1974's Oscar Nominees

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We did '75 and '76, but somehow I never actually got around to doing '74, which I know a lot of people consider the decade's best slate.

Poll Results

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Chinatown, Robert Evans (Paramount) 21
The Conversation, Francis Ford Coppola (Paramount) 12
The Godfather Part II, Francis Ford Coppola, Gray Frederickson, Fred Roos (Paramount) 6
The Towering Inferno, Irwin Allen (20th Century Fox/Warner Bros.) 5
Lenny, Marvin Worth (United Artists) 1


Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 15:52 (eight years ago) link

Skyscraper! the only dud

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 15:53 (eight years ago) link

Between gfii and chinatown right now chinatown

lance armstrong will have been delighted (darraghmac), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 15:53 (eight years ago) link

this poll was made for clemenza

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 15:54 (eight years ago) link

forget it clem

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 15:56 (eight years ago) link

chinatown. i don't even mind towering inferno being up there as a representative of lol 70s.

balls, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 15:56 (eight years ago) link

I wish all sops to blockbusterism in future best picture races were as much tacky fun as Irwin Allen.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 15:56 (eight years ago) link

If it boils down to Chinatown vs. The Godfather the 2nd, yeah, backing the former.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 15:57 (eight years ago) link

oh my yes!

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:02 (eight years ago) link

But I voted Towering because that's who I am.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:05 (eight years ago) link

you always pick the worst cept Amour got snubbed!

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:06 (eight years ago) link

Wrong thread but you need a brain drip if you think Amour is worse than Mental Health Dancing and Les Miz

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:08 (eight years ago) link

3-way split for me, probly voting Godfather II, kinda crazy that Coppola had those 2 movies in the same year

tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:09 (eight years ago) link

xp Yeah, and you can't hide behind the "some movies don't count" defense either, poopyhead!

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:09 (eight years ago) link

i'd say Lenny was the least good of these 5 but then i can't remember much about it

tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:10 (eight years ago) link

we've just been agreeing too much this week, boo

xp

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:11 (eight years ago) link

You think you have poop for a head too?

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:11 (eight years ago) link

can't believe wizard of oz won the 39 poll, gimme a break

balls, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:11 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, you guys are messing with my mind...I can't think of any three nominees ever that are closer for me than the first three. Whichever way I order them, it's like 100%, 99.9%, 99.8%. Unfortunately, I'm also a bit tired of all three from seeing them so many times.

clemenza, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 17:06 (eight years ago) link

chinatown

never seen Lenny, still remember seeing Towering Inferno in the theater, rare instance of the whole family going to the movies together

buzza, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 17:09 (eight years ago) link

SCTV did wonderful extended parodies of three of these: The Towering Inferno, The Godfather (as "Network Wars") and Chinatown (as "Polynesian Town").

Josefa, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 17:29 (eight years ago) link

Polynesian Town was the best of those parodies, too.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 17:36 (eight years ago) link

That silly Towering Inferno spot could have taken up by any of the following: The Sugarland Express (my first pick), Thieves Like Us, California Split, Harry and Tonto, The Parallax View, Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore, or Young Frankenstein. Those are just the obvious ones, and sticking to American films.

clemenza, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 17:42 (eight years ago) link

I can't describe how happy Inferno's nomination makes me.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 17:44 (eight years ago) link

My BP lineup from that year would've been (no idea on "eligibility"):

Ali: Fear Eats the Soul
Female Trouble
The Parallax View
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre
A Woman Under the Influence

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 17:46 (eight years ago) link

Ali and Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia would've been on mine.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 17:49 (eight years ago) link

And then three empty slots?

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 17:50 (eight years ago) link

wkiw

http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/towering2.jpg

buzza, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 17:50 (eight years ago) link

Forgot A Woman Under the Influence--that was another obvious possibility. I was going to add Chainsaw, with an "in another universe" asterisk. My five would be the first three, plus The Sugarland Express, plus California Split; I'd put Chainsaw next in line.

clemenza, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 17:53 (eight years ago) link

I'm also a big fan of The Gambler, though it is kind of heavy-handed.

clemenza, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 17:54 (eight years ago) link

I miiiiiiight put Towering over Lenny

da croupier, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 18:07 (eight years ago) link

i mean it's got newman AND mcqueen, and richard chamberlain def should have had an acting nom

da croupier, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 18:07 (eight years ago) link

OJ saving a cat is pretty memorable.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 18:08 (eight years ago) link

ok i didn't know astaire had a nom for Inferno over Chamberlain that is bullshit

da croupier, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 18:09 (eight years ago) link

I found Lenny tedious when I watched it again last year, so its absence wouldn't bother me a bit. I've never seen it myself, but in terms of disaster films, Kael liked Richard Lester's Juggernaut from '74.

clemenza, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 18:12 (eight years ago) link

xp Jennifer Jones would've been the really logical choice

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 18:13 (eight years ago) link

Not that anyone in the movie has a patch on Shelly Winters.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 18:13 (eight years ago) link

Kael liked Earthquake best iirc. Rightfully so.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 18:13 (eight years ago) link

of what i've seen of the 1974 films mentioned (including all five actual noms) i guess my top 5 would be Conversation, Godfather Part II, Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore, Harry & Tonto, and one of the two movies about a dude with a busted nose in California.

da croupier, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 18:14 (eight years ago) link

Thought you would have had The Phantom of Liberty on your list, Eric. I looked at an expanded list of films, and here are some others I like: Alice in the Cities and The Enigma of Kaspar Hauser (been a while since I saw either), The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz (a new print just about to be released here), Hearts and Minds (actually won documentary), and Cockfighter. For pure entertainment, I'd rank The Taking of Pelham One, Two, Three with almost anything from that year.

clemenza, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 18:31 (eight years ago) link

What an astounding year. Probably more movies I love from '74 than there are from the past five (ten?) years.

Coke Opus (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 18:47 (eight years ago) link

Excellent Academy Awards show, too. That was the year Bert Schneider read his telegram from Saigon, to the utter horror of Carson or Sinatra or John Wayne (I forget).

clemenza, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 18:50 (eight years ago) link

Telegram from the Viet Cong, I should say.

clemenza, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 18:51 (eight years ago) link

I think it was Bob Hope who got super pissed off. Or maybe he just read the disclaimer.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 19:02 (eight years ago) link

my family went to see Inferno during orig run, too.

croup, he's Fred fucking Astaire, stfu

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 19:45 (eight years ago) link

'wizard' winning for 39 isn't that weird, it's better than anything else in that poll ('regle du jeu' obv not eligible). 'lenny' is OK but it's kind of a cleaned-up, nicey-nicey version of bruce. 'chinatown' all the way here.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 20:10 (eight years ago) link

1974 was also the year of Airport '75, so probably the best year for disaster movies ever. The idea of an Airport movie getting a Best Picture nomination may seem crazy, but as some may remember, the original one of 1970 did just that. And Helen Hayes won Best Supporting Actress for her role in it.

Josefa, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 00:30 (eight years ago) link

but the '70 Airport is really a Grand Hotel melo riff, w/ the disaster saved for what, the last 30 mins?

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 03:01 (eight years ago) link

Burt Lancaster: "I don`t know why Airport (1970) was nominated for any Oscars - it`s the biggest piece of junk ever."

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 03:04 (eight years ago) link

Been wanting to watch The Conversation again, it's been well over a decade since I have seen it. The Sugarland Express and California Split I saw a few years ago along with Dirty Mary, Crazy Larry. But Cockfighter is probably my all time favorite film from 1974 with Warren Oates (love). I think I need to purchase that one if it is available. I watched some bootleg copy of it for years.

*tera, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 03:16 (eight years ago) link

but the '70 Airport is really a Grand Hotel melo riff, w/ the disaster saved for what, the last 30 mins?

True. And consequently, Airport '75 is the more entertaining movie. In 1970 Helen Hayes beat out Karen Black (Five Easy Pieces) for the Best Supporting Actress Oscar, but Karen Black got her revenge by flying the motherfucking plane in Airport '75.

Josefa, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 05:39 (eight years ago) link

I was able to get a VHS copy of Cockfighter when Toronto's Sam the Record Man went under. Thought it was quite good the one time I watched it, with Oates very restrained. If there's a good print somewhere, Criterion or Olive should look into releasing it.

clemenza, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 12:43 (eight years ago) link

Never would have guessed: very available right now.

clemenza, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 12:51 (eight years ago) link

Cockfighter is still banned in the UK on the grounds of animal cruelty

the documentary on that dvd is really excellent, btw

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 12:58 (eight years ago) link

if i remember correctly the law on cruelty to animals in films pre-dates any other UK censorship legislation

tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 13:00 (eight years ago) link

My grandfather's two favorite movies in the world were Patton and Cockfighter; the former because he served under him in WWII, the latter because he grew up in West Virginia and, well into my teenage years, raised roosters for cockfighting.

ARE YOU HIRING A NANNY OR A SHAMAN (Phil D.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 13:29 (eight years ago) link

Am I really the only one who thinks the Conversation is the best movie on this list by a pretty wide margin?

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 13:32 (eight years ago) link

not by a wide margin, but it's got my vote

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 13:33 (eight years ago) link

The Conversation is the most overrated

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 15:01 (eight years ago) link

Agreed tbh

bbag bbag my nebby shot me down (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 15:06 (eight years ago) link

It drags a bit.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 15:08 (eight years ago) link

Just looked at the wiki for the awards that year..how the fuck did Ingrid Bergman win for Murder On The Orient Express?

pandemic, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 15:23 (eight years ago) link

sentiment

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 15:24 (eight years ago) link

Was she considered a surprise winner? I know that prognostication wasn't anywhere near the same insidious level it's been over the last couple decades, but I'm wondering what the buzzline was on that race and I don't have my copy of Inside Oscar handy.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 15:25 (eight years ago) link

It's a terrible part and she's terrible at it although she's partly supposed to be I guess. I'm just baffled that it would even garner a nomination tbh.

pandemic, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 15:30 (eight years ago) link

I've never seen Anastasia, so it was either a first or second "apology Oscar" for how shittily they treated her during her Rossellini period.

I think in her speech she apologized to Valentina Cortesa for beating her.

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 15:33 (eight years ago) link

LOL that between her and Astaire, they used up their sentimental vote on her.

Well, and Art Carney.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 15:33 (eight years ago) link

yeah I thought Cortese was the frontrunner.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 15:35 (eight years ago) link

Lots of actors competing for worst-ever work in Murder.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 15:35 (eight years ago) link

Carney is real good in H&T, it wasnt his fault that Jack and Al split the youth vote.

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 15:37 (eight years ago) link

Murder is kinda campy fun, as I recall... a real great MAD parody tho.

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 15:37 (eight years ago) link

a MAD parody at Finnegans Wake length.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 15:38 (eight years ago) link

Sort of surprised Shire didn't get swept up in the G2 groundswell.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 15:39 (eight years ago) link

Wow. I don't think I've ever seen straight 1-heart ratings before: http://stinkylulu.blogspot.com/2006/11/supporting-actress-smackdown-1974.html

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 15:40 (eight years ago) link

yes, btwn Nixon's fall and the absence of Oscar blogs, the world was a better place then.

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 15:45 (eight years ago) link

Ken's remark:

Ken Sez: Once the moral climate thawed out a bit, Hollywood never seemed to stop apologizing to Ingrid Bergman for the Rossellini era tar and feather treatment. But the Oscar for Orient Express was carrying it entirely too far. Even the actress herself seemed needled by the award. In a prickly acceptance speech, she virtually re-gifted it to Valentina Cortese - a clumsy gesture that can hardly have endeared her to the other three nominees, sweeping them implicitly, as it did, into her "I am not worthy" club.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 15:51 (eight years ago) link

Maybe Madeline Kahn should have won? (For Young Frankenstein, though.) I can't think of an important supporting actress from my own favourites. I'm surprised in a way that De Niro managed to avoid vote-splitting with Gazzo and Strasberg for Supporting Actor.

The Conversation never drags! Not for a second.

clemenza, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 15:56 (eight years ago) link

Bergman's speech never registered as prickly to me. Though it did seem that she was about to actually give the award to Cortese (the word "therefore") before simply offering her apology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky5sW4no_cg

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:01 (eight years ago) link

Hah, at a different MB I used to attend, someone counts this very win as the moment he gave up on Oscars.

Ingrid Bergman's nomination was, for me, an "I never even gave it a thought when I watched the movie" stunner. People seriously think that "I raise brown babies" monologue was Oscar territory? I found it borderline laughable. When people started predicting her to win...when she actually DID win...well, in tandem with the previous year's unforgivable lead acting pair, it made me re-evaluate my entire attitude toward the Oscars -- where, prior, I'd thought the voters were going to flirt with bad taste but somehow rescue themselves in the end, now I had the feeling that, year after year, they would find ever-more inventive ways of disappointing me. Of course on the odd great Oscar night ('77, '83) I've been able to briefly recapture the earlier enthusiasm, but the innocence was gone after this.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:02 (eight years ago) link

Ah, yes, the lost innocence of self-administered industry awards, RIP America.

ARE YOU HIRING A NANNY OR A SHAMAN (Phil D.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:05 (eight years ago) link

I'm surprised in a way that De Niro managed to avoid vote-splitting with Gazzo and Strasberg for Supporting Actor.

One of those three is a gigantic role and a reincarnation of Brando. The other two are very much background players, no?

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:05 (eight years ago) link

I lost my reverse-Oscar-innocence when Crash won. Never again, I thought, would they be able to top this.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:05 (eight years ago) link

de niro got 'he stole the film' hosannas like kael's

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:08 (eight years ago) link

Even if the Jaws theme had existed then, I think Ingrid would have gotten a pass...Starry-eyed sigh for Katherine Ross.

I agree De Niro had a much larger role--larger than some Best Actor winners, I'm sure--and was also already earmarked as a major new actor. But I would have thought the other guys would have gotten some votes anyway (they're both fantastic, I think), and Strasberg carried lots of mystique into that vote.

clemenza, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:08 (eight years ago) link

I was never innocent. I mean, I watched Rain Man win.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:08 (eight years ago) link

That Gazzo got nominated over Cazale seems very NAGL now.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:11 (eight years ago) link

Eric H. in 1988 thought Rain Man was an excellent driver.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:11 (eight years ago) link

I'd argue for a parallel with the '72 Supporting Actor category--Pacino replacing De Niro as having the bigger and more substantive role--but I know you guys will say Joel Grey should have won easy regardless.

(Agree totally about Cazale.)

clemenza, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:13 (eight years ago) link

I'm fine with Grey beating Pacino in a head-to-head in either category. Pacino didn't really bloom in the role until the second one imo.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:14 (eight years ago) link

I guess I'll save that talk until 2015 when I poll 1972.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:15 (eight years ago) link

Strasberg is incredible in G2, i guess i've just become inured to prime de Niro over the years

tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:20 (eight years ago) link

I find his first scene especially memorable. This little old guy sitting quietly in a small bungalow, watching college football as his wife attends to him. And how quietly he says "Sit down, Michael," just barely looking up from the TV screen.

clemenza, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:34 (eight years ago) link

yeah, the slow reveal from elderly mentor to baddest of the bad is beautifully done

tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:37 (eight years ago) link

decent recreation of a North Miami or North Miami Beach neighborhood too.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:41 (eight years ago) link

isnt he watching baseball?

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:50 (eight years ago) link

He's watching Cabaret.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:53 (eight years ago) link

Definitely college football. Baseball comes into the scene here.

clemenza, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 18:15 (eight years ago) link

Now that I think about it, how in the world was Huston overlooked for Supporting Actor? That would seem to be a lock, both on the merits and in terms of narrative. My five would have been the three GF II guys, plus Cazale, plus Huston. I'd be fine replacing Gazzo with Allen Garfield in The Conversation ("C'mon, Harry, show and tell"), and, in the best of all possible worlds, finding room for Polanski somewhere.

clemenza, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 18:32 (eight years ago) link

Best Director

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 18:37 (eight years ago) link

this poll was made for clemenza
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:54 AM (Yesterday)

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 18:37 (eight years ago) link

I'm just getting warmed up--I'll be moving on to art direction very shortly. I know Polanski was up for best director, but he probably makes a more indelible impression in Chinatown than 97% of the people who have ever won Supporting Actor. Is Beatrice Straight's part in Network that much longer in terms of screen time?

clemenza, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 18:43 (eight years ago) link

No question he was overlooked.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 18:44 (eight years ago) link

Polanski's in Chinatown roughly 37 seconds, so yeah, Straight's part is longer.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 18:53 (eight years ago) link

Huston, that is

xpost

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 18:54 (eight years ago) link

Huston, otoh, I def would've nominated and I guess likely awarded.

John P. Ryan, It's Alive
Gena Rowlands, A Woman Under the Influence
Gerrit Graham, Phantom of the Paradise
Edith Massey, Female Trouble

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:11 (eight years ago) link

Er, I guess I meant to type him in but my fingers wouldn't obey.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:12 (eight years ago) link

I realize you can't realistically nominate someone for a brief cameo (even less likely when it's someone who's not primarily an actor). Straight's performance ran five minutes and 40 seconds according to Wikipedia. I've seen Network two or three times and don't remember much beyond the fact she's upset and arguing with Holden. Polanski's scene is arguably the best 37 seconds in a phenomenal film. Anyway, no room at the inn that particular year.

clemenza, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:16 (eight years ago) link

I'll grant the context of Network makes it sort of hard to see women at all, but damn, you have to be actively not looking at them to think that Straight, Marlene Warfield and (in a limited role that gets quoted here every other week) Conchata Ferrell don't make a huge impression.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:21 (eight years ago) link

(in a limited role that gets quoted here every other week) Conchata Ferrell

this has sailed by me.

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:27 (eight years ago) link

That's because you're crusty but benign.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:27 (eight years ago) link

nearly hairless and malignant

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:32 (eight years ago) link

Straight gets the most overwrought abandoned-wife speech in history, far worse than what I heard from my upstairs neighbor two weeks ago.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:32 (eight years ago) link

		LOUISE
(stands)
Then say it! Don't keep telling me
you're obsessed, you're infatuated
-- say you're in love with her!

MAX
I'm in love with her.

LOUISE
(erupts)
Then get out, go to a hotel, go
anywhere you want, go live with
her, but don't come back! Because
after twenty-five years of building
a home and raising a family and all
the senseless pain we've inflicted
on each other, I'll be damned if I'll
just stand here and let you tell me
you love somebody else!
Because this isn't just some con-
vention weekend with your secretary,
is it? Or some broad you picked up
after three belts of booze. This
is your great winter romance, isn't
it?, your last roar of passion be-
fore you sink into your emeritus
years. Is that what's left for me?
Is that my share? She gets the great
winter passion, and I get the dotage?
Am I supposed to sit at home knitting
and purling till you slink back like
a penitent drunk? I'm your wife,
damn it! If you can't work up a
winter passion for me, then the
least I require is respect and
allegiance! I'm hurt! Don't you
understand that? I'm hurt badly!

vs.

	You're a very nosy fellow, kitty cat. Huh?
You know what happens to nosy fellows?
Huh? No? Wanna guess? Huh? No? Okay.
They lose their noses.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:40 (eight years ago) link

Sorry about your neighbor, Alfred.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:40 (eight years ago) link

ok, i found the Ferrell quote. why would one remember that?

also, calling Roman's wicked cameo the best scene in Chinatown is ridiculous.

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:41 (eight years ago) link

It sums up the vapidity of TV better than basically the entire rest of the movie?

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:41 (eight years ago) link

sort of a cross between Zorba The Greek and Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:49 (eight years ago) link

You needn't bother to read this thread's posts, Alfred. I'll tell them to you.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:50 (eight years ago) link

dog bites man xp

i like Network, but Kael had a point about Chayefsky's own vapidities.

back to '74, i do like Cockfighter more than at least 2 of these.

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:51 (eight years ago) link

Chinatown is filled with amazing scenes. I don't see how picking one of them and calling it arguably the best is even unreasonable, much less ridiculous.

clemenza, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:53 (eight years ago) link

How about when a scene is your sister AND your daughter?

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 20:00 (eight years ago) link

It's all good! Arguably, arguably..."Where'd you get the midget, Claude?" and "You're a nosy fellow, kitty-kat" are just as brilliant for me.

clemenza, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 20:03 (eight years ago) link

True: my first alcoholic drink upon turning 21 was a Tom Collins, with lime not lemon.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 20:11 (eight years ago) link

Friend told me that Chinatown clip shown at '75 Oscars was "SISTER!/DAUGHTER!" Bad spoiler, was reminded of it when they showed the climax of Flight the other night.

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 22:00 (eight years ago) link

best scene in chinatown is i hope you don't mind i believe they should be served with the head on

a permanent mental health break (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 22:14 (eight years ago) link

either that or when he's looking at the photographs on the walls whistling the way you look tonight

a permanent mental health break (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 22:14 (eight years ago) link

Yelburton: After you've worked with a man a certain length of time, you come to know his habits, his values - you come to know him - and either he's the kind who chases after women or he isn't.

Jake Gittes: Mulwray isn't?

Yelburton: He never even kids about it.

Jake Gittes: Well, maybe he takes it very seriousl

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 22:17 (eight years ago) link

heh heh heh. only when you breathe. heh-heh-heh.

a permanent mental health break (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 22:18 (eight years ago) link

delivery on "well maybe he takes it very seriously" is peak of jack btw

a permanent mental health break (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 22:19 (eight years ago) link

which is why the exclamation point in the screenplay is vulgar

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 22:22 (eight years ago) link

"Do you have a ruler? I forgot my glasses, and i like to read across."

and of course the joke at the barber's when Evelyn walks in.

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 22:25 (eight years ago) link

Whistling and looking at photos, that's when he's tormenting Yelburton's secretary, right? Love that scene. Also:

Retirement Home Guy: "We don't accept people of the Jewish faith."
Gittes: "That's okay, neither does dad."

Another guy who could have been nominated: G.D. Spradlin in GF II. "Mr...Cor-lee-one."

clemenza, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 22:26 (eight years ago) link

"I take a long lunch."

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 22:27 (eight years ago) link

Yeh. Sure. Bad for the glass.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 2 March 2013 02:36 (eight years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Tuesday, 19 March 2013 00:01 (eight years ago) link

I voted for The Conversation. The first two Godfathers go together for me--one without the other feels incomplete. I'm guessing Chinatown will win this handily; The Conversation picked a bad year to be a brilliant movie.

clemenza, Tuesday, 19 March 2013 03:50 (eight years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 00:01 (eight years ago) link

The Godfather Part II, Francis Ford Coppola, Gray Frederickson, Fred Roos (Paramount)	6
The Towering Inferno, Irwin Allen (20th Century Fox/Warner Bros.) 5

I <3 you ILX.

Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 00:20 (eight years ago) link


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