Technological/practical "backward steps" we all just accept now

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I was watching a programme about Nokia which mentioned how Apple came along with its massive touchscreen, which sacrificed battery life and durability i.e. we all now accept that a phone battery will need charging at least every night and if we drop the phone the screen will shatter, which wasn't the case before. There must be tons of these?

My own personal bugbear is how you used to be able to change the TV channel with a remote instantaneously rather than having to wait a couple of seconds after pressing the button and now that's seemingly impossible.

On a larger scale it's probably a backwards step that everyone is expected to have a recent smartphone to conveniently do loads of things (show your boarding pass, or whatever) and shit stops being supported within a few versions. Music compression too. But I guess I'm thinking of specific annoyances that shouldn't even be problems.

I was only half-watching the Nokia programme so please feel free to correct my comprehensive history of Apple there.

kinder, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:14 (five days ago) link

the original gameboy lasted about eight years through new release support and actual durability of the hardware

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:17 (five days ago) link

Everybody's landline used to work in a blackout.

mick signals, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:33 (five days ago) link

^^ good one, also you can no longer get DC power from landlines

sleeve, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:34 (five days ago) link

taking the headphone jack away

sleeve, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:34 (five days ago) link

Audio fidelity/quality was better with landlines too.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:39 (five days ago) link

sez you, "Telecom"

kinder, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:41 (five days ago) link

:)

kinder, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:41 (five days ago) link

at my gym i have to log in on a giant touch screen to run on the fucking treadmill. the other day it asked me if i wanted to install updates. hl;kjalkjh;asgdhl;kasgd

cheese canopy (map), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:44 (five days ago) link

My own personal bugbear is how you used to be able to change the TV channel with a remote instantaneously rather than having to wait a couple of seconds after pressing the button and now that's seemingly impossible.

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Wait, what?

Frederik B, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:51 (five days ago) link

oh god please just go away

cheese canopy (map), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:54 (five days ago) link

iPod clickwheel RIP

Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:00 (five days ago) link

Audio fidelity/quality was better with landlines too

Right? It used to actually be enjoyable to talk on the phone (not to mention that handsets were much more ergonomic/comfortable/seemed less likely to induce brain cancer), no wonder phone calls seem like an intrusive nuisance now.

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:06 (five days ago) link

I realized too when I got an iPhone for xmas how much it suffered from an absence of the trackball on my old phone.

Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:12 (five days ago) link

The iPad was a bit of a stumble
-techno beaver

calstars, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:13 (five days ago) link

remote control thing is a great example. that drives me crazy any time i'm in a hotel or something and just want to enjoy the mindless zone-out of channel surfing. related: TVs coming with "motion smoothing" turned on by default and sometimes with no option to turn it off.

* many websites/apps/etc. have gotten slower and junkier as they've added features, loaded up with data-draining graphics and videos and scripts. like, just trying to see what the hourly weather forecast for tomorrow is involves a lot more clicking and waiting than it did a few years ago. google maps is another one that's gotten a lot shittier.

* new laptops with only USB-C ports so that to make this sleek, elegant thing fully functional and do basic things you need to buy an expensive dongle and have it hang awkwardly off the apple lust object.

* also in general, laptops replacing desktops for a computer that remains at a desk at all times --- massively worse ergonomically and less computer for your money.

* not to make this a physical media thread but def all the downsides of the streaming world belong here. but obv there are many tradeoffs.

* general trend of offloading labor onto unpaid customers (self check out, surveys, pressure from amazon to answer support questions for products you've bought, etc.).

* death of big-budget 2D animation (in hollywood anyway).

history is littered with these of course, cf. invention of agriculture and human health/life expectancy/society. or cars replacing transit networks, all of those stories. or at a pettier level, all the changes in shaving since idk the 1960s or 70s.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:26 (five days ago) link

Audio fidelity/quality was better with landlines too.

i hung onto my landline for longer than most people and in the early days of cellphones it was infuriating talking to anyone on theirs because the audio quality was terrible. it's better now but still not as good as landlines were.

visiting, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:50 (five days ago) link

the substitution of plastics for paper, cloth, wood, and metal (not as acceptable as it used to be but never more pervasive)

Brad C., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:58 (five days ago) link

Color printer/scanners are a now an everyday cheapish appliance but their rate of malfunction makes them barely worth the trouble.
A black and white laserjet that couldn’t scan shit would cost you an arm but you could be sure that sucker would turn out pages for ages, iirc.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:02 (four days ago) link

A lot of fast fashion type stuff bugs me, like having to actually look for cotton underwear.

sarahell, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:08 (four days ago) link

as someone who lives in a country where you wear gloves several months out of the year, i daily cursed the engineer who introduced thumbprint unlock as the default on the iPhone

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:10 (four days ago) link

the default of ‘pick up your phone and look at it before we reveal the content of a text’ on the iPhone ten also a v stupid idea

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:11 (four days ago) link

A black and white laserjet that couldn’t scan shit would cost you an arm but you could be sure that sucker would turn out pages for ages, iirc.

― El Tomboto, Tuesday, August 13, 2019 5:02 PM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Brother still makes products of this caliber and they aren't disturbingly expensive.

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:18 (four days ago) link

at a pettier level, all the changes in shaving since idk the 1960s or 70s.

― Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, August 13, 2019 4:26 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

development of laser hair removal is a big improvement tbh

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:19 (four days ago) link

Color printer/scanners are a now an everyday cheapish appliance but their rate of malfunction makes them barely worth the trouble.

Not to be a commercial but after years of having problems with inkjet printers and generally feeling like they were the most unreliable piece of technology in existence, I bought an Epson Eco-tank and it has been life-changing. I actually love my printer now and wouldn’t trade it for anything. 100% reliable, scans and prints great, I haven’t had to refill it yet and I’ve had it for... 2 years? No more of the seemingly constant cartridge replacements. /commercial

epistantophus, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:22 (four days ago) link

Of course, that’s the opposite of what this thread is about.

epistantophus, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:24 (four days ago) link

I just had a 1958 Grundig tube radio repaired, it sounds amazing; finding someone who could work on it was the hard part

it wasn't really so long ago that devices like radios, TVs, stereo components, and even personal computers were designed to be repaired and kept in service for many years; now the same kinds of devices go directly to the landfill as soon as they fail, if not sooner; the fact that the replacement devices are cheaper and more capable than the junked ones is not a particularly impressive sign of progress

Brad C., Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:37 (four days ago) link

The loss of institutional knowledge about how to build heavy-duty, reliable liquid propellant rocket systems has had a massive impact on space programs around the world.

Now somebody tell me they have a way to get to the moon just fine.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:45 (four days ago) link

I’m gonna be really anxious when the time comes to buy a new TV because the one I have has been so good for so long *raps on wooden table*

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:47 (four days ago) link

i was curious about buying a new tv - i haven't had one since the mid 90s, a portable black-and-white model from the 80s passed on to me from my parents - and the enormous variations in crazy features and too-good-to-be-credible prices just made me give up

j., Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:53 (four days ago) link

I started with the knowledge that I wanted a Sony of a certain size with a certain number of HDMI inputs and went with that, I think?

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:59 (four days ago) link

i recently had ceiling fans installed, and we got the ones with lights built in

too late i realised that to turn the lights on and off we now need to fumble around with a dinky battery powered remote

curse a society that no longer understands that light switches should be easy to find in the dark

(also every button press is accompanied by an annoying beeping sound that can't be muted)

umsworth (emsworth), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:00 (four days ago) link

that everything has a remote is ridiculous.

Yerac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:02 (four days ago) link

Wait, I've never turned lights on or off with a battery-powered remote. That is not a backward step I accept!

Landlines, though. Still had one until 2011. I sometimes wonder if I'm the only person who finds it physically difficult to converse satisfyingly on a smartphone.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:08 (four days ago) link

i hate talking on the phone now, it makes me antsy and eager to get off the phone. but i don't know if that is something abt the phone itself, or how my expectations and practices around phones have changed, esp thru texting taking the place of calls for almost all the things i used to make calls for. and the ppl on the other end feeling the same way and distracted and eager to get off the phone too.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:24 (four days ago) link

everyone hates talking on the phone now.
it's social anxiety and because we have so many job related activities where one is on the phone all the time.

Yerac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:28 (four days ago) link

although my mom still chats away like she is teenager of the year.

Yerac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:28 (four days ago) link

It used to be that after CRT and plasma declined, televisions were a forced compromise: backlit LCD or nothing, which suck for watching films (bad shadow levels, motion smoothing, etc etc). I white-knuckled the gap between plasma and OLED by self-repairing my plasma when the power supply failed, and then buying a used plasma which got me through (barely, with lines on the screen and driver failures) just until the OLEDs came down enough for me to consider an end-of-line clearance price.
Now of course I have the best TV of my life - it's kind of ironic because my film library is worth probably 5-10 times as much as the screen I watch them on.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 02:05 (four days ago) link

Landlines were easier to have a conversation on because it was in real time. Cellphones have gotten better, but they're still bouncing audio off of metal towers like a pinball machine. Landlines were the technological final product of an evolution that began with two cans and a piece of string, and worked just fine.

I have the same tv remote problem with my microwave.

Are there really cars out there that combat drowsiness by not letting itself drift over any white or yellow line unless the blinker is on?] Because I will lose my shit, that's all there is to it.

pplains, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 02:45 (four days ago) link

things have gotten a bit better, but even as the early playstation era was happening i remember thinking "wow it sucks that i have to wait 15 seconds for every other screen to load". that was in stark contrast to the near-instant load times of the cartridge based systems at the time and of the recent past.

of course, we were all more than willing to wait as long as it took to gedda load of them polygams

https://i.imgur.com/KKf0O1X.jpg

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 02:49 (four days ago) link

When you buy a new video game and it has to spend an assload of time downloading "updates" before you can play the fucking thing.

Also Denny's getting rid of the Breakfast Dagwood

i'd rather zing like a man, than FP like a coward (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:00 (four days ago) link

like, just trying to see what the hourly weather forecast for tomorrow is involves a lot more clicking and waiting than it did a few years ago”

(since you’re not opposed to using google:) google “(city) weather” once, ctrl+h “wea” for every instance after

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:04 (four days ago) link

P much any form of watching tv now.

i'd rather zing like a man, than FP like a coward (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:23 (four days ago) link

Are you guys saying landlines don't sound as good as they used to, or that cellphones don't sound as good as landlines? I agree with the latter, but as for the former, my landline still sounds great. I would never have a conversation on my cellphone unless I was away from home.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:30 (four days ago) link

We have a landline so we can put the number on paperwork, and for “just in case.” I think we turned the ringer off two years ago. It sits behind the dehumidifier in our master bedroom.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:55 (four days ago) link

xp saying that cellphones don't sound as good as landlines.

visiting, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:56 (four days ago) link

Coca Cola Freestyle machines. Ok...i love em. But...

Soda fountains in the past, usually your biggest problem was the soda came out flat because the bag needed to be changed. So maybe your number one choice isn't available, but other stuff is. Also, multiple people can fill their shit at the same time.

But with these fuckin machines, if you are unlucky enough to go to a store with only one machine, you gotta wait behind the dummy who can't figure it out.

Then when you get there, sometimes they're out of like every diet product, but you don't find out until you click on it and try to pour it, it stops, and greys out.

And then sometimes the shit just malfunctions and nobody in the restaurant knows how to fix it because they gotta call some help line. And if none of the machines work, you gotta wait in kine and get someone at the counter to pour you a drink

i'd rather zing like a man, than FP like a coward (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 05:23 (four days ago) link

iPod clickwheel RIP

iPod classic RIP, I am just never going to be one of those people who wants to listen to music on their phone (it doesn’t sound as good and I can’t anticipate what I want go listen to at any one time enough to have stuff downloaded on Spotify. Maybe I like the misery of separate devices.)

Not to say it didn’t happen before, because it did, but I have to browse online through various plugins and stuff to block all the shitty little trackers so I don’t have to be followed around online by anything I looked at. Facebook login pages on everything are definitely a step backwards.

On that note, the continuing erosion of anonymous/pseudonymous space online. This is bad and people will realise how bad when it’s eventually gone.

And the reduction in diversity of websites/content in general - seems like most people hang out on the same spaces/apps and that’s a big reduction in choice and handing over control to a few large companies.

gyac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 05:26 (four days ago) link

Oh and inspired by Neanderthal’s post just now! Automated airport bag drops - just an awful scourge and take far more time than having someone check the suitcase and slap the sticker on it for you. Goes double if you’re stuck behind people who are confused by this (naturally). Waited fifteen minutes behind a family checking in three suitcases the other day - there should have been staff to help them.

gyac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 05:29 (four days ago) link

like i think we all know that many of these are seen as "forward steps" to somebody, even if it's just a corporation that counted the beans and realized that plastic components would save x cents per unit in the long term.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Friday, 16 August 2019 21:38 (two days ago) link

Yeah I think it's maybe important to note that 'progress' is often measured and driven by the bottom line of the companies who are ushering these 'innovations' into our lives. The theoretically possible things that people actually want/need/ask for are not often what we get.

Amply Drizzled with Pure Luxury (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 August 2019 21:59 (two days ago) link

I agree with these last 3 posts. I also think that the primary purpose of this thread is to take turns putting the word 'innovations' in scare quotes.

triple-washed (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 16 August 2019 22:13 (two days ago) link

The way business is conducted often leads to regression or stagnation rather than progress, this article about Microsoft Word is a good example of this

http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2013/10/why-microsoft-word-must-die.html

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 16 August 2019 22:29 (two days ago) link

We Have Met the Enemy and He Is PowerPoint
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/27/world/27powerpoint.html

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 17 August 2019 01:13 (yesterday) link

👻innovations👻

j., Saturday, 17 August 2019 01:51 (yesterday) link

Back when it was all DVDs by mail, Netflix had basically everything that was ever released on video. Now you're at the mercy of whatever each streaming service makes available that month, which is probably a fifth of what was available on DVD.

Wasn't the promise of streaming that you would have access to everything?

Hideous Lump, Saturday, 17 August 2019 05:17 (yesterday) link

How is it that, thirty years down the line, email is still the same piece of shit technology that it always was.

Like, there's someone that I work with, every email she sends, the company logo graphic in her signature is always broken; instead, it shows up as an attached jpeg. There's also usually a second attachment called something like "0.html" which is inevitably just a blank web page.

Hideous Lump, Saturday, 17 August 2019 05:49 (yesterday) link

It’s god’s way of telling you to send plain text emails.

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Saturday, 17 August 2019 06:03 (yesterday) link

Back when it was all DVDs by mail, Netflix had basically everything that was ever released on video.

xxp netflix dvd subscriptions are not that expensive and they have a huge selection of films from the 20th Century!

― Dan S, Thursday, August 15, 2019 7:04 AM (two days ago)

Wasn't the promise of streaming that you would have access to everything?

Did anyone ever promise this? They obviously would have been lying if so, but did any entity ever actually promote the lie?

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quelle sprocket damage (sic), Saturday, 17 August 2019 06:20 (yesterday) link

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j., Saturday, 17 August 2019 06:29 (yesterday) link

there was a good article a couple years ago that went over how much has been phased out of netflix's dvd-by-mail business through the attrition of dvds that got damaged and weren't replaced.... found it! https://www.kqed.org/arts/10141066/netflix_streaming_dvds

the "access to everything" story wasn't told so much by the streaming companies as by the equivalent of WIRED and other digital cheerleaderati.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 17 August 2019 11:28 (yesterday) link

I had never seen this last word and was hoping you had made it up for this post.

TS: “8:05” vs. “905” (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 17 August 2019 11:35 (yesterday) link

How is it that, thirty years down the line, email is still the same piece of shit technology that it always was.

Like, there's someone that I work with, every email she sends, the company logo graphic in her signature is always broken; instead, it shows up as an attached jpeg. There's also usually a second attachment called something like "0.html" which is inevitably just a blank web page.

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Abigail, Wife of Preserved Fish (rushomancy), Saturday, 17 August 2019 12:15 (yesterday) link

An issue w/the streaming myth is that it was propagated by people who have no idea how licensing works.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 17 August 2019 12:46 (yesterday) link

Speaking of one second delays, The half second or second it takes for newer model cars to go after you step on the gas pedal.

Bnad, Saturday, 17 August 2019 14:17 (yesterday) link

automatics in general belong on this thread tbrr

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:03 (yesterday) link

^ otm

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definitely a practical step backwards

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:11 (yesterday) link

still an enthusiastic user of netflix dvd service, always waiting for them to drop the hammer on it. i cant imagine why it continues this long, other than the fact that it must cost them next to nothing to keep it up

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:35 (yesterday) link

PowerPoint is bad when used by amateurs. Program quad charts, excessive bullets, terrible formatting: these are not the programs’ fault. A bad briefing is bad because the briefer is bad at briefing. Its closest competitor, Keynote, has all of the same issues.

Word is mediocre when used for text documents that are 4 pages long and need to be reviewed by 2 people. It is phenomenal when a 30 page document with tables and figures needs to be reviewed by an organization of 100+ people. Its closest competitors still lag behind Word in this department.

Automatic transmissions are “bad” because they save on wear & tear (especially tires) and fuel consumption. If you claim to prefer manual transmissions for any rationale besides “fun” you are a moron. Anyway, drive electric. It’s practically 2020 already.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:47 (yesterday) link

Email is brilliant technology, always has been, and if you hate it you have no place in an office. Go apprentice as a tradesperson and learn to cast bronze or pour concrete or something.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:51 (yesterday) link

I like to count the number of fonts and font sizes people use in one PowerPoint deck.

Yerac, Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:52 (yesterday) link

i have better control over the car in a stickshift. at least it feels that way. the car doesn't "creep" when my foot's not on the accelerator and it's more responsive to the gas pedal. also i know when to shift, I'm not a moron. but yeah our electric/hybrid future will require automatics, I'm resigned to that.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:55 (yesterday) link

i only grudgingly accept the existence of power steering so

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 17 August 2019 16:08 (yesterday) link

In my experience apps like Slack have turned out to be worse than email for work comms - too much pressure to reply/contribute too quick and too easy to indulge in small talk you could either do face to face or not at all.

nashwan, Saturday, 17 August 2019 16:10 (yesterday) link

i liked the anti-Word article posted above because it wasn't primarily about Word sucking (altho the issues with overlapping use of style presets and ad-hoc select-and-click formatting are discussed) but about how much easier and more robust things *might have become* in a world without Word dominating the field and quashing innovation in the area of specific tools. i now use scrivener for all my substantial writing, and the one part of the workflow that suuuucks is taking the exported RTF into word for final formatting.

powerpoint makes it way too easy to lay out clunky, ugly documents, in just a "getting shit to line up, follow a grid, align, etc." sense. it still feels like a windows 98 era idea of what easy-to-use design would be (dumbed down and made clumsy, rather than streamlined with more functionality there if you want it). anytime i have to use it i'm just screaming for indesign inside. it also embeds all images at full size within the PPT file, which is very handy for tossing one presentation on a stick and taking it with you, but suuuuper annoying and wasteful of disk space if you're storing it locally, have multiple versions etc.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 17 August 2019 16:32 (yesterday) link

wasteful of disk space

god forbid.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 17 August 2019 16:36 (yesterday) link

i liked the anti-Word article posted above because it wasn't primarily about Word sucking (altho the issues with overlapping use of style presets and ad-hoc select-and-click formatting are discussed) but about how much easier and more robust things *might have become* in a world without Word dominating the field and quashing innovation in the area of specific tools. i now use scrivener for all my substantial writing, and the one part of the workflow that suuuucks is taking the exported RTF into word for final formatting.

― Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino)

or, in a world without word, i might have 12,000 different overlays for each different program to put on top of my keyboard...

Abigail, Wife of Preserved Fish (rushomancy), Saturday, 17 August 2019 16:37 (yesterday) link

The fact that scrivener can’t export to .docx is not Word’s fault

El Tomboto, Saturday, 17 August 2019 18:18 (yesterday) link

but… it can?

j., Saturday, 17 August 2019 18:19 (yesterday) link

then why does Doctor Casino not do this?!?!?

El Tomboto, Saturday, 17 August 2019 18:23 (yesterday) link

I blame sic’s podcast post for turning this into the “complaining about commonplace tech we can’t be bothered to learn how to use” thread

bunch of old dogs on ilx

El Tomboto, Saturday, 17 August 2019 18:25 (yesterday) link

xp well maybe he just likes rtf - even if you put out docx, there's often some fiddling with the scrivener-formatted doc that one would like to do, unless you just commit to doing everything with scrivener and its formatting options. personally i just do barely any other than italics and a bit of header-ing so that i'm not distracted away from ~teh writing~

j., Saturday, 17 August 2019 18:27 (yesterday) link

ILX THREADS DRIFT GET USED TO IT ALREADY

j., Saturday, 17 August 2019 18:27 (yesterday) link

Sir this is an Arby’s

El Tomboto, Saturday, 17 August 2019 18:30 (yesterday) link

every thread of this type devolves into an amalgamation of software support threads

triple-washed (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 17 August 2019 18:36 (yesterday) link

Word is just fine. Y’all are crazy. It’s Excel and its complete inability to handle large workbooks that drives me crazy.

Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 17 August 2019 19:21 (yesterday) link

It's all been downhill since Tandy's Deskmate

i'd rather zing like a man, than FP like a coward (Neanderthal), Saturday, 17 August 2019 19:22 (yesterday) link

What is that thing where newer model cars coming to a stop at an intersection have to restart the engine when it’s their turn to go? I’m not sure if that’s what actually happening or if that’s just what it sounds like is happening.

omar little, Saturday, 17 August 2019 19:26 (yesterday) link

that is actually what's happening. it's to conserve fuel.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 17 August 2019 19:31 (yesterday) link

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/08/automobiles/wheels/start-stop-technology-is-coming-to-cars-like-it-or-not.html

That is a genuinely good and on topic thing for this thread. Enough with the half measures! Get a car that plugs in!

El Tomboto, Saturday, 17 August 2019 19:40 (yesterday) link

Amazing

omar little, Saturday, 17 August 2019 20:08 (yesterday) link

My old Escort used to have that feature but we called it "stalling"

mick signals, Saturday, 17 August 2019 20:45 (yesterday) link

lol my ford fiesta does this now

Carisis LaVerted (m bison), Saturday, 17 August 2019 20:52 (yesterday) link

blame sic’s podcast post for turning this into the “complaining about commonplace tech we can’t be bothered to learn how to use” thread

I helpfully provided step-by-step instructions for ppl who need to learn how to use web pages, old dogs are as worthy of my street pats as bright-eyed shibe pups

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Saturday, 17 August 2019 21:14 (yesterday) link

That is a genuinely good and on topic thing for this thread. Enough with the half measures! Get a car that plugs in!

― El Tomboto, Sunday, 18 August 2019 5:40 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Electric is such a massive improvement on internal combustion engines that I fully expect this thread to be complaining about electric cars in a couple of years.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 17 August 2019 21:18 (yesterday) link

What is that thing where newer model cars coming to a stop at an intersection have to restart the engine when it’s their turn to go?

my car does this, it threw me off a bit at first, but it's actually fine. it just happens automatically. I can turn it off but iirc you have to turn it off every time you start the car, it doesn't stay off

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 17 August 2019 21:56 (yesterday) link

Doesn't that wear out the starter?

pplains, Saturday, 17 August 2019 23:45 (yesterday) link

I have absolutely no idea tbh but according to Wikipedia: The starter is reinforced and designed to withstand continuous use without wearing too fast or overheating.

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 17 August 2019 23:48 (yesterday) link

this is my first car so I don't have a lot of basis for comparison, but it seems OK. it's quite smart, like if the car in front of me starts moving it auto-starts before I've even taken my foot off the brake

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 17 August 2019 23:50 (yesterday) link


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