is New York City dead?

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NYC seems genuinely out of fashion for the first time in my life, and maybe its history? Williamsburg is a punchline, Manhattan both above and below 14th St is just rich fuxors, seems like everything that used to happen in only NYC or LA now happens in LA or some other ascendant metropolis. I am not particularly worldly or sophisticated or mobile these days so I can't offer much more evidence, this is just my lay observation. What u think?

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:10 (two years ago) link

New York isn't dead.
There are still lots of great things about this city.
The things I value might not be the same things others value, of course.

ian, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:12 (two years ago) link

no you're dead

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:13 (two years ago) link

okay

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:16 (two years ago) link

I mean, IDK, I was out in bushwick recently on a saturday night and it still seemed happening and teeming with young artsy cutting edge types brimming with energy. However it's been rough for a good amount of time now as far as being a city that young people without a bankroll or a professional job can live in, and that definitely cuts into the creative energy of the city some. I mean I don't even think the bronx offers the kinds of rents today that could be had 20 years ago in brooklyn.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:18 (two years ago) link

like if you mean "dead" as in "no longer can birth a 'scene' the way it could in the 60s/70s/80s/90s, that might be true just because rents are so high.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:21 (two years ago) link

I think that is what I mean. Although "scene" sounds a little tinny/reductive, scenes kind of matter. A city births a scene which creates stuff that matters.

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:23 (two years ago) link

Is Paris dead? How about London? Those cities are pretty expensive too, and have been for some time. New York is still a place that attracts ambitious young people, including artists, and I don’t expect that to change anytime soon.

o. nate, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:25 (two years ago) link

well yeah, I mean a scene as in the beats or the greenwich village folk scene or disco or no wave or whatever. Like the combination of cheap living and high density and educational and arts institutions and economic activity that allows for a scene that actually produces something of worth. Like I just don't think there are many corners of the city left where a bunch of musicians could live close to one another and work more or less full time on their music and pay rent waiting tables part time or whatever. And to the extent such pockets exist, they're scattered at the edges of the city instead of centralized.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:28 (two years ago) link

All cities are dead because culture travels faster through the Internet than it ever could geographically.

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:28 (two years ago) link

Rising rents making it hard for young people to live there unless they're being bankrolled is basically true for all major international cities now. Even Berlin's getting expensive these days.

Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:29 (two years ago) link

But hey, there are always aspiring artists with trust funds, so the city will never die

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:29 (two years ago) link

i don't know the deal w/rents in NYC but i find it funny when people come out to L.A. from there and rhapsodize about how comparatively inexpensive the rent is here.

omar little, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:30 (two years ago) link

I don't go out much anymore, so maybe there's some lively cheap shit I'm missing out on.

It's also really hard for some people in late middle age (w/out a LUCRATIVE CAREER) to live here.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:30 (two years ago) link

I'm also old and have a family and work a lot, and I just don't really know what's happening anymore. When we went out in Bushwick, we saw some local DJs/electronic artists in a little club and it was absurdly packed and seemed pretty alive.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:31 (two years ago) link

I guess another thing I've noticed is that galleries tend to show artists from all over the US and world, and I'm guessing that's more true than it used to be. But that's also an internet-erasing-borders thing.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:33 (two years ago) link

All cities are dead because culture travels faster through the Internet than it ever could geographically.

― treeship 2, Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:28 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is pretty otm

sleepingbag, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:43 (two years ago) link

it's all about the rust belt, my friend

we eat the cheeses here too

they are artisanal

our cities are the envy of all, their livability is primo

j., Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:48 (two years ago) link

Here's how I think about New York, after my last visit there last summer:

New York is good and the only actual large city in America on the metric of everything existing there. Big cities are the ones where there is everything; you can tell Seattle is a small city because there are things that are not here.

New York is bad in that it smells of garbage. In the summer, hot garbage.

If more American cities grow to populations in the millions, New York will be more dead by comparison due declining uniqueness. Is this going to happen? Who knows.

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:52 (two years ago) link

i kinda want to leave, but i have a job i like okay and an unusually fortuitous living situation. there's no real reason for me to be here; i don't partake of the cultural opportunities available

it'll probably be the subway that finally drives me away

mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:57 (two years ago) link

NYC: where if you can make it there as a successful artist, you can also have a successful time crowdfunding your medical bills.

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:21 (two years ago) link

Telecommuting will finish it off.

omar little, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:23 (two years ago) link

Less of a joke, not as dead as San Francisco?

Feels like people have been waiting for a rust belt/flyover city to take over since our traditional metropolises are more 'playground for the rich' than ever but I still don't hear kids looking to move to Columbus or Pittsburgh.

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:27 (two years ago) link

Have the media decided where the New Portland is?

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:29 (two years ago) link

There was a Tooze tweet recently, where he showed stats on how professional actors in the USA, vastly outnumber coal miners. I forgot by much, but it was significantly much.

calzino, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:30 (two years ago) link

I do hear murmurings about ppl aspiring to move to Pittsburgh, Detroit, Denver, a few others

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:31 (two years ago) link

According to @BLS_gov and @TheEconomist there are 51,200 people employed as coal miners in the US v. 785k in 1920. In 2017 there are more florists, actors and personal fitness instructors than miners. pic.twitter.com/m913tHokI2

— Adam Tooze (@adam_tooze) January 2, 2018



I was misquoting it slightly

calzino, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:33 (two years ago) link

Less of a joke, not as dead as San Francisco?

Feels like people have been waiting for a rust belt/flyover city to take over since our traditional metropolises are more 'playground for the rich' than ever but I still don't hear kids looking to move to Columbus or Pittsburgh.

― louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, February 6, 2018 6:27 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I hear rumblings about Pittsburgh now and then. Also tons of my friends moved to Philly over the years and it did seem to be producing bands at a good clip for a while.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:35 (two years ago) link

And no one talks about how many administrative assistant, secretarial and receptionist jobs were lost in NYC due to automation, because... women, a lot of woc. Breadwinners for their families. Fuck coal miners and their sooty tears.

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:37 (two years ago) link

I’m moving back to new york soon bc of my job but it’s not a nice place to live.

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:39 (two years ago) link

I still have my apartment in Astoria. But I really don't want to go back. I dread having to deal with the subway.

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:41 (two years ago) link

The subway is inexcusably unpleasant

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:44 (two years ago) link

i get more anxious/aggro in nyc in my old age. i don't know what it is. impatient. people bug me more. i think its just a case of the olds. i will always love the city though. in general. i've loved hanging out there my whole life.

it really is me being set in my ways. we stayed in brooklyn one summer with the kids and i seriously didn't want to leave the hotel room. get on a subway to go to a museum in manhattan? kill me now.

scott seward, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:45 (two years ago) link

Everything here is comically more stressful than any other place.

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:45 (two years ago) link

I car commute to the suburbs now and it's glorious to not be taking the subway anymore

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:45 (two years ago) link

Why is the ceiling always dripping down there?

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:47 (two years ago) link

Second and third tier cities could attract people by just showing how messed up the MTA is in their promo material.

I haven't lived in nyc full time for almost two years now. I miss it, but I really don't miss it. Just the thought of having to take the subway to work gives me anxiety.

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:48 (two years ago) link

Part of me really regrets accepting another job here. As a teen my dream was living here but it’s not that fun.

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:49 (two years ago) link

NYC misses Yerac and Znarf

ian, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:52 (two years ago) link

Fix the subway and get rid of GOP madness and I am there!

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:55 (two years ago) link

fuck the subway, i drive most places now. and when i do take the subway it's in the middle of the day.
sorry can't do anything about the GOP.

ian, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:57 (two years ago) link

Do you have to go in and out of manhattan a lot or no?

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:59 (two years ago) link

I remember taking the subway maybe 1-2 times a month when I worked in Williamsburg. It was the best. My tweety truck got sold like 3 years ago.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:00 (two years ago) link

i've honestly not experienced the subway horrors that many have, but i will say that the subway is nearly unusable on nights and weekends

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:01 (two years ago) link

just not enough trains

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:01 (two years ago) link

I want to get myself to love it again.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:03 (two years ago) link

Not the subway—the city

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:03 (two years ago) link

The last job I had there, I almost had a breakdown every time I took the subway. I would sometimes using the plodding R so I wouldn't have to deal with the insaneness of the 4,5,6 during rush hour. That train really has the worst people to be stuck with in the tunnel.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:03 (two years ago) link

I do drive into the city regularly. Many mornings I drive in and drop my wife off at work and then drive home. It helps that we live near the Manhattan Bridge and her office is in chinatown. We also might drive in and park for any number of special events.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:06 (two years ago) link

I had the same commute. Bushwick to East Harlem. L to union square than the green line. Sometimes I found myself wishing I would just spontaneously die.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:06 (two years ago) link

Interesting, ian. I don’t have too much experience driving in manhattan but when I’ve done it I didn’t have a good time.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:07 (two years ago) link

Last time I tried to take the L train during rush hour I almost had a panic attack trying to change from the G at Metropolitan; just a slow moving mass of people slowly slithering thru the tunnel. Really grim.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:08 (two years ago) link

I used to drive in the city all the time. It's fine. It was parking that was the issue.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:10 (two years ago) link

I miss DUMPLINGS! and pizza. And things not being closed on Sunday, Monday, half of Wed. or for whatever random holiday/break pops up.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:11 (two years ago) link

driving from Queens to Manhattan is not terrible, although sometimes you wind up having to park in a garage that costs more than whatever you're actually going to the city for.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:14 (two years ago) link

Agreed that the real issue with driving into the city is the parking. Ive gotten used to cruising the grid to find street parking; even if it's metered it's way better than paying a garage imo.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:16 (two years ago) link

I commuted into the city every weekday for work from roughly March 2000-May 2016. Since May 2016, I've been into NYC maybe 20 times - roughly once a month, on average - and I don't miss it at all.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:25 (two years ago) link

Uptown is really nice and feels weirdly timeless, both the east and west sides.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:32 (two years ago) link

new york is obv dead bc we are now just talking about the subway

subway complaints otm though it really is awful

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:34 (two years ago) link

I’m planning to move to east williamsburg soon — with friends — but maybe that isn’t my scene.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:34 (two years ago) link

tbh i've never lived in ny, just visited a ton over the 15 years i lived on the east coast. i love visiting. there is a manic creative energy there, i enjoy being around all different kinds of people, and last time i visited (a month ago) it really struck me how globally, ethnically, socioeconomically diverse it STILL is

claims of a rust belt migration are overblown, though i do meet a fair share of folks who moved back to cleveland like i did after spending time in more expensive cities. there is a cool art scene in cleveland, there is stuff happening. but come on as cool and livable as rust belt cities are (and i do genuinely love them) they are provincial compared to a place like new york

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:37 (two years ago) link

i've been in NYC for eighteen years now and got through 9/11 and sandy evicting me and the 2003 blackout and am now old and fat and running into people I haven't seen in a decade on the way to the dentist
i would likely be a great deal less patient with city life if i had to still be doing daily subway commuting but I've been freelance for about five years and while that comes with its own hassles, i recommend it.
i would say one of the three major reasons i wanted to come here was because i hate cars and car culture and this was one of the few places you could get by without wheels... in the uber economy, this may be less true now?
NYC has ridic good live music and theater and film and art and general performance and lectures every single night of the week and the food is great
you can do all the above for a lot of money or for free/nearly free with a fair amount of due diligence
the rent remains too damn high but i remain amazed that the melting pot is still melting: every ethnicity/gender/class/creed is slammed together and we mostly all get along cheek by jowl without fucking killing each other somehow and that's a small miracle
there are days when i hate everybody and everything here but they're rarer than the days when I'm utterly floored by what the city has to offer.
i <3 ny

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:39 (two years ago) link

also treeship comment about the internet is partially right to some extent those more clearly defined scenes are happening more online than geographically. everywhere has scenes though

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:40 (two years ago) link

Everything here is comically more stressful than any other place.

Try living in London, there's a real shithole for you.

Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:41 (two years ago) link

they are provincial compared to a place like new york

you can get people to piss on you anywhere in america

j., Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:43 (two years ago) link

xp That’s what i’m talking about ulysses. I need to rediscover some of that love — that Whitmanian view of new york. That’s what makes stuff like the stress of commuting bearable. It’s hard to feel that sometimes with all the grotesque and out of control wealth. And also I am just bitter now

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:46 (two years ago) link

"Try living in London, there's a real shithole for you."

Don't talk to me about sophistication, Ive lived in Woolwich.

calzino, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:48 (two years ago) link

The East River Ferry is sort of a life-changing alternative to subway commuting. You can spend an entire week without going underground ever. But yeah, to get back to the thread topic, RIP New York.

mick signals, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:57 (two years ago) link

new york city is dead but where in america isn't? america is a failing nation. we should all be trying to immigrate to asia!

, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 01:34 (two years ago) link

I love NYC more when I am not in it. I don't like to shop, my favorite restaurants/bars are closed, the weather was getting to me. Cell phones/internet kind of ruined most aspects of going out (but that is true for a lot of places, just other places can have better manners about it). Tourism is killing a lot of cities. I say that as someone who is frequently a tourist to other places. But at least tourists from NY walk fast and try not to gawk.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 08:41 (two years ago) link

I've been spending a month in France and London. It's cold and grey. I would always choose them over NY because of all the ways they are different.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 08:44 (two years ago) link

There are still millions of young people living, drinking, making music, etc. in NYC, but apparently the city is dead because it's the wrong TYPE of young people?

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 14:17 (two years ago) link

Most of what I love about the place has gone away or I've been priced out of participating.

I hate it. And I can't leave.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:16 (two years ago) link

I've never thought about NYC as being for "young people".

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:18 (two years ago) link

it seems like it's exclusively for young people. most people get out of dodge when they have kids to avoid paying for private school.

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:27 (two years ago) link

ok maybe not most people, but a lot of people. i think when i'm in my 40s i would probably rather live in a house in a less exciting place than a tiny apartment in the city. but idk, i haven't gotten there yet.

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:29 (two years ago) link

Some of those young ppl won't be here much longer because there's nowhere affordable to live while you work nights and go to community college or start having kids before you have a "career." There are even a lot of young people coming back from college who can't afford to go back to the communities that they came from.

Anyway, whatever, I'm over it. My bf just bought a house in the Hudson Valley. I'm not moving up there with him but I am saving money for my own house somewhere there-ish or near-ish. I want a porch.

Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:34 (two years ago) link

i enjoy living a few miles away in NJ with the ability to either drive in, take a train, bus or ferry. Im not sure i could deal with living there day to day. i only have to go into the city for work a few times a month so any other time is for entertainment and that's cool with me.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:40 (two years ago) link

I've never thought about NYC as being for "young people".

― Yerac, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:18 AM (forty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Manhattan is for old people with yorkshire terriers.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:59 (two years ago) link

I think people are kidding mostly but there are a lot of seniors living in NYC. And not on the UWS either.

Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:18 (two years ago) link

It’s a little annoying when people plug their ears about the economic differences between NYC today vs 20 years ago because it’s pretty obvious that it’s become a much harder place for any non-monied person to live and undertake creative pursuits.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:24 (two years ago) link

i've been here for 14 years and i am definitely worn down to a nub. life here has defeated me. we are dangerously near to being served an eviction notice this month so i might have worse problems than nyc exhaustion soon. i've been stuck here mostly because my wife is very very rooted to the city, with a broad tree of good friends and useful contacts. We'll see how it goes.

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:26 (two years ago) link

If so, it's about time. It's had a good run, and maybe it should be grateful for all the time it's had as being the coolest hippest best biggest etc.

Maybe it should follow the example of straight white men: recognizing that it's had more than its share of glory, and gracefully stepping aside so that other entities might get a share of the spotlight every now and then.

I will finish what I (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:27 (two years ago) link

nyc should step to the left, into NJ, or to the right, further onto long island

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:29 (two years ago) link

new york's alright if you like sex and phones

mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:31 (two years ago) link

america being a country descended from farmers who went west for 40 acres and a mule, i think it's a wonder the NYC exists at all. there are really no alternatives to NYC infrastructure-wise, easy to see why people come here. nobody, the feds or the state is willing to invest in it anymore so it's going to die a slow death. america!

, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:31 (two years ago) link

new york's alright if you like sex and phones

I hear some other cities may be getting those things soon.

I will finish what I (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:34 (two years ago) link

Everyone in Williamsburg pivoted to video

Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:39 (two years ago) link

grass is greener lads

it depends where your priorities are and what your tastes are

infinity (∞), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:40 (two years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycR3K1IIf9U

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:47 (two years ago) link

Twenty years, for me--my entire adult life. But I'm so tired, every day, all the time. Taking the subway is an exhausting chore and it doesn't even count as part of my exhausting workday. Even with a vehicle, it takes an hour to travel 8 or 10 miles bc of traffic and lights. The things I like about NY are now limited to my friends and my immediate residential community, and I can transplant/develop those things elsewhere. (PS I hate all music and shows and movies and bars and loud noises.)

Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:48 (two years ago) link

NYC is the best if you are older and have no kids. You're not the weirdo, old person with no kids. You can get everything delivered, never have to drive, the doorman can do welfare checks if you have no family.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:50 (two years ago) link

I hate it. And I can't leave.

No, that's Minneapolis that people hate and can't leave.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:51 (two years ago) link

I think I just happened to luck out by buying a super shitty Trump Sr. row house in Wburg in 2004 before I knew any better.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:53 (two years ago) link

xxxp Sure if you have $$$. Otherwise you can be any of the mobility-challenged seniors in my neighborhood who are confined to their homes bc they can't walk or climb stairs anymore, living alone or being checked on by one or two children, refusing to leave their homes but not able to care for them anymore. Two of them died in a house fire a few days after Christmas, right across the street from me. I worry about my next-door neighbor constantly but she's too stubborn to budge. I don't have children to take care of me, or own a home to die in, so I figure I'd better get started making something stick.

Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:53 (two years ago) link

Seriously tho, this ...

The things I like about NY are now limited to my friends and my immediate residential community, and I can transplant/develop those things elsewhere.

... is basically true of every major city. They're all fucking exhausting and at a certain point you age out of city life.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:54 (two years ago) link

NYC does have some advantages with kids -- I'm across the street from the playground, 5 min walk to the preschool, 20 min walk to the elementary school (and we still get a bus fwiw). The corner store has anything we need in a pinch and costco is accessible by a very short drive or even subway (although I'd hate to lug a load of costco groceries on the subway).

That said, we're in one of the last "affordable" neighborhoods with good schools and our monthly housing costs for an apartment are still comparable to a nice house in Jersey.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:55 (two years ago) link

well eventually i will be stored in my sister's house in CT. Maybe in ten years, maybe in 5 months.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:57 (two years ago) link

eventually i'll be stored in a cremation urn

infinity (∞), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:01 (two years ago) link

I like living in a major city with access to everything but at the same time, when someone I know here cashes out there home they bought in 1998 (for 200k-ish) for 1 million and then they buy a massive place in Vermont or Carolina I get vv existentially bummed out knowing I moved into this city at the wrong time.

omar little, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:03 (two years ago) link

i'm planning to be sprinkled in the parking lot that used to be Shea Stadium

xp

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:04 (two years ago) link

I wish I could eat the pizza that my ashes char flavor.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:06 (two years ago) link

xp

actually i was just thinking it'd be cheaper if i'm sprinkled over english bay

infinity (∞), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:10 (two years ago) link

i think most americans want to live in a castle and want to live alone and be left alone. NYC is pretty antithetical to that unless you're the kind of person who can own at one 57.

, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:11 (two years ago) link

No, that's Minneapolis that people hate and can't leave.

tbh i liked it and left

mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:14 (two years ago) link

the Midwest is gonna become cool again in like 15 years tops

ciderpress, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:21 (two years ago) link

Pittsburgh is already the next Seattle and Cleveland is probably the next Pittsburgh, all cities are inherently attractive places to live

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:26 (two years ago) link

Try visiting San Antonio sometime.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:27 (two years ago) link

Upon returning to U.S. my wife and I wanted to give somewhere else besides NYC a shot. We had one kid at the time and were planning on a second and had sold our place in BK and knew we were now priced out for good. We decided on western MA as I had history/friends in the area. On the drive up from my parents' place in FL (where my car had been parked for a couple years) we got increasingly worried that even visiting friends in NYC would be too much—we missed it so much and were afraid of falling back under the city's spell and changing our minds about getting out. So we drove inland on the Thruway without stopping, right past it. That was fourteen years ago.

I would echo everything said upthread about the city being easier to soldier through on a daily basis when you are younger. (And about that ease returning in old age.) I used to enjoy waiting for the train to come, even late at night, so long as I had something to read. In my 40s I have less patience for all the city logistics—not just the subway but shopping for groceries more frequently, dealing with manic co-op or condo people, landlord whatever.

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:28 (two years ago) link

xxp it depends, some places have mountains/oceans/temperate climates and they have a certain cachet for people who like those things nearby

mh, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:29 (two years ago) link

i think most americans want to live in a castle and want to live alone and be left alone.

― 龜, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:11 PM (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I used to hate that American, suburban mindset — which is so wasteful and misanthropic and implicitly right wing — but now I think it makes sense and I want to live in the woods.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:30 (two years ago) link

xxp I shld add that all the same I go down pretty frequently, for several years commuted once weekly to teach, and that to this day I feel more at home and more in sync and somehow more relaxed (?) in New York than I ever have in pastoral New England

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:30 (two years ago) link

western MA is dope, i have lived there and i loved it

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:31 (two years ago) link

xxp I was reminded that, even in high school, I used to say I wanted to be a hermit in the woods and not have to deal with people ... but I think that stemmed from still being in the closet

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:32 (two years ago) link

Yeah it's cool but really one of its advantages is its relative proximity to NYC xp

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:33 (two years ago) link

you have educational & cultural institutions and progressive attitudes of the city but there is abundant nature around. so many cool little towns too

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:33 (two years ago) link

I don’t know myself anymore.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:33 (two years ago) link

I would like to visit western MA but y'know i don't drive. (Which is also why i can't live in other places, besides there not being jobs I could get.)

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:35 (two years ago) link

sometimes i think about moving to the okanagan ya

infinity (∞), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:36 (two years ago) link

like starting a little vineyard and just looking after my grapes and riding my horse

infinity (∞), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:37 (two years ago) link

Xpost that is the other thing for us. K cannot drive so moving to any other city equals in her mind, perhaps correctly, isolation and loss of independence.

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:37 (two years ago) link

xpmarcos All of these things are true but there if you are not from New England there is something about the character, the social vibe—even in the hotbed of progressivism where I live—that makes for tough acclimation. What I miss most about the city is people, random exchanges, a sort of affection strangers have for one another, an ease of intercourse.

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:39 (two years ago) link

I used to hate that American, suburban mindset — which is so wasteful and misanthropic and implicitly right wing — but now I think it makes sense and I want to live in the woods.

― treeship 2, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:30 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark

it's okay, you're returning to your native state of being. you probably grew up in a suburb didn't you? it's alright, for a few generations americans were able to achieve the dream of buying and living in their own house in the countryside, far away from other people, like the feudal lords of old, until the world ran out of oil and the massive famines and droughts caused by climate change.

, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:39 (two years ago) link

Morbs we now have a train that comes to directly to downtown Northampton. I'll show you all the yarns shops.

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:39 (two years ago) link

how many are there?

Evan, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:42 (two years ago) link

137

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:43 (two years ago) link

i'll spin you a yarn or two

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:44 (two years ago) link

uh oh y'all are gonna make me miss Northampton

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:48 (two years ago) link

i miss northampton. i lived in that cool brick apartment building above the watering hole and northampton coffee. that town is so rad

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:54 (two years ago) link

it's pricy now afaik, though other western MA towns are less so i tihnk? easthampton & greenfield are still pretty cheap i think

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:55 (two years ago) link

i was there last month, went to the montague book mill which is one of the best little spots in western MA imo maybe all of new england

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:56 (two years ago) link

One of my favorite places to live was a small one bedroom above a bar and coffee shop in a college town in upstate NY. If one of us got a job offer there I'd move back to that town in a heartbeat tbh.

omar little, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:57 (two years ago) link

driving isn't really that difficult

mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:59 (two years ago) link

Nah driving sucks

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:01 (two years ago) link

One of my favorite places to live was a small one bedroom above a bar and coffee shop in a college town in upstate NY. If one of us got a job offer there I'd move back to that town in a heartbeat tbh.

― omar little, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:57 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what town?

Evan, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:02 (two years ago) link

i grew up in a driving city so i don't find it that bad. driving & listening to music is fun

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:03 (two years ago) link

there is basically no traffic in cleveland though so that helps

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:03 (two years ago) link

Driving would be difficult for me, I'd crash in the first week. Also a car would be a money pit.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:05 (two years ago) link

driving isn't really that difficult

― mookieproof

Nah driving sucks

― direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby)

These are not contradictory btw. It can be easy WHILE still sucking.

(It is also possible to not-drive in places other than NYC, but that's a whole nother topic)

I will finish what I (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:09 (two years ago) link

gotta get morbs a bike. or rollerblades.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:15 (two years ago) link

car 100% money pit tho. can attest.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:16 (two years ago) link

i've been running a $300 monthly deficit lately w/out one, so...

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:17 (two years ago) link

One of my favorite places to live was a small one bedroom above a bar and coffee shop in a college town in upstate NY. If one of us got a job offer there I'd move back to that town in a heartbeat tbh.

― omar little, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:57 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what town?

― Evan, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:02 AM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ithaca!

Went back for an overnight visit a couple summers ago and it seemed like things had actually picked up a bit since I left way back in 1999.

omar little, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:23 (two years ago) link

Gotta say it's been somewhat gratifying to see all of these down-on-NYC posts. I'm one of those who left (six years ago) for the suburbs once kids arrived, and while I have no regrets or doubts about the decision I can't help but wonder sometimes what things would be like if we'd tried to make a go of it in the city. I do still come in every day for work and like HVIII said (I might as well just quote him here) "I feel more at home and more in sync and somehow more relaxed (?) in New York." Maybe not the relaxed bit -- I'm pretty relaxed at home too. I really really miss the easy access to live music and amazing food and non-blockbuster films. But I don't know if I'd be able to enjoy and take advantage of the city like I did in my 20s. And we have fantastic neighbors where we are now, we love the schools, and we can spread out a bit -- we're not on top of each other all the time. One of the nicest things has been how my relationship to the outdoors has changed. Particularly with a small child it felt like there was always some planning involved just to get a little fresh air; now I walk out to the backyard in my pajamas with my coffee without a second thought, and I can spend hours outside with the kids without worrying about what to do if someone gets hungry or has to go to the bathroom.

Walking around the city now it feels like it's less interesting than it used to be, but I hope I'm wrong about that and that's it's down to me being older and not in touch with where the cool things are happening. My wife and I try to bring the kids in at least once a month because we want them to know something beyond suburban living, and I hope it'll be a place where they'd like to live when they're out on their own. But I don't know if the kind of neighborhoods I lived in and hung out in and loved will exist in 15-20 years.

It really was an outrageously great city to live in during my pre-family days though.

early rejecter, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:50 (two years ago) link

gotta get morbs a bike. or rollerblades.

thanks buddy, but most of my lifestyle problems would be solved with a rich husband

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:08 (two years ago) link

let me know when you find one, i'll be your butler.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:14 (two years ago) link

fwiw I feel like this thread represents a massive turn either for the board or NYC sentiment generally -- it used to seem like any time you knocked NYC in these parts people would jump on you for being some kind of butthurt man-who-doesn't-like-bob-dylan type

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:27 (two years ago) link

Hate Bob dylan

Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:30 (two years ago) link

we're just old now

mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:31 (two years ago) link

Hipster replacements the next big thing

Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:32 (two years ago) link

older and poorer

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:33 (two years ago) link

new york is pretty good though. still got gray's papaya and papaya king.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:35 (two years ago) link

the thing is that nyc is never not getting knocked by New Yorkers. everyone has nostalgia for one or more halcyon nyc's, even the wasteland versions. This is an especially rough period because real estate, gross income inequality, etc. but after the impending cataclysm it will enter a new phase again. The ghosts of the city linger and it will never be truly dead-dead

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:37 (two years ago) link

https://brokelyn.com/union-pool-hookup-homages-now-trending-twitter/

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:39 (two years ago) link

When I first moved to NY in my 20s I so naively thought it was the coolest thing that a lot of bars didn't have signs. Now I think that's super annoying.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:41 (two years ago) link

does underwater count as dead-dead?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:42 (two years ago) link

ha yes probably

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:43 (two years ago) link

Driving is easy but it's a constant mental drag. Driving in an urban area is just unpleasant and closed off.

louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:43 (two years ago) link

One of the worst experiences in my life was when I had to drive less than a mile in Boston from a hotel garage to the MassPike but maybe this is too off topic at this point

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:48 (two years ago) link

will take driving in nyc over boston any day of the week

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:52 (two years ago) link

I don't really want to live in NYC because my midwest town is ridiculously livable, and there are lots of great restaurants everywhere now (or here at least). It would theoretically be nice to see world-class jazz musicians on any night of the week, but some of those have moved here from NYC, and I don't go see them very often.

All I really pine after is the diversity and club culture (although how healthy even is that now, in terms of DIY-ish spaces?).

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:52 (two years ago) link

will take driving in nyc over boston any day of the week

― Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, February 7, 2018 2:52 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh HELL yes

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:55 (two years ago) link

Driving in Boston made me feel insane, I encountered intersections without precedent in my 21 yrs of driving.

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:57 (two years ago) link

it is the earthly worst!

i was saying to Doctor Casino after the FAP for Wins that maybe, just maybe, the slow march to ruin of the subway system might do what street crime once did for nyc rent prices

I don't really believe it though

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:58 (two years ago) link

I still don't hear kids looking to move to Columbus or Pittsburgh.

Pittsburgh: they do
Columbus: they should

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:58 (two years ago) link

there is a guy who has always hung out in front of the bodega on my block, a massive friendly guy named Frankie who apparently writes poetry, and once about ten years ago (when my part of williamsburg was still only somewhat gentrified) I heard him tell his friends "There's only one thing that can save this neighborhood. Street violence."

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:00 (two years ago) link

i never drove in Boston or NYC, for which i feel pretty fortunate. however i live in Los Angeles, which is a very different form of insanity. it's less a sense of constant panic or anger for me, it's more a subconscious murmur of apocalypses to come. no one will be able to get out of here alive.

omar little, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:00 (two years ago) link

i got to be a goddamned pro driving in boston and it is a point of pride now, these midwestern simpletons here don't know how to drive

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:00 (two years ago) link

columbus seems to be booming right now but cleveland is the cooler city imo

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:01 (two years ago) link

Pittsburgh is regional, though, right? There's not a lot of small-town teenagers from Georgia gunning for their shot in Pittsburgh.

louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:02 (two years ago) link

i would choose columbus because of the comix library and attached scene

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:04 (two years ago) link

I also have been hearing about Pittsburgh from artist-types who have lived in NYC at some point and are looking for cheap rent + a decent scene of some sort, some friends recently moved there.

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:05 (two years ago) link

I have been to ballgames in Akron, Dayton, Cincy and Cleveland, but not Columbus

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:06 (two years ago) link

everything is regional, apart from nyc/chi/la and whatever the seattle of the moment is

mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:07 (two years ago) link

yea migration to pittsburgh is regional, so are all the midwestern cities

i'm trying to find it right now but i'm not having luck - some migration patterns thing that showed which cities people were moving from to other cities, e.g. people moving to new york are coming from london, new delhi, etc, and people moving to denver are coming from san francisco, seattle, etc, and then people moving to cleveland are coming from like akron, canton, columbus. highlighting how global, national, or regional migration to different cities is happening

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:08 (two years ago) link

My last Union Pool hookup was Dec 14 2009, age 24, night before my GREs. He was a dashing and successful painter 13+ years my senior. The affair was on-off for 8 years. I missed a whole section of the GRE but still got into Yale. Blessings, Union Pool. https://t.co/47hWA5e8lx

— Alana Massey (@AlanaMassey) January 31, 2018

this person sounds deeply obnoxious

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:10 (two years ago) link

xxp yeah, that was my initial thought w/ bringing up Columbus and Pittsburgh - nowhere else is even close to challenging NY's status whether it's dead or not. Other cities can aim for being the Austin of their tri-state area.

louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:11 (two years ago) link

Union Pool evokes a lot of memories for me but they're not particularly good or bad memories, it was just a place I happened to go a bunch of times and play a couple times. It seemed very central to a certain group of people that I was just sort of peripheral too by way of being in a band with a couple of them.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:13 (two years ago) link

i still wind up at union pool once or twice a month it seems. friends work there, friends have played there, it's fairly centrally located. never got laid cuz of union pool tho.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:18 (two years ago) link

is union pool closing or something?

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:18 (two years ago) link

not while there are hookups to come

i will go to the free shows in the yard in the summer (2x a year)

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:26 (two years ago) link

i depend on my buddy who works there to let me know if something special is happening (sadly he did not text me about the free richard bishop show til a couple hours before start by which time I was buried in laundry or some other adult chore)

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:29 (two years ago) link

i saw some good old fashioned slutishness @ union pool when i was in ny a cpl months ago, it was pretty late and mostly empty, & right in the middle of the main room some girl was giving this total knob of a dude on a chair this, like, ultra drunken, showgirls-style lap dance. it was p hilarious and all the bartenders were taking selfies w/them in the bg.

sleepingbag, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:32 (two years ago) link

nowhere else is even close to challenging NY's status whether it's dead or not

la has completely eclipsed/ultramurdered ny in all creative fields. ny still reigns supreme for salarymen

sleepingbag, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:37 (two years ago) link

if i had a lot of cash i would definitely choose LA

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:45 (two years ago) link

pic.twitter.com/iTvkRhUZ3H

— Joel Irwin (@irwindigital) January 31, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:57 (two years ago) link

i moved from nyc to la last year. both are great cities, but both could use an infrastructure week or two.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:59 (two years ago) link

You'd have to pay me a fuckload of money to live in LA.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 21:01 (two years ago) link

would you consider an extra bathroom and two spare bedrooms and a garage in lieu of the money?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 21:03 (two years ago) link

Well... probably not! We have a really nice apartment to be honest. Two bathrooms, one spare bedroom, big open space, don't mind street parking in our neighborhood.

I have only spent a little time in LA, but I think it would be tough for me to live there. The constant driving, all your friends being spread out, too hot.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 21:04 (two years ago) link

It feels too suburban, and the parts that feel walkable seem bad. Of course I'm sure there are plenty of nice neighborhoods, I've just never spent time in them.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 21:05 (two years ago) link

and also just that feeling of a city built where the land did not want a city to be...

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 21:07 (two years ago) link

I didn't find it too hot, and better transit than I expected. But not enough rep cinema.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 21:12 (two years ago) link

i think new york definitely took a massive blow when i left, because a lot of people find me very compelling, but yeah, that's a fair description of LA ian.

i work from home here so the driving affects me much less here, but fwiw when i drive to the kinds of places i go it takes me less time to get to them than it did in new york, unless those new york places were walking <10 mins walking distance. but i do miss walking.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 21:14 (two years ago) link

Ian, where do you live now? Or is it the place you have been living in for a long time?

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 21:14 (two years ago) link

life seems great in LA, I have enjoyed visiting, and friends who have moved there in last ten years seem happy abt it, but it doesn't cohere for me as a "city"...like I never have a sense of a single, specific energy coursing through it, never the feeling that something happening in one part is relevant to any other...and this is the quality I most appreciate in a city, above and beyond the robustness of a given scene or whatever

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 21:15 (two years ago) link

Some friends moved out to LA a while back but didn't stay. I will always remember when they moved back, saying that the only place they saw their friends was by chance in the grocery store.

xp Yerac, I live in Clinton Hill, where I have lived for 6.5 years.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 21:15 (two years ago) link

i think new york definitely took a massive blow when i left, because a lot of people find me very compelling

otm!

mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 21:17 (two years ago) link

Ok, the last apt. I remember was when we took Pete to the park nearby (Prospect Heights?). I like having small spaces because it doesn't take me long to clean and we literally hang out in the same 100 sq feet of space all the time.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 21:18 (two years ago) link

i find LA a very visitor-hostile place compared to new york, both in the sense that it's physically challenging and it's culturally inscrutable and inpenetrable to the average non-american because it's so unlike anywhere in, say, europe. when i have family over it's a ton of work and they don't like it anyway. i can imagine that feeling persisting for a while, maybe years, when you first move here. i moved here with a local which helps.

ha xp!

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 21:20 (two years ago) link

i miss the compelling caek too

I've alao been told i should stay somewhere besides Hollywood next trip. I understand things actually go on Downtown now.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 21:22 (two years ago) link

Well... probably not! We have a really nice apartment to be honest. Two bathrooms, one spare bedroom, big open space, don't mind street parking in our neighborhood.

I have only spent a little time in LA, but I think it would be tough for me to live there. The constant driving, all your friends being spread out, too hot.

― ian, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:04 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It feels too suburban, and the parts that feel walkable seem bad. Of course I'm sure there are plenty of nice neighborhoods, I've just never spent time in them.

― ian, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:05 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i feel like we live in the exact right neighborhood for us, close to good friends (or close enough) and one block from our son's elementary school. we're even in a bit of a valley, so we're not baking in the sun all day during the summer. there's even a vv good bookstore nearby, and movie theaters. you can walk! it's very comfortable right here. but a lot of the trendy hoods I don't really dig. I didn't like Silver Lake and Highland Park isn't really my "thing." I think if i was coming to town now, I'd aim to live in downtown or Little Tokyo.

My issue I guess is I've never quite felt at home here, I'm not really a big fan of the climate and eventually it'll be a city only a war boy could love. And really the real estate prices are just depressing for us, a family trying to scrape by and stick around to help out my wife's parents.

omar little, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 21:23 (two years ago) link

i also like to run around strange cities with paper maps in hand, which usually involves getting lost for 30 minutes here and there. I was wandering among all these nice houses in Los Feliz a few summers back with nary a human in sight, and was sure someone was gonna call the cops.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 21:25 (two years ago) link

That Judd Apatow show "Love" made me think that LA could be ok. I don't think I have outright ever enjoyed being there though.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 21:25 (two years ago) link

My friends in LA who hate living there say they don't want to move to NYC because everyone in NYC thinks they are too smart.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 21:26 (two years ago) link

tbf we are pretty smart

mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 21:27 (two years ago) link

i stayed in echo park when i went to LA (at a friend of a friends') it was really pretty; i love cities on hills and think i disagree with 'a city built where the land did not want a city to be'. however the spread out driving around thing totally sucks. nyc always rules, although i always wonder why so many people who move there seem disapointed

flopson, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 21:40 (two years ago) link

everyone i know who has lived in new york moaned a lot about their commutes. i guess it can be quotidian things like that that make or break something for you

khat person (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 21:41 (two years ago) link

I have enjoyed my couple visits to LA, I even walked and used transit during one of them. It’s unlike anywhere else that is for heckin sure.

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 21:56 (two years ago) link

A lot of women I know had a terrible time dating in NYC and had to leave to find partners.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 22:07 (two years ago) link

I have had a terrible time, and stopped looking. Cheaper.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 22:20 (two years ago) link

I feel like I can maybe do two years here then I’ll need to figure something else out.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 22:24 (two years ago) link

A lot of women I know had a terrible time dating in NYC and had to leave to find partners.
― Yerac, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 5:07 PM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this was an accepted truth when I lived there briefly in the late 90s. Wonder how far back it goes.

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 22:33 (two years ago) link

reading these responses makes me feel like i like NYC for different reasons than everyone else. i like living here because i like the density! i like that walking is part of my daily routine and that most everything i need is within a 15 minute walk of where i live, and for everything else there's amazon. subway sucks but not so bad for me because i don't take it during peak rush hours. being around people in general is good, i think, even complete strangers. it's good to know other people exist and also i'm an inveterate people-watcher. i like that when it's 70 on a summer evening i can go out an walk about an hour without any particular aim. what kills me about suburban living is how deterministic it is, you drive from your house to the supermarket and back and all in between is is a bunch of grousing at other cars, stopping at the train tracks. grocery shopping can be a pain, i acknowledge, i'm pretty close to getting a little grocery cart.

the artist communities, bars, are not something i'm really even aware of. probably the movie scene is what i'd miss most if i were to leave but even now i rarely go to any movies, as morbs knows, because most movies are longer than 89 minutes for some reason, and in DCP.

, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 22:35 (two years ago) link

no, everyone is just moving to queens now

flappy bird, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 22:36 (two years ago) link

xp tbh all of those reasons are exactly why I loved visiting NYC and want to return soon, but the state of the subway did make me sad

mh, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 22:37 (two years ago) link

i like that when it's 70 on a summer evening i can go out an walk about an hour without any particular aim

dan thank you for living my nyc flaneur fantasy <3

flopson, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 22:38 (two years ago) link

I would say that most people in NYC love that they walk a lot and can walk anywhere.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 22:39 (two years ago) link

read that as dad xp

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 22:39 (two years ago) link

i love walking in every city but nyc walking that's a whole other level

flopson, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 22:42 (two years ago) link

I really don't know how anyone is going to be able to open any kind of new business in a commercial space without some wack monolithic investors.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 22:43 (two years ago) link

dan thank you for living my nyc flaneur fantasy <3

― flopson, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 5:38 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark

<3

also +1 on the city being a lot less compelling now that caek's gone!

, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 22:45 (two years ago) link

learn another language and leave the USA, it’s a challenge but the satisfaction is worth it. if you have kids they’ll be bilingual in like 3 months

droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 22:46 (two years ago) link

Dublin guys Dublin

I can attest that Dan likes to walk and look at ppl

Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 23:56 (two years ago) link

i've lived in los angeles six years now

when i first moved here everything did look suburban and 3/4 of it look like a third world country, which i've gotten used to now

and it took me a while to know where the part of the county was that feels like a proper city and then i moved there, lived there for a few years and good lord it was slightly horrifying

nyc never appealed to me though and but i never "got it"

i do miss vancouver a lot, mostly because all my pals are there and it's my base, i'm glad i'll be moving back at the end of the year if everything goes well *knock on wood*

but los angeles is a weird place. like you can find anything and everything and that's what makes it cool and horrific all at the same time. it's got these "underground" worlds (plural) that reminds me of tokyo

and if you're caught staring a little too long you'll get shot which is kinda cool because staring is not nice (something vancouver can learn from)

infinity (∞), Thursday, 8 February 2018 00:10 (two years ago) link

i'm visiting again in a week. I still love it there.

Hi diddley dee, hen fapper's life for me (Neanderthal), Thursday, 8 February 2018 00:17 (two years ago) link

i've actually really learned to love los angeles and it has a very special place in my heart now

everyone i know basically hates it though

but i love all the different cultures and parts of the city, like it's no big deal if you need to visit compton, it's not like "oh shit COMPTON" which is what a lot of people outside of la feel

one sad thing is los angeles is so segregated by race, so for all its diversity, there might as well not be any but i guess this exists pretty much in most very diverse cities

infinity (∞), Thursday, 8 February 2018 00:20 (two years ago) link

i was in vancouver last month and everyone there was so friggin nice. ime they display the warm, welcoming attitude usually misattributed to american southerners (usually by southerners themselves)

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 8 February 2018 00:25 (two years ago) link

stay a little longer and you'll change your mind

infinity (∞), Thursday, 8 February 2018 00:30 (two years ago) link

you make your own new york
for me, landing between Prospect Park and Greenwood Cemetery was such a blessing. Both are complex outdoor spaces, heavily landscaped and considered; one is absolutely jammed full of people above ground and the other is virtually empty of living people. Both are wonderful options to reset from the city's chaos. I try to get to both at least once a week and that helps keep me balanced. that and the medicine.

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 8 February 2018 00:35 (two years ago) link

Seems like NYC is not dead. thanks for confirming, everyone

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 8 February 2018 01:55 (two years ago) link

everyone is just moving to queens now

I have noticed this a little bit, but I'll prob notice it a lot more soon since the L tunnel shuts down next year

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 8 February 2018 01:56 (two years ago) link

no chili, it's like when the electrical energy is still pulsing thru a corpse

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 February 2018 01:58 (two years ago) link

I'm a queens booster but you still need like middle class income to live here, other than maybe Jamaica.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 8 February 2018 02:26 (two years ago) link

i don't think new york is dying as much as i am.

it is however meeting a lot of less interesting cities half way.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 8 February 2018 03:33 (two years ago) link

What’s it like in Mexico City these days

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Thursday, 8 February 2018 06:45 (two years ago) link

Friend's little brother has lived there for a few years, loves it. Last I heard he made enough to live playing online poker for a few hours a day but he might be doing something else with that degree in applied mathematics now.

louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 8 February 2018 07:17 (two years ago) link

I loved from Brooklyn to Queens in 2015. I was really hoping for Jackson Heights or Sunnyside but landed in Astoria.

Yerac, Thursday, 8 February 2018 09:58 (two years ago) link

i used to live out in jersey city, walking distance from man alive.... i have nostalgia for that neighborhood, though i think MA's neck of the woods was a bit rougher. didn't some guy get shot in that bar out front of your place?
anyways, i miss hangin' with you and your wife in those halcyon pre-kid days.

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 8 February 2018 14:11 (two years ago) link

What’s it like in Mexico City these days

― direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby)

friend moved there a couple years ago and loves it. i'm making plans to go visit soon

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 8 February 2018 14:34 (two years ago) link

I didn't read this whole thread because I missed it.

Williamsburg is a joke but greenpoint and bushwick and ridgewood and still "cool" by most people's standards.

It's still expensive but there are cheap ways and places to live and people willing to spend 75% of their salary on rent and creative trust fund kids oh so many trust fund kids.

There's cool pockets in manhattan, particularly lower east side to chinatown. Just go to Commend or 2 Bridges.

I've lived in Woodside Queens for 12 years and still pay less than 2K for a large 2 bedroom apt in a nice building, plus 175$ for parking in the garage underneath, take that.

But people still move here to make it. There's no competition in the states other than LA. We still have the best food, the most record stores and just the most everything, except for decent vietnamese food.

It's the same as it's always been, scene-wise, sure it's not a packed Max's Kansas City or empty lot show in Williamsburg but the amount of kids doing techno/electronic music type stuff through bushwick and DJing and whatnot, still is overwhelming. Still more things going on in a single night than any other american city has in a month.

But half of those things are empty and lame.

dan selzer, Thursday, 8 February 2018 15:11 (two years ago) link

i moved out 11 years ago. two kids now. i can't fathom the school situation?? isn't it sort of apocalyptic? primary schools in london are largely excellent, even in deprived boroughs.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 February 2018 15:20 (two years ago) link

Is there decent indian food? I've never been able to find it.

Yerac, Thursday, 8 February 2018 15:20 (two years ago) link

in london??

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 February 2018 15:24 (two years ago) link

i'm no expert but off the top of my head you've got rasa in stoke newington, tayabbs in whitechapel, chor bizarre in mayfair

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 February 2018 15:26 (two years ago) link

I found NYC quite depressing when I was there last spring for the first time in many many years. So many empty storefronts, etc. Obv there are great things about it that will always be there, and some of those great things are things I appreciate more now that I'm older than I did when I was younger (ie: I'm there with my kid so I'm not looking for vibrant nightlife, music clubs, etc so much now) but it seemed like a categorically different city than it used to be.

akm, Thursday, 8 February 2018 15:26 (two years ago) link

London on the other hand I still adore, find vibrant and intensely enjoyable, look forward to being there every year. I'd sooner move there than anywhere else.

akm, Thursday, 8 February 2018 15:27 (two years ago) link

decent indian food exists just not at the most obvious places in jackson heights. Like some of the smaller more random places or curry hill or out in richmond hill. Indian food in jackson heights has been largely replaced by nepali food.

dan selzer, Thursday, 8 February 2018 15:33 (two years ago) link

i stayed in greenpoint over new year's, and what surprised me was how little had actually changed? i think of new york as growing and changing too fast, favorite restaurants closing within months, but greenpoint just kinda looked like it always had, maybe a couple of new bars, a new restaurant or two, but in general it was the same old weatherbeaten vibe, everything half run-down, the same inscrutable interlocking latticework of jealously guarded private property honeycombed within networks of utterly begrimed common land

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 February 2018 15:35 (two years ago) link

huh

greenpoint is massively overhauled to my eye

the storefronts are physically the same (weatherbeaten for sure) but the businesses are all 'owl & butterchurn' twee shit now

and driving down manhattan ave is now comically hair-raising, like walking a hippo through the eye of a needle

the winos remain as scary as before though.

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 8 February 2018 16:06 (two years ago) link

i didn't walk down manhattan ave - i never took a step in the direction of bedford actually, maybe this is why

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 February 2018 16:08 (two years ago) link

i moved out 11 years ago. two kids now. i can't fathom the school situation?? isn't it sort of apocalyptic? primary schools in london are largely excellent, even in deprived boroughs.

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, February 8, 2018 10:20 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

In some ways the schools are probably much better than they were 10-20 years ago, but any decent one is going to be really crowded. My daughter's school has had a growing waitlist for K every year, and they've managed to get everyone in each year so far but eventually they'll hit a breaking point.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:02 (two years ago) link

And probably the only thing keeping it from being worse is the limited amount of buildable land in my neighborhood, so there aren't tons of new rentals and condos springing up everywhere like in LIC. It's mostly just turnover from old to young that's caused the increase in school population.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:03 (two years ago) link

Sorry, that was an xpost asking about decent Indian food in NYC. My number one thing to do while in London is to eat a curry.

Yerac, Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:30 (two years ago) link

Best indian in the area is Hicksville Long Island, Edison and Iselin and Jersey City NJ, I think it follows a standard development as certain immigrant groups move out to the suburbs you have to follow to get the good stuff. That's why the best stuff in Queens now is Tibetan/Nepali, and there are literally hundreds of places.

dan selzer, Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:37 (two years ago) link

I was telling Virginia Plain that I feel bad that I have never had a momo.

Yerac, Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:42 (two years ago) link

they are delicious

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:46 (two years ago) link

I have a friend forced to move his family to either New York or London for work. He's lived in both places before, but London is leading on pretty much every front, from schools to cost of living (!) to commute to parks, benefits, etc.

The last time I was in New York, about a year ago, I never left Brooklyn and I guess never felt the need to. I used to be (years ago) half jealous of New York exclusivity, of the stuff they have and get that no one else has or gets, but I really think that's increasingly overblown. It's just so dense and such a media hub that its identity gets aggressively projected, but it's pretty rare these days that I kick myself for not being there, besides not seeing all my friends and stuff. Fortunately, it costs a bit over $100 to fly there, so: problem solved!

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:00 (two years ago) link

Yeah, I would say London too.

Yerac, Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:02 (two years ago) link

my secret conservative idea is that if you have all these cultural events and cool things there all the time you don't appreciate them. poor yokels who get one really good concert a month in their whole area, they appreciate that show

mh, Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:18 (two years ago) link

i think for people who aren't like the heroic ulysses, that is correct

also i am always so broke bc rent that i can't go to most of things that do look awesome to me (it's a shame that classical music is my staff of life and i live here and i can only go to free events)

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:24 (two years ago) link

Which is the irony. As my pal pointed out, no one lives in NY to save money, they live in NY to take advantage of all NY has to offer. Which costs money, which leaves you with no money and therefore unable to take advantage of all NY has to offer.

My theory was that cell phones broke New York. In a city where there are so many things happening in so many places at once, it just perpetuates this sense of ... aloofness? Maybe not that word. People constantly looking for something else to do as soon as they get to the first thing because they know there is something else going on and it's easy enough to get there. Vs. Los Angeles, which requires a certain commitment, due to travel times. Chicago is obviously a huge city with tons to do, but I don't get the same perpetual motion machine vibe.

Anyway, NY, I know lots of people who just don't go out, and of those that do, many seem to be always en route to or from something else.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:29 (two years ago) link

xp a large part of my job is to convince people to come see very good free and cheap entertainment and it's hard as hell to do! people are tired all the time.

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:29 (two years ago) link

But there's also a ton of competition! It's a vicious cycle. All I know is that I have friends who have the same job in NY that my wife does here, and they're done by 8 or 9 while my wife is heading home between 5 and 6 (at the latest)

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:38 (two years ago) link

People constantly looking for something else to do as soon as they get to the first thing because they know there is something else going on and it's easy enough to get there. Vs. Los Angeles, which requires a certain commitment, due to travel times.

For people who can't afford cabs, the disintegrating subways are making travel time a factor here too.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:43 (two years ago) link

my secret conservative idea is that if you have all these cultural events and cool things there all the time you don't appreciate them. poor yokels who get one really good concert a month in their whole area, they appreciate that show

Yes. It's always been this way. You can get bored and jaded, or you just think "eh I'll skip this lifechanging event because I can always go next time. When I used to go elsewhere it always blew me away how excited people were. I DJ'd a Making Time party in Philly and it was so huge and it was like THE event. Another time I came down to DC to DJ a Rapture show at the Black Cat and there were like 4 events going on there with all these different scenes but like, all the kids were out at that one venue that night. In New York it's easier to keep to your own little scenes because there's so much going on.

My theory was that cell phones broke New York. In a city where there are so many things happening in so many places at once, it just perpetuates this sense of ... aloofness? Maybe not that word. People constantly looking for something else to do as soon as they get to the first thing because they know there is something else going on and it's easy enough to get there.

Nah, this used to be worse pre-cellphone. Back when everything was still in manhattan you'd just go from bar to bar to club everyone hopped around. Now things are more spread out, you're less likely to hop from like PS1 to Nowadays or something. Though Uber/Lyft certainly works, esp for the trust funders.

dan selzer, Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:19 (two years ago) link

The internet does have the weird effect of letting you just parachute into any scene you want with no prior knowledge. Pre-internet I never would have found BNSC and been able to show up on a random saturday night as probably the oldest person there by 5-10 years. I still suspect people largely do stuff in the immediate neighborhoods around them though, bc cabs are expensive and the subway takes forever

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:33 (two years ago) link

is NYC that bike-friendly? seems like it'd be the best way to get around

marcos, Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:36 (two years ago) link

I don't know, I used to use Flyer magazine like that. Or even Time Out. Just look at the listings and go over to any event that seemed interesting. But I was fearless (and lonely) in my early 20s. I've never even been to Bossa Nova.

I do assume unless you can handle lyft, people aren't hitting as many spots as they used to, but usually two. When I've dj'd places in bushwick it used to be common that everybody would show up at like 2 am. So like the kids would go out in manhattan or some trendier fancier place but then go home and end up at Tandem.

dan selzer, Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:37 (two years ago) link

I'm trying to remember the pre-cell phone/internet era. I seem to recall always going out for specific reasons to specific places, often as a group, and if we went anywhere else it was as a group as well, perhaps meeting up with others. But the post-internet years, I get a real ships passing in the night feeling, of people popping in for a few then vanishing again, off to the next thing. But that could be because people are indeed staying closer to home, which makes popping in and out easier, or more convenient. Vs., say, borough-hopping.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:40 (two years ago) link

Chicago is obviously a huge city with tons to do, but I don't get the same perpetual motion machine vibe.

I was basically raised in and around Chicago and it remains my favorite city but I was just amazed the first time I went to NYC and felt the massiveness, and it was like this living thing. It's not larger geographically than Chicago but when you're driving up on it, just the entire scope of Manhattan and the boroughs is another level vs Chicago's more central energy that extends out, slowly lessening as you move outwards.

I don't think Chicago has less to do and I appreciate how it's easier to navigate, the beauty of the downtown, the food, the relative affordability....but otm about the perpetual motion machine thing.

omar little, Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:43 (two years ago) link

My year in NYC also saw me mostly confined to Manhattan and damn it's amazing how I felt that I was set, I could just stay there and hang out on that island forever and never even go to the other boroughs. I think I went to Brooklyn once tbh.

omar little, Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:45 (two years ago) link

Things were just so much closer when it was all about Manhattan, and that's something that's definitely lost. When everything shifted to Brooklyn, it was still much tighter around the Bedford L, but now like I said above, it's spread out.

maybe kids are rocking it like that in bushwick now, I'm just not a kid and I have a car.

But when I was in my 20s and the east village was still cool, and the meatpacking district was kicking in, I don't know, manhattan in the 70s/80s/90s/early 00s is probably hard to beat regarding the density. There were nights where I'd to to so many different places.

dan selzer, Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:46 (two years ago) link

sounds exhausting

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:52 (two years ago) link

is NYC that bike-friendly? seems like it'd be the best way to get around

it is BUT it's fucking cold as hell and dangerous and you are super likely to get your shit jacked if you leave it outside even locked up

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:00 (two years ago) link

but we got bike lanes! i have friends who bike interborough and swear by it. one's an ilxor!

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:00 (two years ago) link

i'd new york to get dockless bikeshare hehe

, Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:01 (two years ago) link

there was definitely sort of pre-gig, gig, party and afterparty and the farthest you'd need to go was like chelsea to LES

i remember when southpaw opened i was like whoa new paradigm

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:07 (two years ago) link

I hadn’t realized how bad the nyc subway decay was, reading about it here and elsewhere today. dang, that’d be a main reason to live there imo, not needing a car. I love not having to drive so much (haven’t had a car in four years bc it’d be nuts here). will never live in nyc but it’s really the only USA place you can live a full adult life without a car, or at least used to be

droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:22 (two years ago) link

Believe it or not, there are other places you can lead a full adult life without a car.

Jeff, Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:33 (two years ago) link

I don't know, I've never experienced a big city in the US that was a compatible with non-car living.

dan selzer, Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:35 (two years ago) link

I really like Samudra in Jax Hts for Indian, and I’m trying Boishaki in Astoria this weekend.

Virginia Plain, Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:35 (two years ago) link

I'm not sure if we went to Samudra when it first opened or if it was a different place, it was a bit of a revolving door for a while. Delhi Heights, though popular with the white people, actually has some really good dishes. Never heard of Boishaki, looks good. There's a place near me called Ruma's that's was surprisingly good bengali...surprisingly because it's always empty and when we went the woman seemed really confused that we wanted food. But it seems popular.

Whoah Boishakhi's photos on yelp look amazing.

dan selzer, Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:50 (two years ago) link

We kinda stick with seamless too much these days, not easy to get out esp for dinner, with an 11 mo old. But Opal loves Momos. Have you been to Dawas in woodside? Kinda new american hipster stuff on one side from chef, other side sort of refined but still super tasty himalyan stuff from her chef father. No fusion, but both sides are great.

dan selzer, Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:51 (two years ago) link

the brooklynization of the world + the internet is what i meant when i say new york isn't so much dying as meeting a lot of less interesting places half way.

it wasn't my experience that travel times for either day to day living and getting things out of the city are that much larger in LA than in new york.

like anywhere you get most things in a 15 minute radius. beyond that is a colossal pain in new york as much as LA, at least for me. yeah, it can take 90 minutes to get from where i live to ... venice or something. but i go to venice about as often as i went to fort tryon when i lived in brooklyn (also 90 minutes).

buried lede for me though: we decided to move the LA like the week we found out a baby was on the way. obviously people manage it, but the sheer logistics of a baby in new york were terrifying to us.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 8 February 2018 22:06 (two years ago) link

mustang is my spot for nepali

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 8 February 2018 22:07 (two years ago) link

baby isn't much of a problem for us, but it takes me 40 minutes to an hour to get from queens to flatiron for work and that's some MTA subway bullshit.

mustang is great. Have you been to Woodside Cafe on bway and 65th? They have this thing called Chatamari which I've never seen anywhere else that I'm obsessed with. Some kind of rice crepe with ground chicken and black-eyed peas cooked into it and an egg broken on top usually cooked hard and then a goat curry covering it all.

dan selzer, Thursday, 8 February 2018 22:16 (two years ago) link

Ive been a non-car-owning adult in Seattle for over 5 years now! And we barely have any trains at all.

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Thursday, 8 February 2018 22:35 (two years ago) link

I also didn't own a car when I last lived in Northampton MA tbh but I was unemployed

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Thursday, 8 February 2018 22:36 (two years ago) link

You don't need a car if there's nowhere you want to go, is the thing.

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Thursday, 8 February 2018 22:36 (two years ago) link

(nearly) all my Indian meals come from Kinara in Pk Slope

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 February 2018 22:39 (two years ago) link

Re: Los Angeles, the big difference is there are things you really *want* to do, reasons people move to LA for in the first place, like the ocean (or yeah, Venice, Santa Monica, Malibu, etc.), the mountains and the desert, that take a long time to get to, and only by car, and typically in traffic. Vs. something like Fort Tryon, which I just had to google (looks neat!).

Amazingly, I know an increasing number of people in NY (mostly Brooklyn and Queens) with kids. I have no idea how they do it. Kids without a car seems really hard to me.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 February 2018 22:41 (two years ago) link

I have a car shhhhhh

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 8 February 2018 22:43 (two years ago) link

when i see 2 to 3 family members teaming up to hump a military grade stroller sideways down the subway stairs, as a queue of blocked impatient randos accumulates upstream of them, I just think no X 1000

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 8 February 2018 22:58 (two years ago) link

lived in NYC for 28 years: '89 to 2012 in the EV, and since then in Ditmas park/ Kensington (Morbius said at some point that he lives nearby). While living there in the 2000s, I began to hate Manhattan so much that going to visit girlfriends and most of my friends in Slope area was incredibly refreshing, And now living past the Slope and on the bleeding edge after which beards and warby Parkers are unheard of is so different from my life in the EV that it seems like I have moved very far away.

I never thought I wanted to have a baby here and would move before then. But my wife's job is good, so we stayed when my daughter was born last december. We had a car because I thought we would need it and from this part of brooklyn to coney island, everyone has a car and can easily deal with it.

Then this past October, said car caught fire with me and the baby inside on the BQE right before the Kiucsyncki (however the fuck you spell it) Bridge and soon totally immolated. a subaru, safest car on the market. It's really something to walk around on the breakdown lane of the BQE, cradling your infant daughter while other motorists scream curses at you. Well before that, I had long thought that an area where NYC still has a so-called edge of dickishness is with drivers and driving.

veronica moser, Thursday, 8 February 2018 23:02 (two years ago) link

Xpost: men with beards in Borough park and Midwood are of a different stripe than what I refer to above

veronica moser, Thursday, 8 February 2018 23:04 (two years ago) link

veronica, i'm kensington; where at?

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 9 February 2018 00:11 (two years ago) link

oh wait, we've done this i think

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 9 February 2018 00:11 (two years ago) link

Man I am sorry about that automotive ordeal that sounds fucking awful and scary

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Friday, 9 February 2018 00:17 (two years ago) link

fwiw the oceans (or the beach towns) are not something i particularly want to go to. they're certainly not why i moved to LA they're just not a part of life for me in LA (or most of my acquaintances), in the same way that the beach (or tbh, manhattan) wasn't for me in new york. i go to them when i have visitors, in the same way i went to midtown when i had visitors in new york. if you've moved to LA for the ocean (or a job in santa monica or whatever), you live near the ocean.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 9 February 2018 00:32 (two years ago) link

The internet does have the weird effect of letting you just parachute into any scene you want with no prior knowledge. Pre-internet I never would have found BNSC and been able to show up on a random saturday night as probably the oldest person there by 5-10 years. I still suspect people largely do stuff in the immediate neighborhoods around them though, bc cabs are expensive and the subway takes forever

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, February 8, 2018 3:33 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fwiw the new trend in cool parties is to have 0 social media presence and spread only by word of mouth. in part a response to police busting afterhours spots & underground venues, in part response to this

flopson, Friday, 9 February 2018 00:40 (two years ago) link

People constantly looking for something else to do as soon as they get to the first thing because they know there is something else going on and it's easy enough to get there. Vs. Los Angeles, which requires a certain commitment, due to travel times.

i think this happens everywhere. or at least, it did in montreal. which is p dense so i guess yeah. a friend in my early twenties was infamous for a zeligish ability to be at every part in the city every night, pronouncing each of them 'dead' within minutes of arrival

flopson, Friday, 9 February 2018 00:46 (two years ago) link

oh god I both understand that because the ability to hop around until you find something that is great is justifiable when you can do it

but some people just do that every time, like a night out means just rotating to a new location every X minutes until bar close

mh, Friday, 9 February 2018 02:08 (two years ago) link

And now living past the Slope and on the bleeding edge after which beards and warby Parkers are unheard of is so different from my life in the EV that it seems like I have moved very far away.

This very much describes where I live. The only vintage clothing I see in my neighborhood is worn by central asian jews without any fashion intent.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 9 February 2018 03:52 (two years ago) link

I mean not literally, but there is maybe like 1 remotely hipstery or trendy person for every 50 of those.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 9 February 2018 03:52 (two years ago) link

kensington is newly hipster infiltrated and i'm aware i'm part of the problem but it's mostly families of the type that can't afford park slope or who have been here for a long time or (more commonly) folks who own. living across the street from a school, between a graveyard and park, just far enough away from the main drags where nobody much drives through and on a block where all the businesses close at ten is a tremendous blessing.

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 9 February 2018 04:02 (two years ago) link

Since this is the most active New York thread I'll just ask here...

A bit hard to describe what I'm looking for. Recommendations for calm-ish bars or venues playing good music at non-deafening levels. The kinds of places where you could sit and drink and read or write at the end of a day of traipsing around the city. Places playing ambient, drones, minimal techno, minimal anything really.

I know about Nowadays in Queens which looks promising.

Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Friday, 9 February 2018 08:46 (two years ago) link

seattle was quite walkable but not as much as NYC. NYC not a patch on basically any european/UK city tho obv

||||||||, Saturday, 10 February 2018 14:12 (two years ago) link

I can't with Nowadays. It's outdoors, right? You pay money to get inside the fence and then sit outside and then you pay money for the food and drinks? Edited to add: I guess they have an indoors now.

Anyway. Biking is so great in New York if you're not spread out over the entire city! Like between the LES and North Brooklyn, or getting around within a few miles' span. Not as much when you're in, say, Gowanus, and talking about going to the city at 1am, like some fashionable people I overheard last weekend on the sidewalk. I have so many great memories of riding between Crown Heights and Wburg over the years, mostly to meet ilxors tbh.

Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Saturday, 10 February 2018 15:28 (two years ago) link

Then I got a scooter and basically stopped biking. I miss it sometimes but the scooter life is so amazing. You can get places not-sweaty!

Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Saturday, 10 February 2018 15:31 (two years ago) link

i wanna get an e-bike except dickhead de blasio is intent on outlawing them for some reason

, Saturday, 10 February 2018 15:53 (two years ago) link

Nowadays has an indoors and a full soundsystem and kitchen and everything.

dan selzer, Saturday, 10 February 2018 16:01 (two years ago) link

(of course I haven't been though)

dan selzer, Saturday, 10 February 2018 16:01 (two years ago) link

There was no cover when I was there.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Saturday, 10 February 2018 16:09 (two years ago) link

e-bikes are being subsidized this year by my city, up to 600 euros! but the new docked bikeshare bikes (as opposed to all the new non-docked bikeshare bikes all over the place like gobee & ofo, which interest me too) are e-bikes so that might suffice for me. at least for side-ish streets, I'm not gonna bike on well-trafficked streets here, because they're pretty narrow yet people find ways to fit multiple lanes of traffic.

droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 10 February 2018 16:31 (two years ago) link

ofo needs its own thread. I think they might be the locusts the bible refers to in revelation

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Saturday, 10 February 2018 16:36 (two years ago) link

Nowadays is very nice imo and feels hip without being vibey or exclusionary at all. I haven’t been since they added the indoors though, apparently.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Saturday, 10 February 2018 17:14 (two years ago) link

You don't need a car if there's nowhere you want to go, is the thing.

^^^ gets it

j., Saturday, 10 February 2018 17:39 (two years ago) link

Relevant to this thread.

grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 10 February 2018 19:41 (two years ago) link

Also relevant, I hope:
Redd's Roster of Restaurants of the Old Weird New York

Psmith, Pharmacist (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 10 February 2018 19:43 (two years ago) link

No blight is as depressing as rent blight :(

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Saturday, 10 February 2018 21:11 (two years ago) link

belatedly: the subways may be hell but so far the buses are not, at least not in my area

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Sunday, 11 February 2018 02:14 (two years ago) link

visiting nyc last year I was able to walk or hit up the subways for everything I wanted to do, mostly work in midtown manhattan but stayed in the east village for a bit and travelled to brooklyn for a show. the subway system routes were ok but the state of them made me sad, as if the system was there for what I wanted but my needs were scorned

mh, Sunday, 11 February 2018 02:19 (two years ago) link

the bus system is not in freefall but it is in real trouble - ridership is in decline despite population growth, and mostly people seem to be chalking it up to the unreliability of service, which in turn is largely due to the difficulty of implementing any major changes which would actually fix things, like truly dedicated bus lanes and signal prioritization. anecdotally I've had a ton of issues in the last six months to a year with late and bunched buses.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 11 February 2018 03:34 (two years ago) link

to compare again, the extent to which London public transport is great is basically the extent to which its buses are great. dedicated bus/bike/taxi lanes on most big roads, the congestion charge obv. relatively nice vehicles. you rarely need to wait more than 6 or 7 minutes. it doesn't feel low-rent to take a bus, it feels normal

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 11 February 2018 11:23 (two years ago) link

The Paris bus system is also very good, matching what you said about London’s. I take it as often as I can over the metro because I’m lazy about stairs; this is why its ridership leans older than the metro’s.

droit au butt (Euler), Sunday, 11 February 2018 14:32 (two years ago) link

I mean, I've never taken the bus during morning rush hour because it already takes long enough to get to work via the subway, but I take the M4 and M5 all the time coming home and compared to the 1 they're both absolutely delightful

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Monday, 12 February 2018 00:46 (two years ago) link

Xpost that is the other thing for us. K cannot drive so moving to any other city equals in her mind, perhaps correctly, isolation and loss of independence.

― Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Thursday, February 8, 2018 4:37 AM (four days ago)

Jon I don't know how long you've been with your partner or where she's lived but you used to be in Seattle! you can walk almost anywhere, or catch a bus to where you can walk to the other bits. the tram has opened up a few neighbourhoods but will take another decade and drivers aging out of the population (so that funding can go back to transit) to be as transformative as it should be already.

I doubt any city in the world could beat NYC for film.

Haribo Hancock (sic), Monday, 12 February 2018 08:14 (two years ago) link

We’ve been together 14 years, so no, not stretching back to my Seattle days. But you make a good point. Manageable size, good transit, car not needed, pre-built friend pool due to comics scene. Is it much cheaper than nyc/sf these days though?

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 15 February 2018 16:28 (two years ago) link

Rent has been climbing like wild for years but the trend may be finally leveling off. Unlike San Francisco there are actually new apartment buildings being built, though we still haven’t got the political will to start bulldozing single family homes.

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Thursday, 15 February 2018 16:39 (two years ago) link

Doesn’t Seattle have more working cranes on high rise construction sites than any city in the us?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 15 February 2018 17:38 (two years ago) link

*Flintstones voice* eh, it's a living

Number None, Thursday, 15 February 2018 18:24 (two years ago) link

When a man is tired of London etc.

Moo Vaughn, Monday, 26 February 2018 20:09 (two years ago) link

four months pass...

A little bit of apocalypse that doesn't involve the subway, for once

http://gothamist.com/2018/07/19/exploded_steam_pipe_asbestos.php

Exhibit C: there is LITERALLY a man on a @CitiBikeNYC commuting to work out of a plume of steam in this video https://t.co/eCLCizPdXC

— Rebecca (@RebeccaEgler) July 19, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 July 2018 20:15 (one year ago) link

All,

Further update:

Please advise your employees to steer clear of the area on 5th Avenue between 19th St and 22nd St. due to environmental concerns related to the material that was dispersed from the explosion. Office of Emergency Management is currently involved in the cleanup and environmental testing to ensure there is no additional danger.

Thank you,

Anthony

dan selzer, Thursday, 19 July 2018 23:59 (one year ago) link

nine months pass...

https://www.villagespoke.com/2019/05/03/a-city-for-the-rich-built-poorly-the-construction-of-hudson-yards/

http://i0.wp.com/www.villagespoke.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/4.29.19_HYardsBroken7.jpg

You get the distinct sense that you’re walking through a computer rendering rather than a real place. Aesthetic is prioritized over function everywhere you go. It’s easy to get the feeling that the faceplates of brand-new signs popping off their fixtures were simply pixel-off details unnoticeable in a 100:1 scale virtual world.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 10 May 2019 15:24 (one year ago) link

Considering the scope, ambition, and execution of this project as a whole, pointing out an "overextended saw cut" in the ground seems ridiculous

calstars, Friday, 10 May 2019 15:32 (one year ago) link

https://thebaffler.com/latest/fuck-the-vessel-wagner

Trϵϵship, Friday, 10 May 2019 15:36 (one year ago) link

From some points on the Jersey side, the view of the Empire State Building is totally blocked by Hudson Yards

Trϵϵship, Friday, 10 May 2019 15:37 (one year ago) link

In so many ways New York is a great city that has embodied what is best about America, particularly multiculturalism and innovation. (Never perfectly, of course). It’s where many generations of my family grew up, and most of them are buried out in Green-Wood Cemetery. However, the city also kind of sucks and is dumb now.

Trϵϵship, Friday, 10 May 2019 15:40 (one year ago) link

There is so much luxury housing development, all over the place.

Trϵϵship, Friday, 10 May 2019 15:43 (one year ago) link

despite President deBlasio's promises

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 May 2019 15:46 (one year ago) link

I feel like the point of the above articles is, if you're going to do seamless luxury, do it right (i.e. the beautifully alien Oculus). Which as a point is.. okay I guess. But maybe we could forget about seamless luxury altogether?

Anecdotally I walked past the Barclays Center a couple of months ago and was astonished at how jank-ass it looked

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 10 May 2019 15:48 (one year ago) link

i can't imagine going anywhere near hudson yards, but fuck the oculus

mookieproof, Friday, 10 May 2019 15:51 (one year ago) link

i even wrote an article once about how stupid the oculus was

Trϵϵship, Friday, 10 May 2019 15:51 (one year ago) link

It's oppressive even to walk from the subway to the PATH there

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 May 2019 15:53 (one year ago) link

I hate the way that thing is wedged in there, w evidently zero regard for any of the space around it

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 10 May 2019 15:57 (one year ago) link

i kind of like the barclays center though

Trϵϵship, Friday, 10 May 2019 15:58 (one year ago) link

xps

Trϵϵship, Friday, 10 May 2019 15:58 (one year ago) link

and yeah, like, "a bird in flight" makes no sense as a concept for a building hemmed in by skyscrapers. calatrava's buildings look nice on a waterfront. but this looks like a trapped bird, or else some kind of unidentifiable carcass that has been picked apart by vultures... which maybe is a good visual metaphor for wall street

Trϵϵship, Friday, 10 May 2019 15:59 (one year ago) link

spent some time in hudson yards a few weeks ago. It is not good. It's suffocating and claustrophobic and mostly ugly. People were confused about how to get to things. Pro tip though, I walked into the rear entrance of The Shed and found my way to very clean public bathrooms which as any New Yorker knows, is very valuable knowledge.

dan selzer, Friday, 10 May 2019 16:02 (one year ago) link

parts of NYC might not be so impressive these days, but tbh 99% of the rest of the country is the same fucking corner with a gas station + fast food restaurant + abandoned strip mall, on every other intersection, every highway ramp exit, everywhere, the fucking worst and least aesthetic combination of buildings, monotonous and interchangeable. so even a shitty set of stairs that hurts people seems impressive and potentially groundbreaking

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:03 (one year ago) link

A while ago, I was offered a job as Calatrava's personal assistant. I recall the pay as being $32k. I remember telling all my architect friends and they were a little horrified about how little he was offering considering... He had a very nice dog though.

Yerac, Friday, 10 May 2019 16:03 (one year ago) link

treesh otm

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:07 (one year ago) link

That’s interesting. I used to write about architecture as a freelancer, and the website I wrote for had a run-in with calatrava. I forget the details, but he doesn’t like criticism apparently

Trϵϵship, Friday, 10 May 2019 16:08 (one year ago) link

many xps to calstars: if you think pointing out poor paving is petty, check that full article. the point is that the structure just opened and already the shoddy, non-union construction is showing serious wear and poor consideration. hudson yards was supposed to be the hermetic future and it's suffering near instantaneous mcmansion breakdown.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:09 (one year ago) link

also xps to dan: https://www.charmin.com/en-us/about-us/sitorsquat

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:10 (one year ago) link

I think it’s annoying that it’s the final stop on the high line, because the high line is actually really cool. I love the newish whitney too

Trϵϵship, Friday, 10 May 2019 16:12 (one year ago) link

yeah the whitney is great

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:14 (one year ago) link

here's the problem with the highline in a nutshell:
http://gothamist.com/attachments/arts_jen/agora-43.jpg

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:15 (one year ago) link

Sometimes it’s like that but not always. It feels legitimately like public space though to me—not like I’m loitering in a corporate plaza

Trϵϵship, Friday, 10 May 2019 16:16 (one year ago) link

i'm prickly about public land issues and park space in particular and i'm glad that highline exists but c'est ne pas une parc

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:17 (one year ago) link

it's more like an amenity

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:17 (one year ago) link

i like the new whitney too, though i haven't had any luck catching anything good there.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:17 (one year ago) link

There is just too many people everywhere, all the time. I thought once about going to the Queens Night Market once when it opened but then saw that it's always a mob.

Yerac, Friday, 10 May 2019 16:18 (one year ago) link

it's easy for the crowding in the city to color everything and leave you jaded and cranky... though i bitch about it when it's in full swing, going to smorgasburg at the start of the season during a light rainstorm two weeks ago was great fun! not so much in mid july.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:21 (one year ago) link

Give the night market another shot xp. It's not always a mob, especially if you wait for the excitement to die down after opening. Going early is always good too -- I think they start at 6pm. I say this as a person who hates crowds -- the ones at the night market are pretty manageable by NYC standards.

You can also try going in the fall as it's sort of under the radar that it closes and then reopens in fall for a few more weeks.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:21 (one year ago) link

That said, I fucking HATE most of manhattan. I no longer work there and love not working there.

I just visited the Hudson Yards area because a relative won an affordable apartment lottery there -- the whole thing was a dystopian nightmare.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:22 (one year ago) link

Smorgasburg is comically crowded in the summer

Trϵϵship, Friday, 10 May 2019 16:23 (one year ago) link

Even when it’s 195 degrees people are queuing for hot food

Trϵϵship, Friday, 10 May 2019 16:23 (one year ago) link

people pollution, incidentally, iswhy i prize greenwood cemetery so much. you can go out there in the heart of a metropolis on a June weekend at 75 degrees and walk for an hour and see maybe fifteen (live) people... that's changing too though!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:23 (one year ago) link

i jog around prospect park and, at one point, had made the smorg grounds an irregular part of my route. there was a point last year where you literally could not jog within a football field length of the grounds; ridiculously overrun with drunk kids taking photos of their arepas

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:25 (one year ago) link

Prospect park has some semi-quiet spots

Trϵϵship, Friday, 10 May 2019 16:25 (one year ago) link

I used to have a couple of spaced out spots all over manhattan that I would hang out because I had to frequently kill an hour or two during the day during work and all those places have been completely overrun by "where did all these people come from?"

I gave up on smorgasburg pretty early on in its history. I couldn't get over spending $15 to eat streetfood while standing in a parking lot.

Yerac, Friday, 10 May 2019 16:25 (one year ago) link

Astoria Park is a spot that I feel like is really beautiful and accessible and not insanely crowded IME, plus close to good food.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:25 (one year ago) link

mods please redact that post

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:26 (one year ago) link

anyone know what's going on with the street construction in the meatpacking district? it's been going on, constantly, for maybe a year now i think, and nothing ever seems to be completed -- more and more lanes are closed and torn up all the time. (i don't care about the lanes, just tired of the honking as i walk through.)

i assume it has something to do with google buying the entire area, but i don't understand why it just keeps going

mookieproof, Friday, 10 May 2019 16:26 (one year ago) link

I hate smorgasburg. The Night Market feels to me like the anti-Smorgasburg. The food is much less gimmicky and more varied as well as more reasonably priced, and the crowd is also less gimmicky and more varied.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:27 (one year ago) link

xpost every time I go to Astoria Park, I think "what a weird fucking place." I say that in a good way.

Yerac, Friday, 10 May 2019 16:27 (one year ago) link

I just visited the Hudson Yards area because a relative won an affordable apartment lottery there

not gonna lie, i'm desperate enough to envy that

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:27 (one year ago) link

there's LOTS of quiet spots in Prospect! But I love the park deeply, even the batshit spots.... drummer's circle and LeFrak and the Audubon Center are routinely mobbed and that's part of the fun. Luckily it doesn't take much work to find some solace nearby.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:28 (one year ago) link

Also, as someone who would happily move out of the city, I feel like the secret to staying sane here is just to avoid the hype. Whatever the latest restaurant to get big-upped in Eater or receive a new Michelin star or whatever is, there are dozens of equally good restaurants that maybe haven't gotten the hype since five years ago (or never) and the crowds have died down. People in this city line up to line up. They do things so they can say they did them. The city is so vast that it's always possible to find some out-of-the-way slice of goodness and peacefulness that isn't overrun. Our equivalent to prospect park -- Forest Park -- is practically empty. Almost too much so. It's a little run down but it's a very nice large urban park that even has hiking trails.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:30 (one year ago) link

i love the Highline in the winter

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:31 (one year ago) link

Yeah, warm weather spots on a cold day are a great example. We went to Coney Island in early spring when it was windy and 55 degrees and had a great time.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:32 (one year ago) link

Governors Island has yet to get out of control as of last year; good place to go and explore and chill on a thursday.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:34 (one year ago) link

tbrr, you can find totally quiet spots in Central Park without much effort.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:34 (one year ago) link

You have to go pretty high ime

Trϵϵship, Friday, 10 May 2019 16:35 (one year ago) link

But central park is incredible. Just the fact of it

Trϵϵship, Friday, 10 May 2019 16:36 (one year ago) link

yes i still enjoy chillin there all the time

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:36 (one year ago) link

i love central park altered and au naturale; going for a reason or just wandering around

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:41 (one year ago) link

re: queens night market, went the first night and it was terribly organized and a huge mess but went back later and it was fine. Totally reasonable and not at all smorgasborg'd out.

There's a little LIC Flea that has a few stands and isn't crowded and can be pleasant.

dan selzer, Friday, 10 May 2019 16:47 (one year ago) link

WPLJ, a pop/rock/Top 40 hits station since 1971, is going off the air at the end of May and is being replaced by a Christian contemporary station. Not a gospel or religious station, but a Christian rock station. NYC is dead if it's seen as a place that can support Christian rock radio.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:49 (one year ago) link

i live right next to astoria park! it extremely rules!!!!

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:59 (one year ago) link

for the most part astoria has changed v slowly which is why i still live there. can feel a shift coming regardless

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 10 May 2019 17:01 (one year ago) link

my place is just a tad too far to make it super convenient to go there all the time but when I do go there I love it.

Yerac, Friday, 10 May 2019 17:01 (one year ago) link

kensington is being annexed slowly by park slope parents but i'm part of the problem i suppose

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 10 May 2019 17:02 (one year ago) link

I hope they never Mccarren Park-condo it out but I feel like it's going to happen.

Yerac, Friday, 10 May 2019 17:02 (one year ago) link

parts of NYC might not be so impressive these days, but tbh 99% of the rest of the country is the same fucking corner with a gas station + fast food restaurant + abandoned strip mall, on every other intersection, every highway ramp exit, everywhere, the fucking worst and least aesthetic combination of buildings, monotonous and interchangeable.

"This place is the worst" / "This place is better than all other places"

being a NYer is the ability to hold these two thoughts simultaneously, ime

One Eye Open, Friday, 10 May 2019 17:02 (one year ago) link

new york sucks ass and i long to move to philly but as long as my band and job are here i'm here

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 10 May 2019 17:03 (one year ago) link

but i do still love astoria for real

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 10 May 2019 17:04 (one year ago) link

I must admit, having first visited NYC as a teenager and gone regularly through my 20s and 30s, I felt a palpable lack of magic when I was there a couple months ago. It didn't feel like the city had "died" so much as it felt so extremely ordinary, that there was nothing particularly anything about it. A functioning city filled with music and art and stores and so on... the equivalent of a big box of urbanity. Even as the sun set on London and Paris and Los Angeles and they became less interesting, they never lost their particular identity the way that it felt NYC was completely stripped of it. (San Francisco feels unmagical to me also, but it never ever really felt magical to me. It's just the freezing cold city where restaurants don't let you make reservations so you have to wait 45 minutes every time you want to eat.)

It doesn't help that most of my friends have left or are leaving. Even the NYC lifers are packing up and going.

twink infinitives (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 10 May 2019 17:05 (one year ago) link

I almost moved to around Sunset Park because of those finnish co-op buildings around the park that are hopefully never going anywhere.

Yerac, Friday, 10 May 2019 17:06 (one year ago) link

I certainly can't afford Kensington anymore, especially while underemployed, but looking for a cheaper place than I have now is daunting. So here I sit waiting for oblivion.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 May 2019 17:10 (one year ago) link

if i'm ever forced to move (i've been in the same apt for 13 years) i'll probably just leave town

mookieproof, Friday, 10 May 2019 17:20 (one year ago) link

everyone otm except calstars. smdh at finding anything about hudson yards ambitious or exciting.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Friday, 10 May 2019 17:21 (one year ago) link

"This place is the worst" / "This place is better than all other places"
being a NYer is the ability to hold these two thoughts simultaneously, ime

more like "this place is the worst EXCEPT for all other places"

Morbs, I feel you. I assume you're on ninety lists and trying to find any program that works.this is maybe a good thread to discuss what you're finding in that process and for anyone who knows the inner workings of the city housing world to chime in?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 10 May 2019 18:35 (one year ago) link

remains fun to visit, wouldn't particularly care to live there.

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Friday, 10 May 2019 18:36 (one year ago) link

ulysses, apparently I've never told you I'm lazy? I saw a couple eligibility criteria and threw in the towel.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 May 2019 19:06 (one year ago) link

I've never been to the High Line and I feel like it's too late now--I regret not having gone like 15 years ago. But I'm low-key obsessed with the head garden designer, Piet Oudolf, in the sense that I'm loosely basing my gardening plans for this year on his hallmark style.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Friday, 10 May 2019 19:27 (one year ago) link

I've only been once. It was fine. It was fine for walking higher up than you normally would? I remember it seeming dark.

Yerac, Friday, 10 May 2019 19:34 (one year ago) link

the high line on particularly empty days is a fun diversion. sometimes i get ice cream and chill out

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 10 May 2019 19:36 (one year ago) link

i don't exactly love it but it's WAY better-designed than it could have been - lot of subtle variety built in so that it feels different at block 15 than at block 10 and block 5.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Friday, 10 May 2019 19:48 (one year ago) link

also appreciate all of diller & scofidio's little arty things trying to remind you of the artificiality of 'city views' and even of the 'nature' being put on display. there's ideas there. any other city you're just going to get a bunch of pavers, some plants and novelty benches.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Friday, 10 May 2019 19:48 (one year ago) link

I like the high line but I find it more frustrating when crowded than other city walks just because nobody's really "doing anything"...if the whole point s a cool place to stroll—and not shopping or going A to B or whatever—then being hemmed in w/ tourists is especially :-/

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 10 May 2019 20:40 (one year ago) link

wow i'm surprised at the hate for the Oculus! I mean, I hate Westfield, and they chose terrible shops to go inside it - upscale fast-casual but completely anonymous - but the space itself, and the elaboration of it back inside the mall - i was completely blown away. it's both alien and totally familiar. the latter in that it's explicitly retro on two levels: the slanting ribs of the Oculus which pretty much have to be a direct quote of the famous shafts of light that used to fall in Grand Central before the buildings on either side blocked it out; and a globular 70s Kubrickian modernism. the alienness in just the sleek, slightly non-human vibe going on - those weird benches in the center that look like they might not be designed for people's actual asses to sit in; the Giger-esqueness of the "ribs". i felt like i might have to become something other than human to feel welcomed by it - which is a feeling i kinda like?!

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 10 May 2019 20:58 (one year ago) link

I have no gripe w the design, independent of context it's super cool! I just don't get the logic relative to the surrounding buildings

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 10 May 2019 21:11 (one year ago) link

oh yeah. well, all those buildings down there look like they were just sort of pushed around a chess board and left there.

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 10 May 2019 21:23 (one year ago) link

i don't hate the interior space, but yeah the exterior is completely out of context. you have to go too far to make various transit connections, but there's not a lot they could have done about that. mostly i resent that it's just a nice mall that you *have* to walk through and that it cost $4 billion

tbf it's not as bad as penn station

mookieproof, Friday, 10 May 2019 21:24 (one year ago) link

morbs, you gotta fight for life up in this dumb motherfucking city! keep hunting!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 10 May 2019 21:37 (one year ago) link

also mookie otm

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 10 May 2019 21:39 (one year ago) link

the slanting ribs of the Oculus which pretty much have to be a direct quote of the famous shafts of light that used to fall in Grand Central before the buildings on either side blocked it out

I like that idea but I don’t think it was intentional, given the architect.

Trϵϵship, Friday, 10 May 2019 21:40 (one year ago) link

Also for some reason Manhattan doesn’t feel like the right environment to encounter an “alien” or Kubrickian structure. I have to meditate on why I feel that way.

Trϵϵship, Friday, 10 May 2019 21:41 (one year ago) link

mostly because i gotta get to fucking work!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 10 May 2019 21:43 (one year ago) link

it'd be cool if the atrium was either not a mall or was a totally functionless space adjacent to the mall, for just going and breathing and looking at the light. a secular church, idk. as it is, it feels so much like the mall that it is that the things that are special/fancy or potentially-breathatking fall into the background (for me) - just feels like i'm in a mall.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Friday, 10 May 2019 21:49 (one year ago) link

the High Line is really nice early in the morning before it fills up with tourists

Dan S, Friday, 10 May 2019 21:52 (one year ago) link

agreed w Treeship, I really do like the building but it's a square peg, it flirts with overreach the conservative abeyance of which for better or worse made the city look and feel like the city

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 10 May 2019 21:54 (one year ago) link

it doesn't feel like "new york" but whatever that's a lost cause I guess

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 10 May 2019 21:55 (one year ago) link

it's not even a USEFUL mall, it's a fucking apple store and high fashion storefronts. no arcade! NO ARCADE!?!?!?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 10 May 2019 21:56 (one year ago) link

I don’t get why the mega powerful developers seem to think that New York needs more upscale malls. Doesn’t Hudson Yards have a mall too? Don’t they know that malls never did well in the city even when the rest of the country loved them?

o. nate, Friday, 10 May 2019 22:20 (one year ago) link

Does anyone who really lives in ny actually go to these malls to buy things? Or even to brick and mortar retail stores regularly? All this stuff is for tourists.

Yerac, Friday, 10 May 2019 22:21 (one year ago) link

Like, how many times a year does one really need to go to uniqlo (it's 2 for me). I guess maybe it's a cheap pastime for all the NYU students.

Yerac, Friday, 10 May 2019 22:24 (one year ago) link

"This place is the worst" / "This place is better than all other places"

being a NYer is the ability to hold these two thoughts simultaneously, ime

― One Eye Open

this kind of thinking is literally how certain forms of clinical depression work

Burt Bacharach's Bees (rushomancy), Saturday, 11 May 2019 00:16 (one year ago) link

I lived in NYC from '99-'11 in every borough save SI. Longest run was in Bushwick but my fondest memories are from the South Bronx in 2004. Got robbed by kids for groceries and accosted by cops thinking I was lost/buying drugs but it was super cheap (900/month for a 1200sf loft) and pretty convenient via the 4/5/6. My spot was 112th and Liberty (near Bruckner). I don't even want to look up what it's like now.

Yelploaf, Saturday, 11 May 2019 00:27 (one year ago) link

It's the repertory movie theaters and the restaurants that are keeping me here

Josefa, Saturday, 11 May 2019 01:13 (one year ago) link

Still Sh1tty, nothing to worry about

calstars, Saturday, 11 May 2019 01:29 (one year ago) link

I have fantasized about living in New York since college years ago, but every time I get down to the details it seems like too much and I lose interest. It's great to visit though

I love my goddaughter and her parents. They live in a fantastic apartment on one of the High Line blocks in West Chelsea, but it still feels kind of industrial to me - no trees and lots of galleries and storage businesses. My friends who have apartments on Sutton Place on the East River are living in the best version of NY imo

Dan S, Saturday, 11 May 2019 01:31 (one year ago) link

chose terrible shops to go inside it not including the Cole Haan shoe store who's interior signage and window displays are produced very well considering the extremely tight turnaround given no doubt due to an extremely capable team of production artists with excellent mechanical skills and print knowledge.

dan selzer, Saturday, 11 May 2019 04:29 (one year ago) link

I feel no need to kvetch about present-day NY anymore. I’m well through the several stages of grief. But the NY I started visiting in ‘75, age 11, and then throughout the late seventies into the eighties, was an indescribable metropolis beyond dreams. NY is definitely not dead now, far from it, but it’s certainly more prosaic, more commonplace, cleaner (in more ways than one), and tamer... not just a matter of degrees, but really a profound qualitative difference; a separate ontological plane dare I say.

never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Saturday, 11 May 2019 05:08 (one year ago) link

lol dan

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 11 May 2019 09:03 (one year ago) link

Being real, if this was 1980 there is a zero percent chance I would live in Williamsburg and maybe a 10% chance I’d lcie in the city at all.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 11 May 2019 15:40 (one year ago) link

Which makes me part of the problem.

I felt Williamsburg was slightly more exciting when I’d visit in 2009/2010 but that could have just been youth.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 11 May 2019 15:41 (one year ago) link

I was apologizing for living in williamsburg back in 2003. I should've saved a lot of them up.

Yerac, Saturday, 11 May 2019 15:46 (one year ago) link

I felt Williamsburg was slightly more exciting when I’d visit in 2009/2010 but that could have just been youth.

― Trϵϵship, Saturday, May 11, 2019 8:41 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nah it's practically unrecognizable from what it was then

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 May 2019 15:48 (one year ago) link

feels like an extension of manhattan now

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 May 2019 15:49 (one year ago) link

you don't have to go toooo far out of the bedford/driggs stop bubble to get back to something that looks not too different than it has for a long time.

dan selzer, Saturday, 11 May 2019 17:14 (one year ago) link

I live off grand

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 11 May 2019 17:15 (one year ago) link

There are good bars around. I like greenpoint a lot too and its close—my brother lives over there

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 11 May 2019 17:15 (one year ago) link

you don't have to go toooo far out of the bedford/driggs stop bubble to get back to something that looks not too different than it has for a long time.

― dan selzer, Saturday, May 11, 2019 10:14 AM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is also true enough!

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 May 2019 17:26 (one year ago) link

i miss Domsey's :(

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 11 May 2019 18:05 (one year ago) link

i got mugged coming back from Galapagos

/90s

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 11 May 2019 18:06 (one year ago) link

an in-law lives in that Kushner building on Kent and there is no deeper pit in hell. apart from what they're planning to go right next to it, which looks literally like it belongs in Dubai. that building on Kent isn't even nice. yes there's a gym etc but the reception area, hallways, all the unavoidable PUBLIC SPACE of even a place like that has the same shitty lack of attention that typifies every other public place in New York. the corridors feel like JFK.

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 11 May 2019 18:18 (one year ago) link

Galapagos was cool

calstars, Saturday, 11 May 2019 18:21 (one year ago) link

Now I'm reminiscing about Williamsburg. Anyone remember Kokie's. That must now be an Amazon locker.

Yelploaf, Saturday, 11 May 2019 23:40 (one year ago) link

Still the Levee I think.

dan selzer, Sunday, 12 May 2019 00:30 (one year ago) link

Does anyone who really lives in ny actually go to these malls to buy things? Or even to brick and mortar retail stores regularly? All this stuff is for tourists.

I guess you're right. Time Warner Center is another one. I was there today. For all the local character of the place, you could be in LA or Dubai or anywhere. It's probably reassuring to the rich tourists who just want to have all the high-end shops collected in one convenient place.

o. nate, Sunday, 12 May 2019 01:50 (one year ago) link

I went to the Metropolitan Club in NY for dinner with friends a few weeks ago, after a lecture on Hoyle and a miniature book exhibition at The Grolier Club (a truly fantastic place). it was a very "old NY" experience, the rooms at both locations were incredibly evocative and the food was really good. I don't have any illusions about who would belong in places like this (not me), but I kept thinking I wouldn't have any experiences like these anywhere else in the world

Dan S, Sunday, 12 May 2019 02:19 (one year ago) link

One thing I learned when I briefly lived in New York is that the places in New York that, when I was a tourist, I rigorously avoided as being "for tourists only" are, in fact, filled with New Yorkers who were less uptight than I was.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 12 May 2019 02:20 (one year ago) link

i also miss galapagos. interviewed there once!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 12 May 2019 12:23 (one year ago) link

Lol Kokie’s. I’ve read about it.

Trϵϵship, Sunday, 12 May 2019 12:59 (one year ago) link

The Levee is, or was, functionally the same as Kokie's though Kokie's was clearer in its intent. They sold only the finest laxatives that helped one talk out of turn.

Yelploaf, Sunday, 12 May 2019 16:44 (one year ago) link

Having never lived in nyc proper but been a frequent visitor over the last 20 years, i've definitely noticed a change over the years in the way people I know there (older and younger, different walks of life) talk about the city and their relationship to it... a gradual transition from a sort of fun-cynical "this city is fucked up and everything is hard and all the good stuff is gone and i love it" to depressed-cynical "this city is fucked up and everything is hard and all the good stuff is gone and i wish more than anything that i could leave but i am stuck here".

Last time I was there it was almost surreal, everyone I spent time with, inevitably at some point they would circle around to the universal topic of how badly they wanted to leave, "we're thinking about in the next year or so", etc... wistfully telling stories of people they know who've left in the same way folks talk about survivors of risky operations: "she's doing FINE now, I just talked to her the other day and she says she's NEVER FELT BETTER, honestly!" Definitely some kind of slow psychic change that has not been super fun to observe from a distance.

One Eye Open, Sunday, 12 May 2019 17:15 (one year ago) link

Live in New York City once, but leave before it makes you hard
live in Northern California once, but leave before it makes you soft

nonsense upon stilts (Sanpaku), Sunday, 12 May 2019 18:27 (one year ago) link

Last time I went to NYC was 2005. Stayed with my sister who was on a business trip at some fancy hotel near Grand Central, visited friends in Astoria & Park Slope, saw Jonathan Richman play (!) somewhere in Williamsburg. W’burg felt measurably busier than when I was last there in 2002, but everything still seemed cool and New Yorky as a tourist might want to experience it. Has much changed since then?

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 12 May 2019 18:48 (one year ago) link

I worked on Bedford for about 3 years in the mid 2000s. You could still walk around normally to grab lunch, find quiet moments, there would be maybe a smattering of japanese street photographers. Now it's a throng of euro/asian tourists, recent transplants, a Chase, Whole Foods, Sephora, Apple Store all in a row. Oddly enough Sea and Earwax are still around.

Yerac, Sunday, 12 May 2019 19:56 (one year ago) link

I still have a velvet suit jacket I bought new off the rack at Domsey's. It's been a while.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Monday, 13 May 2019 14:26 (one year ago) link

they used to have racks of old tuxedo jackets, pants, etc! i was an idiot for not buying that stuff. oh wait, not an idiot just broke.

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 13 May 2019 14:54 (one year ago) link

It would be hard to convince me that NYC has not become a bland, (even more!) expensive and sad shadow of what it was even ten years ago.

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 13 May 2019 17:24 (one year ago) link

It’s been hit hard by the “death of retail”. Lots of empty storefronts in central-ish Manhattan neighborhoods. Perhaps more noticeable than in car-centric cities where the downtowns were hollowed out a long time ago.

o. nate, Monday, 13 May 2019 18:01 (one year ago) link

i got drunk and threw up in Max Fish. That was my first NYC experience in the 90's. Every subsequent visit has been tamer and less interesting.

akm, Monday, 13 May 2019 19:34 (one year ago) link

It’s been hit hard by the “death of retail”. Lots of empty storefronts in central-ish Manhattan neighborhoods. Perhaps more noticeable than in car-centric cities where the downtowns were hollowed out a long time ago.


I think manhattan has weathered this better than most places because it can support far more cafes, bars, restaurants.

iatee, Monday, 13 May 2019 19:45 (one year ago) link

and the packed subways are very efficient!

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 May 2019 19:59 (one year ago) link

i remember reading some article a couple of years ago that claimed Bleecker St mainly hosts "performative" retail now. that rents are so astronomical, only companies able to take on losses purely for the cachet of having an address on Bleecker can afford to open up a shopfront there.

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 13 May 2019 20:06 (one year ago) link

I was reading a thing too where most landlords jack the prices up so much now to inflate the property value so that they can take cash money out to invest elsewhere (if they can't land the uber corporate tenant of their dreams).

Yerac, Monday, 13 May 2019 20:20 (one year ago) link

i remember reading some article a couple of years ago that claimed Bleecker St mainly hosts "performative" retail now. that rents are so astronomical, only companies able to take on losses purely for the cachet of having an address on Bleecker can afford to open up a shopfront there.


this ran in december. the lede is about the founder of horrible new york society chronicler guest of a guest! god bless people with money i suppose

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/04/style/bleecker-street-storefronts.html

Gone are the big-name luxury labels like Marc Jacobs, Michael Kors and Ralph Lauren. The last of the bunch, Brunello Cucinelli, closed its doors in October. In their stead are young, digitally native brands, many of them run by women.

Aside from Lingua Franca and Bonberi, there is Hill House Home, Margaux, the Daily Edit, St. Frank, Huckberry, Naadam, Slightly Alabama and Buck Mason. They are a well-curated mix of small brands with big ideas, and beloved online customer bases, eager to experience them in real life.

This was exactly the thinking of Brookfield Properties, the real estate company behind Brookfield Place, the commercial complex in Lower Manhattan. Last April, after exorbitant rents and a dearth of shoppers had driven out most of the businesses along an expanse of Bleecker, Brookfield bought four retail properties with seven storefronts, and immediately set to work rethinking the landscape.

...

“Bad retail is dead,” said Ms. Diamond, whose business has grown fast since its introduction in 2016, buoyed by a new generation of shoppers.

Instagram has been especially important. “That’s basically where all the magic happens for us,” she said, noting that she conducts polls on Insta Stories before offering products like $88 white Turkish cotton towel sets debossed with the words “Soap” and “Water,” released last month.

maura, Monday, 13 May 2019 21:41 (one year ago) link

just tra lala dee fuckin la, apparently, is how it goes, for some people

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 13 May 2019 22:07 (one year ago) link

NYC is a vanity project.

Yerac, Monday, 13 May 2019 22:44 (one year ago) link

I think I'm moving to the Bronx!

chinavision!, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 00:12 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://1010wins.radio.com/articles/man-stabs-bus-14th-street

xp to "looks like the onion" and fucking mass transit and every other damn thing

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 7 June 2019 20:02 (eleven months ago) link

three weeks pass...

I was frightened when I went to Hudson Yards. It’s everything I came to New York to escape basically. It’s, like, a shopping mall. The whole thing is just like suburbia. In the middle of what used to be a great neighborhood for hookers. That to me is not progress, but I understand to most people it is. I’m not saying I don’t understand the other argument. It just doesn’t seem like New York to me.

https://www.vulture.com/2019/06/john-waters-in-conversation.html

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 1 July 2019 03:08 (eleven months ago) link

NYC not dead, love this story

http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2019/07/signs.jpg

A dispute between neighbors in Kew Gardens has become a real-life horror story — as a Queens man has decorated his yard with a Halloween-like monster mannequin that has left his next-door neighbors scared to enter their own home. “It’s gotten to the part where I can’t sleep. My daughter has nightmares about the mannequin. The whole thing is a nightmare,” said Jennifer Feldman, who is so upset at neighbor Shlomo Klopfer, she gone to the police over his yard display.

Feldman said the trouble on 147th Street began 11 months ago, when she asked him to remove a sign on his fence that read “Dead End” because it “creeped” out her then 6-year-old daughter. Klopfer, however, said he collects signs and he chose not to take it down. “I love signs, man. I collect signs,” Klopfer told the Post.

Things escalated from there. Feldman alleges that whenever she called 311 to make a complaint, Klopfer, 62, added more signs. She even went to the cops and talked to officers who deal with community relations. There are now more than a dozen signs that say “Private Property,” “No Trespassing,” and “Dead End” on a wrought iron fence separating the two 147th Street properties. There is also the gruesome-looking monster figure, featuring a blood-splattered t-shirt topped by a Halloween mask with stringy grey hair and blue bulging eyes.

http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2019/07/mannequin.jpg

Klopfer’s wife, Ilana, said the couple is angry that Feldman never asked for a face-to-face sit down to settle the issue before going to the cops. “You see a sign. Why won’t you come over and talk to your neighbor like a human being? You knock on the door. You ask nicely. ‘Is it possible to take the sign down?’ She never has,” she said.

For her part, Feldman says: “We just want peace. It’s not just us. He fought for decades with the woman next door. We would like an end to the harassment of our family.” Feldman said she even approached Klopfer’s rabbi in good faith to act as a mediator but things did not get better. Feldman also thinks her neighbor is harassing her because of her interfaith marriage, a charge that Klopfer denied. “The only thing I can think of is I’m Jewish. My daughter and I go to temple. My husband’s Christian. I can’t help that.”

Police can’t force Klopfer to take down the display, since it is on private property and not a criminal offense. Neighborhood Coordination Officers from the 108th Precinct are working with both parties to resolve the issue, the NYPD said. Klopfer is a chaplain who owns a landscaping company called “S&K Tree Service.”

A neighbor who lives down the street said he is to blame and that he generally has beef with a bunch of people. “Klopfer has been in disputes with two other people. I’ve never heard complaints about Feldman,” said the 39-year-old neighbor who requested anonymity. “I don’t know how it started. But it’s getting way out of hand. The evil eye, the scary Halloween thing and all the cameras. I think it’s going too far,” he continued.

https://nypost.com/2019/07/09/queens-neighbor-fight-becomes-real-life-horror-story/

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 20:28 (ten months ago) link

lmao

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 20:42 (ten months ago) link

contradiction here though:

Feldman said the trouble on 147th Street began 11 months ago, when she asked him to remove a sign on his fence that read “Dead End” because it “creeped” out her then 6-year-old daughter.

but

"You knock on the door. You ask nicely. ‘Is it possible to take the sign down?’ She never has."

🤔

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 20:43 (ten months ago) link

he just loves signs, man

mookieproof, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 20:43 (ten months ago) link

and hideous ghoulish lifesize dolls, it's a continuum

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 20:44 (ten months ago) link

“You got beef?” Is one of my favorite expressions and one which has been directed at me during a mugging years ago

calstars, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 20:55 (ten months ago) link

love that the monster is perched next to ye olde time telephone with 311 painted on, so petty

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 21:21 (ten months ago) link

like at some point you just have to give the guy credit and bake him a pie or something and call for a truce

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 21:23 (ten months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT4lDU-QLUY&feature=youtu.be

Evan, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:09 (ten months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT4lDU-QLUY&

Evan, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:11 (ten months ago) link

It's weird to watch video now of crowds of people out in public, walking around, with no one looking at or talking on a cell phone.

o. nate, Saturday, 13 July 2019 02:12 (ten months ago) link

heh, my thoughts exactly.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 13 July 2019 03:10 (ten months ago) link

to me every day I walk among the zombies is weird

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 13 July 2019 04:14 (ten months ago) link

you are legend

lumen (esby), Saturday, 13 July 2019 05:10 (ten months ago) link

tonight the UWS is dead

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 14 July 2019 00:59 (ten months ago) link

Living dead

Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 14 July 2019 01:04 (ten months ago) link

Glad i didnt go by midtown as planned!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 14 July 2019 04:41 (ten months ago) link

Yeah. At around 10:30 ran into a neighbor who had just returned home from his canceled Broadway gig.

Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 14 July 2019 04:46 (ten months ago) link

Ha, I was having an early dinner in the financial district. Jumped on the A to go to Penn and it only went one stop to Chambers. Transferred to the most packed 2 train I'd ever been on, which immediately became all local. Transferred after a few stops to a 1 train that was going so slow, we eventually just got out and walked. Minimal lighting and no AC at Penn was spooky.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Sunday, 14 July 2019 13:41 (ten months ago) link

people got stuck underground for hours! some real nightmare shit there on a hot july PM

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 14 July 2019 15:30 (ten months ago) link

Corey Johnson was all "THANK U GOD" cuz he got to play mayor on Twitter

(such a ho)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 14 July 2019 16:00 (ten months ago) link

one month passes...

https://vimeo.com/238073511
^pertinent

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 15 August 2019 19:51 (nine months ago) link

the midi cheese was really wearing on me but it was all worth it for “when people ask me what my block is like, I tell them one time they faked it for Syria.”

El Tomboto, Saturday, 17 August 2019 19:10 (nine months ago) link

he has a good deadpan humor but why does he act like he can't read

husserl gang (rip van wanko), Saturday, 17 August 2019 22:44 (nine months ago) link

one month passes...

I agree... WBAI has sucked for awhile

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 18:42 (seven months ago) link

yeah maybe but fuck's sake, they were one of the few remaining independent on the air

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 18:52 (seven months ago) link

they drove me away around the time Mike Feder disappeared

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 18:54 (seven months ago) link

oy this guy needs help
https://nypost.com/2019/10/10/bryant-park-pigeon-vampire-arrested-for-burglary/

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 11 October 2019 16:55 (seven months ago) link

Oh bless. A former ilxor took me there as a special treat when I first moved to NYC.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Friday, 11 October 2019 17:00 (seven months ago) link

worth it? never been.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 11 October 2019 17:03 (seven months ago) link

Hit or miss. Expensive as hell but some great treats. Pretzel croissant is crazy

dan selzer, Friday, 11 October 2019 17:18 (seven months ago) link

man this SUCKS
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/11/arts/music/wnyc-new-sounds-schaefer.html

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 14 October 2019 15:30 (seven months ago) link

Tomorrow and wed he’s presenting some crucial Reich live downtown.

dan selzer, Monday, 14 October 2019 15:33 (seven months ago) link

https://www.wolfgang-hite.com/#/xxxhy/

Wolfgang & Hite has designed a scaled set of architectural sex toys that reimagines each of the new buildings at the Hudson Yards as a unique dildo. The full set of custom molded silicon toys fits snugly into a scaled replica of the entire 28-acre development.

http://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5b0b5a92da02bc5060e23daa/1570065130031-ZJGCQW4L1E1Q69KAGQGI/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kHW84nQLtXXViE7bOG0Chf17gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0v9WOwiQCGwkcmCRwL6n_teKk0T8I9PL7KgkR-fr3EzP8e5eRsllMoGhj0zMTLJ4jg/190827_POSTERS.gif

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:33 (seven months ago) link

text gets better as it goes, nice

weird ilx but sb (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:37 (seven months ago) link

yeah, i liked "The design team warns that research is not conclusive as to whether or not the developer will own the rights to any sexy pictures taken with the Vessel Buttplug."

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:42 (seven months ago) link

The subway is a porno...

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 17 October 2019 16:14 (seven months ago) link

To challenge what critics have claimed "placeless" and "mindless materialism," the design team purposefully exaggerated cues in the architecture of Hudson Yards to make sensitive and stimulating forms for penetrative and external masturbation.

vg

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 17 October 2019 17:19 (seven months ago) link

Every day, it seems like New York City dies a little bit more https://t.co/FSK90ofPaq

— New York Magazine (@NYMag) October 21, 2019

mookieproof, Monday, 21 October 2019 20:04 (seven months ago) link

never forget
defend the indefensible: SBARRO

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 21 October 2019 20:13 (seven months ago) link

truly can't tell if that piece is tongue-in-cheek or not

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Monday, 21 October 2019 20:16 (seven months ago) link

tbf sbarro's IS new york pizza for a generation of thirtysomething city kids

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 21 October 2019 20:17 (seven months ago) link

to me it's I-95 rest area pizza

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Monday, 21 October 2019 20:17 (seven months ago) link

I think I ate some... 30 years ago

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 October 2019 20:21 (seven months ago) link

my old boss and I like terrible food so we got lunch there a couple of years ago because it is near our office. It was kind of pricey! I also made her take me to the Times Sq Olive Garden for one of my birthdays.

Yerac, Monday, 21 October 2019 20:24 (seven months ago) link

was gonna say at least tad’s is still around but
https://nypost.com/2019/10/09/tads-steaks-finally-closing-its-last-nyc-outpost/

mizzell, Monday, 21 October 2019 20:30 (seven months ago) link

did you guys know there are two chock full o nuts in nyc but they're both in fuckin' midwood?
https://www.chockfullonuts.com/cafe-locator/

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 21 October 2019 20:32 (seven months ago) link

Ulysses, did you make thay T✧✧@K✧✧.E✧✧ shirt?

☮ (peace, man), Monday, 21 October 2019 20:39 (seven months ago) link

naw, it's from the original thread

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 21 October 2019 20:44 (seven months ago) link

That thread reminds me of The Flashy Crawl on Biryani Carts, Convenience Stores, etc.

Now I have the Chock full o’ Nuts jingle in my head on repeat.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 October 2019 23:15 (seven months ago) link

Wolfen?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 15:04 (seven months ago) link

might as well be dead this weekend... don't get run over by the motorcade, skeletal runners!

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-trump-ufc-new-york-marathon-20191101-6etpd4daave6bephiz5zquknli-story.html

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 2 November 2019 22:32 (seven months ago) link

i would pay $500 american to watch trump run even a 5k

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 3 November 2019 16:19 (six months ago) link

Stayed at the TWA hotel last night (not dead, embalmed) and saw a motorcade heading down the van wyck while driving home this morning. Did I miss an opportunity for a roadblock protest?

dan selzer, Sunday, 3 November 2019 18:28 (six months ago) link

F you and your Marathon

June Pointer’s Valentine’s Day Secret Admirer Note Author (calstars), Sunday, 3 November 2019 18:49 (six months ago) link

Wolfen is one of those odd thriller-horror films from the early 1980s, along with Looker - which also stars Albert Finney - and Brainstorm that isn't very good and bored me when I saw it, but it feels years ahead of its time and has some great shots of 1970s New York:
https://images2.static-bluray.com/reviews/11940_16_large.jpg

They all feel as if they belong to the last gasp of downbeat brown-coloured 1970s sci-fi even though they were released in the new decade. I've never been to New York. It's one of those fantasy places that exists in films. The practical objection is that although transatlantic flights are £400 or so the only cheap hotels in New York appear to be hellholes because everybody wants to go there because it's New York.

Ashley Pomeroy, Sunday, 3 November 2019 22:03 (six months ago) link

How cheap is cheap. Might be able to find something one the outer boroughs that’s affordable and more interesting anyway.

dan selzer, Sunday, 3 November 2019 23:49 (six months ago) link

i don't think i linked this earlier but, speaking to Ashley's point, omg the NYC in the linked film below is just amazing
italian post-apocalyptic science fiction The Warriors pastiche set in the far flung future of 1990. jump to 3.20 for a great fight sequence and 7.22 for the best bridge/body/drum solo ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEqOnHclmh8

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 November 2019 02:03 (six months ago) link

been meaning to toss that on for ages... the sequel, "escape 2000," was a very good mst3k episode iirc.

weird ilx but sb (Doctor Casino), Monday, 4 November 2019 02:44 (six months ago) link

That was the episode with Toblerone! He was one of the resistance leaders. He overacted like mad, he was fantastic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXBEqMtOk5g

Unusually for that kind of Italian knock-off film it was apparently filmed in the actual Bronx.

You know, for years I assumed that Trading Places was set in New York. It has all the hallmarks. Snow, everybody wears greatcoats, the colour palette is grey, there are lots of posh stone buildings, most of the cast are elderly white people. But it was actually set in Philadelphia. Only the trading scenes at the end were in New York, specifically the WTC.

I mention it because I grew up in the 1980s, so I tend to associate the city with Wall Street, Ghostbusters, Working Girl and The Secret of My Success rather than the Bronx-is-burning films of the 1970s. In my mind it's a cold, hard, unsympathetic place rather than the loved-up hippie lovefest it probably is nowadays.

Ashley Pomeroy, Monday, 4 November 2019 21:58 (six months ago) link

my dim memory of Escape 2000 is that it's mostly filmed on Roosevelt Island which at the time had some great rubbley ruins and weedy fields with views of Manhattan in the background. maybe parts of Jersey for the same effect. but i could be wrong and anyway your overall point is correct - it's actually New York! they could have easily picked some run-down part of Italy (thinking of Warrior of the Lost World using under-construction Corviale and other suburban-Rome locations for a post-apocalyptic future), or of America (like East St. Louis in Escape From New York).

all time best for that kind of thing has to be Rumble in the Bronx which just says fuck it and immediately shows you skyline views of Vancouver, complete with mountains in the background. i almost think the title might be on the screen for some of that. beautiful."

weird ilx but sb (Doctor Casino), Monday, 4 November 2019 22:06 (six months ago) link

I saw Wolfen at BAM the other night for the first time in 38 years. Thought it was a good film both times! Biggest scare is the scene shot on a catwalk atop the Manhattan Bridge.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 November 2019 22:29 (six months ago) link

otoh, the 30ish couple in front of me who came in late, babbled to each other, and the female half of whom told her complaining neighbor "You have a stick up your ass": NYC is dead.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 November 2019 22:31 (six months ago) link

SAVE THE CITY
KILL THE LOUDMOUTH

cryborg (rip van wanko), Monday, 4 November 2019 22:41 (six months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Bloomberg's record in New York is perhaps the biggest, fastest, and most unrestrained application of "trickle-down economics" in this country. New York isn't rich because everybody is rich. It's rich because more and more only rich people can live there. https://t.co/lT1voHDX7r

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) November 8, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 November 2019 16:34 (six months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Western Massachusetts

pophatte (admrl), Monday, 9 December 2019 17:49 (five months ago) link

aspiring congressperson and Azealia Banks signee Paperboy Love Prince
https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/personality/interviews-profiles/rapper-costumed-subway-entertainer-congressional-candidate

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 16:49 (five months ago) link

two weeks pass...

from a friend who was born in Manhattan and finally moved away 'The Liberals have ruined New York City. The smell of pot is everywhere. Half the people I meet in the street are stoned. Teenagers think it’s funny to blow smoke in the face of little school kids. homelessness '

— Michael Savage (@ASavageNation) January 1, 2020

mookieproof, Wednesday, 1 January 2020 17:50 (five months ago) link

The bitching of one's friends is an infallible indicator of universal truth.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 17:56 (five months ago) link

friend otm about the pot though

Josefa, Wednesday, 1 January 2020 18:21 (five months ago) link

Bet this guy’s never been to LA or SF to be complaining so much about NY

calstars, Wednesday, 1 January 2020 18:43 (five months ago) link

that guy needs to smoke a blunt and chill out

djdirtbagstyle, Wednesday, 1 January 2020 19:42 (five months ago) link

boomers bitching about marijuana while doped up on opioids is still on trend.

Yerac, Wednesday, 1 January 2020 20:35 (five months ago) link

I once didn't air out my car enough when I was a teenager and my ultra conservative dad went to move the car the next morning and it totally still reeked and he was soooo upset "I was in the military, I know what marijuana smells like!!!"

Yerac, Wednesday, 1 January 2020 20:42 (five months ago) link

TOURISTS GTFO DAY

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 6 January 2020 16:24 (four months ago) link

related - has anyone ever run for mayor of NYC on the platform of less tourism, bc I think that would be a winner

Josefa, Monday, 6 January 2020 16:38 (four months ago) link

but the holy revenue

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 6 January 2020 16:47 (four months ago) link

I've lived in heavily touristed places and untouristed places, and I way prefer the former because the latter are boring wastes of time.

nb I live in the 2nd most touristed city in the world

L'assie (Euler), Monday, 6 January 2020 16:51 (four months ago) link

boredom is v underrated, esp when all the fun places (for the nonrich) have been shuttered

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 6 January 2020 16:52 (four months ago) link

I could suggest some boring places then

L'assie (Euler), Monday, 6 January 2020 16:53 (four months ago) link

I was in New York recently (lived there for a bit a while ago, now I'm just an occasional tourist) and as always I like the way New York is so damn big that they can knock down tons of stuff and build tons of new stuff and it's still very visibly the same place it was in the 1980s.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 6 January 2020 19:06 (four months ago) link

my platform for mayor:

1. less tourism
2. cars banned in manhattan

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 6 January 2020 19:08 (four months ago) link

Brad 2021

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 6 January 2020 19:12 (four months ago) link

get me a cheap apartment to seal the deal

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 6 January 2020 19:12 (four months ago) link

affordable housing for all of course, after i kick all the rich people out of their glass condos

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 6 January 2020 19:15 (four months ago) link

https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2019/12/30/how-new-york-is-zoning-out-the-human-scale-city/

In 2018, Chase Bank announced that it would tear down the fifty-two-story, black-and-silver-ribbed, early Modernist tower at 270 Park Avenue in order to build a new tower at least seventy stories high. This will be the tallest-ever demolition of a perfectly viable building in New York City. In 2002, Chase began a total renovation of the building to LEED standard, a green building certification that gave it “platinum” status, a rating that acknowledges the value of preserving the embodied energy of an existing building and avoids energy use for demolition, landfill, and new construction. Landmark skyscrapers across the country—from the Empire State Building, Chicago’s Willis Tower (formerly Sears), and San Francisco’s Transamerica—have taken this environmentally responsible approach and upgraded their buildings to LEED platinum standard. And in doing so, Chase also benefitted from the five years of federal environmental tax credits that go with that designation. Then threw it all away.

To achieve the extra height and bulk of the new 270 Park, Chase is taking advantage of the “upzoning” of nearby mid-Manhattan that was applied in 2017 to a seventy-three-block area around Grand Central between 39th and 57th Streets. Upzoning’s relaxation of city planning regulations expands the development potential of new buildings by allowing increased height and density (the number of units or amount of floor area on a given lot), and simplifying the transfer of “air rights” from landmarked buildings to new sites within the district. Chase was thus able to buy air rights from the landmarked St. Patrick’s Cathedral, some six blocks away, and construct a taller, bulkier building. Preservationists have identified at least thirty-three buildings worthy of landmark protection from such redevelopment in this Midtown district, but after fierce resistance from real estate interests, only twelve have been so designated. By no logic—design, environmental, planning, zoning, landfill capacity—does demolition of 270 Park make sense, especially when at least some in the architectural community are trying to advance sustainable design. The planned destruction of 270 Park exemplifies how a vital aspect of the urbanism on which this city has evolved and excelled over decades is now being dangerously eroded.

I weep for my city; it is committing urban suicide.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 6 January 2020 19:23 (four months ago) link

they really need a broad tourism tax or resident discount for public transport, museums etc. and yeah everything about real estate needs to be overhauled.

Yerac, Monday, 6 January 2020 19:28 (four months ago) link

at work last week i saw one of those city banners advertising nyc as "the real estate capital of the world" and thought about how that's nothing to be proud of

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 6 January 2020 19:32 (four months ago) link

'money laundering capital of the world' is much catchier.

Yerac, Monday, 6 January 2020 19:34 (four months ago) link

it's still very visibly the same place it was in the 1980s.

plus the 95-story glass towers w/ empty Bahrainis' apartments

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 6 January 2020 19:37 (four months ago) link

apparently i never mentioned an incident from my nyc trip last april

it was a cold windy day and, being in the area, i decided to see how bad hudson yards really was. the mall was a lot of wasted space, the vessel was foreboding, and something -- either the vessel or some of the residential buildings under construction -- were channeling the wind in a way that created this ungodly howling noise

maybe the vessel just screams? something's haunted

babu frik fan account (mh), Monday, 6 January 2020 20:31 (four months ago) link

"the vessel just screams" stealing this song title for my metal band

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 6 January 2020 20:33 (four months ago) link

'The Vessel Screams' also a solid name for a metal band.

pomenitul, Monday, 6 January 2020 20:35 (four months ago) link

I'd tweak to "This Vessel Screams" but yes

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 6 January 2020 20:54 (four months ago) link

afaict the streets of midtown during the work day is just tourists asking other tourists for directions

babu frik fan account (mh), Monday, 6 January 2020 21:02 (four months ago) link

hey some of us are walking to the least abysmal place we know of for lunch

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 6 January 2020 21:04 (four months ago) link

are the corporate feeding troughs still basically places where you can order your own salad to spec, mixed in a big metal bowl, or alternatively order a panino? or is that like 15 years out of fashion by now?

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 6 January 2020 21:06 (four months ago) link

My office used to be right across the street from rockefeller and sometimes a couple of us would walk together to the other building in times sq or to get lunch/run errands. It would be hilarious if one of the ticket touters approached us because unrehearsed all of us would yell "DO WE LOOK LIKE TOURISTS!?!" This usually only happened though when the NJ'ian was vaping.

Yerac, Monday, 6 January 2020 21:08 (four months ago) link

it was an odd time to visit, compounded by my complete mental fatigue after three full days of training. got to see a mostly-empty high line, and after completely failing to notice my dinner location was next door to the empire state building, i was able to instantly go to the top with no real line! even the high line was relatively empty

fwiw I was both tourist and direction-giver to the confused older visitors

babu frik fan account (mh), Monday, 6 January 2020 21:10 (four months ago) link

obviously i visited the high line, and my brain may in fact be mush today as well

babu frik fan account (mh), Monday, 6 January 2020 21:11 (four months ago) link

xpost it is still a ton of salad/sandwich places or the ones that have both of those and pasta, udon, sushi, hot bar options.

I am not a sandwich person but there is this newish awesome cambodian sandwich chain that I would go to sometimes. Num Pang. And also a Lebanese wrap chain, Naya. Both super good.

Yerac, Monday, 6 January 2020 21:13 (four months ago) link

pushing the envelope of midtown mass salad prep. love it. the best minds.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 6 January 2020 22:45 (four months ago) link

is there anywhere else that people wait so long in line and spend so much money for a lunchtime salad? ( I have never been to sweetgreen)

Yerac, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 00:05 (four months ago) link

I have to say in all about the updated and rebranded “Dig” formerly known as Digg Inn who serve serious chicken thighs. Cava also ranks highly in the lunchtime fast casual scale.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 01:07 (four months ago) link

buy lunch? those days are gone for me

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 January 2020 01:33 (four months ago) link

I brought my lunch (salad) to work 95% of the time and hate ate that salad at my desk. I hate salad.

Yerac, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 01:38 (four months ago) link

I am not a sandwich person but there is this newish awesome cambodian sandwich chain that I would go to sometimes. Num Pang. And also a Lebanese wrap chain, Naya. Both super good.

― Yerac, Monday, January 6, 2020 4:13 PM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I know this is the most obnoxious possible take but num pang was better before it morphed into a chain

(the actual best, for some value of "best," of the somewhat overpriced fast-casual-cafeteria chains with shitty exclusionary no-cash policies is mulberry and vine)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 7 January 2020 05:05 (four months ago) link

I am looking up which one was first (around NYU?) The one I used to go to was around 48th St. in 2013-14ish.

Yerac, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 05:09 (four months ago) link

the one that used to be on 12th street

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 7 January 2020 05:11 (four months ago) link

(maybe 13th? in that area. it might still be there, I haven't been in years)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 7 January 2020 05:23 (four months ago) link

I think first num pang is the one on broadway around 19th. I used to like it. Would get pork and noodles but they don’t do that any more.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 13:06 (four months ago) link

The Num Pang near University Pl is still there

525,600 gecs (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 7 January 2020 13:13 (four months ago) link

agree that num pang quality has declined over the years. there was one day where the tofu salad container switched from ~8x8" square to a ~8x5" rectangle with no corresponding price decrease = do you take me for a fool num pang

i have many thoughts on the horrible lunch options around union square. long ago i worked way downtown and the breadth and quality of falafel carts and sandwich shops etc was strikingly better.

adam, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 13:30 (four months ago) link

The best food in union square and flatiron was Taste of Persia which closes end of this month. So if you haven’t gone, go.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 13:58 (four months ago) link

What’s good there?

calstars, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 15:32 (four months ago) link

another vote for DIGG/Digg in here

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 7 January 2020 15:48 (four months ago) link

taste of persia is great, i hope that dude finds another spot quickly. the eater thing i read said that the new owners of that nondescript pizza place are kicking him out! why would you get rid of the only interesting thing about your anonymous pizzeria half a block off the avenue!?

calstars he has a couple different things every day but dude will be happy to describe each thing in effusive detail. never had anything less than good.

adam, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 15:51 (four months ago) link

The chicken thighs are good at Digg but the sides tend to be a bit oily. I kind of like the grilled salmon at Little Beet, but it’s a bit pricey.

o. nate, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 16:00 (four months ago) link

I was happy to stumble into Xi'an Famous Foods on my last trip after having heard about it and it hit the spot

babu frik fan account (mh), Tuesday, 7 January 2020 16:15 (four months ago) link

they are pretty good for a chain

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 7 January 2020 16:21 (four months ago) link

Xian is another one where it seems portions have shrunk while prices have risen. Its still good but seems pricey for essentially a snack. Other decent chains include Kati Roll, Dos Toros, and Toasties.

o. nate, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 16:35 (four months ago) link

generally if i'm eating for under $10 in midtown it's a deal. i had some $9 noodles at xi'an last week and they were delicious and filling

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 January 2020 16:42 (four months ago) link

Hey I ate at X'ian recently too! I think general standards of US Chinese food have risen enough that it didn't stand out for me, but it was good and a plate of those noodles is definitely a full meal for me

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 7 January 2020 16:45 (four months ago) link

I think the competitiveness of NYC food raises the bar to the extent where a local NYC chain is probably tastier than a lot of single establishment restaurants in smaller cities :(

babu frik fan account (mh), Tuesday, 7 January 2020 16:46 (four months ago) link

I hate Dos Torros. Would rather stick with Chipotle.

For taste of Persia I always get the kebab and one is the other dishes. Greens or lentils with beef usually. Persian meatballs etc. it’s all good and he’ll give samples time permitting.

Other things I eat a lot of? The spam onigiri or roll at Enju.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 16:49 (four months ago) link

xp I feel just the opposite, I have always experienced NYC as a place where the propensity of people to eat every meal out means just-OK restaurants have a better chance of survival than they do in smaller places where people won't pay unless the food's good.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 7 January 2020 16:50 (four months ago) link

also a fair take

babu frik fan account (mh), Tuesday, 7 January 2020 16:53 (four months ago) link

xi'an's an exception imo

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 January 2020 16:55 (four months ago) link

agreed that dos toros sucks but in a fight with chipotle no one wins

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 January 2020 16:55 (four months ago) link

ennju donburi are another go-to for sure.

dan do you fuck with rainbow falafel? that's my first choice if i have cash in my pocket and i am down for some heartburn

adam, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 16:59 (four months ago) link

Oh X'ian is definitely well above the standards of chain restaurants, what I'm saying is "even in my small city there are now hand-pulled noodle places that are really good, which wasn't true 10 years ago," so I'm saying X'ian is now merely "as good as the best Chinese places in small cities w/o large Asian populations," not "much better than the best Chinese places in those cities" as it would have been formerly

National chain restaurants in NYC always seem to be full of people (whether you're in a tourist area or not)

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 7 January 2020 17:01 (four months ago) link

Never done rainbow because I don’t eat pita or tahini so options limited. What I do do is bistec encobollado w avocado and jalapeños from great burrito on 23rd. I love when you find real Mexican home in the walls surviving in Manhattan. There’s another on 6th ave below 14th.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 17:14 (four months ago) link

I like x'ian but for office lunch it's definitely a mandatory teeth brushing x's 2 after and it doesn't travel the greatest.

ohhh, I love spam musubi and spam ramen. I hadn't seen it used much in ny.

Yerac, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 17:26 (four months ago) link

it doesn't travel the greatest.

Yeah I really like that they have a sign up in the restaurant that basically says "our food is not gonna taste very good if you eat it after it's been cooling in a plastic container for 35 minutes and that's on you, you lazy asshole"

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 7 January 2020 17:39 (four months ago) link

almost walked into that Great Burrito but i'm always skeptical of mexican places in Manhattan xxp

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 7 January 2020 17:52 (four months ago) link

It’s not gourmet but can be surprisingly good. Refreshing to have that in that area.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 17:55 (four months ago) link

Tariqs cart on 19th and park is a good one.

Sammys on 4th and 6th is great obv but not quite as good as the original one in Jackson heights.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 18:08 (four months ago) link

Xian is another one where it seems portions have shrunk while prices have risen. Its still good but seems pricey for essentially a snack. Other decent chains include Kati Roll, Dos Toros, and Toasties.

― o. nate, Tuesday, January 7, 2020 11:35 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's funny you say that because I like xi'an but almost never go because it's heavy enough that I feel like I have to set aside an entire day's food consumption for it, and if I'm already setting aside an entire day's worth of food consumption to eat somewhere I'm probably going to pick somewhere else

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 7 January 2020 18:39 (four months ago) link

That’s understandable. It’s small compared to a gut bomb like a Dos Toros burrito, which I’ve been known to enjoy on occasion, but it is a decent amount of noodle at least. The amount of meat seems to have gotten skimpier over time.

o. nate, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 20:54 (four months ago) link

a chipotle fake meat salad or bowl is the right amount of food to not wipe out the day IMO and their fake meat is actually good! i used to eat at the 6th and 22nd chipotle 3-4 times a week tbh. lost a bunch of weight. i was like the subway guy but without the other stuff.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 7 January 2020 21:42 (four months ago) link

lol

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Tuesday, 7 January 2020 21:48 (four months ago) link

Chipotle has fake meat now? Time to go back

calstars, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 22:45 (four months ago) link

they've had sofritos for a really long time, that's my chipotle staple

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 7 January 2020 22:46 (four months ago) link

it's sofritas but i bet sofritos would be tasty.

protip: it's BOGOF free on sofritas. you just tweet at them and say they accidentally got carnitas in your bowl and they send you a gift card. some people like the in n out secret menu. myself i prefer fraud.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 7 January 2020 22:51 (four months ago) link

When I'm leaning vegetarian, I prefer Dos Toros because you can get a burrito with vegetables in it. Sofritas don't add much, IMO.

o. nate, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 01:54 (four months ago) link

dos toros now has fake meat btw

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 02:27 (four months ago) link

so why choose

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 02:27 (four months ago) link

though all fake meat just reminds me that the primary taste of meat is: salt

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 02:29 (four months ago) link

Yeah, I don't really get the point of fake meat in a burrito. Beans and rice and guac is hearty enough.

o. nate, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 02:35 (four months ago) link

meat product substitutes were so mediocre and pricey for so long (except maybe 1-2 tofurkey products) that I still haven't tried any of the new fake meats. I saw Beyond Burgers at costco this weekend for so much cheaper than my regular grocery store but there was no interest to invest in 8 patties. Fake meat on top of beans is making me feel bloaty just thinking about it (we also usually are fine with bean, avocado (NO RICE) burritos).

Yerac, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 03:06 (four months ago) link

Really want a burrito now tbh

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 03:33 (four months ago) link

though all fake meat just reminds me that the primary taste of meat is: salt

actually the science people who invented the beyond and impossible burgers found the actual secret ingredient is: blood

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 03:44 (four months ago) link

I want to believe in bean, avocado, no rice but my stomach started howling

I’m nearly 40, let me live

babu frik fan account (mh), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 03:46 (four months ago) link

BurritoVille has a wiki page. I don't even remember if it was good or not but i know I enjoyed it.

Yerac, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 03:47 (four months ago) link

i can't stand rice in burritos but what ends up happening is the burrito ends up being too soggy or skinny from chipotle-ish places. when I make it at home it's fine. I tried to do a ramen burrito once but it wasn't great.

Yerac, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 03:50 (four months ago) link

I did two weeks jury duty in Brooklyn and the food choices around the courthouse were a total fucking nightmare, unless they gave you enough time to go to the Italian restaurant Queen on Court St.

Josefa, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 03:57 (four months ago) link

supposedly more people are leaving ny than any other state and the population is decreasing. I think this year might be my last year as a resident.

Yerac, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 04:16 (four months ago) link

Soul spot is still there on Atlantic I think. I always loved that place.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 13:04 (four months ago) link

Still there. There’s also a xian by the jay st F now

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 14:02 (four months ago) link

i recently got promoted at work and i still can't afford to live here, fuck this place to death

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 17 January 2020 16:24 (four months ago) link

i can't even afford to live in commuting distance from NYC in NJ. As much as it sucks i don't know what other area of the county I could or would want to move to.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 17 January 2020 17:19 (four months ago) link

did you at least get a >5% raise with that promotion? because businesses try to pull that irritating crap when doling out extra responsibility.

Yerac, Friday, 17 January 2020 18:03 (four months ago) link

Fairway closing

badg, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 12:19 (four months ago) link

supposedly more people are leaving ny than any other state and the population is decreasing. I think this year might be my last year as a resident.

― Yerac, Tuesday, January 7, 2020 11:16 PM (two weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink

will this make rents go down? bc i am here for the foreseeable future.

treeship., Wednesday, 22 January 2020 13:05 (four months ago) link


meat product substitutes were so mediocre and pricey for so long (except maybe 1-2 tofurkey products) that I still haven't tried any of the new fake meats. I saw Beyond Burgers at costco this weekend for so much cheaper than my regular grocery store but there was no interest to invest in 8 patties. Fake meat on top of beans is making me feel bloaty just thinking about it (we also usually are fine with bean, avocado (NO RICE) burritos).

― Yerac, Tuesday, January 7, 2020 10:06 PM (two weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink

i'm slowly removing all animal products from my diet (down to just eggs now) and the beyond or impossible burger is horrible. i don't understand what is wrong with tofu, tempeh, seitan and other vegan proteins that are still recognizably plant products.

treeship., Wednesday, 22 January 2020 13:07 (four months ago) link

will this make rents go down? bc i am here for the foreseeable future.

I know dick all about New York but the answer here is definitely no.

Appleman Appears: 20/2/2020. Whose Cider You On? (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 13:44 (four months ago) link

I was very close to moving last fall for reasons that didn't end up panning out, but christ, would it have been a massive jump in quality of life

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 14:09 (four months ago) link

New —> FAIRWAY, the iconic NYC supermarket, says it has NO intention of filing for bankruptcy or closing stores.
Disputing today’s report in the NYPost. pic.twitter.com/lTpgXS4Q2l

— Clifford Levy (@cliffordlevy) January 22, 2020

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 14:43 (four months ago) link

when a local supermarket chain beloved by residents of the richest city in the country is acquired by private equity, expands, goes public, and then goes out of business and closes all its stores in like a decade? that's The Economy baby https://t.co/lVgt91esuM

— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) January 22, 2020

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 21:28 (four months ago) link

xp journo's tweet is wrong about that fairway statement - they just say they have no intention of closing "all" stores. Instead they clearly are saying "brace for an undisclosed number of store closings".

warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 22:03 (four months ago) link

lack of a determiner in "ongoing operations of stores" is telling

warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 22:05 (four months ago) link

We might have no intention to file Chapter 7, but we might be forced to/do it accidentally.

We're jumping on the road with @Nickelback this summer! (PBKR), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 22:37 (four months ago) link

fairway in red hook is prett my dope, get the omelette and chill by the inlet and shit

calstars, Thursday, 23 January 2020 00:06 (four months ago) link

what is the reason fairway is so beloved? it always felt like a pretty normal grocery store to me. was it more magical seeming in the 80s and 90s when whole foods and trader joe's didn't exist?

iatee, Thursday, 23 January 2020 00:13 (four months ago) link

I’ve only been to the one in red hook

treeship., Thursday, 23 January 2020 00:18 (four months ago) link

Michael Shannon lives above Fairway in Red Hook.

Yerac, Thursday, 23 January 2020 00:23 (four months ago) link

oh ha, maybe not anymore. I see they rented out the apt for $6500/mth last year.

Yerac, Thursday, 23 January 2020 00:25 (four months ago) link

better produce than trader joes was the appeal for me

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 23 January 2020 00:29 (four months ago) link

the chelsea fairway was always a ghost town and felt really old despite it being a newer one.

Yerac, Thursday, 23 January 2020 00:38 (four months ago) link

was it more magical seeming in the 80s and 90s when whole foods and trader joe's didn't exist?

I think that's a big part of it.

o. nate, Thursday, 23 January 2020 01:32 (four months ago) link

iirc Michael Shannon is in Chicago most of the time, or has been due to theater obligations in recent years

babu frik fan account (mh), Thursday, 23 January 2020 02:32 (four months ago) link

apologies for tweetposting but the first half of this video before the music video derail captures a certain aspect of the tourist/rich condo zeitgeist:

GOOD NEWS! There is a Hudson Yards Video Game and I am the Main guy in it! See full clip ⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️https://t.co/vaMuFNKA9j pic.twitter.com/dDxbYpWHQi

— Conner O'Malley (@conner_omalley) January 21, 2020

babu frik fan account (mh), Thursday, 23 January 2020 02:33 (four months ago) link

produce and cheese was miles beyond your typical upper west side market back in the day for the og store, it was like balducci's (rip) but old upper west side (jewish) and less blatantly fancy pants

buzza, Thursday, 23 January 2020 06:35 (four months ago) link

They carried this one kind of curry powder that I loved that no one else stocked. It was that kind of place.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Thursday, 23 January 2020 13:18 (four months ago) link

you ppl and your FOOD, idgi

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 January 2020 13:23 (four months ago) link

balducci's (rip)

There are still a few left iirc

Also hi Buzza

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 January 2020 13:34 (four months ago) link

The last time I was in a Fairway (UWS) was to get ingredients for a meatball lasagna my friend was going to teach me to make. That lasagna was like $60 in ingredients but it was f'ing delicious. TOP LASAGNA.

Yerac, Thursday, 23 January 2020 18:46 (four months ago) link

balducci's (rip)

There are still a few left iirc

one in the city and a few in the suburbs

culture of mayordom (voodoo chili), Thursday, 23 January 2020 18:49 (four months ago) link

Since my longtime landlord sold the eight-unit building to a mysterious corporate entity a few years ago, there’s been a revolving door in the apartment next to mine and the one below. The turnover happens every summer. So far, maybe because young men are known to be destructive, the new owners have only admitted young women, with one exception. By design, none of them stays for more than a year. The East Village is just a way station, empty of significance. My young friends who are queers and artists have never set foot in this neighborhood. It’s irrelevant to them. When I tell them I live here, they look confused. Why would you want to live there? The East Village is nowhere.

https://nplusonemag.com/issue-36/essays/open-house/

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 15:36 (four months ago) link

what a drag it is getting old

mookieproof, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 16:00 (four months ago) link

or living in a dead, unaffordable city

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 16:03 (four months ago) link

with an utterly marginalized arts community

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 16:03 (four months ago) link

I read that open house piece an hour ago and I am still mad about the door slamming.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 19:10 (four months ago) link

what an obnoxious article. yes, a neighborhood with 20 year olds is likely to have an increasing number of people named Hayley. they might even use amazon and have smart phones.

iatee, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 19:34 (four months ago) link

here's an obnoxious mayoral hopeful for you, whose words i feel viscerally

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2020/01/21/eric-adams-slams-gentrification-in-speech-says-go-back-to-iowa

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 19:37 (four months ago) link

yes, as someone who was of course born and raised in New York, you are one of the few with a birthright

iatee, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 19:39 (four months ago) link

lol non-obnoxious iatee

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 19:40 (four months ago) link

they might even use amazon and have smart phones.

so fuck them and their shitty jobs and 5 to an apartment idiocy

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 19:41 (four months ago) link

I thought the piece was very well written but there is something about being mad new transplantees not adapting to where they move and old transplantees not adapting to new environments. I was only mad about the door slamming. Always terrible. All neighbors are terrible.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 19:57 (four months ago) link

I don't post tweets but this really spoke to me yesterday.

Someone: Im in town!

New Yorkers: OMFG!! That’s so great! Have fun!!!!

Phillip Henry
@MajorPhilebrity

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 19:58 (four months ago) link

I have friends whose apartment gets a steady stream of friends across the nation staying with them and all i can think is WHYYYYY

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:04 (four months ago) link

That article would be hilarious if it was a short story. The author really captures the voice of a motherfucking lunatic you'd pray not to be stuck next to on the subway.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:05 (four months ago) link

what is their deal??? (xpost)

I have a formula on people staying with me depending on how well I know them, like them, how long they want to stay, what their plans are, if they are familiar enough with nyc.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:08 (four months ago) link

Idk I have time for that article. I kinda felt that way 10 yrs ago while trying to get an apt anywhere in Pros/Crown Heights but we kept losing to younger ppl than us with more "liquid assets" than us, and parents who took them on tours of refurbished bldgs while asking why there wasn't a doorman. It was painfully alienating and I really felt it as a personal failure even though I knew that those 22-yr olds weren't putting down their own 4 months' worth of first+last+dep+fee. It still felt like my failure to be one of them was being aired all around me and my grubby self whose apt was furnished with "finds" and hand-me-downs. It felt like a different world.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:09 (four months ago) link

there are two kinds of ppl in NYC

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:13 (four months ago) link

yeah the fact that they thought that anecdote about the couple and the cat was brilliant enough to share brought to mind Fran Lebowitz. good riddance to the deeply mediocre and self-important generation of new york transplants who think that complaining about cellphones is clever.

xps

iatee, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:13 (four months ago) link

my first nyc apt (illegal loft conversion in east wburg that years later had a bad fire) i thankfully found through cl and only needed deposit + first and he gave a free first month rent. I hadn't found all roommates yet and ph!l0h showed up while I was on the street moving in and ended up living there for several months.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:15 (four months ago) link

it'd be a shame for iatee and unperson to be stuck next to the author on under a train

phil oh, i remember him!

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:17 (four months ago) link

I JUST realized it was written by the Vanishing NY guy. This all makes so much more sense.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:17 (four months ago) link

both my first nyc roommates were through ilx. the other one lasted less than a month before leaving nyc.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:19 (four months ago) link

Actually by that time I had lost my apt so I was couch-surfing and staying w ppl for a month at a time while my stuff was in storage and going apt hunting every weekend, getting ripped off by a broker we had to take to small claims court (and track down his shady as fuck business venture via searchable records to find ties to his dad's real estate company, then home address in Brooklyn Heights, and go there and KNOCK ON HIS FAMILY'S FRONT DOOR to get our money back--his mother cut us a check), and just generally doing shitty. Meanwhile Franklin Ave was getting hype and the hospital reopened as apartments and we just kept losing our bids on apartments. It was a tough 4-6 mos. Being un-housed really freaks me out still today.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:20 (four months ago) link

my challop is it's insane to describe yourself or someone else as a "transplant", who gives a shit where you're from, people move all the time

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:20 (four months ago) link

we're full up and more

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:21 (four months ago) link

i know a kelsie who's lived in the east village for five years. not only does she have a cellphone, she's a poseur who never saw the velvets at max's kansas city

mookieproof, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:21 (four months ago) link

yeah, like the percentage of people living in any big city that weren't born in the city, or even in the country, is always high. and being mad when some 20 somethings move to a city that you moved to when you were a 20 something is, you know, a bit rich.

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:23 (four months ago) link

anybody who's never lived here has nothing to say, sorry

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:25 (four months ago) link

yep, just the same kinda change NYC has always seen except for the needle towers for oil sheikhs

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:26 (four months ago) link

i think all major cities are having the soul sucked out of them by ultraluxury condos and shell company foreign investors.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:27 (four months ago) link

nope, apparently it's just old ppl complaining (see above)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:31 (four months ago) link

i think all major cities are having the soul sucked out of them by ultraluxury condos and shell company foreign investors.

― Yerac, Tuesday, January 28, 2020 12:27 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is absolutely the case

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:34 (four months ago) link

anybody who's never lived here has nothing to say, sorry

I lived in Bay Ridge in 1990. I worked in an office on Columbus Circle and had to ride the R train all the way to the end of the line to get home at night. It sucked.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:44 (four months ago) link

GREATEST CITY IN THE WORLD

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:44 (four months ago) link

"Transplants" are good for NYC. Parked foreign capital in empty luxury apartments is just unabashedly not, in any way.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:46 (four months ago) link

Transplants are why we have an economy, i.e. why we are New York City and not Detroit.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:47 (four months ago) link

hmmm, i think i was the one that used transplants. It seems like he never uses it once in his essay.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:53 (four months ago) link

"implants" is more like it

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:55 (four months ago) link

killed by transplants

We are saddened to learn that legendary DJ Harry Harrison has passed away. He was on Musicradio 77 WABC from 1968-79. The Hall of Fame jock was 89. pic.twitter.com/y4527YjYNH

— TalkRadio 77 WABC (@77WABCradio) January 28, 2020

mookieproof, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:57 (four months ago) link

There's not much good about living in a city that no one wants to move to

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:58 (four months ago) link

why (non-rich) people still want to move here is what's confusing me

not leaving was the dumbest mistake of my life

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:05 (four months ago) link

"Transplants" are good for NYC. Parked foreign capital in empty luxury apartments is just unabashedly not, in any way.

yeah i never really understand how people dont see the dissonance between complaining "too many young ppl are ruining ny by moving here" while simultaneously complaining "ny is boring now, the art/creative/whatever scene sucks"

warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:07 (four months ago) link

they’re actually just complaining about the fact that they’re not 20 anymore

iatee, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:10 (four months ago) link

i don't think moss is bemoaning the quantity of the young people, or the youngness of the people, so much as the quality of the young people. obviously the people who can afford to rent renovated market price apartments in the west village or williamsburg in 2020 etc are going to be nightmare pod people.

adam, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:11 (four months ago) link

east village rather. w village ship long sailed surely

adam, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:13 (four months ago) link

warhol moved to the city at 21, from suburban Pittsburgh

I wanna publish memes and rage against machimes (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:16 (four months ago) link

yeah, he's talking more about the quality of people able to afford to move to ny in the present day. Unfortunately that aesthetic of pleasant sameness and lack of niche interests is available everywhere. internet and globalization.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:19 (four months ago) link

the vanishing ny blog always spoke from the perspective of ‘there’s nothing in nyc worth considering outside of manhattan’.

iatee, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:20 (four months ago) link

complaining "ny is boring now, the art/creative/whatever scene sucks"

the writer doesn't even seem to go this far -- he's just upset that the 'queers and artists' moved out of the east village and left him behind in the 1990s

mookieproof, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:20 (four months ago) link

i moved to the East Village in '89, so by Jeremiah's logic I have seniority over him. So then: if he did not have such a pronounced investment in shaking his fist at the sky Job-style, it would behoove him to realize that it is time for him to go. The neighborhood is fairly or unfairly not for him any longer, and he should move to a neighborhood (perhaps Brownsville or East New York is suitably gritty for him?) or another town. But then, it seems that inveighing on this matter gives his life meaning and he would be lost without doing so.

By my reckoning, the fuckin' EV sucked many many years ago, so I left. Yet Jeremiah and another former ILXor each have a identity built around impotent indignance regarding the neighborhood's former status… I wonder if either have ever attended a communiry board meeting? Not as easy as complaining on the internet, mind…

I know people who laugh heartily at the prospect of the East Village having retained any kind of ineffable bohemian character in the early 90s. And I seem to be recall that Jeremiah is a mental health professional of some sort? I can't imagine a personality less ill suited to offer even tempered, considered counsel…

veronica moser, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:24 (four months ago) link

it's a very fading mentality to stake a place out and then never ever leave.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:24 (four months ago) link

that's BS iatee

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:25 (four months ago) link

felicity lived in the east village in the late 90s.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:26 (four months ago) link

Queens content on his blog 2 weeks ago

https://vanishingnewyork.blogspot.com/2020/01/neirs-tavern-saved.html

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:28 (four months ago) link

"‘there’s nothing in nyc worth considering outside of manhattan’."

god, what an asshole.

veronica moser, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:28 (four months ago) link

i was reading this thing in eater about Taco Chulo in wburg (which I am pretty sure I have never eaten at) closing and they were lamenting that all the hipsters left and now all the families in the condos only want to stay in and order delivery.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:32 (four months ago) link

yes, iatee sure is when he makes up shit

xp

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:32 (four months ago) link

I had dinner there last night incidentally xp

iatee, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:34 (four months ago) link

Morbs Jeremiah is pretty open about not having any interest in the New York outside of the borough he chose to be a transplant in, no need to go search through his blog to find the 3% of token outer borough content

iatee, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:36 (four months ago) link

sort of like your token participation in Occupy WS

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:38 (four months ago) link

lmao

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:40 (four months ago) link

If only iatee had camped out for another two weeks we’d have full communism today

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:41 (four months ago) link

well he had to go make coffee for Hillary

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:46 (four months ago) link

there was still bohemian shit in the EV, i'd say into the early 2000s.. the Slipper Room seemed like the death knell but it wasn't quite the end. You'd still have nights where you could wander through people's apartments, doors open, connected backyards, people passing through. Stereototal washed up for awhile, one of them became a bouncer at Luna Lounge.. a friend of mine had a guitar repair shop on Ludlow. her own shop! on Ludlow! it was never open. She lived on Orchard. I think she moved out in like 2002, 2003? I asked why and it wasn't because they had raised the rent on her yet, it was because she said the neighborhood sucked, the weekends were terrible, just overrun with abrasive douchebags.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 00:42 (four months ago) link

that's the reason HiFI closed too. It wasn't the rent, the neighborhood just changed and wasn't interested.

Yerac, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 00:53 (four months ago) link

lol I'm sort of mixing up EV and LES.. shows what a new yorker i am these days 🙄

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 01:18 (four months ago) link

I had to look up whether the Slipper Room was still open. I thought it was a lot older than it is.

Yerac, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 01:21 (four months ago) link

the least believable part of this essay is the idea that whomever he lives near named madison is a guy https://www.babynamewizard.com/voyager#prefix=madison&sw=both&exact=true

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 01:33 (four months ago) link

also I admittedly have committed the apparently grave faux pas of sitting down on a curb (if you're not blocking traffic who gives a shit, laundry detergent exists, there is as much or more "danger" in the germs that accumulate on every single doorknob you touch) so now I wonder if this dude has taken a picture of me for his <s>spank bank</s> apparent edification

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 01:42 (four months ago) link

I get where the “go back to iowa” sentiment came
from but tbh our per-year exports are not nearly enough to really twist the demographics

I can only think of three or four people
in brooklyn who came from this state in my general (30 - 45) range

maybe every iowa city grad goes there idk

babu frik fan account (mh), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 02:34 (four months ago) link

I lived in the East Village from ‘98 to ‘04, near Tompkins Square Park. I can sympathize with this guy because I’m getting old too and these damn kids with their damn packages for every damn thing and their loud voices in the hallway are annoying as heck. OTOH in more reflective moments I would have to admit that the only constant is change and the bohos who move into dodgy neighborhoods will always and forever be the leading wedge of gentrification. You might as well complain about the weather.

o. nate, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 14:28 (four months ago) link

speaking of new york city and death, i need to make a will. anyone have a lawyer to recommend?

mookieproof, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 15:21 (four months ago) link

the least believable part of this essay is the idea that whomever he lives near named madison is a guy

It's Bumgarner presumably

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 15:25 (four months ago) link

You might as well complain about the weather.

yeah, u guys don't get it

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 15:27 (four months ago) link

I guess one thing I do wonder (and I mean wonder -- as a 40 yo dad in central queens, I'm pretty disconnected from this) -- is whether there is any single neighborhood in NYC today that feels like *the vibrant cutting edge* locus of the arts? Has there been a place like that since Bushwick peaked? Because I have a theory that geography plus COL has made that hard, as it's become more difficult to have any kind of centralized area and instead people with less money who are in the arts get spread out in many different directions.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 15:34 (four months ago) link

i know multiple people with studio space in the industrial part of maspeth. get on the maspeth train while you can. thats a metaphorical train cause theres no actual train that goes there

adam, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 15:39 (four months ago) link

yeah i feel like you need commercially zoned dead space for an artistic bohemian area to really work i.e. hackney wick, early williamsburg, etc

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 15:43 (four months ago) link

the spread-out thing sounds right to me. people lucking into decent rentals in lefferts gardens and ridgewood, workin on stuff in maspeth and in sunset park, promising to come by each other's studios, having to reschedule, settling on coffee the third thursday of next month, someplace in manhattan where their trains come together.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 15:44 (four months ago) link

please stay the fuck away from windsor terrace; we got a good thing going here

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 15:48 (four months ago) link

Still parts of East Williamsburg green point and Bushwick that are zoned industrial and have light industry mixed with start ups and offices. My old building at Morgan and division is still filled with artists and “artisanal” craftspeople types. Ridgewood obv but now “arts” people are edging into Glendale and maspeth. I haven’t done like Bushwick open studios in a few years but with the nightlife at least it still feels pretty vibrant. There’s always plenty of stuff going on and shitty places to live even if it sucks. And I don’t know about the East village. Sure it’s been shit for years but go further downtown and you have Commend and Two Bridges or whatever.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 16:59 (four months ago) link

I miss windsor terrace/Kensington very much…there was this amazing apartment I visited around there that amounted to a museum of sequential art…

veronica moser, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 17:21 (four months ago) link

see now you got me curious

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 17:25 (four months ago) link

who is this genius curator i wonder

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 17:25 (four months ago) link

mookie, I've used this guy for three things (including wills). He was free through my company so I don't know what his rates are like. But he is very accessible in chelsea, super quick responding to emails (you can do almost everything through phone calls and email), and was generally really easy to work with/pleasant. I am likely using him again this year.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/lawrence-hanover-58937722/

Yerac, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 17:58 (four months ago) link

the other thing about the village is nyu owns most of it and the parts nyu doesn’t own, nyu kids may disproportionately live, so the complaints largely seem like complaints about college kids more than anything else

(except when they become digressions about stalking and stealthily photographing and imagining murdering and violating them, which, I’m sorry, is fucking creepy)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 18:08 (four months ago) link

tbf, entitled college kids are a blight upon the village. not so much they should be stalked/murdered but still.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 18:09 (four months ago) link

entitled college kids are a blight upon the village earth

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 18:20 (four months ago) link

nyu owning most of the village is a very bad thing but i guess we can't undo that

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 18:25 (four months ago) link

not without seizing it anyway

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 18:29 (four months ago) link

^ this makes me wish the olsen twins still made movies.

Yerac, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 18:38 (four months ago) link

thanks yerac!

mookieproof, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 19:29 (four months ago) link

yeah i feel like you need commercially zoned dead space for an artistic bohemian area to really work i.e. hackney wick, early williamsburg, etc

― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand),

im hoarding empty warehouses in Patterson, NJ tell your friends!

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 20:17 (four months ago) link

i hear detroit is still hiring

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 20:24 (four months ago) link

I feel like I do hear little snatches of things through my wife's artist friends and various other random people I know and it's mostly like there's no one place anymore "I hear artists are moving to [Woodhaven, Jamaica, Brownsville, East New York, Maspeth, Glendale, Mill Basin, a tiny unnamed island off the southern coast of Long Island, a barge in the Hudson river, etc.]

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 23:47 (four months ago) link

are there 'cool neighborhoods' anywhere in america? is there some place where it's more fun to be a 20 y/o artist than the gentrifying edges of brooklyn at the moment? I feel like some combination of 'the internet' + all dense urban areas getting expensive/safer/'normal' in past decades has made this idea a bit archaic.

iatee, Thursday, 30 January 2020 00:18 (four months ago) link

Young people are moving to the woods

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 30 January 2020 00:47 (four months ago) link

not exactly what Thoreau had in mind

I wanna publish memes and rage against machimes (rip van wanko), Thursday, 30 January 2020 01:06 (four months ago) link

Thoreau was a piece of shit so

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Thursday, 30 January 2020 01:13 (four months ago) link

uh oh dint know Thoreau was cancelled

NYU owned a lot less of the EV when I was there, eg nothing on Ave B which was a hellscape.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 January 2020 01:43 (four months ago) link

Love any excuse to foist this essay on ppl https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/19/pond-scum

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Thursday, 30 January 2020 01:44 (four months ago) link

Livingston Manor is the new Williamsburg.

dan selzer, Thursday, 30 January 2020 02:45 (four months ago) link

As my stepdad would say , “Livingstink Manure”

calstars, Thursday, 30 January 2020 12:33 (four months ago) link

Rockaways seem pretty low key

calstars, Thursday, 30 January 2020 12:34 (four months ago) link

until you get targeted for fare evasion cssny.org/news/entry/mta-false-fare-evasion-narrative-data

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 30 January 2020 13:55 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

haha wow

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 12:23 (two months ago) link

Mayor de Blasio is indeed here at the Park Slope YMCA this morning. Passers by have commented negatively. One called him an idot. pic.twitter.com/FIgEmlf4Gf

— andrew kaczynski🤔 (@KFILE) March 16, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 March 2020 16:38 (two months ago) link

what an idiot

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 16 March 2020 16:39 (two months ago) link

indeed

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 March 2020 16:41 (two months ago) link

do we need a separate NYC thread for our unique challenges? (if there are some)

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 March 2020 16:53 (two months ago) link

lmao jesus christ

i mean good for the bars but just wild to me

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 16 March 2020 16:57 (two months ago) link

I love that New York still has it’s expensive whimsies that don’t actually affect me

They should call it The Turkey's Nest Rule.

Yerac, Monday, 16 March 2020 17:05 (two months ago) link

i mean who hasn't filled up a travel mug with booze and wandered the streets

I walked into deepest Boro Park to reach the nearest Cap1t4l One ATM (cuz yes, that's how cheap I am re fees). Still 100% Orthodox residents with 100% Latino manual labor.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 March 2020 17:09 (two months ago) link

PSA to new yorkers who will be ordering delivery due to the new restaurant closure (from me, a part time delivery worker) delivery workers are extremely vulnerable right now. please be considerate. here are some things you can do

— wash hands. wear mask. stay home (@wilfredchan) March 16, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 March 2020 17:21 (two months ago) link

deBlasio was making noise about a possible future quarantining of the city

Cuomo replied that only he can do that, and he has no plans to

boy howdy

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:32 (two months ago) link

maybe they'll fight to the death

silby, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:52 (two months ago) link

rebuild the economy with pay-per-view fights between politicians. two chairs and one weapon each.

Dollarmite Is My Name (sic), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:26 (two months ago) link

they really should quarantine. Too many people need to be given direct instructions.

Yerac, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:27 (two months ago) link

that'd be bad for me, as I don't know if im bugging out of town yet or not

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:31 (two months ago) link

yeah, I actually invited two friends of mine to come here to stay and then the next day they closed the border.

Yerac, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:35 (two months ago) link

or rather they made the announcement that they would be closing the border. You would have time at least to make a decision if they announced it.

Yerac, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:35 (two months ago) link

De Blasio saying a shelter in place order could come within the next 48 hours per gothamist

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 20:04 (two months ago) link

shit is getting real: alternate-side parking regulations have been suspended for the next week

mookieproof, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 21:08 (two months ago) link

They’re not sweeping the street, it begins

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 21:12 (two months ago) link

local bodega sold me five rolls of toilet paper without so much as a wink. they were out of tamales though. sometimes walk around the neighborhood fixes a lot of agit.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 21:14 (two months ago) link

i'm not worried as much about 'shelter in place' as I am the risk of going anywhere even for authorized purposes, in my immunocompromised class.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 21:24 (two months ago) link

"shelter in place" is a terrible name for what the order actually means, at least the bay area version is. it's basically an enforced version of social distancing norms (essential businesses remain open, you can leave your apartment but can't congregate in groups, etc.)

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 23:04 (two months ago) link

of course, it has a name that immediately induces panic and thoughts like "oh god, is my apartment even shelter enough?"

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 23:04 (two months ago) link

Have I said I had no use for it but RIP anyway yet?

Lipstick Traces (on a Cigarette Alone) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 23:05 (two months ago) link

Here's hoping all this rain will wash the coronavirus away.

Alba, Thursday, 19 March 2020 12:43 (two months ago) link

Like Night of the Comet.

Yerac, Thursday, 19 March 2020 12:44 (two months ago) link

JUST IN: MTA buses will be backdoor-only starting Monday, with exceptions for disabled riders. On local buses, that means no more fare collection.

— David J. Meyer (@dahvnyc) March 20, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 21 March 2020 18:26 (two months ago) link

deBlasio released 23 ppl from Rikers

alleged progressive heroes @NYCMayor & @NYGovCuomo are leaving thousands to rot in NY state and city prisons and jails despite scores of experts calling for mass release of prisoners, namely those (1) w/ underlying conditions (2) over 50 (3) w/ less than a year on their sentence https://t.co/6aIcBNlB1L

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) March 22, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 22 March 2020 23:10 (two months ago) link

NYT top headline is the high COVID 'attack rate' in the NY metro region

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 03:21 (two months ago) link

also an article explaining why the reason new york has been hit hard is its density, which article does not mention singapore or hong kong.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 04:03 (two months ago) link

also doesn't mention that density varies throughout the five boroughs yet they seem to have roughly the same infections per capita (staten island slightly ahead)

mookieproof, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 08:20 (two months ago) link

not fair, I've met a bunch of Staten Islanders who aren't dense

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 12:54 (two months ago) link

i thought ny was hit hard because of density and complete disregard to stay at home/take precautions.

Yerac, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 14:08 (two months ago) link

it's probably being hit harder than other US cities because of density. it's being hit harder than other world cities because it's in the US and the US is unbelievably badly run at the city, state and national level, and it has very poor healthcare.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 15:55 (two months ago) link

well GRANTED. sheesh. but ASIDE from that

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 20:58 (two months ago) link

guilty lol

absolute idiot liar uneducated person (mh), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:02 (two months ago) link

POTUS says Cuomo "is supposed to be buying his own ventilators"

good luck NY

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:08 (two months ago) link

cuomo knows a guy

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:21 (two months ago) link

well funny that since the states were bidding against the federal govt and other states for supplies.

Yerac, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:22 (two months ago) link

ayyyyy i’m ventilatin’ here

a struggle to make meat-snacking fit (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:28 (two months ago) link

all right does anyone have opinions about grocery delivery options

mookieproof, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:44 (two months ago) link

FreshDirect has no slots for a week, and the calendar only covers a week

relying on friends w/ a car so far

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:48 (two months ago) link

btw bdb *might* opt to close the playgrounds by the end of the week. to make up for the lost public space, he *might* then opt to close exactly two streets per borough to traffic

mookieproof, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:51 (two months ago) link

We ordered a box from some place called grateful produce and it was amazing. I also found a market on seamless and got some snacks and like 3lbs of cold cuts. Check seamless there’s always some delis that have staples.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 23:25 (two months ago) link

what about instacart

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 23:26 (two months ago) link

I take it Mimi's Hummus is still doing delivery

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 12:27 (two months ago) link

instacart is like a five-day wait

mookieproof, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 13:18 (two months ago) link

that's acceptable, we are just needing to reup on flour, yogurt, eggs, that kind of stuff

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 14:36 (two months ago) link

hopefully the flour situaton is not similar to the UK's!

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 14:37 (two months ago) link

get that stuff from delis on seamless.

I ordered a big meal from Dawas last night, a favorite place of ours in Woodside. Did it via credit card and wasn't happy that when the guy came he made me sign the CC. I never understand when that's needed. I tipped the delivery guy 20 bucks.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 15:26 (two months ago) link

morbs (and other nycers), freshdirect offers slots a day before for delivery pass members; $40 for a 6 month pass that lets you hold Tuesday to Thursday deliveries seems worth it

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 15:28 (two months ago) link

I just did an Instacart for next Monday

can get by til then

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 15:43 (two months ago) link

Very difficult to say if, in not even considering fleeing the overcrowded plague hub where I live, I am presently being "cool-headed in a time of crisis" or merely "stupid."

— 𝖇𝖎𝖌 𝖇𝖆𝖑𝖑𝖔𝖔𝖓 𝖆𝖉𝖛𝖊𝖓𝖙𝖚𝖗𝖊 (@NickPinkerton) March 22, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 17:47 (two months ago) link

same

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 18:02 (two months ago) link

little "support" yea/nay button on the right side

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 18:19 (two months ago) link

my sister just texted me to say "ARE YOU OKAY? TERRIBLE NEWS OUT OF NYC!" and when i asked what she meant she said "28% POSITIVE TESTING RATE IS TERRIBLE" and i got to be like um, yeah, it's a pandemic; gonna go jogging.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 18:36 (two months ago) link

I saw a few alarmist tweets about people leaving NYC? What would be the benefit to fleeing, if any?

We’re seeing a lot of flight from the city (especially among those who can afford to go to, say, the Hamptons). I’m not sure what the benefit is, perhaps it’s largely psychological. We’ve seen it in this pandemic, and throughout history. It happened in the medieval plagues, in the plagues in London, as well as many others. People see infection around them, and hope to escape it by fleeing. Instead, they may already be infected and are just bringing it to another place, perhaps even introducing it there.

If, as the tweets you refer to suggest, you can really leave without coming in contact with anyone outside your household and stay inside for 2 weeks, at least you’re not infecting anyone else and that’s an ethical approach. Unfortunately, not everyone will be so scrupulous, so the virus is very likely circulating there anyway. The end result: you’ll probably still be keeping to yourself, but perhaps in nicer surroundings.

However, if I thought I might get sick, I’d rather be somewhere near a good hospital.

mookieproof, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 21:53 (two months ago) link

Asking "what would be the benefit??!" seems facile? Uh in the country I can have a whole house instead of a couple of rooms, laundry on site, a yard we can go in, a garden where I grow food to eat, two bathrooms (lol), and be with my partner who lives alone when I'm not there, and if he gets ill, would be alone in his house and no one would be able to get to him.

I have largely been up here since around Mar 4 or 5 with only brief visits to the city where I used gloves + wiped down everything + stayed in as much as poss w my whole building doing the same. It's possible I was exposed in those moments but in any case we're both asymptomatic still.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 22:15 (two months ago) link

I guess those aren't the reasons rich ppl are "fleeing" tho cause they have the all the luxuries wherever they are.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 22:15 (two months ago) link

everyone's situation is different, io, you don't have to explain yourself.

(except that growing yr own food stuff, my god, do you know what century it is? I know, the 11th)

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 22:20 (two months ago) link

I mean if I fled to my sister's I'd have to take transit for 3 hours. just no way.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 22:21 (two months ago) link

Specifically the fresh veg are the thing that we'll be lacking if we can't go to the store at all. We have staples for a long time but it will help to have lettuce & radishes & herbs on hand soon.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 22:24 (two months ago) link

I fled with gf to her parents house in the jersey burbs. I expect we'll be here at least a month, probably more though. I have multiple friends in the city who are moderately sick, one degree away from someone who's on oxygen in a hospital.

However, if I thought I might get sick, I’d rather be somewhere near a good hospital.

my driving motivation to flee was 'if I get this I don't want to be on a bed in the javits center'.

iatee, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 22:56 (two months ago) link

Waiting at least a week or so more till we’ve been quarantined we’ll over two weeks and wives parents are the same then maybe going to their house in the jersey burbs. A yard and help with the three year old a big reason, plentiful fridge space. Etc.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 23:03 (two months ago) link

they need to figure out health insurance between states.

Yerac, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 23:29 (two months ago) link

Checked into leasing a car as a first step to possible fleeing; learned that ny and nj car dealers are among the businesses ordered to be closed (except for repair depts)

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 23:37 (two months ago) link

someone should start an uber for fleeing the city

iatee, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 23:41 (two months ago) link

I can 100% understand not wanting to fly, Jon, but could you? The few flights that are going appear to be very cheap right now

absolute idiot liar uneducated person (mh), Thursday, 26 March 2020 00:13 (two months ago) link

assuming you're trying to get to minnesota

I'd come get you but it's a bit of a hike

absolute idiot liar uneducated person (mh), Thursday, 26 March 2020 00:14 (two months ago) link

I meant fly as in fly you fools, fly from here
The only conveyance I would consider would be a car
We were just thinking about trying to find some cheap ass month to month thing out of town, and a car is prerequisite to that
Anyway

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 26 March 2020 01:20 (two months ago) link

Oh wait I misread you you were asking if I WOULD fly lol
Gotta bring the 60 lb puppy so plane wouldn’t work

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 26 March 2020 01:21 (two months ago) link

NYT:

All of the city’s more than 1,800 intensive-care beds are expected to be full by Friday, according to an official briefing obtained by The Times. A 1,000-bed hospital ship is not scheduled to arrive until mid-April, but makeshift facilities at the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center could be ready in a week.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 March 2020 11:59 (two months ago) link

hmm yeah, sneaking a puppy that size onto the plane would be tricky

absolute idiot liar uneducated person (mh), Thursday, 26 March 2020 17:08 (two months ago) link

It's hard to pick out the most brutal detail from this overview of Bill de Blasio's horrible March, so I'm just going to go with ... this entire paragraph.https://t.co/t06jHoz8Od pic.twitter.com/KqzEbzXkwU

— Derek Thompson (@DKThomp) March 27, 2020

mookieproof, Friday, 27 March 2020 19:23 (two months ago) link

Too many politicians seem to think their only job is to soothe idiots.

Yerac, Friday, 27 March 2020 19:26 (two months ago) link

that seems to win elections

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 March 2020 19:40 (two months ago) link

New York state on Friday recorded an additional 134 coronavirus deaths, the largest number to date in a 24-hour-period.

As of Friday, 519 people have died statewide. New York state now has 44,635 confirmed cases of COVID-19, an increase of 7,377 overnight.

Speaking from the Javits Center in Manhattan, Governor Cuomo said the news was not unexpected. There are now some coronavirus patients in New York who have spent a month on ventilators.

"The longer you are on a ventilator, the less likely you are going to come off that ventilator," Cuomo said.

Of the total people who have tested positive, 1,583 are in intensive care units, which are hospital beds equipped with ventilators.

The state is aiming to raise the total hospital bed capacity from 53,000 to 140,000. During his press conference at the Javits Center on Friday, Cuomo thanked the team comprised of FEMA, the Army Corps of Engineers and the National Guard that have been retrofitting the convention center into four field hospitals with 1,000 beds. The beds will be used to free up space at existing New York City hospitals.

https://gothamist.com/news/coronavirus-updates-de-blasio-says-half-new-yorkers-will-become-infected-covid-19

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 March 2020 19:43 (two months ago) link

cuomo and deblasio should've known better earlier. They aren't the liquidized walnut level of Trump but they waited too long.

Yerac, Friday, 27 March 2020 20:03 (two months ago) link

xps let's not forget the mayorss own trip to the Y for a workout hours after advising against such outings

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 27 March 2020 20:16 (two months ago) link

#BREAKING: We just won the release of 106 incarcerated clients - New Yorkers especially vulnerable to #COVID19 - from technical parole holds at Rikers Island. Cc: @TMLuongo @CoreyStoughton @marie_defender @Michelle_Mc_G #FreeThemNow pic.twitter.com/fqjB1wZI7G

— The Legal Aid Society (@LegalAidNYC) March 27, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 March 2020 20:24 (two months ago) link

thread title is becoming a little too literal

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Friday, 27 March 2020 20:29 (two months ago) link

cuomo and deblasio should've known better earlier. They aren't the liquidized walnut level of Trump but they waited too long.

― Yerac, Friday, March 27, 2020 4:03 PM (fifty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

the fact that cuomo is the breakout star of this, despite doing a measurably worse job than very many other governors by every possible metric, is proof if proof were need be that a daily televised press briefing will take you a long way in this country.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 27 March 2020 21:03 (two months ago) link

cuomo comes across as prepared and reliable on tv, but I think a lot of people really don't appreciate where we are on the curve and how ugly the situation is going to get. he's going to be accountable for some percentage of what's coming.

de blasio managed to both make stupid decisions and look bad even when he didn't need to do much to look like he cared. it's genuinely amazing that someone who is so bad at politics fell into the job. he will go down as the worst nyc mayor in modern history.

iatee, Friday, 27 March 2020 23:57 (two months ago) link

I know it's a hard decision to shut down a major city, esp nyc but they seriously had this happen to other cities beforehand. I have no clue why they thought the outcome would be different.

Yerac, Saturday, 28 March 2020 00:43 (two months ago) link

my mom, in pennsylvania, has texted me about admiring cuomo

(i told her to fuck off that he's better than trump, but good lord what a low bar. give me inslee)

mookieproof, Saturday, 28 March 2020 00:45 (two months ago) link

they saw him on the television

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 March 2020 00:47 (two months ago) link

(Rudy was worse than BdB, you clown)

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 March 2020 00:47 (two months ago) link

i know it goes without saying, but helena bonham fucking christ essentially any random person off the street would be better at this than trump, but

mookieproof, Saturday, 28 March 2020 00:49 (two months ago) link

DeBlasio said on TV tonight that April's gonna be worse than March, and May might be worse than April.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 28 March 2020 01:01 (two months ago) link

well, i mean it's good they are finally being realistic.

Yerac, Saturday, 28 March 2020 01:03 (two months ago) link

Rhode Island Police to Hunt Down New Yorkers Seeking Refuge

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/rhode-island-police-to-hunt-down-new-yorkers-seeking-refuge

Alba, Saturday, 28 March 2020 01:23 (two months ago) link

I wonder when the doctor will tell me coming for chemo is too risky

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 March 2020 01:27 (two months ago) link

I've seen the map of cases by neighborhood, and religious funamentalism is a helluva drug

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 March 2020 13:11 (two months ago) link

Have other Brooklyn ppl had the Mandatory Wiring/Equipment service call I just had from V3riz0n? It was on, then it was off, then I found out it was definitely on when they arrived. I need my phone and web badly, so I feel like I had no choice but to let em in. I wonder at what point they'll suspend these visits?

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 March 2020 16:45 (two months ago) link

This is from this morning. I know certain jobs like first responders/ medical staff/ grocery store employees/ etc. have to get to work but NYC, what are we doing with packed platforms??? #whatisnewyork pic.twitter.com/V5ufNHoeQC

— WhatIsNewYork (@whatisny) March 27, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 March 2020 16:52 (two months ago) link

They’ve cut service due to sick conductors and lack or ridership. Really cool. Maybe nows not the best time for that?

dan selzer, Saturday, 28 March 2020 17:11 (two months ago) link

NYT (shut down the fucking park gatherings and the goddamn houses of worship, for fuck's sake):

New York City officials are expected to decide this weekend whether to impose $500 fines on residents flouting social-distancing rules during the coronavirus outbreak by gathering in large groups at parks and ignoring police orders to disperse.

Mr. de Blasio also said that a few houses of worship were continuing to hold religious services and that they risked fines or having their buildings permanently closed if the police found congregations in them this weekend.

The mayor also said he was working with state officials to freeze rents this year for 2.3 million tenants in rent-stabilized apartments.

Officials said late Friday that the number of coronavirus cases in New York City had climbed above 26,000. The city’s death toll was 450.

At least 500 New York Police Department employees have tested positive, and more than 4,000 officers — about 11 percent of the uniformed work force — were out sick on Friday, officials said.

In a force of 36,000 officers, that translates to an infection rate of about one in every 80 officers, or about 1.2 percent.

Officials also reported the first death of an officer in the department: Detective Cedric Dixon, who worked in the 32nd Precinct, in Harlem, and had worked for the department for 23 years.”

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 March 2020 19:30 (two months ago) link

I hear hundreds of NYPD have tested positive for the Coronavirus.

When the funerals begin they should bury them in these shirts. pic.twitter.com/dJuPveVbNH

— William Gillis 🏴 (@rechelon) March 27, 2020

mookieproof, Saturday, 28 March 2020 19:37 (two months ago) link

This RI thing is so weird.

Yerac, Saturday, 28 March 2020 19:37 (two months ago) link

the city should've been endorsing universal masking (even handmade) like weeks ago.

Yerac, Saturday, 28 March 2020 19:39 (two months ago) link

RI and Kansas now have stay-at-home orders

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 March 2020 20:20 (two months ago) link

If you have health insurance in New York, are you covered in RI if you’re hospitalized for coronavirus? Or in NJ? More generally, is health insurance in one American locale usable in others? Despite living in the USA for almost 40 years I don’t know, because I never lived near a state border and didn’t travel much domestically. I remember that things cost more “out of zone”, but I don’t know what zones are.

Joey Corona (Euler), Saturday, 28 March 2020 21:01 (two months ago) link

i believe so, yes. but regular/scheduled things would likely be 'out of network', which would be more expensive (but probably still covered to a certain extent)

mookieproof, Saturday, 28 March 2020 21:25 (two months ago) link

Oh God, we are going to be reading a lot of smug articles like this from now on: "Why I Am Not Leaving New York"

https://www.vogue.com/article/why-i-am-not-leaving-new-york

I can think of better reasons not to leave New York than an insufferable feeling of being a Real New Yorker TM. Think of all the people still working in supermarkets, transit, etc that can't leave because their jobs are here and they are working with the public everyday. Or people who don't have the option of a second house to escape to. Or people who don't have the money to go somewhere else. Reasons based on practicality and not snobbery.

Virginia Plain, Saturday, 28 March 2020 21:39 (two months ago) link

also leaving is nonsensical on its face. you risk spreading the virus elsewhere, for what?

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 28 March 2020 21:55 (two months ago) link

People think they haven't got it yet, so leave to where they think they're less likely to get it. A gamble, possibly stupid, definitely selfish.

Alba, Saturday, 28 March 2020 22:15 (two months ago) link

self-preservation is an understandable instinct

I didn't leave bcz I couldn't, really

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 March 2020 22:16 (two months ago) link

yeah, people will need to check about their insurance if they go out of state. I learned that the hard way that if you have blue cross blue shield for ex. there are like a thousand versions of it.

Yerac, Saturday, 28 March 2020 22:21 (two months ago) link

or they might not take the obamacare version of it.

Yerac, Saturday, 28 March 2020 22:23 (two months ago) link

My insurance card says right on the back "This member has limited benefits [read: go fuck yourself] outside of New Jersey."

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 28 March 2020 23:13 (two months ago) link

the parks really need to stay open, people just need to be fucking smarter.
putting cops out by the entrances appears to be breaking up groups if my last visit is any indication.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 29 March 2020 00:53 (two months ago) link

New: NYPD has nearly 700 positive coronavirus cases; about 12% of the workforce out sick

— Jim Sciutto (@jimsciutto) March 29, 2020

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 29 March 2020 01:42 (two months ago) link

cops are kind of the sweet spot for traveling around and interacting with lots of people while being totally cavalier about taking any precautions.

circles, Sunday, 29 March 2020 02:28 (two months ago) link

Also believing they are gods/invincible

In a meeting with the shelter’s director and staff, Ward even asked if residents could get gloves and masks.

“They just said it wasn’t in the budget,” he said. “After they said that, I had to shut my mouth because now I know they don't care.”

https://gothamist.com/news/living-20-room-nyc-homeless-face-high-risk-coronavirus-spread-congregate-shelters

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 29 March 2020 19:28 (two months ago) link

hopefully the people making masks in nyc will distribute them to the centers and on the street.

Yerac, Sunday, 29 March 2020 19:40 (two months ago) link

I have been getting mail and parcels w/out interruption. Youse?

https://gothamist.com/news/mail-coronavirus-staffing-postal-service-covid-19

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 April 2020 15:38 (two months ago) link

people who play april fools prank, even before this, are the worst.

Yerac, Thursday, 2 April 2020 15:38 (two months ago) link

mail seems to be fine but no one sends me shit and i dont order much online

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 2 April 2020 15:40 (two months ago) link

i get a lot of packages, no problems as of yet

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 2 April 2020 15:53 (two months ago) link

Navy ship is useless thus far... NYT:

Such were the expectations for the Navy hospital ship U.S.N.S. Comfort that when it chugged into New York Harbor this week, throngs of people, momentarily forgetting the strictures of social distancing, crammed together along Manhattan’s west side to catch a glimpse.

On Thursday, though, the huge white vessel, which officials had promised would bring succor to a city on the brink, sat mostly empty, infuriating executives at local hospitals. The ship’s 1,000 beds are largely unused, its 1,200-member crew mostly idle.

Only 20 patients had been transferred to the ship, officials said, even as New York hospitals struggled to find space for the thousands infected with the coronavirus. Another Navy hospital ship, the U.S.N.S. Mercy, docked in Los Angeles, has had a total of 15 patients, officials said.

“If I’m blunt about it, it’s a joke,” said Michael Dowling, the head of Northwell Health, New York’s largest hospital system. “Everyone can say, ‘Thank you for putting up these wonderful places and opening up these cavernous halls.’ But we’re in a crisis here, we’re in a battlefield.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/nyregion/ny-coronavirus-usns-comfort.html

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 3 April 2020 11:18 (one month ago) link

i can tell who doesn't read their eating ass newsletter in a timely manner.

Yerac, Friday, 3 April 2020 18:22 (one month ago) link

look it's a difficult time for all of us

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 3 April 2020 18:31 (one month ago) link

and it really shows.

Yerac, Friday, 3 April 2020 18:37 (one month ago) link

no need to brown nose the establishment

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 3 April 2020 18:47 (one month ago) link

My dad was a Queens paramedic long ago and still listens to the dispatch radio as background noise. He was wondering last night why he heard dispatchers start spelling out the names of streets. Mystery solved https://t.co/iHkSaOHyPP

— sethmpk (@sethmpk) April 4, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 4 April 2020 19:55 (one month ago) link

iatee, Sunday, 5 April 2020 15:24 (one month ago) link

gah not good at zing

iatee, Sunday, 5 April 2020 15:27 (one month ago) link

are there actually more sirens or am i imagining that

mookieproof, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 20:10 (one month ago) link

there is less noise in general on the streets so the sirens stand out

treeship., Wednesday, 8 April 2020 20:13 (one month ago) link

like right now i am hearing a baby crying from--seemingly--an apartment on the other side of 9th avenue

treeship., Wednesday, 8 April 2020 20:14 (one month ago) link

usually that wouldn't happen

treeship., Wednesday, 8 April 2020 20:14 (one month ago) link

treesh otm

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 23:24 (one month ago) link

I’m pretty into this clapping thing

calstars, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 23:42 (one month ago) link

Ugh

silby, Thursday, 9 April 2020 00:02 (one month ago) link

i've concluded the roar of motorcycles for 18 hours a day on my epically long street is just ONE guy, so I need to mess with his brake fluid.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 April 2020 00:05 (one month ago) link

Probably Cuomo

Virginia Plain, Thursday, 9 April 2020 01:50 (one month ago) link

clapping in the bar [Started by calstars in April 2020]

mookieproof, Thursday, 9 April 2020 02:53 (one month ago) link

several points of note:

How to get your groceries (being regularly updated) - https://ny.eater.com/2020/4/6/21208622/nyc-grocery-delivery-guide-coronavirus

Some are small scale and involve bicycles or hand carts to circumscribed neighborhoods; others are massive operations with fleets of trucks that cover the city and parts of New Jersey and Westchester, or involve shipping by FedEx or UPS. None are cheap, but some offer a few bargains. The emphasis may be on premium groceries and boutique produce, but on the positive side, some make closer connections between farmers and the food consuming public. And remember to tip — delivery and grocery store workers are among the most vulnerable populations in the city right now.

"COME DOWN THE BLOCK DE BLASIO"
https://nypost.com/2020/04/08/hecklers-demand-test-treatment-from-de-blasio-at-bronx-hospital/

Full absenteeism voting for June state primaries is a go, you fucking well know we would've voted for Bernie you fucking shitheels
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2020/04/09/coronavirus-in-nyc-update-new-yorkers-can-now-vote-absentee-in-june-primaries

Moe Albanese of Albanese Meats is dead to COVID, that dude was a local legend
https://ny.eater.com/2020/4/9/21214819/moe-albanese-butcher-little-italy-coronavirus

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:03 (one month ago) link

so fucked we haven't even voted yet.

Yerac, Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:05 (one month ago) link

who gives a shit what new yorkers think, we're not real americans

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:06 (one month ago) link

except we make the media and house the statue of liberty and rebuilt (slowly) after 9/11 and survived Sandy and are slogging through a pandemic and create the culture and embody the melting pot and symbolize the first thoughts of america to most of the world but hey fuggit

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:08 (one month ago) link

Third consecutive day of record death toll in New York. Not sure why it plateaued at the weekend. Maybe people aren't allowed to die then.

Alba, Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:33 (one month ago) link

there's the thing going around in other countries where the ppl doing the counting don't ingest numbers over the "weekend" so there's a bump or revision on monday and tuesday. prob the same thing here

You can't expect people to count corpses on Sundays - they've got to get to church.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:52 (one month ago) link

ulysses I'll see your NYC and raise you one DC

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:07 (one month ago) link

respect to anybody who slogs it out there too!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:20 (one month ago) link

with the obvious notable exception of the administration

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:20 (one month ago) link

I am suuuuure

On Thursday afternoon, Governor Andrew Cuomo assured the hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers who are struggling to file for unemployment benefits during the COVID-19 pandemic that his administration is doing everything it can to streamline the process. "The system just crashed because of the volume, it's one of those unanticipated consequences of a situation like this," Cuomo told reporters. "We're working with Google to come up with an online mechanism that bypasses any phone certification. You have the phone certification because you want to make sure that people who are applying are also qualified."

But lawmakers and legal experts say that this emphasis on eligibility to prevent overpayments—with weekly phone check-ins and prohibitions on part-time work—is a huge reason for the bottleneck in the first place....

https://gothamist.com/news/cuomo-unemployment-insurance-system-website-google-coronavirus

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 April 2020 22:43 (one month ago) link

"working with google"???

silby, Thursday, 9 April 2020 22:45 (one month ago) link

who else

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 April 2020 23:13 (one month ago) link

google’s partner verily was also supposed to get testing program up and running by early March and it has gone nowhere

Dan S, Thursday, 9 April 2020 23:35 (one month ago) link

At the daily briefings when they ask the unemployment system fail question I have little confidence in the woman to cuomo’s left who always answers, but I can’t tell exactly why. She seems nervous ? Admittedly I wouldn’t want that job

calstars, Thursday, 9 April 2020 23:51 (one month ago) link

I wouldn’t want my job to bring me within 100 yards of Andrew Cuomo let alone 6 feet. He seems like a throwing-staplers kinda guy.

silby, Thursday, 9 April 2020 23:55 (one month ago) link

dickhead

BDB: "[Open streets] is not enforceable the way we need it to be and it disrupts other important things we need at the moment."

He urges New Yorkers to keep "bobbing and weaving."

I hate this guy.

— Second Ave. Sagas (@2AvSagas) April 10, 2020

mookieproof, Friday, 10 April 2020 14:34 (one month ago) link

So I read this, about the worst affected NYC zip codes and googled 11368 to find it's an area of Queens actually called Corona. Forgive my ignorance as a recent arrival but I honestly assumed someone had fiddled with Google Maps as a prank.

Alba, Friday, 10 April 2020 15:21 (one month ago) link

rosie queen of corona

<3

Second place goes to the lemon ice king of corona obv

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Friday, 10 April 2020 15:32 (one month ago) link

indeed he does rule

also where Louis Armstrong lived for decades
https://www.louisarmstronghouse.org/

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 10 April 2020 16:17 (one month ago) link

oh, I totally forgot about Corona, Queens.

Yerac, Friday, 10 April 2020 16:22 (one month ago) link

it is where the Mets play (not Flushing)

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 April 2020 16:27 (one month ago) link

i am a bad queens resident.

Yerac, Friday, 10 April 2020 16:30 (one month ago) link

I wrote about the sirens https://t.co/geMSB6RHyU

— Samer (@Samer) April 10, 2020

mookieproof, Friday, 10 April 2020 19:03 (one month ago) link

in corona yo it's better to take than to receive - ju ju

adam, Friday, 10 April 2020 20:19 (one month ago) link

No systems fail question today sadface lolz

calstars, Friday, 10 April 2020 20:55 (one month ago) link

every time I see this I feel like I am living in an entirely different city because I haven't consciously registered a single siren since this all started

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Saturday, 11 April 2020 04:50 (one month ago) link

(and there are several hospitals near me, my zip code is in the middle in terms of COVID cases; there's no reason why I wouldn't hear sirens, and yet I can't remember a single one)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Saturday, 11 April 2020 04:52 (one month ago) link

Essential workers were waiting for the subway on a crowded platform. The NYPD told people to socially distance even though they literally couldn't.

One man told the police that they couldn't spread out and THIS is how they reacted.

Absolutely outrageous and dangerous. pic.twitter.com/1RbTDZ6tej

— Real Justice (@RealJusticePAC) April 10, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 11 April 2020 13:48 (one month ago) link

Andy-Billy slapfight will never stop, this time about school year ending

https://gothamist.com/news/coronavirus-updates-april-11-de-blasio-claps-helpers-bellevue

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 11 April 2020 21:06 (one month ago) link

(and there are several hospitals near me, my zip code is in the middle in terms of COVID cases; there's no reason why I wouldn't hear sirens, and yet I can't remember a single one)
are you wearing headphones

calstars, Saturday, 11 April 2020 21:35 (one month ago) link

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/10/nyregion/coronavirus-help-healthcare-workers.html

“You see people donating pizza to hospitals over and over,” Father Merz remarked. “How much pizza does anybody really want? Who needs 3,000 granola bars?” Hospitals constantly dealing with triage don’t have the bandwidth to manage the random delivery of food at unscheduled hours. He and Mr. Sheehan devised a plan to circumvent this kind of inefficiency, to feed Woodhull’s staff and also try to address the pandemic’s secondary crisis, the explosion of unemployment within the city’s restaurant industry.

They went to Josh Cohen, owner of Jimmy’s Diner in Williamsburg — north Brooklyn is restaurant country — who had closed his place and boarded it up. He lent his kitchen. North Brooklyn Angels rehired the cooks and dishwashers that Mr. Cohen had to lay off when he was forced to shutter. These workers prepare meals for Woodhull to be delivered three times a day. Mr. Cohen and Mr. Sheehan and a band of retired firefighters deliver them, each driver taking enough food to feed 100 people at a time. The operation began with 300 meals a day, this week, then almost immediately ratcheted up to 450 as military medical personnel arrived to assist the efforts at Woodhull. The plan is to keep scaling up from there; an Episcopal church on Long Island is working on replicating the model.

In Sandy’s aftermath, Father Merz was among the organizers of some of the most prominent relief efforts, efforts drawing from strong networks and deep embeds in communities, of the kind later studied by the Department of Homeland Security for an understanding of how so much volunteer work succeeded where bureaucracy could not. Some of what he saw immediately after the storm baffled him. “We were doing Sandy stuff out of my church,’’ he said. “One day, it’s 5 o’clock and I’m sitting here drinking a Pabst and I see someone reeling in a Ping-Pong table. A Ping-Pong table! I’m like, Do you really think anyone needs a Ping-Pong table, in the Rockaways? Now?”

That quote was actually punctuated by a liberal number of profanities.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 12 April 2020 20:09 (one month ago) link

https://gothamist.com/news/move-over-pizza-rat-heres-rat-eating-rat

“They start killing and eating each other right inside that nest,” he noted. “When things just aren’t available, and they get hungry. It’s the nearest rat that’s smaller and weaker that will be the protein.”

And if a rat colony were to take the risky step in infringing on another rodent colony’s turf—the result of an exodus from a food-depleted part of the city—expect a battle to break out.

“They will not give up that territory without a big battle,” said Corrigan, who’s personally witnessed such beefs occurring between rodents well before the coronavirus crisis. “It’s like something out of Ben-Hur.”

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 14:14 (one month ago) link

me too, across the street

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 April 2020 23:34 (one month ago) link

Just heard the first one 15 minutes ago

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Monday, 20 April 2020 23:36 (one month ago) link

1 in 62 people in New York City have tested positive for coronavirus, 1 in 235 people in New York City have been hospitalized for coronavirus, and 1 in 582 people in New York City have died from coronavirus, according to data from the city and the US Census Bureau.

— Ryan Struyk (@ryanstruyk) April 21, 2020

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 21:14 (one month ago) link

devastating numbers, what a failure of leadership

silby, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 21:19 (one month ago) link

mta death count is now over 80

mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 21:24 (one month ago) link

jesus are those tweet numbers accurate?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 22:02 (one month ago) link

1 in 582 dead would be about 12,000 people. So yes.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 23:00 (one month ago) link

"I think I've been specific about it," de Blasio says when asked the specific reasons why NYC is different from other cities that have closed streets to cars.

— Erin Durkin (@erinmdurkin) April 22, 2020

He says in California, drivers stop at intersections even when there's no light or stop sign, and they stop for people crossing mid-block. There's a different culture in NY. CA people - is this right?

— Erin Durkin (@erinmdurkin) April 22, 2020

mookieproof, Wednesday, 22 April 2020 15:40 (one month ago) link

failure to yield to peds is ticket + points in CA (as of like 3 years ago) WHICH IS WHAT IT SHOULD BE. the difference is enforcement for whatever reason. the NYS should be fining drivers constantly.

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 15:44 (one month ago) link

the sad thing is this is a historic opportunity to make progress here and we're giving it up because we have an idiot mayor

iatee, Wednesday, 22 April 2020 15:44 (one month ago) link

It’s too bad he’s an idiot :(

silby, Wednesday, 22 April 2020 15:45 (one month ago) link

yeah the thing we're absolutely having confirmed rn is that deblasio is remarkably flopsweaty in crisis

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 15:46 (one month ago) link

America’s Mayo

silby, Wednesday, 22 April 2020 15:46 (one month ago) link

do you guys remember when this guy actually ran for president

iatee, Wednesday, 22 April 2020 15:49 (one month ago) link

he has neither rose nor shone

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 15:49 (one month ago) link

where are the cops?

https://gothamist.com/news/ultra-orthodox-hasidic-yeshivas-classes-brooklyn-coronavirus

― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, April 22, 2020 5:16 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

driving around the park doing nothing

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 15:51 (one month ago) link

I once had to talk myself out of a jaywalking ticket in Los Angeles. I explained that I was from New York and only visiting L.A. for the summer and that (plus my whiteness) did the trick.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 15:52 (one month ago) link

do you guys remember when this guy actually ran for president

― iatee, Wednesday, April 22, 2020 8:49 AM (six minutes ago)

Wow I don’t

silby, Wednesday, 22 April 2020 15:55 (one month ago) link

Can we hate-read all the essays mentioned here?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/stop-writing-why-i-left-new-york-pandemic-essays_n_5e9fa07bc5b6b2e5b839dcd3?28q

Virginia Plain, Thursday, 23 April 2020 00:27 (one month ago) link

no one has ever had an adequate explanation for deblasio. Ever.

Ira Einhorn (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 23 April 2020 00:55 (one month ago) link

The guy he was running against said we should kill kittens on the subway tracks (that man was right... but!)

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 23 April 2020 01:14 (one month ago) link

Can we hate-read all the essays mentioned here?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/stop-writing-why-i-left-new-york-pandemic-essays_n_5e9fa07bc5b6b2e5b839dcd3?28q

― Virginia Plain, Wednesday, April 22, 2020 5:27 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

that mira jacob comic is just terrible. no thought of any value going on in there

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 April 2020 01:39 (one month ago) link

all of jacob's work i've seen is not good, that is also not good

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 23 April 2020 01:44 (one month ago) link

^^^^^ otm

Ira Einhorn (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 23 April 2020 01:48 (one month ago) link

years ago, early in bdb's administration, i had drinks with a (lefty) woman who's worked in city government for a while -- she was all like, bloomberg was a pain in the ass, but if he said something, you could be pretty sure it would happen. but even if di blasio weren't clueless, he's an absolutely shit executive

mookieproof, Thursday, 23 April 2020 01:52 (one month ago) link

even a random half-assed political operative would have stopped the park slope Y thing years ago ffs

mookieproof, Thursday, 23 April 2020 01:55 (one month ago) link

Sad but true

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 23 April 2020 04:29 (one month ago) link

This was so good. It happens to be about a restaurant but the general sentiments apply to so many NYC scenes, like existential dread for the future but also recognizing how exhausting it was to maintain some kind of integrity even before all this... https://t.co/tWOTI15tMB pic.twitter.com/ZYwYHjrIA9

— Emily Witt (@embot) April 23, 2020

mookieproof, Thursday, 23 April 2020 19:31 (one month ago) link

wow, yeah.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 23 April 2020 20:16 (one month ago) link

went there last year (for the first time!!)

sensational article.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 23 April 2020 20:27 (one month ago) link

yeah, the part that i read in the tweet is really great.

Yerac, Thursday, 23 April 2020 20:49 (one month ago) link

Important Absentee Voting Update for June 23 Election. pic.twitter.com/oSR18JqZnf

— NYCBoardOfElections (@BOENYC) April 24, 2020

mookieproof, Friday, 24 April 2020 16:45 (one month ago) link

I just submitted my form yesterday! This is, of course, better news.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 24 April 2020 17:21 (one month ago) link

The guy he was running against said we should kill kittens on the subway tracks

also that Bloomberg servant/bellowing horror Christine Quinn

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 24 April 2020 18:08 (one month ago) link

and tacking back to less horrific
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/nyregion/coronavirus-liquor-stores-nyc.html

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 24 April 2020 21:40 (one month ago) link

brad lander otm:
"Leading with policing to address a public health crisis is just not the answer"

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 17:13 (one month ago) link

Socially distanced. Spiritually connected.

— Andrew Cuomo (@NYGovCuomo) May 1, 2020

mookieproof, Friday, 1 May 2020 20:47 (one month ago) link

thank God Andy's too reptilian to be president, eh

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 May 2020 20:49 (one month ago) link

Probably yeah.

o. nate, Friday, 1 May 2020 20:55 (one month ago) link

don't tempt fate...

Nhex, Friday, 1 May 2020 21:08 (one month ago) link

NY Review of Books has it about right:

Prior to the pandemic, his reputation was that of a top-dog machine politician par excellence—a bullying, controlling, charmless power broker, reviled by progressives, accepted by Republicans, and tolerated by the rest

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2020/05/14/andrew-cuomo-emergency-responder/

o. nate, Friday, 1 May 2020 21:10 (one month ago) link

when the nyse reopens, it will ban people who took public transit to get there

jfc

https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2020/05/15/the-coming-carmaggeddon-will-our-leaders-solve-nycs-transportation-problem

mookieproof, Friday, 15 May 2020 21:38 (two weeks ago) link

Just wanna have some fried chicken

calstars, Saturday, 16 May 2020 02:32 (two weeks ago) link

So looks like I am officially one of those leaving NYC people, moving to westchester

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 24 May 2020 18:59 (one week ago) link

I don't know if I was ever really an NYC person, but the one appeal of the city -- supposedly a music scene and lots of musicians to play with -- became increasingly fleeting, as the neighborhood I could afford to live in with my family, even on a lawyer and teacher's salary, had few musicians, no practice spaces, and no places to play. This feeling was sealed talking to a friend in the town I'm moving to, who says he actually finds it easier both to find other musicians and make friends in the town he lives in now than he did in Brooklyn.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 24 May 2020 19:01 (one week ago) link

Here's your hat.

Spocks on the Run (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 May 2020 19:04 (one week ago) link

NO MORE BIRYANI FLASHY FOR U! BYE SUCKA LOL

calstars, Sunday, 24 May 2020 19:10 (one week ago) link

ironically, the city may now become cheaper and more habitable for musicians again. I honestly hope it does! It's just not for me anymore, working dad me trying to raise kids etc.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 24 May 2020 19:19 (one week ago) link

lol, calstars

Spocks on the Run (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 May 2020 19:22 (one week ago) link

when i lived in nyc - late 90s, early 2000s - it was pretty terrible for live music for exactly the reasons you mention, man alive. there were a few venues downtown (luna lounge, brownie's, arlene's etc) and some weird warehousy spaces in brooklyn but practice spaces were hard to find and expensive.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 24 May 2020 19:36 (one week ago) link

I went to Astoria Soundworks for the last time right before the lockdown, wonder if they are still open in some capacity, website doesn't say they are closed.

Spocks on the Run (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 May 2020 19:44 (one week ago) link

yeah even then I remember it being tough, or at least early 2000s, which was sort of the peak of my band life. There were still more venues and practice spaces than there are now, but there was this feeling that, compared to other cities, no one really gave a shit about you unless you were the hype of the moment, not much of a sense of "scene" or ease of developing a following. There were the Todd P and other DIY type shows, and I'm sure there's some equivalent now that I'm just not keyed into as an old guy, but I'm not even talking about being in a "real band" and being in a "scene" anymore, I just mean having a fucking basement so people can come over to play, instead of, like, booking a 2-hour window two weeks in advance and having to split up the payment five ways and drive 20 minutes to get there and spend another 20 minutes looking for parking, and then looking at booking shows at some crap bar in a different borough because it's the only place you can find that would book you easily.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 24 May 2020 19:48 (one week ago) link

This is how all of these issues are related - closing the beaches, closing pools, closing cooling centers, not opening up more space outside for people. It's all related. It's an urban system that is failing because the person in charge doesn't understand how the system functions

— Second Ave. Sagas (@2AvSagas) May 27, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 May 2020 00:19 (five days ago) link

People Like Amy Cooper Are Why I Left New York City

Newark is awesome. I hope people like Amy Cooper stay scared of it forever.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 28 May 2020 01:54 (five days ago) link

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

"For the next few months, people are going to make their own choices. Some people are going to be comfortable on mass transit, some are not." -@BilldeBlasio

— Erin Durkin (@erinmdurkin) May 28, 2020

mookieproof, Thursday, 28 May 2020 17:42 (five days ago) link

"Some people are going to be murdered, some are not. It's New York! Fuhgeddatboutit!"

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 28 May 2020 17:49 (five days ago) link

It's the repertory movie theaters and the restaurants that are keeping me here

― Josefa, Friday, May 10, 2019 9:13 PM (one year ago)

Welp

Josefa, Friday, 29 May 2020 01:16 (four days ago) link

about 85% of why i am here is on hold

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 29 May 2020 01:50 (four days ago) link

yup

Trouble Is My Métier (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 29 May 2020 01:52 (four days ago) link

same phenomenon in London. a lot of people wfh every day asking themselves, why am i here in this pokey apartment?

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 29 May 2020 07:54 (four days ago) link

not my kind of place, but: foley's is closing for good

mookieproof, Friday, 29 May 2020 16:50 (four days ago) link

Not NYC, but mookie may appreciate: DC's Post Pub is closing for good

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 29 May 2020 20:46 (four days ago) link

i don't think i ever went there! as long as the big hunt still lives . . .

mookieproof, Friday, 29 May 2020 21:13 (four days ago) link

Post Pub was more divey, despite location.

Hard to imagine the big hunt kicking it, but who knows?

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Saturday, 30 May 2020 00:25 (three days ago) link

thrilled to get a curfew alert in my hospital bed

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 01:03 (eleven hours ago) link

NYC police scanner has been pretty crazy to listen to right now

Evan, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 03:55 (eight hours ago) link

that's here btw: https://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/32890

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 04:21 (seven hours ago) link

not seeing any other way to read mass arrests and looting downtown other than as a total clusterfuck; curfew appears to have escalated the situation radically.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 04:31 (seven hours ago) link

Shocking!

all cats are beautiful (silby), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 04:36 (seven hours ago) link

it was a phenomenally dumb move. Sounds like a major peaceful protest in Brooklyn came off without a problem but Manhattan got ugly.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 04:48 (seven hours ago) link

and now these fuckers are going to stage an 8pm curfew for tuesday
i am in full on "can't sleep clown will eat me" mode. no idea how this city and its people are going to recover over the next few weeks.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 05:01 (seven hours ago) link

the areas being hit - soho, union square, herald square - are predominantly the homes of the rich and hang out spots for tourists and knucklehead teenagers; it's gotta be like 95% the latter doing the looting.

Feels like a very organized effort tonight - kids have turned up with hammers and big bags, they have spotters on the corners and cars ready to go. Group of about 500 kids now running up Fifth Ave looting whatever they want pic.twitter.com/vP97YCLis7

— Rachel Olding (@rachelolding) June 2, 2020

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 05:21 (six hours ago) link

which is to say - and i know i'm preaching to the choir here but it feels worth noting - that the protestors are not driving or motivating this looting

Some young men just tried to loot an Aldo on 5th Ave when other protesters grabbed them, pulled one guy out the store window, and made them stop. An argument about looting then ensued. #NYCProtest #GeorgeFloyd pic.twitter.com/cQaG7GHMtR

— Liam Stack (@liamstack) June 1, 2020

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 05:25 (six hours ago) link

I’m rooting for the looters. Those kids are having fun out there.

all cats are beautiful (silby), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 05:30 (six hours ago) link

i could give a shit about macy's but those kids having fun out there are allowing nyc residents and world media to associate anti-brutality protests with smash-and-grab robberies which couldn't be more counterproductive.

bonus: a significant number of those kids having fun out there are gonna get their heads cracked open and/or potentially catch a felony when nypd decides to go over the tapes.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 05:37 (six hours ago) link

and hey not for nothing but given that we've all been in full quarantine lockdown in this city for nearly three months and we've just had a buffet of local violent attacks by the cops on protesters, maybe full-on fucking looting in manhattan is maybe a bit more anarchy than any of us are down for at this precise moment.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 05:41 (six hours ago) link

silby for presidetn

i will FP you and your entire family (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 06:18 (five hours ago) link

God forbid

all cats are beautiful (silby), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 06:45 (five hours ago) link

I don’t think my “property crime is fine” plank is much of a winner

all cats are beautiful (silby), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 06:46 (five hours ago) link

abolish property, eradicate property crime

massage angry pixels (sic), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 07:27 (four hours ago) link

garnish police brass wages to insure looted businesses

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 11:58 (six minutes ago) link

Fifth Ave chains can all burn with my blessing

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 11:58 (five minutes ago) link

Police scanner was invaluable last night

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 11:59 (five minutes ago) link

Fifth Ave chains can all burn with my blessing

― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, June 2, 2020 4:58 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

basically how i feel about looting in manhattan

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 12:02 (two minutes ago) link


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