Technological/practical "backward steps" we all just accept now

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I was watching a programme about Nokia which mentioned how Apple came along with its massive touchscreen, which sacrificed battery life and durability i.e. we all now accept that a phone battery will need charging at least every night and if we drop the phone the screen will shatter, which wasn't the case before. There must be tons of these?

My own personal bugbear is how you used to be able to change the TV channel with a remote instantaneously rather than having to wait a couple of seconds after pressing the button and now that's seemingly impossible.

On a larger scale it's probably a backwards step that everyone is expected to have a recent smartphone to conveniently do loads of things (show your boarding pass, or whatever) and shit stops being supported within a few versions. Music compression too. But I guess I'm thinking of specific annoyances that shouldn't even be problems.

I was only half-watching the Nokia programme so please feel free to correct my comprehensive history of Apple there.

kinder, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:14 (one year ago) link

the original gameboy lasted about eight years through new release support and actual durability of the hardware

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:17 (one year ago) link

Everybody's landline used to work in a blackout.

mick signals, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:33 (one year ago) link

^^ good one, also you can no longer get DC power from landlines

sleeve, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:34 (one year ago) link

taking the headphone jack away

sleeve, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:34 (one year ago) link

Audio fidelity/quality was better with landlines too.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:39 (one year ago) link

sez you, "Telecom"

kinder, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:41 (one year ago) link

:)

kinder, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:41 (one year ago) link

at my gym i have to log in on a giant touch screen to run on the fucking treadmill. the other day it asked me if i wanted to install updates. hl;kjalkjh;asgdhl;kasgd

cheese canopy (map), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:44 (one year ago) link

My own personal bugbear is how you used to be able to change the TV channel with a remote instantaneously rather than having to wait a couple of seconds after pressing the button and now that's seemingly impossible.

― kinder, 14. august 2019 00:14 (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Wait, what?

Frederik B, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:51 (one year ago) link

oh god please just go away

cheese canopy (map), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:54 (one year ago) link

iPod clickwheel RIP

Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:00 (one year ago) link

Audio fidelity/quality was better with landlines too

Right? It used to actually be enjoyable to talk on the phone (not to mention that handsets were much more ergonomic/comfortable/seemed less likely to induce brain cancer), no wonder phone calls seem like an intrusive nuisance now.

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:06 (one year ago) link

I realized too when I got an iPhone for xmas how much it suffered from an absence of the trackball on my old phone.

Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:12 (one year ago) link

The iPad was a bit of a stumble
-techno beaver

calstars, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:13 (one year ago) link

remote control thing is a great example. that drives me crazy any time i'm in a hotel or something and just want to enjoy the mindless zone-out of channel surfing. related: TVs coming with "motion smoothing" turned on by default and sometimes with no option to turn it off.

* many websites/apps/etc. have gotten slower and junkier as they've added features, loaded up with data-draining graphics and videos and scripts. like, just trying to see what the hourly weather forecast for tomorrow is involves a lot more clicking and waiting than it did a few years ago. google maps is another one that's gotten a lot shittier.

* new laptops with only USB-C ports so that to make this sleek, elegant thing fully functional and do basic things you need to buy an expensive dongle and have it hang awkwardly off the apple lust object.

* also in general, laptops replacing desktops for a computer that remains at a desk at all times --- massively worse ergonomically and less computer for your money.

* not to make this a physical media thread but def all the downsides of the streaming world belong here. but obv there are many tradeoffs.

* general trend of offloading labor onto unpaid customers (self check out, surveys, pressure from amazon to answer support questions for products you've bought, etc.).

* death of big-budget 2D animation (in hollywood anyway).

history is littered with these of course, cf. invention of agriculture and human health/life expectancy/society. or cars replacing transit networks, all of those stories. or at a pettier level, all the changes in shaving since idk the 1960s or 70s.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:26 (one year ago) link

Audio fidelity/quality was better with landlines too.

i hung onto my landline for longer than most people and in the early days of cellphones it was infuriating talking to anyone on theirs because the audio quality was terrible. it's better now but still not as good as landlines were.

visiting, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:50 (one year ago) link

the substitution of plastics for paper, cloth, wood, and metal (not as acceptable as it used to be but never more pervasive)

Brad C., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:58 (one year ago) link

Color printer/scanners are a now an everyday cheapish appliance but their rate of malfunction makes them barely worth the trouble.
A black and white laserjet that couldn’t scan shit would cost you an arm but you could be sure that sucker would turn out pages for ages, iirc.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:02 (one year ago) link

A lot of fast fashion type stuff bugs me, like having to actually look for cotton underwear.

sarahell, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:08 (one year ago) link

as someone who lives in a country where you wear gloves several months out of the year, i daily cursed the engineer who introduced thumbprint unlock as the default on the iPhone

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:10 (one year ago) link

the default of ‘pick up your phone and look at it before we reveal the content of a text’ on the iPhone ten also a v stupid idea

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:11 (one year ago) link

A black and white laserjet that couldn’t scan shit would cost you an arm but you could be sure that sucker would turn out pages for ages, iirc.

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Brother still makes products of this caliber and they aren't disturbingly expensive.

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:18 (one year ago) link

at a pettier level, all the changes in shaving since idk the 1960s or 70s.

― Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, August 13, 2019 4:26 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

development of laser hair removal is a big improvement tbh

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:19 (one year ago) link

Color printer/scanners are a now an everyday cheapish appliance but their rate of malfunction makes them barely worth the trouble.

Not to be a commercial but after years of having problems with inkjet printers and generally feeling like they were the most unreliable piece of technology in existence, I bought an Epson Eco-tank and it has been life-changing. I actually love my printer now and wouldn’t trade it for anything. 100% reliable, scans and prints great, I haven’t had to refill it yet and I’ve had it for... 2 years? No more of the seemingly constant cartridge replacements. /commercial

epistantophus, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:22 (one year ago) link

Of course, that’s the opposite of what this thread is about.

epistantophus, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:24 (one year ago) link

I just had a 1958 Grundig tube radio repaired, it sounds amazing; finding someone who could work on it was the hard part

it wasn't really so long ago that devices like radios, TVs, stereo components, and even personal computers were designed to be repaired and kept in service for many years; now the same kinds of devices go directly to the landfill as soon as they fail, if not sooner; the fact that the replacement devices are cheaper and more capable than the junked ones is not a particularly impressive sign of progress

Brad C., Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:37 (one year ago) link

The loss of institutional knowledge about how to build heavy-duty, reliable liquid propellant rocket systems has had a massive impact on space programs around the world.

Now somebody tell me they have a way to get to the moon just fine.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:45 (one year ago) link

I’m gonna be really anxious when the time comes to buy a new TV because the one I have has been so good for so long *raps on wooden table*

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:47 (one year ago) link

i was curious about buying a new tv - i haven't had one since the mid 90s, a portable black-and-white model from the 80s passed on to me from my parents - and the enormous variations in crazy features and too-good-to-be-credible prices just made me give up

j., Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:53 (one year ago) link

I started with the knowledge that I wanted a Sony of a certain size with a certain number of HDMI inputs and went with that, I think?

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:59 (one year ago) link

i recently had ceiling fans installed, and we got the ones with lights built in

too late i realised that to turn the lights on and off we now need to fumble around with a dinky battery powered remote

curse a society that no longer understands that light switches should be easy to find in the dark

(also every button press is accompanied by an annoying beeping sound that can't be muted)

umsworth (emsworth), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:00 (one year ago) link

that everything has a remote is ridiculous.

Yerac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:02 (one year ago) link

Wait, I've never turned lights on or off with a battery-powered remote. That is not a backward step I accept!

Landlines, though. Still had one until 2011. I sometimes wonder if I'm the only person who finds it physically difficult to converse satisfyingly on a smartphone.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:08 (one year ago) link

i hate talking on the phone now, it makes me antsy and eager to get off the phone. but i don't know if that is something abt the phone itself, or how my expectations and practices around phones have changed, esp thru texting taking the place of calls for almost all the things i used to make calls for. and the ppl on the other end feeling the same way and distracted and eager to get off the phone too.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:24 (one year ago) link

everyone hates talking on the phone now.
it's social anxiety and because we have so many job related activities where one is on the phone all the time.

Yerac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:28 (one year ago) link

although my mom still chats away like she is teenager of the year.

Yerac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:28 (one year ago) link

It used to be that after CRT and plasma declined, televisions were a forced compromise: backlit LCD or nothing, which suck for watching films (bad shadow levels, motion smoothing, etc etc). I white-knuckled the gap between plasma and OLED by self-repairing my plasma when the power supply failed, and then buying a used plasma which got me through (barely, with lines on the screen and driver failures) just until the OLEDs came down enough for me to consider an end-of-line clearance price.
Now of course I have the best TV of my life - it's kind of ironic because my film library is worth probably 5-10 times as much as the screen I watch them on.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 02:05 (one year ago) link

Landlines were easier to have a conversation on because it was in real time. Cellphones have gotten better, but they're still bouncing audio off of metal towers like a pinball machine. Landlines were the technological final product of an evolution that began with two cans and a piece of string, and worked just fine.

I have the same tv remote problem with my microwave.

Are there really cars out there that combat drowsiness by not letting itself drift over any white or yellow line unless the blinker is on?] Because I will lose my shit, that's all there is to it.

pplains, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 02:45 (one year ago) link

things have gotten a bit better, but even as the early playstation era was happening i remember thinking "wow it sucks that i have to wait 15 seconds for every other screen to load". that was in stark contrast to the near-instant load times of the cartridge based systems at the time and of the recent past.

of course, we were all more than willing to wait as long as it took to gedda load of them polygams

https://i.imgur.com/KKf0O1X.jpg

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 02:49 (one year ago) link

When you buy a new video game and it has to spend an assload of time downloading "updates" before you can play the fucking thing.

Also Denny's getting rid of the Breakfast Dagwood

i'd rather zing like a man, than FP like a coward (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:00 (one year ago) link

like, just trying to see what the hourly weather forecast for tomorrow is involves a lot more clicking and waiting than it did a few years ago”

(since you’re not opposed to using google:) google “(city) weather” once, ctrl+h “wea” for every instance after

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:04 (one year ago) link

P much any form of watching tv now.

i'd rather zing like a man, than FP like a coward (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:23 (one year ago) link

Are you guys saying landlines don't sound as good as they used to, or that cellphones don't sound as good as landlines? I agree with the latter, but as for the former, my landline still sounds great. I would never have a conversation on my cellphone unless I was away from home.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:30 (one year ago) link

We have a landline so we can put the number on paperwork, and for “just in case.” I think we turned the ringer off two years ago. It sits behind the dehumidifier in our master bedroom.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:55 (one year ago) link

xp saying that cellphones don't sound as good as landlines.

visiting, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:56 (one year ago) link

Coca Cola Freestyle machines. Ok...i love em. But...

Soda fountains in the past, usually your biggest problem was the soda came out flat because the bag needed to be changed. So maybe your number one choice isn't available, but other stuff is. Also, multiple people can fill their shit at the same time.

But with these fuckin machines, if you are unlucky enough to go to a store with only one machine, you gotta wait behind the dummy who can't figure it out.

Then when you get there, sometimes they're out of like every diet product, but you don't find out until you click on it and try to pour it, it stops, and greys out.

And then sometimes the shit just malfunctions and nobody in the restaurant knows how to fix it because they gotta call some help line. And if none of the machines work, you gotta wait in kine and get someone at the counter to pour you a drink

i'd rather zing like a man, than FP like a coward (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 05:23 (one year ago) link

iPod clickwheel RIP

iPod classic RIP, I am just never going to be one of those people who wants to listen to music on their phone (it doesn’t sound as good and I can’t anticipate what I want go listen to at any one time enough to have stuff downloaded on Spotify. Maybe I like the misery of separate devices.)

Not to say it didn’t happen before, because it did, but I have to browse online through various plugins and stuff to block all the shitty little trackers so I don’t have to be followed around online by anything I looked at. Facebook login pages on everything are definitely a step backwards.

On that note, the continuing erosion of anonymous/pseudonymous space online. This is bad and people will realise how bad when it’s eventually gone.

And the reduction in diversity of websites/content in general - seems like most people hang out on the same spaces/apps and that’s a big reduction in choice and handing over control to a few large companies.

gyac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 05:26 (one year ago) link

Oh and inspired by Neanderthal’s post just now! Automated airport bag drops - just an awful scourge and take far more time than having someone check the suitcase and slap the sticker on it for you. Goes double if you’re stuck behind people who are confused by this (naturally). Waited fifteen minutes behind a family checking in three suitcases the other day - there should have been staff to help them.

gyac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 05:29 (one year ago) link

I hate catching the wire on things but the inability to plug my phone into a speaker, the many annoyances of Bluetooth, the lack of direct control over audio and tge fact that I would immediately lose any small items without a wire all weigh against switching.

Bastard Lakes (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 20:03 (two weeks ago) link

My recent problem stems from having to tether an iPhone to my desktop at work so I can be on camera during virtual meetings. I can hear everyone just fine with my headphones plugged into the desktop, but I can't hear myself whenever I speak out loud. (I mean, I can, but it's just the sound of my voice IRL. I can't hear myself through the headphones.)

THE SOLUTION on ANY OTHER PHONE would be to plug the headphones into the phone itself, instead of the desktop, but NO CAN DO since I'm on a newer iPhone.

pplains, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 23:30 (two weeks ago) link

i have an older samsung galaxy with android; it has 16 GB of internal memory

for like $12 i've added a 32 GB SD card (which has 31 GB free)

but the phone -- which i have very little stuff on -- is constantly running out of space because most apps refuse to be moved to the SD card and I CANNOT FUCKING DELETE ALL THE PRE-LOADED SHIT LIKE AMAZON/YOUTUBE/FACEBOOK/GOOGLE without rooting the phone, which i haven't been able to do after multiple and ever-sketchier attempts. (if i try to delete them, i'm asked 'revert to factory version?')

i mean 25 years ago microsoft was sued because it bundled internet explorer with windows, but i don't think users were literally prevented from deleting it?

mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 23:57 (two weeks ago) link

Yep i spent a year or two stubbornly whittling at all extraneous disk hoggers but android essentially made it impossible to shift a raft of protected apps AND THE ASSOCIATED CONTENT over to SD a few years back and tbh 32gb isnt even a practical internal disk size anymore unless you want to be spending maintenance time each month

Absolutely sucks.

your own personal qanon (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 00:19 (one week ago) link

xp Wonder if you can put LineageOS or something on that phone. The big difference between your PC and your phone, as computers, is you don't have adminiatrator rights on the phone, without a bit of underhandedness. It is wild.

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 00:23 (one week ago) link

i've been vaguely watching the pinephone experiment

kind of seems like someone could make money offering a bare-bones OS but i obviously dk

mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 01:12 (one week ago) link

Feeling mookie's pain, though in a way, I do enjoy deleting cache out of dozen or so apps whenever I'm waiting around somewhere.

Hate that Facebook is on there and can't be removed. I've disabled it, restricted it, tied it up, thrown it in the back of the phone and yet, it still registers like 28kb of activity a month. I know it's following me around. I've never linked the app to my Facebook account. The instagram account isn't connected to my facebook account. My gmail login for Facebook is on the phone, so it's probably figured out what I had for dinner tonight.

pplains, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 01:24 (one week ago) link

oh i clear the fuck out of cache

but also why should i have to do that

mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 01:34 (one week ago) link

and tbh 32gb isnt even a practical internal disk size anymore unless you want to be spending maintenance time each month

what do you even keep on your phones that take up so much space? good lord I have 16GB and I only have to do maintenance like once every 4-6 months? If I have to take a bunch of pictures for work I transfer them and then delete them ... and I'm the person that keeps every text message except for like spam.

sarahell, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 07:11 (one week ago) link

I have a little app on my phone called AppMgr which easily transfers apps from internal storage to SD card. Might be worth a look in your case, although it will of course only transfer those apps which are able to be transferred.

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 07:56 (one week ago) link

mookie I was in the exact same position with the memory card etc and it is really annoying. I ended up dropping and destroying my phone and having to get a new one (not the latest model obv) and I hate how I'm almost glad I had a reason to as everything works much better on the new phone. It was the apps clogging up my old phone and it's not like I even use that many.

kinder, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 08:33 (one week ago) link

what do you even keep on your phones that take up so much space?

most of my basic apps fill up the cache with hundreds of megabytes of data, some of the worst offenders (twitter, chrome, instagram) also somehow store hundreds of megabytes of personal data and if you clear it you get logged out and lose all your saved settings.

Computers I can live with, I even dried them in the oven (ledge), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 09:33 (one week ago) link

Spotify regularly takes up 1GB of space on my son's phone, it's insane

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 10:29 (one week ago) link

Yep if you download eg spotify playlists to phone that will add up

your own personal qanon (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 10:37 (one week ago) link

he does no downloading! it makes no sense!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 10:37 (one week ago) link

My phone storage

20gb system

20gb apps- mainly podcasts and music in case of offline

I could farm a lot of that latter out to sd card but tbh i like not having to bother anymore

your own personal qanon (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 10:41 (one week ago) link

xp spotify is for my purposes a wonderful thing but i swear as an app it behaves terrifically badly ito commandeering storage and eg just not responding when you open it for the first time in a while because its decided it has shit it would rather do

Luckily i mainly just have it installed on speakers and never actually open it on the phone these days

your own personal qanon (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 10:43 (one week ago) link

instagram: application 110mb, data 158mb, cache 109mb. guardian app 66mb, data 72mb, cache 69mb. youtube app 179mb, data 82mb, cache 77mb. chrome app 124mb, data 268mb (!!), cache 184mb.

app sizes seem excessive, wish you could restrict the caching somehow, but the 'data' is ridiculous.

Computers I can live with, I even dried them in the oven (ledge), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 10:48 (one week ago) link

Android successive versions have taken a lot of control away from the user across all of this but as noted there are apps that do an ok job of cleaning selectively

your own personal qanon (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 10:49 (one week ago) link

Just cleared 8gb of podcasts to sd card so ty thread

your own personal qanon (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 11:24 (one week ago) link

my phone provider recently upgraded me to an L4 that has 64gb. I will have barely got a quarter into that by the time they start offering me a new one.

calzino, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 11:31 (one week ago) link

one of the worst features of recent android: no button to clear all app caches. like, why the fuck not?

spotify's storage offenses are infamous. amazing that after all this time it STILL doesn't really remove downloads when you tell it to "remove downloads." eventually, you gotta uninstall, reboot, and reinstall. madness.

sgt. pepper's one-and-only bobo honkin' band (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 12:23 (one week ago) link

I think every Android phone I've had has come preloaded with a Samsung 'virtual assistant' bollocks (current one: "Bixby") that seems to exist solely for me to accidentally activate it, swear at it, vow to remove it any way I can, then forget until next time. Maybe I should start training myself up to do something useful when I do it, like drink some water or do a yoga move, until I become conditioned.

kinder, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 12:39 (one week ago) link

checked my apps, the one taking up the most space is wechat at 3.2gb.

Bastard Lakes (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 12:50 (one week ago) link

Recently got my first Samsung and I think Bixby is disabled. I had to check options in like 10 different menus and would not know how to tell anyone to turn it off. This is the kind of crap I spend an hour or three doing on a new phone. And despite that I still found after a few days that I was using some kind of Samsung backup feature. Turned it off and hit the button to delete whatever was backed up to their servers but uh.... yeesh

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 13:23 (one week ago) link

lol it's this type of stuff re android that made me switch to an iPhone -- it still has that "storage Other" problem with cached crap that you have to do "special Apple magic" to get rid of.

also, damn y'all, Spotify sucks and rips off artists. No sympathy there.

sarahell, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:24 (one week ago) link

I have to use the Smart Switch app on my iMac to move data over from the Samsung.

And every time, this little window pops up: "Ready to transfer your iTunes files over to your Android?"

That question constantly ranks first as the (1.) Most tone-deaf, (2.) Answer unlikely to change, and quite possibly (3.) Overly-repeated that I get regularly asked.

pplains, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:34 (one week ago) link

hahahah I have an iPhone & windows 10 -- I am sure there are a bunch of redundant cloud things that are in multiple places that I will eventually have to get annoyed by.

sarahell, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:43 (one week ago) link

just saw a QR code on a tv advert

(etoro? some trading site)

koogs, Friday, 9 April 2021 13:11 (one week ago) link

Last time we drove to Michigan, I saw three billboards that were basically just giant QR codes with only the name of the company beneath. One was for a brewery, but I forgot the other two. Presumably, even at highway speeds, those still work?

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 9 April 2021 13:42 (one week ago) link

Glad to see those companies are big supporters of highway safety.

You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 April 2021 13:49 (one week ago) link

xp the ongoing lack of progress of the investigation into the death of her daughter iirc

your own personal qanon (darraghmac), Friday, 9 April 2021 13:52 (one week ago) link

security reorganisation on online bank account taht means paying regular bills has become a convoluted chore. Have to eneter and reenter codes to get payment transacted. Maybe it means taht there is less likelihood of having the account hacked but it just seems totally time consuming. NOt sure if having a much newer phone so I had teh app itself would make things easier.
I always thought of my desktop as my main computer interface and phone as secondary. Is taht like totally outdated?

Stevolende, Friday, 9 April 2021 15:11 (one week ago) link

logging into my bank needs a security code generated by the banking app on my phone. i wonder if they thought this through?

koogs, Friday, 9 April 2021 16:45 (one week ago) link

I'd guess they did; isn't this in addition to a password that should ideally only exist inside your head?

IANAE on this, but I think I've seen it described thus: Login (or whatever) should depend on data points from two out of the three following types: something you are, something you know, something you own/can access. In the first group are e.g. fingerprints or iris patterns, in the second groups are passwords, in the final group are e.g. phone authenticators. The idea (if I have understood this) is that compromising one of these is not enough to immediately compromise the entire thing.

anatol_merklich, Friday, 9 April 2021 16:52 (one week ago) link

Ah maybe I see what you get at: if your login is on the phone, then the password may also be remembered on the same device, so the independence is broken. Yeah, I guess that is a weakness.

anatol_merklich, Friday, 9 April 2021 16:54 (one week ago) link

a problem mitigated if you have some sort of code for getting into your phone at all, obv

anatol_merklich, Friday, 9 April 2021 16:55 (one week ago) link

drifting off topic, but: has there been any kind of paradigm shift in relation to "security questions"? i feel like half the ones i'm ever asked to fill out are things that conceivably could be learned by a reasonably determined identity thief. i guess they could deter some casual hacker with a password-generating machine or something.

sgt. pepper's one-and-only bobo honkin' band (Doctor Casino), Friday, 9 April 2021 17:00 (one week ago) link

xp Every time I log into my work email, Microsoft insists on a sending a security code to my phone, no matter how many times I check the little box that says "please don't do this for the next thirty days." What's the point of having the check box if it doesn't work?

Lily Dale, Friday, 9 April 2021 17:03 (one week ago) link

You have to make sure to check only the boxes with bicycles in them i think

your own personal qanon (darraghmac), Friday, 9 April 2021 17:03 (one week ago) link

the phone generates a one-time password after i've entered my bank id and password. the (secure) password is stored in my password app behind a less secure password, but the phone also has a swipe pattern and/or fingerprint protecting it.

this generated password lets me log into bank's web page along with my bank id and my security question answer.

and if i want to send anyone money then i also need to generate a transaction id using the bank app on the phone.

(i'm more worried about needing a phone in order to access bank website. what if i lose it?)

koogs, Friday, 9 April 2021 17:09 (one week ago) link

If I lost my phone, I would certainly need to jump through some hoops to get to my online bank yeah. (I guess I have a backup solution in the form of a digital code generator in a closet somewhere, but I doubt I'd remember the associated password/PIN needed with that one.) I'm assuming (read: hoping) this is a common enough occurrence that it is one of the areas where actual human customer support at the bank hasn't totally atrophied.

anatol_merklich, Friday, 9 April 2021 17:28 (one week ago) link

I had a little generator fob but it died without warning the day my rent was due* and installing the app was the only timely alternative

(* Probably not that exact day - I only used it once a month, could've been any time in the previous 30 days)

koogs, Friday, 9 April 2021 20:57 (one week ago) link

I am averse to fingerprint protection/login stuff because of all the tv and movies over the past few decades where they just cut the person's finger or hand off and use it to access the secret vault or door or what-have-you. I am sure this is just a sign that I am a truly damaged person, and that very few other people think about how this technological advancement can lead to dismemberment

sarahell, Sunday, 11 April 2021 20:56 (one week ago) link

I am averse to it because the fingerprint sensor seems to stop working after about 6 months for some reason.

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Sunday, 11 April 2021 21:00 (one week ago) link

iirc the fingerprint sensor doesn't work if the finger is cold

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 11 April 2021 21:28 (one week ago) link

Or if you've just used a bleach-based or disinfectant cleaning product.

(Good thing nobody has a special reason to do a lot of cleaning things nowadays!)

Jurassic parkour (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 11 April 2021 21:50 (one week ago) link

fingerprint scanners can never read my fingerprints because my hands are permanently ashy

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Monday, 12 April 2021 16:15 (one week ago) link

printyflakes

mh, Monday, 12 April 2021 18:40 (one week ago) link

lmao

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Monday, 12 April 2021 18:51 (one week ago) link


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