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― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, October 2, 2019 6:59 AM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

I like that! Stoked for the new album, they're really treating us this year.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, October 2, 2019 7:34 AM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

that's wonderful

― ufo, Wednesday, October 2, 2019 7:16 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

Sounds like the new one will be a lot closer to the sound of Masterpiece, which I’m happy about. Glad they aren’t leaving the rock sound behind.

― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, October 3, 2019 2:22 AM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

Revisiting Masterpiece and Capacity, which didn't really grab me the first time. Enjoying them better this time. Maybe the 2 new tracks have helped me appreciate their rock tunes more. Still, I prefer the pure weird folk of U.F.O.F., and hope that direction isn't just a one-off.

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, October 3, 2019 8:37 AM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

I get the feeling they're just getting warmed up

― frame casual (dog latin), Thursday, October 3, 2019 8:45 AM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah, I'm glad this new song is more single-y sounding. I hope they keep doing both the poppier stuff and the more abstract stuff.

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, October 3, 2019 9:09 AM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

Sadly, the singles (and Shoulders) are the best songs on this album. The rest are just ok i guess. Nothing special, much less rock-y as anticipated by many including myself.

― nostormo, Wednesday, October 9, 2019 2:06 AM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

i'm not sure it's quite as special as UFOF and "Not" is the clear standout but i'm still enjoying it a fair bit

― ufo, Wednesday, October 9, 2019 2:28 AM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

y’all made me think it was friday

― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, October 9, 2019 5:52 AM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's out there if you look for it

― ufo, Wednesday, October 9, 2019 5:53 AM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

just heard Not, much prefer the first half to the wig-out (surprisingly?)

― imago, Wednesday, October 9, 2019 6:19 AM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

another amazing record imo

― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, October 11, 2019 8:34 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

It's possible it took the last two albums to prepare me for this one, but this is their masterpiece.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, October 11, 2019 8:40 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

I get the feeling they're just getting warmed up

― frame casual (dog latin), Thursday, 3 October 2019 13:45 (one week ago) link

Lenker is only like 28 years old -- I feel like her best could very much still be yet to come.

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, October 11, 2019 8:42 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

that said I just xp'd alfred and haven't listened to the one that dropped yet

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, October 11, 2019 8:42 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Just bought the new one and am on the last song. It's great. Not is their best song.

― kornrulez6969, Friday, October 11, 2019 9:36 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Just bought it too, along with Richard Dawson (it's a good day for folk-rock!). Anyway, it's jaw dropping so far

― frame casual (dog latin), Friday, October 11, 2019 1:13 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Does Lenker play lead?

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, October 11, 2019 1:14 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

no one told me there's a white guy with cornrows in this band

― na (NA), Friday, October 11, 2019 1:19 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

would you like to walk some posts back

― j., Friday, October 11, 2019 1:21 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Heard “Not” when they released it last month and liked it a lot then, but it is on fire in the context of the record.

― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, October 11, 2019 1:51 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Does Lenker play lead?

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, October 11, 2019 1:14 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

I feel like I have seen videos where she does leads -- I think the really noisy/out ones are hers, not sure about others.

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, October 11, 2019 2:23 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

I just figured something out that was bugging me... so obv very different bands, but the repetitive drum beat/bass cadence of "Not" is TOTALLY Lungfish

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, October 11, 2019 2:44 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

this album is fantastic.

picked up the "desert peach" colored vinyl and it sounds great.

― omar little, Friday, October 11, 2019 2:59 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Heard “Not” when they released it last month and liked it a lot then, but it is on fire in the context of the record.

― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, October 11, 2019

otm, a stunner now

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, October 11, 2019 3:04 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

picked up the "desert peach" colored vinyl and it sounds great.
― omar little, Friday, 11 October 2019 20:59 (fourteen minutes ago)

Me too from Norman Records

― Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Friday, October 11, 2019 3:14 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Ugh I’ve listened to this album three times today. The only disappointing thing is that now UFOF isn’t my favorite album of the year.

― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, October 11, 2019 4:59 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Hyperbolic day-of-release praise CHECK

― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, October 11, 2019 5:00 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

new thread?

― sleeve, Friday, October 11, 2019 5:05 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

great performance

― ufo, Friday, October 11, 2019 5:59 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

I still prefer U.F.O.F., but this new one is great

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, October 11, 2019 6:42 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

I listened to this once through on the way home. It’s incredibly rich and dense and almost overwhelming at first but I immediately wanted to listen to it again and will tonight. The real jaw dropping moment for me was the end of Not follows by Wolf. I actually cried a bit.

I love the sound of the record. It’s very in the room with the band, but with a touch of hyper realty. I almost felt like they were right in front of me, which is an odd sensation while driving a car.

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, October 11, 2019 8:04 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 13 October 2019 02:45 (nine months ago) link

I really like Forgotten Eyes, but I was trying to work out what it reminded me of...

It was Teenage Dirtbag

frame casual (dog latin), Sunday, 13 October 2019 09:52 (nine months ago) link

lol i can't unhear that now

ufo, Sunday, 13 October 2019 09:56 (nine months ago) link

on the plus side, some really interesting chord sequences on this album.. Love the ambivalent sound of Those Girls and how it the verses resolve in this strange way before starting again, like a spider weaving a delicate web

frame casual (dog latin), Sunday, 13 October 2019 10:07 (nine months ago) link

It's funny because I had a similar reaction and the two songs I came up with were Bones by Radiohead and She Don't Use Jelly by Flaming Lips. It def has a bit of a late 90s 120 minutes pastiche thing going in, but not in a bad way.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 13 October 2019 13:23 (nine months ago) link

What I love the most about this record (other than just how great Lenker's songwriting always is) is how much it does with just the sound and vibe of the band playing together in a room. The record is probably the most sonically consistent and most reliant on live room sound so far and it does so much with just that. Just the incredible sonic presence of the band itself and the way the instruments meld like different metals into an alloy.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 13 October 2019 13:34 (nine months ago) link

I don't think I'll ever accustom myself to her voice, sadly.

pomenitul, Monday, 14 October 2019 08:56 (nine months ago) link

It's taken a couple years but I finally did.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 October 2019 10:37 (nine months ago) link

I love the way it breaks up at the end of the last verse of Not. Very sincere and exposed.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 14 October 2019 14:40 (nine months ago) link

... idk if i like this better than ufof and i don't know if i'll ever be able to know that, but it is the exact album i've been wanting them to make since masterpiece

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 14 October 2019 15:32 (nine months ago) link

It kind of feels like a synthesis of their approaches on Capacity and UFOF

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 14 October 2019 15:34 (nine months ago) link

Part of me kind of wishes the album just ended after Wolf. Cut Your Hair is v good though.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 14 October 2019 15:35 (nine months ago) link

"the toy" is so perfect

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 14 October 2019 15:36 (nine months ago) link

*cut my hair

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 14 October 2019 15:36 (nine months ago) link

"replaced" is very red house painters

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 14 October 2019 16:38 (nine months ago) link

... idk if i like this better than ufof

― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, October 14, 2019 8:32 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

never mind! this is their best record

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 14 October 2019 16:50 (nine months ago) link

I'm willing to concede that "Not" is their best song, possibly the best track of the year from anyone.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 14 October 2019 16:52 (nine months ago) link

i'm personally addicted to the extremely organic and fluid way this band plays together

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 14 October 2019 16:55 (nine months ago) link

I wanna say it's their Amnesiac to their Kid A maybe..

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 14 October 2019 16:57 (nine months ago) link

Really love their bass player

Heez, Monday, 14 October 2019 17:11 (nine months ago) link

i'm personally addicted to the extremely organic and fluid way this band plays together

― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, October 14, 2019 12:55 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

very much so, it's quite intoxicating. refreshingly, they don't really sound exactly like anything else, but there's something in their kind of swirling, mystical alchemy that reminds me of people like Van Morrison and R.E.M.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 14 October 2019 17:18 (nine months ago) link

i still get some Neil Young w/Crazy Horse once in awhile. on the more heavy songs, obv.

i hope they continue to remain vv prolific.

omar little, Monday, 14 October 2019 17:53 (nine months ago) link

Teenage Dirtbag, Bones, She Don't Use Jelly... All otm!

Finding it impossible to see 'Two Hands' as anything other than a companion piece to UFOF. The former feels more... major key, a tad more 'optimistic' and relatively care free than UFOF? UFOF is like this warm cocoon to crawl into, in the small hours, feeling very small. A shelter. 'Two Hands' feel more open, taking on the world more in defiance. I will need both records equally along the way, I know that much.

'Not' is, of course, a magnificent piece of art.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 14 October 2019 18:08 (nine months ago) link

this album is so good. love 'the toy' and 'replaced'

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Monday, 14 October 2019 18:11 (nine months ago) link

i'm personally addicted to the extremely organic and fluid way this band plays together

― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, October 14, 2019 12:55 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah this. Even the way Adrienne and Buck play together -- I suspected the lead on Not was Adrienne, and based on the late show performance it is, but Buck is actually playing a kind of accompanying lead part rather than just chords and they really just blend together -- it reminds me a little of how Ian and Guy from Fugazi play together.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 14 October 2019 18:18 (nine months ago) link

i was intrigued by 'century' and checked out this record.. man the band sounds great and the way the songs move around feels very distinctive but the singer really is a lot. she has a nice voice when she's singing low + controlled; mostly she isn't doing that, and it's awkward. reminds me of coco rosie at their worst in a lot of places. i dunno, maybe will grow on me like they seem to have for a lot of you.

lumen (esby), Monday, 14 October 2019 20:26 (nine months ago) link

Really love their bass player

― Heez, Monday, 14 October 2019 17:11 (three hours ago) link

This record also was the first time I noticed just how good their bass player is, but I also think that his ability to not stick out except at just the right moments is part of what makes him good.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 14 October 2019 20:42 (nine months ago) link

Re: that CONTROVERSIAL Big Thief tweet, this is correct. Like 'em well enough but if I've learned anything from the '10s lists and really 20 years of paying attention to this, the tasteful indie-rock faves of the day are never safe from the next wave of critics. pic.twitter.com/fGnhgi824c

— Ian Cohen (@en_cohen) October 15, 2019

yes definite vibe of this off this band and all the critic friends who are swoony over them

j., Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:34 (nine months ago) link

Backlash cycles grow shorter and shorter

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:40 (nine months ago) link

i had to research what the controversial big thief tweet was and i would like those three minutes of my life back thanks

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:40 (nine months ago) link

I feel this more about Angel Olsen than Big Thief.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:42 (nine months ago) link

not sure i'd blame the collapse of the music media landscape on this phenomena which was observable at least ten years ago, and the fact that a nyt editor is pushing back against the deluge of love for big thief means the space for backlash isn't lost

also imo there is nothing "emperor's new clothes" about this band unless you just hear them as undistinguished folk rock, fleet foxes 2.0. which would be v superficial listening. which critics aren't immune from

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:45 (nine months ago) link

I'm not against the argument that something better may be out there, but if so, let's see it.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:47 (nine months ago) link

it's a very big leap to go from 'i don't like this hyped artist' to 'everyone who likes this artist is faking it for clout.' it reminds me of a (much less malicious) version of right-wingers calling liberals/leftists 'virtue-signalers'

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:51 (nine months ago) link

i don't begrudge the fact that 20,000 people pay to see billy joel at msg every month.

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:52 (nine months ago) link

The Neil Young/Crazy Horse vibes are what take them to the next level for me, way above Fleet Foxes et al. I can't bring myself to stomach her voice, though – it's instinctive, and it's a damn shame.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:52 (nine months ago) link

agreed that it's a shame

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:53 (nine months ago) link

'everyone who likes this artist is faking it for clout' is basically chris ott's classic indie rock conspiracy isn't it lmao

ufo, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:55 (nine months ago) link

Might have to do with the voice as presumed seat of subjectivity and how it needs to partially mirror your own sense of self or whatever. Something about Lenker's vocals registers as inauthentic or false to my ears and no amount of discourse or autosuggestion can change that (well, for now). Everything else about them is wonderful.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:57 (nine months ago) link

but where is the 'hype' here? they've just grown steadily and got better over a number of years by... making consistent records and being a good live band over 5 years. its not like the attention is sudden or some sort of cooked up PR hype here... the PR isn't making the band - the band being good is what makes the PR job easy?

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:57 (nine months ago) link

journos shouting hype almost always translates to them being late to the party, and being convinced that if a band could get attention without them noticing, they must have been bamboozled by nefarious means

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:58 (nine months ago) link

i made a thread for masterpiece bc i heard the title track and "real love" and thought they were pretty tight and also at the time they were on saddle creek, who put out hop along's painted shut the year before. both bands felt special in a similar way. i'm def an unwitting victim of the pr machine

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:01 (nine months ago) link

I have lectured my charges over the years endlessly about the difference between "not liking something" and "something not being good" and I argue this band is not good. People love what they love. I'm just making a critical statement and a social observation.

— cganz (@mehpatrol) October 15, 2019

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:02 (nine months ago) link

I feel this more about Angel Olsen than Big Thief.

Agreed. I only listened to the new album once but it was a slog, particularly towards the end.

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:03 (nine months ago) link

Reads like trolling tbh.

xp

pomenitul, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:04 (nine months ago) link

Agreed. I only listened to the new album once but it was a slog, particularly towards the end.

― kornrulez6969, Tuesday, October 15, 2019 8:03 AM (forty-five seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

"I only listened to the new album once"

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:04 (nine months ago) link

journos shouting hype almost always translates to them being late to the party,

OTM

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:05 (nine months ago) link

When I ask if she will actually take a day job sometime soon, she responds instantly: “Yeah, probably. I’m not afraid to slow down.” The only thing that matters to her is longevity, flame-keeping. “I’m not afraid of needing to work at a diner. I know I can be happy doing that. I was just as happy living out of a busted RV, burning CDs and selling them, and playing shows for no one. I was happy doing that; it felt right.”

Yes, this definitely sounds like someone who is thirsting to be the new indie-rock queen. Nobody's saying you HAVE to like this band but the guy who tweeted out the original thing about "emperor's new clothes" just seems really small, not to mention a total jag.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:05 (nine months ago) link

pretty sure it's a lady, but otherwise yeah

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:09 (nine months ago) link

caryn is a woman yes

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:10 (nine months ago) link

Haha my mistake for assuming someone who would unironically use the phrase “my charges” was a man

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:14 (nine months ago) link

but where is the 'hype' here?

i dunno about hype, i think i might have heard of them before but didn't really know anything about them—a journalist teased the super-positive pitchfork review also in super positive terms and i took a listen. that journalist, along with what was just said here, seemed to be keyed to the idea of the band/records being special moreso than good, which is i think where the potential for critical disproportion comes in.

j., Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:18 (nine months ago) link

what's this all about? I don't have three minutes

frame casual (dog latin), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:19 (nine months ago) link

This B*g Th*ef thing is the emperor's new clothes of 2019 rock, don't even think of @-ing me

— cganz (@mehpatrol) October 15, 2019

pomenitul, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:19 (nine months ago) link

Egregious bait works best.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:20 (nine months ago) link

seemed to be keyed to the idea of the band/records being special moreso than good, which is i think where the potential for critical disproportion comes in.

does "special" not imply and include "good"? the feeling i get when i listen to their records is that something is transpiring in their interplay that other bands will likely be unable to repeat. to me that's special

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:21 (nine months ago) link

it does imply and include good but i don't think being special is just the same as being good but at a higher point of intensity

if they would just have more than one rhythm my feeling would be different i'm sure

j., Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:26 (nine months ago) link

i understand the job of critics, but i hate it when they think / talk like their opinion is fact. hate it, hate it, hate it.

alpine static, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:55 (nine months ago) link

who gives a flying fuck what theoretical Pitchfork writers are supposedly going to think about this record 10 years from now?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:56 (nine months ago) link

people who post on the pitchfork is dumb thread about the 2010s retrospective pitchfork publishes in 2029

j., Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:01 (nine months ago) link

I'm proud of myself for not looking at that list, therapy is working

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:06 (nine months ago) link

it's your privilege that lets you stay insulated from best-of lists, some people don't have that luxury

j., Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:08 (nine months ago) link

hahaha

sleeve, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:08 (nine months ago) link

irl lol

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:09 (nine months ago) link

understand the job of critics, but i hate it when they think / talk like their opinion is fact. hate it, hate it, hate it.

― alpine static,

Example?

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:09 (nine months ago) link

Pitchfork's application of the Ludovico Technique was probably a bridge too far, but that's where we are now

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:10 (nine months ago) link

lol j.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:10 (nine months ago) link

xxp that cganz tweet from above ("i have lectured my charges...") seems like a relevant one

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:11 (nine months ago) link

Arguments like this are stupid as shit and not worth engaging in, but it's particularly grating with Big Thief where (1) I discovered the band by accident, having no idea whatsoever who they were (no "hype" played into it) and (2) they have been my favorite contemporary band for the past couple of years. I love their music on a really deep level, and if they're not ROCK AND ROLL enough for you, fine, but honestly just fuck off. Don't tell other people what they feel.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:13 (nine months ago) link

luv 2 be a twitter bluecheck w/no name or identifying details

drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:14 (nine months ago) link

yeah and on that note who is this person, am I supposed to know who they are?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:15 (nine months ago) link

The tweet is dumb, Big Thief barely warrants a takedown bc I mean whose oxygen are they really stealing, and anyway as someone who mostly comes away from Next Big Thing indie with a shrug, I took to this band immediately with the first album. Her voice never bothered me but I also have built up immunity after years of listening to Neil Young.

omar little, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:16 (nine months ago) link

everyone self selects their Twitter bubble so what seems like an overbearing national discourse on Big Thief is basically like 20k nerds and no one gives a shit

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:18 (nine months ago) link

the tweeter in question is a music editor at the nyt

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:20 (nine months ago) link

Also, "emperor's new clothes" is just a weird criticism to make of them in particular even if you don't like them? Emperor's new clothes makes me think of something more like, IDK, that absurd overwrought orchestral project that Jack White did, lots of bluster and not much substance. Big Thief's music is obviously carefully and lovingly crafted and extremely sincere whether it's your thing or not.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:21 (nine months ago) link

make up your mind, is it gonna be 'to each his own' or 'fuck you if you say anything against this obvious gem'

j., Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:37 (nine months ago) link

the tweeter in question is a music editor at the nyt

oh boiee

drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:40 (nine months ago) link

make up your mind, is it gonna be 'to each his own' or 'fuck you if you say anything against this obvious gem'

― j., Tuesday, October 15, 2019 9:37 AM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's "don't even think of @-ing me"

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:51 (nine months ago) link

as a critical posture it's both dismissive and defensive, two things i think criticism should strive not to be but ymmv

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:52 (nine months ago) link

I am always more interested in critical writing that involves subjectivity and really digs into it that way, vs this sort of objectivity lording over how others are supposed to feel. There’s of course a middle ground, a vast one occupied by many. Idk i think there’s a bit more room for being generous towards music if you start to dig into your own reactions, maybe. But I think the ego of a decent number of writers means more personal opinions being passed off as fact, much more dismissiveness and contempt. Don’t @ me w/r/t this post.

omar little, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:56 (nine months ago) link

make up your mind, is it gonna be 'to each his own' or 'fuck you if you say anything against this obvious gem'

― j., Tuesday, October 15, 2019 11:37 AM (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I mean I'm really not saying it's an "obvious gem," I just don't think "emperor's new clothes" is really an apt criticism? I don't particularly like Lana Del Rey, but I don't think she is "emperor's new clothes." Like there is objectively *something* there.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:01 (nine months ago) link

right i agree with you there, i'm not sure what the exact original formulation was but my interest is not in seeing the band as new-clothesey or as hype-driven epiphenomena of the criticism industry. someone itt put it better, i think, that they seem to be an instance of a more general phenomenon where actually musically respectable bands get caught in waves of overestimation by critics-fans because of their role in the impoverished indie rock milieu but rapidly subside in esteem—yet you would expect critics to be more reflective about this when praising bands like this.

j., Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:05 (nine months ago) link

you could also expect so-called critics to maybe explain why they don't like a piece of art rather than dropping a "this sucks and everyone who likes it is dumb" stink bomb and refusing to engage with anyone.

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:07 (nine months ago) link

^^^^ this

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:09 (nine months ago) link

it's called editing!!!!!!!!!

j., Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:10 (nine months ago) link

I can't get over this choad referring to "'my charges." It reminds me of a National Review editor yelling at interns for using soy milk instead of REAL FUCKING CREAM in his coffee.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:14 (nine months ago) link

I mean, fwiw I've almost never enjoyed most of the NY Times' music criticism. Their house vibe seems to be very boring people trying to prove how fun they are through their appreciation of popular music.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:15 (nine months ago) link

doesn't it imply a custodial relationship, like the ones whom she has been tasked with shaping into fine critical wordsmiths and journalistic pros

j., Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:16 (nine months ago) link

I've always been annoyed by the whole "don't @ me" thing anyway, but it's one thing tagged onto the end of an obviously jokey tweet, another thing at the end of a weird (and, I'd say, misguided) blanket dismissal of any piece of art from a critic for a national outlet.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:19 (nine months ago) link

somehow i missed that this band switched drummers between masterpiece and capacity, previously i thought jason burger had developed a sudden restraint on the latter record lol. james krivchenia's quiet, understated, very in the pocket playing feels much more tied to the spirit of the band than the sick fills burger unleashes all over "real love" but i love those sick fills regardless

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:21 (nine months ago) link

haha so how many other ppl thought they had honed their intuitive communication when really they just dumped their lunkhead caveman

j., Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:24 (nine months ago) link

i mean it's both tbh

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:25 (nine months ago) link

anyway, i finally checked out two hands and it's unsurprisingly great. i think capacity is still my favorite of the three--they maybe hadn't turned into world-beaters yet, but the best songs on capacity still hit me the hardest (haley, mary, mythological beauty, great white shark).

everyone otm about how 'not' hits even harder in context of the record.

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:26 (nine months ago) link

huh, I actually didn't realize that either, only I assumed Krivechnia had been the drummer on Masterpiece. I think that explains a big part of why I find that record more uneven as much as I like it. I always felt like the title track wasn't done the way it deserved to be due to that big rock splash it tries to make.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:26 (nine months ago) link

i don't think it's necessarily all his playing. there are many great songs on there that don't feel secure in their arrangements, some of them drumless ("velvet ring"). weird to think "paul" points the way to the rest of their discography but it does

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:36 (nine months ago) link

and "randy." good ol paul and randy, pointing the way

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:43 (nine months ago) link

"Paul" is still one of my very favorite songs of theirs

Simon H., Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:43 (nine months ago) link

Handwringing over Big Thief like this is giving me flashbacks to Music Tumblr

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:46 (nine months ago) link

if your guitarist is named buck, chances are he's pretty good, ex. big thief, blue öyster cult

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:46 (nine months ago) link

the buckaroos

mizzell, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:51 (nine months ago) link

R.E.M.

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:51 (nine months ago) link

10,000 Maniacs

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 18:04 (nine months ago) link

i made a thread for masterpiece bc i heard the title track and "real love" and thought they were pretty tight and also at the time they were on saddle creek, who put out hop along's painted shut the year before. both bands felt special in a similar way. i'm def an unwitting victim of the pr machine

― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, October 15, 2019 10:01 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

ha my old roommate was a super trad rock dude who had white stripes posters on our living room wall. He would play new rock sometimes & I mostly found it super boring. I got into the first Big Thief album bc it was the best thing he played to my ears -- was a little embarrassed for liking it at first bc it had some indie-pop perpetua vibes which has never been my aesthetic wheelhouse but her voice was distinct enough & there were some surprisingly good songs on it, esp for such a familiar aesthetic, and after a few times hearing it I started listening to it on my own

had no idea the band was going to broaden its sound like it did but it was such an organic discovery process for me its difficult to follow that tweet

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 18:20 (nine months ago) link

i don't like what i have heard of the new album which is not a lot but i would never ever dare to say it is not good. that's a very patronising statement. it's more like my ears and eventually my brain do not seem to be made to appreciate it. but i liked large chunks of the album before.

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 19:01 (nine months ago) link

I feel the same as you, voodoo chili. Myself, what keeps me from full-bore adoring these most recent two albums are the Extremely Strong Lyrics that I was hearing on Capacity which are largely absent

i could chug a keg of you (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 19:05 (nine months ago) link

i do not perceive as much of a gap between the lyrics of capacity and the following two records as you do fgti, but i get where you're coming from. the songs on capacity feel like they all have this personal specificity and inwardly-searching quality, and together they end up touching on gender and power dynamics, family, presence and absence, scenes of horror and beauty lining up simultaneously without a sense of irony and more with a sense of this is just how things happen. ufof is much more mystical and outwardly-directed and about getting kissed by the flicker of a lake but songs like "from" and verses like "driving through the night / rings of crystal, crystal light / every gulp of the warm suburb air / betsy's auburn, auburn hair"... idk it's less specific but i'm still stunned and a little terrified. i do not have a grip on two hands lyrically at the moment; imo "shoulders" is a capacity-quality lyric but "shoulders" is as old as capacity is

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 19:27 (nine months ago) link

in trying to make that post not horrible i ended up reading a lot of big thief lyrics and capacity's title track just has this perfect verse tucked away inside of it

Slipping away from the party
Totally vacant
Everyone gone from their bodies
You were outside kissing another
She was a friend of mine
I was surprised to discover
I wrapped my arms around her
She was a beautiful figure

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 19:29 (nine months ago) link

also really love "evelyn's kiss was oxygen / i leaned over to take it in" from "shark smile"

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 19:30 (nine months ago) link

shit doesn't even rhyme right

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 19:35 (nine months ago) link

lyrics on UFOF were very hard for me to get a hold on (other than maybe From and Terminal Paradise). These already seem a little easier but still not as immediate as Capacity. I feel like she is very much not trying to write with the same level of immediacy though and is going for something more abstract and oblique.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 19:36 (nine months ago) link

shit doesn't even rhyme right

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, October 15, 2019 12:35 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

oh no i take it all back

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 19:39 (nine months ago) link

When she holds me in her jaw
All my blood dripping
Will I be free
To cease gripping?

is one that has been standing out for me so far

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 19:45 (nine months ago) link

tell me i'm rare

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 19:47 (nine months ago) link

When she holds me in her jaw
All my blood dripping
Will I be free
To cease gripping?

is one that has been standing out for me so far

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive),

that's from "Wolf," right? It stood out in the car this morning, in part b/c there's nothing lupine about the arrangement.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 19:48 (nine months ago) link

capacity had beautiful, inward-facing lyrics that gave the quiet arrangements a steely intensity. UFOF had these super-intuitive, earwormy melodies that still pop into my head even though i haven't gone back and listened for a while. Two Hands, so far, is a more visceral listening experience with moments that show off just how tight these guys have become, but i'm feeling less emotional connection to the songs. there is still time for them to worm their way into my head like the last two albums did.

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 19:53 (nine months ago) link

in about 20 years of seeing live music constantly, i can count on one finger the number of times i've seen a band perform a new song and have it immediately become my favorite of theirs. heck i've been all over the big thief threads obsessing over 'not' for about a year now.

preaching to the choir here, but this band is special

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 19:55 (nine months ago) link

Yeah I felt that way when I saw her solo live, and also "From" became my favorite song of theirs for a while after just watching a video of it once. In fact, when I saw her live I enjoyed hearing the unfamiliar songs much more than the familiar ones, and when she played "Paul" it almost felt trite.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 20:09 (nine months ago) link

Listening to this album now... not quite what I expected (one way or another) for something that kicked up all this discourse, but it's good... I like the song "Not" a lot. Her singing, and some melodies, remind me a bit of Will Oldham.

drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 22:59 (nine months ago) link

Will Oldham is a good reference point, yeah. I really like Two Hands, I don't know if more than U.F.O.F., but not less in any case. Song for song, it may be stronger.

It's funny to me for Big Thief to get called out as indie darlings, because I've had an aversion to a lot of indie darlings — TVOTR, Arcade Fire, most of the Strokes and Animal Collective — but I don't feel that way at all about them. Obviously they are indie darlings by definition, 9.0 in Pitchfork and all, but I think that's mostly because they're a good, interesting band. They remind me of some things I like, Blonde Redhead was the first thing that came to mind in some places, but are their own distinct and odd entity. The interplay between the musicians is as interesting as the songwriting, they have a particular cohesiveness that reminds me of Sonic Youth or R.E.M. in their earlier years, when you can hear the whole unit really coming together and exploring what they can do.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 02:13 (eight months ago) link

i know it doesnt choogle in the same way, but i feel like the psych guitar solo freakout of "not" lives in the same neighborhood as "ramble tamble" by ccr

i'm not a government man; i'm a government, man. (m bison), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 02:23 (eight months ago) link

this record has so many classic rock touchstones which is kinda refreshing in 2019.

still on not which is a monster, but the way the drummer lets fills go past the first of the next measure beat feels v mick fleetwood. the major-minor switch is p beatlesly and shows up a lot. there's a lot of traditional i-iv and i-iv-v chord progressions which i dont recall them using as much on previous records. uh, the second song reminds me of tom petty for some reason? "wolf" sounds kinda fahey-ish to me. it's like there's familiarity but enough variation where it's not just a pastiche. i dont know if i like this as much as capacity of ufof yet, altho "not" is absolutely my fav song by them. there is so much mileage out of those three chords. (someone better at music theory feel free to correct me, im an amateur)

i'm not a government man; i'm a government, man. (m bison), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 02:28 (eight months ago) link

i hear so much Silkworm in it but I'm sure that is entirely coincidental

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 02:46 (eight months ago) link

Silkworm was the first band I thought of when I heard the solo the first time.

Tim Midyett from Silkworm agrees, he tweeted this about "Not"

Missed the one after Masterpiece (so far), wasn't nuts about UFOF. Here once again tho...*very closely aligned* with my band's own jams and my overall preferences for a life in music, including the melody-wrecking coda (mmmmmwhah). So I love it

the solo is the most Andy Cohen thing i've ever heard that isn't Andy or Karl Hendricks. which is good, world needs more of it

woman in the dunes, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 03:25 (eight months ago) link

there's a lot of traditional i-iv [...]chord progressions which i dont recall them using as much on previous records

'we have the same power, we have the same power'

love ufof now btw, will revisit this one once i've played it out

lumen (esby), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 05:01 (eight months ago) link

not that they’ve never used it ofc

i'm not a government man; i'm a government, man. (m bison), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 10:43 (eight months ago) link

So far the tracks I'm loving most are Rock and Sing, Those Girls, Shoulders, Not, Wolf. I love the way the album just opens on beat/full band with a lyric -- was thinking about starting a thread about "no intro" albums/songs that start like that.

I think the bassist is kind of the secret hero of this record -- there are some just gorgeous moments where the bass momentarily rises above the band and then plunges back down again into the mix, like the brief instrumental coda of Rock and Sing or the bass fills during the guitar solo on Not.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 17:00 (eight months ago) link

xxxpost - WITD thanks for sharing! that is cool he's into it and glad it just wasn't me

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 17:01 (eight months ago) link

Hmm I sort of missed the boat on Silkworm and that makes me want to spend more time with their music

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 17:40 (eight months ago) link

this all feels very arcade fire to me like the yr they broke through with a set of emotionally direct competent rock songs

Hinklepicker, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 18:32 (eight months ago) link

just saw an advert for this album at London's busiest tube station, they've officially transcended the usual means of dissemination and gone Royal. this unfortunately means i have to view them with suspicion from now on

imago, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 18:35 (eight months ago) link

lj take a day of PTO no one can be that vigilant all the time

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 18:59 (eight months ago) link

Big Thief already have a larger catalog of interesting songs than The Arcade Fire

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 19:03 (eight months ago) link

TBF, a lot of people who’ve put out any music at all can claim that distinction.

Una Palooka Dronka (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 20:15 (eight months ago) link

I've been trying to figure out for a while what Buck Meek's stage movements remind me of, and I just realized it's those Chuck E Cheese animatronic bands

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 20:19 (eight months ago) link

well, yeah

xp

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 20:27 (eight months ago) link

Their performance of "Not" on Colbert last week was great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWW-eKX8uSo

Wally P. Doyle, Thursday, 17 October 2019 05:28 (eight months ago) link

they are very good live!

Simon H., Thursday, 17 October 2019 06:12 (eight months ago) link

I've been trying to figure out for a while what Buck Meek's stage movements remind me of, and I just realized it's those Chuck E Cheese animatronic bands


lol can’t unsee it

i'm not a government man; i'm a government, man. (m bison), Thursday, 17 October 2019 10:51 (eight months ago) link

IDK why but that ganz tweet got under my skin and it keeps coming to mind. Something about a music critic at the paper of record just taking a big public dump on something I love, not even an artful takedown but just "this is bad and you are pretending to like it" with no further explanation.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 17 October 2019 15:47 (eight months ago) link

good that I'm not on twitter

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 17 October 2019 15:48 (eight months ago) link

The entire “people are only pretending to like this because...” form of criticism is empty

omar little, Thursday, 17 October 2019 15:50 (eight months ago) link

Not defending that garbage tweet but it does happen sometimes.

pomenitul, Thursday, 17 October 2019 15:51 (eight months ago) link

xp -- not even so much as a "because" is part of what bothered me about it. Yes, it is possible for hype to take hold of a crowd and for something to sort of get overly pumped by that. Usually time erases that phenomenon. Honestly I feel like no one is more susceptible to it than music writers.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 17 October 2019 15:55 (eight months ago) link

But also, no music writer really has any special ability to discern when it is happening to others around them.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 17 October 2019 15:55 (eight months ago) link

Mostly men telling me I’m wrong! Love 2 tweet.

— cganz (@mehpatrol) October 15, 2019

pomenitul, Thursday, 17 October 2019 15:57 (eight months ago) link

*rolls eyes*

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 17 October 2019 15:59 (eight months ago) link

take comfort in the fact that "big thief is actually bad at making music" is such a wildly stupid thing to suggest that i would not really ever take this guy seriously no matter where he worked.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 17 October 2019 15:59 (eight months ago) link

lol and then to come back with "men tweeting," f this guy

call all destroyer, Thursday, 17 October 2019 16:00 (eight months ago) link

Is that a gender-neutral use of 'guy'?

pomenitul, Thursday, 17 October 2019 16:02 (eight months ago) link

oh my bad, did not actually know who this person was

call all destroyer, Thursday, 17 October 2019 16:04 (eight months ago) link

I mean it was mostly men telling her she was right too, but so pointless to even respond. Wouldn't care if it wasn't someone with that particular imprimatur.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 17 October 2019 16:06 (eight months ago) link

Ugh, dudebros and their queer woman-fronted bands who sing about pansexuality and gender anormativity, amirite

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 17 October 2019 16:06 (eight months ago) link

lol. the worst

drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Thursday, 17 October 2019 16:11 (eight months ago) link

That Colbert performance is good (the drummer = a Brett Gelman character)

drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Thursday, 17 October 2019 17:52 (eight months ago) link

theres def bands driven by media hype but this isnt one of them...media is at best keeping up w/ the irl buzz and at worst slightly behind

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, 18 October 2019 07:37 (eight months ago) link

first album still the best imo

be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Friday, 18 October 2019 07:54 (eight months ago) link

I forgot to mention there was a jammy segue in the live show that made me think of Jandek!

Simon H., Friday, 18 October 2019 08:02 (eight months ago) link

i'm not super into this band (haven't been all along) BUT that is a very good song and that video up there is a great performance that really lets you see how each member of that band has a sort of weird, wild-eyed, slightly unsettling quality that you can't take your eyes off of. (Lenker the least so, but she is the focal point, so...)

they're like a band full of the guy in the corner of the bus station that is making a harmless scene and you're keeping an eye on him without looking his way. i mean this in a very complimentary way, of course.

alpine static, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:59 (eight months ago) link

The band's look in that clip reminds me of the end of The Apple, when BIM shows up at the park w/Mr. Boogalow, sporting a "new style"... don't even think about @'ing me

drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Friday, 18 October 2019 19:36 (eight months ago) link

the difference between "not liking something" and "something not being good" and I argue this band is not good. People love what they love. I'm just making a critical statement and a social observation. Obv. fallacy of "objectivity," but she could make a possibly persuasive or significant case, just prob not on Twitter---where so many people (incl. me at times) think they're masters of the mic-drop maxim, and the more insistent they are, the more loaded the lines, the less likely it is to worke.
However! When she says that it's mostly guys telling her she's wrong, that is more significant: a friend quoted his w!fe as saying, when asked (not bothering to volunteer an opinion on a then-celebrated singer-songwriter, I forget who) that she was okay, though very "womany"--projecting this ingratiating, sympathy-seeking image, brave and thoughtful, confiding her experiences, brave and tendah---well, and also the early rock critic Ellen Willis, while professionally and personally immersed in the Janis Joplin experience, especially live, came to wonder, as she stood near guys also immersed, if the theatricality, the sonic baptizm, which could be pretty strenuous for all concerned, especially when Joplin was still with Big Brother, if all this Story of the Pain and Glory of Womanhood, waw not somehow making it too easy for guys, with another far-out rock spectacle, throw yer popcorn in the air (well, the breakthrough album was Cheap Thrills--wonder how Joplin, no dummy would have dealt with this if she had lived longer, like well into the 70s wave of feminism)
But I can only say, I've got a simple male mind, and I like what I like.

dow, Friday, 18 October 2019 20:46 (eight months ago) link

you can't apply either of those descriptions to this band, they're not courting the gaze of the male counterculture

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 18 October 2019 20:52 (eight months ago) link

not that janis was or whoever that singer-songwriter is is

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 18 October 2019 20:53 (eight months ago) link

It reminds me of my suspicion of male critics or fans who praise a female performer's sexuality as a sign of her independence

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 October 2019 20:53 (eight months ago) link

xpost

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 October 2019 20:53 (eight months ago) link

theres def bands driven by media hype but this isnt one of them...media is at best keeping up w/ the irl buzz and at worst slightly behind

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, October 18, 2019 12:37 AM (thirteen hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

deej on point here, if anything the critical hysteria that PFM has worked up around bands has historically tended to fall flat if the band in question wasn't of interest to people beyond the initial hype wave. there are so many justly or unjustly forgotten acts who caught a BNM merit badge with an OTT, rhapsodic review and subsequently vanished. primarily bc people weren't interested in what they had to offer, despite this small group of critics writing for an influential website who championed them. And Big Thief i guess kind of "arrived" due to a similar early notice from PF and other similar sites w/Masterpiece, but they stuck around (maybe even quietly so, with little hype), and the reason this one is catching more notice is because people have finally caught up and of course "Not" is massive.

omar little, Friday, 18 October 2019 20:56 (eight months ago) link

and also the early rock critic Ellen Willis, while professionally and personally immersed in the Janis Joplin experience, especially live, came to wonder, as she stood near guys also immersed, if the theatricality, the sonic baptizm, which could be pretty strenuous for all concerned, especially when Joplin was still with Big Brother, if all this Story of the Pain and Glory of Womanhood, waw not somehow making it too easy for guys, with another far-out rock spectacle, throw yer popcorn in the air

I lost the thread here -- "somehow making it too easy for guys" to what?

drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Friday, 18 October 2019 20:58 (eight months ago) link

Making it too easy for guys to enjoy the show and not be challenged by what she was making of the struggles of women and Woman.
I think "womany" had to do with seeming to seek sympathy from whomever, not just guys. However Joplin thought about courting her mass audience, which she sure worked for, she was, for Willis and everybody back then (incl. me), somebody who was saying what otherwise wasn't being heard by so many, no matter what or how much they thought of it---when Willis wrote "Lessons of Chicago," about '68 Democratic Convention chaos. she was described in the notes on contributors to that isse of New American Review as "a member of Women's Liberation, a feminist organization"--es-o-ter-ic, man---also check that eyewitness account on xgau's site, of Jefferson Airplane concert where Slick tried to let it blurt and got razzed by the largely male audience, visibly patronized by her otherwise all-male band---those were different tymes (in some ways)

dow, Friday, 18 October 2019 21:12 (eight months ago) link

And I'm not saying I was or am more sensitive than those bros over there etc., but she did make me think about a lot of stuff I didn't particularly want to think about or deal with.

dow, Friday, 18 October 2019 21:14 (eight months ago) link

woo ok i'm out of my depth here

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 18 October 2019 21:15 (eight months ago) link

IDG what any of that has to do with this band whatsoever xp

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 18 October 2019 21:16 (eight months ago) link

FWIW, I took “Mostly men telling me I’m wrong” to be a general social media move, rather than a claim that d00ds were responding to a female-fronted band in a particular way (tho who knows)

drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Friday, 18 October 2019 21:18 (eight months ago) link

Yeah see that's the prob with tweets.

dow, Friday, 18 October 2019 21:18 (eight months ago) link

has she written a piece about this?

dow, Friday, 18 October 2019 21:19 (eight months ago) link

no, and that's sort of the frustrating thing, I would be fine with her writing a reasoned takedown of Big Thief that I didn't agree with, at least relatively more fine than with just a shitty tweet with no explanation. I just kind of expect better from a music critic at a major publication. But then that is sort of the problem with Twitter -- for all I know it was just some drunk tweet that she made after having an argument with someone.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 18 October 2019 21:22 (eight months ago) link

Yeah, and it didn't start with Twitter---some of those little shit % run Real Life Ten/Consumer Guide lines came way before (although some other lines got me to buy shit I admit)

dow, Friday, 18 October 2019 21:29 (eight months ago) link

shit & run, that is

dow, Friday, 18 October 2019 21:30 (eight months ago) link

Seeking sympathy is of course not a bad thing in itself---and I don't think Lenker is trying to be the
new vanguard of feminist etc. and/or a superstar, maybe any kind of star, but I'm sure *some* women a9nd maybe some guys) are like, "Oh sure, lady," like she can seem inward-turning, twee (re the early REM appeal) at times, but then, as w Stipe, she's got that band ready when she wants to step forward, so look out for the oblique strokes

dow, Friday, 18 October 2019 21:37 (eight months ago) link

One of the things that strikes me about Big Thief and maybe also about the time in which they exist is that they seem able to be feminist and queer-friendly and all that stuff in a small way, without needing to announce it to the world or put themselves in a box the way "lilith fair" type acts might have done in the 90s. And admittedly I probably am more likely to respond to them because of that, because they're not holding up a big sign that says "this is specifically for someone other than you."

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 18 October 2019 21:48 (eight months ago) link

Agree 100% with the sentiment above that Big Thief do not seem to be actively courting hype or backlash. At least, from my perspective as a 42yo dad who mostly keeps up with music via this board, Spotify algorithms and Wikipedia rabbit holes.

I find Big Thief’s music to be so insular and unassuming, full of depth that’s not totally apparent on first listen. Even four albums in I still get the sense they’re just building a devoted cult following—nothing that would warrant a vicious takedown, whether in article or tweet form.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, 19 October 2019 00:53 (eight months ago) link

the first time i heard "paul" from masterpiece i thought, well this is an extremely accomplished + assured song for some random band's debut album. and they've just continued from there. i haven't vibed with every song on every album but to suggest that the band that wrote "mythological beauty" or "not" is failing on some sort of objective level is ridiculous.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 19 October 2019 01:01 (eight months ago) link

there's a moment at about 3:08 in that late show performance where the camera gets all of them singing the chorus and it's as locked in as i've ever seen a band doing a tv spot.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 19 October 2019 03:19 (eight months ago) link

Okay so as well as 'Teenage Dirtbag', I realised that Forgotten Eyes really reminds me of early Radiohead b side 'How Can You Be Sure', which I can't find on YouTube but honestly.

It's amazing how much BT occasionally remind me of Radiohead without specifically sounding like them. I'm betting the guitarist is a huge Johnny Greenwood stan

frame casual (dog latin), Saturday, 19 October 2019 12:26 (eight months ago) link

their chord progressions sometimes feel very radiohead-esque too, which is quite nice since not much else out there evokes the same feeling as in rainbows

ufo, Saturday, 19 October 2019 12:52 (eight months ago) link

Indeed. Now if only she could sing like Thom Yorke ca. The Bends

pomenitul, Saturday, 19 October 2019 12:54 (eight months ago) link

actually i think her voice is a fair bit reminiscent of thom's

ufo, Saturday, 19 October 2019 12:55 (eight months ago) link

As a side note, I seem to be utterly alone on this one, if my cursory 5 minute Google search is anything to go by.

pomenitul, Saturday, 19 October 2019 12:55 (eight months ago) link

huh dow I never thought of xgau's smug dickhead quippy one liner reviews as proto Twitter but they kind of are

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 19 October 2019 14:03 (eight months ago) link

Saying it’s good cuz it’s not loud and proud queer or bc it sounds like Radiohead?? Stop ruining this band lmao

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Saturday, 19 October 2019 19:31 (eight months ago) link

i hate to beat a dead horse, but big thief have seized the heart of my partner--someone who has never listened to nor cared about indie rock in her life. needless to say she was offended by the nyt critic's tweet

they were excellent last night in chicago. cattails and not were clear highlights. it goes without saying, but SEE THIS BAND LIVE

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Saturday, 19 October 2019 20:00 (eight months ago) link

buck also played a solo number which kinda blew me away. so much talent in this band

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Saturday, 19 October 2019 20:01 (eight months ago) link

love a POPCAST talking dababy, memes, real rap perseverance, moshing and catching feelings at rolling loud w/ @joecoscarelli

(also incl. bonus #defend @mehpatrol footage)https://t.co/GqodFzYmHE

— Jon Caramanica (@joncaramanica) October 19, 2019

NYT not about to let you get away with liking an indie band in 2019

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 20 October 2019 16:47 (eight months ago) link

/troll

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 20 October 2019 16:51 (eight months ago) link

Last few times I've listened to this, I kept thinking - "I'll bet these guys were big fans of Wheat's '99 'Hope and Adams' record.'

BlackIronPrison, Sunday, 20 October 2019 17:06 (eight months ago) link

yeah i mean come on, they start off the whole conversation by saying that ganz has a private twitter, which she does not.

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Sunday, 20 October 2019 17:09 (eight months ago) link

I checked this out with a chip on my shoulder -- "how good can it be, this album I keep hearing about, I don't really listen to indie rock much, I'm not going to like this but I guess I should find out what it sounds like." fucking blown away. I listened to the one from earlier this year, too, and it was good, but this album has a very locked-in musicians-listening-to-one-another feel that just astonished me. what outstanding music.

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 20:10 (eight months ago) link

<3

i'm not a government man; i'm a government, man. (m bison), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 23:42 (eight months ago) link

"Orange" from UFOF is the one that devastates me.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 23:44 (eight months ago) link

This one's recorded pretty much live in a dusty room in a desert or something, isn't it? I think that's a BIG contributing factor to the locked-in musicianliness of it.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 08:48 (eight months ago) link

i listened to the album twice today and guess what? i really liked it, i got over her voice or maybe better into her voice. except one song which destroys the flow and which i have to skip as it is just too much pastiche, too obvious. it's "not" which almost made me not listen to the rest of the album as i didn't like it from the beginning on and couldn't join into everybody's hooray. it definitely deserves it's name.

walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 20:06 (eight months ago) link

"Orange" from UFOF is the one that devastates me.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 23:44 (yesterday) link

Have you listened to her pre-BT solo stuff at all? Because Orange reminds me of some of it.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 20:19 (eight months ago) link

wayne and garth in mainhatten

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 21:08 (eight months ago) link

the album lives up to the name Two Hands because that's what i used to cover my ears

omar little, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 21:19 (eight months ago) link

I don't understand how a listener could really like most of this album, but strongly dislike "Not."

drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 21:46 (eight months ago) link

even the second part of "not" with the guitar jam is really boring and conventional. in parts it reminds me of the endless guitar noodling of 70s prog rock. corny and asking for a punk rock answer.

walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 22:04 (eight months ago) link

no

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 22:10 (eight months ago) link

alex, dude - it sounds like Greg Ginn playing with the Voidoids

drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 22:27 (eight months ago) link

which prog rock bands specifically does it remind you of

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 22:28 (eight months ago) link

big thief.

case. closed.

i'm not a government man; i'm a government, man. (m bison), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 23:25 (eight months ago) link

to be fair, Not is kind of a pale imitation of The Gates of Delirium.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 23:29 (eight months ago) link

I'm going to keep saying it sounds like Silkworm because only like 5000 ppl like Silkworm and we are super nerds, also it's true

I don't get the prog thing at all

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 23:55 (eight months ago) link

jk actually Big Thief sounds like National Health meets Porcupine Tree

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 23:57 (eight months ago) link

having spent some more time with it over the past week i definitely hear the 'worm in this record

call all destroyer, Thursday, 24 October 2019 00:07 (eight months ago) link

I bought the CD to-day

drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Thursday, 24 October 2019 03:39 (eight months ago) link

oh boy

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 October 2019 10:07 (eight months ago) link

5,000 RPM inside the player

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 24 October 2019 10:26 (eight months ago) link

Yeah man, it really spins good in there

drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:28 (eight months ago) link

anyone have the vinyl?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:30 (eight months ago) link

finally got around to listening to this. Some amazing song writing as to be expected but the sound blows me away here. not sure where i place it in their catalog yet after only my first listen .

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 24 October 2019 16:07 (eight months ago) link

haven't caught up on the last 2 albums yet but just wanna point out that the status quo indie rock 'one thread per album' model is a terrible way to organize online discussion on this plain text message board

flopson, Thursday, 24 October 2019 23:51 (eight months ago) link

I think this is really a remarkable album... It just holds you in the palm of its hand. There’s something almost “outsider”-y about it, as if they’re roughly transmutating esoteric sources of inspiration into the earthy language of rock and roll (and, I guess, “folk”).

drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Friday, 25 October 2019 00:29 (eight months ago) link

I've got the vinyl with 'desert peach` colouring. pretty much every new record I buy these days is a special colour

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Friday, 25 October 2019 12:10 (eight months ago) link

decent pressing?get so wary of new indie vinyl

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 October 2019 14:32 (eight months ago) link

I got the regular black vinyl, just as I did with UFOF, they sound very decent (i.e. good) to me

willem, Friday, 25 October 2019 14:55 (eight months ago) link

anyone have the vinyl?

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap

Yeah, I got the peach colored version and it's terrible quality. The second side in particular is so bad due to it being off centre. I had to return it and I'm not sure if I'm going to try it again or just get the CD.

kitchen person, Friday, 25 October 2019 15:09 (eight months ago) link

ah thanks, that's what I worried when I saw the peach whatever bullshit

CD it is

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 October 2019 15:31 (eight months ago) link

Looking on Discogs, it looks like some people have had the same issue as me but some have got lucky and say it's fine. I'll probably just go for the CD as it gets a bit tiring and takes the fun out of it trying to find good copies sometimes. I had to buy and return four different versions of the last Japanese Breakfast album before I got one that played perfectly.

kitchen person, Friday, 25 October 2019 15:36 (eight months ago) link

I didn't notice anything wrong with mine, but then I have wonky hearing anyway

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Friday, 25 October 2019 15:38 (eight months ago) link

My peach colored LP sounds good

omar little, Friday, 25 October 2019 15:42 (eight months ago) link

The title track is fuckin bliss

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 25 October 2019 16:31 (eight months ago) link

^^^ it's great, isn't it? i like what the guitar does and i love those weird, scratchy,dissonant noises at 1:20. is that a violin they are massacring there? it comes back near the end. the next song "those girls" is beautiful as well especially the transition and the sudden end and the long pause after which is like a big huge fullstop.

walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 25 October 2019 16:51 (eight months ago) link

Just listened to both 2019 albums back to back, now that I’ve had some time with both. They are both among my favorite albums released this year but Two Hands now feels for sure the superior of the two. It has a little more variety, highs and lows.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 25 October 2019 17:00 (eight months ago) link

i love those weird, scratchy,dissonant noises at 1:20. is that a violin they are massacring there? it comes back near the end.

got it wrong as i was listening on my cell phone. at 1:20 it's a flute making those shrill sounds.

walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 25 October 2019 19:10 (eight months ago) link

This band should make a play for the “I’ve Got My Own Album to Do” thread, by naming their next one Big Thief Energy

dracula et son fils (morrisp), Thursday, 31 October 2019 02:15 (eight months ago) link

(be sure to hit the ‘subscribe’ button so you don’t miss a single one of my posts)

dracula et son fils (morrisp), Thursday, 31 October 2019 02:16 (eight months ago) link

*hits that like button*

i'm not a government man; i'm a government, man. (m bison), Thursday, 31 October 2019 02:50 (eight months ago) link

Cover: Shot from below, all members of band with obviously massively stuffed pants, Adrianne's pants are the most-stuffed

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 31 October 2019 14:55 (eight months ago) link

surprised by people's love for the opening track. does very little for me other than work as a lead-in

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Thursday, 31 October 2019 15:20 (eight months ago) link

I think it's very effective, both musically & lyrically (and obv. it pulls you immediately into the world of the album). Love the final verse, and the way the song ends after a simple musical phrase, when it could have kept going.

dracula et son fils (morrisp), Thursday, 31 October 2019 17:41 (eight months ago) link

Saw them last night, they were pretty solid. The Two Hands songs worked particularly well, building up track by track to a real rock spectacle. I was a little surprised that U.F.O.F. felt fairly unrepresented, but I suppose the folksier songs might not carry as well in such a big venue.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 17:05 (eight months ago) link

good to hear ! i'll be seeing them saturday

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 15:51 (eight months ago) link

she flubbed the lines on a couple songs when i saw her on sunday but i assume that's the result of constantly having new lyrics popping into her head. great show otherwise

Heez, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 17:23 (eight months ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC_uaObunMg

They're a funny bunch, aren't they?

djh, Friday, 29 November 2019 19:22 (seven months ago) link

Why, in this setting, would one choose to play without a shirt on?

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 29 November 2019 22:54 (seven months ago) link

Can't buy that vibe at the mall, man

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 29 November 2019 23:18 (seven months ago) link

4AD has a 25% off code on their site now, with shipping got this and UFOF for $31

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 8 December 2019 03:34 (seven months ago) link

I’ve been a little surprised to see that UFOF seems to be the album showing up on EOY list. Or to be more precise, I’m surprised this one is being omitted.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Sunday, 8 December 2019 06:42 (seven months ago) link

^^ one friend of mine who did that in his list just straight up admitted "I haven't had time to hear the new one yet"

sleeve, Sunday, 8 December 2019 07:04 (seven months ago) link

I noticed that too (and was also surprised).

New Car Smell (morrisp), Sunday, 8 December 2019 07:08 (seven months ago) link

I’m not yet clicking with the new one the way I did with UFOF, “not” notwithstanding.

Una Palooka Dronka (hardcore dilettante), Sunday, 8 December 2019 11:59 (seven months ago) link

likewise

peloton for the painfully alone (m bison), Sunday, 8 December 2019 12:38 (seven months ago) link

same. will give it some more time though as most people here are so positive. i don't think i'll ever get behind the "this album has a very locked-in musicians-listening-to-one-another feel" though - not to dismiss it, i just don't think i'd know it if i heard it.

The Pingularity (ledge), Sunday, 8 December 2019 14:34 (seven months ago) link

Thanos for the heads up on the 4AD sale. Taking advantage of it now.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 8 December 2019 16:50 (seven months ago) link

The craziest thing to me would be to rate one album highly—high enough to be best if the year—yet not feel the same about the other. There are differences to be sure but the overall quality is high on both. They are a fitting pair even if not officially a double album.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Sunday, 8 December 2019 17:19 (seven months ago) link

many XP

thanks for the 4AD tip! snagged them both as well. Also, scott walker's "the drift" double LP for $13!

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 8 December 2019 18:58 (seven months ago) link

They're a funny bunch, aren't they?

― djh, Friday, November 29, 2019 2:22 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

What is the sound of one clave?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 9 December 2019 04:12 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

I finally got around to “getting into” their other albums.... what an absurdly good band. It feels almost preposterous that they’ve written & recorded this many great songs in the span of just a few years.

stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Thursday, 16 January 2020 02:57 (five months ago) link

It’s remarkable how many different styles and “moods” they inhabit, while always sounding like themselves. (Some of the songs on Capacity almost have a Pinback feel — that measured, chiming, tick-tock quality.)

stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Thursday, 16 January 2020 03:14 (five months ago) link

Also, I don’t typically notice lyrics unless they’re very good (or very bad) — and Adrianne’s are clearly very, very good.

stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Thursday, 16 January 2020 03:26 (five months ago) link

Yes. These guys are the real deal.

kornrulez6969, Thursday, 16 January 2020 15:31 (five months ago) link

I found a secondhand copy of Masterpiece for about £12 the other day, meaning I just need Capacity to own them all. I have a sneaking feeling Capacity is their best, but that's nonsense - ofc ourse the one that's their best is whichever one I'm listneing to at the time, right?

That said, I find there's a bit on each album (usually towards the end) where I'm not as into the songs. Or maybe they're just not as instantaneous.

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Thursday, 16 January 2020 15:43 (five months ago) link

NOT TO DIE
NOT DYING
NOT TO LAUGH
NOT LYING

alpine static, Thursday, 16 January 2020 18:51 (five months ago) link

the crack (rasp?) in her voice on that "it's not the hunger" line just slays me

The Squalls Of Hate (sleeve), Thursday, 16 January 2020 19:16 (five months ago) link

Masterpiece is the "poppiest" / most immediate; Two Hands is the heaviest / most intense. The other two fall in between, I guess...

stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Thursday, 16 January 2020 21:33 (five months ago) link

NOT TO DIE
NOT DYING
NOT TO LAUGH
NOT LYING

― alpine static, Thursday, January 16, 2020 12:51 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

fucking love that part

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 16 January 2020 21:37 (five months ago) link

Masterpiece is the "poppiest" / most immediate; Two Hands is the heaviest / most intense. The other two fall in between, I guess...

― stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Thursday, January 16, 2020 2:33 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

ufof is the most spectral, capacity has a little of everything

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 January 2020 21:42 (five months ago) link

i still think capacity is the best one

culture of mayordom (voodoo chili), Thursday, 16 January 2020 21:56 (five months ago) link

agreed

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 January 2020 21:57 (five months ago) link

Shark Smile was the first track I ever heard and loved right away

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 16 January 2020 22:15 (five months ago) link

Masterpiece: Bang
Capacity: Back From the Dead
UFOF: Bang 2
Two Hands: AlmightySo

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 16 January 2020 22:29 (five months ago) link

Two Hands has left the biggest impression on me overall though

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 16 January 2020 22:32 (five months ago) link

pvmic

xp

culture of mayordom (voodoo chili), Thursday, 16 January 2020 22:34 (five months ago) link

Is it wrong though

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 16 January 2020 22:34 (five months ago) link

it makes more sense than it should

culture of mayordom (voodoo chili), Thursday, 16 January 2020 22:41 (five months ago) link

I'm not sure Two Hands is the heaviest. 'Not' is heavy, and the sound is rawer and more upfront than UFOF but Capacity feels weightier in comparison

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Friday, 17 January 2020 02:14 (five months ago) link

I dunno, there are parts of Two Hands that I almost find hard to listen to — due to that rawness, and intensity, and lyrics that evoke things of terrible gravity (without naming them directly):

Charcoal womb, the jet planes purr
And the croon, distant as paper
Children burn, faceless vapor
'Cause the toy in my hand is real


That’s some heavy shit!

stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Friday, 17 January 2020 02:41 (five months ago) link

(But I also haven’t spent as much time with Capacity yet.)

stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Friday, 17 January 2020 02:44 (five months ago) link

"mythological beauty" from capacity has that rawness in spades. i'd copy and paste parts but then i'd just start pasting verses

https://genius.com/15624811

majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Friday, 17 January 2020 02:58 (five months ago) link

Masterpiece: Bang
Capacity: Back From the Dead
UFOF: Bang 2
Two Hands: AlmightySo

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, January 16, 2020 2:29 PM (five hours ago)

hall of fame post

alpine static, Friday, 17 January 2020 04:29 (five months ago) link

I've been enjoying watching YouTube videos of this band; there are some great ones (their Tiny Desk Concert is older and brief, but mesmerizing).

I particularly get a kick out of the thin, blonde guitarist with the unlikely name of "Buck Meek"... he's like some conglomeration of Buddy Holly, Andy Dick, and Zander Schloss, pulling a constant assortment of shimmies, jerks, grimaces, and head-bobs.

stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Friday, 17 January 2020 04:50 (five months ago) link

I'd say none of these 4 people are particularly shy about flaunting their sartorial eccentricities.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 17 January 2020 05:12 (five months ago) link

to their credit!

The Squalls Of Hate (sleeve), Friday, 17 January 2020 05:15 (five months ago) link

Thoguht I'd put together a 'Best-Of' / 'Beginner's Guide' for my pals

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/41650wZfn3Mjd0AMcjrWDT?si=We6DsegYSImEIb3HPRvBYw

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Friday, 17 January 2020 11:28 (five months ago) link

In line w my earlier post, this is one of the few indie bands where I feel like a ranked list of their songs would actually flesh out rather than minimize their talents .... 25 best big thief songs ranked or whatevr ... between that & releasing two albums in a year they kinda operate like a rap group

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, 17 January 2020 21:25 (five months ago) link

yep. and a band whom I'm very happy are churning it out because I spend a lot of time with each one and each is high quality

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Friday, 17 January 2020 21:29 (five months ago) link

I mentioned them to my uncle a little while back... he and I sometimes talk music, tho our tastes only occasionally align (he's mainly into mellow singer-songwriter/c&w).

He emailed me today that he's been listening to Masterpiece nonstop, and that he likes it even more than Two Hands ("because I'm old"). He also said that "Masterpiece" (the song) "weirdly and for reasons I haven't yet put my finger on makes me think of The Band's 'The Weight.'"

stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Friday, 17 January 2020 21:50 (five months ago) link

“Masterpiece” does have a 70s classic country-rock chug, & is a very easy entry point to the band for folks coming from alt-country. “The Weight” isn’t a huge stretch.

Una Palooka Dronka (hardcore dilettante), Monday, 20 January 2020 02:29 (five months ago) link

When I first heard the opener of 'Capacity' I mistook BT for a country-rock band. They definitely have a bit of Bobby Gentry / Delta Swamp Boogie feeling somewhere in there

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Monday, 20 January 2020 09:17 (five months ago) link

So far I've heard Capacity, U.F.O.F., and Two Hands, and I love them all. How does Adrianne's solo album (abysskiss) compare to them?

ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Monday, 20 January 2020 17:13 (five months ago) link

It’s acoustic, and fairly calm/meditative; with a bit of a “droning” effect from the repetitive fingerpicking and slow tempos. A few of the songs are performed by the full band on U.F.O.F.

Her earlier album, Hours Were the Birds, has a more traditional singer-songwriter feel.

stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Monday, 20 January 2020 18:45 (five months ago) link

of course the one that's their best is whichever one I'm listneing to at the time, right?

^I've sort of come around to this p.o.v., after listening all weekend.

Also, this band has a quality that reminds me of Led Zeppelin -- not because they sound anything alike (it's hard to imagine two more different singers!), but because each of their albums is so distinctive, and every song they've released carries a certain importance.

You know how you can find those online features with "All 92(?) 74(?) 87(?) Led Zeppelin Songs, Ranked"? (there's disagreement on how to count). Even your "Hats Off to (Roy) Harper," or whatever, is elevated just by being etched on that awesome stone tablet of the Official Zep Catalog. There are no Zep "throwaways"; every song is important & key, part of the mythology (...until maybe you get to Coda). I'm sure there are other bands whose fans would say something similar about them; but I don't think I would personally make the same claim about most of the bands I love (they all have "lesser" tracks here and there, or, "yeah, that's an ok song," etc.).

Big Thief are obviously only halfway to matching the Zep output -- though if the parallel is accurate, they're about to hit their most killer stretch (lol) -- but they feel similar to me, in the sense that each Big Thief song has its own center of gravity. Even the few songs I'm not super hot on (I wish Capacity's title track were a little less, I dunno, sludgy?) have my respect & attention, and feel like they should be inscribed up on the big Rock 'n Roll wall somewhere.

dad genes (morrisp), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 06:51 (five months ago) link

'Capacity' title track always reminds me of Moon River for some reason

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 12:08 (five months ago) link

xp yeah the first thing I thought when I heard them was Comus (voice, melodies) and then Zep (overall band vibe)

The Squalls Of Hate (sleeve), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 15:10 (five months ago) link

Huh, never heard of Comus (just looked them up). I mentioned on the other thread how I hear some Slapp Happy in certain Big Thief songs; looks like there may be some overlap there.

dad genes (morrisp), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 17:31 (five months ago) link

two weeks pass...

“Not” gets all the attn... but “Shoulders” is also

A

JAM

dad genes (morrisp), Sunday, 9 February 2020 05:02 (five months ago) link

Yeah Not I'd great and everything but maybe a tiny bit overrated at the expense of other songs on the album.

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Sunday, 9 February 2020 11:00 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.instagram.com/p/B-EAOdaDidy/

adrienne posted a lovely new song to instagram

ufo, Monday, 23 March 2020 08:52 (three months ago) link

why do i always misspell her name

ufo, Monday, 23 March 2020 08:57 (three months ago) link

be guided by the capitalized-“A” stylization: https://www.discogs.com/release/12550569-Stages-Of-The-Sun/images

morrisp, Monday, 23 March 2020 14:24 (three months ago) link

!!!

O_o

This is some Y Kant AdriAnne Read shit right there

rawdogging the pandemic (hardcore dilettante), Monday, 23 March 2020 23:00 (three months ago) link

www.AdriAnne.com is still under her control!

morrisp, Monday, 23 March 2020 23:35 (three months ago) link

three weeks pass...

A batch of recent demos on sale, to benefit their road crew: https://bigthief.bandcamp.com/album/demos-vol-1-topanga-canyon-ca-feb-2018

morrisp, Friday, 17 April 2020 03:46 (two months ago) link

One more: https://bigthief.ffm.to/loveinmine

“We all felt this song was one of the strongest
songs/captures in the Two Hands batch but we could never quite get it to fit in a sequence. Happy to be sharing it now”

I eat fast foods (morrisp), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 15:29 (two months ago) link

definitely too straightforwardly pretty for the album. splendid as a standalone single though

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 15:46 (two months ago) link

this sounds like a christine fleetwood mac song, its v v v good

methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 16:34 (two months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/XF9HQCQ.jpg

these twitter culture wars are outta control :(

I eat fast foods (morrisp), Friday, 8 May 2020 21:48 (two months ago) link

#bigthiefisoverparty

I eat fast foods (morrisp), Friday, 8 May 2020 21:48 (two months ago) link

It was just a matter of time

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 8 May 2020 21:52 (two months ago) link

I think we may be getting a few new albums soon, guys: www.instagram.com/p/CADtCEpH-t7/

(btw - what kind of cyber-guitar is Adrianne holding in that first pic??)

I eat fast foods (morrisp), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 05:19 (two months ago) link

I flubbed the link

I eat fast foods (morrisp), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 05:20 (two months ago) link

I flubbed the link and the link won

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 10:56 (two months ago) link

Got ahold of Lenker's first album, recorded when she was 13.

Kudos to her for getting an album out that early, but I wouldn't recommend it at all.

Cow_Art, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 12:10 (two months ago) link

Oh, nice! Good catch, did you find it in a store or online?

That alb is p terrible but it’s a charming kind of terrible, esp in light of what she’s doing now.

The little engine that choogled (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 21:13 (two months ago) link

that looks like one those things lee ritenour played. it’s on his Wayne Gretzky tribute album

brimstead, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 22:55 (two months ago) link

wait I’m mixing him up with Steve khan re: the Gretzky thing. Anyway here it is: https://www.discogs.com/Lee-Ritenour-Earth-Run/master/80205

brimstead, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 22:56 (two months ago) link

A SynthAxe(tm)?

brimstead, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 22:57 (two months ago) link

found it: Casio DG-1

https://youtu.be/3hf7AsraFx8

brimstead, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 23:00 (two months ago) link

Thx!

I eat fast foods (morrisp), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 23:09 (two months ago) link

Bought the first Lenker through Discogs. I’ve fallen pretty hard for Big Thief so I decided to start at the beginning. It’s not awful, but it sounds like a reasonably talented 13 year old
imitating... Sheryl Crow maybe? If she has any say in the matter, I can’t imagine it getting reissued anytime soon.

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:56 (two months ago) link

Pretty sure Lucid Tunes was a vanity label, likely run by her dad; this was its only other release. From what I've read, she and her dad are on good terms, so he's not likely to reissue it w/out her consent!

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 03:12 (two months ago) link

This demo "Mermaid" is sick... it's kind of a new take on the "Cattails" idea

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 03:39 (two months ago) link

These goofy-dressing hippies are the sickest band

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 03:41 (two months ago) link

really hoping the casio guitar is going to make the new album

ufo, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 04:11 (two months ago) link


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