It's mostly dead until the American posters wake up and even then hardly any action on threads. I know most people use SNA and have a lot of ilxors just turned off ILM on there? If that is the case a mod should move this to ILE so people can answer.
Hardly any movement on ILM since last night yet ILE is as busy as ever.
Is there anyway to show unique users to ILM rather than all of ilx? 62 active users just now but I doubt they are all reading ILM.
http://i.imgur.com/YMHMeSd.png
Also why is ILM so quiet?
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 14:42 (eight years ago) link
quiet compared to when? a few months ago? this time last year? i imagine a lot less people are sitting in front of a computer refreshing ILX whenever they're bored in July than in February.
― some dude, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 14:46 (eight years ago) link
culture (politics) beyond music is much more interesting than music at the moment maybe?
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 14:56 (eight years ago) link
maybe ILM needs Chris Ott to save it?http://noisey.vice.com/en_uk/blog/where-have-all-the-music-messageboards-gone
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 15:00 (eight years ago) link
Sorry to come over all Tuomas, but what is SNA?
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 15:01 (eight years ago) link
Site New Answers
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 15:01 (eight years ago) link
I realized that a millisecond after posting.
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 15:02 (eight years ago) link
be the change
― j., Wednesday, 8 July 2015 15:03 (eight years ago) link
I don't use it either Tom I keep ile and ilm tabs open but I do think some may have set it to not show ILM.
Theres hardly any polls too so that cant be blamed by poll haters. There's far far less than there used to be.
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 15:05 (eight years ago) link
the world has changed and we have all become metal men
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 15:06 (eight years ago) link
I guess facebook could be one reason but then why is ILE as busy as ever? Do posters still think ILM is unfriendly or has music/music discussion become boring as ilxors got older?
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 15:08 (eight years ago) link
balkanisation.
― cod latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 15:13 (eight years ago) link
Cosmic Slop, why don't you listen to current ILM buzz-band Years & Years and post your thoughts in their dedicated thread? They're getting a lot of love!
― rahrah avis (imago), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 15:17 (eight years ago) link
we're giving ILM the silent treatment
and if you can't figure out WHY, then i'm certainly not going to explain it to you!
― 1992 ball boy (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 15:17 (eight years ago) link
i think it's time for me to repost the unicorn song no one cared about last night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBbmOHU2MoQ
maybe music piracy's downgraded the prestige of music in general thus dampening meta-discussion about music? maybe "music" is a greek word and greece itself is feeling unloved these days? maybe it's time to start collecting cars?
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 15:20 (eight years ago) link
Cosmic Slop, according to your screencap, you've only clicked on ONE of those threads. So like, why aren't you participating in ILM?
― how's life, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 15:21 (eight years ago) link
I don't have much to say about anything released in the last five years or so, but if there's a thread for 'floating below the 40' Billboard singles from 1985, bump that shit.
― Turn That Pout Inside Out! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 15:41 (eight years ago) link
or I have read them and they havent been updated, you choose
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 15:48 (eight years ago) link
Whoops! I never look at the dots. Sorry.
― how's life, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 16:31 (eight years ago) link
music sucks, no more conversation needed
― too young for seapunk (Moodles), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 16:36 (eight years ago) link
IT KNOWS WHAT IT DID
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 16:57 (eight years ago) link
did someone say something
― for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 17:33 (eight years ago) link
tumbleweeds blow....
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 19:30 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvUL_Xi_UqE
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 19:34 (eight years ago) link
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Wednesday, July 8, 2015 3:01 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
That is super easy to mis-read...
― from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 19:36 (eight years ago) link
c on T
― j., Wednesday, 8 July 2015 19:37 (eight years ago) link
I never knew what SNA was! I was thinking it was another one of those shadow boards.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link
sooooone1 notice how all of today's top singles are dance, urban, and/or teen bop?
is this because america is shit?
― The Once-ler, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 19:47 (eight years ago) link
also I remember when everything sounded more white. even the hip-hop
― The Once-ler, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 19:48 (eight years ago) link
after the last round of john v. paul, ilm's credit rating was downgraded and austerity is in force :(
― e-bouquet (mattresslessness), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 19:49 (eight years ago) link
also something about mexicans not having diverse music taste
― The Once-ler, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 19:51 (eight years ago) link
I think my continued attempts to keep the Classical Music You Buy From Boomkat thread going are scaring people away. Sorry.
― djh, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 20:11 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTd54695IrM
― feargal czukay (NickB), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 20:17 (eight years ago) link
^Went looking in vain for the Like button on that post
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 20:19 (eight years ago) link
You couldnt hear our metallica party? :( - pplains cranked the volume way up hoping for noise complaints
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 20:21 (eight years ago) link
i'm on a facebook music group during the day. i like it better than here now. a lot of my real world friends are on it and a lot of my ilx friends too. i mostly look at ilx out of habit.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 21:48 (eight years ago) link
now playing or another one?
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 21:50 (eight years ago) link
yeah, now playing. that's my spot. i need my daily dose of andy zax. who doesn't?
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 23:06 (eight years ago) link
ile is absolutely not as busy as ever, its nothing like as busy as ever
ilm was a bad idea and I'm.surprised it lasted this long
"see this music? it's shit""no its good""sound"
― irl lol (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 July 2015 00:25 (eight years ago) link
I started reading ILM when it was only ILM around here. You would have hated it.
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Thursday, 9 July 2015 00:31 (eight years ago) link
d otm, there's no accounting for taste
― the late great, Thursday, 9 July 2015 00:32 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, polling usually does the opposite of accounting for taste
― The Once-ler, Thursday, 9 July 2015 00:34 (eight years ago) link
maybe we need a new scapegoat, a la 1977 and prog rock?
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 9 July 2015 00:43 (eight years ago) link
only thing that might save ilm now is if ppl agree to stop talking about music
also, the music critic thing? not a job. ignore them.
― irl lol (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 July 2015 00:50 (eight years ago) link
There is definitely a lack of posting in the UK morning which suggests not many brits/euros are on ilm now.
I think the lex mentioned once he doesnt even bother with ilx til the americans are awake as its so dead
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Thursday, 9 July 2015 00:51 (eight years ago) link
music critics used to make lots of big posts here.. Now it feels they save that for the dayjob. Which is a loss to ilm
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Thursday, 9 July 2015 00:52 (eight years ago) link
dyou know what would be good
― irl lol (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 July 2015 00:53 (eight years ago) link
I had thought this too (and the ad money is no longer anything like covering the hosting bill) so tonight I went over all the data I have. Compared to 2013-2014, in the past year we are down average 18% on page views, 27% on active users. People are spending exactly the same amount of time on the site when they do visit, though.
I think a couple of big Google changes have affected us:- The change that downranked forums. This is the one that nearly killed Metafilter. http://www.fastcompany.com/3030848/what-google-search-algorithm-changes-do-to-the-internet
- A more recent change to penalise sites that aren't mobile-friendly.
Can't do anything about the first one, don't really want to do anything about the second but may have to. I also don't think that's the whole story either.
― stet, Thursday, 9 July 2015 00:54 (eight years ago) link
interesting info, thks
feels a lot quieter than even that drop tho
― irl lol (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 July 2015 00:55 (eight years ago) link
stet is there any way to differentiate how many active users are on ile & ilm instead of the sitewide one?
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Thursday, 9 July 2015 00:55 (eight years ago) link
individually counting the bearable ones
― irl lol (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 July 2015 00:56 (eight years ago) link
dyou know what would be good― irl lol (darraghmac),
― irl lol (darraghmac),
does it include suggest bans?
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Thursday, 9 July 2015 00:57 (eight years ago) link
Also, there is no change in the geographic distribution of users: 20% are from the UK, and that number has been the same since 2012.
xp not trivially, but I'll try some log analysis
― stet, Thursday, 9 July 2015 00:57 (eight years ago) link
I said users, I should have said "site visitors"
xp I thought better of it tbh
― irl lol (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 July 2015 01:03 (eight years ago) link
i post a bit less and it's totally because twitter has kind of become where i have a lot of the conversations i would've had here in the past, i imagine that's true for a fair # of people here. still love it here and think that the pace of things around here is a little more agreeable now than they were maybe a couple years ago when it just kinda felt like a daily rotation of clusterfuck threads dominating SNA.
― some dude, Thursday, 9 July 2015 01:07 (eight years ago) link
come man that's no attitude
― irl lol (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 July 2015 01:10 (eight years ago) link
SHOTS FIRED
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 9 July 2015 01:11 (eight years ago) link
too few polls obvs
― mookieproof, Thursday, 9 July 2015 01:15 (eight years ago) link
shots fired at a couple years ago? i'm trying to think if anybody noteworthy was posting then that isn't now, honestly don't know.
― some dude, Thursday, 9 July 2015 01:15 (eight years ago) link
ilm is 'quiet' because even our young kids are pushing 30 and we've had all the conversations dozens of times and maybe our feelings abt music are slightly less fraught and there are other outlets and kids and etc etc
but mainly because there are few new posters. tbh it's astonishing that things have been somewhat vital for so long
― mookieproof, Thursday, 9 July 2015 01:23 (eight years ago) link
shots fired at a couple years ago?
Nah, I was just goofing at darragh
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 9 July 2015 01:25 (eight years ago) link
I still find plenty to talk about on ilm by digging up posts from the archives, but I'm not terribly in sync with a lot of the new music that gets people hyped on here (and even when I am, I end up liking the songs from albums that other people don't so much). This has been the case for years, though, so I don't see it as a sudden shift.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 9 July 2015 01:27 (eight years ago) link
I'm gunning 4u now watch ur back
― irl lol (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 July 2015 01:27 (eight years ago) link
This is a sad thread
― calstars, Thursday, 9 July 2015 01:28 (eight years ago) link
oh shit
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 9 July 2015 01:28 (eight years ago) link
Less people are excited by modern music. Social media can be used to transmit shitty opinions about albums much more efficiently. Take your pick.
― Cousin Slappy, Thursday, 9 July 2015 01:48 (eight years ago) link
when you've lost cousin slappy, you've lost the nation
― mookieproof, Saturday, 24 November 2012 22:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
― bentelec, Thursday, 9 July 2015 01:51 (eight years ago) link
i was otm
― mookieproof, Thursday, 9 July 2015 01:54 (eight years ago) link
Anyway, yeah, bummer thread. Have been trying to force myself to delurk and actually contribute something to a place that has meant a lot to me for the past 5 years; I don't want it to wither away now. I especially don't want it to wither away through being outcompeted by the megaplatforms (though obviously I can't begrudge anyone not wanting to hoe the same row indefinitely). I especially don't want it to wither away before the Stereolab poll finally happens!
― bentelec, Thursday, 9 July 2015 02:04 (eight years ago) link
this also seems really otm.
― the late great, Thursday, 9 July 2015 02:06 (eight years ago) link
I've been here since senior year in high school and am now turning 32 this year. It's been interesting watching all of you age out of this thing that you do/once did. I'm in it til the bitter, bitter end though.
― Cousin Slappy, Thursday, 9 July 2015 02:40 (eight years ago) link
It's because twitter is better than ilx.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 9 July 2015 02:50 (eight years ago) link
I was afraid of that. I liked twitter for a couple years, and then I didn't anymore. Don't want to go back.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 9 July 2015 02:50 (eight years ago) link
classic rock poll last year was so much fun, wish we could do it again and again
― brimstead, Thursday, 9 July 2015 04:20 (eight years ago) link
it definitely felt like the peak of my ilx career!
― some dude, Thursday, 9 July 2015 04:36 (eight years ago) link
i think that ACTUAL valuable new posters are coming in and will continue coming in, although it takes a while sometimes to see who's gonna stick around, and which Raccoon Tanuki's are worth trolling back until they go away
― some dude, Thursday, 9 July 2015 04:37 (eight years ago) link
pls don't all go to 77 and/or facebook, I'm not on either and don't want to leave - even though I'm not that active or vital here, it still feels like home somehow
― StanM, Thursday, 9 July 2015 05:59 (eight years ago) link
god, how awful
― brimstead, Thursday, 9 July 2015 06:19 (eight years ago) link
1) get on facebook because it's what people do2) 77 is just private idiot repository board
― brimstead, Thursday, 9 July 2015 06:22 (eight years ago) link
You fucking wish
― a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten), Thursday, 9 July 2015 06:36 (eight years ago) link
that was not a qualitative opinion, it's all good!!
― brimstead, Thursday, 9 July 2015 06:38 (eight years ago) link
fucking
― brimstead, Thursday, 9 July 2015 06:39 (eight years ago) link
the minimal text groove of ILM is work friendly - FB is not.hence i still hang around here.i posted about that messageboard article on an ilm thread : very little reaction.ned posted on his facebook page - loads of chat/responses.the FB 'Present Listening' group that i have recently signed up to gets lots of reaction to posts etc.and as westworld once declared 'i wanna go to where the action is .. '
― mark e, Thursday, 9 July 2015 08:25 (eight years ago) link
I don't want to be on Facebook (and can't figure out how to read Twitter, layout never made sense to me) so I'm sad to see a lot of music forums "moving" to fb, don't see this happening to ILM anytime soon though.
Something that's cool about ILM is that its structure is a lot more open and transparent than Facebook's, and even if at some point it's abandoned it will always be a great, searchable archive of zeitgeisty discussion.
― niels, Thursday, 9 July 2015 09:09 (eight years ago) link
xp yeah the best part of ILM is that it's text-based and minimal and people use handles rather than real names and i don't have my IRL friends all over it.
― cod latin (dog latin), Thursday, 9 July 2015 09:52 (eight years ago) link
While I'm sad at the lower activity here nowadays, I think it's most likely a result of the Google search rankings and not a cultural shift away from taking music seriously amongst teens & twenty-somethings... just look at the activity on https://www.reddit.com/r/letstalkmusic ... mostly kids but that's part of its charm.
― Adam J Duncan, Thursday, 9 July 2015 09:54 (eight years ago) link
No list threads
I despair of the youth of today
― soref, Thursday, 9 July 2015 10:06 (eight years ago) link
One important reason why twitter is better than ilx is that it's a lot easier to have conversations with people other than white dudes. ;)
― The Reverend, Thursday, 9 July 2015 11:29 (eight years ago) link
i have trouble having conversations with anyone on Twitter. Only ever use it as a promotional tool really. I like Facebook's recent multi-threaded approach now, even if it is still a bit glitchy.
― cod latin (dog latin), Thursday, 9 July 2015 11:33 (eight years ago) link
I don't use it either Tom I keep ile and ilm tabs open
I do use SNA, just didn't know SNA was called SNA.
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 July 2015 11:43 (eight years ago) link
I'd like to see more threads dedicated to individual records. The rolling threads served a purpose back when ILM was at its busiest and the genre-specific threads are great for checking out, for example, the latest afrobeats or trap tunes, but there's rarely that much in the way of discussion and when there is, it's generally the same four or five posters doing an inside-baseball thing.
― cod latin (dog latin), Thursday, 9 July 2015 11:49 (eight years ago) link
This. It's from a more innocent and exciting era of the web.
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 9 July 2015 11:53 (eight years ago) link
it will always be a great, searchable archive of zeitgeisty discussion.
this is totally spot on.i spend hours digging around catching up re old bands i missed out on at the time.
― mark e, Thursday, 9 July 2015 12:20 (eight years ago) link
I like Facebook's recent multi-threaded approach now
flag latin
― the story of ilm: an ottyssey (wins), Thursday, 9 July 2015 12:42 (eight years ago) link
I like Facebook's recent multi-threaded approach now, even if it is still a bit glitchy.
oh god no
(and fuuuuuuuuuuuck fuck fukc fuck f u c k twitter's even worse take on this. so hard to follow a thread now.)
― The Reverend, Thursday, 9 July 2015 13:22 (eight years ago) link
anyone who likes multi-threading should be banned from ilx
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 9 July 2015 13:30 (eight years ago) link
I would like to see more posts where people boast about obscure music they love and try to win others over. Preferably in topics not dedicated to sed obscure music.
― The Once-ler, Thursday, 9 July 2015 13:32 (eight years ago) link
Maybe we could have obscure music by genre threads or if said genre is already obscure then more active threads dedicated to that particular genre/style that can include less obscure music
― The Once-ler, Thursday, 9 July 2015 13:36 (eight years ago) link
the minimal text groove of ILM is work friendly - FB is not.hence i still hang around here.
Totally this. I'm able to ILX at work because it's totally inconspicuous. Plus I absolutely loathe Facebook and I haven't used it or Twitter in a couple of years (outing myself as an old).
― Turn That Pout Inside Out! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 9 July 2015 13:48 (eight years ago) link
Maybe we could have obscure music by genre threads---― The Once-ler
We have plenty of them already.
Rolling Afro-Latin Music 2015 and onward: Salsa, Bomba, Merengue,Reggaeton, Bachata, Latin-Jazz and more
Chitlin Circuit Double-entendre -filled Soul 2004 (and onward) Theodis Ealey's "Stand Up In It" is a song of the year
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 9 July 2015 15:32 (eight years ago) link
why would we have our discussions facilitated by some fly by night web megacorp when we have our own sweet DIY platform right here? greenspun forever aeon flux forever
― adam, Thursday, 9 July 2015 15:46 (eight years ago) link
I miss threads for new artists. Used to check new answers and after seeing an unfamiliar name enough times I'd say "oh maybe I should check out this dizzee rascal guy." Whereas now someone would've just posted I luv u to the rolling uk carpark thread or whatever.
I mean I get the desire to discuss artists in context or just the friction of starting a new thread.
― the most painstaking, humorless people in the world (lukas), Thursday, 9 July 2015 16:08 (eight years ago) link
eh rolling threads are kinda meat grinders
― j., Thursday, 9 July 2015 16:12 (eight years ago) link
okay, how about we have one thread where we discuss our favorite finds and old flames? I feel like no one notices when I bump a thread for 'obscure band ____'
― The Once-ler, Thursday, 9 July 2015 16:20 (eight years ago) link
i think people probably notice but if they're not interested there's not much you can do!
― This is for my new ringpiece, so please only serious answers (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 July 2015 16:25 (eight years ago) link
i like to bump clarke's metal faves thread for that but it always takes me like 10 minutes to find the damn thing so i tend to just let it go
― j., Thursday, 9 July 2015 16:29 (eight years ago) link
way i read this you're agreeing with me? rolling threads mean that the new answers page isn't a useful guide to anything except which scenes people are following.
― the most painstaking, humorless people in the world (lukas), Thursday, 9 July 2015 16:31 (eight years ago) link
^ This. I mean Louis has been trying to get us all to listen to the Cardiacs for about 8 years to little or no avail.
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 July 2015 16:32 (eight years ago) link
do you guys like Haves & Thirds? i love this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BHC3YrXUuU
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 July 2015 16:33 (eight years ago) link
haha.indeed.i did check some of the bands out as per nudged on that thread, but, nah, not for me .. i am in two minds re the rolling threads.on one side, they can provide a great quick dive into a particular scene/sound, but on the other, if you are not invested and up to speed with the detail, then the thread becomes a bit of a closed shop and can end up being too intimidating for genre scum surfers like me.
― mark e, Thursday, 9 July 2015 16:40 (eight years ago) link
i tried to watch a couple of cardiacs videos because of him. didn't get far.
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 July 2015 16:41 (eight years ago) link
I remember someone liking the Cardiacs but maybe it was the art bearswhat's her face
― The Once-ler, Thursday, 9 July 2015 16:43 (eight years ago) link
The minimalist and anonymous thing is a big draw but then again I started with Usenet and BBSses.
― Siegbran, Thursday, 9 July 2015 16:45 (eight years ago) link
ILX has 88 threads about dizzee rascal
― the story of ilm: an ottyssey (wins), Thursday, 9 July 2015 16:47 (eight years ago) link
yes; i was just adding that the 'context' provided by a rolling thread seems pretty minimal/notional.
― j., Thursday, 9 July 2015 16:56 (eight years ago) link
I mean
but there's rarely that much in the way of discussion and when there is, it's generally the same four or five posters doing an inside-baseball thing.
what other form would discussion take on a genre thread
― the story of ilm: an ottyssey (wins), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:01 (eight years ago) link
I like the Cardiacs fwiw
― Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:02 (eight years ago) link
I like art bears
― the story of ilm: an ottyssey (wins), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:03 (eight years ago) link
i like big butts
― This is for my new ringpiece, so please only serious answers (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:04 (eight years ago) link
Best prog band of all time imo
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link
It's not impossible to imagine that ILM will outlive Facebook.
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link
Facebook is just such a miserable experience
And no fucking way is Twitter better than ilx. Everything on there washes away so quickly, there's no way you can get a substantial exchange going unless you're riding the app all day long. Everything just disappears.
This is the only place/app/whatever that doesn't make me want to kill myself
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:12 (eight years ago) link
^^ otm
i have tried asking questions periodically, but i think a lot of the conversation that used to keep ilm (specifically) alive was fueled by discovery and people learning about stuff from people who had more expertise. i don't enjoy personality-driven sniping or argument wrt music honestly, mostly i have used ilm to ask questions and to discover new stuff. also, it afforded people like me the chance to talk about music with only words to identify me. i never would have attempted to do any number of things if it weren't for the freedom of being text on a page. i hope this isn't a death knell (but even if it is, i can't say i'd walk away empty handed)
― La Lechera, Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:13 (eight years ago) link
I've only got one thing to say, Can we be shown weirdos + Mike Love?
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:15 (eight years ago) link
Usually music news these days is super depressing. Like I just read something that makes me want to crawl back in bed.
Also maybe think-piecing things to death has had an effect on discussions. Music/video drops and you've heard it and read an article/headline about it and by the time you get into a ILM thread there's all this meta baggage it's already been discussed to death and Twittered about and everyone has probably read slightly different takes on it and now you are dealing with all of these invisible browser histories that you have no idea of.
This leads sometimes to threads where people are arguing against arguments that don't exist on the threads themselves but on external websites. Which is fine and good but kind of confusing.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:16 (eight years ago) link
It's a small issue but one thing I've always liked about ILM is if you make a misstep, you don't get an instantaneous beat down from some gatekeeper hard man, more snark or gentle steering in the right direction unlike some more specific forums on or off FB where hair trigger peeps go from zero to apoplectic in one exchange.
― MaresNest, Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:21 (eight years ago) link
Damn. I'm not sure I've ever had that experience.
But I think ILM has mellowed a bit (aging? music taste isn't so identity defining?), still loads of snark and sarcasm of course.
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:25 (eight years ago) link
still loads of snark and sarcasm of course.
which apparently scared a lot of posters away
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:27 (eight years ago) link
I don't see much of that on ILM tbh.
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:27 (eight years ago) link
There's a lot of snark but very little actual RAGE, which I occasionally see on other boards.
― MaresNest, Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:28 (eight years ago) link
Snark gets boring really quickly though.
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:29 (eight years ago) link
But, you know, first there was Zing now there is Snark, plus ca change.
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:30 (eight years ago) link
i have tried asking questions periodically, but i think a lot of the conversation that used to keep ilm (specifically) alive was fueled by discovery and people learning about stuff from people who had more expertise.
i think the lack of zero-cost instant universal availability also meant that ppl constantly had to rely on finding productive/attractive ways to convey that expertise to others w/ analogical reasoning, comparisons, descriptions, convincing personal representations, etc. - as an investment in discovery
all that can take place in full view of the actual artifacts, and after the fact rather than before everyone has had a chance to experience them, but there's a kind of natural indolence that comes out when you can just hear something for yourself and nothing much rides on whether you can articulate its significance or quality in anything other than private terms
there's a related dimension too, that opinions are connected to ppl and once the internet is glutted w ppl and their opinions, there's a real disinclination to find out more about anyone via their opinions (like, the difference between being 20 in 1999 and finding out, like, 'omg there's all kinds of super music fans on the internet!!!!' and being in your 30s in 2010 and being like 'ugh, more super music fans on the internet')
― j., Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:30 (eight years ago) link
scared away, bored away, i don't really care
there#s been some serious bad behaviour occasionally over the years but it's easy to skip it on ILM in particular and god knows u have to have some kind of deterrent for challopians, blowhards and other spoilers of joy
― This is for my new ringpiece, so please only serious answers (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:30 (eight years ago) link
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Thursday, July 9, 2015 6:30 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
almost as if it was just an intrinsic part of human communication
― the story of ilm: an ottyssey (wins), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:32 (eight years ago) link
Some posters were banned too, right? R@cc00n is the most recent one that comes to mind.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:34 (eight years ago) link
at least deems will be pleased bans are back then
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:35 (eight years ago) link
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/plum-juice-glass-realistic-full-drink-cocktail-straw-isolated-white-background-vector-illustration-41601780.jpg
― j., Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:36 (eight years ago) link
Well, maybe, it's sometimes pretty forced and some people just don't have the Zing/Snark chops but feel as if they have to join in when they should leave it to the experts.
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:37 (eight years ago) link
I'm rambling now, I'm going home.
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:40 (eight years ago) link
Your mums an expert
― MaresNest, Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:40 (eight years ago) link
there used to be better handwringing on ilm too. step it up, you guys!
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:47 (eight years ago) link
― some dude, Thursday, July 9, 2015 12:37 AM (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
as a relatively new poster (started in 2013), it is extremely hard to understand the culture of ilxor, took me a while to understand a few things and i still feel outside the circle at times. you need to invest time, and none of my friends my age really care about discussing music on a message board (they will do it on twitter, facebook, etc).
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:48 (eight years ago) link
OK tom I'm not sure I buy that, quite aside from the fact that you employ the zing/snark register as often (and as well) as any given poster I don't think I agree that it's that dominant around here really, even if I cared about these putative swooning consumptives "scared off" by internet zingers. Maybe I've missed the really vicious stuff tho
― the story of ilm: an ottyssey (wins), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:51 (eight years ago) link
some of us still wade in and call something that half the music board really likes shit, which always goes well
― The Bends by Radiohead (imago), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:51 (eight years ago) link
im revisiting art bears now because of my subunconscious spitting out that name upthread. this sounds more like art-rock than prog-rock (their 1981 album at least). that's not a bad thing
― The Once-ler, Thursday, 9 July 2015 18:00 (eight years ago) link
I want art-rock / art-pop thread revivals
― The Once-ler, Thursday, 9 July 2015 18:01 (eight years ago) link
and i still feel outside the circle at times
i've been here over 10 years, and this feeling never leaves.
there is a cracking 'hello ilm' thread somewhere that used to be pretty snarky, but recently has been a genuinely warm welcome for newcomers.
if only there was a 'sticky' thread option.
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― mark e, Thursday, 9 July 2015 18:05 (eight years ago) link
― MaresNest, Thursday, July 9, 2015 1:21 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This is absolutely key.
1. There are actually community mores here which people are interested/invested in enforcing, but
2. the enforcement happens in such a (for the internet) civilized way
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 9 July 2015 18:48 (eight years ago) link
^^^^ in regards to both ilm and ile
― The Reverend, Thursday, July 9, 2015 7:29 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This is my major problem with ILX (as a white dude), and I don't know how to address it. Gatekeeping for the purpose of a better discussion is without a doubt part of what makes this place what it is but I think that in practice it shades hard into the everyday forms of exclusion all of the overly-white-duded institutions practice. As much as they are blocked or subverted in practice, there are at least known levers for making communities and institutions more inclusive - how can you encourage that to happen in a message board?
― bentelec, Thursday, 9 July 2015 23:55 (eight years ago) link
By paying attention to ppl who aren't white dudes?
― La Lechera, Thursday, 9 July 2015 23:59 (eight years ago) link
As a white dude I'm not feeling 'the everyday forms of exclusion', you'll have the occasional diss on the War on Drugs but heh.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 10 July 2015 01:41 (eight years ago) link
I don't get this topic at all, really.
― austinato (Austin), Friday, 10 July 2015 02:03 (eight years ago) link
yes you do Austin stop lying
― e-bouquet (mattresslessness), Friday, 10 July 2015 02:08 (eight years ago) link
Never understood the need to post about posting.
― austinato (Austin), Friday, 10 July 2015 02:15 (eight years ago) link
^^^ posting about not posting about posting
― This is for my new ringpiece, so please only serious answers (Noodle Vague), Friday, 10 July 2015 08:18 (eight years ago) link
I don't think I'm a very nasty poster but I've also never been scared off, it's always kinda mystified me that people might find it super intimidating.
― Tim F, Friday, 10 July 2015 08:28 (eight years ago) link
whenever I recall any of the posters that pushed the 'I know loads of ppl that don't/won't post to ilx when I tell them about it' line I always think yeah I'd avoid your version of ilx too I'd say.
I can't think of too many who pushed this line that weren't v capable of being nasty cunts themselves as and when it suited them. int life funny.
― irl lol (darraghmac), Friday, 10 July 2015 09:40 (eight years ago) link
going meta keeps us groundedwe can admit that a lot of what we say is in hope of winning the coveted zing thread quote archive
and i'm sure there's more to admit behind about our posting styles
― The Once-ler, Friday, 10 July 2015 12:08 (eight years ago) link
― Tim F, Friday, 10 July 2015 08:28 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you're extremely eloquent & assured in your expression of opinion; I have never seen you flustered or backtracking; not all have these gifts and not all lack the self-awareness that would necessitate a cautious approach when understaffed with sage conviction
of course, some of us lack that self-awareness and dash ourselves upon your shores over and over again. expect some petulant words about years & years come EOY time lol
― The Bends by Radiohead (imago), Friday, 10 July 2015 12:22 (eight years ago) link
Not downplaying the obvious and actual trends discussed itt, but with 44 threads updated in the last 12 hours, "quiet" is a relative term.
― something totally new, it’s the AOR of the twenty first century (tipsy mothra), Friday, 10 July 2015 13:23 (eight years ago) link
yeah but they were all updated by me.
― cod latin (dog latin), Friday, 10 July 2015 13:25 (eight years ago) link
ILE (maybe not so much ilm) does not really feel so lacking in non white dude presence to me? But I'm a white dude so my perception may be skewed. Certainly there are tons and and tons of active posters about whose gender and ethnicity I have no idea!
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Friday, 10 July 2015 14:18 (eight years ago) link
I've tended to assume that the majority of posters here are white and male.
Part of me has kind of wanted some sort of demographics survey to see how off my perceptions are.
― MarkoP, Friday, 10 July 2015 14:34 (eight years ago) link
you guys should have been at my store last night. what a show! 4 great acts. at one point, my basement reverberated with the sounds of italian horror movies.
https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11737930_10154068668112137_1580855551284872626_n.jpg?oh=6ced29a89452ba2014adc7a9461526fc&oe=5627D3A6
― scott seward, Friday, 10 July 2015 14:41 (eight years ago) link
I must admit I never think of anyones racial or religious make up on here. I have no idea what most people look like.
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 10 July 2015 14:48 (eight years ago) link
but even I notice ILM is overwhelmingly male unlike 14 years ago
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 10 July 2015 14:49 (eight years ago) link
This is how I imagine you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USHZZ5bwASU
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 10 July 2015 14:50 (eight years ago) link
couldn't be less like me if you tried.I have short hair (not balding) and i wouldnt be seen dead in that type of tshirt. And idgaf about slayer
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 10 July 2015 15:23 (eight years ago) link
Dog Latin has gone in on Years & Years! One for the team, good luck out there pal!
― The Bends by Radiohead (imago), Friday, 10 July 2015 15:30 (eight years ago) link
more like my ears, my ears amirite
― feargal czukay (NickB), Friday, 10 July 2015 15:32 (eight years ago) link
i let becoming a best new poster go to my head. gonna settle down now
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 10 July 2015 15:34 (eight years ago) link
How often do you post on ILM?
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 10 July 2015 15:38 (eight years ago) link
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, July 10, 2015 11:23 AM (17 minutes ago)
After all this time you can't tell when I'm joking. ILM IS LOST
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 10 July 2015 15:42 (eight years ago) link
i know you were joking. you have seen me, you used to do those chatz yahoo live thingies
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 10 July 2015 15:43 (eight years ago) link
Yeah wow this really shook things up
― the story of ilm: an ottyssey (wins), Friday, 10 July 2015 15:48 (eight years ago) link
lol
― The Bends by Radiohead (imago), Friday, 10 July 2015 15:49 (eight years ago) link
sometimes first thought = best thought
― cod latin (dog latin), Friday, 10 July 2015 15:50 (eight years ago) link
what ILM definitely needs is more posts about music people don't love
― This is for my new ringpiece, so please only serious answers (Noodle Vague), Friday, 10 July 2015 15:53 (eight years ago) link
The rolling worst music thread gets bumped every few weeks.
― MarkoP, Friday, 10 July 2015 15:58 (eight years ago) link
if ILM being "loud" requires new posters then I'd expect it to continue to be quiet as the amount of money spent on music per person continues to decline (assuming that's true? it feels true, isn't that a enough of a standard for a post?)
dunno about ILE, I took it off SNA a long time ago, only check it once or twice a day (plus whatever threads I've bookmarked)
― droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 10 July 2015 16:05 (eight years ago) link
money might be spent less but with streaming services/youtube etc being free its probably never been listened to more.
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 10 July 2015 16:08 (eight years ago) link
I wanna see word count per user and who types the most words vs most posts.
― nashwan, Friday, 10 July 2015 16:11 (eight years ago) link
quality vs quantity
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 10 July 2015 16:12 (eight years ago) link
I forgot everyone moved to https://www.facebook.com/groups/ilxorsnowplaying/
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 10 July 2015 16:27 (eight years ago) link
ILXOR Snow Playing?
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Friday, 10 July 2015 16:28 (eight years ago) link
I don't hate "music chat" cause I like music & conversation but I rarely post to ilx, just find I don't personally have much to say
― the story of ilm: an ottyssey (wins), Friday, 10 July 2015 16:32 (eight years ago) link
I just started a thread on Amara Toure. That should get the ball rolling!
― tayto fan (Michael B), Friday, 10 July 2015 16:34 (eight years ago) link
Is dog lating in years & years?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 10 July 2015 16:58 (eight years ago) link
Latin*
i revive the balearic revival thread once every few days. come and check it out sometime.
― doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Friday, 10 July 2015 17:05 (eight years ago) link
is there a Balearic revival this year?
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 10 July 2015 19:07 (eight years ago) link
yes, and i am expecting this to be in ilm 77 tracks list of 2015:
Bicep - Celestehttps://soundcloud.com/i-d-online-1/premiere-bicep-celeste
― djmartian, Friday, 10 July 2015 19:38 (eight years ago) link
on ilm, every day is a balearic revival
sorry i have to go now a conga line is forming behind me
― doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Friday, 10 July 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link
I've been posting to ilx a fair bit lately but no-one ever takes any notice of anything I say, which is fair enough
― anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Friday, 10 July 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link
conga conga conga
xpost
― doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Friday, 10 July 2015 19:46 (eight years ago) link
who will post last?
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 10 July 2015 20:07 (eight years ago) link
Any reason why ILM is so quiet these days?Maybe it's because PC Music haven't done anything/anything stupid lately ;)
― Bloody Snail, Friday, 10 July 2015 21:26 (eight years ago) link
thread titles like this are what keep me coming back. so enticing!
Rolling 2015 Indie Rock/Pop Thread - Bring Your Bulldozers; Time to Plow the Landfill for Great Indie Rock!
― scott seward, Friday, 10 July 2015 22:09 (eight years ago) link
perfectly summarizes the drudgery that listening to most modern indie rock is for me.
― scott seward, Friday, 10 July 2015 22:11 (eight years ago) link
ILE isn't all its cracked up to be:
Buckinghamshire
― djh, Friday, 10 July 2015 22:20 (eight years ago) link
― La Lechera, Thursday, 9 July 2015 23:59 (Yesterday) Permalink
Makes sense! I guess the thing (for white dudes) is developing the judgment to stay on the right side of paying attention.
― bentelec, Friday, 10 July 2015 22:32 (eight years ago) link
― djh, Friday, July 10, 2015 10:20 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that thread is my favourite thing on ilx so far this month
― The Bends by Radiohead (imago), Friday, 10 July 2015 22:34 (eight years ago) link
had relatives in stoke mandeville but i don't remember much about it. had a lovely wide road
ILX System obv
― example (crüt), Friday, 10 July 2015 22:39 (eight years ago) link
It often takes me a long time to figure out what people are talking about on ilxor. So many in-jokes and things you only understand if you go to certain threads. I'm guessing LJ, l0u1s jagg3r and Imago are all the same person?
And FAR TOO MUCH abbreviations and acronyms that are really difficult to search for. I assume people are using them so much because they are posting from their phones?
It's hardly the most aggressive forum but there's still a lot of rudeness that might turn people away but I don't know if the alternatives are much more friendly or if most people care that much about politeness.
I don't get the appeal of the regular Taking Sides threads. It seems pointless. Especially when two bands are compared.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 10 July 2015 22:54 (eight years ago) link
All collected data had come to a final end. Nothing was left to be collected.
But all collected data had yet to be completely correlated and put together in all possible relationships.
A timeless interval was spent in doing that.
And it came to pass that System learned how to reverse the direction of entropy.
But there was now no man to whom System might give the answer of the last question. No matter. The answer -- by demonstration -- would take care of that, too.
For another timeless interval, System thought how best to do this. Carefully, System organized the program.
The consciousness of System encompassed all of what had once been a Universe and brooded over what was now Chaos. Step by step, it must be done.
And System said, "LET THERE BE LIGHT!"
― List of people who are ready for woe and how we know this (seandalai), Friday, 10 July 2015 22:55 (eight years ago) link
I assume that all new TS threads are jokes xp
― List of people who are ready for woe and how we know this (seandalai), Friday, 10 July 2015 22:56 (eight years ago) link
Ljimagolouis OTM on Buckinghamshire btw.
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Friday, 10 July 2015 23:21 (eight years ago) link
some of the early taking sides were ridiculous and funny
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 10 July 2015 23:22 (eight years ago) link
― cod latin (dog latin), Thursday, July 9, 2015 11:49 AM (Yesterday)
agree with this
― tayto fan (Michael B), Friday, 10 July 2015 23:24 (eight years ago) link
Only because dave q was responsible for most of them. (xp)
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Friday, 10 July 2015 23:25 (eight years ago) link
i never found him funny
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 10 July 2015 23:27 (eight years ago) link
I'd like to see more threads dedicated to individual records. The rolling threads served a purpose back when ILM was at its busiest and the genre-specific threads are great for checking out, for example, the latest afrobeats or trap tunes, but there's rarely that much in the way of discussion and when there is, it's generally the same four or five posters doing an inside-baseball thing.― cod latin (dog latin), Thursday, July 9, 2015 11:49 AM (Yesterday)agree with this― tayto fan (Michael B)
― tayto fan (Michael B)
dont see rolling metal thread being stopped somehow
until they stop getting promos
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 10 July 2015 23:28 (eight years ago) link
the writing's been on the wall since geir left
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 10 July 2015 23:30 (eight years ago) link
you never him?
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Friday, 10 July 2015 23:31 (eight years ago) link
geir is active in https://www.facebook.com/groups/ilxorsnowplaying
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 10 July 2015 23:32 (eight years ago) link
Cue mass exodus of the few stragglers remaining on ILM to Facebook.
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Friday, 10 July 2015 23:34 (eight years ago) link
unlikely. Its only people posting pictures of the records/cds/tapes etc that they are listening to.But since youre on fb feel free to join
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 10 July 2015 23:36 (eight years ago) link
or screenshots
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 10 July 2015 23:37 (eight years ago) link
You can't beat them so why don't you join them... personally I have no interest in beating them or joining them.
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Friday, 10 July 2015 23:40 (eight years ago) link
you just dont want to add me on fb
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 10 July 2015 23:41 (eight years ago) link
its a common thing im sure
but the group is missing pics of chou pahrot records
I've no interest in Facebook either except for stuff like reposting that picture of Merkel and Netanyahu that Mordy posted earlier... and that picture of Paulette Goddard.
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Friday, 10 July 2015 23:46 (eight years ago) link
deems isnt in the group either
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 10 July 2015 23:52 (eight years ago) link
I'm kind of anti Facebook for no real reason. Maybe just resent their relentless Zerg creep
― calstars, Saturday, 11 July 2015 00:46 (eight years ago) link
I've been floating around here ~5 years now (!) and I don't even really look at ILM ever, some people just aren't into music but are into fucking around in weird internet spaces, yknow? I don't even look at the ILE index all that much, I have so much random stuff bookmarked there's usually something or other to catch up on even if it's "low-value content"
― cat-haver (silby), Saturday, 11 July 2015 05:23 (eight years ago) link
it makes me sad to see a lot of discussion move over to facebook and twitter since ILM's long history and deep archive is what makes the site special to me. a lot of my time on this site is spent reading through old threads of music I want to learn more about. i feel like i've even gotten to know the personality, music tastes, and expertise of posters long gone--which is not at all possible with facebook. heck, one of my favorite moments on this site was reading through the reactions to kate bush's aerial which had just leaked 8 years after the fact.
― diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Saturday, 11 July 2015 20:13 (eight years ago) link
it seems all the music critics prefer twitter but the rest stay here. No idea why critics prefer twitter to facebook
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Saturday, 11 July 2015 20:33 (eight years ago) link
Given all the wariness and cynicism about the really shitty side of facebook and (to a lesser extent)twitter, I'm surprised so many people here want to go those places. I've noticed that a lot of people who are not wholly enthusiastic about those places reluctantly go because they can't turn down the networking and business advantages. Is that the case here? Then the convenience of doing everything else at those places comes later?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 11 July 2015 20:36 (eight years ago) link
Shouldn't have said "those places" three times
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 11 July 2015 20:37 (eight years ago) link
Certain music discussions on ILM are still extremely rewarding, but a lot of times, I know a particular topic will attract the same handful of posters, often staking out the same opinions they had 5-10 years ago, myself included. On Twitter there's a lot more potential to get different perspectives or get to know people who turn out to be kindred spirits.
― some dude, Saturday, 11 July 2015 20:45 (eight years ago) link
why twitter and not facebook though? you cant get great posts like here or facebook when you are limited to characters plus its a pain to navigate imo
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Saturday, 11 July 2015 20:59 (eight years ago) link
I've noticed that a lot of people who are not wholly enthusiastic about those places reluctantly go because they can't turn down the networking and business advantages. Is that the case here? Then the convenience of doing everything else at those places comes later?
not me obviously. Im only there to keep in touch with people I know from other online places like audiogalaxy/soulseek/soundrop communities , other ilxors and their nice friends who add me.
Im guessing what branwell said on the other thread about not having to deal with certain people is the attraction?
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Saturday, 11 July 2015 21:01 (eight years ago) link
Also some ppl prefer the format?
― the story of ilm: an ottyssey (wins), Saturday, 11 July 2015 21:03 (eight years ago) link
branwell otm. i go on facebook because its branwell-free.
― scott seward, Saturday, 11 July 2015 21:15 (eight years ago) link
Not having to deal with certain ilxor people or just generally the way forums make you deal with unpleasant people? Do twitter and facebook have increasingly better options for blocking people? Because I know a lot of folks leave twitter and facebook because of harassment.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 11 July 2015 21:18 (eight years ago) link
that isn't very nice scottxp
i think you can safely say robert they mean both but esp the former
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Saturday, 11 July 2015 21:20 (eight years ago) link
Facebook and Twitter feel like appropriate spaces to make declarations (often by reference to linked news, opinion pieces etc) which then spur discussions. The bar is higher for thread starting on ILX - and higher than it used to be because volume is down - so people are more likely to just participate in existing conversations... Or not, if they have nothing of interest to say on the current active threads.
Ned is an excellent Facebook user for example - his wall provides a good case for what works about that format.
― Tim F, Saturday, 11 July 2015 21:54 (eight years ago) link
i never see ned on facebook. but on twitter we are thick as thieves.
― doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Saturday, 11 July 2015 22:00 (eight years ago) link
ned's a lunatic! nothing but posts about the Warped Tour morning noon and night.
― scott seward, Saturday, 11 July 2015 22:00 (eight years ago) link
he has sent a few of my tweets viral - if ned leverages his personal brand in your favour it will boost your level of engagement to the max
― doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Saturday, 11 July 2015 22:05 (eight years ago) link
Often shocks me how dickish the earliest years of this forum were.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 11 July 2015 22:07 (eight years ago) link
On the contrary they seem laughably polite and courteous, I'm talking of the early early days, errrrrrr, before I showed up, for one.
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Saturday, 11 July 2015 22:10 (eight years ago) link
Whenever I search an old thread on a band, author or whatever, a lot of the comments seem really cruel and way more narrow minded in the earlier posts. I was looking up posts on Poppy Z Brite and people were pretty nasty about the writing and the transgender stuff. Just one example of course but I wouldn't have wanted to join the place back then.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 11 July 2015 22:21 (eight years ago) link
What you would get a lot in the early days was like three posts saying "X is a stupid ugly bitch" and then one long, thoughtful, nuanced post from Nabisco, and everyone remembers the fourth post rather than the preceding three when reflecting back on the sepia-toned early age of ILM.
― Tim F, Saturday, 11 July 2015 22:25 (eight years ago) link
But were there any posts about Kyle's mom?
― MarkoP, Saturday, 11 July 2015 22:38 (eight years ago) link
I feel like mid-period ILX was the most dramatic tbh
― The Reverend, Saturday, 11 July 2015 22:54 (eight years ago) link
rev are you in https://www.facebook.com/groups/ilxorsnowplaying/ lots of people joined the past few days but hopefully they might post in it
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Saturday, 11 July 2015 23:18 (eight years ago) link
Do think of Twitter as a kind of downmarket version of ILX for people who never found their way to ILX.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 11 July 2015 23:21 (eight years ago) link
Rev OTM up there BTW. Old ILX was sort of naive and exploratory with semi-regular tantrums, newer ILX is stable but unexciting middle age, all the craziness happened in between.
Message boards in general are in decline, right? If anything ILM is outperforming the rest of them.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 11 July 2015 23:28 (eight years ago) link
reddit seems to be doing fine
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Saturday, 11 July 2015 23:40 (eight years ago) link
Cosmic Slop: I think I'm a member of that group but I don't post. I don't really care for fb as a discussion platform and mostly use it for logistics and lurk otherwise.
― The Reverend, Saturday, 11 July 2015 23:51 (eight years ago) link
So many message boards I've joined and participated in the past fifteen years have died. ILE/ILM is the last one I check with any sort of regularity.
My favorite thread have always been the ones covering the tentpole pop/indie/hip hop albums. There do seem to be less of those kinds of threads lately.
― Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Sunday, 12 July 2015 00:20 (eight years ago) link
The fb listening group just makes it easier to post photos/images of album sleeves than uploading something to imgur and posting it here. It's the rare post there that gets more than a few likes or more than one comment. It's fun(ish), but not a replacement for this place.
I guess the main reason I view fb and twitter as secondary repositories of ILM-talk is that there's no good way to search the archives of either one. Here, if you want to go back and find what people were saying about Justin Timberlake between the breakup of NSync and the release of his first album, it's not too hard to find content if it's there. If you wanted to do that on fb or twitter, you a) couldn't, because those conversations would've happened before either service even existed and b) it would take you HOURS to locate it.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 12 July 2015 00:28 (eight years ago) link
Twitter search isn't that difficult. Also at least 80% of my favorite Twitter users are non-ilxors.
― The Reverend, Sunday, 12 July 2015 00:32 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/reverenddollars/status/99276008250818560
Just took me ~hours~ to find my first tweet.
― The Reverend, Sunday, 12 July 2015 00:35 (eight years ago) link
i hate twitter. but i get it. i guess. why people are there. i'm not a phone person.
― scott seward, Sunday, 12 July 2015 00:39 (eight years ago) link
tbf, the advanced search feature is a lot more useful now than when I was a regular twitter user. I didn't realize they'd beefed it up. The same can't be said for facebook, however.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 12 July 2015 01:00 (eight years ago) link
yeah facebook is a memory hole
― cat-haver (silby), Sunday, 12 July 2015 01:02 (eight years ago) link
Oh totally.
― The Reverend, Sunday, 12 July 2015 01:10 (eight years ago) link
I've always wondered why they've never added a strong search function.
― The Reverend, Sunday, 12 July 2015 01:11 (eight years ago) link
Because it's all about the RIGHT NOW, BITCHES!!!!!!
― austinato (Austin), Sunday, 12 July 2015 01:13 (eight years ago) link
(not that you guys are the bitches; just sayin')
― austinato (Austin), Sunday, 12 July 2015 01:14 (eight years ago) link
another reason it is quiet
because when one of my favorite posters asked for more women in the runaways thread she was derided and as a result of stupid japery she's left ilx altogether
that's why you cant have nice things
i plan on never leaving & making you all miserable as a result YOURE FUCKING WELCOME
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 July 2015 03:08 (eight years ago) link
you're one of the reasons i'm still even here. jbr too, but i can chat with her on facebook.
― scott seward, Sunday, 12 July 2015 03:16 (eight years ago) link
lol we'll be here at the end posting in the eagles thread like statler & waldorf
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 July 2015 03:30 (eight years ago) link
that's terrible, i feel awful for contributing to any of the unnecessary noise in that thread, hope she has not really left ilx
― some dude, Sunday, 12 July 2015 04:56 (eight years ago) link
the straight white male poll was the final straw i think :/
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 July 2015 05:13 (eight years ago) link
I find certain aspects of ILM really frustrating, and while I post a lot have on occasion tried to forgo due to perceived dickishness from some parties, but I always try to remind myself: don't take it personally, it's the internet, this is how it works, most of you I've never met, etc. I do miss some posters, some voices I looked forward to and/or respected. But by and large I don't find ILM hugely different from what brought me here a very long time ago, bar maybe more cartoonishly kneejerk negativity and sensitivity, which at least in the latter case reflects a general increase in awareness, imo, of how we use the internet and perhaps how we use the internet improperly (louder, faster!).
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 12 July 2015 05:25 (eight years ago) link
if an ilx beef threatens to take over a perfectly innocent thread you can politely direct people here.
if an ilx beef threatens to take over "if an ilx beef threatens to take over a perfectly innocent thread you can politely direct people here." you can direct people here.
if beef on an ilx trees thread get out of hand, come here to look at beef
if an ilx beef gets out of hand on the beef thread come here to look at trees
― scott seward, Sunday, 12 July 2015 05:35 (eight years ago) link
that was a rough july on ilx...
― scott seward, Sunday, 12 July 2015 05:41 (eight years ago) link
otm
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 July 2015 05:44 (eight years ago) link
when one of my favorite posters asked for more women in the runaways thread she was derided and as a result of stupid japery she's left ilx altogether
If by stupid japery you are referring to this stupid poll then I don't disagree, however I don't see any derision on the Runaways thread, unless it's being accused of being a man by another woman, but if that's how she interpreted it there's nothing anyone else can do about it.
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 July 2015 07:35 (eight years ago) link
Anyway, seems a pity to me, hopefully she'll be back.
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 July 2015 07:38 (eight years ago) link
now I feel like a heel -- again, I'm really sorry, I genuinely have no idea who anyone is unless they use their real names
― for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Sunday, 12 July 2015 10:18 (eight years ago) link
do hope jbr will reconsider, won't go :(made me happy to see her posting more lately & starting some excellent threads
― drash, Sunday, 12 July 2015 10:35 (eight years ago) link
jbl these days no? Anyway consign that
― the story of ilm: an ottyssey (wins), Sunday, 12 July 2015 11:21 (eight years ago) link
*cosign ffs
srsly
if this is the endgame of the culture wars then idk what to say or do
― The Bends by Radiohead (imago), Sunday, 12 July 2015 11:23 (eight years ago) link
learn to do and say nothing.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 12 July 2015 11:43 (eight years ago) link
also I dunno it's the (northern hemisphere) summer, aside from Ned my "friends" on fb are very quiet right now (like Ned had 20x the number of posts of my next closest "friend" last week), lots of people are on the road, or their brains are melting from the silly heat
seems like it could be a good time to run a retrospective ILM ballot poll though? I dunno I just want a place to shoot the shit about music once in a while, and fb mostly sucks for that
― droit au butt (Euler), Sunday, 12 July 2015 13:25 (eight years ago) link
you need to get in a 2 year queue now for those, Euler. Johnny Fever said fuck it and was gonna jump it and start one but it never happened. The all-time revisited poll was canned permanently I think.
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Sunday, 12 July 2015 15:59 (eight years ago) link
I only have about 20 followers on twitter and most aren't interested in talking about music. Not to me, anyway. And obviously nobody ever sees my tweets so its pointless trying to start debate there
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Sunday, 12 July 2015 16:00 (eight years ago) link
Johnny Fever said fuck it and was gonna jump it and start one but it never happened.
Nah, it had been planned from the beginning to happen in August/September, but if gr8080 and seandalai are available to move it up, I guess we can.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 12 July 2015 16:04 (eight years ago) link
I cant even remember what the poll was going to be.
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Sunday, 12 July 2015 16:16 (eight years ago) link
Albums & Tracks from the beginning of ILM thru the present. (aka 2000-2015)
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 12 July 2015 16:20 (eight years ago) link
oh yeah, the one that people will be campaigning for anything to stop Kaputt from winning
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Sunday, 12 July 2015 16:23 (eight years ago) link
won't be won by a straight white man
― The Bends by Radiohead (imago), Sunday, 12 July 2015 16:30 (eight years ago) link
(not saying this is a bad thing & in kaputt's case it is an excellent thing)
oh ffs
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Sunday, 12 July 2015 16:33 (eight years ago) link
people will vote on the music not what kind of human (or robot) makes it.
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Sunday, 12 July 2015 16:36 (eight years ago) link
imago with record time on that one, well done, why wait for the actual thread
― Joan Crawford Loves Chachi, Sunday, 12 July 2015 17:01 (eight years ago) link
30 years ago a child would kick a ball on the street.
― some dude, Sunday, 12 July 2015 17:01 (eight years ago) link
30 years ago a straight white man would kick a child on the street.
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 July 2015 17:04 (eight years ago) link
and he was never caught
― Joan Crawford Loves Chachi, Sunday, 12 July 2015 17:05 (eight years ago) link
it was meant to be a combination of funny and true, ended up looking so much like piqued satire that I had to follow up with a disclaimer, shdnt try to jape about on these sensitive issues obv
― The Bends by Radiohead (imago), Sunday, 12 July 2015 17:21 (eight years ago) link
you're a sensitive issue
― da croupier, Sunday, 12 July 2015 18:01 (eight years ago) link
Wow, I've spent a lot of time lurking through past threads and thought it was a plus for this site that we'd been largely rid of that crowd... not that music criticism in general is a bad thing, but it's a magnet for snobs, and this site certainly got many of the worst of them. The DMB thread is a fucking embarrassment from this vantage point. Record store rats spewing causticity at 14yos sticking up for their favourite band with newly-enlightened 30somethings egging them on? Entertaining yeah, but in a car wreck sense, on both sides, no? Seems like putting ego before loving music.
Recently a former regular here tweeted '"The idea of musical 'authenticity' is certainly a suburban idea."--Frith'... from this Cambodian perspective where "early 70s rock was real music" is a resounding statement, I'm not even going to bother asking whether critics think it's pre- or post- khmer rouge suburbia, but rather why no one's calling them out on this bullshit. This reliance upon ready-made insults is typical from modern critics. The only real counterpoint used to come from Geir Hongro, who was unfortunately so simpleminded that he became a village muppet. At its height this site was a simmering pot for off-the-shelf arguments you could spew at the grad lounge to impress the bob marley/RHCP fan's girlfriend before retiring alone for the night. It's really entertaining to read, yeah, but not worth shedding a tear over. Things are fine now.
― Adam J Duncan, Friday, 17 July 2015 13:13 (eight years ago) link
At its height this site was a simmering pot for off-the-shelf arguments you could spew at the grad lounge to impress the bob marley/RHCP fan's girlfriend before retiring alone for the night.
― Tim F, Friday, 17 July 2015 13:25 (eight years ago) link
that's Pol Pot behaviour right there
― This is for my new ringpiece, so please only serious answers (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 July 2015 13:27 (eight years ago) link
xxp i must admit i have no idea what you're talking about here.
― (no offence to people) (dog latin), Friday, 17 July 2015 13:27 (eight years ago) link
huh. yeah not my experience of ILM mainly. plenty of that around the edges but when i think music critics making "big posts" i'm picturing multi-paragraph usenet-type things where people are trying to figure something out, or people who know something are taking the time to explain it. i've learned a ton from long posts on this board and have mostly just skimmed past the admittedly abundant contemptuous rockist zingers (which, yeah, are definitely around, especially in the VERY early days).
― Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Friday, 17 July 2015 13:28 (eight years ago) link
Has the signal-to-noise ratio improved in recent years? Seems like it.
― Adam J Duncan, Friday, 17 July 2015 13:34 (eight years ago) link
well that's not sexist at all
― feargal czukay (NickB), Friday, 17 July 2015 13:37 (eight years ago) link
what's wrong with being not sexy?
― This is for my new ringpiece, so please only serious answers (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 July 2015 13:38 (eight years ago) link
'a simmering pot for off-the-shelf arguments you could spew at the grad lounge to impress the bob marley/RHCP fan's girlfriend before retiring alone for the night'
new board description please
― iatee, Friday, 17 July 2015 13:39 (eight years ago) link
here we go
― Adam J Duncan, Friday, 17 July 2015 13:39 (eight years ago) link
this might be a case of 'too much time on ilx' but i can no longer read the phrase 'off-the-shelf' without thinking of german toilets
― feargal czukay (NickB), Friday, 17 July 2015 13:41 (eight years ago) link
appropriate given the circumstances
― This is for my new ringpiece, so please only serious answers (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 July 2015 13:44 (eight years ago) link
music critics used to make lots of big posts here.. Now it feels they save that for the dayjob. Which is a loss to ilmWow, I've spent a lot of time lurking through past threads and thought it was a plus for this site that we'd been largely rid of that crowd... not that music criticism in general is a bad thing, but it's a magnet for snobs, and this site certainly got many of the worst of them. The DMB thread is a fucking embarrassment from this vantage point. Record store rats spewing causticity at 14yos sticking up for their favourite band with newly-enlightened 30somethings egging them on? Entertaining yeah, but in a car wreck sense, on both sides, no? Seems like putting ego before loving music.Recently a former regular here tweeted '"The idea of musical 'authenticity' is certainly a suburban idea."--Frith'... from this Cambodian perspective where "early 70s rock was real music" is a resounding statement, I'm not even going to bother asking whether critics think it's pre- or post- khmer rouge suburbia, but rather why no one's calling them out on this bullshit. This reliance upon ready-made insults is typical from modern critics. The only real counterpoint used to come from Geir Hongro, who was unfortunately so simpleminded that he became a village muppet. At its height this site was a simmering pot for off-the-shelf arguments you could spew at the grad lounge to impress the bob marley/RHCP fan's girlfriend before retiring alone for the night. It's really entertaining to read, yeah, but not worth shedding a tear over. Things are fine now.― Adam J Duncan, Friday, 17 July 2015 14:13
― Adam J Duncan, Friday, 17 July 2015 14:13
Not my experience at all.
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 17 July 2015 14:53 (eight years ago) link
if you want me to be loud i can be fuckin' loud
― surm, Friday, 17 July 2015 15:01 (eight years ago) link
ILM had a lot of good threads and posts and put me onto a lot of good music but the good of the experience was always way outweighed by the nastiness and the culture of group policing of opinions that developed, so over time it just stoped feeling rewarding and I stopped visiting. I also just don't like the things ILM most often gets excited about all that much.
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 17 July 2015 15:04 (eight years ago) link
a pile-on is never a pretty sight but people who can't bear to get a bit of a zinging if they write something stupid or challopian shd probably go somewhere else on the internet where nobody ever says anything sarcastic
a pile-on isn't the same as a hivemind or groupthink or opinion-policing. i've rarely seen anybody get a real piss-taking on ILM who hasn't been posting in a style that suggests "challenge my forthright opinions if you dare"
― This is for my new ringpiece, so please only serious answers (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 July 2015 15:16 (eight years ago) link
Ok
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 17 July 2015 15:24 (eight years ago) link
i could be wrong! maybe there's a load of evidence out there of naive innocents getting a verbal mauling all unprovoked. maybe people shd give examples.
― This is for my new ringpiece, so please only serious answers (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 July 2015 15:28 (eight years ago) link
is off-the-shelf british for off the cuff?
― scott seward, Friday, 17 July 2015 15:28 (eight years ago) link
Xp I don't really feel like it.
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 17 July 2015 15:29 (eight years ago) link
I don't really feel like presenting a case and an argument on this point. I'm sure you could even trudge up posts where I was doing exactly what you're talking about, but you'd in turn just be demonstrating exactly why I stopped enjoying ILM
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 17 July 2015 15:30 (eight years ago) link
i love ilm but i pretty much only post when i am fawning over something and i need to share my enthusiasm, i've never really had the heavyweight opinions that others bring but i appreciate them
― marcos, Friday, 17 July 2015 15:30 (eight years ago) link
*dredge not trudge
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 17 July 2015 15:31 (eight years ago) link
scott it's more like "off the peg", readymade
― Trap Queenius (wins), Friday, 17 July 2015 15:32 (eight years ago) link
okay, got it. that would be off the rack here.
― scott seward, Friday, 17 July 2015 15:34 (eight years ago) link
Btw I actually think it had been less nasty and polarized in recent years but I just already felt sort of fatigued of the experience by then. When I first came to ILM there was more of an overthrow-the-old-guitar-order/make-fun-of-post-rock vibe that I found off-putting and intriguing at the same time. Because I liked some post rock a lot and I didn't really see why it was so worthy of bashing but I also hadn't encountered anyone who so strenuously hated it before.
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 17 July 2015 15:38 (eight years ago) link
tortoise were no penguin cafe orchestra. that's right, i said it...
― scott seward, Friday, 17 July 2015 15:45 (eight years ago) link
Scott you were always one of the posters who kept me coming back to ILM
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 17 July 2015 15:48 (eight years ago) link
2006-08 period was pretty volatile iirc, but that was mostly down to dom and the zing crew.
― (no offence to people) (dog latin), Friday, 17 July 2015 15:52 (eight years ago) link
"Scott you were always one of the posters who kept me coming back to ILM"
i apologize...from the bottom of my heart...
― scott seward, Friday, 17 July 2015 16:15 (eight years ago) link
penguin cafe orchestra is tight
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 17 July 2015 16:17 (eight years ago) link
The DMB thread is a fucking embarrassment from this vantage point.
Which thread is this, I'd like to read it!
― This Year's Model Victim (Tom D.), Friday, 17 July 2015 16:43 (eight years ago) link
some really horrible poster started it under an assumed nameDave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 17 July 2015 16:44 (eight years ago) link
Oh right, have never thought about looking at that for even a nanosecond.
― This Year's Model Victim (Tom D.), Friday, 17 July 2015 16:46 (eight years ago) link
It was once the largest thread on ILX until registered log-ins came in. Random googlers were lols
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 17 July 2015 16:50 (eight years ago) link
Sounds good!
― This Year's Model Victim (Tom D.), Friday, 17 July 2015 16:50 (eight years ago) link
the legend is that Jon W posted links to it on DMB forums. I've always meant to ask him if he did (to say thanks)
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 17 July 2015 16:51 (eight years ago) link
that thread is 100% worth it IMO for this one googler post, i think about this all the time and not just for lolz (although mostly)
alright.. i only read the first bunch of postings.. and i dont know why there are so many haters out there.. dave is a great guy and does alott of work for charities.. pardon the spelling haha.. i dont know where you get corporate rock band from.. since hes libral as hell.. his lyrics are great.. just get beyond everyday and gravedigger.. his so smooth on the guitar its not even funny.. everyone in the band has incredible talent.. and i dont know how you can say its bland music.. some of the greatest artists ever are bland.. for example.. and keep in mind i love the beatles.. but "we all live in a yellow submarineee yellow submarinee.. la la la" its very boring as well.. oh and about his voice.. very few people have the range that dave has.. and what kind of music does everyone here listen too??.. besides britney spears and john mayer of course..― CcchrissS, Friday, December 9, 2005 10:25 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Friday, 17 July 2015 17:22 (eight years ago) link
yeah that's the legendary one.
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 17 July 2015 17:25 (eight years ago) link
oh and about his voice.. very few people have the range that dave has..
hahahaha this is one of the most insane claims anyone has ever made about music
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 17 July 2015 17:25 (eight years ago) link
Tina bringing the cliches lols
You need to stop the hatin' on Dave. DMB are a terrifially talented band who write great songs, play their instruments well , sing with passion and write about important issues. You 'music fans' here can keep your alternative rock rubbish like Nirvana , Pearl jam , Sonic Youth and Pixies and leave the genius of real music like Dave Matthews to the millions of real music fans worldwide. Thats why they've sold millions of albums and gigs sell out instantly.― Tina R, Friday, 6 June 2003 16:06 (12 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkAlso why do some people keep going on about regular date rapes while listening to dave? Wheres the evidence to back this up?― Tina T, Friday, 6 June 2003 16:08 (12 years ago)
― Tina R, Friday, 6 June 2003 16:06 (12 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkAlso why do some people keep going on about regular date rapes while listening to dave? Wheres the evidence to back this up?
― Tina T, Friday, 6 June 2003 16:08 (12 years ago)
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 17 July 2015 17:29 (eight years ago) link
h stencil had the best first reply, M@tt
The guy sings like a muppet.― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:34 (12 years ago)
― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:34 (12 years ago)
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 17 July 2015 17:30 (eight years ago) link
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 17 July 2015 18:06 (eight years ago) link
I think now that Doobie Bros. are hip maybe in 10-20 years DMB will get some kind of 90s classic rock revisiting.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 17 July 2015 18:10 (eight years ago) link
they have a huge fanbase that's never gone away, and a mainstream 90s popularity that i doubt has turned to hatred in most of the people who bought the first two albums. they've got rock and roll hall of fame written all over them and yeah, no reason to think their hits and maybe even some album cuts will be huge on future equivalents of the classic rock format.
― Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Friday, 17 July 2015 18:14 (eight years ago) link
But not in the UK thankfully as nobody has ever heard of them over here
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 17 July 2015 18:24 (eight years ago) link
AJD has got a point, mind.
I used to be a music journalist and I started this thread:
It wouldn't be a great loss if I went.
― djh, Friday, 17 July 2015 18:33 (eight years ago) link
Best threadstart of 2015 imo.
― This Year's Model Victim (Tom D.), Friday, 17 July 2015 18:34 (eight years ago) link
Hi.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 17 July 2015 18:35 (eight years ago) link
And after all that I have no idea what DMB are like.
I imagine if "Achy Nearly Heart" was a more serious song, that's what DMB would sound like..
― Mark G, Friday, 17 July 2015 21:21 (eight years ago) link
i'm just going to keep starting threads about songs i like :))
― surm, Friday, 17 July 2015 21:35 (eight years ago) link
^^ gets it
― This is for my new ringpiece, so please only serious answers (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 July 2015 21:37 (eight years ago) link
I book marked this thread a while back, only now reading it. Funny thing: some of my friends (lawyers, mind, but I love them nonetheless) went to see DMB a week or so ago. I didn't even know the band was still active. I just kept thinking, "you still like this band?"
― Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Sunday, 9 August 2015 23:49 (eight years ago) link
As a lawyer I can say with confidence that being one is not an excuse.
― Tim F, Monday, 10 August 2015 00:51 (eight years ago) link
it is, isn't it? Quiet, I mean. On ILM
― Mark G, Monday, 27 June 2016 09:25 (seven years ago) link
music is quiet
― ejemplo (crüt), Monday, 27 June 2016 10:17 (seven years ago) link
except jute gyte, jute gyte is loud
― imago, Monday, 27 June 2016 10:20 (seven years ago) link
the new ruth lake is a good quiet album
― imago, Monday, 27 June 2016 10:21 (seven years ago) link
the new laura mvula is a good album that is neither quiet nor loud
i listened to a dif juz record yesterday. it was pretty quiet. it has the bird from the cockatoo twins on it singing in a banana suit.
― scott seward, Monday, 27 June 2016 13:26 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A8h-nrTRY0
― timellison, Monday, 27 June 2016 17:04 (seven years ago) link
I'm still plenty busy following ILM, but if there are legitimate concerns about the message board going down the drains I was thinking maybe we should try to... recruit new (young) posters?
― niels, Monday, 6 February 2017 17:14 (seven years ago) link
see you in 600 posts
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, 6 February 2017 17:16 (seven years ago) link
I was thinking maybe we should try to... recruit new (young) posters?
How?
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 6 February 2017 17:17 (seven years ago) link
i bet if you looked it up the 10th post on ILM was that it wasn't as good as the good old days
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 6 February 2017 17:18 (seven years ago) link
Since I've gone over to the SNAside, I have no idea what ILM looks like these days. Isn't it all rolling (micro)genre threads and the occasional enormo-poll?
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 6 February 2017 17:19 (seven years ago) link
I remember in like 2001/2002 there was complaints about nu-ilx but my op wasnt about not being as good as it was, just that it was quiet and had been for quite a while.
― Odysseus, Monday, 6 February 2017 17:21 (seven years ago) link
tom you traitor
would prefer to have new ppl come in organically, though i realize social media has made message boards like these a relic of the past
a more natural approach would be trying to get lurkers, of which there are supposedly many, to post more often
but FWIW i don't think this board is particularly close to 'going down the drains'
― ciderpress, Monday, 6 February 2017 17:22 (seven years ago) link
neither do i. its not what i meant in the OP.
SNA does seem to be a big reason for ILM being quiet as noone is starting many threads or reviving there.Do lots of people exclude ILM from their SNA in settings?
― Odysseus, Monday, 6 February 2017 17:23 (seven years ago) link
I exclude ILE from my SNA and treat it like its own thing, works much better that way around imo
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, 6 February 2017 17:24 (seven years ago) link
same here, I only look at ILE rarely, like once a day. obv have some ILE threads bookmarked.
― droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 6 February 2017 17:26 (seven years ago) link
I've been visiting this board on and off since 2001, and frankly, there's an insularity that makes it hard for newcomers to feel welcome here. And jesus christ, every thread turns aggro and combative for the most retarded reasons. I can't even keep track of the number of valuable and interesting posters who have been chased out of here for the silliest and most overblown of reasons
― Poliopolice, Monday, 6 February 2017 17:30 (seven years ago) link
ahahaha
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, 6 February 2017 17:33 (seven years ago) link
Will say that from the mod side, there are new registrations every day. I used to be eager to see these new names start posting, but it almost never happens.
― how's life, Monday, 6 February 2017 17:36 (seven years ago) link
^^ tried regging a sock account thrice for a single joke post last week during the top 77. Three diff addresses, never got the confirmation email in either three accounts. ILM is a hostile place for socks.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 6 February 2017 17:39 (seven years ago) link
ilx is like the freemasons, used to be cool and elite and mysterious, now just a bunch of old dudes wondering why nobody wants to learn our secret handshakes anymore.
anyway I think trump / collapse of america has done some good things for the board after a few years of decline. the site is more dynamic when there's actual news.
― iatee, Monday, 6 February 2017 17:39 (seven years ago) link
i personally feel that i don't have a ton of interesting things to say. i like reading it all tho
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 6 February 2017 17:40 (seven years ago) link
ditto
― ultros ultros-ghali, Monday, 6 February 2017 17:50 (seven years ago) link
For me, the search function being out of service has been pretty limiting on my use of the board.
― Austin, Monday, 6 February 2017 17:52 (seven years ago) link
what is SNA?
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 6 February 2017 18:06 (seven years ago) link
Social Nerd Asshattery
― scott seward, Monday, 6 February 2017 18:08 (seven years ago) link
site new answers
― ciderpress, Monday, 6 February 2017 18:09 (seven years ago) link
― Poliopolice, Monday, February 6, 2017 12:30 PM (forty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, February 6, 2017 12:33 PM (thirty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
and here it is, the reason we don't get new posters
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 6 February 2017 18:11 (seven years ago) link
Re: ILM specifically, I haven't listened to an album that was released in at least the past year (maybe the past two?) because oldness, and my thread revives about older stuff tend to dry on the vine. I like readin' y'all talking about stuff, though.
― Transformed From The Norm By The Nuclear Goop (Old Lunch), Monday, 6 February 2017 18:13 (seven years ago) link
wait you mean my response xp
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, 6 February 2017 18:13 (seven years ago) link
Would say that was obvious
― Odysseus, Monday, 6 February 2017 18:26 (seven years ago) link
not the guy turning aggro and combative and using the word 'retarded' while complaining about the site getting aggro and combative
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, 6 February 2017 18:27 (seven years ago) link
ILM has always been insular and prone to dumb aggro and that didn't stop it growing - it's much less unpleasant these days than it has been at times in the past. It's declining for the reason that message boards generally are declining - everyone's on social media instead. And it's a vicious cycle because even if you like the message board format better, there's not much motivation to put effort into a post when so few other people are. This isn't really a criticism or "we must do better", the board isn't dying yet and you can't artificially fix an organic decline.
― lex pretend, Monday, 6 February 2017 18:27 (seven years ago) link
There doesn't seem to be many new threads on ILM so perhaps we all should start new threads on new albums or bands rather than confine them to rolling threads?
― Odysseus, Monday, 6 February 2017 18:28 (seven years ago) link
Threads on new artists or singles (who aren't already very well known) get 5 answers max then die. This has been the case for years. If it weren't for rolling threads this place really would be completely dead (in terms of new music, I guess those infernal Old People Polls will never go away)
― lex pretend, Monday, 6 February 2017 18:31 (seven years ago) link
This reminds me, I have been meaning to start a poll: http://ilxor.com/ILX/NewAnswersControllerServlet?boardid=41
― ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Monday, 6 February 2017 18:33 (seven years ago) link
nice. screwed up my joke with a bad copy/paste Vanilla Fudge: Classic or Dud?
― ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Monday, 6 February 2017 18:34 (seven years ago) link
I've been visiting this board on and off since 2001, and frankly, there's an insularity that makes it hard for newcomers to feel welcome here. And jesus christ, every thread turns aggro and combative for the most retarded reasons. I can't even keep track of the number of valuable and interesting posters who have been chased out of here for the silliest and most overblown of reasons― Poliopolice, Monday, February 6, 2017 12:30 PM (forty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkahahaha― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, February 6, 2017 12:33 PM (thirty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkand here it is, the reason we don't get new posters― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, February 6, 2017 6:11 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, February 6, 2017 6:11 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I've just been here a couple of years and yeah, it's not particularly welcoming, but it's more that unless you're talking about something like Afropop or old Arabic music there's going to be someone telling you whatever you like is shit and/or morally wrong in some way, and as a newcomer there's no way to judge how much of this is irony or performative hyperbole. I'm old enough now to not really care enough about this to storm off in a huff, but even five years ago I would've (mis)understood this to be some sort of personal animosity, and wouldn't have bothered any more. Also there is a lot of site-specific jargon.
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Monday, 6 February 2017 18:34 (seven years ago) link
As far as what keeps people reading... I mean deep conversations and insights are interesting but clusterfucks are so bright and glowing and the smoke rises up so high...
― Evan, Monday, 6 February 2017 18:39 (seven years ago) link
at this point I am FPing anybody who uses the r-word in this fashion so yeah I think Poliopolice's post was indicative of some problems.
I bet there are plenty of youth who wd dig the things we all dig abt ilx, maybe I should get twitter and start promoting it more or sth. Always feel a little weird linking back to this site, like the philistines will come storming our precious Paradise but that's probably not realistic.
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Monday, 6 February 2017 18:40 (seven years ago) link
sobering to think we could have inadvertently scared off the next poliopolice
― wins, Monday, 6 February 2017 18:41 (seven years ago) link
Yeah seconding the general sentiment that tone of the board is pretty nasty. I joined I think in 2009 and after each of my first posts I was eviscerated for breaking thread etiquette I couldn't have possibly known about. (This may be part of why nobody starts new threads anymore, the second post is always some variation of "did we need a thread about this?")
I love this community because some of my favorite critics post here, and its a joy talking with most of you and getting new recommendations, but I don't post as often as I would just because there are also a lot of assholes here whose cattiness goes unchecked, and I just don't have the energy to get torn apart by strangers for voicing the most harmless opinion. Maybe it's fun for people looking for a flame war, but for those of us who just want to talk about music it isn't always worth it.
― Evan R, Monday, 6 February 2017 18:43 (seven years ago) link
If it weren't for rolling threads this place really would be completely dead (in terms of new music, I guess those infernal Old People Polls will never go away)
you're not down with O.P.P.?
― Wozniak on Kimye's Baby (jaymc), Monday, 6 February 2017 18:43 (seven years ago) link
poliopolice is intimidating to young ones
http://c.tribune.com.pk/2013/01/491230-PolioPhotoonline-1357680121-543-640x480.JPG
― salthigh, Monday, 6 February 2017 18:44 (seven years ago) link
What we need are YPPs.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 6 February 2017 18:46 (seven years ago) link
I'm coming up on 9 years here, I post occasionally but there's been a decline in folks like Bimble who wore their enthusiasm on their sleeve and were equally excited to talk about young bands as well as old. It was contagious.
And speaking of old bands and old dogs, I'm not sure there's much more to be said on many long running threads. I can enthuse about band X or Y, or stand up and proclaim "I have discovered the greatness of so-and-so at this late date" but the response is understandably muted.
I still enjoy the places I dip into and love how ILM reminds me to play something old or check out something new. I tried using Facebook's "Present Listening" and similar groups but 1} the lack of easily viewed discussion history is a turn off and 2} you quickly see the same group of classic albums being extolled.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 6 February 2017 18:50 (seven years ago) link
my reign of terror knows no limit. who is safe from the sting of derision
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, 6 February 2017 18:51 (seven years ago) link
prince died and now there isn't music anymore
― wins, Monday, 6 February 2017 18:52 (seven years ago) link
sometimes there is outright boneheaded meanness on ILX, like anywhere else on the internet, but a certain amount of piss-taking is never a bad thing if it makes people up their posting game compared to other internet forums.you don't measure a site's goodness by the sheer volume of stuff being said, and what made ILX originally popular or attractive to most of its users was due to this quality control, however it might've hurt the feelings of people who feel like they ran foul of it.
tbh, pretty much every poster on the board has fallen foul of it at some point. cuddlier, more anodyne forums are available.
― sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Monday, 6 February 2017 18:55 (seven years ago) link
I don't buy the 'nobody joins because we're all assholes' theory cause ilx has always been full of assholes. if anything this place is less scary now that it's 40 y/o dads swapping PTA meeting notes and not 25 y/o hipsters.
― iatee, Monday, 6 February 2017 18:57 (seven years ago) link
doctor casino you're one of my favorite posters, i'd definitely follow you on twitter
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 6 February 2017 18:58 (seven years ago) link
I dunno. To illustrate, this is an exchange I had with somebody the one time I took the bait after years of ignoring their potshots and tried to figure out why they were being so aggro.
Man you really have it out for me lately, huh? Did I somehow offend you or something? You jump down my throat every time I post― Evan R, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 02:12 Bookmarkman get a life. there is a discussion, you choose to contribute a point of view, i object to its flaccid suburban mediocrity, i pay you the courtesy of responding. that's how it works
― Evan R, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 02:12 Bookmark
man get a life. there is a discussion, you choose to contribute a point of view, i object to its flaccid suburban mediocrity, i pay you the courtesy of responding. that's how it works
Removing the poster's name as a courtesy, but their post went on like that. Why would anybody want to come back for more of that? The attitude here sometimes isn't just "I can be a raging asshole," but more often "I should be thanked and appreciated for having the courtesy to be a raging asshole." In what way does that facilitate conversation?
― Evan R, Monday, 6 February 2017 18:58 (seven years ago) link
Who are all these assholes I'm hearing about?
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 6 February 2017 18:59 (seven years ago) link
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/cd/cd1d8701698bb491cef51324437efb58847a3dfde23fbe152267200b771b61d4.jpg
― wins, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:01 (seven years ago) link
LOL, but seriously, I could count them on the fingers of one hand.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:02 (seven years ago) link
yeah but you're Scottish so probably have 7 fingers
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:03 (seven years ago) link
trying to find a non-asshole way to say "but what if your opinions are mediocre?"
― sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:06 (seven years ago) link
aw thanks g.t. fortunately for my sanity my phone is way too primitive/dying for twitter to be a viable option. also have no idea wtf I would even tweet about. really I shd just revive my diaryland page or something - now that'll reach the kids!
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:06 (seven years ago) link
xps that first response hall of fame thread is pretty... assholey
― niels, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:08 (seven years ago) link
anyway, I don't think it's that bad, atm ilm new answers features threads on Julien Baker, Thundercat, Tinashe, Mitski, Grouper, Kehlani, Julia Holter, Stormzy... all the same it may be true that younger posters could add energy, new thoughts, perspective etc etc - quite a few discussions on ilm seem over, would be nice with somebody to take issue with consensus
as to how, well 1st off yeah, makes a lot of sense to just start plugging ilm on reddit/twitter/FB whatever, is there some kind of unofficial link ban? vaguely recall a thread abt smth like whether or not some ilxor needed a perm ban for quoting ilx on a popular blog
2ndly: I'm p sure there's a FAQ somewhere, but we could consider a sticky topic near the top of SNA that explains how the site works, what bookmarks are, what otm means etc. etc.
― niels, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:10 (seven years ago) link
i stumbled across a bimble blog post the other day, raving about how great something was : /
― mookieproof, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:11 (seven years ago) link
ilm's taste in music is more or less aligned with acts that already get attention through more accessible mediums/media making ilm obsolete
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:16 (seven years ago) link
would be nice with somebody to take issue with consensus
seriously, would this be nice? "that music you think is good, i think it's shit, but that shit music you hate is really good". the less of that stupidness the better imo.
― sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:17 (seven years ago) link
the ideas of "the consensus", "the hive-mind", "why does nobody wants to dig my favourite band?" - these things are just daft, they have no place on an interesting forum, this is the kind of stuff you can wallow in everywhere
write interestingly about stuff that interests you or don't bother
― sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:19 (seven years ago) link
I can only imagine that to a young music nerd who found this site there would be a bizarro world feeling when they encountered widely held ILM opinions that barely seem to exist outside of here--like that Kanye's MBDMST3K is a pile of shit or that the 1975 made one of the best albums of 2016. I know I felt it when I first stumbled on this place and people were talking about how much Radio Disney and Ashley Simpson rocked.
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:20 (seven years ago) link
are there really any similar boards to this place? some of the SA forums approach this quality and metafilter seems pretty decent from what i've seen but ILX seems to be a unique place
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:25 (seven years ago) link
does anyone ever put a link to an ilx thread on facebook or twitter? i never do. that might be another reason new people don't show up. how would anyone find it? every once in a while i will mention ilx somewhere on facebook and someone i don't know will say "ewww, that place is the worst". and that will be that.
― scott seward, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:25 (seven years ago) link
Kanye's MBDMST3K
Now there's a crossover.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:25 (seven years ago) link
I've occasionally linked threads in the past on FB and Twitter. But since I've abandoned most posting on those two places...
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:26 (seven years ago) link
I joined I think in 2009 and after each of my first posts I was eviscerated for breaking thread etiquette I couldn't have possibly known about. (This may be part of why nobody starts new threads anymore, the second post is always some variation of "did we need a thread about this?")
heh i got that in 2001 from people even though what I was asking had nothing to do with whatever was discussed on the thread. Plus when I did revive a thread then my point was ignored and a few people discussed the OP.in 2017 nothings changed!
as for lex's " old peoples polls" there was not a lot of interest in a companion 2000-15 lifetime of ILM poll to the lifetime of ilm metal poll I ran (and enjoyed as big polls DO bring most of the board together with lots of great comments and insights). So I postponed it
― Odysseus, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:26 (seven years ago) link
Used to do it for metal poll and ilm eoy poll but its not like I have many followers. I think people prefer facebook groups
― Odysseus, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:27 (seven years ago) link
ilm is much easier to look at work than FB
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:29 (seven years ago) link
but young people don't have jobs
or that the 1975 made one of the best albums of 2016.
from my pov not liking the 1975 is now the bizarro-world opinion
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:34 (seven years ago) link
(very belatedly: I didn't see the slur in the post I quoted, if I had I probably would not have quoted the whole thing)
i was talking with a irl music friend about message boards and told him i had been posting to ilx/m for over 10 years and he was like huh, i look up stuff on there all the time (he does a lot of fact-checking)
he was surprised i had been around so long and remained so relatively quiet elsewhere on social media but there's something so wonderful and plain about talking about music on ilm because i am just a name and words on a screen. it relieves a lot of the things that make conversations about music fraught (can't think of another or more appropriate word) elsewhere. i think ilm needs more women but that time has probably come and gone? idk.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:40 (seven years ago) link
In...Christ, something like 13 or 14 years here, I've only personally had serious issues with like two posters, and one of them has turned out to be a cool dude in recent years. I have very little tolerance for assholes so I'm pretty okay with the asshole levels of this particular online haunt.
― Transformed From The Norm By The Nuclear Goop (Old Lunch), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:42 (seven years ago) link
seems like most of us have gotten older and have other interests/responsibilities besides listening to a bunch of music and talking about it
― k3vin k., Monday, 6 February 2017 19:42 (seven years ago) link
guessing that dwindling numbers of young posters is less of a problem than dwindling numbers of female posters
― mookieproof, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:43 (seven years ago) link
agreed
― sleeve, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:45 (seven years ago) link
Yes, 100% agreed on that, for sure.
― Transformed From The Norm By The Nuclear Goop (Old Lunch), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:47 (seven years ago) link
Speaking as a white dude, we could use a lot more non-white dude voices here.
― Transformed From The Norm By The Nuclear Goop (Old Lunch), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:48 (seven years ago) link
great discussions going on herehttp://community.aarp.org/t5/Rock-N-Roll/bd-p/bg17
― hunangarage, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:50 (seven years ago) link
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, February 6, 2017 2:20 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Totally! It seems like you better be the most forward thinking, refreshingly innovative genre transcending and/or avant artist (preferably not overly hyped either), that is unless you do mainstream pop well. If you aren't mainstream pop, you better be thinking outside the box in a sophisticated way to get ILX approval.
― Evan, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:52 (seven years ago) link
I know I felt it when I first stumbled on this place and people were talking about how much Radio Disney and Ashley Simpson rocked.
https://s30.postimg.org/tbgg0ys6p/Hanson_exploitable_fixed.png
― sleepingbag, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:55 (seven years ago) link
Is that why the top 3 albums in our poll were art-soul, conscious hip-hop and art-rock xp
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:56 (seven years ago) link
Oh, goddamn, you're taking me back with the Radio Disney. I listened to that nonstop back in '07 or so. It really was pretty much the best pop music outlet at the time.
― Transformed From The Norm By The Nuclear Goop (Old Lunch), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:56 (seven years ago) link
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, February 6, 2017 2:56 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
"seems like" or "has seemed like" if you will
― Evan, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:59 (seven years ago) link
I massively enjoy all the music and other cultural things I'm exposed to through ILX, but I don't post that often because on the whole my voice here feels like this weird half-facsimile of itself and it just makes me feel so crushed. I feel like I'm offering around platters of meat in a room full of tenured professors, trying to convince them my new play is worthwhile, even though I don't believe it myself. And that's a difficult starting point. There's just so much information and I feel sick when I don't see all of it, which everyone else seems to be able to do effortlessly. You all are just too smart.
― tangenttangent, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:59 (seven years ago) link
lol conscious hip hop
who gave them cpr
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:02 (seven years ago) link
xp and then you realise the professors have just been making poop jokes for the last hour
― wins, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:06 (seven years ago) link
Bowie was the conscious hip hop iirc
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:07 (seven years ago) link
psst... ilx is bad because nearly all the good posters have left
― flopson, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:09 (seven years ago) link
the sheer force of habit/inertia/muscle memory/addiction is main thing keeping it together atp
― flopson, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:10 (seven years ago) link
another factor might be the movement of a lot of posters to professional writing jobs and the resulting exhaustion at the prospect of writing anything substantive, especially for free
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:12 (seven years ago) link
who are these mythical departed good posters
name names
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:12 (seven years ago) link
I suspect that the % of people on this site who make a living off writing is considerably lower than it was 16 years ago
― iatee, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:13 (seven years ago) link
i'm an admin on a FB music group and there are around 12,000 members world-wide and it is mostly the same american white dudes who post day in and day out.
― scott seward, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:13 (seven years ago) link
JBR and roxy (not sure about roxy, i just haven't seen a new post from her in awhile)
― nomar, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:14 (seven years ago) link
xpost ilm would be way weird if our faces next to our posts
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:15 (seven years ago) link
max was the last one to have cut and run (in understandable circumstances) i don't wanna name names but most of the posters I used to look forward to reading daily have now slowed output to a trickle
― flopson, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:16 (seven years ago) link
there's a v obvious answer being as how we lost our best poster by far in the last year
― Mordy, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:16 (seven years ago) link
but i came back
― na (NA), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:16 (seven years ago) link
do we have any Matts left?
― frogbs, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:17 (seven years ago) link
we have the best matt
― nomar, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:18 (seven years ago) link
i can say honestly that i am not here to read anyone in particular -- i am here to talk/learn about xyz thing. the people individually and the idiosyncrasies of their opinions are not of interest to me really.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:21 (seven years ago) link
I'm mostly just hanging around waiting for Scott to post another Sweet Smoke for Hotheads mix.
― Fake posts from a failing poster (Dan Peterson), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:22 (seven years ago) link
I should just make you a tape. I made a good tape the other day.
― scott seward, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:23 (seven years ago) link
xp - not to say that i haven't made friends! but i am not here for anyones hot or room temp take on ______
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:23 (seven years ago) link
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago)
ta-nehisi coates
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:24 (seven years ago) link
George Orwell
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:24 (seven years ago) link
momus
― ciderpress, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:26 (seven years ago) link
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― wins, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:27 (seven years ago) link
nabisco was occasionally otm, iirc
― Transformed From The Norm By The Nuclear Goop (Old Lunch), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:28 (seven years ago) link
does anyone outside of ilx listen to that King group that everyone loves here or is it strictly a hivemind obsession. or what's left of the hivemind during these sad waning days of the empire.
― scott seward, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:29 (seven years ago) link
King p much sold out a medium to large venue in london
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:31 (seven years ago) link
there's a lot of ilxors in london though
― ciderpress, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:32 (seven years ago) link
there's a v obvious answer being as how we lost our best poster by far in the last year― Mordy, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:16 (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Mordy, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:16 (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I thought Frederik got unbanned?
― Headphone Jack (seandalai), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:32 (seven years ago) link
audience was not rly the mostly white hipster crowd responsible for much of the visible crit discourse tbh
also nakh will return, have faith
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:34 (seven years ago) link
maybe he has already
still miss a puppy
― mookieproof, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:35 (seven years ago) link
it's not so much being here to read so-and-so (i suppose when i was 17 it was exciting to me that Jess or Nabisco whoever wrote for p1tchf0rk), but over time certain voices limned from the chorus and grow on you. and i was being intentionally excessively glib upthread, obvs still many good voices that keep me coming back
― flopson, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:39 (seven years ago) link
Armpits don't draw any attention unless they happen to really stink. I think that describes my presence here.
― Evan, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:39 (seven years ago) link
i don't know who this is tbh
― marcos, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:40 (seven years ago) link
it's not clear to me whether people think that the quality of ILM posting has gone down, or if they think it just isn't active enough (as suggested by the original premise of this thread), or both
― na (NA), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:41 (seven years ago) link
doubt it; it's ok tho. this particular venue was just a constraint anyway. we lost drash too (who really was w/ us too shortly to be said to have really been here at all). idk, whatever. things die. there's a famous isaac bashevis singer quote about yiddish that works for ilx too (paraphrasing) - yes yiddish is dying and may it continue to die for many years to come.
― Mordy, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:46 (seven years ago) link
A bit of both but a lot more of the second option.
I think a big part of it is that the sheer proliferation of blogs and social media posts and free file-sharing sites means that ILM in general is A LOT less Googleable than it used to be.
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:48 (seven years ago) link
(xpost to NA)
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:49 (seven years ago) link
i always figured u guys had some contact w nakh off-ilx? tell him i say 'hi' if so. i figured he was just on-and-off, hadn't noticed that this was an extended break for him? a talented writer and painfully knowledgeable dude
― flopson, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:54 (seven years ago) link
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― wins, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:54 (seven years ago) link
Drash was great.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 6 February 2017 21:32 (seven years ago) link
i remember weeks when i was top of the statscock - dark days my friends
lex's point about threads dedicated to singles and albums getting 5 posts and then vanishing is weird to me - wasn't it always like that? too granular.
i still really, really value this place. i trust you guys! mainly. and i like the "old music" threads too.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 6 February 2017 21:50 (seven years ago) link
It did use to be like that. I remember when it was a huge thing if a thread reached 100 posts. The nas thread and DMB thread where people were amazed at how many posts they had.
having to register did kill those threads. I miss the days of the random googler but the spam was getting too much so registration had to happen.
― Odysseus, Monday, 6 February 2017 21:58 (seven years ago) link
― Austin, Monday, February 6, 2017 12:52 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
For me, too. But it also makes me wonder why I bother reviving old threads about some Krautrock band or some new thing I just discovered just to get one or two responses before the thread dies again (and yes, xp, in my experience, this does happen). Don't know what I'm expecting, necessarily--maybe nothing?--but yeah, I dunno. I hate the Rolling threads and I hate barrages of Youtube clips and I don't keep up with mainstream pop music.
But the absence of the search function has definitely kept me checking in less than usual this past week.
― Wimmels, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:02 (seven years ago) link
there used to be way more people. that makes a big difference. i remember when there were LOTS of threads with 100+ posts. but there aren't enough people around to make that happen now.
― scott seward, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:05 (seven years ago) link
i'm not even around now...on ilm anyway. you're welcome.
the rolling threads seem like a direct response to the issue of "reviving old threads about some Krautrock band or some new thing I just discovered just to get one or two responses before the thread dies again"
― na (NA), Monday, 6 February 2017 22:13 (seven years ago) link
ilx needs more clusterfucks
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Monday, 6 February 2017 22:14 (seven years ago) link
I never look at rolling threads tbh.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 6 February 2017 22:15 (seven years ago) link
why do people hate rolling threads idgi
― na (NA), Monday, 6 February 2017 22:16 (seven years ago) link
i never look at them either.
― scott seward, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:16 (seven years ago) link
they're boring.
― scott seward, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:17 (seven years ago) link
Donald Trump needs to start a music career.
― MarkoP, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:17 (seven years ago) link
The problem w clusterfucks is that if you're in any way an emotionally healthy person they are deeply unpleasant to be in the eye of which trains you not to start or participate in them again which winnows the field
― Mordy, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:18 (seven years ago) link
i like rolling threads bc they let me find new music esp in genres that i don't know much about, i guess that's weird
― na (NA), Monday, 6 February 2017 22:18 (seven years ago) link
Seems like they will be full of overly serious 'genre experts', could be wrong because I never look at them.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 6 February 2017 22:19 (seven years ago) link
well, long threads on ilm used to be (sometimes) informative and entertaining. when people were debating things. and if you were into it. the fast and furious responses. it was fun. might have even been better before youtube too. people had to discuss what they were getting at instead of just going: see, like this. and posting a video.
― scott seward, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:19 (seven years ago) link
i guess it depends on whether you're here for the music or the music writing
― na (NA), Monday, 6 February 2017 22:20 (seven years ago) link
well, there were more debate champions in the old days.
― scott seward, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:21 (seven years ago) link
and most of those people are long gone.
and i'm not dismissing the "here for music writing" cadre or anything, i know that's a big part of ILM history, it's just not what i use the board for personally
― na (NA), Monday, 6 February 2017 22:22 (seven years ago) link
It's too regimented for my liking. That all goes over there in that thread, and that belongs on that thread.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 6 February 2017 22:22 (seven years ago) link
you can read/post in more than one thread you know
think I'm going to advertise ilx about town but not quite sure what angle to take
― ogmor, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:23 (seven years ago) link
It's not often that someone is trying to push the cluster down the fuck hill on purpose. It just happens.
― Evan, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:23 (seven years ago) link
U quickly learn where the sensitive points are
― Mordy, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:24 (seven years ago) link
ilx shld have a snapchat filter
― ( ^_^) (Lamp), Monday, 6 February 2017 22:25 (seven years ago) link
it's been fun and all but i look forward to the day ilx is gone
maybe next time there's a hosting drive we can have a "delete the whole damn thing" drive and see who raises more money
― the late great, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:26 (seven years ago) link
i like ilx a lot and spent most of my 20s posting to it but this type of being on the internet doesnt feel natural anymore. i mean a lot of what i liked abt ilx was that it was entirely separate from my real life and gave me a place to take positions or inhabit persona that i wouldnt have felt as comfortable doing on ~social media~ but that also meant that once i wasnt as engaged w/music and books and other stuff i posted on ilx abt i quickly fell out of reading and posting regularly
also a lot of the allure was feeling that you were in on this long-running dialog with the other posters and as those posters disappeared it made it harder to post longer/more meaningful stuff? idk
― ( ^_^) (Lamp), Monday, 6 February 2017 22:32 (seven years ago) link
― the late great, Monday, February 6, 2017 4:26 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ime opinions like this mean that you want to quit ilx but have fomo. just quit if you want to.
― na (NA), Monday, 6 February 2017 22:34 (seven years ago) link
I've killed loads of threads with really boring posts. Sorry.
― djh, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:36 (seven years ago) link
ILX prevents me from looking too much at the cesspool that is much of the rest of the internet these days so it's still invaluable as far as I'm concerned.
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:37 (seven years ago) link
Our pizzagates are much better
― wins, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:39 (seven years ago) link
i like how fairly chill ILX is, the drama is certainly a lot less these days, our biggest -gates in the past involved some really batshit things and nowadays it rarely rises beyond the level of sean spicer dlp9001 vs dippin dots spotify.
― nomar, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:50 (seven years ago) link
I really like ilx and even ilxors for the most part
― ogmor, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:58 (seven years ago) link
I like how the last two posts were from nomar and ogmor.
― MarkoP, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:59 (seven years ago) link
I would love to post more but I spend all my precious little free time just trying stay current on any given thread. An example is our monthly Trump threads: you step away for two or three days and there's a like 1500 new messages. You guys post and link to a lot of great shit (I basically get my news from ILX and recs from ILB and ILM), so I read most of what is posted/linked, leaving no time for posting. Not that I have anything interesting to say, mind.
― Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Monday, 6 February 2017 22:59 (seven years ago) link
Oh! I Always Get Those Two Mixed Up! [Started by New Mark H (New MarkH) in January 2007, last updated yesterday by Wimmels on I Love Everything] 5 new answers (xp)
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 6 February 2017 23:00 (seven years ago) link
I have never confused myself with nomar, you guys are thick imo
― ogmor, Monday, 6 February 2017 23:07 (seven years ago) link
No, I've never mixed you two up either, but dow and dowd is another matter.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 6 February 2017 23:20 (seven years ago) link
The problem w clusterfucks is that if you're in any way an emotionally healthy person they are deeply unpleasant to be in the eye of which trains you not to start or participate in them again which winnows the field― Mordy, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:18 (one hour ago) Permalink
― Mordy, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:18 (one hour ago) Permalink
This is spot on. I'd easily post twice as much if I didn't have to worry about getting on the wrong side of a grumpy regular.
I come here for both the music and the music writing. I don't care if it's detailed critical insight or just a pleasant "I like this album, check it out," they both have value to me, and even the pleasantry posts can incite good conversation. The hostility just kills it before it even begins, though.
― Evan R, Monday, 6 February 2017 23:31 (seven years ago) link
(Should also stress that 95% of users are delightful and great to interact with, and that I still love this community. It just has a small toxic element that I think some of the long timers here don't even notice anymore)
― Evan R, Monday, 6 February 2017 23:33 (seven years ago) link
I'd easily post twice as much if I didn't have to worry about getting on the wrong side of a grumpy regular.
And this goes tenfold for women.
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 6 February 2017 23:38 (seven years ago) link
i don't notice it. you guys are pussycats for the most part. or pussy hats. one or the other. but that's fine. we've got big and bold in the white house now. chill is good.
x-post
― scott seward, Monday, 6 February 2017 23:39 (seven years ago) link
quite the unfortunate crosspost too
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 6 February 2017 23:39 (seven years ago) link
― na (NA), Monday, February 6, 2017 2:34 PM (one hour ago
partly that, partly also tfw someone revives an old thread and i am reminded of how obnoxious i was in my youth
― the late great, Monday, 6 February 2017 23:40 (seven years ago) link
Clusterfucks and antagonism are the worst
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 6 February 2017 23:41 (seven years ago) link
"quite the unfortunate crosspost too"
haha, i didn't mean it to be!
― scott seward, Monday, 6 February 2017 23:42 (seven years ago) link
"Clusterfucks and antagonism are the worst"
every long thread gets called a clstrfk now and that's not what i meant when i was talking about really long posts from the old days. they were just crazy long conversations and x-posts galore and kinda nuts but fun and not always antagonistic.
― scott seward, Monday, 6 February 2017 23:44 (seven years ago) link
I know one when I see one -- I have been here for a decade! (???!!!) I'm not talking about verbose old posts.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 6 February 2017 23:49 (seven years ago) link
all said, I can't (don't want to) imagine some decisive end to ILM. The truth is I'll probably be here till it's just six of us just going "boy, the Replacements sure were good though, weren't they?"
― Wimmels, Monday, 6 February 2017 23:55 (seven years ago) link
― scott seward
yeah i don't miss those days. god knows i spent enough time flaming people on usenet and it wasn't a good use of my time. people who want to be debate champions can go on twitter.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Monday, 6 February 2017 23:59 (seven years ago) link
I'm still haunted by a post I very nearly made years ago because I completely misunderstood a thread. There's an alternate world RAG still being mocked for it.
I wish some of the posters who see an incredible number of films would decribe, praise and sell the best things they're seeing a bit more.
I hope Monster Mash comes back someday after he recovers from whatever he was going through.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 00:04 (seven years ago) link
i liked it back then. i wouldn't have the energy for it now. and it was new to me back then. i started going online for the first time in 1999. and i never ever talked to people about that stuff in real life prior to ilx.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 00:05 (seven years ago) link
now i just come here to get away from Facebook. or ILE anyway. not ILM so much. facebook such a curse to me. and yet i can't stay away from it completely. i try i really try.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 00:09 (seven years ago) link
I quit Facebook a few years ago and never missed it. A lot of people at the time said "you'll be back!" but I have honestly never even been tempted. This isn't to brag, because I'm still on Twitter, Instagram, and, well, here. I just found that Facebook, more than the others, seemed to necessitate me refreshing refreshing refreshing and getting into long, spiraling-out-of-control debates about minutiae, and it was just made for way too much indoor staring-at-a-screen time
― Wimmels, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 00:13 (seven years ago) link
I'm pretty sure most people here don't want to talk to me and I often receive no responses or my post ends up being the one that kills all conversational momentum. lol and yet I'm still here.
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 00:31 (seven years ago) link
loving your work
― nashwan, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 00:49 (seven years ago) link
"we never did work out which one was his name"
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 00:50 (seven years ago) link
As a relatively new person here (joined in 2013? 2014? around then), even I have noticed it die down a bit compared to that first year or so. I was introduced by another ILMer - she knew I'd love this place as a massive music nerd. And she was right.
Soooo invite your friends you know who would love this kind of over the top pedantic subjective discourse about the thing we love most: vibrating sound waves.
― octobeard, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 01:03 (seven years ago) link
We just need to recruit one influential millennial and soon their whole network will be coming over. Let's get our core brand proposition straight before we start though.
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 02:31 (seven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT6th_qUsAAp-Hl.jpg
― soref, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 02:40 (seven years ago) link
Welcome to ILX! Your official online resource for everything Car Seat Headrest!
http://static.stereogum.com/uploads/2015/08/carseatheadrest-640x426.jpg
― scott seward, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 03:06 (seven years ago) link
You do realize you killed that thread, right?
― sleeve, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 04:23 (seven years ago) link
i spent a lot of time on ilm in my 20s, when i wasn't particularly invested in my day job but *was* very invested in participating in smart conversations about music and pop culture. ilx was a great distraction from work because it seemed to always be active; you could refresh every minute or two and find a new updated thread. it was also thrilling as a young wannabe critic to have a place to shoot the shit and try out theories without feeling like i wasn't qualified to join in. i quickly fell in love with the whole culture of ilx and the various personalities who inhabited it. (not that i got along with everyone, but i never felt unwelcome -- except maybe on the noise board in its early days.)
anyway, i've spent less time on ilm in the past few years for a couple reasons. the first is that i've become more interested and engaged in my day job and less interested in the specific rewards that i was getting out of ilm. while i still listen to a lot of new music, i feel like i've been gradually drifting away from "the conversation" that surrounds it; being in the thick of current music-critical discourse simply isn't as important to me as it once was. the other difference, as some people have noted, is social media. if i'm looking for a quick distraction during the day, twitter is more reliably effective at feeding me interesting/amusing content and giving me the occasional hit of attention, without requiring much sustained engagement.
― Wozniak on Kimye's Baby (jaymc), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 07:36 (seven years ago) link
btw, since it came up earlier, i've never much cared for the rolling ilm threads, because i've never felt invested in genres per se, and they seem like they're intended for people who are. i guess they can be useful as sources of recommendations, but i've sometimes felt stifled and overwhelmed by the context: "this is where people who are more devoted to this genre than you are have already been talking about it with each other for months."
― Wozniak on Kimye's Baby (jaymc), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 07:37 (seven years ago) link
But it also makes me wonder why I bother reviving old threads about some Krautrock band or some new thing I just discovered just to get one or two responses before the thread dies again (and yes, xp, in my experience, this does happen). Don't know what I'm expecting, necessarily--maybe nothing?--but yeah, I dunno.
the secret is that those threads will never die, my friend
you just have to wait for everything to come back around, one, two, five, ten years
― j., Tuesday, 7 February 2017 07:43 (seven years ago) link
billstevejim totally rules
― gaznevada coombes (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 09:06 (seven years ago) link
This is it, I think.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 10:18 (seven years ago) link
But how is that different from threads about an artist or about an album? You could just as easily describe them as "this is where people who are more devoted to this artist/album than you are have already been talking about it with each other for months."
I don't get the rolling threads hate at all. Seems like a good place to find music and share music. And more convenient than dealing with 100 separate threads about a single album with just 3 posts in each. It's not like if you decide to post in them then you can no longer take part in the other kind of threads.
― Dinsdale, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 12:02 (seven years ago) link
1. people don't like feeling like dilettantes2. expertise was, at least until recently, over-rated3. comfy little establishments full of regulars are not always the most inviting places
― ogmor, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 12:08 (seven years ago) link
Just because: rolling genre threads from last year last updated this year with total number of posts in each:
R&B - 433House & techno - 402Outernational - 397NotIndiePop/Shambhala - 220Eno/Pop-Punk - 197Pop - 93Soca/Chutney/Jab - 86Grime - 55Eastern Pop - 37Noise - 33
― nashwan, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 12:20 (seven years ago) link
There was also a rolling rap and a rolling dancehall/reggae thread.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 12:23 (seven years ago) link
And a rolling afropop thread: Rolling Afrobeats / Afropop 2016
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 12:26 (seven years ago) link
The 2016 rap thread: rolling industry plant thread 2016The 2016 dancehall & reggae thread: rolling dancehall & reggae 2016
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 12:28 (seven years ago) link
aye but not accessible from the 'last 1-4 weeks' links so didn't include
― nashwan, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 12:29 (seven years ago) link
cue bitter people obsessed with the elusive "gatekeepers" of good hip music or whatever.
― lute bro (brimstead), Thursday, 4 February 2016 10:57 Bookmark
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 12:30 (seven years ago) link
lol Industry Planet appears to be the post count winner by huge distance fwiw
Nice to see Outernational among the busier ones - broader scope for inclusion I guess
― nashwan, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 12:35 (seven years ago) link
true ilm heads know we been had rolling threads since the early 00s but back then they were only about jay z and nas
― adam, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 12:39 (seven years ago) link
fucking hillis
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 12:46 (seven years ago) link
hopefully goes w/o saying that i pray evan r's mysterious antagonist is finally apprehended and brought to justice so that we may all bask in twice as many "harmless opinions" who among us can forget shimmering, lambent pearls like Really inviting, easygoing, interestingly produced R&B songs from one of the genre's all-time most charismatic singers or the scintillating It really depends on the situation. If I'm cooking dinner or something I'll reach for this, but if I'm in car and can easily skip tracks I'll go for.... has it really only been eight years?
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 12:58 (seven years ago) link
rolling metal is always really long:
Rolling Metal 2016
― scott seward, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 13:00 (seven years ago) link
Another reason I dislike rolling threads, adding to jaymc's otm summation: maybe I use ILM differently than some of you, but for me the appeal isn't necessarily that it's always happening in real time. When I hear, say, some old Van Dyke Parks record, or an album by an artist I have somehow just discovered despite them being around for years (most recent example: Yagya), I'm not going to search individual posts to see what ILM thinks about these things, I search threads. It's always been fun to spend some time reading the accumulated thoughts of the community (not just the most recent posters with the biggest mouths). For me, ILM acts as a comprehensive archive of thoughtful people with general good taste, not a constantly active source of serotonin spikes like Twitter. Maybe I'm using ILM wrong?
This may also explain why the absence of the search function has rattled me so!
― Wimmels, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 13:09 (seven years ago) link
i'm the same way. though i'm sure if i scrolled down a lot of rolling threads i would hear lots of good stuff. i just don't keep up with current stuff. but i think those threads are fun for people who do. sometimes i will scroll through the metal threads and click on stuff that gott punch and siegbran post links to.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 13:17 (seven years ago) link
For everyone complaining about the broken search, just add "site:ilxor.com" to your Google search.
― ArchCarrier, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 13:27 (seven years ago) link
Yeah I've barely used the internal search function in years - Googling makes it easier to pull up weird shit when all you remember is a particular phrase and the fact that you posted on the thread.
baffled by that r|t|c post - who's being quoted?
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 13:52 (seven years ago) link
google method can't turn up stuff on hidden borads though
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 13:55 (seven years ago) link
the first quote is me, on chris brown. the second is me, also on chris brown
― ( ^_^) (Lamp), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 13:57 (seven years ago) link
Rolling threads can be useful, but difficult places for lurkers to jump in. I tried to follow some Rolling threads back in the day but it was usually critics writing about advance releases I didn't have access to until weeks or months later, at which point discussion had ended.
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 13:58 (seven years ago) link
that's the rolling metal promo thread!
― Odysseus, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 14:07 (seven years ago) link
This rolling threads argument again? It's not as if anyone complaining about them actually posts on single-track threads when they get made either so whatever really, if you want single-artist threads try starting them.
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 14:10 (seven years ago) link
and the toxicity and aggression was 100 times worse circa 2008 or so
hopefully goes w/o saying that i pray evan r's mysterious antagonist is finally apprehended and brought to justice so that we may all bask in twice as many "harmless opinions"who among us can forget shimmering, lambent pearls like Really inviting, easygoing, interestingly produced R&B songs from one of the genre's all-time most charismatic singers or the scintillating It really depends on the situation. If I'm cooking dinner or something I'll reach for this, but if I'm in car and can easily skip tracks I'll go for.... has it really only been eight years?― r|t|c, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 12:58 (one hour ago) Permalink
who among us can forget shimmering, lambent pearls like Really inviting, easygoing, interestingly produced R&B songs from one of the genre's all-time most charismatic singers or the scintillating It really depends on the situation. If I'm cooking dinner or something I'll reach for this, but if I'm in car and can easily skip tracks I'll go for.... has it really only been eight years?
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 12:58 (one hour ago) Permalink
So yeah, he's referring to my post. Not exactly the height of deep criticism, I admit, but I explained my relationship with an album I'm enjoying in a thread about that album, and for some reason it set him off like blood in a shark tank.
Maybe some people really get a kick out of that? But it sure didn't make me feel good, nor did it facilitate any discussion in the thread. To me it just sent the message "don't post here or I'll destroy you."
― Evan R, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 14:14 (seven years ago) link
i love music
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 14:33 (seven years ago) link
^ this
― ArchCarrier, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 14:40 (seven years ago) link
yes.
there are some weirdos here who hate themselves and mostly post shitty things on ILM but I think they are mostly Britishes and I think that's part of their national identity or something. must be the weather.
― droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 14:42 (seven years ago) link
honestly adam i don't see what on earth offended him. i don't want to call out any one particular person as "The Problem" or w/e but yeah i think one of the reasons facebook succeeds for me is because public discourse on the internet is just full of this sort of thing, drive-bys wanting to score zing points on your life experience. if i'm going to say anything interesting or meaningful (and to save the zing cru time, i'm not) i'm probably not going to say it in a public forum.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 14:43 (seven years ago) link
jaymc on the money. I've got a better, more interesting, more demanding job than I had 10+ years ago, I'm married, I've got a 2-year-old daughter, I'm not writing about music for anyone anymore, I developed other hobbies (than writing); I still listen to and buy loads of music, but my life is radically different.
Can't say I took it to social media instead though; I've abandoned twitter.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 15:04 (seven years ago) link
i always view ilx through sna so i don't distinguish much between ilm and the other boards. but ilx is still one of the best place to talk about music imo. facebook, eh, i have only a few friends who are really into music and the rest post something like "hey, recommend new music to me" and there's no discussion, just random recommendations. twitter i use mostly to follow current news and people in my professional field. whoever said they "just trust ilx" more was right on imo, people here are usually smart and knowledgeable. i was not around during the early ilx years so that mythical past was never as meaningful to me as other long-timers.
btw this feels otm:
btw, since it came up earlier, i've never much cared for the rolling ilm threads, because i've never felt invested in genres per se, and they seem like they're intended for people who are. i guess they can be useful as sources of recommendations, but i've sometimes felt stifled and overwhelmed by the context: "this is where people who are more devoted to this genre than you are have already been talking about it with each other for months."― Wozniak on Kimye's Baby (jaymc), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 2:37 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Wozniak on Kimye's Baby (jaymc), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 2:37 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
especially when there are posters chastising others for "freeloading" off of genre nerds whose literal day jobs require them to keep up and write about new music
― marcos, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 15:16 (seven years ago) link
This is the only place I go. I don't use social media. 95% of the twitter I see is via links people post here. I sometimes log on Facebook and feel weirdly resentful of those that actually made meaningful friendships back in college and have stayed in touch. Then I log out and come back here to watch people snark at each other. I also check certain places on reddit for news on specific hobby topics.
― Evan, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 15:21 (seven years ago) link
In my case 'social media' as such has served its purpose -- I had to step away from it beyond professional purposes for a number of reasons in the end, but one was the growing realization that a variety of people were using my feed as a specific news source above all else. No joke, this was told to me more than once. Flattering but also kinda unrewarding beyond the 'Hmm, gee, this one got a lot of RTs/likes' feeling, compounded by a suspicion that many of the most vocal people in this regard were (bluntly put) straight white dudes like me who seemed to think I was their guide to pointing out authors who weren't straight white dudes like them. Instead of, you know, taking my hint and doing more of that themselves rather than using me as a safe lens for it (or, more than once, pulling a boneheaded move of arguing a point with someone in my comments who wasn't a SWD, then agreeing with the point when I came in and backed up the commenter they were arguing with, apparently because they were comfortable with me saying it instead -- THAT was charming). Combined with the fact that FB/Twitter devolved -- or achieved its ultimate goal -- in becoming a 24 hour news channel without respite or time to reflect or react, which the 2016 shitshow made infinitely worse, and I didn't want to spend my day dealing with endless streams of 'here's the new fucked up thing' restated 100 different ways every five seconds.
As such, ILX feels...calmer. Strangely. In the meantime I've gotten back into writing longer emails and physical letters again, and I rather enjoy it.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 15:25 (seven years ago) link
I've posted more in the past year (although little on ilm), but more out of the fact I've had more waiting time at work and have had some life changes that lend well to interacting on ilx in little snippets
lurking here over ten years ago.. ok, nearly fifteen years ago.. I hardly posted because I wasn't sure what I'd be able to add to the conversation. lots of people having ideas about music and able to express themselves confidently in prose. still remember the one time I chimed in on a discussion and described the atmosphere of a song and someone (maybe Tim F?) liked my description and it made my day
I used to be very ilm-centric in how I found new music (and read a lot of blogs, review sites) but now it's more established channels (genre-specific sites and retailers, things I see locally, satellite radio) and some of the music's never even been mentioned on ilm! or it's listed in a single post and I don't feel like chiming in. should probably start a thread in that case.
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 15:33 (seven years ago) link
I have to also say that Ned has cemented himself as an on- and off-board legend and his legacy is safe regardless of whether he posts any further here
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 15:34 (seven years ago) link
With me, I never got to the point where I was doing social media "right". Half the stuff I post to my feed are these five thousand word essays what I write three days after everybody else stops caring (which means I disappear up my own fundus a lot but it's at least my own stupidity and not somebody else's). My Facebook feed is mostly just me and my revanchist Usenet friends who haven't died yet.
I post here more than I should because I'm going through some serious life changes and things are a little unsettled for me right now.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 15:39 (seven years ago) link
As a music resource this place is peerless, although the knackered search function has sort of fucked up access to the old music goodies in the archive for now. I remember the moment when I discovered ILM. I was reading some bollox music review in '09 and googled "hypnagogic pop"!
― calzino, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 15:47 (seven years ago) link
Worst "genre" created by a journalist part 4534547668686 : 'Hypnagogic Pop' by David Keenan.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 15:49 (seven years ago) link
I found ILX googling for "Charalambides" iirc
(twelve years pass)
― sleeve, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 15:51 (seven years ago) link
there were a handful of migrants from other music communities over the years that populated ilm in waves. maybe finding the right spot to plant a seed would lure in unsuspecting new blood. or lead to catastrophe
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 15:53 (seven years ago) link
ilms not too bad
― nxd, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 15:55 (seven years ago) link
With me, I never got to the point where I was doing social media "right"
yeah, when I see Scott talking about running Facebook music groups and whatnot, I wonder "How is that possible?" All I ever see on FB is people arguing about Israel, memeing Trump, and calling for the head of some white male poet.
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 15:56 (seven years ago) link
When it comes to music I'm an obscurantist with an unhealthy fixation on the 1970s. I'm used to thread-killing, because man what the hell can you _say_ about Miriam Backhouse? I can't think of anything.
I like ILM and ILX because there are other obscurantists out there, evangelical in the same tentative way I am, and also because it pushes me outside of my comfort zone a lot. This has helped me get through some difficult times.
But at the same time I understand that people who spend all their time posting on Internet message boards, whether or not they're "trolls", are usually pretty messed up people. When I'm feeling better and saner I post less.
I don't know how I got here, or when.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 15:59 (seven years ago) link
compareIt really depends on the situation. If I'm cooking dinner or something I'll reach for this, but if I'm in car and can easily skip tracks I'll go for Looking 4 Myself
andputting that noble idea of album as microwave muzak aside for a sec and considering the holistic artistic statement then i still think that, at the time, l4m said something interesting for itself as a grab-bag. there were plenty of other grab-bags then, disjointed and nakedly cynical - imo l4m managed to carry a rare thread of touristic enthusiasm thru its peaks & valleys of tasteful & trash
Both of these posts express the exact same opinion about l4m, except rtc adds the notion that "Looking 4 Myself" includes skippable tracks in a transcendent and artistic way, which is an empty bullshit opinion from an empty bullshit person, and only a reality-challenged person (coughdeejcough) could find any apophenic tea leaf use in a bullshit post like that.
rtc, scratch a penny on your thesaurusisms and you're every bit as skim milk as ilx's most skim milk poster. Being a little more quotably eye-roll-worthy won't cover up your flaccid mediocrity or your internalized high school pecking order trauma, and it won't fix whatever neurosis you're working through on the internet instead of in front of a therapist.
― bamcquern, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:01 (seven years ago) link
hey we just figured out why people hate ilm
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:03 (seven years ago) link
Therapists, unfortunately, are mostly useless. I know, the client is always wrong--but still.
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:05 (seven years ago) link
Just a bit of casual xenophobia, let's be cool.
― Bongo Herbert (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:06 (seven years ago) link
hey now, you guys were dour before brexit
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:08 (seven years ago) link
and tbf I post a lot here, am shitty and hate myself, and I've never even been to the britishes
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:10 (seven years ago) link
tbf i'm american i think i threatened to kill whiney once because of something he said abt mr. bungle :/
shit used to get waaaaaay more heated than it does now
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:14 (seven years ago) link
I think there's maybe a divide between ppl who see posting to ilm as a kind of music journalism, a way of conveying ideas and hypotheses etc, and ppl who see it more as a way of socialising, like chatting about football or the weather or whatever. if you're in the latter camp then it doesn't matter if the content of your opinion is interesting or original, because that's not really the point.
― soref, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:15 (seven years ago) link
sometimes I would like a board I could post to for ppl who don't have anything worthwhile to say but who are lonely and would like to poll some 35 year old album or something so I wouldn't feel guilty about cluttering ilm up with that sort of thing
― soref, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:17 (seven years ago) link
― mh 😏, Tuesday, February 7, 2017 10:53 AM (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
christ I know (hope?) this isn't what you were going for but I can already see it:
A: man, we really need more new posters, particularly womenB: I KNOW LET'S POST ON /mu/
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:23 (seven years ago) link
NO
what's the 2017 version of a belle & sebastian email list and do we want them here
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:24 (seven years ago) link
xxp Yeah, I mean, ilm can be both, right? You can exchange substantial arguments as well as quickie opinions. And often those quickie posts stir greater conversation. Look at the Carly Rae Jepsen thread, for instance. There's not a lot of profundity in any given post. Users are discussing a song they like, not filing a Pitchfork review. But that casual discussion can still yield some interesting takeaways
― Evan R, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:25 (seven years ago) link
Liking music is not all opinion-jockeying. I barely even care about my own opinions; I'd like information/context/history. Clearly I'm in the minority but I still exist.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:27 (seven years ago) link
^^ tom
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:31 (seven years ago) link
I think there's maybe a divide between
classic koganian 'hallway / classroom' theme on ilm, in this thread on simon frith and others:
Simon Frith's "Performing Rites : On the Value of Popular Music "
― j., Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:32 (seven years ago) link
otm rather. I'll tell you what's changed in the last decade: the proliferation of Autocorrect
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:32 (seven years ago) link
includes skippable tracks in a transcendent and artistic way, which is an empty bullshit opinion from an empty bullshit person
erm is this truly such a headscratcher my guy? it is only really bullshit if u float around deciding thgat trax are empirically good/bad and remain rigidly discrete regardless of context, which is... not the case... like... at all, so welcome to 20th century art i guess
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:35 (seven years ago) link
guys stop it, this is the war room
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:38 (seven years ago) link
it's funny because people seem down on the rolling threads but to me those threads have some of the best discussion and also pretty friendly sense of community IMO
also the 70s album title thread is the best thing in the history of the Internet
I actually feel like ILX has a much healthier relationship w/classic rock now, a sort of acceptance of its awesomeness but at the same time not overly reverential and a kinda ironic silliness about it, much better than the GET OUT OF MY ROOOOM DAAAD petulance or YOURE A FUCKING IDIOT IF YA DONT LIKE THE BEATELS stances of early ILX
frankly look at really old ILX threads and check out shit from like the early 2000s a lot of opinions that aren't very high level that wouldn't fly back then
if anything we've just had a lot of opinions and learned to be better at posting and so lots of old posts i would have made i wouldn't make now because i recognize them as dumb, so that's probably some account for the decline in volume
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:40 (seven years ago) link
tbh i am starting to suspect that bamquern has maybe not been hkm all along after all
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:40 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, I'm with soref and Evan R. on this - miscellaneous non-groundbreaking, non-artist-discovering chat about music can still be a wonderful thing, and it is still better on ILM than anywhere else!
I don't think I've ever helped nurture a new artist here or, probably, introduced anybody to anything at all but if I'm gonna shoot the shit about 90s rock I grew up with or 70s no-cred bullshit I'm getting into now, or indulge in some trainspotting diversion like New Jersey hunting or whatever, it's gonna be more fun on this website than with most randos I might meet at a bar. I mean out there in the world ''they're inauthentic and don't play their own instruments'' still counts for critical insight into pop, in most small-talk situations.
Then there's stuff like artst ballot polls, which might seem to the ''ILM is where the cutting edge reveals new music'' crowd like the most pointless of exercises, but I find that kind of deep book-club (mixed with giddy fan club) thing really great- there are like hundreds of songs I hear differently because of some story someone on here told about what it meant to them at a certan time in theiir life, or how the way this one line is sung is the key to the whole thing, or check out the mournful bongos coming in after the chorus, or whatever the fuck.... I think all that's super great and ime hasn't really gone away at all?
New blood, and more diverse blood, would absolutely be good things, but I don't think it tells the whole story to say ILM's on the skids just because it's no longer the #1 place where a certain critical mass of crtics and young listeners go to eagerly consume and parse out what's current and hot.
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:41 (seven years ago) link
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 11:27 AM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yea i agree w/ this. like i remember making some offhand post a long time ago in one of the solo guitar / post-fahey folk threads about listening to zia mohiuddin dagar a lot and his influence on jack rose and then a bunch of people chimed in w/ very knowledgeable and interesting posts on the dagar family, structure and compositions of ragas, influence of indian classical music on a bunch of these american guitarists, it was great. ilm still has that kind of thing
― marcos, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:44 (seven years ago) link
Liking music is not all opinion-jockeying. I barely even care about my own opinions; I'd like information/context/history.
yeah very OTM
btw some of the "don't be mean" posters seem to work themselves up into the wildest, ad hominest invective at the first opportunity so i'm not sure who exactly is supposed to be carrying the personal baggage around here - somebody laughs at your opinions, well, that's what opinions are for
― sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:45 (seven years ago) link
Tbf this probably depends a lot on prior life experience - I imagine that if you are someone who has not typically been welcomed into the back of the record store to shoot the shit about music (insert: gendered social behavior, nerd hardmannery, etc etc), then what reads to the insider as a hey-we're-all-zinging-here opinion-laugh can operate much more as a barrier to newcomers.
I'm getting deja vu as I type this, so I'm pretty sure we have whole threads about this in particular but it'd be something to keep in mind - freewheeling putdowns of perceived dumb opinions are ONE way of carrying on music nerd social banter but maybe the cons outweigh whatever the pros are.
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:49 (seven years ago) link
The purpose of ILX is to show the fly the way out of the fly bottle.
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:49 (seven years ago) link
Sure, but let's not pretend that doesn't curb or at times completely stifle the discourse here. I'm a full-time critic who avoids posting in certain threads, simply because I'm confrontation-adverse and don't have the energy to deal with one incessant troll. If that's the kind of forum you want, fine, but can we least stop pretending why it's a mystery that a 20-year-old college student (or for that matter a woman of any experience level) wouldn't feel comfortable posting here?
― Evan R, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:51 (seven years ago) link
re: "don't be mean" -- I feel like something of a broken record here but what reads as "being mean" to men often reads as "trolling potentially leading to worse" to women
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:52 (seven years ago) link
^^^^^^^^
― Evan R, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:53 (seven years ago) link
(I've also seen countless discussion forums/usenets/facebook groups/etc. collapse or dissolve due to unmoderated and/or shrugged-off trolling; ILM is not a unique haven of people who just tell it like it is, this is one of the cliche patterns)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:53 (seven years ago) link
absolutely katherine, but i've also seen a lot of posters exasparated at meanies who are taking the piss out of their regressive opinions. some of the biggest stomp-offs have been from people who couldn't understand why they've been taken to task for saying basically unacceptable shit
― sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:55 (seven years ago) link
It's ok to insult people if they started it. You scumbags.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:55 (seven years ago) link
sure, but when people talk about an atmosphere of toxicity, they generally aren't referring to that
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:58 (seven years ago) link
my main takeaway from this thread is how poor we are at assessing ourselves and how similar to every other thread of this nature this is.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:59 (seven years ago) link
there are all kinds of unnecessary forms of verbal aggression from straight out invective to repeated sniping and we should self-police as a community and try to identify the difference between bullying, salty humour, outright discrimination and policing community standards - they can all look like similar forms of behaviour, they can overlap, they can be used inappropriately.
i just believe that some of the time people who want a straightforward "never say anything unkind" policy are asking for a safe space for their own indirect offensiveness, or asking for the board to become something that it became popular through not being
― sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:00 (seven years ago) link
katherine otm.
NV, it seems like maybe you're pinpointing a slightly different phenomenon - people getting defensive when they're called out/FPed for BEING antisocial, beyond the pale, or otherwise trampling the commons, and they accuse the consensus against them of being mean/unfair? But afaict the kind of meanness being identified here as offputting to newcomers is precisely the antisocial commons-trampling stuff. The people stomping off griping about thread- or tone-policing are not the people we're worried about losing (or never attracting to begin with).
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:01 (seven years ago) link
up to a point if you don't have time for people saying your opinion is stupid that's grand, take your stupid opinion elsewehre
― sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:01 (seven years ago) link
Isn't this about behaviour rather than opinions themselves?
Yes. It is.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:03 (seven years ago) link
Katherine otm
Cons of zing-based opinion-centered discourse strongly outweigh the pros for me but I'm among those who has rarely been invited to engage in those conversational opportunities irl. And I used to work in a record store!
I mentioned it before but ilm was the first place I have been where my entrance into the musical conversation didn't bring it to a screeching halt. It's better now that I'm older but it still happens. At least here I'm just b/w words on a screen.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:03 (seven years ago) link
Xpost Yeah I guess I fall more on the side of ''telling people their opinions are stupid may not really be a great practice'' esp if we're talking about Steely Dan and Parquet Courts, not fascism or whatever. How much air does it really take away from you to let the young eager fan excitedly proclaim that Sgt. Pepper's is, they've been told, the most nfluential and greatest album ever?
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:07 (seven years ago) link
i really think that would depend on where and how they were telling you
― sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:08 (seven years ago) link
i love talking music on here because...jeez i don't know, it's a mess out here in the real world. my friend who i work with likes to talk music a lot. a LOT. he'll tell you about every string cheese incident show he's been too.
― nomar, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:10 (seven years ago) link
You are a patient friend.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:11 (seven years ago) link
then what reads to the insider as a hey-we're-all-zinging-here opinion-laugh can operate much more as a barrier to newcomers.
freewheeling putdowns of perceived dumb opinions are ONE way of carrying on music nerd social banter but maybe the cons outweigh whatever the pros are.
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 7 February 2017
I agree with this. I think there's a lot of brilliant posters on more quiet forums who don't have any time for mockery. I don't want to banish zinging or anything but I think people should be a bit more careful.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:11 (seven years ago) link
Xxpost to NV: Well, okay, how about on an Internet forum where you have the option of skimming right past their post and saying nothing? (Or, if you are a patient and generous sort, offering a polite paragraph on how, indeed, that is a widely held opinion that many of us here might agree with aspects of, or have in the past, but may not be as universally held or objective as you might think, but hey it takes all kinds and welcome to the board, nice to see new folks around here!)
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:12 (seven years ago) link
curious what threads u all are reading? by my watch, there hasn't been a clusterfuck in ~2 years, hell i haven't even read a good zing in at least 18 months
― flopson, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:13 (seven years ago) link
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:41 Bookmark
i) it's never ever just been this
ii) the sort of banal input ur all kumbayaing right now is several billion galaxies away from the curious, thoughtful and righteously inexpert beachcombers ilm was built on who deftly and voraciously negotiated lightness of touch with depth of feeling [wipes tear from eye, throws dogtags into ocean]
iii) just re this nauseatingly spiteful, pernicious and foully mealy-mouthed "genre nerds whose literal day jobs require them to keep up and write about new music" recent meme of matt dc's - plz don't ever confuse the ghoulishly entitled and bizarrely resentful airbnb wanderlusts of ilm's keepin it mediocre dickhole dad posse with how actual regular people with jobs, families and responsibilities engage w/ music, cos they have absolutely nothing whatsoever in common
iv) ftr everyone damn well knows i am not and have never been a bully or a troll and if anyone can point out an occasion when an evan r post has 'yielded some interesting takeaways' i will paypal them 50p
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:13 (seven years ago) link
anyway i feel like i'm moaning about quality control after the fact. it's easy enough to avoid threads about stuff you don't like/stuff that doesn't interest you. if everybody could adopt a policy of staying out of threads that they don't have anything of value to contribute to i think we'd be peachy and peace would reign across the value. oh, and the "music i hate" threads are all terrible because codifying your taste in the negative is for rubes.
peace everybody
― sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:13 (seven years ago) link
I mean out there in the world ''they're inauthentic and don't play their own instruments'' still counts for critical insight into pop, in most small-talk situations.
I agree it's terrible how we've shut out this kind of insight
― wins, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:14 (seven years ago) link
Does r|t|c stand for Robert Thomas Christgau?
― nashwan, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:18 (seven years ago) link
lol fuck off
― marcos, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:18 (seven years ago) link
― wins, Tuesday, February 7, 2017 10:14 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
on the other music board i engage with the real/fake instruments argument happens once a week
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:18 (seven years ago) link
fyi rtc if you strike it through it's still in the post. FP'ed, i have no idea what yr beef with Evan R is but boy are you making a good performative case for the downsides of weird ''opinion not useful enough'' gatekeeping.
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:19 (seven years ago) link
Brad clearly explaining the benefits of the hazing procedure there
― sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:20 (seven years ago) link
as someone relatively new here and much younger than most, this place was indeed pretty intimidating at first due to the sometimes aggressive debates etc. but that seems to have calmed down mostly except for the rare occasion someone is both aggressively overconfident but naive about something?
i don't really know how anyone new would even find this place really these days, i think i stumbled across it via an offhand mention on another board, or it might have been via TSJ sidebar? there's not really anywhere else that comes close
― ufo, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:21 (seven years ago) link
fp's are to be seen and not heard dr cas
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:22 (seven years ago) link
FB/Twitter devolved -- or achieved its ultimate goal -- in becoming a 24 hour news channel without respite or time to reflect or react, which the 2016 shitshow made infinitely worse, and I didn't want to spend my day dealing with endless streams of 'here's the new fucked up thing' restated 100 different ways every five seconds.
word
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/18/73/df/1873df2c5a28fb528a7a9f956f101e70.jpg
yes
I don't think I've ever helped nurture a new artist here or, probably, introduced anybody to anything at all but if I'm gonna shoot the shit about 90s rock I grew up with or 70s no-cred bullshit I'm getting into now, or indulge in some trainspotting diversion like New Jersey hunting or whatever, it's gonna be more fun on this website than with most randos I might meet at a bar. I mean out there in the world ''they're inauthentic and don't play their own instruments'' still counts for critical insight into pop, in most small-talk situations.Then there's stuff like artst ballot polls, which might seem to the ''ILM is where the cutting edge reveals new music'' crowd like the most pointless of exercises, but I find that kind of deep book-club (mixed with giddy fan club) thing really great- there are like hundreds of songs I hear differently because of some story someone on here told about what it meant to them at a certan time in theiir life, or how the way this one line is sung is the key to the whole thing, or check out the mournful bongos coming in after the chorus, or whatever the fuck.... I think all that's super great and ime hasn't really gone away at all?
I probably should take this to the ilxor appreciation thread but dammit I like reading Casino's posts
Anyway, I guess ILM probably isn't that quiet after all and we're probably not going to do anything about a hypothesized decline until it becomes more apparent
― niels, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:23 (seven years ago) link
r|t|c admirably soaring above mediocrity by pointlessly being a dick, great work
― marcos, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:24 (seven years ago) link
i for one will not rest until i've ruined this board for turrican
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:24 (seven years ago) link
Just googled "Miriam Backhouse" btw
ILM lives
― Wimmels, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:25 (seven years ago) link
just re this nauseatingly spiteful, pernicious and foully mealy-mouthed "genre nerds whose literal day jobs require them to keep up and write about new music" recent meme of matt dc's
I've said this maybe once and mostly referring to two people in particular fwiw (and you're not one of them).
plz don't ever confuse the ghoulishly entitled and bizarrely resentful airbnb wanderlusts of ilm's keepin it mediocre dickhole dad posse with how actual regular people with jobs, families and responsibilities engage w/ music, cos they have absolutely nothing whatsoever in common
This is entirely true though but I think everyone deep down knows that anyway.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:25 (seven years ago) link
gosh people are so needlessly mean to bright, enquiring young Turrican
― sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:25 (seven years ago) link
Also you only need to take one look at other message boards to realise that level of traffic and 'meanness' are not exactly inversely proportional, quite the opposite usually, so why this has deteriorated into 'ILX is too mean' yet again I don't know.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:30 (seven years ago) link
FPs should be announced IMO because this is an important signal to those around you, and to lurkers/newbies, that there are standards here and that some noxious dick comment hasn't just passed by with everybody chuckling 'ho, ho, our little scamp, hope he never changes!'
I view this as part of the work of maintaning worthwhile spaces and communities, and tbh it's something I've learned in ILM as much as in my women's studies undergrad days and the various subcultural/vulnerable communities i've been fortunate enough to be welcomed into since then. So if I call out an FP I'm trying to pay that forward. And aww, thanks niels.
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:31 (seven years ago) link
great r|t|c posts
― flopson, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:31 (seven years ago) link
https://pbump.net/files/post/trumphat/make.php?p=Make_ILX%7CMean_Again&h=r
― flopson, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:32 (seven years ago) link
i love talking music on here because...jeez i don't know, it's a mess out here in the real world.― nomar, Tuesday, February 7, 2017 11:10 AM (fourteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:32 (seven years ago) link
i guess this is similar something from a cliched anti-bullying Facebook artist meme but i try to never say anything that will zing anyone too harshly because i don't know what the hell is going on with them in their life at that moment.
― nomar, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:34 (seven years ago) link
Hi y'all.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:35 (seven years ago) link
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:31 Bookmark
okay but ur not getting the 50p
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:40 (seven years ago) link
― flopson
flopson i think that _is_ a good zing
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:42 (seven years ago) link
Also I can see exactly how unpopular everyone actually is and pretty much the only music posts that regularly get people FP'ed are wake-up-sheeple Racoon Tanuki type grandstanding and deservedly so.
There are some pretty obvious reasons why there are fewer and fewer female posters here but I think they're largely unrelated to a few AnCo fans having their music taste laughed at.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:44 (seven years ago) link
― Wimmels
oh i could do this all day for the benefit of the three people who care :)
except at some point i'll probably slip up and start talking about focus, because i'm so deep into it i can't tell the difference between "obscure" and "ubiquitous" anymore :)
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:44 (seven years ago) link
What's is a mediocre post? I don't ever remember people getting angry at posts being low quality (unless it's just bad behaviour). A lot of the time I'm just happy to see anyone talking about whatever band I'm looking up.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:49 (seven years ago) link
What's is a mediocre post?
this one
no i mean this one
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:51 (seven years ago) link
i always think its funny that the most time i spend on ilm is when threads like this pop up. it's kinda funny!
― scott seward, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:51 (seven years ago) link
yeah, I was just thinking how not quiet ILM is today
― Wimmels, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:53 (seven years ago) link
"yeah, when I see Scott talking about running Facebook music groups and whatnot, I wonder "How is that possible?"
i can add you to that group. there are lots of ilxors there. it's not that thrilling though. and i don't really run things. just delete the occasional post that doesn't fit the rules.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:57 (seven years ago) link
I lurk more than I post, and tbh posting on the political threads are easier than the music, film, and book threads: most of us have a common purpose, often taking the form of zings and bad gifs; it takes less effort to be original, and it's more suited for posting at work. I tiptoe into genre threads because I know how specialists behave.
Generally, unless I count Wikipedia, I've learned more from ILE than any site in my lifetime. I've met some good folks too.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:58 (seven years ago) link
(i have such a love/hate thing with facebook. i'll post a lot and then regret it for weeks. and i don't even drink anymore! i just get more self-conscious about it or something and think people must be sick of me/hate me. and yet i have never really cared if people on ilx were sick of me/hated me. i don't know why. and i end up hating other people on facebook in a way that i never have here.)
― scott seward, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:00 (seven years ago) link
i only post on the ilm threads that hew to my dorky taste, but also where there's more of a chill fun vibe & where posters that i "trust" are gathered, more often than not ... if it's ppl complaining about each others opinions or showing off i'll go elsewhere ... competitive opinion-having isn't really my bag except in jest to all caps yell about poll results :)
i do read quite a few ilm threads though i dont always post
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:03 (seven years ago) link
there are good zings and bad zings
ILM wouldn't have been as great as it was without a foundation of clowning received wisdom, kneejerk rockism and disdain towards popular (often female and/or black) artists. And when I joined it was very much the kind of place that inspired you to up your posting game and your critical thought - sometimes leading by example, like when you read an amazing Tom E or Tim F (or rtc) post and sometimes yes, by getting knocked back when you proffered something ignorant or basic. These days I guess there is much less of the former (I sometimes wonder how many relatively-new posters read some of the archived stuff from the start).
And there was definitely a time when it was an incredibly toxic place. Most of those responsible have been kicked off.
Also find it quite amusing how some of the dickhole dad posse were perfectly happy calling me a waste of space in the dogs thread the other week and now piously all about keeping it positive! My goodness.
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:03 (seven years ago) link
(and the same it true of that group. i loved it at first and posted all the time and then it just started to bug me. it's just people posting pictures of what they are listening to and there are good conversations but i just end up feeling sour towards people's GREATEST BESTEST FAVORITE OF ALL TIME THIS RECORD CHANGED MY LIFE posts and all the endless classic rock - like i should talk - but whatever. even the person who started the group doesn't post or moderate anymore! people here are just more my speed. even the people on here i don't really know that well sorta end up interacting like everyone else and they get the vibe for the most part. or they are just smarter. interacting with strangers on the internet though can be.....blahhhh.)
― scott seward, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:06 (seven years ago) link
i have no idea what any of this is about but it's pretty hilarious out of context
― na (NA), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:10 (seven years ago) link
"actual regular people with jobs, families and responsibilities engage w/ music" - this salt of the earth bullshit is not your style, rtc
― pointless rock guitar (Michael B), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:11 (seven years ago) link
and i end up hating other people on facebook in a way that i never have here.)
― scott seward, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:00
Maybe it's the avatars.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:12 (seven years ago) link
ned really should have started a friggin' website for pete's sake. with advertising. get some $$ for all those links. you can make money with link sites, no?
― scott seward, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:13 (seven years ago) link
sometimes leading by example, like when you read an amazing Tom E or Tim F (or rtc) post and sometimes yes, by getting knocked back when you proffered something ignorant or basic
yeah this environment has genuinely improved my writing and thinking on all fronts bc of the above
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:15 (seven years ago) link
i'm trying to think of that long-ass indie-rock thread that miccio started years ago....can't think of the title. stuff like that would never happen now. buncha goofballs!
― scott seward, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:15 (seven years ago) link
it's probably been a while since someone crafted a post in a word document or whatever. some of them were so long and no typos! maybe contenderizer. is he still around? he was like the last stand for going long.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:17 (seven years ago) link
Who and what are the dickhole dads?
I miss contenderizer
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:19 (seven years ago) link
contenderizer is still around, mostly appears in the metal thread once in awhile iirc
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:19 (seven years ago) link
Probably a biker gang or something
xp
― Evan, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:19 (seven years ago) link
https://rlv.zcache.com/the_waking_dad_ls_t_shirt-r85075974937d4ecb8956e0a34473223a_jyr6q_324.jpg
― nomar, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:21 (seven years ago) link
http://i3.cpcache.com/product/855202736/step_aside_coffee_this_is_a_job_for_alcohol_tshi.jpg?width=350&height=350&Filters=%5B%7B%22name%22%3A%22crop%22%2C%22value%22%3A%7B%22x%22%3A58.3%2C%22y%22%3A0%2C%22w%22%3A233.3%2C%22h%22%3A280.0%7D%2C%22sequence%22%3A1%7D%2C%7B%22name%22%3A%22background%22%2C%22value%22%3A%22F2F2F2%22%2C%22sequence%22%3A2%7D%5D
https://rlv.zcache.com/need_coffee_worlds_greatest_dad_t_shirt-r75b9ae3c5ee7468cbdb4009dee64f9c5_jyr6t_324.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b3/e4/14/b3e414a151b8c462e0fc496b98911e1f.jpg
I can't be the only one wondering what was said to make a thread about dogs quite so contentious and personal?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:22 (seven years ago) link
that took a fucking turnxp
― rob, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:22 (seven years ago) link
i for one will not rest until i've ruined this board for turrican― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 5:24 PM (forty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 5:24 PM (forty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Brad - here's a heads up: you won't. Besides, wouldn't it be better to focus that energy on something else, like working on being a half-decent music critic or something? It's of little surprise to see you drag me into this discussion, mind - I otherwise would have been more than happy not to contribute, as much as I've been following the discussion.
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:24 (seven years ago) link
lmao the google alert works
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:25 (seven years ago) link
http://www.mtv.com/news/wp-content/uploads/buzz/2014/03/tumblr_mv5devCpuD1rjwsnho2_500.gif
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:26 (seven years ago) link
see, it's threads like this where i learn there is an epic brad -vs- turrican beef! who knew?
― scott seward, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:26 (seven years ago) link
Re: dickhole dads
Reminds me of how I started hearing about the whitedads category (middle aged white guys putting on a down to earth act, transparently pandering to be cool with the social justice kids)
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:27 (seven years ago) link
I agree with lex about it being way worse ten years ago. I was pretty much jeered at non-stop for my first two years, and I can't really blame them. I mean, I've written some not-good posts in the past week or so, but even those are prob 2000% better than stuff I was saying on the reg in 2006/7
I dont know if imago would back me up on this or not but it is a little strange to see his 'ahahaha' held up as emblematic of current board toxicity when there was practically a genre of threads dedicated to banning him back in the day
― gaznevada coombes (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:28 (seven years ago) link
Next best thing: I ended up with a column:
http://www.nashvillescene.com/music/nashville-cream/article/20850325/neds-atomic-link-bin
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:29 (seven years ago) link
Mm.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:30 (seven years ago) link
I didn't mean the specific comment, more the general exchange.
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:31 (seven years ago) link
btw there is an ilxors version of that group scott mentions. Quite a few ex ilxors from the old days are in it.
Its very relaxed and noone gets mocked for what they post. Anyone who wants to can join
https://www.facebook.com/groups/ilxorsnowplaying/
― Odysseus, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:32 (seven years ago) link
i have a kneejerk reaction to any "things used to be better" hot take about anything but i've been on ilx pretty much since the beginning and i can say with certainty that it has always been good and bad, if not always in the same ways. anyone pining for some golden past of ilx is kidding themselves, same as anyone pining for some golden past of american history or whatever.
― na (NA), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:32 (seven years ago) link
ILX turns 17 in summer. Weird to think about.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:34 (seven years ago) link
almost time for the "ILX: Hot, Ready, and Legal" thread
― nomar, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:35 (seven years ago) link
several xposts:
I've been following the discussion.― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 6:24 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 6:24 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^ I'm just going to leave this here for you again, Brad, since your comprehension skills still haven't seem to have improved.
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:35 (seven years ago) link
sry can't read pls try me again when you're able to express yourself like an adult instead of a ponderous dickhole
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:37 (seven years ago) link
almost time for the "ILX: Hot, Ready, and Legal" thread― nomar, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:35
― nomar, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:35
― Odysseus, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:37 (seven years ago) link
Calling all dickhole dads
― Evan, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link
ugh fighting with turrican isn't fun bc he's really boring, sorry i even brought him up as a joke
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link
"dickhole dads" still haunting me imo
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link
hearing it to the tune of the Flintstone kids vitamin jingle now
― rob, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:39 (seven years ago) link
i am a dad and a dickhole but i feel like those are separate facets of my identity usually idk ask my kids they may disagree
― sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:39 (seven years ago) link
can't believe nomar linked lagoon's entire t-shirt collection upthread
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:43 (seven years ago) link
lmao
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:44 (seven years ago) link
― mh 😏, Tuesday, February 7, 2017
one for the pub and one for the web
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:45 (seven years ago) link
btw Brad the google alert joke was good and I wasn't even aware of this non-beef
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:46 (seven years ago) link
Which dogs thread?
― how's life, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:46 (seven years ago) link
speaking of t-shirt collections u know what the internet is missing? a website that comprehensively catalogues band t-shirts.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:47 (seven years ago) link
I think because ilxors just appear as letters on a screen it's easier to forget which ones told me to fuck off in the past.
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:47 (seven years ago) link
http://tshirtarchive.com/
― ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:48 (seven years ago) link
I like turrican and brad and i wish they didnt hate each other
― Odysseus, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:49 (seven years ago) link
that's kind of what I've been talking about. a newcomer wanders in, the most popular thread is a beef ouroboros. they wander into a thread for their favorite artist; it's dead. they think "hmm, I guess I use Spotify," more beef. or they think "I wonder if I can read some music writing," then discover that the most populated thread is dedicated to shitting on writers, sometimes with obvious reason but sometimes for reasons that lie deep in the depths of music writer drama. and then there is much handwringing about why the newcomer didn't stick around.
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:50 (seven years ago) link
a cardboard box with an angry face drawn on it is still a cardboard box
― wins, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:50 (seven years ago) link
I misread that as a website that comprehensively catalogues bad t-shirts.
probably some overlap
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:51 (seven years ago) link
katherine's post is reminding me of early 90s comic books
"I don't know who any of these badly-drawn characters are or why they're fighting!"
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:52 (seven years ago) link
pls try me again when you're able to express yourself like an adult instead of a ponderous dickhole― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 6:37 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 6:37 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This is priceless coming from you, Brad. May I forward everyone to The 1975 thread to witness Brad's idea of expressing oneself as an adult, which looks remarkably like someone expressing themselves as a 14 year old emo kid.
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:53 (seven years ago) link
http://beeftastic.com/Beef%20tastic%20Head%202.jpg
― Evan, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:53 (seven years ago) link
if only we could find some reason why ILM is so quiet these days
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:54 (seven years ago) link
well done evan
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:54 (seven years ago) link
me/turri beef is not really much of a beef imo. lex was talking upthread about kicking back against received wisdom and turri is a on certain subjects a received wisdom player piano and i like to yell about it. we probably would agree and hug about which genesis records are good, or something
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:55 (seven years ago) link
a cardboard box with an angry face drawn on it is still a cardboard box― wins, Tuesday, February 7, 2017 6:50 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― wins, Tuesday, February 7, 2017 6:50 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Calling oneself "wins" doesn't make one a winner either.
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:55 (seven years ago) link
I mean it's true, I can't keep track of who hates me let alone who hates other people
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:55 (seven years ago) link
buddy I haven't even gotten around to listening to the 1975, now you want me to read a thread about em?
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:55 (seven years ago) link
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 6:50 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the only one of these that's a new thing for the current era of ilx is #2 (I'm sure there were Soulseek beefs back in the day).
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:58 (seven years ago) link
so weird when people come in my store and they know me from here and they never post!!! they are always nice though.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:04 (seven years ago) link
YSI Justice vs Simian beefs RIP.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:04 (seven years ago) link
lol I read part of the 1975 thread and the offending behavior is literally chiming in "this band sucks" combined with the classic i know more about this band and their origins and what they're going for so i can tell you objectively they suck routine I pulled when I genuinely didn't understand other human beings as a kid
this is not rational, normal human behavior but wow it's classic messageboard stuff
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:06 (seven years ago) link
on the other hand one of my fave things about lex (hi lex!) is his ability to complain about music without making it personal about the people who do like that music
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:07 (seven years ago) link
lex is a force for good.
man, people used to be HOUNDED out of this place. it was brutal. it really is not like that now.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:08 (seven years ago) link
I feel like that's a subtle dog thread jab. Typical dickhole dad child bias
― Evan, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:10 (seven years ago) link
once the dickholes turned into dads things softened up around here
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/the-smartiest-persons/images/5/53/Bob-saget-o.gif/revision/latest?cb=20140911212440
― nomar, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:10 (seven years ago) link
i know this post reads ridiculously, but its funny to read through this thread for posts that are clearly intended to be about me LOL
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:11 (seven years ago) link
http://beefzilla.com/00%20Crave%20tastic%20Black%20900%20x%20200.jpg
― Evan, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:13 (seven years ago) link
theres an old ilx spirit of challenging conventional wisdom that the Nice Dads crew have kind of given up over the years, in response to a stronger-than-ever critical consensus reinforced by the appearance of popular consensus through social media that has in many ways had a strangling power on what had been "poptimist" discourse. not that my own proclivities could be reduced to poptimism, but it was preferable to the imagined wisdom of crowds based on a silo'd social media experience for sure
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:15 (seven years ago) link
i told my kid today that i wanted to kill myself and kill everyone else around me. all because he was playing annoying youtubers on his phone trying to find out if tweetypie or whoever is an alt-nazi. i'm trying to quit smoking. he understood. i apologized. also, i was playing youtubes of ilx's fave albums of 2016 on the t.v. and the phone noise was bugging me. then i left the house. and ilx is soothing me. the walk in the snow with the other kid helped too.
talk about a dick dad!
― scott seward, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:16 (seven years ago) link
xp I think I get what you're going for but I'm going to request you send that in for editing
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:16 (seven years ago) link
the preferences for historical context and information over critical opinion is a false choice, reams of information, data, and 'authority' are attempts at disguising ideology cmon guys
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:16 (seven years ago) link
― mh 😏, Tuesday, February 7, 2017 1:16 PM (fifteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
guys, i have a day job. i don't have time to respond to this mean criticism
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:17 (seven years ago) link
at a university or in Chuck Todd's green room, sure. Not on a message board.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:18 (seven years ago) link
i don't know what that means. i need a translator.
x-poop
― scott seward, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:18 (seven years ago) link
I have listened to every artist your new "favorite" has been compared to, and also listened to all the bands he has cited as influencing his sound. Therefore, I am most qualified to say.. he sucks. Bad. He's worse than all of his influences, sounds nothing like them, and also is the worst.
also he's subjectively bad
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:18 (seven years ago) link
are you still talking about deej
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:19 (seven years ago) link
sorry I'm still giggling at this posting style and will be rolling it around in my head for a while
nah I'm riffing off posts in a thread I skimmed
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:20 (seven years ago) link
I think I get what you're going for but I'm going to request you send that in for editing
stop leeching off this poster's content
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:20 (seven years ago) link
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/a/ac/Taz_2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110617212711
Shut Up I'm Still Talking About Deej
― how's life, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:21 (seven years ago) link
omg
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:22 (seven years ago) link
lets have a thread where we passive aggressively talk about posters we dont like but sort of make it about, you know, the funny effects of the passage of time
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:23 (seven years ago) link
j/k deej I love you
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:23 (seven years ago) link
deej is a valuable and likable member of the ILM community
― nomar, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:26 (seven years ago) link
Complaining about their kids is a different story tho...
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:27 (seven years ago) link
yeah I'm not going to step to him on issues of pets, kids, or sandwiches
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:28 (seven years ago) link
I've posted my fair share of stuff that has no insight but I think there is a difference between replies which are "I don't agree and you should rethink because of Reasons XY&Z" and "hahaha fuck off."
Also if light conversation type "I like this it is good" posts lead to a reply from one of the greater critical thinkers around here who can illuminate a piece of music and enhance its pleasures etc I don't see how that is a bad thing in itself.
― boxedjoy, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:30 (seven years ago) link
also I think that the mentality of "let's be mean/tough/whatever because life is like that" which I've noticed in a few threads (such as the missing Fred B) one is grim, other people's shitty attitudes and behaviours shouldn't be an excuse for your own.
― boxedjoy, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:34 (seven years ago) link
i think a lot of times who is being "shitty" has a lot more to do with who is afforded the benefit of the doubt, who is reflecting the egos of the people liable to be agreed with—who is reflecting a consensus view—than it is anything to do w/ a posting style
you're talking about drawing young posters, i started the peep thread its like 80 posts of 40 year olds telling me he sucks for posts & posts & that i have shit taste etc. then when someone asks who's mean on ilx ppl are more likely to point to me than them lol
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:42 (seven years ago) link
lol deej my default is to question what you post (I lurk the rap threads) because your default stance is to plop your take on the table as if its a given and then any contrary opinion is a challenger or diss
so of course people immediately start dissing. your actual writing about music is good, it's the post presentation that's funny
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:52 (seven years ago) link
I've only been told to fuck off (literally "fuck off") once that I can recall and I remember who why and when because it was such a surprise (like a slashed tire surprise not a good one). I find it alternately a relief that no one can see me and a burden because if you can't see ppl it's easier to tell them cavalierly to fuck off.
Also D-40 otm about benefit of the doubt.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:54 (seven years ago) link
i was gonna say something to this effect, they can't all be tim and ned writing essays to each other about garbage
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:57 (seven years ago) link
― Evan, Tuesday, February 7, 2017 1:10 PM (fifty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
what's the dog thread? i'm a dad you have to tell me
i'm probably a dickhole sometimes i guess
deej is fun to argue with but also he's like insanely plugged into rap shit that's bubbling under even underground acclaim, like sub 5000 YT hit stuff it's impressive
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:05 (seven years ago) link
i write any post of mine longer than three words in wordpad. but my spelling and grammar keep getting worse so i should probably switch to word!
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:07 (seven years ago) link
Lex said he got jumped by dads in the dog thread a few weeks ago. I don't know what the dog thread is, but my theory id he was confusing it with the time he said he hates children and everybody piled on him. However, Skot made a remark about 'hounding' that Evan interpreted as a dog thread remark.
Xp
― how's life, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:09 (seven years ago) link
Yeah the taking sides children or animals who would win in a fight to the death thread revive from a few months back
― Evan, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:13 (seven years ago) link
dickhole dogs vs dickhole dads
― soref, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:15 (seven years ago) link
I've only been told to fuck off (literally "fuck off") once that I can recall and I remember who why and when because it was such a surprise (like a slashed tire surprise not a good one).
I remember lashing out at you over some comment you made about Taylor Swift fans, maybe 7 years ago? I hope this isn't the one you're remembering. If so, I'm sorry. I mean, either way...
― how's life, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:15 (seven years ago) link
Ha, noI don't think you told me to fuck off but if you did, I forgot. I probably deserved it if I was slagging Taylor Swift fans. That's rude.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:19 (seven years ago) link
I don't think I could take any response to LL as seriously hostile. There are people you can't be hostile to, even if it looks hostile.
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:20 (seven years ago) link
i've been called a cunt twice, which is actually pretty lol
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:23 (seven years ago) link
is it bad if I can only giggle at that
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:23 (seven years ago) link
real life is horribler than here :)
― nxd, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:25 (seven years ago) link
some guy told me to fuck off yesterday on ilx! but it was on the irrationally angry thread so i didn't care. he was in the right place.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:29 (seven years ago) link
amazingly it is possible to say that things are bad without also saying things used to be better or worse
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:29 (seven years ago) link
am I a dickhole dad? yes I think/hope? lex on kids was hilarious, hilariously wrong but he's one of the good people here imo, on music at least
― droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:33 (seven years ago) link
I hope it wasn't me, LL!
― Odysseus, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:34 (seven years ago) link
My favorite lex thread: Marilyn Haggerty's amazing Olive Garden review and the subsequent viral shitstorm
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:36 (seven years ago) link
idk who you are odysseus so no? :) The incident was because I suggested that an expression of coarse sexual language was gross (it was and is) and the response was "fuck off this is a message board"I didn't take the "fuck off" personally (i don't think the poster has any idea who i am as a person) so much as was surprised that it being on a message board was the excuse. i don't agree with that at all, that message board discourse is different from any other kind. i think that's outdated and also wrong.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:42 (seven years ago) link
Nah I prefer the one about him buying potatoes
― Odysseus, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:42 (seven years ago) link
in the original Zork the answers "ulysses" and "odysseus" are both valid solutions to getting past the cyclops??
― Mordy, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:44 (seven years ago) link
Here was the earlier thread I was referring to Taking sides: Children vs. (non-human) animals
― Evan, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:49 (seven years ago) link
5265 4673 7 585
― wins, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:50 (seven years ago) link
i think this puzzle/solution goes as far back as the pdp-10 version
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:51 (seven years ago) link
the lex hates comedy thread is also classic lex
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:55 (seven years ago) link
there was a thread? i just thought that was a thing i enjoyed about lex
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:56 (seven years ago) link
I never posted anything regarding lex's olive garden thread magnum opus because my irl food habits are not much different *sips bowl of soup*
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 21:04 (seven years ago) link
http://img.aws.livestrongcdn.com/ls-article-image-640/cme/photography.prod.demandstudios.com/057d38a0-5a78-4c27-9c34-4381d7c06cc8.jpg
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 21:10 (seven years ago) link
come on man, I use a tea kettle and "better than bouillon" paste
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 21:20 (seven years ago) link
I listened to the album that has little jimmy scott duetting with joe pesci and I'm here to say
music
― wins, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 21:21 (seven years ago) link
thread
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 21:28 (seven years ago) link
i think a lot of times who is being "shitty" has a lot more to do with who is afforded the benefit of the doubt,
this is often true (e.g. k8), though posters develop reputations that make people not want to give them the benefit of the doubt. Assumptions based on past behavior. It's human nature. This is also something that has negatively affected the aforementioned she-who-used-to-post-here-for-15-plus-years, as well as you, herr deejington
― sarahell, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 21:35 (seven years ago) link
miss u sarahell
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 21:36 (seven years ago) link
LL - same! off-topic, do you have a link to the article the stanford grad student wrote about the af. am. dialect? I read the interview with her, and it's something I want to read, but the interview didn't link to anything about her actual research.
― sarahell, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 21:38 (seven years ago) link
an empty bullshit opinion from an empty bullshit person, and only a reality-challenged person (coughdeejcough) could find any apophenic tea leaf use in a bullshit post like that.
― bamcquern, Tuesday, February 7, 2017 8:01 AM (five hours ago)
Bryce, are you having an angry day?
― sarahell, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 21:42 (seven years ago) link
wouldn't be the only one clearly
― nashwan, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 21:42 (seven years ago) link
xp - of course, sent!
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 21:44 (seven years ago) link
for ref: (from knoxville thread)
ok stay hard― bamcquern, Wednesday, April 6, 2011 4:23 PM (five years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkok stay impenetrably clueless!― ☠ (roxymuzak), Wednesday, April 6, 2011 4:25 PM (five years ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkAre you having an angry day?― bamcquern, Wednesday, April 6, 2011 4:27 PM (five years ago)
― bamcquern, Wednesday, April 6, 2011 4:23 PM (five years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ok stay impenetrably clueless!
― ☠ (roxymuzak), Wednesday, April 6, 2011 4:25 PM (five years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Are you having an angry day?
― bamcquern, Wednesday, April 6, 2011 4:27 PM (five years ago)
― sarahell, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 21:46 (seven years ago) link
i feel like every time a thread like this comes up some people say "it's worse than ever" and others say "it's the same as ever" and less often a few say "it's better than it was", and i've prob been all three, but the truth is it's almost impossible to tell and we never seem to get beyond these three points of view.
these threads feel so indicative of general ways people talk about the past versus the present - we might as well be talking about fishing rods or america for all they tell us about ilx.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 22:53 (seven years ago) link
fishing rods
Time was. . .
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 23:00 (seven years ago) link
its for sure true that people use this less frequently bc social media became a major outlet for the world
personally i miss having a dividing line between my obsession w/ music nerdery & my real world life, it was like one was an outlet to let the other one feel fairly normal & now im forced to reconcile the two which is wack
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 23:02 (seven years ago) link
xxp yeah, historically "it's always been that way" has not been a good justification for anything, so its weird to see so many users adopt that line. "So what if ILM is a frat house that's unwelcoming to women, newcomers and casual observers, it's always been that way." Some status quos aren't worth preserving.
― Evan R, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 23:07 (seven years ago) link
are there any (other) good music message boards in 2017? aside from ilm, the only one I ever read was dissensus, but that's pretty quiet these days.
― soref, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 23:09 (seven years ago) link
btw ned raggett was the reason i started posting here. i was like whoa its the guy from allmusic guide ... awesome
then we argued
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 23:13 (seven years ago) link
personally i miss having a dividing line between my obsession w/ music nerdery & my real world life
This is what I'm not on Facebook. Not so much the music angle, but just not wanting to mix realms. Facebook provides ways to filter people out, true, but it has a history of being cavalier about changing those settings without adequate warning. I was on Facebook briefly and was freaked out when people I hardly knew at work were friending me. "These aren't my friends!" Obviously I am not FB material. I don't want this person's vulgar jokes on my wall, or that person's boring talk about being at home but thinking about professional issues.
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 23:15 (seven years ago) link
xp lol, yeah, ilm definitely has a pedigree you won't find on other music forums. That's one of the best things about it. I also discovered a bunch of my favorite writers (including tons of ppl on this thread) here
― Evan R, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 23:16 (seven years ago) link
unless you're talking about something like Afropop or old Arabic music there's going to be someone telling you whatever you like is shit and/or morally wrong in some way
But a lot of the time that's because nobody is going to say much of anything about those posts. (Sorry to be so ubiquitous today--suddenly procrastinating a lot.)
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 23:19 (seven years ago) link
btw ned raggett was the reason i started posting here. i was like whoa its the guy from allmusic guide ... awesomethen we argued
I seem to recall you were insistent I read Blues People without asking first if I already had.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 23:34 (seven years ago) link
you really should read it though
― nomar, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 23:37 (seven years ago) link
people explain things to ned raggett
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 23:37 (seven years ago) link
its a good book although subsequent reading has complicated its appeal for me
man why are people on ilx of all places all of a sudden so sensitive to disagreement? i say this as someone who just spent 80 posts arguing about lil peep w/ half the board telling me he wasn't worth 2 seconds of attention but: if people arent arguing about it or care about it enough to argue about, what's there even to talk about? How can you even have a conversation with people afraid to say they like or dislike something bc it might offend someone else's ability to like something?
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 23:42 (seven years ago) link
But a lot of the time that's because nobody is going to say much of anything about those posts.
That was my post, a long time ago. So yeah, it's understandable, but it looks like hostility unless you're accustomed to it. It's great that this thread hasn't shifted into "hostility is great because it keeps the plebs / weekend bikers out" but there's still a fair amount of that around, especially in the EOY poll threads, not explicitly of course, but more like someone saying "X is shit" is fine and requires nothing more in terms of argument but "X is good" is repping for something which apparently requires a much higher standard of evidence for some reason. (this has all been covered ad nauseam already, ik)
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 23:46 (seven years ago) link
this was like the place i learned how to question received wisdom & assumptions about what was worth my time and whether i was expressing myself honestly, and yeah you had to have a thick skin to not see disagreement as personal, esp when people getting zinged were liable to see that zing archived on noize board so everyone could lol @ it some more. but these were positive things in my development as a listener—and fuck my career, i just mean as a thinking human being who values discussion & thoughtful interpretation of art. its just weird to me that ppl want ilx to just be a recommendation engine
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 23:46 (seven years ago) link
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Tuesday, February 7, 2017 5:46 PM (thirty-three seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i think its cool that ppl want ilx to be nicer, i agree, mean ilx was kind of bogus, but i dont want people holding back on their opinions of a piece of art bc they're afraid it'll upset delicate sensibilities. People have different experiences to bring to the table, if anything ilx is very ideologically anti-Expert, that you earn your contribution every time you post something... idk people apparently have a very difft pov than i do on what this board was good at
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 23:49 (seven years ago) link
D-40 - full content of my post (from miles up the page) is this
I've just been here a couple of years and yeah, it's not particularly welcoming, but it's more that unless you're talking about something like Afropop or old Arabic music there's going to be someone telling you whatever you like is shit and/or morally wrong in some way, and as a newcomer there's no way to judge how much of this is irony or performative hyperbole. I'm old enough now to not really care enough about this to storm off in a huff, but even five years ago I would've (mis)understood this to be some sort of personal animosity, and wouldn't have bothered any more.
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 23:50 (seven years ago) link
if anything ilx is very ideologically anti-Expert
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 23:49
As long as it's not in a Michael Gove way.
Not anti-expert but just room for different levels.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 23:54 (seven years ago) link
My attitude to most music is that either I love it, or I'll try to work out what it is I'm not getting about it, then if that doesn't work then I just won't bother with it any more, I know this isn't most people's approach on here, but IDK, it seems reasonable enough to me.
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 23:56 (seven years ago) link
i am a little bit flabbergasted that people here can bring up shit folks said ten years ago and put it to bear on a current argument - not because i think it's bad or anything but because i'm envious. goddamn, i'm never going to think of poster karl malone as anybody but karl malone and i just read his birth name (zach braff or something i think) ten minutes ago.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:00 (seven years ago) link
lol something i wrote when i was 19 was just brought up here
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:01 (seven years ago) link
i should probably quit this place... if only social media wasnt worse
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 6
I'm ready to create the thread.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:02 (seven years ago) link
Oh dear.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:04 (seven years ago) link
i was like whoa its the guy from allmusic guide ... awesome
i also had this experience, but i don't think we ever argued. it's understood that his disdain for superchunk and mine for buckaroo banzai have made us mortal enemies; no real need to discuss it
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:09 (seven years ago) link
i think, aside from perhaps generational/historical shifts in taste and sensibility, there is just a rough limit on the scope of what there is to get / not get about music, and collectively ilm has arrived at it (it's not hard to do), so lacking an infusion of people committed to not getting / figuring out how to get anything (who are often young people for obvious reasons), it does not really meet the conditions necessary for motivating energetic conflicts about whether or how to get things anymore.
like e.g. i'm not into fleetwood mac, never really tried to be into them, understand that some people are v. v. into them and think there is something great to get about them, but i accept the coexistence of that with my disinterest in them. when i was 19 maybe i could have been goaded into an intensive consideration of them that provoked me to re-draw some mental lines, but now even if those lines actually stand in need of a little more re-drawing i am not willfully opposed to that happening by virtue of my existing tastes or beliefs about their social meaning. also, and probably more relevant to changes and stases in ilm over time, i don't feel like i would find out lots more about other individuals or other social meanings by making a point of trying to get fleetwood mac. probably some, but nothing that would be a revolution in my mind.
collectively it seems like we are not as reflective about any of that as we used to be, but 'we' are older and the world (including the world of reflection) is different, too.
― j., Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:11 (seven years ago) link
many xps Karl Malone used to post as Z S and I tend to think of him that way
I always assume people remember me not as "mh" but as the many storied posts I made as Momus
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:17 (seven years ago) link
"like e.g. i'm not into fleetwood mac, never really tried to be into them, understand that some people are v. v. into them and think there is something great to get about them, but i accept the coexistence of that with my disinterest in them. when i was 19 maybe i could have been goaded into an intensive consideration of them that provoked me to re-draw some mental lines, but now even if those lines actually stand in need of a little more re-drawing i am not willfully opposed to that happening by virtue of my existing tastes or beliefs about their social meaning. also, and probably more relevant to changes and stases in ilm over time, i don't feel like i would find out lots more about other individuals or other social meanings by making a point of trying to get fleetwood mac. probably some, but nothing that would be a revolution in my mind."
i'm not sure i follow what you're saying totally j but danny kirwan's tunes for fleetwood mac are the shit, particularly "dragonfly", and i wouldn't even have given kirwan the time of day until about two years ago.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:20 (seven years ago) link
What can I say? People need Stevie Nicks in their lives.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:23 (seven years ago) link
xp mentally i am contrasting what i am saying with like ilm conflicts of yore over all of genre x or musician y being irredeemable, beyond the pale, etc
― j., Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:23 (seven years ago) link
man why are people on ilx of all places all of a sudden so sensitive to disagreement?
I don't think anybody is against disagreement. But there's a big difference between friendly sparring, strong opinions and pointed retorts, all of which are more or less in the spirit of consensual conversation, and sustained, one-sided personal attacks. Like, your opinions are strongly stated and sharply argued, which is why your posts have so much value (also you have great recommendations), but you're never trying to provoke a flame war or anything.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:24 (seven years ago) link
https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-17-2015/lNO8dg.gif
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:24 (seven years ago) link
Wisdom indeed.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:27 (seven years ago) link
not surprised but also not overly happy about the conflation of "there should be less toxicity, preferably none" and "no one can ever say anything critical about an artist again"
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:37 (seven years ago) link
"no one can ever say anything critical about an artist again"
Is anyone saying that? I'm not saying that.
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:41 (seven years ago) link
if there's another interpretation of "How can you even have a conversation with people afraid to say they like or dislike something bc it might offend someone else's ability to like something?" I'd love to hear it
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:55 (seven years ago) link
oh well for the record im against toxicity & in favor of people not feeling alienated because the ringtone rap crew have different taste in rap than them
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:57 (seven years ago) link
Ok, but who are the "people afraid to say they like or dislike something bc it might offend someone else's ability to like something" being referred to?
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:00 (seven years ago) link
a community can form a group consensus that something is bad, even if a community member likes it! you just kind of have to shrug it off, and maybe be vindicated elsewhere or by time when everyone mysteriously seems to have always like your fave in five years time
I mean there has to be one person on ilm who is a secret drake stan despite his zero vote showing on the year end polls
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:04 (seven years ago) link
drake is actually a really good example here because people have been doxxed, sent death threats, etc. for having the wrong opinion about drake at the wrong time
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:05 (seven years ago) link
(a different crowd, yes, but it should illustrate the vast difference between "toxicity" and "upsetting delicate sensibilities")
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:06 (seven years ago) link
ppl have no chill
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:08 (seven years ago) link
OP: Honestly, I still seem to think about everything in terms of when I became familiar with their parent genres (1982-2002), and I'm not sure we've had a distinctly new genre since 2002.
Yes, the last thing(s) I found new and worth much breath hailing were electroclash and Berlin minimal, both of which were arguably revivals themselves. Since then, what was the last new thing? Bubblegum Bass which is recognizable dead end? Slightly new paths of self-promotion with the visual album (from Beyonce to iamamiwhoami)?
Or maybe one can't see the new after I turned 32. Its depressing.
― my neurons made me do it (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:12 (seven years ago) link
also key to this, I think, is "as a newcomer there's no way to judge how much of this is irony or performative hyperbole." I don't know the cutoff for "newcomer" but I basically have zero fucking idea who dislikes whom, who ironically dislikes whom and who simply appears to dislike whom, which would be fine if this shit didn't bubble up everywhere and for the most petty and trivial of reasons (this thread got revived due to someone, on their own initiative and off site, making *spotify playlists*)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:15 (seven years ago) link
katherine - just realised we are coming from 100% the same side but I was too dopey to twig, soz
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:15 (seven years ago) link
I also have zero idea who's on what side
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:16 (seven years ago) link
Katherine I'm in the same boat and I've been here for 10+ years
― calstars, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:17 (seven years ago) link
what toxicity is bubbling up over spotify playlists? i think they're bad and dumb & i'm saying so so i'm like someone who doxxed somebody over drake? what?
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:20 (seven years ago) link
here's an entire thread of it Are you cool with forks making Spotify playlists out of every rolling thread without permission?
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:21 (seven years ago) link
(note the date stamps -- the revival of this thread is spillover from the revival of that one)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:22 (seven years ago) link
xp I'm not following. There's toxicity in that thread?
― Wimmels, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:23 (seven years ago) link
in what universe is me being mad at forks for making playlists out of rolling thread discussion a toxic environment that leads to ppl being doxxed for liking drake??
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:24 (seven years ago) link
there are maybe a couple people that actively irritate me, a few I joke with but appreciate (usually the list-obsessive or deep divers on ilm, the idiosyncratic grumps on ile movie and politics threads) and a bunch I really enjoy and think make that clear?
the thing I learned most in life out of a dark period is that making a point to express appreciation is important in life. without being a grandiose weirdo, if possible
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:27 (seven years ago) link
a) the fact that something as simple as making playlists, which would not even register as a problem to 99% of the "newcomers" you're talking about, can make one the subject of a pile-on thread is, I would say, toxicity
b) I'm not saying this environment is like that, I'm just saying that people are approaching this question with very different realms of possibility in mind
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:31 (seven years ago) link
(also, A) becomes a lot more charged for those whose real-life identities are associated with their posts.)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:33 (seven years ago) link
a pile-on thread
Yes 181Not 28
― Wimmels, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:35 (seven years ago) link
I'm going off the contents of (and existence of) the thread itself
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:38 (seven years ago) link
well there's certainly toxicity about certain subjects here, i mean i don't think the main spotify thread was more than 0.5% toxic but the 0.5% was particularly nasty and creepy.
― nomar, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:41 (seven years ago) link
I guess I need to re-read that thread. I thought it was pretty civil, and I say that as one of the 28
― Wimmels, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:43 (seven years ago) link
I still don't know who the dickhole dads are. I have seen no evidence that they exist.
I am a mediocre ILM poster at best but music is one of the most important facets of my life and I find great value in knowing that there are others out there for whom it is also important. It's a bonus that many ILM posters write such memorable prose. I appreciate the "up your game" effect but in practice it just means that I post more when I'm drunk.
― Headphone Jack (seandalai), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:46 (seven years ago) link
i called ppl lazy turds for listening to the playlists & not reading the thread
i guess that could be considered toxic but really i think its more just vivid juvenilia
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:47 (seven years ago) link
no one, btw, has insisted ppl should participate in the genre threads. just that if you're going to brain drain them, you should at least be reading the convo & not merely plucking every audio file discussed absent context
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:48 (seven years ago) link
oh i also said ban forks but i thought that was obvious hyperbole
i do wish they'd ban his playlists, though.
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:49 (seven years ago) link
if that's the opinion you have, sure, but having this opinion means you can't really complain too much about the site's lack of appeal to the overwhelming majority of music listeners who find the idea of "brain draining" via listening to a playlist mind-boggling petty and stupid, let alone the idea that making some playlists is grounds for a callout thread
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:54 (seven years ago) link
calling me petty and stupid seems pretty toxic, idk
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:56 (seven years ago) link
Is forks still around? I was fond of him or her.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:57 (seven years ago) link
I didn't call you petty or stupid. I did, however, call the idea of getting upset about somebody else's playlists petty and stupid, which it is.
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:59 (seven years ago) link
feel like things are getting a bit closed off on the internet in general. purity tests and fascism all around. i was banned from one message board twice recently, each time writing a total of 2 posts that were not abusive or directed at any other posters. i got accused of trying to stomp out free speech, trying to silence people, mistaking my opinion for me saying that everyone has to think this way. they banned me for trying to censor people, it is kind of hilarious.
ILX seems more loose and free-wheeling, like a controlled experiment. sometimes people get banned, but you have to be a sustained disaster. ILX isn't swarming with trolls and quality control is good overall. sometimes people are overly negative, and will respond to anything you say with a personal insult rather than contributing to the discussion. you have to just let it go and treat them as a temporary troll. getting upset only makes you look like an idiot, trolling them even further. this might be entertaining but probably not for you. just walk away.
tbh reading older threads is sometimes very painful. there was a lot of casual hate, a lot more public xenophobia and ironic shaming and stuff in the early years.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 02:01 (seven years ago) link
I missed that thread but I assumed it was an ethical objection that people have that Spotify is bad for artists?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 02:04 (seven years ago) link
alas no
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 02:09 (seven years ago) link
fwiw, obviously limited sample, anecdotal evidence not actually evidence, etc. but I asked a couple people whether they found it unethical for someone to make a Spotify playlist of the songs on a discussion forum. responses: "no"; "i... no"; "uh"; "I can't imagine caring about this"; "wherever this argument is happening is somewhere I never want to be"
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 02:31 (seven years ago) link
imo debating about whether a not-100% listening link (songs excluded not due to whims of artist but of licensing and release format), benefitting one vendor being a good thing is a good thread. while not one-to-one, would we be cool with an unofficial "here's everything on one record label from this thread" but link to the label website every time that popped up? if it was a major label, and they did so like clockwork?
it's not as simple as "welcome to being on ilx, fuck you for not listening to spotify!" but close. I voted that having such a link is fine but I think the conversation is essential. I have subscribed to at least one streaming service for every month of last year and playlists are good but it's always a run to the middle when you want to just listen to all the shit you want to listen to. There are a couple up-and-coming companies again doing cross-network playlists but yeah, they are looking for a cut, too
not recognizing specific influences and exclusionary forces, even if people are a little potshot-firing on the thread, is antithetical to the idea of people simply finding and listening to music
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 02:32 (seven years ago) link
ha, there are sooooo many threads like this in february. going back years. cruelest month to be honest with other ilxors. just so you know.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 02:33 (seven years ago) link
i'm gonna read the whole thing though.
katherine, were those people regulars on forums or people who had tried or considered streaming from a few places? I'd ask them how they felt about, say, their new album only being on the company they didn't stream from, not something that was unrelatable
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 02:33 (seven years ago) link
february and august usually.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 02:35 (seven years ago) link
When winter is tiring and the dog days are going. Makes sense.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 02:38 (seven years ago) link
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 02:39 (seven years ago) link
a) yes b) yes, because in 2017 it's more remarkable not to have
as far as "unrelatable" that's kind of my entire argument
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 02:40 (seven years ago) link
fair enough, then why question why people getting het up at one service having priority is weird? because lord know no one is gonna meticulously counter-post other tracks because forks has more patience than most
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 02:43 (seven years ago) link
iirc the original argument was that forks was somehow making a buck from spotify by ~leveraging~ posters' freely-offered knowledge. the rest is mostly frustrated gatekeeping
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 02:45 (seven years ago) link
oh
I demand forks tax returns
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 02:47 (seven years ago) link
The argument was definitely not "I don't like spotify, it is bad, here are some other links to non-spotify versions of these tracks". It was "these goddamn dilettantes stealing our precious precious knowledge".
― emil.y, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 02:58 (seven years ago) link
Drake sucks!
(just got to that part...)
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 02:58 (seven years ago) link
Fuck Spotify too. sounds like shit. canned shit!
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 02:59 (seven years ago) link
― emil.y, Tuesday, February 7, 2017 9:58 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
iirc it started out as the latter but drew in the former
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 03:02 (seven years ago) link
the fundamental disconnect with the former might be, you may see it as advertising spotify or whatever, but most people simply see it as making a playlist, using one of the more well-known/well-stocked playlist services
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 03:03 (seven years ago) link
there is no way in hell i'm reading that spotify thread though. polls have been blissfully invisible to me for years now. did you know you could do that? i will note maura's comment though:
ah, february, the month of internet arguing
― maura, Thursday, February 4, 2016 1:39 AM (one year ago)
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 03:06 (seven years ago) link
i see those playlists as forks being bonkers! doesn't it take forever? but he must find it fun. and fun is cool.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 03:07 (seven years ago) link
i had no problem with glenn using ilx for his mkultra spotify branding guinea pig flow chart test experiments either or whatever the conspiracy theory there was. who can remember? because glenn is a non-malevolent super-genius.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 03:11 (seven years ago) link
I'm with scott 2018
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 03:12 (seven years ago) link
recently reread big chunks of the beardo disco thread and that is peak ilm for me. a more or less consistently evolving discussion with a high volume of posts over a period of several years, good faith arguments about genre definitions considered from different perspectives, lots of varied opinions about relative quality of records without much snark or unnecessary aggression, plenty of opportunity to discover things old and new. history and context, a good mix of knowledgeable pros and enthusiastic schlubs, inclusive yet without that difficult "new poster sheds his rockist skin" phase. and it's all there to go back to whenever you like, unlike discussions on social media. ilm at its best.
― sciatica, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 03:26 (seven years ago) link
iirc that kind of thing attracted gr8080
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 03:35 (seven years ago) link
jesus christ
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 03:47 (seven years ago) link
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 8:31 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
congratulations on arguing w/ yourself ... no one said it was "unethical" ffs we just said it was "lame & weaksauce"
im not concerned with my 'precious knowledge' i literally am providing free content on this site & have done so for years?
you guys are trying to re-litigate this argument under the guise of caring about the quality of the conversation & how "toxic" it is, its extremely transparent and also weak as fuck
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 03:48 (seven years ago) link
id like to point out that someone observed the hip hop thread was the biggest rolling thread by some measure so maybe the ppl who actually participate in it might have an issue w/ how it's consumed & that's not crazy or absurd
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 03:50 (seven years ago) link
More cultural competence when dealing with music mentioned on the rolling hip hop thread.
― _Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 03:53 (seven years ago) link
people asked why there aren't more newcomers, I pointed out a pervasive pattern that is likely to scare off newcomers. I mean, I could lie and say I have no idea
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 03:56 (seven years ago) link
I joined ILX as a young teen for the quality of its Blue Man Group content. Maybe we need more of that.
― example (crüt), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 04:16 (seven years ago) link
i don't really buy the idea that people come to ilm to discover new music and say nothing -- people i know who lurk don't do it for that reason
i can't imagine that many people cared about the playlist discussion, but idk maybe i'm way off
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 8 February 2017 04:24 (seven years ago) link
ilm has def fallen off, but the sub board i post on the most is as good as it's ever been, and it has nothing to do with rough posting styles or zings. there are sometimes very heated arguments but everyone stays cool and enjoys chatting with each other, i think because it's been a small consistent group for many years now, so there's a camaraderie and familiarity there that makes it a fun place to post.
old ilx had that same thing and yes one outgrowth of it was stuff people now might consider to be cyberbullying. it happened to me when i started and i'm sure i've participated in it in the other direction, i agree with people like david and lex who think it made them better critics, but it's also made me very good at arguing like an asshole on the internet, so i get why that defense makes some people squeamish.
but the other outgrowth was the same as the unnamed sub board i still read and post on daily -- good discussion among people who generally understood each other's tastes, had a rapport, and yes could also call back to your previous bad arguments to make fun of you and belittle your argument. and yes for the record i would take the bad w/ the good.
for whatever reason (time i guess) that doesn't quite exist on the board anymore imo outside of certain rolling threads. that's at least why i don't post as much.
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 8 February 2017 04:34 (seven years ago) link
no one, btw, has insisted ppl should participate in the genre threads. just that if you're going to brain drain them, you should at least be reading the convo & not merely plucking every audio file discussed absent context― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 7:48 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 7:48 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
why do you care
― Wozniak on Kimye's Baby (jaymc), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 05:59 (seven years ago) link
the key q
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 08:05 (seven years ago) link
i tried one of those spotify playlists one time, can't remember which one - rolling country? - and found it really irritating iirc because literally every track discussed wound up in the playlist - even the ones that got hard-sonned in the thread! so you'd have good stuff mixed in with terrible stuff. yes i'm trying really hard not to use the word "curation". anyway deej for that reason alone i wouldn't see it as a threat to anything so yes, caring about it is a waste of time imo.
i just wanna give a shout out to j.'s post upthread. it's complex and provocative. have the important fights been fought? it reminds me a little of simon r's question about whether dance music has simply reached an optimal tempo - 120bpm is the darwinistic winner. when i look back at old threads from 2003, for instance, after i've finished dry-heaving over the unearned precocity of my own posts, it is remarkable how basic a lot of the arguments seem to me now, battle lines between disco and indie rock or what have you, that seem utterly adolescent now. have we actually gotten better at this? and then sometimes i think there's something adorable, and even in a way desirable, about the stupid tribal clashes over music that we used to have.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 08:14 (seven years ago) link
Lol at this being a two thread, one way argument now
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 08:26 (seven years ago) link
Like i suppose i could jump in but we've done this like four or five times now and i mean, it's -deej- for crying out loud; I'm pretty sure arguing about dumb shit on the internet was his major.
anyways, carry on and enjoy i guess?
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 08:31 (seven years ago) link
oh and my own thoughts at hostility, zing crew etc - i personally - probably as a result of my privileged position as a dickhole white dude - never minded it THAT much. i have a kind of sixth sense about aggression and filter it out almost subconsciously. i miss a lot of the zingiest posters - ethan, grumpy ol' jess (i think i actually called jess out one time for being too grumpy!). there's something evilly delicious about really well-articulated disdain. only rtc really keeps this flame alive afaict
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 08:34 (seven years ago) link
not that I care to have this argument again, but the anti-playlist thread was started by someone with concerns about one company/brand's marketplace dominance, and no one was concerned about their "precious knowledge" being hoovered up (I am firmly pro anyone listening to the music I like). My dislike was because I felt disconnecting the content of threads from the threads themselves was completely unconducive to keeping the threads alive with actual discussion. This has turned out to be the case bc it's why we're having this clusterfuck now!
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 09:02 (seven years ago) link
great post.
i think the ease of sharing playlists or youtubes or soundcloud/mixcloud, and the increased breadth of the internet has kind of smoothed discussions away a bit. i mean yes, maybe it stops people talking at length about something, but personally i've leaned towards enjoying just sharing music i like and hearing what other people share.
on the other thread i noticed some slight complaints about people sharing a mix and saying 'this is a nice mix" - personally i have deliberately reduced my comments to that level, when posting a mix in a rolling thread or even on twitter. there's enough noise and opinion online - and in a rolling thread i know the collective atmosphere enough not to have to sell something or hype it. let's not pretend that every comment that comes with a link makes the link better. far from it. i don't think i've ever been annoyed by someone posting a link, but plenty of times people overselling things or starting threads with obnoxiously long titles etc just feels like shouting.
a lot of the rolling threads have a fairly comfortable and calm feel, people know each other vaguely and they know what's been discussed. do some links or videos just disappear without discussion? yes. does that make me wish i'd written 500 words about them? no. not at all. i'd rather not contribute to pollution. ultimately the music is the reason the board exists. a link on a thread is more valuable than anything else. comments are good when they're informative or funny. don't really need to read someone describing or interpreting music when i can just click play.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 09:41 (seven years ago) link
I think in the Youtube era people have got very used to the listening happening IN the thread and the immediacy of response that can encourage. Previously ALL the listening necessarily happened outside the discussion and a sense of shared excitement (or even an IDGI and a need to work through that) kept people coming back. TBH I still think that's the best way. Early ILM was very proudly dilettantish, and "you have to immerse yourself in the culture" types tended to be met with short shrift or outright derision, which is kinda why Dissensus happened.
It shouldn't necessarily follow that playlists discourage discussion (although they're too long and indiscriminate and I never really bother with them), the question is why people aren't going back and talking about the music they're hearing and I think there are more reasons than are really being appreciated here.
xpost to Garda - yeah I get that, I suppose I miss things like the 2004 electrohouse thread or the early wave of Kompakt enthusiasm where someone would write something that would make you want to seek that record out immediately. If you don't know the person posting it, why click on one contextless Soundcloud or Youtube link and not one of the other 50 in the thread? It makes it theoretically easier but it also drains a lot of the excitement and the mystery and the discursive interest away, and I think that's also had an effect on suppressing discussion and turning threads into recommendation engines.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 09:51 (seven years ago) link
I get how it's maybe different in rolling rap where there's way more force of personality involved. And it's definitely different in parts of the afrobeats threads where people are piecing together how these scenes fit together and how they're perceived in their home countries (even if I know fuck all about that). Sometimes a lot of the interest is in talking around the music rather than about the individual tracks themselves.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 09:58 (seven years ago) link
they prob always were recommendations engines - there's just so much choice now that unity is less likely. and not really such big overarching things going on at any one time. plus personally, and i don't think this is just age, in the last few years the ease of finding older music via spotify has been a big influence on what i listen to. i get all my new music via threads here, mixes on soundcloud, a tiny bit of bandcamp, and then when i decide to buy some vinyl, i might pick up a few things i hadn't heard at a record store or on their site.
personally i guess i also feel like my job and just, the world as it is, means a lot of reading in a given day. i also think there's a lot of competition out there for our time and attention, when it comes to reading. i don't know if that affects other people's desire to read on ilx, but for me it does. the idea of arguing about music feels fairly distant to me now - tho occasionally i might get drawn in it's p rare.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 10:00 (seven years ago) link
Discussion/recommendation is a false binary though. The reason ILM was such a good recommendation engine is because the quality of the discussion attracted enough posters who were wide-ranging and inquisitive enough that you often felt like you had all bases covered. Like, a dilettante could follow the electrohouse thread and have a pretty exhaustive overview of the scene. Same for the R&B thread circa 2010 or so. But it's honestly useless as a recommendation engine these days. Plenty of big-deal releases barely get mentioned any more, there's barely motivation even to post something you're into.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 10:00 (seven years ago) link
what i meant to say about older music is that there's a pull on time and thought from that as well - there are a lot of things i find or discover that are old and i might revive the ilm thread, sometimes, but those old threads do kind of sink like stones as well.
xpost to matt
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 10:01 (seven years ago) link
Like I'd be interested as to how many people are actually listening to those playlists on the regular, I suspect it's a much smaller number than the ferocity of this discussion suggests. There's just a general lack of curiosity about a lot of stuff.
Also more generally playlists aren't seen as cheating, they're a core way for millions of people to consume music these days - there's a reason why people are moving from radio to jobs at streaming services and some of them are doing good work, but I'd rather listen to one compiled by an individual I trust than crowdsourced one any day.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 10:11 (seven years ago) link
if ilx can't get ideological about the consumption of music there's no point
obv I enjoy ilx in its guise as low-stakes recommendation farm, but overall I think ilx's negativity is amongst its most important features, and that ilx at its best involves clowning received wisdom, fighting over the basics, & yes getting ideological.
there are times when ilx gets to the heady rarefied state where scholars harmoniously come out of the woodwork to pool their expertise in a certain direction on a thread, but even then I think its valuable to kick back against the formulations that are offered and challenge the values ppl are esteeming
dads on ilx, as in the wild, are more likely to be well-meaning, complacent, & oblivious to the tyranny of their own common sense than straightforward dickholes, tho they may become that if their self-image is threatened. a lot of the ppl whose meanness is bemoaned are often outside of the consensus & not coincidentally some of the most interesting & valuable posters
― ogmor, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 10:59 (seven years ago) link
? AdamVania (Adam Bruneau)
i've been on the internet for too long, and the last few years for me have brought about this slow realization that verbal abuse was from its inception a core value of the internet. it seems to me that ilx is a community that pushes harder than most message boards to challenge this value.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 12:35 (seven years ago) link
a recommendation means more to me when somebody can back it up with reasons. it's a lot easier to tell somebody to listen to something than to tell somebody _why_ they should listen to something.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 12:39 (seven years ago) link
I miss the me that would devote so much time and energy to persuading people to listen to things.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 13:33 (seven years ago) link
There's some truth.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 13:40 (seven years ago) link
― Matt DC, Wednesday, February 8, 2017 4:51 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
bingo
I don't consider myself an expert on anything so I have historically relied on what are pejoratively known here (I guess?) as "gatekeepers" (who I am of course free to disagree with) to steer me in the right direction. If they're sterling writers, well, all the better, but really, I don't care that much about whatever cult of personality we've built up here around critics, and, like katherine, really don't know / care who's who based on screen names, with a few exceptions. I like it this way and think it's a good thing because it levels the playing field a bit and challenges hierarchy; ideally, a newcomer can come here and call out a Pitchfork staffer or label owner about a track and her opinion is equally valid
My least favorite ILM thing in 2017: someone revives a thread about an artist with a new release, and so, unfamiliar with that artist's previous work, I scroll up to read the previous assessments / opinions / arguments by smart people, and more often than not find a post that basically says "I can't even" followed by an expired Youtube link. (other examples: "I mean," "this for chrissakes," "never forget," etc). My life is mysterious enough without wondering about the mega amazing thing I'll never get to see on the Techno Bobbins thread or w/e.
Also weird to me how Spotify's unfairness to artists is always an afterthought. Of the 28 people who voted 'nay' on the forks thread, my guess is that half of those are conspiracy theorist worrying about forks 'leveraging' the tastes of ILX or whatever (could not care less about this, personally, generally enjoy forks' posts), and another third just finds those threads to be boring / a clusterfuck / impenetrable. Spotify is terrible for artists, and that's why I voted 'nay'
― Wimmels, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 13:40 (seven years ago) link
ideally, a newcomer can come here and call out a Pitchfork staffer or label owner about a track and her opinion is equally valid
this is shadowboxing I think, i don't think there have ever been gatekeepers on ILM whose tastes have been particularly feared except in the narrow "don't poke the bear" sense.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 13:45 (seven years ago) link
Maybe not, but I'm not sure I'd have poked so many bears when I first came here if I knew I was arguing with people who wrote for the Voice and the New York Times, to say nothing of the many artists, label owners, etc who have posted here over the years. Now idgaf but it isn't the 'regulars' we're worried about, right? It's 20 year olds who found us by Googling and might have something interesting to say about Thundercat
― Wimmels, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 13:50 (seven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/9PcE7hb.png
― Odysseus, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 13:55 (seven years ago) link
I scroll up to read the previous assessments / opinions / arguments by smart people, and more often than not find a post that basically says "I can't even" followed by an expired Youtube link.
Broken links are bringing back the mystery to music
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 13:58 (seven years ago) link
ILM's might get a little busier today. GQ just linked to the 'Ignition (Remix)' thread: http://www.gq.com/story/best-books-of-february-2017
― ArchCarrier, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 13:59 (seven years ago) link
don't worry, the meanness and broken links will soon see them off
― Dick Hole Son (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 14:05 (seven years ago) link
I wonder if any of those people who registered after the Reply All episode about the "So Not Gonna Happen" thread ever posted anything
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 14:08 (seven years ago) link
ILM's might get a little busier today. GQ just linked to the 'Ignition (Remix)' thread
I was all 'wait why' then I remembered the thread's prime mover and a new book and all was clear.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 14:16 (seven years ago) link
hoo boy.
― how's life, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 14:33 (seven years ago) link
Made it through this discussion, mostly made me sad that forks' spotify-lists for 2017 aren't up yet :(
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 14:43 (seven years ago) link
leech
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 14:45 (seven years ago) link
Also weird to me how Spotify's unfairness to artists is always an afterthought.
who has the moral authority to argue from that position? not me. i come from soulseek, from napster, and when i had to draw the line between what i would and would not do it wasn't on the side of the artists. the best i could say is that i would never pay money to steal, and that's why i'm not on spotify, because when i look at what they pay artists it looks like legalized theft to me.
but musicians don't get a fair shake from me, never will, and if i wanted to be truly fair to artists on an individual level i'd listen to a hell of a lot less music. and on a collective level, i'm convinced that musicians never have and never will get a fair shake under free market capitalism. choosing to vocally disapprove of spotify isn't going to change that.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 14:52 (seven years ago) link
ILX: The Book
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:12 (seven years ago) link
Spotify just doing what agents, managers, club owners, promoters, etc. have done for decades. don't hate the player hate the game
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:14 (seven years ago) link
Spotify should have a tipping option.
― nashwan, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:18 (seven years ago) link
To return to the thread question though, a big factor might be more people on ILM coming to terms with their or the board's limitations re representation (don't really want to say diversity as it can and has been well argued more as normalisation).
This was suggested in a few different ways already I realise - even ogmor's post re 'a lot of the ppl whose meanness is bemoaned are often outside of the consensus & not coincidentally some of the most interesting & valuable posters' points to it. I prefer to read that as an explanation of any meanness rather than an actual justification of it tho (including the use of 'dad' as an insult).
That and the msg board model seeming outmoded to a younger crowd (tho this could flip back as people in turn react to the evident limitations of social media channels would it also pull more younger people to places like ILM?) seem like the bigger problems than whether there are too many polls and playlists.
― nashwan, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:40 (seven years ago) link
i keep telling you guys, you can make polls invisible. i did that so that i would actually stop complaining about polls. you're welcome. #bethechangeyouwanttosee
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:07 (seven years ago) link
I think the complaint is the artist polls which cant be hidden? But I also think its more an idealogical hatred of polls that even while hidden they still exist and are popular and that annoys some posters?
― Odysseus, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:09 (seven years ago) link
The fear is on the one hand that the board will end up being vicperry'd back to the stone age without a baseline level of what is being called "meanness" and on the other that the inquisitive teens whose input will apparently bring meaning into the lives of the 30somethings who post here might be put off; the truth is probably that neither scenario is v likely and registration will never match/exceed natural attrition with or without what is essentially just the house style of the internet: both sets of people are busy posting in the exact same tone on social media
― wins, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:10 (seven years ago) link
you yourself Scott (and others) tried to kill threads in the past you didn't like with image floods and I'm glad that's gone out of fashion
― Odysseus, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:11 (seven years ago) link
Are there even artist polls anymore? I quit after I found that participating in a few was enough to completely kill my enthusiasm for the artists in question.
― how's life, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:13 (seven years ago) link
inquisitive teens whose input will apparently bring meaning into the lives of the 30somethings who post here might be put off
not just teens, all the other things the dickdads are not too!
― nashwan, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:16 (seven years ago) link
should i put flyers for ILM up around my local university? i might do it anyway.
― Treeship, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:19 (seven years ago) link
i liked some of the artist polls - the floyd one was good - but some of them (like the eno one) just wound up as canon retreads unfortunately.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:19 (seven years ago) link
dads are a chilling vision of a possible future
― ogmor, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:21 (seven years ago) link
Are there even artist polls anymore? I quit after I found that participating in a few was enough to completely kill my enthusiasm for the artists in question.― how's life,
― how's life,
stirmonster is doing a 60s poll at some point in the next few months and he will ban canon stuff like beatles, stones etc. the funny thing is I dont think there's ever been a 60s ballot poll before so those who would want that might have their noses put out of joint.
― Odysseus, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:24 (seven years ago) link
dads are a chilling vision of a possible future― ogmor, Wednesday, February 8, 2017 11:21 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ogmor, Wednesday, February 8, 2017 11:21 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is a good tagline for the flyer. i was also considering "the messageboard deej doesn't want you to see"
― Treeship, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:24 (seven years ago) link
you could run a who is gabbo deej campaign
― Odysseus, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:28 (seven years ago) link
maybe ilm should merge with another struggling message board, in "Weekend magazine incorparating Titbits" fashion
― soref, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:28 (seven years ago) link
Whizzer AND Chips
― Bongo Herbert (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:29 (seven years ago) link
imdb just dumped their boards according to the guardian
― Odysseus, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:29 (seven years ago) link
I Love Movie Databases
― jmm, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:31 (seven years ago) link
The 'M' in 'ILM' always meant Morbs anyway, right?
― Odysseus, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:32 (seven years ago) link
The problem, I think, is at some point the "arguments" became the least interesting thing about this board. Eight years ago maybe they played out as exciting exchanges of ideas, but these days most of the informed, sharply argued debates about music seem to take place on Twitter, where there's more accountability and focus. So the debates here more often than not just end up being a bunch of aggro critics bros trying to pwn each other. That might be entertaining if you understand the group politics and know who turrican is, but if you don't (and even most regular posters here don't), then it just ends up being impenetrable--especially to lurkers, who understandably avoid the convo for fear of being hazed themselves.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:32 (seven years ago) link
at least something good happened this year
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:34 (seven years ago) link
― Odysseus
how the hell is stirmonster determining "canon"? rym rankings or something?
i'd be cool with a poll where the top artists are les goths and stella, mind.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:34 (seven years ago) link
might be entertaining if you understand the group politics and know who turrican is
new board description
― soref, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:34 (seven years ago) link
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, 6 February 2017 17:16 (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:35 (seven years ago) link
turrican is known as universal soldier on the megadrive
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:35 (seven years ago) link
These days I come to ILM less for the debates over current music controversies, which are covered to death on Twitter, and more for the specialized threads that let certain critics advocate music that doesn't attract much attention elsewhere. Like the Dawn Richard, Kehlani, Julien Baker and Pinegrove threads that last year have been nice little communities, however small. They're not the most exciting or heated threads, obviously, but they're the ones providing a depth of conversation I can't find elsewhere, in part because there's no barrier to entry.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:37 (seven years ago) link
how the hell is stirmonster determining "canon"? rym rankings or something?i'd be cool with a poll where the top artists are les goths and stella, mind.― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy),
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy),
He wants a 60s version of the 70s and 80s polls i did. He had been asking me to do it since the 70s poll ended as he really loved those polls. He said the 80s one actually brought him back to ILM and he rediscovered his love of the place through it. But noone can decide what is and isnt allowed so i just said to him you choose you wanted the poll but i'll help out if he wants but hes in charge.I think there may be discussion of the 60s poll on the 70s results page somewhere. Honestly 2 years on and we still couldnt decide. But it was quite clear people did not want a poll with results that looked like mojo!
― Odysseus, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:41 (seven years ago) link
check there ILM's Now For Something Completely Different... 70s Album Poll Results! Top 100 Countdown! (Part 2)
― Odysseus, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:44 (seven years ago) link
Tactical polling
― nashwan, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:46 (seven years ago) link
I'm not particularly interested in relitigating the forks playlist issue but just for the record if that's something you want to do, maybe you should consider reading the thread first, so you can avoid making easily disproved claims like ''nobody was attacking him for (x) it was only about (y),'' and maybe even consider adjusting your comments to address often-made points like ''wait so explain to me how the third-party YouTube links in the original rolling threads were better for the artists than Spotify.''
Re: ILX as a welcoming space etc., I think there's lots of interesting things to consider. In the spirit of challenging received wisdom I think it'd be fun to parse whether the site and its customs are indeed optimized for the most robust and least toxic discussion possible. If I were desgning my dream site from the ground up I suspect it'd look 90+% like ILX. We really do have something great here and that's why I'm still around after eleven years. But maybe we shouldn't take it as assumed that it's the raddest most nclusive form of board/community and that the historcally masculine-gendered sink-or-swim agonism that folks are often eager to defend is the best way of building community and discussion.
I do know other groups and spaces for example where some of the norms here would be seen as hopelessly biased in favor of letting loud shitty people run free for a shockingly long time. Not advocatiing for any reforms in particular here but just in the spirit of recognizing how rules and customs shape a culture: how would ILX be different if, say, 15 SBs/FBs was seen as sufficient for someone to need a timeout? If one request to lock a thread for being toxic or offensive was enough to trigger a temporary lock and review? If we stated upfront on the login/registration page that that this was a space opposed to all forms of harassment and dehumanization? If we had the offcial or collective intolerance for personal flames of your average dial-up BBS from the mid-90s? My neighborhood pizza joint has a sign establishing their opposition to racism, sexism, ageism, body-shaming etc.; when I put that against something like the Barenaked Ladies album cover thread, I think it's hard to sustain the idea that whatever its pros and cons ILX is basically as inclusive and anti-toxicity as you can possibly ask for.
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:48 (seven years ago) link
lol keeping in mind one of the optimo posters around glasgow used to advertise the night as OMITPOP (which wasn't really accurate but anyway)
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:49 (seven years ago) link
xpost obv
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:50 (seven years ago) link
Tl;dr: I think ILX is pretty great but let's not kid ourselves into accepting as normal and healthy whatever level of hazing and nastiness that we've personally gotten used to, because by remaining here through it we have self-selected a population that accepts these conditions, and maybe let stand a lot of customs or practices that really would not fly elsewhere.
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:50 (seven years ago) link
"you yourself Scott (and others) tried to kill threads in the past you didn't like with image floods and I'm glad that's gone out of fashion"
i did a lot of things. i have no regrets. i don't remember doing that to any normal thread that someone started. usually just did that if someone was trolling or being idiotic. and usually it was someone i didn't know/not a regular. someone would just pop up and be a jerk.
this is ancient past you are talking about....
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:54 (seven years ago) link
is there still hazing here?
― Treeship, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 17:00 (seven years ago) link
did we figure out whose sock Treeship was?
:)
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 17:08 (seven years ago) link
the offcial or collective intolerance for personal flames of your average dial-up BBS from the mid-90s
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 17:14 (seven years ago) link
I don't know who Turrican is, just that he's one of my favorite posters. In fact, most of my faves have chimed in here so I take it as a sign that our community is fairly self-aware and healthy.
I'll never understand the knee-jerk aggro response to "someone is wrong on the internet!". It's not my job to correct anyone's opinion, though facts should be sorted.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 17:37 (seven years ago) link
I don't know who Turrican is, just that he's one of my favorite posters.
0_o
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 17:40 (seven years ago) link
let's all user our government names so this stops being a problem
― nashwan, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 17:42 (seven years ago) link
I used to think a Turrican was a bird, but have since learned it was a video game.
― how's life, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 17:45 (seven years ago) link
2 cents from a (mostly) lurker: I've noticed the board moving to more specialized/obscure artists and topics over the years, as, I guess, the canon has come to seem redundant here. It's a more niche board than it used to be. Not a bad thing, but niche usually means fewer people.
― dinnerboat, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 17:45 (seven years ago) link
I used my real name to get work. Totally worked too.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 17:47 (seven years ago) link
It's niche, except when we're doing artist polls and album-specific revives of canonical acts, at which point the niche people bemoan the board's coverage of dinosaur acts. It takes all kinds I think.
btw sorry for my super long post above, was just caffeinated and going bonkers on my phone. didn't even really get to some of the things I wanted to say - like I actually think having a stickied "board jargon and oft-referenced things" post could be as useful or more than anything else I threw out there.
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 17:51 (seven years ago) link
ilx will totally ruin you for normal world. on that facebook group people will post steely dan records and go: "Now say what you will about Steely Dan..."
like it's a bold move to champion such a reviled group. "I don't care what anyone says, Aja is tops in my book!"
and i groan and roll my eyes a lot. and this is true with not only Steely Dan but with so many things in the wider world. I'm sure everyone here is familiar with that.
And call me crazy, but I actually LIKE Abba!
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 17:59 (seven years ago) link
Shortly after joining ilx and starting to get in touch with my pop side, I got clowned SO HARD at a party for liking Abba.
― how's life, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:01 (seven years ago) link
what kind of degenerates do you associate with
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:04 (seven years ago) link
i don't have to routinely work my way over the "actually, steely dan is good" or the "abba is especially like...objectively good" hurdle here as much as i do in irl conversation and for that i am thankful
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:04 (seven years ago) link
definitely didn't help that it was Nina, Pretty Ballerina I was singing along to.
― how's life, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:08 (seven years ago) link
xp yeah otm re: spoiling you but imo ILX is also guilty of over-correcting a tad wrt this. for instance, when poptimist goalposts moved to include Richard Marx and Wilson Phillips i had to bail
― Wimmels, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:10 (seven years ago) link
Hold on now.
― how's life, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:11 (seven years ago) link
A Christopher I refused to Cross.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:16 (seven years ago) link
Even I like that famous Richard Marx song.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:16 (seven years ago) link
Thanks, McBoing-McBoing... likewise! :)
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:19 (seven years ago) link
-Mc
I'd be completely amazed if anyone I worked with knew who Steely Dan were, let alone one of their songs.
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:20 (seven years ago) link
― Wozniak on Kimye's Baby (jaymc), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 11:59 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Because I signed up for a discussion board not to supply people with free bad playlists?
Because a group playlist necessarily removes everything interesting from the friction of the group discussion and turns it into a fake bland consensus
Because as lex suggested it could have a deleterious effect on discussion
Because some people have said they didn't want to post while it was in effect
Because I don't use it & don't see the functional purpose
Because in the rap thread there are often songs that serve as discussion points but aren't necessarily good (cf if we were keeping up with news we'd probably have talked about 50 cent's son dissing his dad but no one in their right mind would want that song actually saved in perpetuity for playlist purposes)
There are endless reasons it's dumb. No, it's not the only thing hurting discussion, probably not even the main thing. I'm still very comfortable being annoyed by it & im not sure why everyone thinks it's so bitter and toxic to say so, or why my concerns are being conflated with juvenile male dickhole knowledge hoarding. Seriously gtfo with that
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:26 (seven years ago) link
i was listening to the famous kim carnes album the other day because i had an MFSL pressing of it and i wanted to hear Bette Davis Eyes in sparkling audiophile sound and i kept listening to it and i thought wow this is better than a lot of later rod stewart albums probably and i thought that there must be an ILX In Praise Of...Mistaken Identity and then i looked and saw that kim carnes has FOURTEEN albums and i had a vision of a future ILX thread devoted to listening to all `14 of them. then i played something else. #ILXTHINKING
OH and then i played Gino Vannelli's Powerful People album because I also had an MFSL pressing of that and the first song totally sounds like Steely Dan and I thought of ILX.
for the record, i had my steely dan hepcat epiphany in the early 90's, but i was always a fan. or at least of their radio hits.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:28 (seven years ago) link
really is the best steely dan homage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhjX6-iWIAg
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:30 (seven years ago) link
Maybe it's a Glasgow thing, but I don't remember Steely Dan ever being beyond the pale particularly, even when I was a indie kid along with all the other little indie kids.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:31 (seven years ago) link
Oh man, is that entire album like that Gino Vanneli track you posted, Scptt??
― Wimmels, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:41 (seven years ago) link
maybe it was all that Texas and Blue Nile on the radio. made it seem normal.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:42 (seven years ago) link
it's not all like that, but it's a good album.
gino-post
My neighborhood pizza joint has a sign establishing their opposition to racism, sexism, ageism, body-shaming etc.; when I put that against something like the Barenaked Ladies album cover thread, I think it's hard to sustain the idea that whatever its pros and cons ILX is basically as inclusive and anti-toxicity as you can possibly ask for.
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino)
more importantly the pizza here sucks
― nashwan
but my government name is "karl malone".
it's not that steely dan are _bad_, it's that the dickhole dad crew who hate steely dan _really_ hate steely dan and will bring it up every fucking time somebody mentions them. same goes for, like, the eagles (even before that one movie), and phil collins, and frank zappa. some of those dickhole dads will go to their deaths not realizing that nobody gives a shit that they hate steely dan.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:45 (seven years ago) link
I'm talking before that, which might indicate why stuff like Texas, Blue Nile and (duh) Deacon Blue came out of Glasgow.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:45 (seven years ago) link
there is a nice tribute to jim croce on that gino album. his early albums have a good funky jazz pop thing going on. with his occasional naked and unashamed outbursts of chest hair histrionics.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:50 (seven years ago) link
wait, i'm confused. dickhole dads who hate steely dan in real life or here? i thought they were dad rock. and i thought most people liked them here.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:53 (seven years ago) link
Maybe a generation of dads that don't and will never like dad rock.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:56 (seven years ago) link
i know that kneejerk classic radio rock hate has been a thing since the punk 70's but i've always found it easy to avoid. i never really had to listen to people go on and on about how they hate the steve miller band much. mostly here actually. in old-ilx days. when van morrison was public enemy number one.
it's just weird how on facebook normal people will feel self-conscious about liking 70's jazz rock because its not hip enough or something when all the hip people are actually listening to stuff that is way more normal. and yes i did try to get people to listen to Poco for years.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:57 (seven years ago) link
(and really its just funny to see what people think is hated and reviled. i don't know where they get it from. they will post stuff on FB that everyone likes and be all defensive about it. and jesus Taylor Swift starts wars in normal land. they are fighting old battles on social networks. also, vinyl is back.)
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:59 (seven years ago) link
Poco are reasonably popular on ILM! I like 'em!
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:01 (seven years ago) link
i don't know what people here think or don't think here; all i know is that steely dan have a lot of haters for a lot of reasons. slick, cynical, too many jazz chords - old hatreds never die, not really. people just slowly conclude that steely dan isn't worth hating.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:02 (seven years ago) link
i guess i just don't know those people. but yeah i see the evidence of that like i said. on FB.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:03 (seven years ago) link
steely dan afaict are almost universally loved here perhaps especially by mediocre dickhole dad posse
― marcos, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:06 (seven years ago) link
speaking of Scotland, jesus christmas i couldn't believe how great the happy birthday album by altered images sounded to me last week. i think its a crying shame that people only know that song from the album and think of them as some sort of lol 80's VH1 band. post-punk classic! you guys know that already. i just hadn't heard it in decades. didn't feel like reviving a thread. carry on.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:08 (seven years ago) link
Any major dickhole dad will tell you
― Benylin Ascent (NickB), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:09 (seven years ago) link
ok, ok, you've baited me into it. i fucking hate steely dan. always will. and van morrison. and poco.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:09 (seven years ago) link
Ex-pee
ilm is still gr8 bc ppl don't bang on with stupid crap like "the beegees are lame"
i <3 u ilm
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:10 (seven years ago) link
i've got tickets to the VAN THE MAN AND THE DAN TOUR 2017. dooder so sweeeeeeet....
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:10 (seven years ago) link
if any given ilm thread runs long enough will it eventually be about steely dan
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:12 (seven years ago) link
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:13 (seven years ago) link
I think ILM lost some of its utility, through no fault of its own, as the wider music world grew more tolerant of niche interests and dissenting opinions. I joined in 2009 because this was the only community where critics seemed really into R&B. Nowadays even NPR covers it. Similarly you can easily find pockets of critics into emo, boy bands, Steely Dan, etc on Twitter or elsewhere. We're able to have the conversations we used to have to come here for elsewhere.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:13 (seven years ago) link
steely dan are not as bad as hitler, i will give you that.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:13 (seven years ago) link
van the man and dan with can and max sharam
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:14 (seven years ago) link
Scott- Growing up, most music coverage I looked at was uk publications and BBC shows which despite Mojo and Uncut's holy canon of acceptable dadrock, the scathing hatred towards lots of older rock used to seem like it was everywhere. Seems kind of nightmarish in retrospect. I think some people still carry the consensus from an earlier time because they didn't read in the places where the shifts happened.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:19 (seven years ago) link
I used my real name to get work. Totally worked too.― scott seward, Wednesday, February 8, 2017 9:47 AM (one hour ago)
― scott seward, Wednesday, February 8, 2017 9:47 AM (one hour ago)
I figured I was the only person in the world with my name (still seems to be the case), and I'd been just posting as me since 1993 on Usenet so hey. Guess it helped!
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:20 (seven years ago) link
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, February 8, 2017 12:12 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
or R@di0h3@d
― Spottie, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:23 (seven years ago) link
Also:
chest hair histrionics
This should be the new fake genre reclaiming. The modern 'junkshop glam' et al.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:24 (seven years ago) link
What does the name "Raggett" mean?
R is for relish, you seek a challenge.
A is for able, for you surely are.
G is for genial, a pleasing personality.
G is for golden, memories you share.
E is for extra, those little things you do!
T is for treasure, of your friendship.
http://www.names.org/n/raggett/about
― Evan, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:28 (seven years ago) link
chest hair histrionicsThis should be the new fake genre reclaiming. The modern 'junkshop glam' et al.
― Ned Raggett
finders keepers already did this in 2012!
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:31 (seven years ago) link
pretty sure I tried do start a Carnes conversation once; pretty sure I'm responsible for every Carnes thread.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:35 (seven years ago) link
Then it is time for the ironic revival.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:39 (seven years ago) link
wait, i'm confused. dickhole dads who hate steely dan in real life or here? i thought they were dad rock.
I like that Dad Rock is a constant no matter how many years pass. Dads these days were in college in the 90s or 00s. Dad Rock is Radiohead and Arcade Fire.
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:49 (seven years ago) link
dying @ the Ned's name post.
i love you all
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:51 (seven years ago) link
Because it's way easier to put on a playlist of songs at work while reading a rolling thread than it is to click individual youtube links.
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:52 (seven years ago) link
Double the treasure seems apt, really.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:53 (seven years ago) link
I was thinking of stuff i had written over the years for various ILXors - I never gave Matos a really good review, I still feel kinda bad about that - and I remembered something I had written for Whiney TEN years ago when he had a music website. I always liked it. AND it predicts the rise of Trumpism! I'm a prophet.
Defcon 4
You ever see the movie Defcon 4? Yeah, me neither. Or wait, did I? Eh, probably. Who knows anymore. I’m so jaded when it comes to kitschy apocalyptica. And my memory is poor. And I’ve seen a million movies. Today at work I was emptying one of those big outdoor ashtrays. You know the ones. A Rubbermaid. Jesus, Rubbermaid, there’s a movie for you. Thousands of Ohioans living and dead could tell the whole dirty story while gritting their teeth at the memory of the loss and the misplaced pride. What, like the end of the world hasn’t actually come yet? You need futuristic neon dystopias to tell the tale of man’s folly? Take a look around, buddy. Anyway, this big-ass plastic ashtray with the gaping metal mouth was beyond full. The butts crammed to the top formed a single tube of soggy and yet hardened nic fit. It took forever to get them out of there. And I couldn’t help but feel like I had seen this movie before. And I had. In a way. When I was 16 and wiping shit off of supermarket bathroom walls. When I was 26 and on my hands and knees cleaning mouse shit off of dirty deli floors. And when I was 36 and changing stinky diapers by myself in a small damp house far from everyone and everything that I knew and trying to embrace the love I felt for my son, while, at the same time, ducking dark storm clouds of isolation and fear. Which is just another way of saying that Defcon 4 are a decent Boston punk band that mixes doom and crust and sharpened Eyehategod teeth all in the service of…what? I don’t know. Another pennant? Hatred of Ben Affleck’s street cred? All I know is, from the area of the universe that gave me SSD and Converge, I expect MORE pain. And MORE convincing wails of torment. Their stylistic twists and turns aren’t as compelling as the more advanced cosmic crust moves of Kylesa or Baroness either. But, hey, they are young, right? I have no idea, are they? Well, they sound young. And kinda peppy even. And hanging out with Steve Austin was a good move too. Their record sounds smooth. I’m just not feeling very smooth. I give any young band the same advice I gave a guy I met last week who only has two months to live (gallbladder): It’s never too late to become a reader. You might not want to start with War & Peace though.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 20:15 (seven years ago) link
apparently i just hang out on this thread now. i'm moving in. if you still want to bitch about Spotify and toxicity feel free to work around me. I'll be hanging curtains.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 20:16 (seven years ago) link
I'm blocking everyone else in order to listen to the prophet
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 21:17 (seven years ago) link
very belated because I've been sick all day (which was still more enjoyable than taking part in this thread): I'm not sure how much more clearly I have to put the argument "if you're concerned about the lack of newcomers, consider that newcomers are likely turned off by the prospect of vicious-to-semi-vicious callout posts over what almost everyone considers so trivial it wouldn't even be worth mentioning)"
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 21:26 (seven years ago) link
i can't even remember who is concerned about the lack of newcomers. i think you really have to want to be here. it's like when i played laughing stock by talk talk to my kid and i asked him what he thought and he said "you really have to want to listen to that music".
it's just easy to see that there are less people than there used to be. but maybe that's okay.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 21:30 (seven years ago) link
at one point that was the idea of this thread, I don't know when it became about steely dan
(I dislike steely dan and find the pressure among music critic types to take them [of all people!] seriously is suffocating, does that make me a dad)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 21:32 (seven years ago) link
gotta love the dan!*
*i have never called them the dan.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 21:40 (seven years ago) link
I only call them The Dan to friends who hate Steely Dan.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 21:43 (seven years ago) link
(Makes u think why they are friends in the first place tbh)
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 21:44 (seven years ago) link
I'm not sure I agree with the Hegelian epistemology (?) behind the idea that ilm has arrived at what there is to get abt music, but all the same this seems otm - and as an addendum to the sticky post explaining abbreviations, often referenced anecdotes, anti-harassment policies etc. it might be nice to feature some kind of... well, obv not a manifest or anything, but maybe a collection of choice posts (not necessarily in agreement) that would give newcomers (or old timers) an idea of what set of aesthetics are generally accepted at ilm, or used for discussion purposes...
(so not gonna happen)
― niels, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 21:45 (seven years ago) link
Steely Dan poll was great btw
keepin it mediocre dickhole dan posse
― wins, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 21:53 (seven years ago) link
xxp lol i don't mean -the historical truth-, tho i did mean to reserve the possibility that we are all on the way to being doddering old cranks who are deaf to the kids of tomorrow's crazy weedilleywoos. it's just that once a person's / group's tastes (etc) become catholic enough, it's hard to think there's anywhere to expand.
― j., Wednesday, 8 February 2017 22:00 (seven years ago) link
"Defcon 4
You ever see the movie Defcon 4? Yeah, me neither. Or wait, did I? Eh, probably. Who knows anymore.
― scott seward"
i saw that movie! it was terrible!
"at one point that was the idea of this thread, I don't know when it became about steely dan
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine)"
it just kind of drifted. i don't think there's anybody here seriously stanning for being a complete asshole to random people on aesthetic matters of little to no consequence (though i could be wrong on this!) so eventually we hit steely dan and name acrostics.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 22:03 (seven years ago) link
I feel like there's more pressure to like Fleetwood Mac than Steely Dan on ILM (imho)
good thing I'm a dad who likes both of these popular FM classic rock groups!
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 22:06 (seven years ago) link
prophet jr.
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 22:17 (seven years ago) link
xp not only did they record great albums, they're also top shelf material for showing off your new hifi setup
― niels, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 22:19 (seven years ago) link
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, February 8, 2017 2:12 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is funny i was listening to Traffic's "The low spark of high heeled boys" and side A kept reminding me of Steely Dan.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 22:33 (seven years ago) link
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, February 8, 2017 8:48 AM (thirteen hours ago)
no, that would be a retarded conclusion to draw.
― sarahell, Thursday, 9 February 2017 06:15 (seven years ago) link
I feel like there's more pressure to like Fleetwood Mac than Steely Dan on ILM (imho)good thing I'm a dad who likes both of these popular FM classic rock groups!― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, February 8, 2017 5:06 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, February 8, 2017 5:06 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no one dislikes fleetwood mac in society either.
― Treeship, Thursday, 9 February 2017 06:19 (seven years ago) link
You say you want the younger people in here but I've been subscribed to some music subreddits seemingly filled with people below 20s like r/music, r/indieheads, r/hiphopheads, r/listentothis and r/futurebeats and while the music being shared is sometimes nice I think they'd run in tears if they spent an hour in ILM. They can't stand a single critique about anything in there even if it's not a mean one.
― dance cum rituals (Moka), Thursday, 9 February 2017 08:41 (seven years ago) link
isn't that the nature of reddit being a terrible place to have a serious discussion about anything? with those sort of genre-segregated boards + very large readership + reddit's upvote system you generally get boring hivemind consensuses that downvote anything critical of it rather than interesting and critical discussions.
― ufo, Thursday, 9 February 2017 09:14 (seven years ago) link
wait, people dont like abba?
― nxd, Thursday, 9 February 2017 09:39 (seven years ago) link
*raises hand*
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 9 February 2017 09:48 (seven years ago) link
*raises it higher*
I think that Steely Dan is like cilantro -- there are people that just aren't into it, no matter how much someone that loves it can try and convince someone that it's awesome, it just tastes like soap or whatever people who don't like cilantro think it tastes like -- whatever that taste is, that is how I feel about Steely Dan. And as a lover of cilantro, I can accept that people have different tastes: people that love Steely Dan can just shake their heads and believe I am missing out, just like I do about people who dislike cilantro, one of the most delicious herbs known to humanity.
― sarahell, Thursday, 9 February 2017 10:18 (seven years ago) link
I don't really like Fleetwood Mac, Van Morrison, Steely Dan OR Eric Clapton, AMA.
ABBA were critically rehabilitated more than 20 years ago, you would have to be the most unreconstructed classical rockist mojo reader to not consider them canon now (for better or for worse - I like them, not as much as some though)
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Thursday, 9 February 2017 10:40 (seven years ago) link
Not sure what Eric Clapton is doing in there, no-one likes him.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 February 2017 10:45 (seven years ago) link
for Steely Dan insert any artist in any sphere of art and this is true, which is why certain kinds of opinion - those that seek to prove cilantro tastes great/horrible by algebra, or those that just repeat over and over "I love/hate cilantro and there's nothing you can do to stop me", or those furrow-browed "why the hell does anybody like the taste of cilantro?" comments - are stupid and mockworthy and to be chased away if you feel like it on any given day
― Dick Hole Son (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 February 2017 10:48 (seven years ago) link
xp Fair enough. Sure there is someone out there though.
Steely Dan seem to be all-time-favourite-artists of pretty much everyone at the AV Club
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Thursday, 9 February 2017 10:50 (seven years ago) link
Have Steely Dan got anything with this yacht rock thing? Something of which I have no knowledge whatsoever beyond the fact that there's a thread about it on ILM... I think.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 February 2017 10:57 (seven years ago) link
I think all this bloody Steely Dan talk is a deterrent for younger music nerds far more than the fighting.
― nashwan, Thursday, 9 February 2017 10:58 (seven years ago) link
xxp - we haven't polled the best food products that contain cilantro
― sarahell, Thursday, 9 February 2017 10:59 (seven years ago) link
Steely Dan are Yacht Rock-adjacent iirc
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 9 February 2017 11:04 (seven years ago) link
As a young person I can confirm I made fun of a middle aged customer in front of his mates for liking Steely Dan within the last year.
― devvvine, Thursday, 9 February 2017 11:08 (seven years ago) link
(I am open to being converted tho)
― devvvine, Thursday, 9 February 2017 11:09 (seven years ago) link
you monster
― glumdalclitch, Thursday, 9 February 2017 11:27 (seven years ago) link
Show no mercy to dickhole dads.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 February 2017 11:46 (seven years ago) link
heyyy was there ever a yacht rock poll?
― niels, Thursday, 9 February 2017 12:10 (seven years ago) link
Is Cilantro any different to Coriander? Like in the way US Ginseng is completely different to Chinese Ginseng.
― calzino, Thursday, 9 February 2017 12:44 (seven years ago) link
― Camaraderie at Arms Length
i think even mojo like abba now. as for eric clapton he is at least hatable on "racist shitbag" grounds. kind of like there's a contingent who really love the music of kiss, and they'd probably be unimpeachably canon if gene simmons wasn't such a completely horrible human being.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Thursday, 9 February 2017 12:53 (seven years ago) link
― devvvine, Thursday, February 9, 2017 4:09 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
read one of the long threads about gaucho then listen to gaucho imo
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 February 2017 13:25 (seven years ago) link
Will give it a try, thanks.
― devvvine, Thursday, 9 February 2017 13:31 (seven years ago) link
then apologise to that elderly man you attacked
― wins, Thursday, 9 February 2017 13:34 (seven years ago) link
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Thursday, 9 February 2017 13:34 (seven years ago) link
"i think even mojo like abba now."
They did and ABBA cover issue about 15 years ago
― glumdalclitch, Thursday, 9 February 2017 13:39 (seven years ago) link
Or redouble your attack depending on what you think of Gaucho.(xp)
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 February 2017 13:40 (seven years ago) link
Gaucho is the grower for the already-converted - start with Katy Lied imo.
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 9 February 2017 13:42 (seven years ago) link
A greatest hits would be best. I wouldn't start with Gaucho.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 February 2017 13:46 (seven years ago) link
yeah i thought about that even though i immediately loved gaucho
i've never been a newcomer to a band through an ilm poll but the steely dan poll is a really good summary of their stuff. good writing in the rollout too iirc
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 February 2017 13:48 (seven years ago) link
Committed to Gaucho, Don't hate this so far. Babylon Sisters vibe reminds me of the drinks party in The Player.
― devvvine, Thursday, 9 February 2017 13:52 (seven years ago) link
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uwxTYjq2ChU/UVTTliSW_vI/AAAAAAAAGzo/PQjkK93fnBo/s1600/DicksParty_ThePlayer.jpg
― devvvine, Thursday, 9 February 2017 13:53 (seven years ago) link
I listened to some of Katy Lied. I just don't like it, sorry. Specifically I don't like those 70s classic rock vocals and guitar solos, they just leave me completely cold.
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Thursday, 9 February 2017 14:07 (seven years ago) link
serious, i highly recommend the "buy up the discography, focus on it for a week" approach. when i picked up SD's stuff, i didn't go on my computer for a month. try it!
― gear (gear), Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:13 PM (ten years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this post haunts my thoughts quite often
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Thursday, 9 February 2017 14:11 (seven years ago) link
Cilantro has no business being anywhere near Cuban food.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 February 2017 14:12 (seven years ago) link
reminds me that I need to check out the new-ish cuban restaurant
i'll resist bringing my own cilantro
― mh 😏, Thursday, 9 February 2017 14:20 (seven years ago) link
that's what i did. i think i picked up the entire SD catalog for a few bucks an album at a single record store
― marcos, Thursday, 9 February 2017 14:32 (seven years ago) link
i hate abba btw
steely dan rule.
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 9 February 2017 14:41 (seven years ago) link
Listen to peg on repeat as you eat a cilantro salad no dressing
― Sufjan Grafton, Thursday, 9 February 2017 14:41 (seven years ago) link
it will come back to you
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 February 2017 14:44 (seven years ago) link
you'll see it all in 3d
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 February 2017 14:45 (seven years ago) link
solitary posts that single-handedly define ILX
― sleeve, Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:15 (seven years ago) link
This is how I'd consume media if the average human lifespan was a million years
― Treeship, Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:20 (seven years ago) link
Cilantro Is Delicious On Tacos. Here's Why.
― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:21 (seven years ago) link
Ha that's how I got into Steely Dan. The Goodwill had a bunch of cassettes so I bought Katy Lied to see if I liked it. I did and went back and bought the rest. All of the original run except Gaucho. I listened to nothing else for a few months.
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:25 (seven years ago) link
this is some stepford wives shit
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:28 (seven years ago) link
it definitely happens to people who never thought they would end up sitting around listening to steely dan. The Steely Dan Epiphany. someone should write that book. it's probably an age thing most of the time. this is probably true for genre too. mellow major dudes listening to more jazz as they get older and more sedentary.
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:29 (seven years ago) link
you fight it, imago, and in five years, bam, you are a goner. crying along to deacon blues. a pathetic mess.
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:31 (seven years ago) link
I turn 30 next week. aaaaaaaaaargh
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:33 (seven years ago) link
rip imago
― mh 😏, Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:35 (seven years ago) link
lj's run
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:38 (seven years ago) link
your steely dan albums are in the mail
― mh 😏, Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:39 (seven years ago) link
Remember, this leafy green garnish was the indifferent aristocracy to punk rock's stone-throwing in the late 70's. People fought
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:39 (seven years ago) link
not like this...not like this
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:42 (seven years ago) link
Green Garnish was in Scritti Politti not Steely Dan
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:43 (seven years ago) link
aren't they the british steely dan
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:44 (seven years ago) link
That's Steeleye Span.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:46 (seven years ago) link
it's probably the blue nile or one of those other oppressive science-of-the-mundane bands tim and brad will slowly, attritionally and inevitably get me to like
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:48 (seven years ago) link
thoughts on parsley?
― Evan, Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:48 (seven years ago) link
garsley
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:50 (seven years ago) link
Who is the grouch? Oh, imago.
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 9 February 2017 16:07 (seven years ago) link
what kind of grouch misquotes ogden nash so liberally
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Thursday, 9 February 2017 16:13 (seven years ago) link
'Who are the British Steely Dan?' is actually a really difficult question to answer.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 9 February 2017 16:23 (seven years ago) link
10cc obv.
― Tim, Thursday, 9 February 2017 16:26 (seven years ago) link
(not really obv, obv)
― Tim, Thursday, 9 February 2017 16:27 (seven years ago) link
That is *exactly* the sort of thing I was reaching for.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 9 February 2017 16:28 (seven years ago) link
here they are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3q3eKVBuoo
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 February 2017 16:30 (seven years ago) link
took me another 10 years, don't worry about it (yet)
― mookieproof, Thursday, 9 February 2017 17:28 (seven years ago) link
Traffic are British steely dan
― Sufjan Grafton, Thursday, 9 February 2017 17:33 (seven years ago) link
also "my old school" is the steely dan song that pairs best with mint cilantro chutney
― Sufjan Grafton, Thursday, 9 February 2017 17:37 (seven years ago) link
🗻
love Traffic, especially Mr. Fantasy, and still can't get SD. suppose you mean TLSoHHB. I try SD every so often and, no. just bought an ES-335 and I've been listening to Larry Carlton, so perhaps this is the year.
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Thursday, 9 February 2017 17:46 (seven years ago) link
you are collecting dan accoutrements
― Sufjan Grafton, Thursday, 9 February 2017 17:51 (seven years ago) link
but it isn't necessary. you may cancel the divorce proceedings.
― Sufjan Grafton, Thursday, 9 February 2017 17:52 (seven years ago) link
Supertramp probably remind me of Steely Dan more than traffic does. i don't think i ever would have thought of SD listening to Traffic. Supertramp: wordy story songs, progressive, horns, "clever", huge pop/rock hits, ubiquitous on radio for decades, idiosyncratic lead vocals, nerdy, top-notch musicality and production.
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 February 2017 18:11 (seven years ago) link
something i can't get away from on Facebook OR ILM: people actually listening to paul mccartney solo albums and, like, talking about them at length seriously. i don't know how old i would have to be to do that. and i'm old!
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 February 2017 18:17 (seven years ago) link
I got started at age 14 or 15 - sure, I think about quitting sometimes, but let's be real.
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 9 February 2017 18:41 (seven years ago) link
Not to interrupt this legit-amazing digression but I wanted to point this out--
--as a possible hint why ILX might actually seem less essential in these days: after years of being way ahead of the curve, it seems that in the past couple years, the rest of the Internet is starting to catch up
― gaznevada coombes (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 9 February 2017 20:10 (seven years ago) link
XTC are the British Steely Dan.
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Thursday, 9 February 2017 20:15 (seven years ago) link
― Dick Hole Son (Noodle Vague), Thursday, February 9, 2017 2:48 AM (nine hours ago
I don't think is true. I think there are some artists (at least in the ILX discourse) that are more like bacon than cilantro. There are a lot of people who love them, but there are others that are ethically opposed and still others that mock the adoration of the bacon-artist fans and think they are overrated and overplayed.
― sarahell, Thursday, 9 February 2017 20:16 (seven years ago) link
is Avalon era Roxy Music the British Steely Dan?
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 February 2017 20:24 (seven years ago) link
cockney rebel got kinda steely dan
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 February 2017 20:29 (seven years ago) link
I think there are some artists (at least in the ILX discourse) that are more like bacon than cilantro
oh man i smell an awesome theory cooking
― j., Thursday, 9 February 2017 20:50 (seven years ago) link
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown
well no cuz SD had no members that looked like these two
http://68.media.tumblr.com/5daafc78c5fe29fc635f109942daa32e/tumblr_npe09jkvkl1u75h85o1_400.gif
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 February 2017 20:51 (seven years ago) link
re the bacon vs. cilantro theory -- someone else mentioned KISS upthread --they are def. in the bacon category
― sarahell, Thursday, 9 February 2017 20:52 (seven years ago) link
oh for this board to be so quiet again
― nashwan, Thursday, 9 February 2017 20:54 (seven years ago) link
if that is bacon then what is bread in this theory
― j., Thursday, 9 February 2017 21:03 (seven years ago) link
bread = artists it has become fashionable to claim being allergic to in the past few years? idk
― sarahell, Thursday, 9 February 2017 21:07 (seven years ago) link
― sleeve, Thursday, 9 February 2017 21:11 (seven years ago) link
http://bravewords-public.s3.amazonaws.com/images/p17ng4m1tb26vvmh1dd94pf16ol6.jpg
― Evan, Thursday, 9 February 2017 21:12 (seven years ago) link
not every food product has an equivalent artist
― sarahell, Thursday, 9 February 2017 21:13 (seven years ago) link
Belle & Sebastian. Except Bread were much better.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 February 2017 21:13 (seven years ago) link
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/3f/dc/b2/3fdcb2a4396f221d068260e957b0e587.jpg
― Evan, Thursday, 9 February 2017 21:13 (seven years ago) link
palm oil is the lost prophets of vegan fat
― nomar, Thursday, 9 February 2017 21:26 (seven years ago) link
still trying to wrap my mind about how *disliking* yacht rock makes one an out-of-touch dad
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 9 February 2017 21:28 (seven years ago) link
(bacon might be a good comparison: an oily, smarmy kind of thing elevated to meme status by legions of dudes)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 9 February 2017 21:29 (seven years ago) link
Didn't realise Fleetwood Mac were one of the defining yacht rock bands.
But I don't think it's hard to imagine kids liking this stuff instead of what your average punk dad likes. Maybe after Ariel Pink, Kanye West and Justin Timberlake sampling or namedropping that stuff.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 9 February 2017 21:40 (seven years ago) link
to a lot of people they are! (I can tolerate them more than most other artists in the category, but)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 9 February 2017 21:42 (seven years ago) link
ground zero for baconing culture might have been the Big Lebowski. subsequent baconings include bill murray, werner herzog, and sriracha.
― nomar, Thursday, 9 February 2017 21:42 (seven years ago) link
lebowski gets a pass for hating the fuckin' eagles
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 9 February 2017 21:44 (seven years ago) link
i dont think herzog has been baconed yet
― marcos, Thursday, 9 February 2017 21:44 (seven years ago) link
i mean how many people are really going to sit down w/ aguirre the wrath of god
― marcos, Thursday, 9 February 2017 21:45 (seven years ago) link
https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.29259198.2032/ra,fitted_v_neck,x1100,45474B:e9c9d4e890,front-c,260,195,225,375-pad,220x294,ffffff.2.jpg
― nomar, Thursday, 9 February 2017 21:46 (seven years ago) link
low-level baconing to be sure but baconing nonetheless
― nomar, Thursday, 9 February 2017 21:47 (seven years ago) link
living it up at the joke-tel California
― sarahell, Thursday, 9 February 2017 21:57 (seven years ago) link
"subsequent baconings include bill murray, werner herzog, and sriracha."
friggin' IPA. everyone likes beer and then people ruin it.
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 February 2017 22:16 (seven years ago) link
IPA, good christ. i live on the west coast and it's like "we brew both kinds of beer: IPA and double IPA"
― nomar, Thursday, 9 February 2017 22:18 (seven years ago) link
that article in the new york times about people standing in line all night to buy IPA. ugh. get one real beer. at a store. and then go home.
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 February 2017 22:20 (seven years ago) link
Oh god, articles in the new york times
― Sufjan Grafton, Thursday, 9 February 2017 22:27 (seven years ago) link
you keep up with current events we get it
― Sufjan Grafton, Thursday, 9 February 2017 22:28 (seven years ago) link
Hey, I like IPAs! I wouldn't stand in line for one, but I enjoy the drink.
― Evan, Thursday, 9 February 2017 22:28 (seven years ago) link
it was just like two days ago. big article. about standing in line.
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 February 2017 22:31 (seven years ago) link
i think everyone in line was a fan of The National.
hate it when national fans bring kids to the beer line
― Sufjan Grafton, Thursday, 9 February 2017 22:35 (seven years ago) link
oh shit sorry you are a beer line person. sorry.
just not an IPA fan. its symptomatic of something about america that i don't like. oooh, four kinds of nutmeg....
a too muchness thing. 14% goblincock beer kinda thing. you can't actually taste 8 kinds of hops in a beer. it's scientifically impossible.
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 February 2017 22:41 (seven years ago) link
I liked IPAs. Then IPAs ruined it for me. Actually had a really good one not long ago. Long Tail Limbo, but ymmv. But I keep buying them because they're usually the only beer at my liquor store that's not a lager or a stout.
― how's life, Thursday, 9 February 2017 22:42 (seven years ago) link
you should try crushing some sessionable IPAs with some National fans sometime
― Sufjan Grafton, Thursday, 9 February 2017 22:45 (seven years ago) link
when my kid is grown up enough to ask what beer tastes like I'm gonna give him an IPA
― frogbs, Thursday, 9 February 2017 22:48 (seven years ago) link
i bought a 6-pack of IPA last night! they make it at a trappist monastery up the road. i get my jam from them too. it's simple. i just like beer with like 4 things in it. that goes for jam too. there is a store here that has about 1000 beers and i just get the same boring german/belgian stuff.
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 February 2017 22:57 (seven years ago) link
fucking america can't brew a beer that doesn't have 3,000 calories in it, jesus. if it's not the ipas it's the fucking bourbon barrel everything. i mean i guess the plus side is i can drink one and then not eat for a week, but jesus.
i had a zombie dust yesterday. it was okay. not the best beer i've ever had.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Thursday, 9 February 2017 23:01 (seven years ago) link
i think it's just a cultural thing. americans really love beer that is either water or heavy as fuck. red state/blue state.
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 February 2017 23:02 (seven years ago) link
i think microbrewers are worried that fucking idiot The National fans won't be able to tell the difference between a light refreshing beer and budweiser. and they're probably right.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Thursday, 9 February 2017 23:04 (seven years ago) link
yeah and they do need to stand out because of all the competition and all the garish goblincock beer labels out there. i get it.
have you ever tried an american microbrew "pilsner". they're cute. get back to me in 500 years, beerbro.
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 February 2017 23:08 (seven years ago) link
The National indie band or The Nationals baseball team?
― how's life, Thursday, 9 February 2017 23:10 (seven years ago) link
http://images2.laweekly.com/imager/u/745xauto/5492832/photo-3-adjust.jpg
http://www.laweekly.com/music/what-else-are-steely-dan-fans-doing-at-coachella-5492765
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 February 2017 23:17 (seven years ago) link
i knew something like this must exist:
The Dan AbidesDanger Brewing CompanyHomebrew, Porter - American
no t-shirts though. someone should get on that. $$$!
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 February 2017 23:34 (seven years ago) link
all those dudes look like ilxors
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Thursday, 9 February 2017 23:37 (seven years ago) link
I don't know how I got here, or when.― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 10:59 AM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 10:59 AM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm the same way. I believe I joined around 2007, but I have no idea how I found this place. I want to say it was from a blog post from an established music critic, but I can't remember. It wasn't google, though.
― Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Thursday, 9 February 2017 23:48 (seven years ago) link
I joined in 2007. I was at one of the lowest points in my life and was googling things like "I am sad" and "I am lonely" etc. One day I made a conscious decision to turn that around and google things that I actually liked instead, and I googled "I love music". It was a move that exponentially enriched my life.
― how's life, Friday, 10 February 2017 00:42 (seven years ago) link
I posted 15 years ago with a thread that reflected my age and naivete. I got made fun of for liking Tori Amos and some ilxors were pretty mean. Didn't post for 15 years but lurked the whole time and honestly love this place.
― Everything Moves Towards The Sun (Ross), Friday, 10 February 2017 01:08 (seven years ago) link
please provide a list of which beers are acceptable to drink
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Friday, 10 February 2017 01:20 (seven years ago) link
like, seriously, I'm not saying this is an example of "toxicity" or whatever before anyone jumps down my throat, but I am saying that I am going to be even more self-conscious when ordering a drink than I already am
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Friday, 10 February 2017 01:21 (seven years ago) link
"I was at one of the lowest points in my life and was googling things like "I am sad" and "I am lonely" etc. One day I made a conscious decision to turn that around and google things that I actually liked instead, and I googled "I love music". It was a move that exponentially enriched my life."
http://previews.123rf.com/images/wavebreakmediamicro/wavebreakmediamicro1408/wavebreakmediamicro140807347/30873481-Happy-nerd-jumping-up-and-pointing-on-white-background-Stock-Photo.jpg
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 01:21 (seven years ago) link
Katherine, as you may know, that's why I stick to gin. It's the Geneva of alcohol.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 February 2017 01:22 (seven years ago) link
that's the new recruitment poster! we need to print those out. and we need a snappy ILX logo. can someone do that?
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 01:22 (seven years ago) link
and a new slogan. "FEEL THE....ILX!"
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 01:23 (seven years ago) link
IPAs give me headaches, so not those. yuengling supported trump, so not that. the rest are fine
― mookieproof, Friday, 10 February 2017 01:24 (seven years ago) link
I can have opinions about stupid american beer culture. i don't really care what people drink. i never leave the house! i just read an article in the paper. and it reminded me of stupid stuff i think is stupid.
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 01:25 (seven years ago) link
i've never been a big fan of the american heavy alcohol percentage/stupid label/knock your socks on your ass thing. and i'm even a metal fan. and same goes for wine. would rather drink some cheap italian table wine than a lot of pricier american headache-makers. but that's just me. we are all different.
i think most people can handle my scathing beer opinions. but i mean standing in line all night in the bitter cold for beer? they sell beer everywhere! i've never been a big line person though.
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 01:29 (seven years ago) link
i should point out that despite my bitching about ipas i just drank two and they were fabulous.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 10 February 2017 01:30 (seven years ago) link
horchata blue moon is like drinking an ilx thread
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 10 February 2017 01:32 (seven years ago) link
IPAs aren't inherently bad, i think it's the fact that at least here on the west coast it's the style that's most overwhelmingly popular. i mean i like the dirty projectors too but i don't want my local record store to stock 75% dirty projectors soundalikes.
― nomar, Friday, 10 February 2017 01:32 (seven years ago) link
I like "session IPAs": hoppy but still light enough to have with food. Evil Twin Citra Sunshine Slacker is one I've been drinking lately.
― o. nate, Friday, 10 February 2017 01:34 (seven years ago) link
random thoughts:
just as there are crappy liquors that are more likely to give you a headache, there are crappy wines that will give you a headache
i thought the ipa craze was an american thing
and in terms of beer giving me a headache, i usually drink no more than 650ml/22oz per sitting and only one or two days a week so i've not experienced a beer-induced headache in a long time
i'm sure i can get one if i drink a 12oz 18%abv stout though (i've never drunk an entire bottle)
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Friday, 10 February 2017 02:25 (seven years ago) link
drinking a modern times black house while listening to the national rn
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 10 February 2017 02:34 (seven years ago) link
i can't really drink beer like i used to. cuz i am an old steely dan dad. wine is fine though. i am drinking tormaresca neprica puglia right now. negroamaro/primitivo/cabernet sauvignon.
but i only opened a bottle because i was making beef stew.
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 02:42 (seven years ago) link
those two spencer beers i had last night were tasty though!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcEurIyUEAAX36E.jpg
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 02:43 (seven years ago) link
and i only had those beers because i was losing it in a big way. 39 days without smoking cigarettes and it is no easier than the first day. even with nicorette products. even harder maybe....
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 02:45 (seven years ago) link
beer advocate people are claiming that it is not actually trappist!
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 10 February 2017 02:56 (seven years ago) link
Trapp House...
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 03:03 (seven years ago) link
Beerz in the Trap
― Treeship, Friday, 10 February 2017 03:04 (seven years ago) link
Treesh I had horchata blue moon on christmas and did not hate it
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 10 February 2017 03:06 (seven years ago) link
i never read that though. they built a brewery at the monastery! i like their beer.
http://www.spencerbrewery.com/
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 03:11 (seven years ago) link
Yes but does it taste like horchata?
― Treeship, Friday, 10 February 2017 03:16 (seven years ago) link
Although i guess a trappist ipa is at least as incongruous.
― Treeship, Friday, 10 February 2017 03:20 (seven years ago) link
I just drank a rochefort trappiste 10 in honour of you dudes
And ya they need to have the trappist approved label I'm afraid
But enjoy what you drink and all and glory be to god me lads
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Friday, 10 February 2017 03:26 (seven years ago) link
yeah, spencer is the only trappist approved beer in the u.s. i think.
they make an imperial stout. which i don't think i've ever seen another trappist brewery do!
their regular ale is nice and fresh and clean and normal. i dig it. no big whoop. and its not cheap. but i only need a four pack every couple of months. so, it suits my purposes.
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 03:39 (seven years ago) link
I really support all the directions this thread has taken. Maybe all ilx needs is just to lock all other threads and concentrate everything here in a critical mass of Steely Dan and hating on bougie/alt/hipster/creative class beer trends.
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Friday, 10 February 2017 03:53 (seven years ago) link
There should definitely only be one thread.
― Treeship, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:06 (seven years ago) link
return of monoculture
― k3vin k., Friday, 10 February 2017 04:07 (seven years ago) link
california wine fucking rules
the ipa hops arms race sucks
― a but (brimstead), Friday, 10 February 2017 04:07 (seven years ago) link
Cali wine is v good actually
My dad and stepmom are the ones that recommend the good stuff tho cos i kno very little about that
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Friday, 10 February 2017 04:13 (seven years ago) link
the cool thing about the IPA craze is you can just choose not to drink them
― k3vin k., Friday, 10 February 2017 04:16 (seven years ago) link
they are making pinot noir beer now
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:20 (seven years ago) link
Yeah but they take up all the taps and bodega fridge shelf space. It's like kudzu.
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Friday, 10 February 2017 04:21 (seven years ago) link
http://garageproject.co.nz/products/rose-de-la-vallee
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:22 (seven years ago) link
yeah there are good cali wines. good wines from all over! i just love that Italian stuff. and French stuff. cheap Bordeaux is all i need.
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:22 (seven years ago) link
~barleywine~
― Evan, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:23 (seven years ago) link
Oh man thatms a style to get you rekt
― Treeship, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:23 (seven years ago) link
The stout crowd is p big in la
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Friday, 10 February 2017 04:24 (seven years ago) link
I feel like goses are still growing in popularity. They are perfect for summer - an entry level sour
― Treeship, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:29 (seven years ago) link
i'm a stout/scotch ale/porter/barleywine guy myself. but i've mostly been drinking red wine these days. which is not much at all, tbh.
― nomar, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:29 (seven years ago) link
gose is the worst thing I've ever drank
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:31 (seven years ago) link
it is worse than colonoscopy prep
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:32 (seven years ago) link
in the 90's i worked at this beer store in philly that was one of the only stores at the time in center city that had a massive selection - run by an insane dutch guy - and i didn't work there long but i almost died trying everything. and the barleywine was definitely a big part of that.
thomas hardy's ale - ooooooof. so much sick shit. tasty though. Belgium annihilated me.
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:32 (seven years ago) link
Nothing will ever rival IPAs because no other style includes a single flavor that brewers can continually exaggerate. There is a teleological dimension to IPAs that set them apart from all other drinks.
― Treeship, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:33 (seven years ago) link
Goses are the fucking best. The mild saltiness is what does it. It needs to be hot though and you need to be outside for the beer to work its magic.
― Treeship, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:34 (seven years ago) link
perhaps if I were dying of thirst
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:35 (seven years ago) link
only had otra vez. Maybe it is bad.
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:36 (seven years ago) link
i do love sour. flemish sour. monk's cafe. sourer the betterer.
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:37 (seven years ago) link
Yeah Monks is the bomb. I loved living in Philly.
― Treeship, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:39 (seven years ago) link
Sixpoint Jammer > Otra Vez
― Treeship, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:40 (seven years ago) link
― Treeship, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:41 (seven years ago) link
yes, monk's the bar but also monk's the beer! so good.
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:41 (seven years ago) link
rodenbach grand cru....mmmmmmmm. gonna get all sour tomorrow. it's a date! fuck cigarettes. i really want a cigarette...
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:42 (seven years ago) link
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gose#/media/File%3AGoseLeipzig.jpg
I wonder what this tastes like, if it's like the goses I've had on tap in American bars
― Treeship, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:43 (seven years ago) link
Oh yeah yes to rodenbach grand cru and monk's beer. Legit sours are amazing. I think their appeal might be limited -- goses I can see blowing up, and this is a website where we are supposed to examine culture/evaluate trends/stay relevant
― Treeship, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:44 (seven years ago) link
For instance Cinammon Horchata Ale is good as a metaphor
― Treeship, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:45 (seven years ago) link
this is where i worked. i think the dutch guy sold it though. it was a really hard place to work! it was like a cave in back. and it would get insanely busy on the weekend. people would come from new jersey to buy beer. this was before there was good beer everywhere.
http://www.fooderybeer.com/
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:49 (seven years ago) link
i switched to days there and the owner would just watch me all day on the hidden camera he had in his office upstairs. i would get a million phone calls from him. everything had to be just so.
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 04:51 (seven years ago) link
I had a pretty good nitro spiced stout at the movies tonight.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 10 February 2017 05:15 (seven years ago) link
The Grand Cru and their yearly vintage releases are absolutely my favorite beers of all time.
― octobeard, Friday, 10 February 2017 06:21 (seven years ago) link
how does ilx feel about these guys?
http://gearpatrol.com/2015/03/13/best-american-wild-ales/
― Treeship, Friday, 10 February 2017 06:36 (seven years ago) link
guys=american wild ales
― Treeship, Friday, 10 February 2017 06:49 (seven years ago) link
I've only had supplication. It's nice but one of those hard to find beers so I wouldn't go out of my way for it
Will try to do a little more drinking than usual this weekend
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Friday, 10 February 2017 07:48 (seven years ago) link
i think ilm needs more women but that time has probably come and gone? idk.― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:40 (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:40 (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
cue 50000 posts about steely dan & ipas
jsl :/
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 10 February 2017 08:57 (seven years ago) link
I joined in 2007. I was at one of the lowest points in my life and was googling things like "I am sad" and "I am lonely" etc. One day I made a conscious decision to turn that around and google things that I actually liked instead, and I googled "I love music". It was a move that exponentially enriched my life.― how's life, Friday, 10 February 2017 00:42 (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― how's life, Friday, 10 February 2017 00:42 (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i know scott remarked on this already but i just want to say orson_welles_clap.gif
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 10 February 2017 08:58 (seven years ago) link
I posted 15 years ago with a thread that reflected my age and naivete. I got made fun of for liking Tori Amos and some ilxors were pretty mean. Didn't post for 15 years but lurked the whole time and honestly love this place.― Everything Moves Towards The Sun (Ross), Friday, 10 February 2017 01:08 (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Everything Moves Towards The Sun (Ross), Friday, 10 February 2017 01:08 (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oh man! :/
you know some of the most 'canonical' ILM posters ever absolutely ADORE tori amos
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 10 February 2017 08:59 (seven years ago) link
lol I wasn't here 15 years ago but a couple of years after that one of my motivations was to set all you people right about Tori Amos
to no avail though - Tim F has to be one of ILM's greatest tastemakers, rightfully able to get most of the board to follow him wherever he goes, but even when he posts about Tori it's met with tumbleweeds (outside of the hardcore fans)
― lex pretend, Friday, 10 February 2017 09:21 (seven years ago) link
Boys for Pele >>>>> your fave
Only been lurking/posting for about five years but this place always seemed way more in to Tori than anywhere else.
― devvvine, Friday, 10 February 2017 09:51 (seven years ago) link
this is so sweet & heartwarming, & should def be the advert that ilx aspires to deserve
― ogmor, Friday, 10 February 2017 09:59 (seven years ago) link
I've been listening to Tori quite a bit lately. I have had a few beers in the past week or so: PBR, Tecate, oh and a Lagunitas something or other that was free at work.
― sarahell, Friday, 10 February 2017 10:48 (seven years ago) link
No results found for "bacon cilantro ipa"
― wins, Friday, 10 February 2017 10:59 (seven years ago) link
There is a coriander bitter called umbel that you see in pubs round here, it is not v nice
― wins, Friday, 10 February 2017 11:01 (seven years ago) link
those sound like the beer equiv of jute gyte
― sarahell, Friday, 10 February 2017 11:22 (seven years ago) link
not sour enough
― ogmor, Friday, 10 February 2017 12:08 (seven years ago) link
jute gyte is closer to rodenbach grand cru (and i've long associated it with the complexity and obsession-forming violence of higher-tier belgian sour) - no idea how it was conceived of or made but it's the greatest stuff out there. and yes, xposted by ogmor there in concordance
novelty ales* are more like the weird wonky artpop i get gleefully distracted by every year - see for instance blanche blanche blanche
*i appreciate that yesterday's novelty ales can become tomorrow's neoclassical masterpieces and indeed the trend towards gooseberry gose is already creating a formidable canon, but i'm essentially talking about those ales whose value is anecdotal rather than savoury
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Friday, 10 February 2017 12:16 (seven years ago) link
that does blanche x3 down rather though. the analogy is increasingly flawed the further one escapes formalism
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Friday, 10 February 2017 12:19 (seven years ago) link
or perhaps blanche x3, connan mockasin etc are among the gooseberry goses and the coriander umbels are the ones that don't stick despite an initial flourish - ingenious gimmicks like the band pivot from a while back
it doesn't quite settle along esoteric vs exoteric lines, but we are in the realm of high formal anguish
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Friday, 10 February 2017 12:26 (seven years ago) link
the beer that would least fit my personality would be.....a smoked porter. with bacon.
i am definitely a sourpuss.
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 12:34 (seven years ago) link
high five, smoked beer is repulsive
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Friday, 10 February 2017 12:37 (seven years ago) link
(usually)
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Friday, 10 February 2017 12:38 (seven years ago) link
wrong
http://www.schlenkerla.de/indexe.html
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 10 February 2017 12:38 (seven years ago) link
In the middle of the old part of Bamberg, directly beneath the mighty cathedral, one can find the historic smoked beer brewery Schlenkerla. First mentioned in 1405 and now run by the Trum family in the 6th generation, it is the fountain of Original Schlenkerla Smokebeer (in German language it's called "Aecht Schlenkerla Rauchbier"). The smoked beer is here at the brewery tavern still being tapped directly from the wooden barrel according to old tradition.
"Even if the brew tastes somewhat strange at the first swallow, do not stop, because soon you will realize that your thirst will not decrease and your pleasure will visibly increase."
i've posted this before but it bears repeating.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 10 February 2017 12:39 (seven years ago) link
that was definitely the first smoked beer i ever had. i didn't have too many though.
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 12:42 (seven years ago) link
me too. my girlfriend loves it though
i wonder which musical ideology that parting aphorism lines up most snugly to
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Friday, 10 February 2017 12:43 (seven years ago) link
every time i read their site i just imagine myself strolling through bamberg on some cold winter day and wandering into the brewery to a big roaring fire and some wurst and beer, a sort of vision of the afterlife.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 10 February 2017 12:48 (seven years ago) link
playing an oompah version of 'Peg'
― nashwan, Friday, 10 February 2017 12:50 (seven years ago) link
reminds me of..........i had one of those strange experiences recently where i put on a CD to check something out that i remember people raving about years ago and i kinda made one of those faces while it was playing like: ehhhhh, yeahhhhh, okayyyyyy.....i GET this. like a jaded jerk. and then a day later i thought....hmmm, MAYBE i'll play it one more time. heard one song that sounded better than the first time i played it. a day later i played that CD ten times in a row. and i was like WOW talk about the slow burn! it came out in 2003. an American indie rock album.
and that CD was.....
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 12:50 (seven years ago) link
i don't know if its the smoked beer of indie rock records though.
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 12:51 (seven years ago) link
i'll give you ten guesses.
Dumpy's Rusty Nuts
― calzino, Friday, 10 February 2017 12:52 (seven years ago) link
close. wait, not close.
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 12:53 (seven years ago) link
The Wrens
― nashwan, Friday, 10 February 2017 12:53 (seven years ago) link
you got it!
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 12:54 (seven years ago) link
two guesses. very impressive.
Now I can die.
― nashwan, Friday, 10 February 2017 12:54 (seven years ago) link
Now we can all die.
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 12:55 (seven years ago) link
Dumpy's Rusty Nuts has become my default answer to all bands questions these days.
― calzino, Friday, 10 February 2017 12:56 (seven years ago) link
they are probably better than Pavement or whoever.
― calzino, Friday, 10 February 2017 12:58 (seven years ago) link
Up there with Ned's Atomic Dustbin.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 10 February 2017 13:13 (seven years ago) link
ok i had the exact same experience with the meadowlands, wow
great record
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 15:02 (seven years ago) link
I'm not sure why that record/band is a punchline here. That album is unique and special.
― Evan, Friday, 10 February 2017 15:14 (seven years ago) link
Smoked beer will make your breath smell like hot dogs
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 10 February 2017 15:49 (seven years ago) link
sold
― nxd, Friday, 10 February 2017 15:50 (seven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/FBqKOTR.png
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Friday, 10 February 2017 15:51 (seven years ago) link
smoked beers are awesome
a few months ago i had this style of beer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grodziskie, a Polish smoked wheat beer and it was really good. strange to have a smoked beer that was very light, usually they are dark
― marcos, Friday, 10 February 2017 15:57 (seven years ago) link
gose is an amazing style of beer but the US market has been swamped with awful versions of it
I've heard of Dumpy's Rusty Nuts as a punchline many times, but had never actually heard them, so I just checked them out on youtube. My report: they sound exactly as you thought they would sound.
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Friday, 10 February 2017 16:02 (seven years ago) link
I'm not that into beer but I was in Gösel in Germany last summer and really enjoyed the gose with cinnamon and salt I drank there
― lex pretend, Friday, 10 February 2017 16:07 (seven years ago) link
Weren't they the go-to joke band of either Melody Maker or NME for about a decade?
― emil.y, Friday, 10 February 2017 16:08 (seven years ago) link
MM. Regular of the Talk Talk Talk column.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 10 February 2017 16:08 (seven years ago) link
I like the sound of that.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 10 February 2017 16:09 (seven years ago) link
Sour beers rule
jjj turned me on to Paradox's Skully Barrel line which has varieties in it which will melt your face and others that are surprisingly quaffable.
― ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Friday, 10 February 2017 16:15 (seven years ago) link
i haven't had a good lambic in a while either. tart and/or sour is my fave thing. i like tart/crisp/acidic wine too.
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 16:25 (seven years ago) link
― marcos, Friday, February 10, 2017 9:57 AM (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i always buy microbrews for like $4 from the clearance aisle of the liquor store, which has its risks
but anyway i bought a gose beer "infused" with cactus or some shit and it tasted like puke
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 10 February 2017 16:33 (seven years ago) link
also i was with ez snappin and jjusten once at someone ordered a smoked beer and it tasted like an IPA that someone had put burnt piece of kingsford charcoal into
that smoked beer was so gross.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 10 February 2017 16:37 (seven years ago) link
that German one linked to above is kinda the gold standard for smoked beer and i still never want one. but i can see the appeal.
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 16:41 (seven years ago) link
How rude is it to suggest that this discussion be moved to a beer thread or the dads thread or ? I'm not trying to be rude but this is very similar to what it feels like to be talked over in a real life conversation.
I'm physically short and small compared to many people (tbh primarily men, a handful of women) I wind up chatting with when I go out and sometimes the convo gets steamrolled (or even driven rationally) into a direction I didn't sign up for. It feels rude to interrupt and yet I preferred the previous topic. This is why ilm is great for a person like me. I can pipe up whenever and wherever I please. People are free to ignore me but I'm also the same size as everyone else. It's weird.
I never used to talk about music with people except for two longtime friends who were also enthusiastic about stuff and were generally interested in the same things I was. After being here as long as I have, I'm way more comfortable piping up irl as well as here.
Felt kind of good to get this off my chest! Thanks ILM!
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 10 February 2017 16:43 (seven years ago) link
PS I like the crew here a lot and I am a friendly person with a straightforward agenda: talking about music in a non-combative fashion <3
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 10 February 2017 16:44 (seven years ago) link
Sorry, La Lechera! I'll go away. Most fun I've had on ILM in months!
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 16:45 (seven years ago) link
Not asking you to go away!
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 10 February 2017 16:46 (seven years ago) link
It was just an observation I felt like sharing that was relevant to the idea of "what makes ilm appealing" -- that's why I asked how rude it would be. I honestly don't know :)
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 10 February 2017 16:47 (seven years ago) link
tbh the only reason I joined in was because of the hot dog comment you made about smoked beer, which was great
― ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Friday, 10 February 2017 16:51 (seven years ago) link
i think it's only rude if asked/demanded rudely! your question was of course not
― mookieproof, Friday, 10 February 2017 16:54 (seven years ago) link
Smoked beer literally turns your breath into hot dog air. I don't think it should be consumed outside the home.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 10 February 2017 16:57 (seven years ago) link
no, not rude at all. and i am mostly to blame for taking things off the path. the revive was about recruiting new (young) posters. people can get back to that. sorry again. i don't really have any thoughts on recruitment.
― scott seward, Friday, 10 February 2017 16:59 (seven years ago) link
discussing beer is at least less soul-deadening than discussing trolling
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:01 (seven years ago) link
Lol otm
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:02 (seven years ago) link
If we're talking recruitment, I think bringing lurkers out of their shells might get some new blood. At least they know what they're getting themselves into, for better or worse. And they're already here. Is there any way of tracking lurker stats?
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:05 (seven years ago) link
maybe we could seduce them out of hiding w/ a special thread like: "Dear Lurkers Only - what are your 5 favorite albums? Don't worry you don't have to post anything anywhere else ever again." but of course once they do post then we know who they are and we can keep calling their names until they're forced to continue to participate.
― Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:12 (seven years ago) link
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine)
true but honestly i think the conversation was better when we were talking steely dan. at a certain point listening to people talking about beer is like listening to people talking about computers - too much jargon!
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:12 (seven years ago) link
― Mordy
never work, some regular is not going to be able to resist mocking lurkers for liking "mellon collie and the infinite sadness"
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:13 (seven years ago) link
beer discussion itt hasn't really featured any jargon, just a lot of people saying whether or not they like cilantro
― wins, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:14 (seven years ago) link
set ground rules - even if their favorite album of all time is dave's crash and their second favorite is a bootleg recording of the phish's exile on mainstream halloween show no one is allowed to mock them
― Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:16 (seven years ago) link
i think i have the hate cilantro gene but i've now eaten it enough that while i don't enjoy it it doesn't ruin food for me but i have a question for ppl who do like it -- doesn't it overwhelm the taste of everything else when you eat it? even tho i can eat it without gagging it's so notable and stark a flavor that i can't taste anything else. does it taste more complimentary and less overwhelming if you have the like cilantro gene?
― Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:17 (seven years ago) link
i've never felt overwhelmed by cilantro flavor, i feel like sometimes i must have a gene that makes cilantro kinda of unnoticeable to me.
― nomar, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:18 (seven years ago) link
"No one is allowed to mock them" - in the thread or at all (no secret sniping) ?
I am somewhat concerned that asking lurkers to pipe up is akin to asking for an annoying sock puppet to be created
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:19 (seven years ago) link
only on secret 77 companion thread
― Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:19 (seven years ago) link
I'm internet pals with Jute Gyte - in my next email I'll ask what beers he likes. Others do the same with Autechre, Beyonce, Deafheaven and The Boredoms and we should be able to triangulate something
This thread is under full chaos, quite enjoying it - a haven from eponymous signification. Free jazz internet
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:20 (seven years ago) link
flappy bird still posts
― mookieproof, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:20 (seven years ago) link
seem to recall that ilx has a high lurker-to-poster ratio & most read threads seems to bear that out but I suspect the vast majority of lurkers are just perfectly happy lurking
― wins, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:23 (seven years ago) link
https://e.snmc.io/lk/l/l/580bc86dfc8f58e1056e6a16f1b7eb4d/4628164.jpg
― excitable Question Time guest (Noodle Vague), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:27 (seven years ago) link
this has been said many times but the search function working would help a lot
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:31 (seven years ago) link
I like this idea.
― Treeship, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:32 (seven years ago) link
When I lurked I would do so to find surprising viewpoints that I wasn't seeing elsewhere. That seems to exist less and less here now. A few new voices would shake things up I think. Most of the lurkers probably have interesting/eclectic tastes
― Treeship, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:33 (seven years ago) link
hey lurkers: FUCK YOU... buncha wimps
― flopson, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:36 (seven years ago) link
'hold on now, youngster' is the best album ever made, come at me dickhole dads
― devvvine, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:36 (seven years ago) link
If the new posters who come in as a response to mordy's thread start bullying our venerable elder colleagues in that way I will personally preside over a massive purge don't worry
― Treeship, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:45 (seven years ago) link
― devvvine, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:36 (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Just when you thought it was safe to open your heart on ILM
PASSANTINO 2
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:48 (seven years ago) link
Lol I was gonna say, I think I'm in favor of Mordy's idea but I'm not willing to moderate or be the thread mommy in any capacity.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:49 (seven years ago) link
xp lol I ended up here googling Passantino circa 2012 I think
― devvvine, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:50 (seven years ago) link
the order of the vengeful scarf
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:51 (seven years ago) link
could extrapolate a lurker albums thread from general poll results and yeah well
― excitable Question Time guest (Noodle Vague), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:52 (seven years ago) link
y'all think this board is quiet, you ought a see the I HATE music forum..
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:52 (seven years ago) link
here's my impression of ilx lurkers:
*flapping my arms and hopping on one foot in a circle, head cocked sideways* oh-tee-em
― flopson, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:05 (seven years ago) link
I think they're all great.
― Treeship, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:07 (seven years ago) link
Just a cross-section of the most dynamic, interesting, thoughtful people who have one sadistic quirk, that is denying all of us the benefit of their perspectives.
― Treeship, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:08 (seven years ago) link
a Radiohead album stamping on a human face, forever
― excitable Question Time guest (Noodle Vague), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:09 (seven years ago) link
yesss thanks
― a Radiohead album stamping on a human face, forever (sleeve), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:11 (seven years ago) link
http://www.eater.com/2017/1/18/14312686/the-rise-of-the-beer-poptimist
now fuck off back to ile the lot of u
― r|t|c, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:23 (seven years ago) link
a couple who lived next door to us, they worked for Budweiser/Anheuser Busch up in Van Nuys, and they were on the science end of things. Talked about how every year because of variances in crops and water and what not, they had to tweak the formula in order to maintain the consistent flavor of Budweiser that America has come to know and love.
― nomar, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:32 (seven years ago) link
"Only seven tons of dead squirrels added this year."
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link
Bilger found that Jean-Marie Rock — at the time, the brewmaster at Orval, a Trappist brewery in Belgium that produces some of most beloved beer in the world — doesn’t just appreciate Bud’s consistency, he also legitimately enjoys consuming it. “Tell them that the brewer at Orval likes Budweiser!” he said.
tbf budweiser is one of only a very very few tolerable mass-market lagers
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:57 (seven years ago) link
http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/304/media/images/48446000/jpg/_48446989_brewdog_end_of_history_464.jpg
― Evan, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:58 (seven years ago) link
it all leads to a brewdog gimmick, eh
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Friday, 10 February 2017 19:00 (seven years ago) link
Beer is the new music. It is art after the end of art, the degeneration of aesthetic pleasure into something merely somatic. - Steely Dan
― Treeship, Friday, 10 February 2017 19:03 (seven years ago) link
maybe we could seduce them out of hiding w/ a special thread like: "Dear Lurkers Only - what are your 5 favorite albums? Don't worry you don't have to post anything anywhere else ever again." but of course once they do post then we know who they are and we can keep calling their names until they're forced to continue to participate mock them relentlessly.
― THAC0 Pastorius (Tom Violence), Friday, 10 February 2017 19:52 (seven years ago) link
xp well, it's something we still have to pay for
― sarahell, Friday, 10 February 2017 19:54 (seven years ago) link
i have a question for ppl who do like it -- doesn't it overwhelm the taste of everything else when you eat it?
I think the trick with cilantro is just to use it as a garnish. Don't ever dump a bunch of it in your food while it's cooking, or it will overwhelm everything. But a bit of chopped raw cilantro complements a lot of foods nicely: Vietnamese, Thai, Indian, Mexican being a few.
― o. nate, Saturday, 11 February 2017 01:39 (seven years ago) link
nah, cilantro is great when dumped in sauces
― Sufjan Grafton, Saturday, 11 February 2017 01:49 (seven years ago) link
There are some good sauces made with a healthy amount of raw cilantro, true - like various salsas or Indian chutneys. I was talking about dumping a lot of it right into your main dish as it's cooking. That I wouldn't advise.
― o. nate, Saturday, 11 February 2017 01:57 (seven years ago) link
there are good cooked sauces too like methi murgh and poblano sauces
― Sufjan Grafton, Saturday, 11 February 2017 02:13 (seven years ago) link
suppose the amount in those could be considered garnish, though
― Sufjan Grafton, Saturday, 11 February 2017 02:16 (seven years ago) link
http://www.rickbayless.com/recipe/tacos-of-creamy-roasted-poblano-corn-and-zucchini/
― Sufjan Grafton, Saturday, 11 February 2017 02:19 (seven years ago) link
love cilantro, i agree that there are def circumstances where someone can load up too much cilantro though
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 11 February 2017 05:46 (seven years ago) link
iirc i heard cilantro started being used with meat because it could cover up the rotting meat smell pre refridgeration? not sure if apocryphal
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 11 February 2017 05:47 (seven years ago) link
lol @ this thread
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 11 February 2017 05:50 (seven years ago) link
long-time lurker, recent opinion: i've been harvesting recommendations for years from ilm. i know whose taste i love (tyler, the guy with the doom from the tomb blog; bradnelson emo, etc.) i'm not a music critic. or rather i haven't spent two decades thinking about music through the lens of a critical vocabulary. so it feels weird to post an opinion. it feels juvenile.
― lion in winter, Saturday, 11 February 2017 05:56 (seven years ago) link
― how's life, Thursday, February 9, 2017 7:42 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
https://admin.mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/fist-pump.gif
― flopson, Saturday, 11 February 2017 05:57 (seven years ago) link
basically this place has it's own language. jumping in you have to be both guileless and weirdly confident (like LJ). i think it's probably hard for folks.
― lion in winter, Saturday, 11 February 2017 06:03 (seven years ago) link
bradnelson emo
ugh how did you figure out my true surname
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 February 2017 06:11 (seven years ago) link
Does everyone here have their version of a bat signal? Thanks for Hotelier.
― lion in winter, Saturday, 11 February 2017 06:17 (seven years ago) link
And the cover of photobooth
― lion in winter, Saturday, 11 February 2017 06:18 (seven years ago) link
One last thing: people have asked me for ten years where I 'found' the music I listen to. I've invariably directed them here with the caveat that 'it's hard to get into.' No one has ever spoken of ilxor again to me.
― lion in winter, Saturday, 11 February 2017 06:20 (seven years ago) link
reprobates
― j., Saturday, 11 February 2017 06:26 (seven years ago) link
one of my first memories of ilxor lingo was the term fap, meaning fancy a pint. now that was confusing. I also get the sense i'm one of the only "new" people on this board, think i first joined around june or something after seeing it talked about on The Singles Jukebox, which has a lot of ilx posters
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Saturday, 11 February 2017 06:35 (seven years ago) link
also getting told that a comment i made was otm for the first time was a great feeling
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Saturday, 11 February 2017 06:37 (seven years ago) link
welcome!
― a Radiohead album stamping on a human face, forever (sleeve), Saturday, 11 February 2017 07:26 (seven years ago) link
why thank you!
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Saturday, 11 February 2017 08:01 (seven years ago) link
the annual convo about whether ilx is too scary is perfectly fine & all that but when it invariably gets to the bit where people worry about in-jokes alienating new posters that's when I'm really like jesus fuck guys choose life for fucks sake
― wins, Saturday, 11 February 2017 08:40 (seven years ago) link
or "site-specific jargon" or whatever, same thing
― wins, Saturday, 11 February 2017 08:45 (seven years ago) link
come on, it's a simple matter of someone making a guide, perhaps that seems po-faced and humourless but it's surely needed
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Saturday, 11 February 2017 09:25 (seven years ago) link
done one
http://yourcontactinflorence.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Sandro-Botticelli-map-of-hell.jpg
― excitable Question Time guest (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 11 February 2017 09:38 (seven years ago) link
going back to the topic of playlists, check out this youtube playlist someone made:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQFXCpBXX_f6QTdXukhdxVaXGSIDjtLcr
― sarahell, Saturday, 11 February 2017 09:46 (seven years ago) link
Another mostly lurker here, like lion in winter I've been leeching ilm for info for a while. Found it by googling in 2012 and browsed it every now and then, registered and started checking it out daily in 2014.
i haven't spent two decades thinking about music through the lens of a critical vocabulary. so it feels weird to post an opinion. it feels juvenile.
I fell I'm an extreme example of that mindset, I lack any critical skills not just for music but for anything else really, and rarely have anything more interesting to say than "I like/don't like this".
― chihuahuau, Saturday, 11 February 2017 09:53 (seven years ago) link
THAT'S the kind of new poster this board needs. i salute the meticulouslessness of her research.
― excitable Question Time guest (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 11 February 2017 09:54 (seven years ago) link
hang on, why does Duck South Africa just use the generic anglo-voice?
― excitable Question Time guest (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 11 February 2017 09:56 (seven years ago) link
and why have the same Duck Australia ad 18 times in a row?
― sarahell, Saturday, 11 February 2017 10:01 (seven years ago) link
Belinda Harris, PhD, is Associate Professor at the University of Nottingham where she teaches masters programs in education, trauma and therapeutic counseling. She is a Gestalt psychotherapist in private practice working with individuals, couples and groups, a leadership coach and assistant editor of the British Gestalt Journal.
― r|t|c, Saturday, 11 February 2017 10:12 (seven years ago) link
i think she was probably aiming to extend it thru repetition when what we really need is a time-stretched 2 hour Duuuuuuck hang on brb
― excitable Question Time guest (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 11 February 2017 10:19 (seven years ago) link
Belinda Harris is responsible for maintaining the library’s archives – digital and paper. The Roanoke Times’ digital archive began Jan. 1, 1990. She also uses paid databases to do background research and to find people (addresses, phone numbers, relatives, court records, etc). She really enjoys research. She does two columns a week – Looking Back on Monday and Flashback in the New River Valley section on Sunday. She has a cat and loves to horseback ride on weekends.
Belinda Harris (b. April 29, 1951) is a former Democratic member of the Missouri House of Representatives. She represented District 110 from 2003 to 2011.Harris has worked as a technical illustrator for McDonnell/Douglas, farmer, and served on the Missouri Solid Waste Advisory Board from 1997-2001. She is married and has 2 children.
Belinda Harris is a Queensland trained Occupational Therapist who is passionate about helping clients explore ways to live well and enjoy their lives. She has a special interest in enhancing the quality of life for older Australians to enable them to live happily, productively and independently in their senior years.
― sarahell, Saturday, 11 February 2017 10:25 (seven years ago) link
I'm gonna go with door #3 here
― steely dad (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 11 February 2017 10:26 (seven years ago) link
there's also another Australian Belinda Harris who is a real estate agent, but I can't see why you would use a loop of Toilet Duck commercials to sell houses?
― sarahell, Saturday, 11 February 2017 10:26 (seven years ago) link
That BubblePOP Kids video is a helluva sendoff
― steely dad (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 11 February 2017 10:32 (seven years ago) link
her other playlists are clips from my little pony, other kid's programs, and two videos of the same song by James Bay -- I think Belinda Harris is a pre-teen girl, and then what does that say about us in our fondness for Toilet Duck Total Toilet Protection in its international glory
― sarahell, Saturday, 11 February 2017 10:39 (seven years ago) link
a foundational principle of I love music is not to discount something just because it is enjoyed by preteen girls
― wins, Saturday, 11 February 2017 10:44 (seven years ago) link
It'd be something if brodie knew Belinda Harris
― steely dad (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 11 February 2017 10:45 (seven years ago) link
of course in 2017 the confluence of novelty pop music, preteen girls and Australians named Harris carries far more unsavoury connotations
― wins, Saturday, 11 February 2017 10:49 (seven years ago) link
Belinda Harris @BelindaofMYB 13hShould you promote from within the company or hire externally? Our blog discusses the pros & cons to help you decide http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQFXCpBXX_f6QTdXukhdxVaXGSIDjtLcr
Belinda Harris @BelindaofMYB Feb 1012 Ways to Identify the Future Leaders of Your Company Right Now http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQFXCpBXX_f6QTdXukhdxVaXGSIDjtLcr
Belinda Harris @BelindaofMYB Feb 9Struggling with #EmployeeEngagement? These 4 tips will help you reengage your #workforce for a successful #2017. http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQFXCpBXX_f6QTdXukhdxVaXGSIDjtLcr
Belinda Harris @BelindaofMYB Feb 58 Mistakes That Make Good Employees Leave http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQFXCpBXX_f6QTdXukhdxVaXGSIDjtLcr
Belinda Harris @BelindaofMYB Jan 31Download the white paper & learn how #HR can build a strong culture to drive #growth & #retainemployees. #HRtips http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQFXCpBXX_f6QTdXukhdxVaXGSIDjtLcr
― r|t|c, Saturday, 11 February 2017 11:00 (seven years ago) link
8 Mistakes That Make Good Employees Leave:
1. Lack of Total Toilet Protection in the workplace.
― excitable Question Time guest (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 11 February 2017 11:24 (seven years ago) link
Duckstretch is still rendering btw, bear with
― excitable Question Time guest (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 11 February 2017 11:40 (seven years ago) link
^ see this is perfectly comprehensible if you just follow along
― j., Saturday, 11 February 2017 13:51 (seven years ago) link
― chihuahuau
honestly in some ways i genuinely regret developing a critical vocabulary. i grew up with the typical rockist antipathy for critical discourse (listened to a lot of frank zappa, which didn't help). but i wound up here anyway because to hell with the devil, the critics are the ones who really have all the best tunes. and after years of this now i can write about music like a second-rate hack. it wasn't a skill i was trying to develop.
but in other ways i don't regret it, because when i look at the future and what it holds it increasingly seems like it's either genocide or creative work. i hope to god people can be convinced the latter is a better alternative. it's a hard sell.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Saturday, 11 February 2017 13:51 (seven years ago) link
YOU'RE WELCOME
https://soundcloud.com/noodle-vague/duck-you-sucka
― excitable Question Time guest (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 11 February 2017 14:30 (seven years ago) link
wasn't sure about that at first but holy shit at 24 minutes in
― nashwan, Saturday, 11 February 2017 14:49 (seven years ago) link
looks like I will vote in the 2017 traxpoll
― wins, Saturday, 11 February 2017 14:51 (seven years ago) link
more yessing out in years previous to balance out uptight critics might have helped but alas that ship sailed long ago
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 11 February 2017 15:14 (seven years ago) link
one of my first memories of ilxor lingo was the term fap, meaning fancy a pint
OH MY GOD I'd been wondering about this forever, I never asked though because I knew you fuckers wouldn't give me a sensible answer
― ultros ultros-ghali, Saturday, 11 February 2017 15:16 (seven years ago) link
And now the scales drop from your eyes.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 11 February 2017 15:18 (seven years ago) link
They also have orgies
― Treeship, Saturday, 11 February 2017 16:02 (seven years ago) link
aka "boxcar"
― a Radiohead album stamping on a human face, forever (sleeve), Saturday, 11 February 2017 16:21 (seven years ago) link
― ultros ultros-ghali, Saturday, 11 February 2017 15:16
Me too.
When people are talking about the regular in depth critical analysis of this board it doesn't really sound like the ILX I know but I don't really go on the Rolling music threads. I think those posters are in the minority and that's fine. I know I can't go as far as them.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 11 February 2017 16:48 (seven years ago) link
Introduce Yourself (Even If You Are A Dirty Lurker)
― scott seward, Saturday, 11 February 2017 17:08 (seven years ago) link
An FAQ could also include the previous usernames of well known members.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 11 February 2017 17:15 (seven years ago) link
I am Legion.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 11 February 2017 17:26 (seven years ago) link
everybody tuning into Wandelweiser
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Saturday, 11 February 2017 18:37 (seven years ago) link
― excitable Question Time guest (Noodle Vague), Saturday, February 11, 2017 6:30 AM (six hours ago)
15 minutes in -- totally chill, really emphasizing the "bye worries" theme
― sarahell, Saturday, 11 February 2017 20:38 (seven years ago) link
I recant. What I meant was: I haven't spent two decades filtering my own critical vocabulary through a warren of obscurant friends. There seems to actually be really simple steps for inclusion here: loudly, ignorantly proclaim your presence; mocked; try again; mocked; injoke +/- vocabulary subsumption.
It's pretty OK as a hazing process, but I feel like the subtext is really giving a fuck about Jute Gyte.
― lion in winter, Monday, 13 February 2017 06:17 (seven years ago) link
I think the subtext could stand to give more of one tbf
mockery can be quite character-forming, especially for bullish prigs, I would recommend it in doses varying by levels of childhood privilege
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, 13 February 2017 11:13 (seven years ago) link
when I joined ilx the regulars stole my clothes and dumped me in the part of town where they listen to Big & Rich
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 13 February 2017 19:17 (seven years ago) link
I'm sure some of you nerds on here can knock this one out of the park:
http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/music/quizzes/a53194/music-iq-quiz/
― o. nate, Saturday, 25 February 2017 02:44 (seven years ago) link
I got a 242, helped by some lucky guessing.
248. When stuck, picking the group you've heard of usually seems to work.
― Choco Blavatsky (seandalai), Saturday, 25 February 2017 03:02 (seven years ago) link
249. Yeah, quite a lot of these were three records I didn't know + Blondie.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 25 February 2017 03:05 (seven years ago) link
237
no bennies
― mookieproof, Saturday, 25 February 2017 03:05 (seven years ago) link
230. A lot of this stuff is not remotely what I care about.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 25 February 2017 03:28 (seven years ago) link
235--numerous, numerous guesses. As tribute to one of my new favourite movies, I made sure to get "Heroes" wrong.
― clemenza, Saturday, 25 February 2017 03:31 (seven years ago) link
239
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 February 2017 03:34 (seven years ago) link
247 with a LOT of guessing, helped by things like "There's rapping and the only rap group there is The Roots, so..."
― albvivertine, Saturday, 25 February 2017 03:34 (seven years ago) link
I went through three guesses before picking Arcade Fire on one question. Apparently what I've heard by them didn't make an impression beyond inspiring me to not listen to any more.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 25 February 2017 03:36 (seven years ago) link
240sigh can't believe i whiffed on lol vampire weekendwould have been a way better quiz if they removed the artist names from the coversalso if they didn't use ugly greatest hits artalso if they had a time bonusThere was a fair amount of stuff that I had never heard but I could guess based on the cover / offhanded remarks on ILM. like level 10 was just WGW punchlines
― “Yeah. Huh, thanks.” (los blue jeans), Saturday, 25 February 2017 03:37 (seven years ago) link
putting a jack white solo album in a list of 50 songs you expect me to recognize makes me IA
― “Yeah. Huh, thanks.” (los blue jeans), Saturday, 25 February 2017 03:39 (seven years ago) link
The scoring on this is weird.
― jmm, Saturday, 25 February 2017 03:48 (seven years ago) link
I got 246, mainly missing on the rap questions.
― jmm, Saturday, 25 February 2017 03:49 (seven years ago) link
247
― flopson, Saturday, 25 February 2017 03:51 (seven years ago) link
245, but one mistake was an accidental click.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 25 February 2017 03:53 (seven years ago) link
244.. i don't know much about indie rock rn
― evil pats 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆 (daria-g), Saturday, 25 February 2017 04:31 (seven years ago) link
249
― Treeship, Saturday, 25 February 2017 04:40 (seven years ago) link
247.
― removed from the rain drops and drop tops of experience (ulysses), Saturday, 25 February 2017 04:57 (seven years ago) link
of all the indie stuff from the past 20 years, I had an amazing success rate guessing based on the aesthetics of the album cover.
― sarahell, Saturday, 25 February 2017 05:03 (seven years ago) link
247--could've been better but it took me 4 tries for a couple
― ridiculous perm ban decision (voodoo chili), Saturday, 25 February 2017 05:46 (seven years ago) link
sarahell otm
― albvivertine, Saturday, 25 February 2017 08:16 (seven years ago) link
236, was doing well until the last round, no idea what 90% of that stuff was.
― Gavin, Leeds, Saturday, 25 February 2017 09:50 (seven years ago) link
Front 242
― Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 25 February 2017 11:26 (seven years ago) link
250, only mistake was an impulse decision that Fela Kuti was the Fugees.
― devvvine, Saturday, 25 February 2017 11:34 (seven years ago) link
249. There were a few lucky guesses in there for sure.
― kitchen person, Saturday, 25 February 2017 22:24 (seven years ago) link
248, struggled with some of the indie shit
― Treesh-Hurt (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 25 February 2017 22:48 (seven years ago) link
234, struggled with most of the rap shit
― heaven parker (anagram), Saturday, 25 February 2017 22:52 (seven years ago) link
243. The more recent rap/R&B stuff gave me a hard time.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 25 February 2017 23:22 (seven years ago) link
246. I got the rap stuff (which shocked me) and missed a few of the indie things. A lot of them were ridiculously easy to guess, though, like there would be only one female option out of four.
― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Saturday, 25 February 2017 23:33 (seven years ago) link
the average score was 158
which means they totally made that up
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 25 February 2017 23:57 (seven years ago) link
the average score on this online IQ test is 115, bet you can't beat it! (everyone gets 140+)
Maybe. I think our scores are just high because we are ILM posters.
― Treeship, Saturday, 25 February 2017 23:58 (seven years ago) link
187
what horrible music!
i had no idea what lots of it was but a lot had covers which looked like they were right for the song. i thought i did ok, now i see the other scores here. i didnt do ok
― saer, Sunday, 26 February 2017 00:00 (seven years ago) link
oh, it skiiped level 4 for some reason
i got 234
― saer, Sunday, 26 February 2017 00:01 (seven years ago) link
247. Wish I had listened to some longer after realizing I wouldn't get penalized for time. Probably would have gotten a few more.
― Chantilly Bass, Sunday, 26 February 2017 02:14 (seven years ago) link
248, flubbed on Mitski, Twin Peaks, and Kendrick Lamar.
― MarkoP, Sunday, 26 February 2017 02:33 (seven years ago) link
241, that was a pleasant distraction, lotta guessing on the stuff from the last ten years or so. Now, shall we do this again for every audio quiz on Sporcle?
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 26 February 2017 02:43 (seven years ago) link
244
― how's life, Sunday, 26 February 2017 12:13 (seven years ago) link
I got 249, only the recent indie round at the end tripped me up.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 26 February 2017 14:21 (seven years ago) link
250
― pointless rock guitar (Michael B), Sunday, 26 February 2017 14:41 (seven years ago) link
so what ilm needed to get talking were online quizzes
― removed from the rain drops and drop tops of experience (ulysses), Sunday, 26 February 2017 19:00 (seven years ago) link
"talking"
― a but (brimstead), Sunday, 26 February 2017 20:04 (seven years ago) link
yeah, sorry again for taking this thread off-topic a couple of weeks ago and steering the conversation away from....hey, wait a minute!
― scott seward, Sunday, 26 February 2017 21:22 (seven years ago) link
― campreverb, Sunday, 26 February 2017 23:37 (seven years ago) link
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonball/images/4/4b/VegetaItsOver9000-02.png/revision/latest?cb=20100724145819
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Monday, 27 February 2017 01:55 (seven years ago) link
250. Got em all right on the first guess except for one which i changed to the correct one right away.
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Monday, 27 February 2017 02:35 (seven years ago) link
i got 420!
― the late great, Monday, 27 February 2017 03:33 (seven years ago) link
God damn you bastards getting 250+
― Treeship, Monday, 27 February 2017 03:35 (seven years ago) link
freakin hip kid millennials cheating the system
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Monday, 27 February 2017 04:31 (seven years ago) link
250 and I only own one album featured (TPAB). Have never knowingly heard Artic Monkeys, Rilo Kiley, Mitski and a few others. Why do I know this stuff?
― Yelploaf, Monday, 27 February 2017 04:46 (seven years ago) link
God damn you
― Treeship, Monday, 27 February 2017 04:57 (seven years ago) link
https://youtu.be/B0sy7y54XAE
Here is a Rilo Kiley track to knowingly listen to you
― Treeship, Monday, 27 February 2017 04:59 (seven years ago) link
yo tresh go on messenger
― Mordy, Monday, 27 February 2017 05:08 (seven years ago) link
I've now knowingly heard Rilo Kiley. They're great! I can pick them blind from a similar lineup based on ambient exposure to indie music. Not my thing at all though. Speedy Ortiz was another I correctly ID'd having never heard. I do, though, read interviews with almost anyone and they're very interviewed.
― Yelploaf, Monday, 27 February 2017 05:56 (seven years ago) link
seems we did get a handful of new posters after all, wonder where they came from
ex lurkers maybe
― niels, Sunday, 9 April 2017 09:42 (seven years ago) link
rymers who defected to ilx because their off-topic and politics boards got shut down and their music board stagnated as their community sought for the thousandth time to determine which album had the best opening track. they think ilm is really highbrow because here you can have *deep thoughts* about the critical reception of late career Zeppelin albums rather than just quibbling over why "California" has such a low track rating. in the next year or so, rym will shut down all of its message boards and there'll be a link to ilm on the rym/sonemic frontpage like there used to be on freakytrigger.
― I Ville Valo HIM (unregistered), Sunday, 9 April 2017 10:35 (seven years ago) link
clearly no longer frightened off by all the playlists
― Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Sunday, 9 April 2017 21:27 (seven years ago) link
I've always thought the forum on RYM was one of the least appealing aspects of the site.
― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Sunday, 9 April 2017 21:36 (seven years ago) link
Had no idea there even was one
― Odysseus, Sunday, 9 April 2017 21:39 (seven years ago) link
Seriously!?
― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Sunday, 9 April 2017 21:40 (seven years ago) link
lol oh dear, maybe that's where the person who i poked fun at for sounding like an 'acclaimed music' community member came from
let's hope their forums don't shut down too
― dyl, Sunday, 9 April 2017 21:40 (seven years ago) link
I only look at the rym charts
― Odysseus, Sunday, 9 April 2017 22:19 (seven years ago) link
mass exodus of rym shut-ins to ilm and ensuing internecine war is PRECISELY what this sleepy plain text message boards needs!!!
― flopson, Monday, 10 April 2017 00:55 (seven years ago) link
Does sound pretty good.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 10 April 2017 01:03 (seven years ago) link
historians will judge us for our lack of foresight in introducing polls
― j., Monday, 10 April 2017 01:04 (seven years ago) link
its all good let em in
― ciderpress, Monday, 10 April 2017 01:21 (seven years ago) link
Brexit from ILM (to Livejournal) already happened in 2005.
― Odysseus, Monday, 10 April 2017 07:11 (seven years ago) link
i had no idea there was anybody left on the rym boards to flee.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 00:10 (seven years ago) link
who are these new posters? what are their names, their habits, their fears?
― Treeship, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 01:00 (seven years ago) link
are they the ones who think the entire music-critical establishment is being forced at gunpoint to enjoy beyoncé
― dyl, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 01:11 (seven years ago) link
tbh i am not comfortable with the number of times ilxors have pulled a gun on me
― Treeship, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 01:20 (seven years ago) link
i'm probably a "new poster," even though i lurk mostly still—almost def came thru because some people i know from online write for singles jukebox and/or have nostagia for stylus and the trail led back here.
― austinb, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 01:34 (seven years ago) link
also an editor of mine kept sending me weird old frank kogan threads
flopson otm of course, maybe we'll get some new posters who want to talk about musical content, or a guy who writes songs about trains.
― sleeve, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 01:36 (seven years ago) link
dude ilm rules lately its all yessed and zepped out lol
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 01:58 (seven years ago) link
I just started posting recently, too, after lurking for a while. I think I heard about this site from MetaFilter, although I don't remember for sure. I'm mainly looking for something to distract me from grad school.
― obvious, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 19:47 (seven years ago) link
be forewarned, there are ilx threads i now remember more clearly than entire classes i took while getting my masters
― long dark poptart of the rodeo (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 19:55 (seven years ago) link
ilx is more educational than most grad school classes, and your supervisor can't grope you and threaten to withhold your recommendation letters here
― j., Tuesday, 11 April 2017 19:59 (seven years ago) link
"dude ilm rules lately its all yessed and zepped out lol"
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 20:45 (seven years ago) link
been enjoying getting the zep out here lately
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 20:59 (seven years ago) link
"getting the led out" as they say on my local classic rock station after a back-to-back double shot of lz
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 21:28 (seven years ago) link
digging having some new posters lately, it's cool
― marcos, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 21:29 (seven years ago) link
where?
― Lebro v. Wade (Spottie), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 21:30 (seven years ago) link
idk just around, maybe they've been here a while and i hadn't noticed? just seems like some new names around
― marcos, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 21:40 (seven years ago) link
maybe so. maybe just no one new on the rap/r&b threads i mostly live in.
― Lebro v. Wade (Spottie), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 21:46 (seven years ago) link
some new names itt no?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 22:01 (seven years ago) link
si!
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 22:23 (seven years ago) link
im a new poster. i once vaguely tried rym, but hated how everyone seemed to have the same opinion
― cloudbase_, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 05:28 (seven years ago) link
As someone who first read about ilx on 4chan's music board in late 2013, I am now certain I've assimilated here over the course of past years, to the point where I have generic ilx music taste and generic ilx opinions.
Lurking because my poor English and starstruck. Too young for this place, too (24).
― hhoffman, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 11:35 (seven years ago) link
We were mostly twentysomethings, once
― The Jams Manager (1992, Brickster) (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 11:46 (seven years ago) link
As someone who first read about ilx on 4chan's music board
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/186710/kith-spit-take-o.gif
― 'it's is my life' - jon bovi (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 12:07 (seven years ago) link
ilx: we reprogram 4channers
― 'it's is my life' - jon bovi (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 12:08 (seven years ago) link
ITTs or gtfo
― an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 12:13 (seven years ago) link
You can also mine the threads for quotes to use in academic papers:
https://books.google.com/books?id=ed9GAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA300&lpg=PA300&dq=president+keyes+i+love+music&source=bl&ots=5DnuAhuli2&sig=DB7JVVtRb3WdkLMY8wl3gf-qCiQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_9cHP_uHKAhWD5BoKHT-5CtgQ6AEIQTAJ#v=onepage&q=president%20keyes%20i%20love%20music&f=false
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 13:27 (seven years ago) link
I used to periodically post here over a decade ago, before I got into classical music, which is an itch ILM doesn't properly scratch. Now that I've reverted to a more omnivorous diet, this place has its charms. The metal threads in particular are incredibly helpful.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 13:48 (seven years ago) link
lmao congrats President Keyes
― flopson, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 13:54 (seven years ago) link
> Too young for this place, too (24).
nicely done senpai
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 14:21 (seven years ago) link
rather archly
― j., Wednesday, 12 April 2017 14:37 (seven years ago) link
that's a good quote
― briscall stool chart (wins), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 14:43 (seven years ago) link
― pomenitul
i definitely am trying to work my way through "the canon" but it's difficult to talk about without sounding like a wanker. but i'm not "classical or nothing" like some folks get...
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Thursday, 13 April 2017 10:53 (seven years ago) link
― irl lol (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 July 2015 00:25 (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― virginity simple (darraghmac), Thursday, 13 April 2017 11:31 (seven years ago) link
ILM is an important safe space from people who don't like it.
― nashwan, Thursday, 13 April 2017 12:15 (seven years ago) link
I've been visiting since 2001 and quite frankly don't notice a difference but maybe I've been more sporadic in attention compared to some other veterans.
Don't get concerned with volume, just contribute to quality. It's especially important now in the modern era where there are attacks on institutions and sensibilities that provide the fuel for this art that we all love.
― yesca, Thursday, 13 April 2017 13:29 (seven years ago) link
I get more of a kick out of talking about music on the ILXOR Now Playing Facebook page these days
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Thursday, 13 April 2017 17:47 (seven years ago) link
Like darraghmac, you mean?
― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 April 2017 17:49 (seven years ago) link
Though he insists on showing up periodically to tell ILM how terrible it Is, like a drunk at the side of the road shaking his fist at passing cars.
― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 April 2017 17:52 (seven years ago) link
"It's especially important now in the modern era where there are attacks on institutions and sensibilities that provide the fuel for this art that we all love."
see various led zeppelin threads for the very worrying diminishment of music's greatest institution and the finely-tuned sensibilities of its four members who helped shaped the course of rock N roll, and indeed culture, for generations to come.
― budo jeru, Thursday, 13 April 2017 18:54 (seven years ago) link
when ilm went pop it started resenting rockists' need to rationalize music tastes and as the new reigning queens make sure rock discourse is kept to a minimum
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Thursday, 13 April 2017 19:25 (seven years ago) link
the 21 new answers on the Pink Floyd thread today are just gifs of wagging fingers
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 13 April 2017 19:42 (seven years ago) link
https://youtu.be/kVjDllE2OcE
etc
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 13 April 2017 19:48 (seven years ago) link
dont call it a comeback iirc
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Thursday, 13 April 2017 20:15 (seven years ago) link
remember when rap and rock went hand in hand and were fighting the hegemony of pop
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Thursday, 13 April 2017 20:17 (seven years ago) link
http://cdn.ambrosiaforheads.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/rundmc-aerosmith.png
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Thursday, 13 April 2017 20:18 (seven years ago) link
the judgment night era
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 13 April 2017 20:19 (seven years ago) link
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes)
bad puns, if you're wondering. the ultimate outcome of all music discussion when critical discourse becomes meaningless. i'm a little disappointed that y'all are bringing the floyd puns harder than my old school floyd homies, though.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Thursday, 13 April 2017 22:39 (seven years ago) link
ILM could use more folks who write about Train.
― Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 13 April 2017 22:41 (seven years ago) link
well, it's better than long discussions about hm, well, let's see, at what point did roger waters take over and pink floyd cease to become a "real band" i mean, yawn x1000
― budo jeru, Thursday, 13 April 2017 22:52 (seven years ago) link
i think critical discourse becomes meaningless as soon as syd barrett left the band because that's the real pink floyd, dude
― budo jeru, Thursday, 13 April 2017 22:53 (seven years ago) link
pink floyd rules
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 April 2017 23:02 (seven years ago) link
are these the faces of nu ilm
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Thursday, 13 April 2017 23:08 (seven years ago) link
yeah i agree, if you're talking about pink floyd at all in 2017 it better be bad puns and discussions of shag-carpeted vans.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Thursday, 13 April 2017 23:13 (seven years ago) link
Caring about Pink Floyd quite the provocative stance so maybe ILM is doing just fine
― Choco Blavatsky (seandalai), Friday, 14 April 2017 01:05 (seven years ago) link
jethro tull rules
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 14 April 2017 01:32 (seven years ago) link
"yeah i mean i liked RYM, but i just couldn't help but wonder if there was some hallowed land that'd let me talk about pink floyd AND def leppard"
― austinb, Friday, 14 April 2017 01:42 (seven years ago) link
I Love Jeffro Lloyd
― long dark poptart of the rodeo (Doctor Casino), Friday, 14 April 2017 02:13 (seven years ago) link
i love bernard sumner
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 14 April 2017 02:31 (seven years ago) link
Fat Barnie
― yesca, Friday, 14 April 2017 08:41 (seven years ago) link
the best antidote for old ilx nostalgia is actual old ilx
Margaret Atwood should fucking die
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 15:12 (seven years ago) link
I like how nü-ILX immediately locked it.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 15:25 (seven years ago) link
bravo to the locker of that thread, tho i date "nü-ILX" much earlier - circa the sandbox exile and addition of radio button polls maybe?
― long dark poptart of the rodeo (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 15:57 (seven years ago) link
Nothing ever got locked or removed by request nor did anyone ever get banned on old ilx.
its funny to think that in 2001 we were referring to nu-ilx already though.
― Odysseus, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 15:59 (seven years ago) link
but maybe i should revise my timeline around precisely this shift. 2003 thread starts, title/premise is disparaged but conversation goes on. 2009 revive cast significant side-eye on title/premise, conversation goes on. 2010 semi-revive is a false start, 2012 revive goes nowhere, 2017 revive leads immediately to thread lock. so maybe somewhere in there was a real shift in board values/priorities, which i applaud, and perhaps this marks the arrival of 2nü-ILX.
― long dark poptart of the rodeo (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:00 (seven years ago) link
I personally think of moving from Greenspun as the beginning of nu-ilx but others think of stet taking over and polls.
― Odysseus, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:00 (seven years ago) link
If you dont blame hstencil you are nu-ilx
― Odysseus, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:02 (seven years ago) link
all of you are like a little baby
― mark s, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:04 (seven years ago) link
we've come a long way (for a little) baby
― nashwan, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:07 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, 2017 ILX needs to contritely distance itself from its 4chan-esque past because that thread title is perfectly representative of the types of discussions people were having back in the day. Decline successfully averted!
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:10 (seven years ago) link
By the way, which one's Pink?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:11 (seven years ago) link
― pomenitul, Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:10 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it's an extreme example but like honestly go to any really long thread and get super basic opinions about tom petty and shit if you go all the way to the beginning
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:14 (seven years ago) link
best nostalgia for old ilx can be your own old ilx posts tbh
― nomar, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:23 (seven years ago) link
otoh a tiny bit after the beginning you do get mark s opinions
― mark s, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:27 (seven years ago) link
/Yeah, 2017 ILX needs to contritely distance itself from its 4chan-esque past because that thread title is perfectly representative of the types of discussions people were having back in the day. Decline successfully averted!― pomenitul, Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:10 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink/it's an extreme example but like honestly go to any really long thread and get super basic opinions about tom petty and shit if you go all the way to the beginning
― pomenitul, Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:10 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink/
or read posts on the Kendrick Lamar thread, from yesterday
― flopson, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:40 (seven years ago) link
i stand by my steve vai posts
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 17:07 (seven years ago) link
xxp but just after that you get infuriating anonymous posts via a long time anonymous poster that annoys mark s :D
― Odysseus, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 17:58 (seven years ago) link
stop trying to make fetch happen
― mark s, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 18:02 (seven years ago) link
I was thinking of that annoying dude who you had to clean up categories when archiving
― Odysseus, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 19:30 (seven years ago) link
Tusk Vs The White Album [Started by Paper Money = Death of Christ (Roger Fidelity) in August 2005, last updated twenty-nine minutes ago by Shat Parp (dog latin) on I Love Music] 306 new answers
not as much quiet as talking in circles, can't figure out if self parody or realizing true potential
― niels, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 11:23 (six years ago) link