Homosexuality and Hip-Hop : The Gay Rapper Thread

...and they rock...

The main stream of hip hop culture itself tends to be deeply homophobic, I think it's fair to say.

It's cool to see out folks making any kind of headway. I know there's an LA rapper that goes by Gay Mike or something like that, he's part of some crew. Unfortunately the LA Weekly ate the New Times LA online archive when the latter was slain, so I can't find the one article I remember on him.

What about Q-Tip?

We'll probably get a mainstream-accepted lesbian MC before we get a gay one, I'm guessing.

Oddly, rumors have been flying for many years that 2Pac himself was quite the bisexual.

(I am so dead.)

Well, there's always Peaches...

And not to turn this thread into "hip-hop rumors involving homosexuality" (although it kinda already is that) but, according to DMX, Ja Rule had an exchange one night with a guy after eating X.

Jan Geerinck
http://www.jahsonic.com/Gay.html

Lesbian rappers are less of a threat to the hyper-hetero masculinity of hip-hop.

Hmmm? But lesbian rappers are women that suceed in a male-dominated medium, and furthermore don't *need* men (as opposed to heterosexual female rappers, who almost always encourage fellow females to get a guy, even if only for $$$$$.) Surely that's a threat to your average thug's comfort, too?

Or so someone tried to explain, zonked on acid, staring intently at a Bone Thugs ad at a bus stop. I think this was at Berkeley some weeks after a seminar on bisexuality in lower-class communities with high rates of incarceration. This also doesn't help explain the lack of non-gangster gay hip-hop artists.

It's kind of a cheap irony, but I enjoy it nonetheless.

(I guess you could draw a similar/stronger line with first-wave hip hop's dico roots, as also per the house comments above...)

Lil' Kim's frequently rapping about how she quite likes lesbians - there's even a song where she tells Puff Daddy not to yell "dyke" at them - in some ways I think the lesbian is almost upheld within ho-rap as the ultimate in self-empowered independence - though that said, I get the impression that flirtation with lesbianism would still be a male-porn style prelude to the main event.

This isn't something I've even heard of before, but if it's true, it might explain why he bit a Bowie song.

I dunno about Dre = gay. Calling your former-friend "punk-ass faggot," etc., figures pretty prominently in the various Ruthless/Death Row/and so on feuds. Witness Cube's "No Vaseline," Dre or Ren "talking to that bitch O'Shea," as just a couple instances.

Re: James Brown I read an interview with someone who'd been on tour with him, 60s or 70s, about him bringing along an effeminate male companion for his pleasure. I don't have trouble buying this.

*(i didn't read it if he did, so this may not be fair)

I saw evidence to the contrary a couple months ago while watching a clip I saw of him performing on SNL in 1980. Unless he used a prosthesis.

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0005/trebay.php

Then again, would any drag queen use lip liner to that extent?

I think the gay scene rarely follows trends - and hip hop as a genre is just so outdated, it's too way back there for gays.... the fashions may seep into gay culture, the music - nah. Too violent, too ugly and impossible to dance to.

....wasn't Rock Hudson 'married' too?

There is a book called The Vinyl Closet, written by Boze Hadleigh, but it was published in 1991, is out of print and hard to find, and the information is outdated. It's still a fun read. There are interviews with closeted musicians (usually seventies has-beens) in which they are referred to by their first initial only.

*(I have no idea where yr talking about - they in the United States?)

I gotta ask--if hip-hop is way too back there in terms of innovation, where exactly is diva house?

i think Em and Dre did this intentionally

Yes, we were sleeping in high school math class, were we?

HEADLINE: Gay Rappers: Too Real For Hip-Hop?

BYLINE: By TOURE; Toure, a contributing editor at Rolling Stone, is the author of "The Portable Promised Land," a collection of short stories.

BODY:

IT'S Friday night in Bed-Stuy, Brooklyn, and Caushun is chilling on the third floor of his parents' brownstone. He is totally street: baggy jeans, wrist bands, fresh black Timberlands, a diamond stud in his left ear and a baseball cap (worn to the back, at an angle) with his name spray-painted across the bill in graffiti bubble letters. Caushun is a rapper, and he's getting ready to rhyme, but right now he's flipping through Vogue. He did Kimora Lee Simmons's hair for her photo shoot, and he wants to see how it turned out.

Caushun can get fierce with some hair. "I'm nasty with mine," he said.

He calls himself "the weave king," an extensions specialist. He's done hairdos for J-Lo and Sarah Michelle Gellar, and he's the stereotype of the celebrity hairdresser. He's a b-boy with a poodle named Wesley and an apartment with ornate pillows with silk flowers on them and beautiful vases filled with giant lilies. Caushun is a 25-year-old openly gay rapper from the same neighborhood as Biggie Smalls, with flippy wrists, a gay twang and a flow that is liquid and cool and ready for the big time. He wants to be hip-hop's homosexual Jackie Robinson.

Hip-hop is now as large a cultural stage as baseball was in the 50's, yet the mainstream is just as closed to gay rappers as the major leagues were to black men before Robinson. And, as with Robinson, for Caushun to break through could have a profound impact on how gay people are perceived throughout America.

"He's going to open up discussion about one of the last acceptable prejudices," said his manager, Ivan Matias. "With homosexuals having so much influence over hip-hop from behind the scenes, it's time that they had a voice." He was referring to the gay executives, managers, stylists and magazine editors in the music business.

Caushun said simply: "Look, I'm keepin' it real. Don't let me find out that I'm keepin' it too real for hip-hop. Should that be the name of my album? 'Too Real for Hip-Hop'?"

Caushun recently signed with Baby Phat Records, and his debut album, "Shock and Awe," will come out at the end of June before Gay Pride Day. His self-confidence is so strong that he doesn't believe his being gay will keep him from selling a million records and having a video played on MTV 20 times a week -- in other words, from becoming a star.

The hip-hop impresario Russell Simmons, whose wife, Kimora Lee, is the owner and chief executive of Baby Phat, knows it will be hard to make Caushun a star, but he's hopeful.

"Rap music is one of the most homophobic musics we know," Mr. Simmons said. "But he's dope and he's unique because of his perspective on the world. I can't imagine that people aren't going to buy it. You think women and gay men won't buy it? It's a huge possibility."

Caushun says there were labels that wanted to turn him into a house-music artist or into the RuPaul of hip-hop, but he said no. He wants to be mainstream: "You got Jay-Z talking about girls, girls, girls. Nelly, take your clothes off. They put their sexuality out front. What's the big deal if I put mine up front and come out open?"

He learned to rhyme just hanging around his neighborhood. He says he would sit up in his parents house with his boys, smokingweed, and someone would start to rhyme, it was no big deal. "I rhyme about everything," he said. "I just rhyme from a gay perspective. And it's not like it's a flamboyant gay perspective. It's the next-door neighbor. We saying the same thing. I just might put a little gay terminology in there."

He plucked a few grapes from a bowl on a table, walked over to his iMac and put on a beat. The beat's just O.K. and the hook is kind of corny, but Caushun is witty, and he surely can flow.

What is recognized as the first hip-hop record by an openly gay person was "Hip-Hop Don't Stop" by Man Parish, recorded in 1986. According to industry figures and Web sites devoted to the subject, there are now at least 40 to 50 openly gay rappers worldwide. Most don't use homosexuality in the campy, cartoonish way Caushun does. The Deep Dickollective is a loose assemblage of black men based in San Francisco. Two regular members are Juba Kalamka, who rhymes as Pointfivefag, and Tim'm West, a widely respected rapper. Mr. West, who is H.I.V.-positive, is also an AIDS activist and a schoolteacher.

Their 2002 debut album, "BourgieBohoPostPomoAfroHomo," deals with homosexuality less sensually than politically. In one rhyme Mr. West notes that the struggle going on inside his body is far more frightening than the street violence so often discussed in hip-hop. "I got T's and disease fightin' for possession of me / How am I gonna be scared of Glocks you pops, G?," he rhymes in "Rhyters Retreat."

The collective uses live instruments and plays with forms the way the experimental rappers the Roots do. Its rappers, or M.C.'s, rhyme with the intellectual revolutionary pose of Chuck D and the erudition of Cornel West. They feel that just being homosexual in hip-hop is a revolutionary act.

"We're just trying to shatter that whole notion that a real M.C. has to be straight," Tim'm West said. The collective's most recent album, "Them Niggas Done Went and Said," was released on April 19.

The collective and Caushun are part of an openly gay hip-hop world that is as varied as its straight counterpart. A rapper named Semaj from Brooklyn, who calls himself "a thug who happens to be homosexual," wants to appeal to the same people who love Jay-Z. Tori Fixx from Minneapolis calls himself a cross between the mellow rapper Q-Tip and Prince. Mr. Fixx released an album called "The Mochasutra." Miss Money, a rapper, singer and producer from Houston, has been called the gay Missy Elliot. MaaSen, from Sweden, rhymes in a high-energy style reminiscent of the Irish-American rap group House of Pain. Katey Red is a transvestite from New Orleans. There are others in England, Switzerland and France.

Many say the best openly gay M.C. is a short white lesbian named Cyryus (pronounced Serious). In 1998 she released an album called "The Lyricist," which recalls the moody, brooding, lyric-focused feel of the rap group Black Moon. On a song called "Y Us?" she rhymes about a lesbian friend who's pretending to be straight. "You doin ya own thing/ a portrait of success/ congratulations!/ You've been nominated best supporting actress!/ I certainly hope the enemy is impressed/ now I carry the struggle on my shoulders cuz I've inherited your stress."

But Cyryus hasn't been able to test her talent because just being gay in America is challenging enough.

"When I met her in 1996 she was like, 'I got a record, I'm pushing it,' " said Dutchboy, a rapper in the group Rainbow Flava and a central figure in gay hip-hop. "She was playing all these shows at all these pride events. Then she had some family problems and had to go live with her mom for a while. Then she was like, I'm joining the army. She lasted about a year before she got thrown out on some don't ask, don't tell. Last I knew she was bouncing around the South." No one I spoke to knew how to find her.

Many in gay hip-hop feel it's inevitable that a gay rapper will gain mainstream success. They point to the once unthinkable success of a white rapper like Eminem. "It'll be like D-Day," Dutchboy said. "A lot of people will go down trying and then someone will make it off the beach."

The record business isn't so sure. Executives from major hip-hop labels, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said there was little chance of an openly gay rapper succeeding in the ultra-homophobic world of hip-hop. "A manager plays a record for us," one executive said, "and it's incredible, then the manager says, 'Oh by the way, he's gay.' Everything stops. I really think we would probably tell him don't talk about it. Don't rock the boat."

Mr. Simmons says there is a chance, if a gay artist can find the right niche. "The hip-hop hardcore kid may think it's funny, may buy a single," Mr. Simmons said, "but he's not likely to buy an album because you're not speaking to a lifestyle that they're aspiring to. All these rappers are talking about a lifestyle that people relate to or aspire to. I don't think the average straight hip-hop consumer is going to buy it, but there's a lot of gay consumers buying rap records."

Of course, it would be tough for a gay rapper to get the discussion off of his sexuality and onto his rhymes. The cultural critic Michael Eric Dyson, who is a professor of African-American studies and religious studies at the University of Pennsylvania, said, "Your flow would have to be so ridiculous that Biggie would be envious!"

Hip-hop has long ignored gay rappers and straight hip-hop stars who visit gay clubs, some of whom use homophobic language in their rhymes. "I haven't had sex with any famous rappers, but I know about some," Dutchboy said with a hint of mischief.

Coming out of the closet has its artistic advantages. Mr. Kalamka said that before he came out he was unable to freestyle because he was afraid of what he might say. Now he can. Hanifah Walidah, a San Francisco rapper, agreed that coming out gave her new strength. "I look at old videotapes of me performing when I was in the closet," Ms. Walidah said, "and I could see through my body language that my body was tight, that I was holding something in, I wasn't giving all that I had to give. Sometimes I look at these M.C.'s who I know are gay and they're off the hook and I'm like, damn, wonder what they'll be like when they come out? How dope will they be when they're truly free?"

Asked whether or not the hip-hop nation is ready for a gay M.C., Tim'm West said: "The question is irrelevant. The openly gay M.C. is here. Will you or will you not respond to it? If you don't, I'm still going to keep making rhymes. I'm not interested in whether or not America is ready for me. I'm here."

Touche'D talk about a girl I was once close to and how shes acting shady on me now "So When are you gonna come and see me HU? when youve filled you girlfriend quota? Travled all over the world but Minnesota? Dont matter if I say pop or soda... Dont matter if you say Hella or really cuz years from now Im still gonna be me. Only differance is you might not see me cuz when you cant have me sure wanna be with me... no wanna be seen with me? better look in the mirror before you turn Touche'D ... Touche' Lady , take a hit flip the script and become slim shady.. dont matter if your dating a B**ch or a ladie cuz when you wanna ask me out im gonna say maybe"

Sone of the topics I talk about on my upcoming CD White Lesbian Rapper will be Lesbian topics such as: Hurt by ex gfs, a song about Jeeps (popular gay automobile), lesbian trends such as Jocks and abercrombie and Fitch jeans, with girls in pony tails, being broke, kinky cop sex, complation of naming of old school song titles talking about all the songs that remind you of one person from back in the day.

You may email me at Crookedluvr21@aol.com for more info

this is a joke right?

Givin' cookies: Gay sex in the hip hop world
Are the conditions right for a hot-shot gay rapper to shoot to the top of the charts?
50 Cent: Not Homophobic/"Ain't Into Faggots"
music made by the gays? C/D?
Who put the homophobia in hip hop?

http://www.citypages.com/databank/27/1329/article14381.asp
http://blogs.citypages.com/pscholtes/2006/05/tori_fixx_fuck.asp

Thus, having the possibility to wear an Eminem t-shirt and so-to-say proclaim "Hey, I like Eminem so I cannot be gay", is very useful for 12-14-year-olds and Eminem knows that.

That being said, the 80s was a time with more tolerance at least towards gay symbols. I mean, half of the big UK pop acts were gay or bisexuals anyway.

I'm not sure whether gay people would spread all over the genres in the same numbers though. I would guess the number of gay males who are into house, dance or disco is probably more than 10 per cent, whereas the percentage who are into hip-hop or metal (another homophobic genre) is considerably less.

"We find a deeper clue to the terror associated with homosexual impulses by noting the class structure of the society. Broadly speaking, homosexuality is considered most abhorrent in those societies which decry social stratification; it is particularly an issue when an insurgent lower-status group is aggressively pressing claims against an older and more priviledged social order. In an established social group that is not under serious challenge, homosexual feelings are not usually strongly decried; they are often institutionalized and even, under some circumstances, regarded as noble."

You'll even notice in this thread that the places in America with a thriving homosexual hip-hop scene are coincidentally places of affluence. San Fran prides itself on being the "Gayest city in America" and coincidentally had (still has?) the highest income per capita in the entire country. I distinctly remember New York City being the ten richest city according to the last census. Just how many poor and undereducated homosexuals have you met in your life?

I would suspect that the emergence of homosexual rappers will directly correlate with hip-hop culture not being necessarily related to the lives of poor black Americans.

!!

Good thing there aren't any poor, black, gay Americans.

Whether 10% or 100% of all people, rappers or lower-class blacks are "latently homosexual" isn't very helpful in understanding why it is harder to come out of the closet and flaunt it in front of everybody in a that community. That's what I think is the question being asked.

this has gotta be in the running for "most ignorant question ever asked," don't it? let's review the reasoning here

1. San Francisco has a high per-capita
2. San Francisco has a lot of gay ppl
therefore
3. gays are affluent

rofflICIOUS I tell you. Where are these affluent gays getting their money, Cunga? from the straight culture that so famously employs them in so many well-paying capacities?

I said there was a correlation between homosexuality and affluent areas, not a causation neccesarily, so don't strawman me please. Homosexuality has long been a staple in artistic and intellectual circles--which you might be interested to know that San Fran and NYC has(!)-- so I don't know why you are now acting like this is shocking news or act as if that accusation is now a bad thing. So what if gays are concentrated there and what if they do have a lot of cash? Why do you act so defensive about this idea?

Where are these affluent gays getting their money, Cunga?

I don't claim to have all the answers on this issue and maybe there is no causation at work but wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that the fact homosexuals don't "typically" (I say this to avoid those glib all-or-nothing responses) start families leave them with more disposable income than the average person?

from the straight culture that so famously employs them in so many well-paying capacities?

If 10% of the population is latently gay (along with 10% of rappers, as someone suggested), wouldn't it make sense that there is a problem detecting who they are and wouldn't that explain away why straight people have no problem paying them equally?

wtf does this mean? what about sweden?

An interesting theory except he seems to completely ignore the education factor.

Yeah, the Twisted G thread was a big miss. Still "processing."

Oh, and there's plenty and I do mean plenty of non-rich gay men of other races, too. I've never filed a tax form other than a 1040EZ, FYI.

http://gawker.com/389588/the-gay-hip-hop-book-revealed-actors-rappers-and-a-megastar

Dean's friend "Corey" is a singer-songwriter who was featured on the MTV series The Cut, opened shows for Jay-Z, appeared in a Broadway musical, and then signed with "Eli, a popular multiplatinum rapper, who had just started a label at the time (in the 90s)."

"Eli was a force to be reckoned with. He flew out the gate with his debut album and would become a mainstay in the ever-changing Hip Hop industry, where many rappers are one-hit wonders. He has been hailed as one of the greatest rappers to bless the mic."

It turns out that Corey has been giving oral sex to Eli (whom Dean describes as "fine as hell") in Eli's home studio. "Up until that moment I had never heard anything remotely close about the rapper being gay. Eli was a burgeoning superstar who parlayed his marketability into television and movie credits. He even had a promising clothing line. But every man's got needs and Eli's needed tending to."

For Immediate Release
January 28, 2010

WHERE THEY AT: A MULTI-MEDIA ARCHIVE OF NEW ORLEANS BOUNCE

Documenting the Latest Indigenous Musical Genre To Arise From the Streets of New Orleans, Focusing on Gay & Transgendered Performers

February 11 – March 27, 2010 at Abrons Art Center
The Abrons Arts Center is proud to announce Where They At, an exhibition that portrays the founders, architects, and players in New Orleans hip-hop and the uniquely regional rap known as bounce music, a phenomenon that evolved from the communities based in the city’s housing projects. Photographs, oral histories, and video footage compiled by photographer Aubrey Edwards and journalist Alison Fensterstock document the passing of seminal beats from New Orleans music traditions to a new generation in the late 1980's, and the creation of this new voice in Southern roots music.

This exhibition at the Abrons Arts Center features portraits culled from the larger archive of New Orleans hip-hop and bounce artists to focus on women and gay and transgendered men in early New Orleans hip-hop and bounce. The prominence of queer members of the bounce community, such as Big Freedia, Sissy Nobby, and Vockah Redu, defies the myth of insurmountable homophobia within Hip-Hop, and speaks to a curious tradition in African-American entertainment in New Orleans, which has accepted and celebrated queer and cross-dressing entertainers for over half a century. Katey Red, a Sissy, was signed to the prominent bounce record label Take Fo’.

Audio-visual stations offer footage of live performances as well as oral history recordings by members and tradition bearers of the Bounce community. Collected ephemera, such as LPs, tapes and posters highlight the material culture and its adaptations over time. A full online cultural archive will be launched in conjunction with the exhibition, serving as the only resource of its kind in hip-hop research.

This multi-media archive draws a line to the present-day diaspora, as Hurricane Katrina has scattered a once tight-knit bounce and hip-hop community whose music only existed at home — a home that has been redefined physically and culturally. Where They At will also be exhibited during SXSW in Austin, Texas and will launch during Jazz Fest in New Orleansat the Odgen Museum of Southern Art, where numerous events spanning several months have been planned.

New Orleans has midwifed every existing form of indigenous American music, including funk and the street music exemplified by 2nd Line bands and Mardi Gras Indians. Hip-hop is the newest manifestation of that Southern tradition. Mardi Gras Indian chants, brass band beats and call-and-response routines equally inform bounce music, which almost invariably samples the Showboys’ “Drag Rap” (a.k.a. “Triggerman”) and Derek B’s “Rock the Beat” or Cameron Paul’s “Brown Beats.” Featuring lyrical patterns that focus mainly on sex, parties and dancing, it invites – even demands – audience participation by calling out dance steps or prompting replies.

In the 90’s heyday of New Orleans hip-hop, female rappers like Mia X, Ms Tee, Magnolia Shorty and Cheeky Blakk appeared in significant number with songs that were just as bawdy and aggressive as their male counterparts. Often, their tracks served as answer songs that challenged male MC’s sexism in a way that created playfully ribald conversation, such as Silky Slimm’s “Sista Sista” or Mia X’s “Da Payback.”

The full Where They At archive project will open at the Smithsonian-affiliated Ogden Museum of Southern Art in New Orleans in April 2010, on the eve of the first Jazz Fest weekend.

Where They At is the title of a song generally recognized as the first bounce release, recorded by DJ Jimi Payton in 1992 for producer Isaac Bolden’s Avenue Records. (The song was recorded earlier the same year as a homemade cassette-only release by rapper T.T. Tucker, with the late DJ Irv.)To all accounts, these recordings marked the point in time at which New Orleans rap found its own voice in the raw, celebratory, infectious block-party sound that would go on to influence artists at the top of the game. The chants Jimi originated on that track, “Do it, baby, stick it” and “Shake that ass like a salt shaker” are still quoted by Bounce artists recording and DJing parties today. DJ Jimi famously used his mother and grandmother as backup dancers.

Alison Fensterstock is a New Orleans-based music journalist. From 2006-2009, she wrote an award-winning music column for the city’s alt-weekly, The Gambit. Her writing on roots music and New Orleans rap has appeared in MOJO, Vibe, Q, Paste, Spin and the Oxford American Music Issue. Recently, she wrote the text for “Unsung Heroes: The Secret History of Louisiana Rock n’ Roll,” an exhibit currently on display at the Louisiana State Museum. She is the programming director for the Ponderosa Stomp Foundation. Her Gambit cover story on gay and transgendered bounce artists in New Orleans, “Sissy Strut,” was selected for an honorable mention in Da Capo Press’s Best Music Writing 2009.

Aubrey Edwards is a Brooklyn- and New Orleans-based music photographer and educator. Edwards was the primary music photographer for the alt-weekly Austin Chronicle from 2004-2008; her present client list includes the United Nations, Magnolia Pictures, Playboy, SPIN and Comedy Central. She teaches photography and videography in Brooklyn schools, as well as with continuing adult education. Her recent work in New Orleans includes guest lecturing with the University of New Orleans photo department and conducting workshops with the New Orleans Kid Camera Project.

UPCOMING “WHERE THEY AT” EVENTS

February 11, 2010, 6-9 pm: Opening at the Abrons Art Center/ Henry Street Settlement

466 Grand Street (on the Lower East Side), New York, NY
212.598.0400
Trains: J/M/Z or F to Delancey/Essex; B/D to Grand St.

March 16-21, 2010: South by Southwest events

Day Party/Closing party at the Birdhouse Gallery

1304 E. Cesar Chavez, Austin, TX

April 22, 2010: Full archive opening at the Ogden Museum of Southern Art

900 Camp St., New Orleans LA

April 23, 2010: Partial exhibition opening on the grounds of the New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival in the Grandstand.

Ongoing programming at the Ogden Museum, including performances, live interviews and screenings, will continue through July 2010 – dates TBD.

haha Katey Red and Vockah Reduh used to diss the shit out of each other. "They call her Vockah Redu because she re-do all the shit that I do."

http://twankleandglisten.blogspot.com/2008/08/katey-red-part-1.html

faggotbruce.com

"Love me or hate me, it ain't matter. You still gon' git touched." apparently

was hoping this thread would be revived for kanye's official but i guess we'll carry on waiting

Aubrey Edwards & Alison Fensterstock on NY radio taking about Bounce and sissy rap. The host makes much of how hard it was to even find brief clips that were playable on the radio. lol FCC lol fundie U.S.

They're also taking Partners-N-Crime, DJ Jubilee, Katey Red, Big Freedia, Vockah Redu, Magnolia Shorty and Ms Tee to SXSW in March, kickstarter page here.

I've been thinking about Tupac.

I'm definitely not saying Pac is gay,
(I seriously doubt that)

but I do think it's interesting what he got away with
while still being considered "hard"
I mean, his Thug Life legacy
overlooks the fact that he started out a ballet dancer in school
and rented books from his school library such as "The Definitive History of Theater"
He also apparently listened to Kate Bush & read Shakespeare.
seriously, how did he get away with that stuff?

here's a contrast between early tupac & later:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrD-Yp3a-dY&feature=related

oh, btw I don't believe homosexuality is intrinsically synonymous w/ effeteness or some kind of "masculinity fail"
but hard / gay is the dichotomy within mainstream hip hop obviously

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kxdtlls0Zm1qz93a6o1_400.jpg

that's a very nice leather bustier you've got there, pac

<3 early marc loi 2pac <3

haha otm

that Sissy Bounce shit is the bomb. loved writing that event up while listenin to katey red.

i have the last issue of Outpunk somewhere, there's a great, lengthy article on queers in hip-hop. i'll pull it out sometime sooon.

50 Cent: Not Homophobic/"Ain't Into Faggots"

Untrue.

http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/c/camron/album-confessions-of-fire.jpg

we work hard, we play hard

http://onstuff.net/img/the-anvil.jpg

Not revived for Emanuel Vinson?

holy shit, "Ghost De Megafloor" is fucking fantastic

Too many adjectives and backslashes.

lol okay this guy has only 1 good track

where all them gay rappers at?
it's like xanadu in this habitat

seems like i should have an opinion on this but

recently a guy i know's been at the center of a 'gay rapper' controversy -- basically he's been on the local battle rap circuit for a few years, has a slight lisp and has been dressing more loud/hipsterish lately, decided to respond to gay rumors by spitting some o_O innuendo at a battle to throw an opponent off his game. then when video of the battle got online, it ended up all over worldstarhiphop, thisis50 as 'the gay battle rapper'. he says he's straight so i dunno how he's dealing with all this but it's pretty nuts.

well, hey, free publicity can't exactly be all bad for someone trying to break into the music industry

ya it worked for joe budden

lol

but yeah dude seems to be looking at it primarily as free publicity

this the battle you talking about?

http://worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh0qQ6bL6JB3MmdeCp

yup

dude is a pretty good battle rapper

haha

http://www.theroot.com/buzz/hot-97-deejay-busted-public-sex-man

Mister Cee got caught getting head from a dude in public. Twitter homophobia ensues.

Wasn't Missy Elliot rumoured to be gay? And she co-wrote Oops, Oh My with/for Tweet, which seemed like it could be a lesbian fantasy that just stopped short of explicitly coming out.

Missy rumors seem kind of irrelevant now that the biggest female rapper in like 10 years is openly bisexual

Not one mention on this thread of Soce the Elemental Wizard?

During his performances, he typically dons a wizard’s cap.[1]

^^I think that might be all the explanation needed.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wizard%27s+sleeve

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/27e72286b1a116cf0d0f5136a8532040.gif

loooooooooool

50 actually is being p cool about the Mr Cee stuff

http://www.missinfo.tv/index.php/50-cent-speaks-out-on-mr-cee-in-light-of-his-arrest-ill-get-rid-of-whoo-kid-and-make-cee-my-dj-any-day-exclusive/

man did a twitter search on #mrcee

how fucking shameful hip hop

thought thread was being bumped for this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsM4bI63iaQ

yeah that song is awesome

man did a twitter search on #mrcee

how fucking shameful hip hop

Yeah, without trying to turn this into a thing about race, I always forget just how homophobic large portions of the African-American community are.

I mean, yeah, plenty of homophobes of all races, but there is an ingrained cultural thing in the African-American community that rears its head when stuff like this happens.

communities that feel threatened demographically are usually pretty homophobic and anti-abortion. it's like a self-preservation/MUST PROCREATE AT ALL COSTS kind of thinking

(and yeah duh obviously not unique to black community)

Yeah, without trying to turn this into a thing about race, I always forget just how homophobic large portions of the African-American community are.

― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, April 7, 2011 5:25 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

nice try not turning this into a thing about race

ha max

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic65OSynCf8

nice try not turning this into a thing about race

Do you ever just lay off dude? I'm sorry, I'll try to talk to my friend who teaches minority studies to provide me with specific references I can cite next time.

if you dont want this to be a thing about race, dont bring race up!

the mr. cee story is straight SVU

maybe we can somehow merge this really fruitful discussion with sarahel's investigation into the downlow community?

maybe we could just drop it for a change?

jeezo anyway i just thought it was sad to see all these hip hop fans on twitter making #mrcee jokes and basically shitting on the poor dude.

^^^ otm

Sorry guys, I'll drop it and, yeah, I guess I shouldn't have mentioned it in the first place. But to try and pretend that race has absolutely nothing to do with homophobia in hip-hop is on some pretty huge blinders on shit. Not that this is the right place to hold such a discussion, but, still.

I mean, yeah, plenty of homophobes of all races, but there is an ingrained cultural thing in the African-American community that rears its head when stuff like this happens.

― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, April 7, 2011 10:25 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

assumed this was a platonic troll post tbh

Sorry guys, I'll drop it

This is all you need to have said.

WTF. Its a legitimate issue that ties in directly to what this thread is all about!

smh

Yeah, without trying to turn this into a thing about race you are probably right.

You guys are so fucking infuriating sometimes.

you are trying really hard not to turn this into a thing about race! and i appreciate that

without trying to turn this into a thing about jon /via/ chi 2.0 freaking out all the time, i hope jon /via/ chi 2.0 chills out itt

I'm just confused is all. Iirc, nothing I said was offensive or inflammatory.

yes it was actually

I don't really know what is more infuriating:

- watching the social construct of hip-hop culture equated with the larger social construct of the African-American community
- watching a social attitude within that community get linked especially to both that social construct and that genetic group, even though it also exists in most every (if not every, no qualifiers) other ethnic social construct in the country
- as a member of that community, getting relegated to invisible man status by the asshole making pronouncements about me

like, there are plenty of ways to talk about homophobia in hip-hop without making a "not to be all about race, but it bums me out that this is what black people do" comment that even five seconds of thought could have led you to

Okay, its just been on my mind because I was having dinner with this weekend with a friend that lectures on these very topics and she was filling me in on the long history of homophobia in the African-American community. Iirc, my posts above clarified that homophobes were found in all sorts of groups!

I mean, my post came from a genuince place, whether it came out that way or not. I had a legitimate discussion about this the other night and I've been thinking about it since.

what does a "long history of homophobia" even look like

America, basically

ya I was gonna say
seems like it would be basically indistinguishable from a "long history of living in a nation where homosexuality is criminalized/otherwise not tolerated"

Alright, I was trying to bring up what I thought was a valid discussion in relation to the Mister Cee incident and this topic in general, apparently I framed it horribly. I'm sorry.

we're all sorry :)

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― Alicia Leafgreen, Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:51 PM (4 years ago)

slept on post

I told a friend a few months ago to perform an experiment: imagine listening to songs, 97% of which are not written by, for, or to you.

"a song about Jeeps (popular gay automobile)"
lmfao

I'm just bummed because I truly meant this from a good place and I'm catching a lot of flak, when other posters have spouted a lot of intentionally hateful stuff without this much abuse for it.

eh, I dunno what to tell you — when life gives you lemons... don't make it about race

this is probably pertinent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lJoabhPLDU

I think you meant to say "probably excellent"

this board has a long sad history of jonophobia, but at this point I don't know if there's anything any one of us can do about it, it's a pretty institutionalized mentality

free mr. cee

this board has a long sad history of jonophobia, but at this point I don't know if there's anything any one of us can do about it, it's a pretty institutionalized mentality

WTF dude?

JOKES BRUV

i mean jeez

"We're going to make fun of you for taking things too personally, but then we're going to keep addressing you specifically by name."

jon if you make an authoritative claim that a group of people has an ingrained cultural attitude and then say, "don't ask me to back up what i'm saying at all" and then act all victimized when others take offense at your generalization...i mean.

Okay, I apologize again for the way it was framed.

I would like to know when I pissed in some dude's cornflakes though, he really seems to have it in for me.

it was such a mild zing, clearly kindly intentioned!

jon, I like you: go get a drink.

that's the weirdest drinking game ever, Alfred

what if I throw in karaoke?

well then it just becomes awesome

drinking + karaoke = guaranteed good time

Drinkoke

Karakinky.

why is that lil b song pertinent?

lil b plays with homophobia in hip hop, especially with his (fake) group called bitch mob, who put out a new song today

other than the fact the thing is called bitch mob, it was just all about getting blowjobs from women....i guess outside of calling himself a bitch sometimes i don't really see how he's different from like any other rapper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl6Mf4yTm7A

I told a friend a few months ago to perform an experiment: imagine listening to songs, 97% of which are not written by, for, or to you.

I get what you're driving at, but I don't listen to music to "relate" or "identify" with the performers or subjects.

huh lil b wrote a song based on frogbs' college radio show

lol

I get what you're driving at, but I don't listen to music to "relate" or "identify" with the performers or subjects.

My point, though, is I settled years earlier on your approach because of what I noticed.

xpost

yeah rev but that song title is a little bit different thing imo than the one j0rdy posted

i guess outside of calling himself a bitch sometimes i don't really see how he's different from like any other rapper

thank you j0rdan and horseshoe for pointing out that i was not attacking jon and just joking around. don't know how many times i have to tell dude on his threads about everybody hating him that i don't hate him but eh go fig.

I know about as little about being gay as I do about being hip-hip. Sorry guys, I'll drop it.

didnt someone already do some kind of statistical analysis that suggested that homophobia tied more closely to level of religion than race in any meaningful way

i mean i know you cant tell who was raised christian by looking at a twitpic the way you can tell if a twitterer is black but
also black ppl are on twitter to a larger degree than white ppl iirc
and hip hop regardless of race tends to attract ppl into a hypermasculine mode of thinking
and of course homophobic white ppl seem to have a tendency to make it about their oppression, i.e. the pc police dont let me say x any more, rather than saying things outright

i dunno there are lots of things w/ jon's post that seem off to me, in addition to what djp already listed

to be honest jon i think what went thru a lot of ppl's heads when you brought it up that way was, 'wtf didnt we already do this' because back when prop whatever it was in cali passed this exact same discussion shot around every message board & blog discussion remotely related to politics, so bringing it up again wasnt just wrong on its face, but old news too

also when i did a #mrcee search i wasn't bombarded w/ an onslaught of homophobia, and it wasn't virulent homophobia either that you see from, for instance, religious white ppl -- i even saw a few people too that said "the point is not that it was a dude"

to be honest jon i think what went thru a lot of ppl's heads when you brought it up that way was, 'wtf didnt we already do this' because back when prop whatever it was in cali passed this exact same discussion shot around every message board & blog discussion remotely related to politics, so bringing it up again wasnt just wrong on its face, but old news too

― timbo slice (D-40), Thursday, April 7, 2011 9:25 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

this was mainly my issue

basically american culture is homophobic period & trying to dice it up into little groups really doesnt seem pertinent

fwiw it's not like running a Mr. Cee search on any website is going to bring up NICE remarks right now -- only mean/derisive ones with the occasional defense. it's not like he proudly came out of the closet and people, he got busted for something that's at least mildly embarrassing regardless of your feelings on homosexuality.

should've read "it's not like he proudly came out of the closet and people are attacking him for it"

basically american culture everyone is homophobic period & trying to dice it up into little groups really doesnt seem pertinent

Deap Dick Collective out of Oakland,CA

...and they rock...

― S, Friday, November 1, 2002 10:56 AM (8 years ago)

they were awesome

p sure that if jeff gordon* (WHITE PEOPLE) got busted getting blowed by a dude the "twitterscape" (<---suicidable word right there) would be just as bleak.

*is he even a thing anymore? not really up on this

gbx otm

gbx, gordon is still competitive, but the dude at work that's into it says he's maybe slipped a bit and i guess some NASCAR rule changes in recent years about how they keep score weren't favorable to gordon

well

you know

i kinda regret even posting anything at all

so sorry

i was just bummed out for mr. cee

this must be kinda difficult to go through with

twitter and every thing now

i feel slightly bad for mr. cee, will feel differently depending on how he handles this

gbx, gordon is still competitive, but the dude at work that's into it says he's maybe slipped a bit and i guess some NASCAR rule changes in recent years about how they keep score weren't favorable to gordon

boggling at the idea of "rules"

i mean obv there are rules, but like is there inside nascar nerdery going on where ppl are thinking "well gordon's a classic driver, he stays near the front and attacks late in the game when he sees an advantage. unfortunately, he's not great in the heat, and when it's 90+degrees outside hooboy he'll just slide to the back like a dew drop down a corn husk"

for real: "scoring?" wtf is up w/nascar

they tried to make it more like a 'normal' sport in an effort to attract more fans

i.e. they instituted a playoff-esque format

yeah i guess it's basically like you get points for a season, based on how you place in races....i think now they've skewed it so you get a lot more points for winning races as opposed to, say, placing 5th or something...so my impression was gordon was more of a steady-eddie type that would consistently place in the top 10 of races but not necessarily win a lot of races like jimmy johnson, so he was "penalized" by how they changed the scoring...

then obv the chase for the cup, which is kinda like the "playoffs" jordan is talking about....

i dunno, a couple people at work are really into it and so they tell me about it and i guess lots of hardcore nascar fans feel like nascar "sold out" or something

the biggest female rapper in like 10 years is openly bisexual

ok, who?

nicki

haw

basically nascar sounds like european football. which is kind of good, now that i think about it.

oh also european football is just gay as hell

actually nascar sounds like pro tour cycling

yeah i wouldn't doubt if it's pretty similar to any racing type league

basically, i've learned that serious nascar fans are total nerds about all the minutia of the sport

homophobia is way more tied to class (or er...education?) than race surely (or at least...homophobia expressed in certain ways)

religion

jeff gordon has been blowing for several years now fwiw

Homosexuality and Basketball: The Gay Raptors Thread

lol does nicki minaj really qualify as bisexual in any serious discussion on the matter

gettin a blowy from a dude doesn't make you gay imo

^^^^And it's this dumbass/homophobic mentality is why I don't have that many straight friends.

If two men are engaged in a sexual act no matter the position, it is gay as hell.

The act is gay, the dudes may not be.

Don't rate the player rate the gayme.

gettin a blowy from a dude doesn't make you gay imo

what does it make you?

"classic snoball!"
-nobody

xxxpost to jaymc comment

Yeah that type of the mentality make so called "straight" people use their privilege to engage in homosexual acts but then deny that they are somewhat attractive to the same gender. Why engage in something like that if you are not remotely attractive to that same person? Once again, "straight" men are just strange.

gettin a blowy from a dude doesn't make you gay imo

― billy childish gambino (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, April 8, 2011 1:39 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^^And it's this dumbass/homophobic mentality is why I don't have that many straight friends.

― lilsoulbrother, Friday, April 8, 2011 2:10 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the fact that i think its everyone's right to chose their own sexual orientation is homophobic?

if only there was some word we could use for people who are attracted to both men and women!

You can do whatever the hell you want behind closed doors. The thing that annoys me is those people who engage in acts and publicly decry those acts to fit into the mainstream society.

Did Mister Cee actually say anything on the matter though?

i just read these three tweets re: biggie and homosexuality:

http://twitter.com/dreamhampton313/status/55474575089221632
http://twitter.com/dreamhampton313/status/55474832774672384
http://twitter.com/dreamhampton313/status/55474981022343168

is it possible that mr cee didn't know that it was a dude

if only there was some word we could use for people who are attracted to both men and women!

What else could we say?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/__qG3uGNAsas/Sd3RBLunryI/AAAAAAAAA5k/tpBahjVZYvE/s320/flea%2Band%2Bkurt%2Bcobain_855_18805409_0_0_15358_300.jpg

There's nothing gayer than not being gay.

maybe I'm just unaware of the significant number of women lurking in men's bathrooms but that just seems unlikely

RIP B.I.G

maybe I'm just unaware of the significant number of women lurking in men's bathrooms but that just seems unlikely

― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Friday, April 8, 2011 2:22 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark

yeah it seems unlikely to me but idk -- was a bathroom involved?

I thought that was the whole story? He was busted in a public restroom getting head from a guy?

i just read these three tweets re: biggie and homosexuality:

http://twitter.com/dreamhampton313/status/55474575089221632
http://twitter.com/dreamhampton313/status/55474832774672384
http://twitter.com/dreamhampton313/status/55474981022343168

― lex pretend, Friday, April 8, 2011 11:20 AM (25 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^OMG!!! What??? Really???

Yeah that type of the mentality make so called "straight" people use their privilege to engage in homosexual acts but then deny that they are somewhat attractive to the same gender. Why engage in something like that if you are not remotely attractive to that same person? Once again, "straight" men are just strange.

You can be attracted to people of the same sex and engage in same-sex acts, but I don't think that makes you gay unless it constitutes the full extent of your sexual preferences.

(Some of us don't consider ourselves straight OR gay.)

lol does nicki minaj really qualify as bisexual in any serious discussion on the matter

― fauxmarc, Friday, April 8, 2011 1:32 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark

not necessarily (although she gave an interview to Out Magazine fwiw), i was just pointing out that she's a bigger current star with more overt bisexual lyrics/image than Missy after Missy was brought up

oh it was a car, lol

basically all of the George Michael stories make me assume ppl are always getting busted in bathrooms

is this the part where we list every 80s/90s hiphop song featuring a rapper getting hoodwinked by a tranny

cuz man it sure seemed to happen a LOT back in the day

minaj has played eye-rollingly coy on the subject of her own sexuality but you certainly can't have a discussion of hip-hop and homosexuality without talking about what she's brought to the table

HAHA, Shakey, I was gonna start a post like that a few years ago

what she's brought to the table

― lex pretend, Friday, April 8, 2011 2:26 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

DAT ASS?

if only there was some word we could use for people who are attracted to both men and women!

Cute Whiney. But you know as well as I do that the idea of bisexual men are seen as boogie men. They shouldn't be seen as that, but our society isn't as accepting.

Bi men are loathed even more than gay men IIRC.

bi men aren't so much loathed as just...disbelieved

like the idea of bisexuality is just not even considered most of the time

You can be attracted to people of the same sex and engage in same-sex acts, but I don't think that makes you gay unless it constitutes the full extent of your sexual preferences.

(Some of us don't consider ourselves straight OR gay.)

― jaymc, Friday, April 8, 2011 11:23 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

People who don't identify with any sexual preference is all well and good. However, they are only seen as a problem if they publicly enforce the heterosexual mindset of society in order to fit in.

is this the part where we list every 80s/90s hiphop song featuring a rapper getting hoodwinked by a tranny

― in my world of loose geirs (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 8 April 2011 19:26 (1 minute ago) Bookmark

lol i thought about starting a thread about this

bi men aren't so much loathed as just...disbelieved

Disbelieved by gay men, mostly.

like the idea of bisexuality is just not even considered most of the time

― lex pretend, Friday, April 8, 2011 11:30 AM (59 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yeah and it's a fucked up idea too. It's okay for women to be bisexual because that means a straight guy can fantasize about two women getting it on. But men have to be either gay or straight - no ambiguity at all.

Disbelieved by gay men, mostly.

You forgot feared and disbelieved by straight women too.

cue the violins

"chill, took off that mustache, grabbed that ass and I fucked her" rappers straight up having problems with telling genders apart thread

cue the violins

Apathy can be as worse than down outright hate.

It's okay for women to be bisexual because that means a straight guy can fantasize about two women getting it on. But men have to be either gay or straight - no ambiguity at all.

You forget that men, in general, have no ambiguity at all.

I don't understand what you mean. Are you saying, every man in the world is straightforward in their sexuality or opinions? They have no complexity whatsoever?

You can be attracted to people of the same sex and engage in same-sex acts, but I don't think that makes you gay unless it constitutes the full extent of your sexual preferences.

(Some of us don't consider ourselves straight OR gay.)

― jaymc, Friday, April 8, 2011 11:23 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

People who don't identify with any sexual preference is all well and good. However, they are only seen as a problem if they publicly enforce the heterosexual mindset of society in order to fit in.

― lilsoulbrother, Friday, April 8, 2011 11:31 AM Bookmark

You're kind of proving lex's point here.

pretty cool how a guy who confesses that he doesn't have many straight friends is fronting like he's an expert on straight dudes in the same thread

everyone post how many irl friends you have itt

24

don't ask me if dead friends count because I don't know right now, it is a question I've been thinking of a lot lately because a couple people I know have died

just include them for now

dead people are not irl

well see, the thing is I had a friend who committed suicide recently and sometimes when I walk around I think about him, and I wonder if the thoughts that I have about him really should even exist anymore, because he doesn't really exist anymore irl, but does he?, and thinking about him, while walking around, makes me sad, but sometimes it doesn't, so should I even think about people at all, I've been thinking about it recently

also he would only add one to the people I know total so its not that big of a deal in that respect but it may be a big deal in other respects

~~ghosts~~

you should think about him

whatever else he was, he was always an idea in our head, and that idea is still there, it is still "real" in a literal sense

yeah that's pretty much the direction I'm gravitating towards, also, it's like, if I think about him, then I think about him, nothing more nothing less, but then again, its still kind of confusing

pretty cool how a guy who confesses that he doesn't have many straight friends is fronting like he's an expert on straight dudes in the same thread

Maybe I should have clarified that I don't have that many close straight male friends, but the ones I do have we discuss these issues fairly regularly. So I do have interactions with people from different orientations.

Also, what is wrong with talking about the unbalance, complex issue of how western World sees sexuality. That doesn't mean I'm fronting like an expert. This shit has been going on for awhile.

I think the point you are missing is that sexuality can be fluid and isn't necessarily something that's set in granite?

au contrare

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3252/3163685467_fa6ebfd7e3.jpg

xpost I think he's arguing people who use the "fluidity" defense only when they're caught getting head from a MOTSS in a men's bathroom.

I think the point you are missing is that sexuality can be fluid and isn't necessarily something that's set in granite?

Western society hasn't fully accepted this mindset. If we did, then Mister Cee having sex with a transsexual wouldn't be seen as a big deal.

Eric otm - it's really about privilege.

now its a tranny?

i thought it was just a guy?

it was always a tranny

which is why i asked if it was possible that mr cee didn't know it was a dude (highly unlikely i know)

The person Mister Cee was with is a male who dresses like/and maybe identifies with women. Hence he's transsexual.

Taken from Oxford Dictionary:

transsexual |tran(s)ˈsek sh oōəl|
noun
a person born with the physical characteristics of one sex who emotionally and psychologically feels that they belong to the opposite sex.

transvestite not transexual surely

probably not tho

So Wendy Williams is back at it again airing out the wrong folks. First, Method Man and his wifey. Now--DJ Mister Cee from Hot 97. The other day, Wendy talked about a certain DJ, who she tried to keep nameless but made hella obvious, who participates in some "tranny activities". No, Wendy wasn't talking about activities with herself, but with some actual trannies

http://blogs.sohh.com/ya_heard/2007/01/guess_whos_maki.html

did ethan write that headline?

transvestite not transexual surely

I always thought transsexual was the umbrella term for all the sexual orientation trans- terms.

whoa 2007

transvestite not transexual surely

why surely

because one means that you dress as the other sex while the other means you have your bits chopped off.

oh is that what those mean?

lol, i can't even get mad i know what to expect on here when these kinds of issues are broached at this point.

because one means that you dress as the other sex while the other means you have your bits chopped off.

― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Friday, April 8, 2011 2:42 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i don't think that transexual nec means you've had an operating iirc

thread needs lj

hahaha

slept on post

― buzza, Thursday, April 7, 2011 6:14 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

if you google alicia leafgreen, the first result is myspace.com/whitelesbianrapper

Alicia Leafy Green Dragon Indigo Girl,

because one means that you dress as the other sex while the other means you have your bits chopped off.

Nope

+ your bits get inverted, really

there was some discussion on the kids in the hall thread about the distinction in the way KITH wore women's clothes and the way Monty Python did, but I don't know if that neatly divides along the transvestite/transgender axis

Aw man ilx ate my explanatory post.

i've seen the term "non-op transsexual"

anyway quite obviously you can identify as a transsexual before you actually go through the operation -- in fact my reading of the situation is that it's a completely MANDATORY part of the deal, seeing as no surgeon will do the operation without the person having lived as a transsexual for years prior

yeah transvestites are typically straight men who either get off or just think it's fun to dress up as ladies. Literally just wearing the vestments of the other.

Drag queens are a diff thing entirely, as are transgendered ppl

anyway quite obviously you can identify as a transsexual before you actually go through the operation -- in fact my reading of the situation is that it's a completely MANDATORY part of the deal, seeing as no surgeon will do the operation without the person having lived as a transsexual for years prior

As far as I know: yup.

ok sorry for not being a dictionary.

you're a pre-op dictionary

true dat.

So Wendy Williams is back at it again airing out the wrong folks. First, Method Man and his wifey. Now--DJ Mister Cee from Hot 97. The other day, Wendy talked about a certain DJ, who she tried to keep nameless but made hella obvious, who participates in some "tranny activities". No, Wendy wasn't talking about activities with herself, but with some actual trannies

http://blogs.sohh.com/ya_heard/2007/01/guess_whos_maki.html

― J0rdan S., Friday, April 8, 2011 3:28 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

whats this abt meth?

i think it's referring to this, from a few years ago:

In 2006 Method Man had a highly personal and highly publicized conflict with TV talk show host Wendy Williams on The Breakdown, an internet show on ONLOQ.com. Williams talked on air about Method Man's wife having cancer, which was something he had wanted to keep private and even her own family members had not yet known about. He said that people who lived next door to him didn't even know, but Williams had dug it up and made it public over the radio.[13]

Williams also reported rumors that Method Man had even been having an affair with his wife's doctor. Method Man first heard of this while in recording sessions in Los Angeles.
“ She said me and [the doctor] was fucking. What kind of shit is that, man? You don't do that to nobody. I was ready. I was so mad, I was crying right there and I'm like, "I'm gonna kill some fucking body" but my [Wu-Tang] friends kept me in L.A.[14]

woah method is ice cold in this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du1UViOs4Hk

Yo Majesty are both lesbians. I guess they don't have to deal with issues of masculinity but instead a host of other issues of sexism instead. They seem to have handled it pretty well, but have gone off the radar (hopefully working on more stuff).

Club song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pfQT7etnKg

"Lesbian" song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbbvugSXUvc

holy shit "club action" is awesome. need a 6min edit in high bitrate mp3 asap please

yo majesty put on a great live show - this remix is my favourite thing they've done though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZaZwlB4i9M

When you find it, send it to me too. Club Action is so ridiculously catchy.
Just found out Yo Majesty split up (RIP) and Shunda released a solo album.

Anyways,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Homo_hop

just found the Club Action single and it has a remix by dude from arctic monkeys on it?

transvestite not transexual surely

I always thought transsexual was the umbrella term for all the sexual orientation trans- terms.

The word you are looking for is "transgender", which includes all sorts of people who identify themselves across gender/sex lines. "Transsexual" usually implies a person who feels s/he's living in a body of the "wrong" gender, and therefore needs to go through some kind of physiological change (hormone treatment and/or corrective surgery), even if s/he hasn't done so yet. So being transsexual is strongly connected to both the biological body and the psyche, whereas some other forms of transgenderism may not involve wanting to change your biological body. For example, you may be totally content to just adopt the clothes, styles and physical mannerisms of another gender without feeling the need to correct your physiology.

Just discovered these local girls who are a couple and have weirdly a lot of live footage on youtube but seemingly no recorded songs on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxdrlJJlnf4

re: deep dickollective
randomly saw a forgettable movie with timm'm once when he was teaching in dc

just found the Club Action single and it has a remix by dude from arctic monkeys on it?

not surprising, they were pretty regular in the pitchfork-y indie dance music circles

i was pretty partial to scattermish's timid fuckup edit in 2007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ocp_OORAGKc

xpost, they're on sub pop now iirc

Doesn't really surprise me. I know they've done shows with Shabazz Palaces, who are also on Sub Pop.

Timm'm had some interesting stuff in this book:

http://viz.cwrl.utexas.edu/files/SweetTea.jpg

prodigy

One of the biggest stories since you have been out is the whole Mister Cee situation. How do you feel about that?
I mean, I really don’t know exactly what happened. I ain’t look into it, or try to investigate all the facts. I’m just hearing what people saying, and radio, so I really don’t have that much of an opinion about it. But to each his own man, if it’s really like that.

It sounds crazy to me, like Cee is my nigga. We fuck with Mister Cee. That nigga loves Mobb Deep and always shows us love, and plays our music all the time on the radio. He’s one of the only ones that does that. It’s few of them, and he’s one of the main ones. So regardless of what, that nigga shows us love, and we’re going to show him love back.

He’s always going to get new music from us. That nigga call, we always going to pick up like “What’s up? You good?” If he wants to do a party, whatever. Whatever Mister Cee wants to do, we fuck with Mister Cee. That’s what it is.

lmao.

lol but also fucking good for him

the best— and i mean fucking BEST— Yo Majesty track is the UMYO remix of Kryptonite Pussy. it is un-fucking-stoppable at a dance party. http://www.mediafire.com/?jjeymwdnoyo

crossposting this from lil b thread cause relevant: http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/04/lil_b_on_im_gay_sartorial_regr.html

good interview, based god. kudos

I’m an ally to the people, and yes, I am an ally. I am a man that loves women, but I am an ally.

lil' mcbeal

people may not like me making fun of Lil B, but the important thing is that I'm so brave and people will remember me in 100 years.

makes this flaming faggot want to say thank you based god

he should point out that he's straight a few more times in the interview

then he wouldn't have space to talk about how important and brave he is

this is the most elaborate "if I act sensitive, girls will sleep with me" plot I've ever seen

hoes on my dick cause i look like marc loi

lmao

i had no idea this was the Vans guy

DJP I don't think the based god is exactly hurting for dates these days

I'm honestly a little weirded out by this whole thing

I think I understand it... but I'm still weirded out

remember this is a dude who once dropped the lyric:

like Waka Flocka... WE ON THE WAY!
all my bitches... ACT GAY!

(not that I think Lil B is on some crass cynicism or anything... but he is definitely a hustler, and he knows how to work an angle, even when he didn't pick the angle. if that makes sense?)

((which, again, is not at all to hate on what is unquestionably a gutsy and positive move))

i dunno i mean it's sort of a surprising development but it's totally in character.

is it really gutsy?

xp I think what people are (not incorrectly) taking issue with is the fact that a casual (or non-)fan could easily be misled into thinking that Lil B is, y'know, an openly gay rapper

fauxmarc: I say yes; even if in this case "I am gay" is really code for "I am against homophobia and identify with gay people rather than their oppressors", that is an unusually strong and explicit position for a rapper to take

XP

i think he knows that and doesnt give a fuck

dude has a song called "i'm miley cyrus"

I say yes; even if in this case "I am gay" is really code for "I am against homophobia and identify with gay people rather than their oppressors", that is an unusually strong and explicit position for a rapper to take

i know zero about this guy other than "commercially sustainable young independent rapper in 2011", correct me if i'm wrong - if that is the case i don't really see his speaking against homophobia as any sort of career-breaking move vs generating press like it is. also while he's cool with the gays under the broader scope of being anti-violence i don't really feel that's exactly the same as indentifying with them, especially when he goes out of his way to point out his status as our hetero hetero i like women hetero messiah or what the fuck ever that is all about. would like to see if there really is anything explicit in the lyrics.

I think what people are (not incorrectly) taking issue with is the fact that a casual (or non-)fan could easily be misled into thinking that Lil B is, y'know, an openly gay rapper

wasn't under the impression anyone was thinking any of this, like the the second i saw a thread about it it screams "jokey press campaign about words" if anything, which hey he sort of made it out to be anyway.

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/921/capture81.jpg

yeah this is someone we need speaking for oppressed people.

Dude's been visibly speaking against homophobia and playing with hiphop's taboos about sexuality for a good couple years now tho. It's not like some random rapper who's never addressed this kind of stuff in the past just suddenly said "I'm naming my next album 'I'm Gay'" just for controversy's sake (although sure, Lil B does like to stir the pot, no questions there). Like Gr80 said, this is kind of a surprising move, but completely in character.

yeah and obviously its inevitable that its going to be met with skepticism and misunderstanding but that's totally his style

Yep.

if only he could focus that energy on improving his hit/miss ratio, but it's an imperfect world

lil b comes off like he's motivated more by a) being a massive hippie (~only positive vibes~) b) attention-whoring/shit-stirring than being particularly invested in gay rights, but he also seems genuine, and willing to be an ally who says smart things alongside all of that, so it's ok.

his stating that he's str8 is ok too, assuming he actually is - one of the most pernicious ideas i've noticed is that gay rights is something only for gays to concern themselves with (and, connected, the amount of comments i've seen stating that they're ok with gay people as long as they don't come near me!!!1111). str8 people should also be concerned with gay rights, dudes should be concerned with feminism, all of this should go without saying.

countdown to compare-and-contrast with odd future starting now!

^my man

(no homo)

countdown to compare-and-contrast with odd future starting now!

they performed lil b's "i'm a pretty bitch" together at coachella

a) being a massive hippie (~only positive vibes~) b) attention-whoring/shit-stirring than being particularly invested in gay rights, but he also seems genuine, and willing to be an ally who says smart things alongside all of that, so it's ok.

very well-said

(whoops I cut off the first part of that sentence but you get the picture)

fucking awesome post lex.

his stating that he's str8 is ok too, assuming he actually is - one of the most pernicious ideas i've noticed is that gay rights is something only for gays to concern themselves with

two different things. the latter, his concerning himself, that's fine. the former, his stating his str8ness (specifically: needlessly over-stating) sets up subcontext placing the gays as this alien other thing he is definitely not a part of and does not identify with (but he's cool with them). it's the original no homo.

hey guys, naming my new album "I'm Gay" NO HOMO

Drake's new album: I'm Goy

I'm 'Ye

not usually into Funny or Die stuff, but this is hilarious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4VZcQU55CM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPcZz0skcTw

also, i hung out with Lil B a few months ago when he played in my neighborhood (literally— he played at this old theatre a few blocks from me in the Lower Bottoms area of Oakland), and he really is a sweetheart. he's paranoid as fuck, but definitely a standup motherfucker.

that was such a weird show!!!

Been thinking about a poll based on which rapper comes out first. Based God v. 'Ye v. Lil Fame v. Freddie Foxx v. Chamillionaire v. Sauce Money v. Other

this was one of the first ILM threads i remember, i think i first read it when it got bumped in 2006 for the NYT story on Caushun

just checked his wiki and woah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caushun

hey tabes if you're still peepin this thread i sent u a webmail

hey hoos, got it, i'll email ya when i'm not too stoned to furbish a propz response

rad

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/05/15/051511-arts-music-rap-homophobia-1-4/

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ur computer is broken

ipad

ipad

lol

thedaily.com just punishing me for not dling their app

No mention of Nicki Minaj? She seems pretty important to that narrative.

haven't seen her mentioned in many of these pieces, i'm getting the vague impression that hip-hop writers would rather put her into the pop box and not acknowledge that she might be important to rap

i think it's because despite what she says she portrays herself as 100% straight therefore ppl forget that she claims to be bi

i think her importance isn't whatever her sexuality is, it's about the audience she actively courts and welcomes into hip-hop

young girls?

that too actually

i think her importance isn't whatever her sexuality is, it's about the audience she actively courts and welcomes into hip-hop

― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Sunday, May 15, 2011 12:53 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah

you still see dinosaurs out there who try to argue that hip-hop is innately a masculine, male space, and to defend it as such, so to have a rapper specifically pull gay men and girly girls (ie not just eye candy or "one of the boys") into it seems pretty important

otm

it's pretty much the opposite of odd future's rejection of anyone who isn't a (specific type of) teenage boy

i think it's because despite what she says she portrays herself as 100% straight therefore ppl forget that she claims to be bi

― J0rdan S., Sunday, May 15, 2011 3:52 PM (1 hour ago)

she has multiple verses on hit songs about taking girls home or having a ménage with a male collaborator plus a chick etc. though

also she's pretty openly a kink fest.

she has multiple verses on hit songs about taking girls home or having a ménage with a male collaborator plus a chick etc. though

― suggest ban the subbest man (some dude), Sunday, May 15, 2011 5:00 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah but all this does is cement the (straight male) notion that (hot) girls want to mess around w/ each other when she has tons of songs & videos centered around 100% hetero relationships

thought the same thing initially, but the kind of outreach lex was praising isn't necessarily a contest to be the most straight-male-unfriendly. "it's about the audience she actively courts and welcomes into hip-hop."

i'm not arguing lex's point

yeah but all this does is cement the (straight male) notion that (hot) girls want to mess around w/ each other when she has tons of songs & videos centered around 100% hetero relationships

― J0rdan S., Sunday, May 15, 2011 5:07 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

that just sounds like a catch 22 where no matter what she says, you're going to say it plays into what straight people believe or want to believe about bisexuals (or whether they exist etc.). i mean she raps to a chick in the "Lil Freak" video the same way she raps to guys in her other videos.

not that i'm saying she needs to be hailed as a groundbreaker or anything, but it seems like you're just downplaying any small ways she inarguably has broken out of typical female rapper gender roles/sexuality

i'm not arguing lex's point

okay, saw his argument as the hinge around which this was revolving. like, she's relevant to this discussion because...

you still see dinosaurs out there who try to argue that hip-hop is innately a masculine, male space, and to defend it as such, so to have a rapper specifically pull gay men and girly girls (ie not just eye candy or "one of the boys") into it seems pretty important

Missy was the pioneer for this

in my world lots of girly girls loved Missy.

lots of girly girls love macho man rap too though

I can't make out a word of this shit, but it is amazing.

http://soundcloud.com/le1f/omega

Apparently, he's queer, from New York, and some of his shit (not this track) is produced by Nguzunguzu.

^ amazing is the word. love the seasick worz of beats, like crazy wisdom masters or something. the other self-produced track, "☥ + ☥", is kinda cool, too, but nowhere near as mind-blowing. nguzunguzu & boody b tracks are sick, though. fuckin love this guy.

Loving this.

I guess kreayshawn belongs in here? "gucci gucci" vid contains hints about her orientation that get explicit in some of her other vids.

or does it not count if she hangs w/ OF dudes

His twitter is amazing, also.

http://twitter.com/#!/l31f

"Why couldn't I have been born as Amerie? Not fair"
"if it's about cooking, why isn't it baste god?"
"if i had a pussy i would take it out and clit on em"

he's also producing some tracks on the new spank rock

xp http://www.afterellen.com/people/kreayshawn-is-not-a-raging-lesbian-is-an-occasional-lesbian

I like "☥ + ☥"'s Gyptian flip.

wow, totally missed that the fist time through!

those tracks with the symbols for titles aren't gelling for me but i'm really feeling the other stuff

freudian slip

xp

well yeah, i had other things on my mind

(lol)

L31F Le1f
i'm a top unless he puts on swv.

tweet of the year imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8ZeYslcGNg&feature=player_embedded

Btw this tumblr is grrrrrrrrreeaat (also where I discovered L1ef from): http://roughdiamondmtl.tumblr.com/

Katey herself is terrible as a rapper, but everything else about that tracks and video is fantastic

It's bounce music, it ain't goddamn Rakim.

Yeah she's on treme I think

Yeah. Rough Diamond are awesome. Glad we have them. Need to find out who they are IRL.

i was interviewed briefly for this radio programme that's on 1xtra tonight (9pm british time, which is in three hours) if anyone fancies tuning in: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b012kllk

No Homo: Hip Hop's Last Taboo

Today, 21:00 on BBC 1Xtra

Hip Hop is constantly evolving. Eminem made it possible to be a credible white rapper, Kanye achieved global success despite his privileged background and Nicki Minaj has played on her sexuality to become one of hip hop's biggest stars. But there's still one boundary the genre is struggling to cross. Where are the gay rappers?

Georgia Lewis-Anderson attempts to uncover the truth, following openly gay spoken-word poet Dean Atta as he takes the first steps to becoming an accepted and respected player on the UK hip hop scene, heading into the studio, performing live and getting that all important first play on national radio.

But are fans ready for an openly gay rapper? And will the industry support him?

Georgia also speaks with Plan B, Example, Estelle, Bashy, Mark Ronson and industry insiders from the UK and US to find out why the prospect of there being a gay rapper is such a taboo.

i like that you got the last word! 'go hard; be good'

pity the dean atta track sounded kind of... dull.

L31F Le1f
i'm not getting gay married until i find a twink that likes soulja boy.
8 Jul

L31F Le1f
i want pointe shoes that are also guns.
28 Jun

what's the status on ab soto. combo quirky street fashion / comedy / rap, cazwellish like from most of what i've heard it's generally too much (or too bad) (because i hate fun) but then i can't hate on for example this. kid's having fun and not the worst beat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvGVvGa4cBw

oh, so this is what alfred does in his spare time?

did l31f delete his twitter acct?

http://twitter.com/#!/LE1FNY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90V7p0wh5nY

this been posted? pretty stupid to think that gays are the only ones spreading hiv/aids

can't watch that right now but yeah, duh, that's a long-ago debunked talking point wrt hiv transmission

haha yeah i was with him till then

well actually i was with him till he added the red star to his face tat

Better than butterfly face tat imo

there's no such thing as a "good" face tat

oh, so this is what alfred does in his spare time?

not only do I get down, I wash dishes.

haha, i was afraid that was a zing in the woods.

recently a guy i know's been at the center of a 'gay rapper' controversy -- basically he's been on the local battle rap circuit for a few years, has a slight lisp and has been dressing more loud/hipsterish lately, decided to respond to gay rumors by spitting some o_O innuendo at a battle to throw an opponent off his game. then when video of the battle got online, it ended up all over worldstarhiphop, thisis50 as 'the gay battle rapper'. he says he's straight so i dunno how he's dealing with all this but it's pretty nuts.

― it ain't hard to tell, I'm a viking, then prevail (some dude), Wednesday, April 28, 2010 4:48 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark

http://citypaper.com/bob/artsentertainment/best-coming-out-1.1205783

Awesome.

he's a really good guy and a really talented dude, i hadn't even heard about that until just now reading that link so i'm just happy for him

sny recommendations of tracks/mixtapes?

molding his hard-edged rhymes into an inexplicable roughneck hip-hop-meets-house-diva intensity

this sounds like what i want

is this is also the dark gay dancehall thread http://generationbass.com/2011/10/24/gb-exclusive-blk-adonis-rizzla-pnp-ep/

not rap, but this new le1f track is amazing (badu sample!)

http://soundcloud.com/le1f/boody-le1f-born-underwater

also I should post some DDm in here cause his shit is dope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymeIMeQm0Vw&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVqBhbY0bVw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIQ3Hg6XJXs&feature=related

lil b can hang his shit up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdaPDftAdMc

thumbs up

lol @ the idea of a gay mafia running rap. that would be kind of fabulous

i didn't want it to make sense but really he seemed to be talking more about the promo/showbiz angle as being on lockdown by our gay overlords which really isn't toooo overblown

not the first time I've heard that proferred... I dunno, it's not really inaccurate (gay people in the entertainment industry?! you don't say) as long as it's not couched in weird conspiracy theory terms

lol @ "if you're gay, rep your set"

one of my friends works with this guy "loco ninja", he's someone up in the fashion crowd so i had pause but this is alright

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH9vY72YtuY

kind of lol but mostly sad at carefully gender-neutral lyrics. always <3 lumidee tho.

unfortunately someone once referred to her as a "human muppet" and i'll never get that out of my head even though i guess it applies less during the GROWN N SEXY phase

i don't even get that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo4Sqt2Bmag&feature=related

there's a free ep with some crazy good remixes btw http://hulkshare.com/i7pdydyrlldr

that video's amazing

a j-wow remix too niceeee. still not over a buraka som sistema show from weeks back

waooooow.....

that video's amazing

― fauxmarc, Monday, January 23, 2012 7:57 AM Bookmark

Really tho! I feel so slayed. Too bad I think we're the only two who read this thread anymore.

song + video both awesome

http://soundcloud.com/cakesdakilla/whistle-beat-it-up

song + video both awesome

That Zebra Katz track is sublime and a little chilling

total maya deren vibe to the video. great track although she's quite a bit bitter than he is.

i feel like that video and song are both the type of thing i usually hate/roll my eyes at but they're both awesome

"ima read" is slaying me <3

I read the thread, Rev! I just usually have heard/seen/spoken about this stuff with u/other folk over on Tumblr by the time I do.

Ima Read is awesome.

i also read this thread

ima read is dope

yeah i def lurk here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga6pkoomSVg

lol

btw the song brainwasher linked to is awesome

freedia did kimmel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ptXcud3cjY

man it's kinda tripping me out that straight-up n.o. bounce is getting this kind of shine in 2012

http://soundcloud.com/le1f/gomorrah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d1OVYM2Ec0

Not explicitly gay but not the straightest thing either. Video is banned from Korean TV supposedly because the song title is a slang phrase. Diplo did the beat.

i don't know if a lot got lost in translation or if that was intended to come off as completely bizarre as it did. i'm guessing somewhere in between.

It's a very literal translation, so it reads weirder than it is. But the song is also very weird because it is a brag rap song but the stuff they are bragging about is weird! Like TOP's "my eyelashes are natural not the result of disgusting heavy makeup" thing, which if you think about it means he is comparing himself either to makeup-wearing guys or to (hot?) girls. Or GD's stuff about stage presence and charisma followed up by BUT AT NIGHT, I'M SO LONELY.

Also, the fact that it's not super straight but overcompensates with tons of playboy bunny girls, lol.

In context it's slightly less weird, because all the stuff they are bragging about is actually stuff that really did make them super duper famous in Korea, as part of the mainstream idol group BigBang (whose touchstones are "being crazy", a confidence/insecurity divide, depression/bipolar disorder, and gay/transgender subtext). But it's still really weird to see that stuff in a hip hop song, and the styling is also, pretty bizarre.

that big freedia performance is awesome

pretty dope on kimmel's ppl's part

it's really easy to hear that "knock out" chorus as "i just broke a guy off"

beat reminds me of "sportscenter" off 'dedication 2'

i love this

ha, didn't realize this was a year old :-(

i like how they have to add "gum" to the end of "this ain't double bubble"

double bubble totally a rip of PERCOLATOR