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The more I think about it, the more TIFF seems to represent the *real* kickoff for detrius season.

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Oh, and Venice.

Golden Lion – The Shape of Water by Guillermo Del Toro
Grand Jury Prize – Foxtrot by Samuel Maoz
Silver Lion – Custody by Xavier Legrand
Best Actor – Kamel El Basha for The Insult
Best Actress – Charlotte Rampling for Hannah
Best Screenplay Award – Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri by Martin McDonagh
Special Jury Prize – Sweet Country by Warwick Thornton
Marcello Mastroianni Award – Charlie Plummer for Lean on Pete

Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri is getting waaaaay more enthusiastic reviews than the early trailers had me suspecting.

And it just won the TIFF audience award.

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/toronto-film-festival-audience-award-three-billboards-1202561527/

Morbs is secretly filing detrius my way. Gotham Awards (earliest nominations of the year at this point)...

https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/5054-the-daily-2017-gotham-awards-nominations

BEST FEATURE
Call Me by Your Name
The Florida Project
Get Out
Good Time
I, Tonya

BEST DOCUMENTARY
Ex Libris – The New York Public Library
Rat Film
Strong Island
Whose Streets?
The Work

BINGHAM RAY BREAKTHROUGH DIRECTOR AWARD
Maggie Betts for Novitiate
Greta Gerwig for Lady Bird
Kogonada for Columbus
Jordan Peele for Get Out
Joshua Z Weinstein for Menashe

BEST SCREENPLAY
The Big Sick, Emily V. Gordon and Kumail Nanjiani
Brad’s Status, Mike White
Call Me by Your Name, James Ivory
Columbus, Kogonada
Get Out, Jordan Peele
Lady Bird, Greta Gerwig

BEST ACTOR
Willem Dafoe in The Florida Project
James Franco in The Disaster Artist
Daniel Kaluuya in Get Out
Robert Pattinson in Good Time
Adam Sandler in The Meyerowitz Stories (New and Selected)
Harry Dean Stanton in Lucky

BEST ACTRESS
Melanie Lynskey in I Don’t Feel at Home in This World Anymore
Haley Lu Richardson in Columbus
Margot Robbie in I, Tonya
Saoirse Ronan in Lady Bird
Lois Smith in Marjorie Prime

BEST ENSEMBLE
The 2017 Best Actor/Best Actress nominating committee has also voted to award a special Gotham Jury Award for ensemble performance to Mudbound. The award will go to actors Carey Mulligan, Garrett Hedlund, Jason Clarke, Jason Mitchell, Mary J. Blige, Rob Morgan, and Jonathan Banks.

BREAKTHROUGH ACTOR
Mary J. Blige in Mudbound
Timothée Chalamet in Call Me by Your Name
Harris Dickinson in Beach Rats
Kelvin Harrison, Jr. in It Comes at Night
Brooklynn Prince in The Florida Project

And, because TV is movies now ...

BREAKTHROUGH SERIES, LONG FORM
Atlanta, Donald Glover, creator
Better Things, Pamela Adlon and Louis C.K.
Dear White People, Justin Simien
Fleabag, Phoebe Waller-Bridge
Search Party, Sarah-Violet Bliss, Charles Rogers, and Michael Showalter

If I have a sight-unseen rooting interest this year among detrius, it might be Laurie Metcalf in Lady Bird.

glad to see attention for Good Time, Columbus, Lois Smith

Willem Dafoe in The Florida Project

not only category fraud but aesthetic fraud

I sense Get Out is cruising toward a lot of consolation prizes in best screenplay.

watch James Ivory get Best Adapted screenplay in the guilds that separate the two categories

i expect Cynthia Nixon's Emily D to show or place in one critics' group at least, maybe Boston.

Should have been all of them :(

She ought to steamroll the Nat'l Society, I think.

Welcome @nyfcc class of 2017! @melvillmatic @davidehrlich @DecentFilms @carynjames @unbuttonmyeyes @sheilakathleen @davidlsims @alissamarie

— Keith Uhlich (@keithuhlich) October 27, 2017

Major congrats to @DecentFilms, @melvillmatic, @sheilakathleen and the rest of the new members of the Armondless-NYFCC!!

— Michael Sicinski (@msicism) October 27, 2017

most of em little known to me cept Ehrlich and James

Violet Lucca runs the Film Comment podcast.

Sure, but I've never heard it; I have read her in the mag/site tho.

British Indies:

https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/5092-the-daily-lady-macbeth-leads-bifa-nominations

God's Own Country > Call Me By Your Name

So sez them, anyway.

I just saw GOC; it's pretty damn good and is in a different key than CMBYN. (eg, violent mud sex.) But I wouldn't agree with the equation.

IDA Documentary Awards nominations

https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/5093-the-daily-ida-documentary-awards-nominations

I just saw GOC; it's pretty damn good and is in a different key than CMBYN. (eg, violent mud sex.) But I wouldn't agree with the equation.

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, November 1, 2017

A colleague who saw it at Key West last month said much the same thing.

also casually full-frontal in the indie Brit way

So, it's really looking like the quartet of the year is: Gary Oldman, Frances McDormand, Willem Dafoe, Allison Janney.

I used to be an Oscar nerd; now I don't even know which movies they're in (Dafoe excepted).

Oldman as Churchill, McDormand in "Three Billboards..."?

The only way for a Brit to win these days is to play an Audio Animatronic doll.

Oldman as Churchill - There is a movie I'd pay not to watch, although I'm sure it will be a big hit with The Football Lads Alliance type crowds. Sometimes I think in post-brexit times every UK movie is just going to be a Dunkirk remake for the next decade.

And every horror movie in the U.S. will be about Trump.

McDormand in "Three Billboards..."?

Yup. Unless Sally Hawkins' swamp fever keeps up the momentum.

intriguing!

Boom. pic.twitter.com/o6LmIdFiuM

— Jason Bailey (@jasondashbailey) November 7, 2017

It's easy when membership in the four groups overlaps, but still, damn.

there are critics in two or more of LA, NY, and Boston? I suspect not.

NYC, National Society, and L.A. membership often overlapped, esp the first two.

National Society is the only one that doubles up with others I think.

well sure, NSFC would be the one that had members for the other groups. xp

My own group, victims of Disney's screwing practices, i's having an internal discussion about it as I type.

lol uh screening but what's the difference

Concurrently with your drive to also disqualify The Florida Project.

the NYT joined the fray

then Disney folded! crisis over.

Disney execs strapped down at lunch, forced to watch The Florida Project.

Thank goodness critics won't have to work themselves up in knots about not being ethically disposed toward awarding Cars 3.

or Luke Skywalker: The Last Prostate

http://awardswatch.com/2017/11/13/american-gods-outlander-novitiate-the-post-among-19th-womens-image-awards-film-and-television-nominees/

Women’s Image Awards Nominations

Documentary Feature Film

After Spring (Starz)
Gender Revolution (National Geographic Channel)
Hungry (Logo Television Network)
Mansfield 66/67 (Gunpowder and Sky)

Feature Film

The Leisure Seeker (Sony Pictures Classics)
Novitiate (Sony Pictures Classics)
The Post (20th Century Fox)
Film Stars Don’t Die In Liverpool (Sony Pictures Classics)
Maudie (Sony Pictures Classics)

Actress Feature Film

Helen Mirren The Leisure Seeker
Melissa Leo Novitiate
Sally Hawkins Maudie
Meryl Streep The Post
Annette Bening Film Stars Don’t Die In Liverpool

Foreign Language Film

First They Killed My Father (Cambodia) (Netflix)
The Divine Order (Switzerland) (Zeitgeist Films / Kino Lorber)
The Square (Sweden) (Magnolia Pictures)
A Fantastic Woman (Chile) (Sony Pictures Classics)

The "written by," "directed by" and "produced by" women categories mix TV and film, which only goes to point out how much more work women get in TV than they do in feature films.

How did The Square make it's way unto that list...

going to see The Square tomorrow

good night and good luck!

Saw it earlier today, actually. So good.

Is that the new one by the director of Force Majeure? I liked FM, but the reviews I've read of this one (both positive and negative) make it sound fairly insufferable, I gotta say.

the ape scene in My Man Godfrey is funnier.

My Man Godfrey is funnier than most things, tbf.

i found FM overrated, won't pay to see this one

Both ^^^^ true for me too. (I have a screener.)

Play is way better than Force Majeure, and this is much more like Play. I love it.

NAACP Image Award Nominations

Outstanding Motion Picture

“Detroit” (Annapurna Pictures)
“Get Out” (Universal Pictures)
“Girls Trip” (Universal Pictures)
“Marshall” (Open Road Films)
“Roman J. Israel, Esq.” (Sony Pictures Entertainment)

Outstanding Independent Motion Picture

“Detroit” (Annapurna Pictures)
“Last Flag Flying” (Amazon Studios)
“Mudbound” (Netflix)
“Professor Marston and the Wonder Women” (Annapurna Pictures)
“Wind River” (Acacia Filmed Entertainment)

Outstanding Actor in a Motion Picture

Algee Smith – “Detroit” (Annapurna Pictures)
Chadwick Boseman – “Marshall” (Open Road Films)
Daniel Kaluuya – “Get Out” (Universal Pictures)
Denzel Washington – “Roman J. Israel, Esq.” (Columbia Pictures)
Idris Elba – “The Mountain Between Us” (20th Century Fox)

Outstanding Actress in a Motion Picture

Amandla Stenberg – “Everything, Everything” (Warner Bros. Pictures / Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Pictures)
Danai Gurira – “All Eyez on Me” (Summit Entertainment)
Halle Berry – “Kidnap” (Aviron Pictures)
Natalie Paul – “Crown Heights” (Amazon Studios)
Octavia Spencer – “Gifted” (Fox Searchlight Pictures)

Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Motion Picture

Idris Elba – “THOR: Ragnarok” (Marvel Studios)
Laurence Fishburne – “Last Flag Flying” (Amazon Studios)
Lil Rel Howery – “Get Out” (Universal Pictures)
Nnamdi Asomugha – “Crown Heights” (Amazon Studios)
Sterling K. Brown – “Marshall” (Open Road Films)

Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Motion Picture

Audra McDonald – “Beauty and the Beast” (Walt Disney Studio Motion Pictures)
Keesha Sharp – “Marshall” (Open Road Films)
Regina Hall – “Girls Trip” (Universal Pictures)
Tessa Thompson – “THOR: Ragnarok” (Marvel Studios)
Tiffany Haddish – “Girls Trip” (Universal Pictures)

Outstanding Directing in a Motion Picture

Dee Rees – “Mudbound” (Netflix)
Jordan Peele – “Get Out” (Universal Pictures)
Malcolm D. Lee – “Girls Trip” (Universal Pictures)
Reginald Hudlin – “Marshall” (Open Road Films)
Stella Meghie – “Everything, Everything” (Warner Bros. Pictures / Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Pictures)

Outstanding Writing in a Motion Picture

Dee Rees, Virgil Williams – “Mudbound” (Netflix)
Emily V. Gordon, Kumail Nanjiani – “The Big Sick” (Amazon Studios)
Jordan Peele – “Get Out” (Universal Pictures)
Kenya Barris, Tracy Oliver – “Girls Trip” (Universal Pictures)
Mark Boal – “Detroit” (Annapurna Pictures)

Would be thrilled to see Lil Rel Howery get an Oscar nod tbh.

Is that the new one by the director of Force Majeure? I liked FM, but the reviews I've read of this one (both positive and negative) make it sound fairly insufferable, I gotta say.

"Insufferable" is a good response to The Square. It tries to Say Something about inequality and the media outrage cycle, but gets bogged down in liberal cringe. And it reaffirms my belief that every movie that comes in at over 2 hours should be taken out of the director's hands and cut to 90 minutes.

regardless of how bad The Square is it can't be as stupid as that "belief".

"every" is too doctrinaire, but wd've helped with Blade Runner 2049

(as would 0 minutes)

Producers Guild of America nominees for Documentary Feature:

Chasing Coral
City of Ghosts
Cries From Syria
Earth: One Amazing Day
Jane
Joshua: Teenager vs. Superpower
The Newspaperman: The Life and Times of Ben Bradlee

Not an intensely impressive slate afaic.

Unless Jane is about Goodall, I've never even heard of any of these.

Only doc I've seen so far this year is the Gilbert Gottfried one, but haven't there been some notable ones? The Wiseman NYPL thing, for instance?

No overlap whatsoever with the Gothams' list ...

Ex Libris – The New York Public Library
Rat Film
Strong Island
Whose Streets?
The Work

And the first heavy-hitting bit of detrius: the Independent Spirit Award Nominees.

BEST FEATURE

Call Me By Your Name
Get Out
The Florida Project
Lady Bird
The Rider

BEST DIRECTOR

Sean Baker, The Florida Project
Jonas Carpignano, A Ciambra
Luca Gudagnino, Call Me By Your Name
Jordan Peele, Get Out
Benny Safdie & Josh Benny, Good Time
Chloé Zhao, The Rider

BEST SCREENPLAY

Greta Gerwig, Lady Bird
Azazel Jacobs, The Lovers
Martin McDonagh, Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri
Jordan Peele, Get Out
Mike White, Beatriz at Dinner

BEST MALE LEAD

Timothée Chalamet, Call Me By Your Name
Harris Dickinson, Beach Rats
James Franco, The Disaster Artist
Daniel Kaluuya, Get Out
Robert Pattinson, Good Time

BEST FEMALE LEAD:

Salma Hayek, Beatriz at Dinner
Francis McDormand, Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
Margot Robbie, I, Tonya
Saiorse Ronin, Lady Bird
Shinobu Terajima, Oh Lucy!
Regina Williams, Life and Nothing More

BEST SUPPORTING FEMALE

Holly Hunter, The Big Sick
Allison Janney, I, Tonya
Laurie Metcalf, Lady Bird
Lois Smith, Marjorie Prime
Taliah Lennice Webster, Good Time

BEST SUPPORTING MALE

Nnamdi Asomugha, Crown Heights
Armie Hammer, Call Me by Your Name
Barry Keoghan, The Killing of a Sacred Deer
Sam Rockwell, Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri
Benny Safdie, Good Time

BEST DOCUMENTARY

The Departure
Faces/Places
Last Men in Aleppo
Motherland
Quest

BEST INTERNATIONAL FILM

BPM (Beats Per Minute)
A Fantastic Woman
I Am Not a Witch
Lady Macbeth
Loveless

A few other categories here: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lists/independent-spirit-award-nominations-full-list-2017-1057823/item/

Willem Dafoe seems a huge ommission, as well as Gerwig in director.

waiting for someone to have the cojones to give Mother a screenplay nod

lol the Spirit male lead category is almost as All-Babe as any Oscar year's supporting actress!

(at least two of them are good performances, tho)

None of the three I've seen (the non gay jailbait perfs) are slouches.

saw three billboards last night and am officially baffled by the praise. some great performances but imho very confused and ill-timed.

any of you seen I, Tonya?

Thought so, but I'm confusing it with I, Olga. That one is pretty good.

anyone seen Beach Rats?

A disappointment. I liked her last film a lot.

yep, not good

Natl Board of Review tomorrow. Hoping for a Cynthia Nixon upset.

is it not even sexy?

Gotham winners, by the way ...

BEST FEATURE
Call Me by Your Name

BEST DOCUMENTARY
Strong Island

BINGHAM RAY BREAKTHROUGH DIRECTOR AWARD
Jordan Peele for Get Out

BEST SCREENPLAY
Get Out, Jordan Peele

BEST ACTOR
James Franco in The Disaster Artist

BEST ACTRESS
Saoirse Ronan in Lady Bird

BEST ENSEMBLE
The 2017 Best Actor/Best Actress nominating committee has also voted to award a special Gotham Jury Award for ensemble performance to Mudbound. The award will go to actors Carey Mulligan, Garrett Hedlund, Jason Clarke, Jason Mitchell, Mary J. Blige, Rob Morgan, and Jonathan Banks.

BREAKTHROUGH ACTOR
Timothée Chalamet in Call Me by Your Name

AUDIENCE AWARD
Get Out

And here we go!

NATIONAL BOARD OF REVIEW

BEST PICTURE: The Post
BEST DIRECTOR: Greta Gerwig, Lady Bird
BEST ACTOR: Tom Hanks, The Post
BEST ACTRESS: Meryl Streep, The Post
BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR: Willem Dafoe, The Florida Project
BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS: Laurie Metcalf, Lady Bird
BEST FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM: Foxtrot
BEST ANIMATED FEATURE: Coco
BEST DOCUMENTARY: Jane
BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY: Paul Thomas Anderson, Phantom Thread
BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY: Scott Neustadter & Michael H. Weber, The Disaster Artist
BEST DIRECTORIAL DEBUT: Jordan Peele, Get Out
BEST ENSEMBLE: Get Out
BREAKTHROUGH PERFORMANCE: Timothée Chalamet, Call Me By Your Name
SPOTLIGHT AWARD: Wonder Woman, Patty Jenkins and Gal Gadot
NBR FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION: First They Killed My Father
NBR FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION: Let It Fall: Los Angeles 1982-1992

TOP FILMS
Baby Driver
Call Me By Your Name
The Disaster Artist
Downsizing
Dunkirk
The Florida Project
Get Out
Lady Bird
Logan
Phantom Thread

TOP TEN INDEPENDENT FILMS
Beatriz at Dinner
Brigsby Bear
A Ghost Story
Lady Macbeth
Logan Lucky
Loving Vincent
Menashe
Norman: The Moderate Rise and Tragic Fall of a New York Fixer
Patti Cake$
Wind River

TOP 5 FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILMS
A Fantastic Woman
Frantz
Loveless
Summer 1993
The Square

TOP 5 DOCUMENTARIES
Abacus: Small Enough to Jail
Brimstone & Glory
Eric Clapton: Life in 12 Bars
Faces Places
Hell On Earth: The Fall of Syria and the Rise of ISIS

ooooooof

Giving The Post three of the top four awards is soooo NBR.

And I say that as the ilxor who will probably wind up liking the movie the most.

Even still, the Nat'l Board of Review doesn't know how to count.

Willem Dafoe, The Florida Project

the grossest win

How will you keep track of all your betes noir this year?

have you seen my worst songs project? They're in my blood.

I'm sure I'll have no room to rib once I catch Downsizing.

NYFCC on Thursday

i.e. the group that actually DID give La La Land best picture last year

The voting has begun #NYFCC

— Sidney Falco (@Sidney_Falco) November 30, 2017

Maybe Oscar will do us all the favor of giving all 5 best actor slots to actresses instead this year:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gary-oldman-the-oscar-frontrunner-with-a-dark-past

Not online yet, so the commentary that's so crucial isn't available yet, but here's John Waters' essential list for the year:

1. Baby Driver (Edgar Wright)
2. I, Olga Hepnarová (Petr Kazda, Tomáš Weinreb)
3. The Strange Ones (Christopher Radcliff, Lauren Wolkstein)
4. Nocturama (Bertrand Bonello)
5. Wonderstruck (Todd Haynes)
6. Graduation (Christian Mungiu)
7. The Wizard of Lies (Barry Levinson)
8. Lady Macbeth (William Oldroyd)
9. Wonder Wheel (Woody Allen)
10. Tom of Finland (Dome Karukoski)

Welp, so much for Get Out's best film hopes, probably:

BEST FIRST FILM: GET OUT (JORDAN PEELE)

— Sidney Falco (@Sidney_Falco) November 30, 2017

BEST FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM: PBM (BEATS PER MINUTE) / ROBIN CAMPILLO #NYFCC

— Sidney Falco (@Sidney_Falco) November 30, 2017

In case they end up deleting that typo tweet, best foreign film was BPM

did Lady Macbeth get a US release?

Get Out's guaranteed an Oscar slot, I reckon.

BEST NONFICTION FILM: FACES PLACES (AGNES VARDA) #NYFCC

— Sidney Falco (@Sidney_Falco) November 30, 2017

Mild surprise over BPM.

What would you have expected over it at this point? Doesn't seem like there's any Toni Erdmanns in the mix this year to dominate over all.

Well, speaking of categories that seem a little thin on competition this year:

BEST ANIMATED FILM: COCO (LEE UNKRICH, ADRIAN MOLINA) #NYFCC

— Sidney Falco (@Sidney_Falco) November 30, 2017

yes jed, Lady Macbeth was in theaters for about a minute

What would you have expected over it at this point? Doesn't seem like there's any Toni Erdmanns in the mix this year to dominate over all.

― Fred Klinkenberg (Eric H.),

The Square or Thelma?

or Nocturama (which was better reviewed in NY than The Square i think)

have no idea what the critical standing of this year's imminent Haneke is.

BPM would be my choice for best film right now

thinking Call Me By Your Name is a good guess for NY's top choice, unless there's a Dunkirk faction.

The former is far more divisive than BPM. The latter is much less in the conversation.

xps yeah, Nocturama would be that candidate if it weren't so controversial.

They've invited 8 new members, and only one of them has what I'd consider Dunkirkian tastes.

no one liked the haneke much iirc

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY: MUDBOUND / RACHEL MORRISON #NYFCC

— Sidney Falco (@Sidney_Falco) November 30, 2017

Yew-hew, Lord Soto:

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR: WILLEM DAFOE / THE FLORIDA PROJECT #NYFCC

— Sidney Falco (@Sidney_Falco) November 30, 2017

fuck-yew

Somewhere, Michael Stuhlbarg weeps and wishes he'd gotten more than one scene.

BOOM

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS: TIFFANY HADDISH / GIRLS TRIP #NYFCC

— Sidney Falco (@Sidney_Falco) November 30, 2017

i guess Dafoe might be the inevitable one down the line this year

ah, the Young Turks dig deep for some unwatchable comedy?

xp Possibly. His category is the least stacked with alternatives.

i have no idea who Tiffany Haddish is. This an all-out broadly comic role?

I did like Malcolm Lee's Undercover Brother, but damn that was a long time ago.

hoping my beloved Cynthia Nixon takes it

(watch they pull some Kate Winslet bullshit)

the Winslet sizzle of October seems to have cooled some

Yep, to put it far too reductively, she's the Melissa McCarthy Bridesmaids force in Girls Trip. Very broad, very unsubtle, very funny.

BEST ACTOR: TIMOTHEE CHALAMET / CALL ME BY YOUR NAME #NYFCC

— Sidney Falco (@Sidney_Falco) November 30, 2017

No issues with that choice either tbh. These are going well enough that I can't wait for them to top the last-minute La La Land win in sheer eleventh-hour awfulness.

BEST PICTURE: DARKEST HOUR #NYFCC

— Sidney Falco (@Sidney_Falco) November 30, 2017

BEST PICTURE: DUNKIRK and DARKEST HOUR (tie) #NYFCC

— Sidney Falco (@Sidney_Falco) November 30, 2017

nice try, you naughty boy

It's all fun and games until The Same Kind of Different As Me takes it

I already know K3ith Uhl1ch is going to vote for The Snowman in all categories.

BEST ACTRESS: SAOIRSE RONAN / LADY BIRD #NYFCC

— Sidney Falco (@Sidney_Falco) November 30, 2017

oh yeah, LB is the only alternative i see to CMBYN

I have $5 down on Lady Bird also winning director and picture.

must be the youngest pair of lead acting winners

I'm cool with them.

Oh crap, I forgot about the last-minute groundswell on this one ... I rescind my $5

BEST SCREENPLAY: PHANTOM THREAD / PAUL THOMAS ANDERSON #NYFCC

— Sidney Falco (@Sidney_Falco) November 30, 2017

oh snap

SPECIAL AWARD FOR CAREER ACHIEVEMENT: MOLLY HASKELL #NYFCC

— Sidney Falco (@Sidney_Falco) November 30, 2017

Frederick B was right after all!

BEST DIRECTOR: SEAN BAKER / THE FLORIDA PROJECT #NYFCC

— Sidney Falco (@Sidney_Falco) November 30, 2017

yay Molly

that's what i call a "Danish fix"

gtfo

BEST PICTURE: LADY BIRD (GRETA GERWIG) #NYFCC

— Sidney Falco (@Sidney_Falco) November 30, 2017

something for everybody, except passionate Florida haters

2017 NYFCC awards the rare case of successfully pulling a “sorry sorry I’m trying to delete” re: their 2016 awards

— Jake Cole (@notjustmovies) November 30, 2017

Awards Watch seems in shock that The Post didn't factor in at all.

i'm glad i've never been to Awards Watch

I don't read him regularly, so I'm just gonna ask: is K.U. trolling with this Snowman stuff?

Assuredly.

I don't care that much about oscars, but since Sean Baker is the quintessential American filmmaker of the decade, it would be cool to see him nominated at least once.

The Florida Project is gonna be a tough Oscar sell beyond Dafoe.

Yeah, probably :)

oh, darRYL

This doesn't really fit here (although it must one of the best short films of the year) I'm posting it because I want Alfred and Eric to watch it and tell me what they think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54fea7wuV6s

It has enough muscles to qualify for my best-of list.

Waters' commentary now up: https://www.artforum.com/inprint/issue=201710&id=72432

My faves:

5 WONDERSTRUCK (Todd Haynes) Want an IQ test for your cinephile children? Just take them to see this beautifully made, feel-good kids’ movie about the hearing-impaired, starring a little girl who looks exactly like Simone Signoret. If your small-fry like the film, they’re smart. If they don’t, they’re stupid.

10 TOM OF FINLAND (Dome Karukoski) This dirty but dignified, oddly commercial biopic of the artist who inspired the modern-day s/m gay leather scene is now the Finnish government’s official entry in the 2017 foreign-film Oscar race. That’s what I call patriotic penis progress, and I hope it wins.

http://yearendlists.com/category/2017-movies/

well I did see his #1, 2 and 5

J. Hoberman: Artforum Top Ten, 2017 pic.twitter.com/mh88i7jXgw

— Jordan Cronk (@JordanCronk) December 2, 2017

I loved The Holy Girl and The Headless Woman, looking forward to see Zama!

*seeing

what was the staff letter of October 26. 2017?

I need to get a subscription to Artforum

John Waters says in that piece that Woody Allen has never made a bad film, so he should be careful about calling others stupid.

Zama is alright, no Headless Woman imho.

Lol at the Emihholz. He premiered four films at Berlin and I kinda gave up on it all... I do like his architecture films, though.

LA critics now voting. Not feeling as generous about their results so I'll just link to their twitter: https://twitter.com/lafilmcritics

link to the mimosa drinking

Best Cinematography, Winner: Dan Laustsen, THE SHAPE OF WATER

Best Cinematography, Runner-Up: Roger Deakins, BLADE RUNNER 2049

Best Music/Score, Winner: Jonny Greenwood, PHANTOM THREAD

— LA Film Critics (@LAFilmCritics) December 3, 2017

(WIth The Shape of Water as the runner up.)

Another win for Willem!

Assuming Nat'l Society also signs off, that's a sweep.

Dunkirk wins for editing, which should probably be a no-brainer like Dafoe and Nixon.

Chalamet also gets another award. (They went Hawkins for actress instead because, damn, they have a chub for that Del Toro flick.)

But somehow managed to avoid giving it best picture (CMBYN) or best picture runner-up (Florida Project). Whew, I guess?

FP snubbed :(

Also, I was going to see CMBYN today, but then it turned out I looked at the program the wrong way, and it's next month. So fuck that film.

Dan S.:

http://www.artforum.com/news/id=71957

It's frustrating how Cynthia Nixon isn't "in the conversation" at all.

mayyyybe the conversation is of little actual worth?

well, yeah

did we ever get runners-up/postmortem on NYFCC?

I just watched Beach Rats and thought it was gross, the denouement is so gratuitously depressing that I felt like I wanted to have a talk with Hittman and ask her why, exactly, she made this - were the stakes so high? Because it didn't feel like they were so that it would turn out that way. Aside from that it was not believable that that guy would have been hanging out with those other three for a start and certainly not believable that he'd rope those chumps into a violent act for the sake of a bag of weed.

she got some grief for appropriating some of the details of the death of a black gay man in NYC a few decades ago.

actually the four boys seemed like a plausible crew to me.

I'm surprised at that. they seemed like three guys that had somehow started hanging out with an art school bro since that look is what most of the art school boys in Glasgow seem to be striving for.

he just seemed more model-beautiful than the other mooks (who were "street cast"). You know the lead actor is a Brit, right?

i thought they were all good in it fwiw. the main guy was a good actor who was miscast imo.

xp i only knew that from googling. his accent seemed good from this side.

What's this Nixon performance y'all keep going on about?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Quiet_Passion

US release last April

it's on UK netflix now, not sure about north america.

Beach Rats disappointed me too because her last film -- which nailed the rhythms of courtship -- impressed me.

It's the people who've watched A Quiet Passion that deserve an award.

What's this Nixon performance y'all keep going on about?

― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, December 3, 2017

If I've accomplished anything in this godforsaken place I like to think it's helping the public to see what a know-nothing little bastard Rubio is.

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) December 2, 2017

A Quiet Passion was the best film of 2016, but only award eligible this year.

Oh I do love it when we talk release date eligibility.

yes, Frederik doesn't get enough chances to be a supercilious dick.

The only rhythm of courtship that interests me is "Let's screw."

then you should've loved Beach Rats.

David Edelstein's Top 10:

http://www.vulture.com/2017/12/the-10-best-movies-of-2017.html

Film critics conspiring to hate me.

I really wanted to like Valerian but it was awful

Will watch this on my lunch break, but here's David Ehrlich's annual top 25 montage: https://vimeo.com/245670075

Film critics conspiring to hate me.

Rather, they welcome your hatred!

I watched _Girls Trip_ yesterday, Haddish is indeed infectious but man that movie sucks

I'd rather people see Girls Trip than Thor: Ragnarok.

Nick Schager's list has the honor of being called "wackjobby" by that scumshit Jeff Wells:

http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a52209/best-movies-of-2017/

Didn't know Tony Perkins' son Osgood had made a horror feature (#9).

Nick's list is the running one he updates ever month or two. That's where he stood at the beginning of November.

Didn't know Tony Perkins had a son!

oh how I hated Hounds of Love.

The Lost City of Z and Marjorie Prime, yay. Dunkirk feh

yeah I think Z is the best thing I saw this year

Tony Perkins had 2 sons with his wife Berry Berenson (sister of Marisa); she died on one of the 9/11 flights.

still think BPM is at the top of my list.

Just submitted a list today and starting to feel pretty awful that I haven't been able to snag a viewing of Phantom Thread yet.

Sight & Sound poll results apparently leaked a bit early:

http://www.worldofreel.com/2017/12/get-out-tops-sight-sound-poll-as-film.html

1. Get Out, dir: Jordan Peele
2. Twin Peaks: The Return, dir: David Lynch
3. Call Me by Your Name, dir: Luca Guadagnino
4. Zama, dir: Lucrecia Martel
5. Western, dir: Valeska Grisebach
6. Faces Places, dir: Agnes Varda
7. Good Time, dirs: Ben and Josh Safdie
8. Loveless, dir: Andrey Zvyagintsev
9. Dunkirk, dir: Christopher Nolan
9. The Florida Project, dir: Sean Baker
11. A Ghost Story, dir: David Lowery
12. You Were Never Really Here, dir: Lynne Ramsay
12. BPM, dir: Robin Campillo
12. Lady Macbeth, dir: William Oldroyd
14. God’s Own Country, dir: Francis Lee
14. The Shape Of Water, dir: Guillermo del Toro
16. Let the Sunshine In, dir: Claire Denis
16. Mudbound, dir: Dee Rees
16. Strong Island, dir: Yance Ford
16. I Am Not Your Negro, dir: Raoul Peck
16. Personal Shopper, dir: Olivier Assayas

sigh, cultists

Lol, love the tie for ninth.

Mad Max: Fury Road (George Miller, 2015) pic.twitter.com/hmxlT4YPhY

— Merry Carolmas (@CGRunyon) November 19, 2017

has anyone here caught the Ramsay?

US opening is April

was I alone in being kinda nonplussed by Mudbound

there've been a number of meh reviews

Actual article posted now. Leak was accurate:

http://www.bfi.org.uk/features/best-films-2017/

Annual Erhlich Vid

https://vimeo.com/245670075

Cahiers du Cinema

1. Twin Peaks: The Return (David Lynch)
2. Jeannette: The Childhood of Joan of Arc (Bruno Dumont)
3. Certain Women (Kelly Reichardt)
4. Get Out (Jordan Peele)
5. The Day After (Hong Sang-soo)
6. Lover For a Day (Philippe Garrel)
7. Good Time (Josh and Benny Safdie)
8. Split (M. Night Shyamalan)
9. Jackie (Pablo Larraín)
10. Billy Lynn’s Long Halftime Walk (Ang Lee)

I wondering, is The Square's absence from the Sight and Sound list because the critics didn't like it or because it hasn't been widely enough seen?

The former, surely, since you have Zama/ Western/Faces Places at 4,5 and 6.

I guess people are pissed about Twin Peaks turning up on these lists

Cahiers du Cinema: Split? A little confused, real sore thumb in that list.

Simon H: I'm amazed at the Mudbound hype too. Solid but not spectacular in any way, and had a couple really poor sequences. The cockpit scene should have just been edited out if they didn't have the budget - it took me right out of the film. Given the subject matter and the buzz, I expected more of an emotional kick.

Maybe the sound team should get a nomination though because lord did I grimace at the sound of the leg re-break. Ugh.

The Square hasn't yet been released in the UK, which might partly account for its absence from the S&S poll in particular. But it also isn't very good.

The editor wrote in Sight & Sound that they'd actively encouraged those polled this year to vote for any moving pictures, not just cinema, so I guess that boosted Twin Peaks.

Lol at Cahiers stanning for Split. Is it because he's an auteur?

Only one person in the printed edition gave Detroit a vote (haven't checked the online-only ballots). What a huge fall from grace. I thought it was terrific.

& that Ang Lee film.

I guess people are pissed about Twin Peaks turning up on these lists

people need to grow the fuck up

"Movie or TV?" issue came up when I tried to put Eastbound & Down on my 2009 Village Voice poll. Then and now I cite The Hoberman Rule. pic.twitter.com/a8nCamZvPi

— BANDZ STACKHAGE (@NickPinkerton) December 5, 2017

When I see an Oliver Stone film that's not JFK on a list, I remember the Lord Sotosyn Rule.

Cahiers du Cinema: Split? A little confused, real sore thumb in that list.

Try the one right below that one on the list.

Try the one right below that one on the list.

Marginally better than Split, but I can at least understand people hyping up Portman's overacting. I could have sworn that was a 2016 release anyway.

let's just leave release dates alone bcuz they always vary! no one seems to realize that New York is what counts

no one has had the opportunity to see the entirety of TP Season 3 in a cinemaaah, hence it doesn't qualify, case closed.

also J Hoberman loves Dogville and hates Abbott & Costello so fuck him forever

Not going to link the Broadcast Film Critics Awards nominations, because some things are even too shameful for the detrius thread.

Suffice it to say, they're betting the farm on The Shape of Water being the big Oscar winner this year. Because that's their entire reason for being.

NYT crix weigh in: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/movies/best-movies.html

I haven't seen it but I just can't imagine the fishfucking movie catching on in that way.

ugh at Warlocaust of the Apes making one of those lists

desperately hoping Dunkirk makes it into Reverse Shot's "Offenses" list this year

I expect many of my favorites on that list tbh.

Dunkirk is definitely making that list. And the whole thing is going to be about how clearly Nolan made it to celebrate Brexit.

The Killing of a Sacred Deer and, I'm reasonably certain, Lady Bird will also end up getting cited there.

I'm prepared for sea level rise to have done with Florida if it prevents directors from making odes about us.

A compromise I trust many could live with.

Also, if Three Billboards DOESN'T end up on the Reverse Shot "offenses" list, then the entire proposition is bankrupt.

x-post: Especially now that Sean Baker has made the perfect one anyway.

Critic's Choice have given Molly's Game two nominations. Who are these people? I want a documentary or research study on these schmucks.

x-post: Especially now that Sean Baker has made the perfect one anyway.

― Frederik B, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

why are you always like this?

Um, cover of the year anyone? pic.twitter.com/l279InPFHI

— Nigel M. Smith (@nigelmfs) December 6, 2017

much prefer Sacred Deer's offenses to Sean Baker's

Catholic bishops will walk out of TFP pro-abortion

http://www.clickhole.com/article/huge-mix-christopher-nolan-accidentally-submitted--7027

AMERICAN FILM INSTITUTE ANNOUNCES
AFI AWARDS 2017 OFFICIAL SELECTIONS

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE, December 7, 2017, LOS ANGELES, CA — The American Film Institute (AFI) announced today the Official Selections of AFI AWARDS 2017, celebrating the year's most outstanding achievements in the art of the moving image — with 10 films and 10 television programs deemed culturally and artistically significant.

In addition to the 20 honorees, AFI also recognizes THE VIETNAM WAR with an AFI Special Award.

AFI AWARDS is a coveted honor for its noncompetitive celebration of collaboration. Honorees are selected based on works that advance the art of the moving image, enhance the rich cultural heritage of America's art form, inspire audiences and artists alike and make a mark on American society.

"At a time when the world seems defined by division, storytellers bring us together as one," said Bob Gazzale, AFI President and CEO. "AFI AWARDS is honored to celebrate this community of artists who challenge and inspire us, entertain and enlighten us — ultimately reminding us of our common heartbeat."

AFI MOVIES OF THE YEAR

THE BIG SICK
CALL ME BY YOUR NAME
DUNKIRK
THE FLORIDA PROJECT
GET OUT
LADY BIRD
THE POST
THE SHAPE OF WATER
THREE BILLBOARDS OUTSIDE EBBING, MISSOURI
WONDER WOMAN

aside from Wonder Woman, i think we have an ossified top layer now.

The Big Sick is eminently forgettable. I don't get the acclaim.

I enjoyed it until the concluding half-hour of house-cleaning.

I think The Big Sick falls outside that top layer now and Three Billboards is cuspy thx to its politics. Otherwise, yeah, that's the slate from here on out in a nutshell.

Usually I let Morbs do the honors, but since I myself haven't seen Slant's #1 movie this year: https://www.slantmagazine.com/features/article/the-25-best-films-of-2017

And the ballots: https://www.slantmagazine.com/house/article/slants-top-25-films-of-2017/

Eric! The Ornithologist!

oh yeah!

I thought Nocturama a letdown after its first hour, and other than Pattinson's reliably solid performance and the editing Good Time escapes me too.

I thought you were a letdown after your first hour.

honey, I don't last that long

There's a lot I haven't seen on there, and nothing that I have is totally undeserving. Well played!

Personal Shopper and The Ornithologist (both at NYFF 2016) were meh for me

(no trite sexual banter from the peanut gallery, please)

The Ornithologist and Staying Vertical sometimes blur in my memories, i.e. rural surreal sexual hijinks

I feel so much better about loving Personal Shopper knowing it was a Morbs-meh.

honeybunch, if you fly to NY in 2 weeks i can probably get you into Phantom Thread at MoMA

I preferred when the invitations came from "Unknown."

i haven't used that name in years.

Richard Brody's list

“Good Time,” starring Robert Pattinson, streaks and smears and shreds the screen with a sense of furious subjectivity.

The hell does this mean?

Still trying to figure out the coda discussions on Twin Peaks, specifically ep 8

People seem to have forgotten about Detroit

Which, whatever problems you have with it, is certainly better than 3 Billboards

BOSTON SOCIETY OF FILM CRITICS

Best Film
PHANTOM THREAD
Runner-up: The Shape of Water

Best Director
Paul Thomas Anderson, PHANTOM THREAD
Runner-up: Guillermo del Toro, THE SHAPE OF WATER

Best Actor
Daniel Kaluuya, GET OUT
Runner up: Timothée Chalamet, CALL ME BY YOUR NAME

Best Actress
Sally Hawkins, THE SHAPE OF WATER
Runner up: Vicky Krieps, PHANTOM THREAD

Best Supporting Actor
Willem Dafoe, THE FLORIDA PROJECT
Runner up: Sam Rockwell, THREE BILLBOARDS OUTSIDE EBBING, MISSOURI

Best Supporting Actress
Laurie Metcalf, LADY BIRD
Runner-up: Allison Janney, I, TONYA

Best Ensemble
THE MEYEROWITZ STORIES (NEW AND SELECTED)
Runner-up: BPM

Best Screenplay
LADY BIRD
Runner up: GET OUT

Best Foreign Language Film
THE SQUARE
Runner-up: BPM

Best Documentary
DAWSON CITY: FROZEN TIME
Runner up: FACES PLACES

Best Animated Film
COCO
Runner up: LOVING VINCENT

Best New Filmmaker
Jordan Peele (GET OUT)

Best Cinematography
DUNKIRK
Runner-up: BLADE RUNNER 2049

Best Original Score
PHANTOM THREAD
Runners-up: DAWSON CITY: FROZEN TIME and THE SHAPE OF WATER

Best Editing
A GHOST STORY
Runner up: I, TONYA

SAN FRANCISCO FILM CRITICS CIRCLE

Best Picture
THE FLORIDA PROJECT

Best Director
Guillermo del Toro – THE SHAPE OF WATER

Best Actor
Andy Serkis – WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES

Best Actress
Margot Robbie – I, TONYA

Best Supporting Actor
Willem Dafoe – THE FLORIDA PROJECT

Best Supporting Actress
Laurie Metcalf – LADY BIRD

Best Foreign Language Film
BPM

Best Animated Feature
COCO

Best Documentary
FACES PLACES

Best Cinematography
BLADE RUNNER 2049 – Roger Deakins

Best Production Design
THE SHAPE OF WATER – Paul D. Austerberry

Best Editing
BABY DRIVER – Paul Machliss and Jonathan Amos

Best Screenplay (original)
GET OUT – Jordan Peele

Best Screenplay (adapted)
CALL ME BY YOUR NAME – James Ivory

Best Original Score
PHANTOM THREAD – Jonny Greenwood

Special Citation (for that underappreciated indie gem)
BRIMSTONE & GLORY

Best Actor
Andy Serkis – WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES

This meme will never die, huh.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/dec/10/the-square-triumphs-with-six-prizes-at-european-film-awards-berlin

EUROPEAN FILM
The Square, dir: Ruben Ostlund

EUROPEAN DISCOVERY – PRIX FIPRESCI
Lady Macbeth, dir: William Oldroyd

EUROPEAN COMEDY
The Square, dir: Ruben Ostlund

EUROPEAN ACTRESS
Alexandra Borbely, On Body And Soul

EUROPEAN ACTOR
Claes Bang, The Square

EUROPEAN DOCUMENTARY
Communion, dir: Anna Zamecka

EUROPEAN DIRECTOR
Ruben Ostlund, The Square

EUROPEAN SCREENWRITER
Ruben Ostlund, The Square

EUROPEAN ANIMATED FEATURE
Loving Vincent, dirs: Dorota Kobiela & Hugh Welchman

EUROPEAN SHORT FILM
Timecode, dir: Juanjo Gimenez

PREVIOUSLY ANNOUNCED
EUROPEAN CINEMATOGRAPHER
Michail Krichman, Loveless

EUROPEAN COMPOSER
Evgueni & Sacha Galperine, Loveless

EUROPEAN EDITOR
Robin Campillo, BPM

EUROPEAN PRODUCTION DESIGNER
Josefin Åsberg, The Square

EUROPEAN COSTUME DESIGNER
Katarzyna Lewińska, Spoor

EUROPEAN HAIR & MAKE-UP ARTIST
Leendert van Nimwegen, Brimstone

EUROPEAN SOUND DESIGNER
Oriol Tarragó, A Monster Calls

EUROPEAN CO-PRODUCTION AWARD
Cedomir Kolar

EUROPEAN ACHIEVEMENT IN WORLD CINEMA
Julie Delpy

EFA LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD
Aleksandr Sokurov

EFA PEOPLE’S CHOICE AWARD
Stefan Zweig – Farewell To Europe, dir: Maria Schrader

wtf @ Serkis for actor

if I had one of these things to vote in I'd give it to Vince Vaughn just for fun

EUROPEAN ACTOR
Claes Bang, The Square

My drag name.

Best Supporting Actor
Willem Dafoe – THE FLORIDA PROJECT

Best Supporting Actress
Laurie Metcalf – LADY BIRD

I suppose we have to get used to this.

I'm utterly at peace with it.

I'mma sticking Aki Kaurismaki's The Other Side of Hope in my #2 slot behind BPM for now... Puts most of the crap listed above into perspective.

Le Havre made no impression on me, is this one considered superior?

not by most; i'm a big fan across the board

Speaking of crap, here's the Golden Globe nominees. For those following along, yep, that's five white men nominated for best director.

Best motion picture, drama
“Call Me By Your Name”
“Dunkirk”
“The Post”
“The Shape of Water”
“Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri”

Best motion picture, comedy or musical
“The Disaster Artist”
“Get Out”
“The Greatest Showman”
“I, Tonya”
“Lady Bird”

Best actress in a motion picture, drama
Jessica Chastain, “Molly’s Game”
Sally Hawkins, “The Shape of Water”
Frances McDormand, “Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri”
Meryl Streep, “The Post”
Michelle Williams, “All the Money in the World”

Best actress in a motion picture, comedy or musical
Judi Dench, “Victoria & Abdul”
Helen Mirren, “The Leisure Seeker”
Margot Robbie, “I, Tonya”
Saoirse Ronan, “Lady Bird”
Emma Stone, “Battle of the Sexes”

Best actor in a motion picture, drama
Timothée Chalamet, “Call Me By Your Name”
Daniel Day-Lewis, “Phantom Thread”
Tom Hanks, “The Post”
Gary Oldman, “Darkest Hour”
Denzel Washington, “Roman J. Israel, Esq.”

Best actor in a motion picture, comedy or musical
Steve Carell, “Battle of the Sexes”
Ansel Elgort, “Baby Driver”
James Franco, “The Disaster Artist”
Hugh Jackman, “The Greatest Showman”
Daniel Kaluuya, “Get Out”

Best supporting actress in a motion picture
Laurie Metcalf, “Lady Bird”
Allison Janney, “I, Tonya”
Mary J. Blige, “Mudbound”
Octavia Spencer, “The Shape of Water”
Hong Chau, “Downsizing”

Best supporting actor in a motion picture
Armie Hammer, “Call Me By Your Name”
Richard Jenkins, “The Shape of Water”
Sam Rockwell, “Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri”
Willem Dafoe, “The Florida Project”
Christopher Plummer, “All the Money in the World”

Best director, motion picture
Christopher Nolan, “Dunkirk”
Steven Spielberg, “The Post”
Guillermo del Toro, “The Shape of Water”
Martin McDonagh, “Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri”
Ridley Scott, “All the Money in the World”

Best screenplay, motion picture
“Lady Bird” (Greta Gerwig)
“The Shape of Water” (Guillermo del Toro and Vanessa Taylor)
“Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri” (Martin McDonagh)
“The Post” (Liz Hannah and Josh Singer)
“Molly’s Game” (Aaron Sorkin)

Best animated feature film
“Coco”
“Loving Vincent”
“The Breadwinner”
“Ferdinand”
“The Boss Baby”

Best original song
“Remember Me,” “Coco”
“This Is Me,” “The Greatest Showman”
“Mighty River,” “Mudbound”
“Home,” “Ferdinand”
“The Star,” “The Star”

Best original score, motion picture
“The Shape of Water”
“Dunkirk”
“The Post”
“Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri”
“Phantom Thread”

Best foreign language film
“The Square”
“First They Killed My Father”
“In the Fade”
“A Fantastic Woman”
“Loveless”

Ansel Elgort, “Baby Driver”

call me by YOUR name

Get Out is a comedy, huh?

I don't think Guillermo del Toro is white

/Get Out/ is a comedy, huh?

Take it to twitter, normie

xp OK, asterisk. But neither is Guillermo del Toro Greta Gerwig, Dee Rees or Jordan Peele.

the Hollywood Whoring Press doesn't like Sufjan Stevens songs, it seems

they are saluting Ridley Scott's bottom-line solution to #Metoo, though!

no one's gonna convince me to give I, Tonya screener a chance?

Margo's Game was actively obnoxious.

The best song in Call Me By Your Name was Psychedelic Furs

LOVED the square btw

xp the best song in CMBYN was Ravel's Miroirs: Une barque sur l'océan gtfo

There's no way The Greatest Showman isn't the worst of the pic nominees

here, Morbs, let Elio serenade you:

http://cinemavine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/call-me-your-name-movie-trailer-Timothe%CC%81e-Chalamet-.png

There's no way The Greatest Showman isn't the worst of the pic nominees

Since they somehow managed to not nominate All The Money in the World in best picture despite nominating it everywhere else, probably.

it's amazing that there was a hit Broadway musical about Barnum in 1980 (?) that was never adapted to film, and yet they made this one, which looks imported from 1969.

Darling P.T.

not that good!

(that B'way musical starred Jim Dale and a pre-Garp Glenn Close btw)

I hope the song about the beluga whales he boiled alive is catchy, at least.

remember this horror?

https://recklesseyes.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/water_for_elephants_movie_poster2.jpg

Like Water for Elephants

holy shit: WFE made $117 million.

I don't, mercifully

The TGS trailer makes it clear he gave the 'freaks' and little people their dignity.

San Diego crix trying to shake things up

Best Actor: James McAvoy, SPLIT
Runner Up: James Franco, THE DISASTER ARTIST

Best Actress: Sally Hawkins, MAUDIE
Runner Up: Sally Hawkins, THE SHAPE OF WATER

We've got a few voters on our end who are also enthusiastic about McAvoy. The studio's certainly doing a mild push.

Slant's "follies" of the year. (Like Reverse Shot, not calling them "worsts.")

https://www.slantmagazine.com/features/article/the-20-worst-film-follies-of-2017/

here is Film Comment's list

https://www.filmcomment.com/best-of-2017/

We're to the point in the year where I can accurately predict what will appear in the top reaches of these polls but still be properly surprised by what order they come in. Wouldn't have guessed that #1.

i am going to guess before I click on it

I was wrong! Good, Jeff Wells may have a stroke.

still mystified by the Personal Shopper love.

I kind of liked Clouds of Sils Maria, what did you think of that one Dr. Morbius?

I loathed it! Except for Stewart.

also, Kaurismaki finishing ahead of The Orlando Rascals -- what the world needs now.

01. Good Time (Josh and Benny Safdie, USA, A24)
02. A Quiet Passion (Terence Davies, U.K./Belgium, Music Box Films)
03. Personal Shopper (Olivier Assayas, France, IFC Films)
04. Get Out (Jordan Peele, USA, Universal Pictures)
05. Nocturama (Bertrand Bonello, France, Grasshopper Film)
06. Ex Libris: The New York Public Library (Frederick Wiseman, USA, Zipporah Films)
07. The Death of Louis XIV (Albert Serra, France/Portugal/Spain, The Cinema Guild)
08. Faces Places (Agnès Varda and JR, France, Cohen Media Group)
09. The Lost City of Z (James Gray, USA, Amazon Studios/Bleecker Street)
10. Lady Bird (Greta Gerwig, USA, A24)
11. The Human Surge (Eduardo Williams, Argentina, Grasshopper Film)
12. The Other Side of Hope (Aki Kaurismäki, Finland, Janus Films)
13. The Florida Project (Sean Baker, USA, A24)
14. Dawson City: Frozen Time (Bill Morrison, USA, Kino Lorber)
15. Phantom Thread (Paul Thomas Anderson, USA, Focus Features)
16. On the Beach at Night Alone (Hong Sangsoo, South Korea, The Cinema Guild)
17. Wonderstruck (Todd Haynes, USA, Amazon Studios)
18. Mudbound (Dee Rees, USA, Netflix)
19. BPM (Robin Campillo, France, The Orchard)
20. The Square (Ruben Östlund, Sweden, Magnolia)

I'm legit shocked by the #1.

What was your guess, Morbs?

Another December, another Wiseman not screening till God knows when

#19! I really don't have a good sense anymore of who votes in that poll. xp

Ex Libris is screening at NYC MoMA on the 28th, c'mon up. (I missed its monthlong run here, which was shockingly short.)

I owe y'all a visit. Probably January or early Feb.

i guess the FC voters are NYC-heavy, so that helped Good Time.

Also by rough count 14/20 played one of the last two NYFFs or opened at Lincoln Center.

#11 seems to have, ahem, surged from outta nowhere.

what did y'all think of The Other Side of Hope (? I'm watching it on Thursday.

Also, fully half that list is American, which I'm surprised by at this point.

Never mind, found the Kaurismaki thread.

Missed Human Surge but it's running at a local year-wrapup series soon.

haven't seen one of these:

https://www.filmcomment.com/best-undistributed-films-of-2017/

I ... have my work cut out for me in '18.

Number 1 is indeed very good, was in competition at CPH:PIX. Have only seen a couple of the other ones.

Ex Libris is worth seeing but it's among his weaker ones tbh

http://lwlies.com/articles/best-original-film-soundtracks-2017/

i just watched Central Park and was disturbed to see Ed Koch and Cardinal O'Connor breathing again

xp

from that follies link; this nails one of my biggest issues with Three Billboards
"The script's many acid-tongued speeches pander relentlessly to the film's target audience of white liberals, allowing them to get off on the cheap thrill of hearing a well-placed slur while simultaneously giving them a chance to applaud their own sense of moral righteousness."
saw this at a packed house at BAM and can absolutely confirm this as truth. amazingly well acted but mostly empty.

I do think there's a good essay to be written about this film's place in one of 2017's predictably predominant themes: lack of accountability.

that goes double for the mostly execrable Wind River which was bad enough on more or less every level that I ended up walking out during the protracted, unnecessary and vaguely prurient rape scene. that film sucks.

there's always been good money in flattering your audience

National Film Registry Class of 2017

SCREEN ACTOR GUILD AWARDS

Supporting Female, Motion Picture
Mary J. Blige, Mudbound
Hong Chau, Downsizing
Holly Hunter, The Big Sick
Allison Janney, I, Tonya
Laurie Metcalf, Ladybird

Supporting Male, Motion Picture
Steve Carrell, Battle of the Sexes
Willem Dafoe, The Florida Project
Woody Harrelson, Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri
Richard Jenkins, The Shape of Water
Sam Rockwell, Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri

Leading Female, Motion Picture
Judi Dench, Victoria & Abdul
Sally Hawkins, The Shape of Water
Frances McDormand, Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri
Margot Robbie, I, Tonya
Saoirse Ronan, Ladybird

Leading Male, Motion Picture
Timothee Chalamet, Call Me By Your Name
James Franco, The Disaster Artist
Daniel Kaluuya, Get Out
Gary Oldman, Darkest Hour
Denzel Washington, Roman J. Israel, Esq.

Cast
The Big Sick
Get Out
Ladybird
Mudbound
Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri

"Supporting Female"

Harrelson instead of Hammer, eh?

More like Carell instead of literally any other person who's actually been discussed for the award thus far.

But, yeah, audiences at large aren't hugely into CMBYN it appears.

The Post is the more shocking exclusion, but maybe the SAG nomination body at large just hasn't seen it.

Man, poll deadlines loom and I'm struggling to think of many foreign language performances to break up the English-language monotony.

BPM's leads and then ... ?

Jean-Pierre Leaud

I'm not sure it's acting but it's a performance

Oh right! That counts. (Maybe I should say non-English and non-French?)

of course it's acting, he aint dead

Sherwan Haji in The Other Side of Hope

def Nahuel Pérez Biscayart in BPM, esp cuz Jeff Wells think it's the wrong kind of gay

Adèle Haenel for the 3 films she was in

Claes Bang in The Square. Elliott Crosett Hove in Winterbrothers. The one from Spoor. The leads in On Body and Soul.

But performance of the year is Charlotte Ramplings Volpi-winning all time great turn in Hannah, btw. Look forward to that!

he's asking for votes for stuff that's already out in the US, but keep humblebragging

Kim Min-hee in the Hong Sang-soos! And the lead in A Fantastic Woman.

Is Hannah out?

Oh, sorry, now I get what you're saying. Well, I don't always check US release dates, I think some is out in NY? (Also, it's not really bragging that I get to see different films. I saw Neruda today, a year after the US premiere, it seems. It's just different)

no US distro as yet for Hannah

The Square looks really annoying

It is! In a raelly great way, imo, but it's also a really Scandinavian movie. ymmv.

yeah i both liked and hated the square, i think it's worth seeing even if you kind of want to slap all of the main characters

I have to admit, it's made for me. I studied cultural communication, and I recognize pretty much all the characters...

I studied cultural communication

Parts of the Square are really feeble - the subplot about the piles of detrius being accidentally cleaned up (lol modern art is indistinguishable from rubbish lol), the entirely predictable/unshocking 'shocking' video of the child being blown up, cheap laughs at the guy with tourette's at the press conference, who cannot be silenced because of middle class artworld fear over 'blocking discourse'. The ape guy at the party is obviously meant to be socially awkward to watch, but the scene comes so late in this (much too long) movie that you can't help feeling just duffed up by it, even though the performance is obv a technical bit of work. The only time the film really came alive for me was the long sequence of the museum director and his work intern going off to post the leaflets in the block of flats - very tense, a sense of disaster looming, hubris, good music - and the robbery scene before that.

I don't think this has been posted yet

https://www.slantmagazine.com/features/article/the-20-best-film-scenes-of-2017

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And Killing of a Sacred Deer is ten times smarter and funnier than The Square about male privilege and economic inequality without resorting to apparently unironic shots of homeless people camped outside art museums.

I really like Dogtooth and The Lobster but Sacred Deer was a shitty arthouse revenge movie

I really like you Michael B but that was a shitty revenge on arthouse post

:P

witty arthouse revenge

And Killing of a Sacred Deer is ten times smarter and funnier than The Square about male privilege and economic inequality without resorting to apparently unironic shots of homeless people camped outside art museums.

^^^ this.

The Square played as if Östlund set out to write a parody of a Cannes favorite for a Eurotrash Living in Oblivion.

I give purportedly misanthropic cinema a colder reception, but Killing's wit and use of horror compensated.

The Square is not about economic inequality, that's one of the biggest misreads of it, imo.

To answer Eric's question: Sherwan Haji in The Other Side of Hope.

And the many shots of homeless people would be absolutely ordinary if you went to Stockholm. It's one of the things that has stuck with me after travelling to swedish film festivals.

It's like complaing an NY film had too many shots of subways.

does Elizabeth Moss do her usual mogadon performance in The Sq?

that everyone's like oh Eliz Moss is so magnetic! to

Nathan Rabin's Top 10

I preferred The Square to Sacred Deer despite it being about a half-hour too long.

xp shares only 4 of my top 10 list, not bad

man, Close really looked like an ill Stan Laurel in AN

square snobbery here is confounding to me but tastes differ i guess

Justin Chang's list.

and Chicago Film Critics announced their winners yesterday:

Picture: Lady Bird
Director: Christopher Nolan, Dunkirk
Actor: Timothée Chalamet, Call Me by Your Name
Actress: Saoirse Ronan, Lady Bird
Supporting actor: Willem Dafoe, The Florida Project
Supporting actress, Laurie Metcalf, Lady Bird
Original screenplay: Jordan Peele, Get Out
Adapted screenplay: James Ivory, Call Me by Your Name
Foreign language film: The Square
Documentary: Jane
Animated feature: Coco
Cinematography: Roger Deakins, Blade Runner 2049
Editing: Jonathan Amos and Paul Machliss, Baby Driver
Art direction: Blade Runner 2049
Original score: Jonny Greenwood, Phantom Thread
Most promising performer: Timothee Chalamet, Call Me by Your Name
Most promising filmmaker: Greta Gerwig, Lady Bird

"let's have the dead compete against one another for our memorial award," said the Online Film Critics Society pic.twitter.com/3utkYlpJVZ

— Jason (@jasonosia) December 18, 2017

Update: The Memorial and Lifetime Achievement Awards from the Online Film Critics Society are no longer nominees, they will award all names mentioned in both categories. #OFCS

— Erik Anderson (@awards_watch) December 18, 2017

Goldderby summa. Let's see if Chalamet, the frontrunner, can shake off Oldman:

The Phoenix Critics Circle (PCC) had two picks for the best pic of the year: “The Shape of Water” and “Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri.” This marks the first win for either film from any of the 14 critics groups heard from to date. “The Florida Project” and “Get Out” have four wins apiece from the critics.

The Phoenix scribes awarded Best Actress to both Sally Hawkins (“The Shape of Water”), and Oscar frontrunner Frances McDormand (“Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri”). The former leads the latter by a margin of six wins to four.

Timothee Chalamet (“Call Me by Your Name”) won over the Phoenix critics thus bringing his total up to five. He continues to widen the gap with the two other leading Best Actor Oscar contenders who have each picked up a pair of prizes: Daniel Day-Lewis (“Phantom Thread”) and Gary Oldman (“Darkest Hour”).

While Sam Rockwell (“Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri”) picked up his third critics award, Supporting Actor Oscar frontrunner Willem Dafoe (“The Florida Project”) already has nine crowding his mantle. And with her win with the PCC, Best Supporting Actress Oscar frontrunner Laurie Metcalf (“Lady Bird”) now has nine as well while her closest rival, Allison Janney (“I, Tonya”), remains at four.

The Phoenix folks went with Christopher Nolan (“Dunkirk”) for Best Director and split the screenplay award between Greta Gerwig (“Lady Bird”), Martin McDonagh (“Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri”) and Jordan Peele (“Get Out”).

cuz it's all about THE OSCARS

THE GOLD STANDARD

Cynthia Nixon was nominated by the OFCS btw

http://ofcs.org/category/weekly-updates/ofcs-awards/

And this reluctant member tossed her a vote too.

Also, I have no idea how that dead people "nominees" thing came about.

Phantom Thread listed but not DDL is curious

Also, critics award ties are the actual worst.

THE GOLD STANDARD

are they made of gold? I thought they were chocolate.

hence Harvey Weinstein's have vanished

I gave Cynthia Nixon a nod too, along with Aubrey Plaza. Morbs' beloved Nahuel Pérez Biscayart among my actors.

whither Adam Sandler?

you'd think having an "arc" that finishes with washing your hands of Dustin Hoffman would have appeal

Musto

http://www.newnownext.com/michael-mustos-14-favorite-movies-of-2017/12/2017/

Dunkirk, Three Billboards AND Wonder Wheel!

At least Nolan, with skillful economy (100 fucking boyband rejects and Branagh's eyebrows) reminds us that war is fucking ace when you are the eventual victor. It pisses all over Paths Of Glory.

S&S clickorama

http://www.bfi.org.uk/features/best-films-2017-all-the-votes/#/?poll=combined&film=59ba532494069

I have a pdf of that issue. I can dropbox it if anyone is interested.

Nick Schager finished his list

http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a52209/best-movies-of-2017/

A handful of critics seem to really like The Blackcoat's Daughter (directed by Oz Perkins, son of Anthony), but I found it alternately dull and yucky (but mostly dull).

blackcoat's daughter is terrrrrrrrrible i have no idea what people see in it

anyone watched Wormwood?

no, but I'm off tomorrow and was toying with seeing a noon arthouse showing.

may watch on Netflix tonight

I watched the first couple of installments - not yet convinced the diversion from Morris' usual style is particularly productive

AV Club: https://www.avclub.com/the-20-best-films-of-2017-1821431829

have we just committed to misspelling 'detritus' in the subject of this thread for 13 years?

https://i.imgur.com/U7Ghu2s.gif

"just"

fuuuuuck Logan so much, nice to see mother! on a list though

Re: Musto

The Beguiled?!

My group's finalists.

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
Willem Dafoe – The Florida Project

You didn't make enough phone calls beforehand, evidently.

hey man I used up minutes getting Nixon in.

Barry Keoghan – The Killing of A Sacred Deer

ok, wasn't expecting that

i notice this year in pretty much ALL the groups and orgs, the best sctors and scripts ALL speak/are in English

didn't used to happen

Since Bergman stopped making movies, more often than not tho.

As austerity politics has been tough to national film funding, a lot of international directors are making films in English as well. Lanthimos and Guadagnino and del Toro most conspicuously this year.

Bilge Ebiri posits a #1 that not many have yet: https://www.villagevoice.com/2017/12/21/songs-from-a-sunken-place-the-best-films-of-2017/

I'd hoped that would be After the Storm, which is the best Kore-eda in ages. Really, really, good.

I thought After the Storm was pleasant, but I struggle to think of anything remarkable about it. The few reviews I've read of it mirror your reaction far more than mine, though.

For me it's mostly that I thought Kore-eda had become too saccharine and slick on his latest films, but there's both some real darkness, and some unexpected filmic choices, in After the Storm. For instance the male lead is kinda too tall for a lot of the camera setups, which never failed to amuse me.

I can catch up on one of these three contenders today, which one do I go see?

Call Me By Your Name
Florida Project
Good Time

The first and third.

I liked The Florida Project but I'd still agree with Alfred.

Oh, wait only one. That is hard! Good Time is a safer bet but I'd personally say CMBYN.

thanks guys CMBYN was lovely :)

Wait till you see the lovelinesss of The Florida Project!

We recognized the loveliness of The Florida Project after all. I didn't expect a Dunkirk win. I included my final ballot therein.

Lol. On the other hand, you're the only group to not choose Dafoe, no?

I'd trade every Alison Janney in the world for one Dafoe.

Aw, why do you hate on Alison Janney, I like her :(

*google's "I hate Alison Janney" as part of my research to uncover whether ILX is the one place on the internet where you can find people being mean about Alison Janney*

to me, her career highlight is being killed by a bus.

Happy Christmas to one and all!

Sexy Rexy's top 10 (yawn) and bottom ten (lol)

http://observer.com/2017/12/rex-reeds-10-best-movies-and-10-worst-movies-of-2017/

Didn't the Observer lay him off midyear?

Nah, they just gave him a long bathroom break.

Bilge Ebiri on overlooked actors

https://www.villagevoice.com/2017/12/27/the-17-most-overlooked-performances-of-2017/

I had Adèle Haenel and Aubrey Plaza on two of my ballots. Agree about Sienna Miller (and had Charlie Hunnam on there too).

Haenel for BPM, that is.

I've had Aubrey Plaza on ballots in the past for far worse movies, so it pains me to say I haven't seen Ingrid Goes West yet.

Reverse Shot 10, led by A Quiet Passion and The Human Surge

http://reverseshot.org/features/2400/best_2017

v happy to see Colossal on a worst-of list

No Brigsby Bear on these lists is lame

Miami Film Awards went up.

Nat'l Film Soc has theirs this weekend I think. So help me, if they pick The Shape of Water...

I added the Ebiri piece Morbs just posted to our "to watch" list and can I just say after Everybody Wants Some!! and Ingrid Goes West, I'm really getting to like Wyatt Russell.

also IGW feels like a horror film wtf

This guy otm

https://i.imgur.com/DzT3xWi_d.jpg?maxwidth=640

also IGW feels like a horror film wtf

― El Tomboto

It sort of is.

This year's Slate Movie Club launches:

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_movie_club/features/2018/movie_club_2017/the_best_films_of_2017_in_the_slate_movie_club.html