this is the thread where the ILM massive teach mark s a *LESSON*

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hi i'm mark s and you suck i don't post on ILM as much as a year or two back, bcz it is very extremely time-consuming as much as anything else

anyway, this is the thread where those of you who know me and (equally important) those of you who DON'T post suggestions of songs or records which you think will CHANGE THE WAY I THINK ABOUT EVERYTHING, or anyway some small thing abt something

eg something you think i can't ever have heard, given my ridiculous stances on this or that
or something you think i might have heard but never listened to properly
or whatever
or just things you think i will like, or hate entertainingly, or whatever, it's all good

just cz it's ridiculously famous or canonic, don't assume i've heard it: i am lazy and perverse

give reasons if you like, of a kind to ensnare or madden me, who knows, it might hop you up the queue?

i. if i already own the song/record, i will dig it out and write something abt what i used to think of it/now think of it
ii. if i don't i will try and hunt it down, unless someone wishes to provide it by the magic of the interweb
iii. i am away from tomorrow for a week, which gives us all plenty of time for this dumb idea to vanish to come up with stuff maybe

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(ps you needn't bother with Metal Machine Music, bcz ever since i first posted on ILM i have not been able to find it) (unless you know who i lent it to...)

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:25 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

You can borrow my copy, Mark. Cause I still haven't been allowed to listen to it anywhere, and I can hardly go listening to it at work, now, can I?

kate, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

yes kate but mine is/was on vinyl and it is totally difft apparently :(

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:28 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Intervision" by Jimi Tenor is a fantastic album. It changed my life in a very small, but tangible, way. Have you heard it, Mark?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:29 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

There should be more music from Finland. (even though Jimi has left now)

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:30 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

What do you think of Robert Palmer? Specifically, the Clues album.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:33 (fifteen years ago) Permalink


Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:33 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

killing joke.

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"astral weeks" wz the "perfect teeth" of its day

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

lp or song, jess

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I think you need to listen to 'live/dead' by the grateful dead (you have said that you have never heard the dead and keep putting it off).

you must also listen to my captain beefheart cassette (w/extra track). this is v urgent and key.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:41 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

the Skeptics - Amalgam

Ess Kay (esskay), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:41 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

haha rumbled

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:43 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

you must listen to the 'incredible string band' because I have.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:43 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

haha julio yes good point, where the hell is it?

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:44 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

''haha julio yes good point, where the hell is it?''

ha! I have heard and treasured your wonderful ut cassette. you have lost my one. that is not nice.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:50 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Philistines Jr - Continuing Struggle of/Sinking of the SS Danehower/Analog vs Digital. I like them, coz I sorta empathise with them, and it's the most 'me' music I've heard, they only sing about science, spies and their friends. I dunno if you'd like them, but I could make you a CD if you like. There is one MP3 on their website. But, Mark, I don't really know what you like.

Otherwise, what do you think of Helloween's "Keeper of the Seven Keys PartII"?

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:54 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Bakhtin -- The Dialogic Imagination (but you read it, you don't listen). The quote I threw down on the Disco Tex thread should whet yr. appetite.

Also just out of curiosity -- have you ever actually listened to gutter-garage or 2-step or microhouse or the other things the nu-dance massive goes on about? Also, the whole of Ludacris' Southern Hospitality album.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:55 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"you cannot tidy a world-historical archive without entirely misplacing the one thing of value in it" — tolstoy

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"where did i put my socks?" --tolstoy

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Also, the whole of Ludacris' Southern Hospitality album.

Yes indeed.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:02 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(sterling assume i have NOT and suggest away)

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(one of the purposes of this exercise will be to test my "retrieval system" whereby everything actually in the house is (supposedly) not stuck behind something else, and therefore findable...)

(julio's tape he of course failed to LABEL hence its lamentable non to-handness so far)

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The 2-step comp to get = Ministry of Sound's Ayia Napa 2000
The gutter-garage one = (unf. I have no good answer coz the MC Garage one isn't all that, but can supply you with mp3s of the l8st & gr8st -- email me)
The microhouse one = M. Mayer's Immer, or Kompakt's Total 3.

(this is all pretty much ILX conventional wisdom I think)

Also the whole of Jay-Z's "Vol 3: The Life and Times of S. Carter"

I recommend all of these because they somehow seem outside the universe of yr. ken and methods of discussion (except the Bakhtin which seems like it provides an elusive framework of sorts to the universe of yr. ken)

[haha -- the universe of ken = the pink dream house and that's IT!]1

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:25 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

U2 - "New Year's Day": At this moment, I think this is one of the greatest postpunk singles - without a doubt, the greatest post-Joy Division postpunk single for reasons given in the linked thread. You can do the whole War album if you like. I know you hate U2 and am curious how far it extends and why.

Also, what do you think of "That Song" by Big Wreck?

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:33 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I really only know for a fact that you enjoy Buffy The Vampire Slayer and Xenakis, so I will recommend the electro-acoustic vampire music of Igor Wakhevitch. Any album will do. But the Hot Boy$ are good too.

scott seward, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The Clash.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:41 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

lp or song, shakey

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:41 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Should I Say Yes" by Nu Shooz just because it's so damn cute.

s woods, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The Mothers of Invention - Freak Out

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

oh, I'm just being snarky, mark... but in all seriousness I nominate my most recent cause celebre: Johnny Otis "Castin' My Spell". Although how I could facilitate yr hearing I'm not sure, since I don't have an MP3, and I'm guessing you don't own it...

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The Exploding Hearts -- "Guitar Romantic", out on Dirtnap Records.

in particular, the song, "Rumours in Town".

Kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(one of the purposes of this exercise will be to test my "retrieval system" whereby everything actually in the house is (supposedly) not stuck behind something else, and therefore findable...)

haha welcome to my life

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:48 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Chequered Past!

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Chequered Past (EMI America) 1984

trouser press sez:

Although listening to this run-of-the-mill Bad Company arena rock may not, a glance at the credits indicates why Chequered Past was one of the most depressing groups/albums of recent years. Clem Burke and Nigel Harrison (both ex-Blondie) and Steve Jones (ex-Pistols) formed three-fifths of the band, proving conclusively that even talented new wavers, no matter how idealistic and rebellious, were merely a few years away from becoming just as bogus as the musicians they originally set out to dethrone.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:01 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

yur better off with the rich kids and the professionals

scott seward, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:04 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Ex-treme Dating" - like a regular dating show except that one of the daters has two exes in a nearby media van watching every move of his date via closed-circuit TV. The two exes are equipped with microphones that lead directly to an ear-bud in the OTHER dater's ear, and they are allowed to be totally merciless - "ha ha that's a LIE" or "ask him about the thing on his butt" or "he is totally looking at the waitress!!" At the end of the date the daters part ways, give their little spiel about how they think things went, and then a limo pulls up: inside is either the date, or if she/he decided "ixnay" the door opens up and it's the two exes, laughing and pointing!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

whisper in ear-bud: "this is i love music, you ignoramus!"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:15 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Tracer totally seconded -- also Jillian Barbierie who Blount notwithstanding still comes off as the most clever and licka.. ahem, likable host on TV.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:23 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I think you should listen more with your heart chakra.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:42 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Triple R, Friends, which is like Immer except REALLY FUN

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:50 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Oh yes, Friends is very great.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

B-but Matos, the last thing mark needs is more *fun*.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:55 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(well, it's not like the Cooler Kids or anything, but still)

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Raoul Duguay - "La bitt a tibi" - great mid-70s psych-folk radio hit from Quebec. I can get you the MP3, or burn it to CD for you - just write me.

Patrick, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

''(julio's tape he of course failed to LABEL hence its lamentable non to-handness so far)''

so how abt looking for the tape that isn't labelled.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:52 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Tyranosaurous Rex - Unicorn
We all know one's opinion of Electric Warrior is the best test for the validity of their musical opinion. I spent two weeks listening to nothing but, then I decided to see what ILM had to say about T. Rex. Somewhere, some thread, someone explains how the Tyranosaurus Rex era records are like the song of the siren to female ears. I resolved to hear it ASAP, downloaded first I found it, and it is indeed some of the most engaging, odd, and feminine music I've heard. I'd like you to take a ridiculous stance on it.

Adam A. (Keiko), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:01 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

da real one - "u like pina coladas" : stunningly accurate portrait of gender roles, leisure politics, and friday mores in anytown, usa, summer 2002.

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 22:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Funkadelic's "Miss Lucifer's Love" will make you realize that when funk acts veer dangerously close to a solo Lennon sound, Valhalla-level glory ensues.

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 22:50 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

nate which LP's that on?

(thx ppl and k-k-keep it coming — i'll start responding in abt a week, recharged and refreshed i hope from the air of snowdonia national park)

(julio abt half my tapes are not labelled: ok it's my fault all the other ones aren't, but this one's clearly down to you!!)

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 22:54 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

That's on America Eats Its Young, which is also kicking my ass via "Loose Booty" and "You Hit the Nail On The Head" and "Everybody's Going to Make It This Time" and "That Was My Girl" (which I listened to eight times in a row on the bus; it's probably the best band-remaking-their-own-song song ever).

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 22:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

de la soul - transmistting live from mars (off of 3 feet high and rising)

it's short, it got them in a whole lot of trouble, it predates the whole francophilia farfisa downtempo thing by about 4 years... it has aged much better than the steely dan/hall and oates samples.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 23:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I have been listening to 3rd ear band a bit recently, so I'll nominate either "Alchemy" or "Macbeth" (I wd be interested in a sort of general way in what julio thinks of these as well)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 23:01 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Michael Jackson's Moonwalker -- MJ's perhaps an even sleazier exploiter of Michael Jackson than Martin Bashir is.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 23:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

There is a compilation of klezmer music called "Yikhes - Early Klezmer 1907-1939" on Trikont Records. It has a really fantastic song by clarinettist Dave Tarras on it called "A Rumenisher Nign", which has him blowing over this very minimal backing. The way he plays clarinet is like Charlie Parker would sound if he were a klezemer musician, or had made more of an effort to emulate Johnny Hodges' bending and vibrato. It also reminds me of Raymond Scott's jazz-ish stuff in a weird way. Check it out.

Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"it's short, it got them in a whole lot of trouble, it predates the whole francophilia farfisa downtempo thing by about 4 years... it has aged much better than the steely dan/hall and oates samples."

I can't believe you think steely dan and hall and oates samples can age. They're deathless! And "I Can't Go For That" seems to be more popular now than at any time since it came out.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:20 (fifteen years ago) Permalink


i'm so out of touch it's faux-ironic.

but seriously: the turtles... the turtles.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

have you heard Sleater-Kinney yet, Mark?

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 8 May 2003 01:54 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Listen to some New Orleans brass band. Rebirth Brass Band's 'Hot Venom' is probably the most accessible, well-recorded, hip-hop influenced street shit out there right now. New Birth Brass Band's 'D-Boy' has all the classics and it sounds great too. This shit is the funkiest music on earth, it's loud, it's got soul, and no one listens to it.

You can get all the shit here.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 8 May 2003 02:29 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(re sleater: you'll like the earlier stuff better -- try Call The Doctor)

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 8 May 2003 03:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I second Dave M. on Dave Tarras, but I'd reccomend his long-unavailable and recently reissued masterpiece with the Musiker Bros., Tanz!.

slutsky (slutsky), Thursday, 8 May 2003 03:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Mmmmm. Tanz! is great. Actually my favorite klezmer album of all time is Mickey Katz's "The Family Danced", which is very cheesy and 'not klezmer' according to a leading source.

Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 8 May 2003 04:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

''(julio abt half my tapes are not labelled: ok it's my fault all the other ones aren't, but this one's clearly down to you!!)''

you crack me up duuude!

well since you don't buy that many recs I suspect that my tape is of a newish model. its a TDK 90 minute tape (do you have many of those with that length?).

Open the case and inside you should have the sticker labels attached. in fact it doesn't just have the sticker labels but it has other more 'colourful' labels (one is of a car, another is a guitar, and another has a cup of a tea , a star and a heart).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 8 May 2003 06:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'd recommend the CDs that come with Brooklyn art magazine Cabinet. So far they've had CDs focused on the sound of weather, the sound of childhood, and the aesthetics of failure. These disks are the most stimulating thing I've heard in the last couple of years.

Cabinet, available online as well, is a brilliant read if you find yourself intrigued by these sorts of things:

How does his lifelong habit of nosepicking bring Jonathan Ames to the subject of the word 'bice'?

Might 'the cute' be as important as 'the sublime', and might one put together 15 theses about it?

How might Brian Dewan do a school slideshow (deadpan, absurd, horrific) of the Book of Deuteronomy?

Momus (Momus), Thursday, 8 May 2003 07:08 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The first album by Storm and Stress. Also "Plays for Lovers" by Beefeater.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 8 May 2003 07:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I don't think you have a high enough opinion of Lloyd Cole.

Why don't you listen to, say, the first half of his LP DON'T GET WEIRD ON ME BABE (1991)?

the pinefox, Thursday, 8 May 2003 10:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Queen 'A Nigtht At The Opera'

ss, Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Hmm... try "If only I could remember my name?" by David Crosby. It's a recent acquisition on my part and I'm still getting my head around it, but it's rather wonderful, especially if the sun is out like it is today. It's a spring / summer kind of record, but with a bit of darkness around the edges. And it's a fiver in the HMV sale.

Rob M (Rob M), Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:42 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

er thats in russian. but theres ap icture of him with his scarf hiding the gills (?!)"
and opera no.2
for the good tune..

ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

sorry i thin kthat should be this, otherwise you have to go thru some menus in ruissian
...oh also, listen to some ....of this:revive!

ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Dave M., we should start a klezmer thread if there isn't one already (and I'm assuming there probably is).

slutsky (slutsky), Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:06 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

mark - i'm sure it won't change what u think abt anything but please write something abt the Rocky Horror Show musical or any one song from it if you prefer

zebedee (zebedee), Thursday, 8 May 2003 15:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Mark - Dynamite MC "Rush the DJ", Sticky feat Lady Stush "Dollar Sign" or The Blue Nile's Hats - I'd like to read you on these.

(Momus, can it be set up so that everyday you send me one link of 'required' reading - your internet mobility is astonishing and that link above is amazing). (Can I get that magazine sent to me in Scotland, I wonder.)

Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 8 May 2003 16:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Anything post-1995 by Jethro Tull

dave q, Friday, 9 May 2003 09:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

something on Al Green?

gaz (gaz), Friday, 9 May 2003 10:54 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(Notice that if you just read the fully capitalized words in mark s's original message it reads: DON'T CHANGE THE WAY I THINK ABOUT EVERYTHING.)

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 9 May 2003 14:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

An interesting idea. I know a bit more about your tastes than some here, so I'll have a guess at a few tunes I love that you might not know.

Dyke & the Blazers - The Wrong House. The funkiest group of all time go on a medium-paced workout while Dyke goes on this ridiculous spiel about breaking up with his girl and then coming back and finding this huge bloke there. The best "brrr!" sounds this side of General Johnson, and very funny.

Willie Tee - Walking Up A One-Way Street. The most delightful clash between lyric and music ever. The title is a metaphor for how tough Willie's life is, as if he is walking up a one-way street, going the wrong way with everything against him (yes, it is a fucked metaphor because they're only one-way for vehicles), but the music makes the Archers theme sound dour, as cheery and perky and whistly as you can imagine.

Daddy Freddy - Pain Killa. Remember that chugging, clanking reggaeish rhythm from Oh Carolina? This is sort of like a poppier and more soulful version of that. I find it irresistible.

George Jones - Honky Tonk Song. We all often assume that the classical country style is a thing of the past, but this is from 1996. George was a major league drunk who was married to Tammy Wynette. Once she hid the keys for their 11 (I think it was) trucks and cars. They lived in a big ranchhouse ten miles out of town. George was picked up by the police riding their lawnmower down the highway. This is the song about that. It features the line "My wife took my car keys away, and she won't drive me to drink."

UltraViolence - Hardcore Motherfucker. Extreme hardcore industrial techno, with a woman with a voice something like Princess Diana's repeating the title over and over, for about eight minutes.

Trammps - Penguin At The Big Apple/Zing Went The Strings Of My Heart. From their debut, The Legendary Zing! Album (warning: there's a cheapo comp out now, and it is inferior rerecordings), this is gloriously beautiful string-based early disco, with as good a "Hah!" as you'll find anywhere as the first vocal bit, and two great vocal performances.

Esquerita - Maybe Baby. Imagine if Little Richard was more camp, more outrageous, more colourful, louder and faster and a more potent and raucous pianist. Imagine that the godlike Little Richard was in many ways a watered-down version of another performer. You don't have to imagine. My favourite pianist ever.

DJ Jazzy Jeff & the Fresh Prince - He's The DJ, I'm The Rapper. Jeff still gets respect from other DJs, but not much wider fame, except as a hopeless minor figure in an old sitcom. Will Smith is one of the world's great movie stars, so we don't take his records seriously (but wasn't Nod Your Heads terrific?). But he was an exceptionally nimble and witty rapper, and Jeff is one of the greatest hip hop DJs of all time. This is I think their punchiest number, but the whole album is wonderful.

Brainbug - Nightmare (Sinister Strings Edit). If you wanted the perfect modern housey theme to match the shower scene music in Psycho, this is it.

Luther Barnes & the Reverend F.C. Barnes and the Red Budd Gospel Choir - My God Can Do Anything. An insanely rocking disco gospel number, with about a dozen great singers roaring away while the bass and drums and piano storm through what could almost be classic rock 'n' roll. Goes off the boil when they don't finish it properly, but the first couple of minutes are astounding.

Billy Ward & the Dominoes - The Bells. They called that overemotional crooning style of the late '50s 'sobbing' at times. I bet they felt stupid when they heard this. Clyde McPhatter was a pretty bonkers singer most of the time (Clyde : Jackie Wilson (his later replacement in this group) :: Esquerita : Little Richard), but on this he goes completely batshit, screaming and crying and wailing when he isn't hitting mad falsetto notes. The most over emotional record ever made, no contest.

Clarence 'Frogman' Henry - Ain't Got No Home. Most of you'll know him for 'I Don't Know Why I Love You But I Do', smooth New Orleans R&B singing. But why that name? Here's why. He sings the first verse of this more stompy R&B number normally. For the second, he takes on the identity and voice of a girl. For the third, he claims to be a lonely frog, and sings as if a frog. Yes, honestly. I sometimes think it's the greatest record ever made.

Louis Prima - Basin Street Blues/When It's Sleepy Time Down South. Louis is one of my favourite singers ever (you all know his King Louis in the Jungle Book), not unlike a sillier Louis Armstrong. I love this one especially for its transition between the two songs, always a strong point of his - he did loads of these pairings. It's untranscribeable, but it's something like "You know the moon is pale and the sun is, and the sun is gone, and and the steamboats are coming and they're splashing and they're going WOO WOO ah babazooza" and he's into the next tune. How someone comes up with that is a mystery to me.

(also listen to Jordan re the Rebirth Brass Band - they are magnificent)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 9 May 2003 22:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Hellfish and Producer - "No More Rock and Roll"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 9 May 2003 22:20 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

haha justyn beat me to suggesting the sleater: but unlike sterling i suggest you hear "hot rock". also MARY TIMONY/HELIUM. SHE IS OH MY GOD.

di smith (lucylurex), Saturday, 10 May 2003 01:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Get the National Forest album as soon as it comes out.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Saturday, 10 May 2003 11:23 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Anyway, I never tire of recommending Oum Kalthoum's Robaiyat el Khayam.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 10 May 2003 13:30 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I don't know what I expect you to learn from it though.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 10 May 2003 13:30 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Or listen to Louie Ramirez y Sus Hermanos, especially for "En un Beso la Vida," if you want something more immediately catchy. Take note of the brilliant delayed entry of the timbales. Admire the remarkable vocals of Azuquita which bing-bong around like an old fashioned pin-ball machine.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 10 May 2003 13:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(btw RS have you seen that Keely Smith is doing a NYC residency? thought of ya whn saw that)

H (Heruy), Saturday, 10 May 2003 21:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Hey, Martin... Haven't heard "The Bells," but if you like high drama weeping in your R&B, you might want to check out Jackie and the Starlites. The "hit" is called "Valerie," though the formula is more or less applied to every other song they do. More comical than sad, but I've never heard anything quite like it... I'll look for "The Bells"...

flightsatdusk (flightsatdusk), Sunday, 11 May 2003 03:20 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

It's certainly on a Billy Ward & the Dominoes comp that I have, but you have to be careful as there are comps of, for instance, only the stuff with Jackie Wilson on vocals. That's all worth having too, of course.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 11 May 2003 10:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Freddy Fender, "Wasted Days & Wasted Nights"

dave q, Sunday, 11 May 2003 11:28 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

...or anyway some small thing abt something

so the suggestion:
Garmarna's Hildegard von Bingen alb (2001)

or if you should not care to listen to the entire record -- seven weird-to-wonderful folk'lectronic reworkings of the saintly abbess's songs + one a cappella + one original Garmarna instrumental; 'bout forty minutes all in all -- then take just one track, "Unde Quocompque"
that one 'has it all', more or less: bumping house-y beats and subdued micro-pulses, violin & hurdy-gurdy hoedowns, Emma's angelic plainchantin' & vocoder vox -- alternately or simultaneously

i dunno whether it'd change your views on Hildegard or Garmarna (in case you have any), but it could incline you to think different 'bout, say, Enigma's take on pop+medieval

...Garmarna's Hildegardiana should be downloadable, i supppose - if not, i can make you a cd-r

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 12 May 2003 14:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i. julio today i found yr tape after exactly 3 seconds of looking, right in the middle of the shelf where i looked abt 4567878 times before = the work of the 50000000-yr-old alien martian goblins of hob's lane
ii. remind me was it LICK MY DECALS?
iii. i am back in action and thinking abt stuff on this thread (eg FREAK OUT at the moment, since i actually own it)
iv. don't stop till i get enough (obv i shall have to supply at least some comeback)
v. once again thx all, i am going to get my slsk chops in order soon and then hob's yr uncle

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 18 May 2003 12:42 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

yes it was lick my decals. on both sides. the remaining 5 mins was taken up with a secret extra track for you to guess (you have talked abt this track before on ILM, um maybe not this exact one track but you have talked abt the artist and what he is doing, this is also taped on both sides).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 18 May 2003 13:18 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i. Jean-Luc Guillonet, Axene (Groundfault)
ii. Hate Eternal, King of All Kings (Earache)
iii. Chaotic Dischord, "Fuck Religion, Fuck Politics, Fuck the Lot of You"

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 18 May 2003 16:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(I don't know who Keely Smith is, H.)

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 18 May 2003 17:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

'Kind of Blue', 'A Love Supreme'

Andrew L (Andrew L), Sunday, 18 May 2003 17:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

sir lord baltimore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

duane, Sunday, 18 May 2003 19:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Mungo Jerry's "Tramp"

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 18 May 2003 19:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Keely Smith was a smooth old jazz singer who was married to and worked with the mighty Louis Prima, until he caught her "performing s sex act on" (I can only think of one thing anyone would describe thus) an agent, I think it was.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 18 May 2003 21:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

the version of that story i heard had this guy doing it w. keely & then he became aware of someone LICKING HIS BALLS, he turned round & Louis Prima punched him in the face

duane, Sunday, 18 May 2003 21:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

best breakup story evah!

M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 18 May 2003 22:01 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

oh man. I had no idea that's how Prima and Keely Smith broke up. That's...ugh. me no like that story.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 18 May 2003 22:04 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

this is not the lesson i wz expecting so DUANE WINS!

mark s (mark s), Monday, 19 May 2003 08:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

it's in a tosches book, good stuff

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 19 May 2003 08:28 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Interstellar Space by John Coltrane and Rashied Ali since you seem to have dismissed St John (which is pretty understandable if you've ever read anyone write about him or if you've ever been stuck in a room with someone talking about how spiritual A Love Supreme is).

hamish (hamish), Monday, 19 May 2003 08:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

well, if spirituality = dull, i guess. i agree. that record is annoying anyway. add full muso desription of what a giant step giant steps is, and why ad infinatum.

gaz (gaz), Monday, 19 May 2003 08:51 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

that record is annoying anyway.

Which one? Interstellar Space or A Love Supreme?

hamish (hamish), Monday, 19 May 2003 09:31 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i already like interstellar space hamish, but i will relisten and write about it i promise

mark s (mark s), Monday, 19 May 2003 09:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

albert ayler does not make spirituality dull tho'.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 19 May 2003 09:42 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

where you stand on Sandinista! is thee acid test. What's the sinkah-view?

Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 19 May 2003 09:50 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

agree julio. its the conception of spirituality that certain a love supreme apologists feel obliged to weary you with that's dull.

ALS hamish.

gaz (gaz), Monday, 19 May 2003 12:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

love supreme apologists? spirituality or no, what is there to apologize for about one of the most unique and intense bands in jazz (or anything else) throwing down?

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 19 May 2003 18:35 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

ILM teaching mark s a lesson.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 19 May 2003 19:17 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

You may never get to it but the Luda album is in fact named "Back For The First Time".

"Southern Hospitality" is just the great single from it.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 1 June 2003 01:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

mark please write ten paragraphs about limp bizkit f method man - 'n2gether now' !!

trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 23:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

At the FAP on Sunday I added Amnesiac to mark's list.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 00:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Mark, did you ever listen to the Rough Guide tape I sent you (A Rough Guide to Music the Rough Guide Wouldn't Touch with a Ten-Foot Pole)? Not that I'd expect it to change you, but I want to know who you think rocks harder, Celine or LeAnn.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 9 June 2003 22:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i only ever listen to things i think i'm going to write about (this isn't true)

mark s (mark s), Monday, 9 June 2003 22:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

do da real one next

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 9 June 2003 22:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

trife has it on vinyl

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 9 June 2003 22:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i told mark i would make a tape for him next after minnas dirty south tape!! if he cant find da real one and limp bizkit by then i will put them both on!!

trife (simon_tr), Monday, 9 June 2003 23:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

teaching mark s a *LESSON* response four: LOUIS PRIMA

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 22 June 2003 14:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
(this is not defunct just helladelayed btw as i have an actual real project w.a deadline)

response five = tyrannosaurus rex/unicorn but don't hold yr breath (sorry lady lurex)

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 11:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Fun fact re 'my' submission - it's not produced by Sandy Pearlman

dave q, Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

So are you grooving on the new Tull XMAS album, Dave?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Ted Hawkins
The Soul Rebels
All three will make you think about music...differently

Speedy Gonzalas (Speedy Gonzalas), Thursday, 27 November 2003 10:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...
having good reasons doesn't stop me feeling bad abt how this got sidelined :(

i still hope to return and deliver smore one day

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 25 September 2004 09:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

If I can get my tape deck working properly, I will try to do you a tape of those I cite above. And maybe some other people's, if I have room and the tunes. It'll be an enjoyable tape even if you don't write about it.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 25 September 2004 11:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Of the tracks nominated I can only find Shaky Mo's Johnny Otis and Ethan's Limp Bizkit/Method Man choices. And I'll add something by the Rebirth Brass Band, suggested by Jordan, too.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 25 September 2004 11:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i have limp bizkit/method man

also i have access to slsk these days!! i am currently d/l-ing yard on yard of gryphon!

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 25 September 2004 11:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Heavens, man, if you have slsk and need music we shall provide.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 September 2004 13:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

listen to duane's album.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 25 September 2004 13:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


jel -- (jel), Saturday, 25 September 2004 14:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
i. dear god it is nearly two years since i started this project
ii. i have still not tracked down my vinyl copy of metal machine music = am still not free of the tug of ilm
iii. lady di if you are reading i have not forgotten
iv. i have been kinda busy w.this and that, and this looks likely to continue BUT i really do plan to hack a few more of these, but i nthe meantime

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 1 January 2005 14:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i. hi mark!!
ii. happy 2005 to you too!
iii. update yr blog too if you get the time please!

m. (mitchlnw), Saturday, 1 January 2005 15:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

update on its way (er prob not today tho)!

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 1 January 2005 15:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i. happy new year mark.
ii. I read yr book and enjoyed it immensely.
iii. 'connecting and connecting...'

cºzen (Cozen), Saturday, 1 January 2005 16:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

mark, while we are giving you things to do, I'd like to recommend Ned Sublette's recent Cuba & Its Music (which I assume you know about, and may even have read for all I know).

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 1 January 2005 16:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

you were not very nice to somebody (composer) in your rise and spral (of horrible noise, not yr behind the music rise and sprawl). you know who i mean. listen again. then come to the Real Dirty South (the one where we can't afford ipods and Lil Jon CDs). and make and sell and buy and even listen to loose joints (in the mixtape sense). on the street. keeping your bias normal, your case low, your new year off-white, and represent.

don, Saturday, 1 January 2005 16:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

listen to aussie pop in 80s - wa wa nee "sugar free"

paul grey, Saturday, 1 January 2005 17:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

from failing memory, isn't john oswald is the only person i'm unremittingly nasty to in rise and sprawl (unless you count j!m de r0gat!s as a composer, or mark lamarr)?

(but it's a very long piece so i probbly said a million things i no longer think especially)

i don't own and can't afford an ipod :(

rockist i own records by ned s. but i never read him: but one of the records i really really like - ever-wideining circles, the one he did w.the persuasions - so i will give that book a go some time

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 1 January 2005 17:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I was going to link to my thread about the book, but I think that must be one of the lost threads. Anyway, it's very good, and much of it should be of interest to anyone interested in the musical interactions between Africa, the New World, and Europe.

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 1 January 2005 17:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Kind of like a less rockcriticerly, more expansive, Stomp and Swerve, but focusing on a different musical center.

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 1 January 2005 17:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yes of course I meant Oswald. It's the name isnt it. Put yr patriotism aside just that much ok? (Larue do you like Irakere? I like the LP ca. '78, from before several of their MVP jumped ship, pretty much literally. Does he talk about them, and/or Charlie Haden's Liberation Music Orchestra?)

don, Saturday, 1 January 2005 18:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The Sublette book only goes up to the 50s. He has a second volume planned. I'm actually not that big a fan of Cuban music per se. I prefer Puerto Rican/NuYorican/Colombian stylings, but still, the basic foundation for salsa comes via Cuba, so I am interested. I haven't liked anything I've heard by Irakere.

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 1 January 2005 18:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i happy end of 2004
ii miss scanning a ILX thread to get mark's take on the question
iii should mail you a disc of music

nick.K (nick.K), Saturday, 1 January 2005 19:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

haha don i just realised that wz you!!

but i am still trying to codecrack the patriotism gag

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 January 2005 02:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i did in fact grow up near a town named for the fact that a long-ago saxon king called oswald hid in a a tree once (or wz killed by a tree or something)

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 January 2005 02:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

but i'm saving the details of that for my sleater-kinner lesson

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 January 2005 02:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Lee Harvey" was what I had in mind (relates to yr. patriotism cause Blair is Bush's poodle and your Prime Minister, nyah nyah, nah nah nah)(Bush is *my whut whut) Intriguing bout the tree (seriously), but I'll wait for the sleater-kinner(?) lesson. In the meantime, more musical recs: RIO BAILE FUNK:FAVELA BOOTY BEATS and Daara J's BOOMERAN and reggaeton too, cos you need a sunny vacation I would imagine (more UK stereotyping but still!)

don, Sunday, 2 January 2005 04:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Sleater-Kinner fuckin suck dog balls

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 2 January 2005 05:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Really? Too bad. Sleater-Kinney's pretty good, though.

don, Sunday, 2 January 2005 05:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
hey mark just wanted to say hi. i dig radio free narnia...see ya.

Destroy A. Monsters (Destroy A. Monsters), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

man that louis prima story justifies ilm in its entirety

acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 22:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

di is back so maybe i shd do my tyrannosaurus rex one AT LAST

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

and thx abt rfn -- sorry it's been a bit far-and-few-between lately

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

is your beef with oswald easily summarized?

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i am back! i am here! i am reading! i am writhing with anticipation!

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

that beef w.oswald:
he had an extremely feeble video piece in the show i talk about in the rise-and-sprawl piece, as well as what i recall as a very smug cover interview in the wire round about the same time -- the culture-jamming meme was more than a bit played at that point, but no one challenged him on this

so i wz very grumpy at him -- ppl told me afterwards i was bein unfair, and that's totally possible -- i wz just fed of readin how Amazingly Daringly Subversive he was Pokin Fun at Pop, i think, and never anything abt how else his stuff maybe worked

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ah ok -- his video works aren't my favorite either. I wouldn't call him smug, but he's definitely self-id's as art-world & thus rubs some people the wrong way, especially these days now that 'sampling' seems so obvious as to be politically inert

that 2 CD 'plunderphonic' box is a little indigestable, but I think you might like his 'WX' from 1983 or the revised 'Plexure' if you're curious about how he earned his rep

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

WX = scroll down to final 11 tracks

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

(just bumpi'nso asto keep 'eh lessons withinteh mark s's visibleness, wellhopefully)

tiit (tiit), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

(mock me willya?) Um, if i can still make suggestions mark how about "Breaking the Split Screen Barrier" by Kim Deal's garage band The Amps?

Destroy A. Monsters (Destroy A. Monsters), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 22:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

early post by me^

I wish these were still going on...would love to hear him unpack a Breeders/Amps song or two; somewhere around here Sinker talks about having a shot with Kelley Deal

taking drugbs (to make music to take drugbs to) (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 23 June 2011 22:45 (six years ago) Permalink

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