Kids on the bus playing ropey mp3s through their tinny phones, and often singing along badly in a group, usually to the same song over and over. Classic or dud?

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It's a mood thing. A lot of the time classically amusing, often dudly off-pissing, esp if singing bad, song awful, trying to read impenetrable modern novel

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 20 October 2005 10:16 (twenty years ago)

this is why you will never persuade people to leave their cars at home, congestion charge or no.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 20 October 2005 10:18 (twenty years ago)

Off with their oyster cards and give them an ASBO.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 20 October 2005 10:19 (twenty years ago)

haha, this is so big... i couldn't deal with it in the mornings.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 20 October 2005 10:20 (twenty years ago)

for the record is was Ray J's "One Wish" last night. blimey those girls really had no idea how awful their singing voices were.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 20 October 2005 10:21 (twenty years ago)

classic if they're hackney schoolgirls on the 277. those girls all have serious style, massive attitude and can actually properly sing. the last time i heard them they were doing 'gold digger', one of them was doing the sample and a couple of the others were doing the rap.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 20 October 2005 10:26 (twenty years ago)

classic if they're KENTISH TOWN schoolgirls on the 134. those girls all have serious style, massive attitude and can actually properly sing. the last time i heard them they were doing 'YELLOW', one of them was doing the GUITAR and a couple of the others were doing the SINGING.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 20 October 2005 10:29 (twenty years ago)

They were probably hoping someone from Pop Idol would just happen to be in hearing range to *discover* them. Girls can be narcissistic and seem to believe they have fabulous singing voices and were born stars.

― saleXander / sophie (salexander), Thursday, 20 October 2005 10:30 (twenty years ago)

Fucking awful, pathetic 'showing off'. I am hoping phone wars will start though, two or more separate parties playing tracks loudly at the same time, to highlight the ridiculousness of the it all.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 10:31 (twenty years ago)

At least they've all stopped listening to that God-awful re-work of Going Underground that was so popular in the summer. It had terrible comedy lyrics and they all found it screechingly funny. Actually, I hate teenagers on buses full stop. I hate the shrieking and I hate the way they always turn on the weaker members of their packs. Teenage girls are evil. I thought that when I was one and I still think it now. Plus, also massive dud if the little bitches in their pastel sports wear take the piss out of what I'm wearing. Why have people over 20 suddenly become visible to them?

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 20 October 2005 10:43 (twenty years ago)

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 10:46 (twenty years ago)

and the S2! i miss my grime bus. i used to take it to sub plan b and there were always kids practicing their mcing at the back.

y'all are old grouches. these kids are THE FUTURE!

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 20 October 2005 10:58 (twenty years ago)

i'm not being a grouch! well not all the time. sometimes i do think it's great. if a bit rude to the other people on the bus who might not be in such a good mood.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 20 October 2005 10:59 (twenty years ago)

This is, pretty much why I've stopped taking the bus and started taking the overground. It's expensive and overcrowded, but at least it's bloody QUIET.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:00 (twenty years ago)

I'm more annoyed by people on buses who sneeze and cough continuously and don't bother covering up their mouth/nose while doing it.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:00 (twenty years ago)

Lex I don't give a flying fuck if it's grouchy. It's really fucking rude. Why they go on and on about bloody respect when they obviously haven't got the faintest tiny sliver of it for other people is beyond me, but there you go. Studies have shown that teenagers all become slightly autistic between the ages of 13 and 16. True fact!

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:02 (twenty years ago)

when do we get to the "you were just as bad yourself. i remember..." bit?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:04 (twenty years ago)

Alan OTM. Since when is a bus a good place to practice MCing?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:04 (twenty years ago)

and remember folks they're not even fully conscious until 23 or more - more like ants up to that point

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:05 (twenty years ago)

hey i LIKE screaming babies on the bus, they are after all THE FUTURE, granddads.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:05 (twenty years ago)

if these teenagers had respect for other people they wouldn't be proper teenagers!

(i think i mostly like them because i like their music.)

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:05 (twenty years ago)

babies are going too far.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:06 (twenty years ago)

jonathan king to thread

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:06 (twenty years ago)

sometimes i like 'their' music but hey i can just listen to that myself on my own iPod (or similar) with my own earphones. Maybe if I show them my earphones they will gasp in wonder at them and ask questions about where they can get some.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:07 (twenty years ago)

but then they don't get the communal collective experience of the music!

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:07 (twenty years ago)

when do we get to the "you were just as bad yourself. i remember..." bit?

-- Marcello Carlin
No one here knew me until I was 22 .... besides, I wasn't that bad really. The things that irritate me have remained fairly constant throughout my life.

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:07 (twenty years ago)

The idea was to get our parents to post to ILE...

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:08 (twenty years ago)

Kids shouting and screaming on buses drive my wife crazy but I'm fairly immune to them. Especially if I've got my iPod with me cos I can just drown them out with that.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:09 (twenty years ago)

If anything I'm just stunned and baffled by the audacity and 'fearlessness' in the sense that it's deemed okay by them to shout and play music in such a confined public space. How did they get the impression that this was okay? How do they not worry about what other people would think? Obviously it says a lot about my own fear of other people and shyness in this respect, but naturally I still think logic is on my side.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:13 (twenty years ago)

I fucking hate this. Much as I enjoy hearing new music, I really hate the arrogance of it, assuming that other people don't mind hearing it through the bloody awful little speakers, which would make anything sound shite. Last night on the 253 some people were listening to what I can only describe as white noise with shouting. I'm going to get myself a thing that can play stuff audibly, and play Sibelius at them. Or Autechre.

I like to get the C2 from Kentish Town, as it's full of posh schoolgirls.

― Chief Egg (alix), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:14 (twenty years ago)

Are we talking about kids on buses here or about Club Poptimism?

(xpost)

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:14 (twenty years ago)

but then they don't get the communal collective experience of the music!

-- The Lex

Do they not have homes to go to? Walls outside chip shops to sit on? Why must they do this in a confined space?

I want some chips now.

x-post with Stevem, who is right beyond belief.

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:15 (twenty years ago)

but then they don't get the communal collective experience of the music!
-- The Lex (alex.macpherso...), October 20th, 2005.

griney simey to thread!

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:16 (twenty years ago)

this isn't a new thing though right? it's just the return of the GHETTO BLASTER!

Worst girl ever on the 38 last night between Angel and halfway down Essex Road. Shouting her head off at (presumably) her little brother and threatening to 'put her fist in his face' if he didn't sit down.
-- Sociah T Azzahole (stevem7...), October 20th, 2005 11:46 AM. (blueski) (later) (link)

surely you should be grateful she is stopping that annoying kid on the bus, who wouldn't sit down?

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:17 (twenty years ago)

on the bus home from school we used to sing "hurry up harry" by sham 69. very loudly. in french.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:19 (twenty years ago)

no he was fine and wasn't raising his voice. she on the other hand was the worst thing i have ever heard in my whole life.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:19 (twenty years ago)

what, worse than "adam's charm school" by goldie lookin chain?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:21 (twenty years ago)

oh but if she hadn't had shouted. i bet someone else on that bus would have started a thread somewhere about kids who don't sit down c/d

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:21 (twenty years ago)

no they wouldn't Ken. stop being argumentative just for the sake of it.

not heard the GLC.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:22 (twenty years ago)

just think if you'd complained about one of these kids in 2001 and they turned out to be dizzee rascal or someone!

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:25 (twenty years ago)

they so would and you know it :) xpost

did they have those mobile phones that play mp3s back in 2001?

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:33 (twenty years ago)

just think if you'd complained about one of these kids in 2001 and they turned out to be dizzee rascal or someone!
-- The Lex (alex.macpherso...), October 20th, 2005.

i don't follow -- do you mean that dizzee's career would have been harmed if some grouchy suit-stuffer had told him to pipe down one morning on the number 73?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:35 (twenty years ago)

they so would and you know it :) xpost

YOU would, probably...

It doesn't matter whether they're about to be famous or not - this has no bearing on the logic of doing it on the bus.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:38 (twenty years ago)

that's a different thread altogether

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:40 (twenty years ago)

and haha but i love kids running around being a menace!

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:40 (twenty years ago)

It's probably flawed to try and base my argument on 'logic' too (is their behaviour really any less 'logical' than mine?), but courtesy as a cornerstone of society etc.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:40 (twenty years ago)

ken wins the argument from where i'm sitting

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:41 (twenty years ago)

i mean imagine being confronted on a daily basis with the horrible realisation that OTHER PEOPLE ARE HAVING MORE FUN THAN YOU

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:41 (twenty years ago)

and haha but i love kids running around being a menace!

not sitting down != being a menace. i am not opposed to little kids not sitting down, unless the inertia of the bus accelerating or braking rapidly causes them to fall and hurt themselves. this still doesn't excuse the girl shouting loudly at someone right next to them though, or threatening to beat them up for not doing what they're told.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:42 (twenty years ago)

is this all going to go in david cameron's next speech then?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:42 (twenty years ago)

Hell is other people's fun

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:43 (twenty years ago)

i don't follow -- do you mean that dizzee's career would have been harmed if some grouchy suit-stuffer had told him to pipe down one morning on the number 73?

no! i meant that you would have got unreasonably annoyed when you should have been in awe of a blossoming young talent or something.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:44 (twenty years ago)

can we start calling him cocaine cameron, or is that libellous?

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:44 (twenty years ago)

How is it unreasonable??

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:45 (twenty years ago)

next time this happens i'll offer the girls a record deal. ohhhh yeah.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:45 (twenty years ago)

xpost Not if you called him Charlie Cameron.

― saleXander / sophie (salexander), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:46 (twenty years ago)

as with people who complain about the volume at poptimism, i can't fathom folk who go on london buses at certain times of the day, knowing full well there are going to be rowdy schoolkids on them, yet still go on them and then complain. get one car or bike or taxi, already.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:46 (twenty years ago)

"Excuse me, would you mind not blowing smoke in my face?"

"HOW DARE YOU STOP ME FROM HAVING MORE FUN THAN YOU!"

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:46 (twenty years ago)

so classic

― minna (minna), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

the top deck of the bus should just rid itself of chairs altogether and have an ipod slot where one can DJ for the whole top deck which becomes a dance floor.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

Certain times of the day? You mean like 8.30pm or later in the evening?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

chaz cameron, PERFECT! alignment with both c church and k moss.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:48 (twenty years ago)

Fun haterz. Seriously though, one cannot always pick the time one travels on a bus. And anyway, how dare THEY travel on YOUR bus and make a riot. You were born before them.

― saleXander / sophie (salexander), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:48 (twenty years ago)

Obv. The Lex's argument can't be taken seriously because it was kids blasting out Kaiser Chiefs or James Blunt mp3s on the bus and crooning along with them he would be the first to be venting about it on his Goth Journal (jus' joshing daerest ;)

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:49 (twenty years ago)

at 8:30pm or later on buses, kids playing music on there mobile phones would be the least of my concerns.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:49 (twenty years ago)

i hate when guys use those nokias, or whatever they are, on the fucking walkie-talkie mode at full blast volume. i can't escape it now, everywhere i go -> loudass *DOOTdoot*-> a garbled distorted voice comes out of phone speaker making you think their phone intercepted a Wendys drive-thru order -> *DOOTdoot* again ->dude w/ phone says some shit, usually "what'd you say!?" or "uh-huh" -> repeat x 100.

― amon (eman), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:51 (twenty years ago)

well bully for you. i'm not sure what you would be concerned about. i just go by what i experience. xpost

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:51 (twenty years ago)

i'd be concerned about kids eating chips.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:52 (twenty years ago)

chaps and chapesses, this is london, this is hardcore, this is not grantchester meadows circa 1854 in a horse-drawn carriage. you don't like it, plenty of other places to live, end of story.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:52 (twenty years ago)

lex himself entertains bus users with his 'speechtool' dex, of course.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:53 (twenty years ago)

throwing them at other passengers you mean? yes i would worry if i saw that happening. xpost

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:53 (twenty years ago)

(ah, it's a british thread. never mind)

― amon (eman), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)

exactly. xpost

yeah we meant french fries

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:55 (twenty years ago)

xpost Because ...? Chips are dangerous and could be disguised as the Kaiser Chiefs' new single? They could choke and you might have to perform the Heimlich?

― saleXander / sophie (salexander), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:55 (twenty years ago)

and pagers

xpost

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:56 (twenty years ago)

It's not about it being 'my' bus though - it's about it being everyone's bus, and one person thinking they have the right to decide what everyone has to listen to is not considerate, and personally I wouldn't assume I had that right, and I don't fully understand why other people would think that they do.

xpost

― Chief Egg (alix), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:56 (twenty years ago)

damn straight.

it is partly the fact that i have never ever heard kids on the bus singing along to either of those that i defend them.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:57 (twenty years ago)

xpost Well I agree, that was a bit of sarcasm there. Isn't that the whole point of this thread -- that people should respect communal spaces?

― saleXander / sophie (salexander), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:58 (twenty years ago)

this is the thing - it's only certain kinds of music you hear being played and sung on buses, same with booming car stereos - some sort of subcultural mandate almost.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:59 (twenty years ago)

get one car or bike or taxi, already.

-- Marcello Carlin
Yeah, because we're all made of money.

Why do they get a special dispensation because they are teenagers? Would a group of loud students or lairy City boys get the same kind of defense?

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 20 October 2005 11:59 (twenty years ago)

i'd like to hear more Indie Kids, Goths and Metallers playing stuff and singing along on buses, just to balance things out more.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

xpost Yeah they're old enough to know better but they just don't care. Teenagers tend to be apathetic about most things.

― saleXander / sophie (salexander), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

haha, this weird chap in my uni wanted to start an "apathetic society". but he couldn't be arsed

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:02 (twenty years ago)

Often grown ups don't like to complain because it makes them look like fun-hating fascists, often going as far as to condone teenagers behaviour so as to appear 'down'.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:02 (twenty years ago)

i blasts out loud indie classics from my car every now and then, window open

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:03 (twenty years ago)

xpost Yeah they're old enough to know better but they just don't care. Teenagers tend to be apathetic about most things.
-- saleXander / sophie (silva11...), October 20th, 2005.

if only they'd be apathetic enough to stfu on the bus at 8.20am...

Often grown ups don't like to complain because it makes them look like fun-hating fascists, often going as far as to condone teenagers behaviour so as to appear 'down'.
-- Sociah T Azzahole (stevem7...)

and because we don't want to get beaten up.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:03 (twenty years ago)

some grown ups are just wooly liberals that's all

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

xpost And they believe that it will only reinforce stereotypes of "adults" as stitched-up boring old people. Not that this isn't true a lot of the time but still.
Oh please no more wooly liberals jokes!

― saleXander / sophie (salexander), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

IT'S A BUS IT'S A PUBLIC SPACE THE WORLD ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE TO SUIT YOU YOU CAN'T STAND IT CARS BIKES & TAXIS ARE ALL AFFORDABLE DEAL WITH IT

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

Stop shouting, this is a public space.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)

And stop trying to turn London into a replica of whatever crappy provincial town you ran away from in the first place.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)

Your 'arguments' can be applied to the other party i.e. the noise-polluting teens just as easily.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

Ouch my ears hurt now from that blasting. There is a small thing called respect for others. It is how society works or tries to work.

― saleXander / sophie (salexander), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

haha, this reminds me. there was this one time i was on the bus home. and this dude came on the bus. and then the next stop, this couple came on the bus who obviously know the first dude.

i think the first dude was the brother of the girl of the couple or something and he was ANGRY. he was shouting at this other dude and was like "DUDE I'M GONNA SORT YOU OUT" as in like wanting to beat him up.

this was when the bus driver stepped in, and shouted the immortal words
"Oi! You guys cut it out. YOU'RE ON MY TURF NOW!!!"

OH MY GOD. how i laughed. haha. The first dude was totally just like "WTF lol it's not your 'turf' it's public transport" and threatened to sort the driver out too. i laughed so hard.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

It's not a London thing though. I've seen it in Manchester and Wolverhampton and Leeds. So ... I think we've wondered from the point slightly.

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

"..always ill at ease in a public space and i feel like i wanna die.."

― vacuum cleaner (electricsound), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

STOP TRYING TO MAKE MY NICE QUIET BUS A REPLICA OF YOUR BEDROOM.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

you want a nice quiet bus, go buy a bus.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

Wow, I did not expect this thread to explode like this.

My feelings on the matter, well, I went into some detail on the Watercooler thread about the arsehole that finally drove me off the 59 with his "gift" of playing loud jazz for the entire bus.

It's a place where the Categorical Imperative might be a good thing. What if everyone on the bus started playing music really loudly? Then no one would be able to hear their own music, let alone hear themselves think. You do not have the right to inflict noise on others in a public space. The rules of the bus reflect this, that's why there are big signs saying "please show consideration for the other passengers and use headphones". I don't care if it's music, loud mobile phone conversations or what.

Now I am going to go elsewhere and not feed the obvious troll here.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

i might buy you a clue if you're lucky (xpost)

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

Goodbye Kate.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

It's the universal scourge, not exclusively in the UK. Can he buy a vowel or only consonants?

― saleXander / sophie (salexander), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)

how interesting that this thread is full of middle-aged, predominantly white people complaining about the behaviour of young, predominantly black people.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

I think I shall join Lixi in getting a large portable stereo and blasting Sibelius and Tavener. If you can't beat 'em , join em.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:16 (twenty years ago)

predominantly black, really?

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

are you saying that all young, predominantly black people are rude on buses? i won't stand for this sort of racism and nor will the MP of my original province.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

it's terrible. six months in darcus howe's boot camp for me!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:18 (twenty years ago)

blimey this thread took off over my lunch hour!

has this been raised in Metro letters yet?

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:18 (twenty years ago)

xpost Actually that was not even mentioned and had not crossed my mind. Besides, am not middle-aged.

― saleXander / sophie (salexander), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:19 (twenty years ago)

Actually, there was a metro letter about it this morning! I laffed as I read it on the (very quiet, very middle class) train.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

"too loud" = "middle-aged"

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

middle-aged? middle-twenties i suppose.

― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

i haven't read metro in ages :-( glad to see i'm in tune with the letter writers worries though :-)

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

We do sound like cranky letters to the editor writers. Signing off "annoyed and confused." What's the world coming to?

― saleXander / sophie (salexander), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

kids these days ay?

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

It's not like in the olden days when kids showed respekt and they could be smacked with a rolling pin.

― saleXander / sophie (salexander), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:24 (twenty years ago)

"Come on people, the 1980s are over. It was considered cool about 20 years ago to be walking down the street or sitting in a bus with a huge ghettoblaster next to you that had some strange music roaring out of it. Nowadays, this is seriously uncool."

Translation:
"In the 1980s I used to walk down the street or sit in a bus with a huge ghettoblaster next to you that had some strange music roaring out of it. Nowadays, I am 40 years old, I haven't had a decent fuck in twelve years, I can't control my kids, I can't meet the minimum payments on my Visa, I compromised instead of making something of my life, and I hate myself and I want to die and I see that bottle of valium on the dresser and I want to swallow everything in it, pour paraffin all over this sad imitation of a home and set fire to the whole, ugly, fraudulent mess which serves only to remind me of the wasted opportunities and final failure of my non-life, which has turned out to be seriously uncool and IF I CAN'T HAVE A LIFE ANY MORE THEN I'M FUCKED IF ANYONE ELSE WILL."
Maryke Jensen, London

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:27 (twenty years ago)

I, for one, think its fucking wonderful. I wish I had a roving pack of folk to get rambunctious with in the face of all the dour DC Metro riders. Instead I will maintain my bubble of space with my iPod. Christ, that's SOOOOO lame. I am totally going to miss public transit with my upcoming move to LA. Such a great equalizer - forces you to mix with folk.

3pm = Music time on the Red Line from Brookland to Gallery Place. Its AWESOME.

One especially funny occurance: About ten kids from the high school near my law school got on at the same stop as me. Three of them were singing some gospel song by Kirk Franklin (the name is a mystery to me). Another in their group stops one that is singing, saying "That's not right. Here's how you do it." and proceeds to MURDER the song. Like Carl Lewis National Anthem bad. And all nine other kids, and about 10 of the other riders, laughed our asses off.

― Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:43 (twenty years ago)

Such a great equalizer - forces you to mix with folk.

really?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:47 (twenty years ago)

Well, I'm sorry I ever posted. I'll just go back to repressing everything, because I obviously have no right to raise any kind of objection to anything. I should just turn a blind eye to anything that offends or bothers me.

xpost

― Chief Egg (alix), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:48 (twenty years ago)

i threatened to throw someone's phone out of the window last week if they didn't turn it off - they did, because i really was not fucking around. i HATE this beyond anything i've ever experienced on public transport in london.
forcing other people to listen to your music is a pretty big invasion to make into someone's life and shows absolutely no respect for anyone around you - the chances are that i might 90 per cent of what these kids are playing on the no38, but i do not want to hear it there and i'm damned sure that the old indian lady sitting next to me doesn't, either, so wear headphones, please.
anna is absolutely right here and i'll stand by every point of her argument, especially the one about kids being vicious bastards - i didn't like kids when i was one and still don't and completely understand what she's saying.

― sfxxx, Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)

Hey, I'm with you Mr Egg.

What's worse is some cunt playing a "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" game on their mobile at full volume for an entire train journey in a packed train.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)

there's a WWTBAM game on the mobile?!??!? does it actually speak out the question? that's amazing if it does! or is it just BGM that it has

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

Mr Egg is a wumman!

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

I remember one night a couple of years ago when Porkypie and I were both heading north on the light blue one there was this guy with his walkman turned right up so everyone else could hear it too. We started dancing along. He was not impressed. We were quite drunk.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)

sfxxx: urban warrior OTM

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)

The prospect of seeing Porkypie dance almost makes me willing to take the tube again.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

This paragraph does not make sense in my head at all, unless "we" referred you and walkman guy, and "he" referred to Porkypie.
XPOST

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

(ah, it's a british thread. never mind)

-- amon (...), Today. (later)

Ha ha ha ha.

Stelfox OTM.

I avoid this by driving a white van to work.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

...well, not to be a troll myself, but, the whole issue of using private transport - cars, taxis, etc - when public transport is available? How selfish is that, in terms of pollution, traffic congestion, etc?

(Not you specifically, Pash, because you don't live in London, but still. The original suggestion seems very wrong-headed and selfish, especially in regards to London transport.)

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

for some reason the very cute girl who looked about 22, with great shoes and really nice dreads playing lil flip, teiarra mari, i wayne and big seac on monday night didn't annoy me in the slightest. i can't think why,

― sfxxxx, Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

ask her if she's got any Kaiser Chiefs next time

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

or ask her if she wants to go round to your bedroom to listen to some kaiser chiefs.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

The main reason I wound up using a van is because, well, actually it's becaue I get free use of the band's van and I get to stay in bed for an extra 1/2hr, but also, the buses up our way have become utterly useless in the last year, they just don't turn up at all a lot of the time.

If I lived in London, I'd use a bike.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

I thought you'd say that, given your occupation, Pash.

But the point was to others on this thread who used the "if you don't like it, take a cab" stance.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:29 (twenty years ago)

cyclists are a fucking menace. get one lights, bitches.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:29 (twenty years ago)

i had lights on my bike when i had one.

but then the bike got stolen (plus one of the lights. the other light was left behind for some reason)

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

HAHA I GUESS THEY TOOK "GET ONE LIGHT" TOO LITERALLY

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

I hate it when all the middle-aged white people start strumming guitars and singing Woody Guthrie songs on the bus.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:34 (twenty years ago)

Give it a fucking rest, I have 2 sets of lights on my bike.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)

i was planning to get a bike anyway

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:36 (twenty years ago)

Ah ha, hush that fuss
Everybody move to the back of the bus
Do you wanna bump and slump with us
We the type of people make the 43 get crunk

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:36 (twenty years ago)

I hate teenagers. I hate children. I hate most people who aren't me, actually.

― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

just as well really

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

On reflection, I have a hearty slice of self-hate in my life, too.

― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

Dude, Alan, if you were reading yr Pynchon properly you would know that there are special messages just for you in their singing. JOIN THEIR ANARCHIC INTERZONE LIVES NOW!

― alext (alext), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

"Last night on the 253 some people were listening to what I can only describe as white noise with shouting"

Alec Empire's new album?

― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

"white noise with shouting" sounds more like whitehouse!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

On the 253 home tonight I'm going to sing along to Atari Teenage Riot live at Brixton. Just to see if it's possible.

― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

Mr Egg, Ms Egg, what's the difference?

(Sorry Ms Egg)

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

On the 253 home tonight I'm going to sing along to Atari Teenage Riot live at Brixton. Just to see if it's possible.
-- Hello Sunshine (fiver_the_bunn...), October 20th, 2005 3:30 PM. (Hello Sunshine) (later) (link)

the bus will have to have taken quite a detour

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

No worriez, its a common mistake.

If I hear any atari teenage riot on the 253 do I have to come over and introduce myself?

― Ms Egg (alix), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

The record is called Atari Teenage Riot Live At Brixton. I shall be singing along somewhere near Finsbury Park.

― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

ha i wuz reading the whole malcom x mouthorgan journey down the toilet slothrop/US racism bit! that put the Ray J "one wish.. you wuz my boo" in an interesting perspective.

a singing comes across the bus. it has happened before and it's darkness whispers of brilliantine nights, smoky with the forgotten clods of bus shelters, white aced tramps mumbling their hermetic secrets haha if only we could hear, shop fronts empty and revealed in strobe light off/on watery and necritic through the hair-grease brushed windows lensed and ugly. But this is where it begins, metallic noise, and a chanting, a ritual against the night passing over forgotten souls...

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

too many "forgotten"s

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

Not that they invented it either, but the Beatles' Hard Day's Night film has that transistor radio in a small train carriage scene.
"Bet you're sorry you won", and that.

― M Carty (mj_c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

too many "forgotten"s
You could change some of them to "fear-gotten."

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

"What if everyone on the bus started playing music really loudly? Then no one would be able to hear their own music"

they wd hear a performance of john cage's 'imaginary music no.4' instead.

anyway I've always found this to be classic!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

I take a bus crammed with students every day. And their incoherent yelling, posturing and boring wittering about how drunk they were and how early their lectures are this term is far more annoying than the boisterous Moulsecoomb boys and their 50 Cent-isms with whom I used to share buses. For that matter I also get annoyed by the old women who spend every journey tutting and telling people not to stand on the stairs. It's all kind of rude. But unless any of us are prepared to confront them then we can't really complain if they don't realise how obnoxious they are being, right?

― Archel (Archel), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

Confrontation too risky. Best just to bitch about them behind their backs on an internet msg board really.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

I have confronted someone on this. And ended up in a huge and nasty BUSFITE!!! much to the amusement of the rubberneckers in the back of the bus.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

taking sides: trolls vs. rubberneckers?

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

what's a rubbernecker?

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

Well... originally it was a term for those people who slow down as they drive past carcrashes or accidents, craning their neck hoping to catch a glimpse of some gore.

On the bus, it's those people who jump up and run down to see what's going on and/or even cheer on when there's a BUSFITE. Or maybe this only happens in Lambeth, I don't know.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Kate looks like a troll!

― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

oh! i guess that's more like a lurker than a troll then?

xpost

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

No, it's more like the kind of people who hang out on threads waiting for a fight to errupt and then post pictures of dinosaurs and crap.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/kenjuggle3/stalker.gif

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

Is that your "lava flow" in the background?

What do you call someone who accuses people of reading their blog?

― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

but for that analogy to work rubberneckers will need to be carrying a printout of the dinosaur picture in their pockets

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

xpost

What do you call someone who accuses people of being The Amazing Randy?

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

Paranoid Spice (with two spaces)

― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

This happens often in Seattle buses, though it's usually portable CD players instead of Mp3s... and I'd much rather have someone semi-loudly singing along to a song on a CD-player, then him or her either yapping on the cell, or yapping to other friends on the bus... nothing wrong with *all* the above, but I find the former the most pleasant.

― iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

TRUE: Some dipshit was playing a small device like a walkman yesterday morning on the subway. It was not a cell phone, but it had a little speaker that was about the same quality. It looked like a regular discman but with a built-in speaker, I guess. And he was somewhat singing along.

FALSE: So, I started singing "row, row, row your boat." He got all up in my grill, so I asked him what his problem was. He said I was the one with the problem. I asked, "what you don't want to listen to me sing? Are you the only one allowed to sing on this train?" He came back with, "You're just trying to be an asshole." I said, "I happen to like 'row, row, row your boat' more than whatever you were playing, so I have every right to drown out your noise with my own." He told me he was going to kick my ass, but all of a sudden everybody on the train threw him to the ground and started kicking him.

― A good day was had by all, Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

My basic position is that it's fucking annoying when someone has one of those MP3 phones playing, unless there are kids singing along to it, in which case it instantly becomes completely brilliant.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

I am going to start singing nursery rhymes next time someone plays their stereo too loud on the bus. I am going to do this, that's the best idea I've heard yet.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

There was a wannabe rap crew on my bus once, I thought they were awful.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

If absolutely everyone started singing on the bus it really would make me inordinately happy. Nursery rhymes, wannabe rap, whatever.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

I think the raps were for a college project, they had folders and everything.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

I am going to start singing nursery rhymes next time someone plays their stereo too loud on the bus. I am going to do this, that's the best idea I've heard yet.

If you sing "row, row, row your boat," there's a chance you could get a round going with everyone else on the bus, so it's like you're all ganging up on the fool.

― A good time was had by all, Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

I'm coming to Glasgow and leading a bus chorus, then.

(Unless it's that horrible "AH'VE CABBAGED YER AMBULENCE!!!" bus driver we ran into last time I was in Glasgow.)

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

The last time we were in Glasgow, we were driving about in the most enourmous massive fuckoff tourvan. We got in a bit of a to-do with a bus, and I'm not sure whose fault it was, but he ended up clipping one of our sideview mirrors. Jane was all "OK, don't worry about it..." but he kept driving after us, shouting "AH'VE CABBAGED YER AMBULENCE!!! YER AMBULENCE!!! AH'VE CABBAGED YER AMBULENCE!!!" in an indecipherable Glaswegian accent.

We ended up cutting across a lane of traffic and dashing up a hill to get away from him.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

is it different when it is screeching hordes of essex girls in their 20s-30s going home on the n25 to when it is screeching hordes of schoolgirls in their teens going home on the 253? the schoolgirls pwn the essex girls 'cause the schoolgirls' language is fucking HILARIOUS (genuinely, no snidery intended) and the essex girls' language is just GRIM.

does anyone else call those girls OMGIs? (the school ones not the essex ones)

― emsk ( emsk), Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)

Jesus who can defend this, this is absolutely awful.

I hate when people attempt to invade others space on the bus, all of this behaviour is a sort of casting down of the gauntlet, to people. A few weeks ago I was getting the bus and these 3 girls were playing hard house/trance tunes with sort of ghetto tech lyrics ("face down, ass up, that's the way we like to fuck") over and over and it was so obviously trying to offend people.

But more than this it was a bit weird to hear 3 girls playing this record over and over, when the only value of it seemed to be its menace (and hey maybe some people like menace in music, I know a little of it is great but not just it on its own maybe)

Anyhow the music isn't important, it's the intimidation that really annoys me, and nobody ever says anything.

The resulting furoré if you do intervene is ridiculous anyhow, a few weeks ago I was on the bus and a girl sat in front of me with her friend and lit a cigarette, at like midday, I wouldn't even mind so much on a night bus.

Anyway my sinuses are so fucked that the thought of smoke in my face was actually quite scary, but I wasn't going to say anything, at least until she was dangling the cigarette far away from herself, over the back of the seat, with ash about to fall on me, at which point I grabbed her hand and moved it back above her own seat.

Anyway a massive freakout ensued with them both insulting me etc etc and saying "what the fuck are you going to do about it" when I said they were smoking on the bus, to which I simply replied I'd tell the bus driver and he'd kick them off the bus.

It got so aggressive in the end that I'd think twice about saying something again, maybe just move seats, I mean they kept going on and on and I'd have to take my headphones off and think of a witty response.

It just really pisses me off because I know full well they didn't need a cigarette at that very moment, it's a 30 minute bus journey and they're just trying to show off, so fucking annoying.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

And as for non child/teen related bus annoyances, upstairs on the nightbuses is just a fucking unholy nightmare here, twats singing for the entire journey and making comments about people as they get off the bus, I don't even bother sitting upstairs anymore, I sit downstairs with the depressed/alcohol sedated people and wear my ipod blanket.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

How easy it is to turn ILE into the Daily Mail at the click of a mouse.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 21 October 2005 05:40 (twenty years ago)

And people wonder why teachers are leaving the profession when kids see irritating and disruptive behaviour being defended as "Oh, we're only having a bit of a laugh - you don't like it, you must be dull and middle-aged". Christ.

― Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Friday, 21 October 2005 06:43 (twenty years ago)

face down ass up... is a two live crew lyric (who were once arrested while performing onstage)and i remember kids blasting this album on ghetto blasters in the park when i was in highschool.

carry on...

― kephm (kephm), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:06 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps the faux-liberals among us would like to propose realistic alternatives for kids to get to and from school if they don't like them making a racket on the bus, or corrective behavioural measures which they would like to see taken?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:07 (twenty years ago)

Ronan's right - it is about intimidation. Showing off, or looking for a fight. Flouting authority is a typical teenage activity. But seeing as how authority (and in this case, I have noticed that there are never these problems on busses that have conductors) has become a bit of a paper tiger, these teenagers transfer that "authority to be flouted" onto other passengers.

Yes, it's often dangerous to intervene. But honestly, what are the alternatives?

I am very uncomfortable with the "This is London, deal with it" attitude. It is uncomfortably close to "America: Love it or Leave It" and such attitudes. (How Nazi Germany Started, etc.)

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:13 (twenty years ago)

Yes, kids singing on buses are equitable with Dachau aren't they? Twerp.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:19 (twenty years ago)

No-one is expecting a bus full of kids to be an oasis of calm, but there's a hell of a difference between normal 'kids being kids' and the sort of behaviour that makes people want to turn into the character out of "Falling Down".

Not just youngsters, either - see also: parents doing nothing about their kids running riot on trains etc.

― Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:20 (twenty years ago)

Have you ever seen Falling Down? If you had done you would have realised that the "D" character was pretty fucked up to begin with.

But carry on with this ILxors-showing-their-true-Tory-colours show, it's very amusing.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:21 (twenty years ago)

No, it's the attitude of "love it or leave it" which is the first step.

Anyway, speaking of faux liberals, who was the first person blowing a barnet and calling for people to be banned when Graham was behaving badly in a pub?

So it's OK for you to call for someone to be banned, but for anyone else to call for hooligans to be similarly banned or dealt with, and we're "Tories".

Lovely to see you flying that fantastic British Middle Class Liberal HYPOCRISY there.

Anyway, the solution is simple. All the money that's being wasted on that current ad campaign showing the kids with the beercans "abuse it and lose it" could be spent putting conductors back on busses to deal with *all* hooligans and other lawbreakers on busses.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:27 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, yes, DNFTT. I forgot, mea culpa.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:27 (twenty years ago)

Yes, Kate, you're really providing some workable solutions to the problem there, aren't you? You've really disproved my theory that you're not out to cause misery and unhappiness with everything you post, haven't you?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:29 (twenty years ago)

There is a difference between a mentally ill adult physically abusing other people in a pub and kids who are doing nobody any harm except singing and talking very loudly, as kids are wont to do.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:31 (twenty years ago)

I fail to see how not liking noise on the bus equates to being a Tory, Marcello.

That being said, noisy buses don't bother me to any great degree. But that's because I'm unlikely to ever feel threatened by gangs of kids (harmless or otherwise). If I were little old lady replete with the tartan shopping trolley of legend I may well feel differently about it. But everyone knows old people are all fascists, don't they?

oops, xpost

― Matt (Matt), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:35 (twenty years ago)

Well they are, aren't they, admit it. All those blue-rinsed Dorises in their constituency associations spreading the dirt about that ~~drug addict~~ ~~gay~~ Mr Cameron, just like they did with Portillo...

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:36 (twenty years ago)

You look at any group of old people gathered at a hospital bus stop and I guarantee it will be fully 30 seconds maximum before they start going on about Those Asylum Seekers.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:37 (twenty years ago)

There's no truth to the rumour that Cameron's bribing Conservative Associations with tartan shopping trolleys full of poor quality beak. None whatsoever.

xpost ha, this is shortly before they remember when it was all fields around there, I take it?

― Matt (Matt), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:39 (twenty years ago)

If a person - old, young, or whatever - cannot follow the rules of a certain situation (and yes, most busses I've been on have it posted - no playing music without headphones, no smoking, etc.) - then they have no business being in that situation.

And playing loud music is the tip of the iceburg with behavioural problems on busses. It's the most visible (audible?) of a slew of worse problems - intimidation, threatening behaviour, BUSFITES - so it attracts the attention. How can a single driver maintain control over a whole bus, usually in heavy traffic, and still drive? Bring back conductors, to enforce the rules that busses - and society - have. It seems sensible.

If that makes me a "Tory" then fuck it, I'd rather be that than a hypocrite.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:41 (twenty years ago)

In some constituencies, it still is all fields around there!

(Matt xpost)

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:42 (twenty years ago)

This from someone who opined on ILE that at the last-but-one Poptimism she wanted to "kick everybody in sight."

One would be forgiven for assuming that a desire for moral standards in public society might usefully presuppose the proposer having moral standards of their own.

(you-know-who xpost)

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:44 (twenty years ago)

Oddly, I have stopped being bothered by this lately. I do wish the mobile phones had better bass response tho.

― RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:45 (twenty years ago)

Hey, at least I'm not banned from every public forum except one where people just keep me around out of pity.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:46 (twenty years ago)

If I have any pity to spare, Kate, it would be to do with the truly pitiful way in which you continue to allow your great talents and love for life to be sucked systematically and irretrievably into your miasmatic black hole of self-loathing.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:48 (twenty years ago)

EVERYBODY SHUT UP

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:49 (twenty years ago)

Two words people: TIME OUT. Before someone says something really regrettable.

― saleXander / sophie (salexander), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:50 (twenty years ago)

I'm surprised this thread's as long as it is anyway, I thought alan answered his own question first up.

― Matt (Matt), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:52 (twenty years ago)

The true urgent and key question here is surely whether impenetrable modern novels should be allowed on buses.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:53 (twenty years ago)

"Can't you read the sign? No David Beard!"

― Matt (Matt), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:55 (twenty years ago)

"DAVID FOSTER WALLACE LIABLE TO INSTANT £200 FINE"

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:57 (twenty years ago)

So much for actual discourse. We now return you to your regularly scheduled ILX of ad hominem attacks and unfunny injokes.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Friday, 21 October 2005 07:59 (twenty years ago)

ILx is actually very funny. Perhaps the misconception is due to the fact that most ILxors possess the innate sense of good humour which you yourself so sorely lack.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 21 October 2005 08:25 (twenty years ago)

Would the driver be a fascist for telling those kids to shut up else be kicked off the bus?

Would I be a fascist for banning Marcello Trollin from this thread now?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 21 October 2005 08:30 (twenty years ago)

Yes and yes, since you asked.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 21 October 2005 08:32 (twenty years ago)

But seeing as from the above evidence on this thread you and most of the other people who posted to it seem to be in agreement with the basic principles of fascism, so where's the conflict?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 21 October 2005 08:33 (twenty years ago)

So is someone going to give me a serious answer to the question I posed, i.e. realistic remedial solutions which don't involve sterilisation and/or concentration camps and/or forcible repatriation and/or suchlike?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 21 October 2005 08:34 (twenty years ago)

You do not deserve serious answers.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 21 October 2005 08:37 (twenty years ago)

ASBOs

xpost (ie what steve said)

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 21 October 2005 08:38 (twenty years ago)

disliking inconsiderateness = tory? nonsense.

fascism seems to be being invoked in a totally unrecognisable manner again.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 21 October 2005 08:46 (twenty years ago)

i cannot tell if marcello is being silly or deliberately baiting ppl

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 21 October 2005 08:48 (twenty years ago)

What frightens me even more is the idea that he might actually believe the crap that he spouts here.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Friday, 21 October 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)

both obviously, what a cheeky prankster, just like those sweet innocent kids on the bus.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 21 October 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)

it did occur to me to start reading aloud on the bus this morning. then the guy stopped playing music aloud so i was ok

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 21 October 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)

or these pathetic, miserable adults who didn't work hard enough at university and therefore don't earn enough money to drive a car or use taxis regularly and who really underneath it all want to be chaired everywhere in a sedan chair and as a disguise for the deep resentment and hatred of what their own lives have become, affect disgust at the behaviour of other people whose lives are better than theirs.

you don't like london, there's the door. deal with it or go live in stow on the wold.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 21 October 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)

one of the greatest moments. I was once on an overground train, listening to my ipod. I didn't think the volume was very loud. Anyway, the song that was on was Jamelia- Superstar, lovely song.

Halfway through the song, I happened to be looking around the train, and off a reflection from the window I could see a little girl (like 6 or 7 or so) in the next row of seats mouthing the words to the music and bopping her head in time! It was such a happy moment. I sang along with her (silently) "i dunno what it is that makes me feel like this i dunno who you are but you must be, some, kind, of, superstarrr" aw.

it was sad, they then left the train just around the end of the song just as I was planning to play all the top pop singalongs and be a train DJ.

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 21 October 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)

'don't earn enough money to drive a car or use taxis regularly'

Arch thatcherite logic that.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 21 October 2005 08:54 (twenty years ago)

well these people obviously want to be on their own and can't bear the thought of sitting or standing in an enclosed space with strangers (which surely is socialism in practice?), so yes, it probably is.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 21 October 2005 08:55 (twenty years ago)

is repetition the key to comedy?

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 21 October 2005 08:56 (twenty years ago)

horrible dogs stealing your sandwiches, people calling you a fag down Walthamstow market, black guys with chips on their shoulder barging past you on Streatham High St, understanding how the suicide bombers feel - yes Marcello certainly loves London alright as his constant moaning about it on ILE will show.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 21 October 2005 08:56 (twenty years ago)

TROLLFMAO

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 21 October 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)

this is tragicomic at best

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 21 October 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)

i'm still here aren't i? qed.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 21 October 2005 08:58 (twenty years ago)

This thread may be funnier than the "Down In The Tube Station at Midnight" one.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 21 October 2005 08:59 (twenty years ago)

so is everyone else. qed. xpost

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 21 October 2005 08:59 (twenty years ago)

My moaning is borne out of love - London can be shithole and paradise, sometimes in the same breath - whereas most of the moaning on this thread seems to be rooted in a deep-seated hatred.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 21 October 2005 08:59 (twenty years ago)

Here's Chris Benoit breaking Sabu's neck:

http://www.ringinsider.com/wrestlingmedia/photos/gifs/sabuneck.gif

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 21 October 2005 09:01 (twenty years ago)

"London can be shithole and paradise, sometimes in the same breath"

example

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 21 October 2005 09:02 (twenty years ago)

pay me a handsome sum

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 21 October 2005 09:03 (twenty years ago)

multi-x-post because I'm trying to give this some actual though, not pointed one-liners

Honestly, I can no longer tell when he's being "funny" or "trolling" or just being downright abusive and nasty.

But to bring up another thread, perhaps this is why women don't post more on political threads. Here we are, trying to have a discussion of a phenomenon which does have (local) political ramifications. It starts with a fairly innocent phenomenon (kids behaving badly on busses) but gets into more serious territory quite quickly (BUSFITES, hooliganism, etc.)

However, one person takes it upon himself to descend into ad hominem attacks and perverse fantasies about other posters' political agendas. And the whole discussion gets derailed.

I really would seriously like to know what is so "fascist" about the suggestion of putting conductors back on busses. But I've given up hope of getting a serious answer. There *are* rules and standards of behaviour on public transport, and they apply to everyone, regardless of age, race, class or what.

"Go get a car or a taxi" is not an alternative - private transport is killing the planet faster than any "Tory" ever could. What I would like is to stop a small minority of hooligans with entitlement issues to stop ruining public transport/space for everyone. Wow, kind of like this thread.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Friday, 21 October 2005 09:04 (twenty years ago)

This thread isn't funny, it's fucking sad. I thought people had changed. I can't be arsed with this.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 21 October 2005 09:04 (twenty years ago)

FFS Marcello does nothing on this board but piss and moan and when someone else does it they're Daily Mail-reading Tories?

Fuck off you trolling twat.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Friday, 21 October 2005 09:05 (twenty years ago)

don't worry Kate, there is no fascism here.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 21 October 2005 09:05 (twenty years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_%28epithet%29

By 1944, the term had already become so widely and loosely employed, that British essayist and novelist George Orwell was moved to write " ... the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox hunting, bullfighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else."

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 21 October 2005 09:09 (twenty years ago)

My moaning is borne out of love - London can be shithole and paradise, sometimes in the same breath - whereas most of the moaning on this thread seems to be rooted in a deep-seated hatred.

Drivel. And it's your own self-hatred (backed with a monotonous rendition of ' Narcissist On The Shore' on the AA side) plus Aspergers Free Pass that keeps you in London, on ILX and a damn dirty troll beyond the point of mere devil's advocacy. But then you are well aware of this already and it's all part of the 'fun' no doubt.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 21 October 2005 09:09 (twenty years ago)

you know what all your problems are guys??

you guys r all gay and you probably all have sex with your phones

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 21 October 2005 09:11 (twenty years ago)

An ad hominem attack, Kate? On what or whom, exactly? On the constant arrogance, unpleasantness and hydra-headed moral duplicity which you continue to propagate on ILx on a depressingly regular and circuitous basis? As I said above, what I feel about that is more sorrow than anger.

And secondly, if you see it as an attack, and before you trot off to complain on the Moderator Request Forum, ask yourself this: what exactly are you defending? Surely even you can see that the thing you're protecting most fervently is the very thing that's slowly destroying you. And we can all agree that that's what's happening to you at the moment, can't we?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 21 October 2005 09:11 (twenty years ago)

Projection is a bitch, isn't it, Marcello.

What Stevem said.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Friday, 21 October 2005 09:12 (twenty years ago)

seriously, this has come to "i know you are, what am i"???

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 21 October 2005 09:13 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

revive (and unlock!) as there is now a petition you can sign if people's shitty phone music offends you on the bus:

http://www.hovis21.com/buses.html

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

but then how would you actually enforce a ban anyway? presumably the driver cannot do this themselves and people won't complain for fear of verbal abuse or worse.

how long til mobile phone companies are sued (if they haven't been already?) for 'emotional distress' or whatever...

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

o the caprice

MP3 Girls II (The Haircut Indie Remix)

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

i mean hey if you really *want* this unlocked, "cool beans", holmes.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

but then how would you actually enforce a ban anyway? presumably the driver cannot do this themselves and people won't complain for fear of verbal abuse or worse.

well, it's a bit like the 'ban' on knifing people...

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

Bring back conductors.

This is the solution to 9 out of 10 bus antisocial behaviours.

Reading that survey, I realised that I'm one people who has actually stood up to these kids - most people don't, because they're afraid to. Younger people just tend to ignore the requests, because what kind of authority does a fellow passenger have? Bring back conductors with the ability to THROW PEOPLE OFF THE BUS if they cannot comply.

― Do Not Feed The Crush (kate), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

(Ironically, I was on the receiving end of physical violence from an OLD LADY for asking her to be quiet. MP3 players were not involved, though, so it's outside the remit of this survey.)

― Do Not Feed The Crush (kate), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

Sharing headphones! An earpiece each! Terrible harmonising and uncoordinated hand jiving and finger wavery! Eagerly anticipating a rousing chorus! Classic!

(except when I'm pissed off and tired, which is more often than it should be, and is my fault anyway)

this thread omg

― Onimo has bone for the pink overload! (GerryNemo), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

headphones? earpieces? dude are you from the 90s? they just straight play their "akon" or their "dubstep" out loud round my ends.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

(nw3, since you ask)

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

I'm from the 70s! In my day you'd get a clip round the earpiece for that kind of nonsense!

― Onimo has bone for the pink overload! (GerryNemo), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

we should have bouncers with guns on buses

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

otm

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

Woha Nelly. A defense that maybe we should chuck all the threads in the bin and start afresh when we move?

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

how long til mobile phone companies are sued (if they haven't been already?) for 'emotional distress' or whatever...

but erm phones don't distress people rappers do?

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

xpost we should have bouncers with guns for threads

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

was a bit on Today, about this, er today, not just a petition but a 'commons motion'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4488146.stm

― My Koogy Weighs A Ton (koogs), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

i mean hey if you really *want* this unlocked, "cool beans", holmes.

no i wouldn't have unlocked this one if i'd remembered and been able to find that one. daaamn.

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

to answer the question: i haven't come across this often enough to nominate this as the duddest of dud. usually i just shrug it off, they're having fun. i much prefer this over aggression (which happens here often enough).

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

you should start a shop at a street corner for unlocking people's threads

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

people having fun... ugh

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

God, I was on a QUIET CARRIAGE down to the Isle of Wight. It was the bestest thing ever. Mainly because if anyone's phone even rang, there would be horrible glares swivelling from all around and almost in unison, all the people in the compartment would say "QUIET PLEASE SSSHHHH!"

Until some German tourists got on, and kept pointing at the "quiet carriage" sign and laughing. People shusshed them, but they pretended not to understand English. Ban German tourists!

― Do Not Feed The Crush (kate), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

i now know why it's the same song over and over tho. i have rex t dogg "maximise" and ONLY THAT on my tinny speaker nu phone

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

plz to relock after this image (it's an elaborate lex zing):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/87/Akon_-_Locked_Up_-_CD_cover.jpg/200px-Akon_-_Locked_Up_-_CD_cover.jpg

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

fucking germans

xxpost

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

we should have bouncers with guns in germany.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, maybe that's an idea. Have designated QUIET BUSes.

No one under the age of 25 allowed on.

Leaving the rest of us free to read our novels in peace.

― Do Not Feed The Crush (kate), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

What about raving piss-stained maniacs in their 50s tho?

― dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

In Nazi Germany, the buses drive you?

― teh_kit (g-kit), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

Conductors would be far too expensive to re-introduce.

Community support officers could incorporate occasionally riding buses at random acting as some sort of authority (as well as security). An increased security presence on buses and trains is definitely needed imo.

The most obvious thing would be 'please keep the music down' (or similar) signs alongside the 'no smoking' signs*. I guess if you can enforce a smoking ban on public transport you ought to be able to enforce a noise pollution ban on the same basis. But who would agree on definition of loud? loud tinny music thru earphones can be just as annoying.

Instead of 'quiet carriages' there should probably be 'loud carriages' on trains.

*i'm still surprised by the lack of 'no litter' signs on buses also. buses are often absolute pigstys upstairs cos of all the food waste on the floor.

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

bouncers with guns will deal with them

xpost exactly

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

except nazi germany is shit because it's full of fucking germans

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

Conductors would be far too expensive to re-introduce.

they could reassign those fuckers who swarm the buses when they're having a 'let's check people's bus passes' day.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

I don't understand why people can get so worked up over something as trivial as playing music. Or cellphones. Relax, have a break take a Kitkat. Or E. Or whatever to get that huge amount of STRESS of your back; :-)

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

Instead of 'quiet carriages' there should probably be 'loud carriages' on trains.

i'm sure on one of these threads i had suggested a PARTY ZONE for buses and trains.

but only if there are bouncers with guns

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

quiet carriages are RUBBISH though because:

you don't get to choose whether you sit in them or not, especially not when buying cheap tickets, you are just given one times reserved seat, why don't they use the button they used to use for booking smoking tickets????

large #s shouty children with indulgent parents

i'm not saying they are theoretically bad, but the current execution leaves a lot to be desired...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Or whatever to get that huge amount of STRESS of your back; :-)

sing a song

with guns

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

I don't understand why people can get so worked up over something as trivial as playing music. Or cellphones.

that is the point, people are unable to relax because of other people's noise

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

Massive DUD on the 721 with the girls from Mitcham High School. No, just no.

― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

people can relax once they have guns.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

It was all over once they gave the policemen guns.

― Do Not Feed The Crush (kate), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

kate how is this 'antisocial' behavior?

― anticon jemima (ooo), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

You two mean butter, not guns

xpost

― Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

I get to hear music from tinny phone speakers almost every day at school. You get used to it. Actually, i say Music but it is always inexplicably the same song- "Sir, have you heard this? *plays chamillionaire's ridin from nokia", "why yes, because it is the same song that you have all had on your phones since the start of term. please bluetooth each other different songs"

At my last school the fashionable phone songs all seemed to be happy hardcore remixes of 90s club trax like n-trance and vengaboys. "Hey, i remember this tune" "no you don't sir, it's new!"

― Slumpman (Slump Man), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

the policemen and their singing along to their mp3 enabled guns?

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

antisocial

1. Shunning the society of others; not sociable.
2. Hostile to or disruptive of the established social order; marked by or engaging in behavior that violates accepted mores: gangs engaging in vandalism and other antisocial behavior.
3. Antagonistic toward or disrespectful of others; rude.

probably 2, definitely 3!

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

but trying to ban them from buses is 1.!

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

2. Hostile to or disruptive of the established social order;

but noisy personal stereos on public transport *is* the established social order.

― Onimo has bone for the pink overload! (GerryNemo), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

as with smokers, kenneth

but noisy personal stereos on public transport *is* the established social order.

it's not because it's still a minority doing it

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

but mp3s don't give you cancer!

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

mobile phones may well do tho

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah but everyone else complaining about it has been the established social order since the Walkman.

― Onimo has bone for the pink overload! (GerryNemo), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

mobile phones don't give you more cancer by playing mp3s!

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

it has been the established social order since the Walkman.
-- Onimo has bone for the pink overload! (gerry.wat...), November 23rd, 2006.

naw. the out-loud mp3 thing is different.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

what i've been wondering on the side is if there were no health problems at all with smoking, would there still be enough complaints about the smell of it to result in bans. comparable to food smells and litter perhaps, but still seems worse.

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

This thread = woah.

Total dud to be honest. Mirth and frivolity have no place in public.

― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

that is the point, people are unable to relax because of other people's noise

no, it's their attitude.

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

no, it's the noise.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

hey if you don't like it THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM!

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

if there's no health problems steve everyone would be smoking because it's k-kool!!!!!!

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

who the fuck gets on a city bus & tries to 'relax'?

― anticon jemima (ooo), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

voice of reason, finally

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

If everyone listened to music there'd be no problem.

― Onimo has bone for the pink overload! (GerryNemo), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

can we ban buses having engines?? thats usually louder than any music i hear

― anticon jemima (ooo), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

also ban all other cars from the road

― anticon jemima (ooo), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

banbus lol

― anticon jemima (ooo), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

people don't get on a city bus TO relax

a sense of relaxation may and often does occur on a city bus journey regardless

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

not if i can help it

― anticon jemima (ooo), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

a sense of relaxation may and often does occur on a city bus journey regardless

reading some of the posts on this thread i very much doubt a sense of relaxation EVER occurs with some people

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

so where to draw the line then?

how much of other people's noise and pollution are people prepared to put up with on public transport?

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/southerncounties/going_out/clubbing/images/bus_270.gif

should've looked at what it said on the bus

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

72.4dB

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

0.1 more than that and it's guns

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

Everyone relax!

http://www.grijalvo.com/imagenes_t_Lagos_Nigeria/Lagos%20Bus%20Park---1.jpg

― Onimo has bone for the pink overload! (GerryNemo), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

but the gun will be loud, so then i'll have to kill myself

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

ken c is obviously one of these shitbag kids.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.grijalvo.com/imagenes_t_Lagos_Nigeria/Lagos%20Bus%20Park---1.jpg

oxford circus, yesterday

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

SHUT UP YOU LOT I'M TRYING TO READ!

http://www.drakedeltagamma.org/random%20party%20bus.jpg

― Onimo has bone for the pink overload! (GerryNemo), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

can we ban buses having engines?? thats usually louder than any music i hear

it's the high frequencies tho isn't it? rumbley engines are easier to tolerate (plus you expect them in advance). it can even be worse if the music isn't that loud but monotonous and audible enough to be constantly background but out of your control. maybe there are some scientific studies out there to back this up, maybe not.

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

oops, hueg img, sorry

― Onimo has bone for the pink overload! (GerryNemo), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.icons.org.uk/library/images-one-use-only/routemaster/SUM003AQ.jpg

you lot should SMILE and be HAPPY!

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

describing people as shitbag is quite rude! careful you might get an asbo.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

i'll have you merked, on the 43 son.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

so where to draw the line then?

how much of other people's noise and pollution are people prepared to put up with on public transport?

am actually interested in ppl's serious answers to this if at all possible

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

haha like to see you try dude. but try and merk me quietly though people will be trying to read

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

how much of other people's noise and pollution are people prepared to put up with on public transport?

Serious answer?

Listening to music without headphones on public transportation is TOTALLY unacceptable.

If you are using those little tinny leaky headphones, I should not be able to hear your music over the engine noise of the bus or train. Sometimes this is unavoidable on a packed bus or train, but if I'm sitting in another row and I can hear your music, that's too loud.

― Do Not Feed The Crush (kate), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

am actually interested in ppl's serious answers to this if at all possible

i don't know steve, i think to me it's not even a question of noise level it's more a kind of nature of it i suppose. a group of people having fun singing amongst themselves is kind of jolly and happy, but if people are actively provoking others (e.g. throwing chips to people and that, and merking people!!) then i think it's properly antisocial

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

exactly! i mean, how long is this gonna *bother* you? half an hour of your life?

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

a lot of people travel on the bus for more than half an hour of their lives, nathalie.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

and most of them survive

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

Seriously, Nathalie, when was the last time you commuted by bus?

It's one thing if it's just half an hour out of your life every few weeks. It's quite another thing when it's a day in, day out hour there, hour back experience, five days a week, 48 weeks of the year.

― Do Not Feed The Crush (kate), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not even thinking about people singing along to music cos i haven't experienced that on a bus for well over a year myself. often in those cases the offence may well be more the poorness of the singing rather than the singing itself (as mentioned way upthread). i guess people who can actually sing well wouldn't feel the need to do it in those situations tho (unless they're filming a Coca-Cola advert of something).

i mean, how long is this gonna *bother* you? half an hour of your life?

half an hour or more every day for some people perhaps. maybe you can't understand why that would annoy them but i can see it.

you might as well be arguing about only one instance of someone smoking near you not actually being a big deal (as it's would only be for a few minutes so what's the harm?) because only frequent, persistent passive smoking would actually be bad for your health.

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

I could sit on a bus/train with 100 phones playing 100 different tunes at the same time, and be perfectly happy.
Throw "other people" into the mix, and I'm gone.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

Too true. Fuck laid back when someone is just being a pain in the face looking for attention.

― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

well if we're all surviving there can't be a problem.

xposts

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

also: from this thread i see a lucrative market in a system of those ear canal headphones and a looping cassette tape of bus engine noise.

i'm taking this to dragon's den tonight.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

well if we're all surviving there can't be a problem.

finally, enlightenment

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

I think if I used public transport, I'd be the cunt yelling "LOL GOOD BOY!" at his DS, so, whatever.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

Clearly, I need to get noise reduction headphones if I'm ever to venture out in public again.

The funny thing is, kids singing on the bus doesn't particularly bother me. I think "ah, they're just having fun". It's people who BLAST THEIR MP3 PLAYERS that really wind me up.

Singing = spontaneous expression of joy.
Blasting music = attempt to co-opt the space of others around you.

― Do Not Feed The Crush (kate), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

Is your nintendog called Lol?

xpost

― Onimo has bone for the pink overload! (GerryNemo), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Aye Ken, but whit happens if the bus falls off the bridge and ye can't hear yirself droonin'? D'ye ken Ken? Sorry but ah'm oot!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

What annoys me is people playing their bluetoothed spam (Garlic Bread!, AMIBOVVERED?, Shaggy Taxi Call, Hammy, etc.*) to their friends even though everyone knows everyone else has already heard it.

*this excludes bangers.mp4 which is fucking comedy gold

― Onimo has bone for the pink overload! (GerryNemo), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

i still think Alba put it best

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

thing is that noise isn't the issue. ppl are prepared to put up with chatter and all manner of noise. but other ppls MUSIC is WAY more distracting and annoying. i can't read my pile of free papers on my NINETY minute journey the five miles to work with trebly music playing behind me.

i heart this thread now.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

yeh i love mass hubbub and chatter. this could and usually is louder than just one or two people shouting and squawking but the latter will always be infinitely more annoying. go figure.

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

goes back to my point about the nature of the noise

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

It's all another subtle TfL plot to force us to walk or cycle to work.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

i mean, like, kate's point of people BLAST their mp3 players, it depends what manner this is done isn't it, i'm guessing most people won't BLAST their mp3 players on their own, on a bus full of people, cos that's weird!! but for a group it's different because that's the only way to share the music together, rather than an attempt to piss people off??

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

It's just as often youths on their own, as with a gang of youths.

― Do Not Feed The Crush (kate), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

I've seen mp3 battles on the top deck of the 417 between grown adults. A middle-aged Rasta started blasting out some crappy ragga. A lad down the front responded with a live version of "Paranoid." He had no chance.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

...anyway, to turn it around, what's so urgent about that song that they have to listen to it RIGHT NOW? Can't they wait until they get home? Or at least get off the bus? Will half an hour of NOT hearing that song make such a terrible difference in quality of *their* lives?

― Do Not Feed The Crush (kate), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

THAT'S RACIST!

― teh_kit (g-kit), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

To some people music literally is a drug.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

Why racist?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

they probably don't have to listen to it no! maybe that's why they don't complain to you when they need to listen to some tunes when you're not playing any out loud

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

ken has no manners.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

Ed and I were on a 7 once and these two girls behind us started playing Usher and snickering when I turned around to give them the 'be quiet' face. They did it to be challenging and I came very close to grabbing the one girl's phone.

I've seen plenty of people just absentmindedly playing their music softly and it doesn't bug me but when it becomes apparent the person is on a "challenge mission" to provoke an altercation that's a bit different. However I'd be in two minds about a confrontation with a certain type of teenager because of spate of 'respect'-based bus attacks, as I am the type to address respect rhetoric such as 'are you disrespectin' me?' with 'what do you reckon, you illiterate piece of shit?'

However OMGIs (Emsk sez this stands for Oh My God Innit) without four-octave range attempting the Complete Works of Mariah Carey should be actionable by the Fashion Police.

― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

i have manners benrique, i just don't force everyone else to have the same manners as i do.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

goddamn liberals

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

bite me

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

(but only if you want to)

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

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― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

but for a group it's different because that's the only way to share the music together, rather than an attempt to piss people off??

it's a lot more complicated than that i think. the technology to 'share' music with each other in these situations has been around since the portable radio. in the past you may have got the odd geezer on the bus or train with a portable radio but this was far less common than the phones thing what with the latter being cheaper, smaller etc. surprising tho that i never saw people with handheld gaming devices on PT much before mobiles really took off as gaming devices themselves. 'listening' to music on a phone requires less concentration than playing a game (or indeed reading a book) tho.

so the inclination to do this has been permissable purely by technology rather than any major social changes (i don't think it's to do with kids feeling their sense of individuality more compromised, or more alienated in whatever way - these things seem fairly constant). and altho i am a fan of technology in general, this disturbs me somewhat. it almost suggests that if it had always been available and this easy, certain people would've done it. this is interesting as it suggests technology continues to 'liberate' in this way, allowing people to express themselves more...but in ways that compromise other people's own preferences. who has the right of way? it seems like strange new territory despite the earlier precedents.

if it had always been possible in this way, i still don't think i would've done it when i was younger (working on the basis that it's less common for people over 18 to do this altho there will be some instances no doubt) but obv. that's easy for me to say. i was always pretty quiet on public transport tho (obv. when alone you didn't have much choice anyway back then - don't remember ever getting asked to turn my walkman music down tho, and the one time i was asked to turn Cd player music down - by the driver! - i immediately did and felt a bit embarrassed ha).

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)