Technological/practical "backward steps" we all just accept now

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I was watching a programme about Nokia which mentioned how Apple came along with its massive touchscreen, which sacrificed battery life and durability i.e. we all now accept that a phone battery will need charging at least every night and if we drop the phone the screen will shatter, which wasn't the case before. There must be tons of these?

My own personal bugbear is how you used to be able to change the TV channel with a remote instantaneously rather than having to wait a couple of seconds after pressing the button and now that's seemingly impossible.

On a larger scale it's probably a backwards step that everyone is expected to have a recent smartphone to conveniently do loads of things (show your boarding pass, or whatever) and shit stops being supported within a few versions. Music compression too. But I guess I'm thinking of specific annoyances that shouldn't even be problems.

I was only half-watching the Nokia programme so please feel free to correct my comprehensive history of Apple there.

kinder, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:14 (one year ago) link

the original gameboy lasted about eight years through new release support and actual durability of the hardware

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:17 (one year ago) link

Everybody's landline used to work in a blackout.

mick signals, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:33 (one year ago) link

^^ good one, also you can no longer get DC power from landlines

sleeve, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:34 (one year ago) link

taking the headphone jack away

sleeve, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:34 (one year ago) link

Audio fidelity/quality was better with landlines too.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:39 (one year ago) link

sez you, "Telecom"

kinder, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:41 (one year ago) link

:)

kinder, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:41 (one year ago) link

at my gym i have to log in on a giant touch screen to run on the fucking treadmill. the other day it asked me if i wanted to install updates. hl;kjalkjh;asgdhl;kasgd

cheese canopy (map), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:44 (one year ago) link

My own personal bugbear is how you used to be able to change the TV channel with a remote instantaneously rather than having to wait a couple of seconds after pressing the button and now that's seemingly impossible.

― kinder, 14. august 2019 00:14 (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Wait, what?

Frederik B, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:51 (one year ago) link

oh god please just go away

cheese canopy (map), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:54 (one year ago) link

iPod clickwheel RIP

Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:00 (one year ago) link

Audio fidelity/quality was better with landlines too

Right? It used to actually be enjoyable to talk on the phone (not to mention that handsets were much more ergonomic/comfortable/seemed less likely to induce brain cancer), no wonder phone calls seem like an intrusive nuisance now.

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:06 (one year ago) link

I realized too when I got an iPhone for xmas how much it suffered from an absence of the trackball on my old phone.

Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:12 (one year ago) link

The iPad was a bit of a stumble
-techno beaver

calstars, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:13 (one year ago) link

remote control thing is a great example. that drives me crazy any time i'm in a hotel or something and just want to enjoy the mindless zone-out of channel surfing. related: TVs coming with "motion smoothing" turned on by default and sometimes with no option to turn it off.

* many websites/apps/etc. have gotten slower and junkier as they've added features, loaded up with data-draining graphics and videos and scripts. like, just trying to see what the hourly weather forecast for tomorrow is involves a lot more clicking and waiting than it did a few years ago. google maps is another one that's gotten a lot shittier.

* new laptops with only USB-C ports so that to make this sleek, elegant thing fully functional and do basic things you need to buy an expensive dongle and have it hang awkwardly off the apple lust object.

* also in general, laptops replacing desktops for a computer that remains at a desk at all times --- massively worse ergonomically and less computer for your money.

* not to make this a physical media thread but def all the downsides of the streaming world belong here. but obv there are many tradeoffs.

* general trend of offloading labor onto unpaid customers (self check out, surveys, pressure from amazon to answer support questions for products you've bought, etc.).

* death of big-budget 2D animation (in hollywood anyway).

history is littered with these of course, cf. invention of agriculture and human health/life expectancy/society. or cars replacing transit networks, all of those stories. or at a pettier level, all the changes in shaving since idk the 1960s or 70s.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:26 (one year ago) link

Audio fidelity/quality was better with landlines too.

i hung onto my landline for longer than most people and in the early days of cellphones it was infuriating talking to anyone on theirs because the audio quality was terrible. it's better now but still not as good as landlines were.

visiting, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:50 (one year ago) link

the substitution of plastics for paper, cloth, wood, and metal (not as acceptable as it used to be but never more pervasive)

Brad C., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:58 (one year ago) link

Color printer/scanners are a now an everyday cheapish appliance but their rate of malfunction makes them barely worth the trouble.
A black and white laserjet that couldn’t scan shit would cost you an arm but you could be sure that sucker would turn out pages for ages, iirc.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:02 (one year ago) link

A lot of fast fashion type stuff bugs me, like having to actually look for cotton underwear.

sarahell, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:08 (one year ago) link

as someone who lives in a country where you wear gloves several months out of the year, i daily cursed the engineer who introduced thumbprint unlock as the default on the iPhone

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:10 (one year ago) link

the default of ‘pick up your phone and look at it before we reveal the content of a text’ on the iPhone ten also a v stupid idea

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:11 (one year ago) link

A black and white laserjet that couldn’t scan shit would cost you an arm but you could be sure that sucker would turn out pages for ages, iirc.

― El Tomboto, Tuesday, August 13, 2019 5:02 PM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Brother still makes products of this caliber and they aren't disturbingly expensive.

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:18 (one year ago) link

at a pettier level, all the changes in shaving since idk the 1960s or 70s.

― Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, August 13, 2019 4:26 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

development of laser hair removal is a big improvement tbh

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:19 (one year ago) link

Color printer/scanners are a now an everyday cheapish appliance but their rate of malfunction makes them barely worth the trouble.

Not to be a commercial but after years of having problems with inkjet printers and generally feeling like they were the most unreliable piece of technology in existence, I bought an Epson Eco-tank and it has been life-changing. I actually love my printer now and wouldn’t trade it for anything. 100% reliable, scans and prints great, I haven’t had to refill it yet and I’ve had it for... 2 years? No more of the seemingly constant cartridge replacements. /commercial

epistantophus, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:22 (one year ago) link

Of course, that’s the opposite of what this thread is about.

epistantophus, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:24 (one year ago) link

I just had a 1958 Grundig tube radio repaired, it sounds amazing; finding someone who could work on it was the hard part

it wasn't really so long ago that devices like radios, TVs, stereo components, and even personal computers were designed to be repaired and kept in service for many years; now the same kinds of devices go directly to the landfill as soon as they fail, if not sooner; the fact that the replacement devices are cheaper and more capable than the junked ones is not a particularly impressive sign of progress

Brad C., Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:37 (one year ago) link

The loss of institutional knowledge about how to build heavy-duty, reliable liquid propellant rocket systems has had a massive impact on space programs around the world.

Now somebody tell me they have a way to get to the moon just fine.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:45 (one year ago) link

I’m gonna be really anxious when the time comes to buy a new TV because the one I have has been so good for so long *raps on wooden table*

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:47 (one year ago) link

i was curious about buying a new tv - i haven't had one since the mid 90s, a portable black-and-white model from the 80s passed on to me from my parents - and the enormous variations in crazy features and too-good-to-be-credible prices just made me give up

j., Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:53 (one year ago) link

I started with the knowledge that I wanted a Sony of a certain size with a certain number of HDMI inputs and went with that, I think?

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:59 (one year ago) link

i recently had ceiling fans installed, and we got the ones with lights built in

too late i realised that to turn the lights on and off we now need to fumble around with a dinky battery powered remote

curse a society that no longer understands that light switches should be easy to find in the dark

(also every button press is accompanied by an annoying beeping sound that can't be muted)

umsworth (emsworth), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:00 (one year ago) link

that everything has a remote is ridiculous.

Yerac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:02 (one year ago) link

Wait, I've never turned lights on or off with a battery-powered remote. That is not a backward step I accept!

Landlines, though. Still had one until 2011. I sometimes wonder if I'm the only person who finds it physically difficult to converse satisfyingly on a smartphone.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:08 (one year ago) link

i hate talking on the phone now, it makes me antsy and eager to get off the phone. but i don't know if that is something abt the phone itself, or how my expectations and practices around phones have changed, esp thru texting taking the place of calls for almost all the things i used to make calls for. and the ppl on the other end feeling the same way and distracted and eager to get off the phone too.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:24 (one year ago) link

everyone hates talking on the phone now.
it's social anxiety and because we have so many job related activities where one is on the phone all the time.

Yerac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:28 (one year ago) link

although my mom still chats away like she is teenager of the year.

Yerac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:28 (one year ago) link

It used to be that after CRT and plasma declined, televisions were a forced compromise: backlit LCD or nothing, which suck for watching films (bad shadow levels, motion smoothing, etc etc). I white-knuckled the gap between plasma and OLED by self-repairing my plasma when the power supply failed, and then buying a used plasma which got me through (barely, with lines on the screen and driver failures) just until the OLEDs came down enough for me to consider an end-of-line clearance price.
Now of course I have the best TV of my life - it's kind of ironic because my film library is worth probably 5-10 times as much as the screen I watch them on.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 02:05 (one year ago) link

Landlines were easier to have a conversation on because it was in real time. Cellphones have gotten better, but they're still bouncing audio off of metal towers like a pinball machine. Landlines were the technological final product of an evolution that began with two cans and a piece of string, and worked just fine.

I have the same tv remote problem with my microwave.

Are there really cars out there that combat drowsiness by not letting itself drift over any white or yellow line unless the blinker is on?] Because I will lose my shit, that's all there is to it.

pplains, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 02:45 (one year ago) link

things have gotten a bit better, but even as the early playstation era was happening i remember thinking "wow it sucks that i have to wait 15 seconds for every other screen to load". that was in stark contrast to the near-instant load times of the cartridge based systems at the time and of the recent past.

of course, we were all more than willing to wait as long as it took to gedda load of them polygams

https://i.imgur.com/KKf0O1X.jpg

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 02:49 (one year ago) link

When you buy a new video game and it has to spend an assload of time downloading "updates" before you can play the fucking thing.

Also Denny's getting rid of the Breakfast Dagwood

i'd rather zing like a man, than FP like a coward (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:00 (one year ago) link

like, just trying to see what the hourly weather forecast for tomorrow is involves a lot more clicking and waiting than it did a few years ago”

(since you’re not opposed to using google:) google “(city) weather” once, ctrl+h “wea” for every instance after

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:04 (one year ago) link

P much any form of watching tv now.

i'd rather zing like a man, than FP like a coward (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:23 (one year ago) link

Are you guys saying landlines don't sound as good as they used to, or that cellphones don't sound as good as landlines? I agree with the latter, but as for the former, my landline still sounds great. I would never have a conversation on my cellphone unless I was away from home.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:30 (one year ago) link

We have a landline so we can put the number on paperwork, and for “just in case.” I think we turned the ringer off two years ago. It sits behind the dehumidifier in our master bedroom.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:55 (one year ago) link

xp saying that cellphones don't sound as good as landlines.

visiting, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:56 (one year ago) link

Coca Cola Freestyle machines. Ok...i love em. But...

Soda fountains in the past, usually your biggest problem was the soda came out flat because the bag needed to be changed. So maybe your number one choice isn't available, but other stuff is. Also, multiple people can fill their shit at the same time.

But with these fuckin machines, if you are unlucky enough to go to a store with only one machine, you gotta wait behind the dummy who can't figure it out.

Then when you get there, sometimes they're out of like every diet product, but you don't find out until you click on it and try to pour it, it stops, and greys out.

And then sometimes the shit just malfunctions and nobody in the restaurant knows how to fix it because they gotta call some help line. And if none of the machines work, you gotta wait in kine and get someone at the counter to pour you a drink

i'd rather zing like a man, than FP like a coward (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 05:23 (one year ago) link

iPod clickwheel RIP

iPod classic RIP, I am just never going to be one of those people who wants to listen to music on their phone (it doesn’t sound as good and I can’t anticipate what I want go listen to at any one time enough to have stuff downloaded on Spotify. Maybe I like the misery of separate devices.)

Not to say it didn’t happen before, because it did, but I have to browse online through various plugins and stuff to block all the shitty little trackers so I don’t have to be followed around online by anything I looked at. Facebook login pages on everything are definitely a step backwards.

On that note, the continuing erosion of anonymous/pseudonymous space online. This is bad and people will realise how bad when it’s eventually gone.

And the reduction in diversity of websites/content in general - seems like most people hang out on the same spaces/apps and that’s a big reduction in choice and handing over control to a few large companies.

gyac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 05:26 (one year ago) link

Oh and inspired by Neanderthal’s post just now! Automated airport bag drops - just an awful scourge and take far more time than having someone check the suitcase and slap the sticker on it for you. Goes double if you’re stuck behind people who are confused by this (naturally). Waited fifteen minutes behind a family checking in three suitcases the other day - there should have been staff to help them.

gyac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 05:29 (one year ago) link

I love it when restaurants post their QR code on Instagram. How do I scan that?

Notes on Scampo (tokyo rosemary), Monday, 26 July 2021 21:20 (six days ago) link

in Chrome you can apparently just click the box and it'll run something, maybe Google lens

koogs, Monday, 26 July 2021 21:59 (six days ago) link

i tried it and it worked. spooky.

koogs, Monday, 26 July 2021 22:04 (six days ago) link

isn't this QR code thing basically a covid thing?

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 10:54 (five days ago) link

Yeah. Just like Zoom meetings and GrubHub.

pplains, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 12:19 (five days ago) link

Having physically visited one (1) restaurant in the past 1.5 years, I had no idea about this QR code thing. If that's a thing I encounter post-covid, I can't say that I won't get up and go to a different restaurant.

Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 12:38 (five days ago) link

most places that’s a thing here, they still offer a printed menu on request. it was a sanitary precaution recommended in the list of restaurant changes

there’s a large beerhall-type place here that’s never had printed menus, just a beer list on their website and a large screen near the bar that scrolls through the beers available. “beer places that only have their menu on the untappd website/app” is a mild irritation but was definitely a thing over the last couple years


I don’t really care either way. Minor inconvenience if the food/drinks are good and printing menus regularly is kind of wasteful. Worst case scenario, just order the special

mh, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 12:51 (five days ago) link

Not exactly a tech thing, but sort of - any article which is broken up by 'See other things!' links that aren't separated from the rest of the text (imo it's bad enough having them at all within the text even if visually separate - it's not like I'm glancing at a paper to see these but am literally scrolling down reading the article - but unforgivable like this.)
e.g. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210719-why-light-pollution-is-harming-our-wildlife
About 1/3 way in and there's just 3 bulleted links under 'you might also like' in the same font size etc as the main text.

kinder, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 13:44 (five days ago) link

isn't this QR code thing basically a covid thing?

Yes, that's where I started. But like I mentioned, we asked about them at a restaurant we ate at over the 4th of July and the server said they plan to stick with them permanently because "they are easier" and they'd already saved a bunch of money from not printing updated menus. I suspect it won't be widespread everywhere, but I do anticipate a number of places not going back.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 15:01 (five days ago) link

Not really a fan of digital program notes at concerts/theater.

Bo Burzum (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 15:16 (five days ago) link

I went to an art museum last weekend and they were pushing web-based tours to do on your phone.

Which is fine, I guess. But I wonder if there will be a wave of nostalgia for those rentable tape player thingies

The sound is so much WARMER, y'know?

trial by wombat (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 22:14 (five days ago) link

I'm not saying technology ruins absolutely everything, but the Lego Mario sets don't have paper instructions and instead require you to download a fucking *1.5GB* app instead that contains them. fantastic.

— Dan Hett (@danhett) July 27, 2021

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 01:01 (four days ago) link

ugh that's terrible.
I just spent a happy two days building a set with my kid that had an instruction booklet almost the size of an Argos catalogue

kinder, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 07:22 (four days ago) link

they are usually downloadable from the website. quality varies with the old sets though because the scans are so bad the black just becomes one big blob and you can't make out the bricks.

yeah, this gives you two choices, one at 153MB and a pdf at 5...

koogs, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 08:08 (four days ago) link

this = https://www.lego.com/en-gb/service/buildinginstructions/71363

koogs, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 08:08 (four days ago) link

How many times – especially on third-party software we license – that I've clicked a link to a tutorial and it's taken me to a 6:58 instructional video.

Should I take notes? Should I bounce back and forth between my project and your constantly paused video? Or how about a set of step-by-step directions that I can just read.

(Youtube handymen excluded from this objection. Not like I pay them anyway.)

pplains, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 12:51 (four days ago) link

I’ve noticed this with computer games—now that everything is on Steam etc., it seems as though instruction manuals have been abolished. Sure, there’s a tutorial level or popups when starting a game that give basic controls, but anything more than that I have to look for some GameFAQ guide or reddit post. Which sucks because I’ve had plot points spoiled while searching for that stuff. I had to turn off auto-complete in my browser after doing a search for "how to find [NPC companion name]’s…" and it filled in “grave”, spoiling a big twist.

blatherskite, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 15:30 (four days ago) link

How many times – especially on third-party software we license – that I've clicked a link to a tutorial and it's taken me to a 6:58 instructional video.

seriously ... this is me and the gmail mail merge software I use once a year, that I forget how exactly to do the thing, and so I go to the site, and there's the instructional video. Like, look, I just want to know how to format the date for scheduled sending. I don't want to watch your whole video!

sarahell, Thursday, 29 July 2021 02:40 (three days ago) link

Fucking municipal parking apps!!! There are like four different ones that the towns around here use, you need to set up an "account" just to fucking park for ten minutes to pick up your bagels, the apps themselves are all terrible, clunky to use, often don't work, take way more time than just inserting coins or a credit card, and I'd be surprised if my credit card info is actually secure.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 29 July 2021 02:58 (three days ago) link

^oh fuck yes, infuriating. And I don't even live in a metro area.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 29 July 2021 04:58 (three days ago) link

yeah our one here is an object lesson in UI failure for the most part. Hilariously, if you want to interact directly with the meter it uses a mono LCD screen at waist height, in which either the polarisation or the voltage is fucked up to the extent that it gives navy pixels on a khaki background of almost exactly the same brightness. You also have to press some bizarre right arrow button to even enter the number of the parking space. I used to hate it but now I've kind of transcended to an existential amusement at how bad it is.

assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 29 July 2021 05:25 (three days ago) link

oh and it also never tells you how many minutes you've paid for. It gives you the expiration time, and doesn't show the current time, so you have to either keep it in mind if you remembered to note it first (there's no way back if you didn't), or cross check with your phone / watch and calculate the difference mentally.

assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 29 July 2021 05:27 (three days ago) link

The app I’m NYC works fine, but it sends you like ten emails every time you park.

dan selzer, Thursday, 29 July 2021 11:46 (three days ago) link

I’ve used two different ones. One makes you “end parking,” which means you don’t overpay, but if you forget that step, you end up making the max payment. The other one makes you pay up-front, which means you usually overpay, but the next person doesn’t get the benefit of the overpayment.

DJI, Thursday, 29 July 2021 12:09 (three days ago) link

I signed up for one (Parkmobile) when visiting Monterey in a rental car. I didn't end up needing it but then I found there was no way to remove the car or payment method from my account as you always needed to have at least one of each attached to your account, so I vaguely worry I'm going to be charged for someone else parking the car at some point.

Alba, Thursday, 29 July 2021 12:10 (three days ago) link

OK, this thread has prompted me to do something about this by raising a support ticket to cancel my Parkmobile account completely as that seems to be the only way to detach myself from this rental car.

Alba, Thursday, 29 July 2021 12:18 (three days ago) link

Some of our internal doors had been controlled by security keypads. The whole company used one code, usually the CEO's birthyear, to open the doors.

For obvious reasons, this became a problem and the keypads are gone. Now we have fob sensors, just like we do on the external doors, that can also be triggered with an app.

I don't walk around the place with my keys in my pocket. In the summer, they pull on my pants pocket and in the winter, they stay inside my coat pocket. So I don't always have my fob when I go to use the restroom.

What I do usually have, ahem, is my phone. Now when I'm coming back from the public portion of the building, I have to (1.) pull out my phone, (2.) open the app, (3.) scroll to my desired door, (4.) tap on my door's name, and then (5.) wait about five seconds for the fob sensor to switch from a blue light to a green light. All of that instead of just going doot-doot-doot-doot-doot-I'm-in.

Again, having the whole damn company (and eventually the building) share the same code was ridiculous. And with the fobs and apps, a log of entries can be maintained. But I do gotta say that a large part of this new process is a step backward.

pplains, Thursday, 29 July 2021 12:30 (three days ago) link

(1.) pull out my phone, (2.) open the app, (3.) scroll to my desired door, (4.) tap on my door's name,

I feel like this is the kind of bullshit that, if app developers aren't going to address it, the Shortcuts feature on iPhones ought to be able to provide a workaround for, but it doesn't really, for whatever technical reasons I don't understand.

Alba, Thursday, 29 July 2021 12:37 (three days ago) link

Their suggestion was to use the roving feature, in which the app stays on in the background all the time and closely monitors my location. Apparently, steps 1-4 would be eliminated, but I would still have to stand there in front of the door for a few seconds, wondering if the app was working or not.

pplains, Thursday, 29 July 2021 13:06 (three days ago) link

Take those four seconds as a meditation slot

Alba, Thursday, 29 July 2021 13:08 (three days ago) link

Any company that expects you to download an app for a simple service that could be implemented in a web page must be destroyed.

Believe me, grow a lemon tree. (ledge), Thursday, 29 July 2021 13:08 (three days ago) link

you say that but, for instance, our basement at work doesn't have reception...

and the amazon locker is in there, so you have to remember to open the email with the security code in it before you go down to pick things up.

and then there's a security door to get into the basement and another to get back into the main building.

koogs, Thursday, 29 July 2021 14:19 (three days ago) link

Depending on apps to trigger real-world actions is going to be the end of civilization as we know it. I mean...have these people used apps? I can't really think of an app on my phone that hasn't at some point (or even often) glitched or crashed or frozen.

Along these lines, we now have to use the Microsoft Authenticator app before we clock in and out at work. I would have to count to be sure but I think the whole process involves clicking a minimum of eight different things and entering passwords three different times. So it takes me somewhere between 1.5 and 2 minutes to clock in or out now. Very, very efficient.

Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Thursday, 29 July 2021 14:28 (three days ago) link

Not 100% in the vein of this thread since it has some benefits, but I recently bought two Feit "smart bulbs" for my patio lights - I wanted something I could dim down to really low wattage and control the color temperature, and I also thought it would be fun to occasionally be able to make them colored (e.g. for a party). Well, the bulbs do all those things, but getting them to work on our wifi network took me like two hours, and now they have to be controlled from my phone (I mean the lightswitch still turns them on and off, but any changes are via the app on my phone). And the app is predictably not well designed, although it ultimately works. I do like the fact that I can now sit outside on my patio at night in a very low wattage warm glow that barely disturbs the darkness but prevents me from tripping over shit.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 29 July 2021 18:14 (three days ago) link

My wife could dominate this thread with all the home automations I’ve implemented and forced upon my family.

Jeff, Thursday, 29 July 2021 19:47 (three days ago) link

But get that stuff voice activated. Pulling out an app to control lights is pretty terrible.

Jeff, Thursday, 29 July 2021 19:48 (three days ago) link

I use voice control quite a lot for music and it's OK but there's still something oddly tiring about barking your instructions to a machine. I think my ideal interface for turning things on and off would just be a remote control with a fuckload of dedicated buttons.

Alba, Thursday, 29 July 2021 19:51 (three days ago) link

Jeff otm. I was promised a future where I could control things via statements like, "computer, dim the lights". Not a future where I had to pull out my phone, unlock my phone, scramble to remember which app I needed, scroll through the screens full of icons to find it, initially click the wrong app, close it, open the correct app, realize I've been signed out, forget password, click 'reset password', open email, reset password, open app and *PRESTO* light is now dim!

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 29 July 2021 19:52 (three days ago) link

"cool"

I dislike the anti homeless drm pic.twitter.com/pvV1FB85qg

— aerie ka (@AnemoneAndMe) July 29, 2021

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 29 July 2021 20:24 (three days ago) link

i hate voice control. i refuse to live in the future the nerds wanted.

Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Thursday, 29 July 2021 20:44 (three days ago) link

I told Alexa to go play in traffic and then it stopped working

making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Thursday, 29 July 2021 21:00 (three days ago) link

I don't mind voice control, but I'd much prefer it if our options now weren't all to feed our personal data directly to awful tech companies.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 29 July 2021 21:14 (three days ago) link

can’t bring myself to talk to a machine

brimstead, Thursday, 29 July 2021 21:21 (three days ago) link

The #1 reason I like it is when I run out of stuff when I'm in the middle of cooking, I can just say out loud to add it to a shopping list. It's super handy and less likely for me to forget to write it down when I'm done.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 29 July 2021 21:23 (three days ago) link

We have Google Homes with voice control all over the house (I live in a shared house, it was like that when I moved in), and every so often you're in the middle of a conversation and Google thinks it hears its name and starts talking to you out of nowhere. A creepy reminder that you're always being eavesdropped on.

Lily Dale, Thursday, 29 July 2021 21:40 (three days ago) link

I've had similar experiences with Amazon Echo, it's a pain in the ass. I don't think I could ever have a connected home like that. I don't want things like lights and HVAC being dependent on an internet connection. Plus, at least here, the electric company can override your HVAC in emergency situations, like when ERCOT wasn't generating enough electricity a few weeks back. Thanks, but no thanks.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 29 July 2021 21:46 (three days ago) link

yeah for me all the smart home stuff feels like the house from Mon Oncle at best, and super sinister and gross at worst. just not for me and my lifestyle at all.

I honk along darkened Bobo-doors (Doctor Casino), Friday, 30 July 2021 01:11 (two days ago) link

Yeah it creeps me out in a big way and I would never have gotten a device of that kind on my own. I like everything else about this house so I just had to deal with it.

Lily Dale, Friday, 30 July 2021 01:16 (two days ago) link

I don't mind voice control, but I'd much prefer it if our options now weren't all to feed our personal data directly to awful tech companies.

How many of the options are to feed your personal data directly to awful tech companies?

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Friday, 30 July 2021 03:25 (two days ago) link


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