Technological/practical "backward steps" we all just accept now

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I was watching a programme about Nokia which mentioned how Apple came along with its massive touchscreen, which sacrificed battery life and durability i.e. we all now accept that a phone battery will need charging at least every night and if we drop the phone the screen will shatter, which wasn't the case before. There must be tons of these?

My own personal bugbear is how you used to be able to change the TV channel with a remote instantaneously rather than having to wait a couple of seconds after pressing the button and now that's seemingly impossible.

On a larger scale it's probably a backwards step that everyone is expected to have a recent smartphone to conveniently do loads of things (show your boarding pass, or whatever) and shit stops being supported within a few versions. Music compression too. But I guess I'm thinking of specific annoyances that shouldn't even be problems.

I was only half-watching the Nokia programme so please feel free to correct my comprehensive history of Apple there.

kinder, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:14 (two months ago) link

the original gameboy lasted about eight years through new release support and actual durability of the hardware

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:17 (two months ago) link

Everybody's landline used to work in a blackout.

mick signals, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:33 (two months ago) link

^^ good one, also you can no longer get DC power from landlines

sleeve, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:34 (two months ago) link

taking the headphone jack away

sleeve, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:34 (two months ago) link

Audio fidelity/quality was better with landlines too.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:39 (two months ago) link

sez you, "Telecom"

kinder, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:41 (two months ago) link

:)

kinder, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:41 (two months ago) link

at my gym i have to log in on a giant touch screen to run on the fucking treadmill. the other day it asked me if i wanted to install updates. hl;kjalkjh;asgdhl;kasgd

cheese canopy (map), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:44 (two months ago) link

My own personal bugbear is how you used to be able to change the TV channel with a remote instantaneously rather than having to wait a couple of seconds after pressing the button and now that's seemingly impossible.

― kinder, 14. august 2019 00:14 (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Wait, what?

Frederik B, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:51 (two months ago) link

oh god please just go away

cheese canopy (map), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:54 (two months ago) link

iPod clickwheel RIP

Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:00 (two months ago) link

Audio fidelity/quality was better with landlines too

Right? It used to actually be enjoyable to talk on the phone (not to mention that handsets were much more ergonomic/comfortable/seemed less likely to induce brain cancer), no wonder phone calls seem like an intrusive nuisance now.

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:06 (two months ago) link

I realized too when I got an iPhone for xmas how much it suffered from an absence of the trackball on my old phone.

Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:12 (two months ago) link

The iPad was a bit of a stumble
-techno beaver

calstars, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:13 (two months ago) link

remote control thing is a great example. that drives me crazy any time i'm in a hotel or something and just want to enjoy the mindless zone-out of channel surfing. related: TVs coming with "motion smoothing" turned on by default and sometimes with no option to turn it off.

* many websites/apps/etc. have gotten slower and junkier as they've added features, loaded up with data-draining graphics and videos and scripts. like, just trying to see what the hourly weather forecast for tomorrow is involves a lot more clicking and waiting than it did a few years ago. google maps is another one that's gotten a lot shittier.

* new laptops with only USB-C ports so that to make this sleek, elegant thing fully functional and do basic things you need to buy an expensive dongle and have it hang awkwardly off the apple lust object.

* also in general, laptops replacing desktops for a computer that remains at a desk at all times --- massively worse ergonomically and less computer for your money.

* not to make this a physical media thread but def all the downsides of the streaming world belong here. but obv there are many tradeoffs.

* general trend of offloading labor onto unpaid customers (self check out, surveys, pressure from amazon to answer support questions for products you've bought, etc.).

* death of big-budget 2D animation (in hollywood anyway).

history is littered with these of course, cf. invention of agriculture and human health/life expectancy/society. or cars replacing transit networks, all of those stories. or at a pettier level, all the changes in shaving since idk the 1960s or 70s.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:26 (two months ago) link

Audio fidelity/quality was better with landlines too.

i hung onto my landline for longer than most people and in the early days of cellphones it was infuriating talking to anyone on theirs because the audio quality was terrible. it's better now but still not as good as landlines were.

visiting, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:50 (two months ago) link

the substitution of plastics for paper, cloth, wood, and metal (not as acceptable as it used to be but never more pervasive)

Brad C., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:58 (two months ago) link

Color printer/scanners are a now an everyday cheapish appliance but their rate of malfunction makes them barely worth the trouble.
A black and white laserjet that couldn’t scan shit would cost you an arm but you could be sure that sucker would turn out pages for ages, iirc.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:02 (two months ago) link

A lot of fast fashion type stuff bugs me, like having to actually look for cotton underwear.

sarahell, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:08 (two months ago) link

as someone who lives in a country where you wear gloves several months out of the year, i daily cursed the engineer who introduced thumbprint unlock as the default on the iPhone

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:10 (two months ago) link

the default of ‘pick up your phone and look at it before we reveal the content of a text’ on the iPhone ten also a v stupid idea

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:11 (two months ago) link

A black and white laserjet that couldn’t scan shit would cost you an arm but you could be sure that sucker would turn out pages for ages, iirc.

― El Tomboto, Tuesday, August 13, 2019 5:02 PM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Brother still makes products of this caliber and they aren't disturbingly expensive.

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:18 (two months ago) link

at a pettier level, all the changes in shaving since idk the 1960s or 70s.

― Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, August 13, 2019 4:26 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

development of laser hair removal is a big improvement tbh

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:19 (two months ago) link

Color printer/scanners are a now an everyday cheapish appliance but their rate of malfunction makes them barely worth the trouble.

Not to be a commercial but after years of having problems with inkjet printers and generally feeling like they were the most unreliable piece of technology in existence, I bought an Epson Eco-tank and it has been life-changing. I actually love my printer now and wouldn’t trade it for anything. 100% reliable, scans and prints great, I haven’t had to refill it yet and I’ve had it for... 2 years? No more of the seemingly constant cartridge replacements. /commercial

epistantophus, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:22 (two months ago) link

Of course, that’s the opposite of what this thread is about.

epistantophus, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:24 (two months ago) link

I just had a 1958 Grundig tube radio repaired, it sounds amazing; finding someone who could work on it was the hard part

it wasn't really so long ago that devices like radios, TVs, stereo components, and even personal computers were designed to be repaired and kept in service for many years; now the same kinds of devices go directly to the landfill as soon as they fail, if not sooner; the fact that the replacement devices are cheaper and more capable than the junked ones is not a particularly impressive sign of progress

Brad C., Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:37 (two months ago) link

The loss of institutional knowledge about how to build heavy-duty, reliable liquid propellant rocket systems has had a massive impact on space programs around the world.

Now somebody tell me they have a way to get to the moon just fine.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:45 (two months ago) link

I’m gonna be really anxious when the time comes to buy a new TV because the one I have has been so good for so long *raps on wooden table*

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:47 (two months ago) link

i was curious about buying a new tv - i haven't had one since the mid 90s, a portable black-and-white model from the 80s passed on to me from my parents - and the enormous variations in crazy features and too-good-to-be-credible prices just made me give up

j., Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:53 (two months ago) link

I started with the knowledge that I wanted a Sony of a certain size with a certain number of HDMI inputs and went with that, I think?

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:59 (two months ago) link

i recently had ceiling fans installed, and we got the ones with lights built in

too late i realised that to turn the lights on and off we now need to fumble around with a dinky battery powered remote

curse a society that no longer understands that light switches should be easy to find in the dark

(also every button press is accompanied by an annoying beeping sound that can't be muted)

umsworth (emsworth), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:00 (two months ago) link

that everything has a remote is ridiculous.

Yerac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:02 (two months ago) link

Wait, I've never turned lights on or off with a battery-powered remote. That is not a backward step I accept!

Landlines, though. Still had one until 2011. I sometimes wonder if I'm the only person who finds it physically difficult to converse satisfyingly on a smartphone.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:08 (two months ago) link

i hate talking on the phone now, it makes me antsy and eager to get off the phone. but i don't know if that is something abt the phone itself, or how my expectations and practices around phones have changed, esp thru texting taking the place of calls for almost all the things i used to make calls for. and the ppl on the other end feeling the same way and distracted and eager to get off the phone too.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:24 (two months ago) link

everyone hates talking on the phone now.
it's social anxiety and because we have so many job related activities where one is on the phone all the time.

Yerac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:28 (two months ago) link

although my mom still chats away like she is teenager of the year.

Yerac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:28 (two months ago) link

It used to be that after CRT and plasma declined, televisions were a forced compromise: backlit LCD or nothing, which suck for watching films (bad shadow levels, motion smoothing, etc etc). I white-knuckled the gap between plasma and OLED by self-repairing my plasma when the power supply failed, and then buying a used plasma which got me through (barely, with lines on the screen and driver failures) just until the OLEDs came down enough for me to consider an end-of-line clearance price.
Now of course I have the best TV of my life - it's kind of ironic because my film library is worth probably 5-10 times as much as the screen I watch them on.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 02:05 (two months ago) link

Landlines were easier to have a conversation on because it was in real time. Cellphones have gotten better, but they're still bouncing audio off of metal towers like a pinball machine. Landlines were the technological final product of an evolution that began with two cans and a piece of string, and worked just fine.

I have the same tv remote problem with my microwave.

Are there really cars out there that combat drowsiness by not letting itself drift over any white or yellow line unless the blinker is on?] Because I will lose my shit, that's all there is to it.

pplains, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 02:45 (two months ago) link

things have gotten a bit better, but even as the early playstation era was happening i remember thinking "wow it sucks that i have to wait 15 seconds for every other screen to load". that was in stark contrast to the near-instant load times of the cartridge based systems at the time and of the recent past.

of course, we were all more than willing to wait as long as it took to gedda load of them polygams

https://i.imgur.com/KKf0O1X.jpg

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 02:49 (two months ago) link

When you buy a new video game and it has to spend an assload of time downloading "updates" before you can play the fucking thing.

Also Denny's getting rid of the Breakfast Dagwood

i'd rather zing like a man, than FP like a coward (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:00 (two months ago) link

like, just trying to see what the hourly weather forecast for tomorrow is involves a lot more clicking and waiting than it did a few years ago”

(since you’re not opposed to using google:) google “(city) weather” once, ctrl+h “wea” for every instance after

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:04 (two months ago) link

P much any form of watching tv now.

i'd rather zing like a man, than FP like a coward (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:23 (two months ago) link

Are you guys saying landlines don't sound as good as they used to, or that cellphones don't sound as good as landlines? I agree with the latter, but as for the former, my landline still sounds great. I would never have a conversation on my cellphone unless I was away from home.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:30 (two months ago) link

We have a landline so we can put the number on paperwork, and for “just in case.” I think we turned the ringer off two years ago. It sits behind the dehumidifier in our master bedroom.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:55 (two months ago) link

xp saying that cellphones don't sound as good as landlines.

visiting, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:56 (two months ago) link

Coca Cola Freestyle machines. Ok...i love em. But...

Soda fountains in the past, usually your biggest problem was the soda came out flat because the bag needed to be changed. So maybe your number one choice isn't available, but other stuff is. Also, multiple people can fill their shit at the same time.

But with these fuckin machines, if you are unlucky enough to go to a store with only one machine, you gotta wait behind the dummy who can't figure it out.

Then when you get there, sometimes they're out of like every diet product, but you don't find out until you click on it and try to pour it, it stops, and greys out.

And then sometimes the shit just malfunctions and nobody in the restaurant knows how to fix it because they gotta call some help line. And if none of the machines work, you gotta wait in kine and get someone at the counter to pour you a drink

i'd rather zing like a man, than FP like a coward (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 05:23 (two months ago) link

iPod clickwheel RIP

iPod classic RIP, I am just never going to be one of those people who wants to listen to music on their phone (it doesn’t sound as good and I can’t anticipate what I want go listen to at any one time enough to have stuff downloaded on Spotify. Maybe I like the misery of separate devices.)

Not to say it didn’t happen before, because it did, but I have to browse online through various plugins and stuff to block all the shitty little trackers so I don’t have to be followed around online by anything I looked at. Facebook login pages on everything are definitely a step backwards.

On that note, the continuing erosion of anonymous/pseudonymous space online. This is bad and people will realise how bad when it’s eventually gone.

And the reduction in diversity of websites/content in general - seems like most people hang out on the same spaces/apps and that’s a big reduction in choice and handing over control to a few large companies.

gyac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 05:26 (two months ago) link

Oh and inspired by Neanderthal’s post just now! Automated airport bag drops - just an awful scourge and take far more time than having someone check the suitcase and slap the sticker on it for you. Goes double if you’re stuck behind people who are confused by this (naturally). Waited fifteen minutes behind a family checking in three suitcases the other day - there should have been staff to help them.

gyac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 05:29 (two months ago) link

small wallet and change in the right, no?

stet, Monday, 21 October 2019 09:05 (two days ago) link

knee pocket is the right answer (or left answer - right knee pocket for keys)

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 21 October 2019 09:10 (two days ago) link

My wallet's been in my right ass pocket since I was 13. It's the ideal spot. Keys and small change in the left front pocket, phone in the right. No problem whatsoever.

Good observation though about the dancing and moshing.

ArchCarrier, Monday, 21 October 2019 09:21 (two days ago) link

stet yes. however if it's a leather wallet the change can wind up 'sticking' to the wallet - i guess cause your leg heats it up?? - and tumbling out comically when you are in the midst of suavely pulling your ultra-minimal sustainable japanese eelskin bifold out to pay for a double-pack of extra-hot peperami

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 21 October 2019 09:23 (two days ago) link

small wallet and change in the right, no?

I like my change to be reachable without having to take out the wallet. And yes there is that body temperature leather sticking effect with coins.

My wallet is the thickness of a novella. There's no way I am going to sit on that all day in the back pocket.

I suppose I could go for one of those wallets with the little buttony change pocket, but then you lose a row of card slots.

Sam Weller, Monday, 21 October 2019 10:02 (two days ago) link

regarding wallets, my wife who is chinese told me recently that nobody uses wallets anymore there (at least in big cities) since all payments are made by phones now.
I remember once I was there with cash only. I felt like an alien or a dinosaur !
For that reason wallets sales have dived in China which is a big concern for luxury brands because people used to buy them a lot for themselves but also as gifts.
I still have a big wallet but I must admit that I don't really need it anymore : a small credit card holder would be enough (and I think I only use coins like twice a year now, when I have to go to a boulangerie that doesn't take cards !).

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 21 October 2019 10:24 (two days ago) link

Yeah, I'm increasingly cashless myself tbh. I know it's disenfranchising for lower income people and supports the endless growth of the financial world but also damn it's convenient

stet, Monday, 21 October 2019 11:28 (two days ago) link

when I first got a contactless card I thought it was ~unsafe~ and didn't want to activate it, but someone at a shop activated it without me realising, and now I use it daily for most of my shopping - but it still feels wrong to go out without cash, like there's a voice in my head still telling me I might need 10p for a phonebox like it's 1985 or something...

(also the sandwich van which visits work is cash-only; there are other lunch options nearby now, but I like the lady who runs it and hope she isn't losing too much custom due to only taking cash)

anyway my wallet is as huge as ever, with notes and coins and work ID and ever-increasing numbers of loyalty cards etc, and phones barely fit in pockets any more but I got the smallest phone on the market which just squeezes in (and sometimes squeezes itself back out unexpectedly, eek) as long as I don't have anything else in the pocket, so tissues and keys and a spare hair-tie are all relegated to my back pockets now and the bf tuts about how my pockets bulge out and why can't I just carry a handbag like a normal woman

a passing spacecadet, Monday, 21 October 2019 11:46 (two days ago) link

Relying more and more on phone for everything wrt physical access to spaces (public transport) and payment definitely feels like a backwards step. Ease of losing a single device, connection volatility, battery...

I rarely carry cash but will always want at least two different methods of paying for stuff on me.

Recently lost card holder on the bus (or street, never actually worked out where/how) which included bus pass (Oyster card) and debit card but had separate 'manual' key for hire bikes so could get to/from work easily that way and then used phone to order lunch at work although this meant keeping the debit card uncancelled for a couple of hours which was risky but used app on phone to track recent/incoming deductions and none were made by anyone but me suggesting the card holder may have been handed in or was just binned by whoever picked it up when they didn't find any cash in it.

Going a few days on just actual cash (keep just enough at home for these situations) was also a real throwback of course.

nashwan, Monday, 21 October 2019 11:49 (two days ago) link

Yeah, for instance, it's sad for homeless people who obviously still beg for coins since less and less people have any nowadays.
And even bank notes, I almost never use them anymore (it's basically only a problem when I have to tip someone... which is not very common in France, anyway).
It clearly poses fundamental individual rights issues since this evolution is a dream for governments and financial institutions...

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 21 October 2019 11:52 (two days ago) link

Always use cash and take a perverse pleasure in waving a note when bar staff stick a credit card machine under my nose.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Monday, 21 October 2019 11:53 (two days ago) link

Yeah, losing your phone is a nightmare now. Almost worst than losing your home keys !

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 21 October 2019 11:53 (two days ago) link

a checkout lady at Aldi was positively annoyed at being handed a note the other day. she huffed that the till was "locked" and that I was holding up the entire queue so I got out my debit card and she sighed that it was too late because she'd already pressed the "cash" button and couldn't change the payment method either

how does that even work, surely I'm not the only person who would try to use cash at a supermarket?

(I do normally use card there, but I was on my way to a class which I needed to pay for with £15 in cash, and I was hoping to get a fiver in my change)

a passing spacecadet, Monday, 21 October 2019 12:16 (two days ago) link

Slight tangent but while I think of it saw a thread/argument on Twitter earlier about car break-ins now being motivated more and more by whether Bluetooth devices in the car have been detected by the thieves nearby with a device capable of finding them. ARGH.

nashwan, Monday, 21 October 2019 12:23 (two days ago) link

I always keep cash on hand and a small bank of it at home. I always expect some event where I will need it.

Yerac, Monday, 21 October 2019 12:46 (two days ago) link

how does that even work, surely I'm not the only person who would try to use cash at a supermarket?

I don't see many people using cards in my local Morrisons tbh and I don't think I've ever seen anyone using contactless. That could be because LOL Poor People but is probably because I generally use the self service machines and hardly anyone seems to use cards on those.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Monday, 21 October 2019 12:49 (two days ago) link

tbf it wouldn't be the first time I got an Aldi assistant who was randomly arsey about completely normal everyday things. some of them are great though!

while I'm ranting on here, the door system at work - bought from a relatively major supplier of such things - is remarkably fragile: so many errors that come up; every so often there's an epidemic of a new inscrutable error message; if you work in too many different buildings or someone sets something up wrong then the data on the card gets corrupted and you can't get in anywhere, etc

that's annoying for our non-essential buildings, but some places use them for accommodation (student rooms etc) - feel like someone's going to get locked out at night and have to sleep in the bushes just due to some system glitch, or the system might go down and default to open and leave people's homes and belongings unlocked

really makes me appreciate good old-fashioned metal keys tbh

a passing spacecadet, Monday, 21 October 2019 12:56 (two days ago) link

Every cashier at my local Aldi asks "cash or card?" as soon as they've bleeped everything thru

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 October 2019 12:58 (two days ago) link

I use cash for maintaining a budget - go out with that much in pocket (but also a wallet for going over if necessary)

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 21 October 2019 13:06 (two days ago) link

Left front jeans pocket: keys, digital Walkman (though now that the weather's cooler the Walkman goes in my left jacket pocket)
Right front jeans pocket: wallet, iPhone 6 (though now that the weather's cooler the phone goes in my inside jacket pocket), change (in small change pocket provided for that purpose)
Back pockets: receipts and other odd scraps of paper, but mostly nothing

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 21 October 2019 14:27 (two days ago) link

change (in small change pocket provided for that purpose)

I thought that was for Zuzu's petals

Sam Weller, Monday, 21 October 2019 14:30 (two days ago) link

finally an every day carry thread

adam, Monday, 21 October 2019 14:33 (two days ago) link

Right back pocket: plectrums (currently numbering three)

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Monday, 21 October 2019 14:35 (two days ago) link

I’m finding it oddly fascinating! Xp

alomar lines, Monday, 21 October 2019 14:35 (two days ago) link

Left front: phone and wallet. They're both rectangles.

Right front: keys and handkerchief. If I acquire coins I guess I put them there too, but try to get rid of them as soon as possible because I don't like the jingling.

If it is cool enough for me to wear a sportcoat I get a bunch more pockets and can accommodate more things. Glasses, pens, a notebook, a book, a pocketknife, a flask of bourbon, gloves.

solos that go widdly widdly widdly (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:00 (two days ago) link

how can one put a wallet in their front jeans pocket ??
mine doesn't even fit in the back pocket... (and it would be very uncomfortable anyway).

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:24 (two days ago) link

I have put my wallet in my front pocket for 30+ years. Fits easily

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:32 (two days ago) link

how can one put a wallet in their front jeans pocket ??

My wallet's not gigantic (I don't have a million cards in it), I'm relatively skinny, and I don't wear super tight-fitting jeans.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:33 (two days ago) link

Wallet in front pocket is one of the only valuable life tips my father ever passed on to me. It's harder for someone to steal it that way, he said, and he's right.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:34 (two days ago) link

eheh, ok, that's a good reason (if you manage to put it in) !

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:39 (two days ago) link

Nothing in back pockets, ever, back pockets are decoration as far as I'm concerned. I see kids walking around with phones sticking out of their back pockets all the time and I just wonder how they are not always sitting down on their phones and breaking them.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:42 (two days ago) link

Yeah, phones in back pockets is heresy to me.
It's funny because for a long time I couldn't understand how many girls I knew could make their phones fall in the toilets... I only found out recently, when one explained to me, that it was because they put their phones in their back pocket !

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:47 (two days ago) link

otm about wallets in back pocket=target for pickpockets.

Yerac, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:51 (two days ago) link

how can one put a wallet in their front jeans pocket ??

Easy if you've got one debit card.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:57 (two days ago) link

Nothing in back pockets, ever, back pockets are decoration as far as I'm concerned.

OTM, apart from plectrums and the odd scrap of paper

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:58 (two days ago) link

re: cashless, san francisco just passed a law outlawing stores that don't take cash.

akm, Monday, 21 October 2019 16:41 (two days ago) link

the nearest coffee shop to my house not only doesn't take cash but doesn't take chip either. you have to have tap to buy anything. this is probably a niche problem but i don't have tap on my debit card and my cc is often maxed out at some stage during the month (i max it out and clear the balance monthly, lol i am broke)

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:44 (two days ago) link

I’ve always carried my wallet in right back pocket, phone in right front, keys from left back belt loop, tucked into back pocket. This thread is making me reconsider the wallet. My wallet is a bulky leather thing and with certain pants, I imagine it presenting itself appealingly to would-be thieves by hanging slightly open from its weight. I’ve pondered re-evaluating the wallet chain, but it’s way more appealing to just get a smaller wallet and carry in my empty left front pocket. Thing is: I have cards for everything. Card reader at work, transit card, debit, grocery club cards, library card, and so on. They can’t digitize these cards fast enough for me. Though I’m in the bay area, I don’t see a lot of Apple Pay or near field readers at the stores I frequent.

beard papa, Monday, 21 October 2019 16:54 (two days ago) link

Jim, sounds like they're trying to keep out the likes of you. I wouldn't mess with them on principle

maffew12, Monday, 21 October 2019 16:58 (two days ago) link

I don't really feel comfortable keeping my wallet in any jeans pocket

luckily I live in a climate where wearing some form of jacket is almost always necessary, so it goes in the inside jacket pocket or side if it's zipped

Number None, Monday, 21 October 2019 17:06 (two days ago) link

I do wallet front left and everything else (phone, keys, change) in front right. This used to work pretty good, but I've since bought a new slightly larger phone and all of that together doesn't fit comfortably in my right pocket anymore. I need to either move something to my wallet pocket (which would require having a smaller wallet) or figure out a way to reduce the amount of keys I carry around. I already got rid of my small swiss army knife I used to carry around everywhere (having a knife, screwdriver and scissors always available is so fucking convenient!) and I feel like there's no good solution here.

silverfish, Monday, 21 October 2019 17:08 (two days ago) link

One from the PS4 thread but:- the death of couch multiplayer video games. if you want to play with your friend, you both need a console and a copy of the game and a headset and you play in your own homes.. bit sad really. Video games were a sociable experience when I was a teenager

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 21 October 2019 17:16 (two days ago) link

in fairness playing while talking with your pals on the headset is quite social

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Monday, 21 October 2019 17:18 (two days ago) link

the nearest coffee shop to my house not only doesn't take cash but doesn't take chip either. you have to have tap to buy anything.

Whoa, is this how it is in Vancouver now? Where I live, every time I tap, the person at the counter is still surprised to see the tap, it has not really caught on.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 21 October 2019 22:28 (two days ago) link

Compared to the US, Canada is a lot tap friendlier. And compared to North America, it was nearly completely ubiquitous when I was in Poland and it worked with Apple Pay, no exceptions found. Makes me feel very backward at home

mh, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 02:53 (yesterday) link

yeah, considering how in Canada it feels like we are always 1 or 2 years behind the U.S. technology-wise, it's always weird to me every time I go to the U.S. how they seem to be far behind everybody else when it comes to credit card technology.

silverfish, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 13:54 (yesterday) link

Its crazy to me how even the little handheld credit card machines are not ubiquitous in here the USA. Sometimes in canada at bars or restaurants I will still occasionally slip up and start to hand the server my credit card and they will be completely amused that Americans consider it normal to hand their credit card to a complete stranger.

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 14:48 (yesterday) link

And the weird bit where the server goes away and something happens, and then they hand the card back to you, and then you add the tip, then the transaction finally happens once you're gone - that this is all fine is pretty They Live tbh.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 14:57 (yesterday) link

Yeah I was not prepared for that having had a fourteen year gap between visits to the US and pretty much used cash only the previous time.

nashwan, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 15:15 (yesterday) link

Rest assured I still tipped well and I don't mean the British well

nashwan, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 15:15 (yesterday) link


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