Johnny Depp: Cool or Fool?

Has anyone seen the film he directed, The Brave?

So, yeah, Depp performances. Is there anything to destroy? Probably not. But I'd say search above all Ed Wood, Dead Man, Pirates..., The Ninth Gate (not a great film, but a lovely performance), Arizona Dream (ditto), Edward Scissorhands.

The Man Who Cried is worth seeing just for its unreality, and the transcendent silliness of Depp playing this over-the-top gypsy himbo.

Cry-Baby eh. ("Eh" is my firm position on John Waters.)

Leonardo DiCaprio said, around the time of Titanic, that he saw Depp as his model for how he'd like his career to go.

How do you mean exactly, TH? Do you mean you can sense the effort or simply are aware of the artifice?

Anybody who gets Disney to let him play a pirate that aggressively swishy (hello! eyeliner! hello! holding compass like a makeup compact! hello! uberfayness!) is cool

Do you mean... Jerry Bruckheimer? (Cue ghoulish circus music.)

I really liked The Ninth Gate. "Boris Balkan" and all that.

Yeah! With the awesome neon magenta blood spurting everywhere. I mean, the autopsy scene is the funniest thing put to film. That film is awesome.

I totally love Johnny Depp and would have all of his children, robots or not. Ed Wood and Edward Scissorhands are two of my all time favorite movies. I also like Benny & Joon, fuck ya'all hataz (not that anyone's said anything about that film yet but someone WILL).

"You have to be double-jointed... and Hungarian!"

sorry, I'll stop now

(x post)

(let me know what Johnny says, amateurist)

Here is the latest script that has been offered to me. Please inform me Classic or Dud within the next seven days.

Yours,

J. Depp

http://www.monesi.com/sergio/movies/feb99/fearlasvegas3.jpg

NED DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THAT ED WOOD BULLSHIT.

i mean it's serviceable, it moves the story along, but it's totally overdetermined. this style is fine for character actors, and in fact preferable for small parts—we don't want the will, vulnerability, and relaxed humanity of the cab-driver to distract us too much from the scenic goals of our protagonist, for instance, we want him to do that cab driver thing he does so we can get on with the story—which is why I really think Depp is a very good character actor stuck inside the cheekbones of a leading man.

It was perfect for "Fear and Loathing" because Hunter S. Thompson has neither vulnerability nor humanity.

(I think Sweet and Lowdown was something of a one-off for Penn, he usually doesn't lose himself like that. I bet he shudders when he sees it.)

How can you say that Ed Wood's "will" was lost in the role Tracer? That performance was all will!

But I thought Sean Penn was great in Sweet and Lowdown. I don't think that the depiction of a certain particular kind of humanity is neccessary for a movie; naturalistic acting is of course just as much of a style as Depp's mannered approach.

Not enough people up in here are talking about his performance in Fear and Loathing which I must say was totally righteous and wonderful (as someone who's witnessed The Hunter Thompson Show firsthand). It probably helps that he actually, y'know, knows Hunter Thompson and has been around him and stuff. This is not an advantage he had making Sleepy Hollow.

Plus he's one of the only rock-stars-in-a-band where the band wasn't half-bad (although it helped that 2 of the 4 members came from Butthole Surfers).

not to be a prick but I could've sworn this was my idea.

Johnny Depp is an excellent actor. He's not my favorite though. My favorite actor is R2-D2.

"Can your HEART withstand the shocking facts about...GRAVE ROBBERS FROM OUTER SPACE?"

Still haven't seen From Hell yet, though....

Ned: Can you prove that it DIDN'T happen?!

(x-post)

I feel asleep in From Hell too (at home).

I agree, but I prefer it because I think it produces more open-ended, less determined results.

I'll admit I find Depp fascinating, because of his narcissism, which he never seems comfortable with. He goes out of his face to efface "himself" (whatever that is; if you watch an interview with him he's lost in his own haze to the point of being bad-mannered). He loads up on tics and extraordinary makeup, it's like self-flagellation. Thats why DiCaprio will never be Depp: DiCaprio is totally at ease with his own self-regard.

Actually, Ally, I think I got the Tom=HST, and I certainly didn't come up with F&LNYC. It's an easy mistake to make, a simple way to tell the difference is

The photo is from when we got 40s and went to the park. Because that definitely happened.

http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808403552

The director for Preacher appears to be Rachel Talalay. Eek.

They make you watch those now in the States?

Whether it's shtick or not I don't really care. Why should I demand any more realness or whatever from him on TV than in the movies?

(nb: it may not, in fact.)

-- Tammy (bunnyrabit3...), February 14th, 2004.

You've really said it all Tammy!

-- Ashley (lr4ev...) (webmail), February 14th, 2004 3:12 AM. (later) (link)

you've really said it all ashley!

-- amateur!st (amateur!s...), February 14th, 2004.

You've really said it all, amateur!st!

I have to go and have a cold shower now....

And there is nothing wrong with living in France to get away from LA! I think it's great that he's so happy with Vanessa and his kids...he seems much more at ease.

I'm not a raging obsessed fan...there are a few films that I wasn't all too impressed with, usually he was the shining star of the movie and the rest sucked (Man Who Cried). He's so angsty and alienated in What's Eating Gilbert Grape that you want to hug him, hilariously sissified in Sleepy Hollow and who knew he'd look so nice in eyeliner as a loveable pirate???

He's filming about 30mins from here!
Hmm maybe he'll want to try the delights of shopping in Oxford in his time off.. maybe not.

-- Horace Mann (handsomishbo...), July 15th, 2003.

what the hell does this mean?

he causes the chocolat but i cause the pain, innit, word life.

JOHNNY DEPP! YOU AND I MAY BE 25 YEARS APART! BUT... BUT WE WERE MEANT TO.. MEET EACHOTHER!!!! .. I want to be his best friend ^_^

SO CUTE HOW YE NAMED YER SON JACK AND LILYROSE!!! HOW THE WEATHER IN FRANCE!? HUH! I HATE IT HERE IN ILLINOIS... damn damn damn damn damn damn damn damn can you imagine having a winterday after a summerday over.. and over.... and over... GOOD NIGHT JOHNNY SEXY SEXY!!!

Stitch says hi, spongebob says wassap and he said you'de know what he meant when I told you he said hes ready.. WINK WINK, and Puss In Boots says "Donkey attemped rape me twice. Help. Oh. No. Not again."
Yes...
Zim says he will find you for me on his way around the world to take it over. Gir says 'bark'. . . yeah.. NIGHT NIGHT BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KEEP CHARMING IN YOUR NEXT MOVIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MBOT probably wrote the closer, "You Know I Couldn't Last" for you.

Morrissey used the I Kill You With Guns McQueen backdrop in one of his tours, and in a recent interview, I think it was this picture that was up in his house. Everything is coming full circle.

So no one knows if JD still lives there? What kind of lame board is this?

Johnny Depp= cool.

6.  MANSION OWNED BY JOHNNY DEPP (high on the hillside just west of  Sweetzer Avenue)

When actor Johnny Depp bought this 29-room mansion in 1995, some entertainment magazines reported that it was once owned by Bela Lugosi and that the Munchkins stayed there during the filming of The Wizard of Oz.  Hollywood historian Laurie Jacobson insists that neither claim is correct, and that the castle only looks like the type of home the one-time Dracula star might have lived in. 

In fact, the castle was once owned by Hersee Moody Carson, the childless widow of a multimillionaire, and it was called the “Castle of the Fairy Lady”  because she used to hold parties there for orphans on major holidays during the 1930s and 1940s.  Before Depp shelled out $2.3 million for the gated estate, it was owned by divorce attorney Michael Mitchelson, who lost it in a bankruptcy after being convicted of tax fraud.

What you can see from Sunset, behind thick foliage, is the backside of the mansion.  The front entrance is on North Sweetzer Avenue.

Is this hard to find? Can someone from L.A. take me to the next door residence please?

Radio 2 will also host the world premiere broadcast of the first musical collaboration between Andrew Lloyd Webber and Tim Rice, The Likes of Us.

I really don't like him. Why does everyone love him so much? And especially, why do people think he's hot? He's NOT. And never was.

Well argued.

Johnny Depp is a movie star. This means something entirely different than being an actor. You can be both at the same time, but even though I have mixed and ambiguous feelings about Depp's acting ability, there is no question in my mind he's a great movie star.

I don't belittle that, either. It takes a lot of talent to be a great movie star, not just good cheekbones. Shit, if cheekbones were all it took, every fashion model would be a movie star.

hated him for years because of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qbbIgG87vU

Sorta cool.
Pirate Johnny Depp makes surprise school visit

As broken by newsround!

I much prefer watching newsround than the actual BBC news these days. Much less depressing.

I just want everybody to be clear

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/24/johnny-depp-dead-rip-its_n_434569.html

thanks HuffPo!

at what point did he start to suck? Can we blame tim burton somehow?

Sweeney Todd is his best role in the last decade or so

Blow did.

we can always blame tim burton

Yeah, all Burton's fault, or the silly Pirates movies. But every once in a while he makes an effort, like Finding Neverland, or Public Enemies. Then he does a (literal) no-brainer, like Rob Marshall's upcoming "Into the Woods.' I'm going to guess he plays ... the wolf.

^ILX H8 Sondheim

(not that Rob Marshall isn't a good bet to ruin it)

whadday know: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9465212/can-johnny-depp-career-saved

xpost Yeah, I'd take that bet. If Marshall can't do it ...

Burton tuned him into a muppet. Never been a huge fan but lately he is just so annoying. Would like to see him play someone's dad or grandfather, something subtle, not the main star. guess I want him to be Alan Arkin...I LOVE Alan Arkin.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyn8dpt0z31r4d22do1_500.png

The stuff with make-up is pretty savvy, actually, because I saw unadorned Depp in that Warwick Davis faux doc and he looked oooooold. .

left vanessa for amber heard? fool

I vote fool...He has been looking rough in some photos I saw last year in a magazine in some lobby.

Does Hollywood or do PR people still do the ole PR trick of pairing a couple to boost careers? Tying her with an establish star and him with what was supposed to be a dynamic, new talent?

Make-up does a lot for people. In real life Heard doesn't stand out and looks several years older than she is supposed to be.

Watched Blow last night. I'd seen it before. Far from great, but not bad. It's almost funny how imitative it is of its two or three blueprints, none of which is really Scarface. Goodfellas is everywhere, and there's Boogie Nights and Carlito's Way here and there. (Seeing as Boogie Nights steals a lot from Goodfellas, that may be redundant, but there are a couple of scenes more specifically in the style of Boogie Nights.) Depp does better than Penelope Cruz, who's just asked to yell a lot. Paul Reubens is good--I think this was a comeback of sorts at the time?

it was an effort towards that at least, mystery men was around that time as well. i've never seen blow but it does (or did) have that second tier scarface status w/ bros for a while, one of those movies i'd completely forgotten existed and then years later found out had a weird fanbase a la boondock saints.

saw Blow in the theater, thought it was p stupid/derivative but not entirely joyless. Paul Reubens is probably the best thing about it.

Mystery Men seems like a forgotten movie at this point - I hope it made Bob Burden a comfortable retirement fund, but it seems like it came out a decade too soon.

I work with a teacher who's crazy about Depp. Her classroom is filled with posters from his movies, memorabilia, etc. Makes gift-buying very easy--I'll get her one real gift, a book or a movie, then supplement that with any kind of dollar-store crap, and she's happy.

Demonstrates complete inability to stop being the worst.

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2014/10/21/depp-into-the-woods-1335.jpg

I don't know if we should blame him for that. But we should definitely blame somebody for that.

well, presumably he looked at himself in the mirror at some point and thought 'yep, looks great, good to go' against all reason and logic so fuck johnny depp basically

Everything about the layout and design of that cover is driving me to the IA thread.

When was the last time this doof appeared in anything less than full make-up? Is this is strategy for making people think he is still young and pretty? To pancake it up?

Some fearsome eyebrows... and there, you're a wolf.

The stage production I saw of Into the Woods was death, so I can only imagine what hell this will be.

yeah, fuck that Sondheim, what a hack

ppl wear funny flamboyant costumes in musicals, i've noticed

(not that i'm looking fwd to this bcz Rob Marshall)

That, and ITW is pretty far from my favorite Sondheim score.

i thought entertainment, weakly stopped publishing. or maybe they just fired all of their critics?

i'm not against this one, actually, and he doesn't look particularly silly there when you consider the context.

that said... it's funny how depp spent his 20s and 30s being this "edgy" star who favored auteur films and stuff, and it seems like one day he was just like, wtf have i been doing? i'm going to star in huge franchise films and make a zillion dollars, turn my talent on autopilot, and ditch my age-appropriate partner for a starlet half my age!

Tbf he had kids. A lot of edgy actors with kids seem to start gravitating toward movies their kids can watch.

Also, for the money.

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/watch-johnny-depps-bizarre-intro-at-the-hollywood-awards-1201357066/

Johnny Derp

Kevin Griggs says:
November 15, 2014 at 12:54 pm
Johnny is a hugely talented actor, greatness like his can a difficult burden to bear. Think of all the other great actors that are/were troubled, Robin Williams is a great example. It’s a real shame he close to consume whatever before his speech but it can’t be easy being one of the greats. JD gets a pass on this one.

I saw a trailer for whatever the hell that Mortdecai movie is

u_u x 1000

xpost it ain't easy being derp

Maybe he had just watched Giant and thought it would be fun to act like a drunk James Dean?

I saw a trailer for whatever the hell that Mortdecai movie is

i saw the poster and immediately thought, "who was this movie made for?"

i saw the trailer and the answer appears to be, "nobody"

Edelstein: The badness settled over the audience like nuclear ash.

i read a review that positively compared it to hudson hawk

David Edelstein is Opus
http://boardgamegeek.com/camo/5479a11e309d8728b49e4c3360b8bf1c20af0fb9/687474703a2f2f7777772e61726768696e6b2e636f6d2f77702d636f6e74656e742f75706c6f6164732f323031312f30322f626c6f6f6d2d636f756e74792d312e676966

An Interactive Guide to the Many Faces of Johnny Depp

Each rectangle corresponds to a role; the color bars (see the key toward the top) display the point distributions. Mouse over each rectangle to see the movie title and year of release; click on each rectangle to see a detailed points breakdown, character name, and image or GIF of Depp’s appearance in the film.

http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/an-interactive-guide-to-the-many-faces-of-johnny-depp/

http://www.avclub.com/article/scarf-less-and-accent-free-8-times-johnny-depp-pla-214075

this movie is one of those once-a-year debacles where a bunch of talented folks somehow get roped into something that's truly DOA

i'd assume depp and koepp, maybe paltrow as well, were coming from a place of genuine enthusiasm - it's not like the STUDIO cared about adapting a cult '70s comedy mystery for the screen

http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/david-koepp/243011/david-koepp-interview-mortdecai-jurassic-park-indy-4

Johnny sent me the script. (Screenwriter) Eric Aronson had found them in a used bookstore in London some years ago and responded to it, and he’d written a few drafts of the script. Johnny had read it and just loved the character. He just said “I know how to play this guy, I think we could have a good time.” I read it, and within about two or three pages, I knew why he wanted to do it, and I knew that he was probably the only person who could do it. It was such a particular part, and he is such a particular actor.

http://www.vulture.com/2015/01/what-the-hell-is-mortdecai.html

oh i'm sure they all did this film for the best of reasons--that's usually the case with these kind of debacles.

i dunno, maybe it isn't that bad? but somehow the word "misbegotten" keeps coming up.

yeah that ad campaign underscores that the studio was probably the one roped into something truly DOA, not the creative side

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b7/Town_%26_Country.jpg

funny this is that where a movie like town & country had its budget explode after numerous reshoots and creative changes, this is actually one of the cheaper-by-default movies depp has made of late (in the last 10 years, only the rum diary - still a flop - cost less). so financially it can't be a fiasco on the level of the lone ranger or dark shadows or even transcendence. people are just super fucking annoyed with depp after all those.

it's inexplicable that town & country cost so damn much.

yeah when i saw it was like "ok, there are a lot crane shots but not NINETY MILLION'S worth." but it sounds like they basically shot a $40m movie - a number that already gave too much to beatty et al - twice.

http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/johnny-depp-famous-actors-who-pursue-music-careers-are-sickening-2015211

um, how does he not see the irony here? probably not bringing the cole slaw to the Mensa picnic anytime soon...

well he wouldn't be the first person to forget that P happened

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npAePoctvOw

he's doing a jack nicholson thing, cute

So he seemed extra weird and kind of terrible on Graham Norton a couple weeks back, and now the restraining order. Sad?

it's a shitty bad situ from the looks of it, photo is horrible

sidebar - more and more I am exhausted by how immediately ppl come down on a "side" with this stuff tho. like it's horrible, but do i need to have an opinion NOW?

i'm okay with coming down on the side of a victim of domestic abuse right out of the gate

yep

i didnt mean it like that jfc

forget it

sorry for the misread Veg

classic

So how many movies will he be suspended for for domestic violence

more and more I am exhausted by how immediately ppl come down on a "side" with this stuff tho. like it's horrible, but do i need to have an opinion NOW?

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, May 28, 2016 9:51 PM (Yesterday)

yeah, often feel the same. internet turns everything into an opinion-having/judging race, fosters hostility to anything more thoughtful & measured. in this case, tho, i'm happy to be of the opinion that johnny depp sucks and fuck him.

Well taking anything other than that position seems like it automatically puts you in trenchant troll challops camp
I still say it's a little sad if nobody got in touch with him after his Graham Norton appearance to ask "you okay, man?"

someone should have got in touch after fear and loathing in las vegas to ask "you okay, man?" cuz it's all been downhill since then tbh

yeah i dunno why i even brought up my whining about the internet, it was misplaced here - it doesnt have anything to do with this depp horribleness. no question he's a piece of shit.

We just got back from seeing 'Alice through the looking glass'

I like him okay, but Tracer's point upthread is good. He's also Hollywood's reigning 'cool guy' which is pretty lame.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:41 (12 years ago)

Terry Gilliam covering himself in glory:

https://mobile.twitter.com/TerryGilliam/status/737227132594720768

Doug Stanhope's girlfriend appears to be called Bingo. The censoring of the sweary words in the Doug Stanhope article is pretty weird.

Have never understood what people see in this guy and his self-regard. I like Dead Man despite him.

He's hot

As they say of some people, the camera loves his face.

Kinda feel like the unambiguous monsters in this sitch are Depp's "friends" who are more clearly more comfortable denigrating his accuser and championing his undeniable awesomeness than they are with saying, "Hey, guy who is my actual friend, this thing you did is majorly fucked up and now we're going to get you help with your various issues."

The crazy thing about anyone taking that comedian's stupid "Heard was the REAL abuser" thing is that he leads with admitting that his greatest fear was alienating Depp and getting cut off.

well apparently now Depp's daughter and his ex-wife are also taking his side. this is awful and sad.

Other ppls lives are routinely awful , but this one involves a celebrity, wow

can hardly blame depp's friends & loved ones for taking his side. they're invested and have seen things we haven't. i would prefer, were i accused of who knows what, that mine stand by me.

There's standing beside and then there's publicly calling the other party's claims and reputation into question.

That's one way of standing beside him.

in the case of vanessa paradis and his daughter, i think they genuinely believe he is being blackmailed. i wouldn't blame them for being in denial/wanting to defend someone they love.

i don't personally doubt heard's testimony fyi but i can see why they might.

i think doug stanhope just wants to be in the news.

Have we heard from Bingo yet?

There's standing beside and then there's publicly calling the other party's claims and reputation into question.

― I Have A Hot Dog Stuck To My Neck (Old Lunch), Monday, May 30, 2016 12:53 PM (13 minutes ago)

they tend to go together

Other ppls lives are routinely awful , but this one involves a celebrity, wow

oh good it's the guy who started the "trump v. clinton who is smarter?" poll.

He's clearly an alcoholic and (possibLy) heavy drug user, based on his "Australian apology" video and his appearance on graham norton. He's got heavy alkie/drug bloat.

don't feel comfortable speculating, his wife could have faked that video

there's never been a case of him hitting any of his former wives/girlfriends before which makes me suspicious

you're defending someone with (at least?) two charges of assault, along with a history of smashing up hotel rooms and other erratic behaviour. secondly, I'm really questioning how Heard could possibly benefit from any way in this. It's not a small thing to go against someone with 1000x the connections who's in with Disney and the rest, and a year of marriage isn't going to garner you much in the way of $$$. Plus Penn, Allen & the rest have shown that unsavoury behaviour isn't exactly a barrier to a career.

but no, lying woman faking video to no personal benefit is clearly the more logical deduction.

anybody made a scarf joke yet

https://twitter.com/ChrissieBixler/status/736324387863855104

there's never been a case of him hitting any of his former wives/girlfriends before which makes me suspicious

I hope this is ironic, because I remember him getting caught on video raising his hand to strike his then-GR (Kate Moss?).

*GF

don't know about that but I feel the need to clarify that I do not really believe that amber heard faked the johnny depp "australian apology" video

I like how if somebody says they're suspicious, or unsure, they are automatically on Team Depp.
or basically, what VG said right at the beginning of this revive before somebody else saw a chance to get righteous

Never knew Depp had previous issues tbh apart from busting up a hotel room

they tend to go together

― like $500 billion in stuffed fart sales and I have an idea (contenderizer), Monday, May 30, 2016 1:09 PM (2 hours ago)

otm.

"a year of marriage isn't going to garner you much in the way of $$$"

they live in california, no? it's a community property state, everything is 50/50

New alice movie completely bombed this weekend also; bad week to be Johnny Depp.

from the outside, it looks like he is a really serious alcoholic. that might explain the discrepancy between his ex's memory of him and his recent behavior. i've seen alcoholism turn gentle people into monsters.

Otm. That's v much what this sounds like to me.

Pirates of the Girabbean.

https://twitter.com/ChrissieBixler/status/736324387863855104

3 years ago?

Welp, fuck this guy.

Although I like the emerging angle that this could be a milestone for tabloids' treatment of the alleged victims in incidents like these.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/06/johnny-depp-amber-heard-and-celebrity-tabloids.html

http://gawker.com/leaked-texts-reveal-more-than-just-specific-details-of-1780357241

if there's anything to "like" about this crap, so to speak

Depp’s own lawyer, who has accused her of “attempting to secure a premature financial resolution by alleging abuse.”

Encapsulates why lawyers have reputations as scum sucking dregs of humanity. Using character defamation as a defense is lower than a snake's belly.

http://variety.com/2016/biz/news/amber-heard-divorce-settlement-johnny-depp-charity-1201840577/

I can't say I'm surprised.

https://deadline.com/2017/06/johnny-depp-debt-emails-salary-spending-lawsuit-1202116373/

what else can i do??? you want me to sell same art??? i will. you want me to sell something else??? sure… what??? boat is going to be chartered at new years and sony will then charter it for the TOURIST shoot in venice. other than that, i got bikes, cars, property, books, paintings and some semblance of a soul left

Truly, he can't turn his face into a heart.

depp's idiosyncratic email style vaguely recalls an ilx0r with a similar lowercase/CAPS/??? steez but i can't quite put my finger on exactly who

maybe skot?

Johnny Depp on Donald Trump: Crime or free speech?

He's starting to look an awful lot like Bob Dylan btw

is there anyone else on earth who wants to dress like this? he always has so much stuff hanging off of him. its so not cool but its 100% him so i guess there are points for consistency.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/6c/34/9b/6c349be3d0577f4d02d46896db8e2a39.jpg

steven tyler

Never a bad idea to have a tea towel at hand all the time tbh

http://calorielab.com/news/wp-images/post-images/johnny-depp-blue-eyeglasses.jpg

it's just odd because when he tones it down he's...johnny depp! an impossibly beautiful male model wearing million dollar clothes. but hey he's just being true to his spirit weirdo.

http://static.fashionmagazine247.com/img/11087/1.jpg

sometimes i forget just how much jack white owes to this man.

http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_600_noupscale/5612b2171400002900bfc1b2.jpeg

http://www.theonion.com/video/johnny-depp-now-completely-made-of-scarves-and-bra-31404

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD-9biqXUAIliJ2.jpg:small

loool

https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/features/johnny-depp-lawsuit-marriage-w521671

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgPEuqEWkAI2UUC.jpg

hrmmm he comes across as a fairly sad and lonely kinda credulous moron, how do you blow 650 million dollars? idk i hope he comes out okay although it seems like he doesn't treat himself very well

yeah i hope he comes out of this terrible trauma of earning 650 million dollars ok. fuck him, how many lives could that money have transformed?

how do you blow 650 mil? ...blow.

Asked what he thought about all the legal shenanigans, Depp shrugs. "I'm just a small part of this," he says. "It's the fucking Matrix. I didn't see the movie, and I didn't understand the script, but here's what it is."

yeah that part jumped out at me too

The use of "tuna fish and corn sandwiches" annoyed me so I did the research to make myself feel good.

https://pasteboard.co/Hr49SCB.png

Productive use of lunch break.

I think that there's this idea we all have that if we got super rich we wouldn't just magnify the small scale fuckups and poor financial decisions on a massive scale but we all probably would

Seems odd to give the exact address of Depp's London pad in the first para.

depp has never watched his movies, that's his operative

I think that there's this idea we all have that if we got super rich we wouldn't just magnify the small scale fuckups and poor financial decisions on a massive scale but we all probably would

I think this has been demonstrated again and again! The only people possibly immune are those sooooo rich that they wouldn't miss the millions of dollars no doubt being stolen from them all the time. For the rest, if you have, I dunno, $300 million, how in the world do you trust anyone, let alone to manage your money? I think they all make the mistake of hiring family - just think back to Billy Joel who was ripped off for like $90 in 1980s dollars - and then it gets even uglier. Plus when you have to hire people to buy things for you and pay bills - because when you're Johnny Depp or whomever you can't just go to Target - no one is going to tell you no or that you can't buy what you want with your money. Ask Nic Cage.

Really the key is to just to get a good, boring, professional, vetted accountant, which is maybe where the merits of this nebulous legal case lie: if you have hundreds of millions of dollars there *is* no reason you should lose it all short of being outright criminally scammed like Kevin Bacon. It's the job of an accountant to make sure you don't lose hundreds of millions of dollars, and it should be an easy job, therefore, if the accountant allows you to go broke then they must be doing something wrong.

I think that there's this idea we all have that if we got super rich we wouldn't just magnify the small scale fuckups and poor financial decisions on a massive scale but we all probably would

i am absolutely certain i'd be able to manage $650m without a hitch

of course there's no way to know for sure without trying, so if anyone has a spare two-thirds of a billion kicking around they'd like to offload, ilxmail me and let's get this valuable social experiment underway

Most people who find themselves diving into a Scrooge McDuck money pool after a run of luck end up hiring at least semi-competent help and avoiding too many consecutive bad bets. Depp seems to be unable to recognize his own role in any of his decisions.

Haven't they done this study, with lottery winners?

There was a study, I thought, that lottery winners are more likely to declare bankruptcy in 3-5 years than the average American.

http://fortune.com/2016/01/15/powerball-lottery-winners/

Those people were pre-selected from a pool of morons. They played the lottery.

pretty sure odds of winning the lottery are better than the odds of moving to Los Angeles to become a huge movie star.

Probably about the same. And?

having senescent Brando and HS Thompson as your confidantes is not the best move

xpost Exactly, we're dealing with a huge range of self-selecting morons.

I prefer to read that post as if it were not an xpost

people in general aren't good w their money. look at how national cc debt continues to climb.

also lol @ "semi competent help" yes will file that next to the semi competent contractors hired to do the carpet and fucked that up or the plumbers that took forever with your bathroom but no all that changes you win millions of dollars you become a finance expert able to scope out only honest accountants.

my millionaire fantasy is actually being able to hire an additional contractor to fix all the mistakes the first one made, and then a third one to fix the mistakes the second one made.

Fuck you, Adam.

not in the mood for your shit today

I was trying to figure out what "vintage wine" he drinks, and found this item yesterday from here:

"Depp also sports a tattoo proclaiming ‘Wino forever’, although the original wording was ‘Winona forever’ – a relic from previous girlfriend, actress Winona Ryder."

"Hey we're probably all feckless spendthrift dorks when you really think about it and you can tell because of how people on low incomes waste their money" is primo ilx save-a-wanker

Depp is at full Depardieu.

Seems odd to give the exact address of Depp's London pad in the first para.

It's a rental, not his home - he was there for a few weeks and has been gone for months.

Ok, Depp is mostly into bordeaux (or at least used to be). I looked it up too.

I won't bore you with tales of being greedy/I'm just into chugging bordeaux/I'm into chugging bordeaux

I could easily maintain a lifestyle of 2 bottles of $1-2k bottles a day.

"Hey we're probably all feckless spendthrift dorks when you really think about it and you can tell because of how people on low incomes waste their money" is primo ilx save-a-wanker

― The Savic Detectives (Noodle Vague), Friday, June 22, 2018 11:51 AM (fifty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i was speaking for myself sorry to have used the royal we and marred your fiscal reputation

I would do the same thing with $650 million that I currently with like $75,000, viz., shove it into Vanguard index funds

anyway this article was astounding, talking to the press is a mistake for almost everyone, especially famous people embroiled in multimilliondollar litigation who viciously abused their wife

damn silby ballin out

silby can I borrow $75,000

Wasn't especially thinking of your post upper miss but yeah I did misread it

anyway there's a lot of reasons why you're almost compelled to make poor financial choices if you're living within touching difference of the poverty line. Increased cost of/need for credit for one thing, if you're wealthy and sensible you don't need to be fucking with things like that.

yeah, being poor is more expensive in a lot of ways

so much amazing shit in that article, but this is my favorite:

When Depp bought an island in the Bahamas, it was Brando, owning his own Tahitian island, who advised him to make sure his house is above sea level.

thought everyione knew about the wino forever tattoo

"I knew"

https://www.interviewmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/img-ione-skye_091022536724.jpg

I think Adam’s post made me upset because I really don’t believe most people are irresponsible twits. A lot of people play the powerball lottery occasionally because why not? It’s beer money. But a lot of the ones who win are decidedly not capable of understanding that ten or twenty bucks a week could be better served via silby’s strategy.

The more interesting thing about Depp and his situation is how he seems so insistent that his misfortune is the fault of others, including his close relatives, who betrayed him. There’s no self awareness or examination, just projection and a bit of a persecution complex.

And perhaps the saddest thing is that when he could maybe still be doing entertaining or maybe even sublime stuff with the gifts he was given, he’s just wallowing and nobody really cares. A lame cautionary tale. Also, he’s clearly a dickhead, but that’s not even news.

I wouldn't go broke because I'd probably just have a nice house on a cliff over the ocean and try to spend a decade getting stoned and reading, so I'd inevitably fall off the cliff to my death long before the Powerball winnings ran out.

Hard to believe Unison Records didn't become a moneymaker with The Glam Skanks and the frontman for The Slackers
http://unisonmusic.com/artists.html

wow that RS piece is amazing and depressing !
I'm not gonna cry over a billionaire's problems but that's sad for the guy (which I liked at first in 21 JS then his first movies and now don't care at all about).
That said, I'm not sure at all I would be able to manage hundred's of millions of $ and I consider myself quite reasonable financially !
More money, more problems, I guess...

you only really hear about the ones that fuck it up maybe

id be quite competently low-key billionaire i think

The thing is it’s not like you would be your actual self with your environment, balance, relatives, etc. (Unless we talk about lottery money...).
The money would come from somewhere which would imply work/business partners, hanger-ons, entourage, greedy friends/family/lovers, financial advisors, investments, etc.
I totally understand that someone would easily fuck up...

you only really hear about the ones that fuck it up maybe

^^^^

And of course someone like JD is certainly going to crash spectacularly in such a situation !

hoo boy :(

Johnny Depp has accused ex-wife Amber Heard of having “painted-on bruises”, as he denied being physically abusive in newly filed court documents.

Hollywood actors Depp and Heard married in 2015 before an acrimonious divorce two years later, with both sides accusing the other of violence. After Aquaman star Heard wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post in December 2018, describing herself as a victim of domestic abuse, Depp launched a $50m (£39m) defamation lawsuit against her. Heard asked a judge in Virginia to dismiss the lawsuit, drawing a new response from Depp.

Depp, 55, wrote in a declaration: “I have denied Ms Heard’s allegations vehemently since she first made them in May 2016 when she walked into court to obtain a temporary restraining order with painted-on bruises that witnesses and surveillance footage show she did not possess each day of the preceding week … I will continue to deny them for the rest of my life.”

Depp added: “I never abused Ms Heard or any other woman.” He then went on to allege Heard was the aggressor in the relationship. He said: “She was the perpetrator, and I was the victim. While mixing prescription amphetamines and non-prescription drugs with alcohol, Ms Heard committed innumerable acts of domestic violence against me, often in the presence of a third-party witness, which in some instances caused me serious bodily harm.”

lux aeterna

lost the libel case

Don’t care about this guy or these films but lol

This is going to be a news dump Friday for the record books https://t.co/qXGZPKr9Vl

— kateyrich (@kateyrich) November 6, 2020

Kinda shoot yourself in the foot when your characters are all covered in layers of makeup and wigs and shit. I mean, they pretty easily replaced Dumbledore.

I might be a dope, but I feel sorry for him. It seems like an awful lot of his problems stem from his drinking, and he certainly does not seem able or inclined to rein that in.

was that letter written on a typewriter?

still doing the hunter thompson larp thing I see

Was he a wife-beater too?

he was, yeah

If you read one article about this, make it this one.

How many people here now feel that if a man they respect, known for his gender equality advocacy, can dismiss claims of domestic violence based on enjoyable experiences with the accused, they can, too?

Very good article. I haven’t been able to follow this case in much detail, it’s such a depressingly disgusting spectacle. Disappointed in Vedder, though. Thought he was smarter than that.

I'm finding it a bit odd how many WOMEN that I know are lining up behind Depp and unilaterally dismissing Heard - women who consider themselves feminists, too. I know Depp is a popular guy but this same community has had no issue letting other former heroes go, and they sent J.K. Rowling to the curb even though she was way more beloved in these parts than Depp. in the last week I think I've only seen one or two that deigned to call this out (which was refreshing).

why is the received wisdom in this case so unchallenged? yes, I know some of the actions of Heard against Depp could also be considered abuse as well, but these are people that usually would have rushed to say "well but are we going to ignore the things Depp has done?"

Yes, good article, thanks.

Yes Neanderthal, it's all very bizarre.

Yeah, part of it is clearly a hugely successful PR campaign, and part of it os true crime media melting everyone's minds, but I still can't entirely account for it either, even having read several good articles onb it. It's so random the ppl who fall for it.

it seems to be clarifying the acceptable contexts and uses of misogyny in the public arena

It’s been very hard to follow. It’s like seeing your deepest fears about not believed dug up, mocked and broadcast to the world at large. My heart goes out to her. I’m absolutely 100% done listening to people go “but, but, but both sides” after the last two weeks. If you can somehow see:

- Depp losing a libel case in fucking England against the Sun, which won the right to call him a wife beater based on the evidence provided
- Depp & his then lawyer leaking edited recordings to the Daily Mail (does that seem like something reasonable to do?)
- the fact that this case has levels of evidence and witnesses far beyond what you get in most cases like this

and all the rest of this sordid little tale, and STILL focus on the fact that “idk she punched him too” or some shit? Honestly, go fuck your self, if there’s no proof that’s enough, don’t bother telling yourself you care about women ever again. I don’t care how harsh this seems, this case has dug up a lot of old stuff for me and others I care deeply about. Among those revelations? My very long habit of taking screenshots and keeping proof of things because I worry about not being believed. How nice if you don’t have to think about this or have anything like that surface for you!

Weirdly enough when I started seeing the lashing out on Amber I also thought about how women on fictional shows are also hated on. Skylar on Breaking Bad who left Walter or Betty in Mad Men who is really disliked (all via twitter).

I saw an absolutely devastating essay by Andrea Dworkin about Nicole Simpson linked, that I’d never read before, and it’s been very clarifying of stuff I felt or saw but didn’t have the words for.

You won’t ever know the worst that happened to Nicole Brown Simpson in her marriage, because she is dead and cannot tell you. And if she were alive, remember, you wouldn’t believe her.

Nicole Simpson, like every battered woman, knew she would not be believed. She may have been shrewd enough to anticipate the crowds along the Orange County freeways cheering on O.J. Every battered woman has to be careful, even with strangers. His friends won’t stop him. Neither will yours.

I have no trouble conceiving of or believing that Depp -- who turned himself into an absurd mash-up of his transgressive heroes years ago -- abused Heard. The one thing I will say about Heard being a champion of human rights, as that article attests, is that it's difficult to square that with her being close friends with Eve Barlow.

This conversation stems from a piece published earlier this week, which seems premature.

"But the extreme brutality of what Heard alleges—coupled with an utter lack of independent corroboration."

We haven't heard her witnesses yet!! We don't know yet if she has corroboration or not. This really isn't an appropriate thing to say when only one side has presented.

— Lucia Osborne-Crowley (@LuciaOC_) May 17, 2022

I have no trouble conceiving of or believing that Depp -- who turned himself into an absurd mash-up of his transgressive heroes years ago -- abused Heard. The one thing I will say about Heard being a champion of human rights, as that article attests, is that it's difficult to square that with her being close friends with Eve Barlow.

xp wow I had not seen that and it’s a lot to put out there when some of Depp’s own witnesses provided corroboration. I hope Natalie Shure goes to hell.

xp wow I had not seen that and it’s a lot to put out there when some of Depp’s own witnesses provided corroboration. I hope Natalie Shure goes to hell.

xp wow I had not seen that and it’s a lot to put out there when some of Depp’s own witnesses provided corroboration. I hope Natalie Shure goes to hell.

ty zing that was very helpful

it is galling to watch ostensibly liberal/feminist ppl on my tl participate in this ghoulish defense of depp, im so sorry gyac

part of me wonders if it's misguided reminders that men can be abused (which is true!). but...this is v much not the case to use as your Exhibit A.

Reporting from Vice shows that at least some of the misogynist disinformation campaign surrounding the Depp v. Heard trial has been funded by the right-wing Daily Wire. https://t.co/J5ZU6gEQ2i

— Moira Donegan (@MoiraDonegan) May 20, 2022

I haven't seen or heard a word of this trial, and no one in my tl is defending Depp so apparently my media bubble is not representative, because I hear the internet is currently a swamp of Depp-stans spreading suspicious amounts of "proof" everywhere.

I def started out with the vague impression from years-old headlines that maybe he was the/a victim, men can be victims of dv too, and no knowledge of the libel case or anything in the UK news. But seeing gyac and plenty of others absolutely blazing over this, I realize that was lazy/dumb of me. I repent. The Rebecca Ruiz article (thanks, gyac) is really scary. I had no idea other celebrities were being propped up to weaponize their influence like that.

I have read more about it than I originally intended to, partly because I had thought that the purpose of this trial was to determine whether or not AH's op-ed about being a survivor of dv cost him his Jack Sparrow gig. If that is the case, then it almost doesn't matter who did what to whom during the marriage, only whether she can suggest that the Disney lawyers and the other business people would have dropped him anyway. But I guess it must encompass more than that or the judge is doing a terrible job of keeping everyone on topic.

It’s quite something. It’s not difficult for me to see how you might pal around with someone as odious as Fartlow if your industry and colleagues are either seemingly outright mocking you, silent, or openly or covertly supporting Depp.

I have read more about it than I originally intended to, partly because I had thought that the purpose of this trial was to determine whether or not AH's op-ed about being a survivor of dv cost him his Jack Sparrow gig. If that is the case, then it almost doesn't matter who did what to whom during the marriage, only whether she can suggest that the Disney lawyers and the other business people would have dropped him anyway. But I guess it must encompass more than that or the judge is doing a terrible job of keeping everyone on topic.

Earlier, Depp’s longtime agent told a court that the star was an exceedingly “difficult” client who had “fundamental anger issues” and drew multiple complaints from film crews on “virtually every movie” he worked on.

Tracey Jacobs, of United Talent Agency, represented Depp as his agent for three decades until he cut ties with her in October 2016.

Ms Jacobs’ prerecorded video deposition was played at Depp’s defamation trial against his ex-wife Amber Heard in Fairfax County Court, Virginia, on Thursday.

Ms Jacobs testified that Depp became “the biggest star in the world” during the time they worked together. At first, she did not consider him to be a “difficult client”, she said. But that changed dramatically during her last 10 years of representing him when his “unprofessional behaviour … became far more complicated”, Ms Jacobs added.

it almost doesn't matter who did what to whom during the marriage

What is this verdict

$2 million awarded back to Heard for this verdict — which in itself contradicts the jury’s prior finding that Heard’s statements in the op-ed about her experience of abuse were false. Messy messy jury. https://t.co/433W3ffAF5

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) June 1, 2022

pic.twitter.com/EejuOTt4wa

— Law Boy, Esq. (@The_Law_Boy) June 1, 2022

It’s been gut wrenching to follow this and watch the wholesale demonization of Heard on the one hand and the canonization of Depp on the other.

hope any comeback attempts by Depp following this flop hard and he ends in disgrace and obscurity

On my end the slutshaming has come from women.

It's def a pursuit that transcends gender lines

I guess it must be nice to not see the huge outpouring of male glee at this verdict. Yes, there’s tons of women shaming us all with their behaviour - a lot of people have drawn comparisons to the Bundy fans - but this verdict is being celebrated by men. A Twitter mutual of mine had to lock her account because of the amount of abusive messages out there gloating at her. So no, I have very little time for this atm.

Of course structural misogyny expresses itself thru women as well as men, but the awkward conversation I had with a couple of women friends last night who were on Depp's side was at least a bit more nuanced than the garbage that I've heard from male DV deniers

my gf has been watching this playout and had become somewhat sympathetic towards Depp as it went on. did the jury get it wrong? or is the issue more about people's reactions – that maybe the decision is correct but it doesn't absolve Depp of other problematic things?
would appreciate some clarity, as I've only gotten superficial updates on what's been going on and I'm weary of any summaries i might read in the media – or even from friends.

You can scroll up and read what I wrote about it on the 20th, post should still be there.

cheers

Actually I’m on a train for the next hour, let’s nail these theses to the door. Fair warning this is going to be all over the place, I know too much about this case.

- Depp filed a defamation case over this article, where only this part refers to him, arguing that it defamed him and affected his earnings.
- if you haven’t read the 2018 Rolling Stone article, you should. He invited the publication to give his side, thinking it would make him look good.
- Heard countersued him over the defamation claim, iirc this is standard. Her claim was about a Daily Mail article where Depp’s lawyer accused her and her friends of faking a crime scene.

If you have been on the internet the past few years, you’ve almost certainly seen the various trending topics about him trending. It has been alleged - and iirc in this case just gone evidenced- that a large part of this activity is bots boosting an unusually large and aggressive fanbase.

A large part of why Depp has so much sympathy going in is in part due to him being the more famous party and having appeared in more films people have seen and loved *;another is due to his then lawyer leaking selectively edited evidence to the Daily Mail, which he admitted to in court and was subsequently thrown off the case for; and finally, mens’ rights activists have been rallying around this case for years and pushing disinfo about it. The edited clip most people have heard is part of a large and not pleasant argument but the context is extremely different from what has been portrayed.

Then there’s the trial itself. Depp wanted it to be held in Virginia, for the possibility of it being televised. Tons of content creators pivoted to following the trial and made lots of money of doing so, covering it like it was entertainment.

Here things are slightly hazy as I’m not that knowledgeable about the legal parts but as I understand it: the judge on this case prevented certain evidence of Heard’s being submitted to the court. Accounts of her talking about being abused by Depp in doctor’s notes were considered hearsay and not included; neither were the texts from Depp’s assistant where he is apologising to Heard for Depp kicking her and trying to get her to stay. I had read the UK judgement and seeing Depp’s witnesses, the majority of whom still work for him, and the picture coming through was of someone who was surrounded by staff that went to great lengths to protect him from the consequences of his own actions.

I read a piece on the BBC saying that certain tactics that are used in certain cases are more effective with juries than judges:

Mark Stephens, an international media lawyer, told the BBC that it's "very rare" that essentially the same case is tried on two sides of the pond and gets different results.

He believes the main factor that influenced Mr Depp's victory in America was the fact that his US trial was before a jury while his UK trial, over an article in the British tabloid that called him a "wife-beater", was before a judge only.

"Amber Heard has comprehensively lost in the court of public opinion, and in front of the jury," he said.
Three questions from the Depp-Heard trial answered
Depp wins defamation case against Heard
In both the UK and the US trial, Mr Depp's lawyers argued that Ms Heard was lying - to make their case, they attacked her character and claimed that she was in fact the abusive partner.

This is a common defence tactic in sexual assault and domestic violence trials called "deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender" or "Darvo", said Mr Stephens.

The strategy turns the tables on the alleged victim, shifting the conversation away from "did the accused commit abuse" to "is the alleged victim believable".
"They deny that they did anything, they deny they're the real perpetrator, and they attack the credibility of the individual calling out the abuse, and then reverse the roles of the victim and the offender," Mr Stephens said.

In the UK trial, Mr Stephens said the judge recognised that strategy, and dismissed a lot of the evidence that did not directly address whether Mr Depp committed assault or not.

"Lawyers and judges tend not to fall for it, but it's very, very effective against juries," he said. Men are more likely to believe Darvo arguments, but female jurors are also susceptible.

"People have a paradigm in their mind of how a victim of abuse might be like and how they might behave, and of course we all know that's often false."

“His star had dimmed due to it getting harder to get him jobs given the reputation he had acquired due to his lateness and other things,” Jacobs said, adding that “people were talking” about his substance abuse.

A Disney executive, Tina Newman, testified in another tape played on Thursday that the Rolling Stone article circulated among executives at the studio that would decide whether or not to greenlight another Pirates sequel, the sixth, and whether Depp would have a role in the movie. In an internal Disney email, Newman called the story “depressing.”

Post is a mess but tl;dr:

- Heard had lots of evidence
- case seemed to turn on how much the jury liked both parties rather than the evidence
- you have to ignore and dismiss an awful lot of that to come down on Depp’s side and well, an awful lot of people did!

that is super helpful thanks. i don't follow celebrity gossip at all (general rather loathe it normally) - so anything that assumes i have any clue what Depp is known or rumoured to be like will be lost on me.

case seemed to turn on how much the jury liked both parties rather than the evidence

ime this is what nearly all verdicts in civil cases come down to.

At least in the US.

great post gyac, I've tried my hardest to ignore everything about this (outside of its striking resemblance to the On Cinema trial) but it's dawned on me quickly that this is just another Kyle Rittenhouse culture war thing. the degree to which social media has been pushing this story (especially Twitter) is really gross. it's all weird to me because I remember an article some time ago (maybe 2017?) that went into detail about how fucked up Depp was, basically alleging that he'd done some horrible shit, and that most of his success came despite himself. who the fuck are all these people rallying around him now?? it's so weird.

One poster today on FB talked about how the pro-Heard bent is fronted by media bias. As if Depp's "innocence" wasn't pushed in the media as received wisdom for over a year.

You're saying the same things as Jim Jordan and fucking Ben Shapiro

Thanks for that post, gyac. Among other things I've been trying to remember for the past few weeks where I read an utterly damning profile of Depp a few years ago. It was the RS one you linked and having retained its broad themes, I've been pretty baffled by what's been going on during the trial

people remembered how much they liked Jack Sparrow, including the jury

Hollywood has always specialized in covering up the crimes of its starring actors.

xp
there is def a generational dynamic here: for me Jack Sparrow represented a sad decline from the actor I enjoyed when I was younger, not a beloved character from my childhood. i.e., another part of my confusion was why anyone was invested in this depressing addict who squandered his talent decades ago

that's definitely true (the generational dynamic).

I also wonder how many people are determined to make the (correct) point that men suffer abuse too, in order to appear more impartial in discussions, and this case looked like low-hanging fruit (see? I side with men sometime!)

god, what a terrible case to use as your anecdotal lede

two of my friends who are women who were battered by their spouses and still tortured by them even after divorce were pointing out that between the two of them, Heard was the one who looked like she was 'reacting to abuse', moreso than Depp.

yeah I read a first-person account of getting suckered by the soc med coverage of the trial that I can't find now, but the (female) writer admitted that the "men too" angle was important

Michael Hobbes (@rottenindenmark) on Twitter posted a piece about this.

By 2014, Heard was the only person in his life who told him the truth about his anger and his drug problem — a “lesbian camp counselor,” as he once memorably put it. He grew increasingly resentful that she treated him like an addict and an abuser, something his mind would not allow him to accept. His texts to her were apologetic, but his messages to everyone else were unrepentant.

267. Mr Depp said that Ms Heard behaved cruelly towards him at this time and withheld drugs from him that he was allowed or were intended to contribute to his recovery process. I have no doubt that the process of trying to rid himself of the addiction to Roxies was extremely stressful and painful for Mr Depp. However, I have seen notes made by Ms Lloyd. It is apparent from these that Ms Heard (referred to in the notes as ‘patient’s fiancée’) was keeping in close contact with Ms Lloyd and, after his arrival on the island, with Dr Kipper. There is no evidence that she did attempt to withhold from him any medication that he was supposed to have.

In his text to Paige Heard, Ms Heard’s mother, on 19th August 2014 Mr Depp said (see file 6/119/697.41),
‘I couldn’t have made it without her ... I would have gone for a swim and swallowed a big drink of ocean without her to be honest ... It was a hell of my own doing that your little girl walked through with me step by step ... I know you’re already proud of her, but if you’d seen her in action ... Amazing!!! It was an exercise of monumental patience and instinct. I wouldn’t be alive, sweetheart ... There were more than a few times when I thought it would be more simple to take that route. It was Amber and Amber only that got me through this ... And it was not easy ...’

268. On 17th August 2014 Ms Heard sent a text to Ms Lloyd and Dr Kipper which said (See file 6/119/f697.38),
‘Issue has arisen again. He took the meds about 30 mins ago (which seems to be the trend) as I reckon they haven’t kicked in yet – all of a sudden he’s flipping again. Just started screaming – he was so mad he pushed me and I asked him to get out. Don’t know what else to do. Sorry to keep at you guys.’

269. Mr Depp said that he had been in no condition to push or attack Ms Heard in any way. He said the text from Ms Heard could be explained as part of her ‘insurance policy’.

270. It was Mr Depp’s evidence that Ms Heard was withholding drugs that he was supposed to have or allowed to have, although he said that she did not do this all of the time and at other times she was very helpful.

It was a vicious cycle of Depp's PR push being picked up by the incel/"metoo has gone too far" crowd and once it was trending then every dumbass on social media had to pump out content to get on the trend and all of their initial info came via Depp's PR team and the incels and that getting filtered down to normal people who are unlikely to do any deeper research unless they (think they) have a good reason.

Michael hobbes was a guest on a podcast talking abt the whole Depp trial & the misinformation surrounding it
podcast is terribly named “Cancel Me Daddy” but he is great as always

https://www.readthepresentage.com/p/johnny-depp-amber-heard?s=r

I linked that a few posts ago.

oh sorry!

This is a good thread debunking bullshit Twitter discourse.

this is a classic entry in the fake expert twitter thread genre. absolutely full of shit from top to bottom. https://t.co/Q1LagyTWoY

— Law Boy, Esq. (@The_Law_Boy) June 3, 2022

it's amazing to me that this is being framed as "finally being a victory for victims of abuse" when in reality he was the one accused of abuse without being named in an Op-Ed and this entire case was "NUH UH, DIDN'T DO IT, btw u were actually the abuser".

like I get why asshole incels are cheering, but not people who are ostensibly reasonable human beings. I had to type "Depp" and "heard" and "#teamjohnny" (seriously that is fucked) into my FB Purity yesterday to stop seeing these posts.

I had only just seen this, but previously I’d seen Nicole Bedera (who studies and writes about sexual violence) tweeting about the phenomenon of female dv survivors supporting Depp and she wrote this piece about it before the verdict.

To understand this, it’s crucial to remember that survivors are not a monolith. Perpetrators do not select victims based on their political beliefs, and experiencing violence is not always a radicalizing event for women. In fact, one of the reasons violence is such a powerful tool in maintaining the patriarchy is that it reinforces traditional gender norms. This is especially true for women who already hold traditional gender values themselves.

In my own work, I have interviewed a lot of conservative survivors. They are quick to insist I should believe them, but not other victims, especially if those victims fail to meet white feminine ideals like chastity or subservience to men’s authority. Once, a conservative participant in my research emailed me a Jordan Peterson video and urged me to join in his argument that most survivors were promiscuous women who regretted participating in hook-up culture. To her, the injustice of her sexual assault wasn’t a loss of bodily autonomy but rather that a woman like her—a white conservative who had followed the rules—was the one violated. Disbelieving other victims did not conflict with her own narrative of victimization. In fact, she felt righteous in her anger that other women’s stories of sexual assault threatened her credibility.

Also saw a comment on ontd that I had been thinking about a lot:

andrea dworkin did not get everything right, but she was dead-on when she said "many women, i think, resist feminism because it is an agony to be fully conscious of the brutal misogyny which permeates culture, society, and all personal relationships”

This is one of the few sane discussion spaces on this trial I have seen. The “recommended” memes I see on Instagram that purport to prove Amber’s lies are simply ghoulish. To me it just looks like a person in distress people are being invited to laugh at. And the more I dig into this case, the clearer it becomes that the whole defamation suit was just another form of abuse—a violent drug addict blaming someone else for all of his problems instead of taking accountability, and vengefully deciding to make his ex the most hated woman in America.

I take two things away from it.

1.) This is a backlash to metoo. People were waiting for a “female abuser” to pounce on and demonize in order to discredit the narrative that male violence and harassment is a problem. Almost like a scapegoat. Her guilt or innocence was secondary to the function she served for people as a way to attack feminism.

2.) People are much worse judges of character than they think they are. People don’t find Amber Heard likable, she conforms to some archetype they have in their mind of the “scheming woman,” so they just adapt their understanding of the case to this impression without trying to figure out what happened. She “seems fake” and that is enough for people to decide she wasn’t a victim and should be punished for claiming to be.

3.) I hate what American society is or has become. There was a sadism to this trial that feels increasingly like a prevalent in American life. It was always there but there isn’t even a polite facade now. This poor woman was literally tortured by the American media. I was in Charleston this weekend and there were tons of novelty shops selling pro-Depp and anti-Heard t-shirts.

thank you gyac, that is a very good piece.

She was held to a way higher standard than Depp. Inconsistencies in her testimony were considered evidence that she was “bad,” fundamentally. Reports of drunken violence on Depp’s part dating back decades were simply ignored.

not to mention, people flocking to the 'this proves Amber was the abuser' narrative don't even understand that the trial was over fucking defamation, which, her losing at best means she fabricated some claims against him, not that she abused him, nor that he didn't abuse her.

(I really hope the appeal is successful, but not sure how likely that is? even if she does, though, the damage is already done and is going to be nigh impossible to reverse).

(don't take that to mean I didn't believe her claims, I mean we all know the UK bench trial went very differently)

Legally, defamation means she willfully misrepresented the truth. To prove she did that in the WaPo article, which doesn’t mention Depp by name but simply refers to the fact that she was a victim of domestic violence, Depp’s lawyers would have had to prove with a “preponderance of evidence” that he *never* abused Heard. They absolutely did not demonstrate this. Their whole strategy was designed to cast her as an abuser and a liar. Which was not even really relevant. If she sincerely believed herself to be abused, even if the record showed a more complicated picture of mutual abuse, that wouldn’t rise to the level of defamation because she would not have been willfully and maliciously distorting the facts.

the jury wasn't sequestered, were they? they probably arrived at their votes via TikTok

thanks for the link, gyac

Also the timeline shows a pretty plausible story of an alcoholic relapsing and lashing out violently. Over time, it seems she became enraged by dealing with this and that is where they were able to drag up evidence that made her look bad. But all of that is irrelevant. If she believed his drinking and violence precipitated the hell their marriage became when she wrote the op-ed, she wasn’t committing defamation, she was sharing her perspective. He could have his own version of events and that is fine but hers doesn’t become defamatory because he sees the breakdown of their marriage in different terms. The bar for defamation is supposed to be high.

Honestly this whole defamation trial just seemed like more abuse.

It’s also hard for me to disentangle the sadistic misogyny on display all over social media with the mass shootings that took place this week. It all forms a part of a really fucked up culture where people are seeking targets for their inarticulate rage.

Johnny Depp fans paid $3k to unseal the court documents just to get dirt on Amber, but ended up unintentionally exposing Depp and information he tried to keep private instead. A thread 🧵🪡 pic.twitter.com/NzH8eD1yJI

— chateau bunny (@cocainecross) July 30, 2022

An interesting (?) resolution to this case:
- settled by Heard (she was going through the appeal process with some very high profile 1st amendment lawyers and the case was thought to be strong)
- only has to pay $1m but is free to speak ???
- the resolution threads two themes that you see in a lot of cases like this: she was being put through the ringer financially and subject to such grotesque harassment that this is the result

Amber Heard settles with Johnny Depp and speaks out: "I will not be threatened, disheartened, or dissuaded by what happened from speaking the truth. No one can and no one will take that from me. My voice forever remains the most valuable asset I have." https://t.co/m6xTr4nwJA

— Variety (@Variety) December 19, 2022

My heart goes out to Amber Heard as she has made the decision to settle the defamation lawsuit against her by her abusive vindictive ex-husband, Johnny Depp. He and his team used misogyny, victim blaming, and lies to further abuse her on the stand. I hope she heals from this… pic.twitter.com/DdCKpQnVSu

— 𝝠sh (@starfallgoddess) December 19, 2022

Heartbreaking, the worst person you know, etc

The Sun is still calling him a violent wife-beater. #CannesYouNot pic.twitter.com/ePVgLq7CgP

— Xandra 39 (@carriecalista) May 19, 2023

fuck Johnny Depp

and Cannes for that matter.

hate teh stupid 'narrative' that won out thanks to Depp's abusive legal tactics