"I cannot start my day with a confrontation" The 2017 ILX Film Poll Voting Thread - Ballots Due Sunday, March 4th at 7pm EST.

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Send ballots to i l x 2017 film poll @ g ma il . c o m

Maximum of 25 votes, minimum of 10. All weighted, with first at the top of the list and on down. Please do not number them, as it makes the tabulating process tedious and I always forget to mention that.

Anything that was screened in a cinema is eligible*, just remember that if it only played in a film festival near you or it was a reissue of an old movie it will probably not place, or you might split the votes between this year and next year when it is released, but it's up to you.

*Yes, Twin Peaks screened in a cinema, all of it, so there you go.

Ballots in by 7pm EST on March 4th (Oscar Night), so putting it all together will give me something to do during the broadcast other than tweet.

Yay!

When you say screened in a cinema do you mean screened in a cinema in any country in the world?

That question is very confrontational.

I can't do a full ballot, but I can put together at least 10.

Is Twin Peaks one slot or 18?

Thanks for doing this again Gukbe.

When you say screened in a cinema do you mean screened in a cinema in any country in the world?

― i know kore-eda (or something), Saturday, February 3, 2018 2:17 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes. Not restricted to US (Academy) rules.

Is Twin Peaks one slot or 18?

― Tarr Yang Preminger Argento Carpenter (Eric H.), Saturday, February 3, 2018 3:29 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think Lynch sees it as one movie, and anyway, for those who don't consider it TV, I imagine they'd look at it as one work. So yes, it all counts as one. Anyone throws an "Episode 8" or what have you on their ballot, I'm gonna go ahead and count it as an entry for the full. If they list several episodes, I'll count the highest and discard the rest.

As far as streaming films goes, I think they've mostly all had some sort of limited release to quality for Academy Awards. I know Mudbound played in DC, and the Baumbach had a run in LA and NY. Those shouldn't be an issue.

xp glad we've established that it's E8 that's the next level one

sweet, sent my ballot in, 25 was fun. i didn't feel comfortable putting twin peaks in my top 10 at the expense of actual movies but w/e

this is before i can do a rewatch of Nocturama, so i won't be voting.

always in a fucking hurry...

(also TP is bullshit and will win)

nice of you to fix it, gukbe

If it's good enough for cahiers du cinema, it's good enough for me (also we have the precedents in this poll of the OJ doc and Arabian Nights) - if anything I wonder if this year there'll be a significant number of voters that would do away with the theatrical screening rule, so they could vote for Gerald's Game or whatever

Cahiers du cinema? Seriously?!

Arabian Nights had a cinematic release (it was shit, so the only crime was to like it). I wasn't impressed that OJ and now TP will get in. Its a fix, why don't we just do a cinema/TV poll then?

Thanks Gukbe for doing it but come on.

Maybe you can get a Javascript applet that will strip Twin Peaks out of the final ranking and move everything else up one.

The first two episodes of Twin Peaks was shown in cinemas, and it's hard arguing against that as a pure cinematic experience. And once that box is opened, better just clump it all together. It's great, but I won't be voting for it, but it'll definitely place, but we all know the true winner is The Florida Project and/or Janbal.

The whole thing was shown in a cinema

"Yes Darling, But is It Cinema?"
A mini-explanation by Gukbe

The first time I did this poll, I started with the idea that it would be based on Academy rules (commercial release in NY or LA for at least a week in the calendar year). The idea was to limit the number of films eligible and level the playing field (if someone saw a film at a festival and nobody else would see it until the next year, it would dilute the vote by spreading it over years, etc). This was obviously unworkable, if only because other countries have different release dates. For instance, Ladybird isn't out in the UK until March. So I relented, and even if it wasn't necessarily fair to a film that it was screened at a festival (You got to go to TIFF? Awesome, but most of us don't), it would be an arbitrary distinction. So, let people vote for what they feel to head off complaints.

So what's the restriction? Most of us can't see Nocturama in the theater, but there it is, streaming on Netflix. The best I could come up with was that as long as it had a public screening in a cinema, it counts. O.J. felt more TV to me, but it was screened. Twin Peaks is somewhat similar, because even though Lynch considers it a movie, and it wasn't really written episodically (the Bang Bang Club epilogues felt like they were added in rather than part of the whole), I watched it week by week and that's a different experience for me. Other arguments are available, including the excellent Nick Pinkerton piece linked in the Detrius thread. But really, the whole thing was screened at MoMa, so how could I not include it without it being arbitrarily taking a side and not wanting to include it in the results?

If you don't think it counts, make an argument and convince people.

And sorry, Morbs, but I can't dwell on the previous year longer than 3 months.

I'm still working on 2015.

but there it is, streaming on Netflix

ah so that's who sponsors this poll

the whole thing was screened at MoMa

Was this some cynical cash-in? Who were the suckers who went?

They hold free screenings of notable films near the end of the year; I think Twin Peaks was part of that series.

fwiw, were we running this back in their respective years I don't think Berlin Alexanderplatz or Fanny and Alexander or Carlos should've been on the poll. They were made for TV, whatever its cinematic qualities (also whether Lynch considers it a film or not is neither here nor there - it lived on a different format, whatever the odd screening at the cinema might otherwise say) xp = cool thanks. Here Berlin Alexanderplatz got a screening or two. I mean that's fine if you wanted to see it that way and its part of a retro, it just lived in a different way.

I'd rather have a poll anyway - just remarking the result will be odd.

Well personally I'm gonna be voting for stuff that I didn't get to see in a theatre but watched on MUBI or bluray, so I'm already a sinner in thinking something can live in more than one way

But even if TP wasn't obviously better film in 2017 than "film in 2017" was, it placing would still be valuable for annoying the type of person that would be annoyed by it

Well, this has got off to a good start

I'm only going to vote for stuff I watched on my smartphone this year so my ballot is mostly going to be made up of Luke Cage episodes

Berlin Alexanderplatz, Fanny and Alexander & Carlos were all released first in cinemas in the US.

Was this some cynical cash-in? Who were the suckers who went?

At least four critics and two civilian Lynchdorks I know, and about 344 others. Full theater for 3 days.

Carlos was also screened here - the shorter theatrical version (F&A has one as well). Counting those would be to their detriment, depends on the edit.

Twin Peaks was shown in cinema first in France.

So much hand-wringing over something that takes care of itself. With or without Twin Peaks, it seems fairly obvious to me that Phantom Thread will win. Excepting myself and a couple of other people, there's been universal swoon over it on ILX.

Rest assured: I'll do what I can to get A Quiet Passion, The Ornithologist, or The Lost City of Z up there.

Same, plus Personal Shopper and Nocturama

I can't think of anything better 2017 movies than the 5 just mentioned there.

does L’Économie du couple count as a 2017 movie?

Personal shopper feels like it came out ages ago (I still haven't seen it)

I thought it was brilliant, and along with Nocturama and A Quiet Passion it will be my top 3.

Of the following films, which are eligible:

Toni Erdmann, Certain Women, Personal shopper, elle, the handmaiden,the love witch, hell or high water

I think you'll find that at least three of those 'placed' last year, but hey everything's eligible

so i encourage votes for any and all Welles films

Last year's results, fwiw ...

Toni Erdmann	475	18
Manchester By The Sea	379	15
American Honey	300	10
Moonlight	297	11
Things to Come	271	10
Paterson	247	11
Cameraperson	244	9
Embrace of the Serpent	239	10
Certain Women	223	8
Elle	216	9
O.J.: Made in America	209	6
Silence	206	9
Love & Friendship	186	9
The Handmaiden	185	8
Cemetery of Splendour	178	5
The Witch	168	8
Arabian Nights	165	5
I Am Not Your Negro	163	7
Green Room	160	8
Hell or High Water	143	8
The Assassin	143	5
The Neon Demon	141	7
I, Daniel Blake	137	6
Son of Saul	129	5
Hail, Casear!	118	5
Victoria	115	6
A Bigger Splash	114	4
Mountains May Depart	112	4
The Other Side	111	4
The Measure of a Man	108	4
Hunt for the Wilderpeople	92	6
Weiner Dog	91	4
Everybody Wants Some!!	85	5
Little Men	85	5
Childhood of a Leader	83	3
Knight of Cups	83	4
Fire At Sea	82	4
No Home Movie	82	4
Sunset Song	82	3
The Death of Louis XIV	81	3
Loving	77	4
20th Century Women 76	5
Arrival	73	5
Sieranevada	72	2
The Fits	71	4
Jackie	70	4
High Rise	69	3
The Lobster	68	4
Sing Street	66	3
Anomalisa	65	3
Maggie's Plan	65	3
Indignation	63	3
Tower	63	3
Pearl Button	62	2
Rams	57	4
De Palma	56	2
The Love Witch	56	2
Zootopia	56	3
Our Little Sister	50	3
The Club	47	3
Eisenstein in Guanajuato	46	2
Aferim	45	2
La La Land	42	2
Train to Busan	41	2
A Quiet Passion	40	1
Being 17	40	1
Visit or Memories and Confessions	40	1
Weiner	39	2
Chevalier	38	2
The Woman Who Left	38	2
Deapool	37	2
Under the Shadow	37	2
When Marnie Was There	37	2
White Girl	36	1
Tale of Tales	35	3
Dirty Grandpa	33	1
Julieta	33	2
Mustang	33	2
The Nice Guys	33	1
The Red Turtle	33	2
Remainder	32	2
My Golden Days	31	3
Happy Hour	30	1
Kubo and the Two Strings	30	1
Nocturnal Animals	30	2
Standing Tall	30	1
Hypernormalisation	29	2
Right Now, Wrong THen	29	2
The Illinois Parables	29	2
Captain America: Civil War	28	1
Cosmos 28	1
Scarred Hearts	28	1
Keanu	26	2
Nothing Left Unsaid	26	1
The Greasy Strangler	26	1
The Wialing	26	1
Evolution	25	2
Ixcanul	25	1
Kate Plays Christine	25	2
Men and Chicken	25	2
Popstar: Never Stop Never Stopping	25	2
Supersonic	25	1
Swiss Army Man	25	1
Couple in a Hole	24	2
In the Last Days of the city	24	1
Lemonade	24	1
Mapplethorpe: Look at Pictures	24	1
Queen of Katwe	24	2
Triple 9	24	1
Into the Inferno	23	1
Mimosas	23	1
The Edge of Seventeen	23	1
The Invitation	23	1
A Lullaby to the Sorrowful Mystery	22	1
Aaaaaaah!	22	1
Author: THe JT LeRoy Story	22	1
Christine	22	1
Florence Foster Jenkins	22	1
Passengers	22	1
The Treasure	22	1
Dog Eat Dog	21	1
Kaili Blues	21	1
The Son of Joseph	21	1
Tickled	21	1
Your Name	21	4
Histoire(s) Du cinema 20	1
The Ornithologist	20	1
Girls Lost	19	1
The Hateful Eight	19	1
Don't Think Twice	18	1
Neruda	18	1
Not Film	18	1
10 Cloverfield Lane	17	2
Aquarius	17	1
Creepy	17	1
Eat That Question: Frank Zappa...	17	1
King Jack	17	1
Nocturama	17	1
Serena	17	1
A Town Called Panic: Back in School	16	1
El Sur	16	1
I Am Not A Serial Killer	16	1
Louder than Bombs	16	1
The Jungle Book	16	1
Doctor Strange	15	1
Don't Blink	15	1
In the Shadow of Women	15	1
Captain Fantastic	14	1
Harmonium	14	1
Le Fils de Joseph	14	1
My Friend from the Park	14	1
Neon Bull	14	2
Other People	14	1
February	13	1
Star Trek Beyond	13	1
Sully	13	1
Janis: Little Girl Blue	12	1
Sweet Bean	12	1
Hacksaw Ridge	11	1
Halfway	11	1
Microbe and Gasoline	11	1
The Happiest Day in the Life of Olli Maki	11	1
The Sundial Carved with a Thousand...	11	1
Uncle Kent 2	11	1
American Pastoral	10	1
JLG/JLG	10	1
The United States of Love	10	1
Godless	9	1
King Lear	9	1
Sweaty Betty	9	1
Cafe Society	8	1
One Sings, the Other Doesn't	8	1
The Untamed	8	1
In the Realm of the Sense	7	1
Papusza	7	1
The Last Family	7	1

I see The Death of Louis XIV got some votes last year.

This year too

Yeah thanks I knew I'd voted for some of those last year but they definitely didn't get a British release til this year

Perhaps we should make something that placed in the previous year ineligible for the following. I dunno seems unfair on some but I don't wanna vote toni erdmann film of the year 2 years running eg (tbh I might have it at 2 or 3 this time around but still)

Has anything got votes 3 years running yet?

Perhaps we should make something that placed in the previous year ineligible for the following.

I strongly disagree w/ this. I purposely didn't vote for Toni Erdmann last year because I knew I would want to to vote for it in this year's poll, 2017 being the year it got a cinema release in Britain and the year that I first saw it.

I also didn't get to see Scorsese's Silence until the very beginning of 2017, but I didn't include any of the staggered release movies that I also loved in early 2017 (Julieta, Toni Erdmann, Elle). I guess I go by Oscar qualifications, cf. Personal Shopper, which came out in the USA in March 2017 and didn't qualify for the Oscars despite opening in many other countries in 2016. And yeah honestly I feel like putting Twin Peaks in is fishy, as much as Lynch says it's one long movie it's not, it wasn't made for the cinema, it was made for television. I still put it on my ballot because this is a message board poll and I loved Twin Peaks and ultimately idgaf but it's definitely not the same as Fanny and Alexander, which had a 3 hour theatrical cut released to theaters in America before anyone had access to the TV version. anyway

Perhaps we should make something that placed in the previous year ineligible for the following.

I strongly disagree w/ this. I purposely didn't vote for Toni Erdmann last year because I knew I would want to to vote for it in this year's poll, 2017 being the year it got a cinema release in Britain and the year that I first saw it.

― Agharta Christie (Ward Fowler), Sunday, 4 February 2018 20:46 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag

I'm cool with that but it means I'm going to vote for a few films I voted for last year

Toni Erdmann WON last year? i am getting better at forgetting the results of these polls almost instantly.

these slo-mo releases are a good argument for delaying such decisions til July.

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Poll sent!

Ballot sent!

You guys are voting so early! Have you seen everything? There’s still time to watch some good stuff by female directors:

My Happy Family
On Body and Soul
By the Time It Gets Dark
Berlin Syndrome

I have a ballot ready to go, but I'm holding off sending it until March 1st or so.

I can't see The Florida Project until February 20, so I have to wait until then at least.

But, seriously, those four I listed are very good. I don't want to be the only one who votes for them!

I def wanted to see On Body and Soul when MUBI was showing it but I didn't get round to it. Missed By the Time It Gets Dark in its one week run. Sadly there is only so much time.

I put The Nothing Factory in my ballot.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jan/28/the-nothing-factory-review-unconventional-workplace-drama

This was like a summation of a lots and lots of political cinema of many colours, and its very knowing on how boring as well as exciting a lot of it was.

You guys are voting so early!

I always think of this as a poll of the films I saw in 2017, so in theory could have submitted my vote on Jan 1st. There's always next year's poll!

I put The Nothing Factory in my ballot.

I avoided this because the Glasgow Film Theatre booklet compared it to Gomes' The Arabian Nights, which I largely disliked, but based on your description I regret that now.

Its miles better than The Arabian Nights, whose 1st part I caught and also despised (oh they are both Portuguese and left-wing! So bloody lazy).

It's very much in the same tradition as Arabian Nights, a tradition that goes from Antonio Reis and gives so many Portuguese films such an ethnographic dimension. There's a bunch of Portuguese documentaries a lot like it, and you see aspects of it in Pedro Costa and Joao Pedro Rodrigues as well, just to name two other major Portuguese filmmakers.

Pedro Costa has a completely different rhtyhm and his films are the result of a specific project and even a politics (there is much empathy for the poor and it delves into Portuguese history and colonial history but its also very resigned about it all as well).

no Ward, no. eg, Phantom Thread is not a 2018 film, not no way, not nohow.

UK Release Date: Friday 2 February 2018

pish tosh

Just looked through the list from last year. I'm voting for at least four that got votes last year.

Also noticed that one of them, Eugene Green's The Son of Joseph, got one vote in English and one in French! Let's consolidate our votes this year, Green fans. Pick a language!

Tomorrow is the two-year anniversary of the premiere of The Son of Joseph. Great film.

It is great, and the most openly comic film of his I've seen. Of course there's comedy in all his films, and obviously Le monde vivant was pretty silly, but this one is classic farce.

"How do you feel about hipsters?"

"I hate them."

"Me, too!"

The Nothing Factory was some hot, flaming bullshit, and this is from someone who thinks Arabian Nights is one of the best films ever. To compare them is criminal. If you want to watch a film that will clumsily attack you for daring to watch it, for three fucking hours, be my guest. Dismal

And yeah, of course I'm aware the effect was intentional. That doesn't mean that the execution was good or that I'm happy to have been subjected to it

If you compiled all the scenes that took place outdoors then you'd have a decent ambient short tbf

Glad I'm holding my ballot. I've seen Good Time and Nocturama so far this week.

Really, really happy you hated The Nothing Factory, Louie. Tell me you didn't walk out? That's even better.

Or if you did please tell me it was around the 20+ min scene of the Capital I-intellectuals talking around the dinner table. I knew one or two ppl would walk at that and right enough.

Oh I stayed till the end, buddy

I'm aware the Intellectuals bit was meant to be satirical, but the point was so heavy-handed. 'film attacks its own bourgie audience' has been done, oh, very slightly better ;)

Some people did indeed leave during that bit btw

It wasn't satire. Its partly a play on some of the 60s/70s political films. Mainly and basically though talking about what is going on should be fine for the audience -- who are mostly educated (in the sense they come in with some familiarity with Marxist texts and current affairs) -- they ought to be staying with it. Especially given what happened later.

Every one of its intellectual flourishes was subsequently deflated - seemingly on purpose - but not in good ways. We are shown how the main guy is a horrible prick to his wife, the musical bit is a daft contrivance, the workers' discussions go in futile circles. Some of the actual theory was sound but nothing new - the rest felt like antagonism. For a film about the Struggle it really didn't seem to have many answers

It doesn't pretend to have any answers and you should not start looking for it ina film (you basically look for edgy stuff - hence the ambient comment - anyway). The worker discussion is documentary and it's exactly the kind of thing you should be listening to. They seized the means of production. Musical functioned as a break and it often has a part in certain political films.

Guy being a horrible prick to his wife is your male feminist logging on.

God knows how Fred is gonna sort this out.

Why would I sort it out? I saw it in a competition of debut films, I thought it was a promising but flawed film that seemed fairly typical of Portuguese cinema.

Just thought you had all the answers, that's all.

Weekend Bump

Saw and was inspired by too few new films to vote, though they didn't include Get Out or The Work or The B-Side or, I expect of greater relative interest to me, Mudbound or BPM or Ex Libris or The Four Sisters. I typically enjoyed the half-Varda and to a lesser degree Soderbergh and Winterbottom, but found them less interesting slight returns to somewhat familiar territory (same for the 2016 Assayas, which I saw that year too, though it might be worth a second look), and the Grateful Dead movie I more than willingly sat through four hours of was as advertised both long and a little strange but not quite a trip. Lady Bird was not without its minor charms, but I suspect I would have enjoyed a lot more with Gerwig rather than Ronan in front of the camera, and ultimately I was tempted to deem it the vaguely-indie coming-of-age-comedy cognate of the comic-book/sci-fi films whose artistic merit appears to have been inflated by whatever cultural importance there may be in their being helmed by and/or starring women and/or African-Americans, less interesting or substantive than, say, the more adult Columbus. Same goes for The Florida Project, which I found too aggressively awful in content, milieu, and lack of any particular point I cared to discern to be attentive to the extent to which it may have been well made by anyone other than the adult leads. While I'd felt similarly about previous McDonagh work, the somewhat-accidentally-seen Three Billboards felt sufficiently meatier in its storytelling and mild convention-subversion to overlook the complications and light weight; I suspect Wind River probably was too. The Hong movie seemed a bit more interesting than those I'd seen previously, but not enough to bother me that I was dragged out of it early on content grounds. My favorite 2017 film (excluding 2016s not seen in that year like Cameraperson or especially Robinson Devor's fairly compelling Pow Wow) was probably The Other Side of Hope, which felt most of and responsive to the moment.

Same goes for The Florida Project, which I found too aggressively awful in content, milieu, and lack of any particular point I cared to discern to be attentive to the extent to which it may have been well made by anyone other than the adult leads.

????????

not entirely wrong

Lady Bird was not without its minor charms, but I suspect I would have enjoyed a lot more with Gerwig rather than Ronan in front of the camera, and ultimately I was tempted to deem it the vaguely-indie coming-of-age-comedy cognate of the comic-book/sci-fi films whose artistic merit appears to have been inflated by whatever cultural importance there may be in their being helmed by and/or starring women and/or African-Americans

entirely wrong

Saw Good Time last night! Lovely nerve-shredder. I cried at the end

entirely wrong

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, February 19, 2018 11:25 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It may be that I'm just insufficiently suburban in origin, female in gendering, millennial in generation, or Catholic in upbringing to have more than modest feeling for a film that competed with food and drink, etc. for my attention as many increasingly do, but even putting aside the fact that for all her very good work Ronan never entirely registered as Sacramentian, the whole thing just felt less real than even the comic-book take of Ghost World, for which I had less feeling even before a recent screening highlighted its fairly reactionary/not a little creepy script. Part of that may also have to do with the slightly peculiar lightness with which Gerwig's (or, I suppose more appropriately, her teenaged/post-collegiate characters') happy-go-lucky vision/persona treats life's difficulties, but again I find that treatment more convincing when she embodies it herself.

The slightly peculiar lightness is a sensibility I've encountered more than a few times in adulthood, and only rarely have I seen it incarnated onscreen as fully as Gerwig does. Couple this sensibility with the editing and Ronan's acting chops and the result was a small miracle.

Ronan never entirely registered as Sacramentian

I didn't exactly feel that (someone like Christine could exist anywhere in the US, and it's up to the movie to show us what kinds of people there are), but if Ronan's own origins were creating some interference, that could work in its favour given that Christine is always dreaming of being away from Sacramento.

Yeah, sorry, I just saw a very good performance of teenaged suburban American identity rather than someone actually acquainted with it. It wasn't necessarily the specific geography I was hung up on, though I do tend to care about such things, but I did, like Richard Brody (who offhandedly appears to agree with me about Gerwig's absence), miss the absence of much specificity - https://www.newyorker.com/culture/richard-brody/greta-gerwigs-exquisite-flawed-lady-bird.

absence/presence

Voted.

Sent mine!

GG was not going to play a 17-year-old. Ronan's fine.

Not going to vote until the deadline, but I generally vote for anything I’ve seen prior to the poll even if its UK release was later as I don’t like to get left out of the US voting current and risk the lower placement or missing out of things I loved.

Really appreciate Cherish’s list upthread - I’ll definitely try to see at least one of those before voting. Any other suggestions for probably-missed films? The more intense the better. I have limited patience for slowcore atm

'limited patience for slowcore' waaaait we saw A Ghost Story like yesterday and you LIKED it

but yeah we're going to watch something tonight and it might as well be from that list, although I'm angling for Paddington 2

I DID NOT necessarily know what I thought of it beyond disconsolate crying.

Someone save me from Paddington 2

On body & soul was good!

From the fest here I liked kékszakállú and the forest of lost souls

I also recommend voting for twin peaks

By the Time It Gets Dark is pretty slowcore, fyi. Also my least favorite of the four.

Have you guys seen Wonderstruck?

I have not! It is not on my radar at all. Would you recommend? Thanks for the advice too. Definitely going to try and watch On Body and Soul and Berlin Syndrome before the deadline.

For now we are watching I Am Not a Witch, but everything mentioned is getting added to the list.

Paddington 2 is great, unless you hated Paddington 1

Paddington 2 is so deeply moving and emotional that it transcends traditional categorization

Would you recommend?

I do recommend it! It's a kids's movie, really, but carefully and cleverly designed for film buffs -- with its two story lines filmed in two distinct styles.

I think you'll really like the other two also. I'm always happy to pass on good movies!

Wonderstruck doesn't really work, but I kinda admire Haynes for trying it.

I’ve not gotten around to some key movies yet but I want to vote for Ex Libris. Hmmm...

Wonderstruck is a minor work by Haynes, still pretty good though.

Yeah. I went in with no expectations and was surprised how much I liked it. It's a very simple story, sure, but visually fun. And that young deaf actress is extremely good.

I Am Not A Witch was superb and you should all subscribe to the BFI player and see it. Really unusual and risk-taking but it pretty much all comes off. And it's totally hilarious

also, [Mr Peanutbutter voice] I *loved* Paddington 1!

Paddington 2 is, then: great

accurate

i spose this is better than stanning for the bloody 'days of empire' movies

Bump. Theoretical final week of voting. Work just threw some stuff at me though so I'll know by Saturday.

btw deadline was bumped a week last year...

I apologize to wins for telling him to blow me on last year's thread. I deserved his opprobrium.

I've forgotten how the weighting works. If you put fewer films on your ballot, will the ones that are left be given more juice?

No, you're just denying the films lower on the ballot any points. 1=40, 2=36, etc...

voted!

we've been seeing filmz

call me by your name is an excellent movie about summering in italy and it features a lot of really excellent birdsong

Haha morbius I don't doubt it, no need to apologise tho cmon

imago/tt and any others looking to catch up over the weekend, I v much recommend watching Dawson City, Frozen Time - a highlight of my cinemagoing last year and deserving of a place

(fundamentally tho I recommend everyone stop playing themselves and vote for twin peaks obv)

excerpted from a major film journal's year-end request email:

...if you could send me a top ten, ranked, of your choice for annum 2017, based on films that premiered (in festivals or cinemas or on Showtime), that would be great...

some of us have seen only 2/18 of TP:TR, categorization be damned

Vote for it anyway

saving it for TV poll

everyone i know that saw Dawson City: Frozen Time said they liked it but found the music super treacly and almost unbearable

I can't call the music to mind- it was a sigur ros guy right?

Simon's quote is unsurprising I think serious venues are quite aware of how undistinguished a year 2017 is once you ignore the filmic event of the year

Obviously it's excellent to be more bothered about whether things are filed correctly tho 😎

I have two episodes left in TP:TR and it wouldn't even occur to me to vote it best of the year.

i still haven't recovered from xyzzzz calling the nothing factory better than arabian nights and i doubt i can tbh, that's the kind of cognitive dissonance you don't come back from

everyone i know that saw Dawson City: Frozen Time said they liked it but found the music super treacly and almost unbearable

― flappy bird,

This is another one I sorta liked but started looking at my watch after 50 minutes.

BPM, The Other Side of Hope, Phantom Thread: all distinguished.

BPM not out til April here ☹️

Faces places not out til idk never

Other side of hope very high up in my ballot if I actually get around to doing one instead of just trolling

Yeah: Faces Places not out in UK till September. Maybe Morbs is right and the balllot should be held next century.

But you guys are so close to France!

I do still stand by my half-time assessment that 2017 has not been a vintage year. I'm sure deficiencies in my cinemagoing are partly to blame but there has felt like a lack of strength in depth: looking at my ballot there's a top 8 or so I really feel strongly about but in previous years it's been a struggle to cull it to 25.

2017 was an all time great year for Danish cinema, but a bad year for festival films which is what normally fills my ballot. Looking at the Cannes list, for example, there's really only a couple film I liked.

Sent

we just saw 'the party'! it was...unsubtle. but fun.

tt: "like you"

Ballot sent. Went for the full 25 after all. Sneaked A Fantastic Woman in.

Someone else is voting for Detroit and England Is Mine, right?

them 2 along with Baby Driver were like a spiritual experience to me. i.e like going to church and listening to a paed delivering a sermon on morality.
Just joking, haven't seen any of them tbh.

How long precisely until ballots have to be submitted?

Just watched On Body and Soul. It was completely different to anything I had imagined it would be...sort of a muted, magic realist melodrama. What a bizarre career the director seems to have had. Does anyone know her other work and if it's at all similar in feel to this? The whole experience was quite overwhelming! That definitely shakes up my top 10.

Ballot sent. Went for the full 25 after all. Sneaked A Fantastic Woman in.

oh wow! I found it maudlin and commonplace.

Just saw it today and loved it. As well as the amazing lead performance, it has an subtle hallucinatory feel to it from the soundtrack and photography.

Gloria really stayed with me, if it's as good as that one was it'll be on my ballot next year

it looks like his next movie is a Hollywood remake of Gloria with Julianne Moore.

I sincerely apologize that this is happening again, but a combination of Donald Trump, Bibi Netanyahu, and now a tragedy in my life means I can't do this tomorrow night. I'm extending the deadline a week (again). So if you want to catch up with Princess Cyd on Netflix, go for it. Deadline is now next Sunday night.

Be well and best wishes, Gubke.

and thanks for the heads up about Princess Cyd being on Netflix - I missed that one at festivals last year & in its brief theatrical run last summer.

sorry, Gukbe

take all the time you need :)

Yeah, take all the time you need, Gukbe. Best wishes :)

Just watched On Body and Soul. It was completely different to anything I had imagined it would be...sort of a muted, magic realist melodrama. What a bizarre career the director seems to have had. Does anyone know her other work and if it's at all similar in feel to this? The whole experience was quite overwhelming! That definitely shakes up my top 10.

― tangenttangent, 4. marts 2018 01:26 (eleven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

There's a magical realist feel to all of it, but the muted feeling is new. My 20th Century is a forgotten gem, the rest is not really that good.

Thanks! I’ll definitely watch it based on that. Mutedness isn’t something I usually appreciate (although definitely in this context), so I’ll be interested to see what peaks she can reach!

Best wishes to you, Gukbe.

On Body and Soul was not released in the US til 2018, i believe

but by all means let the goddamn Oscar nominations lead you

It's weird imo that you'd assume people are led by oscar noms as opposed to, say, release dates in the countries we live in

I know you're very strict about films not being considered to exist until they have been shown in the theatre nearest your apartment tho

Feels bad, having movies come out first in other countries, doesn't it?

that's a good criterion, wins

On Body and Soul's reputation seems much grown since it was released in UK cinemas. I found it more of a curio than a film of the year.

I liked it fine, but it's not making my list.

A friend messaged to tell me that she had also watched On Body and Soul last night. I think this means that I am a deer.

Best wishes to you, Gukbe. Is it ok if I send a revised ballot? I've been able to see a couple more 2017 releases since I sent my first one in.

Yeah, if anyone wants to revise their ballot, go ahead.

All the best, Gukbe.

Bump. Final 3 days.

Voted!

Still hoping to squeeze in Coco before I resubmit. Is it Sunday 7pm EST again?

11pm est

So glad I saw Coco in time.

Sorry for sending four versions of my ballot, Gukbe. That really is it now.

sent!

Voted!

Putting together my ballot I found it was a better year than I thought, for me: few obvious standouts but a bunch of films I liked quite well. I had to cut a few for space that I liked about as much as anything in the lower part of my ballot

just sent mine in

revised ballot sent

holy shit, Double King is ten minutes of your time on Youtube incredibly well spent

Voted :)

me too!

lmao I just realised I completely forgot about new haneke

I remembered that I'd forgotten about it.

it was only released here last week, for a one-week twice-a-day run in one theater with broken seats

I know that sounds like a metaphor but it's not.

i remembered to skip it

I'd missed the post about the life stuff. Sorry, Gukbe! Hope you're OK.

Apologies for the delay. It's all tallied. I need to find time this week for the rollout. Got work and doctor's appointments and prep for an impromptu trip plus moving, so I can't guarantee a good UK/US friendly time. Will aim for Tuesday and Thursday.

just post whenever you can, tension is fun

Tension? What tension? We all know that Florida Project and Dunkirk will win.

Best of wishes, Gukbe, don't worry about Danish time :)

No worries if you can't make Tuesday or Thursday, Gukbe. Roll it out when you can.

Just checking that I didn't miss this.

should be April 15 every year :)

gukbe clearly undergoing some major life shit atm

I hope gukbe is all right. sending love to you g, if you are reading this.

Same.

Yup.

Is there any desire to re-poll if gukbe is not returning?

yeah i'd like to

I still have my ballot, and now I can include the IMDB 2017 films that didn't open until this year. Bonus.

wellll, i won't be including any that weren't released in NYC in '17.

Sounds like a plan (plus I am catching Ex Libris this weekend so it could make it on very belatedly).

how about making Twin Peaks: The Return not eligible? I mean I know I voted for it but it really shouldn't be on here. yea I know it screened in NYC but come on. not that I didn't love it, but these lists are good resources for finding obscure stuff and movies that might've slipped under the radar

What year is this

I'll volunteer to receive ballots and tally if a patsy is needed.

(I'd also look at my own ballot and consider adding a dozen NYC '17 / wide 2018 or world '17 / USA & festivals 2018 flicks, except that I don't think we should set a precedent for removing Twin Peaks. Will totally calculate with and without both Peaks and Phantom Thread though.)

It’s still my #1 I reckon but even if it weren’t I’d be arguing for the non-uptight approach, as few restrictions as possible. It won’t make a difference 99.999% of the time anyway but like last year enough people wanted to vote for OJ made in America to get it just outside the top 10, it would have been weird to disallow it just cause some other people had quibbles. (ftr I also think people should be able to vote for movies that went straight to streaming if they want, whether or not they had that one screening somewhere that would arbitrarily make them exist)

true true

I'm happy to get another crack at my ballot, having seen everything that opened in 2017 in NY & LA but didn't make it here until jan/feb/march

I'll redo my ballot if given a chance -- I've seen a few more 2017 films since March.

I've seen a few more too, but nothing that would change my ballot. I'll happily resubmit if this is really going to happen!

does anyone know Gukbe off-ILX to check in and see if he's okay / happy for someone to take over?

I'll message him.

Gukbe's doing OK - on the mend but won't be doing the poll and sends his apologies. So if you want to pick it up sic, please do. I don't think my ballot will change much and Twin Peaks is definitely staying.

if Gukbe has already tallied it perhaps he can just send it to sic?

xp happy 2 hear hes doing ok :)

yes indeed.

Happy to resubmit my ballot - all this talk of re-doing lists is painful to me.

Best wishes to Gukbe, thanks for stepping up (sic.)

ILXmailed you, Alba.

I’ll redo my ballot, when do you need it by?

HEY GUYS

I have the old ballots, so if you don't want to change anything, just sit tight.

Anyone who wants to revise their ballot due to seeing more '17 releases in the last few months, belated embarrassment at your choices, or fury at The Discourse, please send me something by WEDNESDAY 18th July, 20:00 PDT / Thursday 19th 04:00 BST / Thursday 13:00 AEST.

nice work sic. I'm not changing owt, that's cheating!

btw reminder to Americans that Paddington 2 is a 2017 release

Where do we send revised ballots? Same gmail as prev ballot?

just ILXmail 'em to me, it's going to make it easier to tell the old from the new.

sent

btw reminder to Americans that Paddington 2 is a 2017 release

― kelp, clam and carrion (sic)

thank you :)

It's tempting to resubmit so I could not vote for Phantom Thread a second time, but go with what I have--went through my last-x-movies posts since January and couldn't see anything I'd want to add.

deadline at least a week OK?

I still haven't seen enough good movies from 2017 to feel confident about submitting a ballot, but I just checked out the title that I imagine will end up winning the poll from the library, so we'll see?

btw reminder to Americans that Paddington 2 is a 2017 release

― kelp, clam and carrion (sic), 14. juli 2018 23:47 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ugh, I wasn't going to change my ballot, but I kinda want to vote for Paddington...

I think 120 BPM is the only one I might add to my list.

Sent mine

is there any point in resubmitting to vote for Western or is everyone voting for it next year?

I can't find my ballot, but I think I voted for it this year.

If I finally get round to seeing it and like it, it’ll be on next year’s. I do have some standards (although I can never remember what they are)

I will be voting for Western in the poll of films we saw in 2018

Oh, thank you for reminding me of Western. It will be high on my list.

Western is quite emphatically a 2018 film here but I ignore that criterion all the time for films that come out in the early months of the year and that I know our stateside friends will be voting for because they saw it 9 months before we did. Obv I also vote for stuff that came out here that didn’t make it there yet, as an honest snapshot of my viewing and a corrective to the America-is-the-world chauvinism that leads to thread titles like THE LOBSTER (2016) - but I’m pretty sure at least once I have voted for the same film again in its year of global impact lol. & I vote for festival films fucking whenever cause I don’t give a shit

Staggered release dates continue to suck in the DCP era not least because of this annual conversation itt

Western did not receive a US theatrical release until this year.

Haha so only Fred saw it last year? I changed my mind then, we should all vote for it now

It thought it got released over most of Europe in 2017, so I'll doubt I was the only one who saw it in 17.

Btw, is there any chance I could get my ballot sent to me? I have no idea where I put it, and no idea what I voted for, and I really really really want to help Paddington.

a gravely miscalculated revive on my part

Paddington will win

Look what you did

Aw, come on. You know it's right.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7btUy4M3XaoZZATS/giphy.gif

I haven’t seen either of them! I’ve heard good things. Won’t speak for morbius but I have nothing against kid movies, just get peeved by the amount of cultural real estate they commandeer these days. We’re all having fun here

Oh, wait, found my ballot. Yeah, I voted for Western.

Western was in the 2017 Sight and Sound top ten, fwiw.

elitists

Re-submitted! Mostly just to re-order, because some wore better over time.

thread titles like THE LOBSTER (2016)

wow I saw this on a plane (that took off from US soil) in 2015

I haven’t seen either of them! I’ve heard good things. Won’t speak for morbius but I have nothing against kid movies, just get peeved by the amount of cultural real estate they commandeer these days. We’re all having fun here

The Paddingtons are absolutely "family" films, not kid films, and the balance is tipped much further toward adult viewers and film nerds in #2

btw USA, it's screening again in Regal theatres on Tuesday Aug 14 and Weds Aug 15, for $1

elitists

will vote Western then to stop Paddington winning

Probably too obscure. Try Dunkirk.

lemme tell you about a little film called Darkest Hour

Meh. Their Finest! Lone Scherfig, one of the great.

sent my revised ballot! also mostly to re-order

I redid mine from scratch before looking at my old one; discovered that the first four were the same with one order flipped. After two days I decided I was right before and flipped them again. (A whole bunch were dropped altogether.)

will send it along in a couple days

Me too

Wait, who are we sending ballots to this time?

sic, via ILX mail, apparently. Is it reliable?

A reminder that the shamefully overlooked The Other Side of Hope is available from the Criterion Collection.

That was one of the main reasons I wanted to send a revised ballot.

i applaud you

I wasn’t going to revise mine, did so to include The Other Side of Hope, and was surprised to realize it was in my top 3.

Is it reliable?

I've received five revised ballots so far

Wait, if I include Western then I should really include Jeune Femme. This whole thing is falling apart.

My general rule is that I'd rather vote for things I like in the year I think other people will vote for them if there's a choice. There doesn't seem to be anything to be gained from sticking to the year I saw them in an exercise like this, and I usually don't bother voting for something if it's already appeared prominently the year before because of a much earlier US release date.

think Western will probs do better next year, will be revising for The Other Side of Hope though

On the one hand, I really think we're overestimating how well Western would be doing, even if we all coordinated our votes. On the other, removing it would leave me space for Paddington. Hmmmm...

I think I'll throw in Jeune Femme too, just because my cinemagoing has ground to a sudden halt because of becoming a father, so I doubt I'll be submitting a 2018 ballot In fact, Jeune Femme was the very last film I saw before the baby came.

Jeunne Femme is the one that was also called Montparnasse Bienvenue, right? Good film, just slightly missed my ballot.

Yes, that's right. I don't know why they called it that in some territories: weird to choose a different title that's still in French.

Looking fwd to the countdown. I am making no changes and iirc sic said to sit tight.

Morbs its great that you revived the thread. :-)

Hope Gukbe gets works through whatever is going down.

Paddington, is that the thing about the bear? Just checking..

I believe it's known as Jeune Ours in some territories.

👍

Sent you my revised ballot

The Ornithologist better rank high. It's still on Netflix!

Was pretty high on my 2016 ballot...

it's a muddle

so is sex on a fresh water beach

that's a mudder

so is Bea Arthur

Just resubmitted!

anyone other than Morbs and Soto still planning on sending a revised or new ballot?

Yes, I will tonite!

sent!

I send one, I think?

Same

I was considering revising but I think I might as well let mine stand - i don’t think there’s anything I’d add anyway, I was just thinking of shuffling some things and maybe removing a couple

yes, got Fred and Eric's: I haven't been posting "received" notices because that's tedious for everyone else to open an updated thread for, but we've got 12 revisions in so far, with Alfred's still being read by System.

I guess i should've saved this revive for when my rewatches are complete in the fall?

lol,I feel my rewatching, rethinking, reordering is never going to be complete...

it never should be

Nope, which is why no better time than the eternal present to rank.

sent!

Alfred, yours still hasn't show up - can you try again?

Just sent a slightly revised ballot

I sent it to ilx2017filmp✧✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧!

That's Gukbe's account. You need to send it ilxmail (ie by clicking on sic's name then 'Send an Email to this User')

election interference from Miami!

Fraud complete!

Whatever gets Assayas near the top.

I did rewatch that recently just to make sure... Rosenbaum was right.

Yeah, I normally like Assayas, but thought Personal Shopper was just a big load of nothing very much. Still if it beats out the bear film, I'm all for it.

I would just like to make it clear that I probably would have voted for the bear film if I'd seen it, but I did not.

I don't even want to ask what the bear film is

Oh Morbiuspaws.

If we add a worst film vote, btw, mine is The Shape of Water

looking over a few year-end polls, i see a pig film, a rat film, a fishman film. no bear film

Three Billboards worst with a bullet, the blanket acceptance of its greatness i seemed to experience irl only reinforced it

xp - Paddington 2, I assume.

xp
mea culpa, due to an accounting error that wasn't showing up on my log. Actual worst, unranked:

Three Billboards
Song to Song
Blade Runner 2049

(these are all about 4/10, i don't have to see even more putrid films anymore as i am not a critic)

What is the pig film?

Okja, I assume. (How can I monetize this part-time work as a translator?)

Three Billboards and all those cops.

I got okja but I don’t know the rat film

It's literally called Rat Film so is a bit of a trick.

Can't believe I forgot Okja. I think Babe looms too large in my mind for another pig film.

Motel Hell is the only pig film you need:

http://wickedhorror.thunderroadinc.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Motel-Hell.jpg

Haven't seen Three Billboards, and I liked Blade Runner 2049 and The Shape of Water, so my worst/most overrated pick is The Florida Project.

Here is my list of offal.

Baby Driver my runner up for worst

No film with Ansel can be #worst

mediocre

it's hard to believe A Quiet Passion was only last year as i saw it at the NYFF '16

lol at Soto's revised ballot being exactly the same as his OG except with a different #24

That's low for Paddington :(

mine will likely have one new entry

understood - if you don't get yours in by the time I finish tallying, I'll add Paddington to the top.

never kid a kidder

when's the deadline? i am The catalyst, i should get at least a week.

it was 11pm last night NYC time

you're on fire today!

"I cannot start my day with a confrontation" The 2017 ILX Film Poll Voting Thread - Ballots Due Sunday, March 4th at 7pm EST.

well how the hell was i supposed to see that amidst all this chum and effluvia?

sent, you dastardly globetrotter

how many voters, sic?

looks like

TWENTY old voters who didn't want to revise, or didn't see the revive, or have quit ILX forever

SEVENTEEN of us who revised their ballots

...unless Frederik completely changed his entire ballot, as I don't have an old one that looks like his choices, and can't tell from an email address that anybody is him.

of all the ppl we don't want voting twice...

Is there a ballot w/ Bear film/Dunkirk at 1/2? That should be Fred.

oh, I have his new one

It's Dunkirk/Bear, actually.

And I only changed one vote so the old one should be recognizable. It had 'Your Name' at 25.

shit i should've put that on my ballot

wtf is Bear film

The Revenant. Hey, it premiered in 2017 in Denmark. Actually the topselling film of the year.

jesus, DiCaprio w/ Marty is bad enough

Lol, that was way off, Revenant is of course oscar bait 2016 and thr equivalent this year was La La Land. The best selling film of 2017 was of course the wookie film.

what's up, 3am crew. 614 valid votes cast, looking like it'll be a top 52 because of ties.

just got around to watching Ex Libris: The New York Public Library the night before last. didn't watch it in time for the vote, but hope to see it in the rollout

lol at Soto's revised ballot being exactly the same as his OG except with a different #24

― kelp, clam and carrion (sic),

Travel, etc.

If everyone's ready to move into the auditorium and take their seats, the results thread is about to begin.

Straw poll: who's for voting 2018 in February again, and who's for waiting until, say, June?

in on the first, happy to see it whenever it's done
PADDINGTON 2 y'all

would march be a nice compromise

February. I realize there's this compulsion for some to see everything before drawing up a list, but it's just a poll. If you miss something this year, you catch it next year. In general, I hate the modern tendency to rush everything--record and film reviews now, opinions now, year-end lists in early December--but February is perfectly reasonable. A year-end poll in June seems silly to me.

June was a proposed compromise against the much-loved July poll of this year

I thought June was fine esp as a counterbalance to October year end polls

Do it in Feb w/ the Oscars

i guess we won't know who made the real five-baggers unless oscar tells us

June

yeah June, fionnland has a good point about it breaking up the glut of lists/polls this time of year. and those movies that don't make it out of new york or la by march 2019 might be someone's favorite, it's happened to me. but oddly this is the first year ever where I've seen everything of note (except Cold War). somehow everything made it here by the end of the year. but this is the first time this has happened to me 15+ years after leaving new york.

February is perfect for me, personally. It gives me time to go to Gothenburg and catch up in January, and it means I get the list-making over with as the new festival year begins in Berlin. But ok, if the rest of you want to wait until June, I guess that's what we'll do.

ftr

Really, the solution is to always do the poll in late July so nearly everything that opens on one continent the previous year will have had 7 months to spread, like a social disease.

― Dr Morbius

Actually rather agree with the late July idea

― imago

Yeah I was gonna say we should do this in the middle of the year every year to avoid these double placements. I live in a mid-sized city in the USA and often get less than half of the prestige/quality art house films until early the next year, often going all the way into March.

[...]

Certain Women came out in Europe in March 2017, and was released on home video in June. this could've been avoided & could be in the future by delaying the poll til mid-summer

― flappy bird

Agreed that we should put off voting until at least July for the previous year.

― WilliamC

counterpoint:

thought about watching Coco before voting; too busy watching Twin Peaks

― Dr Morbius, July 2017

Morbs hasn't finished watching Twin Peaks yet, so if we hurry we can counteract any objections bcz he's obv still too busy to have watched any 2018 releases

I'm making a vaguely concerted effort to catch up w/ some now-on-streamings at the moment (Madeline² last night), and Shoplifters is coming to a tiny indie in late January, so I'm expecting to be happy both to vote and to run the poll in February (cutting off votes before the Oscars, rolling out a week or so after). But nobody in the delayed results thread this year argued against the expanded catch-up time!

April maybe?

as a compromise

Feb please. June was a one-off.

et tu Whiney

There was a thread recently where there was some debate over when the year-end film poll should be. I thought it would have been here, but I guess not.

Anyway, I wanted to run a political-film poll this summer. Is is possible for the year-end to be over and done with before then?

ayo clemenza

maybe not over and done before the summer, given the fairly whelming opinion to wait ages, but before July?

clicks "submit post," leaves flat to go and see a movie postulating that evil monsters could take over American politics and society by infiltrating the media

I think we should start April 1

That'd be fine, thanks. I'll be retired by then anyway, so really, it doesn't matter.