Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

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Because DG demanded it! Who's your favorite captain/commander: Pike, Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, or Archer? Did you read any of those books? How are the movies? Spock vs Data: who wins? Etc.

Dan Perry, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Here we go. *cracks knuckles*

Never watched the original series much (wasn't alive at the time of the originals, don't recall seeing the reruns), but became a fan of the movies when they started. Fell into things fully when TNG began (watched from the first episode to the last) and still followed those films, though after starting with both Deep Space Nine and Voyager I gave them up fully in late 1995 and never looked back. Have a couple of the, ahem, 'technical manuals' around the place but that's about it -- the other books I've avoided. Have no costumes, have always avoided any kind of conventions general or specific, take cruel pleasure in laughing at Shatner's follies in the fifth movie, as should we all (the fake MST version is the only one to see, frankly).

Unsurprisingly, Picard is my fave (I was actually a Patrick Stewart fan already), but both Avery Brooks and Kate Mulgrew did excellent jobs in their Sisko and Janeway roles. Scott Bakula as Archer just scares me as a concept. TNG cast my favorite ensemble bunch, though I will give it up (oh yes) for George Takei, Nichelle Nichols, DeForest Kelley, Leonard Nimoy, Terri Farrell, Alexander Siddiq, Rene Auberjonois, Ethan Phillips, Robert Beltran and Robert Picardo. Data ist rad. And so forth.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't demand it, I just said I was *expecting* it. I shall answer the question myself after a few more posts.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

what is this rubbish about kirk not being the best captain? i watched star trek II the other night, it is clearly the greatest film of all time. singular episodes of the original series make up my childhood. i remember my parents watching the next generation when it premiered and thinking, what is this boring crap? whereas wrath of khan scared me so bad i couldn't sleep (the bug- in-ear part, naturally). deep space nine and voyager are even worse. it's like if they made 'the prisoner: the next generation' with some bald dumbass replacing mcgoohan, and then made two more that were even worse shit. the original is one of the greatest television shows of all time and now it has been diluted to a bad punchline by greedy cash-ins. fuck paramount.

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The official DG view:
Original Series: Classic, except for most of season 3, which was poo.
Next Generation: Dud until 'Best Of Both Worlds', then got quite good.
Deep Space Nine: Undecided, it hasn't really grabbed me but the last season is on BBC2 at the moment and that's quite good I suppose.
Voyager: Dud with occasional Classic moments.
Films: I like most of them, especially II and III, but V, VII and IX are dud.
Basically I like the original best, like Ethan it was wot I watched when a tiny (on Friday nights at my grandparents' house while parents were off doing weekly food shop), but even now I still find it is more enjoyable and has a lot more charm than recent Trek (my Trekkie aunt recently dumped her entire collection of Original Series vids and other stuff on me, not that I'm ungrateful). Voyager is, in general, a travesty (how many shuttles do they have? how many crewmen? how many times must they end up in a temporal warp/unknown energy field etc) with a few redeeming features, but I don't think that it bodes well for the future. I'll give the new Trek series a chance, but I'm almost certain it will be *even worse* than Voyager. I mean, Quantum Leap bloke? Pffff.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

it's funny how they could never emulate the visual timelessness of the original series. the wonderful set design, the flat grey interiors, the uniforms, it all seemed RIGHT. whereas all series afterwards have used beige minivan consoles with the crew wearing cheap polyester halloween costumes.

note: star trek: the motion picture looked awful. but all the ones after that were awesome. how much cooler would next generation have been if they had those burgundy uniforms? kirk looked like the motherfucker in EVERY MOVIE wearing that shit.

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, red uniforms = the best. The original series is the best because the universe is just so unfriendly, not to mention the Enterprise interior decor. And the ships looked better, not interstellar Nissan Micras like they are post-TNG.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I will grant both movie II (and the ear scene in particular, freaked me out as an eleven-year-old -- Nick Meyer, the secret to success) and indeed the kick-ass burgundy uniforms, one of the best design decisions of the entire sequence. However, though there's easily enough ham- handedness in the later series to offset the ones in the original and all, where Ethan and DG see Goodness and Rightness, I see...well, a sixties TV series. For some this is enough, but not me. And I'll take the bald motherfucker, thank you. Kirk got his ass kicked by a bearded guy pretending to be God, Picard took on the Borg several times and won. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Problem with that is, Ned, I like 60s TV series. I like the original because it's good campy fun, whereas I find TNG and after a bit too serious for their own good. And they wear silly uniforms. And Picard is a Frenchman with an English accent, which is silly.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, I don't mind The Avengers and the like. But though sf is always not so much a projection of the future as an encapsulation of obsessions of the now, I find the disjunction between what the original series is and what it is supposed to be hard to deal with. Everything since then does indeed take itself more seriously, a reflection of the inevitable result of its popularity (you can just as easily argue that Star Wars suffers from the same problem, if it is one). Yet somehow that appeals to me more. The inevitable end result was actually Babylon 5, where a serious, overarching story was paramount (but which I could never stand myself, because for the most part the acting was so freakin' bad).

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Then we'll have to politely agree to disagree, then. I've never seen Babylon 5, so I couldn't comment on that.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

DG: watching babylon 5 is like getting the ear thing, only not as interesting.

ned: you think picard is tougher than picard. what. the. fuck. did you see wrath of khan? did you see that shit? he fucking kicked khan's fucking vinyl-chested ass. 'oh, yeah, you have genesis, khan but you don't have me. if you want me, you're going to have to come down here. you're GOING to HAVE to COME DOWN HERE!!!@#@@!$#'. you can say ANYTHING ELSE about kirk vs. picard, picard is smarter and more civil and professional or whatever the fuck, but nobody in their right fucking mind would say that he's tougher than motherfucking kirk. i am actually literally angry about this, so i need to calm down now. christ, i'm such a trekkie.

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

you think picard is tougher than picard.

I thought it was Riker who had the twin. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

grr, you know what i meant, i was just blinded by rage .

that riker transporter twin episode is some stupid shit though.

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

speaking of riker, here's an important point i forgot to make, NUMBER OF HATABLE CHARACTERS PER SERIES:

original series: chekov...maybe, but that's stretching it. he kicks ass in the movies, he's just sort of useless on the show. but the original cast (chekov being a second series addition) is flawless.

next generation: RIKER RIKER RIKER, troi, that doctor who replaced crusher for one year, yar, data (come on, admit it. he's a super-advanced andriod and he can't understand common phrases? he thinks a 'lemon' is a literal lemon for god's sake. i'm sure the writers kissed each other for how fucking cute that was. anyway mudd's women were way smarter). and WESLEY. geordie would get on my nerves if he were played by anyone but le var burton, but he's a childhood icon and can therefore do no wrong.

deep space nine: the only memorable character besides the captain (who is cool) is quark the ferengi (who is also cool). but the rest aren't even fleshed-out enough to annoy me. wait, no, the short-haired chick with the ridges on her nose aggravates the piss out of me. and the doctor, god.

voyager: it has an indian. and an asian guy. and a black vulcan. and the captain is a woman. only as annoying as that new ghostbusters cartoon where one of the ghostbusters was in a wheelchair. like, what the hell?

evidence that kirk is the best captain: all series after that have had kirk ripoffs that are nowhere as good as kirk because they are not as cool as the godly shatner. like riker, or that really forgettable womanizer guy from voyager. i mean, what the hell, don't you just want to punch riker in the face? does anyone not want to? anyone?

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

KIrk could kick picard's ass any day. Kirk was like a slutty brawling egotist and picard was an anal retentive bald french yuppie. I bet Spock coul d beat up data too. He would use some weird Vulcan technique. Bones was so much more likeable and tougher than that redhaired shit doctor on next generation. Wesley crusher was such a stupid littel prick. I'll take Chekov over him anyday. And I dug Uhurus sexy legs, She was a hootchie mama in that miniskirt

Mike Hanley, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I agree that Wesley should have been killed. Very very very VERY FUCKING SLOWLY.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Kirk boffed green alien slave girls with cleavage one could ski down. That alone made him cooler than any subsequent Captain. Other than him, my favorite Star Trek character was Q (what an asshole! what's there not to love about Q?)

All-time favorite episode is "Charlie X," where the Enterprise picks up some teenaged human waif from a planet, who then runs around the ship melting off the faces through telekinesis (?) of various crew members whenever he's teased or horny. What teenager couldn't identify with that?

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Chekov wasn't so bad in the TV series. He was essential because he had the greatest scream, which talent always came in handy when some breed of nasty aliens had some fiendish torture device. Ergo, Chekov = classic.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

q was awesome, yeah, but just because he made fun of picard. the whole concept was ripped off from that original series episode with the godlike alien who turns out to be just a spoiled kid, and that storyline is better than anything that ever had q in it anyway.

ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Does knowing the difference between a trekker and a trekkie and then claiming you're a trekker instantly make you a trekkie?

I remembered TNG being great when I was 12, but I watched a few of them more recently and they were AWFUL, even the later ones. I think I might have quite liked Deep Space Nine later on, when they started having season-long story arcs, but I never saw enough of them to make sense of what was going on.

John Davey, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

everyone likes ricardo montalban, no?

gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

D U D!

How come most of the crew are American yet NONE of them are chronically obese? (except Scotty who's - ahem - ""Scottish"")

In the 60s it was a bizarre mix of US military 'might is right' fascism and Hippy-dippy, 'why can't all nations hold hands?' idealism (though still managing to be sexist ~ Uhura the Captains secretary and Yoaman Rand (is that right) the Captains bit of [onboard] fluff. AND THATS IT SISTERS!)

It should have ended there as it ran out of ideas and people stopped watching it. But OH NO, they had to bring it back in the 80s with over-long, plodding bore-a-thon 'Next Generation' episodes that tapped into the touchy-feely / inner-child / New-Age nonsense that was on the go at the time. I mean - Counsellor Troi = WHY? She even sits on the bridge next to the Captain!! the message is in the 25th Century a bloody social worker is one of the most important jobs on a space ship.

But it was all so clinical and corperate and soul-less, advocating Pro-conformity and how you should be a good citizen. And too much sanctimonious liberal finger-wagging for my liking.

And it starred Whoopi Goldberg.

And how come all the baddies end up as the Federation's (UGH!) freind, taking tokenistic jobs as Navigators etc?

And why was it always so fucking BORING?

D*A*V*I*D*M, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

star trek. sanctimonious. surely not? heh heh heh

gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Voyager totally kicks the ass of *all* previous incarnations. Because Voyager slash fiction features 7of9, who iz meh on- screen, sexwise, but as a conceptual device in print iz rowr

mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What is the point of Riker? What the hell is his 'schtick'?

dave q, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The point of Riker was to dilute the Wesley Hatred. This plan backfired when Wesley left and Riker grew a smug beard, turning him into one of the worst things ever. I kept hoping that he and Troi would get sucked into a black hole.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I could tolerate Troi's psychobabble only because of her cleavage. And her ass. Other than that, she was useless.

Another Star Trek I had over the other incarnations -- BETTER BACKGROUND MUSIC! Esp. that duh-dum-duh-dum-DUH-DUM-duh-dum theme whenever Kirk's ass was in deep ship.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I second the post about Troi's assets! The 'psychobabble' thing was hilarious - somebody's biting their nails quickly and their eyes are darting around the room, and Troi's insight is, "He is obviously nervous and anxious about something."

dave q, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

orig.Star Trek composer = v.influenced by Varese... hey, like someone else TS has a tatse for, methinks?

mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

My problem is that I never thought Troi was all that attractive. I mean, Dr. Crusher had more going for her on a purely physical level, IMO, and she wasn't saddled with blurting out painfully obvious lines that inadvertantly made the rest of the crew seem retarded for not being able to pick up on obvious visual cues.

On the other hand, Troi's mother was AWESOME.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

dan, you're scaring me now.

gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Troi's Mom more attractive than Troi? Dan, you really are the Evil Clown ;-)

And the original ST's music was Varese-influenced, hey? Hmmmm ... never knew that! Maybe I should go over to that "Who Opened Your Ears" thread in ILM and change an answer or two of mine :-)

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

NONONONONONO!

Troi's mom was cooler than Troi, not more attractive! Aigh, my eyes!

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Trying to advance the human race through space diplomacy... until they kill all the people [aliens] at the end of the episode/movie. At least Star Wars was honest.

JM, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Why, Dan, why can't you admit that you've got some love of the grey in you? Before Joei came along, I'm sure you were searching for your own Mrs. Robinson for after-school lessons...

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

star wars, honest? it makes no fuckin sense. darth vader tells luke that if he strikes out against him in anger then he will become just like him, and then luke strikes out in anger, and then he wins and everyone's happy? that whole movie is shit anyway because george lucas had an INFINITE fucking pool of ideas to choose from and a huge budget to carry it out, and what does he do? ANOTHER death star and ANOTHER darth/luke lightsaber battle. fuck george lucas, the only good one was empire strikes back and he didn't direct that.

troi: not attractive.

crusher: nuh-uh.

troi's mom: uh.

that guy who was troi's mom's butler or something and was the guy who played lurch in the addams family movies: mrowr.

question: who liked first contact? it was like a next generation episode, only like, cool. plus, supercool supporting cast with alfre woodard and the farmer guy from babe.

someone start a star wars thread so i can bitch about how much that sucks except for empire strikes back.

ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ethan:
1) There already is a Star Wars thread, it should be in the 'films' category, though it might be under 'culture', not sure.
2) First Contact was wicked at the cinema, but overall I found it a bit disappointing they had to spend the middle part of the film trying to make it like 'Aliens'.

DG, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the way the guys in the red shirts who form part of the away team with the main characters always get killed. Original series only for me, Dr McCoy is great! I wish I could be more like Spock.

james e l, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah, this is great, I was expecting to be beaten about the head by fans of TNG...the original series rules!

DG, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm glad they tried to make the middle of it like aliens. aliens was wicked. anything that makes next generation have more explosions and blood is good.

hey i just remembered something else i liked in next generation, although it's from that bastard movie where kirk dies (falling off a walkway! the fuck? he's saved the universe like two hundred times and he falls of a walkway and dies? fuck). um anyway, i liked when data said 'shit'.

ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Counsellor Trios ass and tits were ok, but that nose ruined all. Still I bet Riker would often chuckle with Warf about how if she had a abg over her head he'd do her, and then Warf would probaby say "Yeah, and her fore head isnt bumpy enough". There was an episode when the crew was all morphin ginto prehistoric froms of themselves and Warf came on to Trio by saying "GET OUT OF THAT BATH! " and biting her. Not very romantic, those Vulcans.

Mike Hanley, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Riker and Picard are both closeted fags ( in trek and IRL)

anthony, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

THey didn't seem to be too closeted to me. PIcard always strutted about like a flamboyant ass -peacock in heat.

Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I kinda like Enterprise, especially that superflous shower scene in the first epidode. And the 80's power ballad theme tune is great.

jel --, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Jel, are you on Klingon Krack? That is the worst theme song ever ever ever!

Andrew L, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Andrew said it all. Jel, you have given way to insanity.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Riker was surely a weak attempt at a Kirk junior. Troi was hilarious. On the viewscreen appears some sweaty guy with his clothes torn and blood running down one shoulder, screaming in the background, phaser blasts zooming past his ears saying "No, no, everything is fine. DON'T BRING ANY WEAPONS WHEN YOU BEAM DOWN!" and she says "Captain - I sense he may not be telling us the whole truth".

Andrew L has not mentioned his great expertness in this area, for some reason. I know about it because I very briefly worked under him on a Star Trek magazine!

Martin Skidmore, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Nope, the theme tune is definetely great. Sort of like all those brilliant power ballads that were number one in the 1980's. Anyway, the new captain is about to probe a planet...

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Another new euphemism! But you're still insane, Jel.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw an episode of Enterprise that featured a lacrosse game on a desert planet played in slow motion. I felt like I was watching an extended Abercrombie and Fitch ad.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I hated TNG - data,wesley and riker's beardless phases espesh. voyager had that one cool story about that temporal ship, DS9 was mostly good - playing up the existence of factions within cultures/races - the plot arc better than that on the later Babylon5.

Enterprise - trip is annoying but that vulcan's fit.

s.r.w. (s.r.w.), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

today is actually the first time I got around to watching a full episode of enterprise and its not bad in a back-to-basics way but please drop the theme tune please (I didn't watch any becuz I was in canada and I ddin't watch any telly for 3 months apart from world cup).

first series: like what i haf seen but haven't watched many episodes.

Next generation: only reached goodeness after the Borg came in the picture.

Deep space nine: deeply flawed (a space station in the middle of nowhere and they had to make a war to make it interesting so it had problems just like next generation) though I did watch most of it.

Voyager: the absolute fucking classic. They are stranded and haf to go back but they explore the other side of the quadrant which means all sorts of storylines, (this aspect is exploited to the full) and if that isn't enough then here are the words that settle this argument.

SEVEN OF NINE.

The woman of my dreams (Troi is an ugly witch compared to my seven). She's like Data (both trying to gain 'humanity') but she's a woman. And what a woman. Then the doctor who i think is rilly rilly funny too.

I was pissed off that my brother missed taping two episodes and I made him aware of that to say the least(only six were taped, I had to spend all night watching them on the day i got back from canada and it was time well spent though seven is breaking my heart trying to 'get' chakotay).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

The original series had those cool mini-skirt uniforms, beehive hair styles, & Klingons as thinly disguised Cold war-era Russians. What's not to like?

(Fun fact: The student services building at my school is called the William Shatner building & even has the Shatner Ballroom. Classic!)

Miss Laura, Thursday, 22 August 2002 08:17 (seventeen years ago) link

students, what will they think of next? the little rascals.

angela, Thursday, 22 August 2002 08:49 (seventeen years ago) link

julio: "why you little **** you forgot to tape two episodes"

julio's brother: "quit yer whining improv-boy, i taped seven of nine" (or it may be "13 of 15 etc etc")


DO YOU SEE!!?

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 22 August 2002 10:03 (seventeen years ago) link

i never really got into star trek, but archer is best. because he's scott bakula. and scott bakula is yum.

g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 22 August 2002 10:22 (seventeen years ago) link

''julio's brother: "quit yer whining improv-boy, i taped seven of nine"''

heh. Alex (my brother's name) would never say 'improv' as he doesn't know what that is. or wants to know.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 22 August 2002 10:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Has anyone yet mentioned the "Even Star Trek films good, odd Star Trek films pants" theory?

Good: Wrath Of Khan, The Voyage Home (time travel, whales), The Undiscovered Country (Peace with the Klingons), First Contact (The Borg hit Earth), hopefully Nemesis

Bad: Star Trek: the Motionless Picture, The Search For Spock, The Final Frontier (Crazy Vulcan searches for God), Generations (Malcom MacDowell froths, Kirk dies), Insurrections (not that terrible, just a double length TNG episode).

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 22 August 2002 10:51 (seventeen years ago) link

hopefully Nemesis

Having finally seen the trailer, my hopes for the film are now quite high.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:08 (seventeen years ago) link

My sweetie was excited about the new movie, but then he heard Wil Wheaton was goint to be in it and was massively disapointed. It was funny...

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Wil Wheaton was going to be in it

ARGH. Now I'm massively disappointed as well!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link

nah i'm pretty sure Wesley got left on the cutting room floor... there was an Empire article about this but their website is currently down, so can't check. i'm pretty sure tho like i say.

katie (katie), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:43 (seventeen years ago) link


The world, including the acting world, is full of beautiful women. Presumably if you're making a high-profile TV SF show, it's not hard to get some beautiful women to appear in it.

So while I can see the intrinsic appeal of the attractiveness of the women in late STrek progs, I can't see it as a tribute to the imagination, skill and integrity of the programme makers.

the pinefox, Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link

nah i'm pretty sure Wesley got left on the cutting room floor...

There is hope left in this sad world.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link

SPOILER ALERT!!

Riker and Troi get married in the new movie...

Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link

So I heard. About damn time!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:54 (seventeen years ago) link

It'll be pointless without Wil Wheaton. Hehe!

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 22 August 2002 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
Well, all I have to say is that due to some oddball local film fest thing at a theater near here every Wednesday night for summer, they're showing a mixed bag of modern classics and cultish films and all, and tonight was one of the three or four Trek films they're doing, and it was Wrath of Khan, the only one which I never actually saw in the theater on first release. Went with my coworker and Shatner obsessive Tom as well as a slew of friends in the area, lousy print, had a great time anyway.

And of course:

http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~pg02/khan.png

"KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNN!!!!!!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 August 2004 05:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Sweet! Trek thread revived! I'll be a crass Trekkie and say that my favorite film remains First Contact even though it ruined the Borg forever.

http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~lthomas/nerd.jpg

Jimmy Carter, History's Greatest Monster (Leee), Thursday, 5 August 2004 05:16 (fifteen years ago) link

I'll admit to STILL never having seen a whole episode of Enterprise. Am I really missing much?

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 5 August 2004 05:24 (fifteen years ago) link

i really like STar Trek The Motion Picture. I think it's very underrated. It looks awesome, the whole feel of the film is kind of spaced out and creepy, it has a sexy bald woman.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 5 August 2004 05:25 (fifteen years ago) link

with a cool name Persis Khambatta.

H (Heruy), Thursday, 5 August 2004 05:39 (fifteen years ago) link

Star Trek is totally classic up through Next Generation and excepting The Voyage Home and that fucked up movie where Kirk & Picard meet and like, totally chill on this desert planet and stuff. I saw it when it first came out; I was ten. It didn't have enough AWESOME BORG ACTION, which is why First Contact was more up my alley. DS9 was kinda cool, but again, I wanted ACTION along with my INTENSE SPACE STATION DRAMA.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Thursday, 5 August 2004 06:04 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh so classic, and timely! I've just been on a binge, watching No. II, III, and IV this week. 'Search For Spock' is perennially underrated; cut out some of the junk on the Genesis planet, and it's a fantastic, if rather dark film. Up next is VI, completing the only 4 films that I ever get the urge to see. I and V are disasters, and I really only fell in love with the original crew. CBC showed them in syndication when it was one of two channels we got, so I've seen most of them, compared with the maybe 20-25 Next Generation episodes that I managed to catch in hotel rooms, etc.`

Between the ages of 11 and 16 or so, I collected some 100+ of the novels, which I'm hoping to pick up out of storage from my parents' house for some between-semesters pulp reading. Because they were all from different authors, they ran the range of being shoot-em-up's, cheesy comedies, psychological thrillers, and really quite provocative sci-fi that just happened to have the Star Trek characters involved.

derrick (derrick), Thursday, 5 August 2004 07:12 (fifteen years ago) link

Classic in small doses.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 5 August 2004 08:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Because they were all from different authors, they ran the range of being shoot-em-up's, cheesy comedies, psychological thrillers, and really quite provocative sci-fi that just happened to have the Star Trek characters involved.

Hm, that actually would be a good way to get in some sharp ideas via a larger superstructure. Wonder if the Star Wars novels have said range. (I am not anxious to find out for myself.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 August 2004 15:03 (fifteen years ago) link

Classic in large doses...anyone want to lend me a few seasons of DS9 dvds?

I remember it getting pretty good near the end, although I only caught episodes here and there.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 5 August 2004 15:06 (fifteen years ago) link

"KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNN!!!!!!"

Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Thursday, 5 August 2004 15:07 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah, i had a bunch of those novels too. threw a whole bunch out a few years ago but hung on to a few which were of markedly superior quality. I even have some based on the animated series whicvh i kept coz i live the covers so much.

H (Heruy), Thursday, 5 August 2004 15:43 (fifteen years ago) link

You live the covers, do you -- regularly chasing technicolor aliens about...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 August 2004 15:45 (fifteen years ago) link

someones got to do it

H (Heruy), Thursday, 5 August 2004 15:58 (fifteen years ago) link

Jordan, the last season of DS9 was notable for the second half (or maybe all of the season) being devoted to a single arc. Unfortunately, the finale tried too hard to tie up all loose ends and is a bit of a dud. DS9 in general, though, is sorely underrated. Easily the darkest series and some tight battles.

re: Trek books, the best one that I've read was called Federation -- great writing, high concept and a TOS/TNG x-over.

Jimmy Carter, History's Greatest Monster (Leee), Thursday, 5 August 2004 19:59 (fifteen years ago) link

This may be of interest.
This man hates Star trek and tells us why.
He then argues with Trekkies. It's quite entertaining.

http://www.btinternet.com/~bbkuk/tbshrine/mainmenu.htm

Bumfluff, Thursday, 5 August 2004 20:27 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh, whoops there isn't a seperate link for that page, that's the main page.
Just click "Star Trek Lunacy" on the left hand panel.

Bumfluff, Thursday, 5 August 2004 20:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Ronan909: haha jean luc picard
SIMONTRIFE: you jean luc picard motherfucker
SIMONTRIFE: i am obsessed with him too ronan
Ronan909: that show is fucking hilarious
Ronan909: its so serious and up its own ass
SIMONTRIFE: have you seen the movie where he cries
Ronan909: imagine redoing the theme tune so they all kind of have to dance
Ronan909: and do stupid actions
SIMONTRIFE: we laughed so fucking hard i tht i was going to die
Ronan909: its so funny
Ronan909: he's extremely funny
Ronan909: so is ryker
SIMONTRIFE: his fake-french nephew has died and hes looking at this photo album in his little room
Ronan909: haha
Ronan909: the clothes he wears!
Ronan909: tunics and kind of robin hood style stuff
SIMONTRIFE: thats also the movie where theyre going to hit the planet and data says 'SHIT!!'
SIMONTRIFE: bcz he has the emotion chip
Ronan909: data as every 8 year old kid in blockbusters forever
SIMONTRIFE: i agree totally star trek really is the funniest show ever
Ronan909: the next gen is easily the best
SIMONTRIFE: the whole ship looks like a mid 90s luxury car
Ronan909: people laugh at the old old one but thats passe
SIMONTRIFE: all that beige carpeting
Ronan909: yeah
Ronan909: its like a saab
SIMONTRIFE: yeah the old one has a much 'newer' aesthetic
Ronan909: and the suits are just homo
SIMONTRIFE: haha picard wd totally drive a saab
Ronan909: "make it saab"
Ronan909: he should do a commercial
SIMONTRIFE: hes the jacues lu cont of outer space
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: 'uh, jean luc?' 'call me patrick'
Ronan909: wouldnt it be funny if geordie was like a really strong black character
SIMONTRIFE: jean luc!!!
Ronan909: like obviously
SIMONTRIFE: haha well he is kunte kinte
Ronan909: the dad from fresh prince
SIMONTRIFE: haha
Ronan909: can you imagine that giant body in one of those suits
Ronan909: the mental image has me laughing
SIMONTRIFE: i also like the politically correct storyl;ines
SIMONTRIFE: like when they go to the planet with the deaf president and everyone has to be very sensitive to the deaf guy
Ronan909: they're better than the stupid "crises" anyway
Ronan909: like "we're all going to die" followed by
SIMONTRIFE: and theyre always getting trapped in big clouds
Ronan909: "captain if i reroute the central engine then theres a one percent chance we can live"
Ronan909: "MAKE IT SO"
SIMONTRIFE: at least on the old star trek they actually went to planets and had monsters and stuff
Ronan909: "thank god we got lucky"
SIMONTRIFE: next generation is just cloud after cloud
Ronan909: haha
Ronan909: "of all the clouds this one is the most enigmatic ryker
SIMONTRIFE: did you ever see the early one where they all get drunk and data fucks the blonde girl
Ronan909: have you ever read camus?"
Ronan909: yeah
Ronan909: "i am fully functional"
SIMONTRIFE: she asks him if hes... FULLY functional, and he spouts these meaningless robot statistics
SIMONTRIFE: hahaha
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: and did you see the movie where he fucks the borg queen!!!
Ronan909: the uncut version had him charming picard
Ronan909: yeah
SIMONTRIFE: i like data alot, hes a very funny actor
SIMONTRIFE: hes the crazy scientist in independence day
Ronan909: yes
SIMONTRIFE: haha
Ronan909: its a hard part to play
Ronan909: incredibly hard
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: pre-'fuck it, what do you look like' thread
SIMONTRIFE: WORF!!!
Ronan909: ACH-NACH-SHMACH
SIMONTRIFE: remember how he always talked abt klingon sex
Ronan909: they really made klingon seem basic and primitive
SIMONTRIFE: 'a... HUMAN woman could not...withstand it.'
Ronan909: hahah
Ronan909: he was basically taunting ryker
SIMONTRIFE: haha they could never decide if they were space-russians or space-africans
SIMONTRIFE: haha ryker is a tool
Ronan909: yeah totally
Ronan909: po faced twa
Ronan909: t
Ronan909: he was kind of racist in it
Ronan909: always ready to kill some romulans
SIMONTRIFE: like when hes piloting that shuttle and ryker goes 'tough little ship' and worf goes 'LITTLE??'
Ronan909: speaking of which the romulans were fucking hilarious!
Ronan909: the haircuts!
SIMONTRIFE: ryker was totally a racist
SIMONTRIFE: haha 'bad vulcans'
Ronan909: and the big shoulder pads
SIMONTRIFE: 'vulcans, but bad'
Ronan909: we envy you humans and your "fashion sense"
Ronan909: it is unmissable
Ronan909: i watch it daily
SIMONTRIFE: they borrowed their shoulder pads from vivian banks
Ronan909: haha
Ronan909: finally a concrete connection
SIMONTRIFE: i havent had tv in like three or four years but i remember them all
Ronan909: the irish guy is so funny too
Ronan909: colm meaney
SIMONTRIFE: i remember the movies better
Ronan909: chief o brien
SIMONTRIFE: yeah the irish guy!!! hes in a lot of movies
Ronan909: one of my friends gets called chief cos he looks like him
SIMONTRIFE: hes the jet pilot who dies in die hard 2, when the plane full of british ppl crashes
Ronan909: have you ever seen "the snapper"
SIMONTRIFE: i love how the terrorists kill the brits as a 'warning'
Ronan909: he plays an Irish dad in it
Ronan909: whose daughter gets pregnant at 16
SIMONTRIFE: 'next time itll be some REAL people!'
Ronan909: its so fucking funny
SIMONTRIFE: haha does he get mad and yell
Ronan909: he has slippers and dodgy cardigans etc
Ronan909: yeah
SIMONTRIFE: pregnant by worf
Ronan909: his wife goes but what about the neighbours
SIMONTRIFE: 'there is... biting.'
Ronan909: and he flings a cup of tea and goes
Ronan909: "AH FUCK THE NEIGHBOURS"
Ronan909: in a really funny irish accent
SIMONTRIFE: in retrospect his klingon sex doesnt sound very hardcore at all
Ronan909: no some girls make it seem tame
Ronan909: "there is slobbering and awful masturbation technique"
Ronan909: haha
Ronan909:
SIMONTRIFE: haha
SIMONTRIFE: calum is like ryker
Ronan909: "there is.......grabbing of pubic hair by mistake"
SIMONTRIFE: haha
Ronan909: ryker thinks life begins and ends with white men
SIMONTRIFE: 'sometimes...the condom gets stuck in your pubes, and you have to stop for a moment... it is very stressful'
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: ryker is totally aryan nation
Ronan909: "a condom has not been found for klingons yet"
SIMONTRIFE: hes sucha prick!
Ronan909: "we use ferengi ear lobes"
SIMONTRIFE: its ridged for her pleasure
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: haha ferengi
Ronan909: FERENGI
SIMONTRIFE: space-jews
SIMONTRIFE: they were the bad space-jews, vulcans were the good space-jews
SIMONTRIFE: vulcans have thousands of years of culture and arts and are very solemn and wise
SIMONTRIFE: the ferengi control all the money and will screw you over for it
Ronan909: they love business deals
SIMONTRIFE: yeah, they worship gold
SIMONTRIFE: we havent even touched on THE HOLODECK
SIMONTRIFE: ryker was always like reenacting the civil war on it
Ronan909: redneck
SIMONTRIFE: and picard did that hilarious film noir detective thing!! what a goober
Ronan909: REG BARCLAY
SIMONTRIFE: honestly, is he like ten??
Ronan909: AKA *******
SIMONTRIFE: hahahaha
SIMONTRIFE: thirty-eight year old virgin
SIMONTRIFE: he was put in so fans could have a relateable character
SIMONTRIFE: 'number one, get me number thirty-eight year old virgin'
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: haha its all coming back now
Ronan909: deanna LOVES nerds
Ronan909: we're all not losers!
SIMONTRIFE: 'tea, earl grey, HOT'
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: she was kind of a bullshit psychic
Ronan909: yeah
Ronan909: she just sounded constantly moany
Ronan909: from hearing everyones pain
SIMONTRIFE: yeah
Ronan909: or else like she was having an orgasm
Ronan909: "captain, the cloud is leaving us"
SIMONTRIFE: her most-used word was 'ohh'
SIMONTRIFE: haha exactly
SIMONTRIFE: 'the cloud has father issues'
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: i swear to fucking god i think that was an actual plot
SIMONTRIFE: cloud with father issues
Ronan909: "the cloud is mating with that supernova, we're witnessing the birth of something we know nothing about"
SIMONTRIFE: hahaha
Ronan909: picard (rubbing lotion on head sternly) "deanna have you ever read camus"
SIMONTRIFE: they were such pussies!!
Ronan909: haha yeah
Ronan909: its so po faced
SIMONTRIFE: the old one really was so much more hardcore
SIMONTRIFE: like, they got in fights and shit!!
Ronan909: seriously imagine how piss yourself funny it would be if you had the theme music
Ronan909: and them all dancing to it
Ronan909: as the intro
SIMONTRIFE: haha
SIMONTRIFE: i want to dj with the theme music
Ronan909: like mock actions
Ronan909: at every change in note
SIMONTRIFE: haha ok ronan
Ronan909: you have a shot of picard pointing angrily
Ronan909: or ryker frowning
Ronan909: you know that old 80s tv show style
SIMONTRIFE: the intro is pretty gay too... the planets
Ronan909: yeah
SIMONTRIFE: haha
Ronan909: and the ship, it DISAPPEARS
Ronan909: whoosh
SIMONTRIFE: WARP SPEED
Ronan909: MAKE IT SO
Ronan909: he should have said
Ronan909: make it go
Ronan909: or make it clap
SIMONTRIFE: hahah
Ronan909: they were all into such shit stuff aswell
Ronan909: on the holodeck
SIMONTRIFE: make it SO (clap clap clap clap clap clap clap)
SIMONTRIFE: yeah i know
Ronan909: "i've recreated a 1924 jazz club with no one in it"
SIMONTRIFE: youd think culture had just stopped
Ronan909: "i feel this is the best use of being able to simulate any event ever"
Ronan909: the holodeck, man i'd love one of those
SIMONTRIFE: they all listened to classical music and liked prancing around in medieval forests
Ronan909: ecstacy, early 90s grade
Ronan909: warehouse, scuzzy
Ronan909: music, loud, rave
SIMONTRIFE: haha speaking of ryker being a dick to worf you know in the movie when theyre on the ship
SIMONTRIFE: like, some stupid old british navy boat
Ronan909: yeah
Ronan909: as per usual
Ronan909: fucking anglophiles
SIMONTRIFE: and he makes worfs plank disappear and he falls in
Ronan909: yeah
Ronan909: idiot
SIMONTRIFE: and then data pushes a bunch of ppl in the water but nobody laughs!!!
Ronan909: and ryker is all "i can take a joke"

Ronan909: data's is funnier
SIMONTRIFE: i mean it was a lot funnier than when fucking ryker did it
SIMONTRIFE: yeah
SIMONTRIFE: so data like goes back to his room to cry
Ronan909: cos if someone did it to ryker he'd not be smiling in that fucking smug way
SIMONTRIFE: only he cant bcz he doesnt have the emotion chip
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: i really wd probably beat the shit out of him
Ronan909: he was in north and south too
SIMONTRIFE: THIS ONES FOR WORF
Ronan909: imagine the entire crew dancing to get low
SIMONTRIFE: 'number one'
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: haha
SIMONTRIFE: i can imagine like data doingthe running man
SIMONTRIFE: stop being so fucking SERIOUS
SIMONTRIFE: why is no one gay in the future
Ronan909: yeah
Ronan909: they have replicated the problem away thanks to ryker
SIMONTRIFE: the closest to gay wd be like ryker wd fall in love with some woman who turns out to be a shapeshifter
Ronan909: haha
Ronan909: that would be hilarious
SIMONTRIFE: she shouldve turned into molten lava while rykers dick was in her
Ronan909: he's about to fuck her and then its like
SIMONTRIFE: dude that was an episode
SIMONTRIFE: except the lava
Ronan909: "ambassador tomalahawk, you ROMULAN SCUM"
SIMONTRIFE: her real form was this furry rat thing
Ronan909: "I was working undercover picard, i knew it was ambassador tomahawk"
SIMONTRIFE: haha
SIMONTRIFE: everyones a racist in the future
Ronan909: remember his son appeared or something
Ronan909: and it was a bug
SIMONTRIFE: i love the movie with kirk and the klingons
Ronan909: yeah
SIMONTRIFE: thats seriously my favorite movie of all time
Ronan909: kirk at least tried to sleep with women
SIMONTRIFE: its even better than wrath of khan
Ronan909: they made them assexual in the next gen cos they were so embarassed
SIMONTRIFE: kirk is fucking rugged
Ronan909: do you mean the one where kirk and co get framed
SIMONTRIFE: even when he was old he still was a pimp
SIMONTRIFE: yeah and sent to the ice planet!!
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: kirk actually fucks a shapeshifter in that too
Ronan909: yeah
Ronan909: shapeshifters are the modern day tranny
SIMONTRIFE: and bones is like rolling his eyes
SIMONTRIFE: 'here he goes again'
SIMONTRIFE: that movie is awesome
Ronan909: bones is kind of sexually dead
Ronan909: and just dead in every sense
SIMONTRIFE: it has the skank from sex in the city as spocks little vulcan girl
SIMONTRIFE: she overenunciates everything
SIMONTRIFE: well he is dead now
SIMONTRIFE: the actor
SIMONTRIFE: theres an old episode where he fucks a shapeshifter too
SIMONTRIFE: it turns out to be a monster that eats salt and has a vagina for a face
SIMONTRIFE: a vagina with teeth!
Ronan909: haha
Ronan909: the old ones are all about weirdo mind control
Ronan909: and kind of eerie character warping
Ronan909: the new ones are like BIG MORAL ISSUES
SIMONTRIFE: kirk would make a good rapper
Ronan909: NO JOKES
SIMONTRIFE: i bet he refuses to go down on girls
SIMONTRIFE: bcz hes james t fucking kirk
Ronan909: warf would be a good rapper
Ronan909: it involves BITING
SIMONTRIFE: haha and in the klingon movie you learn at the klingon trial his middle name is TIBERIUS
SIMONTRIFE: 'i like earth bitches'
Ronan909: eastside boys featuring james tiberius kirk
SIMONTRIFE: lil kirk
Ronan909: "I Fuck All Races"
SIMONTRIFE: remember worfs son!!!
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: he was such a little shit
Ronan909: and his brother or cousin or whoever
Ronan909: who kept calling him a pussy for wearing his fancy earthman sash
Ronan909: in fairness they were right, that ship was full of twats
SIMONTRIFE: haha
Ronan909: "perhaps i like twee anglophilia brother"
SIMONTRIFE: yeah remember like when worf goes back to the klingon home planet and theyre like 'wtf'
Ronan909: "but WESLEY CRUSHER, HE IS WHAT WE CALL A FOOL"
SIMONTRIFE: all the klingons cant believe hes hanging out with these total losers
Ronan909: haha
Ronan909: ilxors as next generation
SIMONTRIFE: q was asexual though
Ronan909: so he said
Ronan909: he was actually quite cool
SIMONTRIFE: calum is like on the old star trek when theyd meet some god and he wd fuck with them but then in the end he'd just be a big baby
Ronan909: sense of humour
SIMONTRIFE: yeah anyone who makes picard so mad!!
SIMONTRIFE: 'STOP IT Q'
Ronan909: hahaha
SIMONTRIFE: i guess he is calumn
Ronan909: "Q I FEEL GREAT ANGER TOWARDS YOU"
SIMONTRIFE: 'Q I THINK WE SHOULD TALK THIS OVER'
Ronan909: "Q I AM FURIOUS, HAVE YOU EVER READ SARTRES"
SIMONTRIFE: kirk wouldve just kicked him in the teeth
SIMONTRIFE: he wouldve done that sideways kirk kicking thing where he lands on his ass
Ronan909: "q theres a line on jay z's the blueprint, it reads simply 'i will not lose ever FUCKER'"
SIMONTRIFE: the borg movie has a lot of hilarious stuff with picard talking abt herman melville
Ronan909: yeah haha
SIMONTRIFE: i guess literature just stopped!
Ronan909: he always shitted on about obvious contemporary literature
Ronan909: or culture
SIMONTRIFE: in the future nobody writes anything but self-help books
SIMONTRIFE: yeah i know
SIMONTRIFE: listening to bach
SIMONTRIFE: white supremicist
Ronan909: "in normandy, when they're bedding the horses, they are always sure to say why not my beautiful vicar"
SIMONTRIFE: hahaha
Ronan909: he is like captain MCDEPTH
SIMONTRIFE: remember when he gets trapped in the elevator and he sings frere jacques to the kids!!
Ronan909: i was just thinking of that
SIMONTRIFE: he wasnt even fucking french
SIMONTRIFE: he has a british accent!!
SIMONTRIFE: remember his vineyard
Ronan909: yeah
Ronan909: and geordie was so bored he was visiting his old boss
SIMONTRIFE: haha sometimes they wd drink wine on the enterprise
Ronan909: and play cards
SIMONTRIFE: theyre such 80s yuppies
Ronan909: ryker the jazz fan
Ronan909: GUINAN
SIMONTRIFE: they would have like those 80s cd players that are really huge
SIMONTRIFE: hahaha
SIMONTRIFE: 'captain i am detecting the prescence of whoopi goldberg in a stupid hat'
SIMONTRIFE: she looked like a fucking chess piece
Ronan909: picards voice is so funny
Ronan909: hahaha
SIMONTRIFE: they could play three dimensional chess with her!!
Ronan909: you know when he goes all slow and kind of contemplative
SIMONTRIFE: god they were always playing chess too
Ronan909: yeah
Ronan909: they played 3d chess in deep space nine
SIMONTRIFE: its funny to imagine teh rest of culture continued on without them but on the enterprise they just wanted everything to be old and european bcz they were white supremicists
SIMONTRIFE: like, everybody else in the galaxy is listening to get low 2450
SIMONTRIFE: theyre like a bunch of renaissance faire nerds
SIMONTRIFE: its a show abt a bunch of nerds who fly around in a spaceship
SIMONTRIFE: a bunch of rich white yuppie nerds
Ronan909: yeah
Ronan909: they just lamely stun them on that one
Ronan909: did they ever kill anyone
Ronan909: in the entire thing
SIMONTRIFE: maybe they like shot a cloud and then it gave birth
SIMONTRIFE: 'we're witnessing something very beautiful here...'
SIMONTRIFE: picard was like a shitty professor
SIMONTRIFE: he was always making the crew gather round to look at stuff they didnt care about
Ronan909: haha
Ronan909: "have some malt whiskey lieutenant"
SIMONTRIFE: 'yemtemenos 8.... we finally made it'
Ronan909: hahaha
Ronan909: they were all rapt with interest though
SIMONTRIFE: haha they drank stupid yuppie wine
Ronan909: "captain i intend to take some rock samples for my studies"

SIMONTRIFE: they replicator was just one of the cardboard boxes of wine they sell at teh grocery store
SIMONTRIFE: they just put a piece of black plastic on it
Ronan909: "you do that lieutenant, WAIT, a cloud???? IN THIS GALAXY?"
SIMONTRIFE: i imagine them just going from cloud to cloud
SIMONTRIFE: uss retard
Ronan909: "cloud 9, i've heard of this one"

SIMONTRIFE: wtf was there mission anyway
SIMONTRIFE: haha
Ronan909: "to eliminate clouds"
Ronan909: and take rock samples
SIMONTRIFE: 'hey... you...get offa my...'
SIMONTRIFE: to learn lessons from clouds
Ronan909: they just gave them a fake mission and threw wes crusher on board
SIMONTRIFE: to make the holodeck malfunction and almost kill everyone
SIMONTRIFE: haha
Ronan909: to get rid of them all
SIMONTRIFE: it was secretly a reality show
Ronan909: cos they were the worst bunch of bores ever
Ronan909: they kept making faces when kirk or other federation cronies got lecherous or drunk or sexist.
SIMONTRIFE: 'what happens... when nine crew members stop being real... and start getting polite'
SIMONTRIFE: haha i know
SIMONTRIFE: they were like
Ronan909: you can see thats true cos they hate all the old federation guys
Ronan909: RAJON 5
Ronan909: what was with the dumb names of planets too
Ronan909: they sounded like washing up powders
Ronan909: LUSTRE 7
SIMONTRIFE: hard-on 12
Ronan909: haha
Ronan909: BALDHEAD 1
Ronan909: captains log, supplemental
SIMONTRIFE: STRONGO 14
Ronan909: after rendez vousing with the venetian blinds on GETLOW 7
SIMONTRIFE: his captains logs were fucking useless too
SIMONTRIFE: always making shit jokes in them
Ronan909: we have found a primitive culture known as "fun"
SIMONTRIFE: or being really obscure
Ronan909: yeah
Ronan909: "the clouds have gone, for now, perhaps we were unable to understand them"
Ronan909: and then it got all wonder years
Ronan909: "we didnt realise it and neither did they but that day our crew and the moons of Raijilicus 4 were closer than ever.
SIMONTRIFE: 'i guess you could say we learned something from the rigelians... about ourselves'
SIMONTRIFE: or he would smugly mention another crewmember
Ronan909: this was truly a space miracle"

Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: my first cloud
SIMONTRIFE: captain, dr crushers brother has died on VIETNAM 7
Ronan909: "commander data meanwhile has not mastered the subtle art of bonhomie, but with my guidance, he shall continue to learn"

Ronan909: haha
Ronan909: they probably all sat around laughing at his captains logs
SIMONTRIFE: we sent you through that cloud to collection ion samples!!
SIMONTRIFE: haha
Ronan909: "another cracker from jean luc"
SIMONTRIFE: 'look... hes crying!!'
SIMONTRIFE: god i know i sat around laughing at him
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: i want to see the one where he cries so bad now
Ronan909: there is so much mileage in mocking it though
Ronan909: what was his nephew called
SIMONTRIFE: 'he was.... so.... so... so YOUNG'
Ronan909: lilian
Ronan909: or florent
Ronan909: or something
SIMONTRIFE: he actually says that
Ronan909: lilian-florent
SIMONTRIFE: yeah something gay
SIMONTRIFE: omg dude how cd i forget this!!!
SIMONTRIFE: when he goes inside the ribbon that grants your wishes
Ronan909: hahaha
SIMONTRIFE: and his wish is to have a gay charles dickens christmas with his family!!!
Ronan909: and he's married to a victorian woman
Ronan909: hahahaha
SIMONTRIFE: what a loser
SIMONTRIFE: kirk is like chopping wood and getting back in bed with some green woman
SIMONTRIFE: picards is just little brats going 'pa-PA!'
SIMONTRIFE: 'faaaather...'
Ronan909: haha
Ronan909: it would have been so cool if “relax” played and picard is in some brothel looking aroused and disgusted with himself all at once.
SIMONTRIFE: why is malcolm mcdowel in that
Ronan909: the intro and then picard is like "nooooooooo"
SIMONTRIFE: it really is a travesty
SIMONTRIFE: except when data says shit
Ronan909: THE NEXUS
SIMONTRIFE: hhaha
SIMONTRIFE: the enterprise is THE LEXUS
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: cruise control, faux leather seating
SIMONTRIFE: beige EVERYTHING
SIMONTRIFE: picard was like 'make it beige, number one'
Ronan909: its such a pathetic vision of depth
Ronan909: MAKE IT BEIGE, LIKE A FINE WINE
SIMONTRIFE: 'what color shd the spaceship be??' 'MAKE IT BEIGE'
SIMONTRIFE: like my shriveled old man hea
Ronan909: number one, i think you'll find the seats are plush leather
SIMONTRIFE: uss fleshtone
Ronan909: easy on the rear
Ronan909: uss pofaced
SIMONTRIFE: the old enterprise was cool
SIMONTRIFE: all grey and simple
SIMONTRIFE: the new one had like cup-holders everywhere
Ronan909: the bar in the new one is the worst
SIMONTRIFE: and stupid little ridges
SIMONTRIFE: haha
Ronan909: it looks like the worst yuppie bar ever
Ronan909: MAKE IT BLAND NUMBER ONE
Ronan909: "aye aye sir"
SIMONTRIFE: they were such fucking yuppies
Ronan909: little did they know about warf and datas SEcrEt CrUnK parties in the holodeck
SIMONTRIFE: ;make it crunk'
SIMONTRIFE: worf probably listened to like tribal klingon music
Ronan909: "what in the name of fornicating clouds is going on here warf"

Ronan909: i can imagine warf as an industrial fan
Ronan909: front 242
SIMONTRIFE: 'it is too HARSH... for human ears... no melody... just rhythm'
Ronan909: haha
Ronan909: insane clown posse
SIMONTRIFE: haha
Ronan909: "its......too shit for human ears"

SIMONTRIFE: 'there is a lot of... sucking'
Ronan909: ha
Ronan909: there must be other characters
SIMONTRIFE: yeah we've hit the wall here
Ronan909: i am saving this without doubt
SIMONTRIFE: remember bajorans
SIMONTRIFE: nose ridges
Ronan909: horrible noses
SIMONTRIFE: yeah totally we have to make this into something
SIMONTRIFE: 'tasteful suburban bookstore, 1988'
SIMONTRIFE: 'macintosh computer, flying toasters screensaver'
SIMONTRIFE: 'magazine rack, macworld magazine'
Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: 'packaged biscotti, dry'
Ronan909: music, tepid indie
Ronan909: clothes, amusing v neck sweater
Ronan909: prejudices, multiple
SIMONTRIFE: music, tribal groove
SIMONTRIFE: music, moby, play
Ronan909: worf is like
Ronan909: place, klingon semen basement 2077
SIMONTRIFE: sting, new album
Ronan909: music, BEYOND HOLODECK COMPREHENSION
SIMONTRIFE: haha
Ronan909: sex, full blown, many clowns.
SIMONTRIFE: location, the very mild fetish club
Ronan909: klingon sex is unusual
SIMONTRIFE: sense of transgression from 'biting', third grade level
Ronan909: "it involves...........clowns"

SIMONTRIFE: self-satisfaction, high
SIMONTRIFE: 'klingon sex is... unusual... it doesnt... happen often... because i... live with my parents'
Ronan909: and ryker is like "get that clown back to calgon 7 immediately warf"
SIMONTRIFE: he would just smirk, 'nice little rimjob, worf' 'LITTLE Commander??'
Ronan909: worf got deanna in the end
SIMONTRIFE: in that same one he has to take the defense controls again and ryker goes 'sure you can remember what everything does?'
SIMONTRIFE: what a dick!
Ronan909: he pretended to be sensitive and care about clouds
SIMONTRIFE: haha she can predict his biting
SIMONTRIFE: 'ohhh'
Ronan909: the amount of her talking about other peoples thoughts you'd have to sit through
SIMONTRIFE: 'i sense... horniness... very much...'
SIMONTRIFE: ugh
SIMONTRIFE: worf had space-aids
SIMONTRIFE: didnt they have an aids episode?
Ronan909: did they
Ronan909: ryker disgusted by it
Ronan909: "FIRE PHOTON TORPEDOS, LETS KILL THIS VIRUS AND EVERYONE SUFFERING FROM IT"

SIMONTRIFE: thats a little too edgy
SIMONTRIFE: 'fucking faggots'
SIMONTRIFE: ryker was disgusted all the time
SIMONTRIFE: hes like a slaveowner
SIMONTRIFE: he was always either mocking someone lower than him or just grimacing in disgust
SIMONTRIFE: that dumb-ass smirk
Ronan909: yeah
Ronan909: and the beard
Ronan909: enson, clean my quarters
Ronan909: "and dont forget the underwear, hmph-haha"

SIMONTRIFE: he grew the beard to look manly

Ronan909: haha
SIMONTRIFE: brb!
Ronan909: no wonder wes had parted hair
SIMONTRIFE: i have to go!
SIMONTRIFE: its been fun
Ronan909: ok me too really
Ronan909: yes!
SIMONTRIFE: we will pick this up again
Ronan909: definitely.
SIMONTRIFE: more infantile star trek sex jokes
Ronan909: "have you ever read camus"
SIMONTRIFE: the final acceptance we are never getting laid again
Ronan909: haha
Ronan909: "theres a line on a beermat i read will"
SIMONTRIFE: making two hours worth of star trek sex jokes
Ronan909: its prob even worse than liking star trek
Ronan909: non ironically
SIMONTRIFE: yeah at least you can get star trek fangirls
SIMONTRIFE: like um
SIMONTRIFE: later ronan!!
Ronan909: see you!

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 5 August 2004 20:50 (fifteen years ago) link

ROFFLE

Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Thursday, 5 August 2004 20:57 (fifteen years ago) link

I truly am in awe.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 August 2004 21:03 (fifteen years ago) link

oh. my. god. i was coming here to try to trump shit with my story about the russian guy i met at a party who was dressed like wesley crusher in a thong, but there's no way. fuck man. ronan, you're the john de lancie to my wil wheaton.

x j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Thursday, 5 August 2004 21:09 (fifteen years ago) link

I was going to link my blogged meditation on Khan -- and well, I've done it anyway -- but it is as nothing in comparison.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 August 2004 21:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Although thinking of Wil Wheaton, I can't get over the fact that he and I and Nathan Lane all have something in common...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 August 2004 21:11 (fifteen years ago) link

the closest to gay wd be like ryker wd fall in love with some woman who turns out to be a shapeshifter

Ryker in fact falls in love with a person from a gender-neutral species.

worf probably listened to like tribal klingon music

He actually listens to Klingon opera.

Jimmy Carter, History's Greatest Monster (Leee), Thursday, 5 August 2004 21:15 (fifteen years ago) link

Haha... that's because he's a black signifier, and black people can like white snob culture too!

x j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Thursday, 5 August 2004 21:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Ryker in fact falls in love with a person from a gender-neutral species.

BEST PC EPISODE EVER

Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Thursday, 5 August 2004 21:39 (fifteen years ago) link

but BEST EPISODE EVER would have included the extended gory and grisly deaths of Ryker and Troi

H (Heruy), Thursday, 5 August 2004 23:58 (fifteen years ago) link

I used to play Star Fleet Battles!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 6 August 2004 00:05 (fifteen years ago) link

Ronan & Ethan made my night.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 August 2004 00:54 (fifteen years ago) link

that is seriously the greatest ilx post ever and i feel like a nerd for understanding EVERY FUCKING WORD OF IT.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 6 August 2004 05:24 (fifteen years ago) link

"make it saab" OTM

JD, yeah, me too... fuck.

derrick (derrick), Friday, 6 August 2004 06:28 (fifteen years ago) link

every morning when i wake up i thank god i'm no longer 13.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 6 August 2004 06:56 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm scared by how much of that conversation I understood as well. But even more scared by the special little Star Trek voice in the back of my head that goes 'actually, it didn't happen like that. In fact what happened was...'

God, I am such a nerd.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 6 August 2004 06:59 (fifteen years ago) link

five months pass...
Call me a geek, but Enterprise had been cancelled. Not that I've seen more than about three episodes of it.

Looks like the combined effect of 'The Matrix' and reality TV has finally killed off Star Trek, which was something I used to think was one of those untouchable, uncancellable TV franchises.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Thursday, 3 February 2005 01:47 (fourteen years ago) link

None of you are real geeks. Listen: I.. played.. Star Fleet Battles.

This means that I not only believe in an alternate timeline for the original series, but that I also played a tactical simulator based on that timeline using counters and hexagons...

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 February 2005 06:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Ronan and Ethan for president!

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 3 February 2005 06:12 (fourteen years ago) link

Still one of the greatest ILX posts ever.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 February 2005 06:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Reading through this thread: I love the way Mark S uses the phrase "conceptual device in print" to describe ... a character in slashfic stories.

caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:21 (fourteen years ago) link

I was thinking the same thing, caitlin!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 February 2005 14:19 (fourteen years ago) link

>Trying to advance the human race through space diplomacy... until they kill all the people [aliens] at the end of the episode/movie.<

But that's The American Way! Even the earliest books on the first series point out the show is about America in the '60s, esp foreign policy. Kirk = LBJ + JFK's libido...

I was a Trekkie on the original's reruns between ages 10 and 14, including NY conventions (circa '76) where the cast attended, including Shatner and Nimoy. Saw maybe 3 episodes of TNG, did zip for me.

Wrath of Khan's Burger King uniforms: awsum!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 February 2005 14:48 (fourteen years ago) link

I too am so ashamed that I know exactly what they are talking about. And I also like how Ronan digresses to discuss Colm Meaney beyond Star Trek. My brother and I used to buy ST: TNG magazine at Jewel all the time, and discuss the stats of our favorite characters. That's embarrassing.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 3 February 2005 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link

I played Star Fleet Battles too! WOO! tedious stuff, eh?

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 3 February 2005 16:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Ronan and Ethan should def. have some sort of Siskel and Ebert type show.

Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Thursday, 3 February 2005 16:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes, co-op tv blog please.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 3 February 2005 17:06 (fourteen years ago) link

That would be beautiful. Kudos for a fine Nicole idea!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 February 2005 17:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Alan, the PC game Star Fleet Command is based entirely on Star Fleet Battles. It's no longer tedious!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 February 2005 17:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Looks like the combined effect of 'The Matrix' and reality TV has finally killed off Star Trek, which was something I used to think was one of those untouchable, uncancellable TV franchises.

The biggest problem was that Enterprise was never really Star Trek. Yeah, they reference some of the same things, but to do the prequel they really had to make it more like cowboys in space, which doesn't really touch what I found most attractive about Star Trek. I think they did it to themselves, really, and unfortunately once they came up with the idea that it was a "prequel", there's only so far they could go towards making it more like the other Star Treks we knew and loved, without confusing the timeline, so to speak.

I hope they come up with another Trek series along the lines of Deep Space Nine. Or maybe they could do it as a sitcom: the kinda-dumb Data prototype (from the end of the last movie) stumbles through the future! Laughs ensue!

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 3 February 2005 23:26 (fourteen years ago) link

I think it could have been good, but they should have made it like it was filmed in the 1950s.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 February 2005 23:39 (fourteen years ago) link

this hanle y post is so great, it needs to be re-posted!

Counsellor Trios ass and tits were ok, but that nose ruined all. Still I bet Riker would often chuckle with Warf about how if she had a abg over her head he'd do her, and then Warf would probaby say "Yeah, and her fore head isnt bumpy enough". There was an episode when the crew was all morphin ginto prehistoric froms of themselves and Warf came on to Trio by saying "GET OUT OF THAT BATH! " and biting her. Not very romantic, those Vulcans.
-- Mike Hanley (pennyson...), July 24th, 2001.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:24 (fourteen years ago) link

"SIMONTRIFE: we havent even touched on THE HOLODECK
SIMONTRIFE: ryker was always like reenacting the civil war on it
Ronan909: redneck
SIMONTRIFE: and picard did that hilarious film noir detective thing!! what a goober
Ronan909: REG BARCLAY
SIMONTRIFE: honestly, is he like ten??
Ronan909: AKA *******
SIMONTRIFE: hahahaha
SIMONTRIFE: thirty-eight year old virgin
SIMONTRIFE: he was put in so fans could have a relateable character
SIMONTRIFE: 'number one, get me number thirty-eight year old virgin'"

so classic

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Thread is classic. Enterprise was fucking reactionary:

This article summed up a lot of my feelings pretty early on:
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020325&s=minkowitz

Pete Scholtes, Friday, 4 February 2005 03:40 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...
holy crap this thread

jean luc picard motherfucker (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 18 February 2006 23:28 (thirteen years ago) link

trife otm

mike h. (mike h.), Sunday, 19 February 2006 02:27 (thirteen years ago) link

MAKE IT BEIGE

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 19 February 2006 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link

two months pass...
"q theres a line on jay z's the blueprint, it reads simply 'i will not lose ever FUCKER'"

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 20 April 2006 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link

the best show

-+-+-++++, Thursday, 20 April 2006 23:46 (thirteen years ago) link

three months pass...
bbc 2 currently showing TOS series 1 and TNG Series 1 on saturday afternoons, some of which i've only seen once, 10 or 15 years ago ("Bonk, Bonk On The Head)". how did they ever think the first episode of TNG was in any way a good episode to show first? and the bridge just looks so empty, especially when looking towards the view screen.

also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBXal1GAA4A&NR

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Friday, 4 August 2006 13:04 (thirteen years ago) link

I love being reminded of that Ronan/Ethan exchange.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 August 2006 13:26 (thirteen years ago) link

I was thinking about it yesterday while watching the early episode with Worf's babymama (complete with STERN KLINGON PANTSUIT).

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 4 August 2006 13:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Star Trek's ok, I can wtch it happily enough, but there's lots of vastly superior SF out there, mostly in written form. I like the characters and slightly psychadelic feel in the sixties series.

chap who would dare to start Raaatpackin (chap), Friday, 4 August 2006 13:37 (thirteen years ago) link

the original is one of the greatest television shows of all time and now it has been diluted to a bad punchline by greedy cash-ins. fuck paramount.

this = most otm thing ever.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 6 August 2006 06:09 (thirteen years ago) link

i did enjoy most of the spinoffs but Enterprise was a bridge (ha ha) too far.

there was a time when 3 different series were being shown at 6pm on bbc2 every week, tue, wed and thu. hard to imagine now.

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Monday, 7 August 2006 08:20 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Original series premiered 40 years ago today. Live long enough and get rich!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5326738.stm


I wonder what Sulu and Chekov are singing in that pic.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 September 2006 14:03 (thirteen years ago) link

live music by a Klingon band

Though I admit the language would be good for black metal.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 September 2006 14:11 (thirteen years ago) link

its called star track get 1 brian morans

and PappaWheelie, author of Have You Ever Been Poxy Fuled? (PappaWheelie 2), Sunday, 10 September 2006 02:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Have we talked about this yet?

"Hollywood, Calif. -- STAR TREK is getting a 21st century makeover. CBS Paramount Domestic Television is releasing digitally remastered episodes of the iconic 1960s sci-fi series, with all new special effects and music, to celebrate the groundbreaking series' 40th anniversary, it was announced today by John Nogawski, president of CBS Paramount Domestic Television.

The new episodes also mark the first time in 16 years that the original STAR TREK series can be seen in broadcast syndication. The episodes will begin airing on the more than 200 stations that own the rights to the weekend broadcast syndication window starting Sept. 16 (check local listings for station and dates). All 79 episodes of the original STAR TREK series will eventually be remastered, with the first batch of episodes chosen from a list of STAR TREK fans' favorite shows.

STAR TREK redefined science-fiction and constantly pushed the envelope with concepts that were ahead of their time," Nogawski said. "By giving the series a digital upgrade using the best technology available today, it will continue to be a leader in cutting-edge television programming as we introduce the series to a new generation of viewers."

The most noticeable change will be redoing many of the special effects, created with 1960s technology, with 21st century computer-generated imagery (CGI). That includes:

• Space ship exteriors -- The space ship Enterprise, as well as other Starships, will be replaced with state of the art CGI-created ships. The new computer-generated Enterprise is based on the exact measurements of the original model, which now rests in the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, D.C.

• Show opening -- The Enterprise and planets seen in the main title sequence will be redone, giving them depth and dimension for the first time.

• Galaxy shots -- All the graphics of the galaxy, so frequently seen through the window on the Enterprise's bridge, will be redone.

• Exteriors -- The battle scenes, planets and ships from other cultures (notably the Romulan Bird of Prey and Klingon Battle Cruisers) will be updated.

• Background scenes -- Some of the iconic, yet flat, matte paintings used as backdrops for the strange, new worlds explored by the Enterprise crew will get a CGI face-lift, adding atmosphere and lighting.

The refurbished episodes also feature higher quality sound for the famous opening theme. The original score by Emmy Award-winning composer Alexander Courage has been re-recorded in state-of-the-art digital stereo audio with an orchestra and a female singer belting out the famous vocals. A digitally remastered version of William Shatner's classic original recording of the 38-word "Space, the final frontier…" monologue continues to open each episode.

The remastered episodes have been converted from the original film into a High-Definition format, which gives viewers a clearer, crisper, more vibrant picture than before, even when viewed in standard definition. Once stations upgrade and start broadcasting HD signals, the episodes will be all ready for viewers to enjoy in HD."

Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 10 September 2006 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link

No Jar Jar Binks? RIPOFF.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 September 2006 03:04 (thirteen years ago) link

Such a horrible idea. Altering lame sets and cheesy spaceship models - how does that IMPROVE the series? 75% of the Star Trek charm is kitsch. Lose that and you've got The Next Generation plus Shatner overacting.

(though Uhura >>>>> anyone on TNG)

milo z (mlp), Sunday, 10 September 2006 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link

fucking stupid idea

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 10 September 2006 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, it pretty much defeats the whole purpose of TOS, just like those SW Special Editions. /bitter geek

Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 10 September 2006 03:59 (thirteen years ago) link

in principle i'm not against redoing things or "refurbishing" them, but only if it was ever done consistently and evenly. i hate it when all they do is add a bunch of tacky cgi critters then leave all the horrible matte shots intact.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:24 (thirteen years ago) link

so yeah, this is gonna suck. and they better not pulla lucas and take the originals out of circulation.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:26 (thirteen years ago) link

At least they're not gonna try to CGI all the Klingons to make them look like Worf (I hope).

Oh, and the originals aren't going anywhere, thankfully:

The original versions of the episodes will continue to be available on TV Land and G4, and the previously-released DVDs will continue to be available. The new versions will be seen only in broadcast syndication for at least the next year or so, and will air as they're completed. The new versions can't be shown on cable until all the episodes are done, as cable syndication deals are made in "strip" packages (meaning entire runs of episodes - complete seasons or entire series). The original film masters of all the episodes will be preserved.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:33 (thirteen years ago) link

I mean, revisionist Worf-like Klingons would be the FIRST FUCKING THING Lucas would do to it.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:36 (thirteen years ago) link

actually i wouldn't care if they did that (it doesn't affect anything either way), but if they replaced the actors, or added a spock shoots-first sort of revision that would suck. or if they gave the tribbles little beaks or tentacles

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Kirk: Matt Damon
Spock: Ben Affleck
Bones: Philip Seymour Hoffman
Uhura: Rosario Dawson
Chekov: Borat
Sulu: Sonny Chiba
Scotty: Ewan Macgregor (drunk)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:44 (thirteen years ago) link

(Dir. and writer Kevin Smith.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:45 (thirteen years ago) link

Chekov: Borat

!

Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh you KNOW I'm right.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:46 (thirteen years ago) link

No, that's one revision I would wholeheartedly support.

ON MY PLANET THERE IS PROBLEM

Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:48 (thirteen years ago) link

"Dude, fire the fucking photons, c'mon."

"CAPTAIN I HURT HERE."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Special guest star Jason Bateman as Jason Bateman in wacky Arrested Development crossover episode about the intergalactic search for David Cross's sense of humor.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:51 (thirteen years ago) link

"so...the Kilngon is like Jew?"

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:51 (thirteen years ago) link

harry mudd: owen wilson
the tribble salesman guy: luke wilson
squire of gothos: ben stiller
khan: bill murray

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 10 September 2006 08:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Sci-Fi Channel has been showing what they claim to be digitally remastered eps for the last few weeks and they haven't been fucked with as far as I can tell. It just looks like the picture quality's been cleaned up.

Why does my IQ changes? (noodle vague), Sunday, 10 September 2006 09:26 (thirteen years ago) link

four months pass...
I've been watching TNG a lot lately on DVD, having acquired the third and fourth series on DVD. It's deadly stuff.

I am loving how sleazy Ryker is. He manages to make the most everyday lines drip with sordid innuendo.

The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 21 January 2007 13:24 (twelve years ago) link

bet you'd never guess that I was a stone(d)trekkie in the 70s.

lovebug 2.0 (lovebug starski), Sunday, 21 January 2007 14:20 (twelve years ago) link

"Make it Saab"

Here, was any of Enterprise any good? I watched the first one and was turned off by dreadful cheesy theme tune.

stet (stet), Sunday, 21 January 2007 18:12 (twelve years ago) link

The one episode I watched wasn't as good as Quantum Leap.

chap (chap), Sunday, 21 January 2007 18:15 (twelve years ago) link

Is it universally accepted that TNG is the pinnacle of Trek achievement?

The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 21 January 2007 18:28 (twelve years ago) link

The theme tune to Enterprise is brilliant!!!

It's the best next thing to the original!

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 21 January 2007 18:29 (twelve years ago) link

I prefer original Trek, but I'm hardly a hardcore fan so my opinion probablydoesn't count for much (I've seen maybe 20 eps of TNG).

xpost

chap (chap), Sunday, 21 January 2007 18:31 (twelve years ago) link

The best thing about Enterprise is that they explained why the Klingons looked liked humans in the original series! I had often wondered.

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 21 January 2007 18:36 (twelve years ago) link

> Is it universally accepted that TNG is the pinnacle of Trek achievement?

Oh, hell no.

> The theme tune to Enterprise is brilliant!!!

ibid.

Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Sunday, 21 January 2007 18:40 (twelve years ago) link

The best thing about Enterprise is that they explained why the Klingons looked liked humans in the original series! I had often wondered.

please explain?

Ed (dali), Sunday, 21 January 2007 18:43 (twelve years ago) link

Well, the Klingons came up with some disease by accident, and the only cure (created by Dr Phlox) was some sort of genetic enginneering that'd make look more human as a result. It was these kinda human Klingons that Kirk et al. came into contact with in their adventures.

Oh, Wiki explains it better than me!

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:08 (twelve years ago) link

Link!

The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:31 (twelve years ago) link

original series > wrath of khan >>>>>> the other movies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TNG (and everything else even lower)

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:54 (twelve years ago) link

no way are *all* the movies > tng, you r moron!!!

UART variations (ex machina), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:12 (twelve years ago) link

tng headfuck episodes (beverley all alone on enterprise, riker all alone in some crazy delusional state of mind) are best trek ever.

ledge (ledge), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:23 (twelve years ago) link

Deep Space 9 underrated.

fandango (fandango), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:25 (twelve years ago) link

Best Trek Ever = Sisko complicitously and Garak actively (and both fraudulently) recruiting Romulans to fight the Dominion.

xp with fandango, who knows whereof he speaks

Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:26 (twelve years ago) link

beverley all alone on enterprise

possibly my favorite tng episode!!! best part is when its just her and jean luc!

UART variations (ex machina), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:27 (twelve years ago) link

Deep Space 9 underrated.

I think you need to watch it in order from the beginning. About the only thing that could get me to do this is a roomie with a box set

UART variations (ex machina), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:28 (twelve years ago) link

tng headfuck episodes (beverley all alone on enterprise, riker all alone in some crazy delusional state of mind) are best trek ever.

-- ledge (tomdotledge...), January 21st, 2007. (ledge)

also see TIME LOOP episode, EYES IN THE DARK episode, RECREATE FREAKY CHAIR episode

69 (plsmith), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:29 (twelve years ago) link

Set phasers to DIE DIE DIE!! on Star Trek: Voyager (and everything after)

fandango (fandango), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:29 (twelve years ago) link

I tried to write a Trek = Marvel post (Classic has Lee/Kirby charm, early TNG veers between the worst Gary Friedrich and the best Roy Thomas), but bailed out because I never watched after TNG.

do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:33 (twelve years ago) link

There must have been about a million tng time loop episodes!

Just came across this in a, ahem, beverly crusher article on wikipedia:

Sub Rosa - Attends her grandmother's funeral and spends time in her haunted house, falling in love with a ghost.

Ok clearly there was good headfuck and bad headfuck.

ledge (ledge), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:40 (twelve years ago) link

True Q - Befriends and mentors a young girl who is developing omnipotent powers. She is turned into a dog in this episode.

The banality of episode summaries

ledge (ledge), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:41 (twelve years ago) link

If Trek = Marvel does that make Star Wars DC?

Anyway, that means ENTERPRISE = ULTIMATES?

UART variations (ex machina), Monday, 22 January 2007 01:25 (twelve years ago) link

yes and yes

do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Monday, 22 January 2007 01:29 (twelve years ago) link

i kind of love star trek but only through TNG and I didn't bother with the last two movies. what I saw of enterprise was so bad, so was voyager. ds9 seemed alright but i don't want to ahve to watch something all the time and keep track of a story arc and a plot and be all serious when it's STAR TREK, you know.

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 22 January 2007 02:43 (twelve years ago) link

DS9 was consistently good, never really liked the others (but the occasional mindfuck episode was worth watching). Voyager and Enterprise didn't even look good enough to try.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 22 January 2007 02:45 (twelve years ago) link

There aren't even enough nerds out there seeding for me to get to 100% on these Enterprise episodes that are trickling my way. It must be shit.

stet (stet), Monday, 22 January 2007 02:46 (twelve years ago) link

"Shit" is pretty kind, when talking about Enterprise. The Vulcan and the Doctor were ok, the rest of the cast was terrible. The premise was stupid and the scripts were worse.

Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Monday, 22 January 2007 02:52 (twelve years ago) link

I kinda liked the premise of a Star Trek before all the tech shit actually worked, so they couldn't just redirect a tachyon pulse through the flux capacitor (hey, that might just work!) and nobody would trust the transporter. But it didn't turn out like that, it seems.

Oh: Wil Wheaton is blogging his way through TNG episodes.

stet (stet), Monday, 22 January 2007 03:01 (twelve years ago) link

I am glad to see the love for the TNG headfuck episodes. A couple of those ones still give me the creeps just reading these five word summaries.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 January 2007 03:20 (twelve years ago) link

8:15 am. I am posting links on the internet about Klingons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klingon#Change_in_appearance

jel -- (jel), Monday, 22 January 2007 08:17 (twelve years ago) link

Best TNG is the one with jean luc having the shit kicked out of him by a romulan for 45 minutes, "THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS" and all that.

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Monday, 22 January 2007 08:58 (twelve years ago) link

NOT ROMULAN, CARDASSIAN!

Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:22 (twelve years ago) link

i love TNG

feed latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:30 (twelve years ago) link

Ugh, I just met yer real Trekkie at the DVD shop's SUPER CLOSING DOWN SALE. I found Wrath of Khan for £2, and at the till was reading the box of TNG Season 4 when this wee baldy 40-something dude in specs and an anorak sidles up to me.

Lispy, soft pedo-voice: "ooh, the best theason of all, that!"
"The borg ... the borg! And at the thame time, deirdre wath kidnapped. Coronation thtreet [shitty UK soap] fanth were crying about Deirdre and did you thee uth crying about Picard going to the Borg? No!"

Me: "Big crossover between Coronation Street fans and Trekkies then, is there?"

He tharthed on an angry reply then yelped "OH MY GOD! OH. MY. GOD. THAT CAN'T BE! IT IS! OH MY" and started jumping on the spot. At a Knight Rider all-seasons box set.

I was kinda embarrassed to buy Wrath of Khan, then.

stet (stet), Monday, 22 January 2007 18:56 (twelve years ago) link

star trek VI is the best one

^^^controversial but true

say it with blood diamonds (a_p), Monday, 22 January 2007 19:09 (twelve years ago) link

that looks like i'm quoting someone but it's really just me hoping someone expressed that view upthread, i haven't read much of it

say it with blood diamonds (a_p), Monday, 22 January 2007 19:10 (twelve years ago) link

ST VI = first movie i can remember crying at the end of (and all i remember about it is kirk making his big sad "this is the last voyage of the starship enterprise" speech at the end - i barely even remember the plot, apart from it having something to do with making peace with the klingons). i don't know how proud i am of that.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 08:46 (twelve years ago) link

Oh yeh, cardassian, whatever. I haven't seen it for a few years, all the bumpy forehead bad guys merge into one. Ferengui (sp?) were just dwarf Klingons, really. (at least they are in my head)

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 09:02 (twelve years ago) link

what was the one where riker had multiple realities (not the one in a mantal hospital). i dunno maybe there were loads of rikers, something like tyhat

Carl Taylor (688), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 09:55 (twelve years ago) link

Very dud, for the most part. The only episodes that were ever interesting to me were the one's that palyed with the idea that the Federation has to do some seriously dark and nasty shit to keep their bright and cheery utopia going

Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 12:09 (twelve years ago) link

Stone Monkey would love the DS9 episode I cited upthread.

Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 16:42 (twelve years ago) link

Enterprise is so unbelievably bad - they're re-running them from the beginning on Sci-Fi channel and the writing, the casting (excepting the Dr, as noted!), the entire premise and tone is just WRONG WRONG WRONG.

Kirby/Lee = OST is a nice analogy tho, I like that. For me it goes OST>>Wrath of Khan>>Star Trek VI>the better TNG episodes>all the other movies>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything else

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 00:23 (twelve years ago) link

I think that multiple realities one had a whole bunch of Worfs (Worves?), not Rikers.

The Yellow Kid (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 03:07 (twelve years ago) link

Ferengui (sp?) were just dwarf Klingons, really.

I gather they were meant to be 20th century humans.

The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 10:53 (twelve years ago) link

Does anyone else find that when watching TNG they are waiting for Picard to say "But it would be too late - I'd have seen everything"

The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 13:21 (twelve years ago) link

"Ferengui (sp?) were just dwarf Klingons, really."

I've always felt there was this weird Ferengi = Bad space Jews/Vulcans = Good space Jews subtext goin on

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:36 (twelve years ago) link

This thread makes me want to reach for my agonizer.

The Redd And The Blecch (Ken L), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:40 (twelve years ago) link

set phasers to KILL

feed latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:42 (twelve years ago) link

One of the fun bits of undergrad life was seeing Leonard Nimoy brought to ann arbor to speak by Hillel or somesuch about "Spock in the Diaspora". The part about the hefty ticket price wasn't as much fun.

oh neat, here's the campus newspaper bit about it. It happened 10 years ago next week.

kingfish moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:49 (twelve years ago) link

yea i know there was one with loads of worfs, but there was a weirdo one with riker too, maybe there werent loads of rikers, but he kept reappearing in weird placees, i cant rememebr

Storefront Church (688), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 17:33 (twelve years ago) link

Multi-Riker, while he was still a lieutenant before he made Cmdr on the Enterprise-D, was caused by a transporter accident on an away mission that doubled him into two Rikers, one that made it back to his ship and the other stranded on a deserted planet for X years. Tom Riker made one more cameo in DS9, the Trek aficionado's favorite series.

The "multi Worf" episode is when he trips some quantum singularity whatsit and he travels through a whole buncha different quantum realities, one of which includes a reality where the Borg had killed Picard and overran the Alpha Quadrant and the Federation is almost dead!!!

c(,,c) (Leee), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 17:38 (twelve years ago) link

Anyone see the EVIL Enterprise episodes? That series was pretty much complete garbage but the evil episodes were great, they even changed the theme music, thus making the show a great deal better.

mh. (mike h.), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 17:40 (twelve years ago) link

I've always felt there was this weird Ferengi = Bad space Jews/Vulcans = Good space Jews subtext goin on

RASCIST!

The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 17:45 (twelve years ago) link

There's also that one where Riker wakes up and it's like 20 years in the future...oh wait, it's all a Romulan trap....or is it?

The Yellow Kid (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 21:04 (twelve years ago) link

I remember that one because I'd never heard "charade" pronounced that way before.

do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 21:06 (twelve years ago) link

There's also that one where Riker wakes up and it's like 20 years in the future...oh wait, it's all a Romulan trap....or is it?

Love that one!

UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 22:29 (twelve years ago) link

st:tng on during the week here (mornings, like 10:30am) and the original series starts again on saturday at midnight, odd times. just watched tng, wesley falls in love, turns out to be a seven foot alien. that'll teach him.

Koogy Bloogies (koogs), Saturday, 27 January 2007 17:40 (twelve years ago) link

Love that one!

Yeah, that's a good one. Not as much impact as the constant shattering sane/insane episode but still.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 27 January 2007 19:42 (twelve years ago) link

I am going to see Patrick Stewart on Thursday, in Antony and Cleopatra! I am unreasonably excited. That is all.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 27 January 2007 20:17 (twelve years ago) link

Maybe he will sneak in on Cleopatra having a bath, and then say "No point trying to cover yourself, my dear - I've seen everything."

The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 27 January 2007 21:50 (twelve years ago) link

I don't want that to happen.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 27 January 2007 22:08 (twelve years ago) link

Ho, ho, ho!
Now the witch take me, if I meant it thus!
Grace grow where those drops fall!
My hearty friends,
You take me in too dolorous a sense;
For I spake to you for your comfort; did desire you
To burn this night with torches: know, my hearts,
I hope well of to-morrow; and will lead you
Where rather I'll expect victorious life
Than death and honour. Let's to supper, come,
And drown consideration. Ensign, make it so!

do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 27 January 2007 22:30 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...
two things:

was watching TOS yesterday and Zephram Cochrane was in it (alone on a planet with only an amorphous blob of light for company). i know he also appeared in enterprise and one of the films but was he ever in the others? or only mentioned by name.

and also Geordi was Kunta Kinte in a previous life. wtf? (amusingly the sequel to Roots was called 'Roots: The Next Generations')

koogs, Monday, 2 April 2007 10:39 (twelve years ago) link

SIMONTRIFE: captain, dr crushers brother has died on VIETNAM 7

Ronan, Monday, 2 April 2007 11:24 (twelve years ago) link

SIMONTRIFE: haha ferengi
Ronan909: FERENGI
SIMONTRIFE: space-jews
SIMONTRIFE: they were the bad space-jews, vulcans were the good space-jews

-- Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 5 August 2004 20:50 (2 years ago)

"Ferengui (sp?) were just dwarf Klingons, really."

I've always felt there was this weird Ferengi = Bad space Jews/Vulcans = Good space Jews subtext goin on

-- Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:36 (2 months ago)

and what, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:25 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...
two more things. last week's episode featured dr pulaski in a previous life.

http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/startrektos26.php

in a double bill with the episode where they all dress up as N4Z1S. lol.

(and apparently pulaski turns up as someone else again about 8 episodes later)

koogs, Friday, 18 May 2007 10:41 (twelve years ago) link

N4 Z1S?

i used to live just round the corner from there

696, Friday, 18 May 2007 10:57 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.cardsquad.com/media/2007/05/betazoidgiftbox.jpg

Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 May 2007 14:42 (twelve years ago) link

god, star trek was ahead of its time when it came to fetishes wasn't it?

latebloomer, Friday, 18 May 2007 15:23 (twelve years ago) link

you have a silver head in a box fetish?

and what, Friday, 18 May 2007 15:30 (twelve years ago) link

coyote latebloomer

and what, Friday, 18 May 2007 15:30 (twelve years ago) link

you have no idea, ethan

latebloomer, Friday, 18 May 2007 15:45 (twelve years ago) link

step one, cut a hole in the box

and what, Friday, 18 May 2007 15:47 (twelve years ago) link

three months pass...

i know that the following is kind of odd and/or dumb, but i am bored and it's bothered me for such a long time so here goes ...

... y'all remember that episode "the menagerie," where the talosian aliens kidnap captain christopher pike in order to use him and vina (the female survivor of the original exploratory mission that crashed on the aliens' planet) as breeding stock to repair and build equipment & thereby save the talosian race, right? obviously, we all can understand the mechanics of how all that would work when captain pike was still able-bodied (even though IRL vina was all fucked up and God only knows precisely WHERE the talosians stuck her genitalia when they "repaired" her or even if it was fully functional and whatever the truth wr2 all that pike was brainwashed so he'd think that he was schtupping some hottie instead of a deformed lump of flesh).

when the talosians allowed pike to return after HIS accident, however, when he was all deformed and everything from his torso downwards was confined to that wheelchair-box device -- presumably he WOULDN'T be able to actually mate with vina, right? i mean, HIS genitalia was stuck in that wheelchair-box thing and, even IF by some feat the talosians took a can opener & "let it all out" then the sheer weight of the wheelchair would crush vina when they were getting it on.

so presumably, the talosians' letting pike rejoin vina was just an act of mercy on their part -- since the aliens were fucked as a species anyway and they seemed to be fond of human beings (even as playthings), so why not?!? is this the correct interpretation?!?

Eisbaer, Monday, 10 September 2007 07:54 (twelve years ago) link

I ask the ILX massive - does being a fan of Star Trek make you a "nerd"?

My wife was disputing her nerd status the other day and I was maintaining that anyone who likes Star Trek is de facto a nerd (myself included)

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 10 September 2007 16:13 (twelve years ago) link

particularly anyone who owns multiple action figures/lego figurines of Captain Kirk, Khan, the Gorn, and Spock, among others

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 10 September 2007 16:16 (twelve years ago) link

Wait, your wife owns those or you do?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 September 2007 16:22 (twelve years ago) link

well, TOS has finished on bbc2 (all aired after 1am, with no fanfare, why? was a time when bbc 2 would show three different ST series at 6pm on weekdays) and TNG has resumed. it's not great.

koogs, Monday, 10 September 2007 16:32 (twelve years ago) link

jsut caught 'inner light' episode of TNG. best episode ever?

Alan, Monday, 10 September 2007 16:39 (twelve years ago) link

Wait, your wife owns those or you do?

my wife purchased them/received them as gifts, altho techically since we're married I guess they count as "ours"

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 10 September 2007 16:44 (twelve years ago) link

fwiw I have no doubts about the certainty of my nerd status

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 10 September 2007 16:44 (twelve years ago) link

there was a captain named christopher pike? like the kids' horror author?

i don't think star trek fan makes you auto-nerd, but i'd wouldn't make a bet against it. my mom for example is a casual tng fan and is not a nerd, she will watch it if it's on tv, f'rex.

Will M., Monday, 10 September 2007 16:48 (twelve years ago) link

my wife goes well beyond "casual fan" - owns all the DVDs of TOS + the cartoons, plus deluxe editions of several of the movies (first movie, Khan, Star Trek VI), has numerous books written by castmembers, etc.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 10 September 2007 17:01 (twelve years ago) link

> there was a captain named christopher pike? like the kids' horror author?

was the captain in the pilot episode, pre kirk. footage was later recycled in another episode and, i think, the character came back later.

koogs, Monday, 10 September 2007 17:06 (twelve years ago) link

that "Menagerie" episode always scared/haunted me, what with those veins you could see pulsating under the surface of the Talosians' heads.

btw, I am not a nerd. I am in nerd rehab.

pj, Monday, 10 September 2007 17:11 (twelve years ago) link

i think TNG is safely in mainstream/non-nerd territory - wasn't it one of the top 10 rated shows for much of its run? that's way better than, say, buffy ever did. TOS prob isn't even that nerdy anymore, i know lots of regular ppl who have fond memories of the early 80s movies, at least (cf jerry and george getting weepy over "wrath of khan" in that seinfeld episode).

J.D., Monday, 10 September 2007 21:06 (twelve years ago) link

dud = "real" SF fans' snobbery abt star trek. espec since lots of original series episodes were written by terrific classic writers - theodore sturgeon, james blish, h****n ellison, etc etc.

J.D., Monday, 10 September 2007 21:07 (twelve years ago) link

I've never met any of these "real" SF fans

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:18 (twelve years ago) link

also are you worried about Harlan googling himself and showing up here to harangue you or what?

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:18 (twelve years ago) link

jsut caught 'inner light' episode of TNG. best episode ever?

It's between that and "Yesterday's Enterprise" - both are miles better than "Best of Both Worlds"

Duane Barry, Monday, 10 September 2007 23:37 (twelve years ago) link

there was a captain named christopher pike? like the kids' horror author?

i think that the author christopher pike named himself after ST's captain christopher pike.

Eisbaer, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 01:15 (twelve years ago) link

The Menagerie is like an animated tumor at the back of my brain, informing every move I make as an adult. Well, almost.
I was so in love with Kirk as a 13-yr-old. I never watched the lated incarnations of the show.

Beth Parker, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 01:54 (twelve years ago) link

larer, No, later.
I r drunk

Beth Parker, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 02:00 (twelve years ago) link

pike's going to be a major character in the upcoming movie, yeah?

Alan, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 10:04 (twelve years ago) link

Easy job for the scriptwriter then.

Pike: BLEEP. BLEEP BLEEP. BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP BLEEEEEEP.

Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 10:08 (twelve years ago) link

somewhat incredibly there was a slash fiction question on University Challenge last night, specifically the *very easiest* question about it imaginable.

Grandpont Genie, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 10:10 (twelve years ago) link

no, this will be pike pre-accident. pre the events of the menagerie even.

Alan, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 10:16 (twelve years ago) link

NO SHIT

Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 10:17 (twelve years ago) link

isn't the film abt Kirk in his Starfleet Academy days?

i think i read that somewhere.

Grandpont Genie, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 10:18 (twelve years ago) link

three weeks pass...

7307 Takei, people!

James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 4 October 2007 03:01 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

ethan is the best on the star trek threads. :D

esp abt TNG

Abbott, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 20:43 (twelve years ago) link

SIMONTRIFE: its funny to imagine teh rest of culture continued on without them but on the enterprise they just wanted everything to be old and european bcz they were white supremicists
SIMONTRIFE: like, everybody else in the galaxy is listening to get low 2450
SIMONTRIFE: theyre like a bunch of renaissance faire nerds
SIMONTRIFE: its a show abt a bunch of nerds who fly around in a spaceship
SIMONTRIFE: a bunch of rich white yuppie nerds

i still think this is a good theory

and what, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 20:54 (twelve years ago) link

"rainbow that grants all your wishes" "frere jacques elevator" still make me laff alla time

I was laughing about them today and that's why I revived this.

Abbott, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 20:56 (twelve years ago) link

Ronan909: they were all into such shit stuff aswell
Ronan909: on the holodeck
Ronan909: "i've recreated a 1924 jazz club with no one in it"
Ronan909: "i feel this is the best use of being able to simulate any event ever"

and what, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 21:00 (twelve years ago) link

SO FUCKING CLASSIC! hahahahahaha

Abbott, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 21:05 (twelve years ago) link

Still gold.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 21:11 (twelve years ago) link

I can never see TNG now without thinking of that convo.

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 21:12 (twelve years ago) link

And porno Interactive Fiction, obv.

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 21:13 (twelve years ago) link

Ronan909: REG BARCLAY
SIMONTRIFE: honestly, is he like ten??
Ronan909: AKA *******

pretty sure this said "NED RAGGETT"

and what, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 21:15 (twelve years ago) link

this thread is why ethan should never ever be banned, lol

latebloomer, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 21:27 (twelve years ago) link

pretty sure this said "NED RAGGETT"

Beautiful.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 21:28 (twelve years ago) link

false alarm, it was 'graham'

and what, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 21:37 (twelve years ago) link

None of you are real geeks. Listen: I.. played.. Star Fleet Battles.

This means that I not only believe in an alternate timeline for the original series, but that I also played a tactical simulator based on that timeline using counters and hexagons...

Been there. Done that. I can also trump it because I had a copy of Federation Space, which was the short-lived strategic macro-level version of Star Fleet Battles. Imagine the Dr. Strangelove war room or the Imperial War Museum map room only with Federation vs. Romulan vs. Tholian vs. etc.

Sold it for quite a bit of $$$ on eBay.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 8 November 2007 01:50 (twelve years ago) link

Okay, so you played sStar Fleet Battles, but did you play the rules set that took it into 3-D. If not, I win.

Actually, I lose for admitting to that. Forever.

Stone Monkey, Thursday, 8 November 2007 07:29 (twelve years ago) link

Yes I did. I also played this game... A lot!

At least it provided some answers as to what would happen if a bunch of X-Wing fighters and the Millennium Falcon went up against the Enterprise (the X-Wings usually won)

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 8 November 2007 07:59 (twelve years ago) link

Chris, when we're of retirement age, I still have my copy of Federation Space!

Spencer Chow, Thursday, 8 November 2007 08:11 (twelve years ago) link

I also long for the day when I have enough time to play a full game of Days of Decision+World in Flames!!!

Spencer Chow, Thursday, 8 November 2007 08:12 (twelve years ago) link

SIMONTRIFE: they borrowed their shoulder pads from vivian banks

adam, Thursday, 8 November 2007 16:15 (twelve years ago) link

Ronan909: the irish guy is so funny too
Ronan909: colm meaney
Ronan909: chief o brien
Ronan909: one of my friends gets called chief cos he looks like him
Ronan909: have you ever seen "the snapper"
Ronan909: he plays an Irish dad in it
Ronan909: whose daughter gets pregnant at 16
Ronan909: its so fucking funny
Ronan909: he has slippers and dodgy cardigans etc
Ronan909: his wife goes but what about the neighbours
Ronan909: and he flings a cup of tea and goes
Ronan909: "AH FUCK THE NEIGHBOURS"

and what, Thursday, 8 November 2007 16:47 (twelve years ago) link

four months pass...

virgin 1 is showing TNG but despite it being a bank holiday i don't think i can take encounter at farpoint again

DG, Monday, 24 March 2008 20:59 (eleven years ago) link

i scored both parts of this at a thrift store for a buck apiece on VHS, but they've really, really worn out their welcome.

ian, Monday, 24 March 2008 21:00 (eleven years ago) link

Season 3 of TNG is when the show really starts getting good anyway.

Sparkle Motion, Monday, 24 March 2008 22:29 (eleven years ago) link

I was thinking this was the thread where I made the joke about Troi lezzing up with Worf's forehead, but I guess not.

HI DERE, Monday, 24 March 2008 22:34 (eleven years ago) link

I like to watch TNG with my pissed mates when BBC2 show it on a Friday night at about half two in the morning. Essential post-spoonies viewing.

Bodrick III, Monday, 24 March 2008 22:34 (eleven years ago) link

the bravo listings promise that at midnight

Picard is in love but won't admit it, so Q transforms him into Robin Hood and an old flame into Maid Marian, and sends them both to Sherwood Forest.

DG, Monday, 24 March 2008 23:08 (eleven years ago) link

fuck this show

DG, Monday, 24 March 2008 23:08 (eleven years ago) link

That's a good episode!

Bodrick III, Monday, 24 March 2008 23:11 (eleven years ago) link

mind you the opposition is

The Cult of Hamish Macbeth

Hamish Macbeth was a different kind of policeman, a laid-back local bobby policing a small Scottish village, but the viewing figures regularly topped 10 million.

DG, Monday, 24 March 2008 23:11 (eleven years ago) link

no it is not a good episode

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 24 March 2008 23:11 (eleven years ago) link

All the Q episodes are great, obvs.

Bodrick III, Monday, 24 March 2008 23:11 (eleven years ago) link

I've really enjoyed all the Q eps I've caught. The one where he became human was good.

chap, Monday, 24 March 2008 23:12 (eleven years ago) link

You could tack "fuck this show" at the end of practically any Star Trek epsidoe summary and it would be wholly appropriate, regardless of how good the episode is.

HI DERE, Monday, 24 March 2008 23:12 (eleven years ago) link

ditto for hamish macbeth

DG, Monday, 24 March 2008 23:13 (eleven years ago) link

I've really enjoyed all the Q eps I've caught. The one where he became human was good.

-- chap, Monday, 24 March 2008

I really felt for him, lol. A++ episode.

Bodrick III, Monday, 24 March 2008 23:14 (eleven years ago) link

eight months pass...

Majel Barrett-Roddenberry Has Died

http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0632213/

Kevin John Bozelka, Thursday, 18 December 2008 23:15 (ten years ago) link

Aw man, fuck. One of my dork friends freshman year helped escort her around Panama City, FL in the early 90s for a fan event. Said she was a hilarious dirty old lady who told great stories.

When they finally create true voice synthesis for talking computers, I hope they use tapes of her.

RIP.

Vault Boy Bobblehead - Drinking (kingfish), Thursday, 18 December 2008 23:22 (ten years ago) link

Oh no! RIP

supercool they got her voice in for the new one though

By ROBERT JABLON Associated Press Writer

LOS ANGELES—Majel Barrett Roddenberry, the widow of "Star Trek" creator Gene Roddenberry who nurtured the legacy of the seminal science fiction TV series after his death, has died. She was 76.

Roddenberry died of leukemia Thursday morning at her home in Bel-Air, said Sean Rossall, a family spokesman.

At Roddenberry's side were family friends and her son, Eugene Roddenberry Jr.

Roddenberry was involved in the "Star Trek" universe for more than four decades. She played the dark-haired Number One in the original pilot but metamorphosed into the blond, miniskirted Nurse Christine Chapel in the original 1966-69 show. She had smaller roles in all five of its television successors and many of the "Star Trek" movie incarnations, although she had little actual involvement in the productions.

She frequently was the voice of the ship's computer, and about two weeks ago she completed the same role for the upcoming J.J. Abrams movie "Star Trek," Rossall said.

Roddenberry also helped keep the franchise alive by inspiring fans and attended a major "Star Trek" convention each year, Rossall said.

"I think 'Star Trek' will always be her legacy," Rossall said.

"Star Trek" and its successors often focused on political and philosophical issues of the day. Roddenberry and her husband, who died in 1991, believed in creating "thoughtful entertainment" and were proud of the show and the passionate devotion of its fans, Rossall said.

"My mother truly acknowledged and appreciated the fact that 'Star Trek' fans played a vital role in keeping the Roddenberry dream alive for the past 42 years. It was her love for the fans, and their love in return, that kept her going for so long after my father passed away," her son said in a statement on the official Roddenberry Web site.

Born Majel Lee Hudec on Feb. 23, 1932, in Cleveland, Ohio, Roddenberry began taking acting classes as a child. She had some stage roles and then in the late 1950s and 1960s had bit parts in a few movies and small roles in TV series, including "Leave It to Beaver" and "Bonanza."

She met her husband in 1964 during a guest role for a Marine Corps drama he produced called "The Lieutenant." That same year, she was cast in the pilot for the "Star Trek" series as the no-nonsense second-in-command. The pilot did not appeal to NBC executives and a second pilot was made, although portions of the original later showed up in a two-part episode called "The Menagerie."

The couple married in Japan in 1969 after "Star Trek" was canceled. After her husband's death, Roddenberry continued her involvement with the "Star Trek" franchise.

She also was the executive producer for two other TV science fiction series, "Andromeda" and "Earth: Final Conflict."

Dr Morbius, Friday, 19 December 2008 15:10 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090127/ap_on_en_tv/people_roddenberry

Gene Roddenberry, wife to spend eternity in space

LOS ANGELES – The creator of "Star Trek" and his wife will spend eternity together in space. Celestis Inc., a company that specializes in "memorial spaceflights," said Monday that it will ship the remains of Gene Roddenberry and Majel Barrett Roddenberry into space next year.

The couple's cremated remains will be sealed into specially made capsules designed to withstand the rigors of space travel. A rocket-launched spacecraft will carry the capsules, along with digitized tributes from fans. The Roddenberrys' remains — and the spacecraft — will travel ever deeper into space and will not return to earth, company spokeswoman Susan Schonfeld said.

After Gene Roddenberry died in 1991, his wife commissioned Celestis to launch a part of his remains into space in 1997. She died Dec. 18, 2008.

kingfish, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 06:52 (ten years ago) link

SIMONTRIFE: its funny to imagine teh rest of culture continued on without them but on the enterprise they just wanted everything to be old and european bcz they were white supremicists
SIMONTRIFE: like, everybody else in the galaxy is listening to get low 2450
SIMONTRIFE: theyre like a bunch of renaissance faire nerds
SIMONTRIFE: its a show abt a bunch of nerds who fly around in a spaceship
SIMONTRIFE: a bunch of rich white yuppie nerds

still loling at this

cupcakes off the shoulder of orion (latebloomer), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 06:54 (ten years ago) link

six months pass...

Maybe Star Trek IV was a documentary.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 16:23 (ten years ago) link

i am watching this weird round table discssion thing featurinf whoopie goldberg (host), shatner, nimoy, patrick stewart & johnathan frakes.

ian, Sunday, 2 August 2009 03:33 (ten years ago) link

is that on the undiscovered country bounus disc? worth watching? have been mildly curious about this. seems like there's a good potential for lolz.

just watched this the other day:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0296753/

pretty boring until shatner starts talking about how he couldn't possibly understand how anyone else on the cast could have a problem with him. then he speculates that it could be because the love these minor players get at conventions has blown up their egos! nimoy even backs him up on this!

crazy person:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTr5SGuS7F8&feature=channel_page

original bgm, Monday, 3 August 2009 13:50 (ten years ago) link

Mind Meld is hilarious - I lol's at Nimoy's confessions about his "drinking problem"

girlish in the worst sense of that term (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 August 2009 16:01 (ten years ago) link

I find Shatner rather charming for an egomaniac with a persecution complex.

chap, Monday, 3 August 2009 16:08 (ten years ago) link

egomaniacs usually are pretty charming!

SBed à part (s1ocki), Monday, 3 August 2009 16:09 (ten years ago) link

oh, he's definitely charming. totally perfect for the kirk role.

really funny that the person "interviewing" him in the video I posted is his daughter.

original bgm, Monday, 3 August 2009 18:24 (ten years ago) link

and it's pretty obvious that a lot of this stuff is done with a wink to the audience but mind meld seemed to really hammer home the idea that shatner has a (being generous here...) pretty underdeveloped sense of empathy.

original bgm, Monday, 3 August 2009 18:30 (ten years ago) link

'I lol's at Nimoy's confessions about his "drinking problem"'
I thought his alcoholism was real! It's not some kind of Borat thing is it?

Philip Nunez, Monday, 3 August 2009 18:37 (ten years ago) link

yeah, that part came off as pretty legit to me, actually.

original bgm, Monday, 3 August 2009 19:00 (ten years ago) link

three months pass...

is it weird that none of the major ST characters, old or TNG, are supposed to be married or have boyfriends or girlfriends?

Alf, Lord Melmacsyn (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 18:46 (ten years ago) link

They have each other.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 18:47 (ten years ago) link

Troi and Riker get married at the beginning of Star Trek Nemesis.

so says surgeon snoball (snoball), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 18:48 (ten years ago) link

The Doctor and Picard get it on at one point, don't they?

Troi and Worf got hitched.

smashing aspirant (milo z), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 18:49 (ten years ago) link

Troi and Worf had a relationship, but they only got married in an alternate timeline. Damn I sound like such a nerd...

so says surgeon snoball (snoball), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 18:52 (ten years ago) link

Doctor from DS9 was married to Kira from DS9. His uncles include a Saudi King and Malcolm McDowell.
I outnerd you!

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 18:56 (ten years ago) link

One of the officers on the new Enterprise at the beginning of "Generations" is Sulu's daughter.

Bears Are Alive! (Pancakes Hackman), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 18:58 (ten years ago) link

Which implies a wife or girlfriend of some kind at some point.

Also, James Kirk - Carol Marcus.

Bears Are Alive! (Pancakes Hackman), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 18:58 (ten years ago) link

The ensign who dies from radiation exposure in ST2 is Scotty's nephew.

so says surgeon snoball (snoball), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 18:59 (ten years ago) link

Also, David is Kirk and Carol's son.

so says surgeon snoball (snoball), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 19:00 (ten years ago) link

Kirk's brother (played by Shatner wearing a false moustache) is in one episode of TOS.

so says surgeon snoball (snoball), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 19:01 (ten years ago) link

The Doctor and Picard get it on at one point, don't they?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/08/article-1160453-03CA5921000005DC-980_468x459.jpg

DavidM, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 19:01 (ten years ago) link

Also Worf has a son, Alex, by that Klingon ambassador who gets killed by Duras.

so says surgeon snoball (snoball), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 19:02 (ten years ago) link

Torres and Paris have a baby in Voyager.

so says surgeon snoball (snoball), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 19:05 (ten years ago) link

Sisko has a son, lost his wife during the space battle with BorgPicard.

so says surgeon snoball (snoball), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 19:07 (ten years ago) link

Even Q has a son.

so says surgeon snoball (snoball), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 19:09 (ten years ago) link

Seven of 9 was married to Chicago Republican whose sex scandal paved the way for Obama to take his vacated position and later, the White House.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 19:10 (ten years ago) link

Gene Roddenberry's boldest vision.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 19:11 (ten years ago) link

Oh and in ST:TMP Decker and Ilea were dating before the events of the movie, and at the end of the film they merge with the probe to become a non-corporeal being.

so says surgeon snoball (snoball), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 19:12 (ten years ago) link

Spock has a hippie girlfriend on planet shrooms, but Kirk slaps him so he breaks it off.
Chekov has a hippie girlfriend in a crazy Christian cult, but she eats acid and dies.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 19:29 (ten years ago) link

Bones' old girlfriend turns out to be the salt vampire

Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 19:31 (ten years ago) link

And plays Erin Gray to Spock's Glenn Ford.

Meade Lex Louis (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 20:08 (ten years ago) link

Scotty hooked up w/girls on several occasions on TOS including that one episode with the lights that take over people's bodies.

Nurse Chapel on TOS had an ex-fiance who they found building robots to take over the galaxy.

Bears Are Alive! (Pancakes Hackman), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 20:34 (ten years ago) link

The ex-fiance, of course, turned out to be a robot copy of himself.

Meade Lex Louis (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 20:44 (ten years ago) link

Ha ha girlfriends have higher mortality rates than red shirts.
Even Khan had a girlfriend (dead)

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 21:00 (ten years ago) link

is it weird that none of the major ST characters, old or TNG, are supposed to be married or have boyfriends or girlfriends?

Maybe this is true for the OG series, but in TNG pretty much all the main characters have paired up with each other at one time or another: Picard and Crusher, Troi and Riker, Troi and Worf, Data and Tasha Yar... I think Geordi was the only main character who never paired up with another crew member... Or did he?

Tuomas, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 21:05 (ten years ago) link

Geordi was a real ladies man - he seemed to go on dates more often then the rest of the crew combined.

so says surgeon snoball (snoball), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 21:07 (ten years ago) link

Of course he'd always blow it by taking the girl out to some super cheesy holodeck island that he'd spent hours programming.

so says surgeon snoball (snoball), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 21:07 (ten years ago) link

But he married a german hologram!

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 21:13 (ten years ago) link

In the alternate timeline of TNG series finale All Good Things..., La Forge has by 2395 married Leah Brahms and had three children (Alandra, Brett, and Sydney) with her. He had left Starfleet and became a novelist. However, these events may never happen because of the divergence of the time line at the episode's end.

wow did not know that

lift this towel, its just a nipple (HI DERE), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 21:15 (ten years ago) link

Maybe this is true for the OG series

it is not true at all for the OG series. Kirk has more girlfriends than he can count, Spock has a couple trysts (including one arranged marriage), Bones has exes, Scotty and Chekov pursue romances, etc. Uhura's the only lonely one iirc

Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 21:17 (ten years ago) link

Star Trek: the land where black ppl can't get laid

lift this towel, its just a nipple (HI DERE), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 21:19 (ten years ago) link

The Spock arranged marriage episode is funny, because his wife to be dumps him for some other guy.
Doesn't Uhura avoid relationships because she was engaged to another Starfleet officer who was killed on a mission, or something?

so says surgeon snoball (snoball), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 21:19 (ten years ago) link

I think Dan is more OTM... white America can't handle the black sexing

Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 21:20 (ten years ago) link

(fwiw I don't think Sulu ever gets a girl either)

Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 21:21 (ten years ago) link

Doesn't she lock a cadet in the closet for her pleasure?

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 21:21 (ten years ago) link

lol Uhura didn't even have a canonical first name until the 2009 movie, she certainly wasn't going to have any canonical tail

lift this towel, its just a nipple (HI DERE), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 21:24 (ten years ago) link

Bones falls in love with Joan Collins

Uhura airs out her canonical tail in Star Trek V

kingfish, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 21:27 (ten years ago) link

V is so unwatchable I don't feel guilty for not remembering

Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 21:28 (ten years ago) link

Scotty and Uhura are under the influence of Sybok's mind meld therapy lose-your-inhibitions thing, so does that really count?

so says surgeon snoball (snoball), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 21:33 (ten years ago) link

No, Uhura gets auntie-naked as a distraction

kingfish, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 21:35 (ten years ago) link

I remember reading that Kirk and Uhura kissing in an episode of the original series was the first ever interracial kiss on American television. Though they covered it by having Kirk and Uhura be under alien mind control or something when they did the deed.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 21:35 (ten years ago) link

Yes. It was the "Plato's Stepchildren" episode, I believe.

Meade Lex Louis (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 21:37 (ten years ago) link

^^^episode is Plato's Stepchildren and it is TEH AWESOME one of my favorite episodes. yes it is the first interracial "kiss" but its more like interracial lip-brushing

Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 21:40 (ten years ago) link

i know they all have like HOOK-UPS, but isnt it weird that not ONE of the main characters is in a LTR for the main run of the show? it's like a ship of singles!!

Alf, Lord Melmacsyn (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 21:58 (ten years ago) link

why would anyone who's off galivanting around in deep space be in a LTR?

Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:01 (ten years ago) link

it's like they boldly choose to not be monogamous

jØrdån (omar little), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:01 (ten years ago) link

really... "I love ya babe, be back in 5 years! Hopefully I won't have space crabs..."

Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:02 (ten years ago) link

wasn't there a tng episode where some alien force caused them all to get it on?

hey trader joe's! i've got the new steely dan. (Jordan), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:04 (ten years ago) link

haha kirk is officiating a non-denom. wedding, then the ship gets attacked, and then at the end of the episode the only guy who dies is the groom, so kirk has to go tell the bride, and possibly schtup her. this is what happens if you get married in deep space.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:08 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, that's the episode where Tasha Yar finds out Data is "fully equipped", if you get my drift... I don't think the others had sex it in it though, they just went wild in other ways.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:08 (ten years ago) link

(x-post)

Tuomas, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:08 (ten years ago) link

why would anyone who's off galivanting around in deep space be in a LTR?

― Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, November 17, 2009 5:01 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

u know people in the like, army and navy and stuff are frequently married!!

you're kinda implying that our beloved characters might not represent federation society as a whole and might be a gang of socially-maladjusted misfits

Alf, Lord Melmacsyn (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:09 (ten years ago) link

Why else do we love them so.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:13 (ten years ago) link

USS ILXOR NCC 5308

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:13 (ten years ago) link

That's why Enterprise seems to have much more odd and dangerous missions than any other Federation ship... They've hand-picked a ship full of maladjusted permanent bachelor(ette)s they can send to on deadly missions, knowing no one will miss them back home.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:14 (ten years ago) link

(xpost) ...to boldly zing where no-one has zinged before!

so says surgeon snoball (snoball), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:16 (ten years ago) link

Thread of missing Charlie X.

Meade Lex Louis (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:21 (ten years ago) link

How else could they get away with just drinking synthehol?

kingfish, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:22 (ten years ago) link

That's why Enterprise seems to have much more odd and dangerous missions than any other Federation ship... They've hand-picked a ship full of maladjusted permanent bachelor(ette)s they can send to on deadly missions, knowing no one will miss them back home.

This would make Star Trek a far, far more interesting series.

smashing aspirant (milo z), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:35 (ten years ago) link

Big Brother In Space

so says surgeon snoball (snoball), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:36 (ten years ago) link

anyway, they're always talking about all the families onboard the enterprise, it's not like nobody who works on the ship is married!!

Alf, Lord Melmacsyn (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:37 (ten years ago) link

Chief Miles had wifey and a kid. Or did they just appear when he went to DS9?

smashing aspirant (milo z), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:39 (ten years ago) link

anyway, they're always talking about all the families onboard the enterprise, it's not like nobody who works on the ship is married!!

this is more of a TNG thing, I don't think this is ever mentioned in the OS

Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:40 (ten years ago) link

It SO is mentioned in the original series.

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:45 (ten years ago) link

Kirk talks about the CREW a lot, but families...? We never see any children

Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:50 (ten years ago) link

nah the chief married that asian chick on tng

hey trader joe's! i've got the new steely dan. (Jordan), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:50 (ten years ago) link

> Troi and Worf had a relationship, but they only got married in an alternate timeline.

Worf marries J Dax in DS9. then she dies and he has a thing with Ezri Dax.

O'Brien is also married (keiko?) in DS9. (Xpost?)

koogs, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:52 (ten years ago) link

this is more of a TNG thing, I don't think this is ever mentioned in the OS

― Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, November 17, 2009 5:40 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ok then TNG!

Alf, Lord Melmacsyn (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:55 (ten years ago) link

Ha ha, this is one of the things that I always get a laugh out of with TNG. They're soooooo pleased with themselves that they cart their families around in their big expensive parenting lab, unlike the savage races that break up families for space travel.... BUT they're perfectly willing to put their families in the most RIDICULOUS danger imaginable every week. Implosion, warp core failure, time travel, saucer separation, various battles, etc.

fields of salmon, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:59 (ten years ago) link

O'Brien and Kieko have a baby while they're still on the Enterprise in TNG. Kieko gives birth during the episode where the ship gets hit by a quantum filament (or whatever the heck it is), and Worf is the midwife.

so says surgeon snoball (snoball), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:00 (ten years ago) link

I love late-period Worf.

fields of salmon, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:01 (ten years ago) link

Ezri Dax was fiiiiiiiine.

smashing aspirant (milo z), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:01 (ten years ago) link

Meantime:

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/buzz-log-r2-d2-star-trek.html

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 November 2009 16:59 (ten years ago) link

Edward Gorey's Star Trek

james cameron gargameled my boner for life (Pancakes Hackman), Monday, 30 November 2009 20:16 (ten years ago) link

awesome

kingfish, Monday, 30 November 2009 21:41 (ten years ago) link

Ryan North is clearly not a great draftsman but his "Season One" Riker is spot on

http://1.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kts5bidlxP1qzfxk0o1_400.jpg

George Mucus (ledge), Monday, 30 November 2009 22:19 (ten years ago) link

Yes – that jaw. What a great drawing.

mascara and ties (Abbott), Monday, 30 November 2009 22:26 (ten years ago) link

Uhura's the only lonely one iirc

But what about this classic moment:

http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/nakedtime/sulu_uhrua.jpg

Swashbuckling Sulu: I'll protect you, fair maiden!
Uhuru: Sorry...neither!

Best line ever!

Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, 30 November 2009 22:41 (ten years ago) link

What if Star Trek was an ITC production in the mid-70s?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhRGqT31WZg

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 3 December 2009 04:07 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=414TmP12WAU

poster x (ledge), Monday, 21 December 2009 15:57 (nine years ago) link

Turns out the story about Star Trek showing the first kiss between a black and white actor on American television isn't true after all... Nancy Sinatra had already kissed Sammy Davis Jr. on TV in 1967, a year before "Plato's Stepchildren" aired:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movin%27_With_Nancy

Tuomas, Monday, 21 December 2009 16:27 (nine years ago) link

I don't think Sammy-Nancy was a "hot" kiss

Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 December 2009 16:39 (nine years ago) link

three months pass...

http://twitter.com/TheRealNimoy/status/12536477742

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 21:52 (nine years ago) link

LOL

sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 21:55 (nine years ago) link

Crazy Nimoy! Zoe Saldana didn't exist even on a cellular level back then.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 21:55 (nine years ago) link

ten months pass...

1973 star trek convention:

http://www.youtube.com/user/beyondspock

Ward Fowler, Saturday, 5 March 2011 22:05 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

And then of course:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20061024-71.html

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 May 2011 20:11 (eight years ago) link

i can't even believe this question was ever asked. anyone who doesn't like Star Trek, even in a secret way, can fuck off and die.

it is his "enigmatic signifier" (the table is the table), Monday, 9 May 2011 20:20 (eight years ago) link

i remember having the trek/wars argument when i was in school and saying star wars. i was so fucking wrong. wrath of khan and search for spock alone > star wars.

Introducing the Hardline According to (jim in glasgow), Monday, 9 May 2011 20:21 (eight years ago) link

absolutely.

it is his "enigmatic signifier" (the table is the table), Monday, 9 May 2011 20:26 (eight years ago) link

star wars has become such a joyless industry to me

no slouch of a snipster (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 May 2011 20:29 (eight years ago) link

well so did ST there until the reboot.

akm, Monday, 9 May 2011 20:38 (eight years ago) link

Enterprise had its moments, i thought.

it is his "enigmatic signifier" (the table is the table), Monday, 9 May 2011 20:39 (eight years ago) link

yeah but I could just ignore things like Enterprise (space Bush!) - the OST DVDs were not replaced/scarred with CGI additions, etc.

no slouch of a snipster (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 May 2011 20:39 (eight years ago) link

right. TNG is still my fave, but that's because i grew up with it.

it is his "enigmatic signifier" (the table is the table), Monday, 9 May 2011 20:42 (eight years ago) link

Star Trek just seems like so much more of a flexible and accomodating sort of universe to explore and work with - Star Wars has become so claustrophobic/autistic, always treading over the same water, endlessly filling in and fiddling with details of a single, heavily revered story arc, the self-referentialism is suffocating.

no slouch of a snipster (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 May 2011 20:47 (eight years ago) link

true. i can't imagine star wars ever getting rebooted with Simon Pegg as Han Solo. Although I would prefer that to the prequel movies.

akm, Monday, 9 May 2011 21:00 (eight years ago) link

the OST DVDs were not replaced/scarred with CGI additions, etc

Actually, didn't they do exactly this? I remember Paramount came out with new CGI for the old episodes a couple years ago. Maybe the DVDs have both versions?

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Monday, 9 May 2011 21:30 (eight years ago) link

yeah, I've seen the eps with added CGI late night on tv a few times. from what I've seen, it was done fairly tastefully.

the blu-ray discs allow you to pick either version.

original bgm, Monday, 9 May 2011 21:34 (eight years ago) link

dig this shot:

http://www.marcwade.com/startrek/remastered/tos-050/planetscape/Ep50_planetscape.jpg

of course, the crummy effects are half the fun, so I opt for my old dvds if I have the option.

original bgm, Monday, 9 May 2011 21:38 (eight years ago) link

i can't even believe this question was ever asked. anyone who doesn't like Star Trek, even in a secret way, can fuck off and die.

― it is his "enigmatic signifier" (the table is the table), Monday, 9 May 2011 20:20 (2 hours ago)

^

zingstreet (latebloomer), Monday, 9 May 2011 22:21 (eight years ago) link

my point was you can still get the actual aired versions of the OST episodes - they are readily available.

no slouch of a snipster (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 May 2011 22:40 (eight years ago) link

we didn't talk about the recent *amazing* film much on here. was there a seperate thread devoted to it?

piscesx, Monday, 9 May 2011 22:49 (eight years ago) link

aha Young Kirk n Spock + Lost = new Star Trek movie

God that movie was great.

piscesx, Monday, 9 May 2011 22:50 (eight years ago) link

it was good. in order to be great it would have needed a better villain.

no slouch of a snipster (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 May 2011 23:00 (eight years ago) link

it was better than it had any reason to be. as in, it was like the third or fourth best star trek movie and there are like,, 200 of them.

akm, Monday, 9 May 2011 23:15 (eight years ago) link

paramount showed way more respect to the original episodes with those CGI updates than lucas did to his own films -- all the ones i've seen have been tasteful and non-distracting.

any consensus on what the best TNG seasons are? i kind of want to watch it again but don't really want to slog through those early episodes again.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 9 May 2011 23:28 (eight years ago) link

my favorite stuff is actually fairly early on - the arc with the Federation conspiracy/cosmic earwig infestation, Q's stories. the Data/Lore stuff is pretty good. Seems like reruns are on all the time, but it's always the boring "office in space" type shit. series was definitely on for too long.

Wrinkles (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 May 2011 23:31 (eight years ago) link

hmm.. i like the first four the best, for the same sorts of reasons.

it is his "enigmatic signifier" (the table is the table), Monday, 9 May 2011 23:35 (eight years ago) link

the arc with the Federation conspiracy/cosmic earwig infestation

shit yeah

normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 9 May 2011 23:39 (eight years ago) link

^ should run that every halloween

normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 9 May 2011 23:39 (eight years ago) link

lol I guess that was only 2 episodes at the end of season 1

Wrinkles (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 May 2011 23:40 (eight years ago) link

"it was like the third or fourth best star trek movie and there are like,, 200 of them."

if you're going by star trek parody movies that were surprisingly better than most star trek movies,
there's lots! Galaxy Quest, Futurama, hm.. well I guess that's it.

Philip Nunez, Monday, 9 May 2011 23:47 (eight years ago) link

yeah, so bummed that they never went back to it. strange in that it's the only star trek storyline i know of where you get the idea that the federation is a complex, political and morally questionable organization. stealth smack down on roddenberry's midcentury utopian idealism.

normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 9 May 2011 23:48 (eight years ago) link

x-post there

normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 9 May 2011 23:49 (eight years ago) link

yeah, those eps were dope. was also super-disappointed that they never really touched on the conspiracy stuff again.

season 3/4 was the sweet spot for me iirc.

also always have time for the crystalline entity.

original bgm, Monday, 9 May 2011 23:49 (eight years ago) link

Seasons 3-5 are TNG at its best IMO. I do agree it went on for too long though - the last season was extremely bland (and often plain bad).

The Conspiracy bugs should definitely have made a comeback, but producers decided not to, simply because fans thought it too icky. The "Section 31" episodes of DS9 did a pretty similar thing for the Federation.

Duane Barry, Monday, 9 May 2011 23:55 (eight years ago) link

they did bring the conspiracy back, kind of. the borg were originally supposed to be those space maggots

Philip Nunez, Monday, 9 May 2011 23:56 (eight years ago) link

thanks, alan

always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 00:07 (eight years ago) link

the borg were originally supposed to be those space maggots

that so? missed that. not quite the same thing tho...

always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 00:08 (eight years ago) link

to be honest I'm glad they didn't go that route. i like bughunting and I like star trek,
but I don't think i would like star trek: bughunter very much. it'd be like that time
they turned picard into jack sparrow.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 00:19 (eight years ago) link

I've never heard about the borg thing either. not really that similar outside of the gross out factor, right?

speaking of trek stuff that didn't get enough play - always hated how the gorn bridge gets mentioned a couple times in "arena" but never actually makes an appearance. give these guys a spinoff imo.

and np, contenderizer.

original bgm, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 00:27 (eight years ago) link

I would frame that beautiful fan art.

crabbbittts (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 00:35 (eight years ago) link

oh man, i'm totally going to watch some TNG and get stoned tonight.

it is his "enigmatic signifier" (the table is the table), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 02:43 (eight years ago) link

but I don't think i would like star trek: bughunter very much

Would watch the shit out of Star Trek: Bughunter

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 02:57 (eight years ago) link

Seasons 3-5 are TNG at its best IMO

this

Nhex, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 03:11 (eight years ago) link

http://gornshop.com/

original bgm, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 03:13 (eight years ago) link

What makes me continually want to cry is that I'll (probably) never be able to watch TNG in a cleaned-up, 16:9 aspect ratio format due to the way the FX were somehow boiled down onto video in some kind of hard-coded 4:3 format. They can't actually reformat for 16:9 because the FX are printed over the top somehow. I don't think there's any non-FX masters or anything they could eventually work up from.

Once, while rendered borderline autistic through cannabis and improperly prescribed antidepressant medication, I spent weeks trying to make the "perfect" rips of the standard TNG DVDs, but there's really nothing you can do and the show was just shot like a piece of shit. Frustrating. With DS9 they finally bought some good cameras or something.

I don't know. I figure there's good enough computers now that they could probably figure all that shit out somehow.

fields of salmon, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 03:34 (eight years ago) link

Kind of sad that the things I'm more worried about not seeing before I die are Star Trek-related and not things like proportional representation or reformed cannabis legislation. Oh well.

fields of salmon, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 03:38 (eight years ago) link

i watched TNG religiously when it was on but I absolutely can't be bothered with it now, I doubt I could sit through an episode.

akm, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 04:45 (eight years ago) link

God that movie was great.

Outta yr mind

As an OST fan (early in its syndication run), I was never interested in the other series when they came around. And I don't even want to see JJ Abrams' second film for free.

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 04:58 (eight years ago) link

I thought the new movie was okay, but not as a Star Trek movie. To me ST was always about this sci-fi pacifism and utopianism; the best TNG and original series TV episodes are the ones where they solve problems with their minds and/or trough negotiation, not with space battles. That's what makes ST different from Star Wars. But the new movie was basically just a big, fight scene heavy space opera spiced with a bit of sci-fi quasi-science. It was pretty good as such, but it didn't feel like a proper Star Trek story. The characters were more like action heroes than the sort of intelligent problem-solvers they were in the series.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 06:32 (eight years ago) link

the first season of TNG is unbearably bad aside from a couple eps (though the first season did give us the "rape gangs of turkana IV"). roddenberry seriously hamstrung the show in the early seasons with his lunkheaded decree that there be no interpersonal conflict between the crew - there was no place for it in his utopian future. i grew up on TNG and it was greatly loved by me as a kid, but revisiting it and TOS as an adult it's clear that the original series is way better. there's no character dynamic in TNG as interesting as kirk-mccoy-spock - the humanist themes really feel so much more lively when they're being expressed by characters who violently disagree w/each other. all that cheesy 80s new age stuff in TNG - it's part of the charm in a way, but it's also clearly a tepid replacement for human drama.

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 09:00 (eight years ago) link

i mostly agree with tuomas re: the 09 Star Trek movie - i enjoyed it but it was more of an action movie than a Trek movie, though I give it credit for at least being a really good action movie (most of the TNG movies were just incredibly bad action movies). the villain WAS weak but I chalked that up to origin story syndrome - they're saving the best villains for the second installment. i also thought they underutilized mccoy, who's supposed to be kirk's one true confidant and a vital counter-point to spock's beep boop ice-cold logic.

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 09:07 (eight years ago) link

there's no character dynamic in TNG as interesting as kirk-mccoy-spock

how about riker-riker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck-VIA1GUCY

nb all trek fans should immediately watch all clips on that page

ledge, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 09:09 (eight years ago) link

this is my favorite tng edit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk7eyqY4bbQ

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 09:29 (eight years ago) link

roddenberry seriously hamstrung the show in the early seasons with his lunkheaded decree that there be no interpersonal conflict between the crew

yeah, it's odd to realize that roddenberry in some ways wasn't such a great influence on his own shows -- he had very little role in 'wrath of khan' because he was (kinda rightly) blamed for the boringness of the first movie, which also has pretty much no conflict or character interest going on.

TNG tried to do a spock and mccoy kind of conflict with that awful doctor who replaced crusher for a while, didn't they?

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 09:38 (eight years ago) link

"that awful doctor" was in two of TOS series, once as love interest, once as the enemy

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Diana_Muldaur

koogs, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 11:26 (eight years ago) link

yeah, so bummed that they never went back to it. strange in that it's the only star trek storyline i know of where you get the idea that the federation is a complex, political and morally questionable organization. stealth smack down on roddenberry's midcentury utopian idealism.

I love DS9 in part because they really get into the idea that the Federation isn't uniformly awesome, and even though the main characters remain Federation stans, they do allow characters to express some pretty OTM criticisms of it as a political entity.

Also, yes, the bugs-into-Borg as main bad enemy of TNG is confirmed on Memory Alpha. I love the Borg. They are way creepier to me than parasitic worms are.

phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 12:39 (eight years ago) link

OST & TNG are about equal in my estimation, most of the movies are fun & watchable, the other series I will probably never see.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 19:28 (eight years ago) link

To me ST was always about this sci-fi pacifism

You did notice that Jim Kirk interfered imperially in alien socities ALL THE FRIGGIN' TIME? And sometimes violently. He was like the Teddy Roosevelt of the cosmos.

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 19:52 (eight years ago) link

prime directive is some massive bullshit anyway.

ledge, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:35 (eight years ago) link

naw naw, prime directive is cool. it's capital punishment for visiting throbbing headvein planet that is wack.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 22:36 (eight years ago) link

did they ever revisit that planet in any of the other ST shows?

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 00:02 (eight years ago) link

not that i know of. missed opportunities...

always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 00:33 (eight years ago) link

did they ever revisit that planet in any of the other ST shows?

No. Wish they did...

x-post

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 01:16 (eight years ago) link

Back when Star Trek: Voyager was still taking unsolicited scripts I had a great idea as to whether the Prime Directive was applicable in reverse - would Star Fleet (or at least Voyager) allow itself to use tech so far ahead that it could violate the Prime Directive (especially once they used it to return to Federation Space).

Never got further than a plot outline, but it's one thing ST (in whatever show) never satisfactorily addressed. "Where No One Has Gone Before" sorta does it, but it's first season TNG and, well, you know...

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 01:25 (eight years ago) link

i remembered that episode being kinda cool but just looked it up and hey, what do you know, it's a 'wesley saves the ship' episode.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 02:13 (eight years ago) link

I thought the new movie was okay, but not as a Star Trek movie. To me ST was always about this sci-fi pacifism and utopianism; the best TNG and original series TV episodes are the ones where they solve problems with their minds and/or trough negotiation, not with space battles.

perhaps, but most of the trek movies have been action-adventures that were light on the actual sci-fi stuff (except as plot devices).

the only truly science fictional trek movie was the first one, and people seem to hate that one.

also morbz has a point about TOS--for every episode where conflict was solved by understanding a rock monster's feelings or whatever there are another 3 episodes where Kirk & co totally violate the prime directive to kick some klingon ass.

zingstreet (latebloomer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 02:23 (eight years ago) link

In 2011, de Lancie will appear in Torchwood: Miracle Day, the fourth season of the Doctor Who spin-off series Torchwood (episodes of which were written by Jane Espenson and John Shiban).[3]

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 02:31 (eight years ago) link

watched the squire of gothos last night.. great ep.

one dis leads to another (ian), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 02:38 (eight years ago) link

xpost -- If he actually appeared as Q...

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 02:39 (eight years ago) link

Meanwhile, one of my favorite MST3K moments:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26zkCWPLEZg

I think the moment Mike first appeared in mirror form and cackled maniacally the group of people I was watching it with went into 'it can't be' shock. Then he delivered "Your agonizer, please" and we were pretty much gone for the rest of the episode.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 02:43 (eight years ago) link

throbbing headvein planet

One of the producers wrote a book and talked about pushing on a bicycle or hand pump whenever the vein was to throb.

stars on 45 my destination (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 03:31 (eight years ago) link

perhaps, but most of the trek movies have been action-adventures that were light on the actual sci-fi stuff (except as plot devices).

Well yeah, that's why I prefer the series (mostly TNG) to the movies. But to me, the new ST movie felt even more action oriented than the previous films. Also, it had some stupid attempts to make the series more "youthful", like the opening scene with the Beastie Boys, the green-skinned alien babe, the "extreme sports" scene with skydiving and swords, etc. I'd prefer ST to be ponderous and a bit suffy, not "cool".

Tuomas, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:58 (eight years ago) link

"suffy" = "stuffy"

Tuomas, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:59 (eight years ago) link

The Red Letter Media reviews of the TNG movies are as good as the ones they did for the prequels.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 07:09 (eight years ago) link

yeah i was gonna link to those - they're really good, especially if you're a trek fan

Princess TamTam, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 07:16 (eight years ago) link

http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-trek/

Princess TamTam, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 07:17 (eight years ago) link

xxxx-post to Tuomas

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the square, "stuffy" side of Trek! I kinda like how perversely dedicated TNG was to its anti-septic future at times!

zingstreet (latebloomer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 07:19 (eight years ago) link

...But even TNG had the borg to throw down with.

I was kinda disappointed when they introduced the "borg queen" character in First Contact. Kind of defeats the point of the Borg, no?

zingstreet (latebloomer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 07:23 (eight years ago) link

i remember ebert gettin a mad borg queen bone @ that movie

Princess TamTam, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 07:29 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, the Borg queen thing was pretty stupid, especially if (as it was implied) she was the queen of all Borg and killing her stopped all of them. I guess Hollywood movies need to have one identifiable big baddie, having a race of anonymous baddies just isn't enough. (See also: the way that one Orc was promoted to the role of an "end-of-the-movie baddie" in the first LotR movie.) Also, her being the queen of all Borg made the victory in First Contact "cleaner": instead of defeating one Borg ship they defeated the whole race.

If you want to have an insect metaphor, it would've made more sense if each Borg ship had its own queen, and killing the queen only incapacitates that one ship.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 08:23 (eight years ago) link

the "extreme sports" scene with skydiving and swords, etc. I'd prefer ST to be ponderous and a bit suffy

thought this scene was pretty fun and dug the in-jokes. nod to sulu's inner swashbcukler in "the naked time" and red shirt guy bites the dust immediately!

original bgm, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 11:39 (eight years ago) link

whoops. just meant to quote the skydiving bit.

original bgm, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 11:41 (eight years ago) link

Good call Tuomas. I never liked the fact that Picard had been a bit borgy at one point, made them seem less scary and sinister in the sense that you could escape them. Queen Borg comes across as suppressed and horny. A very weird combination.

I am leader of the sheeple (captain rosie), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 11:57 (eight years ago) link

Alan N. otm re: skydiving. Tuomas OTM re: the Beastie Boys tho

american thinker (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 15:37 (eight years ago) link

yeah, beastie boys scene is kind of indefensible.

original bgm, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:27 (eight years ago) link

I am no defender but watching that scene in the cinema was pretty awesome.

I am leader of the sheeple (captain rosie), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:29 (eight years ago) link

I am rereading the Ebert review on first contact & he keeps calling them "Borgs." I thought the plural of Borg was Borg? What does the Federation style manual say on this?

Abbbottt, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 17:12 (eight years ago) link

not a star trek expert at all but clearly it should be "borg", as in the monolithic freakiness of "THE BORG"

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 17:29 (eight years ago) link

hello!

Abbbottt, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 17:30 (eight years ago) link

ebert being inattentive to that pleasure in a positive review is frankly a black mark, but he earns back my goodwill in the nemesis review where he says "life is too short to sit through 10 movies in which the power is shifted around on these shields".

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 17:33 (eight years ago) link

(that's the same review where he calls star trek "kind of terrific, once" which i think is a really touching, measured way to praise it while still declaring yourself Done with it)

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 17:42 (eight years ago) link

anyway i thought the abrams star trek was fun--driving home from the theatre, i pretended my dashboard gauges measured cooler things--and the only way in which it was an ideological break from the last few TNG movies was that it wasn't directed and acted like a playstation cutscene, but it and the original series have different pretensions. the complaint about it being "youthful" sounds odd but is actually totally otm because half the weird lovable brink-of-camp atmosphere of the old movies comes from all the performers being puffy.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 17:56 (eight years ago) link

I feel more charitable towards abrams trek despite its utter non-trekiness mainly due to the utter
non-trekiness of the spinoffs from DS9 onward, but got to disagree with the Borg queen-hate.

Yes, there's a lot of narrative putty to make her stick but if you've ever been in a student group with
no discernible leader, you'd have to agree that the borg as dictatorship is far more believable than a bunch of dudes arguing over the fonts on the dorm party flyers.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:49 (eight years ago) link

we beg to differ

Banaka™ (banaka), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:13 (eight years ago) link

BOOM

always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:13 (eight years ago) link

3 of 12 thinks we should make potstickers for the bake sale
4 of 8 hearts potstickers!
3 of 5 hates potstickers!
5 of 8 is allergic to gluten
3 of 12 wonders if potstickers are gluten-free
3 of 5 ate all the potstickers

That's what a queen-less borg would be like.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:35 (eight years ago) link

i ate all the potstickers

always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:40 (eight years ago) link

They eat all our potstickers... and we fall back. The line must be drawn HERE!

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:56 (eight years ago) link

don't think the idea with the borg was that they voted

i was okay with the queen as like an avatar or whatever of the collective consciousness, or maybe i wasn't, i haven't seen it in forever.

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:58 (eight years ago) link

although i guess if you were a race with a single collective consciousness like a million-headed hydra that could never be defeated why would you combine it all into one chick someone could shoot, so yeah

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:59 (eight years ago) link

Re-watching the new Star Trek film and a few thoughts--

-They half-ass the time travel stuff, kinda stupid.
-Agree with Tuomas that it feels more like an action-sf film than a true Trek film.
-love young McCoy and Spock.

It's a very enjoyable movie, but I think if we keep along these lines we'll end up with a franchise of X-Men 3's.

one dis leads to another (ian), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:23 (eight years ago) link

it's no squire of gothos.

one dis leads to another (ian), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:26 (eight years ago) link

I thought the idea of the Borg was that they were programmed with a basic set of instructions and precepts and axioms and what not so that they would all come to the same "right" conclusion on what to do in any given situation. Also that their trials and errors would be recorded and go into improving the heuristics of this code.

I don't really see anything hard to believe about a self-learning, self-adjusting hive mind other than one has never actually existed before (sci-fi!) whereas totalitarian dictatorships are well known by most everyone and existed in history and currently exist (sci-fi???).

So, in conclusion - fuck the Borg queen. On all levels. ;)

No pop, no style -- all simply (Viceroy), Thursday, 12 May 2011 04:17 (eight years ago) link

Squire of Gothos William Campbell just died btw

(my dad knew him as a youth in Newark)

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 May 2011 04:22 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QER_yqTcmjM

Princess TamTam, Thursday, 12 May 2011 09:14 (eight years ago) link

^

zingstreet (latebloomer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 22:47 (eight years ago) link

two weeks pass...

The other day, for no reason at all, I started thinking about that DS9 episode where it's revealed Ben Sisko was actually a crazy man in an asylum in the fifties(driven mad by RACISM!), scribbling stories about a space station on the walls of his cell. I really liked this at the time, it retrospectively adds an extra layer of PKD-style weirdness to the whole show. But I'm not surprised they didn't develop it any further, as I think if they went down that path it would be like pulling on the string that unravels the entire Trek universe. I mean, where do you stop with something like that? Is he writing ALL of it, even fucking Voyager?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lHgbbM9pu4

Pheeel, Sunday, 29 May 2011 10:58 (eight years ago) link

They went back to it at the beginning of S7. It's not that DS9 exists in Benny Russel's head. The first set of Benny Russell flashbacks are just visions the wormhole aliens sent Sisko bc they are not linear and they speak in metaphors, etc. When they revisit it in season 7, it's the evil worm hole aliens who send the vision to try to keep The Sisko from doing what he needs to do to defeat them and reopen the wormhole. Also it gives Avery Brooks a chance to chew the living hell out of the scenery. But there's no suggestion that they intended the DS9 universe to be a product of another character's imagination a la Bob Newhart was dreaming/Lost was in purgatory, etc.

phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Sunday, 29 May 2011 13:14 (eight years ago) link

I liked how Armin Shimmerman played a Communist (or so it is implied) in that dream-50s ep - of course he usually plays a Ferangi.

Duane Barry, Sunday, 29 May 2011 13:46 (eight years ago) link

As a kid, I was completely terrified by the episode where Riker is in an insane asylum. I've avoided it ever since.

forest zombie (Vasco da Gama), Sunday, 29 May 2011 13:55 (eight years ago) link

Ha, I loved that one!

Nhex, Sunday, 29 May 2011 14:06 (eight years ago) link

"But there's no suggestion that they intended the DS9 universe to be a product of another character's imagination a la Bob Newhart was dreaming/Lost was in purgatory, etc."

I read somewhere they were about to put in an endcap scene where he looks in the window and sees his true reflection as Benny, suggesting exactly that! But they backed out at the last second.

'I thought the idea of the Borg was that they were programmed with a basic set of instructions and precepts and axioms and what not so that they would all come to the same "right" conclusion on what to do in any given situation.'

That wasn't the Borg; that was RoboCop! And even then four directives were too much to handle.

Philip Nunez, Sunday, 29 May 2011 16:10 (eight years ago) link

The reflection scene was included in the first Benny episode.

Jeff, Sunday, 29 May 2011 16:27 (eight years ago) link

but then... that means... ....

Philip Nunez, Sunday, 29 May 2011 16:33 (eight years ago) link

The whole episode was ambiguous and open to interpretation. There was a lot of blurring of what was reality and what was vision, so it could be interpreted any which was you wish.

Jeff, Sunday, 29 May 2011 16:40 (eight years ago) link

Is DS9 worth watching all the way through? I gave up on it somewhere in the 2nd season in its initial run.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 29 May 2011 17:27 (eight years ago) link

somewhere after 2nd season it turned into a war opera, and it wasn't terrible, but some of the producer guys later did the battlestar galactica reboot and 24, and they kind of recycled a lot of the material from DS9 in it, so if you've seen the new BSG or Kiefer fighting terrorists, that's kind of what DS9 was. Fine enough as religious war epic, but religious war epic doesn't exactly embody Trek very well.

Philip Nunez, Sunday, 29 May 2011 17:44 (eight years ago) link

not to say that the spirit of Trek was totally absent -- there was a sub-arc about the Ferengi turning from a society of Reagan Capitalists to Al Gore-ian Socially Responsible Entrepreneurs.

Philip Nunez, Sunday, 29 May 2011 17:55 (eight years ago) link

lol nice. I've watched some BSG (S1) & enjoyed it, but not sure that I want to see the same themes played out at a Trekian pace.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 29 May 2011 18:19 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, BSG did war and politics much better, building on what was done in DS9. Still, DS9 ended up being my favorite ST series, even it does feel pretty dated now (though you can say that for pretty much all the ST series).

Nhex, Sunday, 29 May 2011 23:27 (eight years ago) link

DS9 is all the dark, murky stuff that Star Trek tried not to wallow in...thats why I love it. The opening face-off between Sisko & Picard never stops being awesome no matter how many times I see it, and I think sets the tone for the whole series.

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 29 May 2011 23:47 (eight years ago) link

Was it really Picard, or Locutus? (I don't know why I'm challenging anyone on this because I've never seen the early seasons of DS9.)

Doctoral Who (Leee), Sunday, 29 May 2011 23:52 (eight years ago) link

it was Picard.

DS9 is all the dark, murky stuff that Star Trek tried not to wallow in...thats why I love it. The opening face-off between Sisko & Picard never stops being awesome no matter how many times I see it, and I think sets the tone for the whole series.

OTM

phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Monday, 30 May 2011 00:30 (eight years ago) link

IIRC it was Picard shortly after he was unBorged, so he was really pissed off. Or maybe Sisko was pissed off bc Picard had something to do with the decision that led to Jennifer's death? Or both.

Benjamin Sisko is one of my favorite TV characters. I love him so.

phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Monday, 30 May 2011 00:31 (eight years ago) link

Sisko is the shit. Love him.

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 30 May 2011 00:35 (eight years ago) link

TS:
Sisko with hair, without goatee
vs.
Sisko with hair, with goatee
vs.
Sisko with no hair, with goatee

Doctoral Who (Leee), Monday, 30 May 2011 01:07 (eight years ago) link

no hair, goatee

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 30 May 2011 01:16 (eight years ago) link

sisko with fangs, sisko with glasses are the top siskos. but most of the time it's a pretty dull role.
weyoun, dukat have way more opportunities to ham it up.

Philip Nunez, Monday, 30 May 2011 01:19 (eight years ago) link

buffy tvs also did an episode where buffy might be in a mental institution. at the end of the episode it turns out she really was insane and that the rest of the series was the illusion. then they never mentioned it again.

that was hysterical. they did it just to piss off fanboys I think.

akm, Monday, 30 May 2011 02:04 (eight years ago) link

Well then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXWEM4gZhg4

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 20:47 (eight years ago) link

Bet that's not as good the Nimoy/Bad Brains video.

The Geir Can't Help It (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 20:49 (eight years ago) link

as good as

The Geir Can't Help It (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 20:49 (eight years ago) link

Youtube user kickslashspock

got a whole lotta gloves (snoball), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 21:00 (eight years ago) link

Sisko was one serious over-enunciator.

Kim, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 21:17 (eight years ago) link

Jeri Ryan interviewed on the latest Nerdist podcast

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 22:42 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

just laughed hard at the end of "the return of the archons", when kirk talks a civilization-controlling computer into self-destructing, peers at the smoking husk, turns to the confused and frightened guards (newly liberated from the hypnosis they were born into), says "well, you're on your own now; hope you're up to it", and beams up.

my Sonicare toothbrush (difficult listening hour), Friday, 22 July 2011 05:46 (eight years ago) link

earlier in the episode, while kirk is planning the coup, spock broaches the awkward subject of the prime directive and gets snapped at.

my Sonicare toothbrush (difficult listening hour), Friday, 22 July 2011 05:49 (eight years ago) link

Shatner has a TV special (he directed!) where he interviews the other ST captains. Would like to see it just for Patrick Stewart's panic.

http://tv.nytimes.com/2011/07/22/arts/television/william-shatner-in-the-captains-review.html

you call it trollin' i call it steamrollin' (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 July 2011 14:01 (eight years ago) link

would watch the shit out of that, although it's too bad he doesn't appear to interview them on his specially designed honesty couch.

my Sonicare toothbrush (difficult listening hour), Friday, 22 July 2011 14:08 (eight years ago) link

oh, man. that looks great. picard in his 70s and looking good!

watched some hour long interview between shatner and nimoy a year or two ago. netflix had on dvd at the time and it was called trek talk or something dumb like that. LOADS of batshit stuff but my fave part was when they were talking about how they fell out with some of the cast. guessing that was just shatner, not aware of any nimoy beefs.

anyway, shatner's theory was that these "minor" characters - who were never the focus of the show bc they weren't part of the big three (kirk, spock, bones, duh) - had their egos inflated by fans at conventions. they no longer recognized their place, essentially. yeah, that must be it, shatner!!!

original bgm, Friday, 22 July 2011 18:52 (eight years ago) link

Hearing the engineer’s story, Mr. Shatner says, has cured him of his long-standing embarrassment about playing Capt. James T. Kirk.

so embarrassed was William Shatner that he did it for 3 tv seasons, 1 animated spin-off, 7 films, at least 2 computer games i can think of etc etc

Once Were Moderators (DG), Friday, 22 July 2011 18:59 (eight years ago) link

It's so sad people remember Star Trek and not his serious acting work.

mh, Friday, 22 July 2011 19:00 (eight years ago) link

Nimoy had quite a rocky relationship w/ Roddenberry, it seems.

for best non-Kirk Shat role, I'd have to take Corman's The Intruder over Twilight Zone. (never saw Boston Legal... or The Brothers Karamazov!)

you call it trollin' i call it steamrollin' (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 July 2011 19:03 (eight years ago) link

shatner is supposed to have pushed for rewrites to keep the secondary parts small, no? uhura in particular (big surprise i guess) gets a line like once every four episodes.

my Sonicare toothbrush (difficult listening hour), Friday, 22 July 2011 20:22 (eight years ago) link

harlan ellison published his original version of 'the city on the edge of forever' which i picked up a while ago, mostly for the 100+ page preface wherein ellison recounts every beef he had with just about everyone involved with star trek; i've only skim read it for now but came across an episode where supposedly shatner went to see ellison ostensibly for social reasons but really to check out the script and count the number of his lines vs those of nimoy

Once Were Moderators (DG), Friday, 22 July 2011 20:59 (eight years ago) link

george takei was pretty scathing about shatner in his book, too.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 22 July 2011 22:01 (eight years ago) link

Yeah I read one of Shatner, Roddenberry, or Takei as a kid. Highly suspect it was Takei because my parents were more prone to buying me books written by non-whites. (I have some great jazz bios we could do on ilm.) I really, really strongly remember reading a book that talked shit about Shatner. Also it could have been Shatner's own book and maybe my interpretive skills were stronger as akid than I thought.

fields of salmon, Saturday, 23 July 2011 07:32 (eight years ago) link

Well yeah, I think just about EVERYONE except nimoy hated shatner. Guy seems insane!

original bgm, Saturday, 23 July 2011 22:33 (eight years ago) link

Damn, I don't think I was ready to see all the white in Avery Brooks's goatee. :(

I'm Not A Girl, Not Yet A Man Grown (Leee), Saturday, 23 July 2011 23:07 (eight years ago) link

The Sisco ages.

Jeff, Saturday, 23 July 2011 23:34 (eight years ago) link

just laughed hard at the end of "the return of the archons", when kirk talks a civilization-controlling computer into self-destructing

I believe that computer had a beard named "Landru" covering for him, playing at being some all-wise ancestral elder. When the ILX SA was a guy name Andrew I used to try to call him Landru every once in a while but it never caught on.

SuedeHOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 25 July 2011 01:14 (eight years ago) link

Also it could have been Shatner's own book and maybe my interpretive skills were stronger as akid than I thought.

Shatner's two Trek autobios are largely comprised of his ghostwriter interviewing the other actors at length about what a dick Shatner was, and then interviewing Shatner reacting in ruminative surprise at their resentments

Booger T. Jones (sic), Monday, 25 July 2011 01:27 (eight years ago) link

five months pass...

Whenever there's a website login checkbox for "Remember Me", I mentally hear/say Spock's "Remember" from The Wrath of Khan.

Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:54 (seven years ago) link

Avery Brooks, styling it up at conventions:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/AveryBrooksAtConvention_crop.jpg/524px-AveryBrooksAtConvention_crop.jpg

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:11 (seven years ago) link

If they ever want to make another Blade movie where Blade's dad shows up (like Connery/Ford in Last Crusade), then they know who to call.

insert 2012 appropriate display name here (snoball), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:13 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

If any of you enjoy Star Trek novels, I highly recommend the Destiny Trilogy.

Polly biscuit face (carl agatha), Monday, 16 April 2012 12:29 (seven years ago) link

Two seasons of Star Trek all at once:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS8OGMbj1kg

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:47 (seven years ago) link

Amazing how many of those are close ups on someone going "whuh?"

ILX uh-huh-uh uh-huh uh-huh BEEP BOOP BOOP BEEP (snoball), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:49 (seven years ago) link

this is like some acid flashback shit

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:49 (seven years ago) link

In the future we will watch every television show this way.

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:52 (seven years ago) link

/banaka

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:52 (seven years ago) link

whoa

(gonna treat it as a bingo card drinking game - take a shot if I get a full row/column of the crew all beaming up/down / being shaken out of their seats / Shatner being shirtless)

instant coffee happening between us (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 27 April 2012 19:37 (seven years ago) link

It's awesome at the end when the theme tune kicks in, just slightly out of sync, 56 times simultaneously.

ILX uh-huh-uh uh-huh uh-huh BEEP BOOP BOOP BEEP (snoball), Friday, 27 April 2012 19:39 (seven years ago) link

At about 2:35, in the bottom row, you see the Enterprise pass seamlessly from one pane to another!

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Friday, 27 April 2012 19:52 (seven years ago) link

this is amazing

original bgm, Friday, 27 April 2012 21:36 (seven years ago) link

the end credits part, specifically.

also dug the pre-end credits bit where you can watch 56 corny jokes being made at once.

original bgm, Friday, 27 April 2012 21:37 (seven years ago) link

like when Joan Collins' death destroys Captain Kirk?

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 21:42 (seven years ago) link

hah, that was actually the only example of a trek episode ending with something other than a corny joke that I could think of but I'm sure there are others

original bgm, Friday, 27 April 2012 21:47 (seven years ago) link

"let's get the hell out of here"

original bgm, Friday, 27 April 2012 21:48 (seven years ago) link

"forget.... forget..."

Philip Nunez, Friday, 27 April 2012 21:56 (seven years ago) link

I got 3 of the photobook graphic novel things when they were around. I assume that mint copies would be worth something these days. anybody know?
Though these have sat on a shelf for about 30 years so are probably a bit yellowed

Stevolende, Friday, 27 April 2012 22:30 (seven years ago) link

& maybe they were very heavily mass produced, just seen the prices Amazon has for them

Stevolende, Friday, 27 April 2012 22:41 (seven years ago) link

the gold key ones? i think the guide to use is overstreet in terms of what you can expect to pay for one, but i'm not sure it will reflect how much you can get for it.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 27 April 2012 22:44 (seven years ago) link

Fucking hell, I watched about ten minutes of the 56 episode Star Trek blipvert at full screen and I feel like I inherited Roky Erickson's brain.

Reality Check Cashing Services (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, 28 April 2012 00:45 (seven years ago) link

deleted goddamn

poxen, Saturday, 28 April 2012 05:04 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

So Leonard Nimoy posted this to his FB last night:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/601232_433501863336665_925751118_n.jpg

Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 June 2012 18:04 (seven years ago) link

TOS is pretty damn classic. The others may be good but the 60's one is just so stylish and cool and fun.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 18 June 2012 18:15 (seven years ago) link

I flipped out over TOS a few years ago after HATING it as a child. I've watched every episode and still tune in every Saturday night to watch the reruns on METV (it's Memorable Entertainment Television!). I've just started season one of TNG (which I also HATED as a child) and I am loving it, too. The first season is extremely faithful to the memory of TOS, i think. I know that it will eventually become less so, though.

Trip Maker, Monday, 18 June 2012 18:47 (seven years ago) link

Oh and that picture of Spock and Kirk is something else.

Trip Maker, Monday, 18 June 2012 18:48 (seven years ago) link

Jeff and I are making our way through TOS and it is challenging. It's just so damn sexist. But as a TNG/DS9/VOY superfan, I feel compelled to make sure I've seen all the originals, too.

carl agatha, Monday, 18 June 2012 19:48 (seven years ago) link

Always found the sense of camaraderie in TOS rather touching. Never got madly into anything after. I'll happily watch an episode of Next Gen, but I don't love it. Sorry to get snobby, but without the original iconic characters I'd rather read a good Space Opera novel.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 18 June 2012 20:19 (seven years ago) link

Next Gen = office in space

a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 18 June 2012 20:34 (seven years ago) link

it's okay and there are some very good episodes but the design/characters/pacing are all less engaging than TOS imho

a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 18 June 2012 20:35 (seven years ago) link

Oh and that picture of Spock and Kirk is something else.

Reminds me of that iconic lxor photo of young jw and ian looking like Lindsay Weir & Co.

Putting this here in case someone hasn't seen it:

TNG Season 8
@TNG_S8
Plots from the unaired 8th season of Star Trek: The Next Generation
http://twitter.com/#!/TNG_S8

mh, Monday, 18 June 2012 21:05 (seven years ago) link

Always found the sense of camaraderie in TOS rather touching. Never got madly into anything after. I'll happily watch an episode of Next Gen, but I don't love it. Sorry to get snobby, but without the original iconic characters I'd rather read a good Space Opera novel.

― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, June 18, 2012 8:19 PM (1 hour ago

back in the '70s david gerrold (who wrote the original 'tribbles' episode wrote something about all the things wrong -- logically, dramatically, and otherwise -- with the original series. all the way from things like 'too many episodes that end with fistfights' to 'the captain shouldn't be beaming down with the away team.' they 'fixed' all those things in TNG, which explains all those episodes where basically nothing happens and picard solves everything in the last 30 seconds by glaring indignantly at a screen.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 18 June 2012 21:39 (seven years ago) link

Sometimes I don't even think we are watching the same series.

Jeff, Monday, 18 June 2012 21:41 (seven years ago) link

picard solves everything in the last 30 seconds by glaring indignantly at a screen.

Yes, this is awesome.

Word of Wisdom Robots (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 00:52 (seven years ago) link

It's how I solve most of MY life's problems.

Word of Wisdom Robots (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 00:53 (seven years ago) link

that foto is shit hot

Impetuous hybrid (Matt P), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 01:01 (seven years ago) link

According to that Dave Gerrold book, every episode is awful except the one that he wrote

Stumpy Joe's Cafe (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 01:09 (seven years ago) link

It's how I solve most of MY life's problems.

Have Picard glare indignantly at them? Because I would pay for that problem solving service.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 02:12 (seven years ago) link

Replace "David Gerrold" with "Harlan Ellison," still true!

Julie Derpy (Phil D.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 02:27 (seven years ago) link

My first venture onto this thread: to answer the c/d as best I can. This series has given great pleasure to more people than Pamplamoose ever will. Somehow, this does not answer the question adequately. Perhaps, if I compared it to I Dream of Jeannie things would become clearer?

Aimless, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 02:33 (seven years ago) link

The awesomeness of Gene Rodenberry making TOS exist on 60's tv for so long cancels out any qualms I have wrt to Kirk's boneriffic explorations of other lifeforms. It's the frakking bomb, and I still get a lot of joy out of revisiting old episodes. And the remastered ones they were running on TBS looked fkning cool as hell.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 02:49 (seven years ago) link

Seems appropriate to post this here

http://io9.com/5919079/watch-an-animated-reinterpretation-of-the-orignal-star-trek-intro

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 02:50 (seven years ago) link

TNG is as adorable with its (stilted, talky) 90s idealism as TOS is with its (imperialistic, sexist) 60s idealism; i love watching both of them as the most optimistic dreams their respective cultures could muster. but when it comes down to it, if i'm watching a tv show about spaceships i'd rather have golden-age-sf Concepts featuring a fixed set of lovable cardboard adventurers than tv writers' character development. personal choice obv.

anyway one of my favorite kirk-being-o_O moments is in the "grups" episode where he is openly flirting with a 12-year-old and yeoman rand (i think it's yeoman rand?) says something about what's he doing with that girl and spock says "THAT 'GIRL' IS OVER THREE HUNDRED YEARS OLDER THAN YOU, YEOMAN. THINK ABOUT IT."

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 03:06 (seven years ago) link

(i know TNG starts in 87 but it feels so 90s. i started in 1987 too and i feel pretty 90s.)

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 03:10 (seven years ago) link

Kirk is just the man.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 03:13 (seven years ago) link

difficult listening hour otm, I like TNG in theory, but definitely its 90's datedness is less appealing than the 60's datedness of TOS.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 03:16 (seven years ago) link

Kinda think 60's have passed through so many retro phases and re-appropriations that more or less anything genuinely of that time just has a classic grace to it.

I read one Robert Anton Wilson book where he went on about how cool Spock was, that he was a modern version of the god Pan, subversively revealing occult secrets through groovy sci-fi TV trappings. Or something.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 03:19 (seven years ago) link

haha that's cool

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 03:19 (seven years ago) link

how cool is the episode where the greek gods turn out to be aliens. and they've all committed suicide from lack of worship. just let themselves break apart and drift away on the wind. how cool is that.

not that i want for a second to diminish the awesomeness of "resistance is futile... number one." i could watch that right now.

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 03:21 (seven years ago) link

TOS is almost unwatchable to me.

Jeff, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 03:25 (seven years ago) link

:(

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 03:27 (seven years ago) link

how come, Jeff?

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 03:27 (seven years ago) link

from Cosmic Trigger: p. 27

The greenish-skinned, pointy-eared man I saw in 1963 has appeared in the folklore of many cultures who do not even use peyote. He has been seen most frequently, in recent years, as a humanoid extraterrestrial in various flying saucer reports by alleged Contactees. And, in the late 1960s, he began to appear regularly on TV, known as "Mr. Spock" on the Star Trek show, and has remained on the tube ever since, despite frequent network attempts to cancel the show and get rid of him. The fans always insist on bringing him back, and now in 1977, as I write, "Mr. Spock" is scheduled to appear either in the first Star Trek movie or a revival of the series on TV. He is an image, or as Jung would say, an " a r c h e t y p e " that cannot be erased from the human mind.

By coincidence, in his guise as Spock, this pointy-eared godling has given us a slogan that has become widely used in correspondence among Immortalists-scientists dedicated to the search for longevity and eventual physical immortality. The slogan is, of course, "Live long and prosper." We have seen that slogan on letters from the Cryonics Society of Michigan, the Bay Area Cryonics Society, the Prometheus Society and other ImmortaUst groups. This "coincidence" will appear, possibly, to be more than a coincidence when we have examined further data . . .

under two illustrations:

Mescalito takes many forms in many myth-systems. Here he is as sketched from descriptions by American Indian shamans, as Peter Pan in a commercial advertisement, and as Mr. Spock on Star Trek. He is one of the most widely-reported denizens of Chapel Perilous and is known in dozens of shamanic traditions.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 03:30 (seven years ago) link

has appeared in the folklore of many cultures who do not even use peyote.

gonna start using this one

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 03:31 (seven years ago) link

wow, really need to pick that book up

Chris S, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 03:37 (seven years ago) link

how come, Jeff?

I tried to give it a chance and I do like the occasional episode (The Galileo Seven). I don't mind the production values, I suppose that is part of the charm. Obviously as Carl mentions, the sexism is a big part of it and how it is often explained away by saying it was a sign of the times, 60s, free love expression, etc etc. It was really after The Enemy Within that it because so off-putting, specifically the scene at the end with Spock and Yeoman Rand. From Memory Alpha:

Actress Grace Lee Whitney was very unhappy about the last scene of this episode, in which Spock asks Yeoman Rand, if "The imposter had some very interesting qualities, wouldn't you say, Yeoman?". In her autobiography, she wrote: "I can't imagine any more cruel and insensitive comment a man (or Vulcan) could make to a woman who has just been through a sexual assault! But then, some men really do think that women want to be raped. So the writer of the script (ostensibly Richard Matheson - although the line could have been added by Gene Roddenberry or an assistant scribe) gives us a leering Mr. Spock who suggests that Yeoman Rand enjoyed being raped and found the evil Kirk attractive!" (The Longest Trek: My Tour of the Galaxy, p. 95)

Certainly not the only occurrence. You find this stuff peppered throughout the episodes and it just gets tiresome. It's distracting.

Beyond that, I just find the pacing awful. Each episode drags, I check out much time is left and only 10 minutes has passed. It's boring. A lot of the stories could be interesting, but they are just killed by how they are drawn out. Maybe it will get better. I've seen many episodes, but we are only recently going through and doing a complete viewing of the seasons.

Jeff, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 (seven years ago) link

Which series was 'The Negron Complex' in?

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:56 (seven years ago) link

it's more an expression of thoughtless kennedyesque privilege than of free love. although i guess the miniskirts are the latter. re that dumb spock line (a particular shame in light of what i remember as a genuinely and deliberately creepy assault scene, where instead of Evil Kirk being an out-of-nowhere cackling villain he's just an undiluted expression of impulses we already know to be present in kirk, like his weakness for hitting on his subordinates) i guess all i'd say is that spock is not the most sensitive guy in general. (THINK ABOUT IT.) but then, granted, nor is anyone else. except bones. i bet bones would never say something like that.

there are a bunch of really boring episodes to me (although not really any more than in TNG) -- the one i remember really being interminable is "the alternative factor", where a guy they got at the last minute to replace john barrymore stops what seems like every forty-five seconds to clutch his head and listen to dramatic music while the colors go negative and the camera tilts back and forth in the single worst special effect in the entire series (parallel universes are intersecting, or something). it's particularly maddening if you're forcing yourself to watch every episode cuz the one right after it is "city on the edge of forever", which the fourth or fifth time the guy clutches his head seems impossibly far away.

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 14:16 (seven years ago) link

all Star Trek except TOS is of no interest to me. I watched about 3 eps of TNG and never even bothered with an entire episode of the others. The Picard-Kirk movie was pretty weak, particularly when Shatner wasn't around.

yes, the '60s, when men were men and space was Vietnam. Make allowances, and deal.

(I do remember that "interesting qualities" line cited by Grace Lee Whitney -- when I first saw the episode I was probably ten and didn't know what the hell it meant -- and obviously it's foul, but far from unique to Star Trek.)

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 14:31 (seven years ago) link

I don't know I've seen the entire series the whole way through, and I don't remember the names of a lot of the episodes I've seen (such a girl), but my favorite is definitely The Menagerie two-parter.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:12 (seven years ago) link

The thing with TOS vs TNG is that the bad TOS episodes are unwatchable. The bad TNG episodes can either be watched for laughs (the one where the entire crew de-evolve) or at least are competently made and acted (Farpoint).

Meet the G that Skrilled me... (snoball), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:19 (seven years ago) link

the worst TNG eps are really tedious and bad, and there's a lot of them.

Black_vegeta (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:23 (seven years ago) link

the bad TOS episodes are unwatchable

Like "Spock's Brain"? I differ.

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:24 (seven years ago) link

Spock's Brain is AWESOME! The bad TOS episodes can be watched for laughs too.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:26 (seven years ago) link

As a percentage there are fewer bad TNG eps than TOS eps. Most of TOS season 3 goes from 'I should care about this plot why exactly?' downwards.

Meet the G that Skrilled me... (snoball), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:26 (seven years ago) link

i just watched most of TNG - it's such a great series, so thoughtful and full of ideas and resolutely humanistic

brony ver (s1ocki), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:32 (seven years ago) link

i still can't believe they got away with making picard, and not another kirk figure, the series lead. a bald shakespearean pacifist with a french name!

brony ver (s1ocki), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:32 (seven years ago) link

Menagerie is awful!!! It's a clip show!!

Jeff, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:33 (seven years ago) link

great idea for an actual Starfleet captain; for a TV lead, not so much

xp

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:34 (seven years ago) link

it also always blows my mind how many ideas/stories they could fit into one 42-minute episode. sure there are some duds but think about how crammed a 22-episode season is, as opposed to the way shows are in the HBO era, where a storyline is stretched out over a whole season

brony ver (s1ocki), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:34 (seven years ago) link

Fwiw, DS9 is my favorite series. Followed closely by TNG. They are essentially 1a and 1b for me.

Jeff, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:34 (seven years ago) link

xxxp It's a clip show of an episode that never aired!

Julie Derpy (Phil D.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:35 (seven years ago) link

(xps) It's a pretty good clip show. For a start, there's a lot more to it than two characters sitting in a room saying "oh do you remember when X happened?".

Meet the G that Skrilled me... (snoball), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:35 (seven years ago) link

great idea for an actual Starfleet captain; for a TV lead, not so much

xp

― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:34 AM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you just admitted you only watched a handful of episodes

he's a totally original character and at his best, an electrifying performer

brony ver (s1ocki), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:35 (seven years ago) link

xxpost >:( Menagerie is NOT awful. you're a clip show.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:36 (seven years ago) link

It took the clips from the boring pilot and made me watch them again. Damn you star trek.

Jeff, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:37 (seven years ago) link

mystified that anyone could stan for TNG as being LESS boring than TOS. feel like the former has way more instances of boring tehcnobabble where nothing happens for 40 minutes

xp

a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:37 (seven years ago) link

sounds like my wedding night!

brony ver (s1ocki), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:37 (seven years ago) link

xxp It took the awesome bits from the mostly boring pilot and made them watchable by putting some more awesome stuff around them.

Meet the G that Skrilled me... (snoball), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:38 (seven years ago) link

It blows my mind how 10 or 12 shows is now considered an HBO "season." Wimps and their "quality."

I believe original Star Trek did 26 shows a year, not 22? In the '50s, the norm for a series was 39.

As for The Menagerie, it was just a way to use 95% of the original pilot, with a wraparound.

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:38 (seven years ago) link

Even with a dull episode of TOS you can at least marvel at all the pretty colors.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:38 (seven years ago) link

has way more instances of boring tehcnobabble where nothing happens for 40 minutes

No that would be Voyager.

Meet the G that Skrilled me... (snoball), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:39 (seven years ago) link

if you really are bored of the technobabble, i have something for you

(i forgot i did this)

https://vimeo.com/33635230
pw: crusher

brony ver (s1ocki), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:39 (seven years ago) link

OG crew > TNG crew, because the OG crew never had a Wesley Crusher or a Commander Riker or a Deanna Troi

I enjoy both shows tho

Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:40 (seven years ago) link

TOS seasons 1 & 2, 26 episodes each. Season 3 had 24 episodes.

Meet the G that Skrilled me... (snoball), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:40 (seven years ago) link

Menagerie uses a clip show to tell Captain Pike's story and it's great HARRUMPH

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:41 (seven years ago) link

OG crew > TNG crew, because the OG crew never had a Wesley Crusher or a Commander Riker or a Deanna Troi

I enjoy both shows tho

agree with this

a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:41 (seven years ago) link

don't you dare talk shit about riker

brony ver (s1ocki), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:42 (seven years ago) link

I don't remember TNG as being so slow in the 90s, but it's amazing to watch at 1.5x speed

hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:47 (seven years ago) link

I'm a doctor, not a fast-forwarder

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:48 (seven years ago) link

lol

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:50 (seven years ago) link

lolling at "you're a clip show" btw

Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:50 (seven years ago) link

same

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:50 (seven years ago) link

flexing my rhetoric muscles itt, lol

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:52 (seven years ago) link

I believe original Star Trek did 26 shows a year, not 22? In the '50s, the norm for a series was 39.

Not only that, but there were several more minutes of show than there are now. I think there were only 8-9 minutes of commercials in an hourlong back then.

Julie Derpy (Phil D.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:55 (seven years ago) link

Each TOS ep is just over 50 mins.

Meet the G that Skrilled me... (snoball), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:56 (seven years ago) link

Riker used to annoy the hell out of me (he's such a relentless poonhound) but he's grown on me over the years. A few nights ago we watched the season four ep where he's living undercover among people about to develop warp technology and he gets captured and this nurse is like, "I'll let you go, but you have to bone me first" and Riker's just like, "rmde okay, lady, let's go." Which I like to read as a parody of his earlier (and Kirk's) horndoggery around sexy aliens.

(I also like how in Voyager they turned the Handsome Rogue into a smitten family man and let the nerdy Chinese guy be the (varyingly successful) ladies man.)

carl agatha, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:56 (seven years ago) link

yeah it's so great that they made the kirk character the second-in-command who basically spends half the time barking out the orders picard can't be bothered to

brony ver (s1ocki), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:57 (seven years ago) link

Episode generator
http://www.bargaintuan.com/sttngplotgen/

Meet the G that Skrilled me... (snoball), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:00 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vcCojlE9AQ

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:03 (seven years ago) link

once TNG gets rolling it can be pretty good, but the first season is so fucking awful. it's just episode after episode of numbing incompetence, albeit with a few memorable camp moments here and there. it makes for a tough contrast with TOS where the first season was the best.

(i know TNG starts in 87 but it feels so 90s. i started in 1987 too and i feel pretty 90s.)

― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Monday, June 18, 2012 11:10 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

boy do i disagree! TNG is as 80s-to-the-core as magnum PI. well it's probably more accurate to say that the 80s seasons are super 80s-y; by the end of the run it does feel like a very 90s show. but i mean look at these guys:

http://i.imgur.com/ZYRvj.jpg

just offscreen: an orange julius and a theater showing beverly hills cop ii

plus the smug new age touchy feeliness that is the show's foundation just reads california, 1980s to me

TNG was god to me when i was a kid but now i greatly prefer TOS. TNG's brand of humanism seems deeply creepy and fucked up now, the enterprise and its crew often come off like a megachurch in space. TOS was possessed of a more hotblooded brand of utopianism that feels more human to me, and also lends itself to drama much more naturally. plus the characters are way better and i find it more aesthetically appealing, especially the colorful expressionist art direction.

Black_vegeta (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:29 (seven years ago) link

A lot of early TNG badness is pretty much recycled TOS badness, so it's kind of strange to compare them because they are the same badness!
later TNG badness was more like Twin Peaks badness. It was basically Twin Peaks in space during the low moments.

Horny club-handed nurse was LIlith from Cheers! Kirstie Alley was supposed to reprise Saavik role in that Frasier cameo at the end of Yesterday's Enterprise but that never happened. TNG has aged better than Cheers, I think. If you listen to the Borg battle in First Contact, you can hear Frazier on the com traffic.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 18:28 (seven years ago) link

Horny club-handed nurse was LIlith from Cheers!

Ah! I thought she looked familiar!

carl agatha, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 18:33 (seven years ago) link

cheers has aged super well imho

brony ver (s1ocki), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:08 (seven years ago) link

ive actually been watching both a lot lately thanks 2 netflix

brony ver (s1ocki), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:08 (seven years ago) link

there's this really bad teaser that starts off great. everyone explains to woody what this one far side cartoon means. it's pretty funny to hear people try to explain far side cartoons, and you realize there could be just an entire tv series where people just sit around explaining far side cartoons. but, the writers have kind of written themselves into a corner, so woody gets mad for really no good reason at all, except lazy writing.

also really terrible: carla is upset that her nephew or someone is going to be named benito mussolini. that's the major plot! how do they resolve this? they name the kid benito mussolini.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:18 (seven years ago) link

the teaser where lilith stuffs her whole fist into her mouth is pretty great, but the closest this series comes to "city on the edge of forever" is that episode where Norm has existential nightmares about his job firing people.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:22 (seven years ago) link

Never really watched much of TOS but I got a lot of love for TNG, sure it's no less cornball than TOS in general, but some of the episodes are seriously intense & determined, in particular the headfuck episodes like Frame of Mind and Remember Me are just awesome. Any TOS episodes that might push similar buttons?

Jesu swept (ledge), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:33 (seven years ago) link

that weird alien avatar that kid clint howard used to scare kirk will give you nightmares forever, if that's what you were looking for:
http://static.flickr.com/72/154780386_ae28500d09.jpg

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:51 (seven years ago) link

That is SO AWESOME!

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 23:33 (seven years ago) link

oh man, I used to always have to look away when that popped up at the end of the credits

Chris S, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 23:43 (seven years ago) link

and yet still not as frightening as his true form

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 23:57 (seven years ago) link

Loved when Futurama did their big Trek episode, and then did the closing credits in the style of TOS.

http://theinfosphere.org/images/thumb/7/7b/Kifbalok.jpg/180px-Kifbalok.jpg

Julie Derpy (Phil D.), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 00:26 (seven years ago) link

William Burroughs VIII

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 00:48 (seven years ago) link

"They say... that wrinkled earlobes are a sure sign of... wait a minute, I don't have any earlobes."

Meet the G that Skrilled me... (snoball), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 07:14 (seven years ago) link

"When I became captain of the Fesarius, I decided to extend asylum to certain citizens who were persona non grata elsewhere in the area on account of their disquieting and disgusting habits."

Meet the G that Skrilled me... (snoball), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 07:15 (seven years ago) link

Replace "David Gerrold" with "Harlan Ellison," still true!

If Theodore Sturgeon had written a Trek memoir, by my calculations he would have liked seven episodes apart from the one he wrote

Stumpy Joe's Cafe (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 June 2012 02:17 (seven years ago) link

never really watched trek growing up, was sci-fi skeptic in general really, knew and enjoyed some of the movies, caught a few episodes of tng when it was on and somehow got the impression that as it was 'actually' good it was 'actually' better than tos. watching tos now via netflix/amazon i can see that i was RONG. i'm still very early in just yet but so far of the ensemble that make up the core in the movies (ie NOT yeoman rand, which really feels like this dark secret my trekkie friends have kept from me over the years) are really great, when the writing or plot is subpar they really carry it thru and when you actually get a great episode like the one i just watched 'mudds women' it raises it to another level, nimoy is fantastic which is no surprise but what has surprised me is just how great shatner is on this, can't believe now that 'who is the best captain' is even a discussion.

balls, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 03:28 (seven years ago) link

otm

contenderizer, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 03:54 (seven years ago) link

TNG was god okay to me when i was a kid teen, but now i greatly prefer TOS. TNG's brand of humanism seems deeply creepy and fucked up now, the enterprise and its crew often come off like a megachurch in space. TOS was possessed of a more hotblooded brand of utopianism that feels more human to me, and also lends itself to drama much more naturally. plus the characters are way better and i find it more aesthetically appealing, especially the colorful expressionist art direction.

― Black_vegeta (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, June 19, 2012 9:29 AM (1 week ago)

this too

contenderizer, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 03:56 (seven years ago) link

wait, mudd's women was one of the clunkers. it's kind of messed up on a lot of levels but the conclusion makes no sense at all. the only worse ending that comes to mind is the one where spock goes, "oh i'm not blind after all, i have an extra eyelid that I forgot about BECAUSE VULCANS ARE SO GOOD AT FORGETTING STUFF"

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 04:15 (seven years ago) link

what has surprised me is just how great shatner is on this, can't believe now that 'who is the best captain' is even a discussion.

― balls, Tuesday, July 3, 2012 3:28 AM (1 hour ago)

yeah for sure -- don't wanna spoil in case you haven't seen it yet but shatner is especially good in 'city on the edge of forever,' and the last few minutes of that episode is the single most shattering moment in ST history. nothing in TNG or any of the movies (except maybe end of wrath of khan) really touches that for me.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 04:51 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toG6aSQFF7Y

Black_vegeta (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 05:14 (seven years ago) link

mudd's women for me feels like the first one i've seen so far where the show is fully formed and confident, sulu's on the bridge and not just some oddball hobbyist, spock is less of an outsider asshole they feel the need to mock w/ song, villain is actually charismatic and somewhat surprising, no yeoman rand. nice tension between the crew also, scottie reminds of so many old boiler techs i knew in the navy, this general sense of 'fuck everybody who doesn't actually make this ship go and i'm who actually makes this ship go', his exasperation w/ the situation here keeps popping up here to the point that kirk finally actually snaps at him. i also really liked that my 'wtf these women aren't even that attractive' is addressed in the story!

balls, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 10:33 (seven years ago) link

Mudd's Women is an atrocity.

We're almost through the first season of TOS and I've found that the episodes I like the best are the ones with few or no women in them. Return of the Archons had a great story, but it went completely off the rails when Kirk talked the computer to death. I also really liked The Devil in the Dark. But I'm pretty tired of Kirk's smug moralizing about the essential nature of "man" at the end of most of the episodes.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 12:40 (seven years ago) link

Also that whole "relentlessly sexist" thing, which is why I prefer eps w/out women. Then I don't have to deal with soft focus tight shots of their faces, or stripper music while a crew member leers at them, or soft tinkling music while a crew member falls in love with them, or the tired tired TIRED plotline of "beautiful woman is really ugly, tricks crew into popping boners for her," or yet another plot line that revolves around a woman who is supposedly a scientist completely throwing her professionalism out the window because she gets wind of a dude in a pair of tight pants, putting the crew into grave danger, because women! Amirite, dudes??!?!?! Just ugh. Endless ugh.

FYI the actor who played Yeoman Rand developed a huge drinking problem and stopped appearing in the show after awhile.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 12:44 (seven years ago) link

! I never knew that was what happened to her!

I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 12:51 (seven years ago) link

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Grace_Lee_Whitney

carl agatha, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 12:52 (seven years ago) link

Hey guys you should never watch the Sean Connery 007's.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 13:24 (seven years ago) link

Patrick McGoohan pwns pwns PWNS Connery & TOS on pretty much every level. There's some really good TOS episodes though, but stuff like Mudd's Women is like last episode of LOST territory. Does Kirk even get to do a flying jump kick in it?

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 15:15 (seven years ago) link

Majel Barrett >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grace Lee Whitney

your petty attempt at destroying me is laughable (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 15:50 (seven years ago) link

That's an unfair comparison because Majel Barrett is the best.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 15:52 (seven years ago) link

what kinda amazed me when i watched space seed (original khan episode) was how i almost preferred it to st2... khan is such an interesting manipulative character, way more intriguing than in the movie (where he still rules)

funny-skrillex-bee_132455836669.gif (s1ocki), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 17:31 (seven years ago) link

i love the scene in that episode where kirk tricks him into sort've revealing who he is, and instead of getting angry like your standard villain khan just smiles and murmurs, 'excellent...excellent.' like he's so thrilled at having a worthy adversary at last.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 17:34 (seven years ago) link

totally. it's kinda more intriguing to me than the movie's roaring bad guy (who, like i said, still rules)

funny-skrillex-bee_132455836669.gif (s1ocki), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 17:36 (seven years ago) link

love mudd's women, balls otm. TOS is often more interesting for the characters and chemistry than for the ideas and storytelling, and mudd's women is one of the episodes that gets by on the former (though yeah, sexism).

contenderizer, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 17:42 (seven years ago) link

Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan is just so well done, so well paced, and so classic in every way. Space Seed is good but TWOK is just miles away better than any other Star Trek product. Khan as a character may be fleshed out better in the TOS but some of his line readings of the film are just godlike.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 4 July 2012 03:42 (seven years ago) link

i love it when he goes KHANNNNNN

funny-skrillex-bee_132455836669.gif (s1ocki), Wednesday, 4 July 2012 04:34 (seven years ago) link

Kirk does land a flying jump kick in space seed. just sayin.
Balance of Terror? (the one with spock's dad as romulan captain) is a pretty good if you want to see submarine battle in space a la wrath of khan.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 July 2012 05:51 (seven years ago) link

'i, of course...remember you.'

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 4 July 2012 05:59 (seven years ago) link

they're still running with shields down.

of course! we are one big happy fleet!

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 4 July 2012 08:00 (seven years ago) link

allow me to introduce you to the only remaining... indigenous life form of ceti alpha v.

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 4 July 2012 08:02 (seven years ago) link

i don't know you. but you... i never forget a face.

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 4 July 2012 08:04 (seven years ago) link

(even faces that did not appear in the original episode)

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 4 July 2012 08:04 (seven years ago) link

Return of the Archons had a great story, but it went completely off the rails when Kirk talked the computer to death.

i posted about this upthread i think but the end of this episode made me lol so hard when kirk just blows up this computer that's been controlling the entire civilization for a million years or whatever, and his idea of postrevolutionary support for the terrified and confused people whose lives he's just fundamentally disrupted (in an unusually egregious violation of the prime directive) is to just say "HOPE YOU'RE UP TO IT" and beam away blithely. which reminds me of another one: "admiral kirk... never sent anyone to check on our progress."

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 4 July 2012 08:12 (seven years ago) link

"You are in a position to demand nothing. I, on the other hand, am in a position to grant nothing."

Julie Derpy (Phil D.), Wednesday, 4 July 2012 11:21 (seven years ago) link

"I'll chase him round the Moons of Nibia, and round the Antares Maelstrom, and round Perdition's flames before I give him up! "

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 4 July 2012 13:38 (seven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Anybody else going to this? http://www.startrek.com/article/tng-25th-anniversary-movie-event-tonight

I'm pretty excited.

ms. cookie (carl agatha), Monday, 23 July 2012 22:07 (seven years ago) link

sold out, bummer

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 23 July 2012 23:23 (seven years ago) link

I object to you. I object to intellect without discipline. I object to power without constructive purpose.

balls, Wednesday, 25 July 2012 23:34 (seven years ago) link

Hard to argue with Picard

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 26 July 2012 05:12 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2012/al11/al112012.discus.020.shtml

TROPICAL STORM KIRK DISCUSSION NUMBER 20
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL112012
1100 AM AST SUN SEP 02 2012

KIRK IS NOT EXPECTED TO LIVE LONG AND PROSPER. VISIBLE SATELLITE
IMAGES AND A 1214 UTC ASCAT PASS INDICATE THAT THE SYSTEM STILL HAS
A CLOSED CIRCULATION BUT IT IS BECOMING ELONGATED. MAXIMUM
RELIABLE WINDS IN THE ASCAT PASS WERE AROUND 45 KT SO THE INITIAL
WIND SPEED IS HELD AT THAT VALUE. KIRK WILL LIKELY BECOME
POST-TROPICAL LATER TODAY OR DISSIPATE JUST BEFORE IT MERGES WITH A
FRONT THAT IS CURRENTLY LOCATED ABOUT 200 N MI TO ITS WEST.

fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 07:58 (seven years ago) link

http://screenrant.com/star-trek-captain-worf-tv-show-michael-dorn/

Chris S, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 08:28 (seven years ago) link

"Perhaps today is a good day to die have your show cancelled mid-season."

Ich fart auf der Zug (snoball), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 08:30 (seven years ago) link

https://www.google.com/

No, really.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 September 2012 16:34 (seven years ago) link

:D

the best part is getting it to play through to the credits

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 September 2012 16:39 (seven years ago) link

never knew "City on the Edge" used Mayberry sets!

http://io9.com/5941608/10-things-you-probably-didnt-know-about-star-trek-the-original-series

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 September 2012 01:06 (seven years ago) link

Two things I'd be interested in re: Worf.

1. Return of the Donna Karan?
2. After 15+ years as Worf, is he *still* going to search for the right word whenever he means to say something is without....... HONOR?

Ultramega OK Cupid (Leee), Monday, 10 September 2012 01:11 (seven years ago) link

I guess the Klingons have 200 words for honor, so he searches for a few "near" alternatives to the one he means in case we have a different word for any of them?

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 September 2012 06:46 (seven years ago) link

Well, universal translator, but Mr. Woof was brought up by hew-mans (Russian Jews, in fact), so as fanwank, that's actually really good!

Ultramega OK Cupid (Leee), Monday, 10 September 2012 16:35 (seven years ago) link

The Rozhenkos were Jewish? DId Worf have a Batleth Mitzvah?

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 06:06 (seven years ago) link

what's klingon ritual suicide called? you have to do that now philip.

the late great, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 06:20 (seven years ago) link

Not canonically Jewish (err), but I had this compendium that said that the actors playing his parents were big on the Yiddish stage and the writers tried to play that up (details are a bit foggy).

Ultramega OK Cupid (Leee), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 15:47 (seven years ago) link

Peter David agrees:

"Young Worf Rozhenko turned to face his parents. They were so beaming with pride... What was the word he'd heard his foster mother use? K'Velling. It sounded vaguely Klingonese, but his mother insisted it was some ancient tongue called Yiddish. "

David, Peter. Worf's First Adventure (Star Trek: TNG: Starfleet Academy). New York: Pocket Books (1993); pg. 2.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 22:43 (seven years ago) link

oh man, Peter David writing Star Trek is maybe a thing I don't need to experience

your naïve bacon (mh), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 22:53 (seven years ago) link

dude has written dozens of Trek novels and years of comics

┐(´ー`)┌ (sic), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 00:03 (seven years ago) link

oh, I know and... I have avoided it thus far, and that snippet reminds me that I don't need the backstories for my television and movie characters

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 00:07 (seven years ago) link

Perhaps today IS a good day to kvetch!

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 00:11 (seven years ago) link

I'm watching original series "A Private Little War". The Russian/Klingon thing is usually a good, thoughtful socio-/political commentary. With fist fights, lasers, and 60's pop futurist design thrown in for good measure. Classic science fiction at its best imo.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 00:42 (seven years ago) link

In the first minute or so Kirk is talking like a hippie. Sometimes in these you get the feeling Kirk is searching the stars for the right planet to settle down and retire.

It's always "This place is wonderful! It's like the Garden of Eden." and then as soon as they arrive shit just keeps hitting the fan.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 00:46 (seven years ago) link

http://startrekreview.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/tmmugato.jpg

The guy who designed Mega Man must have been a fan of Star Trek.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 00:47 (seven years ago) link

Wow Spock and Kirk are both nearly dead in this one i wonder if they make it out alive?

http://www.scifibabes.co.uk/images/nonanancykovack.jpg

Who's going to Burning Man?

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 00:50 (seven years ago) link

http://www.starshadow.net/war13.png

Spock has green blood.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 00:52 (seven years ago) link

They ended up actually talking about Vietnam, and it ended on a real down note, but had some very intelligent criticism about that whole thing.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 03:31 (seven years ago) link

Hey, lookit that, you can watch the whole ep online:

http://www.startrek.com/watch_episode/TWrIDKPOVz18

Amazon has it downloadable for two bucks american

http://www.amazon.com/A-Private-Little-War/dp/B000HR3ZO4

and the wiki: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/A_Private_Little_War_(episode)

The original writer of this episode, Don Ingalls, put the pseudonym Jud Crucis on it after Gene Roddenberry rewrote it. Ingalls' original contained many more overt Vietnam analogies than what finally appeared. According to Allan Asherman's The Star Trek Compendium this script referred to Apella as a "Ho Chi Mihn-type" and the tribesmen wearing Mongolian clothes. Though friends with Roddenberry since their days as LAPD officers, Ingalls did not like the changes, and the pseudonym was his wordplay on "Jesus Crucified."

The original script called the creature a "gumato", but DeForest Kelley kept saying it wrong, so it was changed. The credits still retain the original name. Stock footage of the White Rabbit's footprints from "Shore Leave" were used for the mugato prints.

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 03:54 (seven years ago) link

Perhaps today IS a good day to kvetch!

lol.

Ultramega OK Cupid (Leee), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 03:57 (seven years ago) link

I guess the Klingons have 200 words for honor, so he searches for a few "near" alternatives to the one he means in case we have a different word for any of them?

― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, September 9, 2012 11:46 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

loved this

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 10:35 (seven years ago) link

hew-mans and our lack of a nuanced sense of honor

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 14:18 (seven years ago) link

TNG Season 2 Episode 2: Where Silence has Lease. The Enterprise is stranded in a dimensionless void. Another Federation ship appears, and Riker and Worf beam over. But the ship is deserted, and things are not what they seem...

Riker: Let's get to the bridge. There's got to be an answer to all of this somewhere.
Riker: This bridge should be four decks above us - what's going on here?
Worf: That's not where we came from
Riker: Wait a minute...
Worf: Two bridges?
Riker: If we go through there, where will we be?
Worf: On the bridge!
Riker: But we are on the bridge.
Worf: It's up to you sir.
Riker: Let's see what happens.
Worf: Is it the same bridge?
Riker: Or did we step from one bridge... onto another bridge?

AAAAH STOP SAYING BRIDGE!

ledge, Friday, 14 September 2012 08:52 (seven years ago) link

This is how I feel, when I hear the word, 'ledge', now.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 14 September 2012 11:00 (seven years ago) link

Where's that confounded bridge?

nickn, Friday, 14 September 2012 23:28 (seven years ago) link

Netflix has all the original Star Trek episodes available. I am watching them for the first time ever right now. I just got done with the salt monster elisode, and now I'm watching "Charlie X." My, it's goofy. "Is that... a GIRL?????"

Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 15 September 2012 23:45 (seven years ago) link

Did we ever do a ballot poll of all Trek episodes?

Claudia Schiffer Kills Frog (Leee), Thursday, 20 September 2012 16:02 (seven years ago) link

And if not, should we?

Claudia Schiffer Kills Frog (Leee), Thursday, 20 September 2012 16:03 (seven years ago) link

I have definite opinions on that. I would even go so far as to do a ranked ballot lol

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 September 2012 16:11 (seven years ago) link

(says the guy who owns DVD collections of all three seasons)

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 September 2012 16:12 (seven years ago) link

#1 MUDD'S WOMEN
#2 I, MUDD
#3 - #79 everything else

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Thursday, 20 September 2012 16:14 (seven years ago) link

Plato's Stepchildren would be my #1, easy

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 September 2012 16:19 (seven years ago) link

Poll would get me to actually sit down and watch TOS.

Claudia Schiffer Kills Frog (Leee), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 01:07 (seven years ago) link

okay can we get a show of hands of those who would actually vote in a ballot poll for TOS...?

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:42 (seven years ago) link

Only if I can give every episode -5 points.

Jeff, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:45 (seven years ago) link

I definitely would vote.

a great poke for Jet Set Willy (snoball), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:46 (seven years ago) link

I would. Give me an excuse to rewatch a bunch of TOS.

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:47 (seven years ago) link

what would you think about having a "most underrated" episodes poll? it seems like a top TOS episodes listing is settled law by now?
"city on edge of forever", "the one with mark lenard as kirk's worthy romulan rival" etc...

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:47 (seven years ago) link

I watched all those shows to death in '70s syndication; no time for rewatching/reevaluation, so you'd be stuck with 14-year-old me.

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:55 (seven years ago) link

star trek poll that polls every series' episodes + movies would be interesting. subpolls of fave captain, fave guest villain, etc.

balls, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:58 (seven years ago) link

Not just TOS, I'm envisioning ALL series (inc. TAS) and movies.

Claudia Schiffer Kills Frog (Leee), Thursday, 27 September 2012 02:21 (seven years ago) link

I dont really know if i could vote, cos i haven't seen all the episodes, and just about every new one I catch is "I love this show!" so id have a real rough time picking out a favorite.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 27 September 2012 20:28 (seven years ago) link

I think maybe separate polls for TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT might be better?

a great poke for Jet Set Willy (snoball), Thursday, 27 September 2012 20:29 (seven years ago) link

these were the top 10 from a viewer's choice thing -- do you guys envision ilx results to differ that much?

"Balance of Terror"
"A Piece of the Action"
"The Menagerie, Part I"
"The Menagerie, Part II"
"Space Seed"
"Amok Time"
"The Doomsday Machine"
"Mirror, Mirror"
"The City on the Edge of Forever"
"The Trouble with Tribbles"

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 27 September 2012 20:33 (seven years ago) link

"A Piece of the Action" is a really weird choice, ST doing a comic version of a Corman gangster movie.

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 September 2012 20:40 (seven years ago) link

The menagerie is a clip show!!!!!! Why people why.

Jeff, Thursday, 27 September 2012 20:43 (seven years ago) link

>:(

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 September 2012 20:44 (seven years ago) link

maybe they just wanted to vote for the cage twice

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 27 September 2012 21:04 (seven years ago) link

no, it's a padded pilot. plus there's lotta great stuff in The Cage.

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 September 2012 21:09 (seven years ago) link

'the menagerie' is not a clip show -- it was a clever way to use footage from an unaired pilot. the producers had no way of knowing that anyone would ever see 'the cage.'

plus it is an awesome episode, way better than just the pilot on its own.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 27 September 2012 21:34 (seven years ago) link

Bakdndowndi7:$:@/)

Jeff, Thursday, 27 September 2012 21:34 (seven years ago) link

#*&%^%@#$@#$@!!!!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 September 2012 21:37 (seven years ago) link

majel barrett is kinda no-nonsense proto-ripley first officer in the cage.
or i guess proto-riker...

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 27 September 2012 21:57 (seven years ago) link

TNG Season 2 finale, though...now there's a clip show.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 27 September 2012 22:58 (seven years ago) link

Haha that was just on regular tv over here! Riker relives all his amorous conquests and moments of violence - and it's called "Shades of Grey"! Also the source for this classic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck-VIA1GUCY

Autumnal the faun (ledge), Thursday, 27 September 2012 23:12 (seven years ago) link

if the cage had been picked up, i wonder what 2nd season majel barrett would have been like with a beard.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 27 September 2012 23:36 (seven years ago) link

Is the feeling that doing one poll, with about 80 episodes for TOS, and 170+ for TNG, DS9, and Voyager, too much to handle?

Claudia Schiffer Kills Frog (Leee), Friday, 28 September 2012 01:25 (seven years ago) link

Too much. Should be seperate polls. And if they were combined all you yahoos would just vote for TOS episodes anyway.

Jeff, Friday, 28 September 2012 01:28 (seven years ago) link

Not me! Mine would be all Neelix episodes.

Claudia Schiffer Kills Frog (Leee), Friday, 28 September 2012 01:32 (seven years ago) link

you could do a best multi-series arc poll (a set of episodes that span multiple series but have some kind of major continuity)
(e.g. trouble with tribbles TOS episode + the DS9 episode where they go back into time to the trouble with tribbles TOS episode,
mirror mirror TOS + tholian web TOS + the mirror mirror Enterprise episode)

Philip Nunez, Friday, 28 September 2012 01:33 (seven years ago) link

Xpost Tuvix, FTW!

Jeff, Friday, 28 September 2012 01:34 (seven years ago) link

i am TOS-exclusive, fools

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 September 2012 01:38 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m8g7y7jsos

Philip Nunez, Friday, 28 September 2012 01:42 (seven years ago) link

^ the best of both worlds

Autumnal the faun (ledge), Friday, 28 September 2012 09:09 (seven years ago) link

four weeks pass...

A new greatest thing ever: Fashion It So

http://sttngfashion.tumblr.com/

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 October 2012 01:54 (seven years ago) link

Those people are doing the lord's work.

carl agatha, Friday, 26 October 2012 01:57 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

I've been unwinding watching TNG from the start. These early episodes are often just hilarious.

I had a whole lot of chuckles watching this one.

http://sttngfashion.tumblr.com/post/781297224/justice-1-08

earlnash, Monday, 24 December 2012 08:39 (six years ago) link

Yeah, we've been trolling through Netflix picking out the good'uns. It stands up a lot better than I was expecting.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 24 December 2012 10:33 (six years ago) link

Although holy shit, I just read that blog post.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 24 December 2012 10:36 (six years ago) link

Highly recommend their post for Haven, too.

We got the remastered series on disc for an early Xmas gift and have been rewatching S1, too. As much as I'm enjoying it (although often for camp reasons bc wow first season is campy as hell), I feel like the show doesn't really get settled until Beverly comes back and Riker has a beard, so looking forward to S3.

carl agatha, Monday, 24 December 2012 14:41 (six years ago) link

okay how do i not remember that episode AT ALL

packt like phoebe cates's dad in a chimney (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 24 December 2012 14:49 (six years ago) link

Justice is my fav s1 episode.

Jeff, Monday, 24 December 2012 15:28 (six years ago) link

http://sttngfashion.tumblr.com/post/16579148074/haven-1-11

carl agatha, Monday, 24 December 2012 17:19 (six years ago) link

Haha that "Justice" episode.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 24 December 2012 18:18 (six years ago) link

shit was DEEP

If I was a carpenter, and you were a douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 24 December 2012 18:23 (six years ago) link

TNG is so good

Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Monday, 24 December 2012 22:15 (six years ago) link

Got to say as I go more through season 1, the series highly improved in the second half of the first season.

earlnash, Saturday, 29 December 2012 06:44 (six years ago) link

"if there's grass on the field, play ball" is my TNG rule of thumb, as applies to riker's face

Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Saturday, 29 December 2012 07:36 (six years ago) link

"A code of honor.... protects one, Captain... like a MAGIC. CLOAK."

"Then you shall have NO treaty, NO vaccine, and NO LIEUTENANT YAR!!"

"As you can see, Captain, you may excel in technology... but NOT in civilized behavior."

Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 30 December 2012 01:14 (six years ago) link

good christ I turned on an episode of this from season 3 today and witnessed some alien giving Troi a foot massage.

akm, Sunday, 30 December 2012 03:27 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

I love when Patrick Stewart and Jonathan Frakes hug. And Michael Dorn and Jolele Blalock are both so cute with their giggles.

carl agatha, Friday, 15 February 2013 20:21 (six years ago) link

YES

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:23 (six years ago) link

the hugs are my favorite

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:24 (six years ago) link

Esp because Frakes is like like six inches taller. And three times hairier.

carl agatha, Friday, 15 February 2013 20:42 (six years ago) link

not sure if ive mentioned i know where Capt Picard lives

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:45 (six years ago) link

Do you ever see him???? How do you resist the urge to run up and give him a Jonathan Frakes-esque hug?

carl agatha, Friday, 15 February 2013 20:46 (six years ago) link

bcz i watched his show twice, and was left cold?

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:47 (six years ago) link

morbs ;_;

twice is not enough

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:50 (six years ago) link

Right, sorry. I forgot who I was talking to for a second.

carl agatha, Friday, 15 February 2013 20:54 (six years ago) link

"I know where capt Picard lives" my favorite weird al song

Philip Nunez, Friday, 15 February 2013 20:57 (six years ago) link

everyone knows where he lives http://files.myopera.com/alexs/albums/364100/NCC-1701-D_3.jpg

zero dark (s1ocki), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:57 (six years ago) link

saucer-shaped Brooklyn condo

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 February 2013 21:05 (six years ago) link

i only saw Stewart once on a men's room line in a Broadway theatre (major DON'T SPEAK TO ME vibes), and wished i got the urinal next to his so i could say "Make it so, No 1.'

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 February 2013 21:08 (six years ago) link

no dude that's when you say EARL GREY. HOT.

:)

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 February 2013 21:09 (six years ago) link

"I've brought down bigger men than you, Picard!"
http://www.durfee.net/startrek/images/TNG195.jpg

Philip Nunez, Friday, 15 February 2013 21:25 (six years ago) link

good stuff everyone

fields of salmon, Sunday, 17 February 2013 01:52 (six years ago) link

Never seen Picard, but I was in a small crowd with Frakes, Nichols, et al at 40th anniversary Trek convention. My brother's Klingon metal band played up in the Space Needle at that. I met a green Orion slave girl, got her #, and had coffee and donuts with her the next morning. Good times!

Nate Carson, Sunday, 17 February 2013 04:46 (six years ago) link

TNG is the perfect show to watch before bed

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 17 February 2013 07:21 (six years ago) link

xp - Stovokor?

carl agatha, Sunday, 17 February 2013 13:45 (six years ago) link

For the longest time, I've always heard (and probably still hear) Justine Frischmann singing something about Stovokor in "Connection."

Margaret Vegemite Sanger (Leee), Sunday, 17 February 2013 19:58 (six years ago) link

http://www.thepensivecitadel.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/crazyeyes.jpg

Gowron is one of my favorite minor recurring characters in Star Trek. I just wish I could get my eyes to go like this whenever someone tells me some b.s. at work.

earlnash, Monday, 18 February 2013 01:31 (six years ago) link

like this dude

http://troll.me/images/ancient-aliens-guy/im-not-saying-it-was-aliens-but-it-was-aliens.jpg

only on slightly different substances

The New Jack Mormons! (kingfish), Monday, 18 February 2013 05:49 (six years ago) link

"You will die, slowly..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwRXPSJL7E4

earlnash, Monday, 18 February 2013 06:04 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

unemployment = starting voyager, lol with me friends.

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 23:16 (six years ago) link

say it ain't so

I, rrational (mh), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 23:21 (six years ago) link

our roommate Pat was watching a later episode last night and i want to be able to watch it w him.
i need to finish DS9 too.
and then.. babylon 5.

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 23:30 (six years ago) link

hulu has some sort of best-of Trek playlists right now

I, rrational (mh), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 23:34 (six years ago) link

Mr Veg & I got free tickets to see the screening of the remastered fancified TNG: THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS on April 25th

:D
:D
:D

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 23:55 (six years ago) link

We're going too. Of course we're going.

Jeff, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 23:59 (six years ago) link

omg i want to go to that but i dunno if i can buy tickets at this pt in time :\

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 23:59 (six years ago) link

I kind of like Voyager! Janeway and Tuvok are badass.

carl agatha, Thursday, 4 April 2013 00:38 (six years ago) link

yeah, the characters are pretty solid! It got a bit soap opera-ey but there are some solid bits

I, rrational (mh), Thursday, 4 April 2013 00:47 (six years ago) link

yeah this doesn't seem so bad at all

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Thursday, 4 April 2013 00:54 (six years ago) link

How bad is Enterprise?

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 4 April 2013 01:03 (six years ago) link

the opening theme song kind of sets the tone for how bad enterprise gets. the mirror 2 parter was fun, fan-fictiony action though.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 4 April 2013 01:08 (six years ago) link

haha, i always forget that one even exists -- sorta like that sitcom lucille ball did in the '80s. i wonder how many new ST shows they thought they could get away with. crazy to think that if TNG had lasted just one more year there would've been three ST series on the air at the same time.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 4 April 2013 01:11 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsExp2ebB4s
good sneaky opening, too

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 4 April 2013 01:12 (six years ago) link

There is a pretty great two-parter in Enterprise, and a few other select episodes. Unfortunately, the good two-parter consists of the second- and third-to-last episodes

I, rrational (mh), Thursday, 4 April 2013 01:22 (six years ago) link

Philip otm about mirror universe being fun, though

I, rrational (mh), Thursday, 4 April 2013 01:23 (six years ago) link

Enterprise started out not as terrible as the theme song, but I lost interest after the first season. Mr Veg watched it all the way through, and ranted a lot about the rewriting of key ST canon but he mostly was okay with it.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 4 April 2013 01:55 (six years ago) link

Sometimes when I am feeling feisty and either really drunk or hungover and self-loathing (mostly the latter) I will sing a heavily inflected version of the Enterprise theme song at my cat to spite his existence

I, rrational (mh), Thursday, 4 April 2013 01:58 (six years ago) link

Watched First Contact recently and was struck by the absurdity of humanity progressing from savages to space travel to RUNNIN THIS SHIT in the course of 200 years when the Vulcans etc. had been doing it so much longer.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 4 April 2013 01:59 (six years ago) link

holy shit, the Enterprise theme song sounds like it was appropriated from a failed WB adult drama of that era.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 4 April 2013 02:00 (six years ago) link

it's been one of my great joys in life to sing that theme song to Mr Veg at random times throughout our marriage

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 4 April 2013 02:00 (six years ago) link

I loooooooooove how cheesy and terrible it is. It makes me so happy.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 4 April 2013 02:00 (six years ago) link

200 years is a long time, technologically-speaking, and the vulcans don't really lend well to running shit. just ain't logical.

I, rrational (mh), Thursday, 4 April 2013 02:00 (six years ago) link

IT'S BEEN LOOOOONG ROAD
GETTIN FROM THERE TO HERE

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 4 April 2013 02:00 (six years ago) link

CAUSE I'VE GOT FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAITH OF THE HEART

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 4 April 2013 02:01 (six years ago) link

btw the theme song to Enterpise is written by Diane Warren, the same songwriter that brought us the theme song to Armageddon (as performed by Aerosmith)

I, rrational (mh), Thursday, 4 April 2013 02:01 (six years ago) link

it could only have been made better if she'd have teamed up with Desmond Child and sent into Cher JUST LIKE JESSE JAMES territory. but that would have been too much awesome for one theme song.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 4 April 2013 02:05 (six years ago) link

apparently she has written eighty billion songs, most with a similar sentiment or tone:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_written_by_Diane_Warren

this is the worst fucking opening of any fucking star trek series, ever

I, rrational (mh), Thursday, 4 April 2013 02:06 (six years ago) link

btw she wrote that Cher song, assuming you knew that, but stating it for others in the audience who have no idea wtf it is

I, rrational (mh), Thursday, 4 April 2013 02:06 (six years ago) link

it's bad, but in a really awesome way. let's be clear.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 4 April 2013 02:11 (six years ago) link

The thing about Enterprise is that Scott Bakula is terrible in it.

carl agatha, Thursday, 4 April 2013 02:49 (six years ago) link

Half of his delivery is as stilted as a middle school thespian giving sincere, over enunciated first line readings of the drama club's fall production of Our Town.

carl agatha, Thursday, 4 April 2013 02:51 (six years ago) link

All ST series are worthy of watching all the way though. Except for the original series.

Jeff, Thursday, 4 April 2013 02:51 (six years ago) link

did you hear the throwaway line in the Abrams ST movie where they implied Scott teleported Bakula's character's dog into oblivion

I, rrational (mh), Thursday, 4 April 2013 03:02 (six years ago) link

*Scotty

I, rrational (mh), Thursday, 4 April 2013 03:02 (six years ago) link

Porthos noooo! He was my favorite character on Enterprise.

carl agatha, Thursday, 4 April 2013 03:08 (six years ago) link

well, they said a beagle and he was "Commander" Archer, so unless dog lifespans have significantly advanced, it was probably Porthos 2

I, rrational (mh), Thursday, 4 April 2013 03:10 (six years ago) link

that spock lady's catsuit got a bit much after the initial O_O wore off

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 4 April 2013 03:10 (six years ago) link

AllNo ST series are worthy of watching all the way though. Except for the original series.

― Jeff, Thursday, April 4, 2013 2:51 AM (2 hours ago)

fixed.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 4 April 2013 05:23 (six years ago) link

the engineer on enterprise is pretty good

the show's not terrible

the late great, Thursday, 4 April 2013 05:42 (six years ago) link

Definition of disappointment: the little leap in my brain when I see "Star Trek" while channel hopping and then the fall when I see ": Enterprise".

riverrun, past Steve and Adam's (ledge), Thursday, 4 April 2013 08:54 (six years ago) link

I can't remember the theme to Enterprise, when I try to think of it I just get I DON'T WANNA WAIT. FOR OUR LIIIIVES TO BE OVEEEEER.

Voyager was my ST show of choice back when it was on and I was passing into and through my teens, when I've seen it more recently good GOD is it ever boring.

a similar stunt failed to work with a cow (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 4 April 2013 09:00 (six years ago) link

enterprise theme changed, didn't it, between seasons? think it was jel, late of this parish, that pointed this out. both were awful.

voyager had some great standalone episodes. enterprise fell into the time-travel trap, backwards and forwards until all but the kind of fanboys that take notes during episodes couldn't keep up with it.

koogs, Thursday, 4 April 2013 09:07 (six years ago) link

If it changed, it changed from awful song to another awful version of the same awful song.

I remember when it first aired and being pretty psyched about it and the theme song coming on and Jeff and I just looking at each other like, "What the fuuuuuck is this shit?" Anyway, I agree that overall it's not terrible, but I probably spent equal time making fun of it as just watching it. I mean, who the fuck comes to a brand new planet and just plops down in a runabout and lets his idiot Beagle run wild, shitting invasive new bacteria all over the place? The runabout lifts off, screen says "Three months later...," and the planet is a barren wasteland.

carl agatha, Thursday, 4 April 2013 12:46 (six years ago) link

tbf, Star Trek seems to assume that bacterial epidemiology ain't no thang once you discover warp drives.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 4 April 2013 13:47 (six years ago) link

Enterprise made a big deal about decontaminating everybody coming back on the ship. I think a couple of episode A stories were about people nearly dying in the decon chamber. But that was obviously a ploy to have somebody rub blue gel all over T'Pol's mostly naked body.

carl agatha, Thursday, 4 April 2013 14:33 (six years ago) link

xp panspermia hypothesis reduced down to a small dog taking a leak all over loads of planets

Will you see a political publicity stunt? (snoball), Thursday, 4 April 2013 14:35 (six years ago) link

carl agatha has a good understanding of the scriptwriting dynamic of early Enterprise right there

I, rrational (mh), Thursday, 4 April 2013 15:16 (six years ago) link

I stopped watching it when it originally aired because I couldn't cope with all that sexist claptrap. I mean, 7 of 9 was totally T&A fanservice but she was a great character with awesome backstory and a nice development arc and I don't recall her spending a lot of time in her underwear. When we eventually watched the whole show, I felt like the Tucker/T'Pol love interest sub plot offered some context for all of the decon gel massages happening, and T'Pol's character development (despite Jolene Blalock confusing "stoic" for "mumbling all her lines") gave her more depth, but it was still pretty bad.

carl agatha, Thursday, 4 April 2013 15:22 (six years ago) link

But that was obviously a ploy to have somebody rub blue gel all over T'Pol's mostly naked body.

And Trip's mostly naked body.

Jeff, Thursday, 4 April 2013 15:24 (six years ago) link

Also, lol @ the Vulcan neuro pressure sessions because trip couldn't sleep. And T'Pol in her ridic pajamas.

Jeff, Thursday, 4 April 2013 15:26 (six years ago) link

I'm sure that made some people very happy.

http://mahlia.id.au/me/entandportraittattoos03.jpg

xp haha yes, her fucking mid-riff pajama tops. Wtf, T'Pol, those are not logical.

carl agatha, Thursday, 4 April 2013 15:27 (six years ago) link

Half of his delivery is as stilted as a middle school thespian giving sincere, over enunciated first line readings of the drama club's fall production of Our Town.

Bakula was doing Dubya

four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 4 April 2013 15:40 (six years ago) link

That tattoo makes the Enterprise look like it was put in a microwave for 30 seconds

urine for a treat (latebloomer), Thursday, 4 April 2013 17:52 (six years ago) link

Have any of you watched the "Phase II" stuff?

reading about it now, that sounds kind of awesome!

never knew about the original 'phase ii' series that they were going to make in the '70s, kinda sorry they never filmed any of that.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 6 April 2013 22:43 (six years ago) link

How are the books? Still see tons of 'em, some by writers good in non-Trek contexts.

dow, Saturday, 6 April 2013 23:31 (six years ago) link

Watched a little bit of two of the Phase II episodes on Youtube. The acting and the way the dialogue was recorded are both kind of questionable, but the sets and effects are pretty cool and definitely look like The Original Series. Think some of the scripts were later adapted for The Next Generation.

They even put the old NBC peacock logo at the beginning as if it were 1966 all over again.

And short blackouts where the commercials would have gone.

As well as guest appearances by various actors who appeared in memorable roles in TOS.

How are the books? Still see tons of 'em, some by writers good in non-Trek contexts.

I love the relaunch novels so much - http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Relaunch_Novels_-_Timeline.

I skipped around at first (Destiny trilogy - amazing, and a couple about the Department of Temporal Investigations, which were fun) then started reading from the beginning (up to Hollow Men now) and I'm a huge fan.

carl agatha, Sunday, 7 April 2013 03:29 (six years ago) link

Gonna send u questions some day

I, rrational (mh), Sunday, 7 April 2013 05:23 (six years ago) link

Me? Okay! I will answer them.

carl agatha, Sunday, 7 April 2013 10:39 (six years ago) link

I remember reading in '77-78 that there was going to be a revived ST series, but had no idea things got so far along.

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 7 April 2013 12:53 (six years ago) link

I think only two of these New Voyages scripts came from the original Phase II project the rest are new. They had an old Norman Spinrad script they tried to film but permission was yanked.

Watched this one last night, "Enemy: Starfleet!" and it was pretty good, featuring Kirk's girlfriend from "Mirror, Mirror" in a big role.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-ncYhAlbAw

Just watched this one, "World Enough And Time" and it was awesome. All kinds of classic TOS tropes touched on and a great big part for George Takei as Sulu.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4TC5wl0IzE

OK, just tried to watch the animated series as well with all of the original cast except Walter Koenig, whose character was replaced by some kind of alien, but I couldn't get past the cheesy visuals, plus the music was all wrong, cop-show baritone sax stuff.

The guy who plays Kirk in New Voyages/Phase II who bought the TOS costumes and blueprints, built the sets and made it all happen is also an Elvis impersonator. He is basically some kind of alien himself from the Vic Tayback planet of copycats.

Which means he has done something else incredible- wait for it- he has met both D J and D C Fontana.

Episode with Walter Koenig reprising Chekhov not as good.

two weeks pass...

Best of Both Worlds screening tonight!

:D
:D

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma1034FAnc1qij1b6o1_500.gif

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 25 April 2013 23:56 (six years ago) link

Carl and I are waiting for it to start!

Jeff, Thursday, 25 April 2013 23:57 (six years ago) link

Now Jeff and I are waiting for them to fix the picture. :(((((((

carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 00:28 (six years ago) link

We got 12 minutes in and the video hiccuped then went to a Dish Network screen. Now there is a packed theater full of restless Star Trek nerds waiting to see what happens next.

carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 00:29 (six years ago) link

Also there's a lot of people in this theater who are way too casual about the frequency with which they launder their clothes.

carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 00:30 (six years ago) link

Not me. Since you wash my clothes.

Jeff, Friday, 26 April 2013 00:31 (six years ago) link

yipes i hope that doesnt happen to us!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 April 2013 01:46 (six years ago) link

They cancelled it. :( So bummed you guys.

They tried to give us vouchers for another movie! Vouchers! That is not of equal value. (I waited in line for a refund instead.)

carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 01:50 (six years ago) link

That suuuuuucks!

brad palsy (Jon Lewis), Friday, 26 April 2013 02:30 (six years ago) link

wouldn'tve happened with reel film.

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 April 2013 02:53 (six years ago) link

No, that specific thing would not have happened with reel film, that is 100% true.

carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 03:09 (six years ago) link

a crime to watch tng off celluloid really

the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Friday, 26 April 2013 03:13 (six years ago) link

We saw this. After drinks. I appreciated the interviews and bloopers.

mh, Friday, 26 April 2013 04:02 (six years ago) link

Ours worked...sorry Carl & Jeff that blows!

We left before the bloopers...I didnt care about that as much as the show itself which looked RAD

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 April 2013 04:20 (six years ago) link

God help me I love the bloopers. It's embarrassing how hard they make me laugh. I blame early exposure to America's Funniest Home Videos.

This just means we'll need to pony up for the remastered season 3 DVDs ASAP. Then I can watch all the TNG whenever I want without having to smell somebody's dirty laundry. Hmph.

carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 12:15 (six years ago) link

I'm glad this issue was limited to that stupid theater where we were, though!

carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 12:15 (six years ago) link

psst carl check yr email

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 April 2013 16:27 (six years ago) link

I did nothing is happening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 16:33 (six years ago) link

i sent it via yr ilx email

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 April 2013 16:34 (six years ago) link

It's like last night all over again.

Try carlagathaparty at gmail.

carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 16:35 (six years ago) link

Netflix has made me into quite the budding TNG Trekkie - at the end of season three now. I see I am in good company.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 26 April 2013 16:40 (six years ago) link

xpost okay NOW check your email

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 April 2013 16:41 (six years ago) link

I DID I GOT IT OMG

carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 16:51 (six years ago) link

ffm, imo, Best of Both Worlds kicks is where the series really gets its bearings. There are some... interesting choices in S1 and 2, 3 gets better, and 4 is where it turns into an amazing show.

Also when you finish TNG, do check out DS9. VG will back me up on that one.

carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 16:53 (six years ago) link

DS9 YESYESYES

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 April 2013 16:54 (six years ago) link

but yeah, season 3 TNG and after is much better than the first 3 seasons

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 April 2013 16:55 (six years ago) link

We're rewatching DS9 now for kicks, actually. So good. Benjamin Sisko is so amazing. I love how Avery Brooks plays him as such a weirdo sometimes. He's just weird enough that make him really believable and relatable. And sometimes hilarious.

(One ep in particular that we just watched is the one where a remnant of the Cardassian security system on the station thinks there's been a worker revolt and Sisko's response when SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT he averts the warp core breach is just perfect.)

carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 17:03 (six years ago) link

I love most of what I've seen so far but I am a campy, silly individual. Looking forward to S4!

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 26 April 2013 17:06 (six years ago) link

i've been re-watching DS9 too, but in a strange move for me I have begun to watch VOYAGER. and i like it! kind of a lot? I haven't gotten very far into it, but I am down.

TNG is my fave for all time i think.

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Friday, 26 April 2013 17:07 (six years ago) link

best is to watch Best Of Both Worlds and follow up with episode 1 of Deep Space Nine

Sisko pwning Picard is my single favorite moment ever. So badass. From that moment on, I was on the Sikso train.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 April 2013 17:11 (six years ago) link

I don't know. That scene was like seeing my parents fight, if my parents were two badass starship captains. It definitely lets you know off the bat that DS9 is going to be different from other Star Treks since they were released from the constraints of being unable to talk bad about the Federation.

ffm, as a campy, silly individual, you will at least enjoy the S1 DSP episode "Move Along Home." That rivals TNG S1 for some smdh moments.

ian - I like Voyager, too!

carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 17:22 (six years ago) link

"Move Along Home" nearly put me off ds9. much worse than i remembered.

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Friday, 26 April 2013 17:35 (six years ago) link

Allamaraine, count to four,
Allamaraine, then three more

carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 17:47 (six years ago) link

next you guys are gonna be all into critically re-evaluating Enterprise...

four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 26 April 2013 17:52 (six years ago) link

what's that supposed to mean

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 April 2013 17:55 (six years ago) link

it means Voyager is terrible

four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 26 April 2013 17:56 (six years ago) link

Shut up.

carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 18:20 (six years ago) link

:D

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 April 2013 18:22 (six years ago) link

We are midway through tng season six right now, so deep in the hole of tng love. Have NEVER rly seen ds9 so p psyched to get to that too.

Btw GNP crescendo just announced they are putting out a remastered & expanded cd of Ron Jones' completely awesome orchestra/synth hybrid score for BOBW in the next month or so. The rest of Jones' tng music got released in a giant box set from the FSM label a few years ago but GNP retained the rights to BOBW only. I'm rly glad it's coming out bc GNP's old BOBW cd has pretty crappy sound quality.

brad palsy (Jon Lewis), Friday, 26 April 2013 18:50 (six years ago) link

mr veg just emailed me a clip of Jones' score - the 'Engage' sequence from the cliffhanger. So glorious.

and yeah, the score sounded wonderful last night

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 April 2013 18:53 (six years ago) link

the s1 ds9 episode where odo and troi's mom are stuck in an elevator and odo needs to get back to his bucket is pretty hilarious

original bgm, Friday, 26 April 2013 18:59 (six years ago) link

We all need to get back to our buckets sooner or later

mackleless (latebloomer), Friday, 26 April 2013 19:17 (six years ago) link

^^^ rule of shape-shifting #37

original bgm, Friday, 26 April 2013 19:21 (six years ago) link

Odo looks so gross when he's about to liquefy.

Btw GNP crescendo just announced they are putting out a remastered & expanded cd of Ron Jones' completely awesome orcestra/synth hybrid score for BOBW in the next month or so.

That's awesome. I love the TNG eps that he scored.

carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 19:37 (six years ago) link

Wait, better to say: I love his music for TNG.

carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 19:38 (six years ago) link

That Ron Jones TNG box set is on Spotify, btw.

carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 19:45 (six years ago) link

I don't even like Star Trek but the other night I spent about an hour trying to persuade someone of the flawed value of its communist utopianism, and for that I blame this thread.

the kind of man who best draws girls' eyeballs (Merdeyeux), Friday, 26 April 2013 19:48 (six years ago) link

then you DO like stark trek

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 April 2013 22:01 (six years ago) link

?

star trek

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 April 2013 22:01 (six years ago) link

Yeah the Ron jones box is also avail on emusic iTunes etc in addition to spotify. I am particularly fond of the music for 'night terrors' and 'Data's Day' right now...

brad palsy (Jon Lewis), Friday, 26 April 2013 22:35 (six years ago) link

Kai Winn. What a JERK. I love her.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 02:50 (six years ago) link

Actually I hate her, but I love what an excellent villain she is.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 02:51 (six years ago) link

xp

HARD CUT to lights blinking on computer console, PULL BACK to REVEAL this thread entering Custos territory

go cray cray on my lobster soufflé (snoball), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 15:13 (six years ago) link

Ok is there a good point for starting with DS9 once you've watched the pilot?

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 15:17 (six years ago) link

that your nickname for slate now?

we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 15:40 (six years ago) link

Ok is there a good point for starting with DS9 once you've watched the pilot?

― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, May 15, 2013 3:17 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

S1E1? I mean, there's some o_O eps in the first season, but they lay the foundation for the major story arc from the beginning so I think it's worth dealing with the occasional Move Along Home to get that grounding in the series overall.

carl agatha, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 15:42 (six years ago) link

"miri"'s so heavy. DID YOU EVER SEE ONE OF THEM NOT CHANGE?

the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Friday, 24 May 2013 04:21 (six years ago) link

a lot of slow stuff at the beginning of DS9, but some good stuff too. you've committed to watching a 7-year series, sit in for the long haul

Nhex, Friday, 24 May 2013 19:23 (six years ago) link

We're back up to season 4 on our second rewatch of DS9. Still great.

Jeff, Friday, 24 May 2013 20:44 (six years ago) link

I'm not a fan of ds9 but this episode is awesome:
http://youtu.be/v9NozYjzorE

Philip Nunez, Friday, 24 May 2013 20:49 (six years ago) link

I love that one. Many people don't because Sisko really does some scenery chewing in it.

Jeff, Friday, 24 May 2013 20:56 (six years ago) link

7 years is nothing, i just hit year 14 in my complete law & order rescreen

j., Friday, 24 May 2013 20:56 (six years ago) link

TONIGHT... my wife and I run out of episodes of TNG :(

It has been so awesome. Psyched to start DS9 though as I skipped it totally when it was originally running.

We should do a TNG episodes ballot poll...

2 huxtables and a sousaphone (Jon Lewis), Friday, 24 May 2013 21:04 (six years ago) link

did you recognize any tng/ds9 actors on law & order out of makeup?

Philip Nunez, Friday, 24 May 2013 21:07 (six years ago) link

the end of tng is the best part!

i only watched trek when i was an adolescent, so it's been a long time. i suppose i notice the main cast when they pop up.

j., Friday, 24 May 2013 21:18 (six years ago) link

I could watch Avery Brooks chew scenery all day.

carl agatha, Friday, 24 May 2013 21:22 (six years ago) link

Oh and TNG ep ballot poll would be pretty awesome.

carl agatha, Friday, 24 May 2013 21:22 (six years ago) link

I think Darmok would top mine but idk.

2 huxtables and a sousaphone (Jon Lewis), Friday, 24 May 2013 21:33 (six years ago) link

Worf's gf being Marshall's mom on HIMYM has been my favourite discovery to date. Only in s4 of TNG, happy to have so much left myself.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 24 May 2013 23:32 (six years ago) link

whaaaaaaaaaaaat???? never made that connection

Nhex, Friday, 24 May 2013 23:45 (six years ago) link

Arrrgh s4 is so great

2 huxtables and a sousaphone (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 25 May 2013 00:18 (six years ago) link

xp yup! Judy Ericsson in a skin tight body suit: so weird.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Saturday, 25 May 2013 00:25 (six years ago) link

This actress later married bobcat goldthwait
http://starwrecked.com/contents/celebs/large-pics/Nikki-Cox-as-Sarjenka-Star-Trek-TNG-Pen-Pals-6.jpg

Philip Nunez, Saturday, 25 May 2013 02:58 (six years ago) link

Ha, no kidding.

Best of Both Worlds would be my top TNG ep.

carl agatha, Saturday, 25 May 2013 02:59 (six years ago) link

That one with Chopin, the flute playing, and the roll-out MIDI keyboard is fucked.

Call the Cops, Sunday, 26 May 2013 19:46 (six years ago) link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lessons_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)

There is about 20 minutes of crappy flute playing up in that bitch.

Call the Cops, Sunday, 26 May 2013 19:47 (six years ago) link

Penny whistle, though! The musical aspects were lol but I loved that episode.

2 huxtables and a sousaphone (Jon Lewis), Sunday, 26 May 2013 22:31 (six years ago) link

Whats the one with the poker game where thy keep blowing up? That's good, that one

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 27 May 2013 11:58 (six years ago) link

I saw that flute-whistle-whatevs thing on late-night TV and I though I was dreaming. Did dig it too though, don't get me wrong.

Call the Cops, Monday, 27 May 2013 13:23 (six years ago) link

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cause_and_Effect_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)

The production team had hoped to get Kirstie Alley in a cameo role behind Kelsey Grammer in the USS Bozeman shots, reprising her role as Lt. Saavik from the movie Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, but her asking price was too high for such a small role.[1]

Hockey Drunk (kingfish), Monday, 27 May 2013 13:29 (six years ago) link

They could have got the other saavik cheaper I'd bet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPoqNeR3_UA

Call the Cops, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 10:34 (six years ago) link

I just burst out laughing when I saw the "HD Version" link in the YouTube window.

fields of salmon, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 20:53 (six years ago) link

They could have got the other saavik cheaper I'd bet

Even better, re-cast the part with Shelley Long

Panaïs Pnin (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 21:18 (six years ago) link

That is my kind of humour!

Call the Cops, Thursday, 30 May 2013 08:05 (six years ago) link

Guys DS9 is kind of rough going. I mean it's picking up a bit... we just watched episode 5. IDK I guess TNG was kind of chore for the first several episodes too. Avery Brooks' line reading style takes a lot of getting used to. He's a really strange, mannered actor, especially in that opening two-parter.

2 huxtables and a sousaphone (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 30 May 2013 16:03 (six years ago) link

it gets watchable much more quickly than TNG. if you could suffer through the first two seasons of TNG, you can get through the first two of DS9

Nhex, Thursday, 30 May 2013 16:03 (six years ago) link

It helps that there's a novelty alien every 5 minutes to look at.

2 huxtables and a sousaphone (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 30 May 2013 16:04 (six years ago) link

you will learn to love the Sisko

Nhex, Thursday, 30 May 2013 16:26 (six years ago) link

you better >:(

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2013 16:33 (six years ago) link

sisko rocks. he's totally weird but that's a big part of his charm. have you seen his segment in captains where he answers shatner's questions with jazz piano?

original bgm, Thursday, 30 May 2013 16:36 (six years ago) link

No but now I'm looking forward to it!

2 huxtables and a sousaphone (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 30 May 2013 16:40 (six years ago) link

sisko is really bland compared to dukat, weyoun, garak. You can see Avery brooks really come to life on the few outings where they do something different than just "constantly irritated bureaucrat."

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 30 May 2013 17:19 (six years ago) link

what i can't even

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2013 17:21 (six years ago) link

Sisko is not bland that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

That said, Dukat, Weyoun, and Garak are fucking amazing.

I've enthused about the DS9 relaunch novels before on this thread, but they provide some great insight into Garak's character that is making our rewatch of the series even more delightful.

carl agatha, Thursday, 30 May 2013 17:24 (six years ago) link

Dukat is just such a perfect balance of charming, smarmy, and utter sociopath.

carl agatha, Thursday, 30 May 2013 17:26 (six years ago) link

that time sisko went undercover as a Klingon, there was this look in the actor's eyes like "finally I get to do something fun!"
there's a line later where he goes "I'll miss those fangs" -- I think that's brooks talking, not just sisko

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 30 May 2013 17:27 (six years ago) link

smdh

carl agatha, Thursday, 30 May 2013 17:27 (six years ago) link

Andrew Robinson is a brilliant character actor, Garak is awesome.

but yeah. I don't even understand *how* Sisko is bland. I'm confused over what you could possibly want from that character that Avery Brooks does not bring.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2013 17:28 (six years ago) link

If I had the time and skill and wherewithal, I would make a supercut of Avery Brooks' more astounding moments of scenery chewing and general weirdness re: his delivery of certain lines (one in particular is in an, I think, mirror universe episode (or as we like to call them Kira Wears a Headband episodes) where he changes command codes and when MirrorKira finds out, he throws up his hands and says, "Ha HA! I changed it!" in a way that defies description) and I would probably watch it like, every day.

carl agatha, Thursday, 30 May 2013 17:34 (six years ago) link

One interesting thing they could have done was make him less duty-bound.
Like have him more actively rebel against obligations to star fleet and being a messiah.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 30 May 2013 17:35 (six years ago) link

"In the Pale Moonlight"

carl agatha, Thursday, 30 May 2013 17:35 (six years ago) link

Mirror sisko was great but that just underlines how regular sisko is a bland anchor character

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 30 May 2013 17:36 (six years ago) link

Quark is kind of vexing, he's sort of played for the usual scoundrel lols but then it's like 'hi your work for hire dancer contract stipulates you must also fuck me' which is kind of like, oh i see he's a total piece of shit?

2 huxtables and a sousaphone (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 30 May 2013 17:37 (six years ago) link

he gets more interesting throughout the series imo

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2013 17:38 (six years ago) link

He's plenty interesting! After that episode though I'm just reading him as more 'total reprehensible scumbag' than 'waggish ne'er do well'.

2 huxtables and a sousaphone (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 30 May 2013 17:39 (six years ago) link

I liked in the pale moonlight but it's garak who gets to do the scarface "you need me to be the bad guy" speech. He's practically rubbing the constraints of the sisko character in his face.

It might have also been interesting to follow the slippery ethics of wartime sisko to some kind of psychologically rending conclusion over an arc (like they do with dukat) but he's basically cool with it by end of episode.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 30 May 2013 17:50 (six years ago) link

Nunez, you are straight-up crazy, Sisko is just barely below Picard's level on excitable scenery-chewing

Nhex, Thursday, 30 May 2013 17:58 (six years ago) link

He's plenty interesting! After that episode though I'm just reading him as more 'total reprehensible scumbag' than 'waggish ne'er do well'.

He has a really good character arc. That's another reason to stick with the show.

carl agatha, Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:01 (six years ago) link

most definitely

Nhex, Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:15 (six years ago) link

fyi this is my keyring

It's kinda beat up now, the NEVER PLACE FRIENDSHIP ABOVE PROFIT used to be legible

http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp201/sharonjoy666/70E50083-2E6F-4F71-8044-1CB6E6B639BF-123-000000024A514DB0_zpsc22c2bbe.jpg

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:16 (six years ago) link

i also have a click-pen that shows you a different Rule of Acquisition every time you click it :D

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:17 (six years ago) link

nice!

Nhex, Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:17 (six years ago) link

DS9 was my jam when I was 14 and this thread got me nostalgic and I'm 5 minutes into S1E1 and OMG you're right about SIsko, its like english is his 2nd language and the intonations h'es using are perfectly normal in his language but in english its the worst. Just the way he says "Acknowledged" in that first scene . . .

Random .mdb Memories (NotEnough), Thursday, 30 May 2013 21:53 (six years ago) link

imma FP the next person who throws shade at Sisko

FOR REAL

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2013 21:59 (six years ago) link

sisko's the only thing i remember liking from any of the DS9 episodes i watched.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:01 (six years ago) link

odo is awesome c'mon

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:02 (six years ago) link

BOO YA

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:06 (six years ago) link

I just learned what John de Lancie (Q) is up to these days:

Discord is the former ruler of Equestria, and the main antagonist of The Return of Harmony Part 1 and part 2. Once Discord escapes from his stone prison, Twilight Sparkle and her friends must act quickly to summon the Elements of Harmony in order to stop him. He is a representation of the disharmony of pony kind.

polyphonic, Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:07 (six years ago) link

(spoilers for a Maquis episode but this scene is great)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS4L8owZinw

go cray cray on my lobster soufflé (snoball), Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:09 (six years ago) link

xp yeah he voices the villain in My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic. Also he voices the father of the Desmond, the protagonist of the videogame series Assassin's Creed.

go cray cray on my lobster soufflé (snoball), Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:10 (six years ago) link

'the Desmond' lol I spekes Engerlish well good...

go cray cray on my lobster soufflé (snoball), Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:11 (six years ago) link

Those are good Sisko clips! The face he makes after he pops Q is the kind of weird acting flourish I have been talking about.

carl agatha, Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:23 (six years ago) link

i love how he's a total peace & love hippie irl, it's kinda funny in contrast with the clipped brooding captainyness of sisko

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:37 (six years ago) link

avery brooks I mean, not Q

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:38 (six years ago) link

Hey you know that Jeff and I will be seeing Mr. Brooks on Sunday. And Patrick Stewart on Saturday. La di da

carl agatha, Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:39 (six years ago) link

Duuuurh, don't know how I managed to miss it before but this show now makes a lot more sense when I realised that different races = DIFFERENT RACES

Random .mdb Memories (NotEnough), Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:51 (six years ago) link

xpost omg u guys!! how exciting!!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2013 22:58 (six years ago) link

Jesus, this show is significantly weirder than I remember. Siske negotiating with his memories in the wormhole is some budget Lynchian shit.

Random .mdb Memories (NotEnough), Thursday, 30 May 2013 23:02 (six years ago) link

I generally like mannerist performances/disjunctive effects in all kinds of things so I expect once I get over the bends I will be a big Brooks/Sisko fan.

2 huxtables and a sousaphone (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 30 May 2013 23:05 (six years ago) link

When he shows up with a goatee you're almost there, and when he shaves his head you will have arrived at your destination.

carl agatha, Thursday, 30 May 2013 23:06 (six years ago) link

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set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2013 23:10 (six years ago) link

Wait how big is this click pen -- are t there like 100 rules?

Philip Nunez, Friday, 31 May 2013 00:11 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmXzamLDgFk

This is totally Avery Brooks coming through in the character. This was in the last episode before the final 9 episode story arc. Perfect setup.

Jeff, Friday, 31 May 2013 00:36 (six years ago) link

xpost lol no not all of them, I think it has like 6 or 7 of them

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 31 May 2013 01:06 (six years ago) link

i have totally blanked on that "he's just a man!" clip, how i could forget the Sisko rage

Nhex, Saturday, 1 June 2013 02:53 (six years ago) link

He was the original Barack Obama - after Sisko, the way had already been paved.

Call the Cops, Sunday, 2 June 2013 16:21 (six years ago) link

ebert being inattentive to that pleasure in a positive review is frankly a black mark, but he earns back my goodwill in the nemesis review where he says "life is too short to sit through 10 movies in which the power is shifted around on these shields".

― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, May 11, 2011 1:33 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Agreed, this is great:

I've also had it with the force shield that protects the Enterprise. The power on this thing is always going down. In movie after movie after movie I have to sit through sequences during which the captain is tersely informed that the front shield is down to 60 percent, or the back shield is down to 10 percent, or the side shield is leaking energy, and the captain tersely orders that power be shifted from the back to the sides or all put in the front, or whatever, and I'm thinking, life is too short to sit through 10 movies in which the power is shifted around on these shields. The shields have been losing power for decades now, and here it is the Second Generation of Star Trek, and they still haven't fixed them. Maybe they should get new batteries.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 2 June 2013 16:55 (six years ago) link

reading that i don't think ebert understands shields - they are protective, they get damaged by enemy fire, energy ablates, and they get less effective. it's not like there are batteries that are running down.

ds9 is spoilt a lot by the new agey rubbish and politics at the end, imo. i prefer voyager. but would watch both again tomorrow.

koogs, Sunday, 2 June 2013 17:48 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...
three weeks pass...

That moment when you realise that for months you have been block recording every TNG re-run to an online archive provided by your ISP.

Call the Cops, Monday, 8 July 2013 18:32 (six years ago) link

Why not just buy the recent HD remasters?

Nhex, Monday, 8 July 2013 18:35 (six years ago) link

Because I need money for Sparks remasters I forgot to buy in 2008.

Call the Cops, Monday, 8 July 2013 18:48 (six years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Wasn't sure where to put this, but this is incredible:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_BtmV4JRSc#at=43

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 14:54 (six years ago) link

there is no way in hell you're gonna get me to watch a youtube called that

socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 14:56 (six years ago) link

It's great! It'll make you sniffle! It's a message he records, per the filmer's request, for her infant daughter to watch when she grows up.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 14:58 (six years ago) link

Really beautiful, honestly. I think I first saw it on a pro gay marriage site.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 14:59 (six years ago) link

I find myself in a strange position with the various star treks. They were always on TV on sunday evenings when I was a kid, and because I always used to watch anything that was science fiction, I always used to watch any star trek that was on. I think I must have seen large chunks of (what I now know to be) tos, ng, ds9 and voyager. I had a great time watching them too, very invested in plots and concerned about what was going on in each episode (but not interested at all in any longer season story arcs).

Watching them as an adult, they become embarrassing (hold on though, because I'm not just being a dick to star trek) because of the gulf between the grand ideas and the mundane execution:

* The spaceships don't look very interesting. The designs for monsters, planets etc are competent, and clearly done on an ad-hoc basis, but according to a strict style guide. They're kind of tokens. Here we are on a planet; but you're not going to get too excited about the specifics of this planet because it's just another planet done in a ST style.

* The characters all remind me somehow of American political interns or people giving presentations about their new business project. The quirks and traits are all rather flat, secondary to their professional roles. Relatedly, most 'alien species' just = slight transformations or extrusions of eyebrows, noses, lips.

* It is very condescending to alien cultures.

cardamon, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 17:03 (six years ago) link

And with star trek, dr who, etc, I think it's worth looking at the anti-geek, anti-fan positions of people who don't like (say) star trek. It's often quite illuminating.

In the case of ST, surely it's because by default you'd expect that going on a space adventure should be exciting and thrilling; you should be hanging on to the edge of a cliff or having a gun battle, beads of sweat ought to be appearing on your brow, terrible beasts scraping at the door of your pod, etc.

ST (definitely from NG onward at least) completely subverts this and instead you watch our team of colleagues brainstorm, carefully consider the best way to neutralise whatever is threatening them this week, come up with a report, and action the program going forward within an acceptable timeframe. At the end there's time for some reflection and humour.

The anti-ST, anti-fan type of person probably finds this totally dishonest and feels short-changed.

cardamon, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 17:12 (six years ago) link

ST (definitely from NG onward at least) completely subverts this and instead you watch our team of colleagues brainstorm, carefully consider the best way to neutralise whatever is threatening them this week, come up with a report, and action the program going forward within an acceptable timeframe. At the end there's time for some reflection and humour.

This is what I love about the show. I'm going to butcher this, but when news of the JJ Abrams movie came out, someone I follow on twitter said that as a TNG fan, his perfect Star Trek movie would be 1:15 of diplomatic wrangling re the prime directive followed by 20 minutes of reflective moralizing and I was like YES I would see that movie!

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 17:34 (six years ago) link

from DS9 onward though it was all-war stakes escalation all-the-time. there's a direct continuity between enterprise and nu-trek and it's not just scotty transwarping porthos.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 17:45 (six years ago) link

TNG = an office in space. Very very different in tone and execution from OST

joe schmoladoo from 7-11 (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 17:57 (six years ago) link

1:15 of diplomatic wrangling re the prime directive followed by 20 minutes of reflective moralizing and I was like YES I would see that movie!

This would be ludicrously awesome! Though I will admit that I would like any ST movie to include them blowing up at least one other spaceship, preferably borg or romulan. Beyond that, wrangling/moralizing is the way to go.

ashcans (askance johnson), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 17:58 (six years ago) link

On season 4 of ds9 now. Like tng, the first 2 seasons are hard work, the 3rd is like ok this show has serious highs, season 4 is like, to paraphrase b Wilson on Rubber Soul, 'every single track is a gas'.

Spot Lange (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 18:13 (six years ago) link

Man, professional nerds are the worst.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 19:01 (six years ago) link

but... john hodgman is the best!

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 19:03 (six years ago) link

Is he in the same league as Wheaton or the guy who started Nerdist? I don't feel like Hodgman uses a Reddit account as a career tool.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 19:10 (six years ago) link

well... he was college roommates with jonathan coulton

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 19:16 (six years ago) link

he writes artsy comic book reviews for The New York Times; definitely a professional nerd

Nhex, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 19:24 (six years ago) link

artsy huh?

balls, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 19:26 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZEdDMQZaCU

polyphonic, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 19:28 (six years ago) link

Dear Wil Wheaton,

I am glad that a dude who was a Hollywood celebrity from age 10 and appeared in TV Hits' cute guys pullout throughout his teens thinks being a nerd is awesome!

Personally I find being a nerd slightly less awesome, because not only do non-nerds still have the same opinion of nerds as they did in junior high, it turns out that other nerds are insufferable people who think they get to police how you love things and whether you've earned the right to love them, and nerds also like to declare that any person being less awesome than them isn't working hard enough.

Also your daughter may one day like to know that a female nerd will have to get used to hearing guys whine "why can't girls be nerds" and then "oh god but not you" if she's not cute or "lol you must be bad at nerd stuff, let me research your failings and make a list" regardless of cuteness, repeatedly, forever. Which gets tiresome.

Now, as you all were with the Star Trek talk...

slippery kelp on the tide (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 20:22 (six years ago) link

Watching them as an adult, they become embarrassing (hold on though, because I'm not just being a dick to star trek) because of the gulf between the grand ideas and the mundane execution:

first thing i noticed seeing tng as an adult:

how many 'protocol' scenes there are, essentially all of someone really portentously telling someone else to drive the ship

i know that's analogous to all sorts of other functional devices in network tv scripts, but once i saw it, i couldn't un-see it : /

j., Wednesday, 31 July 2013 20:43 (six years ago) link

Idg the complaint about wheaton he doesnt really police anybody

joe schmoladoo from 7-11 (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 20:55 (six years ago) link

riker driving the ship with a joystick also non-un-seeable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4x1K97JZG0

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 20:55 (six years ago) link

sorry Shakey, I like Wheaton OK (I mean I'm not really familiar with what he does these days at all but I get linked to his blog posts from time to time and have liked some of them a lot), just a few of the words he used in his speech pushed some buttons for me

nothing to do with WW at all actually and I shouldn't have put it here. ahem

slippery kelp on the tide (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 21:29 (six years ago) link

I didn't have a problem with that spontaneous speech at all. Sure, he's in Hollywood, but he likely spends every waking hour doing nerdy stuff with nerdy people. He's a nerd lifer, and proud of it. I've been to conferences like that one before, and frankly I've never felt anything less than totally inclusive good vibes. WW seems like the sort who would stand signing autographs and shooting the shit as long as there are people waiting.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 21:57 (six years ago) link

there is no way in hell you're gonna get me to watch a youtube called that

― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:56 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark

lol, otm

i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 23:19 (six years ago) link

Personally I find being a nerd slightly less awesome,

Yeah I'm finding the WW thing suspicious too.

Possible argument why being a nerd is actually not a good look would be like: if you are a nerd you probably live in a rich western country* and can afford to, should you wish, read lots of novels + poetry and go to classical music concerts**, except you don't, you prefer to sit around watching often quite tacky*** pop culture artefacts that you like precisely because they are bad and qua consumer-critic u have a slave relationship to the text**** unlike e.g. Roger Ebert.

* Hmmm probably less true with the internet and culture distribution, let's not make too many assumptions about the geography of culture consumption
** Well hang on is any of this stuff really better than pop culture hmm hmm and you can't really tell someone what they should like?
*** Hmmm some sci fi and other 'nerd' films tv games are undeniably well-produced
**** But what about fan-fiction and all that. Also perhaps it's more honest or vital to love a text like you're still a teenager than to be 'tasteful'?

cardamon, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 23:25 (six years ago) link

Pretty sure his point was not that it's cool to be a nerd, but that if you are a nerd you will have plenty of company, and that's cool.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 23:44 (six years ago) link

And with star trek, dr who, etc, I think it's worth looking at the anti-geek, anti-fan positions of people who don't like (say) star trek. It's often quite illuminating.

In the case of ST, surely it's because by default you'd expect that going on a space adventure should be exciting and thrilling; you should be hanging on to the edge of a cliff or having a gun battle, beads of sweat ought to be appearing on your brow, terrible beasts scraping at the door of your pod, etc.

this is totally true but real talk: fuck these people, they have literally everything else. let us have our space deliberations over space problematics. that's why the same guy being in charge of both star wars and star trek (and approaching the latter like the former) is so symbolically awful. regardless, tho, TOS is much closer to this pulp-adventure ideal than TNG.

you're more or less otm about the planet/alien design; you have to make your peace with that stuff/learn to find it endearing/whatever. similar are the countless TOS episodes where a planet is, gasp, Just Like [Time Period] Earth, because they had those costumes lying around. (my favorite of these is probably the planet of nazis, although i love "miri" for reasons unrelated to the set design.) i love the look of the TOS starship interiors tho: all those minimalist flat-colored walls, the identical hallways, spock's lil meditation chamber.

what i love about trek (besides spock/bones banter or data playing poker) is how clearly each series (just talking about tos/tng here cuz i'm saving ds9 for after i work through all of tng) is not just a utopian fantasy but a utopian fantasy dreamed up by a really specific historical time, with all the inevitable oversights: the way kirk upends entire social systems in the name of Freedom and brusquely abandons the aliens to deal with the fallout, the way tng furrows its brow so earnestly hard trying to Respect Plurality and still ends up with an episode where all the aliens are honor-obsessed black people carrying spears. the shows are about a time when we've more or less overcome our demons and yet there are still demons the shows don't even realize are there -- i don't find this depressing but somehow encouraging, because the general contours of the dream (liberty/equality/fraternity/spaceships) are exactly the ideals that allow us to see the places where the shows don't measure up. (and lest all this sound like condescending head-patting weren't-the-60s-quaint, i should emphasize even though everyone already knows it that TOS, at least, was practically radical just for putting uhura on the bridge.) i like all the endless episodes where kirk or picard find themselves having to justify humanity to snobbishly godlike aliens who can't see our potential; similarly i like that spock's disagreements with humans aren't just about Logic Vs. Emotion but about different ways of dealing with emotion, with violence, with the darkness that ("amok time" reveals) is an even more alarmingly fundamental part of vulcans than of humans. (all the star trek aliens are just distorted humans, obv, exaggerations of parts of ourselves, all with something to teach us, and kirk's job as Captain is to synthesize them. the spock-bones-kirk relationship is p much hegelian, right? morbz upthread somewhere calls them "his fire-and-ice counselors".) the shows are about finding ways to live better without changing ourselves unrecognizably, which in our neoliberal population-management dystopia is... a window. a breeze. something that looks forward, whereas star wars (from the first line) only looks back: reshuffles our mythic past. naturally it makes fewer mistakes than trek, makes you cringe less; it stakes nothing.

sorry that was a big mess. also ohgodi'madork

similar are the countless TOS episodes where a planet is, gasp, Just Like [Time Period] Earth, because they had those costumes lying around. (my favorite of these is probably the planet of nazis, although i love "miri" for reasons unrelated to the set design.)

the one where they get stuck on the "old west" planet and have to re-fight the OK corral gunfight is even more blatant, tho that one actually has a genuinely creepy, surreal vibe that i enjoy -- and it's kind of cool to see wyatt earp et al portrayed as belligerent, gun-crazy nutjobs.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 1 August 2013 00:36 (six years ago) link

the one with the planet where everyone's a 20s gangster cracks me up. kirk was born to negotiate with that planet.

sorry that was a big mess.

No, it was a big otm, espesh:

the shows are about finding ways to live better without changing ourselves unrecognizably, which in our neoliberal population-management dystopia is... a window. a breeze. something that looks forward, whereas star wars (from the first line) only looks back: reshuffles our mythic past. naturally it makes fewer mistakes than trek, makes you cringe less; it stakes nothing.

cardamon, Thursday, 1 August 2013 01:32 (six years ago) link

It is probably relevant that ST characters have entered popular mythos with their titles intact. Captain, Mister, Doctor, Commander, etc.

cardamon, Thursday, 1 August 2013 01:35 (six years ago) link

ha yeah! only important job title in star wars is "darth".

U could probably also make an aesthetic point about how the USS Enterprise is kind of a flying saucer (which is a magical flying machine from pulp sci fi, before we really could go to the moon) ... but it also has extra bits attached to it, the warp drive engines (which are a result of we can actually go to the moon and thinking seriously abt how a long distance spacecraft will work). The design of the spacecraft, straddling old and new notions of space travel, is synchdoche for the show which itself straddles old and new visions of the future AND for the time period of the show's creation which was also all about this!

cardamon, Thursday, 1 August 2013 01:40 (six years ago) link

But I also think the crew of starfleet vessels are much more like the borg than they imagine, and closer than the writers and producers of the show imagine

cardamon, Thursday, 1 August 2013 01:44 (six years ago) link

would watch a spinoff show of borg in conference rooms debating things with future-powerpoint

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 1 August 2013 01:45 (six years ago) link

"we are borg, we want thai food for lunch"
"we had thai food yesterday"
...
"resistance is food truck"

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 1 August 2013 01:47 (six years ago) link

XP to myself

Even if captain picard (was it?) does have that moment where he tries explaining Dante to a Romulan - his connection to the fabric of what we have so far called 'humanity' (culture, thought, emotion, life, history), was much more tenuous, out there in the freezing silent dark, lightyears from earth, than he realised.

cardamon, Thursday, 1 August 2013 01:48 (six years ago) link

your herbs and spices will be added to our own

i just put on an episode and spock is going ham on bones about the limitations of empathy. "i've noticed that about your people, doctor: you find it easier to understand the death of one than the death of a million. you speak of the objective hardness of the vulcan heart. yet how little room there seems to be in yours." omg. bones looks so crestfallen.

Also, having watched BSG old and new, I feel very strongly that 'being on The Battlestar Galactica' is to 'being on the Enterprise', as 'being in an oligarch's new-build mansion' is to 'being in a Tudor manor house'.

cardamon, Thursday, 1 August 2013 01:57 (six years ago) link

i don't really remember anything about the borg's origin story. retrospectively i kind of wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't some hint of 'we did this to ourselves w/ technology!!' back there somewhere. which would be a bit of a letdown. but as i remember it, it was more like: suddenly, there's this hostile adversary/'civilization'/class of entities that comes out of nowhere, and is horrifying, and is destroying/assimilating everything in its path for no other reason than because that's what it does.

if that's more or less accurate, then: A+ fictional world-making/'character'-creating. massacre at wolf 359 was effectively unsettling to jaded/naive teenaged me!

j., Thursday, 1 August 2013 02:18 (six years ago) link

actually, checking -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg_%28Star_Trek%29#Origin

it seems that the gloss on the borg would be 'THEY did that to themselves', which is pretty much exactly where you would expect it to be situated to cause problems for the pluralistic TNG view of intra-universe relations.

j., Thursday, 1 August 2013 02:19 (six years ago) link

the way kirk upends entire social systems in the name of Freedom and brusquely abandons the aliens to deal with the fallout

haha yes. sometimes i wonder how this played to viewers of the time as Vietnam was getting worse and worse, the tet offensive happening like halfway through the series, etc.

i think some of the art direction and sets in TOS, when it comes to the alien planets, are pretty incredible. some of it anyway

i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 1 August 2013 02:21 (six years ago) link

there might be later stuff i haven't seen that fleshes out their backstory but nah that's exactly how they're introduced, at least: q warps the enterprise out a kajillion light-years to introduce them to the borg as a lesson about their unpreparedness for the dangers of the universe. whoopi goldberg freaks out because she recognizes them as the species that destroyed her homeworld and knows there's No Reasoning With Them. they seemed designed from the beginning to resist klingon-style rehabilitation: they have absolutely zero tolerance for things that aren't themselves. hive mind aside, they're a little like the krikkiters in life, the universe, and everything, who sail for the first time out of the dust cloud surrounding them, see the infinite expanse of the universe, and conclude "it'll have to go."

xps.

so did they try to undo that unrehabilitatability when jeri ryan came on the scene? (or maybe picard did w/ some philosophical musings after he came back from assimilation, i don't recall - remember him being kinda depressed and ptsd and pensive.)

j., Thursday, 1 August 2013 02:33 (six years ago) link

oh, see, i don't even know about post-tng stuff, so i shouldn't. i do remember picard's ptsd from first contact tho. the borg are Always A Part Of Him and stuff.

like he's got a darkness now or smthn? or an urge to PERFECT?

j., Thursday, 1 August 2013 02:39 (six years ago) link

The Borg backstory is only fully addressed extra-canonically in the Destiny Trilogy books but I will again encourage anybody who likes TNG/DS9 to read those because they are great.

One more plug for the whole DS9 relaunch book series, which I have almost read through completely. ;_;

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Thursday, 1 August 2013 03:02 (six years ago) link

i think some of the art direction and sets in TOS, when it comes to the alien planets, are pretty incredible. some of it anyway

would vote in a star trek planets poll. some of the best ones are in the shittiest episodes. i don't really like "the apple" but it has that great lush jungle with the giant robot idol. problem is that they've all been fucking touched up, much more tastefully than star wars but nevertheless, and i'm not o.g. enough to have seen the 60s versions.

haha yes. sometimes i wonder how this played to viewers of the time as Vietnam was getting worse and worse, the tet offensive happening like halfway through the series, etc.

there's a really queasily specific didactic vietnam allegory in "a private little war" where the klingons have begun arming one side of a tribal war on a little peaceful planet of condescended-to noble savages and kirk makes the painful decision to involve the federation by arming the other side, thus maintaining "a... balance of power!" worst violation of the prime directive ever. meanwhile: kirk makes out w a hot native, a bear bites spock, etc.

he calls the weapons "serpents. serpents for the garden of eden."

problem is that they've all been fucking touched up, much more tastefully than star wars but nevertheless, and i'm not o.g. enough to have seen the 60s versions.

you can switch between the original and remastered effects on the blu-rays. i think one of the dvd editions has the original effects too

i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 1 August 2013 05:25 (six years ago) link

oh cool. i don't think you can on netflix but who am i kidding that's not how i've been watching them. i can prob find the originals then if i track down another, you know. copy.

I second reading the Destiny Trilogy. The borg origin is very satisfying.

Jeff, Thursday, 1 August 2013 10:25 (six years ago) link

Just thinking about it makes me want to read it again.

Jeff, Thursday, 1 August 2013 10:28 (six years ago) link

It is deeply satisfying. That's a good way to describe it.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Thursday, 1 August 2013 10:44 (six years ago) link

there's a really queasily specific didactic vietnam allegory in "a private little war" where the klingons have begun arming one side of a tribal war on a little peaceful planet of condescended-to noble savages and kirk makes the painful decision to involve the federation by arming the other side, thus maintaining "a... balance of power!" worst violation of the prime directive ever. meanwhile: kirk makes out w a hot native, a bear bites spock, etc.

Yeah, that one is really amazing. First time I saw it was a year or two ago, and it made me consider facets of that war that I had never thought of before.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 1 August 2013 15:19 (six years ago) link

kirk makes out w a hot native, a bear, bites spock, etc.

click here to start exploding (ledge), Thursday, 1 August 2013 15:41 (six years ago) link

First time I saw it was a year or two ago, and it made me consider facets of that war that I had never thought of before.

i mean it's not actually analogous, is the thing, right? it's only analogous to the shallowest of the then-official lines: an evil empire is interfering with a bunch of agencyless third-worlders to promote its own power. no explanation of why the two local sides are fighting except that the klingons disrupted their edenic pacifism. there's not even any space french. i do like the space bear, tho; it's a guy in an elaborate suit after several episodes (e.g. the gangster one) where they didn't even bother to put makeup on the aliens.

i guess it's more of a space gorilla really.

episode's still fascinating and recommended tho because bones is the antiwar voice in it and there's real tension between the show's general pacifism and its support for u.s. foreign policy, even if its final decision is unambiguous. roddenberry did the teleplay: this is happening in his soul! so it's a really pure example of what i was saying i liked: utopianism trapped in its time. but it's kinda hard to watch for me.

this line of mccoy's (i'm just on memory alpha now) kinda terrifyingly cuts through the episode:

"Jim, that means you're condemning this whole planet to a war that may never end! It could go on for year after year! Massacre after massacre!"

but make no mistake bones does not make policy

rip kang! i didn't know he was in the brando julius caesar, that's almost my favorite shakespeare movie.

lol you inspired me to watch that one

tyree was married to twiggy! his wife nona is married to zubin mehta!

mookieproof, Saturday, 3 August 2013 06:48 (six years ago) link

rip kang :(

the pen is mightier than the penisword (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 3 August 2013 16:11 (six years ago) link

RIP. Watching "Day of the Dove" now. Had forgotten it was written by Jerome Bixby.

The O RLY of Everything (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 3 August 2013 17:03 (six years ago) link

One of yr better shipboard episodes.

The O RLY of Everything (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 3 August 2013 17:22 (six years ago) link

Although it might have some third season clunkiness to it.

The O RLY of Everything (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 3 August 2013 17:27 (six years ago) link

Guy in college way back when used to always quote Kang's line "You will die of suffocation in the icy cold of space."

The O RLY of Everything (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 3 August 2013 17:31 (six years ago) link

Man that would be a shitty fortune cookie.

Here's the storify, of a lovely ladify (Phil D.), Saturday, 3 August 2013 17:37 (six years ago) link

Yup.

I think he used to slightly misquote it, leaving out the "suffocation" part. Also, I thought he said he was quoting Khan and wondered if he had seen a different version of "Space Seed" from the one I saw.

The O RLY of Everything (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 3 August 2013 17:50 (six years ago) link

khan says "it is very cold... in space."

as the punch line to the good ol Klingon Proverb about revenge.

OK, "Day of the Dove" is fine when the Klingons are onscreen, some of the other stuff with the Enterprise crew is like a rehash of "The Naked TIme" from the first season.

The O RLY of Everything (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 3 August 2013 18:45 (six years ago) link

we have no devil, Kirk.

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 4 August 2013 23:38 (six years ago) link

What's next, the roar of crowds?

The O RLY of Everything (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 5 August 2013 01:03 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZGqkvQ__bY

ian, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 02:36 (six years ago) link

btw Patrick Stewart, 73, married his "longtime gf," who is 35. Interstellar cradle snatcher.

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 September 2013 03:04 (six years ago) link

yeahhhh it's creepy. but i also love the dude, so... torn

Nhex, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 03:05 (six years ago) link

(obv he was looking for "the next generation")

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 September 2013 03:05 (six years ago) link

I've struggled through the first 2 series of DS9 and watched the first episode of S3 yesterday. Sisko turns up with a huge fuck-off warship with a cloaking device and decides to go into the wormhole to show the Dominion that they shouldn't regard the Federation as a threat wtf? Gunboat diplomacy at its finest.

he had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up (NotEnough), Friday, 13 September 2013 11:38 (six years ago) link

It only gets better. Then in season four you get Weyoun.

We're on our second rewatch and have reached the final story arc which happens over 9 episodes. I sort of want to just watch it all in one fell swoop.

Jeff, Friday, 13 September 2013 11:46 (six years ago) link

BTW, on netflix streaming, there are extended interviews from Shatner's the Captains. 30 minutes each with each one. No much extra footage than the original doc, but still good.

Jeff, Friday, 13 September 2013 11:47 (six years ago) link

Yeah I was unsure about ds9 for a couple of seasons but that turned around big time.

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Friday, 13 September 2013 12:02 (six years ago) link

love the sisko

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 13 September 2013 15:24 (six years ago) link

By season 4 I love not only sisko but quark and dax too. Dax becomes all jaunty and rikeresque, it really works.

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Friday, 13 September 2013 15:34 (six years ago) link

<3 Jadzia Dax 4eva

carl agatha, Friday, 13 September 2013 15:59 (six years ago) link

dax is awesome

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 13 September 2013 16:05 (six years ago) link

Glad she gets better, cos she's boring the hell out of me atm, and the doctor's not faring much better tbh. However, far fewer bajoran west wing episodes than I remember from when I watched it first time around.

he had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up (NotEnough), Friday, 13 September 2013 16:29 (six years ago) link

...I'm 5 minutes into S1E1 and OMG you're right about Sisko, its like english is his 2nd language and the intonations he's using are perfectly normal in his language but in english its the worst. Just the way he says "Acknowledged" in that first scene . . .

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I noticed the other day that Sisko's weird intonations seem to have either stopped bothering me or just stopped completely.

he had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up (NotEnough), Friday, 13 September 2013 16:34 (six years ago) link

For me there is one specific scene, I think it's in the episode where dark riker steals their ship, where he delivers this line reading that's so insane it suddenly revealed his genius to me. IIRC:

"EVery STAR system has been scanned with PROton mic ro scopes and STILL no defiant."

i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Friday, 13 September 2013 16:38 (six years ago) link

xp ...or you learned to love The Sisko without realizing

Nhex, Friday, 13 September 2013 16:38 (six years ago) link

^^^

It's the path the prophets have set out for you.

carl agatha, Friday, 13 September 2013 16:45 (six years ago) link

Had a big crush on Dax #2.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 13 September 2013 16:48 (six years ago) link

xp Oh yeh, have they just dropped the Sisko as Bajoran Jesus thing? That was set up and then there were like, 3 episodes or something? And nobody really gives a shit that Sisko is basically God or whatever, he's still just seen as a meddling overseer from the Federation come to keep Bajorans down.

he had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up (NotEnough), Friday, 13 September 2013 16:49 (six years ago) link

Sisko as the Emissary is a huge ongoing plot point throughout the series.

carl agatha, Friday, 13 September 2013 16:51 (six years ago) link

Yeah, it is far from dropped.

Nhex, Friday, 13 September 2013 18:01 (six years ago) link

DS9 is so good, i love it.

The episode where Dax falls in love and they're like, "let's go count each others spots." lols for days

ian, Friday, 13 September 2013 20:36 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWmVc2iwSb0

ian, Saturday, 14 September 2013 00:18 (six years ago) link

just found out the obrien/bashir buddy thing is apparently influenced by colm meaney bringing siddig to irish bars weekly and heaping abuse on him by telling everyone he's english.

Philip Nunez, Saturday, 14 September 2013 00:40 (six years ago) link

lol that's awesome!

ian, Saturday, 14 September 2013 00:42 (six years ago) link

A+

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 14 September 2013 00:43 (six years ago) link

"I took your overt irritability toward me as a signal that you wished to pursue some physical relationship. " -female Cardassian scientist to O'brien, making me lol hard.

ian, Saturday, 14 September 2013 00:52 (six years ago) link

That is an excellent anecdote. I love the real life Miles/Julian buddy comedy.

carl agatha, Saturday, 14 September 2013 01:01 (six years ago) link

Love this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1zh1VGqS7s

Jeff, Saturday, 14 September 2013 01:15 (six years ago) link

lol

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 14 September 2013 01:46 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SySZdvsFYt4

ian, Sunday, 15 September 2013 23:43 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdC6hM9Pn7s

ian, Sunday, 15 September 2013 23:52 (six years ago) link

Ode to Spot is great. What the hell is Riker's problem that he can't stay awake for a one minute poetry recitation?

Love Worf and Spot. There's at least one callback in DS9 to Worf taking care of the cat.

carl agatha, Monday, 16 September 2013 14:05 (six years ago) link

riker's problem is that he was being abducted by aliens while he slept and so was not getting any rest.

ian, Monday, 16 September 2013 15:47 (six years ago) link

That episode was such a 90s commentary on sleep.

fields of salmon, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 15:32 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

*clap*

Nhex, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 00:00 (six years ago) link

four weeks pass...

it's kind of insane how much vic fontaine there is in the last ds9 season. he's practically one of the crew! guess the writers were super into it or they had justify his set or something?

loved the ep where nog recedes into vic's holodeck fantasy world.

original bgm, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 23:40 (five years ago) link

The Vic eps are by far my favorite holodeck/suite eps of any Star Trek series.

Jeff, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 23:44 (five years ago) link

so I was playing Star Trek:TNG pinball with my daughter the other day and she was doing pretty well but in the middle of it she commented that she didn't recognize any of the characters, and who were all these people and why did it look different etc (she has only seen TOS). so I started to explain it to her but then I got self-conscious about how boring it sounded - I told her she could watch it but she probably wouldn't like it lol.

I just can't fully commit to these latter incarnations when it gets right down to it. they're just uglier and more boring and less fun than TOS. sorry.

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 23:50 (five years ago) link

I mean what's up with the TNG color scheme anyway - all these teals and salmons and burgundys blech

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 23:50 (five years ago) link

then got into extended debate with my wife about how any of the women pee in those stupid TNG onesies. conclusion was that they use the transporter to teleport urine directly out of their bladders into the ship's urine storage tanks.

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 23:52 (five years ago) link

why would they store urine, in this scenario

lj. 'hoover' egads (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 23:53 (five years ago) link

visually TOS is the clear winner, no argument here

original bgm, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 23:55 (five years ago) link

You wouldn't want to fly into a blob of floating excreta at warp, I'd imagine.

Neil Nosepicker (Leee), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 23:55 (five years ago) link

why would they store urine, in this scenario

what you want them to just piss into the vacuum of space? seems sort of counter to the Federation's principles

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 23:56 (five years ago) link

maybe they don't have drinking water in space & everyone drinks pee on the regular

makes ut hink

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 23:56 (five years ago) link

kinda dig how the terrible TNG/DS9 cg has dated

http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051031112357/memoryalpha/en/images/2/2b/Odo_and_female_changeling.jpg

original bgm, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 23:57 (five years ago) link

what happens to p in the future makes u rethra

lj. 'hoover' egads (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 23:58 (five years ago) link

When you go to the bathroom on Earth, you are relying on gravity, pretty pretty heavily... imagine if you were halfway done and someone shut off the gravity, it would be a mess. And you'd float off the toilet. So, when we designed our space toilet, first it has to have a seat belt on it, to hold you down.

And then we decided to separate solids and liquids, 'cause they're easier to store that way. so we just have a tube for you to pee into, and it has air pulled into the tube, so it's not a big deal. For the women there's a cup fits up against them, for the guys it's just like a little funnel, you just pee into this tube and and it goes into a sewage tank.

But, the solids that come out of your body, that's a harder problem to solve, and it's an important medical one. 'Cause on Earth everything falls on the floor but in space it's going to float around, so it'll really make you sick. If you re-ingest something that came out of your body, it will really make you sick and we can't afford to get that sick.

So we designed a toilet so that instead of gravity pulling everything into the toilet it has air flow, there's air pulled down into the toilet, sort of windy when you're sitting there, but it pulls everything that comes out of your body.

Everything that's comes out of your body gets pulled down into the toilet by the air, and then in the storage tank we just expose that to the vacuum of space so it basically just freeze-dries everything, so it kills all the bacteria, so that there's no smell, and then we just store it.

And when you have a whole bunch of it stored, we put it into a little unmanned supply ship, and we undock it, and it burns up in the atmosphere. So the next time you see a beautiful shooting star going across the sky, that's what it might be.

- Chris Hadfield

christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 23:59 (five years ago) link

haleys comet of pee

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 23:59 (five years ago) link

Urination is the process by which urine is disposed from the body through the urethra, in humanoids as well as certain other creatures. To pee or to "take a leak" are slangs originating from Earth referring to the act of urination.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Urination

original bgm, Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:01 (five years ago) link

or as they fine film APOLLO 13 called it: "Constellation U-Rine" xp

ian, Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:01 (five years ago) link

For the women there's a cup fits up against them

yeah whatever show me where the cup goes on Troi's uniform for ex.

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:02 (five years ago) link

^^^ your wife wouldn't mind?

ian, Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:04 (five years ago) link

nah she's into it

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:04 (five years ago) link

troi girls uni cup

lj. 'hoover' egads (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:05 (five years ago) link

wait so they burn up a supply ship full of shit in the atmosphere

replicant otm, they have seen things i wouldnt believe

lj. 'hoover' egads (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:06 (five years ago) link

but again, the question wasn't "where does waste go on a spaceship" it was more "why do the women wear onesies that they would have to completely remove to urinate/take a shit" cuz that is some fucking stupid uniform design right there. which was what I was getting at, it's just part of the general "this show looks terrible" deal.

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:06 (five years ago) link

there's a lot could be installed underneath that uniform that we cant see

ok that's unlikely i'll admit

lj. 'hoover' egads (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:08 (five years ago) link

they aren't stillsuits

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:10 (five years ago) link

you are deiscarding however the possibility of a stoolslit

lj. 'hoover' egads (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:11 (five years ago) link

fyi this exact conversation is why the internet still exists in 2014

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:12 (five years ago) link

<3 u guys

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:13 (five years ago) link

w/r/t troi, betazoids have different plumbing.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:13 (five years ago) link

I dunno, need some closeups of the crotch design

xp

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:13 (five years ago) link

HALF-Betazoid.

Neil Nosepicker (Leee), Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:14 (five years ago) link

So I guess maybe only half her plumbing is different.

Neil Nosepicker (Leee), Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:14 (five years ago) link

i don't know if this ties in troi but betazoids are also notorious for disliking horse riding.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:16 (five years ago) link

w/r/t troi, betazoids have different plumbing.

is Troi the only one in a onesie? Yar had the guys' uniform and Crusher wore her flowing gowns or whatever the fuck

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:18 (five years ago) link

maybe it is a betazoid thing

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:18 (five years ago) link

http://nintendo3dscommunity.com/uploads/gallery/album_64/gallery_1_64_38263.jpg

*rips up lovenote, gallops off*

lj. 'hoover' egads (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:18 (five years ago) link

HALF-BETAZOID YALL.

is Troi the only one in a onesie? Yar had the guys' uniform and Crusher wore her flowing gowns or whatever the fuck

Oh gods I thought you were referring to Wesley Crusher there for a min.

Neil Nosepicker (Leee), Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:24 (five years ago) link

well so i googled "how does deanna troi pee" and i got some pretty, uh.... good...? fanfiction...

ian, Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:36 (five years ago) link

bi-pee is in the eye of the beholder

lj. 'hoover' egads (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:37 (five years ago) link

so in the end we've determined that Betazoids pee with their fingers or something

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 January 2014 22:05 (five years ago) link

They pee with their empathy.

Neil Nosepicker (Leee), Thursday, 9 January 2014 22:44 (five years ago) link

You can't spell EMPATH without pee etc.

Neil Nosepicker (Leee), Thursday, 9 January 2014 22:45 (five years ago) link

E, 'S P

lj. 'hoover' egads (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 January 2014 22:50 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

can't believe how amateur this convo was

Star Trek ships all have artificial gravity and forcefields so they don't need special pee cups or whatever

As for waste, just read about how a replicator works


A replicator was a device that used transporter technology to dematerialize quantities of matter and then rematerialize that matter in another form. It was also capable of inverting its function, thus disposing of leftovers and dishes and storing the bulk material again.

So you're probably eating and wearing what used to be poop.

As for how Troi pees, she suffers for her ridiculous 1980s-inspired leotard and just peels the whole damn thing off.

have a nice blood (mh), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 16:55 (five years ago) link

Star Trek ships all have artificial gravity and forcefields so they don't need special pee cups or whatever

gravity and forcefields not the issue, it's getting out of the uniform to pee that is the issue.

How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 16:58 (five years ago) link

maybe she just pees in her leotard and throws it into the replicator and gets a new one

have a nice blood (mh), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:01 (five years ago) link

maybe the uniforms have a spage-age slit you can't see that makes them tear away, its not that complicated

socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:03 (five years ago) link

i loved the Space Age Slits

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:04 (five years ago) link

velcro crotch, problem solved

have a nice blood (mh), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:05 (five years ago) link

Whole new problem created.

carl agatha, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:14 (five years ago) link

is it though? is it... really.

Nhex, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:22 (five years ago) link

This all sounds like a, ehm, "movie" I watched not long ago.

eeeLuvium (Leee), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:23 (five years ago) link

have just bought the TOS dvds and am 4 episodes in.

they've cleaned up the pictures and replaced the old model spaceships with cgi (which i'm not sure needed doing). but the worst thing is they've re-recorded the theme tune. it's supposedly identical but it's not. the voiceover they found in a cupboard but i'm sure it's a different take.

koogs, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:33 (five years ago) link

Is it still boring as hell or did they fix that too?

Jeff, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:39 (five years ago) link

:o

eeeLuvium (Leee), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:49 (five years ago) link

they have made the gorn blink.

koogs, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 18:06 (five years ago) link

replaced the old model spaceships with cgi (which i'm not sure needed doing).

It reminds me of the re-released Red Dwarf series 1-5 - they swapped out the old model footage for CGI stuff and it just seems wrong somehow. With TOS, it seems to make the fake nature