:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont see how im doing that -- basically every time ive posted u have made assumptions about mine, i.e. that when i say the sample is doing the heavy lifting you infer that i mean the ONLY THING HAPPENING IN THE SONG IS THE SAMPLE & etc.
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 06:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont think MIA is a very charismatic presence, nor does she have a well-defined or particularly multi-dimensional persona. what tipsy describes upthread is pretty much of the extent of it, right? I mean cant you describe almost every song of hers that way? i mean yeah this track is less sloganeering bcuz its more like a sorta hokey facsimile of rap music outlaw swag ('fly like paper' what?) blended w/ some internationalist guerrilla warfare steez and thrown on top of one of the most under-recognized but musically appealing clash samples. I probably agree that her approach on this song helped to not drag it down in the shout-y way galang is annoying to me, but that barely qualifies as doing something interesting afaiconcerned
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 06:03 (thirteen years ago) link
& before miccio posts again yes i have a similar problem with rick ross
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 06:04 (thirteen years ago) link
your original point was that she isn't doing anything that the clash sample doesn't do on its own, and that the song succeeds almost entirely on the strength of that sample. which isn't a ridiculous argument, even if i disagree, but it's not self-evident and you haven't really built a strong case for it. not that i can see. i mean, so what if her swagger is hokey? how does that invalidate what she's doing? it's pop. pop doesn't depend on authorial authenticity. and how would sloganeering defeat her "doing something" with the sample anyway, even if that was her angle?
plus where do we get off challenging her authenticity in the first place? seems to be one of the most common roads of attack against her, and i don't quite get it.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 13 May 2010 06:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i think a lighthearted we know shes not REALLY robbing song is kinda ... in poor taste? corny?― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej)
― contenderizer, Thursday, 13 May 2010 06:31 (thirteen years ago) link
tipsy and deej are both kinda right wrt "paper planes" i think - it comes off like m.i.a. wanted to tie the third-world-power tropes into more conventional (and recognisable) gangsta hustling ones. obviously she doesn't do this particularly well and she hasn't thought much about why they should be linked beyond a vague "poor people...from there...poor people...here as well" shallow insight, but that's m.i.a. for ya.
(i really like the song b/c what m.i.a. excels at are the rhythmic and lyrical-nonsense hooks that enable you to ignore the ham-fistedness of the "activism" - though actually i think she IS capable of conveying her politics in a satisfying way when she does character-driven narratives, which is why "10 dollar" and "hussel" are probably my two favourite m.i.a. tracks.)
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 13 May 2010 08:57 (thirteen years ago) link
and seriously i feel like shouting OFF TOPIC at everyone and posting some mia youtubes
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 13 May 2010 08:59 (thirteen years ago) link
it comes off like m.i.a. wanted to tie the third-world-power tropes into more conventional (and recognisable) gangsta hustling ones. obviously she doesn't do this particularly well and she hasn't thought much about why they should be linked beyond a vague "poor people...from there...poor people...here as well" shallow insight, but that's m.i.a. for ya.― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend)
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend)
i don't think that this is "obvious" at all. i was dismissing the song's political angle earlier because i was more concerned with its vibe. compared to the heavy bleakness of "straight to hell", it feels breezy and fun. although maya's singing about how she wants to "take your money", it comes across as more cheeky than threatening, and it's easy to identify with the gangster-chic posing, no matter who you are. you can play like you're with her taking someone else's money, and that inviting quality probably helps it as pop.
but that's a very superficial (i.e., pop) was of relating to the song, and it ignores/misconstrues its actual lyrical intent. not so long ago, i might have been inclined to agree that "paper planes" is just a collection of catchy/provocative half-slogans, but tipsy makes a good case for its specificity, depth and intelligence. it's partly a "bunch of random hustling signifiers," but it's also addressed to the particular situation of people who aren't from around here: immigrants, migrants, the poor and paper-dependent. it's about wanting to be more free than you are, to fly like the paper (money, passports, etc) that defines your identity and allows you to travel, to be able to move and do with an impunity that others take for granted. like much of her material, it's also a generic statement of identity and strength in opposition, in criminal exile, and i don't see anything wrong with that.
rap is pop, and it's international. it's not the sole province of any single group or experience. so, yeah, you might say that she's forcing "third-world-power tropes into...gansta hustling ones," but you might also say that she's using the universal language of pop to talk about her specific situation. why assume that she's given no thought to why these things should be linked? why even passively suggest that they shouldn't be linked? might not the marginalization, oppression and criminalization of one group resonate with others in a roughly similar situation? and doesn't the glamor and power of american pop speak/appeal to the world at large?
shit, one interesting thing about the song is the way it inverts "straight to hell", lyrically. like MIA, the clash jacked outlaw signifiers right and left, but "straight to hell" is a white westerner's statement about the condition of those left behind by the callous application of western power, focusing on their abjection, betrayal and shame. in describing the condition of the exiled and despised cast-offs of american imperialism, it gives voice to a scalding contempt that's supposed to shock you into moral outrage - as a complicit westerner. it's a mean-spirited song no matter how you slice it, though, and i can't imagine anyone feeling good about its implications, no matter which side of song's fence they happened to be sitting on (english, american or vietnamese). "paper planes" inverts this, presenting a "despised outsider's" view from the inside, not ruined and ashamed, but joyous and rudely confrontational. which seems pretty clever to me.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 13 May 2010 10:32 (thirteen years ago) link
When Paper Planes first came out, I thought of it as a decent song, but it really clicked in my mind as a hit when I heard it in the Pineapple Express trailer because then I realized "Aha, the perfect song for a film about stoners turned imaginary gangsters". It's the perfect combination because Paper Planes really isn't about M.I.A. being a hard ass, it is more of a hazy fantasia about "Thug Life".https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OOHLWIAFSo
― Moodles, Thursday, 13 May 2010 13:39 (thirteen years ago) link
hit, one interesting thing about the song is the way it inverts "straight to hell", lyrically. like MIA, the clash jacked outlaw signifiers right and left, but "straight to hell" is a white westerner's statement about the condition of those left behind by the callous application of western power, focusing on their abjection, betrayal and shame. in describing the condition of the exiled and despised cast-offs of american imperialism, it gives voice to a scalding contempt that's supposed to shock you into moral outrage - as a complicit westerner. it's a mean-spirited song no matter how you slice it, though, and i can't imagine anyone feeling good about its implications, no matter which side of song's fence they happened to be sitting on (english, american or vietnamese). "paper planes" inverts this, presenting a "despised outsider's" view from the inside, not ruined and ashamed, but joyous and rudely confrontational. which seems pretty clever to me.
Excellent. This is how I interpreted it too.
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 May 2010 13:45 (thirteen years ago) link
deej, no one needs to explain why "paper planes" is good, just as you don'tneed to defend not liking "paper planes." But to call her out for being amusical and derivative just because you don't like what she adds to the clash sample is bullshit because she adds just as much to the hook (a beat, new sing-verses, a chorus) as most rappers and dancehall artist add to the hooks they bite. and you're still acting like "paper planes" is the only track she dropped, as if you admitting the "straight to hell" sample is the best part of that song explains why people raved about the album she made before it.
I realize I'm repeating myself to death here but hey it's ILM.
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 May 2010 13:48 (thirteen years ago) link
that should be "sing-song verses"
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 May 2010 13:49 (thirteen years ago) link
i like "paper planes" despite some clunky verses because it's catchy, fun, and it works good behind both the pineapple express trailer and a video of MIA working a falafel truck (which was especially cool to see on a big screen in times square). if you don't enjoy it, fine, but don't tell me she sucks BECAUSE she just dropped rhymes over a piece of a great song and stuck a beat on it! people have been making great music that way for decades.
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 May 2010 13:56 (thirteen years ago) link
haha looking over last night's rants i realize that my last few posts are even more redundant than i realized. sorry!
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 May 2010 14:03 (thirteen years ago) link
in the interest of finding something new to talk about, here's a video by MIA's man's band, the Exit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxT7wSC3520
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 May 2010 14:10 (thirteen years ago) link
here's one where he sings rather than just stares meaningfully at the camera
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=VUJp_jeKMy8
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 May 2010 14:11 (thirteen years ago) link
having reread the entire last week of this argument i think this is the most otm thing anyone posted:
it is a fool's errand at best to try to figure out why "people" like paper planes (tho if i had a gun to my head i'd actually agree with adam bruneau--whenever i've heard this song in a club it seems like people grab onto the chorus and the sound efx in partic) but i have no idea what is "challenging" about saying that m.i.a. is a weak vocalist with a very limited persona whose voice and on-record presentation don't really bring much to the table.
paper planes is a catchy tune no doubt but i think her limitations as a performer and the issues with whatever she's trying to get across lyrically also make it a v. problematic one.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 13 May 2010 14:24 (thirteen years ago) link
pull up the people is awesome
― plax (ico), Thursday, 13 May 2010 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
i have no idea what is "challenging" about saying that m.i.a. is a weak vocalist with a very limited persona whose voice and on-record presentation don't really bring much to the table.― call all destroyer
― call all destroyer
― contenderizer, Thursday, 13 May 2010 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link
and pull up the people is awesome
― contenderizer, Thursday, 13 May 2010 23:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't understand why it is important for MIA to have a complex persona to be entertaining when it isn't a requirement for anyone else.
― Have a slice of wine! (HI DERE), Friday, 14 May 2010 03:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno there are lost of 1-dimensional personas i find offputting dan ... this isnt a double standard. i.e. Drake/Rick Ross/etc etc (& i mean i like some rick ross songs but i certainly dont think hes deserving of like critical rap nerd hosannas either)
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Friday, 14 May 2010 04:21 (thirteen years ago) link
*lots
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Friday, 14 May 2010 04:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i think m.i.a.'s got a great voice, and more often than not it totally rescues her songs from their shallowness
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 14 May 2010 08:16 (thirteen years ago) link
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― Doctor Casino, Friday, 14 May 2010 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, M.I.A. does have a great voice, I agree lex, but in this entire thread, I wish we could combine contenderizer's posts with tipsy mothra's, and then there would be pretty much no need to argue any more.
― Lostandfound, Saturday, 15 May 2010 04:37 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd120/hipsterrunoff/photographs/hro/1cd21324.jpg
― ksh, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link
ha
― The Reverend, Thursday, 20 May 2010 04:37 (thirteen years ago) link
won't uploaders just call it Maya?
― micarl, Thursday, 20 May 2010 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
so obvious when u think about it
egg all over carles's face
― long time listener, first time balla (history mayne), Thursday, 20 May 2010 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
that's not egg
― Have a slice of wine! (HI DERE), Thursday, 20 May 2010 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
this is the next search result after Y!Finance, lol
/y/ - Yaoiy/ is 4chan's imageboard for posting yaoi hentai images.boards.4chan.org/y/
― a rush of blood to my member (Future_Perfect), Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
should've named the album MA/Y/AOI
― a rush of blood to my member (Future_Perfect), Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:48 (thirteen years ago) link
AOI: POLEMIX
― some dude, Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Just wanted to jump in here to say that MIA is one annoying, self-important person. Thank you.
― Vanilla Douche (res), Friday, 21 May 2010 00:47 (thirteen years ago) link
did she really say "i could afford to have you killed now" ?
― kumar the bavarian, Friday, 21 May 2010 03:01 (thirteen years ago) link
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/05/mia.html
the bit about her father is iiiiinteresting
― long time listener, first time balla (history mayne), Thursday, 27 May 2010 09:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Unity holds no allure for Maya — she thrives on conflict, real or imagined. “I kind of want to be an outsider,” she said, eating a truffle-flavored French fry.
...is the money line, I think.
― Stevie T, Thursday, 27 May 2010 09:46 (thirteen years ago) link
haha yeah i just picked that out too. the original piece is fantastically written.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 27 May 2010 10:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Just heard XXXO for the first time. Ropey as fuck. Having heard three new songs now I'm not optimistic about the new album at all. Feels like MIA's been told she's an Important Artist so often she's lost sight of what made her good in the first place.
― The Men Who Stare At Goatse (Matt DC), Thursday, 27 May 2010 11:18 (thirteen years ago) link
A song with even a half-decent beat would be nice for starters.
― The Men Who Stare At Goatse (Matt DC), Thursday, 27 May 2010 11:19 (thirteen years ago) link
oh, comeback
http://twitter.com/_M_I_A_/status/14841407386
― English: The Money Woman (history mayne), Thursday, 27 May 2010 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
who?
― i don't care if big daddy kane signed your mommas tits (The Reverend), Thursday, 27 May 2010 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link
MIKE JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWNS
new york times wrote an article saying mia was a bit of a ninny; mia responds by posting the journo's contact deets
― English: The Money Woman (history mayne), Thursday, 27 May 2010 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
that's the journalist's number and not her own?
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Thursday, 27 May 2010 15:58 (thirteen years ago) link
call and find out!
― English: The Money Woman (history mayne), Thursday, 27 May 2010 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, what?
― i don't care if big daddy kane signed your mommas tits (The Reverend), Thursday, 27 May 2010 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link
I just tried. It's a full mailbox under the journalist's name. That's a proper dick move.
― The Men Who Stare At Goatse (Matt DC), Thursday, 27 May 2010 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
really doe
― i don't care if big daddy kane signed your mommas tits (The Reverend), Thursday, 27 May 2010 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Thursday, 27 May 2010 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually I think the journalist is being a bit of a dick for having a go at MIA for - shock horror - moving to a neighbourhood full of rich white people like she's the only non-white pop star ever to have done that. And the bit about her having the temerity not to have a water birth is lame.
The bit about the politics is superb.
― The Men Who Stare At Goatse (Matt DC), Thursday, 27 May 2010 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link
We should campaign for a Suggest Ban button on Twitter.
wow. classy
― dmr, Thursday, 27 May 2010 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
looool
if i was lynn hirschberg i'd just be like, told ya she was a dick.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 27 May 2010 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
An MIA/Wiley Twitter beef would honestly be the best thing of all time.
― The Men Who Stare At Goatse (Matt DC), Thursday, 27 May 2010 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
hirschberg's pretty infamous for these kinds of takedowns by now right? seems like celebs would avoid her like the plague.
― tylerw, Thursday, 27 May 2010 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
wtf is up with that twitter? isnt she like 35?
― kumar the bavarian, Thursday, 27 May 2010 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
has mia really been called out that much for her idiocy? most of the media reaction has been unthinking "ooh controversial" which is exactly what she wants, i doubt she's used to someone cutting through the BS. i know hirschberg did a takedown of courtney love, who else?
xp yeah early 30s i think
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 27 May 2010 16:11 (thirteen years ago) link
otm. she did that David O. Russell piece right? or wait, no, that was Sharon Waxman.
― dmr, Thursday, 27 May 2010 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link
isn't david o. russell a fuckin' maniac basically?
― m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 27 May 2010 16:13 (thirteen years ago) link
total bullshit to give out somebody's phone number in response to getting press you didn't like imo
if you don't want people to write what they think about it, stay out of the music biz imo, I may be mr. whiny baby about politics & stuff but you don't hear me complaining about bad reviews, that's kids' stuff imo
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 27 May 2010 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Feels like MIA's been told she's an Important Artist so often she's lost sight of what made her good in the first place.
Her music is obviously great but this interview looks to be pretty rough for her. It's hard to be a convincing revolutionary when you're engaged to the son of the Seagram owner.
― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 27 May 2010 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link
The NYT article is kinda hilarious:
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 27 May 2010 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link
What Maya wants is nearly impossible to achieve: she wants to balance outrageous political statements with a luxe lifestyle; to be supersuccessful yet remain controversial; for style to merge with substance. “If you want to be huge, you have to give up a lot,” Michelle Jubelirer, Maya’s longtime lawyer, told me. “Maya vacillates between wanting to be huge and maintaining her artistic integrity. That’s her dilemma.”
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link
you don't hear me complaining about bad reviews
goes beyond bad review, more like her LIFE gets a bad review
but yes the phone # thing is so juvenile
and the NYT article is hilarious
― dmr, Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Is this even legal?
― ◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝ (Ówen P.), Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
_M_I_A_ NEWS IS AN OPINION! UNEDITED VERSION OF THE INTERVIEW WILL BE ON neetrecordings THIS MEMORIAL WEEKEND!!! >>>>
― tylerw, Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i will get some truffle fries and listen
What Maya wants is nearly impossible to achieve: she wants to balance outrageous political statements with a luxe lifestyle;
this makes no sense - not only is it possible, it's been done a million times before.
love ya MIA don't ever change. I, for one, have zero problems with political posturing (however "hypocritical") and provocateurism from pop icons.
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:38 (thirteen years ago) link
NEWS IS AN OPINION
― max, Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Maya feels that Gaga is not original, that she mostly borrows from the Abba playbook, and she gets annoyed when Gaga is compared to Madonna. “You can’t really say that Gaga is culturally a change,” Maya said. “Madonna was truly unique.” Gavras nodded. “And Madonna was pretty,” he said. “Pop stars should be pretty.”
i'm not a fan of gaga but this kind of hat0rade is getting pretty tired
― don cab for cutie (Future_Perfect), Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:38 (thirteen years ago) link
outrageous political statements with a luxe lifestyle;
the ClashIce CubeJohn Lennonetc.
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link
then again, maya should be happy with this pic -- wow!http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l33a2aecVz1qz6g6ao1_500.png
― tylerw, Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Hey xhuxk, what's your phone number again?
― ◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝ (Ówen P.), Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link
outrageous political statements with a luxe lifestyle;the Clash
the Clash
Outrageous political statements??????? The Clash?!??!
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd120/hipsterrunoff/photographs/hro/d23f1fc0.jpg
― English: The Money Woman (history mayne), Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
um yr kidding... right?
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link
hro seems like the only appropriate outlet for a story like this
― max, Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
NYT comment box poster OTM:
From this 9 page article, she comes off as a walking talking Che t-shirt, a mangled mix of confused politics, pop-hop and a blend of cheap fashion accessories. Her gross ignorance of the Sri Lankan conflict and outright support of a known terrorist organization is unforgivable.This has become such a boring and repetitive affair. Another rich and extravagant pop star who munches on truffle-filled french fries, while sitting in posh Brentwood mansion, espousing grade school level geo-political ideas while praising war and violence in the name of 'justice'. This is the prototypical Che Guevarra t-shirt syndrome.But at least her music is somewhat danceable.
This has become such a boring and repetitive affair. Another rich and extravagant pop star who munches on truffle-filled french fries, while sitting in posh Brentwood mansion, espousing grade school level geo-political ideas while praising war and violence in the name of 'justice'. This is the prototypical Che Guevarra t-shirt syndrome.
But at least her music is somewhat danceable.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
i bet she's just really pissed that she's on her way to being another boring eccentric rich cornball mommy in Brentwood, the lamest, richest,yuppiest neighborhood ever
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
this nyt story is hilarious
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Idi Amin
― CUSE EX MACHINA (jjjusten), Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:52 (thirteen years ago) link
she has many years of freaking the neighbors out while escorting her dogwalker around the neighborhood with her outrageous print dresses and jewelry
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:52 (thirteen years ago) link
carles manages to eyeroll the original piece while picking out the bloggable bits: a tour de force:
Srsly. She made the situation in Sri Lanka even worse. She doesn’t even know what she is talking abt.
― English: The Money Woman (history mayne), Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
just saying that when she dies and they find the refrigerator full of music journos heads you heard it here first
― CUSE EX MACHINA (jjjusten), Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
thank god google shut down my music blog
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
but animated gifs COULD bring about peace in sri lanka
http://img.ffffound.com/static-data/assets/6/6b751cfd54738d27864bdffedb320546cffc69e3_m.gif
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I blame truffles
― ◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝ (Ówen P.), Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
this is just standard "you are too rich to actually care about the poor" sorta bullshit
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
i've never had truffle fries, are they good? i'm not even entirely sure what they are.
― tylerw, Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link
they're fucking incredible (french fries covered in truffle oil)
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
just truffle oil on fries nothing really special
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
xp nm
yeah, i'll have to find a place around here that serves them ....
― tylerw, Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link
fries made out of poor third world children iirc
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link
yes they are, and im kinda amused that they're being held up as some sort of mark of the wealthy since i think i paid uh the princely sum of $5 the last time i had them
xposts
― CUSE EX MACHINA (jjjusten), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.observer.com/2010/media/lynn-hirschbergs-response-mia-tweet-fairly-unethical-and-infuriating
"The messages have mostly been from people trying to hook up with M.I.A.," she said. "If she wants to get together with John at Bard next week, I have his number."
― Andy K, Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
lolll
― tylerw, Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:02 (thirteen years ago) link
hirschberg, cold as ice
fries w/ toppings I have eaten, rankedcarne asada fries chili cheese friespastrami friestruffle friesfoie gras fries
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:02 (thirteen years ago) link
And wait! Breaking! M.I.A. has tweeted again. This time, she tweeted, "NEWS IS AN OPINION! UNEDITED VERSION OF THE INTERVIEW WILL BE ON neetrecordings THIS MEMORIAL WEEKEND!!!"
"I have no idea what she's talking about," said Ms. Hirschberg.
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
don't know if saltado de pollo counts, don't know why it wouldn't tho
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5whaRkuipU
― Andy K, Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
it's near the top
see, this is where that stupid stunt is kind of hilarious; because of how she worded that tweet, it sounded like it was her number so of course it's mostly going to be ppl going "zomg we gotta hang out, don't ice me bro"
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link
carne asada fries, eh? what's happening there?
― tylerw, Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link
(sorry for being such a low class french fry guy, i don't live in brentwood ;_;)
basically nachos w/ fries instead of chips
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link
so hungry right now
― tylerw, Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link
truffle oil is bullshit imo
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link
carne asada, guacamole, some salsa, cheese, don't remember if there were beans on it or not
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link
chili cheese fries are gross, tho
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I was young and high and eventually full enough to forget the world
i support poutine when it comes to fries
― CUSE EX MACHINA (jjjusten), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:57 AM Bookmark
which still doesn't take away from the fact that giving out the journo's # was a total asshole move
― i don't care if big daddy kane signed your mommas tits (The Reverend), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Thursday, May 27, 2010 11:06 AM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark
yeah done wrong they can be pretty bad
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:07 (thirteen years ago) link
― max, Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I am not a "foodie" but I think I read something about how most truffle oil is "fake" truffle oil so yeah if you're paying $5 for truffle fries it's probably the b.s. truffle oil
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:07 (thirteen years ago) link
eat yr fries
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link
oh this is probably what I read:http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/16/dining/16truf.html?_r=1&ref=dining
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i like some mia records but "caring about the poor", really?
― English: The Money Woman (history mayne), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry it's not about pop provocateur MIA but it's actually pretty interesting
eh probably. at the same time, it is funny.
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link
but when you're reading that NYT article about synthetic truffle oil, please remember NEWS IS AN OPINION
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link
from max's link:
And wait! Breaking! M.I.A. has tweeted again. This time, she tweeted, "NEWS IS AN OPINION! UNEDITED VERSION OF THE INTERVIEW WILL BE ON neetrecordings THIS MEMORIAL WEEKEND!!!""I have no idea what she's talking about," said Ms. Hirschberg.
― ksh, Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link
are fries an opinion
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link
AndyK: Invisible Man
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:50 PM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i was going to say, the artists who get lots of overwhelmingly positive press always seem to be the ones that get really sensitive and immature about any bad press, so really kudos to you for being a counterexample dude
― Christina NAGLera (some dude), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I suppose we can just keep reposting and quoting that link every 20 posts or so if people really want to
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link
whether or not she genuinely "cares about the poor" is beside the point - what I was referring to is that people (such as Hirschberg in this piece) see her spouting crypto-leftist platitudes and see that as being incompatible with her wealth+fame. which, imho, is a poorly thought out, bullshit criticism.
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/63/230668076_090666ac92.jpg
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
this isn't about rich person not caring about the poor--this is about m.i.a. being a moron
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
never knew I would grow up to sit around and look at pictures of french fries on google image search
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Do you like the music of M.I.A.? Do you listen to her lyrics, or do you just like the beat? The Times Magazine examines the politics of the Sri Lankan musician, who has been called a terrorist sympathizer by some. In general, do you pay attention to political messages in music? What musical artists past or present do you think have been particularly deft at getting across political messages?http://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/27/what-can-you-learn-about-politics-from-pop-songs/
http://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/27/what-can-you-learn-about-politics-from-pop-songs/
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link
hoo boy
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:19 (thirteen years ago) link
http://relevantreverend.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/theologianpatrick.jpg
― tylerw, Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link
the yardstick being used to measure her moron-ness is her professed politics and grandstanding tho. it's like when people would give Mick Jones shit for Sandinista! by pointing out that he didn't actually CARE about the conflict in Nicaragua, he was too busy snorting coke in NY nightclubs or whatever. which totally misses the point that Sandinista! is a pretty interesting and weird record with lots of great stuff on it, and that it's nods to the politics of the time paint an enduring and informative picture of the musical and political landscape of the 80s.
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link
shakey i was basically with you on this until she went all twitterdouche. now i just wanna say the truffle fries line was gold but don't sleep on the olive bread yo.
Maya’s tirade, typical in the way it moved from the political to the personal and back again, was interrupted by a waiter, who offered her a variety of rolls. She chose the olive bread.
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
like I don't give a shit if MIA's got a deeply nuanced opinion about the Tamil conflict, or has misrepresented who her dad actuall is/what he does - it's informed her work in an interesting way. Certainly it raised the profile of the conflict way above what it had before in the western media. and it adds another dimension to her work. obfuscation and exploitation of personal details often work this way with artists.
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not defending twitterdoucheness btw - it's a dick move. albeit a funny one, and totally in character.
okay what i took away from that interview was less 'mia doesn't care abt poor ppl, eats fancy foods' and more 'mia loves saying the word 'terrorist''
― naglpuss (c sharp major), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link
It's probably too late to change the title of this thread to something like MIA (Michaela Grobelny, German techno producer), huh?
― Andy K, Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link
not like hirschberg is some hothouse flower who can't take it. courtney love did try to brain her with an oscar and she's still standing.
btw it was prolly la brea bakery rosemary olive tbh
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4072/4324477950_860a8cd19a.jpg
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link
shakey totally otm
― i don't care if big daddy kane signed your mommas tits (The Reverend), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
ooh that's tempting
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
'mia loves saying the word 'terrorist''
lol is this really news to anyone
Piracy Funds Truffle Fries btw
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
"It's upsetting when babies say ga-ga now. It used to be innocent. Now, they're calling her name."
No yardstick is needed to determine if this statement is moronic.
― Andy K, Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link
it's not as if the other m.i.a. doesn't have enough threads elsewhere people could have used, FORKSCLOVETOFU
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Maya’s tirade, typical in the way it moved from the political to the personal and back again, was interrupted by a waiter, who offered her a variety of rolls. She declined in an expression of solidarity with opressed Tamils.
― Scelsi Hotel (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link
oppressed, even
o-pressed (ie, pressed until orgasm)
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgKvtb_gq5E
― Andy K, Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
oh I dunno, I lol'd. what I take from that is that MIA is really paranoid/competitive with LGG and made a lame joke about it
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i think the yardstick is more her affinity for contradictory bullshit that borders on straight up lying and the fact that she is firmly of the school of say something that sounds challenging without worrying about what it actually means.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link
when has this woman ever played nice? all the Gaga references (lame and otherwise) are just a part of her whole rebel schtick. she's the contrarian's pop star...for better or for worse.
― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean also i don't think the problem is as much that she doesn't understand sri lanka as the way she exploits it and her personal connection to it.
but whatever my dislike of maya is on record all over the place so i'm done i think.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
say something that sounds challenging without worrying about what it actually means.
welcome to pop music
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:52 (thirteen years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link
blackwater has the best sportswear
― dmr, Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^statement in the grand tradition of pop music there
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:54 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway carles pretty much nails the whole thing so
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 27 May 2010 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link
^ this line is kind of dumb tbh
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:05 (thirteen years ago) link
SHE CHOSE THE OLIVE BREAD!
WRONG CHOICE.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link
true revolutionaries choose wheat rolls
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:10 (thirteen years ago) link
could be said about the Beatles, Public Enemy, the Clash, the Sex Pistols (Anarchy in the UK anyone?), NWA/Cube, Ice-T, ad infinitum
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link
galang galang pour salt on my mango
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
MIA as a female KRS-One does seem to be about right
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Now I want some olive bread.
― Brio, Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Channeling Homer J Simpson's "Its just nonsense, like ramma-lamma-ding-dong, or give peace a chance!"
― Cunga, Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Shakey Mo is completely OTM.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
That said I think pieces like Hirschberg's are also awesome. Esp. why they cause pop stars to freak out completely!
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:17 (thirteen years ago) link
haha
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Honestly, this article told me a lot more about Diplo than MIA, who I already knew was a shticky loudmouth married to a Bronfman.
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean damn that guy must have some resentments
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I also want to see the "UNEDITED VERSION"!
"My tirade, typical in the way it moved from the political to the personal and back again, was interrupted by a waiter, who offered me a variety of rolls. I chose the olive bread which was delicious. That vicious cunt Lynn chose some baguette thing which she picked at but didn't eat since she subsists on hate alone."
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link
wait carles blogs for the ny times now?
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
the "questions for later study" parts of carles' posts are so genius
bloggers sure do like to pretend to be interested in their readers' opinions to increase pageviews
― ksh, Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link
A+ content, but you need to type like a dyslexic third grader to get the Authenticity Factor.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
why does the writer say her fans don’t listen to the lyrics? Has she met them all?And what does she have against french fries? These are trite comments.— Kevin
― dmr, Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
"I mean damn that guy must have some resentments"
Yeah no kidding. Bitter bitter.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
if I were hirshberg I'd change my outgoing voice mail message to this
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:31 (thirteen years ago) link
So there is going to be a Courtney/MIA collaboration track now, surely.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:31 (thirteen years ago) link
courtney will contribute her vocals via twitter
― tylerw, Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link
lol like Courtney would ever tolerate sharing the spotlight with another woman
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Diplo said, “I made her sing.” He was a producer of her first album as well as “Paper Planes” and was also Maya’s boyfriend for several years. “Maya is a big pop star now, and pop stars sing,” he said. “For me, making this record wasn’t easy. In the past, we were a team. But Maya wanted to show us how much she didn’t need us. In the end, Maya is postmodern: she can’t really make music or art that well, but she’s better than anyone at putting crazy ideas into motion. She knows how to manipulate, how to withhold, how to get what she wants.”
this quote is nuts
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link
u guys were saying diplo is bitter, not husband guy, right?
Diplo's always seemed like a dick to me
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link
When Richard Russell, the head of XL Recordings, Maya’s British label, visited the house, he told her it reminded him of how the Rolling Stones recorded the classic album “Exile on Main St.” in a villa in the South of France in the ’70s. “I told Richard I felt so disconnected from the world I had known,” Maya recalled. “And he said, ‘The best music can come out of that.’ It was certainly different. I’d be writing lyrics upstairs, and Blaqstarr would be doodling downstairs, and I’d hear bass lines through the floorboards. I’d get inspired and leave the baby monitor on and go down to the studio. There is almost no cellphone reception at my house, and we couldn’t always find our land lines. It was easy to shut the outside world out. And I was making music for me again.”
lolololol waht
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link
she’s better than anyone at putting crazy ideas into motion. She knows how to manipulate, how to withhold, how to get what she wants
"...now let me tell you about this Major Lazer guy I discovered."
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I saw that too, and wondered who in France still has land lines.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe she meant to say "land mines."
loooooooooooooool
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link
totally. sure the bronfman dude is a total bro
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
dude makes some mean truffle fries i heard
― tylerw, Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
"u guys were saying diplo is bitter, not husband guy, right?"
Yes.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess personally for me MIA wouldnt need to be so subtle and measured if she was atually more "authentic" bc her voice would feel like a "genuine voice of the oppressed" but when she is some rich broad getting a boner for terrorist dudes w/ hot nikes and watching utube in beverly hills not so much, i know that makes me an asshole but whatevs
― plax (ico), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
this kind of shit is better than the music
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
ppl get defensive & butthurt when other ppl say things about them that are true but they've been denying to themselves -- sorry mia
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
mia is a dumbass but i would totes bang the fuck out of her to cnn
― plax (ico), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
it is kind of amazing, though, how she is saying all kinds of fantastically stupid shit and still manages to come across as being more pleasant to be around that Diplo
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
"I saw that too, and wondered who in France still has land lines."
I think they are talking about MIA's house in Beverly Hills, not the Exile house.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
diplos is bitters
― m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Because she comes across as naive and clueless, whereas Diplo is just an asshole.
xxp
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link
During her interview for the school, Maya says, she told the admissions officer that if he didn’t accept her application, she would become a prostitute or a crackhead or the best criminal in the world. “I said to him, ‘Don’t make me do it,’ ” she says now, smiling. “ ‘If you don’t let me in, there’s only one option: I become a hooker.’ He said, ‘That is emotional blackmail.’ It might have been, but I couldn’t stand that one person had that much power over my life, that if he said yes or no, it would change everything.”
this is fucking outstanding, though
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^just fyi this is the part that makes you an asshole, not the other stuff
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
who gives a fuck about her biography except us dickheads on ILE?
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
In 2003, Maya turned up here and said, ‘I heard you’ve been looking for me,’ ” Russell told me when I went to see him. “She decided that we were going to put out her music. And since Maya is able to will the universe and is an obvious force of nature, I found myself saying yes.”
hahahahaha
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
jokes shakey
― plax (ico), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
for one thing
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Science/Images/gay-pride-parade-toronto.jpg
― plax (ico), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
lolololol
sorry
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
its okay im at peace w/ it u kno
― plax (ico), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link
brb, sudden urge to buy a six-pack
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
of truffle oil?
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
truffle oil would def. complete the above pic. for me
― plax (ico), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
and the winner of the most creative use of truffle oil award goes to...plax(ico)
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I have to say, it's kind of amusing how some of the excerpts are way less jarring/idiotic etc in the context of the piece.
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I dunno. The quotes are way more amusing out of context.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I read the piece yesterday and thought, "Oh, she's become `unpredictable' in that boring star way."
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Like, for example, the Blackwater thing; it's pretty clear she's talking about appropriating a specific style and applying it to a different function from the flow of the piece, yet the narration tries to subvert the story its telling by editorializing about how the idea doesn't make any sense when it actually does.
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link
the few people who court controversy these days seem to be trying way too hard in my opinion
either that or we've all been paying attention to this sort of thing so long that it'd take a totally loose cannon to really get my attention
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link
wtf is up with that twitter? isnt she like 35?― kumar the bavarian, Thursday, May 27, 2010 11:09 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this. is she straining to sound youthful? her twitters (tweets? whatever.) read like those of a preteenager.
the olive bread and truffle fry lines are cheap shots, but there's way more than enough in that article, anyhow, to out her as a callow poseur. but we all knew that already.
― by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link
did we
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
wasn't till i learned about her bread prefs that i could comfortably 'call it'
a callow poseur on the pop charts?!? say it ain't so
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
how I long for the authentic pop stars of yore, yr Puffys, yr Lady GaGas, yr Lil Waynes...
Those guys are all FAKES, it's all about Miley and Selena and Biebs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
so shakey is your point that this isn't even worth discussing because she's "pop" iyo?
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I think it isn't worth talking about because everyone who cares has already made up their mind one way or the other and is violently disdainful of the people who disagree with them.
In a lot of ways, she has succeeded admirably in being a reflection of 2K politics.
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I think talking about whether or not she's "authentic" is a total waste of time, as it is with any artist.
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess i have more issues with her being 32 & acting like she's 19 than her trumping up her dad's terrorist past
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought part of the point of being an artist was that you didn't have to grow up.
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link
it would be a lot less fun to poke holes in her image if she didnt come across as such an unpleasant person
― max, Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link
that quietus hit piece on florence and the machine seemed so cheap because florence came across as basically a nice lady, if a little simple
― max, Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link
this just seems like two unpleasant people spent some time together and the unpleasant person who is the writer got the last word
actually i dont know that lynn herschberg is an unpleasant person
― max, Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
she certainly hold musicians to high standards of political sophistication though
lynn hirschberg sounds awesome imo, would definitely love to sip martinis w/ lynn as long as she's not like writing a piece abt how i'm a massive asshole w/ bad table manners
― plax (ico), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
careful what bread u choose
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
jesus, i hope she never writes a story about me -- because i AM a massive asshole w/ bad table manners
― tylerw, Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
ill take the olive, but i'll be really ironic and knowing abt it, she'd be into that i think
― plax (ico), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
i tend to like snipey bitchy girls more than i like strident contrarian girls so
― max, Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
man, if my bread basket habits were documented you guys would be aghast.
― Brio, Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
lots of scratching?
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
― max, Thursday, May 27, 2010 3:28 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
this is very obv otm
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link
basically this piece is not for us, it's more like a heads-up for anyone who wasn't just enjoying her music but also taking her seriously.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
somehow I doubt that anyone who takes M.I.A. seriously is going to be dissuaded from doing so by the New York Times
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
who are these people that take MIA "seriously" and what does it mean to do so
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean I guess I do but that doesn't mean I take her political sloganeering at face value
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
i could see this piece subconsciously affecting our lesser critics to not try so hard to find MIA to be a genius, esp if the new album is difficult/crap. none of it is really news, but the rising sentiment of MIA ISN'T ALL THAT is being dignified by the grey lady here.
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
ILM most certainly takes MIA seriously -- much more so than the fans, say, who've picked up on "Paper Planes" on the radio, or found out about her from that Slumdog song, or her Grammy performance.
Whereas, on ILM we trade off discussions in a 1,000+ post thread about MIA.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm mia
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
hope all that truffle oil is consolation for ur artistic bankruptcy
― plax (ico), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
galang galang
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
OK, I am just catching up with this thread and responding to stuff from three weeks ago, but whatever: The first time I heard "Paper Planes" back in '07, I immediately noticed the "Rump Shaker" reference. It's pretty obvious! Never heard "Straight to Hell" before, so I didn't realize there was a Clash sample until months later.
― jaymc, Thursday, 27 May 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
(.)(.)
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
fwiw Hirschberg's Courtney piece really holds up (and I say that as an acknowledged Courtney stan)
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 27 May 2010 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link
don't think I ever read that... was that the one where she was smoking while pregnant or something
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Though if you guys like "Straight to Hell" interpolations, here ya go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9hXexd6A-Q
(Comes in at 2:10.)
― jaymc, Thursday, 27 May 2010 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost smoking and snorting and all sorts of whatnot. but going back now it's a really sort of extraordinary snapshot and eerily predictive -- not just of Krut's martyrdom, which was inevitable, but of, like, Courtney's Twitter account and Celebrity Skin.
Court's rap on the Minneapolis scene circa 1987 is lulz: "I just couldn't take it anywhere else [than LA]," she explains. "Minneapolis was so fucking un-pretentious. Everyone has a flannel collection and is in a band named after a welding instrument."
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 27 May 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^Court skipped Mpls because she promoted a fake Butthole Surfers concert and left town with all the cash the day before it was supposed to happen.
I'm wondering if Maya recorded the conversation she had with Lynn Hirschberg (something an interview subject will do to be all like 'you better not misquote' sometimes). But Hirschberg missed the opportunity to point out that Maya's lived off the largesse of rich hipsters for YEARS, which every third person in London could tell you.
― when the fertilizer hits the ventilator (suzy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Fuck gold, she's a platinum digger
― Moodles, Thursday, 27 May 2010 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Who else has Hirschberg eaten fries with?http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/05/who_else_has_lynn_hirschberg_t.html
― tylerw, Thursday, 27 May 2010 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
lololol
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
xxxpost suzy afaik that's one story.
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 27 May 2010 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Meaning? Am sure there are many, many more - and my sources for this particular story are unimpeachable BTW.
― when the fertilizer hits the ventilator (suzy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
shakey otm throughout thread. i'm halfway through the hirschberg piece and, whatever nyt smugness she drips aside, "her child-of-Godard mix of politics, paranoia and pop" is a pretty good argument for why mia is at least as interesting as any other pop star out there now. blaming her in any way for the general low level of understanding of things like the sri lanka conflict is a bit naive, isn't it? and she has openly set the record straight on her father for a while now, iirc.
has gaga responded to any of these jabs? would love to see the beef escalate.
― like a guttenberg, strong with your mane (another al3x), Thursday, 27 May 2010 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
suzy <3 you forever but your sources are for one story and your experience however varied is still only one person's experience ok
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 27 May 2010 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I know it's good for lolz to discuss her life but I still don't know what makes her any more a liar and scamp than any other ambitious rock artiste.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 May 2010 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
the olive bread.
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Thursday, 27 May 2010 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
dude, stop: I haven't had dinner.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 May 2010 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Disagree. I hope Gaga has more class than that.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 27 May 2010 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
does she take her fries with truffle oil then?
― like a guttenberg, strong with your mane (another al3x), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link
my god i really want to try that now
― plax (ico), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
lol more like Gaga's probably smart enough to know that not responding will make her look like the bigger star/better person and increase her cachet
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link
your move, gaga. your move.
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Gaga won't bite, she's had MONTHS and hasn't responded to Grace Jones beef, so...
JD, not my experience as such - I was away at college when it happened - but anyone who'd fuck over Lori B is a creep for realz.
― when the fertilizer hits the ventilator (suzy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
move gaga move
― like a guttenberg, strong with your mane (another al3x), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link
assuming gagalang jokes have been made already
― like a guttenberg, strong with your mane (another al3x), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link
i would think that the fact that she actually sells some records would be the thing that makes gaga the bigger star but what do i know
― CUSE EX MACHINA (jjjusten), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @CourtneyLoveUK is now all "got ur back sister" on the Twitters
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link
how mean is the actual nyt piece?
― django weingart (samosa gibreel), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i was trying to make some kinda jethro tull gagalung joke then i was all wtf am i doing w.my life
― m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:26 (thirteen years ago) link
it's really kind of subtly mean - Joan Didion would have written the definitive dismissal around the same issues I think but this one isn't so confident
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:27 (thirteen years ago) link
she just kinda sits back and waits for maya to contradict herself. it is mean, no doubt.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Didion is subtler about balancing disdain and admiration.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know if this NYT piece is quite in control of its effects.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:33 (thirteen years ago) link
to the extent that we can even conceive of an ink-stained wretch as "mean" to a billionaire-by-marriage international pop star, i suppose the piece has done its job
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link
MIA would never call a 13 year old on the ellen show and tell him to follow his dreams... mores the pity...
she has all this press to actually get across a legimate pov of tamil and just come up looking like hipster lolzzz and i have met 20 something girls with fringes who consider her their RATM.
+ that pic up there of the fries etc is how her new tracks makes me feel.
― kumar the bavarian, Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:37 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost like, "meanness" requires a certain power imbalance to be perceived as such
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:38 (thirteen years ago) link
she has all this press to actually get across a legimate pov of tamil
is this her obligation? Serious question. I guess we're entering much-trod terrain here: how coherently do we expect artists to discuss politics when most of them just exploit?
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link
if the objective of the piece is to signal to the world outside of ILX that This Is Not A Serious Person, i'd take ILX discussion of "meanness" as an index of its effectiveness in that project
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i just re-read the courtney love piece, and this seems meaner than that.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:42 (thirteen years ago) link
except that had accusations of actual harmful shit
I would sub "awe" for admiration, but yeah - Didion gives respect to those qualities which she could not begin to imagine in herself; it is one of her most towering strengths as a writer; a monster, for her, is that which she understands but is only willing to judge with reservations most of the time
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:56 (thirteen years ago) link
and yeah obv as a stylist there is nobody living within a hundred yards of Didion
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:57 (thirteen years ago) link
aerosmith, I miss you.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 00:03 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^real talk re: Didion
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 May 2010 00:03 (thirteen years ago) link
bringing up Didion is sorta not fair to other writers
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 28 May 2010 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link
alfred I miss you too - mixed a delightful gin drink tonight and thought "man, Lord Sotosyn would appreciate this, I bet"
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 28 May 2010 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Real talk.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 28 May 2010 00:32 (thirteen years ago) link
And make her more, shall we say, circumspect.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 00:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Naw dude, she doesn't have a cock, didn't you hear.
― kkvgz, Friday, 28 May 2010 00:44 (thirteen years ago) link
it's pretty obvious from Shakey's post that he meant more Gaga not responding makes her look more dignified and not that he actually thinks there's a question of who's the bigger star, but y'know why get in the way of any excuse for a zing
― Christina NAGLera (some dude), Friday, 28 May 2010 00:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I think we all know what M.I.A. has to do now (A: do an interview with John Mayer)
― Cunga, Friday, 28 May 2010 00:54 (thirteen years ago) link
She's turning 35 years old in a month, FWIW.
This article is hilarious, and depressing. But M.I.A. has *always* been full of shit and shitty contradictions - and with the really basic stuff ("Kate Moss in ads for mascara / Don't sell out to be product pushers!" --> M.I.A. is the new face of Marc Jacobs within weeks!). None of this should be particularly surprising.
Oh, and Costa Gavras' son seems like a champ, too.
― Becky Facelift, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I basically like MIA's music, but yeahhhhh, the fact that she acts literally half her age is pretty damning
― iatee, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:20 (thirteen years ago) link
http://blogs.bellinghamherald.com/media/users/zoe/madonna.JPG
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 01:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I dunno, big difference between madonna's 'act like I'm a hot 24 year old even though I'm 79' and 'act like I'm a bratty 18 year old even though I'm 35'
― iatee, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess "act like I've got hot 23-year-old body tone when I'm 50" is more repellent to my sense of dignity than a youngish woman whose politics and "worldview" are as disorderly as everyone else's.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link
eh I'm fine w/ her shitty politics (what musician has good politics? uh...)
― iatee, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:34 (thirteen years ago) link
alfred otm
at least I can look at a pic of m.i.a. without recoiling in horror
― i don't care if big daddy kane signed your mommas tits (The Reverend), Friday, 28 May 2010 01:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Ted Nugent is pretty consistent iirc xpost
― Cunga, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:36 (thirteen years ago) link
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:39 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this would totally be a cogent argument if she didn't deliberately and repeatedly make it a huge part of her image to be explaining her home country's issues to the western world. i mean you can shrug 'yo musicians are not usually v nuanced re: politics' but she's been depicted, by herself and the media, as a little more engaged and knowledgeable than your average bono wannabe.
― Christina NAGLera (some dude), Friday, 28 May 2010 01:44 (thirteen years ago) link
But that's the media's fault. What makes her music compelling to me is the degree to which she's able to marry agitprop to "1999." This will inevitably produce some uncomfortable, embarrassing moments.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link
huh? why is it the media's fault?
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link
But that's the media's fault.
blaming the press for her ridiculousness is sort of a cop-out
― Cunga, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, sorry, mayas image is as much her fault as it is the medias
― max, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm just trying to think, re some dude's point, how she's been depicted as knowledgeable and engaged. Maybe I missed an article or two. Like I said upthread, she's as much a spokesperson for Third World rage as Madonna for Catholic repression.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean hirschberg quotes the sri lankan activist whos like, "maya is making the situation worse"
― max, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link
without having to search out specific interviews, the fact that a democracy activist has a strong opinion abt the real-world effects of her posturing tells me that shes selling herself in a certain way
― max, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link
imo if you causally drop genocide and personally getting shot at into your interviews you should know what the fuck you're talking about but hey it's just pop right?
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:58 (thirteen years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Thursday, May 27, 2010 8:58 PM (2 seconds ago) Bookmark
when did we start talking about hillary clinton, amirite
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 May 2010 01:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe Madonna's a more useful influence than we think. Anyone here around in 1986 -- when the media depicted Madonna as a Serious Artist knowledgeable and engaged on any number of subjects: teen pregnancy, Catholicism, and whatnot? Obviously the analogies crumble after a while. Madonna even then was a more conventional songwriter in the verse-chorus-verse sense than M.I.A. But she pissed off or confused a lot of people because she seemed to be making a hash out of the Serious Issues her songs and videos were about (I know a few fortysomethings have never actually forgiven her for it). As for me, it's easier from the safety of distance to see that she was just an artist of unusually strong appetites who used teen pregnancy, Catholicism, celibacy, and whatnot as the carapace behind which she created a handful of delirious pop moments.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah sure that just seems different to me tho--and it gets at why maya is so much more galling than a dork like bono who believes in world peace--the shit she is exploiting is actually completely horrible.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:02 (thirteen years ago) link
So is pregnancy if you're sixteen.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:04 (thirteen years ago) link
::sigh:: not on the level of thousands of people getting killed in a decades-long political conflict but sure ok
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:05 (thirteen years ago) link
plus Madonna incorporating totally commonplace middle America issues/problems into her music and videos is really not going to steer the general public perception of those issues the way virtually the only famous Sri Lankan in U.S./U.K. music is going to steer the image and understanding of that country.
― Christina NAGLera (some dude), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:07 (thirteen years ago) link
The lesson here is we shouldn't expect too much from our Italian-American and Sri Lankan musical avatars.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean just because you can come up with a halfway clever analogy doesn't make it magically steamroll over every detail that doesn't parallel at all (xpost)
― Christina NAGLera (some dude), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:08 (thirteen years ago) link
ffs, how many MIA fans could point out Sri Lanka on a map? xp
― iatee, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I didn't expect it to, dude.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link
it's nice that you don't expect anyone to do or say anything of worth, even yourself. it must be very freeing.
― Christina NAGLera (some dude), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:12 (thirteen years ago) link
damn
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:12 (thirteen years ago) link
how the fuck are you extrapolating this from what I've written?
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:12 (thirteen years ago) link
It's nice that you can't have an adult conversation. It must be liberating.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:13 (thirteen years ago) link
gotta say it's bizarre to ascribe shit like that to alfred who ime is usually one of the most reasonable ppl in these types of discussions
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:14 (thirteen years ago) link
also irony @ some dude defending shakey mo from similar cheap zings upthread
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:16 (thirteen years ago) link
haha sorry man it just felt like you came back to "this doesn't bother me but then i don't expect much from M.I.A./Madonna/pop stars/my own pet theories" as this frustrating retort to bounce off anything anyone said.
― Christina NAGLera (some dude), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/images/MIA.jpg
― ksh, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:19 (thirteen years ago) link
man i get real tired of this whole "its a pop star -- let them be as stupid as they want" kinda defense
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:19 (thirteen years ago) link
me 2
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 May 2010 02:20 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFmMGYv3mag
man i get real tired of this whole "its a politician -- let them sing as badly as they want" kinda defense
― ksh, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
No. By all means call them out for stupidities in their private lives and incoherences in their music. I'm just offering a less...manichean view.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah but isn't it the case that when it's somebody we dig, we make all manner of excuses - pop stars are just people - name the # of people you know who aren't dumb shits at least half the time - zero unless you were friends with Mother Teresa iirc - let he who does not have at least a hundred posts he'd delete himself if he could cast the 1st stone
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Dom's take on this is quite funny, for those who miss the man put out to Athenian exile.
― Cunga, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:33 (thirteen years ago) link
jd i don't know many ppl who make a pretty lucrative living by being dumb shits cuz hey it pays the bills (not that they need the money lol) and who cares if some poor ppl get fucked they got an image to maintain/desperately keep alive and the press loves it (except when they don't in which case you should act like a petulant douchebag). do you?
― balls, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:37 (thirteen years ago) link
who is balls
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:41 (thirteen years ago) link
the question that had to be asked
― ksh, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:42 (thirteen years ago) link
blunt iirc
― Christina NAGLera (some dude), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:46 (thirteen years ago) link
haha i mean blount, actual typo and not going for easy joke
― Christina NAGLera (some dude), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:47 (thirteen years ago) link
James?
― ksh, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Wait who is getting fucked by her stupidity?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link
thx some d00d
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:49 (thirteen years ago) link
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:48 PM
ben whatshisname
― am0n, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Franklin
― ksh, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link
bronfman! i'm reading this book about prohibition and how the o.g. bronfmans were smugglers and scary motherfuckers before they bough seagrams and went legit
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Feel bad for poor fucked Ben Bronfman.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:55 (thirteen years ago) link
umm no - it's just like, really? we're mad at mia because her brand of being a pop star with nothing of particular value to say is somehow more offensive than any other pop star's vacuity? also, why are you so hostile to me since you came back, I thought we was bros
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 28 May 2010 03:06 (thirteen years ago) link
― am0n, Friday, 28 May 2010 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link
btw in case you were wondering who the piece was directed at, from my fb:
J****** S****** P***** MIA is vile. lies! I feel violated.7 minutes ago · Comment · Like
J****** S****** P*****but, you know, I still like her music.6 minutes ago
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link
goodnight, guys
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
peace
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
who's 'mad' at mia? i don't even know mia! saw the 'controversy', saw the funny hirschberg response, saw the pharrell quote, laffed, glanced at ilx, saw the groupie slurping here, commenced rolling eyes. totally able to deal w/ remarkably stupid professional provocateurs and their sycophants w/out getting emotional or heavily invested: paul broun is my congressman.
― balls, Friday, 28 May 2010 03:30 (thirteen years ago) link
wait mia's groupies are getting slurped???
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 May 2010 03:34 (thirteen years ago) link
weve missed balls
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Friday, 28 May 2010 03:36 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm finding it harder to be a gentleman everyday
― ksh, Friday, 28 May 2010 03:40 (thirteen years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Thursday, May 27, 2010 11:10 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
who's that? jessa saraca parker?
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Friday, 28 May 2010 05:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i think it's worth considering her in the contexts of western pop music and the war in sri lanka. pop music - is there any other pop star right now who makes politics, however muddled, one of the central features of their music? much less radical politics? not that i know of. i don't listen to a ton of top 40 stuff though, so maybe i'm wrong -- to me it's refreshing.
after all does anyone who is active in the conflict in sri lanka (in any of the political camps), or who writes about it from there or abroad, argue that mia is actually a factor to be weighed seriously? the guy quoted in the nyt saying she helped put the tigers on the map - uh, right. whose map again? some western hipsters? having one tiny anti-sri lankan military voice in the morass of war on terror rhetoric that predominates media coverage of the conflict here isn't a problem for me (speaking from the US anyway). she's also continually stated she doesn't even support the tigers. the most damning political criticisms from hirschberg are that she put tigers on her arular art and that she isn't a pacifist.
tl;dr - xp aerosmith otm
― like a guttenberg, strong with your mane (another al3x), Friday, 28 May 2010 05:25 (thirteen years ago) link
She chose the olive bread.
― don cab for cutie (Future_Perfect), Friday, 28 May 2010 05:26 (thirteen years ago) link
having one tiny anti-sri lankan military voice in the morass of war on terror rhetoric that predominates media coverage of the conflict here isn't a problem for me (speaking from the US anyway).
glad its not a problem for you but it seems to be a problem for the guy who is actually working on sri lankan issues!
― max, Friday, 28 May 2010 05:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Did you find that quote terribly credible?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 May 2010 05:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean he seems annoyed that she's not doing anything particularly constructive, that's fine. . . but the argument that she's actually making things worse seems suspect to say the least.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 May 2010 05:46 (thirteen years ago) link
plus the opinion of one person you certainly don't know as quoted by another person you probably don't know in an obvious attempt to make somebody else look bad...
― the other is a black gay gentleman from Los Angeles (contenderizer), Friday, 28 May 2010 06:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't care. Misguided or not I miss politics in music.
― Moka, Friday, 28 May 2010 06:46 (thirteen years ago) link
*shrug* ok yall
― max, Friday, 28 May 2010 06:51 (thirteen years ago) link
― the other is a black gay gentleman from Los Angeles (contenderizer), Friday, May 28, 2010 1:01 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lol, journalism
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Friday, 28 May 2010 07:11 (thirteen years ago) link
― Moka, Friday, May 28, 2010 1:46 AM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark
lol, politics
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Friday, 28 May 2010 07:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Wasn't zinging shakey so much as pointing out that Mia gaga hatorade might be motivated by slipping it girl importance but hey ymmv or whatever.
― CUSE EX MACHINA (jjjusten), Friday, 28 May 2010 07:56 (thirteen years ago) link
The Hirschberg piece reminds me of something Steven Wells wrote in NME about Huggy Bear: "They have had their ideology combed over, examined, misinterpreted, rewritten and kicked to death a hundred times. Talk about breaking a butterfly on a wheel. If the Clash or Dylan or Bob bloody Marley had suffered such intense scrutiny they would all have failed the examination.”
Hirschberg's piece is written in such bad faith, and with such intolerance of contradiction in political pop, that any of the above would have got the same treatment from her. None of them were fully articulate and coherent when discussing politics, and none donned a hairshirt for their whole career. LH has no apparent desire to understand her interviewee, only to find more and more lines of attack. If MIA had decided to have lunch in some "authentic" down-at-heel Sri Lankan joint, or a fucking Wendy's, I've no doubt LH would have accused her of posturing - "Hey, she's rich, why is she pretending to be poor?"
I'm not saying that MIA doesn't overuse the word "terrorist", or overstate her own dangerousness, or talk a fair degree of bullshit, but LH is interested only in that. I've done interviews which could have made the subject look a lot worse if I'd favoured only the daftest remarks or harped on about what they were eating, but that wouldn't have represented the interview accurately - it's entertaining and attention-grabbing but it's also mean-spirited and cheap.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 28 May 2010 09:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i just noticed this from the piece as well:
“I wasn’t trying to be like Bono,” Maya told me. “He’s not from Africa — I’m from there. I’m tired of pop stars who say, ‘Give peace a chance.’ I’d rather say, ‘Give war a chance.’"
maya. you are not from africa!!!!! in any sense!!! wtf.
(also, i think africa has done enough of the "giving war a chance" over the years.)
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 28 May 2010 09:26 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, much as i'd like to defend outrageous quasi-political statements for their own (rare) sake in contemporary pop, there's a point at which saying stupid shit is just, you know, fucking stupid
― the other is a black gay gentleman from Los Angeles (contenderizer), Friday, 28 May 2010 09:29 (thirteen years ago) link
If the Clash or Dylan or Bob bloody Marley had suffered such intense scrutiny they would all have failed the examination
if ONLY those acts had suffered some scrutiny rather than rock writers buying into their stupid myths!
as jordan said upthread, i really resent the argument that the idea of a pop star is to be an idiot.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 28 May 2010 09:30 (thirteen years ago) link
My problem with the "scrutiny" being applied here is that, with the exception of the Tamil/Sri Lanka-specific stuff, it's the same kind of "scrutiny" that people on the right apply to middle-class socialists.
― The Men Who Stare At Goatse (Matt DC), Friday, 28 May 2010 09:33 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, the reason this is much-needed isn't because pop stars' thoughts should all be combed over for incoherence, because where would we stop - it's 100% to do with a) how m.i.a. presents herself, b) the extent to which the majority of the media has totally bought into this. sure, us music nerds have been discussing her politics for years and have mostly concluded that she speaks bullshit, but the mainstream media has barely questioned her credentials as a "revolutionary" "political" "activist" who should be taken seriously on those grounds, and that's just plain wrong. i seriously can't believe how much that stupid "born free" video was reported as though it was an actual political statement. i'm really glad she got punctured in this way, and if it takes mocking her olive bread to do it, i'm all for that.
(also harping on about mia's politics obscures discussion of her actual artistic strengths, which are actually more interesting than her stupid sloganeering.)
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 28 May 2010 09:37 (thirteen years ago) link
what does that have to do with anything? if you take advantage of celebrity's public platform to issue political proclamations, they will and should be scrutinized. i agree that maya attracts more than her fair share of criticism on such grounds, but i can't say she doesn't invite it...
― the other is a black gay gentleman from Los Angeles (contenderizer), Friday, 28 May 2010 09:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i also don't want to read too much into this, but i do think it's somewhat interesting that mia seems to be drawn to old-money privilege in her personal relationships, from justine frischmann at st martin's to her husband now.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 28 May 2010 09:40 (thirteen years ago) link
my last post was directed to the x (matt dc, not the lex). and i'm not sure i buy lex's idea that the mainstream pop media have given mia a free pass on her political seriousness and relevance. the impression i've gathered is that most writers/critics have always considered her stated politics a dubious kind of set dressing, mainstream or not.
― the other is a black gay gentleman from Los Angeles (contenderizer), Friday, 28 May 2010 09:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont understand how she is so rich tho
― plax (ico), Friday, 28 May 2010 09:43 (thirteen years ago) link
So OTM. "If you care about the poor so much why don't you give away all your possessions and live in a skip?"
Lex, you're deliberately misreading her. By "there" she clearly means the region she's talking about, ie Sri Lanka, not Africa. MIA might talk shit sometimes but I'm sure she realises Sri Lanka isn't in Africa. And, as contenderizer says, you're seriously overstating the free ride she's gotten from the press. In virtually every piece I've read there's been a degree of critique and questioning, without anyone having to resort to the truffle-fry manouevre.
The old money thing is interesting, but isn't that a classic hip hop trope? Like Jay-Z with his Bentleys and wanting to stay at the Dorchester.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 28 May 2010 09:49 (thirteen years ago) link
dorian, did you just quote steven wells to make the argument that journalists should be more deferential to their interview subjects?!?!1?
― English: The Money Woman (history mayne), Friday, 28 May 2010 10:11 (thirteen years ago) link
He was pretty deferential to musicians with lefty viewpoints, even when interviewing Belle and Sebastian he was like "why aren't you more political? You're obviously more intelligent than 99% of other pop stars".
I don't really get what scrutinising Dylan to see whether he'd thought through the economic consequences of The Times They Are A Changin' would get you. The specific issue with MIA is that she is pretty much the most prominent person from Sri Lanka anywhere in the world and therefore runs a much higher risk of doing serious damage when she shoots her mouth off.
― The Men Who Stare At Goatse (Matt DC), Friday, 28 May 2010 10:17 (thirteen years ago) link
iirc people *did* scrutinize dylan, *after* he stopped making protest records, and he gave rly oblique answers in response... happens in 'walk hard' anyway.
― English: The Money Woman (history mayne), Friday, 28 May 2010 10:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha, no not deferential at all, but not picky and snide. I've been reading some old Wells interviews with politicised musicians and he gives them every chance to explain themselves and actually seems disappointed if they let him down. He seems entirely uninterested in what they're eating. The difference being that he was broadly in favour of politics in pop music and forgiving of contradiction.
Same with Dylan interviews. He was scrutinised with a degree of good faith. Hirschberg's more in the vein of the NY Times woman who quarrelled with Lennon in Montreal, as seen in the (sadly not very good) US vs John Lennon doc.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 28 May 2010 10:30 (thirteen years ago) link
ok do you guys like remember when m.i.a. was breaking? the whole tamil tiger/third world revolutionary stuff was a HUGE part of her identity in the press (fueled no doubt by half a million press releases, interviews, etc.--in other words steered by m.i.a. and her team). and it was a big part of why, compared to other stars who had a few minor shits, she got a shitload of Serious Attention. and that serious attention did eventually translate into a higher commercial profile. so given that m.i.a. has exploited these connections/resonances willingly (and i don't use the word 'exploited' as a pejorative here) yeah i think it's worthwhile to point out hypocrisy and ignorance. why not? pop stars shouldn't be held to the same standards of political sophistication and coherence as, i dunno, michelle bachmann or something (ha), but i don't see why we should just smile and look the other way. we wouldn't necessarily do the same of a writer, a coworker, a neighbor, a classmate, etc.
― by another name (amateurist), Friday, 28 May 2010 11:03 (thirteen years ago) link
but yeah this article was more cheap shots and give-em-enough rope than actual critique. wish it were better.
― by another name (amateurist), Friday, 28 May 2010 11:04 (thirteen years ago) link
haha "minor shits" i mean "minor hits"
― by another name (amateurist), Friday, 28 May 2010 11:06 (thirteen years ago) link
^^ there was this whole thing that she was a refugee and her dad was a terrorist/freedom fighter/_______, and that therefore she spoke for the global south &c. and obviously she does more than, like, laura marling. but her dad's identity was a big part of her public image as amateurist says. so the truth does kinda matter there.
i only read the bloggable bits of the article but it seemed pretty decent really
― English: The Money Woman (history mayne), Friday, 28 May 2010 11:07 (thirteen years ago) link
“I wasn’t trying to be like Bono,” Maya told me. “He’s not from Africa — I’m from there. I’m tired of pop stars who say, ‘Give peace a chance.’ I’d rather say, ‘Give war a chance.’"maya. you are not from africa!!!!! in any sense!!! wtf.
i think she means "bono is not from the places he talks about, while i am" (meaning: i am from sri lanka, which i talk about). still a bunch of bullshit, but i doubt she is claiming to be from africa.
― by another name (amateurist), Friday, 28 May 2010 11:08 (thirteen years ago) link
There's always politics in music.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 11:10 (thirteen years ago) link
^^otm. shouting slogans doesn't necessarily mean you have anything politically meaningful to say. and not doing explicitly political material doesn't mean you don't have something politically meaningful to say. the personal is political, right.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 28 May 2010 11:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Exactly.
@historymayne, what truth are you talking about re: MIA's dad? The truth about him or the truth about the political situation? Because it stands to reason that MIA is likely to have a rather partial take on Sri Lankan politics and can be forgiven for not seeing the other side's POV to the extent that you or I might. You may be referring to something specific here, so I may be missing your point.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 28 May 2010 11:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Whatever the truth is, Maya has gone from trumpeting her father’s revolutionary past in order to claim that lineage to playing down his politics to support a separate narrative. “He was with the Sri Lankan government,” she now maintained, when I saw her in Los Angeles. “He’s been with them for 20 years. They just made up the fact that he is a Tiger so they can talk crap about me.”
this is bullshit: she totally played up her dad's cool tamil tiger image
― English: The Money Woman (history mayne), Friday, 28 May 2010 11:55 (thirteen years ago) link
idk man, if you had an northern irish singer saying 'give war a chance' i doubt they'd get a free ride. but sri lanka is a long way away so probably simpler, right?
― English: The Money Woman (history mayne), Friday, 28 May 2010 11:57 (thirteen years ago) link
i do think it's somewhat interesting that mia seems to be drawn to old-money privilege in her personal relationships, from justine frischmann at st martin's to her husband now.
she's drawn to old-world privilege in her music, too. to the extent that there's some meta-narrative in her songs, it's about not having old-world privilege and finding ways to scrape/scam/steal a chunk of it. which is why hirschberg's article would be more interesting if hirschberg understood the music better -- the truffle fries and olive bread aren't damning details the way she thinks they are, because she's not engaged with the actual songs in anything beyond some really superficial "aha, left-wing pop star hypocrite!" way.
(i think the article's very entertaining, btw. i just think that what hirschberg thinks are gotchas aren't really gotchas at all. they're more like well-duhs.)
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Friday, 28 May 2010 12:00 (thirteen years ago) link
justine frischmann had money, but 'old money privilege'? um no.
― English: The Money Woman (history mayne), Friday, 28 May 2010 12:01 (thirteen years ago) link
"idk man, if you had an northern irish singer saying 'give war a chance' i doubt they'd get a free ride."
Obviously definitions of free rides vary here, cuz I don't quite see it.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 May 2010 12:08 (thirteen years ago) link
This made me go back to a transcript of an interview I did in 2005 just as Arular came out, and even then she was at pains to point out that her dad was a Tamil revolutionary but not a Tiger (no mention of working for the govt). She knew about all the competing groups and why the Tigers came to lead the movement. She spoke a lot about the suffering of ordinary Tamils and didn't glorify the Tigers at all. She was much more into nuance than slogans. She seems to be getting more belligerent and simplistic as she gets older, which is a shame.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 28 May 2010 12:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Or maybe the UNEDITED ARTICLE will reveal a different MIA!
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 May 2010 12:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Schooling Lynn over a truffle fry!
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 May 2010 12:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Wow you guys
You know that MIA's reaction to this article is more of a takedown than the article itself, right? Why are we even arguing over this? (lol "we")
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Friday, 28 May 2010 12:10 (thirteen years ago) link
tipsy's really onto something here. Hirschberg's gotchas depend on falsely equating MIA's third world concerns with hairshirt liberalism whereas plainly, a la Paper Planes, she's bringing aspirational hip hop swagger to the issue. It's pretty obvious from her records that she wants money (because, unlike the strawman middle-class socialist, she grew up with fuck all) so why not spend it on fancy fries?
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 28 May 2010 12:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Also a 2005 Northern Irish singer who said "give war a chance" would be more successful in the US than MIA has been, especially if she was as physically attractive as MIA.
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Friday, 28 May 2010 12:12 (thirteen years ago) link
What about an Irish singer who tore up a pic of the Pope? What would happen to her?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 May 2010 12:14 (thirteen years ago) link
The "unedited article" is gonna be a bunch of stick-figure drawings.
― kkvgz, Friday, 28 May 2010 12:16 (thirteen years ago) link
x-post-ish Is it not fair to point out that Bono grew up in Ireland at the peak of the Troubles? He may be old and rich, but I bet he remembers a firsthand thing or two that MIA has only learned later in life, second-hand.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 May 2010 12:17 (thirteen years ago) link
The unedited article is going to be a video of MIA pantsing Hirschberg at a Laker game.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 May 2010 12:18 (thirteen years ago) link
"but I bet he remembers a firsthand thing or two that MIA has only learned later in life, second-hand"
Uh wait she did live in Sri Lanka until she was 8, right?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 May 2010 12:19 (thirteen years ago) link
MIA apparently the only person in the entire world who can't get away with intimating that Bono is a pompous cock.
― The Men Who Stare At Goatse (Matt DC), Friday, 28 May 2010 12:20 (thirteen years ago) link
In 2005? Or in the 90s? Context shapes impact.
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Friday, 28 May 2010 12:29 (thirteen years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, May 28, 2010 1:17 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark
he grew up in dublin so...
― English: The Money Woman (history mayne), Friday, 28 May 2010 12:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Dublin, Belfast, same diff. They're all Ireland, right?
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 28 May 2010 12:34 (thirteen years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, May 28, 2010 12:17 PM (4 minutes ago)
Bono grew up in Dublin and the troubles were confined to the north in a way that ppl dont really get outside of Ireland it seems
― plax (ico), Friday, 28 May 2010 12:37 (thirteen years ago) link
in ireland, they call them chips
― da croupier, Friday, 28 May 2010 12:46 (thirteen years ago) link
also true
― plax (ico), Friday, 28 May 2010 12:47 (thirteen years ago) link
She seems to be getting more belligerent and simplistic as she gets older, which is a shame.
learned what side the olive bread is buttered on imo
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 28 May 2010 12:49 (thirteen years ago) link
― plax (ico), Friday, May 28, 2010 8:37 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Ireland seems much smaller than it is for some reason. I would have pegged it as being as big as Vermont maybe, but it's really more like Indiana-sized.
― kkvgz, Friday, 28 May 2010 12:55 (thirteen years ago) link
why is it that every time i see a news story involving MIA, it reconfirms the sense that she is an unhinged, mentally unstable narcissist?
― Vanilla Douche (res), Friday, 28 May 2010 12:59 (thirteen years ago) link
xp well its weird that it is only a couple of hours by car to belfast but that the troubles really were a northern irish thing that didn't cross the border in a way that ppl really thought that much about
― plax (ico), Friday, 28 May 2010 12:59 (thirteen years ago) link
xp no idea? Something about you maybe?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 May 2010 13:01 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway, for everyone who is like, "an MIA song may not be an article in the atlantic but *at least she's making an effort*" and representing the tamil cause or whatever, i say bullshit. last year the sri lankan govt literally killed the fuck out of 1000s of civilians being kept 'for their own protection' in camps. and MIA's response is to basically comport herself like (word to passantino) a spastic youtube commenter/twittard, and then do a nathan barley-esque "edgy" video about killing redheads. really helping. really raising ppls' consciousness. s0 much better than apolitical pop stars like madonna/lady gaga/__________
― English: The Money Woman (history mayne), Friday, 28 May 2010 13:06 (thirteen years ago) link
"MIA's response is to basically comport herself like (word to passantino) a spastic youtube commenter/twittard"
This appears to be her response to everything these days.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 May 2010 13:20 (thirteen years ago) link
"but *at least she's making an effort*" and representing the tamil cause or whatever"
Is anyone actually saying this btw? I'll admit I haven't followed the thread to closely, but this seems like a fantasy argument to me.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 May 2010 13:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, my Ireland knowledge isn't that great, I admit. So were folks in Dublin all, huh, what Troubles? There were bombings and stuff in Dublin, too, right? Or at least threats? Regardless, Sri Lanka pre-adolescence or no, I hardly believe MIA was living on the front lines of armed conflict, fetching water for the troops. I still think it's a fair point to make, since pompous ass or not I don't think Bono has a simplistic view or the world - let alone Ireland - uncolored by conflict and war.
FWIW, I've yet to hear/read a coherent political statement from MIA. She sounds like any other dorm-room radical to me, who talks a lot of "revolution" and "terrorism" but still happily takes off her shoes at security when she flies First Class. In other words, given how media savvy she is, she's either a fucking moron or so far beyond cynical on subjects as broad as human rights or "freedom" or "America" or fashion her opinion is less than useless.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 May 2010 13:28 (thirteen years ago) link
the north was a whole different deal afaik Josh.
― henceforth we eat truffle fries (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 28 May 2010 13:29 (thirteen years ago) link
So not that it doesn't perfect sense, there was violence in the North, and in London, but not in between?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 May 2010 13:31 (thirteen years ago) link
the politics of the north were definitely a "thing" in the south -- murky history, extremely murky, but strictly speaking the ira was the enemy of the existing republic of ireland. it wanted to replace it. but it also had a lot of support in the south.
but if there were any significant killings or bombs there i've forgotten about them.
that doesn't mean bono can't talk about it. if you are going to make political statements, you'll get called on them. it isn't complicated.
there was violence in the North, and in London, but not in between?
basically yeah
― English: The Money Woman (history mayne), Friday, 28 May 2010 13:35 (thirteen years ago) link
England was an occupying force in the north. The IRA opposed English presence in Ireland. London is where English wealth & power are concentrated - I think that's the thinking anyway - this board is loaded with people who should be able to spell all this out more clearly & less Rongly than I. but the sense I got from friends in Dublin was that the north was practically a whole different world.
― henceforth we eat truffle fries (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 28 May 2010 13:38 (thirteen years ago) link
There were a small handful of loyalist bombings in the South, the biggest was in Dublin in the 70s, but yeah nothing like the scale of the violence Northern Ireland, or even in London.
― The Men Who Stare At Goatse (Matt DC), Friday, 28 May 2010 13:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Think there might have been some bombings outside London maybe fwiw.
― a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 28 May 2010 13:43 (thirteen years ago) link
England was an occupying force in the north.
well, no, but it's not really the thread for this
― English: The Money Woman (history mayne), Friday, 28 May 2010 13:47 (thirteen years ago) link
London is where English wealth & power are concentrated
so basically London is the truffle fries to Ireland's potatoes
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 28 May 2010 13:53 (thirteen years ago) link
man, what a dick move on her part.
― forksclovetofu, Friday, 28 May 2010 14:04 (thirteen years ago) link
lol so that's what all those weird "message deleted" in the Admin log are, mod's using their powers to forward the discussion in a positive fashion rather than repeating elements of the conversation. This is a reasonable and intelligent use of mod powers and exquisitely handled. Hail our mod overlords. Hail, I say!
― a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 28 May 2010 14:09 (thirteen years ago) link
pity I don't have the same power to remove that apostrophe from "mod's" there
At this point, MIA would get cred shit if she strapped on a bomb and actually blew something up. She needs to start playing up some KLF-styled prankishness and less prat-ishness. Maybe she can set fire to her LA home, tear up a picture of herself and yell "fight the real enemy!" or something? You know, get people talking.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 May 2010 14:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Why are you inciting her?
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 14:12 (thirteen years ago) link
More important than any of this, the new album title - /\/\ /\ Y /\ - is a real pain the arse to type.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 28 May 2010 14:20 (thirteen years ago) link
/\/\ /\ Y /\ this.
― The Men Who Stare At Goatse (Matt DC), Friday, 28 May 2010 14:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Album title reminds me of:
http://www.southparkstudios.com/img/content/season3/310.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 May 2010 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link
why wouldn't you just type "Maya" instead? It's not like its some untranslatable glyph.
― da croupier, Friday, 28 May 2010 14:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Also when you take out the leet-speak it's more clearly another album with the real name of an artist with a stage name, like Todd Smith or Reg Strikes Back.
― da croupier, Friday, 28 May 2010 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I think my favorite part of the article was how the meaning of 'paper planes' became a running joke throughout the article
― Face Book (dyao), Friday, 28 May 2010 14:32 (thirteen years ago) link
mia needs to get off our lawn with that funny typography shit am I right
― henceforth we eat truffle fries (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 28 May 2010 14:34 (thirteen years ago) link
read my first hipster runoff post ever thanks to this thread and some of the posting styles on ILX just make a whole lot more sense now.
― Face Book (dyao), Friday, 28 May 2010 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link
dyao with the brutal burnsauce there
― henceforth we eat truffle fries (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 28 May 2010 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link
truffles served with brutal burnsauce.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link
lol no disrespect in ten did. just didn't know that all this stuff had genesis you know
― Face Book (dyao), Friday, 28 May 2010 14:41 (thirteen years ago) link
hahaha
― iatee, Friday, 28 May 2010 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link
to be fair it's not really the thread for maya arulpragasam either, FORKS
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 28 May 2010 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link
shrug
― forksclovetofu, Friday, 28 May 2010 14:54 (thirteen years ago) link
the main thing this has all done is make me wish there was a place in town where i could get truffle fries.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/39/124363356_e3d5e4f595.jpg
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Friday, 28 May 2010 14:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, just look at those.
i should not read m.i.a. controversy threads before lunch.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Friday, 28 May 2010 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link
boo. down with truffle oil. fight the real enemy.
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Friday, 28 May 2010 14:56 (thirteen years ago) link
truffle oil spills are the most delicious kind of oil spills.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Friday, 28 May 2010 14:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I had honestly never heard of truffle fries before this thread. Still there appear to be all of three places you can get them in London so yay.
― The Men Who Stare At Goatse (Matt DC), Friday, 28 May 2010 14:59 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ srsly, i had never heard of these but now WANT
― English: The Money Woman (history mayne), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I think I've had them before but it was the $5 variety and they were okay. what I really want are some fries double or triple fried in duck fat.
― Face Book (dyao), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:01 (thirteen years ago) link
ya go for real good fries that actually taste like fries imo
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:03 (thirteen years ago) link
not ones that taste like a parody of what truffles smell like
seriously, once you sour on truffle oil you can't even smell it w/o being vaguely grossed out
duck fat fries can eat a dick and not just 'cause I'm veggo, either. the idea of making great fries is not to infuse the highest fat content imaginable into them, the idea is to his this rich/light combo perfectly & then put some flavor on 'em that costs at least $1000 a grain. try my peruvian flake fries sometime, they are the bomb
― henceforth we eat truffle fries (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
hit this rich/light combo I mean
there's a place in Denver that has Thai Ginger fries and "mac and cheese" fries ... i haven't been there. they've also got truffle fries. $7. Better be good, MIA!
― tylerw, Friday, 28 May 2010 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
duck fat shouldn't INFUSE fries with fat
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway, why would you take perfectly good fries and cover them in that shit is my point
sounds like a way to compensate for bad frymaking technique
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link
wait are you saying people eat truffle fries for a reason other than for its taste?
xps
― Face Book (dyao), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I eat truffle fries because my captors say they'll kill me if I don't
― henceforth we eat truffle fries (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:06 (thirteen years ago) link
you know, I was reading about weird cooking oils and people kept on mentioning rice bran oil as a great oil for deep frying as it imparts a 'lightness' to the final product. apparently japanese chefs love to fry up some tempura with it.
also, avocado oil is supposed to be good and has the highest smoke point of any oil ever. man some fries fried in avocado oil would be pretty good I bet.
― Face Book (dyao), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I made some homemade fries using peanut oil. did the whole parboil first/high heat fry afterwards. they were good but I dunno if it was worth the effort. I deep fried a big mac afterwards using the oil. : |
― Face Book (dyao), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i was on a culinary tour last month and at the japanese place we went to, the chef was talking up rice bran oil. never heard of it before.
― tylerw, Friday, 28 May 2010 15:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I use coconut oil.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link
where? LET'S GO
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link
rice bran oil thing intriguing
weird that it didn't come up in the MIA piece
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:10 (thirteen years ago) link
it'll be in the unedited version
― tylerw, Friday, 28 May 2010 15:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Goose fat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all other substances for frying chips in.
― The Men Who Stare At Goatse (Matt DC), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Just behind Tate Modern, for like £3.95. These are the fake truffle fries, right?
― The Men Who Stare At Goatse (Matt DC), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link
i will <3 maya so much if she changes the album name to truffle fries.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link
she should change her name to 'mayo' for maximum effect too
― Face Book (dyao), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link
what can you get for 10 dollar?ALL THE TRUFFLE FRIES
TRUFFLE FRIESgalang alang alangaTRUFFLE FRIESgalang alang alanga
we fry like truffles, get high like planes
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link
guns vs. truffle oil
― Face Book (dyao), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link
TRUFFLE TRUFFLE TRUFFLEFRY FRY FRYWHY HAS EVERYONE GOT TRUFFLE ON THEIR MIND?
― The Men Who Stare At Goatse (Matt DC), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link
aaaand let's wrap it up there.
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link
hey while we're here am I the only guy who ends up singing "my posse's on broadway" when I hear "paper planes"
― henceforth we eat truffle fries (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I've been hearing NEWS IS AN OPINION to the tune of "Language is a Virus" by Laurie Anderson
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Probably wise.
This place looks worth a go as well. Agatha Christie!
Signature dish: Wagyu burger served in a brioche bun with truffle fries.
I don't actually have the slightest clue what this involves.
― The Men Who Stare At Goatse (Matt DC), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link
losing touch with what made you human iirc
― henceforth we eat truffle fries (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link
this is everything wrong about restaurants these days
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link
wagyu = kobe beef
I propose a Truffle Fries FAP, where all of us wear gold jewelry that comes with a bodyguard
― Becky Facelift, Friday, 28 May 2010 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link
it's like the two most cliche things put in dishes to make them seem fancy and justify charging a shit ton of money, all done up in the whole "expensive comfort food" fashion
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
S1ocki you realize I fully expect you to point out the best place in Montreal for fries when I'm there.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 May 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
this is hilarious
― English: The Money Woman (history mayne), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
isn't Canada's signature dish basically french fries with a bunch of junk on top of it?
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link
ya but real SALT OF THE EARTH junk
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
xp who's junk?
― /\/\ /\ Y ( ) (dyao), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Someone should make a similarly ponced up version of the doner kebab, the people of Chelsea would go wild for it.
― The Men Who Stare At Goatse (Matt DC), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
s1ocki is so otm here
― just sayin, Friday, 28 May 2010 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link
this place in Minneapolis has smelt frieds, which are like little weird fishes fried up like french fries, they are delish
― m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
is it called he who smelt it
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Friday, 28 May 2010 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link
"Different places," she shouted, as she tossed her fries across the table.
― breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Friday, 28 May 2010 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Do you guys have whitebait on your side of the Atlantic? They'd be the closest thing over here, you eat them whole and covered in batter like fries.
― The Men Who Stare At Goatse (Matt DC), Friday, 28 May 2010 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost - Brilliant.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 May 2010 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link
― The Men Who Stare At Goatse (Matt DC), Friday, May 28, 2010 12:05 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i had a ton of these in croatia. dunno what kind of fish they were but they were the bomb (dot com)
― max, Friday, 28 May 2010 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link
what can you get for 10 dollar?ALL THE TRUFFLE FRIESTRUFFLE FRIESgalang alang alangaTRUFFLE FRIESgalang alang alangawe fry like truffles, get high like planes
Have never LOL'd so hard in my life... WOW. Thank you for this.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 28 May 2010 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i've not heard of whitebait in the midwest at least
― m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 28 May 2010 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Truffle fries are pretty good. You can find them pretty readily in Chicago.
― jaymc, Friday, 28 May 2010 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link
This is kinda true, tho.
― jaymc, Friday, 28 May 2010 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Beef marrow fries >>> duck fat fries. Peanut oil is great, too. But to be honest, the near-greaseless Cooks Illustrated oven fries are better than either. And better for you, too, which means better for THE WORLD! Then again, not as many ovens in the third world as there are big boiling vats of fat, so I guess this plays right into MIA's hands. I feel so ... bourgeois.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 May 2010 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link
And in the meantime:
http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/47336766.html
In the newest issue of Nylon, M.I.A. cautions readers against using Facebook and Google, because they're really just tools of The Man:“And you know, all governments are connected to Google, and all governments can shift their search engines so only what they want you to see comes up…I want kids to be aware of this digital circumstance…Everyone on the Internet is like, 'Oh my God, come and join Facebook!' They’re all so optimistic…and really, everyone is f*cking you up behind the screens. And I don’t like that. It makes it difficult for me to interact with my fans knowing that. Google and Facebook were developed by the CIA, and when you’re on there, you have to know that.”
“And you know, all governments are connected to Google, and all governments can shift their search engines so only what they want you to see comes up…I want kids to be aware of this digital circumstance…Everyone on the Internet is like, 'Oh my God, come and join Facebook!' They’re all so optimistic…and really, everyone is f*cking you up behind the screens. And I don’t like that. It makes it difficult for me to interact with my fans knowing that. Google and Facebook were developed by the CIA, and when you’re on there, you have to know that.”
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 May 2010 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Twitter's OK though
― ksh, Friday, 28 May 2010 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
@HelloJonte X X X ˆˆˆOˆˆˆ about 20 hours ago via web in reply to HelloJonte
Twitter was developed in RAINBO by guerrilla unicorns so
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 28 May 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
O_O u r rite
― ksh, Friday, 28 May 2010 17:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Google and Facebook were developed by the CIA, and when you’re on there, you have to know that.
Chuck D level quality trolling here
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 May 2010 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
― henceforth we eat truffle fries (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 28 May 2010 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link
We need to call Harry Allen, Media Assassin, ASAP!
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 May 2010 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link
first is was the AIDS, now its the Google
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 May 2010 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Twitter is the Black CNN
― dmr, Friday, 28 May 2010 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Twitter is the Iranian Yo! MTV Raps
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 May 2010 18:56 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost to Matt DC ... What kind of gazillionaire can afford to deep fry in goose fat? It'd be £20 for a portion of chips ...
― ithappens, Friday, 28 May 2010 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link
This place supposedly has amazing Duck Fat Fries. I'm definitely checking it out next time I'm in Chicago.
― Moodles, Friday, 28 May 2010 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link
idk man, if you had an northern irish singer saying 'give war a chance' i doubt they'd get a free ride.
When Toby Keith releases a song about pummeling N. Korea I just want to see the same "lol pop stars be talkin' politics so what" defense.
― Cunga, Friday, 28 May 2010 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I used to work a shit job at a "high-end" burger place. Occasional free truffle fries were definitely the highlight.
― Simon H., Friday, 28 May 2010 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
"lol pop stars be talkin' politics so what" defense.
this is not really what anyone is arguing...? Toby Keith and MIA political statements are probably both equally insightful - that is to say, they aren't really very insightful or nuanced at all - and whether or not a listener agrees with those politics is totally beside the point. What IS beside the point is pointing and lol'ing at Toby for the lack of depth in his political observations. Because pop songs are not a medium that facilitates nuanced and thoughtful political discourse.
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 May 2010 19:17 (thirteen years ago) link
IS ALSO
blah
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 May 2010 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link
like taking issue with Keith's stated position/lyrics in a given song okay fine, that's part of critical response to the work and all well and good - criticizing that position as being hypocritical or dishonest or overly simplified or something he shouldn't even be discussing at all, that's suspect.
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 May 2010 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I see what you're saying.
― Cunga, Friday, 28 May 2010 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link
so far she's failed to get to the nuance in three formats- twitter, popsong, and short feature. if she's gonna lay it on us, she probly needs something between long format and treatise.
― establishment man cloggin up ur spills (Hunt3r), Friday, 28 May 2010 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I disagree with you; she's got it in "popsong" but whatev.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the whole "OMG MIA's RICH" thread in the NYT article is valuable because she is advocating war and as we all know the biggest advocates of war are the rich, the people that don't have to fight, who can afford to live across the world in a gated community. I think in this context it's a good point to bring up. In an American politics context it puts her in the same class of rich congressmen who pressed going into Iraq knowing neither they nor their family would ever have to fight.
― Adam Bruneau, Friday, 28 May 2010 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link
really? I think she does a good job of incorporating the intense emotions and polarized positions and contradictions of her politics into her songs, but nuance...? eh I'm not really seein it. her stuff is not really jampacked with details and measured analysis, afaict
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 May 2010 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link
incorporating the intense emotions and polarized positions and contradictions of her politics into her songs = nuance
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
he people that don't have to fight, who can afford to live across the world in a gated community.
this may characterize her NOW, but it certainly doesn't characterize her pre-stardom life - not really a fair comparison imho
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 May 2010 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
like, her family DID have to fight (and flee). Compared to Dick Cheney's family, not one of whom ever served in the military.
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 May 2010 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah cause people around here were completely up in arms about "Beer for My Horses" and "Have You Forgotten," right
― henceforth we eat truffle fries (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 28 May 2010 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess... But that's a different kind of nuance from what people in this thread (and Hirschberg) seem to expect of her (like, clearly delineating what her father's role was with respect to the Tamil Tigers)
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 May 2010 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
well, no, Dick Cheney fled the wilds of Wyoming for the air-conditioned nightmare of the Ford White House.
xpost.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
incorporating the intense emotions and polarized positions and contradictions of her politics into her songs = complexity.
articulating the "mechanics" of the interplay of the above = nuance
― establishment man cloggin up ur spills (Hunt3r), Friday, 28 May 2010 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link
intense discussion of french fries and truffles before happy hour = hungry.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
staying on topic, would like to co-sign the recommendation for Cooks Illustrated oven fries
― tylerw, Friday, 28 May 2010 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
was lookin at that recipe looks good. is there an optimal potato type for that? i dont know much about potatoes :(
― establishment man cloggin up ur spills (Hunt3r), Friday, 28 May 2010 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
fingerling I would think
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 May 2010 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i usually use russet potatoes i think
― tylerw, Friday, 28 May 2010 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
title should have been
/\ D /\/\ /\ Y /\
― by another name (amateurist), Friday, 28 May 2010 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link
also: this thread
the cover is so awesome, the way her web junk + self portrait think has come up to date the /\/\ /\ y /\ button is pretty great
― plax (ico), Friday, 28 May 2010 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
ADMAYA?
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Friday, 28 May 2010 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
You know what would be fun? If everyone here stated their opinion on the (now concluded?) Sri Lankan civil war. Pro Tamil or pro Sri Lankan government. Just for kicks/info.
― textbook blows on the head (dowd), Saturday, 29 May 2010 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link
x-post Just good ol' Idaho potatoes, not fingerling. Delicious. And Moodles, if you want to hit Hot Doug's for duck fat fries, you have to hit it on the weekend, which means waiting in line for an hour. Fast line, and great food, and Doug is awesome, but their regular fries are awesome any ol' day.
I think dozens upon dozens of countries have experienced some major point of violent political upheaval, if not outright civil war. But in the end, someone always has to win, and they're only "the good guys" if you're on the winning side. And not always that. But intentionally targeting civilians is never excusable.
To be honest, it's not MIA's wealth or fame that bugs me or anything when she blabbers. It's that someone so aware of the world and its problems can be so blatantly not self-aware, esp. as pertains to violence/terrorism. She can not care and be all punk rock about it, but then, like, do something punk rock. Do something radical. Do something that's not just about publicity or personal gain. It's just annoying, because the implication is that she herself is somehow above the argument even while she wallows right smack dab in the middle of it. Or, as I suggested above, maybe she's even more cynical than I thought.
Madonna was smart to pretend the world was never about anything other than herself. But clearly MIA is still searching for her place/identity, and right now that identity is recent college grad, arrogant but oddly insecure, who doesn't have the balls to put her money where her mouth is. Because money/fame = security/"independence", and the world is a scary place without those things.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 29 May 2010 01:15 (thirteen years ago) link
opened the times magazine today ready for a inflammatory read but IMO the article was repetitious and ultimately boring - couldn't finish it.
― you're either part of the problem or part of the solution (m coleman), Sunday, 30 May 2010 17:05 (thirteen years ago) link
though I wondered if there was an element of parody at work, you know, sending up all those fatuous r0lling $tone profiles:"there's a civil war raging outside while Maya thoughtfully plucks a truffled fry from the steaming platter..."
― you're either part of the problem or part of the solution (m coleman), Sunday, 30 May 2010 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Thought it nailed her, or at least my idea of her, perfectly. The key bit is her bullying the fashion designers into agreeing with her - I've met hundreds of entitled middle-class ladies like that, I find them impossible to deal with.
― Ismael Klata, Sunday, 30 May 2010 17:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyone point out that the "UNEDITED INTERVIEW!!!111!!1!" is now up? http://neetrecordings.com/blog/homeBy which she meant two recordings from the interview. Not sure the significance of the second, but the first, hilarious, is DIRECTLY CONCERNED WITH THE TRUFFLE KERFUFFLE.
― sean gramophone, Sunday, 30 May 2010 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link
oh and lol just noticed the headline:HERE'S THE TRUFF
― sean gramophone, Sunday, 30 May 2010 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link
can I get a fact check please: did the CIA really develop facebook and google?
― cozen, Sunday, 30 May 2010 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
http://tinyurl.com/2d97m3x
― forksclovetofu, Sunday, 30 May 2010 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I believe they're also behind CONTROVERSIAL MODERATOR EDIT
― Ismael Klata, Sunday, 30 May 2010 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link
they're dumb enough to be.
― scott seward, Sunday, 30 May 2010 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link
guys
TRUFFLE KERFUFFLE
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Sunday, 30 May 2010 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
get whatever you want cause the New York Times is paying
― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Sunday, 30 May 2010 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
ohmyfuckinggod
at this terrible song
― history mayne, Sunday, 30 May 2010 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
lol that 'unedited interview' is like 2010 spinal tap, right down to the british accent
― pokám0n (dyao), Monday, 31 May 2010 00:20 (thirteen years ago) link
smh so hard
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Monday, 31 May 2010 00:38 (thirteen years ago) link
hey hey baby girl you and me need to eat french fries
― ksh, Monday, 31 May 2010 00:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Isn't the MIA song just her over Various Production's "Hater"?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 31 May 2010 01:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Heh yeah.
― silence is a rhythm too (Turangalila), Monday, 31 May 2010 03:01 (thirteen years ago) link
truffled fries sound disgusting
― i fake it so real, i am beyonce (surm), Monday, 31 May 2010 05:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I’m tired of pop stars who say, ‘Give peace a chance.’ I’d rather say, ‘Give war a chance.’ The whole point of going to the Grammys was to say, ‘Hey, 50,000 people are gonna die next month, and here’s your opportunity to help.’ And no one did.”
RIGHT ON.
― Band Fag X (u s steel), Monday, 31 May 2010 13:22 (thirteen years ago) link
if we're gonna call her out for being a hypocrite, what about all the MC's who reference "the struggle" and their Maybach in the same couplet? I'm trying to figure out why MIA is worthy of being called out and not everyone else who was on stage with her at the Grammy's that night. I really hope it's not her status as woman :/
― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Monday, 31 May 2010 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
allow me to connect points 'a' and 'b' for you -- the idea behind those songs is that the maybach was earned through the struggle/hard work/hustling. i know "Juicy"'s subtext is supersubtle but
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Monday, 31 May 2010 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
no, deej, actually, its her status as a woman
― max, Monday, 31 May 2010 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link
does "hustling" include selling crack to your already poverty stricken neighbors?
― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Monday, 31 May 2010 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link
truffaluffagus
― spud webs (am0n), Monday, 31 May 2010 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
today is a banner day for spinspin sugah
― J0rdan S., Monday, 31 May 2010 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
wish rappers would sell truffle fries to their poverty-stricken neighbors
― max, Monday, 31 May 2010 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
like i told you to sell drugs... nohov did that, so hopefully you won't have to go thru that
― J0rdan S., Monday, 31 May 2010 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
I really hope it's not their status as rappers :/
― spud webs (am0n), Monday, 31 May 2010 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link
can't believe ppl are making fun of MIA when nobody in the world has ever made fun of rappers :(
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Monday, 31 May 2010 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
when will people start criticizing gangsta rap
― J0rdan S., Monday, 31 May 2010 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
i hope MIA's music hasn't been banned from stores cuz her status as a woman
― J0rdan S., Monday, 31 May 2010 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
you guys are so cute.
― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Monday, 31 May 2010 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
to all the people that lived above the buildings that I was hustlin' in front of that called the police on me when I was just tryin' to make some money to feed my daughter
i mean this kind of owns its own contradictions so
― plax (ico), Monday, 31 May 2010 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
never 4 get fries-gate
― spud webs (am0n), Monday, 31 May 2010 20:27 (thirteen years ago) link
whoa that was some real enlightening music discussion from me just there
― plax (ico), Monday, 31 May 2010 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link
it was so cute.
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Monday, 31 May 2010 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd120/hipsterrunoff/photographs/hro/da891381.jpg
― ksh, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 00:22 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WwzViH1wwI
― ksh, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, I know it's beyond cliche to say something is very "Nathan Barley," but M.I.A. just said "The record kind of goes to different places. A bit emo... and a bit digital ruckus. Moshpit. It's kind of... muzak. It's infotainment."
― Becky Facelift, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link
It's infotainment.
So Dan was quite literally right with the KRS-One comparison upthread, then.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 01:26 (thirteen years ago) link
do you think she's going to get krs one in to do a guest spot?
― kumar the bavarian, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link
oops snap ned
― kumar the bavarian, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 01:29 (thirteen years ago) link
i read the new york times article. it's easy to see it's a biased piece, but i'd also say it's likely more truthful and insightful than MIA ever will be.
― pakkit, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Every story is biased.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 02:44 (thirteen years ago) link
It makes life more fun.
KRS-1 is a great comparison.
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 05:01 (thirteen years ago) link
krs made awesome music for like a good dozen years or so
― i don't care if big daddy kane signed your mommas tits (The Reverend), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 05:08 (thirteen years ago) link
jus sayin
MIA has made some good songs over the past few years as well.
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 05:12 (thirteen years ago) link
if MIA = KRS, i "can't wait" for 10 years from now
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 June 2010 05:14 (thirteen years ago) link
ughsiguhfiguhrfuh i know im not known for being an MIA fan so u might disregard this but KRS's career shits all over MIA's
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 05:35 (thirteen years ago) link
you could say that, these days, they are both sounding a bit batshit & politically self righteous but thats about where the comparisons end
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 05:36 (thirteen years ago) link
― max, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 05:36 (thirteen years ago) link
KRS's career shits all over MIA's
...this and more in this month's issue of "NO DOY" magazine!
― L-ZD Drownsystem (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 05:37 (thirteen years ago) link
*both wear dayglo spandex
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 05:37 (thirteen years ago) link
oh hey whineys back
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 05:38 (thirteen years ago) link
http://yepyep.gibbs12.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/kool.gif
― L-ZD Drownsystem (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 05:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh Lord.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 07:14 (thirteen years ago) link
that interview is very spinal tap in the way. it just. sort of. strings. random. words. together? with. ODD. inFLECTions. in the HOPES. that. something. interESTing. willcomeout.
― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 07:59 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.nme.com/news/mia/51302
She added: "Everyone on the internet is like, 'Oh my God, come and join Facebook!' They’re all so optimistic… and really, everyone is fucking you up behind the screens. And I don't like that. It makes it difficult for me to interact with my fans knowing that. Google and Facebook were developed by the CIA, and when you're on there, you have to know that."
Amazing. She really is turning into the female Bobby Gillespie.
― The Men Who Stare At Goatse (Matt DC), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 10:39 (thirteen years ago) link
nice gif xps
mia is clever but obv a complete fantasist
of course not all pop stars shd be like that but it helps that a few are
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 10:44 (thirteen years ago) link
i find this woman annoying. the nyt piece isnt the best, its pretty obvious in how it wants to slyly show her up, but mia does talk a lot of complete shit. its so baiting. reeks of desperation to agitate and cause a fuss. she might have not had much back in hounslow, though ive a feeling it was more than she perhaps let on (the whole 'started from nothing' thing obv has a real attraction for her, prob from years of listening to hip hop), but now shes basically just a rich girl, living a pretty privileged existence, with some class guilt issues, a few dozen immature axes to grind (though this makes for good music, less good political interview quotes), and a rich white husband (funny how all her talk of 'IM FROM THERE I KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE IM REAL IM REAL IM REAL' she hasnt married someone sri lankan or FROM THE STRUGGLE.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 12:52 (thirteen years ago) link
"On several tracks, Maya even sings."
thats not new.
(this might have been commented on already)
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 12:54 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost - it seems ben brofman is mixed race, though my point still stands.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 12:58 (thirteen years ago) link
the turnaround from "untouchable rock critic golden child" to "hilarious, unlikeable retard" took only six years. Good job everyone!
― L-ZD Drownsystem (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 12:59 (thirteen years ago) link
how long did it take you again?
― da croupier, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:00 (thirteen years ago) link
(haha i don't mean that at all, but the set-up was too good)
― da croupier, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:01 (thirteen years ago) link
damn stole my joke
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:03 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm just saying, her politics were vague and her interview quotes were nonsense in 2005, when this place was a virtual m.i.a. fan club
― L-ZD Drownsystem (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:10 (thirteen years ago) link
So, marrying a white person would make her less "real"?
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Agree, that's bollocks. You're right about the rest though, and I suspect she's actually quite posh herself.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:16 (thirteen years ago) link
no i said that for all her talk of embracing the struggle youd think shed move in with some dude living in the middle of port au prince or dharavi.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:17 (thirteen years ago) link
who gives a shit jaypeg
she does mislead americans slightly about life in the hounslow 'projects' i think but none of this stuff matters
― transient truff (history mayne), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:17 (thirteen years ago) link
she didn't say she'd embrace the struggle with her vagina or anything
― da croupier, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:18 (thirteen years ago) link
and diplos point about paper planes being a piss take of americas gangster-love was a bit lol - she loves that shit herself, blatantly, just like a million other kids of all classes do/did in london and around the world. she talks all this stuff up as being a critique but its also a celebration (which admittedly is prob what keeps me checking for her music), a lot of the stuff she says like when she talks about being a hooker or pregnant if she didnt get into art college sounds like she WISHES those were the possible outcomes she might have been faced with. but idk, as a fellow lower mid-class person of around the same age as maya, i dont imagine it being quite that bad. hounslow ISNT a rich area, not by any stretch, i lived there for a few years, but its not a complete hellhole either, its just a bit of a dump (like lots of places where white people have largely moved out of) around london where people are largely trying/struggling to get by. but unless its changed massively since i was last there, i dont think its crime infested or riven with dealers or anything.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:25 (thirteen years ago) link
"she didn't say she'd embrace the struggle with her vagina or anything"
all struggles begin and end with the vagina.
now you're really projecting
― da croupier, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:27 (thirteen years ago) link
that's so fucking sexist it's not even funny. "for all her talk of embracing the struggle, MIA hasn't even given herself over sexually to a freedom fighter!"
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:28 (thirteen years ago) link
and racist too, don't forget
― L-ZD Drownsystem (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:31 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.slippinn.co.nz/uploads/images/Logos/2%204%201%20Tuesday%20logo.jpg
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:32 (thirteen years ago) link
oh god the vagina comment was obviously not serious.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:32 (thirteen years ago) link
that isn't what i'm talking about.
also classist
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:33 (thirteen years ago) link
lamemism
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:33 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.1stchoicepools.co.uk/images/toys_3in1_250w.jpg
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:34 (thirteen years ago) link
why does it have to be about 'giving herself sexually'? i didnt say she should sleep with an entire slum and make her their plaything did i?
but yes, i am a classist.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:34 (thirteen years ago) link
"hounslow ISNT a rich area, not by any stretch," he said, eating a truffle-flavoured french fry.
― transient truff (history mayne), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:36 (thirteen years ago) link
"chip"
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:36 (thirteen years ago) link
oh youre right. it's in fact as wealthy as kensington.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:37 (thirteen years ago) link
jokes bruv
i was saying earlier she's overdoing hounslow's project-ness
― transient truff (history mayne), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:38 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway the best part of the entire piece is the bit about babies saying gaga no longer being innocent. she does make jokes after all.
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:41 (thirteen years ago) link
That was pretty hilarious, yeah.
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:41 (thirteen years ago) link
i love maya though i do worry she might end up as sort of a bono type figure, rising out of a massive saddam statue on tour or something.
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Factcheck. She was born in Hounslow but raised (after her return from Sri Lanka) aged eight. Also not riddled with drug dealers but she did grow up on a housing estate, so let's not got too pernickerty about exactly how much poverty and violence she encountered. @titchy, I don't understand where you're going with this "was she quite poor or very poor?" line of inquiry. In relation to her current life in Beverly Hills, it's still a big leap. Kind of ridiculous to argue she should have fallen in love with someone poorer and less white as well.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:50 (thirteen years ago) link
i forgot about the estate thing but tbh after her overstressing the details of her past as a way to determine her cred so much in interviews i do start to kinda eyeroll a bit and get a bit suspicious...
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:56 (thirteen years ago) link
There are def irony lols to be had at the MIA/Bronfman marriage, but they're more in regards to her saying disingenuous shit like "maybe I can afford to book Dave Chappelle at the baby shower now" after her oscar nom than her commitment to "the struggle" or whatever.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:58 (thirteen years ago) link
My point being, this line of attack is the same old tired bs as pointing out that Joe Strummer's dad used to be a diplomat - crying "fake" and "hypocrite" because someone isn't poor enough. She says enough stupid shit that this is really the least interesting and substantial criticism you could make.
Re: her Google/Facebook daftness, I just finished reading David Aaronovitch's Voodoo Histories, which got me thinking about why so many politicised pop stars shoot themselves in the foot by swallowing conspiracy theories wholesale. I wonder if there's a psychological overlap between the semi-justified paranoia of fame (yes, people really ARE looking at you and recording what you say) and tin-hat craziness about the CIA trying to get you. When you read old Public Enemy interviews, it's immensely dispiriting to see Chuck shift from a real grievance to conspiracy-theorist claptrap. There's enough genuine malfeasance out there - you don't need to start making shit up.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:59 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost. I think part of the problem is generational. She's trying to mix old-fashioned PE/Clash underdog rhetoric with post-gangsta-rap, "fuck you, I'm rich now" triumphalism, so you get this weird dissonance when it comes to money. If she were a little bit more articulate about examining this contradiction then she could avoid all these truffle-fry gotchas.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:04 (thirteen years ago) link
She isn't a revolutionary using art to achieve a political goal, she's an artist using revolutionary rhetoric to achieve an artistic goal. I don't know why the press all fell all over themselves to treat her like an actual terrorist* but it's kind of clear from reading her interviews and listening to her music that she is much more about turning tragedy into fashion than she is about educating people on the nuances of foreign policy. At most, I think her main political goal is to get people to recognize that third-world issues are important rather than to encourage people to take a specific side (obv she has her stance on the Tamils but she talks about more than just Sri Lanka) but that is way less important to her than making dance music. It's basically the world's most unnecessary takedown, like someone doing an incisive hatchet job on Kanye West's ego.
Obviously being unnecessary doesn't stop it from being funny.
* well actually I do ("don't let the brown skin fool you") but let's not get into that
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:10 (thirteen years ago) link
hope it was worth it for lynn hirschberg to finally have her "buy them fries, write about them eating fries" bit outed.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Developing world bling is very much a THING with young post-Colonial Britishes with family ties to Africa, South Asia and Turkey - some of my friends from these backgrounds (many of whom work in fashion or graphics) don't like MIA because they are also from politically interesting refugee families and think she could be a bit more rigorous. One Turkish friend just thinks she'd make a much better pop star than Maya.
― I eat truffle fries because my captors say they'll kill me if I don't (suzy), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Posting that recording was so petty but it made lol. "They do lots of different fries here. The truffle ones are the fanciest. Btw, get what you want, the NYT's paying." *winks, sits back, waits* "Ooh, look at you, Miss Fancy Pants."
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:20 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost im not saying she has to come up with papers outlining the state benefits her family got as a kid or anything, shes just a bit try hard, though hey, i do like that she is trying to bring politics, even superficially learnt/poseury ones, into pop music.
"she is much more about turning tragedy into fashion than she is about educating people on the nuances of foreign policy"
her thing is her fabulous life story first and foremost, though even that is a very familar hip hop trajectory, its just articulated better, and comes with massive dollops of confused terrorist/outlaw/politico etc posturing
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:24 (thirteen years ago) link
what is 'world bling'?
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:25 (thirteen years ago) link
when do you stop complaining about people being "just a bit try hard" when they're actually incredibly successful at what they do
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:25 (thirteen years ago) link
hi dere OTM
― you're either part of the problem or part of the solution (m coleman), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:28 (thirteen years ago) link
shes incredibly succesful at talking up and selling her hard childhood if thats what you mean
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:28 (thirteen years ago) link
she's incredibly successful at selling truffle fries. I looked for some this weekend and couldn't find any :(
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:30 (thirteen years ago) link
shes actually sort of like the female brit-asian 50 cent isnt she? cleverly playing on various familiar ethnic poverty tropes that people like.
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Find me someone successful, in any field, who isn't good at selling their hard childhood. You hear the I-clawed-my-way-up-from-nothing narrative everywhere: business, journalism, art, movies, music.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link
every successful person is "a bit try hard" iirc
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i blame hollywood
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:39 (thirteen years ago) link
i blame physics
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link
its a good story though
my dad tells a similiar story
part fact (he def wasnt rich), part fiction (his dad had a small business), and he def was pretty poor when he arrived in london
but we still tell him he over exaggerates it
its fun
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link
what kind of fries does he eat
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:41 (thirteen years ago) link
he doesnt.
hes an outsider.
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:41 (thirteen years ago) link
She isn't even that successful - one big hit in the US and only one top 40 hit AT ALL in the UK. Paper Planes aside, how many records has she actually sold? It seems to be de facto accepted that she's a massive pop star when she isn't really, and this album could well flop.
― The Men Who Stare At Goatse (Matt DC), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:41 (thirteen years ago) link
You just gotta wonder if her now-posh life and super successful music career has anything to do with her marrying the son of Edgar Bronfman, Jr. the CEO of Warner Music Group.
― Adam Bruneau, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:44 (thirteen years ago) link
otoh most people we know have MIA mp3s xp
― mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess being on the Grammy's is a step up to success?
― Adam Bruneau, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link
It didn't help Edgar Jr. much with HIS band, eh?
Developing-world bling is stuff like heavy gold jewelry, Cazals, dyed hair, WAH! Nails, Kente cloth, flags incorporated into designs, graffiti and fluoro trainers, all mixed up together. It's a bit like being dragged through Ridley Road market backwards.
― I eat truffle fries because my captors say they'll kill me if I don't (suzy), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link
uh I mean Ben! Point stands.
― I eat truffle fries because my captors say they'll kill me if I don't (suzy), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link
zzzzzz wake me when this chick marries a sri lankan and beats up the dude from PM dawn
― m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:57 (thirteen years ago) link
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, June 1, 2010 10:34 AM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
unperson, all is forgiven
― exxon valdeej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 14:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Would you settle for MIA swinging from the girders at the MTV Music Awards while Gaga accepts an award and says "this is what pop music is about?"
― da croupier, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 15:01 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a deal!
haha 50 Cent is so canny he actually went so far as to actually grow up in poverty, what a po-mo trickster
― m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link
He was playing a long con.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link
m.i.a. went to the same primary school as me!
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link
like 8 years before me though obvv
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, June 1, 2010 10:30 AM (1 hour ago)
poll: how many ILXORs spent their weekend looking for truffle fries & were you successful or not?
― ksh, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I didn't but I made a mental note when I read this article that was linked on the NYT q&a thread:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/pacificnw/2011906512_pacificpfoodhunt30.html
the author mentions that he was able to buy truffle oil for $3 with food stamps. so it can't be that hoity-toity after all!
― pokám0n (dyao), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe truffle oil and Smirnoff Ice are both running the ultimate in viral campaigns right now.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link
BROS TRUFFLING BROS
― pokám0n (dyao), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link
u kno what's up
― ksh, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
*sees dog with bottle of truffle oil tied to back* aw man, I totally gotta drizzle truffle oil all over these fries now :/
― pokám0n (dyao), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
A++
― transient truff (history mayne), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
dogs are the new pack mules
― ksh, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link
"haha 50 Cent is so canny he actually went so far as to actually grow up in poverty, what a po-mo trickster"
oh so youre saying mia didnt? classist.
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I know nothing of MIA outside of the Aziz Ansari Tamil joke. Is there more Ansari/MIA material around?
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Lex can settle this by telling us what his primary school was like xp. Eton feeder or borderline borstal?
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 16:31 (thirteen years ago) link
So much for truffle fries, I'm just worried '/\/\/\Y/\' will the rubbish.
― Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link
gah 'the rubbish'....the point is we could all use another great album from her.
― Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
we could all use another great album from anyone
― \/\/G\/\/ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 17:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Your monogram seems like it should be a wrestling federation logo.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
or you could add weezer wings to the Ws
― m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
It's not rubbish but it has problems that the first two didn't. Can't really say any more than that on a public forum. Because the CIA are watching me.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Stay in camera view please.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link
FREEZE!!! and DROP THE TRUFFLED FRY!!!!!!!!!!
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Back away slowly from the truffle. Slowly..............
xpost glad to hear it's not a disaster...even the finest albums can have 'problems'. But is there anything which just makes you go "WOW" like on the first two (see: Galang, BDG, Bird Flu, Paper Planes)?
― Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
In fact see the vast majority of both LPs IMHO.
Tell Me Why, as mentioned in the Hirschberg piece, is pretty wow.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Tell me whyAin't nothin' but a heartacheTell me whyAin't nothin' but a mistakeTell me whyI never wanna hear you sayI want it that way
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
cause Iwantitthata-way
― i see you windin, grindin up on dat po'boy (crüt), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link
is it hard to make arrangements with yourselfwhen you're old enough to repaybut young enough to eat truffle fries
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 17:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i usually think its hilarious when writers go into great detail about what a band is eating like it reveals some secret truth.
― truffleupagus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link
would be cool if it was revealed that MIA ate BACON wrapped in BACON
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link
www.thisiswhymiaisfat.com
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
since reading this article, i've been subconsciously writing a profile about myself: "He made a lame joke about 'The Wire' and then took a bite of an apple fritter."
― tylerw, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
"M.I.A. quietly filled her tiny paper cup full of ketchup and preceded to dip her thin, flash-frozen fries. 'It's a guilty pleasure," she conceded, adjusting her paper Burger King crown.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link
"M.I.A. stared at the cherry-red Slurpee, slowly shifting from frozen to liquid in her styrofoam cup. 'This Slurpee reminds me of the blood of the innocent being slaughtered around the world. 7-11? More like 24-7." She takes a big sip. "I suppose that makes me a terrorist," she mutters, before dropping the cup into a fragrant trash bin lined with plastic and walking away, absentmindedly texting on her iPhone.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link
"M.I.A. walks down the sidewalk, chewing on a long spear of red rhubarb she had picked up at this morning's farmer's market. "It doesn't really taste that great by itself," she admits. "But it's in season, and it supports the workers. If people see me chewing on rhubarb, then maybe they might take a minute to consider just where that rhubarb came from."
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link
if I wasn't at work, I would do a c/p with M.I.A. and Diplo on "Yuffie's Chocobo"
― bageled by dementeds (HI DERE), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link
YARGH
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
― truffleupagus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, June 1, 2010 1:12 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
barenaked ladies frontman steven page orders a meatball sub and instructs his sandwich artist to 'hold the cheese'. "I do this to save the 40 calories," he adds.
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 05:27 (thirteen years ago) link
"I haven't had this sub in one week."
― ksh, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 05:28 (thirteen years ago) link
hey-yooo
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 05:44 (thirteen years ago) link
i once nearly mentioned that estelle was eating nachos b/c she shoved some in her mouth just as she said something ~deep~ to me w/r/t her background and i had to play the tape back 94843944 times to work out exactly what she said. but i edited it out b/c of the word limit.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 07:17 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm neutral about M.I.A., but as far as I can tell her revolutionary politics are about as advanced as those of Jenni Rivera - who leveraged her own family's connections to revolutionary sloganeering into $$$$$$$.
Anyway, I'm bored and hungry. Follow-ups to this book:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51H4HR4MXSL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 08:39 (thirteen years ago) link
i honestly don't think she's all that cynical about it, just sort of blinkered and self-involved. (speaking of m.i.a. here.)
honestly if she were, i dunno, 22 years old, i'd be more charitable-- she's older than me, for chrissakes. she should take a little more responsibility for her words. and stop talking like a teenager. it's almost like the infantile way she talks is a defense mechanism against being held to account for the specific things she says. maybe it's a tone she mostly adopts to the media? let's hope so.
― by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 10:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Like I said above, I think she's getting worse, or maybe recent interviewers are bringing out the worst in her, because my experience was that she could be pretty nuanced and articulated and if you called on her on certain things she would respond thoughtfully. Not to say that she could resolve all her contradictions, but she's no dumbo. The way she contrasts, on her website, her full Grammys quote with the chopped-up version that appeared in the NYT suggests that it's quite easy to string together her most inflammatory statements in a way that makes her seem like a gormless slogan machine. But then again, she's not exactly doing a sterling job of proving otherwise.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 11:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Some rhubard might help.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 11:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Wonder if any restaurant's tried making truffled rhubarb yet?
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 12:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I just read the NYT Mag article. Good god did MIA (whose music Ive never knowingly heard) make an utter fool out of herself. complete embarrassment, fun read though.
― Bill Magill, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 13:46 (thirteen years ago) link
"Give war a chance"
Great call.
― Bill Magill, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 13:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, the "give war a chance" quote is by far the "fuck you" deal-sealer in this whole thing.
― Becky Facelift, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 14:01 (thirteen years ago) link
barenaked ladies frontman steven page orders a meatball sub and instructs his sandwich artist to 'hold the cheese'. "I do this to save the 40 calories," he adds.― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Wednesday, June 2, 2010 1:27 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Wednesday, June 2, 2010 1:27 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Gucci Mane tenderly chomps down on a McDonalds hamburger, the quintessential all-American populist meal. Everyone in the restaurant, from old white-haired grandmothers down to infants who can barely walk, hobble up to him and plead for autographs, as he is currently the most famous celebrity on the planet. A small cluster of hipsters in American Apparel hoodies slump over their McRibs, naturally totally oblivious the the superduperstar that's in their midst. I, deej, am worried that my fellow Chicagoans may see me, yet I still reach down and fumble with my erect penis...
― tom postin' (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 14:19 (thirteen years ago) link
ew
― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link
that was uncalled for
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link
always good to get some poster-oriented slash fanfic on the board tbh
― max, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
http://musicthings.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/slash1.jpg
― ksh, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
nothing lasts forever, even warm, freshly-cooked truffle fries
― ksh, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link
can we just rename the board to I Love Beating A Joke To Death With My Bare Fucking Hands
― bageled by dementeds (HI DERE), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.nyshirt.com/product_images/y/091/captain_planet_power_is_yours_t_shirt__47426_zoom.jpg
― ksh, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I'll sign this petition.
― Cunga, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Isn't that the name of the next MIA album? Oh wait she has no sense of humor. Well, maybe the one after this one, assuming she gains some perspective.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Continuing in the tradition of naming her records after people who are important to her -- her father, mother, and herself -- M.I.A. has announced that her fourth record will be titled Lynn Hirschberg.
― ksh, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
looooooooooool u guys r funny! :)
― teledyldonix, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
According to Pitchfork, this is the album cover:http://cdn.pitchfork.com/media/mia-maya-cover.jpg
― Moodles, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I actually really like it
― iatee, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.observer.com/2010/media/more-mia-times-and-truffle-gate
"She says the same thing repeatedly," said Ms. Hirschberg. "She didn't just say that once or twice or three times. She repeated things constantly. She said that once and said a variation of it on other occasions. She repeated herself all the time."
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link
she is being imprisoned by bloggers! i get it.
x-post
― scott seward, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link
or being blocked by YouTube
― Moodles, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 18:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Wait, is Lynn Hirschberg saying MIA repeated herself? Repeated herself constantly? Constantly all the time?
― da croupier, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Also she seems to be for the US returning to the Gold Standard </Ron Paul>
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link
That album cover is almost as stupid as the political "insight" she graced us with in that article.
― Bill Magill, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link
old skool youtube player
― don cab for cutie (Future_Perfect), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Ms. Hirschberg isn't just saying that once or twice. She's repeating it constantly. Repeatedly. Over and over.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link
so either these two are the most self-aware satirists on Earth or they should both be locked together in a room so they can make out already
― bageled by dementeds (HI DERE), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link
― Bill Magill, Wednesday, June 2, 2010 2:58 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark
"insightful" post
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Thanks.
― Bill Magill, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.sudftw.com/SUDftw/DANCING_BABY.GIF
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link
'Hey, 50,000 people are gonna die next month, and here's your opportunity to help.'
http://www.reddingbanc.us/Images/Pictures/KIKE-BANC-02%20copy.jpg
― Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link
ILXchan
― don cab for cutie (Future_Perfect), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm trying to parse her Grammy comment, because if we should be "Giving war a chance" then "Our opportunity to help" would be donating money for the purchase of guns, bombs, landmines, other arms, etc.
― Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link
conscription would really set us all straight imo
― mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
crap album cover. shame cos i really like her website design and thought the album would look similar, rather than shit.
i know its been said but every time i see this thread now i just want to taste truffle flavoured french fries. i never even knew you could get so many varieties of fries.
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
from the comments box on that observer piece -
I am an audio producer. The M.I.A. tapes on her website have been clearly edited. You can hear the edits if you know what to listen for. Whether they were condensed simply for length, or to remove something like M.I.A., saying, "oooo, the Truffle fries, I LOVE truffle fries..." We will never know. But edited, they are.
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link
I am an anonymous expert posting in the Comments on a website. You can trust me.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I am tempted to post "I am a chef and truffle fries are delicious"
― bageled by dementeds (HI DERE), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
I am a pig and I ate the truffles.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I am an audio producer. The M.I.A. tapes on her website have been clearly edited. You can hear the truffle fries if you know what to listen for.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link
I want you as my waiter.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
wow whiney. horrible post.
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link
When I was last in the UK they had a flavor of crisp called "Cajun Squirrel." If MIA had been chowing down on them, none of this would have ever happened.
"I shouldn't make light of the name," mumbles MIA as she chews on a fistful of crisps, colorfully flavored Cajun Squirrel. "There are places in the world where one squirrel would feed a whole family, where wars are fought over squirrels." She pauses. "My grandfather raised squirrels." MIA briefly ponders the broader implications of her snack. "But you know what? I don't care what anyone thinks. I would kill for these crisps. Have you tried them? They're bloody delicious." She shoves another fistful into her mouth. "I suppose that makes me a terrorist," she finally declares, moist, processed potato crumbs gathering at the corners of her mouth.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 June 2010 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Wednesday, June 2, 2010 7:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
haha he sent me a link of it as soon as he posted it beaming with pride, i was like uhhh dude. but seriously you guys should just call a truce at least on ilx, it's a huge drag for everyone else, let it go.
― cank me later (some dude), Thursday, 3 June 2010 01:12 (thirteen years ago) link
so wait, why is whiney fantasizing about deej's tube?
― the other is a black gay gentleman from Los Angeles (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 June 2010 01:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i better still be allowed to zing whiney generally -- didnt know he had anything to do w/ the barenaked ladies aside from maybe looking like a member
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Thursday, 3 June 2010 01:41 (thirteen years ago) link
"haha he sent me a link of it as soon as he posted it beaming with pride"
Creepy.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 3 June 2010 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link
is there anybody besides deej and whiney who thinks their squabbling and h.f."j"s between one another add anything to a conversation? speaking for myself with rancor to neither, I wish you guys would just take it to email, or to your tumblrs if you must. it's just a bummer here in my opinion. like deej you know how when I attack you for saying anything mildly pro-Obama, it comes off super-lame? heal thyself man
― henceforth we eat truffle fries (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 3 June 2010 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link
hand fuck jobs
― max, Thursday, 3 June 2010 01:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i know "j"s are marijuana cigarettes but what does h.f. mean
― da croupier, Thursday, 3 June 2010 02:01 (thirteen years ago) link
horribly formed "jokes" you guys, do keep up
― henceforth we eat truffle fries (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 3 June 2010 02:02 (thirteen years ago) link
aerosmith otm, go beef all you want but leave it off ilx
― cank me later (some dude), Thursday, 3 June 2010 02:03 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost i refuse to believe that's a thing
― da croupier, Thursday, 3 June 2010 02:04 (thirteen years ago) link
it's not a thing I just made it up if it sucks that is fine w/me it just always amused me, the horribly formed "joke" thread & i have a really high fever so frankly everybody needs to just be totally impressed that my posts don't read like
Let Beeroth rejoice with Sea-Buckthorn.Let Kirjath-arim rejoice with Cacalianthemum.Let Hadid rejoice with Capsicum Guiney Pepper.Let Senaah rejoice with Bean Cape.Let Kadmiel rejoice with Hemp-Agrimony.Let Shobai rejoice with Arbor Molle.Let Hatita rejoice with Millefolium Yarrow.Let Ziha rejoice with Mitellia.Let Hasupha rejoice with Turky Balm.Let Hattil rejoice with Xeranthemum.Let Bilshan rejoice with the Leek. David for ever! God bless the Welch March 1st 1761. N.S.Let Sotai rejoice with the Mountain Ebony.Let Sophereth rejoice with White Hellebore.Let Darkon rejoice with the Melon-Thistle.Let Jaalah rejoice with Moly wild garlick.
yet
― henceforth we eat truffle fries (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 3 June 2010 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link
ilx beef, even more embarrassing than a 2010 rap beef
― pokám0n (dyao), Thursday, 3 June 2010 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i wish the deej/wgw thing would continue but calm down and not be butthurt, cuz bros zinging bros goodnaturedly over silly shit like this can be such gold
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Thursday, 3 June 2010 02:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I am willing to use the MIA thread to extend a long-needed olive branch to my man deej.
― tom postin' (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 3 June 2010 02:38 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not actually butthurt, I generally think it's funny, but if it's actually annoying other ppl we should prolly stop
― tom postin' (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 3 June 2010 02:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I honestly don't think deej is b/h either
more fanfic
― max, Thursday, 3 June 2010 02:49 (thirteen years ago) link
i didnt think my zing was particularly bhurt causing or really qualified as DEEJ WHINEY BEEF. it was a callback to a way old whiney zing that basically everyone has made & had nothing to do w/ me & him arguing about hipsters white people or gucci mane
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Thursday, 3 June 2010 03:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah but there was no reason to even zing me in the first place! I didn't even say anything!
― tom postin' (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 3 June 2010 03:38 (thirteen years ago) link
you are therefore i zing
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Thursday, 3 June 2010 03:48 (thirteen years ago) link
great thread
― ksh, Thursday, 3 June 2010 03:55 (thirteen years ago) link
deej whiney beef >>>> MIA ny times beef
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Thursday, 3 June 2010 04:03 (thirteen years ago) link
seriously if you guys think you're doing this mainly for our entertainment, thanks but no thanks
― cank me later (some dude), Thursday, 3 June 2010 04:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I think there is one poster besides deej & whiney who enjoys deej/whiney beef & he's sort of obligated to by his gimmick
― henceforth we eat truffle fries (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 3 June 2010 04:24 (thirteen years ago) link
name names
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Thursday, 3 June 2010 04:33 (thirteen years ago) link
idg/care what this is even about any more
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Thursday, 3 June 2010 04:35 (thirteen years ago) link
that was just a cheap jab at the idea that we were interrupting some Very Important Thread
it has nothing to do with the importance of the thread and you guys making every thread you appear on about yourselves
I say this as someone very prone to making threads about himself who also realizes how incredibly annoying that can be, which is why I try not to do it on every thread I choose to participate in
― bageled by dementeds (HI DERE), Thursday, 3 June 2010 04:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont see how i did that here
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Thursday, 3 June 2010 04:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think anybody gives a shit about the thread, they just give even less of a shit abt deej/whiney beef whether for lols or no - it's just kinda not funny or interesting any more, which again I say w/o rancor, you just seem to have this idea that like deej/whiney beef is something that livens up a thread - it may for deej & whiney but otherwise I would guess the prevailing feeling when you guys start zinging is "well, so much for anything interesting here"
― henceforth we eat truffle fries (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 3 June 2010 04:44 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.nataliedee.com/053110/butt-hurt-for-everybody.jpg
― i don't care if big daddy kane signed your mommas tits (The Reverend), Thursday, 3 June 2010 04:52 (thirteen years ago) link
^ best thing itt imo
― ksh, Thursday, 3 June 2010 04:53 (thirteen years ago) link
so uhm, I hear M.I.A. likes to eat truffle fries, is that true
― pokám0n (dyao), Thursday, 3 June 2010 04:57 (thirteen years ago) link
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/9800/1jez5f1275542548.jpg
― ksh, Thursday, 3 June 2010 05:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont actually think that deej-whiney beef makes ppl entertained guys. chillax. if anything the beef has been more about my 'seething frustration' at his worldview with respect to certain areas of the pop cultural landscape
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Thursday, 3 June 2010 05:00 (thirteen years ago) link
take it to twitter imo
― pokám0n (dyao), Thursday, 3 June 2010 05:01 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i47.tinypic.com/33pan3a.jpg
― i don't care if big daddy kane signed your mommas tits (The Reverend), Thursday, 3 June 2010 05:03 (thirteen years ago) link
my thread rad, my thread good, my thread do stuff that ya thread wish it could
― ksh, Thursday, 3 June 2010 05:03 (thirteen years ago) link
― pokám0n (dyao), Thursday, June 3, 2010 1:01 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
they did take it to twitter recently, shit was even more tedious. i support the idea that they create a special beef tumblr where they can post any back-and-forths when they're feeling the urge (and make it accessible only by password (and then give nobody else the password)).
― unfinest states of america (some dude), Thursday, 3 June 2010 05:09 (thirteen years ago) link
thewhirlwindofbeefiinhaleit.tumblr.com
― pokám0n (dyao), Thursday, 3 June 2010 05:11 (thirteen years ago) link
hipster beefies
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Thursday, 3 June 2010 05:16 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't even know who deej and whiney are.
― by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 3 June 2010 05:19 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't even know what Pitchfork Media is
get the hell out of our store please!
― ksh, Thursday, 3 June 2010 05:20 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i47.tinypic.com/200sksn.gif
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Thursday, 3 June 2010 05:25 (thirteen years ago) link
irl hearty lols
― ksh, Thursday, 3 June 2010 05:27 (thirteen years ago) link
everything's coming together.
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Thursday, 3 June 2010 05:27 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.picpop.com/gallery/albums/userpics/1-14-05/thumb_ashlee-simpson.gif
― ksh, Thursday, 3 June 2010 05:28 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x_-IoeSB-A
― Armand Van Helden Vocal Remix (Spinspin Sugah), Thursday, 3 June 2010 06:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I have no idea what's been going on in this thread for the past week or so... fucking gossip about MIA's diet? Yeah, she eats truffle fries when she isnt sticking her foot in her mouth. Get ready to have your mind blown!
― Moka, Thursday, 3 June 2010 06:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i support the idea that they create a special beef tumblr where they can post any back-and-forths when they're feeling the urge (and make it accessible only by password (and then give nobody else the password)).― unfinest states of america (some dude)
― unfinest states of america (some dude)
― the other is a black gay gentleman from Los Angeles (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 June 2010 07:03 (thirteen years ago) link
So yeah, we pretend this all never happened and start a new thread when the album leaks, right?
― Matt DC, Thursday, 3 June 2010 08:55 (thirteen years ago) link
beef delivers
― truff sqwad (history mayne), Thursday, 3 June 2010 09:08 (thirteen years ago) link
― Matt DC, Thursday, June 3, 2010 1:55 AM Bookmark
^^this
― what it feels like for a goon (The Reverend), Thursday, 3 June 2010 09:14 (thirteen years ago) link
and when michaela grobelny releases a new album we can use this thread for the artist it was actually intended for
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 3 June 2010 09:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I think that would be selling her short, saddling her with this.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 3 June 2010 09:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Genuine curiosity: is MIA a vegetarian?
― da croupier, Thursday, 3 June 2010 10:10 (thirteen years ago) link
genuine, childlike curiosity
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Thursday, 3 June 2010 12:52 (thirteen years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 June 2010 13:24 (thirteen years ago) link
correction 2 article: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/archives/2010/06/lynn_hirschberg_2.php
― ksh, Thursday, 3 June 2010 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link
hate the hirschberg not the game. or something. she should get fired. she does this stuff too much. editing and mix and matching are two very different things.
― scott seward, Thursday, 3 June 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
mixing and matching quotes anyway.
― scott seward, Thursday, 3 June 2010 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
collage culture
― max, Thursday, 3 June 2010 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
and she ordered the food! entrapment via truffle fries.
― sent from my neural lace (ledge), Thursday, 3 June 2010 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
I think it's safe to say that MIA has won this round.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 3 June 2010 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
bet stephen glass is wondering if people just didn't like his face
― truff sqwad (history mayne), Thursday, 3 June 2010 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link
in a highly entertaining way too
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 June 2010 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link
|≤ 0
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Let's hope the album itself can cause as much fuss and passionate discussion as this.
― Davek (davek_00), Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
MIA's rep may be better than hirschberg's, but this article probably still did plenty to negatively affect the CW on her.
― da croupier, Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Not that a backlash wasn't already imminent, but this was probably the biggest platform to slam her yet.
― da croupier, Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
MIA's rep may be better than hirschberg's
^I dont know if this is the case. On my scale, taking some liberties with journalistic license is nowhere near as bad as the juvenile romanticizing of terrorists, lying and basically making a complete ass of yourself.
― Bill Magill, Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
you have weird standards Bill, esp in a case like this where the former is complicit in the construction of the latter
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link
like, at least partly the reason you think MIA indulges in "juvenile romanticizing of terrorists, lying and basically making a complete ass of yourself" is because of Hirschberg "taking some liberties with journalistic license". would think this is self-evident.
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:22 (thirteen years ago) link
except hirschberg is a journalist whereas mia is not a politician xp
― iatee, Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link
"MIA's rep may be better than hirschberg's, but this article probably still did plenty to negatively affect the CW on her"
Really? I think the article basically appealed to people like Bill who've already made up their minds about what kind of person they think MIA is.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link
it can be a really difficult and delicate science to arrange quotes from an interview into a coherent statement that works on paper (that goes for the hiccups and subtleties of IRL conversation with anyone, not just someone like M.I.A. who can be, well, kind of incoherent). ultimately you almost HAVE to jumble the order of what was said, but you should still use endquotes and ellipses and such to denote where you're omitting or rearranging stuff. i get the feeling that bigger publications are almost more likely to play fast and loose with that stuff, though, especially when it comes time to find a concise pullquote or headline.
― unfinest states of america (some dude), Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link
the ppl who buy her records -- myself included -- will care much more about the music than all this noise, tbh
― ksh, Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
u rly "buy" "records"?
― truff sqwad (history mayne), Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah dogg
― ksh, Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I cant imagine that's the case. Just cuz she didnt order the goddamn truffle fries doesntthe rest of the article doesnt contain some truth about MIA's character.
xxpost to Collier
― Bill Magill, Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
at a record store O_O sometimes
mia's been saying retarded shit for abt 5 years now
nyt has to include corrections so u think the rest of it is true (hat tip to whoever came up with this gag)
― truff sqwad (history mayne), Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
ppl cut & paste quotes all the time, and most don't use ellipses or square brackets. you just have to do it in good faith.
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the article basically appealed to people like Bill who've already made up their minds about what kind of person they think MIA is.
^ no, quite frankly, i never really gave a shit before, and will continue not to give a shit now. The article discusses visa problems, let's hope she continues to have them.
― Bill Magill, Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Wary about music/press-surrounding-the music fight but sometimes I feel her music wouldn't hit the way it does, if she wasn't this way as a person. Pop music is about the whole package.
― Davek (davek_00), Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
The article discusses visa problems, let's hope she continues to have them.
You certainly sound like someone who doesn't give a shit either way. She may be full of shit but she has some of the lamest haters of any artist I can think of.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
there are better ways of not giving a shit about something than getting in arguments on msg boards about that something
― iatee, Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost hah supposedly visa problems inspired the enduring single Paper Planes. I agree, in a way.
― Davek (davek_00), Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
mia has dumm opinions? god she should totally have her passport shredded
― truff sqwad (history mayne), Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Bill has said what, 5 things on this thread? (Granted most of them were really stupid but that's as unsurprising as M.I.A. saying stupid stuff about terrorism.)
― drop it like it's hot, Elena (HI DERE), Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
true (and the article's biggest fans are obviously people who wanted MIA to suffer a hatchet job), but if she comes out with something that doesn't immediately grab the audience, people would be more apt to give it the benefit of the doubt if her rep is of forward-thinking, politically-minded dance floor genius than pretentious rich dipshit who stumbled into the good graces of Diplo and some record company dudes. and this is easily the highest profile interview she's given.
― da croupier, Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
M.I.A. should come out with a solo voice + acoustic guitar album in 2015. Protest songs!
― Davek (davek_00), Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link
"^ no, quite frankly, i never really gave a shit before, and will continue not to give a shit now."
Right-o.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link
she loves madonna so dumbness definitely comes with that territory. (i love madonna and her dumbness.) don't know if this is more entertaining than hanky spanky sex book shocker or whatever. kinda less entertaining, really. how many people who dig MIA even know what the hell she is going on about in her songs? probably not many. tubthumping great for jello shot nite at the pub, etc.
― scott seward, Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost very true, if the new album is disappointing, the haters' voices will ring loudly.
― Davek (davek_00), Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
forward-thinking, politically-minded dance floor genius than pretentious rich dipshit who stumbled into the good graces of Diplo and some record company dudes
If this article was successful at anything, it was in portraying her as both; this seems like an entirely false binary to me. Yes, it went to great pains to point out her shortcomings as a musician (which let's be honest, anyone who's ever seen a clip of her performing live was already aware that she is tone-deaf and arhythmical) but also pointed out her ability to edit, exploit synergy and mold the talents of others to her artistic vision. There's very little doubt in my mind that she is driving her collaborations after reading that article, particularly since it went so far out of its way to paint her as a controlling ogre.
― drop it like it's hot, Elena (HI DERE), Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
She may be full of shit but she has some of the lamest haters of any artist I can think of.
http://www.alexross.com/slamdunk.jpg
― mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link
i think you're giving it a more nuanced, generous reading than those not predisposed to like her, Dan. I'm sure Hirschberg painted Courtney Love as quite the driven lady, too.
― da croupier, Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
how many people who dig MIA even know what the hell she is going on about in her songs?
yeah i don't jam that shit for the (usually rubbish) lyrics
― mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Lyrics take em or leave em, but I will always maintain she is a great *vocalist*, as well.
― Davek (davek_00), Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost also if the new album is less "galang again" and more Flowers Of Romance, people aren't going to give her points for using collaborators well, but rip on the dipshit side of things.
― da croupier, Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Pseudo-multi-part-harmonies, rapping, speak singing, dancehall toasting, dream-pop cooing and more. She's probably improved even more on this new record.
― Davek (davek_00), Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
"people aren't going to give her points for using collaborators well, but rip on the dipshit side of things"
I think "people" are probably just going to rip on the album, but whatever.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
If you're writing a feature, your subject's rambling answers are always going to need curtailing or embellishing, but what's inexcusable for Hirschberg is that she trimmed the quotes to fit an agenda.
― I eat truffle fries because my captors say they'll kill me if I don't (suzy), Thursday, 3 June 2010 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link
tubthumping great for jello shot nite at the pub
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 3 June 2010 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Like suzy and s1ocki say, writers (myself included) play fast and loose with the order of quotes all the time. If someone says interesting things about subject x at three different points during an hour, then I'll compress them into one punchy composite quote. The point is not to change the meaning. Hirschberg's been caught out deliberately making her subject appear crass, self-important and pretentious (or at least moreso) by rearranging volatile quotes. It already annoyed me that she was so intent on giving MIA enough rope - another writer might have interrogated what she meant by "give war a chance" rather than leave it as a pat slogan - but this shows that she was actually manufacturing her own rope, which is just low. It's obvious that MIA will say some bona fide stupid shit, certainly enough to enliven a profile, without the writer having to warp and fabricate. I think MIA's response was pretty stylish - using raw audio rather than a rant to make her point - and (by also reproducing the fries conversation) witty. If I did this to an interviewee, then I wouldn't have anything to bitch about if she called me on it.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 3 June 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
So, like, it's supposed to make MIA look better that she said those stupid things at different points and not just all at once? I'd be more inclined to support the artist's side of things in this instance if the artist in question a) wasn't already prone to making strident, boneheaded statements and b) didn't react to the profile with a Kanye-level degree of jackassery. Give her enough rope? MIA probably has rope on her rider.
Anyway, I read the article, heard MIA's side, and read the correction, and I still don't get the fuck point she was trying to make about going to the Grammys.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 June 2010 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
It's really not that understand to get her point when you read/hear the unedited quote. She's saying that part of her goal in being a successful musician was to publicise her political concerns, not just to get rich and go to the Grammys. Simple. If you already think she's an idiot then you're not going to be interested in working out what she's saying.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 3 June 2010 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
What is this "predisposed" shit? I had no idea who she was before I read the article. After I read it I thought she was an idiot. After reading the corrections to the story I still think she is an idiot.
"...you're not going to be interested in working out what she's saying."
Uh, there is no "nuance" to what she's saying, there's nothing worth "working out".
"She's saying that part of her goal in being a successful musician was to publicise her political concerns..."
If she's trying to gain sympathy for those concerns (and the rights of the minority population in Sri Lanka IS a worthy cause, in my opinion) she is doing a fucking lousy job.
― Bill Magill, Thursday, 3 June 2010 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
"If she's trying to gain sympathy for those concerns (and the rights of the minority population in Sri Lanka IS a worthy cause, in my opinion) she is doing a fucking lousy job."
I don't think sympathy is what she's going for. Attention is and I think that as far as that goes she's succeeded. Obv at least one of the people that Hirschberg quoted thinks that this attention has been entirely negative, but given the way the rest of the piece appears to be a hatchet job it's sort of hard to take that already over the top quote very seriously.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 3 June 2010 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Haunted Clocks OTM
― jaybabcock, Thursday, 3 June 2010 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ yup. i like how everybody's gotten to enjoy their little moment of schadenfreude here.
― the other is a black gay gentleman from Los Angeles (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 June 2010 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think she's an idiot. I like her first two records fine. I just don't see how going to the Grammys did anything but publicize MIA and the record industry (which is the only reason the Grammys exists, generally speaking). Did she have "Free Sri Lanka" scrawled on her belly or something? Being relatively famous, she would have gotten equal press by refusing to perform.
Regardless, I'd be more sympathetic to her strategy if her political beliefs were at all coherent. I understand some things make her angry, but ... so? Get in line.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 June 2010 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
don't know if anyone's posted this yet, but *siren.gif* breaking news *siren.gif* - http://pitchfork.com/news/39014-echo-chamber-colin-meloy-vs-mia/
― ksh, Thursday, 3 June 2010 23:23 (thirteen years ago) link
are we allowed to say pitchfuck?
― the other is a black gay gentleman from Los Angeles (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 June 2010 23:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Colin Meloy, the Tucker Carlson of shitty indie bands
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 June 2010 23:32 (thirteen years ago) link
1,258,647 Followers
― ksh, Thursday, 3 June 2010 23:37 (thirteen years ago) link
"Somehow with this chick, all the the liberal arts educated middle-class white people expected that she would be different. That she would be content and very happy to be poor and starving. That she would decline a fancy hotel suite and truffle-flavored fries. Are you people fucking crazy? You have the gall to be disappointed that she isn't poor and miserable enough for you to wax eloquent with a straight face on Sri Lankan politics with your buddies and use her as an example of how fucked up the whole situation is."
hmmm...
― Armand Van Helden Vocal Remix (Spinspin Sugah), Friday, 4 June 2010 00:08 (thirteen years ago) link
fwiw the first GIS result for truffle fry is MIA...but the second is Lenny Kravitz!
― breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Friday, 4 June 2010 01:35 (thirteen years ago) link
The Gawker comment Spinspin Sugah quoted from is good good stuff.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 4 June 2010 10:59 (thirteen years ago) link
""Somehow with this chick, all the the liberal arts educated middle-class white people expected that she would be different. That she would be content and very happy to be poor and starving. That she would decline a fancy hotel suite and truffle-flavored fries. Are you people fucking crazy? You have the gall to be disappointed that she isn't poor and miserable enough for you to wax eloquent with a straight face on Sri Lankan politics with your buddies and use her as an example of how fucked up the whole situation is.""
MIA is just unused to posh varieties of french fries, being an outsider and everything, so she wanted to taste as many different new kinds as she could.
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 4 June 2010 11:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I have never had truffle fries and would totally try them if they were offered.
― what it feels like for a goon (The Reverend), Friday, 4 June 2010 11:11 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway
i never knew they even existed and now want to have some more than ever.
MIA should advertise them.
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 4 June 2010 11:18 (thirteen years ago) link
right, nothing about the truffle fries episode actually disproves hirschberg's point though, right? either in specifically retelling that anecdote or the more general one. specifically it's not that lefty-liberal political activists can't eat poncy foods, it's her lack of self-awareness in proclaiming herself to be an "outsider" while being someone that the new york times will buy truffle fries for. lady, you're establishment. this is ok! you wanted it! own it!
the general point about mia being a div who doesn't actually have a political message at all stands regardless.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 4 June 2010 11:19 (thirteen years ago) link
She should shill truffle fries ... for charity!
"Are you tired of regular fries whose taste is ... missing in action? Try New MIA Truffle Fries! They've got a taste that's downright RADICAL!!!"
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 June 2010 11:39 (thirteen years ago) link
it's her lack of self-awareness in proclaiming herself to be an "outsider" while being someone that the new york times will buy truffle fries for
You are of course aware that this doesn't matter, like, at all, right?
― Matt DC, Friday, 4 June 2010 11:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Can someone please start a MAYA thread on which the words "truffle fries" are verboten? I tried yesterday but it didn't go through. Would be good to discuss the record rather than going around in circles.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 4 June 2010 11:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Is the record out? Until then, it's holding period time, no?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 June 2010 11:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah it's too early for a thread I think, it'll just devolve right back into this again.
― Matt DC, Friday, 4 June 2010 11:59 (thirteen years ago) link
has it leaked? id discuss it if someone gave me a copy.
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 4 June 2010 11:59 (thirteen years ago) link
OK then, let's wait for the release/leak. I just wanted an early escape from Hirschberg hell.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 4 June 2010 12:02 (thirteen years ago) link
But see, Hirschberg is the holding pattern! That's why she wrote it and MIA participated: to fill space and take up time leading up to the release of the record. Well, mission accomplished. People are talking. MIA should give Hirschberg points on the record, which will no doubt bow with a Billboard shattering 30,000 sold or so and change the way we think about the world, for about a week.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 June 2010 12:48 (thirteen years ago) link
could see this bombing maybe. nothing that's been on it so far is anything like a 10th as engaging as her "hit". otoh her most high-profile release wrt mainstream media coverage.
― No disre but maryanne hobbs is peng trust me (jim in glasgow), Friday, 4 June 2010 13:19 (thirteen years ago) link
30,000 sold would likely mean it's a hit these days, btw, as far as that goes.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 June 2010 13:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I just wanted an early escape from Hirschberg hell.
Suggestion:
"Remove Bookmark from this Thread"
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 4 June 2010 13:45 (thirteen years ago) link
also, i'm guessing it might be an indie thing considering i doubt the paper planers are gonna stick around for IWASBOOOORNFREEEEE nanananananananananana
― a mind is a terrible thing, too #based (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 4 June 2010 13:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Hirschberg hell now comprises the totality of reality -- removing a bookmark will not change the constitution of the Absolute
― ksh, Friday, 4 June 2010 13:47 (thirteen years ago) link
this thread kind of a microcosm for what reading about indie bands on the internet is like in 2010
― a mind is a terrible thing, too #based (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 4 June 2010 13:52 (thirteen years ago) link
hey guys, dirty projjies covered a bob dylan song iirc
― a mind is a terrible thing, too #based (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 4 June 2010 13:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Thread still needs a link to 1000TimesYes to accomplish that in full, iirc.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 4 June 2010 13:53 (thirteen years ago) link
xp A microcosm? This thread is literally about reading about indie bands on the internet in 2010.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 June 2010 13:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Nabisco weighs in, apparently:
"Maya Arulpragasam was never a politically sophisticated thinker. We knew that already. What else do we know about her?"
http://pitchfork.com/features/why-we-fight/7813-why-we-fight-4
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 4 June 2010 13:54 (thirteen years ago) link
guys here's a giant painting of Isaac Brock standing next to a boar that is in the office of the Portland mayor
http://endhits.portlandmercury.com/endhits/archives/2010/06/03/portland-mayor-now-has-a-portrait-of-isaac-brock-on-his-wall
― a mind is a terrible thing, too #based (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 4 June 2010 13:56 (thirteen years ago) link
http://twitter.com/colinmeloy/status/15333104281http://twitter.com/colinmeloy/status/15333104281http://twitter.com/colinmeloy/status/15333104281http://twitter.com/colinmeloy/status/15333104281http://twitter.com/colinmeloy/status/15333104281
― ksh, Friday, 4 June 2010 13:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Meloy is following Brooklyn Vegan, Largehearted Boy, Infinite Summer, Pitchfork, The Paris Review
i am not making this shit up
― ksh, Friday, 4 June 2010 13:58 (thirteen years ago) link
The question was never if she was a politically sophisticated thinker. The question was is she a more politically sophisticated thinker than Bono, who she takes down and implies is a less politically sophisticated thinker than she is. Which is truly begging the question.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 June 2010 14:00 (thirteen years ago) link
the way ksh has elevated from one of the worst posters to one of the best posters is a magnificent feat like Dr. Dre going from the World Class Wreckin Cru to The Chronic in the span of a month
― a mind is a terrible thing, too #based (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 4 June 2010 14:01 (thirteen years ago) link
^ made my day
― ksh, Friday, 4 June 2010 14:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Read who it's coming from, then reconsider.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 4 June 2010 14:02 (thirteen years ago) link
ksh has done cooler things than post colin meloy's twitter updates
― call all destroyer, Friday, 4 June 2010 14:09 (thirteen years ago) link
still think it's hilarious that that tweet merited a fuckin P4k news story -- http://pitchfork.com/news/39014-echo-chamber-colin-meloy-vs-mia
when that showed up in my Google Reader, it may as well have just read: Hey supposedly intelligent readers, fuck you!!!
― ksh, Friday, 4 June 2010 14:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Hey supposedly intelligent readers, LOCAL NATIVES!!!
― a mind is a terrible thing, too #based (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 4 June 2010 14:15 (thirteen years ago) link
looooooooooooooooooool
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 4 June 2010 14:22 (thirteen years ago) link
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― Jamie_ATP, Friday, 4 June 2010 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link
^^ m.i.a. LP4 ^^^
― 0xCAFED00D (LOLK), Friday, 4 June 2010 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link
oops.
― Jamie_ATP, Friday, 4 June 2010 14:27 (thirteen years ago) link
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― ksh, Friday, 4 June 2010 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Fuck it.
― ksh, Friday, 4 June 2010 14:32 (thirteen years ago) link
wait do you mean "a magnificent feat like dre going from wreckin cru to chronic in a month instead of the 6 years it actually took"
― get your bucket of free wings (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 4 June 2010 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link
If I relax my eyes, that looks like it says something about a truck.
― Otherwise you're kinda being comp-lit in his racism. (kkvgz), Friday, 4 June 2010 14:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyway, nabisco OTM, the end:
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 June 2010 14:41 (thirteen years ago) link
nabiscos essay is v smart and i agree with it, but can pitchfork not afford em-dashes or something
― max, Friday, 4 June 2010 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link
nabisco i think is pretty much otm as usual, and i hope that his write-up re-frames the discussion from "wow look at the pop voice of the third world engorging herself in wanton luxury" to something more along the lines of "wait does MIA's imagery align herself with the oppressed or the oppressors?" which I think would make off-hand remarks about her 'incoherence' more, er, coherent...
― blair x-soul (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 4 June 2010 14:43 (thirteen years ago) link
that's exactly what that means, yes
― a mind is a terrible thing, too #based (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 4 June 2010 14:43 (thirteen years ago) link
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/5600/lolp4k.jpg
― ksh, Friday, 4 June 2010 14:52 (thirteen years ago) link
http://coolrain44.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/spike-chester.jpg
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 4 June 2010 14:54 (thirteen years ago) link
OG hipster puppies
― tylerw, Friday, 4 June 2010 14:58 (thirteen years ago) link
That's a terrific piece from Nabisco.
― Matt DC, Friday, 4 June 2010 15:03 (thirteen years ago) link
ksh that is obviously a fake Echo Chamber, there are 173 characters! O_O
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 4 June 2010 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
u_u
― ksh, Friday, 4 June 2010 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link
lol strongo
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Friday, 4 June 2010 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link
wokka wokka.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 4 June 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
i thought it was funny
― ksh, Friday, 4 June 2010 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link
shut up
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 4 June 2010 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link
love you too Jess
― ksh, Friday, 4 June 2010 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.linuxbochs.net/phpBB2/files/stop_posting_1_115.jpg
― get your bucket of free wings (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 4 June 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
no thanks
― ksh, Friday, 4 June 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
age and wisdom
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 4 June 2010 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link
can we get back to "truffle fries" now?
― da croupier, Friday, 4 June 2010 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link
This thread is making me want to give war a chance.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 4 June 2010 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link
so, MIA is like the clash with more colorful tops?
― scott seward, Friday, 4 June 2010 15:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Pretty much.
― drop it like it's hot, Elena (HI DERE), Friday, 4 June 2010 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link
If you go back to the NME/Melody Maker reviews of the second Clash album, you actually see pretty much the same arguments [nabisco] is making about casual use of revolutionary violence. It's Joe Strummer's Red Brigade shirt all over again.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 4 June 2010 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I once asked Nabisco himself why Pitchfork's style is "blah blah-- excuse me-- blah blah" rather than "blah blah -- excuse me -- blah blah" and he said it had to do with line breaks (you wouldn't want to split one of those double hyphens), but yeah I don't know why they don't just use em-dashes.
― jaymc, Friday, 4 June 2010 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i knew you'd be with me on that, jaymc
― max, Friday, 4 June 2010 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link
MIAdashes
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Friday, 4 June 2010 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link
this drives me insane.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 4 June 2010 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link
trying to keep up with everybody's great jokes?
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Friday, 4 June 2010 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
somewhere between lack of em dashes and m.i.a.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 4 June 2010 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
btw this week's Talk Of The Town section finally makes clear that in the New Yorker's style guide, 'douche bag' is written as two words.
― Yes! Yes! Hammerheads! (Jon Lewis), Friday, 4 June 2010 16:13 (thirteen years ago) link
new yorker's style guide is pretty wacky though, right? every issue i come across some new word that has umlauts, apparently. like just last week: "trüffle fries"
― tylerw, Friday, 4 June 2010 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah their umlauts crack me up. There's probs a dedicated thread for NYer style I suppose.
― Yes! Yes! Hammerheads! (Jon Lewis), Friday, 4 June 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
I love their tenacity with the umlauts, like they're worried people will read reentry rather than reëntry and freak out.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 4 June 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
REEN-tree
― the british must pay for this (HI DERE), Friday, 4 June 2010 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
COORD-inated.
― Yes! Yes! Hammerheads! (Jon Lewis), Friday, 4 June 2010 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
"what in the hell does 'kewperate' mean!?"
― tylerw, Friday, 4 June 2010 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
It has something to do with noted devil dice artist Coop.
― Yes! Yes! Hammerheads! (Jon Lewis), Friday, 4 June 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
i LOVE the nyt diaeresis, really wish more publications would follow suit
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 4 June 2010 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha, Jaymc, that explanation basically comes from asking Ryan why it's that way -- I think it's a question he's answered a lot. As I recall, the answer goes:
(a) when he started the site, you couldn't count on browsers handling real em-dashes, hence the double hyphens(b) if you spaced them out -- like this -- some browsers would wrap the line between the two hyphens, so it'd be like
blah blah blah -- blah blah blah
(c) so he ran them up against the first word, to fix that
And I guess eventually it just became the kind of quirk you run with? I admit, at this point it'd be kinda weird to me to read Pitchfork and see real em-dashes.
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Friday, 4 June 2010 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
hey the site didn't have videos of indie bands rambling on about their favorite tacos back then, either. GIVE US EM-DASHES.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 4 June 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
ah since you're here nabisco, i liked your piece, but i still take issue with the "everyone realises that m.i.a. isn't a sophisticated thinker" line - i mean we do, on ilx, but most mainstream media outlets take her persona at unquestioning face value - she says she's a Political Artist with a Serious Message and mostly she gets reported as such, and the message itself or its presentation or most pertinently the actual LACK of message in her material is rarely interrogated. (the reasons for this are pretty interesting - i think a lot of arts editors and even music writers still feel a real need to legitimise pop artists by reporting their "serious"/political sides.) hirschberg wasn't "exposing" m.i.a. to music writers, she was writing for a general audience under the impression that m.i.a. is a sophisticated political artist.
that is all!
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 4 June 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
"she was writing for a general audience under the impression that m.i.a. is a sophisticated political artist"
Who? They believe what?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 4 June 2010 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
lol wtf Lex
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link
most mainstream media outlets take her persona at unquestioning face value -
newsflash - most mainstream outlets take EVERY pop star's persona at unquestioning face value
Lady GaGa is WEIRD fyi!
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I am still trying to figure out exactly who this audience is, Lex. If you're talking about rabid M.I.A. fans, that probably is an even split between jaded old people who see the pattern in her incoherency that's been played out multiple times of the course of pop/rock music history (The Clash, Morrissey, Rage Against the Machine, Public Enemy and KRS-One all come to mind, let alone more fringy people like Diamanda Galas) and nicheseekers who are going to uncritically love her until she makes a musical misstep or becomes too popular to be a sign of nichedom. If you're talking about people who like "Paper Planes", I would wager a fuckton of money that most of them have no idea and don't care about what her political stances are.
― the british must pay for this (HI DERE), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
lex OTM, actually.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I think nabisco's "everyone" should be read as "everyone who cares".
― the british must pay for this (HI DERE), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link
All those people who have been basing their entire understanding of geopolitics on MIA lyrics can now thank Lynn Hirschberg for blasting the scales from their eyes.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't think lex was talking about rabid mia fans actually
― call all destroyer, Friday, 4 June 2010 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link
and i think there's prob a decent amount of casual/paper planes fans who have an impression of her as a serious political artist.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 4 June 2010 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link
y'know I've never really understood that phrase - scales? over eyes? what's that about?
don't mind me
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't even know what a serious political artists is.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
shakey read yr bible
― call all destroyer, Friday, 4 June 2010 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
How is Diamanda Galás politically incoherent?
― silence is a rhythm too (Turangalila), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Bible in vague incoherency shockah (yes I am familiar with the passage ref Saul's blindness)
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
well, denigrating someone's cultural tourism and thievery by being really fucking racist is kind of incoherent in my book (scroll down to "Diamanda vs Timbaland")
― the british must pay for this (HI DERE), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Leni Riefenstahl
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Leni was pretty incoherent.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
oh well lol if youre asking us to explain some weirdness from the bible. but scales over eyes always sounded really gross to me.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 4 June 2010 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
@call all destroyer Really? My impression is that most people are so overwhelmingly cynical about politicised musicians - far more so than at any time in the past - that it's hard to believe anyone is taking MIA super-seriously on that level. More the case that they like the music and don't much give a shit if the politics are scrambled. I just don't know who Lex is talking about.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
short answer is "college students" but really that only lasts for like 18 months
― the british must pay for this (HI DERE), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno i think people (esp. younger people) still like the idea of listening to a "political" artist w/out really critically examining what said artist is saying vs. what they are doing etc. imo rage against the machine is a great example of this.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 4 June 2010 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
mountain climbing, rats, shiny uniforms - it all comes together!
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
College students politics are pretty incoherent.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Diamanda really bringing the crazy in that letter to Timbaland.
You convert our Gold! into Mr. Fatbro's Fecal Dump, madcow. You the man, P.I.G., and so I got my SUPERNOVA UNCLEAN EYE on you. I got LOTSA time, a whole LIFE of extra time waiting for us to meet. So WATCH OUT. Unlike YOU, I come alone.TA MATIA SOU? 666, mamafucker.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
i'd like to hear her sing that
― tylerw, Friday, 4 June 2010 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I'd like to hear Rodd Keith sing that!
― Yes! Yes! Hammerheads! (Jon Lewis), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
HI DERE, ah, yeah. I thought you were referring to the AIDS & genocide stuff, which has been prevalent throughout her career. That thing she wrote makes very little sense - maybe senility is finally kicking in.
― silence is a rhythm too (Turangalila), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I wasn't going to read the letter, but that quote is making me think I should now.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
favorite taco is al fresco style with roasted sweet potatoes and/or cassava with lettuce, radish, pickled carrots & a good salsa on a corn tortilla just fyi
― get your bucket of free wings (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
have no idea what any of that Diamanda hoohah is about tbh
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
She loves commas.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link
It's really *strange* to me though, that letter. She generally makes a lot more sense and is always super eloquent and well spoken. Maybe she was just on drugs that day.
― silence is a rhythm too (Turangalila), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
@call all destroyer Who cares if people like a political artist without going into the details? Who gets hurt? College students are meant to have incoherent but energetic ideas. It's how you learn - it's a place to start. But if you're smart then you'll dig in and learn a bit more and decide what to take from an artist's politics and what to leave. When I first heard Bring the Noise I looked up Louis Farrakhan and decided we weren't going to see eye to eye, but there was a lot more black history that I did engage with because of Public Enemy. Likewise the Clash and Sandinista for people a decade older than me. Likewise Rage, who oversimplified and had some weird sympathies (the Shining Path) but actually included a reading list in their second album. An exciting political artist can be a gateway to politics, not the endpoint.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i mean i agree but i also have no problem w/these artists getting called out a la this admittedly flawed hirschberg piece.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 4 June 2010 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I have a problem when the writer doesn't have the intellectual honesty to do the calling out correctly.
― the british must pay for this (HI DERE), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link
sure! i think i was just attempting to clarify lex's point about who the piece was "for"
― call all destroyer, Friday, 4 June 2010 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
i wasn't referring so much to a hypothetical group of people who believe m.i.a. to be serious'n'sophisticated &c, though i assume they exist, cuz i was referring to the media coverage (outside of these small music-writer circles) she receives which portrays her as such
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
This piece just annoys me because it's taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut. If you subject any politicised public figure - musician, writer, director, actor - to this kind of bad-faith dismantling then they'll look bad at some point. The only defence is that it's an entertaining read. Lex's argument that it's enlightening the hoodwinked masses rings false to me.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Or even worse, the hoodwinked music press
― the british must pay for this (HI DERE), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link
send me your hoodwinked masses, yearning to eat truffle fries
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think Hirschberg wanted to set anything straight. Like a lot of successful, entertaining profilers - Lynn Barber being a British example - she knows she gets readers and juicy commissions by posing as someone who will take no bullshit and will tell The Truth about a celebrity, which is great when it rests on insight and tough questions, and a bit cheap when it relies on snarky asides and vindictive selective quoting. I will always read these writers, because mean can be fun, especially if you don't like the interviewee in the first place, but I don't think they have any greater agenda. They're the highbrow equivalent of gossip mags which print pictures of celebrities' cellulite under the defence "We're just trying to bring them down to the readers' level."
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:42 (thirteen years ago) link
"incoherent political pop stars, they're just like us"
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Pretty much, yeah. This school of journalism in a nutshell: "She think she all that but she ain't all that."
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
You know who really takes M.I.A. seriously? M.I.A.
Anyway, what really emphasized the piece as a takedown piece was M.I.A.'s stupid, incoherent reaction to being taken down. Sort of an ipso facto thing.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 June 2010 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link
"highbrow equivalent of gossip mags"
Yup.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link
"Anyway, what really emphasized the piece as a takedown piece was M.I.A.'s stupid, incoherent reaction to being taken down."
I thought MIA's reaction was pretty coherent actually.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Posting the phone number was stupid.
Recording the interview and posting contrasting unedited footage is actually kind of brilliant and hilarious, if paranoid to the extreme (although you could argue it's not paranoia if someone is really out to get you; makes you think she read the Courtney Love piece before going on the interview)
― the british must pay for this (HI DERE), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Posting the phone # was childish, no doubt (but really funny as was Hirschberg's "John from Bard wants to hook up" response) but not really incoherent.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
ha yeah, that response almost justified posting the number
I halfway wonder if they coordinated this sometimes
― the british must pay for this (HI DERE), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Phone number funny. Unedited footage fantastic. Diss song? Let's not mention the diss song.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:52 (thirteen years ago) link
oh haha, I forgot about the diss song
I'm thinking that maybe everyone should stop doing diss songs for a while
― the british must pay for this (HI DERE), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
What was coherent about her posting some of the interview but not all of it? Did she record all of it? If not, why not? Did she only record those two bits? If so, why those? Did she record more but not post it? If not, why not? Could she possibly have more on tape that makes her look worse than the piece does? Who knows? That's what I mean by incoherent.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 June 2010 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Interestingly, that was very a very incoherent explanation.
― the british must pay for this (HI DERE), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Huh, I thought I made sense, though I did set myself up for the zing. But were those the only two bits of the interview she took issue with, or the only two she had the means to refute?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 June 2010 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah that was way more about me not being able to resist an easy joke than you not making sense, sorry
although it does seem to be kind of a weird thing to worry about
― the british must pay for this (HI DERE), Friday, 4 June 2010 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link
http://nighthawknews.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/allpresmen.jpg
"Why did she only mention those extracts? What else is on the tapes?"
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 4 June 2010 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
"But were those the only two bits of the interview she took issue with, or the only two she had the means to refute?"
I think she figured posting an entire hour-ish long interview was less effective that just pointing out two instances where the writer was clearly playing fast and loose with the facts and letting people draw their own conclusions about Hirschberg's ethics/motives.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 4 June 2010 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
But turnabout is fair play, is it not? How is MIA furnishing those two bits of tape recorded over the span of a few days any more trustworthy than the piece? It takes two to play fast and loose in this case.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 June 2010 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, why did she think to record the interview at all? Or does she just record everything, all the time? Like Prince? It's just so weird all around.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 June 2010 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I think you should do some investigative journalism on this burning issue
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 June 2010 18:07 (thirteen years ago) link
"How is MIA furnishing those two bits of tape recorded over the span of a few days any more trustworthy than the piece?"
It's not. But both of them undermine the trustworthiness of Hirschberg's piece which was the desired effect.
"I mean, why did she think to record the interview at all?"
You've never read Hirschberg before, have you?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 4 June 2010 18:07 (thirteen years ago) link
It's not just about Hirschberg -- I think it's not really uncommon for publicists (if not quite stars themselves) to record interviews just in case. If you're misquoted, or even if a fact-checker gets in touch to confirm something, you're better off having your own copy!
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Friday, 4 June 2010 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link
As someone who's had a couple of paranoid interviewees bring recorders along, what amazes me is that Hirschberg, seeing MIA's recorder, thought she could get away with messing around with quotes. Unless MIA was wearing a wire, which would be brilliant on many levels.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 4 June 2010 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link
From a purely selfish journalist's point of view, Hirschberg is like the abusive boyfriend who makes it hard for all future boyfriends.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 4 June 2010 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link
[nabisco], publicists totally listen in on interviews all the time, but really, I think the number of interviews counter-recorded are pretty rare. It takes someone with a track record of paranoia. Again, like Prince. Or hey, maybe even MIA!
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 June 2010 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Which actually does really emphasize the (totally compelling, I know) mystery. Was the recorder hidden? Did MIA expect to be misquoted? Then why sit for the interview at all if she didn't trust the interviewer? Why not threaten the reporter by revealing the recorder at the start, since that would have preempted any tomfoolery? Just odd.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 June 2010 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
my understanding is that prince refuses to be recorded--remember that controversy from the nyer a year or two ago where the reporter quoted him condemning gay sex, and he said he didnt, and there was no record because he didnt want to be recorded
― max, Friday, 4 June 2010 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link
would've been funnier if the CIA had been recording the interview
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 June 2010 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link
xp Prince does record all interviews, AFAIK. But most interviewers are allowed only a pad and paper. Like tons of interviewers, for that matter. Who really thinks those massive off the record New Yorker pieces or investigative epics are all on tape in Seymour Hersh's trunk somewhere?
Anyway, the artists most likely to counter-record are also one presumes the artists most likely to say something stupid or get misquoted, right? So the secret recorders one would think would be a lot more pervasive, frequent and forthcoming in their refutations, considering they're the ones that set and sprung the trap. So why doesn't this happen more often?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 June 2010 18:23 (thirteen years ago) link
The CIA are about to post their own recording, along with their own diss track.
xpost At one point Prince nixed even handwritten notes, so someone I knew had to go and talk to him for an hour then come out and scribble it all down in the bathroom. Don't really know how you can complain about being misquoted if you do ridiculous shit like that.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 4 June 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I think Fuzzy Dunlop had something to do with this.
― Yes! Yes! Hammerheads! (Jon Lewis), Friday, 4 June 2010 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I've never had a subject bring a recorder to my interview but actually that scenario is 1000 times better than publicists sitting in, which just feels invasive to me, since I don't micromanage their working days.
― I eat truffle fries because my captors say they'll kill me if I don't (suzy), Friday, 4 June 2010 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I've interviewed people over the phone before where I asked them a question, they responded with "uhhhh...." and then this third party I didn't know was there chimed in and said "they can't answer that."
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 June 2010 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link
"Was the recorder hidden?"
Why does that matter?
" Did MIA expect to be misquoted?"
Clearly.
"Then why sit for the interview at all if she didn't trust the interviewer?"
Cuz it's still the New York Times.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 4 June 2010 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link
I like the middle of nabisco's essay -- especially his tone, which is my favorite thing about his writing, actually -- but the beginning is ehhhh and this part confused me:
A lot of people seemed to read that Times piece and feel like M.I.A. was being exposed as somehow fraudulent. If she is, it's not because she's so politically "wrong"-- it's that her cloak has slipped for a second, and people have noticed just how much it's something she enjoys putting on.
Too unspecific a remark, I think. Substitute "Madonna" or, yeah, "Joe Strummer" and it still resonates, but doesn't capture the uniqueness of The M.I.A. Problem, especially as he's described it in the previous grafs.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 June 2010 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link
So better to be misquoted than to not be quoted at all?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 June 2010 19:31 (thirteen years ago) link
I have an opinion on that but it is unnecessarily inflammatory (ie, racial)
― the british must pay for this (HI DERE), Friday, 4 June 2010 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
x-post to Alex in SF: That's even more cynical than I give her credit for, tbh. Hide a tape recorder to catch yourself being misquoted by a journalist you don't trust just to get into the New York Times and then fight for a correction? Byzantine.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 June 2010 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link
well now i'm all curious, dan!
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Friday, 4 June 2010 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
same here!
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 June 2010 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Well it's inflammatory because it's easily deflatable but I think there's an element of "magic Tamil" (for lack of a better phrase) going on here where I think there is some overt or subconscious expectation that having brown skin and spending some time growing up in Sri Lanka will automatically make M.I.A. into a sage, consistent and reliable narrator on events there. Where those inconsistencies pop up, they aren't taken as part of the environment she grew up in across her entire life and the people she's associated with; they're instead betrayals of some idealized image of her that seems to be hammered much harder in her case than it is for white performers doing similar things, and I think this pretty much is a reaction to dark-skinned people nonchalantly talking about violence fascinating and scaring white people.
― the british must pay for this (HI DERE), Friday, 4 June 2010 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
"So better to be misquoted than to not be quoted at all?"
I think the line of thinking is that if you are misquoted that it's good to have tape recordings to prove that you were misquoted. It's pretty clear that this was win-win for her whether or not the piece was "trustworthy" or not. We're still talking about it a week later after all.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 4 June 2010 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link
It's pretty clear that this was win-win for her whether or not the piece was "trustworthy" or not. We're still talking about it a week later after all.
Oh, how the bar has been set low.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 June 2010 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link
It's pretty clear that this was win-win for her...
Uh, no.
― Bill Magill, Friday, 4 June 2010 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Do you guys actually not understand how publicity works?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 4 June 2010 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
HI DERE, I think you're way off if you don't think MIA is totally presenting herself as an "authentic" voice. This isn't just people seeing dark-skin and going, "Oh, she must know what she's talking about." She definitely has a very insider thing going on. Even lyrically, she has this kind of poetic obscurity where you don't know what exactly she's talking about, but you trust that's because she knows something you don't.
― Mordy, Friday, 4 June 2010 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
"Even lyrically, she has this kind of poetic obscurity where you don't know what exactly she's talking about, but you trust that's because she knows something you don't."
Like the guy in Bush.
― scott seward, Friday, 4 June 2010 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Or Michael Stipe!
― da croupier, Friday, 4 June 2010 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Right, but not like Madonna really who is pretty easy to parse.
― Mordy, Friday, 4 June 2010 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
See, this leap from "personal experience" to "mouthpiece for Sri Lanka" is kind of exactly what I'm talking about.
― the british must pay for this (HI DERE), Friday, 4 June 2010 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link
are you really sure your trust in the wisdom behind her "poetic obscurity" is totally divorced from exoticism, mordy?
― da croupier, Friday, 4 June 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
As opposed to just dismissing it as shitty lyric writing? I mean, some of it is evocative. Like any artist, either it's obscure and interesting or obscure and awful. If it's obscure and interesting you assume that there is something insider going on (like Dylan as the ultimate insider). When you find out that their insider image is actually compromised, you're kinda put off.
― Mordy, Friday, 4 June 2010 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link
an interesting artist to compare her to might be K'naan, who doesn't come off as exotic or obscure, but as easily parsed and as an insider.
― Mordy, Friday, 4 June 2010 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link
^I was actually thinking of K'Naan while reading Nabisco's piece and forgot to mention him here.
― jaymc, Friday, 4 June 2010 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
If it's obscure and interesting you assume that there is something insider going on (like Dylan as the ultimate insider). When you find out that their insider image is actually compromised, you're kinda put off.
I am pretty sure all of those "you"s should be "I"s
― the british must pay for this (HI DERE), Friday, 4 June 2010 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
like I don't think you could write this kind of hitjob on k'naan, not least because he is much more open about what he's talking about. part of MIA's mystique is that she's willing to be full of shit (which is why she gets compared so much to lady gaga). so when you point out how full of shit she is, it makes an impact on her image. if someone wrote a similar piece about k'naan, they'd come off as a total dick. no one thinks he's trying to speak for anyone but his own experience. i think it's telling that people don't feel the same way about MIA, and not just because she has dark skin.
― Mordy, Friday, 4 June 2010 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay, I'm willing to say that's my thing, but I don't think it's unique to me. Using obscure language generally indicates that someone is an insider. Look at how jargon is used in specialized fields or academia. It's a way of connoting that you're an insider and people who don't understand the language are outsiders. I don't think this is ONLY my thing.
― Mordy, Friday, 4 June 2010 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Isn't K'naan's entire artistic persona built around the idea of saying primarily positive, uplifting stuff, and as a result about a bazillion times less controversial and prone to scrutiny than people who say incendiary stuff?
― the british must pay for this (HI DERE), Friday, 4 June 2010 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Just you wait until K'naan gets his NYT magazine profile and mouths off about Poppy Bush invading Somalia.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 June 2010 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know. He talks about how much his life in Somalia sucked. Some of his stuff is uplifting, but some is depressing. Also, MIA isn't REALLY incendiary. It has like the tone of being incendiary, but saying, "I'm not pro peace, I'm pro violence," is pretty banal under scrutiny. Is she saying that she believes that political difference should be settled through violence and not compromise? Is she saying that all politics are founded on coercive power? Is she saying that all states have a history of violence that they cover up? Is she saying that genocide is good if you don't get along with the people you like? Is she saying sometimes it just feels good to hit something? I mean, it's sound incendiary, but it's not actually saying anything at all.
― Mordy, Friday, 4 June 2010 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
"Is she saying that genocide is good if you don't get along with the people you like?" lol. total typo.
― Mordy, Friday, 4 June 2010 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
re insider jargon:
Aziz: Hey, rumba nala patih!M.I.A.: Huh?Aziz: You speak Tamil right?M.I.A.: Yeah...Aziz: So I was saying, rumba nala patih..M.I.A.: (Smiles as she gets in her ride)
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 4 June 2010 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
hahahahahahahahahaha I finally read that blog entry, it is really fantastic
― the british must pay for this (HI DERE), Friday, 4 June 2010 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Mordy, you're on a hiding to nothing comparing pop lyrics, or any art, with academic language. Musicians are lyrically obscure for a whole host of reasons - if they're insiders, then it is only in the sense that they are inside their own heads. MIA isn't using Sri Lankan insider language - she's playing with phrases, in a typically hip hop way.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 4 June 2010 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Mostly I was thinking about this Nabisco line:
"In my personal observation, not that many people who transfer between the third world and the first-- even at the age Arulpragasam did-- are anywhere near so blithe and carefree about packaging themselves as authentic representatives of this stuff."
And this K'Naan line, from "What's Hardcore?":"If I rhymed about home and got descriptive / I'd make 50 Cent look like Limp Bizkit."
And so K'Naan is engaging in a certain kind of oneupsmanship w/r/t who comes from the more violent or hardscrabble background, who's more authentically "hardcore." But as I understand it, his larger point is that anyone who *truly* experienced violence (like he had) wouldn't want or need to fetishize it.
― jaymc, Friday, 4 June 2010 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
^^ This OTM.
― Mordy, Friday, 4 June 2010 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
If it's not obvious, I'm almost entirely with Dan on this front.
Plus basically I think there's a level on which M.I.A. has participated in that. I think she's used some of the fascination Dan's talking about to open certain windows for herself. Which I think has mostly helped her, but is also kind of a problem for her.
For instance, it means that when an article suggests she might just be a normal messy human and not some righteous genius, people might be surprised and think she suddenly looks "fraudulent" or "inauthentic" -- not because she ever actually claimed to be a righteous genius, but because she was open about letting people project that onto her. I don't know if "courted" is the right word, but I feel like she happily absorbed those expectations.
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Friday, 4 June 2010 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
just to add to the discussion, I have never met a single person in my life who has really given a shit about mia
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 4 June 2010 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link
No one on this thread has suggested that critics are people.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 June 2010 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Other people you could compare/contrast with M.I.A. include Akon, Kenna, and Wyclef. (Each of their backgrounds probably includes more proximity with poverty than major political violence, but Kenna grew up under a not-very-nice regime and Akon might have been around for a Senegal/Mauritania border war.)
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Friday, 4 June 2010 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
what about hitler
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 4 June 2010 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link
xp I think the gender/class differences between those three artists and MIA are not insignificant. For better or worse, I don't think there really is anyone quite like her.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 4 June 2010 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh, I know, for sure. These are just the first pop people to mind who could maybe have drawn certain things from their backgrounds, if they'd wanted to. The only one who's come remotely close is Wyclef, I think, and that's still a long, long distance.
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Friday, 4 June 2010 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't see the comparison. MIA's dad was a Tamil revolutionary scholar. It's not just that she's Sri Lankan. (Not to take anything away from your terrific blog btw - I just don't see much point in putting her next to Akon.)
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 4 June 2010 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the idea is "people whose backgrounds might have helped them have things to say about things like the third world, global poverty, or political violence."
So the compare/contrast is look at four people who grew up in Senegal, Somalia, Ethiopia, and Haiti and how they have or have not chosen to refer to that experience after coming to the west and making pop. Obviously with Akon this is a HUGE "contrast!"
And it's not just about her father or Sri Lanka -- I mean, she pulls music from around the world, records in Liberia, gets Afrikan Boy on a track, mentions spots around the world in songs, talks about a UK immigrant perspective ... I think she's pretty clearly trying to pull together something global with her music, right?
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Friday, 4 June 2010 23:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Nabisco, I thought your piece was great - it's what the Hirschberg piece should have been if she was interested in substantively dealing with issues instead of gossip/scoring points. I agree with your points, but I think it's interesting that you made it through a whole piece describing MIA's complicated relationship with the imagery of political violence without once mentioning the words "War on Terror", "9/11", etc. - maybe that stuff has become just part of the air we breathe nowadays so that it doesn't need mentioning, but I think it underestimates the sophistication of MIA's political critique to leave out the other side - namely the side of those like George W. Bush who used the intentionally vague specter of "terrorism" to cudgel political opponents and fuel a hubristic geopolitical program. I think MIA astutely realized that the vagueness around this concept of "terrorism" was a double-edged sword, and she figured out how to play the other side, in a way that could be hip and appealing to many. So you can see it as naive sloganeering, but you can also see her intentional vagueness as part of her message - that "terrorism" has become what I think Frank Kogan would call a "superword" - ie., a word that can settle disputes based on who has the authority to apply it.
― o. nate, Friday, 4 June 2010 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyways, I'm in the mood to forgive MIA a lot right now, since I just heard the Sleigh Bells album for the first time. Holy shit!
― o. nate, Saturday, 5 June 2010 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link
im not sure that 'at least shes not gwb' is a good enough reason to give her a pass for being just as cartoony
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Saturday, 5 June 2010 00:38 (thirteen years ago) link
I think that MIA, like anyone else in her artist class/position, felt a little entitled and then burned by that immigration snafu. If memory serves, she upped the stridency level significantly shortly thereafter, no doubt encouraged by the notion that getting shut out of the US for a bit bought her some extra cred.
Two more things: since "Kala" came out, I've wondered to myself the significance of "recorded in Liberia." What does this even mean, symbolically? Why there?
Also, much more than the silly truffle-kerfuffle, MIA's cheeky boast that she basically remade he LA mansion into a "commune" with 8 of her friends rubbed me the wrong way, like she was justifying the largess by, like, spinning it into a move for the people. I mean, gosh, they even had to buy the house next door to make more room!
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 5 June 2010 00:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh, and a genuine question: what is the general feeling toward MIA in the UK, where her origins might resound a little more loudly than they do in the US? Since we are talking race and politics and racial politics, I'd suggest her exotic "otherness" as a person of Indian descent is greatly overestimated, at least in America, which is generally preoccupied by Latinos and persons of African descent, discourse-wise, for obvious historic and/or geographic reasons.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 5 June 2010 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh, and Nabisco, you're right: there is something larger, more "global" at work with MIA. But I can't quite put my finger on how it differs from the international ways of, say, Bjork, whose music is just as much a polyglot hodge-podge.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 5 June 2010 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Friday, June 4, 2010 8:38 PM (31 minutes ago)
lol thread connections
― fman29.5 (k3vin k.), Saturday, 5 June 2010 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link
so what did people think of the fashion spread in the magazine? the silence is deafening!
― scott seward, Saturday, 5 June 2010 01:29 (thirteen years ago) link
burn baby burn
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/misc/pixel.gif
― scott seward, Saturday, 5 June 2010 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link
i haven't really read hardly any of this thread, but i agree with Dan, and tbh i find myself lazily falling into this kind of judgment of M.I.A. myself all the time.
Dan, if you haven't read it already, I think you would dig the essay "Where Have All the Natives Gone?" by Rey Ch0w.
― horseshoe, Saturday, 5 June 2010 04:28 (thirteen years ago) link
hs have you read [nabisco]'s piece yet
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Saturday, 5 June 2010 06:54 (thirteen years ago) link
That Diamanda > Timbaland thing linked way upthread is batshit but this line is A+
"The BIGGEST problem with your sampling, TOOL- LW(u)B(e), is that afterwards our music smells of your shit."
(no idea what TOOL-LW(u)B(e) means)
― this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Saturday, 5 June 2010 08:59 (thirteen years ago) link
nabisco's piece is really good, and o. nate is also otm with this:
I think MIA astutely realized that the vagueness around this concept of "terrorism" was a double-edged sword
i mean, piracy funds terrorism was a great, cheeky, punky title at its precise moment, and her positioning was definitely a response to the way "terrorism" was being used by the bush administration and western governments more generally, as a pretext for all kinds of neo-imperialist bullshit. otoh, responding to that is in itself basically accepting a western framing of the subject, and nabisco is right that her basic framing really is western no matter what kind of global-south persona she likes to put on.
on the other other hand, it's interesting to me how much all of this discussion really kind of mirrors the debates about the social relevance/responsibility of gangsta rap 15-20 years ago. in both cases you have artists indulging violent fantasies and adopting fashionably rebel personas, while insisting that they're just telling it like it is. (and you wouldn't understand, cuz you're not from the 'hood.) in that sense i think she's been successful at taking the gangsta template and expanding it to fit her needs.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 5 June 2010 14:09 (thirteen years ago) link
the lyrics to Born Free make it a better response song to the recent controversy.
― Armand Van Helden Vocal Remix (Spinspin Sugah), Saturday, 5 June 2010 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, MIA isn't REALLY incendiary. It has like the tone of being incendiary, but saying, "I'm not pro peace, I'm pro violence," is pretty banal under scrutiny. Is she saying that she believes that political difference should be settled through violence and not compromise? Is she saying that all politics are founded on coercive power? Is she saying that all states have a history of violence that they cover up? Is she saying that genocide is good if you don't get along with the people you like? Is she saying sometimes it just feels good to hit something? I mean, it's sound incendiary, but it's not actually saying anything at all.
the whole "saying nothing" claim falls apart if you're pulling four distinct possible interpretations for an offhand NYT quote.
― blair x-soul (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 6 June 2010 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/jun/13/mia-feature-miranda-sawyerGuardian piece and whatnot.
― piscesx, Sunday, 13 June 2010 02:37 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.7digital.com/artists/m-i-a/y/?src=HottestBoxuk
Snippets of every track right there.
― piscesx, Sunday, 13 June 2010 02:39 (thirteen years ago) link
really stoked for this. "tell me why"!!!
― exit through the (Tape Store), Monday, 14 June 2010 07:27 (thirteen years ago) link
http://rebelfrequencies.blogspot.com/2010/06/why-hirschberg-is-wrong.html
― bad fog, Monday, 14 June 2010 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Regardless of the crap nature of Hirschberg's article, the phone number thing was a straight-up dick move.
― Simon H., Monday, 14 June 2010 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link
A hilarious straight-up dick move.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 14 June 2010 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link
let's just keep repeating those two sentiments eternally.
― delanie griffith (s1ocki), Monday, 14 June 2010 22:19 (thirteen years ago) link
"radical music journalism", eh
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 14 June 2010 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
the only fitting sort to cover m.i.a.'s "radical political music"
"Regardless of the crap nature of Hirschberg's article, the phone number thing was a straight-up dick move.A hilarious straight-up dick move."
Does Buddyhead still post Fred Durst's new phone number every Ash Wednesday?
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 14 June 2010 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
http://rebelfrequencies.blogspot.com/2010/06/why-hirschberg-is-wrong.html
Okay, as someone who thought the Hirschberg story was a piece of shit, I kind of feel obligated to tell this person that massively brownnosing M.I.A. will not convince her to fuck you.
― rugged and unrelenting (even brutal) (HI DERE), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 00:13 (thirteen years ago) link
What would M.I.A. think if Hirschberg had posted her cell phone number? Dick move?
― Adam Bruneau, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 03:54 (thirteen years ago) link
M.I.A. doesn't use technology created by the CIA, duh
― ksh, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 03:55 (thirteen years ago) link
So any thoughts on the album yet? The two reggae-ish cuts are sort of weird, and I liked Meds and Feds better when it didnt have vocals and was called "Treats" but otherwise, it's pretty decent. Mostly unexpected/not at all reminiscent of the first two albums - a less direct/foreseeable step but a neat one nonetheless.
― Alex in Montreal, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 04:58 (thirteen years ago) link
It Takes A Muscle is a cover of.. this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMVX5EH4lvs
― piscesx, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 05:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Supposedly this has leaked...and there's been no discussion. It can't be that disappointing right?
― Davek (davek_00), Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I heard it leaked in pretty low quality.
Apparently I have "standards" about leaks.
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
i really don't think any conclusions can be drawn, at this point, about what the critical and/or popular response to the album will be. in fact, if i had to guess, i think the backlash against mia won't arrive until album no. 4.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
ppl will care about the record itself for at least a week
― ksh, Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link
i rather like it. it's sharp and noisy.
― borntohula, Monday, 21 June 2010 01:45 (thirteen years ago) link
― Alex in Montreal
Then you might want to listen to the source sample:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnSuRHiW988
― Moka, Monday, 21 June 2010 06:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I have! That was what I meant. I adore the Sleigh Bells LP and when I heard that Derek Miller would be doing some production on /\/\/\Y/\ I had anticipated Sleigh Bells-esque beats for M.I.A., not a straight rip of one of my favourite moments on Treats, marred by so-so vocals.
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, 21 June 2010 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link
lol ok sorry, I sort of expected you already knew the source sample but didn't want to draw any conclusions since it seems noone else has mentioned the Sleigh Bells connection in this thread. Yeah, gotta agree MIA's vocals on this one are extremely lazy... feels like she's excusing her apathy by quoting post-punk.
― Moka, Monday, 21 June 2010 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean on the whole album, not just this song.
http://www.gq.com/entertainment/celebrities/201007/mia-profile
no mention of truffle fries
― johnny crunch, Friday, 25 June 2010 00:04 (thirteen years ago) link
When GQ asks me for a 7,000-word piece on M.I.A., I agree quickly. (M.I.A.—what fun!) The next day, I wake up with buyer's remorse. Did they say 7,000 words?
what the
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Friday, 25 June 2010 02:01 (thirteen years ago) link
is that really
― super sl0cki double dare (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 25 June 2010 02:03 (thirteen years ago) link
who the hell is g4ry sht3yngart -- never seen that byline in GQ before from what i can recall
― ripe dick clark (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 02:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Novelist who wrote "The Russian Debutante's Handbook" and "Absurdistan"; some of his work has been featured in the New Yorker.
― o. nate, Friday, 25 June 2010 02:19 (thirteen years ago) link
lol for all the similarities in our cultural interests jordan there are clearly some large non overlapping territories
― max, Friday, 25 June 2010 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i don't read the new yorker
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:11 (thirteen years ago) link
hes a pretty famous novelist
― max, Friday, 25 June 2010 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link
you know, for a novelist
― max, Friday, 25 June 2010 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I should write that line down.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe he should stick to novels
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
She also drops finer lyrics than just about anyone with a gold chain knocking against his chest.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand there it is
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:14 (thirteen years ago) link
lmao super ilxor convo just there
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Seven thousand words, though. Holy shit.
For me, listening to contemporary hip-hop is just a way to summon an attitude, to blend in with a more powerful person's sense of himself and to pretend that I also possess some of that ineffable power
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
i meant message board ilxor btw not ilxor 'ilxor'
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
I think to myself, The refugee is strong in this one.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:18 (thirteen years ago) link
yo this is insufferable -- is this guy "famous for a novelist" to the point where he thinks it's okay to start writing about what he was like in college or?
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link
like, it's not cute to be all "they want me to write so many words!" and then just write boring bullshit and then print it in a magazine -- this is why we have had editors
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Ice Cube seemed like he came from a world where the apocalypse had already wiped clean any vestige of hope—an exciting, existentialist posture for a 20-year-old cracker still unsure of how to play the opposite sex.
HOW AM I READING ANOTHER ONE OF THESE ARTICLES
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:21 (thirteen years ago) link
he can peer right into Ice Cube's mind
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Since its East Coast inception and up to its recent blinged-out downfall, hip-hop has always been an exhilarating form of tourism for privileged young Americans, a journey into that shit-stained part of the country that always seems so near and yet so far. Bitch, you shoulda put a sock on the pickle, Ice Cube rapped firmly as he educated two guys in a Saab about the correct uses of birth control in a tone no Oberlin woman would ever tolerate. And your pussy wouldn't be blowing smoke signals. Uh, yes, I'll take that with fries.
seriously how can someone even print this -- even a magazine by and for old white men
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I stopped seriously listening to music when Ice Cube began appearing in the Friday movies
its recent blinged-out downfall
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:25 (thirteen years ago) link
ban novelists
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:26 (thirteen years ago) link
"Since its East Coast inceptionand up to its recent blinged-out downfallhip-hop has always been an exhilarating form of tourism for privileged young Americans, a journey into that shit-stained part of the country that always seems so near and yet so far. Bitch, you shoulda put a sock on the pickle,Ice Cube rapped firmly as he educated two guys in a Saab bout the correct uses of birth control in a tone no Oberlin woman would ever tolerateAnd your pussy wouldn't be blowing smoke signals. Uh, yes, I'll take that with fries."
http://blog.reidreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/steele-intern.jpg
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:27 (thirteen years ago) link
a tone no Oberlin woman would ever tolerate
amazing
― pass le corbusier (s1ocki), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:27 (thirteen years ago) link
like many men and women stumbling headlong into middle age, I just stopped giving a shit about music.
Despite her ubiquity on every iPhone in Williamsburg, there's clearly still some brand-building ahead for Maya and her label.
a highly valuable opinion
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:28 (thirteen years ago) link
kinda wish people would just stop writing about williamsburg, like, forever.
― pass le corbusier (s1ocki), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Six hours later, she approaches my table with a just-got-out-of-bed look, resembling one of the sloe-eyed Israeli girls who sleepily haunted my Hebrew school.
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:29 (thirteen years ago) link
ok i'm down with that
― pass le corbusier (s1ocki), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:29 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess you have to be really good at writing in one genre to be allowed to write so flagrantly bad in another
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:30 (thirteen years ago) link
lol Alfred
― an artist-mutant going beyond gender (The Reverend), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:30 (thirteen years ago) link
theres always something corny when white writers self-referentially refer to themselves as crackers -- like, its referencing quoting black dudes talking about white ppl so why is it quoting what maybe a black panther would have said in '68?? just weirdly outdated -- but other than that this sentence is alright
the others i dunno
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:32 (thirteen years ago) link
this gets much better once he stops talking about himself & what he did with MIA during the interview
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:37 (thirteen years ago) link
ha, diplo stole a line directly from gucci mane for this album, apparently -- i wonder if he'll get a songwriting credit
But if there's another "Paper Planes" on this album, it's "Tell Me Why," a Diplo-produced ditty that has probably the most instant catchphrase—Start throwing your hands up like you're mad at the ceiling!—since André 3000 told us to shake it like a Polaroid picture.
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:48 (thirteen years ago) link
i wonder how this guy would feel if he found out that the best line on maya's album is stolen from the current bastion of rap's blinged out downfall
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:50 (thirteen years ago) link
devastated probably
― pass le corbusier (s1ocki), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:51 (thirteen years ago) link
understandably so
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:52 (thirteen years ago) link
oh lord
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:53 (thirteen years ago) link
that shit is hilarious to me -- how perfect
I haven't read the piece yet but I would like to generally recommend modern fiction and literature, which I think is really good, probably better than Drake
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Friday, 25 June 2010 04:40 (thirteen years ago) link
haha the rare but pointed nabisco zing
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Friday, 25 June 2010 04:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i stick to non fiction
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 04:47 (thirteen years ago) link
*non phixion
― max, Friday, 25 June 2010 04:47 (thirteen years ago) link
oh, it's not too pointed, most just kidding.
I do understand and share some of the annoyances of when not-music people get assigned big music features. I think ILM also has plenty of conversations that lit people would find every bit as weird or embarrassing in the other direction, although of course I don't know that many ILM posters would be willing to tackle a magazine feature about a novelist, so it's kind of a different standard.
but there are a couple things here about dude's prose that are a bit like ... they might be different coming from someone who was more steeped in fiction/lit/magazine-writing than music writing? I don't mean that in a snotty way, it's just both things have norms and insides.
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Friday, 25 June 2010 05:00 (thirteen years ago) link
liked this profile, psyched for his new book
― just sayin, Friday, 25 June 2010 07:36 (thirteen years ago) link
the new book is really sharp and funny, I'd say much better than the first two
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Friday, 25 June 2010 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
modern fiction can blow me
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I haven't read one goddamn new book I've liked in forever
i also hate mobile phones and all this crap on tv
― plax (ico), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
felt like this for years tbh. modern fiction blows. except for Victor Pelevin.
― insert your favorite discriminatory practice here (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe it's not the books
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 25 June 2010 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
but it is
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link
name one book, I bet I can type that it sucks in this little box here and believe it
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i am sure you could
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 25 June 2010 16:13 (thirteen years ago) link
what's the last piece of fiction you've read
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
not to derail this thread entirely but my problem with modern lit is that so many authors are content to just stay within these narrow confines of traditional novel narrative structures - here's a narrator, plot goes from A to B to C, the end. *yawn*
― insert your favorite discriminatory practice here (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link
okay name a book you hate and i will try to come up with a book you will like by the principle of opposition
― horseshoe, Friday, 25 June 2010 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link
k hold on I am thinking
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link
this is an argument for a diff't thread/board tho...
re: Horseshoe. oh let's see, Zadie Smith's "White Teeth"
― insert your favorite discriminatory practice here (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link
― insert your favorite discriminatory practice here (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, June 25, 2010 12:15 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
omggggggggggggggggggggg shut upppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
― max, Friday, 25 June 2010 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link
alternately we could all drive the the nearest pencil up our respective noses.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 25 June 2010 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah maybe we shouldn't do this here.
i haven't read white teeth but i will try to think of a book that's v different from on beauty. this might not work, i'm thinking.
― horseshoe, Friday, 25 June 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
honestly I just want ppl to rec. good new books so I can read them and then ignore their posts forever if I don't like them and enjoy good books if I do like the book
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
what can I say, in this day and age I don't see the point in writing a novel that adheres to a format developed in the 19th century
― insert your favorite discriminatory practice here (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
g-gonna slowly distance myself from shakey mo here
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
can i just say that i would be totally happy to only ever read novels that adhere to a nineteenth century format?
having said that, most of the modern fiction i read does not. i mean, it is still stories about people for the most part, but apart from that...
― horseshoe, Friday, 25 June 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
seriously let's take this to another thread
― insert your favorite discriminatory practice here (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:22 (thirteen years ago) link
reading people with an avowed disinterest in modern fiction trying to diagnose its supposed problems is much, much more interesting from a rubbernecker's perspective than the latest round of stale zings about m.i.a.'s inconsistent politics and non-music crits tackling band profiles.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 25 June 2010 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link
do you hate songs too, shakey? such a played-out format.
― emotional radiohead whatever (Jordan), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Shteyngart vs. this: http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/kill-me-now/Content?oid=4319529
― Mexico, camp, horns, Zappa, Mr. Bungle (Matos W.K.), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I only read sexting
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
or sexts
― insert your favorite discriminatory practice here (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, June 25, 2010 12:19 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
omgggggggggggggggggggggggggg shut UPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
― max, Friday, 25 June 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
and sex twitters
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i think i do not have a developed enough sense of literary criticism to actually give form to this "principle of opposition" i referred to earlier.
― horseshoe, Friday, 25 June 2010 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
haha if you think people are writing songs the same way they were 150 years ago I dunno what to tell you. the formal/technical qualities of producing sound alone have changed so much, a pop song produced in 2010 is almost entirely unrecognizable from a popular ditty performed in 1860.
― insert your favorite discriminatory practice here (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
a+ trolling?
― plax (ico), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't even
― plax (ico), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I could write a lot about this and I sense people's urge/instant reaction to strawman me about this but I dunno if this is the place... I guess I can ruin this thread if that's what everyone wants haha
― insert your favorite discriminatory practice here (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah go for it
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
is me wishing Dan Savage would die a bad thing
― Opinions are a lot like assholes. You've got LOTS of BOTH of them. (HI DERE), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
yes
― pass le corbusier (s1ocki), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
also kind of a nonsequitur unless i'm missing something
― pass le corbusier (s1ocki), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
"DJ Assault, whose lyrics I actually paid to use in my last novel"
modern fiction, all is forgiven.
― like a musical album. made by a band. (fucking in the streets), Friday, 25 June 2010 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
i would really do anything to have ALL journalists and writers just stop talking about themselves
― The Makavelian 7-Day Old (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 25 June 2010 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
ah, the first person can be useful in some circumstances, it's just too often abused.
― like a musical album. made by a band. (fucking in the streets), Friday, 25 June 2010 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link
fwiw, shteyngart's short story in the recent new yorker fiction issue was great. but hirschberg's is the better mia profile by far, and not just 'cause of the truffle fries.
― like a musical album. made by a band. (fucking in the streets), Friday, 25 June 2010 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Matos's link and the repeated invocation of the phrase "brown-bread"
― Opinions are a lot like assholes. You've got LOTS of BOTH of them. (HI DERE), Friday, 25 June 2010 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I am going to shoutily state the obvious here but THIS IS WHAT I MEAN ABOUT MUSIC VS. LIT PEOPLE
There are SO MANY TIMES on this board when someone will make fun of a book/lit person for not knowing every last obscure nuance of the music world, and then turn around and say something eighty billion times more clueless/embarrassing about the nuances or inside view of literature
And frequently, when this is pointed out, they will go on to categorically deny that there is anything to even know or understand about modern literature beyond what they've picked up from NOT EVEN READING ANY
The whole thing is completely ridiculous. Seriously, completely ridiculous. It's genuinely confusing to me how anyone can enforce elitism/snobbery about a topic they know ("this guy doesn't know the first thing about music, he failed to recognize a single quote!") and then happily turn around and not only not-know the first thing about another topic, but deny that there's even anything to know. There is no shame in just admitting that you might know less about the state and history of literature than Gary Shteyngart knows about the state and history of hip-hop. Not everyone knows everything, not everyone has to be interested in everything.
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Friday, 25 June 2010 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link
<3 nabisco send me the tab for your next gin & tonic
― get your bucket of free wings (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 25 June 2010 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
he not gonna like that other thread
― plax (ico), Friday, 25 June 2010 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link
whats funny about that 'mad at the ceiling' mia quote has nothing to do w/ the author of the piece happening to have written a book, its just the groanworthy continued push to make someone seem like a much more innovative artist than they actually are through thievery / general reliance on the ignorance of their fanbase
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Friday, 25 June 2010 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean its not like crate digging, current mainstream rap quotes are not obscure references
lol @ that quote coming from the same place as "gangsta rap yankee hotel foxtrot"
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Friday, 25 June 2010 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link
"current mainstream rap quotes are not obscure references"
you'll get old too one day
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 25 June 2010 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link
trust me on this one
i dunno how helpful it is to say "well obviously this fiction writer's music crit is ill-informed, he's a fiction writer, you don't know abt contemporary fiction either". a bit beside the point. a piece of music crit is bad, i don't care what the dude's day job is.
― plax (ico), Friday, 25 June 2010 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i demand retribution
lol @ that quote coming from the same place as "gangsta rap yankee hotel foxtrot"― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Friday, June 25, 2010 4:09 PM (31 minutes ago)
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Friday, June 25, 2010 4:09 PM (31 minutes ago)
four years later this is still kinda hilarious imo
― ksh, Friday, 25 June 2010 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
nabisco, stop being such a bookist.
(hah! logocentrist : litcrit :: rockist : rockwrite ?)
― s.clover, Friday, 25 June 2010 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Absolutely! That's why I said it's not like people here are taking magazine assignments to write about novelists. I share some annoyance with the way music is the one topic where editors don't feel a need to use a writer who knows much about it.
I was just reacting to certain things upthread that seemed to be picking at his prose over things that are really quite normal elsewhere in the world.
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Friday, 25 June 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah the "mad at the ceiling" line had very little to do with the author and more to do with mia/diplo -- there was just a bit of irony in him taking potshots at contemporary rap and then praising a line on the album that happened to be stolen from a contemporary rapper -- i wouldn't expect him (or even anyone on ilx outside of deej tbh) to even remember that line
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
part of the problem with the piece from my perspective is that since its in GQ it's not really aimed for me ie someone who has read tens of MIA profiles, and even more articles by white guys talking about rap music -- it was insufferable to me but i guess it would just code as inoffensive to most GQ readers or maybe even relateable/novel -- i'm sure his novels are fantastic
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
"insufferable" meaning the first few (online) pages -- the rest of it was fine, sometimes good
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link
i wouldnt expect it but thats sorta my issue w/ the whole thing ... the level of invisibility for the actual creative artist vs. the overrated rip-off artist right??
i also dont really see what being old has to do w/ having taste
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Friday, 25 June 2010 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean pretty much my presence on this board in the past year has been reduced for most ilxors to being all 'you should pay attention to this rapper' & so when the #1 star child of music writers comes out w/ a song biting one of those rappers, which is then praised specifically for that line in a major publication by a noted writer, u gotta admit it makes sense i would find it lol
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Friday, 25 June 2010 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost one quibble, the difference between a fiction writer who slips on the music writing cloak, and a music writer who casually dismisses a lot of contemporary fiction is quite large. It's not like a music writer on ILM stretches into more foreign topics with this faux-conviction, the way a fiction writer might vice versa, although I do agree that people here can be flippant and reactionary to the world of modern-lit in a ways that belie their open mindedness to music.
― Davek (davek_00), Friday, 25 June 2010 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
you guys are also reading way too much into a shakey mo post as if it represents some secret thoughts of j0rdans
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Friday, 25 June 2010 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link
don't worry, this is being talked over with Shaky on ILE, so my reaction to it is not super-relevant to this thread anymore
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Friday, 25 June 2010 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i didn't dismiss this guy's fiction at all! in fact, i said he must be pretty good to get an assignment like this -- i don't spend a lot of time (outside of assigned readings) with fiction writing, this is true, but i don't endorse the opinions of shakey mo collier either
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link
and then turn around and say something eighty billion times more clueless/embarrassing about the nuances or inside view of literature
Or sometimes even about the nuances or inside view of music.
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Friday, 25 June 2010 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Like I say and think stupid, superficial shit about music every day, even though I also think I know something about some parts of it.
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Friday, 25 June 2010 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Meanwhile I would also like to buy nabisco a drink. Between the "'artistic' use" thread and this, maybe several.
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Friday, 25 June 2010 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
― Mexico, camp, horns, Zappa, Mr. Bungle (Matos W.K.), Friday, June 25, 2010 9:24 AM Suggest Ban PermalinkBookmark
God damn. Hating Dan Savage all over again. I mean, obviously this isn't as serious a deal as his whole "blame black people for Prop 8" thing, but dude has some race issues.
― an artist-mutant going beyond gender (The Reverend), Friday, 25 June 2010 23:12 (thirteen years ago) link
"I have never listened to this music before. Watch me to condescend to it, and despair."
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Friday, 25 June 2010 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stunt_casting
― like a musical album. made by a band. (fucking in the streets), Friday, 25 June 2010 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I didn't get the feeling that Shteyngart was criticizing commercial rap as a music critic would, ie., by trying to judge it on its own merits - rather that, as a novelist (or memoirist), he was giving an unvarnished appraisal of the way he had personally related to the music in college (on admittedly a somewhat puerile and self-centered level) and how he had personally stopped caring about it as he grew older (for reasons probably having to do with his shallow engagement with it in the first place). But he doesn't seem to imply that his personal journey should be taken as universal, or that it reflects on the intrinsic artistic worth of the form. At least that's how I read it.
― o. nate, Saturday, 26 June 2010 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Any idiot could find rhymes for anything using the pronounce-it-however-you-want approach.
he reeeeeeally should listen to gucci mane
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 26 June 2010 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
kinda wish i hadn't read this, since i dig dan savage
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 26 June 2010 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
this didnt bother me that much, it just seemed like some dude going 'lalala' with fingers in ears for an entire article which, weird
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Saturday, 26 June 2010 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
that's racist!
― Soft Sad Tecmo Bowl (Spinspin Sugah), Saturday, 26 June 2010 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Seriously though, Dan Savage has revealed himself to be an ass over the past 2 years. His column has suffered because of it and his take on modern pop solidifies his increasing irrelevance. Girlfriend is very much an old school gay.
― Soft Sad Tecmo Bowl (Spinspin Sugah), Saturday, 26 June 2010 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
garey g. shteyngarten
― max, Saturday, 26 June 2010 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I agree w Dan Savage on the Katy Perry & Ke$ha hate. That those are hit songs is reason enough to be happy that the music industry is dying.
― Beach Pomade (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 26 June 2010 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
you know you're all posting under a thread for the wrong mia.
Please respect the work of michaela grobelny by not further polluting her name by associations with m.i.a.
― Tonight I Dine on Turtle Soup (EDB), Saturday, 26 June 2010 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
actually both spell their names with periods, you get the point though.
― Tonight I Dine on Turtle Soup (EDB), Saturday, 26 June 2010 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link
what a horribly formed "j.o.k.e."
― The Makavelian 7-Day Old (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 26 June 2010 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link
was it really a joke or just earnest pedantry?
― ~athdouspart (some dude), Saturday, 26 June 2010 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link
It's just geir's I LIKE THE ORIGINAL NIRVANA ;) joke plus a whole bunch of shit I don't care about
― The Makavelian 7-Day Old (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 26 June 2010 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ the one song from that list he ended up liking being travie mccoy + bruno mars
― teledyldonix, Saturday, 26 June 2010 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ there are some other bad songs on that lis, but "Billionaire" is just another level of shite. but still, his taste doesn't bother me nearly as much as his racial angst
― suge ♞ (The Reverend), Saturday, 26 June 2010 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
The comments in that savage column are this OMG BRAGGIN 2010 faux-naïveté bullshit like "Ive never heard ANY of these songs" and "WHO IS THIS 'Katie Perry'" which is like cool Internet post-millenial white-boy version of "I don't even OWN a tv" v. 2.0
― The Makavelian 7-Day Old (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 27 June 2010 01:13 (thirteen years ago) link
― suge ♞ (The Reverend), Saturday, June 26, 2010 6:26 PM (2 hours ago)
???
― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Sunday, 27 June 2010 01:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess that's a briticism? I picked it up from my (distinctly non-british) dad.
― suge ♞ (The Reverend), Sunday, 27 June 2010 01:35 (thirteen years ago) link
The savage column was a pretty entertaining troll, I thought. And its not like he was without smart things to say about eminem and gaga in particular.
― s.clover, Sunday, 27 June 2010 01:57 (thirteen years ago) link
there are some other bad songs on that lis
All of those songs are bad.
― exit through the (Tape Store), Sunday, 27 June 2010 02:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I f/w a good 50% of them to various extents. I'm very surprised you don't like at least "Alejandro".
― suge ♞ (The Reverend), Sunday, 27 June 2010 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i fuck with a good four songs out of that 10
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 27 June 2010 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link
alejandro is top 10 of the year for me
dan savage is retarded
― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Sunday, 27 June 2010 03:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Isn't that rap now? All of these monotonous rap songs are playing in Panera Bread cafes and suburban basements all over the country. Usher, B.o.B.—they're today's Pat Boones, boring and safe—so... brown-bread.
http://fourfour.typepad.com/fourfour/2009/11/if-hes-black-he-must-rap.html
― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Sunday, 27 June 2010 03:35 (thirteen years ago) link
god, what a fucking unbelievable idiot
― The Makavelian 7-Day Old (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 27 June 2010 03:41 (thirteen years ago) link
he writes like a racist seventeen year old
― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Sunday, 27 June 2010 03:42 (thirteen years ago) link
did he mention he was a theater queen?
Um...so having it in HQ makes a big difference, as opposed to whatever the shitty webrip we had before was. It's not as stellar as the first two albums, but it's far more impressive (and risky in some ways) than I initially thought.
Gotta spend more time with it to figure out what she's on about half the time, but the sonics are clicking with me...something about the oppressive and abrasive noise combined with the disgusting oppressive humid weather this week are a lethal combination.
― Alex in Montreal, Wednesday, 7 July 2010 01:15 (thirteen years ago) link
connected to the google, connected to the government
― ᶠᵧᶸₒᶜᵤᵏ (LOLK), Wednesday, 7 July 2010 01:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm a big fan of the noisy shit on this one. Not sure how I feel about the more pleasant moments, though!
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Wednesday, 7 July 2010 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I listened to the tracks she has posted right now on her myspace page this morning. I think it has all or most of the tracks from the new album. I gotta say, I'm liking it. Definitely a pretty big departure in terms of sound from the previous two. The noisiness suits her well. It sounds modern, not just like some post-punk stuff getting recycled.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 7 July 2010 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
sounds like a hot mess imo
― emotional radiohead whatever (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 July 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
the first part of teqkilla always makes me think of that mr show sketch where the dalai lama is battle rapping at the fat kid's summar camp
― emotional radiohead whatever (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 July 2010 17:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess I kinda like the hot mess aspect of it on first listen. The tracks that sound like actual songs are the weakest part to me.
I need to spend more time with this though before I can really make any semi-intelligent comments about it.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 7 July 2010 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link
god teqkilla is so awful
― ᶠᵧᶸₒᶜᵤᵏ (LOLK), Wednesday, 7 July 2010 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link
where the dalai lama is battle rapping at the fat kid's summar camp
a rap, a rap! a rap rap rap! heeeey! hoooo! heeey! hoooo!
― has arlen specter never heard clarence thomas's laugh? (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 7 July 2010 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know why, but the song that she did with Sleigh Bells, Meds and Feds (where she used the riff that is already used on a song in Treats) really bothered me. The Sleigh Bells version made me much happier...
― juicebox, Wednesday, 7 July 2010 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i27.tinypic.com/adp9gl.png
I lol'ed.
― ô_o (Nicole), Wednesday, 7 July 2010 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Five tracks plus a remix up on Spotify. "Teqkilla", UGH.
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 8 July 2010 09:09 (thirteen years ago) link
this album is great! yeah!
― Soft Sad Tecmo Bowl (Spinspin Sugah), Thursday, 8 July 2010 09:39 (thirteen years ago) link
this album is fucking unlistenable. it sounds like something Tigerbeat6 would have buried in 2001
― beiber, benz or bentley (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 8 July 2010 12:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I dont think she'll have a hit w this, but im liking the industrial noisey feel!
― Beach Pomade (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 8 July 2010 13:09 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDmFl0zfxTk
― beiber, benz or bentley (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 8 July 2010 13:21 (thirteen years ago) link
WTF is this...
― rennavate, Thursday, 8 July 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
This existed?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RN3peeoPbY
― Attention all Whiney fans! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 9 July 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Gotta say good work MIA on burying that
― Attention all Whiney fans! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 9 July 2010 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
stop whining
― is this the end of zombie Shakespeare? (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 10 July 2010 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
http://shadowwar.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/stop-whining.jpeg
― Evan, Saturday, 10 July 2010 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link
/ \ / \ / \ Y / \ Got the pitchfork review that I was hoping Congratulations would get.
― Bait Goin' Ham (makeitpop), Monday, 12 July 2010 06:24 (thirteen years ago) link
i thought that it was gonna get in the low 7s, like, this has some real shit, but some real bangers, and is generally not the greatest direction for her
but i haven't listened to the album yet and underestimated its terribleness
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Monday, 12 July 2010 06:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought the first single was garbage, but was embarrassed to say it cause the sample was for a cool band i was supposed to know about but had never actually listened to.
― Bait Goin' Ham (makeitpop), Monday, 12 July 2010 06:33 (thirteen years ago) link
for = from
glad to have you back
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Monday, 12 July 2010 06:34 (thirteen years ago) link
NEVER FORGET 7/12
― buzza, Monday, 12 July 2010 06:35 (thirteen years ago) link
damn, THAT'S WHAT'S UP
Pitchfork overrated this piece of shit if you ask me
― ᵧₒᵤᶫᵒSᵉ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 12 July 2010 06:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Man, I bet tomorrow's gonna be a fun day to be Hipster Runoff huh
Waiting for tomorrow's blogs to update is gonna be like waiting for Schadenfreude Santa
― ᵧₒᵤᶫᵒSᵉ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 12 July 2010 06:37 (thirteen years ago) link
cant wait for mias tweets
― max, Monday, 12 July 2010 06:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i wonder if she'll let pfork take over HER twitter
― ᵧₒᵤᶫᵒSᵉ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 12 July 2010 06:39 (thirteen years ago) link
oh man, i wish this album had appealing grooves!
― exit through the (Tape Store), Monday, 12 July 2010 06:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I'll be watching all the hype machine blogs that posted glowing reviews of tracks that leaked pre-4.4.
― Bait Goin' Ham (makeitpop), Monday, 12 July 2010 06:41 (thirteen years ago) link
good idea, makeitpop
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Monday, 12 July 2010 06:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Brooklyn Vegan notes that I totally called this shit.
http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2010/07/pitchfork_trash.html
― ᵧₒᵤᶫᵒSᵉ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 12 July 2010 06:43 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ perpetua criticizing the silly paranoid politics of "the message" and then calling "bird flu" a masterpiece
remember the good old days when m.i.a. lived in a mudshack and had fascinating, intelligent, nuanced political statements to make?
― exit through the (Tape Store), Monday, 12 July 2010 06:45 (thirteen years ago) link
are you and BV tight
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Monday, 12 July 2010 06:45 (thirteen years ago) link
whos got perpetuas phone number, better DM it to maya right quick
― max, Monday, 12 July 2010 06:46 (thirteen years ago) link
max your joke was preempted on twitter by molls, you're fired from gawker
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Monday, 12 July 2010 06:47 (thirteen years ago) link
J0rd, I have never met Mr. BV in real life! Although before my house burned down some of his mail used to come to my PO Box.
― ᵧₒᵤᶫᵒSᵉ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 12 July 2010 06:48 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm not unconvinced that you, a brooklyn vegan, aren't the brooklyn vegan
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Monday, 12 July 2010 06:49 (thirteen years ago) link
whiney = bvice cr?m = hipster runoffksh = scott lapatine
i knew i shouldnt have spent half an hour workshopping it
― max, Monday, 12 July 2010 06:50 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm no vegan, btw. gotta up those pics of me and hoos chowin on bbq
― ᵧₒᵤᶫᵒSᵉ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 12 July 2010 06:50 (thirteen years ago) link
oh right, you don't drink/smoke -- hard to keep track
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Monday, 12 July 2010 06:52 (thirteen years ago) link
whos got perpetuas phone number, better DM it to maya right quick― max, Monday, July 12, 2010 6:46 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
― max, Monday, July 12, 2010 6:46 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
she's got 2 be followin u on the twitter
― the food has a top snake of 1 (ulillillia), Monday, 12 July 2010 06:56 (thirteen years ago) link
ok i'm relistening to this now and i'm so fucking confused! this is def a pop album. at least as much of one as kala.
― exit through the (Tape Store), Monday, 12 July 2010 06:59 (thirteen years ago) link
http://twitter.com/fluxblog <-- suspended!
^ rip big man
― the food has a top snake of 1 (ulillillia), Monday, 12 July 2010 07:11 (thirteen years ago) link
heaven needed live pavement bootlegs
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Monday, 12 July 2010 07:12 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music/mia/creators2/28.jpg
― reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Monday, 12 July 2010 07:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i feel like i should listen to this not thru my laptop speakers, but after reading the reviews that seems like what i'm supposed to do
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Monday, 12 July 2010 07:34 (thirteen years ago) link
It's not the best idea to kick off your politically charged album with a song that demolishes the possibility of addressing a serious issue about privacy with any degree of depth or nuance.
Who does Perpetua think he's reviewing?
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Monday, 12 July 2010 08:39 (thirteen years ago) link
i have added this album to my "might listen to sometime if i can possibly bear it" along w/joanna newsom and lcd soundsystem
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 12 July 2010 08:42 (thirteen years ago) link
ehh, put the word playlist in there somewhere
Meanwhile I have no idea whence whiney is coming with "unlistenable" but whatev.
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Monday, 12 July 2010 08:47 (thirteen years ago) link
By which I mean I really like the parts of this record that sound like shit.
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Monday, 12 July 2010 08:48 (thirteen years ago) link
kind of lol, but ugh perpetua? really?
― D, dilly, dillies, dill, d-bombs (history mayne), Monday, 12 July 2010 09:04 (thirteen years ago) link
According to Metacritic I am still leading the race to give this the most damning review.
― Stevie T, Monday, 12 July 2010 09:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I gave it one star in the Neston & Ellesmere Port Chronicle but I was limited to 35 words. I guess there's a cut-off.
― Michael Jones, Monday, 12 July 2010 09:52 (thirteen years ago) link
"That song is not a total disaster, but it's certainly a missed opportunity and a poor application of a strong guitar riff."
That review is not a total disaster, but it's certainly a missed opportunity and a poor application of a 4.4 grade.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 12 July 2010 11:05 (thirteen years ago) link
are we gonna have some fun in here today or what
― les yeux sans aerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Monday, 12 July 2010 11:59 (thirteen years ago) link
man oh man
gotta go to work :(
― blap...tremendo (deej), Monday, 12 July 2010 12:21 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd120/hipsterrunoff/photographs/hro/86b7b3e9.jpg
stoked 4 the madness
― D, dilly, dillies, dill, d-bombs (history mayne), Monday, 12 July 2010 13:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Is anyone actually excited and/or looking forward to actually listening to this?
― Matt DC, Monday, 12 July 2010 13:19 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm looking forward to one of you singing the PFM review to me.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 July 2010 13:22 (thirteen years ago) link
this was playing during my Fopp browsing session today.it gave me a headache, so i bought the new Walls album instead.
― mark e, Monday, 12 July 2010 13:38 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm saying nothing.
― RIP la petite mort (acoleuthic), Monday, 12 July 2010 13:39 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^that's what all l0u1s jagg3r posts look like when I wear my They Live glasses
― ᵧₒᵤᶫᵒSᵉ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 12 July 2010 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link
dude considering I get your back more than many that's not a shrewd move
― RIP la petite mort (acoleuthic), Monday, 12 July 2010 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.tnelson.demon.co.uk/mastermind/images/mastermind1.jpg
^ LJ
― young werther's originals (s1ocki), Monday, 12 July 2010 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
two white pegs, one black peg
― RIP la petite mort (acoleuthic), Monday, 12 July 2010 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link
why are we talking about your sexual history in a MIA thread
― iatee, Monday, 12 July 2010 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
dats a zing
― max, Monday, 12 July 2010 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
more cruel zings, less pitchfork chat
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Monday, 12 July 2010 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link
why is louis 'saying nothing'? idgi
― D, dilly, dillies, dill, d-bombs (history mayne), Monday, 12 July 2010 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Obviously Louis IS MIA. A clever disguise this whole time.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 July 2010 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Just the thought that people who regard Pitchfork as Law and MIA as British Music might be having a rather conflicted day (not, I hasten to add, that many ILXors are implicated in this thought)
― RIP la petite mort (acoleuthic), Monday, 12 July 2010 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
(says the British guy who enjoys laying down the Law...)
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Monday, 12 July 2010 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm just keeping you all on your toes ;)
― RIP la petite mort (acoleuthic), Monday, 12 July 2010 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
so the new Juan Maclean comes in a longbox? pretty retro.
― reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Monday, 12 July 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
so the new Juan Maclean comes in a longbox? pretty retro wasteful
― ᵧₒᵤᶫᵒSᵉ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 12 July 2010 16:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Link?
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Monday, 12 July 2010 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
HA!
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5gd5cji0y1qzb1flo1_400.gif
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 12 July 2010 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
If they can't the facts right about the single biggest pop star of the last century then why should we care what else they say? Outrage regarding MJ had nothing to do with the quality of the 'early 1990s' records but with the fact that there weren't any court cases re the child abuse up until then. People didn't take any of it too seriously until the Jordy Chandler case in 1993. Up to that point, it had all been Bubbles the chimp, airtanks in the studio and facelifts and hearsay and gossip.
― piscesx, Monday, 12 July 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
that 4.4 rating and overall h8 is obviously meant for the artist herself, not the album....right?
― Soft Sad Tecmo Bowl (Spinspin Sugah), Monday, 12 July 2010 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I dunno. I don't like or not like Maya anymore now than I ever did, but the new album is a heap o' shit.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 12 July 2010 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Even Space?! See, I quite enjoy the chaotic nature of the album but I can see how it can be off-putting to certain ears. Especially those who were expecting her to take the next step in mainstreaming her sound, or who aren't too fond of the lo-fi aesthetic. What I don't get is how can someone appreciate Sleigh Bells, then turn around and say Maya is "too noisy".
― Soft Sad Tecmo Bowl (Spinspin Sugah), Monday, 12 July 2010 18:07 (thirteen years ago) link
*how someone can
― Soft Sad Tecmo Bowl (Spinspin Sugah), Monday, 12 July 2010 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link
XXXO and ...Muscle are as mainstream/pop friendly as Rihanna.
― piscesx, Monday, 12 July 2010 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I think Sleigh Bells are too noisy. I know that mixing right into the red is part of their thing, but my ears would be happier if they didn't do that. However, the songs are definitely there in Sleigh Bells' case. The new M.I.A. is largely shapeless and lazy, whereas her earlier albums were tight as a drum. tbh, it comes across to me as her just not caring anymore. And if she can't, I can't either.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 12 July 2010 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link
In total agreement. XXXO is the most poppy thing she's ever released imo.
― Soft Sad Tecmo Bowl (Spinspin Sugah), Monday, 12 July 2010 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
that 4.4 rating and overall h8 is obviously meant for the artist herself, not the album....right?― Soft Sad Tecmo Bowl (Spinspin Sugah), Monday, July 12, 2010 6:53 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark
― Soft Sad Tecmo Bowl (Spinspin Sugah), Monday, July 12, 2010 6:53 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark
the artist who made the album
and yeah when they're not um sampling funkadelic sleigh bells sound horribly loud
― D, dilly, dillies, dill, d-bombs (history mayne), Monday, 12 July 2010 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
― piscesx, Monday, July 12, 2010 1:51 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
why even nitpick details with such a batshit parallel. MJ = MIA and child molestation = inarticulate interview!
― some dude, Monday, 12 July 2010 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
"The piece was devastating to her credibility, and her childish response-- putting the author's cell number on Twitter-- only made matters worse."
Really? I got the distinct impression that no one outside of ILX gave a shit and ILX seemed pretty meh about her (basically non-existent) credibility and childish response.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link
nah there were definitely people outside ILX who take/took her super seriously and were shocked and dismayed, silly as it seems
― some dude, Monday, 12 July 2010 19:31 (thirteen years ago) link
On second reading, that review is even worse than I thought. For one thing it's lazy - apart from mentioning the theme of The Message he doesn't engage at all with the lyrics and why MIA might have chosen this dense, abrasive sound as a vehicle for them. He just lists producers and grumbles that they're aren't enough tunes, which is what you say about a Christina Aguilera album, not one with this much to get your teeth into. The lines where he actually engages with the music are feeble and colourless - "moments of interesting noise" ffs.
Furthermore, as pointed out by some dude, the idea that MIA has to make up for some major bad behaviour is just ridiculous - you really have to have your head up your arse to think that some simplistic/daft political statements (no more simplistic or daft than those made by Strummer, Marley or PE, by the way) are a big enough deal that she has to atone for them. He quotes Hirschberg's caricature as if it's the consensus view and presents as fact the dubious, condescending assumption that the sound of the record is about her restating her hipster bona fides to make up for marrying a rich dude, constantly acting as if the reader shares his personal animus against MIA.
None of which is to say that you couldn't make a good case for a grade this low - I'd give it about 6 - but it's like he isn't even trying. I'd say the argument was weak but there's really no argument being made here.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought her childish response was the only rock and roll thing anyone has done in years.
― kkvgz, Monday, 12 July 2010 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Plus, the idea that M.I.A. has a "public." She has one hit.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
it's matthew 'fluxblog' perpetua
― I’ll put you in a f *ckin Weingarten you c*nt! (history mayne), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Her "public" is on this thread or writing their own M.I.A. reviews.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link
The reason I'm so pissed off with it is because I actually look forward to Pitchfork reviews of big, divisive artists that spawn endless ILX threads - there's potential for some terrific writing. Compared to the two meaty Vampire Weekend album reviews (by [nabisco] and Mike Powell) this is a waste of time.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
so wait, you're saying that something written by someone who made a name for himself by being a vacant musical magpie wrote a worse review than two people who actually analyze the music they come across?
― MOATY I'M HERE (HI DERE), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
STOP THE PRESSES
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, July 12, 2010 3:34 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
not to get all 'in my world of young ppl' but c'mon dude. she may not be lady gaga but she's pretty famous/popular.
― some dude, Monday, 12 July 2010 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link
the alt report report is funnie mainly for zinging perpetua imo:
Not sure if this reviewer ‘authentically hates M.I.A.’ or if it is a rookie music writeblogger critic trying to make a name for himself in the blogisphere by ’shitting hard’ on this album/M.I.A.’s brand:Without compelling tunes, the obnoxious public antics, dubious political messages, and thin voice that had grated on her naysayers have become impossible for even dedicated fans to ignore. It’s as if everything that was great about M.I.A. has been stripped from this music, leaving behind only the most alienating aspects of her art and public persona.Seems obvi. Coulda just posted a picture of some feces and moved on, but I feel like maybe this review is an opportunity to ‘be remembered forever’ maybe.
Without compelling tunes, the obnoxious public antics, dubious political messages, and thin voice that had grated on her naysayers have become impossible for even dedicated fans to ignore. It’s as if everything that was great about M.I.A. has been stripped from this music, leaving behind only the most alienating aspects of her art and public persona.
Seems obvi. Coulda just posted a picture of some feces and moved on, but I feel like maybe this review is an opportunity to ‘be remembered forever’ maybe.
― I’ll put you in a f *ckin Weingarten you c*nt! (history mayne), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Well I don't usually read his stuff and I thought Pitchfork would assign an album this significant to a writer worthy of the job. My mistake.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ perpetua hate
― call all destroyer, Monday, 12 July 2010 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
"no more simplistic or daft than those made by Strummer, Marley or PE, by the way"
haven't spent v much time listening to Marley, but this is also otm
― exit through the (Tape Store), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Hating on Perpetua in 2010 is like still making fun of Martin Lawrence for screaming at people on Ventura Blvd.
(although, Perpetua is still Perpetua doing his Perpetua thing, and Martin Lawrence has cleaned up and cooled out...so, um, carry on!)
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 12 July 2010 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^wisdom of the ages
― gordon lishification (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i'd no idea who this perpetua guy is, i thought he was just... some guy.
― piscesx, Monday, 12 July 2010 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
all i remember about him is that he is fat and likes robyn
― exit through the (Tape Store), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
apologies if i'm wrong about either of those things! i'd hate to spread malicious rumors
― exit through the (Tape Store), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
about loving that robyn album, i mean
You are right on both articles.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 12 July 2010 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
there's a lot of info on his wiki... well, some of the older iterations anyway
― I’ll put you in a f *ckin Weingarten you c*nt! (history mayne), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
it was pretty lol when he threw a pompous hissy fit about the jukebox rating animal collective badly, along the lines of "ANCO ARE SO IMPORTANT HOW DARE YOU CRITICISE THEM" and then he made some comparison to some 80s canon indie that probably wouldn't have passed 6/10 on the jukebox either.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I just realised what this reminds me of: a school report. "Maya is a bright, energetic girl with lots of ideas but she often fails to execute them to the best of her ability. I wonder if she has been distracted by her blossoming relationship with one of her classmates, Benjamin Brewer, and her friendship with a disruptive new arrival, Rusko. While it is good to see her so willing to speak up in class - she certainly is an opinionated young lady! - perhaps she should think a little harder before opening her mouth in future. Then, of course, there is the regrettable incident of Ms Hirschberg's cellphone number, which you will already have discussed with the principal. In conclusion, we hope that this has been a temporary setback and that next semester Maya will get back to the kind of appealing grooves and memorable hooks that we know she is capable of."
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
As much as I disagree with Perpetua, I feel like his writing is usually at least a little better than this.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't feel really strongly about Perp either way, but it's interesting how he's the only former ilx regular of minor renown who really seems to get trashed the way he does besides like Momus
― plax r (some dude), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
lol dorian
― call all destroyer, Monday, 12 July 2010 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
ahaha that basically should be the definitive review of this album dorian
more reviews written in the style of school reports please
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't really know anything about perp but i've recently started noticing how fucking dull and lame his reviews are
― call all destroyer, Monday, 12 July 2010 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
His bubble world consists of bands he thinks are ZOMGFANTASTIC and everything else ranges from bad to terrible, and when someone dare shit on one of his favorites he reacts like a big baby. At least, this is the way it was for many years. But even more, he's prone to be super-duper-hypercritical if an artist is doing something the wrong way, as his idea of what/how they should be doing what they do is always far -superior-.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 12 July 2010 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
"i don't feel really strongly about Perp either way, but it's interesting how he's the only former ilx regular of minor renown who really seems to get trashed the way he does besides like Momus"
Didn't Ott used to post here?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
haha I was gonna say
― MOATY I'M HERE (HI DERE), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
pretty sure NSylv posted for a little bit too
― MOATY I'M HERE (HI DERE), Monday, 12 July 2010 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link
man the ott pfork review of this album would have been g.o.a.t.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Monday, 12 July 2010 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link
jf who are some of his zomg bands?
― call all destroyer, Monday, 12 July 2010 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
lol ott. he at least earned his hated on mostly status by trolling ilx threads, and sylvester had a genuine media scandal hanging over his head. perp is like, target on his head for being guilty of the same shit as a ton of people here.
― plax r (some dude), Monday, 12 July 2010 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
― Johnny Fever, Monday, July 12, 2010 3:57 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
like seriously, this describes half the critics out there.
dorian killed it
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Monday, 12 July 2010 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Prob true, but I've known Perpetua for 12 years and I've seen him not mature ONE BIT in this regard.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 12 July 2010 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Fluxblog is an MP3 blog created and updated by Matthew Perpetua. The blog began in 2002, and began to host MP3 posts at the end of that year. Fluxblog has featured in many publications and programs in the mainstream media including The New York Times, Rolling Stone, Spin, The Guardian, NPR, Entertainment Weekly, The Los Angeles Times, The Chicago Tribune, and Newsweek. Rapper Obie Trice gave a "shout out" to Fluxblog in his album track "Nobody Got The Z-Man's Back", with the lines "Fluxblog man/ Fuck Pogman"; the story made the cover of the New York Times.
great days
― I’ll put you in a f *ckin Weingarten you c*nt! (history mayne), Monday, 12 July 2010 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
What I don't get is how can someone appreciate Sleigh Bells, then turn around and say Maya is "too noisy".
― Soft Sad Tecmo Bowl (Spinspin Sugah), Monday, July 12, 2010 11:07 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
the perception of noisiness doesn't necessarily correlate to loudness, shrillness or sound density - or to anything, really. it's subjective, having as much to with our taste in sound as anything else. to my ears, treats does sound noisy, but not in an unpleasant way. sleigh bells make the noise aspects work with their music and even as music. the /\/\/\Y/\ tracks i've heard fail to do this. as a result, they sound unpleasantly or pointlessly noisy.
and i don't see anything so incredibly awful about the perpetua review. it's pretty ordinary, really. the facts are in order, the language is clear, the arguments reasonably well supported. not great, but hardly worth the effort it might take to clown it.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Monday, 12 July 2010 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link
both albums sound like shit
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Monday, 12 July 2010 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i like maya a lot better tho
Am I wrong to be bothered by the description on Fluxblog?
"Fluxblog is the very first MP3 Blog. It was founded by me, Matthew Perpetua, in 2002."
It seems a pretty dubious claim to make that it was the "very first", I seem to remember lots of blogs hosting mp3s all popping up around the same time.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 12 July 2010 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link
it wasn't the first obviously
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Monday, 12 July 2010 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link
should i link to the dom post about him or
amazing review dorian
― max, Monday, 12 July 2010 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
It's always been a groundless claim. A better wording would be "Fluxblog was the very first 'MP3 Blog' to promote itself as such."
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 12 July 2010 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
dom is pretty much as awful as m-perp (and in many of the same ways too)
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 12 July 2010 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
so that's a "no, please don't"
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 12 July 2010 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
being fat?
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Monday, 12 July 2010 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
i was thinking more along the "super-unpleasant human beings" lines but i guess that too
btw as to the question about who cared about the MIA lynn hirschberg thing--those stories did pretty well for us at big gawks, which is admittedly not a huge audience but certainly bigger than the ilx/music crit circles. MIA is like entry-level hipster music now i think so a lot of w'burg/portland types give a shit about her
― max, Monday, 12 July 2010 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
iirc matt and dom have the same taste in girls
and food too i guess
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fluxblog&oldid=152966923
― am0n, Monday, 12 July 2010 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
is it possible to write a non custosian joke about flagpole sitta
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 12 July 2010 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
dom's wiki vandalization is beyond words to me
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Monday, 12 July 2010 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Being an advocate of Greek cookery, Perpetua opened the Taverna Di Flux in Croydon, London in 2007. The most popular dish on the menu is "Flagpole Pitta", a pitta bread filled with stuffed vine leaves, homous, and perinaise.
this is seriously the funniest thing ever
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Monday, July 12, 2010 9:20 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
― I’ll put you in a f *ckin Weingarten you c*nt! (history mayne), Monday, 12 July 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Is "Perpetua" his real last name?
― kkvgz, Monday, 12 July 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
The unsurprising Pitchfork and Perpetua "not thrilled" by review caveat available below (sorry if already posted). I think that's the central problem with this review. The best kickings are always administered gleefully.
I wrote a negative review of M.I.A.’s new album /\/\/\Y/\ for Pitchfork. I hope that people realize that it didn’t give me — or pretty much no one else at the publication — a thrill to do so, since we all wanted this record to be great like her earlier work. I can’t remember the last time I’ve been as disappointed in a new record by an artist I really like. I’m worried now that she’ll become the new Tricky, and end up disappearing into a rabbit hole of paranoia and solipsism after making two landmark albums that pushed at the boundaries of both pop and hip hop. I believe that she can do better, and hope that she will in the future.
http://perpetua.tumblr.com/post/802010303/me-and-m-i-a
― Position Position, Monday, 12 July 2010 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
lol he still sounds like dorians hypothetical teacher
― max, Monday, 12 July 2010 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't have a problem with Perpetua - dude does tend to foreground his prejudices and assumptions in his reviews (see the recent Scissor Sisters review, for ex.) which obviously can push people's buttons, but it isn't unusual in the critical world. Xgau's the same way, for example.
― gordon lishification (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 12 July 2010 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
plus he's always loved my band and been good to us so I can't complain haha
― gordon lishification (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 12 July 2010 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
(truffle fries joke goes here)
― am0n, Monday, 12 July 2010 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
you're friered
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 12 July 2010 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link
and food too i guess― max, Monday, July 12, 2010 8:15 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― max, Monday, July 12, 2010 8:15 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― the food has a top snake of 1 (ulillillia), Monday, 12 July 2010 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
lol at the Wiki entry, sorry.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 July 2010 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link
― some dude, Monday, July 12, 2010 2:37 PM (6 hours ago) Bookm
??? im not sure what was weird abt that phrase! it basically just means 'anecdotal ppl in their 20s i know'??
― blap...tremendo (deej), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 02:49 (thirteen years ago) link
perp's review seemed a bit weird but so does dorian's "come on this is so much MEATIER than like a christina aguilera record!!!" & nicely inconsistent of lex to not observe that 1
― blap...tremendo (deej), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 02:50 (thirteen years ago) link
A handful of the college kids at the paper -- excluding the radio station guys, of course -- know her because of "Paper Planes"; she's certainly not argued about like Gaga is.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 02:54 (thirteen years ago) link
m perpetua's constant bagging on rap for being soooo traditionalist is really eye rolly to me but i dont dislike his taste any more than 90% of ilm so
― blap...tremendo (deej), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 02:55 (thirteen years ago) link
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, July 12, 2010 9:54 PM (33 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
thats .... what somedude was saying? actually a lot of folks know MIA regardless of paper planes if u know anyone in college basically
― blap...tremendo (deej), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess we're arguing about what constitutes "popularity," which becomes complicated when Gaga enters the conversation. What I meant by my experience: Gaga's clothes, casual remarks, and longform TV interviews are discussed as much if not more than her songs. M.I.A. meanwhile is like Jason Derulo ("Oh, she did that song a couple of years ago from the Seth Rogen movie").
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 02:58 (thirteen years ago) link
No one in the group I see cares about terrorism, Diplo, Tamil Tigers, truffles, etc.
It's like Madonna vs. Nu Shooz in 1986.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 02:59 (thirteen years ago) link
thats true w/ a general audience -- thats exactly what somedude was saying, shes certainly not gaga level -- but MIA def has a much bigger cult audience than effin nu shooz
― blap...tremendo (deej), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link
OK -- fair enough
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link
you will see perpetua change
― buzza, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
deej, you've slightly misrepresented my point - I'm not saying that MIA is automatically "meatier" than Christina. Bionic is a very diffuse album in which Christina bends her style and even her voice to fit her producers: there's the MIA track, the Le Tigre track, the Ladytron track, and none have much to do with one another, so Perpetua's format of just listing producers would be more apt there (if still lazy). Whereas MIA is very much at the centre of Maya, so to just talk about Rusko tracks is to ignore all the industrial harshness that they have and other Rusko tracks don't, and to skip over the fact that the sound (combative, claustrophobic, besieged) mirrors the lyrics. Whatever the failings of this album, I think they come straight from MIA - she's not just dialing up hot producers and asking them to make tracks for her. So when I mention Bionic I don't mean ALL mainstream pop albums - records like Blackout or Future Sex/Love Sounds have a unity of sound and purpose which makes them more interesting to write about.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 09:13 (thirteen years ago) link
for me the prob with bionic was that it didn't seem like xtina really cared about making another album - the only reason for it to exist is because it's been four years since back to basics and i guess she's not in a position to do a timberlake and just take the foreseeable future off. so it's a very thought-through, box-ticking album, like an idea of what a credible pop album should be, that unfortunately has no real inspiration.
nonetheless i'm pretty sure that xtina's "monday morning" is better than anything on maya.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 09:27 (thirteen years ago) link
oh i'm listening to maya now. it's a bit boring, isn't it? even she sounds bored. and like she's making up lyrics on the spot.
there's a remix of "teqkilla" with nicki minaj. i'm a bit confused as to why minaj chose that song, of all songs, to jump on :/
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 10:06 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ how this album makes "born free" sound genuinely exciting because SOMETHING ACTUALLY HAPPENS
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 10:11 (thirteen years ago) link
actually i think bionic is a decent comparison points and its flaws similar to maya's - neither m.i.a. nor xtina sound particularly into the music or all that inspired; both albums are somehow overthought and underdone, sort of like the main driving thought behind each was "if i was inspired, this is the kind of album i'd make" - they're trying to force creativity in both cases but coming up against a brick wall. i feel like i'm listening to actual writer's block. maya is a passable imitation of claustrophobia and alienation but it's not very effective, it feels like maya's imitating that cuz changing her direction often fools people into thinking you're making a big artistic statement.
Whatever the failings of this album, I think they come straight from MIA - she's not just dialing up hot producers and asking them to make tracks for her.
yeah, i think the failings of bionic come straight from xtina too tho.
ok this album is ending, hurrah, i don't have to think about it any more or listen to it again. feel like i've done my duty there.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 10:22 (thirteen years ago) link
hey, mia (trapez, loads others i expect) is djing at my local discotheque on saturday. anyone know what to expect from her?― nebbesh (nebbesh), Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:00 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
no, but you you should go and report back to this thread! m.i.a tracks = niceness.― tricky disco (disco stu), Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:57 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
you mean mia from germany?― k (blue), Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:25 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah, mia from germany, did she do that 'tied to the 80s' track, i used to dance in my bedroom to that. i wasn't sure how deep/minimal/thoughtful she'd play it, i want to bring friends with and don't want them all to stare at me balefully.she must be doing some dates in london too i expect.
― nebbesh (nebbesh), Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:38 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link
lol Lex, I have been tirelessly bumping the REAL M.I.A. thread and you're posting over here!
― Fee Fie Fo, FUNFNFUINFLFF! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Dan = King Canute
― Jeff W, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link
forks going "shrug" when i called him out on bumping the wrong thread seriously made me more angry than any other ilx post in a good two years
dan as a mod i think you should effect some sort of c/p or locking thing on these threads!
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm looking forward to hearing this on account of I like the two songs I've heard a lot and the tone of most of the slagging off makes it sound like it just might be right up my alley.
― Mister AOR (The Reverend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link
it's streamable via her Myspace page
the middle sags but I love the beginning and the end
― Fee Fie Fo, FUNFNFUINFLFF! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link
BS. Dude missed being the 'first' by at 5 years. Plus, there were regularly updated RealAudio-hosting sites before Winamp/MP3s came out in '97.
― Beach Pomade (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Clearly Maya doesn't even merit its own thread, oh how the mighty have fallen.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:59 (thirteen years ago) link
dan, i think you should copy and paste all posts, from across ilx, about the "wrong" m.i.a. into the thread about the "right" m.i.a.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 15:03 (thirteen years ago) link
done and done
― Fee Fie Fo, FUNFNFUINFLFF! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I tried to start a Maya thread but the system wouldn't let me. And the mods said I was too early. And now I'm too late. Ain't that always the way?
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
wait, who said you were too early?
― Fee Fie Fo, FUNFNFUINFLFF! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I tried to start a Maya thread but the system wouldn't let me.
waaaaht
― I’ll put you in a f *ckin Weingarten you c*nt! (history mayne), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't remember - it's somewhere on this thread I think. I was getting tired of all the NYT talk and wanted somewhere to discuss the music but someone said there was no point starting an album thread until it was out/leaked, and I could sort of see their point. Then I forgot all about it. I sort of assumed someone else would start one anyway.
On reflection, it was probably the CIA.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Google? The government?
― AlanSmithee, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
xp my friend wz telling me about how the CIA had developed Facebook and using it to create lengthy psych profiles on people...he's not really someone who would not be reading MIA write-ups in the NYT Magazine...I mean he's kind of a conspiracy theorist...I mean what's up? All wingnuts think alike? Or is there something to it but it keeps getting mangled??
― is this the end of zombie Shakespeare? (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Conspiracy theories circulate - it's not as if MIA made this one up on her lonesome.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 16:13 (thirteen years ago) link
kinda half liked "born free" (mostly due to liking "ghost rider"), hated "xxxo" or whatever the next track was called. interest in hearing the whole album is currently pretty low. i mean, there's gotta be someone here who loves it and can explain why, right?
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link
― gordon lishification (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Most of it sounds like she found a copy of Skinny Puppy's VIVISECT VI and started chanting over it, which I find to be awesome.
― Fee Fie Fo, FUNFNFUINFLFF! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link
^really? that DOES sound awesome!
― please sb me (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I'll repeat: It's streaming on her Myspace page
― Fee Fie Fo, FUNFNFUINFLFF! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah my internet access is pretty limited right now for various reasons...
― please sb me (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
― blap...tremendo (deej), Monday, July 12, 2010 10:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
hey i go through the same thing of trying to relate anecdotal IRL experiences to the blogosphere shut-ins on ILM all the time and i sympathize with your own efforts, but the turn of phrase "in my world of young ppl" is just hilarious to me sorry
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
'in my world of aging drug addicts'
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link
'in my world of staggered deadbeats'
(this is fun)
― deep purple yoda (Ioannis), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link
okay, sold
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link
be warned though that if you hated "Teqkilla", you will hate most of the album (or conversely maybe the album will make "Teqkilla" make more sense, I dunno)
― Fee Fie Fo, FUNFNFUINFLFF! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 19:05 (thirteen years ago) link
noz had a bunch of angry tweets about this album like "i heard this album sounded like skinny puppy, THEY LIED TO ME"
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 19:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Listening to it now via MySpace. It's loud, ugly and stupid. I like the air-gun sample; reminds me of "Stainless Steel Providers" by Revolting Cocks. I think this will almost certainly wind up being my favorite of her albums, but that's saying so, so little.
― Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link
What songs do ppl consider loud? I only hear 4 excessively loud tracks on an album of 16 songs.
― Soft Sad Tecmo Bowl (Spinspin Sugah), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Totally fun.
― The Bartered Bride (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
She's doing "Born Free" on Letterman right now, in the middle of a bunch of look-alikes and I think Martin Rev is on the keyboards.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 04:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Enjoying Christgau's review a lot. Good to see someone overtly irritated by the priggishness and disingenuousness of so many of MIA's critics. The more I read why certain people don't like her, the more I like her.
http://bnreview.barnesandnoble.com/t5/Rock-Roll/Illygirl-Steppin-Up/ba-p/2907
Going back to the record yet again, I find that if I start with Story to Be Told then it's a great 25 minutes. Everything that really bothers me, both sonically and lyrically, is at the front of the album. Even just removing Teqkilla makes it significantly better. I don't understand why it's being painted - by people here as well as by Perpetua - as a complete disaster.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 09:07 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MROxPK18v5I
― piscesx, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 09:28 (thirteen years ago) link
As one of the commenters points out, there's an audible audience cry of "What the fuck was that?" at 4:16. Which is exactly the kind of reaction I'd imagine she was after.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 09:45 (thirteen years ago) link
listening for the 1st time, and speaking for people w shitty taste in music, it doesn't seem anywhere near as bad as has been made out. intro track ("the message") clearly sets /\/\/\Y/\ up as some kind of all-caps statement, and i'm okay with that. "steppin up" literalizes the idea with a wall of industrial noise that quickly subsides into a spare & self-aggrandizing banger of the sort she's been kicking out since day one, only festooned here with a more deliberately noisy brand of noise. works for me. the drills and processed guitars make as much musical sense as the gunshots and snare hits of yore, and i love the massive jungle bass that drops in occasionally to soften the architecture.
turns out that "xxxo" has grown on me in the last few weeks, and that it works WAY better in album context than it ever did as a single (as someone remarked a while back). in the flow of the album, there's the implication that the "you" who wants maya to be someone she ain't = the pop costume "xxxo" wears, relative to the preceding bombardations. represents perhaps the idea that she's a pop star in general, a commercial object to be made and sold to sheeps by google government demon corporations, or, i dunno, lemurian overloards or something. and then there's "teqkilla". i can totally see why this would be the last straw for a lot of otherwise indulgent ilxors. it's insanely, pitilessly aggravating. but again, i at least half like it. i at least respect the gesture... the jittery junkshop swing is appealing, and i like the palette of leaky robot noises. with the exception, maybe, of that weaponized "WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" thing that knifes out through the chorus. and shit, it's at least two minutes too long, after which lovealot's brief and subdued political ramblings feel like a wound-out afterthought.
but maybe it's best to view all five of these opening tracks as an intro of sorts, or an EP that happens to precede the album proper (which is more-or-less what dorianlynskey just said - i steal all my good ideas). after an initial fusillade of brickbats, /\/\/\Y/\ settles into a brief string of catchy, hazy tracks that go down much easier than what came before. "story to be told" jams along in fine, smoked-out xtrmntr style, "it takes a muscle" is lovely cod reggae pop, and "it iz what it iz" reminds me, obliquely, of PJ harvey's stories from the city stories from the sea, and/or the more subdued yeah yeah yeahs tracks from their last couple albums. maybe maya's not operating at "paper planes" level here, but once it's blown the iron filings out of its nose, this turns out to be a surprisingly appealing album.
and back to "born free". starting to seriously respect the pacing and structure of this album. this track was just kinda WTF cool as a single, but here it makes perfect sense, clearing the air and focusing the raw noise of the album's forward end into a sleek, pulverizing beast that doesn't sound gratuitously noisy in the slightest. following which "meds & feds" revels gloriously in the purely gratuitous, reanimates the zombie pixies, gives a damn (alegedly), makes of the central riff something wonderful that sounds nothing like sleigh bells.
i'll quit, but dammit, this is a fascinating and well-constructed landscape of a album (a trip, as the hill people used to say). i haven't spent any real time with it, so as excitingly complex as it seems in the moment, it may ultimately reveal less than it seems to promise. i dunno. and as pop/dance music it's clearly offering kala and arular a shred of competing, but taken on its own merits as a stand-alone offering, it's both interesting and immediately appealing. you know, on the first/second pass...
P.S. the three "bonus tracks" are much, much better than the tracks that close the official album. surprised that "tell me why", "space" and "internet connection" didn't get cut, saved for b-sides, whatever.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 10:35 (thirteen years ago) link
umm
...as pop/dance music it's clearly not offering kala and arular a shred of competition...
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 10:39 (thirteen years ago) link
okay, retract the passing diss of "space". "space" is great. but damn, those last 3 "bonus tracks" smoke - esp, as cgau notes, illygirl. would love to hear the album arranged around this track.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 10:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Xgau, once again a sucker for facile and inchoate politics. Why he does't dismiss M.I.A.'s "art rock" move is a mystery, as there have been plenty of artists less full of shit than her who don't get a pass. Surprisingly patronizing piece by him, too, seeing as it considers her critics "idiots" who bristle at an artist that "dares suggest listeners introduce their overtaxed brain cells to world issues." I mean, fuck you?
Speaking of fuck you, that Letterman performance is great, though.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 12:44 (thirteen years ago) link
hahaha that Letterman performance! awesome
― Fee Fie Fo, FUNFNFUINFLFF! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 13:39 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah man, that performance was amazing. Martin Rev in the house! Who was playing drums?
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 13:52 (thirteen years ago) link
pretty good performance of a still essentially boring song, though i don't get what was so wtf about it unless letterman's never had any rock group use distortion on his show before (and smh @ the indie feedback at the end, why are people still doing this). not as fun as nicki'n'thicki's letterman performance.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 13:58 (thirteen years ago) link
i liked the lookalikes tho!
oh and i didn't read the xgau review past him calling her detractors idiots, josh's summation of it indicates this was a good idea. how ignorant does one have to be if you're being introduced to "world issues" (which is a nonsensical phrase anyway) by maya arulpragasam. what world issues does she introduce people to. GOD.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 14:00 (thirteen years ago) link
sounds like martin rev should have produced her shit instead of rusko or whoever. that was pretty tyt
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 14:01 (thirteen years ago) link
um Lex, you are acting like the majority of the world isn't vacuous and self-involved
― Fee Fie Fo, FUNFNFUINFLFF! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 14:02 (thirteen years ago) link
"Happy Halloween!"
― da croupier, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 14:05 (thirteen years ago) link
surfboard otm
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 14:05 (thirteen years ago) link
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, July 14, 2010 8:52 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
looks like it could have been Butchy Fuego of Chicago band Pit Er Pat, I know he's played drums for her recently.
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 14:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Love the performance, love the socks.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 14:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Also: I'm pretty sure it's not the first time Xgau's written something like "Stick with it – these ugly sounds cohere into something meaningful eventually," which is a window through which impatient, "overtaxed" listeners can escape if they don't want to bother waiting for sounds to cohere.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 14:16 (thirteen years ago) link
gotta say, I think these guys did it better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wQXdS_D6PA
― da croupier, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 14:20 (thirteen years ago) link
less Xgau plz, more Martin Rev's Betty White-style rejuvenated career!
― please sb me (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link
what world issues does she introduce people to. GOD.
Well Sri Lankan politics for one. As Xgau points out at the end of the piece that you couldn't be bothered to finish.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 14:24 (thirteen years ago) link
she introduces people to sri lankan politics in the same way that [something really retarded] introduces [something complicated] to [people who get their news via buzz mp3s]
― I’ll put you in a f *ckin Weingarten you c*nt! (history mayne), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 14:30 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess m.i.a. would serve as an introduction to sri lankan politics for people who, idk, had never heard of sri lanka before? it's not as if there's anything substantive about it in her music - or even specific, given how readily she conflates it with palestine/africa/ginger kids with her primary school level "freedom fightah!!!111" slogans.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link
MIA introduces Sri Lankan politics about as extensively as I do when I say "Sri Lankan politics." Remember when calling rap "the CNN of black America" or whatever was considered a complement? Well, MIA is like CNN c. 2010, which I'm sure covers Sri Lankan politics in as much depth as she does.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY2kJ96jNY
I now know all there is to know about Nat Turner.
― Andy K, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Some deliberate obtuseness going on here. She's a pop musician - she can raise an issue or introduce a topic but no, she's probably not going to be the last word on it. The fact that she is sometimes daft or reductive seems to have mutated into the idea that she has never sound anything of any value or worth about anything, which is bullshit. When Arular came out, she spoke plenty about the suffering of normal Tamils caught in the crossfire, which, unlike the southeast Asian politics brains trust gathered on this thread, was not something I was following closely at the time.
I feel like all the allowances that have been made for politically minded musicians in the past have been revoked in MIA's case. Y'know, Public Enemy didn't tell the full story about Louis Farrakhan, the Minutemen hyperbolically described Reagan's Central American policy as "genocide", etc, etc, but they still gave listeners an incentive to go and find out about this stuff. Yet MIA is somehow expected to present a fucking symposium on Sri Lankan politics. It's absurd.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 14:59 (thirteen years ago) link
"never sound anything" "never said anything"
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 15:00 (thirteen years ago) link
southeast Asian south Asian
Too much annoyed typing.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link
letterman performance was amazing. made the song 100 times better than it is on cd. not heard the album yet but i imagine its not nearly as bad as people prone to hivemind-infected hyperbole like lex are making out. p4k review was obv just a gleeful attempt at an old fashioned crit-assasination, no matter what the writer claims about being reluctantly forced to admit to there being a terrible record infecting his eardrums.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 15:08 (thirteen years ago) link
How do you know it's not as nearly bad as "people" think when you haven't heard it yet?
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 15:11 (thirteen years ago) link
The common thread here is that people find her persona annoying, ergo everything she does is wrong.
It's kind if funny to me that the most infamously all-or-nothing people on this board are blasting M.I.A. for being too simplistic.
― Fee Fie Fo, FUNFNFUINFLFF! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 15:11 (thirteen years ago) link
*shhhh*hey, don't tell anyone...[checks to see if g00gle are listening]...but i've heard that unlike those other rabble-rousers...[whew, close one!]... Maya doesn't have a penis [shock! horror!]. egads!*shhhh*
― deep purple yoda (Ioannis), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 15:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I think at some point it became incredibly unfashionable to give political musicians a free pass because they were political and vaguely on the left side of the spectrum. I'm thinking this was around the time Primal Scream started playing Bomb The Pentagon.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
They shouldn't get a free pass, obviously, but it seems that now they get no leeway whatsoever. It drives me nuts. Ice Cube got less shit for Black Korea than MIA's received for a handful of sophomoric simplifications.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 15:19 (thirteen years ago) link
penis.
― deep purple yoda (Ioannis), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link
kind of cringe when PE big up farrakhan but let it pass because they're amazing. MIA has made some ok tracks but nothing in the same league as 'bring the noise'. the xgau thing about how he didn't know the first thing about sri lanka before MIA says more about the bubble he lives in.
― I’ll put you in a f *ckin Weingarten you c*nt! (history mayne), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link
the united states?
― iatee, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Uh, what's wrong with admitting you don't know something, then taking the time to find out?
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
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― deep purple yoda (Ioannis), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know dick about Suriname or Chad. Guess it says something about the bubble I live in.
hmm, perhaps if you're going to get into what you don't know about sri lanka, it's best not to start the paragraph:
The notion that M.I.A. isn't politically meaningful because her motives are mixed and her ideas are screwed up is clueless about how pop music works -namely, all kinds of screwy ways.
oh noooo, clueless about how pop music works, what a personal disaster.
― I’ll put you in a f *ckin Weingarten you c*nt! (history mayne), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
"How do you know it's not as nearly bad as "people" think when you haven't heard it yet?"
i said i IMAGINE, columbo.
"Uh, what's wrong with admitting you don't know something, then taking the time to find out?"
nothing. but it can make for boring, all too rational art.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link
I admit seeing MIA live in Brussels shortly after the London 2005 bombing took the bloom off the rose, though it was more contextual than anything else. It wasn't that she was going off on the event with bizarre conspiracy theories or the like but I found a lot of her presentation a little hard to take -- especially given that someone many of us knew was one of the victims -- and I haven't been able to enjoy her much since. But this is personal and I recognize that, and I can appreciate much of what's happened with her over the past few years, if at a remove.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link
The argument's inconsistent, history mayne - you can't argue that MIA hasn't introduced people to Sri Lankan politics (maybe more lex's argument than yours) and then say, oh well, anyone who doesn't know about the subject already lives in a bubble so fuck them.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I think if this album came out in the winter it would've made alot more sense to people.
― Beach Pomade (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe, but i also think that it suffers for its attachment to maya's pet issues. by this point, people are waaaaay too attached to their own ideas about her ideas, and this not only makes the record into a sort of rorschach blot, it assigns the music itself a subordinate role. that xgau piece, for instance, devotes relatively little attention to /\/\/\Y/\'s specific sounds, structures, effects and influences. it's primarily addressed to what other people supposedly think about maya, and how she's supposedly positioning herself.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah--I'm not sure anyone outside of the critical community really cares about her politics. They just want some good beats. Most of my friends think the album is as good or better than her previous stuff.
― skip, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 16:31 (thirteen years ago) link
if she'd gone lighter on the rhetorical grandstanding, the album's musical provocations might have been granted some leeway. the whole thing is so aggressively and intentionally challopsy, both intellectually and artistically, that a backlash reaction seems inevitable.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Great rhetorical stance there ^ xpost
― the food has a top snake of 1 (ulillillia), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Most of my friends think the album is as good or better than her previous stuff.
not yet sure what i think on that level. i like it, but i don't love it. probably put it somewhere between kala and arular.
it's a good record to mess with, sequencing-wise. can be made to work a bunch of different ways.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
now that my expectations have been dashed i went back and listened again, and i kind of felt bad for the album, in the sense of "aw, it's not the worst thing in the world." there are things to enjoy but i'd still put it way behind arular and kala (or at least the half of kala that's amazing).
― emotional radiohead whatever (Jordan), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
think that's the sense in which i've been approaching it, not so much due to collective hate, but cuz i've always been particularly fond of ambitious albums that don't quite work. they're puzzles of a sort, and they offer more room for play than those that seem perfect as is.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
It's my favorite of her albums to date, but that's setting the bar really, really low. I have deliberately ignored the lyrics (and will continue to do so), because I think she's an idiot, and paying attention to what she said would probably have spoiled my enjoyment of the parts I wound up liking.
― Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
feels like an album out of time. not sure that it's a winter record, as a. bruneau suggested, but it would have played better during the adrian sherwood era (in my mind, between the pop group at one end and late primal scream at the other).
did someone mention big stick a while back?
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
current tracklist, 43 min, pretty solid imo:
steppin upxxxobelieverillygirlborn freeit takes a muscleit iz what it izstory to be toldtekquillameds & fedsspaceall caps
(RATM retro...)
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
listening for the first time now. not nearly as bad as some are making out. 4.4 out of 10? what the fuck? that reviewers acting like shes gone from pull up the people to the cheeky girls. it does have a much more serious/belligerent tone to it, her vocals especially, and its a hell of a lot harder, more metallic and all round industrial-aggressive than before, but theres still a lot of interesting ideas here, i dont mind too much that shes not being quite as playful as before (though songs like xxoo make up for that). obv that makes it harder to swallow some of her less accurate lyrics, but ive never really taken her that seriously on that front before anyway - shes always been like a slightly more politicised missy elliot as a lyricist. not sure if shes just angrier at the moment or if shes trying to do her 'serious' album.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link
People are really overstating the "stupidity" of MIA's lyrics - I hear worse every day. Sure, Lovalot is an incoherent mess (it makes more sense when you learn it's from the POV of a teenage suicide bomber but still) but there's an interesting thread of self-examination here: "I'm gonna say something even if you think it's nothing" (It Iz What It Iz), "I don't wanna live for tomorrow/I'll push my luck today" (Born Free), "All I ever wanted was my story to be told" (Story to Be Told), "I could be a genius, I could be a cheat/It's a fine line and I'm fucking with it" (Believer), "I just give a damn" (Meds and Feds). She's not claiming any great authority on geopolitics but fessing up to a certain gobby recklessness. And there are some nice, quotable couplets: "Yeah I hate it when people ask me hello girl whats up?/ I say age tax cost of living yeah boy aint that enough?" (Tell Me Why) and "I need to spend some time with you/There's nothing new on the news" (Space). You might not want to put any of these lyrics on a T-shirt but they're not as moronic as people seem to be saying.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
ha I want to talk about inconsistency in lyrical analysis between M.I.A. and other artists but there's no way to do it without looking like I am specifically picking on Lex
― Fee Fie Fo, FUNFNFUINFLFF! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Her failing to me is one of expectations. It's not that her lyrics are poor or incoherent, it just seems like she can do ... better. Back when PE name-dropped Louis F. or Minutemen talked about U.S. meddling in Central American, those subjects took more than a mere 5 second google search to explore. Hence: introduction. But given how easy it is to research Sri Lanken politics (for example), I wish MIA would use her position of purported knowledge and experience to give forceful direction to said google searches rather than be so vague and/or blithe.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 17:38 (thirteen years ago) link
or, in other words, she is the ambassador to all things Sri Lankan and ergo must be a reliable narrator for all of the curious white people
― Fee Fie Fo, FUNFNFUINFLFF! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 17:40 (thirteen years ago) link
plus theyre usually buried reasonably deep in her lyrics alongside lines which are actually just fine. as is often usual in yknow, rap music. not saying she shouldnt be called out for it, but you win some, you lose some. i think the tone of her voice is what people are zooming in on the most. almost like a how dare she try and take herself seriously (not that i necessarly like that kind of austerity, but she just sounds more weary to me than haughty/self important on here). kind of a 'stay in your little place ok? we prefer you there' move.
im putting the general bad press this is getting down to the unfortunate nature of internet collectivism. and people who dont seem to really pay attention to lyrics suddenly jumping on the bandwagon.
"But given how easy it is to research Sri Lanken politics (for example), I wish MIA would use her position of purported knowledge and experience to give forceful direction to said google searches rather than be so vague and/or blithe."
what do you want? hyperlinks? google it yourself. shes not the be and end all of south asian politics. shes just there to make you aware of whats going on. shes never said shes the bible on whats going on.
PE should be a lesson in how artists - esp rappers - being more random (up to a point) in their lyrical associations is often better than them getting all dogmatic and ultra 'focused'.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry, first parag was in response to dorians last post.
x-post Huh? No. But she could be, if she wanted to.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost to Josh. That's a criticism I can live with. What I'm saying by quoting those lyrics in my previous point is that I like the fact she's so aware that she can't articulate these points as well as she'd like to - that becomes part of her narrative. Lovalot has the same intent as Steve Earle's John Walker's Blues but because she does it in this condensed, confusingly inflammatory way none of this comes across.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 17:42 (thirteen years ago) link
She doesn't have to be the bible, but it's such a big part of who she is as an artist that I wish she'd either step up or step back.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost to Titchy. There's no consistency to the attacks on her at all - she's not being accorded the same leeway as another political songwriter OR another rapper. People are applying absurdly high standards that they don't apply to anyone else. If you want really idiotic political lyrics go to XTRMNTR (which I still love anyway).
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, she is/has been a little more strident than most. And she does seem to like the attention. And she does seem to *react* to the attention. So it's not just dumb or incoherent lyrics, it's those combined with a degree of "look at me." Lady Gaga is full of shit, too, but she's not talking suicide bombers and insurrection. Yet.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess I'd like the detractors to quote some examples of her allegedly terribly lyrics. Going back to Kala, I think stuff like Paper Planes, Bamboo Banga, $20 and Bird Flu is fantastically rich, funny and insightful on the subject of developing world aspiration. She writes about that far more than she writes about the Tamil Tigers.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link
"She doesn't have to be the bible, but it's such a big part of who she is as an artist that I wish she'd either step up or step back."
shes a musician. not a campaigner. nor an activist. she highlights the issues for other people to take notice. which is more than most artists do these days. if you want to learn more about it, listen to bbc world service, google some articles on it. all the criticsm about her not being equipped with enough knowledge is basically a bunch of elitist, snarky people on the net who know fuck all about it anyway who seem to be saying 'oh just stop talking about it, you dont know enough about it, as i - someone who knows even less - am obviously in a good position to judge and quantify'. all very smug and self satisfied.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost. Of course she's "look at me". She's a fucking pop star!
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
re d.levskey: agreed. the lyrics only become "moronic" when you decide you need to argue them down. otherwise they're no worse than most pop.
otoh, the fact that she likes to at least flirt with big statements and serious issues does tend to invite those argumentative responses, you know? of course she doesn't owe her audience a meaningful education in the realities of the sri lankan political situation, but she's the one making an issue of it. maya seems to revel in the attention that her "radical" political provocations earn her, so it's not like she doesn't earn the criticism she gets.
i'm not personally engaged with her political persona, so the whole debate seems a little silly to me. i'm mainly interested in the music and the vocal delivery, and in the lyrics only as a distinctive pop style.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost - yeah, she can actually be a great writer at times.
tell me why on the album is sublime btw.
i kinda like it in 128 bit rate lol.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
its flawed, but still one of the albums of the year, btw.
and quite easily.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
People are applying absurdly high standards that they don't apply to anyone else. If you want really idiotic political lyrics go to XTRMNTR (which I still love anyway).
I think stuff like Paper Planes, Bamboo Banga, $20 and Bird Flu is fantastically rich, funny and insightful on the subject of developing world aspiration. She writes about that far more than she writes about the Tamil Tigers.
Of course she's "look at me". She's a fucking pop star!
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:50 AM (51 seconds ago) Bookmark
O.T.F.M. especially wr2 "the subject of developing world aspirations".
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
i.e. paper planes, which is brilliant
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Hmm, I actually think she's the elitist but not acting like it. Like, I don't expect most pop stars to be able to back up their politics, but I do expect that from her, since she's smart and savvy. I suppose that's not fair on my part. With all these "she's a pop star!' defenses, I guess I just need to lower my expectations. Which is sad.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link
what pop/rock/rap stars do you know/like who really back up their politics flawlessly? Im not sure I even know politicians who back up their politics flawlessly.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link
The only egs I can think of are Billy Bragg and Michael Franti, both of whom routinely dismissed as "worthy". Good luck to anyone trying to find that middleground between worthy-but-dull and fun-but-irresponsible in the current debate.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Dorian OTM throughout here...
― Major Lolzer (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
That last statement is totally OTM, Dorian. Perhaps this album is a stepping stone toward being as radical or revolutionary as she wants to be. Or maybe the next one will be her Stuart Price collaboration.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 18:23 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost - right.
franti = great in interviews, less great to listen to.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 18:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Like, I don't expect most pop stars to be able to back up their politics, but I do expect that from her, since she's smart and savvy. I suppose that's not fair on my part. With all these "she's a pop star!' defenses, I guess I just need to lower my expectations. Which is sad.
there's a weird break in the thinking here (no offense). it's like, "i want her to be extremely smart and savvy, so i feel disappointed when she turns out to be less smart and savvy than i'd imagined." the real-world maya is always gonna come up short relative to an idealized image. but maybe it's unfair to blame her audience for the discontinuity. she worked hard to create the persona that she's having trouble living up to.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think she's any less smart and savvy than she's ever been, but I think the intrusion of fame/wealth/parenthood/marriage cannot be ruled out as a distraction.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 18:31 (thirteen years ago) link
The odd thing is that this album contains far fewer references to guns/bombs/radical chic than the previous two but because the music's so divisive it's getting all the flak that sceptics have been holding back until now. So she already is moving away from the posturing and foregrounding the personal. But I think she'll have to raise her lyrical game significantly to overcome the backlash, justified or not.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link
only had it since this afternoon but id say this album is a lot more intimate. the last two songs seem particularly touching and sweet in a way ive not heard from her before, almost as if she was thinking of music of hers that she could or might like to play to her child (not really heard the lyrics on these two properly yet though).
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't hate m.i.a.'s lyrics! i mean i haven't paid attention to the ones on the latest, and i doubt i will given that i don't intend to listen to it again. the thing i rail against is those lyrics being seen as radical, revolutionary or even all that politically substantive, by her and by those talking about her. some of her lyrics are dumb but she's good at a) nonsense but evocative missy-esque wordplay ("bamboo banga" and "galang"), b) character studies of, yes, displaced people ("10 dollar" and "hussel").
but the thing with the label of "radical activist" is that it works as a kind of free crit pass (until the ~backlash~ i guess, which would appear to be now) not available to artists without it - talking about politics is automatically a Good Thing (regardless of how well or coherently it's done) whereas talking about love or sex isn't seen to be (no matter how well it's done). i don't like it when people judge based on what something is rather than how that thing is done.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
to refine what i was saying earlier:
you can attract public attention with bold political provocations, but you risks harsh criticism when you do so. these things are a matched set, and everyone understands the way the relationship works. maya has made an obvious attempt to be politically provocative from day one, and it's worked for her, providing her musical career with a narrative and an aura of significance. it's disingenuous to pretend that she's done this accidentally or without regard to the ways in which others will receive her messages. and it's equally disingenuous to pretend that the negative attention she receives when her political persona shows cracks is somehow more unfair than the (largely) positive attention that she initially received from her faux-radical steez. two sides of the same coin. not saying she deserves the abuse, but it's a natural consequence of the game she's been playing.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't like it when people judge based on what something is rather than how that thing is done.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, July 14, 2010 1:50 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest
This.
― altered boners (rennavate), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Plato vs Aristotle.
― I'm never gonna do it without the Lex on (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Argument between contenderizer, titchy, lex and dorian on mia...some kind of nightmare
― blap...tremendo (deej), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link
if only you could wake up
― da croupier, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I admit seeing MIA live in Brussels shortly after the London 2005
*waves at Ned* :-)
― Nathalie (stevienixed), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Hi there! Nath was indeed at said show too.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know why, but I kind of figured the Born Free/NYT article/XXXO series of gestures was MIA clearing room to make her big pop move, using her increased visibility to actually try to reach a lot of the people she had heretofore only sang about. This necessarily means an adjustment in songwriting types--instead of selling the Third World to the indie-rati, she would be selling pop music to the Third World, a pop music of course that would be remade in its image, whcih to me explained the sudden emergence of the massive ego and the equally sudden willingness to paint in broad strokes, and make sweeping generalizations. As far as the affluence angle goes, it may seem jarring to us but it remains to be seen whether it becomes a problem with her "intended audience" (scare quotes bcz I'm not sure whether this is really her intentions or what I'm projecting onto her) (What is known: she definitely is very aware of the dichotomy of advocating for the poor and dispossessed while lounging in luxury--the idiosyncratic album name is due to the fact that it is spelled out in gold bars.)
(of course the fact that she's taking cues from Skinny Puppy kind of undercuts my whole conceit, so...who knows!)
― please sb me (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 23:32 (thirteen years ago) link
change 'adjustment in songwriting types' to 'shift in lyrical focus'--I really should write my posts out in rough drafts.
― please sb me (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 23:35 (thirteen years ago) link
― da croupier, Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:30 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
if u suggest ban me ill be one step closer...
― blap...tremendo (deej), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 23:37 (thirteen years ago) link
well keep it up, you're well on your way with this new budget-Jess act
― HI DERE, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 23:53 (thirteen years ago) link
wait Jess and deej aren't the same person? somebody please sb me...!
― please sb me (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 15 July 2010 00:03 (thirteen years ago) link
jess has a monopoly on being bitter???
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 15 July 2010 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link
not sure i buy HI DERE's budget tombot act
deej
coming onto a thread to say "some posters I don't like are having a conversation about something they're interesting, how terrible"
is weak
please don't do that any more
your friend who likes you
ua
― les yeux sans aerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 15 July 2010 01:24 (thirteen years ago) link
guh interested in
Comparing me to Tom when I'm not posting anything like him shows that a) you're reaching and b) you know you're being an annoying dick.
― HI DERE, Thursday, 15 July 2010 02:25 (thirteen years ago) link
also re: M.I.A. I really don't get why people dislike "Teqkilla" but it's pretty well documented at this point that there are artists who could record themselves farting into a bag and I would be all over it and three albums in I think it's safe to say that M.I.A. has joined this exalted company
― HI DERE, Thursday, 15 July 2010 02:27 (thirteen years ago) link
that seems to be her career trajectory, no?
― iatee, Thursday, 15 July 2010 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link
dan i'm a little offended.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Thursday, 15 July 2010 03:27 (thirteen years ago) link
^ big-budget
― oh sh!t a ¯\⎝⏠___⏠⎠/¯ (sic), Thursday, 15 July 2010 04:58 (thirteen years ago) link
this thread makes me want to hear it because skinny puppy has come up a few times! i hope they become a band to namecheck soon
― uptown churl, Thursday, 15 July 2010 05:50 (thirteen years ago) link
strongo is a big supporter of contenderizer
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 15 July 2010 07:28 (thirteen years ago) link
of course im being a dick -- i posted in a thread just to express annoyance at a circular conversation
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 15 July 2010 07:29 (thirteen years ago) link
dan is treating deej like the gingers were treated in the mia video
― max, Thursday, 15 July 2010 07:34 (thirteen years ago) link
open ur eyes sheeple
This is because there are literally thousands of artists who bang on about nothing other than love and sex whereas political musicians are few and far between.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 15 July 2010 09:03 (thirteen years ago) link
(Relatively speaking, that is. I think MIA's political statements are clumsy as hell but no one else had been doing it anywhere near the mainstream. New subject matter is refreshing, the reason people are starting to attack her now is because it's stopped being so).
― Matt DC, Thursday, 15 July 2010 09:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I like lex's final line but I think he's overstating the free pass. You might get one from Robert Hilburn or (to some extent) Greil Marcus or Christgau, but the average P4K/ILX/blog reader seems to be fairly intolerant of political content - ever since MIA first appeared there's been a significant number of sceptics who liked the music in spite, not because, of what she was saying.
But lex and I are coming from different angles here, so maybe it's like the way conservatives think the media has a liberal bias and liberals think the opposite.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 15 July 2010 09:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess "free crit pass" might mean more "disproportionate crit ATTENTION" - even now, when a ton of critics plain dislike her latest album, she's the hub of conversation (and i admit i'm contributing to this), which i guess is fine until i think about the many similar-but-way-better artists who get none of this attention or conversation, let alone any sort of free pass, just b/c they're not ~*political*~
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 15 July 2010 09:28 (thirteen years ago) link
also dorian, re: your other examples of "political" artists who weren't given as rough a ride as m.i.a. - lol do you really think i'd have been all that accepting of eg the clash or whoever if i'd been alive then? fucking HATE the clash! would've gone in even harder!
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 15 July 2010 09:32 (thirteen years ago) link
You're not the kind of critic I was thinking of, lex - I don't think you're particularly tolerant of politics in music generally. And the Clash were critiqued at the time - if the fuss about MIA's cavalier use of gun/bomb imagery reminds me of anything then it's Nick Kent and Jon Savage's reviews of the second Clash album - but not so savagely.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 15 July 2010 09:43 (thirteen years ago) link
i think about the many similar-but-way-better artists who get none of this attention or conversation, let alone any sort of free pass, just b/c they're not ~*political*
Dude you are massively overstating the extent to which politics factors into the MIA hype - the buzz around Arular and Kala was almost exclusively round "OMG this album is full of bangers".
― Matt DC, Thursday, 15 July 2010 09:47 (thirteen years ago) link
she's the hub of conversation (and i admit i'm contributing to this), which i guess is fine until i think about the many similar-but-way-better artists who get none of this attention or conversation, let alone any sort of free pass, just b/c they're not ~*political*~
thing about the "political", lex, is that it's only one way to court controversy and public interest. the artists that get talked about most are the ones who build a story, who keep feeding wood to the fire. in terms of the ability to get tongues wagging, i don't see how maya's political grandstanding is really all that different from britney's titillation/meltdown or lady gaga's art weirdo gender-bending. i mean, britney's collapse seemed less contrived, but it's still just another chapter in a the story that keeps (kept?) her shine up.
i half like the idea that we should concern ourselves only with the music, but it almost never works that way for the more high-profile artists. besides, we know that the construction/manipulation of a public persona can be an interesting form of art in itself. no reason to divorce identity as as art from other forms of artistic output.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 July 2010 09:56 (thirteen years ago) link
OTM. With MIA it's impossible to separate the politics from the personal narrative. As soon as you start talking about her childhood or family - boom - you're straight into politics.
lex, can you name another artist from the past 10 years who got heaps of critical attention/love because of their politics? IMO the past decade has seen a huge marginalisation of political artists (or rather continued it from the mid-90s), which is exactly why MIA stands out.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 15 July 2010 10:00 (thirteen years ago) link
wonder if this is a US/UK thing (dunno where you're typing from MDC)? agree that here in the US, maya's press initially focused on the music rather than her politics/persona. there was talk the of latter, but in a distant sort of way, observing the excited chatter overseas, but not delving too deeply into it. otoh, i get the impression that she's a much bigger celebtity in the UK, and that her background and message have been front and center from the beginning.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 July 2010 10:10 (thirteen years ago) link
She's bigger in the US than the UK, much bigger I think, if only for Paper Planes.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 15 July 2010 10:13 (thirteen years ago) link
lady gaga's art weirdo gender-bending
heh at the start with lady gaga her constant harping on about ~ART ART I AM AN ARTIST I DON'T WEAR PANTS I KNOW WHO WARHOL IS~ with nothing to back it up in the music rubbed me up in the wrong way in EXACTLY the same way as m.i.a. and her "politics". h8 it when i see artists aiming a priori for what they know to be crit/cred catnip. obv gaga actually went on to back it up tho - remarkable how she stepped her game up, i <3 her now but still think the early singles suck.
xps i think m.i.a. is actually way less of a celebrity in the uk - "paper planes" was a slow-burn minor hit but there was nothing similar to the grammys performance to catapult her into the national spotlight - the uk already doesn't care about lil wayne or t.i. so associating with them did nothing for m.i.a.'s profile here
dorian good point re: lack of political artists in this decade, but this is more "less artists are being political", not "political artists are being marginalised" - it seems sometimes that people really want artists to be more politicised than they are.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 15 July 2010 10:15 (thirteen years ago) link
She wasn't before then, though. When Arular came out, and even when Kala first appeared, she wasn't automatically getting lead reviews, and she's never been a celebrity in the gossip-column sense. I remember reviewing Kala and thinking it was a shame it wasn't going to sell much. Paper Planes changed everything quite late in the day.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 15 July 2010 10:17 (thirteen years ago) link
IMO the past decade has seen a huge marginalisation of political artists (or rather continued it from the mid-90s), which is exactly why MIA stands out.
was meaning to mention this earlier. the same idea got an airing recently in some pitchfork thread or another (don't wanna dig for it, but it concerned connor oberst joining the arizona boycott). anyway, i agree entirely. we seem recently to have developed this collective, knee-jerk distaste for political discourse in pop music.* i find this dispiriting, and for that reason have been happy to see maya's ascendance as a "political artist".
* and maybe that's why the backlash has been so particularly venomous.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 July 2010 10:20 (thirteen years ago) link
The thing that really sums it up for me is the bit in the Simpsons Movie where Green Day have been playing for three hours and Billie Joe asks for a minute to say something about the environment and everyone boos and shouts, "Preaching!" That, to me, is the story of political pop in the 00s.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 15 July 2010 10:27 (thirteen years ago) link
That's b/c people who care enough about music to think/write about it have made their peace with the status quo.
― Euler, Thursday, 15 July 2010 10:30 (thirteen years ago) link
this is more "less artists are being political", not "political artists are being marginalised" - it seems sometimes that people really want artists to be more politicised than they are.
again, US/UK, but as much as i hear lefty people my age and younger say they want musicians to express their politics, reactions tend to be harsh when they do. and not "i disagree with you" harsh, but "shut up you corny fuck!" harsh. like all the lolling at bono's political work. i think U2 and bono are awful, but still have huge respect for what he's done with his celebrity, regardless of what his motivations might have been. but i don't see a lot of respect for that kind of heart-on-sleeve actism in ilxor-type fan/critic circles.
admit though that this overinvolved mini culture is a kind of bubble, and it perhaps blinds me to the world outside it...
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 July 2010 10:31 (thirteen years ago) link
ha when people in an erykah badu audience shout "preach!" it's a sign of approval and will be accompanied by rapturous cheers, not boos
badu might be a good example actually - i also think new amerykah pt 1 is a landmark album-of-my-lifetime but it got waaaaay more attention because it was political than eg mama's gun or new amerykah pt 2
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 15 July 2010 10:32 (thirteen years ago) link
The Bono hate is widespread - he's the lightning rod for a lot of this stuff and I don't think he's done anything to justify this level of contempt. It's much easier to be the Red Hot Chili Peppers (who also moved their business to the Netherlands for tax reasons) and not give a shit about anything but money than it is to do anything political at all. I'm not saying there aren't many sound criticisms to make of Bono but I think the current antipathy is indicative of something else.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 15 July 2010 10:34 (thirteen years ago) link
this is a good angle. when talking about the response to politics in music, my frame of reference is largely defined by the american indie/rock/critical community. and it's way too easy to universalize the values of your niche, especially when you rarely venture outside it. reaction to musical politicking might be very different in other circles, but i'd know less about that.
speaking of badu, the recession and the last american election cycle seemed to encourage a wave of political rap and R&B, but i'm not sure yet where that's gonna lead.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 July 2010 10:46 (thirteen years ago) link
"a wave of political rap and R&B"
most of which was sadly shit
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 15 July 2010 10:53 (thirteen years ago) link
90% of verbalized thoughts about politics in any form are sadly shit
― i think i'm baby peach, larry koopa (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 15 July 2010 10:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I've said it before that if you submitted the wildly contradictory and more problematic lyrics of a less explicitly political artist like, say, Dizzee Rascal to this level of scrutiny it would collapse much faster than MIA's.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 15 July 2010 11:01 (thirteen years ago) link
"it seems sometimes that people really want artists to be more politicised than they are."
they dont really. in theory, they do, but when they actually get it, it just gets lols (as others have already said). partly cos a lot of the time its not really that good (eg - most of the terrible hip hop songs about obama) or apes long gone political-song tropes, but also cos people are too fucking cynical, think theyre too above it all and too clever for anything that 'believes in something'. the best way to do it now is to either do it from a pretty distant angle, be pretty opaque about it, to the point where its hard to tell if its actually that political or not, or do what mia does/did, which is hide it in lots of seemingly nonsensical lyrics, without being too brazen about it. ie dont show you believe in something TOO much.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 15 July 2010 11:03 (thirteen years ago) link
easy to say, but jeezy and badu did well in the recent 05-09 survey
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 July 2010 11:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I for one refuse to listen to any new political pop music unless it contains a credible plan for tackling the budget deficit.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 15 July 2010 11:05 (thirteen years ago) link
...people are too fucking cynical, think theyre too above it all and too clever for anything that 'believes in something'. the best way to do it now is to either do it from a pretty distant angle, be pretty opaque about it, to the point where its hard to tell if its actually that political or not, or do what mia does/did, which is hide it in lots of seemingly nonsensical lyrics, without being too brazen about it. ie dont show you believe in something TOO much.
^ this. and i'm fucking sick of it. so goddam cynical, timid and conservative.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 July 2010 11:07 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost. Which is why it's best when the music itself makes the point - MIA's music is "political" even if you can't understand the lyrics (see also: Public Enemy, Ghost Town, Sandinista!). These days, a political rap over a standard beat is going to struggle.
Talking of records which have avoided punishing scrutiny, Bombs Over Baghdad (Pitchfork's song of the decade no less) is far crasser in its use of political metaphor than anything MIA has done, but I don't remember anyone giving Outkast shit for it. I love that song - I just wonder why people don't question the validity and tact of using aerial bombardment as a metaphor for pulling your "thang".
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 15 July 2010 11:07 (thirteen years ago) link
you can't match a love like mine - it's like tryna rob me with a bb gunbut my love gets it poppin like the taliban*gunshots*
(the-dream, "sex intelligent")
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 15 July 2010 11:11 (thirteen years ago) link
one of my favourites was NERD saying that lapdance was about politicians. which i thought was pretty wtf/stfu at the time but now im a bit more sympathetic. just cos i like the concept. even though its bullshit. the dream is just wilfully moronic. this thread should be allowed to exist without discussing terius.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 15 July 2010 11:14 (thirteen years ago) link
i remember when jennifer capriati requested "b.o.b." as her entrance music for a match in miami, because she wanted to "show support for the troops" loooool. in response a tennis columnist sniffed that "capriati's unregenerate vulgarity is the worst-kept secret in the sport"
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 15 July 2010 11:15 (thirteen years ago) link
simply mentioning things that happen to have political significance != making political music. i mean, clipse roll deep like the hutus, but it's ridiculous to say they're making any kind of political point.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 July 2010 11:29 (thirteen years ago) link
rappers love quoting/referencing political stuff, esp when its gruesome/violent (eg - bob, clipse's hutu line, various rappers talking about the taliban), they divorce it from the politics really.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 15 July 2010 11:37 (thirteen years ago) link
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:29 AM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
also, water: wet
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 15 July 2010 11:59 (thirteen years ago) link
it's getting old, deej
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 July 2010 12:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Aren't Green Day kind of the counter example here? I thought American Idiot was their big 00s political album and people lapped that shit up!
― Moodles, Thursday, 15 July 2010 12:33 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.cokemachineglow.com/record_review/5514/mia-maya-2010
This is a spectacularly vindictive review. It reads like the guy personally detests her.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 15 July 2010 12:43 (thirteen years ago) link
What about System of a Down? Weren't they supposed to be a political band?
― kkvgz, Thursday, 15 July 2010 12:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Had you heard of the Armenian Genocide of 1915 before System of a Down told you?
― kkvgz, Thursday, 15 July 2010 12:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, Green Day and SOAD are both good examples, though I don't think of them as getting a free pass in these circles. And yeah, I knew nothing about the Armenian genocide before I interviewed SOAD.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 15 July 2010 12:59 (thirteen years ago) link
true, but it's also a interesting and insightful piece of criticism. though i strongly disagree with the writer's overall assessment, i enjoyed reading what he had to say. it even helped me understand the album a bit better. which doesn't excuse the raging, misplaced contempt, but everybody's got their axe to grind...
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 July 2010 13:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Well it's certainly not dull, but it didn't give me any insight at all, except into the psyche of an angry, angry man.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 15 July 2010 13:08 (thirteen years ago) link
ok no apologies for linking to HRO for like the third time on this thread, coz this contains the sentence "Wish I had a metaphorical ‘full table.’"
http://altreport.hipsterrunoff.com/2010/07/diplo-goes-on-record-calls-m-i-a-a-lazy-rich-careless-human-being.html
― I’ll put you in a f *ckin Weingarten you c*nt! (history mayne), Thursday, 15 July 2010 13:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Excellent work shoehorning Dostoevsky and Borges in there, angry young man.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 15 July 2010 13:12 (thirteen years ago) link
it's allllll about rich four four's review. everything has been worth it for the sake of this coming into existence http://fourfour.typepad.com/fourfour/2010/07/a-collage-for-a-collage.html
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 15 July 2010 13:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i wonder if cokemachine guy realises that the one song he likes but calls 'undeniably trite' wasn't written by her. least he could do is read the Wiki before he goes off on one.
― piscesx, Thursday, 15 July 2010 13:14 (thirteen years ago) link
We are all hopelessly linked, infamous truffle fries.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 July 2010 13:15 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^^ truth
― I'm never gonna do it without the Lex on (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 July 2010 13:16 (thirteen years ago) link
On records past M.I.A. was still alluding broadly to meaning—tellingly political, one of the easiest ways to seem relatable without actually saying anything, like any successfully galvanizing speech, though muddled and often contradictory—but I, and most listeners I’d venture, were more than willing to fill in the gaps of her argument with the energy of the dancefloor.
woah nelly. this is dude's second sentence. now, i loves me a good parenthetical dashy thing -- use it all the time -- but what in fuck is going on here? it's too long for a dashy bit and idk what dude even means. or what meaning he is alluding to.
― I’ll put you in a f *ckin Weingarten you c*nt! (history mayne), Thursday, 15 July 2010 13:16 (thirteen years ago) link
well, sure, he's an angry dick. no argument. but i think he's also kinda OTM about the glazed, disconnected, self-obsessed nature of the album, and how alienating that probably makes it for a lot of listeners. MIA's always been a sloganeer, and her slogan has always been "MIA", but on the new album, most of the joy drops out, leaving this weird, paranoid, inward-looking shell. the album cover and lead off "message" paint an accurate portrait of what MAYA has in store. and that's no big insight, but angryman's review helped bring all that into focus for me - in this moment, at least.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 July 2010 13:19 (thirteen years ago) link
re the 2nd sentence: yeah, lol. in reading that, i yadda'd out the gibberish parenthetical.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 July 2010 13:20 (thirteen years ago) link
At the risk of sounding like another kind of dick, that's pretty much exactly the gist of my Q review (not online so nobody's read it): "Obsessed with enemies, real and imagined, M.I.A. has begun to encase herself in armour which threatens to squeeze out her previous capacity for warmth and celebration." It's a point that can be made without sounding like a psychopath.
I see that angry cokemachineglow guy's review of !!! includes imagined dialogue, which is one dreadful reviewing gimmick I'm glad Pitchfork grew out of.
rich four four's is amazing. That's the ultimate consensus review.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 15 July 2010 13:22 (thirteen years ago) link
holy shit that four four thing!
"I feel as if I’m breaking up with my girlfriend of three years."
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 July 2010 13:23 (thirteen years ago) link
man, I would be so much more into that FourFour piece if it wasn't hyperlinked (although I know it needs to be); reading all of that formatted that way gives me a headache
― HI DERE, Thursday, 15 July 2010 13:43 (thirteen years ago) link
(also lol, sorry Jess)
― HI DERE, Thursday, 15 July 2010 13:44 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd120/hipsterrunoff/photographs/hro/644005c6.jpg
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 15 July 2010 13:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i do not enjoy reading hipster runoff. it is like kim jong il.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 July 2010 13:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Right now my main complaint about this album is that it chickens out halfway through and gets really slushy and nonabrasive without having anything really interesting or compelling to back up easing off the intensity of the music. Maybe no one else wants an entire album of "Teqkilla" but I really, really do.
― HI DERE, Thursday, 15 July 2010 13:54 (thirteen years ago) link
kim jong il is the greatest writer in the world
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 15 July 2010 13:54 (thirteen years ago) link
― HI DERE, Thursday, 15 July 2010 13:43 (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
haha running my cursor over it randomly was my favourite thing about it!
― Aptly nicknamed ‘Crème’ because he is so edible. Hilarious. (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 15 July 2010 13:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha! I'm the exact opposite. Can't stand Teqkilla and only grow to love the album from Story to Be Told onwards. I like the vulnerability. Obviously I was never a big enough Skinny Puppy fan.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 15 July 2010 13:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm actually trying to think of a better analogue than Skinny Puppy because the music on this is a good bit brighter than the sound palette they worked with; there's definite harshness going on but none of the menace.
lol I am making it sound like Nitzer Ebb, aren't I?
― HI DERE, Thursday, 15 July 2010 14:00 (thirteen years ago) link
"Truffle I'm Here"
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 July 2010 14:01 (thirteen years ago) link
FORCE IS MACHINEI LOVALOTALLAH
― HI DERE, Thursday, 15 July 2010 14:02 (thirteen years ago) link
"teqkilla" was the only track i felt like i might want to play again (and that only after listening to the nicki minaj remix)
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 15 July 2010 14:02 (thirteen years ago) link
"lovalot" was definitely the nadir
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 15 July 2010 14:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay, you disliked "Lovalot" more than "It Iz What It Iz"????????????????
like, how is that even possible
― HI DERE, Thursday, 15 July 2010 14:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually "Violent Playground" kinda IS the MIA aesthetic summed up in two words there, Dan.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 July 2010 14:04 (thirteen years ago) link
ha yeah I was thinking that
― HI DERE, Thursday, 15 July 2010 14:08 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe by "it iz what it iz" i was just drifting elsewhere, i don't remember it whereas i distinctly recall cringing at how bored she sounded on "lovalot"
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 15 July 2010 14:14 (thirteen years ago) link
it's seriously terrible, rivalling "It Takes A Muscle" for worst song on the album
kind of lolling at Diplo being all "I'm the only one doing any quality control on her" when his two tracks are easily among the worst on the album
― HI DERE, Thursday, 15 July 2010 14:17 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont think shes bored. more just tired. or weary. or unhappy. all qualities which dont necessarily = bad music.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 15 July 2010 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link
ha I was going to roll my eyes hardcore at Nicki Minaj being the gateway into "Teqkilla" and then I heard the verse excerpted on a Youtube video and srsly this is the first thing I've heard of hers that's been unambiguously great
― HI DERE, Thursday, 15 July 2010 14:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Tell me why some people hate Tell Me Why.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 15 July 2010 14:34 (thirteen years ago) link
some people just like to moan about stuff cos its fun.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 15 July 2010 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Musically, it's a lot thinner than most of the songs on the album. It's also just not very interesting; it's midtempo meandering doesn't really go anywhere and the thin arrangement makes autotuned vocals stick out as a very unflattering treatment of her voice; generally speaking, M.I.A. sounds better when she doesn't sounds like Ke$ha.
― HI DERE, Thursday, 15 July 2010 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link
In fairness, I would probably like it more were it not on this album, where all of the clatter and messiness is really grabbing my attention and the calm tracks are not.
― HI DERE, Thursday, 15 July 2010 14:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe no one else wants an entire album of "Teqkilla" but I really, really do.
^^^. The first side of the album is fantastic.
― I'm never gonna do it without the Lex on (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 July 2010 14:44 (thirteen years ago) link
also "Lovalot" is the tense, paranoid piece of music with a great use of tempo and her flat-affect delivery (kind of like on "XR2") makes the song for me, particularly on the Chinese interjections when she briefly bursts out of it and then slides back in
― HI DERE, Thursday, 15 July 2010 15:03 (thirteen years ago) link
This may seem a bit blasphemous, but is MAYA MIA's On The Corner?
― Moodles, Thursday, 15 July 2010 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
And also, is it just me or is Diplo's idea of "quality control" to only include songs that are either produced by Diplo (or maybe Switch) or that sound like them?
― Moodles, Thursday, 15 July 2010 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link
you might be onto something there!
― HI DERE, Thursday, 15 July 2010 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I know that some folks have argued against looking at this album from the perspective of which producers worked on it because it was all "M.I.A.s sound", but I'm not sure that I'm really convinced. I think the move from Diplo/Switch to Rusko shows to a certain extent how much what we consider the "M.I.A. sound" was perhaps really the Diplo/Switch sound. Rusko comes from a completely different world of club-friendly, bangin' dubstep and I think the harshness of his tracks comes across on MAYA as well.
― Moodles, Thursday, 15 July 2010 16:08 (thirteen years ago) link
this is a pretty good record. i don't really get a lot of the reviews i've read. some of them sound to me like they'd never actually listened to her before. it's hard for me to find anything on here, musically or lyrically, that doesn't follow directly in one way or another from things she's done before. i can understand hating it if you hate m.i.a. i can't at all understand hating it if you like or have ever liked m.i.a.
xpost: sort of, but there's always been a pretty brazen harshness to her sound. arular is full of clanks and bangs. the distorto-scuzz is i guess sort of new, but not a surprising one.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 15 July 2010 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link
not a surprising move, i mean.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 15 July 2010 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link
(i do think it's her weakest album, on initial listen, but a.) i might change my mind, and b.) considering how much i love the other ones, that's not really a put-down.)
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 15 July 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
the growing trend here is a march away from minimalist arrangements towards maximalism; her original songs were one or two synth lines/samples built around relatively simple beats and, with each successive album, she does stuff with more layers/pieces to it (which btw is why I call out the songs on this that I have; they're the ones that slip back into the older ways of doing MIA songs and are as a result a lot less interesting; the only one in this mold that works for me is "Lovalot")
― HI DERE, Thursday, 15 July 2010 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link
This is the first album in months I've actually bought as opposed to downloading first and living with it for a few weeks, and -- wow, I'm with tipsy. Beside the producer switches, I don't hear anything on this album that would alienate a fan.
― I'm never gonna do it without the Lex on (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 July 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
with each successive album, she does stuff with more layers/pieces to it
yeah, i think that's true. and it's why i love the sound of kala more than arular, it has these deep weird sound fields. this one is even busier, obviously. and buzzier, not lush like a lot of kala is. but it makes sense to me, none of the directions on the new one seem unprecedented given her earlier stuff. i mean, i guess if people just don't think the songs are very good, that's one thing. but enough of them already click with me that i don't share that opinion -- and i think more of them will click with me on more listens.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 15 July 2010 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
The sounds are harsh, steel-thin, and pop like firecrackers in unexpected places. The sequence from "XXXO to "Story To Be Told" is terrific noise-pop.
― I'm never gonna do it without the Lex on (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 July 2010 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
For me (given the caveat I noted yesterday) the primary attraction has always been her sound -- said sound may be mostly the work of others and what they bring to it but hey, it's her name on it and she has put the stamp on it, so it's hers as I hear it. As such it's an often very rich world where comprehension (lyrical or otherwise) almost reduces the impact, speaking strictly for myself.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 July 2010 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
the neverending, incomprehensible “Teqkilla,” a torture chamber of painful blips and industrial ambiance
Why does this sound appealing to me? I think this could be the description for some of my favorite music.
― Moodles, Thursday, 15 July 2010 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link
have you heard the album yet, Ned?
― I'm never gonna do it without the Lex on (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 July 2010 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Not yet, my slight contrarian side is kicking in with this and so many other releases right around now (Big Boi being another example) that are being so "OMG HEAR RIGHT NOW OR DIE" talked about that I'm all, "Um, I'll get to this in a little bit here, thanks." They aren't going to go anywhere in a month or two and I'd like to think I'm not beholden to the must-react-now culture. (I'd *like* to think that, I'm probably wrong.)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 July 2010 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Should say I've heard the singles of course, just not the full album.
I don't hear anything on this album that would alienate a fan.
Agreed - it sounds like an M.I.A. record to these (cloth?) ears. It's a bit patchy and a few songs have yet to grip me but that's probably what I first thought about Kala. Much preferring the noisier first half so far.
― embrace the flopping? no thanks (onimo), Thursday, 15 July 2010 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i think it's a sign of how much i just basically dig her thing that you could make a track like "believer" about three times as long and i'd be perfectly happy with it.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 15 July 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
(the "bonus" tracks are worth tracking down imo, even tho "caps lock" is pretty drab.)
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 15 July 2010 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Im waiting for the right mood to listen to this album as a whole with full attention. Something tells me I'll really love it. I love noisey stuff.
― Beach Pomade (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 15 July 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
um has this been posted?
― plax (ico), Thursday, 15 July 2010 17:52 (thirteen years ago) link
― I'm never gonna do it without the Lex on (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 July 2010 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ Dave holding up, of all things, AN LP
― Major Lolzer (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 July 2010 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry it has
― plax (ico), Thursday, 15 July 2010 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Dave and all of the late night hosts have switched to holding up LPs quite awhile ago actually.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 July 2010 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
They're bigger and easier for the audience to ssee.
― I'm never gonna do it without the Lex on (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 July 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
huh
haven't watched anything late night in awhile obviously
― Major Lolzer (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 July 2010 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link
it's seriously terrible [it iz what it iz], rivalling "It Takes A Muscle" for worst song on the album
crazy talk. i like the noisy stuff - born free, steppin up, meds & feds - have even come around to fully loving teqkilla. but that doesn't make the warmer, gentler tracks worse. it iz what it iz and it takes a muscle are lovely songs with sympathetic production.
problems with the album = a serious lack of cohesion and bit of pointless filler like lovalot and internet connection. story to be told and tell me why are just barely interesting enough to justify their inclusion, which means that a third of the album is somewhere between awful (internet connection) and ho-hum (tell me why). counting the 3 "bonus tracks" as part of the official album here. 11 good-to-great songs out of 15 wouldn't be such a bad average except for the fact that the 11 good ones are evenly split between abrasive noise and gentler pop, which makes for a schizophrenic listening experience. fact that the album front loads stuff teqkilla, lovalot and story to be told certainly doesn't help.
it's not hard to build a digestible album out of these tracks (with a bit of trimming), but MAYA works hard to be as off-putting as possible. and i like the album.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 July 2010 18:17 (thirteen years ago) link
The only song so far that induces fear and loathing is "It Takes a Muscle," which I knew was a cover without even glancing at the credits.
― I'm never gonna do it without the Lex on (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 July 2010 18:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Hm!:
Listened to MIA now - sure I'm not the first to have said it, but it's her Human After All really. Don't hate it, won't listen to it much.
(One reason I like this take is I like Human After All quite a lot!)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 July 2010 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link
On her first 2 albums, I really like about 2/3 of the tracks and will listen to them whenever they come on and can pretty much do without the other 1/3. I still consider these 2 of my favorite albums of the past decade. From what I've heard of MAYA (only listened to it on her myspace so far, still waiting to get the CD from Amazon), I probably like just about the same portion of tracks, although I don't yet know about their re-playability. So I would consider it at least very promising. So far I really like the abrasive and cluttered feel of many of these tracks.
― Moodles, Thursday, 15 July 2010 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link
The only song so far that induces fear and loathing is "It Takes a Muscle,"
awww :(
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 July 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Not as good as Alice Cooper's "Muscle of Love."
― I'm never gonna do it without the Lex on (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 July 2010 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
well yeah, but what is?
On her first 2 albums, I really like about 2/3 of the tracks and will listen to them whenever they come on and can pretty much do without the other 1/3. I still consider these 2 of my favorite albums of the past decade. From what I've heard of MAYA...I probably like just about the same portion of tracks...
fair point. i was saying something similar about MAYA a little while back (that it's about 2/3 great). it's true that her previous albums hit a comparable ratio, though. primary difference, if there is one, is that kala and arular are extremely consistent-sounding. they work within a fairly narrow palette of sounds and production approaches, providing maya with a dependably characteristic sound. MAYA, in contrast, goes off in a bunch of different directions, and only occasionally provides fans with what they've come to expect. song-to-song, it's alternately rougher and softer than anything she's done before. and it's hard to find the aesthetic thread that connects "teqkilla", "it takes a muscle" and "space". combined with the embattled, paranoid vibe throughout, it hardly makes for a welcoming first listen.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 July 2010 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
...or so i imagine, for those who loathe the album. works just fine for me, and the more i listen, the more i like it. still think its sequenced badly and could stand a bit of trimming.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 July 2010 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link
people who think this album is "too noisy" or "too harsh" really need to step away from the radio for a while.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Thursday, 15 July 2010 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
"oh dear, the arrangements are a bit loose in places and not every sound has been digitally sanded of its rough edges, horrors."
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Thursday, 15 July 2010 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
just got around to watching that letterman performance. god damn that's the shit! even with cruddy youtube sound, comes ripping out like a bomb. and so so great to see martin rev, cool as ice, bringing the noise with his fists (nice camerawork). the most electrifying musical performance i've seen on american TV in ages. felt the guy in those old maxell ads watching it, the blast all but knocking me out of my chair. a hell of a lot better than the album version, and the album version rules.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 July 2010 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
lolz!
― Soft Sad Tecmo Bowl (Spinspin Sugah), Thursday, 15 July 2010 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
reposting for those who maybe missed it last night/the first time around:
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 July 2010 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I enjoy the presentation but that sound is atrocious and I dunno how much to blame that on the rip vs. how much to blame that on the "song" itself. I mean, I don't even hear the drums at all, just a blur of white noise
― Major Lolzer (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 July 2010 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link
okay so if you don't hear the drums I would actually blame that on your ears
― HI DERE, Thursday, 15 July 2010 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I dunno man, from about a minute in on I can't differentiate the snare or the kick from whatever white noise generator Rev is playing
― Major Lolzer (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 July 2010 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
So what?!
― I'm never gonna do it without the Lex on (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 July 2010 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
It's a performance on television captured on YouTube.
kick does get buried, there's maybe a snare in there somewhere (?), and the cymbals cut through easy. i can't complain abt the sound, cuz the energy comes across fine.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 July 2010 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess my point is it sounds like shit!
but yeah clip on youtube, so no need for alarm
― Major Lolzer (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 July 2010 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
MIA does power electronics
― No one is too good for this album; it is better than all of us. (herb albert), Thursday, 15 July 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
MIAzbow?
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 July 2010 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
a little bit!
― HI DERE, Thursday, 15 July 2010 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
teqkilla's starting to sound like the best track on the album
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 July 2010 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
in light the "where is my mind" biting on kala and the pixies-reminiscent gtr on "meds & feds", i'm idly wondering whether maya's a fan. which speculation tempts me to posit MAYA as a kind of surfer rosa rework of her established sound. like, taking something familiar and basically pop, breaking it to pieces, and pushing all the most jagged elements to the fore. again, adrian sherwood's probably a more meaningful touchstone for that kind of activity in club music, but "rock music" seems like an equally important reference point wr2 this particular album. xtrmntr (again again) being the/an intersection of the two.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 July 2010 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link
^ ridiculous comparison, i know
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 July 2010 23:12 (thirteen years ago) link
We know.
― I'm never gonna do it without the Lex on (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 July 2010 23:48 (thirteen years ago) link
it's one of the best, for sure. reviews i've read that single it out for scorn just leave me smh.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Friday, 16 July 2010 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i wasn't sure what to make of it at first. it's long, seemingly unstructured and noisy as hell, so it doesn't surprise me that some see it as a dealbreaker. especially if they have no noise tolerance and/or haven't taken the time to really come to grips with the album.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Friday, 16 July 2010 04:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I talked to my friend last night who had just bought it and she seemed disappointed...she thought it sounded very American & commercial. I think the implication was that she thought it was MIA's "sellout" album!
― The Uncanny X-Men feat. Jah Wobble & Keith Levene (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 16 July 2010 14:23 (thirteen years ago) link
― HI DERE, Friday, 16 July 2010 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm failing to see how any record that gets people mentioning Skinny Puppy and Merzbow can be a commercial/sellout record.
― embrace the flopping? no thanks (onimo), Friday, 16 July 2010 14:30 (thirteen years ago) link
why do pop artists still think it's cool or interesting to have a bunch of people dressed like them onstage all the time
― goth (crüt), Friday, 16 July 2010 14:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought it was cool.
― embrace the flopping? no thanks (onimo), Friday, 16 July 2010 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link
oh ok
― goth (crüt), Friday, 16 July 2010 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm ever older than Maya though so what do I know about cool :(
― embrace the flopping? no thanks (onimo), Friday, 16 July 2010 14:33 (thirteen years ago) link
(xp to onimo) i don't think she listens to much Merzbow or SP so I don't think she quite made that connection...
― The Uncanny X-Men feat. Jah Wobble & Keith Levene (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 16 July 2010 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah I mean people on here & elsewhere on the Internet say how noisy it is (in places) then someone disconnected thinks it's a sellout album and it seems weird that they're discussing the same album.
― embrace the flopping? no thanks (onimo), Friday, 16 July 2010 14:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I think some people may be having a hard time coming to grips with the lack of a "world" dance vibe on this new album. Kala in particular had a real globetrotting feel to it. That's not what this new one is about.
― Moodles, Friday, 16 July 2010 14:39 (thirteen years ago) link
The world vibe is of course seen as more "authentic".
^yeah, actually...my friend is a really good and intelligent person, and she even has decent musical tastes, but she described Kala as being "really jungle"...
― The Uncanny X-Men feat. Jah Wobble & Keith Levene (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 16 July 2010 14:41 (thirteen years ago) link
(which is why she preferred it to the new one)
― The Uncanny X-Men feat. Jah Wobble & Keith Levene (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 16 July 2010 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link
"really jungle"
If only. M.I.A. needs to get with Zomby and start planning out that Jungle revival record.
― Moodles, Friday, 16 July 2010 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Diplo piles on with more criticism
http://www.blackbookmag.com/article/diplo-on-mias-new-album-she-didnt-care-about-it/20686
― curmudgeon, Friday, 16 July 2010 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
CORRECTION and APOLOGY: It didn’t make sense to us that Diplo would say M.I.A. had “no talent in any aspect,” but after listening to the recording of the phone interview repeatedly, it was our conclusion. It turns out that conclusion was wrong. What Diplo, who was speaking very quickly, actually said was that M.I.A., has “got” talent in every aspect, which makes a lot more sense to us. Apologies to both Diplo and to M.I.A. We will now perform 40 lashes upon ourselves in repentance.
― HI DERE, Friday, 16 July 2010 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
m.i.a. has yes men?
― i think i'm baby peach, larry koopa (J0rdan S.), Friday, 16 July 2010 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
But besides that I think she’s amazing and she’ll put another record out that’s going to be fuckin’ sick because I think she needs to get grounded at some point
I still have yet to hear this thing but from the responses it's getting, it seems to scream "transitional record!"
― The Uncanny X-Men feat. Jah Wobble & Keith Levene (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 16 July 2010 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Too bad John Cusack's too old to play Diplo in the movie
― da croupier, Friday, 16 July 2010 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I GO STICKY STICKY ICKY ICKY WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
― HI DERE, Friday, 16 July 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
or is it weed, not I'm second-guessing
― HI DERE, Friday, 16 July 2010 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link
lol I am terrible at lyrics even when they are written in the CD liner notes
― HI DERE, Friday, 16 July 2010 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I think it's Icky Icky Icky P'tang
― surfer blood for oil (Hurting 2), Friday, 16 July 2010 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
sticky icky icky wii
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 17 July 2010 02:31 (thirteen years ago) link
I haven't stopped playing this thing. Suddenly the last 100 hours of this thread seems irrelevant.
― I'm never gonna do it without the Lex on (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 July 2010 02:34 (thirteen years ago) link
*seem
yeah, this. though the rhythms and rhythmic emphasis are still there, it seems much less like dance music than anything she's done so far, and the "exotic" detailing is almost entirely gone. overall vibe is kinda rock.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Saturday, 17 July 2010 08:48 (thirteen years ago) link
it is more of a rock album, for sure, but it's still pretty funky. i had it on loud last night while i was doing household stuff and there was a lot of stuff that made me want to jump around. even the spacey, dubbier stuff mostly had grooves. the adrian sherwood mentions upthread are obviously otm, and overall again it makes me think her most obvious precedent is punk/postpunk of the ari up/jah wobble axis.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 17 July 2010 12:25 (thirteen years ago) link
(an axis that also includes the sandinista-era clash, obv., all of which helps explain to me why i love her so much.)
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 17 July 2010 12:27 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^word!
― deep purple yoda (Ioannis), Saturday, 17 July 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
it makes me think her most obvious precedent is punk/postpunk of the ari up/jah wobble axis.
an axis I can believe in. seriously this is only sounding better and better...
― The Uncanny X-Men feat. Jah Wobble & Keith Levene (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 17 July 2010 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
my only beef with this album is that the two lulls ("Story To Be Told" through "It Iz What It Iz" and "Tell Me Why" through "Space") are really fucking dire
I can't rate this album as highly as the first two because of that, even though I really, really REALLY love the "XXXO"/"Teqkilla"/"Lovalot" sequence
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ This, but with the highs and lows almost entirely reversed. (I think we can agree on Born Free)
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
wait, you really like "It Iz What It Iz" and "It Takes A Muscle"????? really cannot fathom
"Born Free" is awesome, yes
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Equally, I can't work out how anyone could love Teqkilla. We can be like odd-couple detectives.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I've come around to "It Takes a Muscle."
I rate her albums: Kala >>>>>> Maya >> Arular
― Would love to hear Bam babble about this (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
This thing has a punch and density that reminds me why big budgets are often good.
― Would love to hear Bam babble about this (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
"Story To Be Told" is the one I vacillate the most on, followed by "Tell Me Why"
Really I just want her to do an album full of tenuous puns like "Teqkilla", "Lovealot" and "Illygirl" because that's when I find her most fun (aside from "Born Free" where she satisfies the hypothesis "simple shouting = simple fun")
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I love both Story and Tell Me Why because the contrast between the vocal samples and the heavyweight drums seems to be at the heart of the album's mix of toughness and vulnerability. They're the most widescreen productions to me. (BTW, I don't have the special edition so haven't heard Illygirl, etc yet)
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.amazon.com/Illygirl/dp/B003UP3VNA
here's a sample
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
It Iz What It Iz seems like the best song on the album to me: A gauzy, slow banger-type. Of course it's a Blaqstarr joint.
― bmichael, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
It may seem that way, but what it actually is is a vacant, boring, meandering mess with no propulsion, drive or entry point to invite the listener into its world.
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i like the hard jams most, but i really don't mind the spacey pop -- "space" in particular, which i've liked ever since she released the video some months back. i like how the contrast throws the whole album off-kilter. i think i pretty much agree with alfred's ranking of the three albums, tho piracy funds terrorism would rate between kala and maya.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
A best-of album skimming the best tracks off of all three albums would be like wo
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:42 (thirteen years ago) link
also no one would be able to agree what tracks to put on it
Dan, this isn't the Inception thread.
― Would love to hear Bam babble about this (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link
(Actually "Space" is pretty good; I just get so amped up by the uptempo tracks that I never want to hear it.)
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link
after listening for a couple weeks, i love the record straight through and would only be tempted to cut "tell me why", which makes the album's final stretch a bit of a chore. swap it out for "illygirl" and "believer". though i like the gentler stuff in the middle, hi dere's right that the strongest tracks are the hardest/noisiest: "xxxo" through "lovealot" to kick the album off, "born free" + "meds & feds" at the other end. initially HATED "lovealot", dunno why...
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Is "XXXO" really not pop friendly? I'm kind of out of the loop chart-wise but it sounds like it's a pretty clear single to me.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
"XXXO" sounds like a lost Debbie Deb or Lisa Lisa track.
― Would love to hear Bam babble about this (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
"XXXO" is super pop-friendly IMO
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
"xxxo" is very catchy and perhaps even pop-friendly. when i first heard it, i thought it sounded too sluggish and harsh to really work as a proper pop single, but now that i'm used to it, i can't see what bothered me about it in the first place. i'd still be really surprised if it made any kind of dent in the american pop charts.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link
well yeah no one is going to play it, or if they do it will happen in like 2012 when none of us actually care
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link
i've since deleted the version of "xxxo" i downloaded a month or two back. seem to recall the crunchy, shattery, metallic noise elements being a little more prominent in the mix. album version is fairly smooth, really. maybe it was just the shitty MP3 quality that made it sound so abrasive...
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link
well, there were two versions of it floating around; one was way more abrasive/harsh and the other was what ended up on the album
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm really starting to notice the quality of MP3 vs albums lately. I thought the LCD Soundsystem was trash until I bought a physical copy.
― Would love to hear Bam babble about this (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link
all the leaks for that sounded particularly shitty
― emotional radiohead whatever (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
xx-post: that's probably it. i'm still hearing the song as filtered through my initial impressions of the earlier, noisier mix. released version isn't as abrasive, but it is sharp, spare, tough-sounding (through the verses, anyway). seems more in keeping w tracks like teqkilla than with the diplo stuff.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link
"illygirl" is not bad!
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link
The final arrival in the top 10 this comes from M.I.A.'s "Maya," starting at No. 9 with 28,000. It easily surpasses the No. 18 debut and peak of her last set, 2007's "Kala," though it started with a shade more: 29,000
― Would love to hear Bam babble about this (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Congratulations M.I.A.! People are buying fewer albums than ever!
― Moodles, Wednesday, 21 July 2010 17:12 (thirteen years ago) link
i like "it takes a muscle" but then i looked up the original version by spectral display and liked it better.
― teledyldonix, Wednesday, 21 July 2010 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah unbelievable that 28,000 gets you in the Top 10. industry is so dead.
― Major Lolzer (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Only just managed to bring myself to listen to this, and my expectations were so low that I actually find myself pleasantly surprised that it has one good song (It Takes A Muscle).
I think I've said before (in response to Hit That) that MIA just doesn't work unless there's momentum or melody behind her, her delivery isn't good enough to work over slower or sparer beats, and as soon as you start incorporating dubstep elements into anything it's the equivalent of tying lead weights to it.
She just picked the wrong producers really, there are so many people out there at the moment who would have been perfect for her - an MIA album featuring Toddla T/Crazy Cousinz/Ill Blu/Kingdom/Sticky/all of the above could have been amazing.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 July 2010 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link
kind of boggling that anyone would pick "It Takes A Muscle" as the one good song
― FUCK YOU I'M BLACK (HI DERE), Thursday, 22 July 2010 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link
like, why do you think it's good and not a meandering, plodding mess of nonsense?
― FUCK YOU I'M BLACK (HI DERE), Thursday, 22 July 2010 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link
It has a tune, that helps.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 July 2010 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link
It's not great by any means but on an album with virtually no decent hooks whatsoever it stood out.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 July 2010 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
since when has MIA been about tunes??????
Like, where is the tune in "Bucky Done Gun" or "Galang" or "XR2" or "10 Dollar" or "$20"? How is the tune on "It Takes A Muscle" any different from or better than "Tell Me Why" or "Space" or "XXXO"? What is a "decent hook" and why don't you think the ones in "Teqkilla", "Born Free", "Lovalot", "Illygirl", "Internet Connection", or "Steppin Up" qualify?
I could understand hating the entire album but picking out the least energetic and least interesting song as the best one and then dismissing the rest of the album for pretty much doing exactly what M.I.A. did on her previous two albums, all over tracks regularly singled out as being among her best (note: not every track I listed is regularly singled out as being among her best) and basically I think you're being lazy.
― FUCK YOU I'M BLACK (HI DERE), Thursday, 22 July 2010 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean it's kind of like hearing "Pass That Dutch" and going "ugh I used to love Missy Elliott so much on 'Work It' but now all she does is brag about her sexual prowess"
― FUCK YOU I'M BLACK (HI DERE), Thursday, 22 July 2010 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Dan you're overstating the similarities between what MIA does here and what she did on the last two albums. MIA's never been about tunes really but she's always been about HOOKS - Bucky Done Gun, Galang, 10 Dollar, Fire Fire, Paper Planes, Banboo Banga, Boyz... all of these have terrific hooks and they almost all work because they have this fantastic sense of darting forward motion.
The new songs, especially the Roska produced ones, feel draggy and leaden, and it doesn't help that they're almost all much slower than all the tracks you listed from the previous albums. They mostly suffer from the same things I hate about this strand of dubstep. There are producers and vocalists who do incredible things with menacing bass rumbling and grinding metallic beats and Rusko and MIA aren't really among them.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 July 2010 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the sound effects here have the hooks you're looking for.
― Would love to hear Bam babble about this (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 July 2010 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Just for the record, "Teqkilla", "Born Free", and "Lovalot" are all faster than the songs you listed and "Paper Planes" is the slowest song she's ever done, so you are arguing from a provably false premise.
― FUCK YOU I'M BLACK (HI DERE), Thursday, 22 July 2010 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe the main thing is that on the first two records the vocals & the beats were much better friends...the beats sounded like they were made for her and she sounded great on them. on this record they feel weirdly disconnected imo.
― emotional radiohead whatever (Jordan), Thursday, 22 July 2010 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
pretty sure galang is faster than teqkilla (you have to factor in that dancehall upbeat/double-time feel)
― emotional radiohead whatever (Jordan), Thursday, 22 July 2010 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
ha okay yes it is
it's not faster than "Lovealot"
― FUCK YOU I'M BLACK (HI DERE), Thursday, 22 July 2010 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not really arguing about speed, I'm arguing about momentum and Teqkilla may be fast but throws too much stuff in the way of the beat to ever feel like it's settling into a good groove. Paper Planes is slower but it rolls along so well. I don't much like Born Free at all as a song but at least it feels like it's going somewhere.
I mean in the interests of full disclosure 99% of dubstep really fucking bores me so I'm not really ever going to like an album like this with a big dubstep footprint all over it.
I actually quite like Lovalot after listening to it again, mostly due to the vocals. Part of my problem with this album is that the beats she's picked feel like they exacerbate her limitations as a singer and MC, whereas the last two albums render those limitations irrelevant.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 July 2010 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean I'm pretty sure she wasn't going for momentum and bounce and groove on most of these songs but that doesn't stop me thinking it was a bad aesthetic choice to have made.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 July 2010 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link
"Lovalot" is rather quickly becoming the standout track on the album for me.
Many of the others had to sink in a bit before I got them (except "Teqkilla") and some I still just flat-out dislike (most notably "It Takes A Muscle" which is why I was baffled that THAT was the one track that you said was any good)
― FUCK YOU I'M BLACK (HI DERE), Thursday, 22 July 2010 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
"It Takes a Muscle" is the track I've come around to last.
― Would love to hear Bam babble about this (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 July 2010 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link
It's probably just that I found a lot of what came before it so unpleasant that a bit of watery reggae felt kind of refreshing.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 July 2010 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Part of my problem with this album is that the beats she's picked feel like they exacerbate her limitations as a singer and MC, whereas the last two albums render those limitations irrelevant.
^^^yeah, this is it for me. she's great within a very small range, and it's got to be hard to keep writing tunes/finding beats to exploit that after a few albums.
― emotional radiohead whatever (Jordan), Thursday, 22 July 2010 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't mean to be pedantic, but the tracks on which she's sung in a conventional sense are very few.
― Would love to hear Bam babble about this (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 July 2010 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Fuck the haters. Every time I listen to this I love the texture of it more and more and more.
― Alex in Montreal, Thursday, 22 July 2010 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Hazy and noisy and chaotic and overly busy and just...I read and understand people's reasons for disliking the LP (as in understand the words that they are saying) but I can't imagine myself into a position where my ears hear whatever it is that they do.
― Alex in Montreal, Thursday, 22 July 2010 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Teqkilla may be fast but throws too much stuff in the way of the beat to ever feel like it's settling into a good groove
ok, this gives me an excuse to quote myself (from here):
Nothing really flows on Maya—it rushes forward, loops back, races off in a different direction, and sometimes just flails around drunkenly.
(but i mean it in a good way.)
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 22 July 2010 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Alex, otm. When did people stop liking noisy, abbrasive, anti-everything music that you can actually mosh or dance to? Seriously, the way some people are criticizing this album, you'd think M.I.A.'s previous albums were adult-contemporary. Kala and Arular are NOT quiet storm, folks.
― Loverboy (Spinspin Sugah), Friday, 23 July 2010 00:40 (thirteen years ago) link
I pick most of my favorite music based on whether or not I can mosh to it.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 July 2010 00:44 (thirteen years ago) link
that's hot.
― Loverboy (Spinspin Sugah), Friday, 23 July 2010 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
When did people stop liking noisy, abbrasive, anti-everything music that you can actually mosh or dance to?
when did i ever start liking that bullshit!
(strike out the dance bit, i assume not even maya's staunchest defenders are arguing that)
(i don't think being noisy or abrasive is this album's problem, it's hardly extreme sonically. it's just boring and she doesn't sound into it.)
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
man, your ears must've been burning from that thread where people are saying that you have a difficult time accepting other people's taste in music...and apparently, issues with accepting the existance of others.
― Loverboy (Spinspin Sugah), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Lex, there's totally danceable stuff here. It's not necessarily of a piece with ARULAR's Baltimore club/baile funk fusion or KALA's dancehall/reggaeton/rave world beats, but it's danceable...
XXXO, Teqkilla, Lovalot, basically the whole first half of the LP is pretty dancey for me in a clattery sort of way. The middle reggae/slow jam/ballads/whatever section is a lull, to be sure, and Born Free/Meds and Feds are too extreme for the club, but there's a decent amount to move to on /\/\ /\ Y /\.
Y /\/\ /\/\ \/, of course.
― Alex in Montreal, Friday, 23 July 2010 03:24 (thirteen years ago) link
― FUCK YOU I'M BLACK (HI DERE), Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:49 PM (8 hours ago) Bookmark
well, at risk of stating the obvious, it's catchy and fun, in a trivial, summery kind of way. though it's far from my favorite track on the album, i liked it immediately and can easily understand why some might prefer it to anything else on offer here. it's generous, lighthearted and inviting in a way that the rest of the album just ... isn't. reminds of "the tide is high" or something.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Friday, 23 July 2010 05:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes. After an opening stretch in which MIA sounds surly, paranoid and obnoxious, it's a useful change of pace to hear some warmth and charm from her. I see the whole album as a tug between the political and the personal, aggression and vulnerability, so songs like this and Space are a vital counterpoint. I really like Diplo's production as well.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 23 July 2010 08:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah that's exactly it, overall I think it's a very jaded-sounding record especially the opening section, and I actively dislike most of the production so I don't think I'm going to be giving this more time.
― Matt DC, Friday, 23 July 2010 08:46 (thirteen years ago) link
fwiw, i initally had a huge problem with the "jaded-sounding" aspects of this record, too. i think the sequencing is almost suicidal. it offers up this huge block of bored, tired, fuck-you right off the bat, and by the time people are done choking that down, i'm not surprised that little else on the record (excepting "it takes a muscle") appeals to some. i didn't come to appreciate the record until i'd resequenced it and listened to it a bunch of times. my intro version cut the more bored & paranoid shit entirely and pushed the aggro stuff to the back. helped me get a feel for what maya was getting at, and now that i'm on board with the record as a whole i understand why it ended up sequenced that way.
makes me think about how artists maybe loose sight of what they're saying/giving when they're buried in the process. cuz it's a fantastic set of songs, but the presentation all but dares you to write it off.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Friday, 23 July 2010 09:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Some songs didn't actually make much sense to me until I got them onto a better sound system; the bass in "Steppin' Up" is MONSTROUS for example but doesn't actually register on my headphones.
― FUCK YOU I'M BLACK (HI DERE), Friday, 23 July 2010 13:36 (thirteen years ago) link
it offers up this huge block of bored, tired, fuck-you right off the bat,
"steppin up" is a lot of things, but bored and tired would not have occurred to me.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Friday, 23 July 2010 13:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I recognize there's some thinness in "Steppin' Up" sonically and the coda for "Teqkilla" is probably a minute too long but things don't get boring until "Story To Be Told" IMO.
― FUCK YOU I'M BLACK (HI DERE), Friday, 23 July 2010 13:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't actually articulate my huge problem with Stepping Up and Teqkilla except to say that they're a horrible fucking racket that I find physically unpleasant to listen to. Which obviously will strike some people as a recommendation.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 23 July 2010 14:12 (thirteen years ago) link
This. Took until yesterday for me to realize how much of a wobbly banger it is.
― Y /\/\ /\/\ \/ (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 23 July 2010 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
http://hypnagogics.com/questo/#MIA
― emotional radiohead whatever (Jordan), Friday, 23 July 2010 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
that is fucking great
― jaymc won $5800 on day 1! (HI DERE), Friday, 23 July 2010 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
holy crap! just listened to this for the first time on CD--played on a cheap sony blaster at that; no high-end stereo shenanigans for me thanx--and IT IS MASSIVE! every fucking track sounds sooooooo much fuller/denser/better than it did on the shitty mp3 versions i'd been listening to over the past week or two--and just hit wayyyyyy deeper (emotionally/aesthetically/whathavu) overall. word.
― deep purple yoda (Ioannis), Friday, 23 July 2010 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Is there a thread for ?uestlove's celebrity stories, because many of them are hilarious
― jaymc won $5800 on day 1! (HI DERE), Friday, 23 July 2010 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Friday, July 23, 2010 6:37 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark
no, you're right. it's loud and brash, so's tekquilla. "the message", "lovealot" and especially "story to be told" are the tracks sound bored and tired. a little of that vibe even creeps into "xxxo", though it's generally a very pop/accessible song. my initial problem was the oppressive combination of hostility, defensiveness, paranoia and disinterest that those 1st six tracks cumulatively generate. after which, "it takes a muscle" feels like an oasis of sunshine.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Friday, 23 July 2010 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
UH OH
http://threeroomspress.blogspot.com/2010/07/review-mia-fizzles-out-in-2010-stage.html
Her mic was still out for song two: "Bucky Done Gun" from the 2005 release "Arular." And by then the ninjas and others had left the stage, so it was just two women bouncing around in front of lights and projections, and only one of them could be heard, atop a muddy sound mix.By song three, they were turning laser lights on the audience, and MIAs mic started making some noise. "Lovalot" came next, and little had improved. MIA kept going into the night. And the crowd started heading en masse for the boat home: exhausted and sorely disappointed.
acc to tweets the show got cut off for rain not long after
― da croupier, Sunday, 25 July 2010 07:09 (thirteen years ago) link
upstaged by die antwoord. the ironing.
― da croupier, Sunday, 25 July 2010 07:11 (thirteen years ago) link
the dancehall sample in "lovalot" is so fucking sick
― ballerrr (The Reverend), Saturday, 31 July 2010 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link
after playing it 3 times I fucking love it except for maybe "tell me why". bonus tracks fall kinda flat tho
― ballerrr (The Reverend), Saturday, 31 July 2010 04:42 (thirteen years ago) link
One of the albums of the year.
― balls and adieu (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 31 July 2010 13:25 (thirteen years ago) link
it is an album and it came out this year but that's where our opinions diverge
― krippendorf's trife (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 31 July 2010 13:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm listening to this right now and I'm not really hearing any bad tracks...it's a bit of a curveball after Kala, not quite on that level, but it's hella solid, which is not the impression you would get from surfing the Net for a couple of hours...
― demons a. real (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 31 July 2010 14:16 (thirteen years ago) link
...or from reading this thread.
― balls and adieu (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 31 July 2010 14:19 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm digging "Tell Me Why" more although I still hate the chorus. Still not really warming to "It Takes a Muscle" or "It Is What It Is".
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Saturday, 31 July 2010 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
weed helps.
― Loverboy (Spinspin Sugah), Sunday, 1 August 2010 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i love both those songs and do not weed
― ballerrr (The Reverend), Sunday, 1 August 2010 12:49 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not having any truck with the "OMG I listened to it on a proper sound system and bass is HUGE!" crew here because massive wobbly bass is kinda the bare minimum you expect when you get Rusko in on a track. It's not making me feel any more affection towards the songs.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 1 August 2010 13:00 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, was kidding there. I don't really see how you couldn't enjoy "It Takes A Muscle", which is the closest thing to a chart "hit" on the album.
― Loverboy (Spinspin Sugah), Sunday, 1 August 2010 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link
it keeps getting better with every play for me; bass to the treble, treble to the bass. heck, there's so much sonic detail to get lost in here, that i'm almost inclined to call it her Sgt. Pepper in that respect. or maybe it's only her DSOTM? ^_^
― deep purple yoda (Ioannis), Sunday, 1 August 2010 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link
dude
― just to guetta rep (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 1 August 2010 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link
there are so many mustaches in the photos for the Killers' Sam's Town that I like to call it their Sgt Pepper in that respect.
― da croupier, Sunday, 1 August 2010 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, but where does the The Black Parade fit in?
― deep purple yoda (Ioannis), Sunday, 1 August 2010 15:06 (thirteen years ago) link
my 5-yr-old, who was a big fan of kala, has started to warm to maya after some evident early uncertainty. the third time he heard "teqkilla" in the car, he started banging in time on whatever was in reach from his car seat. he likes "lovalot" too.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 1 August 2010 15:10 (thirteen years ago) link
(i'm just hoping the vocals are obscured enough that he's not going to show up in kindergarten saying "i run this fucking club")
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 1 August 2010 15:11 (thirteen years ago) link
club-a-club-a-club-club club-a-club-a-club-club
― ballerrr (The Reverend), Sunday, 1 August 2010 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Street Sweeper Social Club covering "Paper Planes"!
http://www1.rollingstone.com/hearitnow/player.php?xmlData=streetsweeper/streetsweeper.xml
― just to guetta rep (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 1 August 2010 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
thx a lot guyz im tryin 2 watch me spendin' and all yer talk about M.I.A. got me curious and I bought Kala and really liked it hope you're happy now i'm filing for bankruptcy
― San Te, Monday, 2 August 2010 00:48 (thirteen years ago) link
All I wanna do is [bang bang bang bang]And a [ka-ching]And take all your money
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Monday, 2 August 2010 04:36 (thirteen years ago) link
― ballerrr (The Reverend), Monday, 2 August 2010 05:53 (thirteen years ago) link
i walked past m.i.a in dalston last night!
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Monday, 2 August 2010 19:31 (thirteen years ago) link
felt 'relevant' etc
late pass non-groundbreaking album discussion
i actually like most of the music on this but the lyrics are among the worst i've ever heard
― haido, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 11:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Really? Which in particular? I've heard a lot of lyrics worse than this.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 12:49 (thirteen years ago) link
We gotta love one anotherThat's what the good man saysBut i got too much troubleGoing on in my head
from it takes a muscle... everything just seems so trite, i mean i guess the problem is that there's very little originality in there?
tweeting me like tweetie bird on your iphone... really? what makes it worse is that xxxo is probably my favourite song on the album.
― haido, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 12:56 (thirteen years ago) link
It Takes a Muscle is a cover version of a song by a Dutch band singing in a second language so that's not the best example to pick.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 13:05 (thirteen years ago) link
i like some of her lines, but in general m.i.a.'s lyrics have never functioned very well outside the music. which is ok by me, that's true of lots of people.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 13:08 (thirteen years ago) link
She always reminded me of Missy Elliott in that respect (lots of rappers, obviously, but her especially). I love Missy's music but I'm not in the market for a slim hardback volume of her lyrics.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 13:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Though I think Kala is often brilliant lyrically.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 13:11 (thirteen years ago) link
so i'm just stupid then, ha
― haido, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 13:29 (thirteen years ago) link
My least favorite moment on this album: when she says "Hu Jintao" in a cringeworthy "Chinese" accent. Makes my skin crawl.
The lyrics on Lovealot in general seem to be aiming at the pseudo-political by throwing out names of famous figures and referencing the Taliban. I'm not a big fan of this strategy.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 13:45 (thirteen years ago) link
well, the song is allegedly about Dzhennet Abdurakhmanova so I'm not sure if "psuedo-political" is the right way to describe the song
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 13:53 (thirteen years ago) link
btw googling her brings up lovely pictures of her burnt severed head, so be careful
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 13:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Is it making an actual political point or merely signifying hardness by drawing parallels between female bombers and M.I.A.? To me, it's probably the latter, but I will admit a certain level of ignorance about the meaning behind most of her tracks.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 13:58 (thirteen years ago) link
The song isn't about her at all; she's portraying a character in it loosely based off of Abdurakhmanova
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 13:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Sadly, Lovalot is one of those songs which works fine if you know what it's about but seems shockingly inept if you don't. I'm not saying it needed to be called The Ballad of Dzhennet Abdurakhmanova but that belated knowledge totally transformed the track for me.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 14:03 (thirteen years ago) link
not gonna dispute that, especially since "Sunshowers" works almost exactly the same way
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 14:03 (thirteen years ago) link
It's funny to imagine that she would write a track that is somehow not about her. I mean, sure you could look at it as a character study, but it is M.I.A.'s personality that comes through the strongest. To me, she isn't trying to educate us about an interesting person, but rather using that person's story to bolster the image of M.I.A. as lyrical terrorist or whatever.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 14:07 (thirteen years ago) link
That ties into something I saw a lot in Maya reviews - the tendency to make assumptions based on an incredibly low opinion of MIA's intellect and motives and to present them as fact rather than float them as theories. Like "It's hard to believe this idiotic egotist could write a song that wasn't about being an idiotic egotist."
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 14:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I had no idea the track wasn't about her and unless I'm missing something the track itself offers no clues.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 14:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Did you ever read the lyrics to "$20", Moodles, specifically the first verse?
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 14:12 (thirteen years ago) link
That's the problem with it. I think if she'd thrown in one specific name, of a person or a place, to distance herself from the narrator it could be read as she (presumably) intended, as opposed to scattershot sloganeering.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 14:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I just think it is a safe assumption to think that when someone writes a song, no matter what the subject is, it is as much a reflection of themselves as it is of a larger subject matter. I don't see any reason to think this wouldn't be the case on this particular track.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 14:14 (thirteen years ago) link
In terms of MIA's self-awareness, it's worth nothing Hussel, where she allows Afrikan Boy to trump her own claims: "You think it's tough now? Come to Africa." I think she's well aware of the distance between her and genuine developing world hustlers, terrorists, etc.
Moodles, that assumption is bizarre - have you not heard of first-person character songs?
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 14:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Of course I have, but why would you assume that those songs are completely divorced from the person who wrote them?
― Moodles, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 14:17 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the lyrics on Kala are generally stronger than on Maya, but that's only a matter of degree. I don't really think any of her tracks have truly great lyrics. The tracks on Kala are more clearly situated outside of her own internal world, but even in those cases it would be odd to me to think they aren't an expression of her personality on some level.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 14:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Should say "Many of the tracks on Kala are more clearly situated..."
― Moodles, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Well they can't be completely divorced but it doesn't mean the artist identifies with the characters. In many cases (Holiday in Cambodia, Pet Shop Boys' Shopping), the singer hates the narrator. In many others (Steve Earle's John Walker's Blues) it's an attempt at empathy. Songwriters don't just pick characters they agree with.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 14:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Sure, but whether their position is pro or con, their songwriting and lyrics are a reflection of their personality to some extent.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link
tweeting me like tweetie bird on your iphone
^^^this is basically the exact lyric a nicki minaj hater would come up with in order to parody minaj's worst qualities
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link
That line is terrible but I still like that song a lot.
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link
In the case of M.I.A., I don't know how you can listen to a song like Lovealot and not hear her personality coming through at all.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 14:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I think "you want me to be somebody that I'm really not" is the overarching message of MIA's career, let alone this album
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 14:32 (thirteen years ago) link
But would you deny that she feeds into the misinterpretations of who she is?
― Moodles, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 14:34 (thirteen years ago) link
well seeing as that is what has made her famous... no?
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link
"you want me to be somebody that I'm really not"
...vs. Eminem's "I am whoever you say I am"?
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link
you really lovealot?
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link
but I fight
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 14:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Well done MIA. Or her press folks or whoever:
http://www.theeastsiderla.com/2010/08/music-promtion-covers-up-silver-lake-mural/
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 18:52 (thirteen years ago) link
okay the outrage over that is amazing
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean I am completely certain that not living there means I don't "get it" but the person complaining about the glue ruining the mural when like 3 seconds of looking at the picture makes the giant metal rod at the bottom really obvious is really cracking me up
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link
thing is, lovealot is not a voice piece. it is presented in MIA's standard persona & language, therefore must be read (at least in part) as a self-portrait. and i don't think it's really meant to be "about" dzhennet abdurakhmanova anyway, no matter what anyone's said about it.
like a taliban trucker eating boiled-up yuccai keep my eyes down like i'm in a black burkabeen through shit yeah it's a fuckernow i say shit like shaka laka laka
this is simply maya being herself, presenting herself as she always has, and only in passing associating herself with a teenage suicide bomber like she's "in a black burka." and this is the only lyric in the song that can even be stretched to reference DA. all maya's doing here is casually associating herself with the oppressed and/or dangerous in order to present a tough & exotic image. nothing wrong with this.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 19:05 (thirteen years ago) link
is boiled-up yucca like khat?
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
are we really debating MIA's singing through a 'character'? Um, like most artists, she probably uses project her persona into Dzhennet to make a point. This could be to a way to humanize her, and to view her from a different vantage point than most people are used to, or it could be to clarify and focus on certain elements in MIA's own artistic persona while still maintaining an artistic detachment. Likely, it's some of both.
― demons a. real (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i like this interpretation of the song, but it's hard to find any real support in the lyrics. "like a hand-me-down sucka throwing bombs out to mecca" is the only other line that might possibly connect. so you have, what? one taliban-approved black burka and one throwaway phrase about bombing mecca, and that = a song about DA? i don't buy it. rest of the lyrics concern: unicef workers, bob marley, the FBI, poultry processing, duking foes, making tunes, saying something cool, etc. seems more like she was half-inspired by the idea of DA while writing this, but didn't quite follow through on that inspiration. so the originating idea's almost (but not quite) there in the finished song.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link
I can totally buy that for M.I.A., the lyrics are from the perspective of DA. For me however, it comes across mostly like word salad with some vague allusions to suicide bombers and some other stuff thrown in to show that M.I.A. has a passing knowledge of current events.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link
am i wrong in assuming that the "a bomber has to love up dzhen" line is supposed to sound like "obama has to...", the same way lovalot sounds like love allah?
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, no reason to namedrop obama there, but neither is there any reason to say hu jintao.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
i had no idea (and don't really care) about the backstory but "lovalot" is my favorite song on the album mostly cause of the awesome awesome dancehall sample
― ballerrr (The Reverend), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 05:49 (thirteen years ago) link
the way that "Yamaha" sorta sounds like "you're my heart" in The-Dream song real drives home how shitty and lousy the "Lovealot" pun is
― I think I'm Princess Peach... King Koopa (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 05:54 (thirteen years ago) link
that is one gigantic stretch u are making
― ballerrr (The Reverend), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 06:01 (thirteen years ago) link
listen to the song, dude
― I think I'm Princess Peach... King Koopa (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 06:02 (thirteen years ago) link
if it was intentional or coincidence, it's still 800x better then MIA's 12th-grader punnery
― I think I'm Princess Peach... King Koopa (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 06:03 (thirteen years ago) link
comparison doesn't add or take anything to/from either song. no connection.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 06:29 (thirteen years ago) link
agree w/ whiney -- my roomate assumed it was 'youre my heart'
― blap...tremendo (deej), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 06:39 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry, don't hear that at all
― ballerrr (The Reverend), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 07:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i never heard "you're my heart" in "yamaha" either, but it makes total sense to me tbh
the thing with "love a lot"/"love allah" is that "i love a lot" is a phrase that barely makes sense, so i think it lends itself to being heard a different way, i.e. "i love allah", which actually makes sense
― righteous lecoq (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 08:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't think one pun is particularly better than the other, altho dream's fits better in the context of the song
― righteous lecoq (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 08:24 (thirteen years ago) link
not you're my ho? isn't that more his style?
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 09:25 (thirteen years ago) link
not at all, really
― ballerrr (The Reverend), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 09:29 (thirteen years ago) link
okay. heart is sweeter.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 09:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess MIA wasn’t satisfied with just burning her bridges with Switch and Diplo, she’s gotta burn them with Echo Park too, both hipster and regular EP folk alike.Ironic considering she’s such a champion of minorities rights.
Ah, the Echo Park Hipster, a tragically forgotten minority.
― shakiraghmac (onimo), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 12:46 (thirteen years ago) link
so in less than ten words, can someone sum up why M.I.A.'s newie is getting less critical love than Kala? I have it coming ground from UPS today, just curious to see if my initial reaction is similar....
― San Te, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 12:47 (thirteen years ago) link
she ate truffle fries; people have it in for her
― ballerrr (The Reverend), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 13:11 (thirteen years ago) link
backlash was gearing before then imo, neither "xxxo" nor "born free" really got a consensus-positive reception. real answer = she made an abrasive, "difficult" and uncatchy album.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 13:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Don't let the bad press fool you, it really is a shit album.
― Beach Pomade (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 13:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Rev, did you sleep last night!? You've been all over the place the last eight hours.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 13:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i would just like to say that i had a basket of truffle fries last night and they were awesome.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 14:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I slept this morning
― ballerrr (The Reverend), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I was trying to pull an all-nighter but gave up
― ballerrr (The Reverend), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link
WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE UPS PEOPLE WITH MY COPY OF THIS ALBUM
― San Te, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
apparently Brown can't do shit for me
Rich (misappropriated) thread.
Late to say, but:
__Strictly speaking, "Paper Planes" isn't a sample. It doesn't actually use "Straight to Hell," but imitates it. The melody is different.
__Totally with Tipsy and Contenderizer on "Straight to Hell." It's also about the economic and drug fallout of the war, the only off-note being the GI slang "Mama-san" and "Papa-san" put in the mouth of a Vietnamese kid, though that works too.
__Re: Brother Ali: Boredom comes from within.
__Re: her politics: It's tough to deny that the whole gestalt of M.I.A. is part of what makes her great, a sort of half-subliminal defiance of the rulers of the earth (and anyone who defends their way of thinking as only right and obvious) and the way that defiance registers musically like it does in real life, garbled and felt rather than spelled out. I love how the new music seems to evoke this process of realization, coming together with the sudden chaotic force of revelation.
Nobody will remember what she said in an interview 20 years from now, and anyone looking her up will probably decode the way O. Nate does "terrorism," a line of thinking familiar to more "Paper Planes" fans than we're crediting. Any high-school kid today grew up with the War on Terror, more immigrants at school, gangster rap as pop, and a lot of unfocused mistrust and rage. You don't need to know or care what M.I.A. thinks about Sri Lanka to "get" how she's connecting with all this. I think her political message is both fairly obvious and more Dada-abstract than the Clash, but still the kind of radical that will earn you an NYT takedown.
__Musically, the tradition she's working is spoken-punk in love with rap/dancehall/grime/favela/Baltimore club/whatever, not any of those things per se, so I think her amateurish appeal is somewhere in between--the melodies are very Beat Happening. That's also a clear contrast from somebody like K'Naan, an actual rapper with a longer lyric sheet to show for it, which means he has to explain himself a bit more, where M.I.A. can deal in suggestive punk shorthand. When she appears on something like a remix of Busy Signal's "Tic Toc," her drawn-out style just seems out of place. She's got tunes galore, but they're hinted at rather than sung, like so much punk. Comparing her to rappers misses what's good about her.
__K'Naan's right about Somalia, by the way.
__Nothing wrong with "you should pay attention to this rapper," Deej--the best kind of presence IMO!
__Thank-yous for the heads ups on Sleigh Bells, Wreckx-n-Effect, Gucci Mane, Spectral Display (nothing wrong with those lyrics), Skinny Puppy, more I forgot.
__Re: the Bjork comparison: So did she go down some funky R&B/rap vein I missed?
__U2 hate is like gravity around here, but I'd put "Cedars of Lebanon" on any M.I.A.-era epochal politics mix.
__Bill Cosby's mom as M.I.A. backlash: "I brought you into this world, I'll take you out."
__sizeism and "retarded" = okay on ILX, I guess?
__Disinterest /= uninterest.
__This is a great album. The sequencing is perfect. The sound is amazing. I found it irresistible on first listen, without having heard or read anything about it, without reading this thread or even knowing there was an NYT article. I've listened to it a couple dozen times and wake up with it playing in my head every day, which I can't say about the last two, even after going back to them. The weakest track is "It Iz What It Iz," and even that is an amazing piece of atmosphere, kind of a Big Audio Dynamite digression. Love how "XXXO" paraphrases the melody of "Lean on Me," the siren-voice end of "Teqkilla," the rage that builds before love. (The bonus tracks make a good EP, but would gum this up.)
__Love the Letterman appearance--very Muppets! Kind of wish she had let her kid play the smashing-notes part on the lower end of the keyboard.
Peace, all.
― Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
it came, and soon I might as well
j/k but this is good "so far" from what I can tell
― San Te, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Great post Pete.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
― ballerrr (The Reverend), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Pete's post = /\/\ \/ P
― Y /\/\ /\/\ \/ (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 23:26 (thirteen years ago) link
__Re: her politics: It's tough to deny that the whole gestalt of M.I.A. is part of what makes her great, a sort of half-subliminal defiance of the rulers of the earth (and anyone who defends their way of thinking as only right and obvious) and the way that defiance registers musically like it does in real life, garbled and felt rather than spelled out. I love how the new music seems to evoke this process of realization, coming together with the sudden chaotic force of revelation.Nobody will remember what she said in an interview 20 years from now, and anyone looking her up will probably decode the way O. Nate does "terrorism," a line of thinking familiar to more "Paper Planes" fans than we're crediting. Any high-school kid today grew up with the War on Terror, more immigrants at school, gangster rap as pop, and a lot of unfocused mistrust and rage. You don't need to know or care what M.I.A. thinks about Sri Lanka to "get" how she's connecting with all this. I think her political message is both fairly obvious and more Dada-abstract than the Clash, but still the kind of radical that will earn you an NYT takedown.
seems kind of dumm. mia isn't (or shouldn't be) stupid, so i guess her 'being an idiot' shtick is deliberate? which is maybe even more stupid. the bit about defiance being felt and not spelt out, and the sudden chaotic force of realization is some pretty writing but still, i think, complete bullshit. im not sure who is ventriloquizing for whom there. kind of don't think that there is a chaotic force of revelation felt by people who are actually being fucked over by the rulers of the world. imagine they perceive their lot right quick.
if the concept is that the world is chaotic and horrible and mia just reflects that by making really bad records, then, again, dismissive wanking gesture really.
― unchill english bro (history mayne), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 23:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i just reread that big long argument i had w/ miccio & j0rdan & whoever else upthread. i gotta say i think its weird that its such a marginalized position to be straight up like "i dont think MIA is doing anything interesting at all really." its like, why is it enforced that she must be taken seriously at all levels? imo shes really not that significant of an artist in the grand scheme of things -- although it seems like she will become that way by sheer force of critical will
― blap...tremendo (deej), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 23:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Pete's post = T |_ ; |) R
― torch song trill o.g. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 5 August 2010 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah why don't those critics review hair metal anyway? that's what the people really want, they keep forcing stuff on us. bring back ratt I say
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 5 August 2010 01:15 (thirteen years ago) link
i have no interest in rehashing this argument, but that's not at all what i was saying, or even what i was talking about
― righteous lecoq (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 5 August 2010 01:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i wasnt saying u were arguing it fwiw, but i think it was the overall effect
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link
not sure what hair metal has to do w/ this.
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link
why'd you namecheck us if we didn't actually make the argument you're complaining about
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link
its the subtext behind the pile-on nature of the arguments itt. why was it such a big deal that i feel like shes not doing that much shit?
― call all destroyer, Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:24 AM (2 months ago) Bookmark
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link
im not saying i agree w/ all that (obv not, hes disagreeing w me, in part) but this seems like a much more reasoned style of debate instead of the weird circles u guys ran in trying to prove i was a hypocrit for liking rap & disliking MIA
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:27 (thirteen years ago) link
still sore?
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean srsly did you come back to the thread to complain Jordan and I were "unreasonable" when we laughed about the irony in your "paper planes" dismisal a few months ago?
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:30 (thirteen years ago) link
"blap tremendo" is esperanto for "i'm still sore" iirc
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:31 (thirteen years ago) link
also if you want me to feel bad about mocking your "ugh all paper planes is is a stolen hook a chant and a dance beat" plz don't tie my crime into some weird persecution complex about how people won't let you not care about MIA
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:32 (thirteen years ago) link
― da croupier, Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:30 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah, bcuz its indicative of a larger thing ... i can talk about a rapper & get 'i dont get why this matters at all' from 90% of ilm but everyone has to have an opinion on MIA ... the same phenomenon that gets dudes like contenderizer writing essays about big boi records & no other rap music
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:33 (thirteen years ago) link
are you 12 years old or what
― righteous lecoq (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:33 (thirteen years ago) link
wait people pay more attention to stuff that sells & is popular? fuck I think we have a scoop here guys
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:33 (thirteen years ago) link
what is going on here
btw not to blow up your spot man but I read "I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX"
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:34 (thirteen years ago) link
― da croupier, Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:32 PM (22 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
im talking about critics in general. why does every critic have to have an opinion about it, to take her shit seriously? I mean, i venture to have an opinion that is "pretty worthless, next" & im craaazy, dont u know she has pop hits??? but most of ilx is perfectly happy having zero opinion about plenty of the artists that i think are significant & matter.
& no this isnt about me & i dont actually want contenderizer writing essays about husalah, im trying to point out a lack of critical perspective
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:34 (thirteen years ago) link
uh huh
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:35 (thirteen years ago) link
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:33 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
wait .... youre giving the populist defense of ... MIA??
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't know why people think this "Arcade Fire" band that is playing Madison Square Garden tonight "matters" and won't engage with me about this Clyde Carson MP3
― torch song trill o.g. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:35 (thirteen years ago) link
but most of ilx is perfectly happy having zero opinion about plenty of the artists that i think are significant & matter.
this reminds me I posted about cattle decapitation last year & you didn't even say whether you thought they ruled or sucked
still pissed tbh
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:36 (thirteen years ago) link
deej needs an anarchy button with husalah's face super imposed under the A
― righteous lecoq (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:37 (thirteen years ago) link
― da croupier, Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:35 PM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
***meditates on teh serious art of MIA***
i think this ties in w/ the debate on tumblr (im sure u read) when tom ewing warned teenpop bros to avoid reading the best coast review ... hes kinda ... right?? that its weird how the same qualities in an artist willing to smoke weed w/ freddie gibbs are unacceptable coming from ... i dunno, whatever shit those teenpop bros listen to
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:37 (thirteen years ago) link
― righteous lecoq (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:37 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
glad the zings have finally caught up to what i currently listen to
are you actually making these arguments
― righteous lecoq (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:39 (thirteen years ago) link
deej, you need to stop feeling sorry for yourself
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:39 (thirteen years ago) link
deej does not actually give a shit about this argument
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:39 (thirteen years ago) link
this thread has turned into a revision of austin powers where he gets unfrozen from the cryogenic chamber, takes a 3 minute piss, then comes to ilx to post about how about how people pay too much attention to popular artists
― righteous lecoq (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:40 (thirteen years ago) link
I wish all this had taken place on the Arcade Fire thread -- woulda shaken it awake.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:41 (thirteen years ago) link
― righteous lecoq (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:40 PM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark
wait ... mia is popular? how popular are we talking here. sean kingston popular?
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:41 (thirteen years ago) link
deej is turning into the rap equivalent of those high school juniors who are convinced there's no music more "smart and valid" than Frank Zappa
― torch song trill o.g. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:42 (thirteen years ago) link
"turning into"?
― righteous lecoq (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:42 (thirteen years ago) link
but they're only popular because the critics make them popular which is the hidden hair metal connection! if you guys only spent more time on the yahoo Winger group you'd know that Pearl Jam & Nirvana drove real music off the charts & this was totally because critics were only writing about what they cared about and trying to make it popular! but now real music is coming back, etc
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:42 (thirteen years ago) link
damn critics manipulating the stock market of popular taste...one day your reign of terror will end, corpus criticalis
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:43 (thirteen years ago) link
honestly, deej, if you think this isn't some weird persecution complex and actually a big realization about the false assumptions and the hollow towers critics erect from them, you need to workshop that shit out because its coming off like some self-pitying "I've been thinking about what you guys said two months ago and you know what that's BULLSHIT" meltdown.
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:45 (thirteen years ago) link
"that's right, I said MIA SUCKS! Who wants a piece of me?"
― torch song trill o.g. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:42 PM (42 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
thats exactly the opposite of what im doing
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:45 (thirteen years ago) link
guys, you all need to stop this crazy beef with deej
― torch song trill o.g. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:46 (thirteen years ago) link
fwiw I haven't listened to this album yet because the singles i've heard blow
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:47 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fm8A4gphmQ&feature=related
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:47 (thirteen years ago) link
― da croupier, Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:45 PM (54 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i said this isnt about me?? i drew the teenpop comparison to make it clear its about a larger point? i mentioned i dont actually want contenderizer writing abt my fav artists? im not saying whatever rapper should be at the center, just that i think its weird how everyone rallies around artists 'worthy' of appreciation like this when imo its kind of an emperor's clothes situation.
u can read any tone u want into this miccio, so long as it helps your argument seem stronger than it is
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:47 (thirteen years ago) link
remind me what my "argument" was again
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link
my point in bringing it up here was that heres a perfect example of maintaining the status quo by getting all bullying whenever someone dares to suggest that maybe this artist is getting a bit overanalyzed itt.
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:49 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.twocanoespress.com/images/Unraveling%20Thread%20Jacket%20Front.jpg
― markers, Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:49 (thirteen years ago) link
― da croupier, Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:48 PM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
iirc that 'deej is a hypocrit for saying this stuff sucks for lazy one track jacks but liking a genre like hip hop!!'
ok this isn't about you feeling persecuted it's about how us bullying you is a perfect example of maintaining the status quo gotcha
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:50 (thirteen years ago) link
um deej, take it from someone who keeps trying to reclaim it despite knowing better: the "emperor is naked" argument has the largest inverse relationship of "useful" to "annoying" of practically any other strategy you could take
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:50 (thirteen years ago) link
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:50 PM (19 seconds ago) Bookmark
shouldnt u be posting my argument in a ma$e thread or something
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link
also, telling people that someone they find interesting isn't really that interesting and they would only realize this if you patronizingly tell them over and over and over again doesn't work either (tried that one, too)
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link
how come when the emperor is naked nobody ever comments on the size of his package
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Hmm. When I see another Lady Gaga cover story or a column about the depth of Inception, I just close the computer or keep walking into the convenience store to buy the pack of almonds I came for.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link
you don't visit the gay thread enuff
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I lol'd
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link
see its funny, i thought i presented some fairly well-argued criticisms of her music & wasnt all about HEY SHEEPLE THE MIA WEARS NO CLOTHES (tbh that would probably get a lot more attention) until we ended up in a rabbit hole w/ lazy sniping from miccio & standard ilx bullying tactics that trolled instead of engaging w/ the actual arguments i made
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:53 (thirteen years ago) link
speaking of standard ilx bullying tactics somebody better call the wahhhmbulance
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:53 (thirteen years ago) link
deej also a terrible conspiracy you might want to know about is that liberal hollywood has conspired to make people think they enjoy movies with sex and violence, just by always giving lots of coverage to such filth - I am calling them out on this though, soon everyone will be back to wholesome comedies like won ton ton, the dog who saved hollywood
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:54 (thirteen years ago) link
wait wait wait -- j0hn is lecturing me on conspiracies??
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:55 (thirteen years ago) link
we should go back to overanalyzing awesome music like Drake
― torch song trill o.g. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:55 (thirteen years ago) link
deej i guess i feel you in one sense--i do find myself obligated to have an opinion about mia because other ppl do even tho i don't like her--kind of a circular thing ::shrug::
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link
lol what conspiracies do I believe in mr off-the-rails? none afaik except for this critics-conspire-to-big-up-MIA-to-drive-the-real-music-off-the-radar one, that one seems just obvious
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:57 (thirteen years ago) link
― torch song trill o.g. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:55 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
haa. this is a perfect example of the same phenomena outside of ilx
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:58 (thirteen years ago) link
never claimed critics 'conspire' more 'have lame taste'
ok now i'm bummed cuz i'm remembering pulling some "you people!" shit (though less self-pitying, christ) about Kish Kash and jesus that was like seven years ago
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:59 (thirteen years ago) link
theres no self pitying here idg where youre finding that
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 03:01 (thirteen years ago) link
i liked kish kash iirc
sorry i thought you said you feel bullied
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 03:01 (thirteen years ago) link
kinda felt this way about dizzee rascal though
this is why ppl are comparing u to zappa-heads btw
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 5 August 2010 03:01 (thirteen years ago) link
i 'feel' like im arguing on the internet, u are on some generic bullying shit, thus the trolling about my mindstate
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 03:02 (thirteen years ago) link
um ok i just never met anyone who kept complaining about bullying after bringing up arguments he had TWO MONTHS AGO and wasn't feeling just a liiiittle persecuted
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean if I hop on a Zodiac thread or wtfever and say "I was looking at my argument with Slocki and christ why do people think this is the best movie ever?" feel free to lol
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link
no one is bullying you - you insist on being really strident about your opinion on this thread & then complain when instead of saying "deej I disagree" people say "lol @ you for being wrong"
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 5 August 2010 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link
― da croupier, Wednesday, August 4, 2010 10:03 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
its ilx & i just reread the thread, not a real world convo bro!! these arguments are stillll allliiive
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xos2MnVxe-c
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 5 August 2010 03:09 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah so no one cares but:
My interest in M.I.A. is driven by the fact that I like her music. I really couldn't care less about the critical furore around her. I'm only tangentially interested in her interviews; the last time I was deeply invested in following an artist's persona/personal life/work process/etc, I was in high school but I do like digging up where she gets inspiration for her material because usually there are allusions to some global situation I'm unaware of.
A lot of her negative critics argue from the standpoint that she is an infallible narrator and get angry when it's proven that she isn't. I don't get that; look at her whole story, where she came from and who she runs with. Her life, similarly to the lives of most people, is a ball of contradictory opinions and facts. I don't take her as an authority on anything other than being herself; what I do take her for is someone who works with others to make music I really dig who talks about things I'm interested in looking up for myself. That's why I'm interested in her.
I wager people are interested in writing about her because she came into prominence post 9/11 making dancefloor anthems that referenced violence and terrorism; the ongoing state of unease the country has been in since then lends itself pretty well to using her as a critical focal point.
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Thursday, 5 August 2010 03:09 (thirteen years ago) link
ok, I'm going to Superman Returns this thread and pretend a huge chunk of the last hour's conversation didn't happen so I can uh finally discuss what I think of the album.
soooo I'm new to M.I.A. land, but Kala struck me pretty instantly, especially the ethnic percussive sounds. On first two listens, Maya is sounding enjoyable to my ears too. Contrary to Kala though i'm having a harder time determining and explaining why.
like it seems to me like she threw a lot of elements in a blender and it all comes down to whether you like how the different ingredients work with each other. it isn't one of those 'you just don't get it' things.
I really really love "Steppin Up"...
― San Te, Thursday, 5 August 2010 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link
good post xp
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I think "Superman Return"ing a thread would involve turning a familiar tale into creepy slash
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link
haha while we're dredging up old arguments
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Thursday, 5 August 2010 03:11 (thirteen years ago) link
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
hold up guys I'm reanimating my grandfather so I can tell him that in 1992 he got the year wrong that Meet the Beatles came out....
― San Te, Thursday, 5 August 2010 03:14 (thirteen years ago) link
be sure you don't mistakenly release an elevator with a hydrogen bomb attached -- don't wanna release those damn villains.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 August 2010 03:15 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm gonna run around my laptop really fast and see I can't get this thread to go back an hour
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 03:15 (thirteen years ago) link
I really runalot
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 August 2010 03:16 (thirteen years ago) link
da croupier, just a warning about your little time travel plot, I better not open my eyes and find myself in 1993 ,on some shitty BBS playing Legend of the Red Dragon
― San Te, Thursday, 5 August 2010 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link
deej is just superpissed bcz he had had the idea to sample "Straight to Hell" and MIA got to it & turned into such a ubiquitous song that there's no way he could ever get away with doing it now...
― demons a. real (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 5 August 2010 05:08 (thirteen years ago) link
secret origin of butthurt deej
― demons a. real (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 5 August 2010 05:15 (thirteen years ago) link
the bit about defiance being felt and not spelt out, and the sudden chaotic force of realization is some pretty writing but still, i think, complete bullshit. im not sure who is ventriloquizing for whom there. kind of don't think that there is a chaotic force of revelation felt by people who are actually being fucked over by the rulers of the world. imagine they perceive their lot right quick.
So you're saying a raised consciousness is as Western/Northern as pimping your authenticity as style?
― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 5 August 2010 05:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I think radicalization is a lifelong process, with many realizations along the way (sometimes the same ones over and over, because we forget), and it cuts across the world. Sure, it's relative to power and privilege ("Amazing Grace" versus Nat Turner), but nobody's born free, whatever M.I.A. and Andy Williams have to say about it.
As for sputtering--what was it Jordan said? "90% of verbalized thoughts about politics in any form are sadly shit." I obviously don't agree about M.I.A.'s lyrics and album: To my ears, she's really going for this harmony-out-of-chaos, "Oh, now I see" Magic Eye thing in words/music like someone stepping back and seeing things for the first time.
― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 5 August 2010 05:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Re: The above. Do you honestly think MIA is in the process of becoming "radicalized" and this is expressed in her music? That's an interesting take I hadn't thought of before.
― MFB, Thursday, 5 August 2010 06:08 (thirteen years ago) link
yah its 'straight to hell' of sandanista
papa papa papa san
― deej, Thursday, December 4, 2008 3:42 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― torch song trill o.g. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 5 August 2010 12:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Do you honestly think MIA is in the process of becoming "radicalized" and this is expressed in her music?
Hadn't really occurred to me--I was more thinking the music evokes this process, whether or not the inspiration is recent, autobiographical, or even entirely intentional or conscious.
― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 5 August 2010 13:02 (thirteen years ago) link
(after reading some of my posts on the 2008 Grammys thread, I kinda wish I hadn't linked to it...)
― demons a. real (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:15 (thirteen years ago) link
dan's post upthread aways is very otm in its otmness.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess i get this, but i'm uncomfortable w/the idea of assessing music in too much of a vacuum - even a cursory knowledge of m.i.a.'s career to date would reveal that she's used signifiers of political radicalism from the get-go, so the idea that this album is the starting point for her radicalisation doesn't really ring true.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Well good thing I never expressed that idea.
― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 5 August 2010 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Or either of those ideas, I should say.
― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 5 August 2010 15:11 (thirteen years ago) link
even a cursory knowledge of m.i.a.'s career to date would reveal that she's used signifiers of political radicalism club a dub dubba lubba wubba wub from the get-go
― torch song trill o.g. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 5 August 2010 15:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha, is that you liking the album better?
― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 5 August 2010 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
he same phenomenon that gets dudes like contenderizer writing essays about big boi records & no other rap music
― blap...tremendo (deej)
i dunno what your problem is, deej, but fuck you. i'm allowed to like the shit i like. i'm even allowed to be interested in stuff that happens to be popular. i don't have to pass your fucking rap test to be an outkast fan, okay? you come and write an "essay" in rolling punk about some garage band i dig, i'm not gonna shit in your eye for having improper credentials. know why not? cuz i'm not an asshole.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 August 2010 15:58 (thirteen years ago) link
is your eye infected
― righteous lecoq (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 5 August 2010 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
xxposts:
scattered political signifiers have always been there, and so have scattered clubba wubba wubba dubs and tweetin-like-tweetys. this is the same person who had a song called URAQT on her first album. i guess it's always all struck me as her own sort of pidgin-pop mediaspeak, which suits the music and her delivery. (and i think pete's description of her vocal approach is right on.)
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 5 August 2010 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link
these type of artists always tend to lead to such divisions and shitflinging (unnecessarily). I'm surprised it hasn't happened with more Gaga threads here
― San Te, Thursday, 5 August 2010 16:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Quite relieved to see that it's not just me deej is being a prick about irt MIA. "Why must you all talk about this artist you find interesting to talk about?" I don't know, it's a mystery.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 5 August 2010 16:08 (thirteen years ago) link
after listening to Maya, all I wanted to do was talk about it to see what other people were drawing out of it and compare it to mine.
then I came here, tried to search upthread for some of said commentary, and it's def. there, but because it had so much BS sprinkled within it, I gave up....
― San Te, Thursday, 5 August 2010 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Don't give up! Post your thoughts; deej will invariably come back to say something profoundly stupid and insulting because that is all that he does these days but most everyone else will actually have a conversation with you.
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Thursday, 5 August 2010 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Thinking about what Lex said...
There might be a basic difference between me and a lot of ILXors I respect in that I think taking artists in interviews too seriously is just another version of letting them review their own work. For me, the person making the art and the person talking about it later might as well be different people--close friends, sure, but not the same person. People don't always know what they're making. And I notice it's often detractors who keep turning to interviews for evidence that art is bad--I'm thinking of various film threads. I don't know if I'm a completely author-is-dead guy (Nabisco edumacating me)--I love interviewing artists and reviewing biographically--but the relationship between art and maker is too mysterious for intention to trump all, or even always be part of the equation.
― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 5 August 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I probably will later -- I spun it again earlier but I was distracted so it wasn't a worthwhile listen. still enjoying it immensely though even if it isn't as immediately ear catching as Kala.
― San Te, Thursday, 5 August 2010 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Good point. I think some artists have an intellect which keeps pace with, or is ahead of, their art so if you're interviewing, say, Neil Tennant you'll get a full insight into why PSBs records are how they are. Whereas MIA seems like someone who makes records quite instinctively and then struggles to justify, or even explain, what she's just done. It's not fair to assess both kinds of artists in the same way.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 5 August 2010 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link
A lot of her negative critics argue from the standpoint that she is an infallible narrator and get angry when it's proven that she isn't.
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Wednesday, August 4, 2010 8:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
yeah, this. also, it seems to me that a lot of negative criticism directed towards her is predicated on the idea that she is ostensibly significant and that this significance is predicated on something demonstrably false, or at least misguided. the falsity is usually attributed either to maya herself (usually to her politics & identity, the authenticity of) or to the other critics that supposedly fail to see her for what she truly is. in either case, she attracts a particularly intense, mask-ripping sort of criticism that sometimes resembles criminal prosecution - the lynn hirschberg piece being only the most celebrated example. she's defined herself politically, and politicized identities tend to generate vehement responses so it's understandable, but it's also a bit disturbing, given that political risk-taking is relatively rare in contemporary pop.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 August 2010 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
deej otm itt
she's defined herself politically
really, go on
what are mia's politics?
― unchill english bro (history mayne), Thursday, 5 August 2010 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link
she's defined herself politically, and politicized identities tend to generate vehement responses so it's understandable, but it's also a bit disturbing, given that political risk-taking is relatively rare in contemporary pop.
not going to go that far; there are plenty of examples in mainstream pop of people going off on culturally political tangents from the Dixie Chicks' anti-Bush stances to Toby Keith's angry Democrat steez to Miley Cyrus being all "GOD LOVES GAY MARRIAGE" to Beyonce's girl power anthems etc etc etc
M.I.A.'s big crime is talking about stuff a lot of people don't ever encounter or really pay attention to and using that as the foundation for contradictory self-aggrandizing sound collages that sometimes work and sometimes fail
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Thursday, 5 August 2010 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link
it's also a bit disturbing, given that political risk-taking is relatively rare in contemporary pop
are you saying...m.i.a.'s detractors are trying to silence political risk-taking in pop? not at all! i could give you several examples of artists politicising themselves in inspiring, cogent and specific ways from this year alone. m.i.a. is not among them. i think what most people are arguing is that she hasn't politicised herself ENOUGH beyond the surface signifiers...it's just ~handwaves~ ~radical~. i don't want to rehash this argument though.
moving on to artistic intention, i totally agree that the artist isn't usually the best person to "explain" their work - "but they obviously didn't mean any of that" is my LEAST favourite response to theorising about music. i think the last time i encountered it a lot was w/r/t ashlee simpson. but an artist's experiences and explanations are part of their art's context. to say that you can't ignore the context isn't the same as upholding authorial authority. obviously this differs from artist to artist, and to an extent you can pick and choose what you take seriously, but sometimes the context has such an obvious impact on the art that it shouldn't be ignored - eg re: rihanna's last album, when chuck complained about everyone bringing the chris brown incident into their readings of it, but...i think that bit of context was absolutely integral to the album, unignorable. cf the comments in this jukebox thread - http://www.thesinglesjukebox.com/?p=1910
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 5 August 2010 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
haha dan did you read this (pertinent) björk interview? http://grapevine.is/Features/ReadArticle/Bjork-Feature
^^THAT is how you talk about political stuff a lot of people don't encounter in a cogent and passionate way
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 5 August 2010 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
to be defined politically =/= making a particular political argument. but to the extent that she has a clear political agenda, i'd say she attempts to establish solidarity among/with the supposedly despised and dispossessed. i.e., she creates a pop, therefore relatable, persona built up from identities that are typically defined as "outside" or even opposed to the western cultural self. this is an act (in both senses of the word) with political dimensions and consequences, regardless of how/if she presents her own political views.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 August 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
my "talking about" was supposed to be "taking"
I don't dispute that M.I.A. often has a thinner-than-CliffNotes perspective on things; my point is that I don't care. It's great that Bjork is knowledgeable and speaking out on an issue she finds important; that is not a requirement for me to enjoy her albums.
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Thursday, 5 August 2010 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
she creates a pop, therefore relatable, persona built up from identities that are typically defined as "outside" or even opposed to the western cultural self
loool "therefore"?
ne way idc abt 'what it all means' cuz MIA music is so shitty
but still: lool
― ☼ (Lamp), Thursday, 5 August 2010 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^^^ post would have had some level of content if it was merely "."
― San Te, Thursday, 5 August 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
that's fair. maybe i give to little credit to the depth & breadth of the political conversation going on in contemporary pop. i'd never argue that political speech is entirely absent. but it does tend to come as a detail on the side of most pop artists' identities. and dixie chicks are a good example of the risks involved in courting real controversy.
with the above in mind, the degree of maya's alignment of her own identity with a potentially controversial view of global politics still seems unusual to me. bono has done something somewhat similar, of course, but in a way that seems calculated to avoid (rather than court) controversy in the West.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 August 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
MIA music is so shittybut still: lool― ☼ (Lamp), Thursday, August 5, 2010 5:48 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
― ☼ (Lamp), Thursday, August 5, 2010 5:48 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
blazing post
― unchill english bro (history mayne), Thursday, 5 August 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
seriously I am going to start banning you content-free dickfaces from this thread
if you're just posting so you can make fun of other posters or shut down conversation, gtfo and feel lucky I don't just temp ban you from the board since this is basically what you do on 80% of the threads I see you on
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Thursday, 5 August 2010 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, "therefore". i'd say that pop personas are successful in large part only to the extent that they're somehow relatable. therefore, they are in some sense "meant to be" relatable. maya's creating a pop identity (a self that invites identification of some sort) that encourages identification with often despised, excluded, exoticized selves. i see that as political in and of itself.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 August 2010 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link
yea i mean i ain't one of those confrontational ILX headhunters but Lamp's contributions to debate lately have seemed to be lil more than the equivalent of 'lol u stupid'
― San Te, Thursday, 5 August 2010 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
enh read better threads
i'd say that pop personas are successful in large part only to the extent that they're somehow relatable
i feel like the opposite is the case - the more distancing and opaque a 'pop persona' is the more successful it becomes? lady gaga for e.g. isnt partic 'relatable'? i dont think theres the same need for closeness/identification w/ pop stars there is for like movie stars (lol 'king' of pop) bcuz the relationship btw author and audience is so different.
also i dont see how hipster art student is 'opposed to the western cultural self' - feel like her 'politics' are so transparently the politics of stlye/self - this is totally western... ugh nvm ill take the thread ban.
― ☼ (Lamp), Thursday, 5 August 2010 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
maya's creating a pop identity (a self that invites identification of some sort) that encourages identification with often despised, excluded, exoticized selves. i see that as political in and of itself.― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, August 5, 2010 5:57 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, August 5, 2010 5:57 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark
you set a pretty low bar. i think there is quite a bit of exoticization of mia herself w/ all this 'maybe she doesn't know what she's saying' ish. but i dunno, all of what you say is pretty much 'up to you really'. 'pop personas are successful in large part only to the extent that they're somehow relatable.' k, each to their own.
dunno what to make of dan's intervention there. maybe if i'd studied cultural studies i could bring whatever it is conderizer brings to the mia table.
― unchill english bro (history mayne), Thursday, 5 August 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
― ☼ (Lamp), Thursday, August 5, 2010 12:27 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad280/sapphirah444/christ-on-the-cross.jpg
― San Te, Thursday, 5 August 2010 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link
The intent of my "intervention" was to make you guys stop being lazy and write, for example, the last posts you and Lamp (aside from the martyrdom nonsense) made.
I don't think contenderizer is correct in what he's saying, mostly because the stuff he's privileging isn't anything I particularly care about, plus I think there's almost willful ignoring of similar confused political garbling in a myriad of other musicians' work (hi dere Rihanna and Eminem). If the music doesn't grab you, the correctness of M.I.A. as a political pop star is irrelevant. If the music DOES grab you, the correctness of M.I.A. as a political pop star is irrelevant because oh hey, awesome music.
I do agree that there's a certain amount of thinness on this album that makes it hard to talk about specifics within some of the songs, which is another reason why the middle stretch is my least favorite.
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Thursday, 5 August 2010 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i think there is quite a bit of exoticization of mia herself w/ all this 'maybe she doesn't know what she's saying' ish.
What exoticisation? That's a weird assumption on your part.Nobody's saying she's a noble savage, just that maybe she doesn't think through every lyric before recording it.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 5 August 2010 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
lady gaga for e.g. isnt partic 'relatable'? i dont think theres the same need for closeness/identification w/ pop stars there is for like movie stars...
also i dont see how hipster art student is 'opposed to the western cultural self'
gaga is something of an outlier, but the obvious points of identification are queered-ness (as broadly as that can be read) and safely radical artiness. self = tough, weird, smart, arty, draggy, sexy. plus (perhaps) some skin borrowed from already-relatable pop personas like madonna's.
and i don't think maya presents herself, within the context of her art, as a "hipster art student." more as third-worlder, immigrant, outsider, "terrorist", hustler.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 August 2010 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
to be honest, without consulting the lyric book, I'm unable to discern a lot of the lyrical content on her albums. this one's a little bit easier due to the presence of more vocal melodies, plus a book with all lyrics included, but I kinda decided a few years ago that while I appreciate it when a musician attempts to tackle politics, they're not the first source I'm going to go to for that...
― San Te, Thursday, 5 August 2010 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link
um in the context of her art, M.I.A. absolutely is a hipster art student like 90% of the time
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Thursday, 5 August 2010 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link
but i dunno, all of what you say is pretty much 'up to you really'. 'pop personas are successful in large part only to the extent that they're somehow relatable.' k, each to their own.
― unchill english bro (history mayne), Thursday, August 5, 2010 10:30 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark
you can refute my argument about what pop personas offer to those who enjoy/consume them if you want. i mean, if an artist's persona were entirely alienating, i doubt that he/she would attract many fans. and most people seem to gravitate to artists with whom they share something or in whom they perceive something they want: a point of view, an attitude, an aspiration, a culture, whatever. and on the vast scale that pop stars operate, personal identification becomes crucial. it seems to me that eminem's popularity had at least as much to do with the fact that millions of kids/teens identified with him as with his skills, hooks, etc. and i don't think he's at all unique in that.
and i haven't studied shit. i'm a high-school dropout. currently in community college (night school).
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 August 2010 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
M.I.A. absolutely is a hipster art student like 90% of the time
really? i can't think of a single song where she directly invites that association.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 August 2010 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link
XR2?
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i think you're saying that you read her as such, which isn't what i'm talking about
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 August 2010 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
XR2, Hombre, URAQT, Bingo, Bamboo Banger, Bird Flu, The Turn, Come Around, Big Branch, Stepping Up, XXXO, Teqkilla, It Takes A Muscle, It Iz What It Iz, Meds and Feds, Tell Me Why...
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Thursday, 5 August 2010 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link
in XR2 she's talking about a particular scene/point in time, and her presence in it isn't really described outside general signifiers like clothes & chemicals. and clubbing in 92 hardly belongs exclusively to hipsters & arts students (REM drop notwithstanding). and the song is hardly representative of her concerns overall.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 August 2010 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link
dude, find me one thing in all that where "art student" or "hipster" are spelled out clearly. in bamboo banger, most of the points of association are non-western. in bird flu, she's even more direct about that. "i can go on my own making bombs with rubber bands ... they wanna check my papers see what i carry round" that doesn't = hipster art student life situation. none of the rest you mention establish that kind of character either. i'd say that songs like URAQT, XXXO, teqkilla, it takes a muscle & cet merely expand on the character she's otherwise created: immigrant, outsider, "terrorist", from trouble with trouble, and so on.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 August 2010 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I just think that "hipster art student" is a really subjective category.
― MFB, Thursday, 5 August 2010 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
have YOU not seen the keffiyeh craze
dressing up in outsider gear has been a scene trope since forever; look at greasers/punks/hipsters/metalheads/juggalos/ravers/insert yr favorite subcultural youth movement here
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Thursday, 5 August 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
how "we" perceive Maya vs. how she wishes to be perceived FITE
― Quo riff just isn't a suitable vehicle for interplanetary exploration (Ioannis), Thursday, 5 August 2010 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, the (thankfully fading) popularity of keffiyehs doesn't make all of maya's identity fragments automatically = hipster art student. she presents herself as the daughter of a tamil tiger, a ghetto kid and a terrorist. she associates herself with immigrants, those living in the shadow of the west, aspirational hustlers, suicide bombers, freedom fighters, etc. to the extent that she also reads as "hipster art student", it fits with the political aspect of her image making that i was talking about earlier. there's no line drawn between the HAS and all these other identities.
i'd argue that there are political dimensions to other forms of association with supposed outsiders, but that even in that context, what maya's doing is both unique and potent.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 August 2010 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link
there's no line drawn between the HAS and all these other identities.
well yeah. and i don't think it's exactly damning to place her within the hipster-art-student lineage. see also: john lennon, lou reed, chuck d, etc.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 5 August 2010 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
nothing at all wrong with hipster art students. if it weren't for them, we wouldn't have a great deal of the music and other art i love best. but if the designation is used to rebut the idea that an artist has a more complex or politically significant identity (and this is exactly what lamp was doing), then it becomes a form of diminution. i mean, i haven't often seen john lennon, lou reed or chuck d praised as hipster art students. the designation is almost always pejorative, condescending, dismissive.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 August 2010 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I somehow doubt those dudes were hipsters. Anyway, what sort of (and only sort of) sets MIA apart is that she went to art school to Go to Art School. A lot of those older dudes up through the punk years went to art school 'cause they couldn't get in anywhere else, right? Certainly true in the UK, wasn't it? That's how I always read the tradition of bands emerging from art school: the losers left to their own devices while the best and brightest went off to the fancy places.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 August 2010 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link
you doubt that lou reed was a hipster?
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 August 2010 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Was he, pre-VU? I don't know his bio well enough, but wasn't he sort of an outcast with no friends subject to electric shock treatment, etc? What were Lou Reed: The College Years like?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 August 2010 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
dude had a hot girlfriend, played in bands, rolled with Delmore Schwartz and had poetry book named after some Ornette Coleman song, I think we can call him a hipster
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
certainly not a square
also had a late night jazz show called "excursions on a wobbly rail"
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that art school is a fundamentally different experience today than it was 30+ years ago, isn't it? Now it's more of a means to an end than an end for people with no means. Like, way back when, people fell into advertising. Now they major in advertising.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 August 2010 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
People that went to art school back in the day became the template for what we consider hipsters today. And today hipsters are the people we commonly think of as the person who goes to art school.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 August 2010 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link
pls 2 rename thread to Debating Hipster Criteria
― San Te, Thursday, 5 August 2010 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link
I think that's implicit by calling the thread M.I.A. ?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 August 2010 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't even know why we're creating this false dichotomy
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
lol. back to the album, I find that with Kala, that album was obvious to me at first, whereas with Maya, I'm having to use the same principles I did when listening to Mr. Bungle's Disco Volante (albeit to a lesser degree). sort of breaking the songs apart element by element, then deciding how I feel about them all being mushed up.
I think I like Kala better (well, pretty much know I do), but I think when the experiments work on Maya, they work real well. The problem with her gumbo approach is that it is likely to lead to stretches for each listener that aren't engaging, where all you can do is sit and wait for the interesting part to turn back up.
that said though I think the Pitchfork review was smug and told me very little about the album, so I'm glad I bought this before I read it.
― San Te, Thursday, 5 August 2010 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I agree almost entirely with that assessment of the album.
― people are for loving (HI DERE), Thursday, 5 August 2010 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Now it's more of a means to an end than an end for people with no means. Like, way back when, people fell into advertising. Now they major in advertising.
this seems like a false dichotomy used to attach a quality of legitimacy to some while denying it to others. To the extent that it's used as a blanket definition, i mean. art schools have been filled both with dedicated would-be artists and with the aimless children of privilege since forever. there's no reason but prejudice/taste to elevate lou & "those hipsters then" over maya & "these hipsters now."
or yeah, what da croup said
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 August 2010 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry for draggin thread back 2 the dark ages
Three weeks and several wrinkles later, I still rank her albums:
Kala >>>>> MAYA >>>>>>>>>> Arular
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 August 2010 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
In the long history of pointless and excessive application of the term "hipster" on ILX his is up there. I don't see how it tells us anything about MIA.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 5 August 2010 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
The problem with her gumbo approach is that it is likely to lead to stretches for each listener that aren't engaging, where all you can do is sit and wait for the interesting part to turn back up.
yeah, this squares with the first couple days i spent listening to it. was initially put off by the jumble of aggressive noise, defensive paranoia and slack delivery at the album's front end, and had to slowly work my way towards appreciation, working out from the few tracks that immediately caught my ear.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 August 2010 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
x-post Sorry, I didn't intend to apply the false dichotomy so much as identify what's partly at play here vis a vis the MIA thread (fleetingly) intersecting with the hipster as pejorative thread. The hipster c. now is stereotypically the affluent layabout who goes to art school because he can, not because he has to - art school as luxury - which plays into perceptions of authenticity, intent, background, etc., re: MIA. I didn't mean to state anything as fact, though I did always think of art school in the UK in the '70s as a sort of default refuge, which I'm not sure it is today.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 August 2010 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Hipster as pejorative seems to me to denote a wealthy background and/or bogus trend-hopping, neither of which applies here. If just going to art school makes you a hipster in some people's eyes than the word needs to be dismantled and never used again because it's meaningless.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 5 August 2010 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually, an honest question here: what was MIA's upbringing like between when she moved back to London in 1986 or whenever and when her first album came out? What did her family do to make ends meet? How did she end up at art school? I don't think I remember seeing interviews that have covered that 15 or so year span.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 August 2010 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link
when i use "hipster" as pejorative, it's somewhat similar to "fashion victim" - mostly w/r/t insufferable shoreditch types wearing :edgy: clothes so commonplace that they may as well be a uniform.
xps for a while in that 15-year span m.i.a. went to my primary school in wimbledon! it was your average london state school, i guess, full of all sorts.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 5 August 2010 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
She lived in a council flat and went to a comprehensive school - a writer I know was in her class. Her mum worked in Tesco. She stayed with her cousin in LA for a while after high school then came back and talked her way into art school. Looking at an old transcript from 2005, there's some interesting stuff on that period.
Re: school
"I used to get taken to special needs classes when I first got here and I only knew three words. Apple. Mango. Elephant. And Michael Jackson. So when I came here they used to take me out of normnal classes, put me in a van, take me to a special learning centre where you sat round with lots of other refugee kids, nobody really spoke to each other, we all spoke different languages, we all had to start from scratch. We did that for a year and a half. I failed English literature so the cultural relevance of certain words in English doesn’t exist for me. My English was really learnt from pop culture and stuff and I’m not precious about the way I use it. I have just as much empathy for the way Jamaicans or Indians used English as the way the English do."
Re: art college
"I didn’t have any grades and I didn’t have any work experience or anything like that but I was just like, You <have> to let me go here, I’m not taking no for an answer, I want to know how to do film just because there’s so much going on in my life that I need to talk about and there’s so many people I meet who are in fucked up situations and they don’t get represented and I want to learn how to do it. Then when I went it was fun. I liked fucking with them a little bit. Then I started getting serious and realised that a lot of people were debating their right to deal with serious issues, being white, middle class and privileged, which I thought was really dangerous. I assumed that people who have the privilege to get an education will go and blow up spots and show what’s going on in the world, right? But that’s not what was happening in these institutions, and it’s the same in America. It’s like you can’t have an opinion on something if you come from a privileged position so that leaves those people to rot away. I walked around saying, What are you doing? And all my friends were saying, We’re going to make films about UFOs. Nobody questions my right to talk about aliens."
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 5 August 2010 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
the opening of "The Message" reminds me of a more loud/obnoxious intro to Missy Elliot's "Work It"...but I like it.
― San Te, Thursday, 5 August 2010 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
the drill sounds on "Steppin' Up" really enhance the track for me too...
― San Te, Thursday, 5 August 2010 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Hey, no talking about music on this thread! Strictly race, class and hipsters please.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 5 August 2010 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link
yes, between those and the sine waves all over "Teqkilla" the front half of the album is messy noisy awesomeness
― people are for loving (HI DERE), Thursday, 5 August 2010 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
hmmm - i think my enjoyment of things like industrial music and king crimson's 'lizard' also explain why I like this album
― San Te, Thursday, 5 August 2010 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link
ok I just love XXXO's hook. k haterz can step off for the next 45 minutes, don't even think a bad thought about this album CUZ I'LL KNOW
"Story to Be Told"=damn that divebombing bass!
― San Te, Thursday, 5 August 2010 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Then I started getting serious and realised that a lot of people were debating their right to deal with serious issues, being white, middle class and privileged, which I thought was really dangerous. ...It’s like you can’t have an opinion on something if you come from a privileged position so that leaves those people to rot away. I walked around saying, What are you doing? And all my friends were saying, We’re going to make films about UFOs. Nobody questions my right to talk about aliens.
this is so crazy fucking otm.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 August 2010 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Rereading that transcript, she's OTM about a lot of things. I don't want to clog up the thread but this exchange seems to anticipate a lot of the stuff people are talking about now.
Why did you namecheck the PLO?"I don’t like the way that everybody picks up on that. In hip hop they say der der der, like, der der der. They compare things. Surrender and PLO were the easiest words to put together. Why is it worse when it comes out of me? I think that’s what we have to look at."
A little later…
"Come on that’s not fair that I can’t mention Palestine. It just seems like they’re one of the people that are going to get treated like the Tigers. What we’ve done is said all the acts of terrorism or rebellion or revolution are all connected and there’s one big conspiracy of terrorism. That’s dangerous. So I’m going to talk about the PLO because there’s issues about the PLO that people don’t know and if a line like, Like PLO I don’t surrender, puts that idea in people’s heads that’s a good thing."
Are you maybe just lobbing that word in and then running away?"It doesn’t matter what I think! It just doesn’t matter anymore. Because we can’t even say words like that on our media anymore and it’s really important to find out what <everybody> thinks about the PLO, not what [i] think. This is why I got made on the internet because I lobbed that word out and they discussed it to pieces. A Sri Lankan comes in, an American, a Palestinian, a Chinese person, they’re all discussing it on the internet and they get to see what they think about each other and you get to hear the story from both ends."
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 5 August 2010 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
it’s really important to find out what <everybody> thinks about the PLO, not what I think.
I don't think its important at all. I guess I consider myself an intellectual before a pop music fan, and that's why I could never take MIA seriously.
― MFB, Thursday, 5 August 2010 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link
leave
― demons a. real (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 5 August 2010 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
When it comes to talking about pop music I think it's best to be a pop music fan before an intellectual.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 5 August 2010 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.peterguy.merseyblogs.co.uk/eggheads-quiz-champions.jpg
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 August 2010 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link
guess I consider myself an intellectual before a pop music fan, and that's why I could never take MIA seriously.
no offense, but this is one of the dumbest things I've ever read.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 August 2010 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
"As eggheads, we refuse to take MIA seriously. See you on the Adorno thread!"
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 5 August 2010 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
"We’re going to make films about UFOs. Nobody questions my right to talk about aliens."
wait where are these ufo movies?
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 5 August 2010 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link
tubes
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 August 2010 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
None taken. In those interviews and her subsequent media persona a big part of MIA's appeal/mission is the inclusion of generally marginalized people in big conversations about the world's problems, politics, etc. through her music. What she is describing in art school, that white privileged middle and upper-class kids felt unable to comment on the political realities of marginalized people she sees as a huge problem, as something that was disappointing and dispiriting. That these kids weren't using their resources to "blow up"/turn the lens on the world's problems is something that nagged at her.
She then goes on to talk about how mentioning the PLO opens up the conversation so that everyone can think about it. I don't think that all perspectives are equal and I could care less what people with little background think about the PLO or the history of armed struggle generally. MIA herself seems particularly ignorant of the deeper theoretical/intellectual issues surrounding armed struggle/marginalized people, which is not a prerequisite for being a pop musician of course. However, continuing to invoke genocide, warfare, armed struggle, and violence in your music without the slightest hint of self-awareness, and then acting indignant at the mere suggestion that this might be problematic is enough to turn me off permanently.
― MFB, Thursday, 5 August 2010 22:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Interviews are cool and add color, but they're irrelevant to analyzing an artist.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 August 2010 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link
don't think that all perspectives are equal and I could care less what people with little background think about the PLO or the history of armed struggle generally.
whether or not you care about the ensuing dialogue, might not opening up the conversation have some value in itself? (not saying that it does, necessarily)
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 August 2010 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
x-post: too absolute. an artist's statements can shed light on his/her art.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 August 2010 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
beyond which it's like - there's a lot of shit that gets invoked in music (& poetry, and literature) as emblematic/symbolic of some broader concept: are you really coming hard against "genocide, warfare, armed struggle, and violence," or just against the PLO? because if the latter i call bullshit; either all cases are worth your ire or none are
imo
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 5 August 2010 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link
The only other person I can remember describing themselves as an intellectual is Adrian Mole.
― textbook blows on the head (dowd), Thursday, 5 August 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't agree, Alfred. They shed light on intent. Depends if you're an intentional fallacy guy, I guess.
MFB, how many current musicians do you think are well-informed about "the theoretical/intellectual issues surrounding armed struggle/marginalized people"? I can only think of Tom Morello and Michael Franti. I don't understand this rule that people have to be up on their theory to make records about a subject. They're not standing for office.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 5 August 2010 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Could someone put "intention is irrelevant!" in the FAQ so Alfred doesn't have to keep decreeing it?
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
if we're putting mia on trial, intent ought to be able to count for something. maybe difference between 2nd degree artcrime and involuntary artslaughter
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 5 August 2010 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't understand this rule that people have to be up on their theory to make records about a subject. They're not standing for office.
Insert obligatory Wyclef reference.
It's not a "rule," I suppose, but it would certainly help. It also seems that in MIA's case specifically she has made this political material central to her music/message. Additionally, in many of her lyrics the references to third world countries, violence, etc. seem tossed off. {"You could try to find ways to be happier / You might end up somewhere in Ethiopia," "From Congo to Colombo / Can't stereotype my thing yo") thrown in there as a rhyme with no insight. I object to these kind of real world struggles and problems being appropriated for pop music lyrics/style and I rarely listen to music with any sort of overt political content/references. Of course politics and art directly collide constantly but the way MIA does it lacks subtlety or self-awareness on any level.
Any artist has the right to say what the want with any tools/references they like, but at the same time that art is not created in a vacuum. Perhaps MIA wants to open up a dialogue with her music, and perhaps that is a good thing, but it's a dialogue she has no interest in participating in.
― MFB, Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Great interview.
I missed the part where she got indignant, or said "all perspectives are equal." I read her to say she sparked an online conversation that wouldn't happen on TV. Is this controversial? Seems like that's exactly what happened here on ILM five years ago.
I wish artists would explore issues of violence more thoughtfully too, but I don't see how referencing the PLO in a rap lyric requires that. Can we maybe just admit that there are real and expressible political differences here between M.I.A. and her detractors?
― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost. "Overruled, counsellor. Interviews are irrelevant to analysing the crime in question. One more interjection about the real-life inspiration for Lovalot and I'll have you in contempt."
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Where are you getting this transcript from Dorian? Because honestly, it feels as though since the earlier days of the MIA project, she's gotten more reticent to talk at length about some of this stuff without falling into shorthand or sloganeering - in large part maybe because that's what journos are prompting, or those are the stories being written c.f. NYTimes, but those quotes are kind of wonderful context for alot of this stuff.
― Y /\/\ /\/\ \/ (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:19 (thirteen years ago) link
I rarely listen to music with any sort of overt political content/references.
I think that may be key. A lot of the criticisms people have of MIA are problems they have with politicised music generally. I don't hear many people saying that MIA does it badly but [insert artist here] does it well. Maybe it's because she heightens the contradictions and flaws of the form that she's become almost the sole flakcatcher. I see your POV but I don't have problems with real world issues popping up in fragmentary ways in pop music if (a) the records are good and (b) the intent (sorry Alfred) is sincere and not cynical.
Alex, this is from an interview I did with her when Arular came out. I don't know what she'd be like if I interviewed her now. I was just posting them as useful background info from a time when she was less paranoid and more willing to talk openly about stuff.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:23 (thirteen years ago) link
(b) the intent (sorry Alfred) is sincere and not cynical.
No way you can prove this! And who cares anyway? Constructing narratives and finding correspondences is our job, not the artist's.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:24 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost Yeah, I figured that was the time period, I just didn't know if the interview/transcripts were widely available or were your own personal interview.
It's interesting to see how closed off and blustery and purposely provocative (at times) she's gotten, especially because circa ARULAR, I remember her seeming pretty eager to discuss her work and engage and explain. The paranoia of /\/\ /\ Y /\ is maybe as much a reaction to responses to her project as anything else?
― Y /\/\ /\/\ \/ (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Not primarily, of course, but it seems as though especially since KALA there's been a pretty swift spiral towards the current 'connected to the Google' etc. iteration of Maya.
― Y /\/\ /\/\ \/ (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:29 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost. We just have divergent critical approaches. I love finding out, for example, that Whitfield/Strong's classic Motown protest songs were mostly cynical attempts to capture the angry youth market and that Whitfield didn't give much of a shit either way about Vietnam or black power. It doesn't mean I like Ball of Confusion any less but it enriches my understanding of it. In this case, it matters to me whether MIA is, however imperfectly, trying to say something that matters to her rather than chucking around some buzzphrases because they sound cool and will get her some attention. Again, it wouldn't affect my enjoyment of the songs if she was a shallow provocateur but it would affect how I discussed them.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:31 (thirteen years ago) link
― torch song trill o.g. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, August 5, 2010 7:29 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
oh lord dude in the age of google brain farts arent even close to the lol zings you think they are
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:37 (thirteen years ago) link
― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Thursday, August 5, 2010 11:55 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
and youre taking sides hypocrit
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Alfred, why do you say who cares if people clearly care? If you don't want to consider intent that's fine. It doesn't HAVE to be relevant to one's take on a song. But there's no pure relationship between the listener/critic and song, our perceptions are shaped by what we know and believe. And if we know facts about and quotes from the artist that influence our opinion, so fucking be it. If there's no right answer we have to search for through journalism, there's no wrong answer either.
xpost lol someone just woke up
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:42 (thirteen years ago) link
groan at all this 1940s-era new critic anti-intentionalist bullshit
― unchill english bro (history mayne), Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:43 (thirteen years ago) link
p much what da croupier said
― unchill english bro (history mayne), Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:44 (thirteen years ago) link
― da croupier, Thursday, August 5, 2010 6:42 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
just got back from work. hope u missed me
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:49 (thirteen years ago) link
impressed by your restraint in not posting these belated "fuck off"s this morning, then
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:51 (thirteen years ago) link
It's a natural instinct to read what an artist says if we're fans and/or the music leaves us with questions; I own quite a few rock bios and autobios. But it's too easy now with the internet to play the journalist and draw lines between this or that statement uttered by an artist -- it's that post-therapy world in which explaining your motives matters as much as what you're creating. Sometimes for the sake of saying a good line because the artist is drunk, bored, and wants to bullshit with the reporter.
I had problems with Dorianlynskey's "the intent is sincere not cynical" because, like I said, how do you prove this? Even when they're explaining themselves -- mediated by what the interviewer's included and the editor's chosen to publish -- there's no way of gauging cynicism or sincerity.
Part of my problem, I suppose, is that when I write fiction I never begin with intentions, i.e. "This is a story about loss and the pain of separation" or "I want to write a story about loss and the pain of separation." I sit down on the computer, tap some shit out, assemble it, and am kinda amazed that it coheres into something. That's why I'm always suspicious of intent -- most artists don't intend anything other than to write some songs and record them.
history mayne, check out your big brain! You know about New Criticism!
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Dorianlynskey, sorry for snapping at you.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:55 (thirteen years ago) link
pretty sure everyone's "suspicious" of intent here, just not a fan of the popist/rockist false dichotomy where it must matter or DOES NOT matter
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:57 (thirteen years ago) link
holy moly, just used the phrase 'false dichotomy' twice unrelatedly on here this evening, check out my big brain
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link
u are really caught up on this passage-of-time thing huh
― blap...tremendo (deej), Friday, 6 August 2010 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link
the two minutes between your last two posts, were u just sitting in silence marveling at your double-use of 'false dichotomy'
It's OK - I took it as impassioned rather than rude.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 6 August 2010 10:19 (thirteen years ago) link
annnnnnnnnnd it's time for another deraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaai-aiiiiiiiii-aaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiil (ding)
― DiMarcel Marceaupower (San Te), Friday, 6 August 2010 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link
lol maybe not
Thursday, August 5, 2010 8:24 PM I Love Music User: blap...tremendo has been banned from thread: MIA temporarily
― DiMarcel Marceaupower (San Te), Friday, 6 August 2010 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Here she reminds me of that political girl in the art class scenes from Ghost World. You can't take an art class simply to learn about art, you need to have a dialog.
― Beach Pomade (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 6 August 2010 18:02 (thirteen years ago) link
"I sit down on the computer, tap some shit out, assemble it, and am kinda amazed that it coheres into something. That's why I'm always suspicious of intent -- most artists don't intend anything other than to write some songs and record them."
Isn't this what the anti-MIA contingent is accusing her of? Purposeless (maybe even witless) grab-baggery?
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 6 August 2010 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes, but some of the pro-M.I.A. rebuttal is "it can be as witless as it wants to be if I enjoy the end product".
― people are for loving (HI DERE), Friday, 6 August 2010 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess I'm with the proMIAs, then. Rocky IV is pretty awesome regardless (maybe because?) of intent/witlessness.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 6 August 2010 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
entire genre of rock and roll to thread.
― Quo riff just isn't a suitable vehicle for interplanetary exploration (Ioannis), Friday, 6 August 2010 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link
she's in a real O-mind
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Friday, 6 August 2010 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Blingee!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfbQ5mHWkOs
― fuck ya law! (Spinspin Sugah), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 19:01 (thirteen years ago) link
― HI DERE, Wednesday, 11 August 2010 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link
This video contains content from Vevo, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.
:(
― sorprendentemente noioso (onimo), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link
now you know how I feel whenever I attempt to watch Cure videos
― HI DERE, Wednesday, 11 August 2010 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Can I just interject say how much I love that she actually uses "Like Puzzle Bobble on PC" as a simile ("Space")
― En Moog (Stevie D), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
delfi
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Everything I've read about this today said it was like 'animated GIF' or '90s screen saver' and they were all wrong. But Blingee, totally!
― Beach Pomade (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
The sparkling roses, java water reflection are super animated gif myspace comment/90s website.
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 11 August 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
(and also Blingee)
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 11 August 2010 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link
it's Blingee meets Lisa Frank through an MIA prism of irony. Also, she's giving this gay boy imaginary boners with her sexiness.
― fuck ya law! (Spinspin Sugah), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
seems entirely unsexy to me, but i am often wrong about things. and i'm not sure i understand your objection, adam bruneau. blingee = animated gifs, surely? in a style that's been popular at least since the 90s.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link
No objection, i was just surprised no sites i was looking at was actually saying "Blingee!" After i read about the 90s screensaver look i was disappointed to find no flying toasters ;-)
― Beach Pomade (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link
seems entirely unsexy to me, but i am often wrong about things.
I totally meant "sexy" in an early 90's hooker sorta way.
― fuck ya law! (Spinspin Sugah), Thursday, 12 August 2010 00:17 (thirteen years ago) link
MySpace is mid-'00s, let's get this straight.
― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 12 August 2010 04:41 (thirteen years ago) link
M.I.A.'S MUYSPACE IS AWESUM U STOP IT
― plate of dinosaurs (San Te), Thursday, 12 August 2010 05:28 (thirteen years ago) link
T|-|/\/\/|<$ 4 /\DD|/\/G /\/\3
― teledyldonix, Thursday, 12 August 2010 05:46 (thirteen years ago) link
/\/ () |> |2 () |3 | 3 /\/\
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 August 2010 05:52 (thirteen years ago) link
i like this video!
― The Reverend, Thursday, 12 August 2010 05:55 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i.mynicespace.com/104/10486.gif
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 12 August 2010 07:20 (thirteen years ago) link
flowers are so lewd
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 August 2010 07:20 (thirteen years ago) link
After reading Jenny Eliscu's fantastic article "M.I.A. Radical, Chic" [RS 1110], there is no doubt in my mind that the Sri Lankan sensation finally has it all: a killer third album, fame, a loving fiance and a beautiful son. She's certainly come a long way from sitting in the back of the classroom with "the poor kids." Now if she could just figure out how to get through a show without technical difficulties.
Rachel ScottVia the Internet
― ('_') (omar little), Friday, 20 August 2010 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Alright guys, I laughed at Trufflegate like the rest of you and I put off hearing the new album for a few months to let all the hype and criticism die down a bit. Wasn't anticipating much from this new album (actually, I didn't enjoy the previous two all that much, so maybe my expectations were just low?). But I played this through today for the first time and it sounds fantastic. Would I be nuts to say this is my favorite MIA album?
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 13:34 (thirteen years ago) link
She's had a rough year. Who got uncool faster, MIA or Lebron James?
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 25 August 2010 13:35 (thirteen years ago) link
not nuts at all. I still prefer Kala for its immediacy and I enjoy the percussive-tribal beats more, but in terms of sound-collage, the new one is pretty damned awesome. I don't get the crit-hate at all, although I understand why it's polarizing to some. I should also point out I like King Crimson's Lizard.
― funky brewster (San Te), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 13:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I can see why people approaching this as a "pop" album would be thrown off. I mean, I liked "Galang" and "Bucky" and "Paper Planes" too but I failed to see what the BIG DEAL was. But this new album is v. good. At the risk of sounding ridiculous, I think it's heard best through the lens of, say, how you'd listen to some sort of mash-up of Einsturzende Neubauten aesthetics (a strange touchstone, but most of the album sounds very *mechanical*) filtered through a host of grime/dub reference points. Almost comes off like a Kevin Martin (Scorn, The Bug, Techno Animal) type project -- it feels like bits of pop filtered through a lot of dissonance and ugly/noisy electronic fuckery and somehow it comes off heady and occasionally danceable at the same time.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 13:39 (thirteen years ago) link
agreed. it wasn't impenetrable like I was made to believe it would be when I got it. and it opens very well.
― funky brewster (San Te), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 13:40 (thirteen years ago) link
San Te, I think "sound collage" is a great way to approach it.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 13:40 (thirteen years ago) link
I think it's the greatest punk album since I don't know when. Maybe too long of a good thing on "Teqkilla" and lame with the "life is such a game" line in "Tell Me Why," but otherwise perfect.
― Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 25 August 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not sure about the album as a whole, but "XXXO" is a jam.
― Euler, Wednesday, 25 August 2010 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link
The rhythmic cluelessness people talk about upthread is obviously purposeful, "Ex sex sex oh" and all. xpost: Ha, she should cover "Futter Mein Ego."
― Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 25 August 2010 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes, Kevin Martin is totally a touchstone.
― king boy swag (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
The rhythmic cluelessness people talk about upthread is obviously purposeful
oh well if you put it that way
― unchill english bro (history mayne), Thursday, 26 August 2010 00:48 (thirteen years ago) link
What the hell does "rhythmic cluelessness" even mean in this context?
― king boy swag (The Reverend), Thursday, 26 August 2010 03:58 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, one thing i really like about MIA is her rythmic sense, awkward as it may be
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Thursday, 26 August 2010 04:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Sorry, how should I put it? I was referring to HI DERE saying she's "arhythmical," when at least in the Letterman clip, she managed to sing her off-rhythm lines exactly as she does on the recording, which requires an ear. "XXXO" seems like another good example, where her slowing down behind the beat is, you know, pretty obviously an effect she's going for. Should I not say "obviously"?
― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 26 August 2010 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link
New Diplo-assisted demo. Better than most of the tracks on the album: http://stereogum.com/521072/m-i-a-diplo-4thepeopleontheboat-demo/mp3s/
― piscesx, Monday, 27 September 2010 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link
it's actually just as good as the other tracks. "Lemme Hump You" is tremendous and the accompanying video even moreso.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NbYsQjLXJA
― fan of puppetry (Spinspin Sugah), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 05:23 (thirteen years ago) link
that's not a video for that song btw
― dro™ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 05:26 (thirteen years ago) link
also
"m-i-a-diplo-4thepeopleontheboat-demo/mp3s/"
THE STEREOGUM IS CONNECTED TO THE GOVERNMETN
whooaaa
it's fan made, yes.
― fan of puppetry (Spinspin Sugah), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 05:33 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a fucking diesel ad
― dro™ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 05:38 (thirteen years ago) link
check out this fanmade Sleigh Bells video!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JtxEygTiDw&
― dro™ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 05:40 (thirteen years ago) link
be a bigger dick, please.
― fan of puppetry (Spinspin Sugah), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 05:46 (thirteen years ago) link
vickileekx.com
new mixtape. pretty good all around - a couple of those demos and a bunch of new stuff. all one mp3, but if you look around you can probably find split tracks.
― not currently in Montreal. (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 31 December 2010 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
christ I finally get around to hearing MAYA last week and now there's already something else out
I am old
(MAYA is awesome btw, surprised at how much hate it got)
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 January 2011 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
The hate for MAYA was pretty mystifying.
― Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 7 January 2011 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
defying expectations is risky
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 January 2011 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I kinda dig that she made a noisy abrasive album, the level of sonic detail is really engaging to me. I'm more forgiving of sloganeering than others tho
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 January 2011 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link
really the only places where the album loses me is where she pulls back on the noisiness ("It Iz What It Iz", "It Takes A Muscle", to a lesser extent "Tell Me Why" and "Space")
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Friday, 7 January 2011 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah those seem like a really intentional respite from the chaos, like there needed to be a break
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 January 2011 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
I like It Takes a Muscle tho
I buy it most from "Space"
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Friday, 7 January 2011 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
"Space" is totally in my top tracks of last year list.
― Jean Hill as Gospel bus hijacker (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 7 January 2011 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
really the only places where the album loses me is where she pulls back on the noisiness
otm ^^
"it takes a muscle" i never want to hear again in my life
― ilxor this could be a standout thread for you imo (ilxor), Saturday, 8 January 2011 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
took about 4-5 months off from listening to this and still love it. and yea the noisiest bits are the best.....
― mavisbeacon666 (San Te), Saturday, 8 January 2011 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
just getting around to checking out the Vicki Leekx mixtape, which starts out very very well
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Friday, 14 January 2011 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Definitely liking the mixtape. It has a few weak spots, but very enjoyable overall.
― Moodles, Friday, 14 January 2011 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link
after an interruption due to work (lol) I'm 6 minutes in and this is great
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Friday, 14 January 2011 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
so yes, this is great
also great: "Internet Connection (Huoratron Rum Aid Remix)" (currently playable on Pitchfork)
once it all clicks in around the 2 minute mark... holy hell
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Friday, 14 January 2011 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link
"Space" is so pretty.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 09:14 (thirteen years ago) link
ugh why do people keep bumping this thread to talk about that m.i.a.? it's not like there's a shortage of threads that are actually about her.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 09:22 (thirteen years ago) link
You might want to complain to someone who cares.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 09:53 (thirteen years ago) link
you might want to start caring
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 10:13 (thirteen years ago) link
it's like me going into any old random thread to talk about a completely different artist
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 10:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Which I wouldn't have any problem with.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 10:23 (thirteen years ago) link
suspect you would, but anyway. michaela grobelny.
http://i2.kickasstorrents.com/artists/2288922.jpg
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 10:27 (thirteen years ago) link
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/7178029/mia++sub+static.jpg
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 10:28 (thirteen years ago) link
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/10520105/mia.jpg
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/7178097/mia++sub+static.jpg
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 10:29 (thirteen years ago) link
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/24116155/mia++sub+static.jpg
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 10:30 (thirteen years ago) link
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/29697735/mia++live+in+Portugal.jpg
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/7177993/mia++sub+static.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3078/2331096551_c84461bab2.jpg
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 10:31 (thirteen years ago) link
http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/16/l_87cad90db0f848b454b08e64d159a78b.jpg
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 10:32 (thirteen years ago) link
This is her, right?
http://www.behindthehype.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/mia420.jpg
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 11:02 (thirteen years ago) link
boy, lex, that's really telling 'em...something
― a special freak who falls outside of all (Ioannis), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 11:11 (thirteen years ago) link
yea yea it's confusing that this thread started about one Mia and ended up about another, but like....that happened years ago, kind of weird to just start complaining about it now.
unless you're really dying to talk about german Mia right now.
― metal panda (San Te), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 12:17 (thirteen years ago) link
ok not years ago more like a year ago, but geez who cares
― metal panda (San Te), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 12:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Taking sides: M.I.A vs M.I.A vs M.I.A. vs MIA vs MIA vs Mia vs
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 12:22 (thirteen years ago) link
i complained a year ago as well. just because you guys don't care about the german mia doesn't mean people who actually like her shouldn't care about her thread being hijacked? especially when there's NO SHORTAGE of m.i.a. threads to bump - why the FUCK would anyone choose this one?
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 12:28 (thirteen years ago) link
― internet hardmanning clark (haitch), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 12:32 (thirteen years ago) link
and thread bombing was the best way to respond? i'm sure a mod request to split the thread is possible, it's been done before (re: the opening of The-Dream Love King thread originated elsewhere iirc).
― metal panda (San Te), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 12:35 (thirteen years ago) link
posying a few images of the artist whose thread this is, is WAY less obnoxious than the multiple posters who've just gone "don't give a shit" about hijacking it
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 12:38 (thirteen years ago) link
*posting
lex otm itt
― missingNO, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 12:43 (thirteen years ago) link
i actually suspect forks probably didn't notice at first when he revived a year ago, given the confusion between MIAs IN THE ORIGINAL THREAD
― metal panda (San Te), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 12:46 (thirteen years ago) link
the thread had also been dormant for six years prior to its revive. the names are MIA and M.I.A., it's at least understandable, it's not like someone revived a Michael Jackson thread with posts on Hootie and the Blowfish
― metal panda (San Te), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 12:47 (thirteen years ago) link
original intent of this thread seems a lost cause. the debate is now just comedy. i mean it's like 2990 maya poasts vs?
anyway, i've enjoyed vicky leakx. it's clearly something of a retrenchment, a reestablishment of her core sound, perhaps in response to negative reactions (and poor sales), but i've always liked MIA-sounding maya, so i'm cool with that. also seems pretty sketchy, experimentally defaced, and nothing jumps out as an obvious hit except maybe "let me hump you" & "bad girls", but i like basically every fragment on here. be interesting to see what survives to the next album, and in what form...
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 12:48 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah but the appropriate response there is "oh sorry i'll take it to one of the MANY threads for m.i.a." not "tell it to someone who cares"
i guess i'll see forks in his tonetta thread, talking about toni braxton
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 12:49 (thirteen years ago) link
not saying that a mod decision to somehow break this into two threads would be unwelcome. dunno that that's even possible, but there's a clear break before the recent revive...
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:49 AM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark
can't imagine anyone who cares about tonetta not being pleased by this.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 12:50 (thirteen years ago) link
i'll post about anthony
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 12:51 (thirteen years ago) link
xxpost the original thread had 14 posts and half of them were mistaking MIA for another MIA. Big fucking deal.
most of the other M.I.A. threads were either polls or album specific. I and the other ilxors sincerely apologize for preventing fans of the german Mia from resuming their conversation six years later and resuming their convo....well, nowhere, because nobody did.
― metal panda (San Te), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 12:52 (thirteen years ago) link
best part is that those initial 14 posts consist almost entirely of an argument about which mia the thread properly concerns
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 12:56 (thirteen years ago) link
yep.
― metal panda (San Te), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 12:57 (thirteen years ago) link
are you incapable of posting in the other m.i.a. threads, seriously?
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 12:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i've said my piece, lex. at this point, i'm just messing, and you're keeping the discussion alive as much as anyone else. nor is there anything preventing anyone of us from starting a nice, clean, new thread specifically and clearly devoted to whichever mia they're excited about. not telling you to go do that, mind. just casting about for options...
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 13:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Michaela Grobelny was a very fine DJ when I saw her a few years ago, has anyone seen her play recently?
― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 13:12 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost jesus if it means that much to you, request the thread split, but idg what you're so up in arms about. It's not like M.I.A. fans intentionally jacked an active thread about someone completely different.
The thread had been dormant and inactive for six years, nobody was talking about the german MIA (hell, half the people in the ORIGINAL thread weren't talking about her), and forks revived it about the other M.I.A., which then generated 3,000 posts.
the other m.i.a. threads as I said are mostly about specific albums or polls where it wouldn't make sense. and also who in the hell is going to post to them now after the conversation has mostly been held here in the last year?
― metal panda (San Te), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 13:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Can the MIA thread be 'split'
there, we can move on with our lives
― metal panda (San Te), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 13:15 (thirteen years ago) link
i've never seen her dj ;_;
i thought she'd been quiet recently, but it seems she quietly released a couple of EPs last year, which i'm now gonna check out...
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 13:21 (thirteen years ago) link
We were lucky enough to have her play twice in Brighton. From memory she played more techno-y than her records would suggest, almost Detroit-y at times. Also seemed to have a love of the party - dancing on the floor after he set, which is all too rare among DJs.
I find her very hit and miss on her releases but like you I haven't checked out the recent tracks yet…
― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 13:37 (thirteen years ago) link
MIA aka Michaela Grobelny
New thread from mods for German MIA containing the initial conversation from this thread.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 14:59 (thirteen years ago) link
FWIW I confine all of my M.I.A. talk to this thread because Lex uselessly rages about how it's the "wrong" thread even though it's not true, hasn't been true since the original 20 posts, and never will be true.
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 15:19 (thirteen years ago) link
also lol @ claiming that confusing MIA and M.I.A. is the same as confusing Toni Braxton and Tonetta, who for one thing don't have the same name
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Is it alright if I use this thread to talk about the hardcore band M.I.A.?
― a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link
yes. they suck.
― a special freak who falls outside of all (Ioannis), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
No, this thread is strictly for discussion of the Chuck Norris movie
― i love tampon spaceship (San Te), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Wednesday, January 19, 2011 7:19 AM Bookmark
OTM
― The Reverend, Thursday, 20 January 2011 02:04 (thirteen years ago) link
don't think much to the new version of generation NEY. the demo was brilliant.
― piscesx, Thursday, 20 January 2011 02:17 (thirteen years ago) link
speaking of the MIA vs. M.I.A. confusion, the first mia thread was actually this mya 'gilang'.
started by me because i'd only heard the name said on XFM, never seen it written down. turned out there was a mya, and mia and an M.I.A. !
― piscesx, Thursday, 20 January 2011 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link
ugh why do people keep bumping this thread to talk about that m.i.a.? it's not like there's a shortage of threads that are actually about her.― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:22 AM (17 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
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― domo genesis p-orridge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 20 January 2011 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link
why do people keep bumping this 3,000 post thread on some german artist no one's ever heard of ever?!?!?!
― domo genesis p-orridge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 20 January 2011 02:25 (thirteen years ago) link
this is the newest and also the longest thread relating to the last album, so that's why folk kept reviving it as opposed to the others.
― piscesx, Thursday, 20 January 2011 02:27 (thirteen years ago) link
^ informative
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Thursday, 20 January 2011 03:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Vicki Leekx so fucking great
like, this is everything I wanted |\/|/\Y/\ to be
― ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Thursday, 24 March 2011 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link
But MAYA was everything M.I.A. wanted it to be, which is why it's great.
― Call on me (Spinspin Sugah), Thursday, 24 March 2011 17:40 (thirteen years ago) link
oh man, let's hope lex isn't around
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 24 March 2011 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I argue that "It Is What It Is" and "It Takes A Muscle" are the exact opposite of "great"
I eventually came around on "Tell Me Why" but I'll never like those two.
― 'lol u stuck with me now watch this ass expand, joeks on u' (DJP), Thursday, 24 March 2011 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link
it takes a musclol
― ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Thursday, 24 March 2011 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
People be havin' opinions, man.
― Call on me (Spinspin Sugah), Thursday, 24 March 2011 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Muscle and It Is are actually two of my favorite songs on the album
― Destroy A. Monsters (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 25 March 2011 13:29 (thirteen years ago) link
whats the matter with them DJP? too sellout?
They are too laconic for my tastes.
― 'lol u stuck with me now watch this ass expand, joeks on u' (DJP), Friday, 25 March 2011 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link
feeling's mutual
― Destroy A. Monsters (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 25 March 2011 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I argue that "It Is What It Is" and "It Takes A Muscle" are the exact opposite of "great"I eventually came around on "Tell Me Why" but I'll never like those two.
That's kind of how I feel. Take out those tracks where she sings (Takes a Muscle, It Iz.., Story to be Told, Tell Me Why) and you've got a strong experimental electro world hip-hop album.
― AWALL, Saturday, 26 March 2011 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
bringing discussion over from the Nguzunguzu thread. Nguzunguzu mixed Vicki Leekx but did we ever figure out who produced what?
The cover says production is from Danjahandz, Munchi, Diplo, Blaqstarr, Switch, Rusko, VIIXIIV and So Japan. Munchi's two tracks are clearly the two called Tamil Beat Munchi and Muder Sounds Munchi. Let Me Hump You is Blaqstarr and Gen -N-E-Y is Diplo, I think, given how pissed he got when she posted it for free on that website, but what did Danja do? I can't hear him here anywhere.
― Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill The Radio Star (Alex in Montreal), Monday, 28 March 2011 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
okay just to be clear... MIA has a song called LET ME HUMP YOU? lol
― fuck this bullshit excuse for a biscuit (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 28 March 2011 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Blaqstarr ft. M.I.A. but it's on the M.I.A. mixtape, yeah.
― Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill The Radio Star (Alex in Montreal), Monday, 28 March 2011 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPEceX46ImU
Also, as much as I love Beyonce, hearing Maya intone "A Hustler is a female version of a Hustler" in 'You My Love' is something I will never get tired of.
― Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill The Radio Star (Alex in Montreal), Monday, 28 March 2011 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link
So Japan seems to be a new name to her producer roster. Anyone know about him/her/them? My googlefu seems to be lacking..
― The Sunspots In Your Eyes Are Actually Cataracts, Mr. Rudich (AWALL), Monday, 28 March 2011 23:55 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6o12Jo2V-A
Fun unreleased /\/\/\Y/\ track.
― The Sunspots In Your Eyes Are Actually Cataracts, Mr. Rudich (AWALL), Monday, 28 March 2011 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm a bit behind the times, and only discovered on saturday that "Jimmy" is just MIA singing over a Bollywood track of the same name. I found the original lost a bit by not having her vocal on it.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 29 March 2011 12:09 (twelve years ago) link
From Twitter just now:
_M_I_A_ M.I.Ai think story told and born free are the best songs i eva wrote, one makes me cry and the other make me try14 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply
That's why I like Story to Be Told as well - it's where autobiography meets polemic, very movingly.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Saturday, 9 April 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
She did polemic autobiographical better on MIA from Arular imo. Born Free is a good 'get you going song', it's fun to run to.
― The Sunspots In Your Eyes Are Actually Cataracts, Mr. Rudich (AWALL), Tuesday, 12 April 2011 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
yay Digital Underground references
― in my world of loose geirs (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 12 April 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
like Zig Zag! it's from '03 according to P4k. she's the master of putting the wrong songs on the albums it seems sometimes.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 12 April 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
okay now that I'm in the mood for this, this is hot
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Tuesday, 12 April 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
2003? That's even before Piracy Funds Terrorism. And that sounds a lot more produced and better than PFT.
― The Sunspots In Your Eyes Are Actually Cataracts, Mr. Rudich (AWALL), Tuesday, 12 April 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
whoops. recording for Arular was apparently in '03, so I guess it's an Arular track. I guess it could fit.
She puts a lot of good songs as bonus tracks, which kind of annoys me since I have to go hunting for them. URAQT, Big Branch, Illygirl are some of her best tracks and all are Japan only or iTune bonus tracks.
― The Sunspots In Your Eyes Are Actually Cataracts, Mr. Rudich (AWALL), Tuesday, 12 April 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
"URAQT" is on the American rerelease of Arular, and "Big Branch" is on the rerelease of Kala.
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Tuesday, 12 April 2011 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
(by which I just mean it's not like these tracks are actually hard to find!)
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Tuesday, 12 April 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
Caps Lock is a fave too; another of yr extra/ japan only jobs.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 12 April 2011 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
Diplo still doing a thriving line in slagging off MIA
"She’s not an easy artist to criticize because she’s very left-leaning, she’s progressive, she’s a woman."
I would say last year disproved his "not an easy artist to criticize" thesis.
http://www.wwd.com/eyescoop/boys-night-out-with-diplo-3610252/print/#/slideshow/article/3610252/3610294
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Friday, 13 May 2011 15:24 (twelve years ago) link
Her biggest fan = Nic Roberts! http://www.nicolaroberts.co.uk/2011/05/read-nicolas-first-twitter-chat-in-full/
think i'd rather have Nic on my side than Diplo.
― piscesx, Friday, 13 May 2011 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
who is your fave artist at the moment? #beatofmydrum x@_jessmay My favourite artist at the moment is @diplo
although it seems she likes both!
― piscesx, Friday, 13 May 2011 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
Her favourite Girls Aloud single is The Promise? smdh
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Friday, 13 May 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
well hasn't she been working with major lazer?
diplo's always been an annoying little bitch and "still slagging off your ex" after how many years is never a good look, no matter how many grains of truth there may be in it
― lex pretend, Friday, 13 May 2011 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
From Twitter:
maura maura johnstonif a woman talked public smack about her ex as much as diplo talks shit about m.i.a. she would be branded as a psycho hose beast1 minute ago
― We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Friday, 13 May 2011 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
^ real talk
― teledyldonix, Friday, 13 May 2011 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
That Diplo is a complete douchebag isn't exactly news, is it?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 13 May 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
I've taken it as a given for years
― american thinker (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 13 May 2011 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
“Maya left herself open for attacks,” he says. “She’s not an easy artist to criticize because she’s very left-leaning, she’s progressive, she’s a woman. She’s good in a lot of aspects, but when it comes to die-hard, facts-on-the-ground politics, she’s at zero. She’s nothing. I told her at the beginning of the third record, like, do not bring politics into this. Obama’s the president, for one. You just can’t glamorize terrorism, it’s not cool.…You can’t hide behind that sh-t. But she totally did. She didn’t have a plan B. I told her from the beginning, it’s not going to work. And Lynn Hirschberg just ate it up. If she didn’t, the critics would have ate her up anyway because the record wasn’t good.”
― The Sunspots In Your Eyes Are Actually Cataracts, Mr. Rudich (AWALL), Friday, 13 May 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
Haha, as if Obama being prez means shit is all good.
― al b. surly! (The Reverend), Saturday, 14 May 2011 04:23 (twelve years ago) link
MAYA is actually a dope album if you cut like 1/3 of the songs off and include the bonus tracks.. some of her best stuff actually
― The Brainwasher, Saturday, 14 May 2011 04:25 (twelve years ago) link
MAYA is actually a dope album as it stands.
― al b. surly! (The Reverend), Saturday, 14 May 2011 04:30 (twelve years ago) link
the bonus tracks are better than most of the songs on the standard edition though ("internet connection," "CAPSLOCK," "illygirl")...
― The Brainwasher, Saturday, 14 May 2011 04:31 (twelve years ago) link
Reverend OTM. And whenever someone says "Don't bring politics into this," that usually means politics needs to be brought into it.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 14 May 2011 04:32 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't like the bonus tracks tbh, they all seem v undercooked compared to the album proper.
― al b. surly! (The Reverend), Saturday, 14 May 2011 04:37 (twelve years ago) link
"CAPSLOCK,"
read this as "COCKSLAP," what is wrong w/ me??
― ilxor running, w/ laptop in hand, checking ILX as he sprints (ilxor), Sunday, 15 May 2011 04:37 (twelve years ago) link
finally watched Born Free after having avoided it for months now (out of fear that it would undermine my pretty positive of her when I don't listen to the lyrics)
= mistake
― kelpolaris, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 02:44 (twelve years ago) link
guesting on Madonna's new album supposedly.
― piscesx, Thursday, 27 October 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
Huh:
MIA has confirmed that she will be performing with Madonna and Nicki Minaj at the halftime show at the 2012 Super Bowl in Indianapolis on February 5.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 30 January 2012 23:42 (twelve years ago) link
MIA's fourth album, which is the follow-up to her 2010 record 'Maya', is rumoured to feature contributions from Swizz Beatz, Cataracs and Chris Brown.
okay I'm gettin off this bus
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 30 January 2012 23:44 (twelve years ago) link
her and MDNA are bezzie mates now as we used to say in Liverpoolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npzcezjGMTg
― piscesx, Monday, 30 January 2012 23:46 (twelve years ago) link
if the rumor pans out, I'm off the bus too
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 30 January 2012 23:47 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah. I already heard the rumour and I'm already KMT about the whole thing.
Honestly, Cataracs might be enough. I don't dislike their role in Dev or G6 or whatever, but it just seems like a wrongheaded move.
I really liked /\/\ /\ Y /\ and there were a bunch of fruitful directions on Vicki Leekx. This isn't one of them, imo.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Monday, 30 January 2012 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
at least "Bad Girls" is dope tho
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 30 January 2012 23:49 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I like all her albums a lot, maybe MAYA the most tbh. but this does not sound interesting.
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 30 January 2012 23:49 (twelve years ago) link
rumore doesn't sway me, will wait and see
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Monday, 30 January 2012 23:51 (twelve years ago) link
Bad Girls is dope, but of the two tracks off Vicki Leekx that felt like actual songs, 'GEN -N-E-Y' felt like something she hadn't really done before.
Bad Girls is awesome, but it could have slotted in no problem in KALA.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 00:00 (twelve years ago) link
this isn't bad
you are using the wrong thread again >>>:( is it so hard to start a new one
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 09:23 (twelve years ago) link
Still fighting the good fight
― Meme Rogers (DL), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 10:19 (twelve years ago) link
I feel like I've heard that song from countless other people before. I hope she isn't try to step back from doing "difficult" songs like she did with her mixtape and last album. Why all of a sudden there is an expectation of her being commercially successful?
*Looks at Wikipedia page of "Paper Planes"*
Oh shit the song was that popular???? Well OK then.
― Tired of these edcuated basic bitches. (lilsoulbrother), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:11 (twelve years ago) link
You are using the wrong thread again >>>:( is it so hard to start a new one
Man seriously stfu about this o.g. thread had like twelve posts, half of which were all "which MIA r we talking bout", then 2k posts on M.I.A. followed years later. This thread is M.I.A.s now.
*angrily munches Caesar salad*
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
lol everyone uses this thread specifically because it annoys lex so much
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
German MIA really needs to raise her game if she wants this thread back imo
― Meme Rogers (DL), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:42 (twelve years ago) link
neanderthal i have told you before DO NOT TALK TO ME DO NOT LOOK AT ME
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
when i saw someone on twitter RT that @miauniverse had a new single i got really excited thinking it was michaela grobelny, cuz i thought M.I.A.'s twitter name was dfferent. but she'd just changed it :(
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
yeah when is the real MIA going to put out another album?
― omar little, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
MIA is truly one of the world's biggest trolls
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 31 January 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
mia m.i.a.
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
it's hilarious that after whittling her fanbase in half or something following MAYA she thanks hardcore fans for sticking around by working with the cataracts and chris brown
they see me trollin... they hating
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 31 January 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
Actually, that's sort of brilliant.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
the important question is does she still eat truffle fries
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
are lex and neanderthal gonna hook up before senior year is over?
― iatee, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 19:32 (twelve years ago) link
the missing link
― awall (AWALL), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
ok so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AtyZ3VoHq8
― piscesx, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
sounds like a more 'pop' Steppin Up. bit boring tbf. i hope a proper version of Gen NEY proper is on this album though.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
"Bad Girls" was on the Vicki Leekx mixtape from Dec '10 and was one of the songs used to promote it.
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
indeed. this is the finished version off the album supposedly, it's produced by Danja whoever that might be.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
With Timbaland, Hills produced a wide catalog of songs that helped return the famous producer to prominence in 2006 with an ongoing string of hits throughout the year until present, including "Put You On The Game" by rapper The Game, "Promiscuous" and "Say It Right" by Nelly Furtado, "SexyBack", "What Goes Around...Comes Around" and "My Love" by Justin Timberlake among others, such as "Love Story" by Katharine McPhee, "Innocence" and "Earth Intruders" by Björk, and "Give It to Me" and "The Way I Are" off Timbaland's second solo album.[5]In 2007, Danja produced "Gimme More" for Britney Spears, as well as "Break the Ice" and five other tracks for her Blackout album. The following year, he produced "Kill the Lights" and four other songs for Britney Spears' album Circus, but only three songs appeared on the album.His works in recent years include, Madonna, "4 Minutes", Mariah Carey on her song "Migrate" from E=MC², Keri Hilson on her song "Knock You Down" from In a Perfect World..., P!nk on her song "Sober" from Funhouse.
In 2007, Danja produced "Gimme More" for Britney Spears, as well as "Break the Ice" and five other tracks for her Blackout album. The following year, he produced "Kill the Lights" and four other songs for Britney Spears' album Circus, but only three songs appeared on the album.
His works in recent years include, Madonna, "4 Minutes", Mariah Carey on her song "Migrate" from E=MC², Keri Hilson on her song "Knock You Down" from In a Perfect World..., P!nk on her song "Sober" from Funhouse.
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
yeah danja = blackout-era britney = high hopes on my end
― ban opinions (reddening), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 23:01 (twelve years ago) link
the video exists. it is dumb
Alex Macpherson@alex_macpherson Alex MacphersonMIA never disappoints, does she RT @saharailyas: LOL @FatimaAlQadiri just called the new you know who video 'Arab Spring for Topshop'3 hours ago via UberSocial for BlackBerry
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 3 February 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
I love the video
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 3 February 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
tbh i would be quite happy if the video just consisted of the bit where she's dressed in black in front of the bonfire for the entire length of the track. she is stunning.
― pandemic, Friday, 3 February 2012 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
whereas I was hoping for a continuous shot of her chilling on the side of the car while it's up on two wheels
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 3 February 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
that was p cool tbf
― pandemic, Friday, 3 February 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
VIdeo fer the lazy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uYs0gJD-LE
― Moka, Friday, 3 February 2012 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
lol and the screenshot for the vid is DJP's fav bit!
― pandemic, Friday, 3 February 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
The video is great. Wonder why noone thought of making a music video of people doing the two wheel stunt before.
It reminds me of Beyonce's 'run the world' but this one is actually fun to watch and it probably was 1/20 of the production costs of Beyonce.
― Moka, Friday, 3 February 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
genuinely surprised people love it. it looks like an advert to me
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 3 February 2012 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
Adverts can be fun to watch.
― Moka, Friday, 3 February 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
Also crosspost from the Madonna thread. MIA as a cheerleader... her contribution is pretty much null but she looks great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=cItHOl5LRWg
― Moka, Friday, 3 February 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
Wonder why noone thought of making a music video of people doing the two wheel stunt before
is this a joke
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 February 2012 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
hey, that's kind of fun. silly, but fun. chorus reminds me strongly of the dandy warhols' "bohemian like you", but that's okay, i love that song.
― adolf jingle balls (contenderizer), Friday, 3 February 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
(speaking of the madonna song/vid)
ugh this is embarassing. would have preferred ZZ Top cover.
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 February 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
(wrong thread)
― adolf jingle balls (contenderizer), Friday, 3 February 2012 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
anyway, the bad girls video is fantastic. <3 the song, too.
― adolf jingle balls (contenderizer), Friday, 3 February 2012 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier)
Why would it be... it's visually impressive. When you talk about the video you say oh yeah it's the one that does the two wheel thing. And you get great stills like the frozen frame in the video.
― Moka, Friday, 3 February 2012 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
I'm positive I've seen that stunt in other hip hop videos is all
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 February 2012 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
neon car is awes. do worry about those guys shoes though.
― adolf jingle balls (contenderizer), Friday, 3 February 2012 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
tilt ride the whip
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 3 February 2012 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
Love the video because it's a continuation of what she does best (besides music). Trolling. It's 2 Fast 2 Furious: Orientalism Edition but after the panning MAYA got, consensus was 'quit with the politics and noise and just make more global pop hitz.' Et voila.
I dunno. I remain convinced that she knows what she's doing and laughing her ass off the whole time.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 3 February 2012 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
she prob does, but the music can still be terrible
― J0rdan S., Friday, 3 February 2012 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
Arab Spring for Top Shop is hilarious tho.
I mean. Oil barrels! Women driving! Hijabs! Bling! Swag!
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 3 February 2012 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
For sure. I was just talking about the video. The song isn't bad. Don't know if I love it or not. I was hoping for something a bit less rote/well-trod, especially after stuff like Space and Tell Me Why and Born Free and Teqkilla but it might grow on me.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 3 February 2012 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
after the panning MAYA got,
is that the general consensus? I kinda love the album myself
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 February 2012 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
Ditto. I was disappointed on first listen, but it quickly grew on me. And the VickiLeekcx mixtape was even better.
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 3 February 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
MAYA was pretty much stomped on by most critics, yeah
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 3 February 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
me too! MAYA's far and away my favorite MIA album. except for piracy funds terrorism, but maybe that doesn't count.
^ this. love the shit out of that video, way more than the song itself, which is good but kind of a retrenchment. she is trolling HARD tho.
― adolf jingle balls (contenderizer), Friday, 3 February 2012 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
I love MAYA, but it mostly got panned by critics in the bigger venues - newspapers, bigger music sites, etc. etc.
That + truffle fries, etc.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 3 February 2012 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
Honestly, I wish Bad Girls was a little bit more in the direction that MAYA and the rest of Vicki Leekx were going. The song feels a little safe by comparison.
It's the video that makes it knowing for me, and more than a rote KALA retread.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 3 February 2012 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
if she was gonna retread kala couldn't she at least have retrod "hussel" or "bamboo banga" rather than the dodgy timbaland track
(i don't hate the song but it's not exactly demanding to be heard again)
(god "hussel" is her peak 4 real though)
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 3 February 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
now that I will OTM without reservation
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 3 February 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
Hussel is fucking astounding. Up there with Amazon and 10 Dollar.
Actually, that entre run of KALA's first five tracks is pretty much perfect.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 3 February 2012 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
honestly I can (and usually do) skip "Jimmy" without reservation or regret
"$20" and "XR2" later on totally make up for it and more, though
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 3 February 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
"world town" is the best track on KALA imo
― DO NOT CALL (The Brainwasher), Friday, 3 February 2012 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
well, there is one track towards the end that's pretty good. forget what it's called though.
― adolf jingle balls (contenderizer), Friday, 3 February 2012 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
she looks amazingly gorge for 37 don't she?
― piscesx, Friday, 3 February 2012 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
She's 37 for real? Yeah, she does.
At any rate, I unsurprisingly love this.
― lag∞n affiliated (The Reverend), Friday, 3 February 2012 23:15 (twelve years ago) link
the video is so great. the whole thing has an amazing swagger and style !the song itself was good and still is but I find the extra part doesn't bring much to was was already there and by the end it gets a bit boring.still, this could and should be a huge hit !
― AlXTC from Paris, Saturday, 4 February 2012 01:11 (twelve years ago) link
to what was
I will be amazed if this is a hit
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Saturday, 4 February 2012 02:18 (twelve years ago) link
well, my "pop instinct" (whatever that means !) hasn't been that excited by a song (thanks to its video) for a long time and from the first reactions on youtube, FB, etc, there might be a big buzz starting... we'll see !
― AlXTC from Paris, Saturday, 4 February 2012 10:11 (twelve years ago) link
The video's gorgeous ("2 Fast 2 Furious: Orientalism Edition" is exactly what i like from her) but the song's so dull and repetitious. I'm not disappointed by it bcz by now my expectations are pretty low but it's not exactly exciting, is it.
― marcus junius ubiquitus (c sharp major), Saturday, 4 February 2012 12:28 (twelve years ago) link
I just watched the new madonna MIA/NM video on youtube and it has about 3 million hits since Feb 2 and bad girls has around 1 million since the same day : so MIA has 1/3 of the success of a new madonna's single, not too bad !
― AlXTC from Paris, Saturday, 4 February 2012 14:52 (twelve years ago) link
if only either of them were worth getting excited over
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Saturday, 4 February 2012 15:00 (twelve years ago) link
no way will it be a hit. i like it though.
hard for me to separate out my 'objective' feelings about the video with my feelings that MIA is a total babe
― max, Saturday, 4 February 2012 15:05 (twelve years ago) link
well, I haven't cared for madonna for a long time and this track won't change that (MIA is not doing anything special in it and Minaj is cool). but the bad girls package is great ! although this version doesn't add much to the mixtape one, at least it's properly released. It would have been a shame to let that track without giving it a chance as a single.
― AlXTC from Paris, Saturday, 4 February 2012 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
no way will it be a hit.
there should be a "I love bets" !
― AlXTC from Paris, Saturday, 4 February 2012 15:10 (twelve years ago) link
i was talking about the MIA track fwiw but i dont think either one will be a hit
― max, Saturday, 4 February 2012 15:12 (twelve years ago) link
arguing over whether a new pop song will be "a hit" is the most boring boring thing to do or see, leave that to fora like popjustice
they may well both be hits but even if that's the case they will still both be mediocre songs
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Saturday, 4 February 2012 15:16 (twelve years ago) link
says you !
― AlXTC from Paris, Saturday, 4 February 2012 15:20 (twelve years ago) link
or do you have an objective scientific quality meter ?
and the "will it be a hit" question is not serious... just about being enthusiastic over something and wanting the most people to know about it !
― AlXTC from Paris, Saturday, 4 February 2012 15:23 (twelve years ago) link
weirdly she's possibly the 'biggest' most famous female pop star of the last 10 years to have so few real hits in fact http://www.everyhit.com/searchsec.php
it's weird. most of her fans DL em for free i guess.
― piscesx, Saturday, 4 February 2012 15:30 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, I guess it's because the demographic of her "fanbase" is not the same as the other female popstars (maybe older, alt whatever...).
― AlXTC from Paris, Saturday, 4 February 2012 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Saturday, 4 February 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
it's weird. most of her fans DL em for free i guess
her pretend-terrorist branding struck a flaw when she called her mixtape "Piracy Funds Terrorism" I guess
― boxedjoy, Saturday, 4 February 2012 23:47 (twelve years ago) link
great video
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 5 February 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
Finally saw the video and love it. It still sounds like a slow down Boyz or clunky Come Around. I'm sure the cultural/feminist blogs will all be in a teezy about it.
― Tired of these edcuated basic bitches. (lilsoulbrother), Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
more like feminazi
― max, Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
ok I would not go that far in calling them that.
― Tired of these edcuated basic bitches. (lilsoulbrother), Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
All car ads should look like that, really.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 5 February 2012 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
Finally saw the video and love it. It still sounds like a slow down Boyz or clunky Come Around
i had no idea "come around" could be MORE clunky
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Sunday, 5 February 2012 23:03 (twelve years ago) link
video is hot
― Chris S, Sunday, 5 February 2012 23:12 (twelve years ago) link
video is cool. song is alright. wish she'd released "super tight" if she wanted to release a song from vicki leekx.
― DO NOT CALL (The Brainwasher), Sunday, 5 February 2012 23:17 (twelve years ago) link
wtf are you all like re: the video
stop watching adverts
it's shot so boringly
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Sunday, 5 February 2012 23:18 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe you should start enjoying cars
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 6 February 2012 01:49 (twelve years ago) link
it's Janet's breast all over again!
http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/game-on/2012/02/05/mia2x-wide-community.jpg
― piscesx, Monday, 6 February 2012 02:10 (twelve years ago) link
Thanks a lot MIA, now we'll be back to "safe" fogey bands for the next decade.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 02:32 (twelve years ago) link
It's shot so boringly -- Pauline Kael
― max, Monday, 6 February 2012 03:04 (twelve years ago) link
Video looks great but it's got some issues with ~~imperialism~~ and ~~orientlaism~~~
― max, Monday, 6 February 2012 03:06 (twelve years ago) link
trolling and trollingism
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Monday, 6 February 2012 03:20 (twelve years ago) link
(fingers crossed for Up With People next year)
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 6 February 2012 03:32 (twelve years ago) link
Don Henley is already checking out hotel availability...
― frogbs, stills, and nash (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 February 2012 03:34 (twelve years ago) link
I'd be pissed if MIA hadn't done that...
― flog this poster for moderation (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 6 February 2012 03:47 (twelve years ago) link
I'm predicting some sort of combination of Bon Jovi, U2, The Eagles, The Rolling Stones, and Springsteen for the next five years.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 03:50 (twelve years ago) link
Haha, actually I just googled it and there is a FB petition to get Bon Jovi for next year.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 03:51 (twelve years ago) link
:D
― markers, Monday, 6 February 2012 03:51 (twelve years ago) link
if Bon Jovi plays at halftime, I'm going to temporarily leave the country for the 30 minutes of halftime.
― frogbs, stills, and nash (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 February 2012 03:55 (twelve years ago) link
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if it actually happens, I mean they've got all sorts of current country radio love now don't they?
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 03:56 (twelve years ago) link
Bring back Carol Channing.
― henry s, Monday, 6 February 2012 03:58 (twelve years ago) link
it would make sense because his popularity hasn't really waned at all in the Rock Band/Guitar Hero era so people would go nuts for it...but not me.
― frogbs, stills, and nash (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 February 2012 03:58 (twelve years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/news/45331-watch-mia-gives-the-super-bowl-the-finger/
0_o
― piscesx, Monday, 6 February 2012 11:32 (twelve years ago) link
props to the smudger who got this
http://www.billboard.com/photos/stylus/1593469-mia-finger-super-bowl-617-409.jpg
― piscesx, Monday, 6 February 2012 11:52 (twelve years ago) link
how incredibly rebellious and punk rock of her
rmde at anyone impressed by this
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Monday, 6 February 2012 12:06 (twelve years ago) link
OMG didn't she know there were children watching?
― StanM, Monday, 6 February 2012 12:18 (twelve years ago) link
― valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 6 February 2012 14:48 (twelve years ago) link
http://i39.tinypic.com/bg19w.gif
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 6 February 2012 15:08 (twelve years ago) link
What's extra annoying about last night's event is that M.I.A. doesn't need these cheap ploys to up her visibility, even when the stage design and costuming is best described as "GoldenPalace.com." After all, she released her first great single in years just last Thursday, and its music video had already racked up more than 3 million YouTube views even before the Super Bowl send-up. Following the rep-shattering press surrounding 2010's /\/\/\Y/\, it wouldn't be the worst idea to draw as much focus as possible back to her music.
Instead, in the few bars Madonna was kind enough to grant her during the biggest television event of the year, M.I.A.'s message to America was simply, "Fuck you." Well, in M.I.A.'s own words, the little people will never win, but they can fuck shit up. Success might be the best revenge, but apparently, being an asshole is forever.
god i wish schreiber would bless us with more opinion pieces like this
― da croupier, Monday, 6 February 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
lol I didn't even notice her flipping the bird
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 6 February 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
they are going to ban all women of color from the Superbowl halftime show, aren't they
i haven't seen such shocking behavior since that dog fucked around with that dude's bag of doritos during that first half commercial.
― omar little, Monday, 6 February 2012 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
M.I.A.'s message to America was simply, "Fuck you." Well, in M.I.A.'s own words, the little people will never win, but they can fuck shit up
i can't tell whether this is sarcastic or not
the coverage given to this and the words shat out about it, i.can.not.
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Monday, 6 February 2012 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
it bums me out we don't get more reminders that pitchfork is run by a guy who gets offended when people don't show proper gratitude for getting to be part of a half-time show
― da croupier, Monday, 6 February 2012 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
"NBC fumbled and the NFL lied because a performer known as M.I.A. felt it necessary to flip off millions of families," Winter said. "It is unfortunate that a spectacular sporting event was overshadowed once again by broadcasting the selfish acts of a desperate performer."
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2012/02/mia-super-bowl-finger.html
lmfao
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 6 February 2012 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
A simple apology rings hollow after yet another slap in the face to families
good fucking god what is this. clearly not enough slaps in the face have gone round
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Monday, 6 February 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
these people, despite the terrifying amount of power they wield, are still some of the funniest fucking people
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 6 February 2012 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
it's true, I have heard about this three times today but I've only heard who won the super bowl once.
― valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 6 February 2012 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
Just wait until this shifts to the "M.I.A. is a terrorist" narrative that is already being teased in some corners. Heard a local deejay this morning say he "looked her up online" and saw that she is "a terrorist's daughter" with "dangerous political leanings".
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
wait till they find out what the f in lmfao is
― da croupier, Monday, 6 February 2012 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
so the M.I.A.-free mix of "Give Me All Your Luvin" will be hitting the airwaves by tomorrow?
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 6 February 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
Heard a local deejay this morning say he "looked her up online" and saw that she is "a terrorist's daughter" with "dangerous political leanings".
maya's finger = a parody of janet's breast
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Monday, 6 February 2012 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
TS: obnoxious but ineffectual and meaningless gesture vs. hyperexaggerated indignance
MIA and The American Television Viewing Family are like a dysfunctional couple that deserve each other.
― happiness is the new productivity (Hurting 2), Monday, 6 February 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
in the end, the world will just become nothing but trolls trolling each other
― omar little, Monday, 6 February 2012 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
oh this is gonna get good isn't it
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 February 2012 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
bill oreilly about to reopen trufflefrygate investigation
― dead precedents politics as usual (Hunt3r), Monday, 6 February 2012 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
why is this more controversial than the giants' incredibly-poor-sportsman-like last minute ass touchdown...america is terrible
― the arm (NZA), Monday, 6 February 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
ass touch what?
― some dude, Monday, 6 February 2012 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
A$$ (Touchdown)
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 February 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
the action and the response seem to be matching up nicely in terms of stupidity
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 6 February 2012 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
Waiting for gif of California cop pepper-spraying M.I.A.'s finger.
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 6 February 2012 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
its not some grand act of rebellion, but it is imo kinda funny, jus a lil fu
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 February 2012 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
like that the dancing in the background is perfectly acceptable to these peoplehttps://i.minus.com/iDC5wPG3PVaEN.gif
― john terje (cozen), Monday, 6 February 2012 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
she delivered it w/the right sort of zest, its more taunting than raging
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 February 2012 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
Lol @ nza's post (unless its for real, in which case wtf)
― Xerox of Fate, Monday, 6 February 2012 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
oh is that what that horiz video fuzz-out was about?? i didn't notice this when it happened
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Monday, 6 February 2012 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
Isn't there profanity in her verse, too? An "I don't give a shit?"
Anyway, I don't give a shit.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 6 February 2012 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
people love talking about this chick jesus
― D-40, Monday, 6 February 2012 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
100+new answers u_u
why is this more controversial than the giants' incredibly-poor-sportsman-like last minute ass touchdown...america is terrible everywhere
― the arm (NZA), Monday, February 6, 2012 2:23 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― happiness is the new productivity (Hurting 2), Monday, 6 February 2012 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, its almost as if she might have done something recently to get people to talk about her again.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
had no idea MIA was jesus
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 February 2012 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, February 6, 2012 2:24 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah its almost as if its something completely stupid
― D-40, Monday, 6 February 2012 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
Of course its stupid, thats what half the posts itt are saying!
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
the super bowl is the biggest musical event in the country, shocking that people would talk about it
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 February 2012 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
deej is the guy that walked up to the water cooler at work this morning and was all, "idgi, why are you guys talking about commericals"?
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
eh I agree with deej, this is such a NON-CONTROVERSY it just feels like people are talking about it because they love to argue about & be offended by M.I.A. or whatever. it's so dumb.
― DO NOT CALL (The Brainwasher), Monday, 6 February 2012 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
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― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 6 February 2012 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
like if she showed the world her penis I could understand talking about it.
If you guys took the time to read the thread, people have mostly been saying that the general public's reaction to this is stupid too. Its not like we've been sitting here all day saying, "OMG that transgressive Maya is soooo punk rock".
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
man, when M.I.A. flipped off the baby Jesus that was soooooooooooo punk rock
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 6 February 2012 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
this is maybe projecting a little bit, but i think people in this thread are dreading the oncoming rush of establishment (and esp right-wing) media going through the news cycle on "who is MIA?" when ilxor-types are like, BDDT
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Monday, 6 February 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
The whole thing does kind of exemplify mainstream culture's completely batshit schizo relationship with *obscenity*. I mean ffs you have MADONNA and NICKI MINAJ up there and a bunch of dancers doing all kinds of crotch thrusts and whatnot (not to mention homoerotic spartans or w/e that was but at least that's probably too subtle for the kids to pick up on), yet a hand gesture known to the average first grader is what sets people off.
― happiness is the new productivity (Hurting 2), Monday, 6 February 2012 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.acronymgeek.com/BDDT
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 6 February 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
Building Debris Disposal Trench <- My fave
― o. nate, Monday, 6 February 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
this chick jesus [Started by b00bz (god) in January 0000, last updated 9 seconds ago by I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP)] 137 new answers
― some dude, Monday, 6 February 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
This is America for you. Remember this is a culture that has absolutely no problem with hundreds of hours of crime-show television with graphic depictions of death and torture, but freaks the fuck out at the nearest suggestion of a female nipple.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
It seems like kind of a juvenile stunt, but who knows, maybe it was some kind of commentary on the Super Bowl as an ur-text of American culture. Probably people outside of the US are in a better place to get the joke.
― o. nate, Monday, 6 February 2012 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i kind of feel you guys, but on the other hand, why did she do it? it's a blatantly cynical sales maneuver
like, i'll be the first one to say that 'dont disturb the conservative americans over nothing' is a dumb position when it comes to, like, a nipple or homophobia, where a part of someone's either biological or self-determined identity is being called into question, but this was such a blatant & unnecessary trolljob from an artist it seemed like we'd finally agreed just to ignore
― D-40, Monday, 6 February 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
ha what are you smoking
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 6 February 2012 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
giving the middle finger at a time and place when it's guaranteed to get a big reaction is really way too simple to dress up as a 'commentary' or even a 'joke'
― some dude, Monday, 6 February 2012 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
trolling is intrinsic to her artistic persona
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 February 2012 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
hundreds of tumblr essays later about how gender and race and politics enter into a self-aggrandizing troll throwing up the finger, where we all agree fox news is dumb, and the cycle starts all over again blah blah
― D-40, Monday, 6 February 2012 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
an artist it seemed like we'd finally agreed just to ignore
also sounds like a bunch of us all really liked her last record so what do you mean "we" white man etc
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 February 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
hey, if you're going to make an empty gesture futilely grasping at the concept of "rebellion," a madonna performance is the place to do it
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 6 February 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
i thought it was funny. don't see why so many itt are butthurt about the stupid.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Monday, 6 February 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
if anyone is enacting a rote 'what i would say on any MIA thread' role here it's deej
― some dude, Monday, 6 February 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
im not complaining about specific ilx posts here al
― D-40, Monday, 6 February 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Monday, February 6, 2012 2:54 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i was going to say, 'we'll see how funny it is when your tumblr dashboard is overcome w/ people using this event as an excuse to write lazy essays abt ~what this means~ in terms of gender race culture economics & society' & then i realized who i was talking to
― D-40, Monday, 6 February 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
your first problem is that you have a tumblr dashboard
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 6 February 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
if you HAVE a tumblr dashboard to get offended about that's problem #1 really
lol xpost
― some dude, Monday, 6 February 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
flag posts
― john terje (cozen), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
if she was trying to be funny/make a point she should have pulled down the front of her shirt but instead of flashing a nip she has a dilbert cartoon taped to her boob
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:04 (twelve years ago) link
idk i just wish the artists we (meaning, those of us in this broad media bubble) chose to spend so much time arguing abt & having firm opinions on were releasing worthwhile music, that MIA track that just came out sounds like a timbo b-side from 2002
― D-40, Monday, 6 February 2012 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
people in this thread are making me like the fact that she gave the finger
― max, Monday, 6 February 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
oh my god n/a
"You know, I really hadn't given too much thought to the bloodshed in Syria until M.I.A. showed her Dilbert-covered boob during the Superbowl halftime show. Now everything has been put in a clearer perspective."
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
Tbh, a timbo b-side from 2002 is better than half of what I hear on the radio in February 2012.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
you have to admit it would have been funnier at least
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
dilbert's hilarious
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
this also happening right in the wake of the 8 millionth lana del rey think piece is also what just makes me think 'here we go again' & just not want to look at the internet for a hundred years
― D-40, Monday, 6 February 2012 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
glad i could be of service max. enjoy the ensuing 'controversy'
― D-40, Monday, 6 February 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
but you can read dilbert on the internet!
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
Hey deej, you do know you don't actually have to read all 8 million LDR thinkpieces, right? Its pretty easy to ignore if you try!
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
idk i just wish the artists we (meaning, those of us in this broad media bubble) chose to spend so much time arguing abt & having firm opinions on were releasing worthwhile music artists that deej personally enjoys
― Suede - the fabric, not the band (DL), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
shouldve gone for the double bird, more provocative imho
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 February 2012 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
no one is talking about this b/c of her music dude xp
― D-40, Monday, 6 February 2012 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
fwiw the extent of my engagement with Lana Del Rey has been limited to my casual acknolwedgment of her ILM thread's tendency to stay at the top of the New Answers pile.
iow yeah dude it isn't that hard
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
xp Just bored now of people (not just you) complaining about the big online discussions. Turn off your fucking Tumblr dashboard, put on a record you like and go and read a book. Nobody's forcefeeding you.
― Suede - the fabric, not the band (DL), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
it's a shitty Madonna song that she got like two bars on, who cares?
there is plenty of discussion of her new single upthread fyi
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
― Suede - the fabric, not the band (DL), Monday, February 6, 2012 3:12 PM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you're right -- also thinking of moving to a wood cabin & never interacting with anyone again
― D-40, Monday, 6 February 2012 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
enjoy!
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
to oj da juiceman, forever ago
― some dude, Monday, 6 February 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
irl lol
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
idk why everyone here is disagreeing w/ me about this, seems fairly commonsense& not out of line what w/ others in the thread are saying
― D-40, Monday, 6 February 2012 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you, actually! You just kind of kicked into the thread wondering why we were talking about MIA and then proceeded to say pretty much what other people were already saying.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
other than al liking to disagree w/ me about anything at all ever b/c he is basically a troll
― D-40, Monday, 6 February 2012 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
i sympathize w/ deej's fatigue and this is such a dumb thing esp while she was all dressed up as part of madonna's dumb cheerleader brigade but i don't think ppl ever agreed to or wanted to ignore her... her last album was more divisive than derided, i think
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 February 2012 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
dying @ al
to be fair to MIA (lol) i am putting a bit of the lana del rey thinkpiece exhaustion on her for trying to whirl up some more absurd inanity
― D-40, Monday, 6 February 2012 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
deej nutz
― john terje (cozen), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Monday, February 6, 2012 3:18 PM (51 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
however you managed to make it so that im considered the #1 oj da juiceman stan when you were the one who enthused abt his career prospects so heavily i'll never understand
you can't say hilarious shit like i was going to say, 'we'll see how funny it is when your tumblr dashboard is overcome w/ people using this event as an excuse to write lazy essays abt ~what this means~ in terms of gender race culture economics & society' & then i realized who i was talking to and expect us all to just stand on the sidelines and say NOTHING, come on now
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
i don't know but it was a funny joke
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 February 2012 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
― D-40, Monday, February 6, 2012 12:58 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you're saying there's an essay in this?
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
the culture of long & unnecessary handwringing essays on tumblr is really a whole separate discussion
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 February 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
that doesn't need to happen, but just for the record
oh no, it's happening
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
*flips bird*
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 February 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
GUYS...
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
WORLD PEACE
just chill out for a sec...
W O R L D P E A C E
http://loft965.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/mia-gives-the-i-dont-give-a-shit-finger-during-give-me-all-your-luv-superbowl.gif
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
give-a-shit-finger
― some dude, Monday, 6 February 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
i'm more interested in whether everyone else felt embarrassed as i did for her to be dressed up in a cheerleader outfit and relegated to being one of madonna's back up dancers
the whole thing is bizarre and not in the way i guess she was intending?
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 February 2012 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
half cheerleaders, half extras from the "remember the time" video
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Monday, February 6, 2012 4:29 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
epitaph for her career
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 February 2012 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
j/k luv u maya
btw maxs FAQ is p funny http://gawker.com/5882616/the-non-music-fans-guide-to-mia-from-truffle-fries-to-her-new-video
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 February 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
lol g/j max
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
yes v nice!
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
fyi deej we've also been talking about madonna, d'angelo, pj harvey, leonard cohen, john talabot and many more artists this week. take your pick!
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
thanks folks, share with all your friends who have not been to gawker in the last 30 days
― max, Monday, 6 February 2012 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
max, you are a hero for that link to the worst thing written about the finger
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
dan are you familiar with the work of bonnie fuller
https://twitter.com/#!/bonniefuller
greatest tweeter/blogger of all time
― max, Monday, 6 February 2012 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
BonnieFuller Bonnie Fuller#superbowl: wow! Both these teams layed so well!18 hours ago
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
we've also spent some time discussing destroyer and dan bejar iirc
― omar little, Monday, 6 February 2012 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
oh my god
I am going out tonight, this will make excellent post-drinks reading
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
BonnieFuller Bonnie Fuller#superbowl: what amazg ad Budweaiser ad: great Time Are Always Waitg- Bring Some Buds- The Cure song!
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
Is it cool to like M.I.A.?
I would estimate that M.I.A. is in around the 95th percentile of "cool," which means that, basically, if you have to ask this question, yes, she is cool as far as you are concerned.
love this
― sleeve, Monday, 6 February 2012 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
The comments on Fuller's post are much better writers.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
not a finga!
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Monday, 6 February 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
9 years since galang.... fffffffff
― john terje (cozen), Monday, 6 February 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ yahoo news photohttp://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/cbkliYg07qe2902fKkaA7Q--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTMxMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/ymusic-stop-the-presses/mia-bd3.jpg
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 00:29 (twelve years ago) link
Q-bert's gonna be mad pissed at her for stealing that
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 00:32 (twelve years ago) link
I still in no way understand what she is wearing
― valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 01:40 (twelve years ago) link
y'all do have to admit that it would be fucking hilarious if she had to end up paying the FCC 500k or something
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 7 February 2012 07:58 (twelve years ago) link
so surprising from a singer who's just released a song title "bad girls" !easy move and huge publicity for her. all win !
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 11:07 (twelve years ago) link
lol at anyone riled up by this in any way
― lag∞n affiliated (The Reverend), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 14:37 (twelve years ago) link
It's not exactly "Jarvis' Arse" is it?
― Mark G, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 14:45 (twelve years ago) link
I let my son stay up past his bedtime to participate in a great American tradition, and I have to say I was pretty appalled at what we saw on the Super Bowl broadcast tumblr dashboard
― some dude, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 14:58 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/m-i-a-splits-fiance-benjamin-bronfman-family-scene-article-1.1018258?pgno=1
― max, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 14:59 (twelve years ago) link
the bonus is that the last paragraph of the article appears to be an email one of the reporters sent to his/her editor
Ben Bronfman and MIA have broken up. He told someone she lives in London and he and their son, Ikid are here. Another source told me she sometimes goes six weeks without seeing the little boy. Also, Ben was at the Schomburg in Harlem last week with what seemed to onlookers like a date,a very pretty black girl.
― max, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 15:00 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, forgot to change "someone" to "Sources close to Ben say that"...
― Mark G, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 15:01 (twelve years ago) link
who wrote that, someone's 15-year-old cousin
xp: lol of course you're already all over that
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 15:02 (twelve years ago) link
is MIA gonna get half?
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 7 February 2012 15:03 (twelve years ago) link
tbf, she has pulled off the perfect coup: successfully reproduced, made sure her kid is well-off financially, and could even come back later in life to sponge off him.
― valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 15:04 (twelve years ago) link
i want half *bang bang bang bang*
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 15:05 (twelve years ago) link
half an engagement ring?
― some dude, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 15:05 (twelve years ago) link
haaaaaalf
― valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 15:10 (twelve years ago) link
WE WANT PRENUP
― lag∞n affiliated (The Reverend), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 15:13 (twelve years ago) link
MIA should get married to Nicki Minaj
― flog this poster for moderation (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 15:54 (twelve years ago) link
someone pointed out that ben bronfman's sister is "a very pretty black girl"
― max, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
cheating AND incest! this story just keeps getting better!
― some dude, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
And an ... anchor baby!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
ugh not even in jest
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, don't mention it to those conservative nuts already in a tizzy over this militant brown-skinned person with visa issues they'd never heard of until Sunday.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
china girl grew up to be a big girlhad her sights set on a bigger worlddial-a-bride from sri lankafound herself a yorkshire bankerneed a visa, got with a geezerneed some money, paid him with a knees-upa year later, started to ease upgot her own way, shouted out see ya
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
i just checked foxnews entertainment out of curiosity and the top story is about lana del rey
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
lol lex OTM
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
i used to work on the website for a certain magazine bonnie fuller used to edit, back in the mists of time. she insisted that all email correspondence be printed out and couriered to her once a week!
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
shes a national treasure, frankly
― max, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, February 7, 2012 11:32 AM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― D-40, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
Drugs OTM
― Raymond Cummings, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
ha lex
― lag∞n affiliated (The Reverend), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
Those lyrics Lex posted reminded me there was a time when MIA was awesome and not just a tedious attention seeker.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
those things aren't mutually exclusive in my world (lex's either, I suspect)
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
lol "Ten Dollar" is one of the Arular songs I always skip
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
ha posting those lyrics did remind me how much i love "10 dollar"
MIA POX
10 dollarhusselbucky done gun (dj marlboro funk carioca mix)amazongalangbamboo bangasunshowers (diplo mix)uraqtbird flupull up the people
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:35 (twelve years ago) link
bucky done gun (dj marlboro funk carioca mix)
THIS THIS THIS THIS.
So fucking good.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:40 (twelve years ago) link
for me it's a POXII:
Bamboo BangaHombreHusselGalangSunshowersLovalotIllygirlBig BranchURAQTAmazonXR2$20
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:41 (twelve years ago) link
I haven't heard that. I feel like this is a grave mistake. xp
― lag∞n affiliated (The Reverend), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:41 (twelve years ago) link
lex u forgot "Space" :)
otherwise much agreement, need to hear that carioca mix
― sleeve, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:42 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB4Zy7HJyLs
Basically the deal, I believe, was that Diplo totally jacked DJ Marlboro's beat for the original Bucky Done Gun, more or less - or at least that was the rumour at the time, and the remix was a way to 'rectify' that or whatever.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:44 (twelve years ago) link
apparently "space" is on the last album? i don't remember anything about maya except how bad the bad bits were. my 11th track that got kicked off the final 10 was "hit that".
remembering mia's best songs is a handy way of realising how unexciting her new one is.
slays the original (which they nicked off a dj marlboro beat in the first place)
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:46 (twelve years ago) link
ha xp
i like that song "Paper Planes"
― Number None, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
this is not going to change your mind lex but Maya mostly kills, it's just the three sluggish songs on the middle ("It Takes A Muscle", "ItIz What It Iz", to a lesser degree "Story To Be Told") that make it seem interminable
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:49 (twelve years ago) link
Hmmm, that's cool but I don't think I like it as much as the original. "Bucky" is probably my favorite M.I.A. song, though.
― lag∞n affiliated (The Reverend), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:20 (twelve years ago) link
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, February 7, 2012 6:49 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This, except the only one that I find sluggish/interminable is It Iz What It Iz.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 02:56 (twelve years ago) link
impressive fact from her WikiShe is the only artist in history to be nominated for an Academy Award, Grammy Award, Brit Award, Mercury Prize and Alternative Turner Prize.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 03:26 (twelve years ago) link
less impressive if anyone else was nominated for all of those except whatever 'alternative tuner' is
― some dude, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 03:35 (twelve years ago) link
U2 has been nominated for all but the "alternative turner prize"
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 8 February 2012 03:39 (twelve years ago) link
man if u2 isnt alt enough 4u i dont even know
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 03:40 (twelve years ago) link
yeah but i'd kind of expect that from the likes of U2 cause they've been around since forever. pretty impressive from someone with a short career like MIA's i'd say.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 05:16 (twelve years ago) link
I s'spect the Alt-Turner Prize is related to the Turner Prize, i.e., an art prize.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 05:30 (twelve years ago) link
Sting has also been nominated for all but the Alt-Turner, btw.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 05:41 (twelve years ago) link
Maya mostly kills, it's just the three sluggish songs on the middle ("It Takes A Muscle", "ItIz What It Iz", to a lesser degree "Story To Be Told") that make it seem interminable
This, except the exact opposite. If DJP and I divided up MAYA it would be the most harmonious settlement ever.
― Suede - the fabric, not the band (DL), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 15:10 (twelve years ago) link
i don't know why entertainers strive for the EGOT instead of the EGOTAT
― unworthy of singing thrash metal at this point in time (some dude), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 15:17 (twelve years ago) link
anyone can get an EGOTAT after a quick trip to the local strip mall
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 15:20 (twelve years ago) link
SFJ: M.I.A. SHOULDN’T HAVE APOLOGIZED
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2012/02/im-sorry-mia-apologized.html?mbid=gnep&google_editors_picks=true
― o. nate, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
I love how passionate that SFJ piece is. Being on the blog liberates it from that New Yorkerish sense of distance. It reads like an angry fan: "Fuck you, MIA rules!"
― Suede - the fabric, not the band (DL), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
The artist, of course, is M.I.A. About seven years ago, I praised her for several things, including turning the noxious generalization of “world music” into an idea that represents life as it is lived, and affords huge aesthetic possibilities. She made two albums that received all the praise they deserved, and then a third album called “/\/\/\Y/\,” which received a deeply weird and negative review in Pitchfork (unless you think M.I.A. is here only to provide “bangers” and hasn’t already vaulted way past her “potential as a pop artist” many times) and, most damagingly, the worst profile ever written about a musician, in the New York Times Magazine.
except for this one magnetic fields piece i read somewhere once, maybe...
― omar little, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
unless you think M.I.A. is here only to provide “bangers”
And mashups.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
galang
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
Good article but SFJ is completely off if he thinks M.I.A. did it simply as a performance and not a publicity stunt. If flipping the finger was allowed she would've thought of the next 'offensive' thing to do on live tv. She did it because she knew exactly the reactions it would get.
― Moka, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
SFJ OTM RE MIA
great post
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
i feel like people have lost the ability to distinguish between "performance" and "publicity stunt." i mean any 'look at me!' gesture by a professional entertainer/celebrity is what it is, you can just choose to look at it in one light or another as part and parcel of what they do or something unnecessary or sinister or calculated.
― Alshipleyan Goalpostmover (some dude), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
simply as a performance and not a publicity stunt.
these things are not distinct/separate
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
lol xp to some dude
but but MAYBE the apology was the ultimate provocation, makes u think
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
it IS kind of a way to disappoint both sides of the argument
― Alshipleyan Goalpostmover (some dude), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
Did she actually apologize? I know the NFL and NBC did, but I can't find an apology from M.I.A. herself (not even a "I'm sorry you found the gesture offensive" dealie).
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
tour rider: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/mia-2011-backstage-rider-975123
genuinely disappointed there are no truffle fries on that, i thought this girl could troll better
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
She issued a statement about "getting caught up in the moment" iirc.
(xpost)
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
i really think this is NBC or the censors' "fault" to the extent that it matters at all -- i mean it's a live event, with hundreds of people on camera doing unscripted things for hours and hours with millions of viewers watching, and something went wrong on the air in a very high profile way less than 10 years ago. how can they not have some kind of tape delay or guys with lightening fast reflexes in the control room?
― Alshipleyan Goalpostmover (some dude), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:58 (twelve years ago) link
i thought there was tape delay but they missed it (the gesture)
― pandemic, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
the sneaky thing she did was curse and flip the bird simultaneously
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
Right after, there was a weird horizontal pattern on tv for about half a second. Since I missed the birdflip, I assumed it was some technical glitch.
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
well that's what i mean, they shouldn't have missed it! how hard can it be for the single most lucrative annual event on television to hire a guy or two who do nothing but make sure stuff like that doesn't get on the air?
― Alshipleyan Goalpostmover (some dude), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
i kind of believe that she did it spontaneously b/c who would ever have thought something so minor would cause a kerfuffle at all? and it's a pretty natural gesture to make at that point in the song. then again she didn't do it in rehearsals
WHY did my brain spend time thinking those thoughts :(
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
like if you were gonna do a PUBLICITY STUNT for ATTENTION why do something that most people would miss if they blinked?
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
exactly!! i finally rewatched to see the infamous bird and maybe it's just me but she sorta pulls the punch - it's up for like a half second. come on MIA! i'm offended by your lack of commitment!
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
'quality chocolates' - Fererro Rocher! amazing.
no salt and pepper for her mango i note.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
she should've just given the 'v sign' so british viewers would've known she was being offensive but americans would've been like oh how nice a peace sign
― Alshipleyan Goalpostmover (some dude), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
should torn up a photo of the pope
― max, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
or diplo
― Alshipleyan Goalpostmover (some dude), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
always, always tear up a photo of the pope
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
yeah sinéad knew how to cause controversy properly
our standards have fallen since then
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
its too bad tearing up a photo of the pope didnt become a celebrity meme that they all did whenever they were on tv
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
nothing compares to u_u
― Alshipleyan Goalpostmover (some dude), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCOIQOGXOg0
and a week later at some bob dylan concert (?) which just goes to show how conservative and moronic dylan fans are imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4fVxcT00Sc
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
for the record, no she hasn't "apologized".
that was an unnamed source "close to the singer", saying something to some tabloid.
― sean gramophone, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
she should hold a press conference to apologize then tear up a picture of the superbowl trophy
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
she should say rye rye put her up to it because she was pissed about the ravens losing in the playoffs
― Alshipleyan Goalpostmover (some dude), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, my mistake.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
some dude OTM, lol
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
FREE RYE RYE
that albums never coming out, is it
― Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 9 February 2012 12:01 (twelve years ago) link
interesting how neither Madge nor MIA have said owt 'official' either way. clearly 2 ladies who know how to play the meeja game.
― piscesx, Thursday, 9 February 2012 12:29 (twelve years ago) link
damn, bad girls is really a jam
― drop these whiners on a island (Surviver style) (forksclovetofu), Friday, 2 March 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
yes, yes it is
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Friday, 2 March 2012 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
you have inspired me to bump the Vivki Leekx mixtape again
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Friday, 2 March 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
OTM - it sounds like she was able to afford a higher grade of weed circa MAYA. The world doesn't really need MIA doing stoned-out cod-reggae jams though.
― o. nate, Friday, 2 March 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
still love it takes a muscle fuiud
― Totes le Héros (contenderizer), Friday, 2 March 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
^
― marissa explains it all (The Reverend), Friday, 2 March 2012 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj2UfxwwB-Q
― young drometheus (dayo), Monday, 19 March 2012 12:27 (twelve years ago) link
man, that was definitely not not worth the wait
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 19 March 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
at least Lex will be happy
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Monday, 19 March 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
He won't, this is a different German act from the one at the thread beginning.
― if, Monday, 19 March 2012 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
at least it's closer!
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Monday, 19 March 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
http://open.spotify.com/album/1JV2adHIREQSZWTCrn6CbW
this is fucking great
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Friday, 3 August 2012 15:01 (eleven years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/news/52360-mia-fights-back-against-nfls-15-million-fine-for-super-bowl-middle-finger/
― Old Boy In Network (Michael B), Thursday, 19 September 2013 20:48 (ten years ago) link
Now, according to The Hollywood Reporter, M.I.A.'s legal team is planning to "go public with an explanation of how ridiculous it was for the NFL and its fans to devote such furor to this incident," says her lawyer, Howard King, "while ignoring the genocide occurring in her home country and several other countries, topics she frequently speaks to."
-___________________-
― dyl, Thursday, 19 September 2013 21:22 (ten years ago) link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24671871
― badgers moved the goalposts (dowd), Tuesday, 29 October 2013 09:32 (ten years ago) link
She even got help from Wikileaks founder Julian Assange on Attention."I was struggling with this song, trying to write lyrics that contained the word 'tent'," she says."There were only so many on my list - I had about 30. Julian Assange came into the studio and took my computer and basically decrypted the whole of the internet, and downloaded every word in the whole of the language that contained the word tent within it. He gave me, like, 4,000. And I finished the song."He doesn't get a writing credit," she says, "but he gets a thank you".
"I was struggling with this song, trying to write lyrics that contained the word 'tent'," she says.
"There were only so many on my list - I had about 30. Julian Assange came into the studio and took my computer and basically decrypted the whole of the internet, and downloaded every word in the whole of the language that contained the word tent within it. He gave me, like, 4,000. And I finished the song.
"He doesn't get a writing credit," she says, "but he gets a thank you".
He'll get the last laugh when he leaks the album early.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 October 2013 14:08 (ten years ago) link
― dyl, Tuesday, 29 October 2013 16:01 (ten years ago) link
New track:
https://soundcloud.com/miauk/canseecando
― That shit right there is precedented. (cryptosicko), Sunday, 8 March 2015 17:30 (nine years ago) link
not bad!
― Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 8 March 2015 18:35 (nine years ago) link
This is so great!
― gybe horses (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 9 March 2015 17:22 (nine years ago) link
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2015/11/27/1448625960087/31f74e9a-61f9-46d9-81b6-97a6ae8edfdf-bestSizeAvailable.png?w=620&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=174c61bb463dbebdeeb16430aa81914f
This is literally the most predictable thing that has ever happened.
― Matt DC, Friday, 27 November 2015 15:55 (eight years ago) link
Yep. "Borders" video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgCosj_Y9lw
― curmudgeon, Friday, 27 November 2015 17:10 (eight years ago) link
walking on water!
― lex pretend, Saturday, 28 November 2015 12:04 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1dRgYgZ5U0
― Fetty Wap Is Strong In Here (cryptosicko), Saturday, 28 November 2015 12:54 (eight years ago) link
i love/hate the blase-blase trollfaceness of the lyrics
― big WHOIS aka the nameserver (s.clover), Sunday, 29 November 2015 01:43 (eight years ago) link
it's conflicting bc as never-in-doubt as this aesthetic is for m.i.a. it also feels very necessary right now, even filtered through her ego. and it really works as a song. the most coherent, tasteful way to approach the issue, no, but still necessary bc any pro-migrant view in pop culture, mainstream opinion etc is so hard to come by
― lex pretend, Sunday, 29 November 2015 12:05 (eight years ago) link
ego whats up with that
― big WHOIS aka the nameserver (s.clover), Sunday, 29 November 2015 19:59 (eight years ago) link
lex otm
― The Reverend, Sunday, 29 November 2015 20:54 (eight years ago) link
otm whats up with that
― big WHOIS aka the nameserver (s.clover), Sunday, 29 November 2015 20:57 (eight years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/news/66241-afropunk-organizers-defend-mia-keep-her-on-festival-bill/
Organizers announced today that M.I.A. is still headlining Afropunk's London festival despite backlash over comments she made about the Black Lives Matter movement. In a statement, Afropunk wrote, "To us, the fact that M.I.A.'s comments sparked dialogue about a global view of the Black struggle is not a failing," later adding, "The debate is healthy and as people who have long been silenced, we refuse to participate in silencing of other voices." They continued, "We hope that this event also brings to light the experiences of black Brits, immigrants and refugees in the UK, who are continuously erased."
― StillAdvance, Thursday, 23 June 2016 21:10 (seven years ago) link
the new single is very good.
i'd probably still support her if she, say, shot someone in the middle of fifth avenue.
― Treeship, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 19:27 (seven years ago) link
new album out today! Reviews have been mixed but it has some enjoyable moments imo
― art baengels (monotony), Friday, 9 September 2016 01:41 (seven years ago) link
OMG IT'S OUT?!?!?!?!
― laraaji p. henson (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 9 September 2016 01:49 (seven years ago) link
yessssss finally good news in this hellish year
― Treeship, Friday, 9 September 2016 02:07 (seven years ago) link
btw lex this isn't about the German MIA
― Neanderthal, Friday, 9 September 2016 02:10 (seven years ago) link
Bah, I got excited for a bit that it was. I really loved her material back in the day, and I wonder why she hasn't done anything since Bittersüss, which was incredibly dope! And she had to suffer the indignity of some British singer stealing her artist name.
― Tuomas, Friday, 9 September 2016 06:18 (seven years ago) link
Listened to most of this while getting ready this morning and was not feeling it. :/ It's telling when one of the best tracks (Visa) is based around a 'Galang' sample.
― sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Friday, 9 September 2016 16:57 (seven years ago) link
Oh my god this album is so bad that it actually makes me kind of upset
― laraaji p. henson (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 9 September 2016 21:20 (seven years ago) link
For someone who is so risk taking, the dull inoffensive mediocrity of this album is the most disappointing thing she could possibly do, like I would take an over ambitious flop over this any day. What HAPPENED???
― laraaji p. henson (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 9 September 2016 21:22 (seven years ago) link
It's a weird record. Half way through the album she just seems to give up. There's some decent stuff here but it all sounds so unfinished. If this is her last album, it's a weak way to go out.
― Kitchen Person, Friday, 9 September 2016 21:32 (seven years ago) link
It all sounds like half-assed demos of someone else who likes MIA but has never made a record before
― laraaji p. henson (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 9 September 2016 22:17 (seven years ago) link
Also, a complete misuse of the angelic and idiosyncratic voice of Dexta Daps. That could have been anyone.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 9 September 2016 22:29 (seven years ago) link
politics? what's up with that?
― Treeship, Saturday, 10 September 2016 00:18 (seven years ago) link
the people's republic of swaggerstan
She has hinted this might be her last album and that she's not that interested in music anymore, that she wants to explore other mediums. So I guess this is how MIA's music career ends, not with a bang but a whimper.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 12 September 2016 21:35 (seven years ago) link
This is a disappointment after Matangi. The opening two tracks -released weeks before- made me excited for this but this just sounds very half-assed; The production is all over the place and some of these lyrics are terrible even by MIA standards. I really hope this isn't her swan song, would hate for her to leave in such a low note.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 12 September 2016 21:46 (seven years ago) link
my god, every interview or tweet or whatever I've read w/ her abt this album (not to mention all of the recycled lyrics/samples/themes) basically amounts to "I gave up"
― laraaji p. henson (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 14 September 2016 20:23 (seven years ago) link
glad shes doing meltdown. though her interviews with all the nostalgia for 2004 make me worry a bit. lineup is decent. though i expected more non-western artists. no one from south asia? from the middle east? maybe it was just a programming difficulty. still, fun to have giggs, i wayne, dexta daps, etc at royal festival hall, lol.
― StillAdvance, Thursday, 15 June 2017 10:32 (six years ago) link
not 100% sold on dexta daps, though his weeknd+bawdy dancehall combo makes me think he will be fun.
― StillAdvance, Thursday, 15 June 2017 10:37 (six years ago) link
Anyone catch the doc
― ritual showdown (Ross), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 16:20 (five years ago) link
Yeah, it's really good! Guy who did it went to St.Martin's with her and she pretty clearly trusts him 100% which means it's very much her side of the story, but it also means she gives him tons of footage of herself growing up in London, hanging out with Justine Frishmann, going back to Sri Lanka in 2001 and trying to get her family to talk about the war (she wanted to be a doc filmmaker before she became a pop star).
The stuff about her flipping the bird at the Super Bowl feels so surreal to watch, that amount of outrage and pearl clutching decades after the Sex Pistols went on Grundy...I'm not usually one for "huh, America sure is WEIRD" type sentiments but I've seldom felt this alienated from that culture.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 12:23 (five years ago) link
sounds so cool, thanks for the response Daniel
― montoya (Ross), Wednesday, 3 October 2018 17:18 (five years ago) link
The first ILM thread I ever read. Anti-nostalgist that I try to be, I won't read it. I love M.I.A. though.
― I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 02:17 (five years ago) link
Dude, me too! I found this thread in 07 and then became an on and off lurker until loneliness hit in 2K13 and I embarked on a posting career.
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 02:19 (five years ago) link
Looking forward to seeing the doc. Nice piece and rankings. Some days my rankings would be the exact opposite. She's nice like that.
― maffew12, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 02:21 (five years ago) link
Damn, i agree with the list too. MAYA over Matangi.
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 02:22 (five years ago) link
need the documentary
― I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 02:23 (five years ago) link
Arular and Kala are such treasures
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 02:25 (five years ago) link
The doc is interesting. It could use an edit but its a compelling watch.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 29 November 2018 00:49 (five years ago) link
i'm still quite proud of the fact that the first thread about her was started by me, getting her name wrong in the process as there was 0 anywhere about hermya 'gilang'.
― piscesx, Thursday, 29 November 2018 03:15 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTwH7u0PhOw New old song, "Reload"! um....... wow lol.
Documentary's online now! Gonna watch soon
― maffew12, Saturday, 15 December 2018 17:46 (five years ago) link
Loved the documentary, especially the late 90s London stuff.
― piscesx, Saturday, 19 January 2019 04:42 (five years ago) link
yeah I didn't get all the way to the end, but the documentary is great (I saw it on Kanopy). Really makes the case for her as a pretty unique and important figure
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 16:03 (four years ago) link
thanks for the rec, I enjoyed the doc. Some quite candid scenes especially after the super bowl and with Justine Frischmann
― Graham Kendrick Lamar (cajunsunday), Thursday, 7 November 2019 22:29 (four years ago) link
I lol'd long and hard when she called giving the finger at the Superbowl "a spiritual gesture"
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 7 November 2019 22:31 (four years ago) link
this thread isn't about that MIA lol
― ت (jim in vancouver), Friday, 8 November 2019 00:09 (four years ago) link
(to begin with)
― ت (jim in vancouver), Friday, 8 November 2019 00:10 (four years ago) link
there are 30-odd threads about M.I.A. and only two or three about MIA, it's not like it's hard to pick one
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Friday, 8 November 2019 00:21 (four years ago) link
This thread has been about this M.I.A. for 6 years, I’ll be fucked if I’m scrolling through 30 other threads
― Οὖτις, Friday, 8 November 2019 01:13 (four years ago) link
Rapper and singer MIA - real name Mathangi Arulpragasam - with her MBE following an investiture ceremony at Buckingham Palace, London.📷Yui Mok/PA Images - contact us at https://t.co/MQUVTcSboi#MIA #Investitures pic.twitter.com/tt0t43E569— PA Images (@PAImages) January 14, 2020
― steer karma (gyac), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 19:18 (four years ago) link
All royal families should be abolished and locked up, along with all their dumb medals and titles. But if they have to dole them out, then sure, why not one for MIA. Who looks great there btw.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 19:24 (four years ago) link
She always does! State of that fucking Burberry stamp though.
― steer karma (gyac), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 19:24 (four years ago) link
Stamp's a bit much but you're right, she always does :)
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 19:26 (four years ago) link
― don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 22:32 (four years ago) link
And yet :)
(I'd no idea before you mentioned it tbh)
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 22:33 (four years ago) link
it has been about that MIA for years
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 22:33 (four years ago) link
this thread isn't about that MIA lol― ت (jim in vancouver), Friday, November 8, 2019 11:09 AM (two months ago)
― ت (jim in vancouver), Friday, November 8, 2019 11:09 AM (two months ago)
:)
― don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 22:53 (four years ago) link
Gah! :-S MIA shining brightly w/ her dumb spoils blinded me.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 22:59 (four years ago) link
14 of the 3,528 posts in this thread (less than .03%) are about that *other* MIA.
This thread is about M.I.A., no matter what sic says
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 23:07 (four years ago) link
there are 30-odd threads about M.I.A. and only two or three about MIA, it's not like it's hard to pick one― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Friday, November 8, 2019 11:21 AM (two months ago)
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Friday, November 8, 2019 11:21 AM (two months ago)
― don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 23:31 (four years ago) link
I can c+p posts from a couple months ago too
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 23:33 (four years ago) link
This is all very exciting guys but
https://i.imgur.com/3XiKMch.gif
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 23:51 (four years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 23:54 (four years ago) link
https://www.biography.com/.image/t_share/MTIwNjA4NjMzODA4MTI3NTAw/mia-farrow-9292027-1-402.jpg
― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 14:28 (four years ago) link
we created the spinoff thread for the German MIA, preserving the original posts in this thread about her, years ago: MIA aka Michaela Grobelny
― papa stank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 14:39 (four years ago) link
hey can a mod add dots to the title so we can finally stop this pedantry every 6 months
― papa stank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 14:40 (four years ago) link
I don't see how "MIA dots" is going to help anything
― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 14:41 (four years ago) link
― papa stank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 14:45 (four years ago) link
the dots are already MIA
― don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 15:07 (four years ago) link
"MIA..."
― fits, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 15:16 (four years ago) link
This thread combing back with powa powa
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 15:30 (four years ago) link
Is this the thread for M.I.A.? Anyhoo new album OHMNI is out;
https://www.patreon.com/posts/35144818
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 23 March 2020 15:56 (four years ago) link
New song, not new album.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 23 March 2020 15:57 (four years ago) link
No, this thread is for the German techno DJ/producer. The UK artist is called M.I.A. not MIA.
― Tuomas, Monday, 23 March 2020 16:07 (four years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Monday, 23 March 2020 16:09 (four years ago) link
FFS we repurposed this thread like five years ago and split off a new thread for the German producer back then.
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 23 March 2020 16:10 (four years ago) link
MIA
― Οὖτις, Monday, 23 March 2020 16:10 (four years ago) link
And here's the spinoff thread that is absolutely booming with posts:
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 23 March 2020 16:12 (four years ago) link