Oi Keenan, leave the making of silly genre names in order to create hype to the NME. New Weird America was bad enough, but Hypnagogic Pop? Really? Fuck off!You can shove that one up your arse along with your overpriced CDRs that you sell.
Now I'm going to go listen to Pocahaunted while cursing you some more.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 18:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
Marcello to thread to slag off 18 Wheeler.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 18:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
I was wondering why this term had suddenly appeared on Twitter.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 20 July 2009 18:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
Can you explain this term to me?
― the kid is crying because did sharks died? (Hurting 2), Monday, 20 July 2009 18:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
Does that bother you more than the fact that the tag for the Madlib article is 'Patrolling yesterday's universe with the Beat Konducta'? Seriously?
I like how the hierarchy of the text implies Peter Christopherson is his own genre
― thomp, Monday, 20 July 2009 18:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
sorry, Sleazy Peter Christopherson
― thomp, Monday, 20 July 2009 18:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
hurting 2 i haven't more than skimmed the start of the article but it seems to be an extension of that 'hauntology' idea no one really did anything with to the "post-noise underground" (sorry, "post-Noise underground", fucking hate the wire's typography)
― thomp, Monday, 20 July 2009 18:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
i would like a scan of that madlib article, please
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 20 July 2009 18:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
vahid I would but i dont have a scanner, sorry.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
there is a bit of it here http://www.exacteditions.com/exact/browse/435/493/5474/1/1
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
The last time i got this annoyed by the wire was when they used Vladislav Delay instead of Luomo which I figured is because Luomo is a more famous handle. Also, genre that starts by trying to shoehorn Emeralds into the same tag as Pocahaunted is starting out pretty shakily. Like this stuff has a pretty small yet inconsistent remit, it's not specific nor is it a wide umbrella term.
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
the photo of madlibs records made me hella jealous btw
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh ffs http://www.last.fm/tag/hypnagogic%20pop
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
At least hypnagogic pop as a genre name is not as bad Pocahaunted is as a name for a band.
― De Mysteriis Dom Passantino (jim), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
who the fuck are these bands anyway?
― north sea jazz dit weekend (call all destroyer), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
well see that's why he's written an article to bring them to your attention, i dunno that you can really fault that bit
― thomp, Monday, 20 July 2009 19:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah but i'd like someone to explain it to me in english so i don't have to scan 5 unreadable wire intro paragraphs next time i'm at the record store.
― north sea jazz dit weekend (call all destroyer), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
you will have to make do with
Hypnagogic popHow James Ferraro, Spencer Clark, Pocahaunted, Emeralds, et al are floating beyond Noise to a dreampop hallucination of the 1980s. By David Keenan
How James Ferraro, Spencer Clark, Pocahaunted, Emeralds, et al are floating beyond Noise to a dreampop hallucination of the 1980s. By David Keenan
Since I cant scan the article.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
I like Pocahaunted and Emeralds but this making up of a genre name is just stupid. Of course it will help Keenan sell this stuff in his shop/online mailorder.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
i bought this because i knew i had some hours waiting around in train stations to deal with and had been through the paper and it was just - dear the wire, i really, really think you could be a very good magazine if you fixed your two or three really horrible pre-conceptions that you filter the entire world of recorded music through, and i am spending four pounds on you in the faith that someday you will, but there is not a single thing on that cover that doesn't make it hard to like you
the article makes it sound like 'hypnagogic pop' has a mean of ariel pink and a standard deviation of about two thirds of an ariel pink. the only ones i've actually heard are emeralds, who are droney synths + guitar, and pretty good.
― thomp, Monday, 20 July 2009 19:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
^ makes them sound a bit noisier than they are on the record
― thomp, Monday, 20 July 2009 19:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
the wire in playing fast and loose with the definition of "pop" shocker
― north sea jazz dit weekend (call all destroyer), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
that song sounded like someone playing back one of those generic chinese restaurant flute songs at half speed.
i got yer hypnogogic pop right here
― signature floor-scraping crouches (herb albert), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
― anagram, Monday, 20 July 2009 19:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
am content to no longer subscribe to this magazine, for a number of reasons
― mark cl, Monday, 20 July 2009 19:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
i do thumb through my back issues on occasion tho
Emeralds are awesome, Pocahaunted suck. There are way more bands both of these bands sound like other than each other.
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
solar bridge = top drawer lo-fi psych-drone
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
i just signed a deal to write a 33 1/3 book about hypnagogic pop....it's gonna basically be a first person account of me surfing the internet today....some ILXORS will be making cameo appearances! : )
― I'm a Matt...I'm a DC (M@tt He1ges0n), Monday, 20 July 2009 20:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm trying to think of something snappy and contrarian
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 20 July 2009 20:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
sorry to derail, but ilx poster: "i know, right?": did you used to post under a different name? i think i'm guilty of having you mixed up with someone else for a very, very long time
― thomp, Monday, 20 July 2009 20:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
no i've pretty much always been me iirc ; )
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
The last time i got this annoyed by the wire was when they used Vladislav Delay instead of Luomo which I figured is because Luomo is a more famous handle.
he uses difft handles for difft releases tho, i assume the wire just used whatever he was using at the time
― lex pretend, Monday, 20 July 2009 21:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
I can't help thinking that the phrase 'hypnagogic pop' would be a better description of MBV etc than it is of Pocahaunted et al. And if it fits to any act these days, I reckon it'd be Grouper.
― Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
(oh okay thanks) (xposts)
― thomp, Monday, 20 July 2009 21:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
this thread is now #3 on google for Hypnagogic Pophttp://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=hypnagogic+pop&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
indeed it may be a few dozen Skaters and Pocahaunted albums since I heard anything by them, but I really have no idea what they have to do with 'pop'.
― Akon/Family (Merdeyeux), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
"The last time i got this annoyed by the wire was when they used Vladislav Delay instead of Luomo which I figured is because Luomo is a more famous handle.
he uses difft handles for difft releases tho, i assume the wire just used whatever he was using at the time"
Also I'm not sure this would necessarily be true for readers of the Wire anyway.
― He was only 21 years old when he 16 (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
i found the pdf of the hypnagogic pop on another boardhxxp://www.mediafire.com/?i0kyoexginm
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
reminds me of when the wire were really into Cocorosie
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
so you can read it all to your hearts contentxp
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
^ Kitchens of Distinction claiming the h-word the term for shoegaze
― Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
didnt the cure do it first?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
i don't get why they don't just throw it in some hauntology bracket
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
giving it it's own thread where people start discussing it essentially legitimizes it, so good work herms
― nutzhak perlman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
― I'm a Matt...I'm a DC (M@tt He1ges0n), Monday, July 20, 2009 4:02 PM (1 hour ago)
i'll be cool, sounds like a bit of fun
― k3vin k., Monday, 20 July 2009 21:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
^^^will be cool
― stop envisioning Kristin Scott Thomas with a yeast infection (country matters), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
i found the pdf of the hypnagogic pop on another board
Until I read the full article I won't know for sure, but there may be a connection of some kind with the Hypnagogue EP by former Keenan faves Current 93.
― anagram, Monday, 20 July 2009 22:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think originally the term for bands like the skaters and pocohaunted was 'moan-wave'. srsly.
― Francis, Monday, 20 July 2009 22:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
tbh the wire's been infuriating for as long as i've been aware of it, which is since like '01. but it's still the magazine i'll look for in train stations. which admittedly means it falls somewhere on an interest scale like
50-100 pages of book > today's paper > another 50-100 pages of book > the wire > the economist
― thomp, Monday, 10 August 2009 13:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
i mean — how long ago was 'new weird america'? that one was WAY more annoying, bcz it stood some chance of gaining real traction amongst ppl whose opinions i wouldn't immediately disregard — whereas if anyone tells me they're into 'hypnagogic pop' i am pretty sure i can ignore them
― thomp, Monday, 10 August 2009 13:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
I used hypnagogic pop in a review last week. Granted it was with scarequotes you could see from space but it still felt gooooooooood
― Tim Krul ringmaster (DJ Mencap), Monday, 10 August 2009 13:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
So could things be retroactively tagged as "hypnagogic pop"? What would or would not make something like Spiritualized's "Electric Mainline" hypnagogic pop?
― claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Monday, 10 August 2009 16:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
Or, for that matter, "Soon"?
― claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Monday, 10 August 2009 16:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
I guess I'm threatening to become this thread's spokesperson for the term by answering this, but the fact that those are from albums with high production budgets - famously so in one case - and don't seem to try and be evoking nostalgia as an *ethos*, would say to me that they don't have a lot to do with the idea. At a guess tho MBV have had a trickle-down influence on bands from this sphere, maybe filtered through Flying Saucer Attack and that lot
― Tim Krul ringmaster (DJ Mencap), Monday, 10 August 2009 20:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
wouldn't DEFINITION hypnagogic pop be those catchy lines from pop songs that loop over and over again in your brain when you are lying in bed sick or hungover?
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Monday, 10 August 2009 21:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
that's part of why this term annoys me ... that there are plenty of other things that more obviously fit the definition as the words are commonly understood.
Also, wondering what the ratio was of "new weird america" being used sincerely vs. ironically.
― free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Monday, 10 August 2009 21:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
are dead machine's hp?
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 10 August 2009 22:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
HPs tend to last longer than Epsons, imo.
― free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Monday, 10 August 2009 22:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
make you install all this shitty software for the scanner if you use macs tho
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 10 August 2009 22:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
^^ yeah, paper handling is kinda crappy, too.
― free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Monday, 10 August 2009 22:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm the kind of guy who needs an artisan cheesemonger, an antiquarian book store and a speciality off-license at the bottom of my street before I can even start to feel comfortable
^ this bit in his blog made me mentally thwunk him in the nads w/ a rolling pin when I read it
― Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Monday, 10 August 2009 22:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
Eh IDK, he might be a douchebag but that reads like jokey self-deprecation
― Tim Krul ringmaster (DJ Mencap), Monday, 10 August 2009 23:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
I allowed for that by only doing it gently in a jokey way.
― Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Monday, 10 August 2009 23:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
Is The Field's "The More That I Do" hp?
― claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 02:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think a big part of hp is sounding like its recorded on a dictaphone/all-in-one printing and scanning capabilities
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 02:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
so it's essentially "lo-fi fuzzy/shoegaze pop music"? Would Spectrum's "How You Satisfy Me" be hypnagogic if GBV covered it?
― claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 02:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
uh examples of HP are Emeralds, Pocahaunted, Ariel Pink, Skaters, Lamborghini Crystal
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 02:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
really can't believe i just posted that btw
would you say those bands form the HP Canon?
― free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 02:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
According to the article, it's Skaters first and foremost, as well as the works of the individual works of Ferraro and Clark (Lamborghini Crystal, Edward Flex, Black Joker, Monopoly Child Star Searchers, Vodka Soap). Also, along with Ariel Pink, Pocohaunted, and Emeralds, there's Zola Jesus, Gary War, Sore Eros, The Super Vacations, Infinity Window, Oneohtrix Point Never, Orphan Fairytale, Dolphins Into The Future, Ducktails.....did I leave any out?
― Dan S, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
tbf it is a pretty definite aesthetic that makes sense straight away when you start listing
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
I was only asking to make another computer brand joke, tbh.
― free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, but I was too ashamed after my last post I just couldn't
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
that's okay, keep it ep, son.
― free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think the citations of individual works that had influence on the sound of these artists are interesting: Tom Tom Club, Marc Hunter's "Big City Talk", Don Henley's "Boys Of Summer", "Running Up That Hill", The Ghostbuster Soundtrack, new age music.
I also love the non-musical ingluences that James Ferraro and Spencer Clark list: Ghostbusters, surf movies, Beverly Hills 90210, Russian Theosophist PD Ouspensky, And the cultural totems and roadside temples: Atlantis, dolphins, KFC, Hard Rock Cafes, TV dinners, strip clubs, gyms, and celebrities.
― Dan S, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
The Wire are falling asleep with all this hypnagogic pop; they should wake up and get into some hypnopompic pop.
― moley, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 05:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's Skaters first and foremost, as well as the works of the individual works of Ferraro and Clark (Lamborghini Crystal, Edward Flex, Black Joker, Monopoly Child Star Searchers, Vodka Soap). Also, along with Ariel Pink, Pocohaunted, and Emeralds, there's Zola Jesus, Gary War, Sore Eros, The Super Vacations, Infinity Window, Oneohtrix Point Never, Orphan Fairytale, Dolphins Into The Future, Ducktails.....did I leave any out?
Really though, only Ferraro's solo work, Dolphins and Ducktails I can see fitting the Hypnastoopid Pop glove, the rest is vastly different from eachother...
I still cannot believe The Wire didn't tell Keenan to fuck off with this
― rizzx, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 07:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
"The Wire has gotten nearly as silly as the NME."Well the Wire has been staffed by former NME writers since the mid- to late 80s so making up genres to slot music they wnat to tell you about is nothing that is too surprising.
Unfortunately there is a lack of ideas/argument at the mo. Still look at it in train stations but it often stays at the station.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 08:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
Look for it in train stations, have a rapid scan through Invisible Jukebox, put it back on the shelf... knowhorrimean?
― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan noo an' aw (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
no I don't, I'm an American ... you either get it by subscription or find it in fancier bookstores or record stores.
― free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
Look for it in fancy bookstores, have a rapid scan through Invisible Jukebox, put it back on the shelf... knowhorrimean?
― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan noo an' aw (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
William Basinski in the new one, btw. Interested to read it. Going to buy the book shortly too. I believe it has Haino in it?
― krakow, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
xp actually, look for it at fancy bookstore, look to see if any questionable genres have been coined, look to see if anyone I know has anything reviewed in it, put it back on shelf.
― free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
Every genre is 'questionable'.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
Have to say that I do quite enjoy the Hello-ish full page photos of mopey-looking musicians in their scuzzy domiciles.
― Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hello?
― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan noo an' aw (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
Not enough avant-gardists glowering at manky old teapots.
― Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
The Wire would be vastly improved if they printed more letters to the editor.
― free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
That's a good point I think.
― Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
They should def print Tom D's letters :-)
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't write any anymore!
― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan noo an' aw (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
Because I don't buy it often enough to get annoyed enough to write a letter!
um so can someone pls point me towards the poppier end of this stuff?
― (9/9/8/9) (cozwn), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 11:00 (8 months ago) Permalink
Ariel Pink I spose?
― an hesher (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 11:16 (8 months ago) Permalink
I saw them play about a week ago and they had a song that sounded like Def Leppard, I could get with it
dude who uploaded this needs to play the tape through maybe 20 more times then stick it back up, and Ariel Pink never needs to write a song again
― flashback to 2007: with this guardian blog (DJ Mencap), Friday, 18 December 2009 21:15 (8 months ago) Permalink
I think there is something in this. I've been listening to a lot of Gary War, Emeralds, Rangers, Oneohtrix recently and I can see some relation, although no justification for a "scene" to be created - a lot of the stuff on the Olde English Spelling Bee label sounds similar. As an Englishman of a certain age it is evocative of ET era Spielberg films, of an America I'm not sure ever existed but created by a weird juxtaposition of watching Happy Days in northern England in the 1980s. A lot of these bands also seem to be trying to recreate Loveless as cheaply as possible.
Liking Forest Swords too - this guy seems to be from near where I grew up, near Liverpool, and is adding Burial to the mix. Good stuff.
― kraudive, Friday, 28 May 2010 23:19 (3 months ago) Permalink
Creating a such-and-such that seemed to exist but never did is always a good plan to me. I applaud unmusics, &c.
I am fighting off an infection and hope I don't get gangrene or something equally amputate-able.
― bamcquern, Saturday, 29 May 2010 04:26 (3 months ago) Permalink