We have less than a year to figure out everything that happens in Rogue One, folks. To reiterate:
Felicity Jones Mads MikkelsenBen MendelsohnAlan TudykDonnie YenForest WhitakerDiego Luna
Directed by the Monsters + Godzilla guy.
I'm piling the Lord & Miller Young Solo film in here too because no kidding, Rogue One is only eleven months away. That's crazy! As stated elsewhere I predict Franco the Younger gets the part.
― service desk hardman (El Tomboto), Friday, 22 January 2016 02:12 (eight years ago) link
I have been all about Ben Mendelsohn in pretty much everything he's ever been in, I see no reason to stop now
Monsters/Godzilla director has cornered visually-stunning-yet-disappointing like no other though, so I have ~concerns~
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 January 2016 02:17 (eight years ago) link
The screenplay looks to be a terrible hodgepodge. Story by an ILM technician, first draft by the guy behind Book of Eli and After Earth, second draft by the guy behind About A Boy and The Golden Compass. Then Christopher McQuarrie, who writes Tom Cruise movies, was brought in at the last minute to rewrite all of it. Yikes, people. Also, score by Not John Williams (Alexandre Desplat, whom I only know because of Wes Anderson movies).
Apparently they filmed in the Maldives (!?!) and Mads Mikkelsen is playing Felicity Jones' dad, who is also the Death Star's Oppenheimer.
Now, is Alan Tudyk going to be playing some sadistic lickspittle of an Imperial officer, or a cantina buffoon with a silly accent?
― service desk hardman (El Tomboto), Friday, 22 January 2016 05:23 (eight years ago) link
Rumors of Vader being cast for this as well with J E Jones returning to add the voice.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 22 January 2016 13:05 (eight years ago) link
Every attempt I've made to explain this movie's existence to non-hardcore fans has been a disaster. "What do you mean it has nothing to do with the last Star Wars? And nothing to do with the originals either? That's stupid. Why would they do that?"
― Meat Sheet (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 January 2016 13:12 (eight years ago) link
And I mean that literally. Literally every single person I've talked to about this who doesn't identify as a Star Wars fan is confused.
― Meat Sheet (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 January 2016 13:14 (eight years ago) link
The common link in all your failed conversations...
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 22 January 2016 13:23 (eight years ago) link
TBH, I'm a bit confused too why this is set in the timeline of the original trilogy and not somewhere between RotJ and TFA...? What's the point of going over things on which we already know how they happened, instead of fleshing out some of the unknown events in the 30 year gap between episodes VI and VII?
― Tuomas, Friday, 22 January 2016 13:37 (eight years ago) link
We don't know HOW they happened though, just broadly what happened. I don't care when they set it really, as long as they come up with an interesting story and some cool new characters. But that's the hard bit.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 22 January 2016 13:45 (eight years ago) link
non-hardcore fans OTM
Christopher McQuarrie did write a Tom Cruise movie that had a very good first 40 minutes (Edge of Tomorrow) and, a long time ago in a Hollywood far far away, the overcelebrated but cute The Usual Suspects. What the hell is a Rogue One?
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 January 2016 15:25 (eight years ago) link
It's a one that has gone rogue
― latebloomer, Friday, 22 January 2016 16:46 (eight years ago) link
you mean a 7
― service desk hardman (El Tomboto), Friday, 22 January 2016 16:49 (eight years ago) link
A one with an combover
― latebloomer, Friday, 22 January 2016 16:51 (eight years ago) link
Man-bun One
― service desk hardman (El Tomboto), Friday, 22 January 2016 16:55 (eight years ago) link
I did like that promo cast pic they put out.
http://cdn.idigitaltimes.com/sites/idigitaltimes.com/files/2016/01/06/star-wars-rogue-one.jpg
Where my reactions were:
1. Whoa, this looks different. This looks cool. Okay, I can dig this.
2. Alright, Donnie Yen in a SW flick. Let's do this.
3. Man, Felicity Jones is...very, very attractive.
Really not looking forward to the two months of "they don't look like bothans!"/"they're not bothans, idiot; that was the 2nd one" exchanges tho.
― Darkest Cosmologist junk (kingfish), Friday, 22 January 2016 16:57 (eight years ago) link
I wonder how much Rogue One was either pitched or constructed years ago as the studio(s) hedging their bets against a new SW flick bombing out? "Ok, folks might not dig the new chapter, so let's play it extra-safe and set it back in OT times"
― Darkest Cosmologist junk (kingfish), Friday, 22 January 2016 17:00 (eight years ago) link
what's with that gaudy red plate that guy is wearing? clashing so sharply with the nice dull palette of brown and grey they have going on. tone it down, buddy!
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 22 January 2016 17:17 (eight years ago) link
is this Star Wars or a Lisa Frank lunchbox?
looks like mandalorian armor
― ﷽ (diamonddave85), Friday, 22 January 2016 17:18 (eight years ago) link
https://secure.static.tumblr.com/1abf429207b6eb04c20119407a2a3ca5/y9tpqya/wc3n85aln/tumblr_static_tumblr_static_5zgqb2cc0accsc8kksks004w8_640.jpghttp://cdn.idigitaltimes.com/sites/idigitaltimes.com/files/2016/01/06/star-wars-rogue-one.jpg
― Karl Malone, Friday, 22 January 2016 17:20 (eight years ago) link
the excitement coming from that picture is just too overwhelming
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 22 January 2016 17:20 (eight years ago) link
this is gonna be GREAT so stoked
― Οὖτις, Friday, 22 January 2016 17:23 (eight years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/LSSmvgd.jpghttp://cdn.idigitaltimes.com/sites/idigitaltimes.com/files/2016/01/06/star-wars-rogue-one.jpg
― Karl Malone, Friday, 22 January 2016 17:23 (eight years ago) link
haha, sorry, i'll stop
― Karl Malone, Friday, 22 January 2016 17:24 (eight years ago) link
I'd like to think the movie will just be that photograph Clutch Cargo-ed for two hours.
― Meat Sheet (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 January 2016 17:25 (eight years ago) link
they should really carry this idea through to other franchises. imagine a Harry Potter without magic and without Harry Potter or any of his friends. GOLD!
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 22 January 2016 17:30 (eight years ago) link
is that a promo still for the new USA series Stargate: Alderaan?
― nomar, Friday, 22 January 2016 17:30 (eight years ago) link
xpost I don't know if you're being ironical but there's a Harry Potterless Harry Potter movie coming out later this year.
― Meat Sheet (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 January 2016 17:32 (eight years ago) link
Star Wars: Redecorating the Kitchen in a Subleased Ranch House in Newport, CT
― Karl Malone, Friday, 22 January 2016 17:34 (eight years ago) link
xpost i was not being ironic, lol i must have forgot that is actually happening
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 22 January 2016 17:36 (eight years ago) link
lol what is this Harry Potterless movie, Dudley Goes to Camp?
― Οὖτις, Friday, 22 January 2016 17:37 (eight years ago) link
Star Wars: Weekend Shift Workers Pausing To Watch the Chiefs Lose Thanks To Andy Reid's Clock Management
― nomar, Friday, 22 January 2016 17:37 (eight years ago) link
cast photo looks like another sw w women/minority characters driving the action, so that's a point in its favor already
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 22 January 2016 17:41 (eight years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Friday, January 22, 2016 11:37 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Eddie Redmayne in magical early-20th Century NYC!
― Meat Sheet (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 January 2016 17:43 (eight years ago) link
a shed full of set photos and such for Rogue One
http://imgur.com/a/N75pb
Donnie Yen apparently tweeted some new helmets, get excited
― service desk hardman (El Tomboto), Thursday, 28 January 2016 12:58 (eight years ago) link
http://io9.gizmodo.com/why-rogue-one-is-as-important-to-star-wars-as-episode-v-1761067899
(maybe onus is a better word)
― Sith Dog (El Tomboto), Thursday, 25 February 2016 15:20 (eight years ago) link
Presumably, this will also be the first Star Wars movie not to include a Jedi (or possibly even anyone with Force sensitivity). Perhaps most importantly, it’s going to be the first Star Wars film without a Skywalker at its center.
I guess the writer hasn't seen the two Ewok movies?
― Tuomas, Thursday, 25 February 2016 15:57 (eight years ago) link
rob fuckin' bricken
980 words to say 'disney will make more movies like this if this one makes money'
― Butt here is always time for the John Mayer Trio or Sting. (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 25 February 2016 15:59 (eight years ago) link
I have a piece in the pipeline offering the counterpoint that if the movie underperforms it may affect Disney's willingness to take similar chances in the future. It's a lid blower.
― Lisa Welchel's Madcap Macrame Adventure for Windows 2000 (Old Lunch), Thursday, 25 February 2016 16:03 (eight years ago) link
Rogue One has the opportunity (maybe onus is a better word) to realize this fundamental quality of the Star Wars universe on screen—to attempt to see if the depth that has always seemed a part of the franchise is in fact real, or merely an illusion.
fyi: nothing about star wars is real
also this is a horribly formed 'sentence'
The answer depends entirely on the fate of this first stand-alone film, and thus it will shape the future of the Star Wars movies far more than the Force itself. Are the pilots of Rogue One up for this integral mission? I’m sure they’re standing by.
srs q: is english rob bricken's first language
― Butt here is always time for the John Mayer Trio or Sting. (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 25 February 2016 16:06 (eight years ago) link
his entire premise is flawed bc The Phantom Menace proved you could make an absolute crap Star Wars and people will still want more
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 25 February 2016 16:09 (eight years ago) link
also the other two prequels
Rogue One: Integral Mission, winter 2018.
― Lisa Welchel's Madcap Macrame Adventure for Windows 2000 (Old Lunch), Thursday, 25 February 2016 16:10 (eight years ago) link
yeah but will people see an absolute crap star wars that doesn't have a skywalker in it
people love skywalkers dude
― Butt here is always time for the John Mayer Trio or Sting. (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 25 February 2016 16:13 (eight years ago) link
you're right people unanimously think Anakin is the best part of the prequel trilogy
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 25 February 2016 16:14 (eight years ago) link
People were very into the character of Anakin but iirc the unanimous praise was actually directed towards the actors who portrayed him.
― Lisa Welchel's Madcap Macrame Adventure for Windows 2000 (Old Lunch), Thursday, 25 February 2016 16:54 (eight years ago) link
Someone saw Rogue One footage at a Disney shereholder meeting:
Most of it was very quick. A shot of the black stormtrooper, possibly called Death Troopers as previously reported, another pic of that same style of helmet and armor but all chrome, reminiscent of Captain Phasma from The Force Awakens, an image showed two AT-ATs that had a slightly different look with the door panel on the side of the body painted a lighter beige color. And a couple cast photos were shown, one of Felicity & Diego Luna and another of Donnie Yen. The clip featured Felicity’s character on what looked like the inside of a ship or shuttle with her arm up holding on and the hatch/ramp open behind her. I wish I could remember what she said as part of the sizzle but it went by too fast. The new stormtroopers looked great. …It all looked great, had a classic Star Wars/A New Hope look & feel. Bob Iger said that they didn’t have footage but that it & Episode VIII had been filming as previously stated. I’m definitely more excited for the film since it will be set close to the classic trilogy time & like I said it definitely had a similar look/feel.
It all looked great, had a classic Star Wars/A New Hope look & feel. Bob Iger said that they didn’t have footage but that it & Episode VIII had been filming as previously stated. I’m definitely more excited for the film since it will be set close to the classic trilogy time & like I said it definitely had a similar look/feel.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Saturday, 5 March 2016 14:34 (eight years ago) link
the most teasery of teasers, maybe a second of footage
https://twitter.com/starwars/status/717841838044872709?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 6 April 2016 23:16 (eight years ago) link
a burning moisture vaporator? jesus fuck.
― how's life, Thursday, 7 April 2016 01:20 (eight years ago) link
You a fan of moisture vaporators?
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 7 April 2016 03:07 (eight years ago) link
i prefer their earlier work
― a lad of balls (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 7 April 2016 09:28 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/starwars/status/718043194378682373
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Thursday, 7 April 2016 11:56 (eight years ago) link
Gotta say I love the siren.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Thursday, 7 April 2016 11:58 (eight years ago) link
Can't beat a quality British accent on the villains.
Epic Forest Whitaker + burly dude with dreads is producing a mild Battlefield Earth flashback, but it'll pass.
Also more tears from the MRAs +++++++
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 7 April 2016 12:18 (eight years ago) link
I can't tell from the IMDB page who is playing Mon Mothma, but holy hell that's good casting. I would almost swear they face-mapped the original actress onto someone. And the costumes and sets look terrific as well. Looks like we finally get to see a Grand Admiral actually doing things on screen instead of just sitting at a conference table.
― T.L.O.P.son (Phil D.), Thursday, 7 April 2016 12:35 (eight years ago) link
actually got chills when Donnie Yen popped up with some badassery - and i'm not a man who often chills
― jamiesummerz, Thursday, 7 April 2016 12:37 (eight years ago) link
Gotta admit, looks terrific.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 7 April 2016 12:38 (eight years ago) link
holy shit, this looks amazing
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Thursday, 7 April 2016 12:43 (eight years ago) link
Also 99% certain that Alan Tudyk will be voicing the gangly-looking droid you can see in a bunch of shots.
― T.L.O.P.son (Phil D.), Thursday, 7 April 2016 12:45 (eight years ago) link
ohhhh shit
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 7 April 2016 12:48 (eight years ago) link
Some of the comments on the twitter make the point* that we don't see Darth Vader in this, which is interesting - it'd be a better movie without him, but I can see how it could be seen as 'cheating'.
*mostly in the key of waaaah, but so it goes.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 7 April 2016 12:55 (eight years ago) link
I sure as fuck HOPE we don't have to see Darth Vader in this. Have we not seen enough Darth Vader in our lives? I think that would suck. But this is only the first teaser trailer. If he is in there, there is a chance they'll save it for a later reveal.
― how's life, Thursday, 7 April 2016 12:59 (eight years ago) link
if I recall correctly, Darth Vader wasn't exactly in love with the Death Star in the original film. Maybe he got involved in a later stage.
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Thursday, 7 April 2016 12:59 (eight years ago) link
With the counter ticking down, they'll finally be captured, but as they are being escorted to their doom, their captors will suddenly fly horizontally off one of those rail-less bridges. Looking around, they see a distant black-caped figure giving them a double thumbs-up..
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 7 April 2016 13:20 (eight years ago) link
Checking twitter, there is mixed speculation as to whether DV will be in this. Some seem to think the shot at 1:18 is him. Once again, I really really hope that this is someone different from the Galactic Empire.
― how's life, Thursday, 7 April 2016 13:20 (eight years ago) link
yeah, looks fun
against all the odds marvel's current darth vader comicbook is really good - if he does have to be in rogue one it'd be nice to acknowledge the comics somehow
― a lad of balls (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 7 April 2016 13:21 (eight years ago) link
Hang on, is the protagonist called Gin Ulcer?
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 7 April 2016 13:22 (eight years ago) link
Some seem to think the shot at 1:18 is him.
I tried to pause there and that just looks to me like someone with a hood up. Not bulky-looking or broad-shouldered enough to be Vader.
― T.L.O.P.son (Phil D.), Thursday, 7 April 2016 13:23 (eight years ago) link
As long as JEJ is still with us I'll be cool with Vader being in things.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 7 April 2016 13:25 (eight years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/RKmPjfH.jpg
― T.L.O.P.son (Phil D.), Thursday, 7 April 2016 13:25 (eight years ago) link
Pretty excited to see Ben Mendelsohn as a creepy imperial fucker.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Thursday, 7 April 2016 13:29 (eight years ago) link
xp that looks like the emperor to me.
Guys we get one of these movies every year now! THE SYSTEM WORKS
― other people systems as applicable (El Tomboto), Thursday, 7 April 2016 13:38 (eight years ago) link
Why are the rebels and the stormtroopers trying to catch trains at a metro station
― other people systems as applicable (El Tomboto), Thursday, 7 April 2016 13:39 (eight years ago) link
Also does anybody else think they cast FW basically just to be the guy who says the trailer stuff? I bet you he has one scene and we just saw most of it
― other people systems as applicable (El Tomboto), Thursday, 7 April 2016 13:41 (eight years ago) link
this trailer only for my true rebel scum
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 7 April 2016 13:43 (eight years ago) link
The Mon Mothma actresses from ROTJ, ROTS and this trailer:
http://i.imgur.com/hL4icUM.jpg
― T.L.O.P.son (Phil D.), Thursday, 7 April 2016 14:31 (eight years ago) link
^^Many Bothans died to bring you that picture.
That's consistency!
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 7 April 2016 14:32 (eight years ago) link
which one of these characters is Manny Both'anns?
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 7 April 2016 14:32 (eight years ago) link
Same actress as ROTS in this new one I think
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 7 April 2016 14:37 (eight years ago) link
https://41.media.tumblr.com/18e0030586da8d61c4ec140204defbc4/tumblr_o59phifPxu1rixqh9o1_400.png
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/southpark/images/e/e9/ScottTenormanMustDie30.gif
― T.L.O.P.son (Phil D.), Thursday, 7 April 2016 14:48 (eight years ago) link
why are females in movies? someone explain to me
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Thursday, 7 April 2016 14:51 (eight years ago) link
I have no idea how people can watch things and have that reaction
they made the main hero of the trailer human, now that's some xenophobia, I will not countenance this continued hatred
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 7 April 2016 14:53 (eight years ago) link
good point, main character should have been a Bothan, they are constantly dying in the background for the rebel cause, but never get a starring role
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Thursday, 7 April 2016 14:54 (eight years ago) link
lol
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 7 April 2016 15:03 (eight years ago) link
glad to see the trend started in Rebels of small unaffiliated groups that are rising up getting drafted into a coordinated rebellion
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 7 April 2016 15:07 (eight years ago) link
Okay, I was skeptical, but this looks pretty good. In fact, I daresay I'm more hyped about this trailer than I was about any of the Force Awakens trailers.
― My Whole Existence Is Flan (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 April 2016 16:02 (eight years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:18 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm all around
― goole, Thursday, 7 April 2016 16:17 (eight years ago) link
the guys from The Raid were criminally underused in Force Awakens; they need to correct that with Mr Yen this time. Ip Man vs The Empire is some sort of dream.
― jamiesummerz, Thursday, 7 April 2016 16:46 (eight years ago) link
I hope they eventually make an all-female Star Wars movie. Hospitals will need to get some extra help in the stroke wards on the day it's announced.
― My Whole Existence Is Flan (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 April 2016 16:58 (eight years ago) link
hehe "stroke wards" i c what u did there
― T.L.O.P.son (Phil D.), Thursday, 7 April 2016 17:16 (eight years ago) link
so just to confirm, this movie is not part of some other trilogy right, just a one off? Trailer did admittedly look pretty good to me, and that story line in particular is a good one, if you're going to just revisit old stuff. Probably anticlimactic tho
― Dominique, Thursday, 7 April 2016 17:28 (eight years ago) link
it is the same actress from ROTS:
http://www.hitfix.com/harpy/mon-mothma-actress-gets-the-last-laugh-after-being-cut-from-star-wars-revenge-of-the-sith
although she looks younger now
― akm, Thursday, 7 April 2016 17:29 (eight years ago) link
it's not part of another trilogy, these will all be one-offs
guys the Bothans died getting the plans for the *second* Death Starsheesh
― other people systems as applicable (El Tomboto), Thursday, 7 April 2016 18:15 (eight years ago) link
yes, but I need that joke NOW
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 7 April 2016 18:17 (eight years ago) link
hey hey we're the Bothanspeople say we Bothan aroundbut we're to busy asking"wtf does 'Bothan' mean as a verb"
― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Thursday, 7 April 2016 19:01 (eight years ago) link
we're not bothan nobody
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 7 April 2016 19:02 (eight years ago) link
I had the stomach flu last night and was Bothan out of both ends.
― My Whole Existence Is Flan (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 April 2016 19:04 (eight years ago) link
Mon Mothma!Poet and a prophetMon Mothma!Taught me bout the Bothans
― how's life, Thursday, 7 April 2016 19:05 (eight years ago) link
Nice.
― My Whole Existence Is Flan (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 April 2016 19:07 (eight years ago) link
"wtf does 'Bothan' mean as a verb"
Basically the same as 'smurf', e.g. "Many Bothans bothaned to bothan this information."
― jmm, Thursday, 7 April 2016 19:10 (eight years ago) link
Oh, bothan
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 7 April 2016 19:12 (eight years ago) link
I think they cast him so I can say "Star Wars: The Forest Awhitakens", and then shuffle embarrassedly off the thread.
― Don't Stop 'Til You Get Eno, Ugh (ledge), Thursday, 7 April 2016 20:15 (eight years ago) link
― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Thursday, 7 April 2016 20:18 (eight years ago) link
there better be some good forest whitaker content in this thing, is what i'm saying
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 7 April 2016 20:18 (eight years ago) link
dude has had too many "I'm a cop / I'm a crooked cop" roles in the last decade, I want some Ghost Dog Awakens
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 7 April 2016 20:22 (eight years ago) link
Apparently his character's name is "Eel Leader" so it sounds like that's the direction they went
― bothan zulu (El Tomboto), Thursday, 7 April 2016 21:43 (eight years ago) link
there better be some good forest whitaker content in this thing, is what i'm saying― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, April 7, 2016 3:18 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, April 7, 2016 3:18 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i think you'll have to wait until the blu-ray release for the star wars: rogue one: special forest whitaker'd edition, unfortunately
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 7 April 2016 22:01 (eight years ago) link
Shit, that is actually Canary Wharf tube station. Unless they went to all the trouble of building a set that looks *exactly* like Canary Wharf with some SW moulded panels stuck on.
― Don't Stop 'Til You Get Eno, Ugh (ledge), Thursday, 7 April 2016 22:14 (eight years ago) link
Oh wow that's terrific. You can see exactly where the signs and benches are, just covered in a big hollow sci-fi box. And they painted
http://www.whiteclarkegroup.com/images/event-images/Canary-Wharf-tube-station.jpg
― bothan zulu (El Tomboto), Thursday, 7 April 2016 23:30 (eight years ago) link
bleah. painted the floor, it looks like.
BTW those beige troopers are wearing the third helmet from that Donnie Yen instagram shot. Neat!
― bothan zulu (El Tomboto), Thursday, 7 April 2016 23:31 (eight years ago) link
ah yay another movie about a death star.
that makes, what, 4 now?
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 8 April 2016 02:17 (eight years ago) link
oh dude spoiler alert - we don't even know for sure what kind of weapons system it is, that's what they have to FIND OUT
― bothan zulu (El Tomboto), Friday, 8 April 2016 02:19 (eight years ago) link
oh yeah we saw it being built in Ep III also.
so 5 of 8 Star Wars movies have a death star
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 8 April 2016 02:20 (eight years ago) link
also 5 of 8 have some form of huge walking tank
7 of 8 have a Yoda
patterns are everywhere
― bothan zulu (El Tomboto), Friday, 8 April 2016 02:23 (eight years ago) link
how do the at-ats travel from like the snow to tropical island
do they go through watercan they fly
i have questions
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 April 2016 02:28 (eight years ago) link
http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhrm9fxyWl1qatgt2o1_1280.jpg
― a hairy, howling toad torments a man whose wife is deathly ill (James Morrison), Friday, 8 April 2016 02:34 (eight years ago) link
No lightsabres, though. That's a first?
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Friday, 8 April 2016 10:48 (eight years ago) link
also 5 of 8 have some form of huge walking tank7 of 8 have a Yodapatterns are everywhere
8 out of 8 feature white people in leading roles
― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Friday, 8 April 2016 11:04 (eight years ago) link
This trailer doesn't seem to show any aliens. Possibly one at 1:04-1:05 behind the character in the foreground. Hands/arms look to be the wrong proportion for a human.
― how's life, Friday, 8 April 2016 11:57 (eight years ago) link
I still appreciate the theory that Darth Vader is a strong black man and revealing him as a shriveled old white dude in ROTJ was straight up racism
― μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 8 April 2016 12:42 (eight years ago) link
"theory"
― Keks + Nuss (contenderizer), Friday, 8 April 2016 12:59 (eight years ago) link
somehow that got "Back That Azz Up" stuck in my head
― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Friday, 8 April 2016 13:16 (eight years ago) link
it's like poetry
― $250, same as downtown (stevie), Friday, 8 April 2016 13:19 (eight years ago) link
Always wondered abt this as a kid
― tobo73, Friday, 8 April 2016 13:50 (eight years ago) link
Movie about the Rebels stealing the Death Star plans has the Death Star in, what a shocking development, color me amazed, etc. etc.
― T.L.O.P.son (Phil D.), Friday, 8 April 2016 13:51 (eight years ago) link
at-ats travel in imperial at-at carriers obv
― a lad of balls (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 8 April 2016 14:03 (eight years ago) link
yeah, afaik they're air-dropped
― μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 8 April 2016 14:05 (eight years ago) link
built on-site, abandoned after use. evil empire, ffs.
― Keks + Nuss (contenderizer), Friday, 8 April 2016 14:07 (eight years ago) link
AT-ATs can swim, and their powerful legs allow them to jump from planet to planet.
― My Whole Existence Is Flan (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 April 2016 14:11 (eight years ago) link
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Y-85_Titan_dropship
― how's life, Friday, 8 April 2016 14:14 (eight years ago) link
summoned to the battlefield from an alternate robodimension where they graze peacefully and forced into battle by the power of the dark side
― a lad of balls (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 8 April 2016 14:15 (eight years ago) link
Blissfully ignorant of the horrors of harpoons and tow cables.
― jmm, Friday, 8 April 2016 14:16 (eight years ago) link
after playing that star wars battlefront game, seeing people scattering in the trailer in front of a couple at-ats really kicked in my impulse to run
― μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 8 April 2016 14:30 (eight years ago) link
mr veg & i had a v silly conversation about the at-ats wherein i posited that they had rocket boosters on their feet & mr veg was like lol those things can barely walk as it is, etc
picturing them *trying* to fly is v funny
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 April 2016 15:53 (eight years ago) link
One of my favorite t-shirts I own has this image on it:
http://fashionablygeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/feeding-the-chicken-walkers.jpg
― T.L.O.P.son (Phil D.), Friday, 8 April 2016 15:57 (eight years ago) link
<3
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 April 2016 16:03 (eight years ago) link
disney will really be missing out on an audience of hip young millennials if we don't see at least one at-at twerking
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Friday, 8 April 2016 16:29 (eight years ago) link
at-ats w palm trees in the background Thrilled me tbh
lol @ this, reminded me of much happy childhood study of the manual for starcraft
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Friday, 8 April 2016 16:30 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, palm trees definitely gets us into a new climate. Was so ready for an unfamiliar setting after TFA.
― how's life, Friday, 8 April 2016 16:46 (eight years ago) link
technically all the organisms in the trailer are aliens tbf
― a lad of balls (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 8 April 2016 16:53 (eight years ago) link
The great debate: Are the people in the Star Wars movies humans?
― My Whole Existence Is Flan (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 April 2016 16:54 (eight years ago) link
I think reading that thread years ago was the first time I'd realised the Star Wars crew are all filthy alien scum
― a lad of balls (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 8 April 2016 16:57 (eight years ago) link
I did waffle for a minute over how to differentiate between basic human-type space people and less human-ish space people, but just decided that everybody would know what the hell I meant. Is there any wookiepedia-approved guidance for delineation between bipedal space species?
― how's life, Friday, 8 April 2016 17:19 (eight years ago) link
lol we got the scoop on gizmodo
http://gizmodo.com/the-death-star-has-the-most-impressive-public-transit-s-1769764825
― bothan zulu (El Tomboto), Friday, 8 April 2016 17:22 (eight years ago) link
This makes the 8th movie where shit happens on planets. Can't they just shoot a camera off into space and film the void or something?
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 8 April 2016 17:31 (eight years ago) link
You'd think it was called "Planet Wars" or something.
― how's life, Friday, 8 April 2016 17:42 (eight years ago) link
Has anyone even fought a star in these movies yet? Such a ripoff.
― My Whole Existence Is Flan (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 April 2016 18:01 (eight years ago) link
Wow I've learned a lot abt At-At transport today thx ppl
― tobo73, Friday, 8 April 2016 18:01 (eight years ago) link
Are AT-STs the babies of AT-ATs? I've always wondered.
― My Whole Existence Is Flan (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 April 2016 18:02 (eight years ago) link
DEATH stars, if those count xp
― kevin smith what a bro (Myonga Vön Bontee), Friday, 8 April 2016 18:13 (eight years ago) link
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--GLtQuylw--/18mnsllx67vt6jpg.jpg
this is mechanically separated AT-AT. it's what the empire uses to make their AT-STs. disgusting
― qualx, Friday, 8 April 2016 18:16 (eight years ago) link
So AT-STs are basically walking dinosaur nuggets.
― My Whole Existence Is Flan (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 April 2016 18:21 (eight years ago) link
Chicken (McNugget) Walkers
(That took me way too long.)
― My Whole Existence Is Flan (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 April 2016 18:30 (eight years ago) link
This has nothing to do with Rogue One (or does it...?) but since this is currently the happening Star Wars thread, I thought I should post here that I just learned the name of the Tusken Raider that attacked Luke, and his name is URoRRuR'R'R. That is precisely the kind of name I used to give imagined characters in elementary school. It's stupid and I love it.
― My Whole Existence Is Flan (Old Lunch), Saturday, 9 April 2016 00:41 (eight years ago) link
The best part is when you pronounce the name backwards
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 9 April 2016 05:42 (eight years ago) link
http://www.balloonsabuzz.com.au/images/stories/virtuemart/product/scooby-doo-ruh-roh.jpg
― My Whole Existence Is Flan (Old Lunch), Saturday, 9 April 2016 05:47 (eight years ago) link
roislecxe
― bothan zulu (El Tomboto), Saturday, 9 April 2016 17:57 (eight years ago) link
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zatanna#/media/File%3AZatanna_by_Brian_Boland.jpg
― Darkest Cosmologist junk (kingfish), Saturday, 9 April 2016 20:20 (eight years ago) link
please note I stated this back in January so I guess I scooped Mads Mikkelsen about his own job?
http://io9.gizmodo.com/mads-mikkelsen-might-have-just-dropped-a-huge-rogue-one-1773632382
― bothan zulu (El Tomboto), Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:33 (seven years ago) link
I wouldn't put it past Mads to be making a silly Star Wars joke
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:53 (seven years ago) link
young han solo, everybodyhttp://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/35/22/4c/35224c0084fcb54ded5713bbbfee0715.jpg
― bothan zulu (El Tomboto), Friday, 6 May 2016 13:37 (seven years ago) link
Coen Brothers continuing their scouting work for Star Wars, there.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 6 May 2016 13:39 (seven years ago) link
he was good in that coppola film as well.
― ryan, Friday, 6 May 2016 13:51 (seven years ago) link
ruh roh!!!
The much-anticipated “Rogue One” is due for release on Dec. 16, but we’re told bosses at Disney are not fully satisfied with the first cut from director Gareth Edwards.One Hollywood source told us, “The execs at Disney are not happy with the movie, and ‘Rogue One’ will have to go back into four weeks of expensive reshoots in July.”
One Hollywood source told us, “The execs at Disney are not happy with the movie, and ‘Rogue One’ will have to go back into four weeks of expensive reshoots in July.”
let me guess everybody died at the end and nobody liked it
The source added, “Disney won’t take a back seat, and is demanding changes, as the movie isn’t testing well.”
yup
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 17:58 (seven years ago) link
Just slap a new Blake Shelton song over that bleak ending and get ready to watch some focus group faces light up.
― I Do Dumb Things And Then I Cry (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 31 May 2016 18:02 (seven years ago) link
they can just add a scene where someone yells "oh wait they're not quite dead" and throw all of them in a dumpster of bacta
― μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 31 May 2016 18:03 (seven years ago) link
(Honestly would not be at all surprised to learn that some of the complaints were along the lines of "Where's Rey?")
― I Do Dumb Things And Then I Cry (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 31 May 2016 18:04 (seven years ago) link
xpost Or like the ending of Freddy Got Fingered, where a kid walked out of the shot and into a plane's propellors, showering everyone onscreen with blood just before the studio-mandated paste-in of the kid saying "I'm okay!"
― I Do Dumb Things And Then I Cry (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 31 May 2016 18:06 (seven years ago) link
What, somebody didn't read the script? "Hey, we can't sell any dead Han Solo action figures this way."
― Sentient animated cat gif (kingfish), Tuesday, 31 May 2016 18:29 (seven years ago) link
(Honestly would not be at all surprised to learn that some of the complaints were along the lines of "Where's Rey?")― I Do Dumb Things And Then I Cry (Old Lunch), Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:04 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― I Do Dumb Things And Then I Cry (Old Lunch), Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:04 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This boils down my son's complaint about the trailer. "This doesn't have anything to do with the last movie. I have to wait for three years to find out what happened in that one?"
I'm bummed. The trailer looked so so good to me.
― how's life, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 18:32 (seven years ago) link
Back in my day, kid, we had to wait three years AND suffer through issue after issue of Starlog to get production reports and rumors! Suck it up!
― a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Tuesday, 31 May 2016 18:33 (seven years ago) link
Maybe the director spent the entire SFX budget on blow and all of the battles wound up with him smashing old-school Kenner vehicles into one another against a green screen while his coke buddy goes "PEW PEW P-PEW" offscreen.
― I Do Dumb Things And Then I Cry (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 31 May 2016 18:34 (seven years ago) link
i never ask the entertainment-industrial complex for anything but i did ask for a cynical girl space fighter jock star wars movie so of course it's getting cold feet now
― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 31 May 2016 18:40 (seven years ago) link
Edwards is obviously good at making things look cool, but he's yet to demonstrate the ability to tell a good story. Or even make a non-boring movie. Trailer tells us nothing really.
― Number None, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 18:47 (seven years ago) link
Man, the trailer before Civil War looked incredible on the screen.
Current best trailer-to-worst movie ratio champ is Jarhead but if this is bad it would come close.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 31 May 2016 22:39 (seven years ago) link
thought it looked cheap & dull, but the at-ats picked things up a bit
― like $500 billion in stuffed fart sales and I have an idea (contenderizer), Wednesday, 1 June 2016 02:57 (seven years ago) link
Star Wars universe is supposed to look cheap and dull
― μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 1 June 2016 03:37 (seven years ago) link
ehhh the Rogue One trailer wasn't that good imoxp nah, Star Wars looks used and lived-in, not cheap and dull
― Nhex, Wednesday, 1 June 2016 03:44 (seven years ago) link
Rumour: 40% of R1 is being reshot.
Some crew initially heard J.J. Abrams was supervising the reshoots.Gareth Edwards is doing the reshoots himself but with a partner, Christopher McQuarrie.Christopher McQuarrie, the final writer on Rogue One will be working extensively with Edwards onset to make sure they’re on the “same page” with the most recent draft of the film.Christopher McQuarrie’s draft of Rogue One: A Star Wars Story was considered superior to the film they shot previously.It was not Edwards’ fault as McQuarrie’s draft wasn’t completed when much of the film was shot and revisions kept coming in that made the film feel uneven.32 sets have been recreated for the reshoot.The crew expects they are reshooting 40% of the film.They are working 6 days a week for 8 weeks.
http://makingstarwars.net/2016/06/how-extensive-will-the-rogue-one-reshoots-be/
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Thursday, 2 June 2016 22:39 (seven years ago) link
this is why I give no fucks when hollywood complains about films not making enough money because of piracy or whatever bullshit
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 2 June 2016 22:45 (seven years ago) link
Do you care to clarify that line of reasoning at all?
Anyway, sounds like they rushed it, if McQuarrie was that far from finished when they started shooting. I liked the trailer a lot, though! Especially in the theater.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 2 June 2016 22:50 (seven years ago) link
Just that Hollywood should stop flushing its own money down the toilet before they accuse their audience of stealing from them
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 2 June 2016 23:04 (seven years ago) link
because they're reshooting some stuff?
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 2 June 2016 23:10 (seven years ago) link
40%? jesus christ.
― how's life, Thursday, 2 June 2016 23:31 (seven years ago) link
Literally all American films of any size are represented wholly and specifically by anything Gareth Edwards ever does.
― glandular lansbury (sic), Thursday, 2 June 2016 23:38 (seven years ago) link
It was not Edwards’ fault as McQuarrie’s draft wasn’t completed when much of the film was shot and revisions kept coming in that made the film feel uneven.
rly love the visual here, spectacled man sitting at typewriter alone in windowless room, intern coming in whenever a page falls free & dashing carrying it aloft to the full-scale exploding galaxy mockup in the next room
― schlump, Friday, 3 June 2016 05:04 (seven years ago) link
lol worse things have been done
I think they admitted that the James Bond film that was shot during the writers strike had a lot of Bond dialogue written by Daniel Craig
― μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 3 June 2016 17:28 (seven years ago) link
It was really weird in that scene where 007 went on and on about his favorite Pokemon
― Star Wars ate shiitake (latebloomer), Friday, 3 June 2016 17:48 (seven years ago) link
oh wow you're not kidding http://collider.com/daniel-craig-quantum-of-solace-script-problems/
― El Tomboto, Friday, 3 June 2016 17:53 (seven years ago) link
lol latebloomer. I think if Craig did another Bond film he would probably be irritated enough to talk about pocket monsters all day
― μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 3 June 2016 18:48 (seven years ago) link
xp lol that explains a lot about how bad that movie was
― Nhex, Friday, 3 June 2016 20:38 (seven years ago) link
I liked how it was straightforward plot progression and action scenes without Mendes' sloppy emotional beats tbh
― μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 3 June 2016 20:40 (seven years ago) link
the problem with mendes is he really think he's a maestro at composing a beautiful shot but his films grind to a halt when he's not shooting action scenes (and sometimes even then too.) skyfall was about as exciting as road to perdition when craig wasn't riding motorcycles on top of trains. He's terrible at narrative momentum. forster wasn't especially a good pic for QoS but I think the Bourne-style pacing kept that movie going forward pretty briskly. Said this elsewhere but I kinda want to tell these producers that no one really cares who's directing a bond film, you just need a craftsman like Martin Campbell. You don't need a name. Cf goldeneye and CR.
Gareth Edwards is more mendes than anything unfortunately, I did like the Rogue One trailer but parts of it skewed towards a skyfallian portentousness.
― nomar, Friday, 3 June 2016 22:23 (seven years ago) link
Ok wait apparently it's not McQuarrie, it's Tony Gilroy, and there were no test screenings.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/one-of-the-writers-behind-jason-bourne-is-now-helping-w-1780449151
Something is happening, for sure!
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 4 June 2016 01:18 (seven years ago) link
it's me, I'm actually on set and not on a vacation right now
― μpright mammal (mh), Saturday, 4 June 2016 07:18 (seven years ago) link
the problem with mendes is he really think he's a maestro at composing a beautiful shot but his films grind to a halt when he's not shooting action scenes (and sometimes even then too.)
wait, "he really think[s] he's a maestro"? you have it on some authority that his hubris dominated the editing? i ask because the most riveting moments in the last couple bond films were consistently the most beautiful: the skyscraper assassination setup and manor approach in skyfall, belluci's walk through her house and the casino approach in spectre.
― the world over the crotch. (contenderizer), Saturday, 4 June 2016 07:38 (seven years ago) link
God knows what I want out of a bond movie is not pacing or a sense of momentum but a riveting building approach.
― nomar, Saturday, 4 June 2016 10:32 (seven years ago) link
i don't really like bond movies, so an interesting moment or two is fine by me
― the world over the crotch. (contenderizer), Saturday, 4 June 2016 20:06 (seven years ago) link
I talked to Mendes and he assures me his hubris was meant to take center stage, and then he asked me a few times if I saw American Beauty and kept saying things about winning awards
― μpright mammal (mh), Saturday, 4 June 2016 22:21 (seven years ago) link
kind of agree that Bond movies are about crazy moments and sequences and not being actually good films at all
― Nhex, Sunday, 5 June 2016 04:14 (seven years ago) link
http://io9.gizmodo.com/weve-finally-got-some-solid-details-on-rogue-one-a-sta-1782419027
― how's life, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 14:21 (seven years ago) link
http://www.ew.com/gallery/star-wars-rogue-one-characters/2642918_forest-whitaker
???? (Forest Whitaker)This character has a past that Star Wars completists will recognize immediately when they see his name, even if he looks very different than the way they've seen him elsewhere. (He even looks different from when we saw him in the teaser trailer.) There's so much to say about this character, we’re going to save his revelation for later today. Check back to EW.com around 2 p.m. ET/11 a.m. PT for a deeper exploration of this shadowy figure ...
― a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 16:26 (seven years ago) link
I'm calling Garindan or IG-88.
― Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 16:29 (seven years ago) link
Casual attendees of Rogue One: "Where's Rey?"Those same people seeing episode 8: "Where's Darth Vader?"Seeing episode 9: "Where's Benjamin Button-ized Han Solo?"
― Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 16:33 (seven years ago) link
Jar-Jar's dad, Bowl-Bowl Binks.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 16:41 (seven years ago) link
Well, that's unexpected -- he's a character from the Clone Wars series:
Meet the Rebel fighter who’s so extreme that the other good guys aren’t sure if he really is one.Forest Whitaker’s character has been one of the more closely held secrets of Rogue One: A Star Wars Story, but Lucasfilm is ready now to make his identity official: this shadowy freedom-fighter is Saw Gerrera, a figure with a surprisingly deep background in galactic history.The warrior — seen in the Rogue One trailer asking, “If you continue to fight, what will you become?” — was actually first seen in season 5 of The Clone Wars animated series, when he was a young man on the planet Onderon, unleashing guerilla combat on the droid army of Separatists who took over his world.Along with his sister, Steela, he fought alongside Darth Vader — back when the Sith lord was just an impetuous young Jedi named Anakin Skywalker. In the episode A War on Two Fronts, which aired in October 2012, Saw and Steela were part of an insurgent group being unofficially trained by Anakin, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and the padawan Ahsoka Tano.
Forest Whitaker’s character has been one of the more closely held secrets of Rogue One: A Star Wars Story, but Lucasfilm is ready now to make his identity official: this shadowy freedom-fighter is Saw Gerrera, a figure with a surprisingly deep background in galactic history.
The warrior — seen in the Rogue One trailer asking, “If you continue to fight, what will you become?” — was actually first seen in season 5 of The Clone Wars animated series, when he was a young man on the planet Onderon, unleashing guerilla combat on the droid army of Separatists who took over his world.
Along with his sister, Steela, he fought alongside Darth Vader — back when the Sith lord was just an impetuous young Jedi named Anakin Skywalker. In the episode A War on Two Fronts, which aired in October 2012, Saw and Steela were part of an insurgent group being unofficially trained by Anakin, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and the padawan Ahsoka Tano.
― a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:10 (seven years ago) link
Nice
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:47 (seven years ago) link
The recent in-canon, between RotJ and Force Awakens, novel Bloodlines has a tossed-off line about the terrorist tactics of some factions during the rebellion with that character namechecked.
― μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:52 (seven years ago) link
That's cool but I hope for once they don't waste the top-tier folks they've got in this cast with, like, five minutes of onscreen time a la Von Sydow in TFW - or Terence Stamp (!) in one of those prequels. I want to see more Donnie Yen/Whitaker/Mikkelsen actually survive through most of the film at least. But --- err -- wishful thinking, right?
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 21:17 (seven years ago) link
I want to see more Donnie Yen/Whitaker/Mikkelsen actually survive through most of the film at least. But --- err -- wishful thinking, right?
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 21:18 (seven years ago) link
also TFW s/b TFA etc etc
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 21:19 (seven years ago) link
i will be happily surprised if any of those characters survive this film (2x for minorities)
― Nhex, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 21:52 (seven years ago) link
Rogue One panel happening at Star Wars Celebration Europe right now, new poster just revealed, new trailer at the end of this panel.
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13729090_1208749735843292_4187951896588660538_n.jpg?oh=8cbd0dc9f0299468dc41ecd46ab2a3eb&oe=57ECC9B9
― a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Friday, 15 July 2016 15:24 (seven years ago) link
tight
― How Butch, I mean (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 15 July 2016 15:27 (seven years ago) link
I like the new beachy look. Summer fun wars!
― j.o. seasoning (how's life), Friday, 15 July 2016 15:28 (seven years ago) link
lol Gwendolyn Christie just gave Felicity Jones the very first Jynn Erso action figure
http://imgur.com/E3XIvr3
― a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Friday, 15 July 2016 15:31 (seven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/E3XIvr3.jpg
― a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Friday, 15 July 2016 15:32 (seven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/62PmXkH.jpg
― a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Friday, 15 July 2016 15:39 (seven years ago) link
Ha
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 July 2016 15:42 (seven years ago) link
http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-new-look-at-the-making-of-rogue-one-a-star-wars-stor-1783734715
^ BTS
― How Butch, I mean (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 15 July 2016 15:42 (seven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/gavzilla71/status/753984085165563904
^spoilerish re: trailer
― How Butch, I mean (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 15 July 2016 16:08 (seven years ago) link
is that even still a spoiler
― mh, Friday, 15 July 2016 16:09 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, the livestream cut away and showed the BTS reel again. Curse you, Kathleen Kennedy!
― a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Friday, 15 July 2016 16:10 (seven years ago) link
i mean idk it's not a spoiler to me I can just post shit willy-nilly if u all want
― How Butch, I mean (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 15 July 2016 16:25 (seven years ago) link
I swear there's been an article every week where someone involved with lucasfilm admits "yeah, Darth Vader is in this film"
― mh, Friday, 15 July 2016 16:27 (seven years ago) link
Yeah but the reveal is that under the mask he's Sean Bean.
― a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Friday, 15 July 2016 16:29 (seven years ago) link
pretty sweet poster, looks like everyone's running to catch mark barrott's sundown DJ set on ibiza.
― nomar, Friday, 15 July 2016 17:22 (seven years ago) link
Finally got all the aliens that were missing last time around. This looks fucking rad. Can't wait for something with more dialogue, though.
― j.o. seasoning (how's life), Friday, 15 July 2016 17:26 (seven years ago) link
lol at Alan Tudyk's DGAF droid
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--L-0cVeYf--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/ft5jmvrvoewrk7meefoy.gif
― a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Friday, 15 July 2016 17:34 (seven years ago) link
he looks like the iron gianthttp://www.sideshowtoy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/902331-product-silo.png
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 15 July 2016 20:06 (seven years ago) link
star wars: the guns of tattooine
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 15 July 2016 20:42 (seven years ago) link
http://www.avclub.com/article/meet-rogue-ones-edrio-two-tubes-guy-two-tubes-239898
Meet Rogue One’s Edrio Two Tubes, the guy with two tubes
― Sentient animated cat gif (kingfish), Friday, 22 July 2016 16:47 (seven years ago) link
Still tippin' on two tubes, wrapped in two tubes
― El Tomboto, Friday, 22 July 2016 17:48 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfW-MPUjC_0
― poolboy skew (voodoo chili), Friday, 22 July 2016 17:52 (seven years ago) link
They call him Two-Tecs, he tote two tecs
― How Butch, I mean (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 22 July 2016 22:39 (seven years ago) link
New trailer and it's pretty sharp:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wji-BZ0oCwg
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 12 August 2016 03:27 (seven years ago) link
Really want some dark Battle of Algiers-style Star Wars on the screen
― mh, Friday, 12 August 2016 03:52 (seven years ago) link
Well that looks sick.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 August 2016 03:56 (seven years ago) link
What's with the black monoliths?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 August 2016 03:59 (seven years ago) link
still not over the palm trees. goosebumps.
― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Friday, 12 August 2016 04:00 (seven years ago) link
DOPE :D
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 12 August 2016 04:41 (seven years ago) link
Looks good.
― Sentient animated cat gif (kingfish), Friday, 12 August 2016 04:56 (seven years ago) link
this looks GREAT
― Yes it has pickles and chicken...but...it doesn't have mild cheese... (stevie), Friday, 12 August 2016 08:40 (seven years ago) link
Er, that's not the new one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frdj1zb9sMY
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 12 August 2016 11:45 (seven years ago) link
(Seriously, why are embedded videos and images suddenly showing up in my browser as big black vertical rectangles?)
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 August 2016 12:29 (seven years ago) link
(I'm blaming Obama tbh)
― Yes it has pickles and chicken...but...it doesn't have mild cheese... (stevie), Friday, 12 August 2016 12:31 (seven years ago) link
There's a Moderator Request Forum thread about the embeds and I've emailed stet about it.
― how's life, Friday, 12 August 2016 12:44 (seven years ago) link
mendelsohn + "Rogue One" + tropical setting makes me wonder if plot will be mendelsohn's dad dies, leaves family death star to all children but mendelsohn, etc.
― veggie sticks potato snacks (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 12 August 2016 12:56 (seven years ago) link
I had to switch to Firefox to check - Chrome's buggered for ILX Youtube embeds.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 12 August 2016 13:17 (seven years ago) link
Chrome has started blocking Flash on all sites. The embeds should be fixed to show HTML5 ones.
― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 12 August 2016 13:22 (seven years ago) link
Love the shot of the Death Star from below. Not enough space movies take all dimensions into account.
― a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Friday, 12 August 2016 13:39 (seven years ago) link
Yeah - the star destroyer coming out of the darkness of space at the beginning was a nice touch, gave it a sense of physicality.
― Yes it has pickles and chicken...but...it doesn't have mild cheese... (stevie), Friday, 12 August 2016 14:31 (seven years ago) link
this actually looks pretty interesting. a unique spin on SW cinematography at the very least.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 12 August 2016 14:36 (seven years ago) link
xpost I'm using Safari, and it's still messed up for me.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 August 2016 14:45 (seven years ago) link
I like that Death Star eclipse shot. I hope this Death Star gets blown up and the Empire had to rush out another one for Ep. IV.
― jmm, Friday, 12 August 2016 14:46 (seven years ago) link
xp one of the things Gareth Edwards discussed in that showreel from last month is that one of the more important sets was built as a 360-degree set, with crew members put in costume so they could shoot in any direction without having to reset. That's a pretty new approach for these movies!
― a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Friday, 12 August 2016 14:47 (seven years ago) link
I guess Vader won't really dominate proceedings in this but would love to see at least one demonstration of his power far beyond anything he did in previous films. Or at least just Force-lift an AT-AT and hurl it at some Rebels.
― nashwan, Friday, 12 August 2016 14:51 (seven years ago) link
We've never seen Vader actually fight anyone but other Jedi/Jedi trainees in the OG films, just yellow-eyed Hayden Christiansen chop up a bunch of Seperatist goofballs in "Revenge of the Sith." Definitely would be interesting to see him go ham on a bunch of Rebels. (The "Darth Vader" comic has been great for that stuff.)
― a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Friday, 12 August 2016 14:54 (seven years ago) link
nothing i can think of less interesting than the idea of turning yet another classic SW character into a leaping CGI lightsaber acrobat.
Vader straight up calls up & murders a guy over his television in ESB and they've never topped it
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 12 August 2016 15:07 (seven years ago) link
otm
― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Friday, 12 August 2016 15:11 (seven years ago) link
I think there should be a scene where he takes his cloak off. Wouldn't he look weird without the cloak!
― nashwan, Friday, 12 August 2016 15:13 (seven years ago) link
there's all kinds of new stuff. i heard about rockets in an umbrella -- they're tested at fort detrick? i can show you a dozen poisons! stick it in his food, he'll die in three days! no trace! put something on his cloak, make it fall out -- he'd look fuckin ridiculous without his cloak!
― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Friday, 12 August 2016 15:16 (seven years ago) link
Vader's never a leaping acrobat. More of a heavy presence, batting away or choking minions with a gesture. The ROTJ fight is far from overchoreographed when it comes to swordplay but every strike seems ready to overwhelm any defense.
The Rebels cartoon has done pretty well with that, and the recent Marvel comics as well.
― mh, Friday, 12 August 2016 15:57 (seven years ago) link
vader: no cloak but: with ~spats~
think about it, let me know
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 12 August 2016 16:59 (seven years ago) link
wth this trailer looks like trash idgi
― kurt schwitterz, Friday, 12 August 2016 17:02 (seven years ago) link
vader vs Luke is ESB is the scariest vader, like he's this huge monstrous dude stalking and striking, it's the closest he comes to a horror movie character in the whole series.
― nomar, Friday, 12 August 2016 17:41 (seven years ago) link
also vader is introduced while choking a bitch to death as he holds them up in the air like a child
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 12 August 2016 17:45 (seven years ago) link
i liked vader's hint of a british accent in ep IV
― nomar, Friday, 12 August 2016 17:52 (seven years ago) link
It would appear that Gareth Edwards and his team have been drawing heavily from the Clone Wars + Rebels cartoons for their notes on setting and tone which means this is probably going to be AWESOME and also most of the characters are doomed
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 13 August 2016 01:24 (seven years ago) link
Giant gun backpack dude = toastYip Man = toastFelicity Jones = redemption martyr toastForest Whitaker = "Nah, I'll sit right here while they blow up my house with me in it" toastDroid = the droid always survivesDiego Luna = witness
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 13 August 2016 01:31 (seven years ago) link
NO SPOILERS TOMBOT
― Yes it has pickles and chicken...but...it doesn't have mild cheese... (stevie), Saturday, 13 August 2016 10:04 (seven years ago) link
Rosebud was his lightsaber.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 13 August 2016 16:06 (seven years ago) link
Anyway, international trailer, couple of new bits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48XWkN0jBQY
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 August 2016 22:09 (seven years ago) link
all the rebels look really dirty and haggard, so you know they got that right
― mh, Monday, 15 August 2016 23:43 (seven years ago) link
maybe not in the command center. Mon Mothma still looking senate-ready
― mh, Monday, 15 August 2016 23:44 (seven years ago) link
Many Bothans died getting her dry cleaning
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 00:15 (seven years ago) link
v good
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 16 August 2016 00:54 (seven years ago) link
Ok, this is cute. I dig the klaxon mixing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMmiNeVrbDk
― Sentient animated cat gif (kingfish), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 07:01 (seven years ago) link
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--m8qgvg1A--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/sjqq32orf3wyzxd5anqk.png
Why does this dude need to carry around so many iphones, though
― Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 5 September 2016 14:15 (seven years ago) link
Amazed he gets reception out there
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 5 September 2016 15:06 (seven years ago) link
one for each carrier, too difficult to swap sim cards on the run while wearing Death Gloves
― Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 5 September 2016 15:25 (seven years ago) link
'everything that has transpired has done so according to my design'
https://spfaust.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/62535_jelanimemory1.jpg
― a very in-your-face, hard-edged machine bottom (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 5 September 2016 15:44 (seven years ago) link
https://youtu.be/sC9abcLLQpI
― How Butch, I mean (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 13 October 2016 13:12 (seven years ago) link
the dialogue looks terrible ("save the dream"???) but i'll watch the shit out of that
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 13 October 2016 13:18 (seven years ago) link
the dialogue has always been terrible
― a (waterface), Thursday, 13 October 2016 13:25 (seven years ago) link
it was relatively good in the last one
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 13 October 2016 13:27 (seven years ago) link
true!
― a (waterface), Thursday, 13 October 2016 13:28 (seven years ago) link
this movie looks amazing, I don't care how corny the dialogue is
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Thursday, 13 October 2016 13:51 (seven years ago) link
yeah this looks great
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 13 October 2016 13:52 (seven years ago) link
damn, that's an exciting trailer
the overhead shot of the giant half-buried jedi blew me away
― doo-doo diplomacy (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 13 October 2016 13:56 (seven years ago) link
jedi statue, i mean
this must be the trailer where they're afraid some of the audience won't understand the setting/premise because it sure spelled it all out
― dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Thursday, 13 October 2016 13:58 (seven years ago) link
Starting to look like Edwards was a good choice for this -- his tendency to concentrate on the human scale rather than spectacle, that got him noticed with Monsters, kinda backfired on him with Godzilla, where people just wanted more Godzilla. But this is a better sci-fi sandbox in which he can work that stuff out.
― GUNSHOW POOPHOLE (Phil D.), Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:55 (seven years ago) link
Certainly looks gorgeous
― Rob Boss (latebloomer), Thursday, 13 October 2016 21:04 (seven years ago) link
most definitely
the original trilogy had some lush planets but it was the forests of endor where it was fairly nondescript forest, or dagobah where the greenery was so dense it seemed claustrophobic
the beach/palm trees battle stuff in this looks ridiculous
― mh 😏, Thursday, 13 October 2016 21:10 (seven years ago) link
that's a generous interpretation of Godzilla Phil
― Number None, Thursday, 13 October 2016 21:12 (seven years ago) link
Well, yeah
― GUNSHOW POOPHOLE (Phil D.), Thursday, 13 October 2016 21:23 (seven years ago) link
oh cool a death star
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 October 2016 21:30 (seven years ago) link
lol did you just drop in here having read and seen nothing about the movie
― mh 😏, Thursday, 13 October 2016 21:39 (seven years ago) link
you bet!
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 October 2016 21:42 (seven years ago) link
all I did was watch the preview
it also has a darth vader
― nomar, Thursday, 13 October 2016 21:43 (seven years ago) link
*whew*
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 October 2016 21:43 (seven years ago) link
Love everything about this trailer except for the music.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 13 October 2016 21:46 (seven years ago) link
That ain't A Death Star it's THE Death Star. Check yo'self, foo.
― GUNSHOW POOPHOLE (Phil D.), Thursday, 13 October 2016 21:59 (seven years ago) link
felicity jones seems kind of a bad actor - not sure about the plummy delivery
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 13 October 2016 22:32 (seven years ago) link
Οὖτι, it has THE Death Star. Well, the first one. It takes place before the original 1977 film and they steal the Death Star plans and do all the junk that was in the opening crawl of the first film to be released.
There, you know it all now, no need for further introspection
― mh 😏, Thursday, 13 October 2016 23:21 (seven years ago) link
That line about hope seemed really off and I'm wondering it if was a voiceover recorded for the trailer
― mh 😏, Thursday, 13 October 2016 23:22 (seven years ago) link
so i guess they are going to cover the info getting to Princess Leia in this, since ANH starts and she already has it. so maybe we'll see a cameo of young Leia.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 13 October 2016 23:37 (seven years ago) link
One would hope
― calstars, Friday, 14 October 2016 02:32 (seven years ago) link
Was there a rumor or confirmation Jimmy Smits was seen on set? I think they possibly did the next best thing and have the intel handed off to Leia's father at the end, with the implication one of his secret cells will handle it. They've structured a lot of the recent books/cartoons around the different rebel cells leading up to this point, with Leia making some appearances but most of it being handled by intermediaries, or in the case of really important intel, Bail Organa himself
― mh 😏, Friday, 14 October 2016 03:28 (seven years ago) link
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/08/05/rogue-one-star-wars-jimmy-smits
btw anyone else notice the orchestral theme in this trailer is an interpolation of the Star Wars main theme, where the last one was an interpolation of the Imperial march? very well done versions, imo
― mh 😏, Friday, 14 October 2016 03:33 (seven years ago) link
mendelsohn looks perfect in this
― nomar, Saturday, 15 October 2016 00:11 (seven years ago) link
Can we just watch the trailers and forsake the films
― calstars, Saturday, 15 October 2016 00:13 (seven years ago) link
I feel like Mendelsohn looks sort of ...neutralized? His best roles have been as fun, quirky bad guys and this character just seems comparatively cookbook
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 15 October 2016 01:23 (seven years ago) link
Just wish he could keep his accent. Boba Fett's a Kiwi now, why can't we have Imperial Australians?
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Saturday, 15 October 2016 01:35 (seven years ago) link
Do we know who's in the Vader suit? Prowse is both too old and persona non grata at Lucasfilm, so I'm curious.
― GUNSHOW POOPHOLE (Phil D.), Saturday, 15 October 2016 03:05 (seven years ago) link
I mean the person in the Vader suit is the hand inside Kermit the frog it really doesn't matter so long as the voice is right
― ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 15 October 2016 03:07 (seven years ago) link
You say that, but like 30 seconds of Christiansen in the suit is still being mocked 11 years later.
― GUNSHOW POOPHOLE (Phil D.), Saturday, 15 October 2016 03:08 (seven years ago) link
A) true
B) George Lucas
― ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 15 October 2016 03:10 (seven years ago) link
Jeeze. Come on mate. You'd prefer another target, a military target? In your own time.Dantooine? Yeah, nah. Boys, when you're ready, have a lash.
― MatthewK, Saturday, 15 October 2016 03:16 (seven years ago) link
It's this guy
http://www.spencerwilding.com/
― Number None, Saturday, 15 October 2016 08:20 (seven years ago) link
This guy!
http://blazingminds.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Spencer-Wilding-Doctor-Who.jpg
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 15 October 2016 12:35 (seven years ago) link
I am pretty psyched now that there's a detectable storyline in the trailer. Before it just looked kinda cool but I wasn't really all that sure of what I was seeing.
Also v excited for what I'm calling "The Pacific Theater" At-At's
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 16 October 2016 02:32 (seven years ago) link
I'm not the only one who thinks she looks exactly like a lego minifig in this shot, right?
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--I7g0sIrN--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/kfokxw1rzirofueser8c.png
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 16 October 2016 03:02 (seven years ago) link
Diego's not really bringing the crucial look-like-you-belong-here ingredient to impersonating an officer, either
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 16 October 2016 03:04 (seven years ago) link
i hope there's some kind of 'inglorious basterds in the basement of the tavern' moment where he's called out for not being clean-shaven.
― nomar, Sunday, 16 October 2016 03:34 (seven years ago) link
I think Rebels impersonating Imperials poorly is a running joke of the series!
Nobody's ever going to top Han's radio conversation, though.
― mh 😏, Sunday, 16 October 2016 15:36 (seven years ago) link
"Situation normal..."
― calstars, Sunday, 16 October 2016 18:35 (seven years ago) link
Uh we are all good right here... how are you?
― mh 😏, Sunday, 16 October 2016 18:43 (seven years ago) link
Donald Glover is officially playing Lando, y'all. http://www.starwars.com/news/donald-glover-cast-as-young-lando-calrissian-in-upcoming-han-solo-star-wars-stand-alone-film
― GUNSHOW POOPHOLE (Phil D.), Saturday, 22 October 2016 14:32 (seven years ago) link
:D
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 22 October 2016 16:41 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkAd4XWwNos
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 October 2016 16:44 (seven years ago) link
kind of a bigger name, but.. this seems fine?
*star wars nerd voice*who is playing Sana?
― mh 😏, Saturday, 22 October 2016 16:44 (seven years ago) link
fuck those guys about "pandering" though, those guys are awesome casting
― mh 😏, Saturday, 22 October 2016 16:46 (seven years ago) link
Eh, there is no way to see Forest Whitaker and not think of "Battlefield Earth" unless you have not seen "Battlefield Earth." (Directed by second unit Star Wars director!)
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 October 2016 16:50 (seven years ago) link
I must be brainwashed by the new sjw media because someone mentioned "another movie with a female lead? is this a thing now?" and I was like "idk I guess?" like it seemed weirder that the jedi council had so many dudes in the Lucas films
I have never seen Battlefield Earth! My first thought with Forest Whitaker is nearly always Ghost Dog
― mh 😏, Saturday, 22 October 2016 16:52 (seven years ago) link
The only person who reminds me of battlefield earth is Barry Pepper
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 22 October 2016 16:52 (seven years ago) link
https://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/forest-whitaker-battlefield-earth.jpeg?w=700
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 October 2016 16:56 (seven years ago) link
there they go pandering to half the human population again.
pandering has no place in this sequel to a prequel to a genre exercise.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 22 October 2016 17:08 (seven years ago) link
They are pandering to robots.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 October 2016 17:11 (seven years ago) link
But yeah, totally, this so-called pandering is only conspicuous due to the equally if not more conspicuous total lack of diversity in the earlier films and for that matter virtually all films.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 October 2016 17:22 (seven years ago) link
can't believe they didn't hire a white guy as lando. SJWs!
― akm, Saturday, 22 October 2016 18:15 (seven years ago) link
Social Justice Wars why not call it
EPISODE VTHE EMPIRE STRIKES CUCK
It is a dark time for the Rebellion. Although the Donald has been destroyed, Imperial troops have driven the Rebel forces from Twitter and pursued them across the internet.
Evading the dreaded Imperial Eggfleet, a group of SJWs led by Luke Cagefan has established a new secret base on the remote social media platform of Medium.
The evil lord Breitbarth Vader, obsessed with finding young Cagefan, has dispatched thousands of remote trolls into the far reaches of cyberspace...
― 6 god none the richer (m bison), Saturday, 22 October 2016 18:29 (seven years ago) link
― how's life, Saturday, 22 October 2016 23:33 (seven years ago) link
^^^^ THIS!!
― Robby Mook (stevie), Sunday, 23 October 2016 12:41 (seven years ago) link
i always think of Panic Room and the Crying Game
― akm, Monday, 24 October 2016 03:18 (seven years ago) link
I think of all sorts of stuff he's popped up in, from Fast Times to the Shield to Species, if I'm being honest, for the scene where he's playing a psychic whe sees like a train car covered in blood and mumbles "something bad happened here." Or the Key and Peele bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxwMTAy1gP0
But sci-fi Forest is Battlefield Earth, all the way.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 October 2016 03:26 (seven years ago) link
he was in fast times? I didn't realize he'd been acting for quite that long
― akm, Monday, 24 October 2016 03:38 (seven years ago) link
that day you realize forest whitaker has been in every single movie
― mh 😏, Monday, 24 October 2016 04:25 (seven years ago) link
I always think of this when I think of him because I saw this scene again after years and years and was like "oh shit that's forest whitaker". I had no idea he had been in it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYV5f0Aqo4w
― joygoat, Monday, 24 October 2016 04:31 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSeovXwmOR0
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Thursday, 17 November 2016 19:00 (seven years ago) link
I love that the director's summary of the movie is the same thing I've been using to describe it to people who aren't sure when this film takes place.
"So, that opening text at the beginning of A New Hope, this is that movie"
― mh 😏, Thursday, 17 November 2016 19:20 (seven years ago) link
eee it looks so good
i am excite
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 17 November 2016 19:25 (seven years ago) link
WOAH. i am excite too!
lol @ "So, that opening text at the beginning of A New Hope, this is that movie"
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 19 November 2016 15:40 (seven years ago) link
i want to say why didn't Lucas sell Star Wars 30 years ago. but the tech was not there, no way you could have had anything, even the side-movies, look this good.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 19 November 2016 15:42 (seven years ago) link
It's a movie about the text crawl drifting through space.
― jmm, Saturday, 19 November 2016 15:45 (seven years ago) link
this and the new ATCQ could not come at a more necessary time
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 19 November 2016 15:47 (seven years ago) link
Emilia Clarke has been cast in the Han Solo movie :|
― Number None, Saturday, 19 November 2016 19:55 (seven years ago) link
saw that. Kinda hoping she's an alien of some sort.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 19 November 2016 20:16 (seven years ago) link
I wonder if they're being to branch out with all these Star Wars Gaiden to something like what the Marvel movies do, where you start blending genre together and start telling other kinds of story inside your ostensible superhero film, for example.
Might as well, it's not like they're ever going to stop making these things
― (rocketcat) 🚀🐱 👑🐟 (kingfish), Saturday, 19 November 2016 21:25 (seven years ago) link
they've been describing Rogue One as a heist movie quite a bit
I expect Lord & Miller will bring a different sensibility to the Solo movie too
― Number None, Saturday, 19 November 2016 21:50 (seven years ago) link
I think Marvel probably has more freedom than Star Wars because of the basis in comics. Star Wars movies can only really be legitimized in terms of previous Star Wars movies, so things like visual style and music are going to stay pretty constant. That probably constrains the kinds of stories that are possible too. A heist movie is not a big departure in a franchise where smugglers play a big role.
― jmm, Saturday, 19 November 2016 22:07 (seven years ago) link
You can tell all kinds of stories in the SW milieu
Star Wars, Clone Wars, Rebels, Oh My
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 19 November 2016 22:24 (seven years ago) link
I gave vague memories of seeing a book? Comic? That even did han solo and chewbacca in a zombie siege story
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Sunday, 20 November 2016 00:56 (seven years ago) link
oh certainly, there's a bunch of things you can do with the SW universe(everything from Dead Trooper to Kotor 2, for example), but in terms of 90-120 min yearly franchise blockbuster releases, how much can they do before it starts getting away from the mythic space opera? Thinking about this more, I wonder if they're locked into certain tropes or aesthetics because otherwise, Star Wars turns into something more like Star Trek/Mass Effect/Firefly/Battlestar.
Then again, fuggit; some of the shots of battle footage in Rogue One has street-level urban fighting, shot with handhelds in a way that folks even on here were comparing to Battle of Algiers, which is a galaxy far, far away from space fighterjock samurai wizards. Maybe the mold should be broken.
― (rocketcat) 🚀🐱 👑🐟 (kingfish), Sunday, 20 November 2016 00:56 (seven years ago) link
Dead troopers, that was it
Yeah, the zombie novel was Death Troopers, by Joe Schreiber.
― (rocketcat) 🚀🐱 👑🐟 (kingfish), Sunday, 20 November 2016 00:58 (seven years ago) link
imagine if they did a movie that didn't have the Death Star in it, would be pretty crazy!
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Sunday, 20 November 2016 01:11 (seven years ago) link
I keep thinking how awesome some of the characters in the trailer seem and kind of hope they're not super fleshed out, leaving a little mystery? I just keep thinking, who are these guys?! Is that guy blind? That other guy just took out a whole squad of stormtroopers!
Digging through the credits on imdb again really made me remember that not everyone has a publicist team sculpting their imdb profile because Wen Jiang has this profile picture (sorry for imdb links, I'm not going to dig around to beat their image link-busting today)http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0422638/mediaviewer/rm886348544and I'm thinking hmm, seems like a cool regular guy
and then there's this picturehttp://www.imdb.com/name/nm0422638/mediaviewer/rm1330189568
whoa badass!!!
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 14:55 (seven years ago) link
btw I am five
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 14:57 (seven years ago) link
no crawl!
http://www.nme.com/news/film/star-wars-producer-explains-rogue-one-wont-iconic-opening-crawl-1871135
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 24 November 2016 21:11 (seven years ago) link
whaaaaat
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 24 November 2016 22:08 (seven years ago) link
Would look kinda silly beginning with "Episode III.ix" anyways
― “a tub of horses” (Myonga Vön Bontee), Thursday, 24 November 2016 22:39 (seven years ago) link
It's not like Caravan Of Courage had a crawl. Or did it?
― nashwan, Thursday, 24 November 2016 22:59 (seven years ago) link
The Clone Wars animated film didn't either. It had that newsreel-type thing at the beginning.
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Friday, 25 November 2016 00:47 (seven years ago) link
Same with the CW series. Rebels doesn't do a crawl or a "newsreel" IIRC.
― El Tomboto, Friday, 25 November 2016 02:58 (seven years ago) link
Yeah I think that's fine. Save the crawl for the proper 'episodes'.
― chap, Friday, 25 November 2016 09:49 (seven years ago) link
apparently no Star Wars main theme either?
i don't get it. movies are 2 1/2 hours nowadays anyways, a crawl is like a 2-minute freebie.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 25 November 2016 13:25 (seven years ago) link
It's an artistic choice, I think, to reinforce the spin off movies being tangential to the main narrative.
― chap, Friday, 25 November 2016 13:30 (seven years ago) link
it's all a spin-off. the "main narrative" has been changing with every additional movie.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 25 November 2016 13:53 (seven years ago) link
otherwise the first film's crawl would've been all about Anakin Skywalker and the fall of the Jedi
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 25 November 2016 13:54 (seven years ago) link
Can you not see how they'd want to differentiate stylistically between the more mythical main sequence and the (presumably) more idiosyncratic secondary films?
― chap, Friday, 25 November 2016 14:14 (seven years ago) link
I'm not trying to be a Disney Corp stan, just explaining how the decision makes perfect sense to me.
― chap, Friday, 25 November 2016 14:16 (seven years ago) link
oh yeah it makes sense from a branding perspective.
imo it would make more sense if this was about Darth Vimo on planet Uowa looking for the lost Crystal of Blimba. this is a movie about the Death Star w Darth Vader, they aren't fooling anybody that this is some "side story". they just want to keep remaking A New Hope, not that there's anything wrong w that.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 25 November 2016 14:39 (seven years ago) link
like the point of the crawl was "Hey look, it's like Flash Gordon!" not "This is canonical tales from the uber important Skywalker mythology"
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 25 November 2016 14:42 (seven years ago) link
I would be amazed if there was more than 5 minutes of Vader in this, just because it's not a movie about him and he obviously takes up all the air.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 25 November 2016 14:46 (seven years ago) link
would be more than in Attack of the Clones and he was plastered all over coke cans for that one
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 25 November 2016 14:47 (seven years ago) link
er, Revenge of the Sith
hopefully his cameo is someone asks a question and he walks in and says "Noooo!"
"Do you like sand?"
― jmm, Friday, 25 November 2016 14:52 (seven years ago) link
Actually the lack of crawl is because this is an in-universe film, made about 10 or 12 ABY in the New Republic, based on the true story of the brave men and woman of Rogue One.
― El Tomboto, Friday, 25 November 2016 15:08 (seven years ago) link
Executive producer has ties to the Solos and all that
― El Tomboto, Friday, 25 November 2016 15:09 (seven years ago) link
imo the question is whether there is any Tarkin content or if Vader has been put in this film as a stand-in
― mh 😏, Friday, 25 November 2016 15:37 (seven years ago) link
For some reason I'm very excited for Mon Mothma in this
― slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Friday, 25 November 2016 15:49 (seven years ago) link
tmi
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 25 November 2016 15:51 (seven years ago) link
As it seems unlikely Vader gets to do anything exciting in this they could've just gone with only showing him via hologram - paralleling the first glimpses of the Emperor in the later films.
― nashwan, Friday, 25 November 2016 15:54 (seven years ago) link
Vader strictly uses hologram to speak to his superior, all other transactions are done as in-person threats
Guessing that following an early terrorist action in the film, Vader is called in to make sure everyone is in line
― mh 😏, Friday, 25 November 2016 16:06 (seven years ago) link
seriously when do the damn tickets go on sale
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 26 November 2016 04:05 (seven years ago) link
better line up now or they might run out
― qualx, Saturday, 26 November 2016 04:28 (seven years ago) link
On sale Sunday night/early Monday morning.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 26 November 2016 04:39 (seven years ago) link
we'll see if the robots at fandango agree with you Ned
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 26 November 2016 04:42 (seven years ago) link
xxxxxp mh how quickly we forget the tiny Vader sitting on the walker's dashboard as they approached the Hoth base.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Saturday, 26 November 2016 06:24 (seven years ago) link
they're leaving the crawl out of rogue one so that they can perfect the technology to somehow make the crawl go even slower on the next one
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 26 November 2016 17:23 (seven years ago) link
I have never acknowledged tiny Vader and will not be starting at this point
― mh 😏, Saturday, 26 November 2016 17:35 (seven years ago) link
I'd like to take this opportunity to say how great marvel's current darth vader comic book is
kthxbye
― trump le monde (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 26 November 2016 18:32 (seven years ago) link
Was.
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 26 November 2016 18:57 (seven years ago) link
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Saturday, 26 November 2016 20:42 (seven years ago) link
love darth vader comic, want more comics with the original characters introduced in it
― mh 😏, Saturday, 26 November 2016 21:45 (seven years ago) link
Good news for you then - Gillen-penned Doctor Aphra is coming next month.
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 26 November 2016 21:50 (seven years ago) link
I think I knew that but keep forcing myself to forget as to recreate the joy of learning it anew
― mh 😏, Saturday, 26 November 2016 22:55 (seven years ago) link
There's also Vader consulting with his three Star Destroyer commanders by hologram in Empire, during which one of them is destroyed by an asteroid, implying necessarily that he's appearing as a hologram at the other end.
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Saturday, 26 November 2016 23:59 (seven years ago) link
inserted for movie continuity, totally not canon
― mh 😏, Sunday, 27 November 2016 00:25 (seven years ago) link
fight me
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Sunday, 27 November 2016 01:53 (seven years ago) link
I just rewatched that, lols @ dead guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nZx5BFwPCI
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 27 November 2016 02:06 (seven years ago) link
For real though I think Vader is only in this to make it clear that Mendelsohn's guy is a genuinely scary MF. You can't really have a villain between ROTS and ANH without calibrating them against Vader one way or another.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 27 November 2016 02:18 (seven years ago) link
I mentioned that I read the pre-Rogue One book, right? It's by the author who wrote the Tarkin novel in the new continuity so Tarkin plays a part, but it's part of a triangulation with Mendelsohn's character and the emperor's new order. I'd be mildly surprised if Tarkin isn't at least mentioned, but I could understand him being absent due to a need to avoid weird casting problems.
But yes, he is a ruthless social climber who sees the Imperial cause as his path to glory and doesn't give a shit about people, even the energy specialist he knew in his youth.
― mh 😏, Sunday, 27 November 2016 03:34 (seven years ago) link
If the new in-canon extended universe has given us anything, it is that the Emperor is a total motherfucker who encouraged his underlings in their constant fraternal conflicts in the sith tradition to both harden their abilities and winnow out the weaker ones. Krennic (Mendelsohn's character) did not come up with the huge space weapon design but by the time this film rolls around he's forgotten that, and it's his project despite others wanting to co-opt it. Obviously it's not his after this movie!
― mh 😏, Sunday, 27 November 2016 03:39 (seven years ago) link
Netflix heads-up: they're still streaming at least the first two "Ip Man" films, starring Donnie Yen
― (rocketcat) (kingfish), Sunday, 27 November 2016 04:04 (seven years ago) link
On sale, and all.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 28 November 2016 05:14 (seven years ago) link
lol fandango's email service is useless
― El Tomboto, Monday, 28 November 2016 05:25 (seven years ago) link
Waiting in Alamo's virtual line. We'll see.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 28 November 2016 05:49 (seven years ago) link
Got mine. I don't think even Douglas Adams would have imagined a virtual queue being such an effective Turing test.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 28 November 2016 05:57 (seven years ago) link
Hahah a fine comparison. Got mine as well -- was hoping for opening weekend but my preferred times weren't open for purchase so afternoon of the 22nd will have to do. (Already have the day off work to start my Christmas break so hey.)
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 28 November 2016 06:03 (seven years ago) link
Donnie Yen is my number one reason for wanting to see this. saying that, they totally wasted the guys from The Raid in force awakens
― jamiesummerz, Monday, 28 November 2016 12:39 (seven years ago) link
Also,
http://www.avclub.com/article/rogue-one-presales-nearly-take-down-fandango-246517
― (rocketcat) (kingfish), Monday, 28 November 2016 22:23 (seven years ago) link
I got Friday night at 7:30pm at one of the better theaters nearby (a Cinemark). I tried to get Thursday night but it was sold out within about 3 minutes.
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Monday, 28 November 2016 22:52 (seven years ago) link
People can't wait for twenty minutes in their climate-controlled homes for the Internet to sell them a ticket, but they'll stand outside in December for an hour to get a seat.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 02:44 (seven years ago) link
This is why we aren't doing anything substantial about climate change, isn't it.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 02:45 (seven years ago) link
Sorta
― (rocketcat) (kingfish), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 02:54 (seven years ago) link
When I was in high school, the Return of the Jedi rerelease was opening and some people I knew were standing in line all day at the city's largest theater. The thing is, until I got there about an hour before showtime, there were only about 20 people in line and it was a 700 seat theater. I think we rolled by and yelled "neeeerds" at the dudes in Jedi robes
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 03:02 (seven years ago) link
Tom are you seeing it at Air & Space?
― los blue jeans, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 05:40 (seven years ago) link
is any of the film in imax?
i would roll my eyes but lol my downtown silver spring theater is nearly as expensive as air and space
― qualx, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 05:49 (seven years ago) link
i feel like my 5-y-o might not QUITE be up for this? on the other hand he watched han solo get knifed by his own son a year ago
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 07:42 (seven years ago) link
Even though director Gareth Edwards didn’t shoot Rogue One on IMAX cameras, and he didn’t shoot the movie on 70mm or 65 mm film like Christopher Nolan might have, he did shoot the movie on the Arri Alexa 65 camera, which is essentially a digital version of a 65mm camera. That means we’ll be getting quite the widescreen spectacle on IMAX screens, one that has a larger surface area of imagery that was captured by the camera and will be projected onto a massive screen for maximum visual potential.
― Number None, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 08:10 (seven years ago) link
off-topic (but distantly related since Marvel and Lucasfilm are both Disney?) url but I thought this was good: http://screenrant.com/marvel-studios-movie-color-grading-mcu/
the Arri Alexa is the same camera Marvel's been using, but it's also the one used for Fury Road and Jupiter Ascending, both of which look excellent imo
I have no idea if there's any ongoing communication between Edwards and Rian Johnson, but Johnson and his DP, Steve Yedlin, definitely have a strong handle on what kind of processing digital requires.
But yeah, my post-processing obsession aside, there's no reason this sucker wouldn't look great in IMAX
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 15:00 (seven years ago) link
(seriously though, who the fuck at Marvel Studios came up with this completely flat color scheme)
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 15:01 (seven years ago) link
Neat little vid, but my own aesthetic choices was always to max out the contrast and vividness with any photography I shot, from scanning in rock pics from my SLR 15 years ago to cat photos shot on my iPhone 7+.
― (rocketcat) (kingfish), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 17:12 (seven years ago) link
So I'm biased as fuck. But seriously, there's no reason the films can't look hyper-stylized to match the hyper-reality of the characters. Like this:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cieEzdkuhoo/UiQkN2G9hxI/AAAAAAAARn8/Qgzf8Ev-a5k/s1600/tobattle.jpg
― (rocketcat) (kingfish), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 17:15 (seven years ago) link
otm, I felt like the Dr. Strange visuals were good but the colors should have been wild
fwiw I guess Episode VIII is on film, probably some hangover from the Abrams decision to shoot that way
Rogue One looks amazing so far on digital, as far as I can tell by watching the trailers
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 17:17 (seven years ago) link
I dunno - I like the way the MCU films look, especially compared to the DC stuff. Yeah, the color grading is more subtle, but it adds to the feeling of... maturity? that they all have. I don't know how good it would look to have all of the A-list actors that Marvel manages to get traipsing around some hyper-colored world.
― schwantz, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 18:21 (seven years ago) link
did you watch that video? imo there's a difference between subtle and "we didn't even tweak the color curve"
like at least come up with a good house style
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 18:45 (seven years ago) link
Agree with that dude re Marvel's color grading. Really bothered me in Avengers Assemble and Winter Soldier especially.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 18:52 (seven years ago) link
I watched the video. Pretty sure they're not just printing footage straight out of the camera! Maybe they were probably trying to match the Nolan Batman stuff?
― schwantz, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 18:56 (seven years ago) link
but it adds to the feeling of... maturity? that they all have
But I think that's just an outgrowth of the assumption or the arbitrary culture-wide decision that only certain visuals are acceptable to communication certain themes. It's a cinematic equivalent of joyless dour austerity that doesn't connect with the joy that can be inherent in your genre. I figure it's a fixation on look and figuring the deeper bits will just come along naturally. Maturity seems more the result of how you handle or portrait emotions and decisions and choices, and those can be blown-out and oversaturated as possible, if you get the portrayal part right.
― (rocketcat) (kingfish), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 18:56 (seven years ago) link
I wonder how much --if any -- of their decision-making process for these movies is guided by looking forward to the home video market. Aren't there still TVs that can't reproduce pure black?
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 19:00 (seven years ago) link
most televisions can't do pure black, unless you have an OLED screen, although the majority of newer ones do fine and it doesn't stop people from watching the majority of content which does have at least some pure black
the complaint is not that they did nothing, but that the color grading is pretty uniformly bland and lacks one specific thing (pure black) that'd help a lot even without tuning the rest of the color scale
fwiw there were a lot of complaints about the Snyder Superman movie having a horrible palette too, but that's kind of its own thing
the nolan films definitely had pure black values, but also were shot on film iirc
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 19:20 (seven years ago) link
I'm going to drop this in here as well, admitting I'm guilty of talking about this in nearly every genre film thread now and I'll step back: https://storify.com/tvaziri/steve-yedlin
The gist of it is that film, depending on the type and usage, has a very specific color grade depending on what you use, and production tools are used to tweak that much more with digital processing but you retain that base color curve that some color scientist at kodak or wherever probably worked out over decades. Shooting on digital actually captures much more color data, giving you free reign to nondestructively adjust the palette in all kinds of ways (some of which are just a wise decision to emulate a film stock, realizing that the work's been done in another medium). So, given relatively endless possibilities... do something with it, even if it's a throwback kind of emulation!
Rogue One looks pretty awesome
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 19:26 (seven years ago) link
I think that the MCU look was calculated so that people would talk about the characters and the stories and the action, and that every review wouldn't spend a bunch of time discussing how distracting the look was. The characters are all heavily saturated primary colors, doing outlandish things all the time. Remember that the first Iron Man movie was a huge gamble and the way the MCU has panned out only really felt like a "sure thing" after Joss Whedon actually managed to not fuck up the first Avengers movie. Intentionally conservative color calibration and muted contrast makes sense to me in that context.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 21:20 (seven years ago) link
Back to Rogue One: Interesting chatter in the latest Empire magazine re: Edwards' shooting on this :
(Kathleen Kennedy) " Crafting it through the lens is very much a product of his style...but it's very, very hard to do inside these giant movies where you have to plan everything. Finding that balance for Gareth was tough." (end quote) And then this from the author of the piece: "It is also the reason why John Knoll's brainchild is giving him such a headache now, during these final stages. Because Edwards doesn't block his scenes out ahead of shooting, instead allowing the actors to find and hit their own marks while the cameras roll, 'that can make it a little harder to make sure you have bluescreens in the right places.' Sometimes Knoll would just have to say, ' Okay, we shot it, but there weren't any tracking marks (to indicate where VFX elements would go). (...) So, he admits, "it's been a little harder in post." (...) You do get that spontaneity in-camera that outweighs those concerns (...)"
I dunno - to me it reads like Edwards brought a really new and refreshing feel to this as a SW film but the executives were flummoxed. I hope that, if this ends up being a great SW film, he's allowed to make another. Though seems like he may have rocked the boat a bit for these people.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 22:00 (seven years ago) link
Or maybe I'm projecting since I work with "creatives" all the time and they are often freaked out if production templates are not adhered to, even if it means a potentially better product.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 22:02 (seven years ago) link
Though I also see Knoll's point about having to do more post VFX work if kept shots occurred without bluescreen in the b-ground. Guess it's a good a time as any for someone to come up with tech that allows for dropping in bluescreen after the fact - somehow? Though impossible to do if shooting on film, I'd imagine.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 22:07 (seven years ago) link
tbh the idea of not storyboarding a star wars movie is legit terrifying to me but i am kinda anal about preplanning lol
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 22:19 (seven years ago) link
not blocking i mean
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 22:21 (seven years ago) link
you totally have an 'X' under your desk chair to indicate where it goes
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 22:24 (seven years ago) link
y
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 22:25 (seven years ago) link
MCU muted colors suck and is why none of the films stand out visually. feels like a stylistic choice regurgitated from the 90s to pander to the manbaby demographic. there is a cultural line from Image Comics to Limp Bizkit's "Faith" to Gears of War to those "gritty", "dark", desaturated fucking movies.
Star Wars seems to sill be colorful though who knows w this Rogue One thing.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 23:28 (seven years ago) link
Muted colors equalling "gritty"? -- I blame Matt Mahurin.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 23:34 (seven years ago) link
the executives were losing their shit over Edwards' handling of this movie so I dont know if the final product is 'his vision'. it sounds like they basically fired him. I have a good source on this but I cant name names.. hes currently working on episode 8.
to compare, episode 8 is already in the can with about a day or so's worth of reshoots and about a year to do post production. rogue one is a dumpster fire that has 50m worth of reshoots being done the summer before release. I hope it works out.
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 23:52 (seven years ago) link
I knew I could believe in Rian Johnson
― slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 23:57 (seven years ago) link
If one judges by the look of the trailers Rogue One at least *looks* fantastic. Much more visually epic and exciting than JJ Abrams' "TV Guy With A Big Budget" approach on Force Awakens. If Edwards was indeed fired at would be cool if he went out with the best looking SW film to date.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 00:20 (seven years ago) link
*it would be cool
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 00:21 (seven years ago) link
I have a guy and he confirms what we all know: Darth Vader doesn't fuck. His dick did get burned off. fyi
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 04:18 (seven years ago) link
skipping this one if there isnt at least a jackoff sesh
― 6 god none the richer (m bison), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 04:37 (seven years ago) link
not to be captain save a jj but if you think force awakens didn't look fantastic you need yr eyes replaced imo
https://cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/thefilmrealm.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/rey-sledding-force-awakens-900.jpg?w=768
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 05:37 (seven years ago) link
i'm psyched for Rogue One but Gareth Edwards track record to me is very much all hat & no cowboy as far as his "visually fantastic" style is concerned. Monsters and Godzilla were 90% insufferably boring sweaty characters staring at the horizon and/or running
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 05:42 (seven years ago) link
Xpost ) yes that was one of the few shits where I went "aaah". Not enough of them, imho. My eyes are fine.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 05:56 (seven years ago) link
Err "shots" lol
smdh
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 06:35 (seven years ago) link
tbh this is kind of a relief - the thought of a wheezing vader pumping away at some poor unfortunate with his armour round his ankles is... disturbing
― trump le monde (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 09:58 (seven years ago) link
I find your lack of dick disturbing
― 6 god none the richer (m bison), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 11:57 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htqVHdIB2qs
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Thursday, 1 December 2016 15:57 (seven years ago) link
http://www.vulture.com/2016/12/rogue-one-gareth-edwards-tony-gilroy.html
Optimistic about Gilroy being heavily involved why because he good at job
― El Tomboto, Friday, 2 December 2016 18:00 (seven years ago) link
Not if you read what happened with the script to bourne 3
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Saturday, 3 December 2016 07:33 (seven years ago) link
i was thinking the same thing
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 3 December 2016 07:36 (seven years ago) link
They should just hire workmanlike hacks from now on.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 3 December 2016 18:24 (seven years ago) link
The three Ip Man films are on American Netflix, and after watching the first one and consuming enough whiskey, I'm struck with a _strong_ impulse to find the filmmakers/studio execs and grab them by the neck & shoulders, yelling "Goddamit, you got Donnie Yen and Wen Jiang in a Star Wars film, don't fuck this up!"
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 9 December 2016 05:21 (seven years ago) link
Gilroy made Duplicity and Michael Clayton, right? Those are not great.
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 9 December 2016 14:43 (seven years ago) link
Michael Clayton is awesome, fuck you
― El Tomboto, Friday, 9 December 2016 15:43 (seven years ago) link
kingfish I think in terms of managing your own expectations you have probably made a gross error by watching Ip Man before going to see this. hindsight is always etc. though, it was unavoidable
― El Tomboto, Friday, 9 December 2016 15:45 (seven years ago) link
http://www.vulture.com/2016/12/gareth-edwards-on-rogue-one-diversity-reshoots.html
I don't know enough about the business to tell how much of this answer is dancing:
A lot has been written about the reshoots that were done on this film, and it's rumored that Tony Gilroy came in and shot some of the new material himself. What really happened?Tony is a great writer and he had done a few days' work on Godzilla. We had always planned to do these pickup shoots, and in this day and age when everything has gone digital, you don't have to be so literal about preproduction, production, and postproduction — the whole thing blurs together. When we did the pickup shoots, Tony came in to write the screenplay for those scenes, and because we shot it documentary-style and had so much material, essentially, we ended up being a bit crunched for time. So we all dove in and did different things: Tony did some second-unit on the pickup shoot and so did I, and we went from 600 visual effects to 1,600 visual effects. The scope of the movie just got bigger, and so there was this divide-and-conquer mentality that went on. I think the results are really good and that's all that matters, is the movie.
Tony is a great writer and he had done a few days' work on Godzilla. We had always planned to do these pickup shoots, and in this day and age when everything has gone digital, you don't have to be so literal about preproduction, production, and postproduction — the whole thing blurs together. When we did the pickup shoots, Tony came in to write the screenplay for those scenes, and because we shot it documentary-style and had so much material, essentially, we ended up being a bit crunched for time. So we all dove in and did different things: Tony did some second-unit on the pickup shoot and so did I, and we went from 600 visual effects to 1,600 visual effects. The scope of the movie just got bigger, and so there was this divide-and-conquer mentality that went on. I think the results are really good and that's all that matters, is the movie.
― El Tomboto, Friday, 9 December 2016 22:01 (seven years ago) link
lol "documentary style"
― mh 😏, Saturday, 10 December 2016 00:09 (seven years ago) link
(Xpost) my takeaway: There was a lot of unscripted stuff (improv?) going on in Edwards' shoot and they got stuck with a ton of footage to wade through. Lucasfilm didn't want any waste so they called in Gilroy to try and make it all slot in. Or something.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 10 December 2016 00:26 (seven years ago) link
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/uhyisxycrq0b3lp7n29q.gif
yikes
― mh 😏, Saturday, 10 December 2016 00:45 (seven years ago) link
Tight
― ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 10 December 2016 01:40 (seven years ago) link
fart joke
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 10 December 2016 01:42 (seven years ago) link
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/12/11/strong-non-spoiler-first-reactions-rogue-one-star-wars-story
― Number None, Sunday, 11 December 2016 16:42 (seven years ago) link
Got tix for late Wednesday showing. Can't wait.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 11 December 2016 16:50 (seven years ago) link
some complained about an abundance of fan service, with numerous in-jokes and references for die-hard fans
Oh nooooo
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 11 December 2016 16:57 (seven years ago) link
Please don't throw me in the briar patch, whatever you do
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 11 December 2016 16:58 (seven years ago) link
yeah that sucks, if true.
― "Stop researching my life" (Ste), Sunday, 11 December 2016 17:12 (seven years ago) link
well fuck there goes my plan to keep my expectations deliberately low
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 11 December 2016 17:28 (seven years ago) link
Ste are you familiar with the story of the tar baby
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 11 December 2016 17:39 (seven years ago) link
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Sunday, 11 December 2016 17:40 (seven years ago) link
or br'er rabbit even ;)
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 11 December 2016 17:41 (seven years ago) link
this gives me the same reaction a lot of people feel towards undecided voters
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 11 December 2016 18:01 (seven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/GermainLussier/status/807868306694602752
all of the little team-building cuts in the trailers were extra clips, maybe?
there were a couple lines that sounded like voiceovers just for the trailers
― mh 😏, Sunday, 11 December 2016 18:06 (seven years ago) link
Yeah I was expecting one of the characters in the movie to say "in theaters Friday!" but apparently that line is not in the movie :(
― Fiddle Catstro (latebloomer), Sunday, 11 December 2016 18:52 (seven years ago) link
disappointing
― mh 😏, Sunday, 11 December 2016 20:39 (seven years ago) link
reviews are in. The more negative takes sound sadly plausible
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/rogue_one_a_star_wars_story/reviews/?sort=rotten
― Number None, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 19:57 (seven years ago) link
although Richard Brody does rather undermine his credibility with this:
There’s none of the Shakespearean space politics, enticingly florid dialogue, or experiential thrills of the best of George Lucas’s “Star Wars” entries (“Attack of the Clones” and “Revenge of the Sith”).
― Number None, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 20:05 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, he wrote a piece on that last year in the wave of prequel revisionism:
http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/what-the-seven-star-wars-films-reveal-about-george-lucas
― jmm, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 20:12 (seven years ago) link
oh yeah I remember that now. That was a weird little interlude
― Number None, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 20:14 (seven years ago) link
http://www.avclub.com/review/rogue-one-adventure-star-wars-dark-side-247345
Liked it.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 20:15 (seven years ago) link
That reminds me to remove bookmark
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 20:29 (seven years ago) link
http://www.avclub.com/review/rogue-one-adventure-star-wars-dark-side-247345Liked it.
"B."
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 21:40 (seven years ago) link
the [redacted OT character] stuff sounds awful
― Number None, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 21:41 (seven years ago) link
"the journey is about as exciting as a long drive down the Florida Turnpike."
http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/movies-news-reviews/article120594658.html
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 21:55 (seven years ago) link
Bilge Ebiri has successfully moderated my expectations. I think I'm good to go.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 22:09 (seven years ago) link
do they blow up the death star in this one
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 22:44 (seven years ago) link
you're really ruining this for everyone
― nashwan, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 23:23 (seven years ago) link
is the last line in the film
― nashwan, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 23:24 (seven years ago) link
I have a bad feeling about this
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 23:25 (seven years ago) link
please tell me there is no pandering or nostalgia or callbacks in this. /s
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 23:34 (seven years ago) link
And the reaction:
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/how-the-fuck-high-was-this-new-yorker-guy-when-he-wrote-1790058128
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 23:35 (seven years ago) link
"half-baked and overcooked"
― jmm, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 00:15 (seven years ago) link
Brody hated it!? That's it. Gonna give my ticket away to Best Costume On Line.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 00:19 (seven years ago) link
I love how Brody reviews every mainstream movie, when they're thrown his way, like it's the first time he's ever seen a mainstream movie. "Star Wars," Hou Hsiao-hsien, same dif. Rosenbaum would do that kind of stuff, too, the type of guy who would reference Indiana Jones and then state as an aside that Crystal Skull was far and away the best in the series for its self-referential deconstructions of Cold War tropes, recast as a contemporary fantasy undermining the fiction of 1950's male hyper-potency or something.
I hope this movie ends with them making an emergency landing on the crawl that starts New Hope.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 00:33 (seven years ago) link
The crawl is revealed to have actually emanated from the Death Star, sculpted from its inner command chamber by a tearful Jar Jar.
― nashwan, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 00:42 (seven years ago) link
I read one not-reall-spoiler spoiler and am pleased that the movie ends how it should
btw everyone dies
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 04:22 (seven years ago) link
It's one gigantic shaggy dog story being narrated by Alan Tudyk's droid
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 04:35 (seven years ago) link
A shaggy droid story, even
my theory after reading too much was that Tarkin kills everyone, which may be true
except Vader, he does not kill Vader
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 04:40 (seven years ago) link
like I am guessing that at some point someone is like "uhhh rebels" and just kills all the characters introduced for this film with a lightsaber or Death Star turbolaser after they transmit the vulnerability
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 04:43 (seven years ago) link
after they transmit the vulnerability.
This is Star Wars, remember; no wireless, everything is air-gapped, as Tombot pointed out months ago.
That shot in the trailer where Jyn in running on the beach with a blaster in her hand? She has to be carrying the Maltese Falcon in her other.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 04:57 (seven years ago) link
I am going to see this on Sunday morning :D
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 05:02 (seven years ago) link
Def enjoying the revisionism the machine-tooled, deliberately impersonal product-making force this latest cycle has wrought, backing them (us) into a corner of giving the Lucas prequels credit for at least still retaining the threadbare shoddiness of the entire universe he built.
― Ballistic: ILX vs. Sever (Eric H.), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 05:04 (seven years ago) link
seeing this tomorrow night in glorious three-dee cuz they were the only tickets left
my prediction: tudyk's robot will be the best character, diego luna will be immensely charming and die unexpectedly, wen jiang and donnie yen will be criminally under-used, and the question of whether or not darth vader has a dick will be definitively answered. rating: b+
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 10:05 (seven years ago) link
also: i think the rebels will succeed in stealing the plans for the death star
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 10:06 (seven years ago) link
bold prediction
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 15:16 (seven years ago) link
I made it through 2016 without once getting in a flame war over Trump. One day and I'm doing it over this crap. Truly, Star Wars fan service is my Trumpland.
― Ballistic: ILX vs. Sever (Eric H.), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 15:18 (seven years ago) link
I saw some facebook shenanigans regarding reviews. It's getting heated?
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 15:20 (seven years ago) link
This was wonderful (h/t Eric H): http://letterboxd.com/keithuhlich/film/rogue-one-a-star-wars-story/
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 15:23 (seven years ago) link
Richard Brody declaring Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith the best movies in the whole franchise ... because they're the dumbest ones, I guess.
― Ballistic: ILX vs. Sever (Eric H.), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 15:23 (seven years ago) link
imo that is a brave, hilarious stance and I applaud him
I rewatched the latter on television and the two things that really stood out were the inability to follow the action -- there's some really bizarre camera movement combined with computer animation that gives scenes this weird visual effect that's really ugly, and the acting is really hampered by a lack of direction or really weird direction. Every review of the time mentioned that
Grafting a two-pronged government coup conspiracy on to a franchise that started out as a love letter to pulp science fiction was a weird choice
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 15:29 (seven years ago) link
I think I self-truncated: Every review mentioned that the constant use of green screen in lieu of more traditional sets disconnected the actors from context, which is a decent theory
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 15:34 (seven years ago) link
yeah, one of the best observations from those redlettermedia videos were that the use of greenscreen meant that even though the digital sets were often huge the actors could only move like 20 feet in any direction, which is impossible to ignore once you see it and makes them feel weirdly claustrophobic
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 15:38 (seven years ago) link
damn Eric how old is that ILX nickname of yours
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 15:39 (seven years ago) link
also episodes 2 and 3 were shot digitally in just 1080p, which is ludicrously low-res compared to 35mm, so they're only going to look worse as time goes by
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 15:41 (seven years ago) link
biggest example of CGI ruining the films is the Obi Wan fight w that CGI droid that is spinning like 4 lightsabers just inches from his face and Obi has the reaction of staring at a ping pong ball stuck to a wall. not to mention when he jumps on that lizard and the film momentarily turns from a 99% toy commercial to a 100% toy commercial.
i rewatched all of them this year. Empire is still the best by miles.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 15:42 (seven years ago) link
imo the admission that George Lucas really likes this film, along with the fact Star Wars was merchandised and marketed more than... hell, more than pretty much every franchise that had existed until Star Wars, makes me think that maybe this is what George Lucas wanted all along
the claims that a diverse cast is some sort of pandering to an international release schedule is some "film criticism was invented here and only exists here" garbage imo and it makes me want to read perspectives on film that aren't from americans/europeans
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 15:48 (seven years ago) link
1. It sounds like he has mistaken "uncanny valley" nausea and discomfort with an actual moral opposition to something that he then does a poor job of defining (what is any of that besides the obvious trajectory or recording technology since the first wax cylinder with a dead guy's voice on it?)
2. which completes the Mouse House corporatization of Star Wars that began with last year's J.J. Abrams-helmed The Force Awakens.Truly, no one is left who will protect our sacred texts from being desiccated by the makers of Frozen.
3. Another threshold: It seems that prosaic competence is the low bar most globalized Hollywood blockbusters must now clear. You know who really knew how to throw together a hodgepodge of set pieces into a giant money machine, Cecil Blount DeMille.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 15:49 (seven years ago) link
weird I think my formatting tags warning ate my xpost warning
anyway massive xpost, that was a response to the link Alfred posted above.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 15:50 (seven years ago) link
the claims that a diverse cast is some sort of pandering to an international release schedule
tbh, this I regard as one of the few silver linings of Hollywood globalization
― Ballistic: ILX vs. Sever (Eric H.), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 15:54 (seven years ago) link
never doubted you for a minutre
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 15:56 (seven years ago) link
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, December 14, 2016
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 16:08 (seven years ago) link
I quit this court!
― ILXorcist 2: The Heretic (Eric H.), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 16:13 (seven years ago) link
re: "silver lining" of H'wood G'lization, I also agree that it is good when capitalism accidentally does something that makes the world better.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 16:21 (seven years ago) link
except don't all these new characters die? that's kind of a cop-out
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 16:24 (seven years ago) link
disney are making a valuable contribution to society by showing that people of all races, creeds and colours die imo
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 16:25 (seven years ago) link
We can only hope.
― ILXorcist 2: The Heretic (Eric H.), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 16:26 (seven years ago) link
An Old Hope.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 16:28 (seven years ago) link
I heard they had a whole army of space folks consulting to ensure they represented space traditions as respectfully and accurately as possible.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 16:32 (seven years ago) link
Well that's the real trick, innit; we are all gunna die, just as long as our (onscreen) deaths have purpose or meaning and contribute to the Greater Good. Everybody rebel dies in a hail of blaster fire; not every rebel truly lives.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 16:35 (seven years ago) link
Well that's the real trick, innit
I see what you did
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 16:37 (seven years ago) link
Well, I'm as human as the next man.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 17:30 (seven years ago) link
I'm sure this is canonically answered somewhere: did they ever get a refund?
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 17:31 (seven years ago) link
On what? The deposit for the space station?
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 17:54 (seven years ago) link
http://www.vulture.com/2016/12/star-wars-politics-violence.html
And that’s the heart of the problem in using Star Wars as a political metaphor: If you’re flying an X-wing, everything looks like a Death Star.
That’s why Star Wars has been used time and again to frame causes both Democratic (MoveOn.org co-opted “Save the Republic” from Revenge of the Sith in 2005) and Republican (Reagan first called the U.S.S.R. an “evil empire” in 1983, the same year Return of the Jedi was released).
― ILXorcist 2: The Heretic (Eric H.), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 18:09 (seven years ago) link
If you’re flying an X-wing, everything looks like a Death Star.
koan
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 18:10 (seven years ago) link
you ppl see this while a Warren Beatty film about Earth dies at the box office
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 18:32 (seven years ago) link
I'm not seeing either of those turds fwiw
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 18:35 (seven years ago) link
Rules Don't Apply is about Earth?! ... Makes sense.
― ILXorcist 2: The Heretic (Eric H.), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 18:40 (seven years ago) link
ah yes, the other reason to always never 51 Morbius
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 18:48 (seven years ago) link
Just wish he could keep his accent. Boba Fett's a Kiwi now, why can't we have Imperial Australians?― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Friday, October 14, 2016...Jeeze. Come on mate. You'd prefer another target, a military target? In your own time.Dantooine? Yeah, nah. Boys, when you're ready, have a lash.― MatthewK, Friday, October 14, 2016
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Friday, October 14, 2016
...
― MatthewK, Friday, October 14, 2016
this still cracks me up btw
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:34 (seven years ago) link
Wow, Warren Beatty Hollywood biopic not breaking out of the mid/high 50s on RT/MC responses.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:48 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiqPmsBYieA
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 20:14 (seven years ago) link
Lol Morbs you are just parodying yourself now
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 15 December 2016 02:39 (seven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/TechnicallyRon/status/764025941051842560
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Thursday, 15 December 2016 13:48 (seven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzpEZJEXEAEvAI7.jpg
― ILXorcist 2: The Heretic (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 December 2016 13:55 (seven years ago) link
just back from seeing this - it is basically the most expensive fan-film ever made, but it hits almost all the right notes.
it's way more of a war movie than i was expecting. in fact, there are some rebel soldiers in straight-up vietnam-era combat gear, which kinda makes the climactic battle (which lasts for basically the whole third act!) feel a little bit too much like a kid smashing his toys together, paying no attention that some army men got mixed up with the x-wings. it's... distracting.
it manages to achieve one thing i thought was now next to impossible in one scene tho - it makes darth vader scary again. not for long, but for long enough to count.
my wife really liked it too, but as an orchestral perscussionist she was horrified by the timpani playing on the score - her old timpani teacher kurt played on the scores for the original trilogy and she says he'd be disgusted by the tinny sound on the new soundtrack. so be warned if you're a percussion nerd i guess?
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 15 December 2016 22:54 (seven years ago) link
is Jake in it
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 December 2016 22:56 (seven years ago) link
that is an awesomely nerdy complaint xp
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 15 December 2016 22:57 (seven years ago) link
of all the inevitable star wars nerd complaints about this movie i think that might be the most uniquely nerdy, yeah. she's a special lady alright
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:01 (seven years ago) link
Enjoyed this more than Force Awakens, actually. Despite having an endpoint it has to reach, it felt less constrained plot-wise than TFA, which held so close to the plot of Star Wars. Vader was scary. The almost entirely non-Anglo crew of heroes were a delight to watch, and pretty charming. Liked the robot. Couldn't work out what anybody's names were, but that barely mattered. Some lovely visuals. Didn't notice the timpani. Mendelsohn occasionally sounded Australian, and the rest of the time as though he had a moth full of saliva he was just waiting to propel into somebody's face.
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:01 (seven years ago) link
MOUTH full of saliva, the effects weren't THAT special.
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:02 (seven years ago) link
since disney are committed to cranking out star wars side-movies i'd like to request that wen jiang and donnie yen get their own, please, cuz they were a total fuckin' treat
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:13 (seven years ago) link
^^^^
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:42 (seven years ago) link
couldn't believe how good the fx were of (SPOILER?) you know what and you know who. i mean legit could not get my head round it.
kinda ho hum for some of it but the final half hour; peak Star Wars, as good as the series has ever been IMO. and the final few scenes.. holy shit did i love that stuff.
coulda lived without punn-y Darth ("don't choke now" or whatever he said) but that's just nitpicking.
are we not bothering with a spoiler-y thread for this film?
― piscesx, Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:53 (seven years ago) link
wait you mean they DO blow up the death star?!?
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:59 (seven years ago) link
spoiler alert: they do not blow up the death star
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 16 December 2016 00:05 (seven years ago) link
however they do obtain individual building meter data from the campus
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 16 December 2016 00:07 (seven years ago) link
I was worried
― Οὖτις, Friday, 16 December 2016 00:09 (seven years ago) link
the you know who effects were disastrous I thought
sank every scene with him in it
― Number None, Friday, 16 December 2016 00:47 (seven years ago) link
I thought they were pretty good in and off themselves, but still slightly distracting/uncanny valley in context.
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Friday, 16 December 2016 00:55 (seven years ago) link
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara),
Bravo!
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Friday, 16 December 2016 00:56 (seven years ago) link
I guess I appreciated what a bummer this was (it might be the most downbeat blockbuster ever) but I didn't really enjoy myself at any point. Maybe the final moments. Up until the final final moment that is
― Number None, Friday, 16 December 2016 01:00 (seven years ago) link
i'm stunned by this 'bad CGI' talk maybe my eyesight is fucked because i was wowed. i couldn't even tell it was cgi straight up.
'Star Wars On The Beach' was a good idea too.
― piscesx, Friday, 16 December 2016 02:14 (seven years ago) link
downbeat-ness of (spoilzz) killing off characters one by one reminded me of The Dirty Dozen
― piscesx, Friday, 16 December 2016 02:18 (seven years ago) link
shocking just how much from trailer 1 hit the cutting room floor.
reshoots eh.
― piscesx, Friday, 16 December 2016 02:38 (seven years ago) link
If this is a war movie, do they smoke cigarettes? I'm about to find out so shut up
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Friday, 16 December 2016 03:14 (seven years ago) link
i thought the cgi was noticeable, and i didn't know about it going in --- everyone else i saw it with had no clue
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 16 December 2016 04:17 (seven years ago) link
They left Fantastic Beasts in the projector. This crowd is never going to let them live it down.
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Friday, 16 December 2016 04:19 (seven years ago) link
Not perfect but lots of fun and definitely the best looking SW film by far. But the music --- yeesh. This needed Williams or someone who didn't just know "generic fanfare styles" composing. Liked it far more than FA.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 16 December 2016 06:10 (seven years ago) link
Giacchino trying to be different didn't help, I agree. When he'd work in an echo of Schifrin or Morricone, it was pretty neat, but otherwise not great. It didn't matter much though!
The CG puppets of Spoiler and Young Spoiler were distracting. The first moreso than if they'd just gotten another actor, I think, and the second just completely unnecessary imo. Felt like putting that superfluous button on all the preceding action actually diminished things. Let the little people have their moment!
I loved it, of course.
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Friday, 16 December 2016 06:44 (seven years ago) link
The guy who played Vader did a great job
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Friday, 16 December 2016 06:45 (seven years ago) link
The "Leaders" also definitely didn't need to put in more than one appearance each - we all got it the first time, thank you!
I kinda hope the guys driving the hammerhead corvette made it out alive, though it seems unlikely. Should've given that crew southern accents IMHO.
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Friday, 16 December 2016 06:57 (seven years ago) link
xxpost Bad music / too much music def distracts me just as much as bad editing or acting. There was so much great stuff to take in here, though, that I managed to block it out. Once the final act took off I realized the scoring was infinitely better! I have to This is so packed with badass visuals and moments and feels so completely weighty and lived-in that I almost wish all future spin-off films and Episodes stick to this one as their template.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 16 December 2016 07:52 (seven years ago) link
i think we might as well acknowledge that things will be spoiler-filled from here on, right? i can't be arsed pussyfooting around details anymore
i thought digital peter cushing was both a) the best-looking cgi actor i've seen to date and b) still nowhere near convincing. there's just something off about the way the eyes and mouth move that i can't quite put my finger on which gives the trickery away
weirdly, digicushing didn't look nearly as cadaverous to me in rogue one as he does in star wars - maybe the stress of losing the death star plans hollowed him out a little, i dunno
i think it's the digital actors which are going to date this film fastest - i was really, really impressed with the rest of the cg but i suspect in five or ten years we'll look back at digicushing and digifisher and wince a little
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 16 December 2016 10:03 (seven years ago) link
and yeah, looking again at the trailers it's alarming how much stuff didn't make the final cut - at the end i kept waiting for that heroic shot of jyn limping towards the terminal on the comms tower as a tie fighter rises in front of her and it never showed up. i hope there's a decent deep-dive postmortem soon which goes into what the reshoot process was like
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 16 December 2016 10:11 (seven years ago) link
yeah that shot was a big miss
on the Cushing issue, I feel like they could have been more creative. Just use him a little less or keep him in the shadows or whatever. And Leia they didn't need to use at all. The shot of her actually ruined what I thought was a pretty cool ending otherwise.
― Number None, Friday, 16 December 2016 10:18 (seven years ago) link
oh and the scene in Vader's castle was TERRIBLE. JEJ's voice sounds so different now. Plus that godawful choking pun
― Number None, Friday, 16 December 2016 10:21 (seven years ago) link
when digicushing shows up first and you see the back of his head and his reflection in the window i thought maybe they knew their limitations and they were going to minimise his presence. then he turned round :(
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 16 December 2016 10:37 (seven years ago) link
thing is, they recast Mon Mothma (not to mention Han and Lando in their upcoming flick) so why not do the same here? I know Cushing was a pretty distinctive looking actor but surely that would have been preferable. Felt like they did it to prove they could.
― Number None, Friday, 16 December 2016 11:33 (seven years ago) link
saw this last night, enjoyed it -- more than Force Awakens. For me, the movie got more engaging, more fun, and I had a stake in the characters more as it went on. No spoilers, but I (and the rest of the theater) cheered at the end, so chalk it up to good pacing, and the director telling a story well.
Regarding the music -- I wouldn't say it was distracting, but multiple times I had the thought, "this is obviously going for Star Wars feel without actually being traditional Star Wars music" (except in a couple of spots where it did actually quote Star Wars themes). Not actually sure why they didn't just get John Williams to do this, except that there does appear to have been a conscious effort to distance Rogue One from the other films, as being somehow a different thing.
Acting generally good, tho IMO Felicity Jones, while not bad, also not terribly interesting onscreen, which is odd considering the things her character had gone through. Diego Luna was very good, and Ben Mendelsohn was a good villain. Totally disagree about Leia thoughts above -- her moment was kind of amazing in the theater.
― Dominique, Friday, 16 December 2016 14:11 (seven years ago) link
the scene in Vader's castle was TERRIBLE
this has me most hyped. i remember reading that from the early ESB scripts and thinking it sounded so amazing.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 16 December 2016 14:35 (seven years ago) link
agree that the digiactors will age this v quickly
the rest of it is gorgeous, though, def the best looking SW movie. also really nails the (as someone else said upthread) "lived-in" feel, totally captures what i think is the best part of the whole aesthetic
and yah JEJ's voice sounded...weird. and really a lot more clearly like himself (i guess) than Vader. the castle was dope, that scene was goofy
forrest whitaker is a cornball
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 16 December 2016 15:22 (seven years ago) link
^ agree on all points here
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 16 December 2016 15:24 (seven years ago) link
Oh yeah - loved the Cthulhoid Octo-thing
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 16 December 2016 15:25 (seven years ago) link
Vader's Castle made me go "wow". Remember seeing McQuarrie art for it - I think - as a kid and didn't expect to see it here. Lots of little "wow" moments in this.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 16 December 2016 15:27 (seven years ago) link
"the emperor and the army are building some sort of super weapon! if we show proof to the senate, surely they will act"
"omg shut up they built a giant weapon thing, this is the time to openly rebel, not do a powerpoint presentation"
*five minutes after this movie*
"the senate has been dissolved"
― mh 😏, Friday, 16 December 2016 16:25 (seven years ago) link
This was pretty good. Had my problems with it in the first half or so but once they get on the beach planet it gets really good.
Like most people I wish they hadn't bothered making a cgi Grand Moff Tarkin and princess Leia. Even Darth Vader looked kind of weird, his suit looked a bit too much like cheap plastic.
These are minor quibbles though, overall.
― silverfish, Friday, 16 December 2016 21:09 (seven years ago) link
One thing that speaks to how much fun this was: when they landed on Scarif, I thought "aw man, this is the last place"
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Friday, 16 December 2016 21:15 (seven years ago) link
I like how Vader in his flotation tank mirrored Luke in his Hoth tank
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 16 December 2016 21:29 (seven years ago) link
Pig Nose and his buddy Ass Face on Jedha!
Supposedly loads of cameos in this including some SW Rebels stuff (Chopper, the Ghost) that will hav eto wait for home viewing, Iguess, since the frame is usually *full* throughout the film.
Also loved the use of perspective once they were on the jungle planet (Scarif?) : from the pilot's view looking down in the space battle to Jyn on that transparent platform and the "Data Room" scene which called back Obi-Wan and the Tractor Beam. Good stuff.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 16 December 2016 21:33 (seven years ago) link
― Number None, Friday, December 16, 2016 5:21 AM (eleven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i didn't find vader's "ambitions" comment to be a groaner...it didn't really strike me as going for humor. i thought it was pretty badass tbh
there was however too much humor in this movie, same as with TFA. the humor is just too...modern? i don't really know how do describe what i mean. it took away from the gravity of the film. on that same note, for a movie in which literally every main character dies, i didn't find myself really caring about any of the deaths. i guess as a side-movie where we weren't going to see the characters again anyway that matters less, but i really just couldn't bring myself to care about any of them
also...what...the fuck was forest whitaker's character? was he a magical crackhead in the comics or whatever too?
― k3vin k., Friday, 16 December 2016 21:42 (seven years ago) link
https://j.gifs.com/n5Wg8Y.gif
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 16 December 2016 21:47 (seven years ago) link
best callback cameo in this was the blue milk in the urso family kitchen right at the start
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 16 December 2016 21:48 (seven years ago) link
I actually did care about the characters by the end of this, tho admittedly it took about half the movie before that started to set in. And the cameo stuff makes me want to see it again -- which is the first time I've felt that about a SW movie since the original trilogy in a LONG time.
Also, was anyone else impressed at how seamlessly this ramped up to ep IV? If it hadn't been so late, I'd have watched it straight away when I got home.
― Dominique, Friday, 16 December 2016 22:50 (seven years ago) link
It took me a minute to realize what they did with whitaker's character. he was completely paranoid and half robot after being a guerilla fighter for over twenty years. the secrecy, breaking with the alliance because they refused to sanction overt action, living in a stronghold in a place the imperials were fully dropping the military hammer. the kid he pretty much raised shows up and he still can't tell if it's real or just another point of a plot to take him down
in the cartoons it was twenty years earlier and he was trained to fight using guerilla tactics by a few jedi and iirc had all his original limbs and a family
― mh 😏, Friday, 16 December 2016 23:10 (seven years ago) link
thought 4 sure DV was going to come out of the shuttle when mendelsohn & mikkelsen had their exchange
― ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 16 December 2016 23:59 (seven years ago) link
also was 2 hours of DV just icing dudes
― ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 17 December 2016 00:00 (seven years ago) link
Xpost to Dominique -- Yeah those last 10-15 minutes were spot on. Though still on the fence about Leia's "look".
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 17 December 2016 00:23 (seven years ago) link
Vader just completely tearing through dudes in a hallway was very good
― mh 😏, Saturday, 17 December 2016 00:35 (seven years ago) link
Especially surprising since Dirty Vicar stopped posting about 3 years ago
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Saturday, 17 December 2016 00:49 (seven years ago) link
by far the best bit of the movie. Which says something about it I think. Or maybe about me
― Number None, Saturday, 17 December 2016 01:41 (seven years ago) link
Yeah that was good. Though it bothers me that at the beginning of a new hope (15 minutes later) he just sends some storm troopers to take out the rebel soldiers. It doesn't really make sense, continuity-wise.
― silverfish, Saturday, 17 December 2016 01:58 (seven years ago) link
I figure anybody who chooses to spend their leisure time immersed in a bacta tank probably has a lot of "off days"
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Saturday, 17 December 2016 02:16 (seven years ago) link
#TrumpEraResonance
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 December 2016 02:20 (seven years ago) link
lol yes I think Disney is probably going to turn out to have been behind the Russians, so this movie would seem extra trenchant
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Saturday, 17 December 2016 02:31 (seven years ago) link
also that early scene where cassian is on an intelligence mission, meets with the paranoid dude, and takes him out when it's clear he'd be unable to avoid capture
saw that and though, wow, they're going to really go for it
― mh 😏, Saturday, 17 December 2016 02:42 (seven years ago) link
yeah thought that was great too
― Nhex, Saturday, 17 December 2016 09:48 (seven years ago) link
They got the balance just about right on Vader. The choke line felt in character. Several excellent shots - his shadow looming over Krennic, his lightsabre ignition, the tank scene, his staring into space at the blockade runner. I thought the film might even end right there and was almost hoping he'd say "Follow that ship...".
But I was surprised how much I loved the Leia moment and she did seem to look better in those few seconds than Tarkin who got way too much light. I expect they'll be able to refine the look of Tarkin progressively though - he should look realer over time.
K2's 'bad feeling' line was too clunky even with the cut off from Jyn. Didn't need it. Didn't need the 3P0 and R2 cameo either but I guess they have to be in every one.
Episode 3's most enjoyable aspect (of few) was always going to be its juggernaut career towards the visual language and culture of the next installment and it did it relatively well with its final scenes to the extent that Rogue One had few obligations there, allowing it to focus on a lot of great environmental enrichment (locations, background accessories and folk). I was sceptical of the desire for it to end so close to the start of Episode 4 BUT a) it surely does this as well as possible and b) boosts the proposed immediate pick-up of Episode 8 from 7 more as an introductory approach too.
Most 'whoa' visual shot maybe the Star Destroyer emerging from hyperspace to block retreating Rebel ships. So good on 70mm IMAX.
― nashwan, Saturday, 17 December 2016 12:40 (seven years ago) link
saw this and fucking fell asleep (5 hours of drinking and an 11:30 pm show will do that to you)...going again today in IMAX.
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 17 December 2016 13:06 (seven years ago) link
― mh 😏, Friday, December 16, 2016 7:35 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Wonder how much that was influenced by the just-concluded Marvel Comics run, because that's about the closest on-screen depiction I've scene of Vader fighting that way. Just an absolute, unstoppable juggernaut.
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Saturday, 17 December 2016 15:50 (seven years ago) link
Drew's reaction is hilarious. I can't believe he didn't realize how it was probably going to end, though!
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/holy-shit-we-gotta-talk-about-the-end-of-rogue-one-1790223282
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Saturday, 17 December 2016 18:04 (seven years ago) link
hahaha
yeah, I told my coworker who was wondering if he should bring his six year old to maybe have him sit this one out
― mh 😏, Saturday, 17 December 2016 18:17 (seven years ago) link
The mind-reading squid would probably have traumatised me at 6 (also 16, 36...)
― nashwan, Saturday, 17 December 2016 18:28 (seven years ago) link
so about that squid
wasn't it supposed to drive the pilot mad or something?
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Saturday, 17 December 2016 18:31 (seven years ago) link
yeah that was the set up
ended up being a bit of a damp squid though
― Number None, Saturday, 17 December 2016 18:37 (seven years ago) link
should have had the squid give Forest a hug to close out Act I
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Saturday, 17 December 2016 19:22 (seven years ago) link
it was supposed to read his mind to determine if he was truthful
it only temporarily fucked up his mind, luckily
― mh 😏, Saturday, 17 December 2016 20:25 (seven years ago) link
Got an Apocalypse Now/Heart Of Darkness vibe from the main arc of the first act.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 17 December 2016 20:43 (seven years ago) link
The ending was def Godfather 2
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 17 December 2016 20:45 (seven years ago) link
http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-major-rogue-one-character-is-heading-to-star-wars-reb-1790229657
― mh 😏, Saturday, 17 December 2016 22:00 (seven years ago) link
stayed awake this time. loved it. it's what I wanted in the story, not major enough of an arc that it felt epic, but a solid inbetweenquel
the scene on the beach at the end was fantastic
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 17 December 2016 22:05 (seven years ago) link
brain squid too please
I need to go see it again and keep an eye out for the Ghost and Chopper cameos
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Saturday, 17 December 2016 22:10 (seven years ago) link
I spent the whole movie thinking that Riz Ahmed (Bodhi) looked like a Pakistani Snoop Dogg
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 17 December 2016 22:14 (seven years ago) link
Shit, that's where I recognized him from: "Nightcrawler!"
Maybe it's because I had low expectations, due to some reviews but mostly due to seeing so many crap blockbusters later (Fantastic Beasts and Doctor Strange), but I liked this. Yeah, some tiny quibbles, but fewer than usual for me. Liked it better than "Force Awakens," which my kids apparently disliked so much I could only convince one to come with me this morning. She, astutely as ever, said that it started like A New Hope and ended like Return of the Jedi. She also liked the female lead in this one better, because "she actually did things." She was totally fooled by the fake people FX, incidentally. We left during the credits - did they credit the actual actors as their characters? How was that credited?
Speaking of credits, is Jimmie Smits the first explicit link to the prequels? And speaking of prequels, how is this a "stand alone" Star Wars film, and not a prequel? Because it's a prequel.
Thought midway through: no one in Star Wars world is afraid of heights.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 December 2016 22:17 (seven years ago) link
I think Rey is more interesting and a more developed character than Jyn, but Jyn was exactly what this film needed.
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 17 December 2016 22:20 (seven years ago) link
not that there are set rules on it, but I don't see it as much as a prequel simply because they made three prequels, then went to episode 7, and then created a film that was sandwiched in between both trilogies.
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 17 December 2016 22:21 (seven years ago) link
err the prequel trilogy and the subsequent tetralogy is more accurate I guess.
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 17 December 2016 22:22 (seven years ago) link
If anything, it's the Death Star origin story: finally we learn how the Death Star became the Death Star.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 December 2016 22:23 (seven years ago) link
Well, the people in the Star Wars Universe who do have acrophobia don't talk about it, and we certainly don't meet any severe cases. If you don't like flying and you don't do well with heights it's the farm for you. farming is good. lots of respectable people in the farm business. One of the Republic programs the Emperor never got rid of? Future Farmers Of The Galaxy.
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Saturday, 17 December 2016 22:23 (seven years ago) link
I'd think given space travel, you'd have to get used to heights. Which is maybe why farmers take buggies or float around on ships that hover a foot off the ground. They're afraid of heights!
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 December 2016 22:25 (seven years ago) link
Anyway, all these movies feature lots of fights over or around or on long drops/cliffs/towers, and everyone is usually pretty chill. But gravity's a pretty powerful force, too!
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 December 2016 22:26 (seven years ago) link
I kinda am enjoying Ben Mendelssohn's recent blockbuster turn as the baddie who is in over his head, w/ this and his role in Dark Knight Rises. just love the dude continually getting screwed over every time he thinks he's made it.
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 17 December 2016 22:26 (seven years ago) link
xpost that is an action movie trope tho, how many times did John McClane hang on a ledge ffs
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 17 December 2016 22:27 (seven years ago) link
maybe the wilhelm scream helps you survive a fall? everybody does it whenever they get knocked off a precipice
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Saturday, 17 December 2016 22:27 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBGJTiyvd90
the rebel alliance scene where they're debating is almost a callback to this deleted scene, from a truly cringeworthy movie
both bail organa/mon mothma appear in rogue one, played by the same actors
― mh 😏, Saturday, 17 December 2016 23:02 (seven years ago) link
Is that Pharaoh Sanders?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 December 2016 23:03 (seven years ago) link
I definitely spotted the Ghost in the fleet scene, and heard the page at the Rebel base for "Gen. Syndulla," but didn't see Chopper.
w/ this and his role in Dark Knight Rises.
Holy crap, didn't realize that was the same actor. He definitely gets a bad deal from dudes with breathing masks on.
Having that hammerhead Rebel ship ram the Star Destroyer and use it to take out the others was one of the most absolute badass things I have ever seen in any SW movie or cartoon. And the ship's commander never hesitates for even a second! He's like the Deltas in "Animal House" -- RAMMING SPEEEEEEED!
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Saturday, 17 December 2016 23:58 (seven years ago) link
Yeah did enjoy that as the explanation for the General's "I've got a plan!" - "Will it involve heroic self-sacrifice?" "Well not my self, no, but these guys won't be seeing their families again"
Also liked that said General had Admiral Ackbar's command cockpit that gives you a 360-degree view of how fucked you are.
I am team "Holy shit they killed everyone!" - it wouldn't have been entirely unexpected if a Star Wars film featured lead characters making a daring escape at the end, I'd have rolled my eyes but still considered it a success,
I agree with mh about Cassian's first scene, I also loved the gathering of volunteers after the council scene, that these are the people with grey souls whose actions let Mon Mothra float about in brilliant white.
Also suspected along with Phil D that the recently-ended comic book influenced the Vader of his last few scenes.
There was a refreshing lack of slow motion or heroic berserking - once you took a couple of hits, down you went.
Basically this was a very well done, grown-up Star Wars film.
I'm just not entirely certain how I feel about a grown-up Star Wars film.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 18 December 2016 02:09 (seven years ago) link
I don't think the film ever touched on the thorny question of what the fuck a Bothan is though?
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 18 December 2016 02:14 (seven years ago) link
Those poor Bothans died for ROTJ Death Star plans
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 18 December 2016 03:07 (seven years ago) link
My 7 y.o. nephew is excited to go see this with me - his Dad is lame and doesn't "do Star Wars". I dunno if this one may be a little too heavy for him -- though he did watch Han die last year and my sis hasn't reported any crazy behavior since lol.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 18 December 2016 03:09 (seven years ago) link
"Him" = my nephew. Not the Dad.
re: bothans, sort your Death Stars, ppl
also don't read the old extended universe because I know the bothans, hate their politics, and know whether human types can fuck them
I hate star wars
back on topic, apparently the mon cal caommander dude was supposed to be their version of Churchill. at least they got the neck right
― mh 😏, Sunday, 18 December 2016 04:17 (seven years ago) link
refreshing lack of slow motion
yes. this was extremely important. everything just kept chugging along.
I do actually want to see this again, possibly in imax if it's convenient.
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Sunday, 18 December 2016 04:24 (seven years ago) link
This was fun but MAN was there some bigtime video game plotting and filler bits on the beachhead. So many switches!
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Sunday, 18 December 2016 07:13 (seven years ago) link
Wow was I completely wrong about this, thanks to early trailers and re-shot scenes.
Also, did anyone else think the "manually grab a data tape then click around" was some straight-up filler to give the leads something to do while the battle raged all round?
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Sunday, 18 December 2016 07:21 (seven years ago) link
Anybody else get "Xwing"/"Tie fighter" flashbacks in this? They mention Admiral Thrawn by name, and several Y-Wings use ion torpodes to deactivate a star destroyer
Wasn't until the ships scene at the end(with re-used Gold Leader/Red Leader footage) that I realized what they were going for. Like, holy shit, they really _were_ going to do the Death Star attack using modern tech. Cute that the pilot with the callsign Red-5 got taken out, leaving his spot in the squadron open.
Much like Star Wars originally was pastiche, this totally felt like pastiche but of war films. You had everything from WWII/Vietnam/Battle of Algiers stuff.
There's a shot looking out on the beach showing the containers arrays just perfectly so to allow for some 3rd-person cover shooter game action to happen.
Totally expected Donnie Yen to ignite a partial light saber from the end of his staff for his last scene.
The amount of unused stuff from old Star Wars drafts was amusing; kyber crystals, Temple of the Whills, Black Saber(or Dark Saber?). Completely forgot about the idea of Vader's castle. Thought it was odd that every new planet got a little title card when first shown except for his.
Much like with Force Awakens, anybody notice the mirroring of shots from Star Wars? Stuff like the rebel dude in his crows nest at Yavin 4, who was shown twice, once to match the earlier movie, the second for a much different moment where they jack the impounded imperial ship.
One of the many, many callbacks: when Jyn is hiding in her bunker, she fiddled around trying to light what looks like the same type of lamp Luke uses on Dagobah.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Sunday, 18 December 2016 07:57 (seven years ago) link
A cute bit from the IMDB trivia:
Shipped to theaters under the name "Los Alamos".
Seriously. We have a SW film that ends with the leads embracing as they are enveloped in a mushroom cloud.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Sunday, 18 December 2016 07:59 (seven years ago) link
― Nhex, Sunday, 18 December 2016 08:04 (seven years ago) link
Disappointed there wasn't more of a reaction to this
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Sunday, 18 December 2016 08:14 (seven years ago) link
Other bit of rhyming poetry connection: an Xwing with a black male pilot blows up the shield generator on a star destroyer(the big geodesic spheres on its bridge), which I remember because the same exact thing happens in Jedi and featured the only black Rebel pilot I remember.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Sunday, 18 December 2016 08:22 (seven years ago) link
Also, is this the first SW with progress bars on a screen?
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Sunday, 18 December 2016 09:52 (seven years ago) link
The Star Wars: Battlefront game just added Scarif as DLC at the beginning of the month, and the load screens look pretty much exactly like this shot in the movie. And everything functions exactly as you describe.
There's this little one when Obi-Wan shuts off the tractor beam in the OG Star Wars:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bY2cFf70O-E/Ts6n4SzFq7I/AAAAAAAABEo/lmivGCZ3vPo/s1600/tractorbeam1997.jpg
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Sunday, 18 December 2016 13:18 (seven years ago) link
This was very disjointed and overly gloomy, and I was zoning out occasionally during the heavy-going mid-section, but the final third was exhilarating enough that I came away feeling more positive about the film than I would have done. Comfortably below Force Awakens, for me, but I look forward to seeing it again.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Sunday, 18 December 2016 13:41 (seven years ago) link
lol i made a casual Grand Moff Tarkin joke on FB before i even knew about the bullshit in this movie
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 18 December 2016 14:19 (seven years ago) link
Looks like the story overhaul was pretty big: http://www.slashfilm.com/rogue-one-missing-trailer-footage/#disqus_thread
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 18 December 2016 14:47 (seven years ago) link
overly gloomy
I feel you may have different expectations of this film than many of us.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 18 December 2016 14:57 (seven years ago) link
the Cushing puppetry ensures I never see this, what a ghoulish, horrible idea
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 18 December 2016 14:57 (seven years ago) link
he's in a whopping ten minutes of the film
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 18 December 2016 15:04 (seven years ago) link
p whopping for a dead guy.
i assume his children signed off on that, so i'd like to pitch a movie where he haunts them to death.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 18 December 2016 15:05 (seven years ago) link
if it was really so minor they should have just recast like they apparently did with a buncha other characters
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 18 December 2016 15:11 (seven years ago) link
xp Joyce Broughton, his former secretary who oversees his estate - he died without issue.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 18 December 2016 15:13 (seven years ago) link
I didn't find anything ghoulish about it at all, tbh - he was a fairly recognizable guy, and it wasn't a hologram projection using actual footage of him or anything, it was CGI created in his likeness, obv his voice wasn't used Forrest Gump-style or anything. are we going to get equally upset the next time a dead person turns up as a playable character on a video game too?
they could have avoided it, sure, but as stated upthread, it was equal parts "hey we can do this! wow" and also preserving a villain whose likeness was unique. They could have gone the Bela Lugosi in Plan 9 route, or cast a diff actor with a bit of awkward exposition ("I did that think you asked, Grand Moff Tarkin"), they didn't.
I do get the uncanny valley critiques though - for me, it didn't take me out of the movie.
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 18 December 2016 15:13 (seven years ago) link
Funny you should mention him...
As for the deceased, California has led the way in protecting the right to control how an actor’s image is used after his or her death. The legislature passed a law in 1984 establishing the postmortem right of publicity and timing them out 50 years after the individual’s death. The law was a response to a court ruling finding that Bela Lugosi’s heirs had no power to prevent the use of his image in Dracula merchandise. At the urging of the Screen Actors Guild, the legislature has since extended the right to 70 years.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 18 December 2016 15:15 (seven years ago) link
Some actor in Cushing makeup played Tarkin for a few seconds in Revenge of the Sith.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 December 2016 15:20 (seven years ago) link
xxxpost they didn't recast several characters! they even brought back the original players for the Gold and Red Leaders, who they used CGI de-aging on, and even the guy who played Wedge Antilles for a vocal cameo.
I mean I guess if you want to argue Mon Mothma isn't the same actress from Jedi, but it's the same one from ROTS.
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 18 December 2016 15:22 (seven years ago) link
I mean ok David Prowse wasn't Vader (physically) but it isn't like you can see the guy underneath the outfit.
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 18 December 2016 15:23 (seven years ago) link
unless you were a big General Dodonna fan
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 18 December 2016 15:27 (seven years ago) link
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, December 18, 2016 10:20 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Forgot about that!
in this case there was a physical actor who looked similar to Tarkin that did the physical movement and they used CGI and digitally altered archive footage of Cushing to create the likeness, when another actor (Steven Stanton, who portrayed him in Clone Wars) did the voice. and apparently the Cushing family was very involved in the process, according to Kathleen Kennedy.
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 18 December 2016 15:33 (seven years ago) link
Lol
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 18 December 2016 15:35 (seven years ago) link
(Xpost)
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 18 December 2016 15:36 (seven years ago) link
i didn't find vader's "ambitions" comment to be a groaner.
the actual line was "choke on your aspirations", which perhaps made people groan due to the double-pun.
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 18 December 2016 15:38 (seven years ago) link
they put Laurence Olivier into that Sky Captain movie, right?
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 18 December 2016 15:59 (seven years ago) link
Morbs...who cares? We get it.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 18 December 2016 16:13 (seven years ago) link
Did anyone answer my question about how or if Fisher and Cushing were credited in their roles? We were busy looking for a lost hat.
Was hoping for a "Zatoichi, the Blind Jedi" spin-off. Oh well.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 18 December 2016 16:16 (seven years ago) link
many. Cushings. died. to bring us this role
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 December 2016 16:22 (seven years ago) link
and all I got was this shitty t-shirt
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 18 December 2016 16:24 (seven years ago) link
More Cushing for the Pushing.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 18 December 2016 16:24 (seven years ago) link
GOVERNOR TARKIN -- Guy Henry...with Special Thanks to Peter CushingPRINCESS LEIA -- Ingvild Deila... with Special Thanks to Carrie Fisher
PRINCESS LEIA -- Ingvild Deila... with Special Thanks to Carrie Fisher
― Number None, Sunday, 18 December 2016 16:26 (seven years ago) link
Ah! Thanks.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 18 December 2016 16:27 (seven years ago) link
If I do then it's my fault for watching the trailers.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Sunday, 18 December 2016 17:22 (seven years ago) link
I was completely bowled over by this. My wife and son (12) didn't appreciate it as much, based on the idea that "we already knew they were going to succeed in getting them the plans so it took away from the suspense." I think they are both garbage at watching movies.
For me the only part where it kinda plodded for me was the final act. It was a glorious battle and everything, but it seemed to go on and on.
― how's life, Sunday, 18 December 2016 19:15 (seven years ago) link
the final act was the only good bit
― Number None, Sunday, 18 December 2016 19:16 (seven years ago) link
even the guy who played Wedge Antilles for a vocal cameo.
I don't think Wedge was in this at all. We do see Capt Antilles, tho
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Sunday, 18 December 2016 19:52 (seven years ago) link
i heard there were some inserted audio/video clips from ANH during the dogfights but didn't notice them myself
how's life lol
― Nhex, Sunday, 18 December 2016 20:20 (seven years ago) link
Xpost supposedly it was only his voice on the speakers during the fight sequence. I didn't hear it myself but am going by what i read afterwards.
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 18 December 2016 20:21 (seven years ago) link
Saw this today. I liked it but prefer TFA because it had stronger characters and better drama. Compared to Rey and friends, Jyn was a bit of a non-entity.
The final battle sequence more than made up for a slow first half. I was impressed at how well they juggled all the different moving pieces. Felt more consequential than the TFA space battle scenes, which seemed like an afterthought.
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Sunday, 18 December 2016 21:29 (seven years ago) link
Definitely. The thing that kept me in during that long battle is that there was a lot that was actually going on.
― how's life, Sunday, 18 December 2016 21:40 (seven years ago) link
Ahhh I loved this so much also holy fuck they killed everyone :D
Jimmy Smits as Leia's Dad was fucking BOSS casting.
Mr Veg said final battle & ragtag rebel crew reminded him of Where Eagles Dare, which was kinda otm. Def had that all or nothing feel.
Imperial architects/builders need a fucking talking to. that fucking communications tower setup jfc"So the archive is a remote controlled setup like dave & busters claw game inside the tower. you transmit at the very top of the tower *outside* . and you control the angle of the satellite dish by walking out onto a gangplank to another control panel. Cool? Cool."
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 18 December 2016 22:07 (seven years ago) link
you know he was in the prequels right
― Number None, Sunday, 18 December 2016 22:13 (seven years ago) link
forgive me if my memory of those boring garbagefires is faulty
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 18 December 2016 22:14 (seven years ago) link
Ben Mendelsohn was excellent btw ... I've been crazy in love with him since he was in The Henderson Kids way back in '85
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 18 December 2016 22:22 (seven years ago) link
I think that gang plank antenna switch was a bullshit filler thing the screenwriters stuck in there because they wanted a scene where Jyn is away from the transmit switch for Kennick to confront her, and couldn't figure out how to do it.
Similarly, the multiple repeated switches and mini-objectives bugged me as some incremental video game-plotting. "First hit this beach switch to tell them we're going to transmit THEN drag this cable back THEN plug it in and hit a comm switch THEN plug in the tapes THEN hit another transmit switch oops your shit is misaligned? Somehow? so THEN make your way out to another switch THEN return to the transmit switch"
I mean, if you wanna do a heavy step-by-step focused heist like you're in a process film, go right ahead, but I don't think it works in the midst of a protracted massive land/sea/air battle sequence.
On a related note, one of the credited screenwriters is an ex-games journo.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Sunday, 18 December 2016 22:30 (seven years ago) link
idk i wasn't mad at it, just laughing more as an in-universe thing like how pissed off you would be if you actualky worked there
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 18 December 2016 22:36 (seven years ago) link
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl)
WHAT
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 December 2016 22:53 (seven years ago) link
it's a tv show
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 18 December 2016 22:55 (seven years ago) link
Nah, if you actually worked there you'd be like "Being a dish controller is an important job. They should definitely not put the dish controls next to the transmission controls and have just one guy do both, because you need to be focused, and it's really hard to tell exactly where the dish is pointing if you're standing directly underneath it. My work is important and I am valued by my community."
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Sunday, 18 December 2016 22:57 (seven years ago) link
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 18 December 2016 23:01 (seven years ago) link
Veg, I thought you meant he was in the movie. I was wondering how I'd missed him.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 December 2016 23:10 (seven years ago) link
he was! He was Krennic!
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 18 December 2016 23:17 (seven years ago) link
Wait a minute, I've been calling him Krandall!
― Number None, Sunday, 18 December 2016 23:29 (seven years ago) link
Krennic
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 18 December 2016 23:39 (seven years ago) link
Krampus
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Monday, 19 December 2016 00:02 (seven years ago) link
the vibe seems to be that for 'character' TFA was king but for 'action' this was better and i concur.
― piscesx, Monday, 19 December 2016 00:04 (seven years ago) link
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-12-18/the-unseen-star-wars-archive-footage-used-in-rogue-one
Edwards & crew found some un-scanned film cans at ILM while wandering about the archives, decided to incorporate them.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Monday, 19 December 2016 00:06 (seven years ago) link
wonder why Jyn's 'it's a rebellion.. i rebel' line was nixed in the end?! this may be the most memorable bit of dialogue ever cut from a film after the release of the trailer.
― piscesx, Monday, 19 December 2016 00:06 (seven years ago) link
Chuck D threatened to sue
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Monday, 19 December 2016 00:07 (seven years ago) link
Some informed speculation on the missing footage herehttp://screenrant.com/star-wars-rogue-one-reshoots-changes/
― Number None, Monday, 19 December 2016 00:11 (seven years ago) link
this is great
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-12-18/11-of-the-best-star-wars-easter-eggs-in-rogue-one
― piscesx, Monday, 19 December 2016 00:12 (seven years ago) link
that line was terrible and i'm glad it was cut
jyn's character seems to have been reworked heavily in the reshoots/edits
― Nhex, Monday, 19 December 2016 00:12 (seven years ago) link
yeah that screen rant piece looks good, trailer 1 is made *almost entirely* of unused footage supposedly.
― piscesx, Monday, 19 December 2016 00:13 (seven years ago) link
wow they actually inserted unused ANH footage for those pilots? couldn't tell at all
― Nhex, Monday, 19 December 2016 00:14 (seven years ago) link
v cool
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 December 2016 00:21 (seven years ago) link
I recognized the actors, but just thought they re-scanned actual footage from the film, not unused stuff. Like with the cut scenes that got released on the blu rays, I'm obsessed with seeing original unreleashed film, having viewed these movies over and over again for decades growing up.
Also, is one of the differences between Rebel & Imperial visual is Rebel guys have facial hair, and Imperials(almost always) do not? (They all have big sideburns, tho)
This stood out to me seeing the promo shot of clearly unshaven Diego Luna in officer's uniform. Youda thunk he was gunna get bitched-out for that by some superior, same way Indy does in the submarine pen scene in Raiders.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Monday, 19 December 2016 00:27 (seven years ago) link
hah, i had a similar thought when I saw Luna in the uniform during the film... doesn't anyone notice he's like the only officer with a 5 o'clock shadow?
― Nhex, Monday, 19 December 2016 00:32 (seven years ago) link
ha yeah me too re the re-scanned footage, just assumed it was pre-shot Cushing footage because you know They Can Do Anything These Days.
― piscesx, Monday, 19 December 2016 00:44 (seven years ago) link
Do you think when George Lucas saw this and a couple characters were referred to as "guardians of the whills" that he shit his pants
― mh 😏, Monday, 19 December 2016 01:15 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, and "Kyber Crystals" tossed around
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Monday, 19 December 2016 02:18 (seven years ago) link
and "the senate"
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 December 2016 02:22 (seven years ago) link
hey buddy this version of the senate is the one that gets dissolved in the 1977 film, none of that actual democratic stuff
― mh 😏, Monday, 19 December 2016 03:04 (seven years ago) link
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 December 2016 03:19 (seven years ago) link
https://youtu.be/3HRiRy-gooo
here is the cast acting like goofballs with your buddy Ben doing good Star Wars nerd work
― mh 😏, Monday, 19 December 2016 03:26 (seven years ago) link
Why does Darth Vader live in Mordor?
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Monday, 19 December 2016 04:14 (seven years ago) link
Castle sold for cheap after Sauron bailed
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 19 December 2016 04:37 (seven years ago) link
ok that was p fun
<3 u Ben
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 December 2016 04:38 (seven years ago) link
Vader's base being on the planet where his worst enemy, that traitor Kenobi, diced him up for bbq
― mh 😏, Monday, 19 December 2016 04:43 (seven years ago) link
Well to be fair cultivating and drawing upon feelings of anger and revenge are part of what the Sith do, so Vader building a castle near the site where he suffered the defeat that made him who he is makes a kind of sense
― Fiddle Catstro (latebloomer), Monday, 19 December 2016 06:41 (seven years ago) link
Also it just looks cool
― Fiddle Catstro (latebloomer), Monday, 19 December 2016 06:43 (seven years ago) link
http://m.ign.com/articles/2016/12/17/rogue-one-whatas-the-deal-with-darth-vaderas-castle
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Monday, 19 December 2016 07:15 (seven years ago) link
pretty much!
― orifex, Monday, 19 December 2016 07:45 (seven years ago) link
best thing abt this movie is how much it enhances the viewing of ANH, imo - eg there are new layers to every bit of dialogue spoken by Imperial officers. And Vader seems even more menacing in the first few scenes now that you know exactly how pissed off he was.
Exhibit A on how to make a prequel, basically.
― Roz, Monday, 19 December 2016 09:59 (seven years ago) link
they have to do a stand alone that fits between ANH and ESB next.
― piscesx, Monday, 19 December 2016 11:01 (seven years ago) link
.. on Hoth.
That's one of the few non-film periods that's covered by the new canon, so I wouldn't hold your breath.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 19 December 2016 11:11 (seven years ago) link
Totally didn't realize that Riz Ahmed was Jake Gyllenhaal's poor doomed assistant in Nightcrawler.
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Monday, 19 December 2016 14:08 (seven years ago) link
also the star of HBO's The Night Of
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Monday, 19 December 2016 14:20 (seven years ago) link
yeah "poor doomed" is a pretty accurate modifier for every Riz Ahmed character going back to Four Lions
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Monday, 19 December 2016 14:35 (seven years ago) link
otm. This was a movie made by someone who obviously loves Star Wars, and had the facility to make this story seem authentic, and completely a part of he existing SW universe. And yet also somehow not seem retro and fan-fiction-ish. Pretty amazing, really.
Did you guys read the bits about Disney supposedly wanting to downplay this movie? Still not sure what to make of that, if true.
― Dominique, Monday, 19 December 2016 14:52 (seven years ago) link
so you're going to make a bunch of new characters and we can't put them in infinitely more pieces of side media because they all die? what the heck!
― mh 😏, Monday, 19 December 2016 15:02 (seven years ago) link
I bet at least one of them will turn up in the Han Solo movie
― Number None, Monday, 19 December 2016 15:03 (seven years ago) link
kind of curious how they're going to shoehorn in r2d2
― mh 😏, Monday, 19 December 2016 15:08 (seven years ago) link
I was actually thinking they could try to make a movie of what happens during the time Jyn is with Saw Gerrera -- but yeah, maybe they were just pissed it couldn't be built upon. Too bad, I rank it as the best SW movie since Jedi (which is how RYM has it at the moment too).
― Dominique, Monday, 19 December 2016 15:08 (seven years ago) link
Saw yesterday that they're bringing Saw Gerrera onto SW Rebels, so that at least will be cool. That'll be three different media he's shown up in -- Clone Wars, Rogue One and Rebels.
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Monday, 19 December 2016 15:10 (seven years ago) link
best thing abt this movie is how much it enhances the viewing of ANH, imo
Agree with this, much more than I expected. It's a proper prequel, not adding unnecessary mythology, but expanding and enriching the story as we know/knew it.
(The Dracula's Castle bit was pretty silly, I admit. I think people on volcanic Vader duty got the short end of the stick compared to the troopers stationed in the Maldives.)
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 December 2016 15:22 (seven years ago) link
i like the idea that vader has a bachelor pad on the planet where his best friend and mentor cut his limbs off and set him on fire. it's metal as fuck imo
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 19 December 2016 15:25 (seven years ago) link
nice parallel to Kylo Ren's Vader shrine too. Dark side dudes are basically just eternally sulky teenagers
― Number None, Monday, 19 December 2016 15:29 (seven years ago) link
yeah if there's any place kylo ren is going to try to hang out if he gets a chance, it's grandpa's super metal volcano pad
― mh 😏, Monday, 19 December 2016 15:36 (seven years ago) link
Saw Gerrera
please tell me this is not an actual character name
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 December 2016 15:37 (seven years ago) link
that is forest whitaker's character's name. so sorry.
― mh 😏, Monday, 19 December 2016 15:38 (seven years ago) link
Better Call Saw
in theatres December 2020
― Number None, Monday, 19 December 2016 15:40 (seven years ago) link
"Quick, get me a rebel character name that sounds like Che Guavera!""How about ... Saw Gerrera?""Perfect!"
Vader Castle totally likehttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/52/Luminiferous.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 December 2016 15:40 (seven years ago) link
Saw Luzah
― nashwan, Monday, 19 December 2016 15:41 (seven years ago) link
Watch Dominguez
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 December 2016 15:42 (seven years ago) link
ball-peen lopez
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 19 December 2016 15:43 (seven years ago) link
Emo Kylo Ren @KyloR3n Dec 16there is nothing worse than when you are watching a stirring tribute to young Darth Vader and then someone has photoshopped in your mom
there is nothing worse than when you are watching a stirring tribute to young Darth Vader and then someone has photoshopped in your mom
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Monday, 19 December 2016 15:50 (seven years ago) link
eternally sulky teenagers
know your audience
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 December 2016 15:55 (seven years ago) link
We can't all be Captain Sunshine like you.
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Monday, 19 December 2016 16:06 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc2kFk5M9x4
some fair points.
― piscesx, Monday, 19 December 2016 18:40 (seven years ago) link
They manage to refer to the non-Anglo characters not by their real names or character names but as "Guy McAccent" and "two Chinese guys." Outstanding.
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Monday, 19 December 2016 19:06 (seven years ago) link
i thought this was a fun star wars movie :)
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 19 December 2016 19:11 (seven years ago) link
I disagree with their premise. I thought this one succeeded specifically *because* of all the connections to A New Hope. Whereas The Force Awakens felt redundant, because it *was* A New Hope.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 December 2016 19:27 (seven years ago) link
another, newer hope
― mh 😏, Monday, 19 December 2016 19:29 (seven years ago) link
I liked this more than they did, but I generally agree with their points. I don't agree though that this proves that you can't try something new with Star Wars films.
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Monday, 19 December 2016 19:31 (seven years ago) link
In general I like those guys, or their observations, but I think they were pretty inconsistent about what was good and bad based on whether it was new or redundant. Because this takes place literally right before A New Hope, of course there is going to be a ton of familiar stuff. Lack of Vader, or Cushing, or even R2D2/C3PO/Leah would be conspicuous, as would lack of giant laser ships and Death Star, etc. I do agree they could have done more with characters, given them some more depth, but I'm not sure how much depth Luke or Han or Leah had to begin with, they're just iconic roles reenforced by decades of fandom (in the proud tradition of b-movies). But, like, neither Fisher nor Hamill were particularly charismatic or good actors. They're carried by Ford, who *is* charismatic and a good (especially comedic) actor.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 December 2016 19:40 (seven years ago) link
Lack of Vader, or Cushing, or even R2D2/C3PO/Leah would be conspicuous
Yes yes and no (also, Leia) - they could definitely have skipped the last section, but I don't think it shits on the rest of the film or anything.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 19 December 2016 19:49 (seven years ago) link
my wife & i were talking about carrie fisher and how it's weird she's such a funny and charismatic person irl but she somehow loses that when the camera turns on
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 19 December 2016 19:50 (seven years ago) link
Surgery has not helped with facial expressions, I'm sorry to say.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 December 2016 19:51 (seven years ago) link
they certainly didn't need to show Leia's face and Cushing could have appeared (briefly) by hologram or whatever. They were just too proud of the tech
― Number None, Monday, 19 December 2016 19:52 (seven years ago) link
xpost Yeah, I agree with that. They didn't need the latter, but it didn't exactly hurt things. It felt less like fan service than, I dunno, the two grouchy cantina creatures.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 December 2016 19:54 (seven years ago) link
xposts but that's how Leia the character is written. She's written to be somewhat serious-minded, a leader, and she plays that well!
irl carrie fisher would not be quite so believable as a leader of rebellion forces
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 December 2016 19:56 (seven years ago) link
in the ESB commentary track she kids herself over having to memorize that Hoth speech about the ion cannon
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 December 2016 19:58 (seven years ago) link
i think it shows how good an actor she is that she's NOT carrie fisher, and that she can turn George's robocharacter into a likeable hero
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 December 2016 20:00 (seven years ago) link
― Number None, Monday, December 19, 2016 1:52 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^^
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 19 December 2016 20:02 (seven years ago) link
yeah at first I thought they were just going to show Tarkin only from behind and his face reflected on the window in that first scene. That would have avoided the uncanny valley issues, I think.
― silverfish, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:07 (seven years ago) link
Need to watch this again to see how they hold up, as I just didn't get annoyed by Tarkin or Leia at all.
― Dominique, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:08 (seven years ago) link
Might be interesting to see a side by side comparison with young Jeff Bridges in Tron legacy - I got the sense photo-realism CG hasn't really improved between the two films but then there were reshoots to contend with and you get a lot more of Moff than Jeff (I thought CGI Jeff looked pretty impressive/a bit more convincing at the time though).
― nashwan, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:14 (seven years ago) link
I guess some people are less affected by this stuff than others. A coworker who saw this didn't even notice they were CGI and assumed they just used similar looking actors (she didn't watch the original star wars dozens of times as a kid like I did though, and only has a somewhat vague recollection of what those characters look like)
I imagine they are going to go back and redo the cgi Tarkin and Leia several times in the future so that in the special editions released in 10-15 years time it will probably look pretty much perfect.
― silverfish, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:15 (seven years ago) link
Marvel have done the de-aging thing in a couple of their movies. It's a bit more convincing
― Number None, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:15 (seven years ago) link
I mean, I certainly knew they were CGI, and given that, looked amazingly good. I also knew a lot of the shots of x-wings were CGI, and for some reason, was less impressed. I hadn't read much about this movie before I saw, so I big part of my enjoyment had to do with not knowing they were coming.
― Dominique, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:16 (seven years ago) link
a
― Dominique, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:17 (seven years ago) link
I am going to bring my 8 year old son to see this sometime in the next week and am going to ask him what he thinks of the CGI characters. I suspect he will not notice or be bothered by it at all.
― silverfish, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:25 (seven years ago) link
May or may not have mentioned it, but my nine-year-old had no idea how they made Princess Leia young again. And didn't even notice the CGI Cushing at all. But then, she had no idea the actor was dead. Knowing that going in makes it hard to fully believe, no matter how good the effects.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:30 (seven years ago) link
like I'm going to listen to opinions on a Star Wars movie from a bunch of kids
― Number None, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:32 (seven years ago) link
For what it is worth, every time I watch older movies with my kids I make sure to stress how they were done without any computer effects at all. Just practical effects, or stunts, or models, or elaborate sets or paintings. Because otherwise they just assumed everything was done with computers, even black and white movies from the 1930s and 1940s. Because that's all they have known.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:32 (seven years ago) link
do your kids like the originals Josh?
― Dominique, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:33 (seven years ago) link
Really Leia's CGI, I noticed it for the brief time she was on screen. However, I watch some clips of Ingvild Deila today and the one thing that had stood out to me during Rogue One - her teeth - belong to the actress. She also has a very similar face shape to ANH Fisher. I'm just not sure how much retouching she had.
― how's life, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:38 (seven years ago) link
i mean, the cgi was *weird*, but it didnt like ruin the movie for me or anything.
there was way more weird-face cgi in the first Captain America movie when they did bizarro scrawny Steve, and I still like and watch that movie
it doesnt upset the movie & the characters being there makes sense, it's not that big of a deal imo
unless doll-eyed tarkin gives you nightmares idk ymmv
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 December 2016 21:44 (seven years ago) link
or erotic dreams
― Neanderthal, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:46 (seven years ago) link
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 December 2016 21:51 (seven years ago) link
xpost My kids liked the originals to some extent, mostly New Hope/Jedi. I don't think they liked Empire as much. They never saw the prequels, have never asked to see them, and may not know they exist. They really didn't care for Force Awakens, to the extent that my younger daughter who saw the new one with me noted she had not seen any Star Wars movies since Force Awakens, which was a year ago.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:56 (seven years ago) link
After a conversation this evening, I'm curious as to whether there's correlation between being put off by CGI Cushing vs knowing about it beforehand. I'd not heard of it, and thought it was fine (though in fairness there were a few shots where the verisimilitude flickered I thought "I've enjoyed video games with entirely CGI characters, this is good").
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 00:13 (seven years ago) link
i hadn't heard anything about it and it was v noticeable/off-putting when it cropped up
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 02:58 (seven years ago) link
also a determining facror: were one or both of yr parents killed by cgi
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 04:31 (seven years ago) link
saw a third time tonight....regarding the stolen Imperial ship, I was trying to figure out when they acquired it, cos originally they were in their own Rebel ship that they crashed, they're all told to stay put, and after they disobey K-2SO actually says "where are they going? we're leaving if Cassian comes back before them", suggesting they're going to leave in the now damaged ship. and then at the end of the scene, they're picking Jyn and Cassian up in a stolen Imperial ship.
obv had to have happened off-screen, perhaps w/ Bodhi helping K-2SO find one, just was a lil weird.
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 04:39 (seven years ago) link
Dude are we going to have to send you back a fourth time
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 04:45 (seven years ago) link
The U-wing is toast on Eadu. They steal the Imperial cargo shuttle from Eadu to get to Yavin.
Jesus
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 04:47 (seven years ago) link
lol I know that silly - I meant, K2SO is chilling in the damaged U-Wing waiting for everybody to come back after he gets ditched, the firefight ensues and he's radioing the Rebels, and suddenly 2 minutes later they have an Imperial shuttle.
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 04:52 (seven years ago) link
it was bodhi's shuttle that he traveled on to bring Galen's message I thought? Idk
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 05:33 (seven years ago) link
This was terrific. Not much to add except that so much of the rebel hair and mustaches were right out of the 70s.
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 08:10 (seven years ago) link
You should see how hairy they are under their suits.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 12:41 (seven years ago) link
I was looking forward to seeing Riz Ahmed in this, but, like so many others in this film, his character was severely underdeveloped and lacking any spark. I was happy enough with the film I got, but Gareth Edwards' original cut - the movie that was promised in the early trailers and marketing, before the drastic amount of reshoots with another director - will always hang over the film for me.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 15:55 (seven years ago) link
yeah, I hope they release some version of the original cut at some point. So many underdeveloped characters and plot threads in the beginning of this movie, which I assume are the result of the reshoots.
― silverfish, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 16:01 (seven years ago) link
given that disney like to squeeze as much profit from their home video releases as possible, i suspect they'll release a standard dvd/blu-ray first and then a few months down the line a 'collector's edition' with a bunch of deleted scenes and a heavily-sanitised bonus feature about how the film was 'reshaped to better fit the director's vision'
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 16:04 (seven years ago) link
imo they should craft the leftovers into a "Rogue One Holiday Special"
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 16:13 (seven years ago) link
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/thank-god-rogue-one-made-darth-vader-a-proper-villain-1790293655
Now, scrap that stupid Boba Fett one-off and gimme Young Vader Murders A Lot Of People: A Star Wars Story.
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:06 (seven years ago) link
a friend of mine who's old boss heard about the original cut said the studio was upset it was 'too art house' which is weird because why hire edwards to direct in the first place?
they also said forest whittaker's performance was hot garbage and the studio was not happy with it
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:13 (seven years ago) link
he analyzes every line in the script and invents an accent to best present that lineso it's a different accent and inflection every line
also idk that godzilla film wasn't really "art house"
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:17 (seven years ago) link
i hope that's not some sort of codephrase for "good cinematography and lots of martial arts"
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:18 (seven years ago) link
lol 'performance' as reciting Joseph Campbell fortune cookies.
about the best you can hope for is sassy jokesmanship a la Ford in STAR WARS or O Isaac in EPIGRAM VII.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:37 (seven years ago) link
Young Vader Murders A Lot Of People: A Star Wars Story.
Didn't we get this already?
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130208034628/starwars/images/8/8b/ChildrenSlaughter.png
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 21:24 (seven years ago) link
that picture doesn't look like anything
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 21:31 (seven years ago) link
I am pretty sure it is Young Darth Vader about to murder a bunch of kids.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 21:42 (seven years ago) link
*stares at picture* I don't understand, what am I supposed to see?
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 21:43 (seven years ago) link
Just now recalling that the prequels called Jedi kids "younglings".
― Roz, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 21:55 (seven years ago) link
yeah i'm just going to stick to my westworld robot routine here
i'm not programmed to accept the existence of anything other than three star wars movies from the 70s/80s, a couple new ones, and a cartoon
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 21:57 (seven years ago) link
and the Richard Pryor sketch
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 22:07 (seven years ago) link
Lucas clearly killed a few too many of these when writing the prequel scripts:
http://www.yuengling.com/userfiles/image/n_newlook_prem_lgt.jpeg
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 22:14 (seven years ago) link
yousa in deep doodoo
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 22:16 (seven years ago) link
Yeah seriously lol at the idea that Edwards was too arthouse. There are loads of cool shots that didn't end up in the movie (and I particularly mourn the Tie Fighter one) but the idea we would have gotten some sort of deconstruction of the futility of war is laughable. Guy's a hack with an occasional good eye
― Number None, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 22:25 (seven years ago) link
"too arthouse" = fucking BORING like Monsters was
anyone fetishizing his original cut is pretending not to remember how his other movies were basically fuckin mood studies that happened to have cool monsters in them. reshoots likely made this movie better vs worse imo
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 22:25 (seven years ago) link
The last bad thing about Monsters and Godzilla is that they're "hacky." Both are slow and pretty and like them or hate them the opposite of hacky in the Hollywood sense.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 22:33 (seven years ago) link
yeah the "real gritty war movie" makes me think people are thinking of the director of the other famously reshot movie this year
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 22:34 (seven years ago) link
Abrams = "hacky" before Edwards any day.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 22:57 (seven years ago) link
I never got Forest Whittaker. Not in "Bird", "Ghost Dog"... nope. Never got his schtick and why people ate it up. When a CGI Peter Cushing can act circles around you in the same film then you know it's curtains..
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 23:00 (seven years ago) link
well he's got a head start
― Number None, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 23:16 (seven years ago) link
Abrams is the very definition of a hack.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 23:22 (seven years ago) link
so sayeth the internet message board
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 23:27 (seven years ago) link
Edwards might be a hack on day. He hasn't even really reached that level yet
― Number None, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 23:28 (seven years ago) link
Michael Bay is a hack. Abrams is a number of levels (maybe just 1) above Michael Bay.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 23:29 (seven years ago) link
I really liked Monsters.
― how's life, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 23:55 (seven years ago) link
i liked the monsters & it was beautifully shot. but it was boring af
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 00:03 (seven years ago) link
sorry, vg, but you are mad
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 00:42 (seven years ago) link
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, December 20, 2016 3:13 PM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, December 20, 2016 3:37 PM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
forest really does create a new strain of bad star wars performance in this though
― slam dunk, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 03:17 (seven years ago) link
ARE. YOU. HERE...TO KILL...ME?
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 03:41 (seven years ago) link
I reiterate my theory
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 03:55 (seven years ago) link
oddly there is a preview of his upcoming appearance on the cartoon and the dialogue seems pretty normal
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 03:56 (seven years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, December 20, 2016 1:22 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm. it's not even a value judgment really. a hack is a guy who makes both a star wars movie and a star trek movie and both times does the most professional job in years. michael bay unfortunately is a kind of auteur.
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 04:18 (seven years ago) link
huh wow this was... something. very very expensive and well-made fanfic is right - it's great to look at and if force awakens hadn't already come out i would probably have just been delighted to be in the star wars universe looking at a well-shot, reasonably well-performed star wars movie, with star wars props and costumes and some new locales and slight extensions of the mythos, with a basically interesting plot about a desperate slim-to-no-hope mission for a ragtag squad. but since TFA does exist, that wonder-glow is diminished and what we have is a pretty fun but very pointless in-universe war movie with some SERIOUS shot-to-shot pacing issues, endless cheap narrative devices to gin up tension when the story's not doing it, a band of barely sketched-out characters whose fates are supposed to mean a lot to us (though they're all likeable and look super cool), at least three or four Mary Sues and a couple of baaaaad speeches. actually the script overall is terrible. there's one line where the former shuttle pilot guy (who i thought was going to be insane because of a brain slug?) is like, tripping over himself trying to explain that they need to connect something to something so they can get a manual signal out from somewhere and it is just a hilariously distracting line.
really though it's just so fuckin' jumpy for the first half! i swear that in the first ten minutes there are four different "meanwhile, on THIS planet..." shots. maybe five. i guess they got embarrassed about that because vader's evil barad-dur lava planet doesn't get one. for a long time nothing feels like it builds up, scenes have no sense of timing or rhythm, lines aren't allowed to breathe. some things work, to be clear, but other things don't. vader's first scene is wayyyy less tense than it should be and i think this is why. (also yeah jones's voice, but the dude is 85 so i'm cool with him still doing star wars movies.)
re: the missing material: forest whitaker's character in particular seems to have been gutted by this, though felicity jones isn't much better served. whitaker gets so built up and then has virtually no interactions with the main cast. it's a cool idea for a character though. i wonder what the heck an "extremist" in this rebellion looks like. does he stage terrorist attacks on imperial civilian populations or what? our heroes end up being a bunch of freedom-fighter saboteurs and assassins, right? is it just that he is willing to use the terrible octobrain in his interrogations? a step too far for mon mothma.
i slapped my forehead and rolled my eyes at many things, especially the callback-y bits (leia and pig-nose guy were REALLY not necessary - classic case of something that's not there to serve anything that this movie is trying to do, i suspect disney is really pushing for this stuff because it leverages brand equity or optimizes universe loyalty or something). jimmy smits showing up just made me laugh though.
CGI peter cushing was semi-okay in some shots but when he first showed up it was distractingly awful. getting close to polar express/spirits within level. whyyyy. like if there's ONE series that should have learned its lesson about the limitations of digitally created characters...
i did like the overall vibe in the last act though, it's your old star wars crosscutting climaxes thing but they're all tied together around one mission. i was also reminded very much of one of my favorite 90s superhero comics, the age of apocalypse version of generation x, which admittedly went a little doomier with the same kind of material but still. dirty dozen is probably the source though, yeah.
overall it's fine but kinda disappointing because it gets so close to being really great.
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 05:10 (seven years ago) link
to put it more briefly, it's like what if the prequels had been well-cast and not all flat CG and featured enjoyable performances that were shot in a non-boring way with gripping action sequences... but were still basically pointless noodling around within the star wars playset, with no particular reason to exist. i dunno that makes it sound worse than it was.
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 05:29 (seven years ago) link
really though it's just so fuckin' jumpy for the first half! i swear that in the first ten minutes there are four different "meanwhile, on THIS planet..." shots
This bothered me.
I thought this was closer to the ephemeral nature of Lucas' beloved Saturday afternoon zombie flicks or whatever: take a buncha boring archetypes played by second tier actors (except Diego Luna, who looks delicious) and cast them in a decent fan flick. I don't often flip for special effects, but the CGI stuff was some of the most thrilling (the Star Destroyers colliding) and beautiful (the Death Star coming out of hyperspace and seen peeking out of clouds) I've ever seen.
Vader's appearance in the final five minutes was surprisingly violent and quite satisfying -- dramatic and otherwise.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 05:42 (seven years ago) link
The weird ethnic casting bothered me a bit, i.e. "Let's cast actors who look like the citizens of countries from which we want to extract mega profits!"
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 05:44 (seven years ago) link
Forest Whitaker is as terrible as Natalie Portman
http://jalopnik.com/lets-geek-out-over-all-the-fascinating-technology-used-1790293003
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 13:14 (seven years ago) link
Surprised nobody gets the no-network design principle that explains most of the silliness
Instead of putting a password on the file they just rack the tape up in a hard-to-get-to room that you can fall a long way down in
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 13:17 (seven years ago) link
Oh also, could NONE of the grizzled old saboteurs have been women? Or any of the main cast besides Jyn? The X-wing pilot was great to see but otherwise the gender balance in this movie is reeeeeally bad.
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 15:02 (seven years ago) link
It's a good thing the Empire had land lines!
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 15:04 (seven years ago) link
Reach out and DEATH someone
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 15:06 (seven years ago) link
All the women we see that aren't combat pilots are bosses though
I didn't notice if many of the other people in Saw's cabal were human
The brain squid was probably a lady
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 15:06 (seven years ago) link
finally, a breakthrough for the representation of lady brain squids in cinema
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 15:11 (seven years ago) link
TOMBOT'S original post:
Felicity JonesMads MikkelsenBen MendelsohnAlan TudykDonnie YenForest WhitakerDiego Luna
these already look like Star Wars character names.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 15:21 (seven years ago) link
takes one to know one
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 15:35 (seven years ago) link
General Soto to you, deck officer
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 15:37 (seven years ago) link
The Irishman, Robert De Niro’s highly anticipated reunion with Martin Scorsese, will be receiving an added dash of nostalgia, according to producer Gaston Pavlovich. In an interview with Cinema Blend’s Gregory Wakeman, Pavlovich confirmed that Scorsese’s in-development project will employ the CGI technology recently used to recreate the late Peter Cushing's character Grand Moff Tarkin in Rogue One, in order to de-age De Niro for certain segments of the movie. The goal is to have him look as he did back in his “The Godfather 2 days.”"You don’t use prosthetics, make-up, they have acting and the technology is able to have them go through different time ages without the prosthetics,” Pavlovich told Wakeman. “We were able to film Bob and just do a scene, and we saw it come down to when he was like 20, 40, 60, so we’re looking forward to that, from that point of view, for The Irishman.”The movie, which also has Al Pacino (and, maybe, Joe Pesci) attached to star, is a crime drama centered on Frank Sheeran, the man who—on his deathbed—claimed to have murdered Jimmy Hoffa. The film is based on the Charles Brandt novel I Heard You Paint Houses, and—not unlike many other Scorsese projects—has been in the works for a while, with Deadline first reporting the casting of Pesci and Pacino way back in 2010. And it should be noted that it’s likely we’ll see those two actors made to look younger as well: A year ago, DeNiro revealed the technology was being tried out on “the other actors, too.”
"You don’t use prosthetics, make-up, they have acting and the technology is able to have them go through different time ages without the prosthetics,” Pavlovich told Wakeman. “We were able to film Bob and just do a scene, and we saw it come down to when he was like 20, 40, 60, so we’re looking forward to that, from that point of view, for The Irishman.”
The movie, which also has Al Pacino (and, maybe, Joe Pesci) attached to star, is a crime drama centered on Frank Sheeran, the man who—on his deathbed—claimed to have murdered Jimmy Hoffa. The film is based on the Charles Brandt novel I Heard You Paint Houses, and—not unlike many other Scorsese projects—has been in the works for a while, with Deadline first reporting the casting of Pesci and Pacino way back in 2010. And it should be noted that it’s likely we’ll see those two actors made to look younger as well: A year ago, DeNiro revealed the technology was being tried out on “the other actors, too.”
― Number None, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:11 (seven years ago) link
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/12/21/rogue-one-film-crit-hulk-the-slippery-sloping-story-of-rogue-one
How can I really care about a master switch that was introduced just two seconds prior? It's like trying to learn chemistry on the fly as you take the test. Again, none of it is "offensive" to a casual viewer; it's just so much less effective than it could be. If it had even an ounce of deeper dramatic understanding, the whole sequence could have been amazing. And in the end, this lack of clarity and stakes horrifically betrays the emotion/characterization of all the characters' sacrificing moments. To be clear, I liked the stylization of a lot of them, and even some of the mantras behind them, but because of the larger objective sequencing I can't help but feel like every single one of their sacrifices should have meant more, especially in terms of the dramatic integration of the actual heist...
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 22:08 (seven years ago) link
Grand Moff De Niro
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 22:08 (seven years ago) link
when did Film Crit Hulk drop the schtick?
― Number None, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 22:12 (seven years ago) link
After Election Day.
Really.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 22:21 (seven years ago) link
trump smash hulk
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 22:29 (seven years ago) link
so was "this is a 'stand-alone' Star Wars movie" a cover story or a hilarious joke?
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 December 2016 01:54 (seven years ago) link
is someone talking
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 22 December 2016 01:56 (seven years ago) link
I feel bad for people who went to this movie expecting some kind of female-led space opera Ocean's Dirty Dozen - oh wait I mean hang on what did people think they were going to?
harrumph, much better when this exact practice took the form of all white dudes all the time
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Thursday, 22 December 2016 02:21 (seven years ago) link
the worst Forest perf i have seen is, of course, his Oscar-winning turn as Idi Amin
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 December 2016 02:24 (seven years ago) link
i wonder what the heck an "extremist" in this rebellion looks like. does he stage terrorist attacks on imperial civilian populations or what? our heroes end up being a bunch of freedom-fighter saboteurs and assassins, right? is it just that he is willing to use the terrible octobrain in his interrogations?
IIRC, Saw has been openly assaulting the Empire's military operations for years at this point - there's a line about his outfit hitting the Kyber crystal shipments, which is apparently way too overt for the rebellion at this particular stage. That's why the debate later revolves around "talk to the Senate (more)" vs "begin blowing shit up immediately"
sarcasm aside I do genuinely feel bad when people go to a movie and come away with this feeling. I was glad to have a couple of "meh" reviews under my belt to temper my excitement going in, I think it actually helped me have a lot more fun. I even liked the joke when they put the hood on the blind guy.
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Thursday, 22 December 2016 02:30 (seven years ago) link
i haven't read many of the takes on this but i thought this was vv good. some very minor issues, but i loved its look and its variety of different worlds and settings. i didn't mind the callbacks or the CGI Cushing and Fisher. liked the nods to Red Leader and Gold Leader (but where are thou, porkins??), loved the FX, the use of crippled star destroyers to open the shield was some sweet space action, really enjoyed the cast overall. Whitaker was his usual oddball self but for a paranoid fringe lunatic character i thought it worked.
i guess the final (admittedly fantastic) space battle seemed to be a cover version of the final battle in Return of the Jedi. Multiple nods to it, which i noticed. it didn't diminish things for me. i always like seeing fish admirals fucking up the imperial fleet.
also, i suspect based on my memory of the conversation between Leia and Vader at the beginning of Ep IV that the events at the end of this film involving her don't quite line up logically w/her denials and Vader's line of questioning. I could be wrong. I had always imagined that there was a lot more subterfuge and secrecy as opposed to a huge Imperial-base destroying fight immediately preceding things. it's not a huge deal for me, it doesn't remove some of the mystery and enjoyment the way the events of eps 1-3 did.
― nomar, Thursday, 22 December 2016 02:55 (seven years ago) link
You were on a diplomatic mission? Dude, you were blowing shit up around our tropical planet base just 5 minutes ago!
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Thursday, 22 December 2016 03:13 (seven years ago) link
I explained that incongruency away in my head as the rebels basically rehashing their usual traffic stop talking points because they don't have anything better
"You just fled the scene of the first major Rebel-on-Empire space battle, and you stole the Death Star plans, and I saw you do it""I don't know what you're talking about officer this is a diplomatic vessel, we're all diplomats here""Also you just shot a bunch of my men when we came on board""Diplomatic cargo sir, diplomacy stuff, nobody here but us diplomats"
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Thursday, 22 December 2016 03:14 (seven years ago) link
i can't believe how eye-rolley people are about cg leia. my favorite five seconds of the movie.
yeah ... this does not bode well for non-prequels, imo. nor does the fact that my second-favorite scene was hallway vader. and i say this as someone who cringed often during TFA fan service.
not sure what rian has up his sleeve but it better be good, adam driver can't provide the new direction the series needs all on his own.
― 0 / 0 (lukas), Thursday, 22 December 2016 06:19 (seven years ago) link
one complaint - the way things went down it wasn't clear that riz's sacrifice meant anything. maybe it didn't? you can't tell me him plugging that cable into the little cargo ship had shit to do with the giant satellite dish uploading the plans to dropbox.
― 0 / 0 (lukas), Thursday, 22 December 2016 06:26 (seven years ago) link
Isn't that the action that allows them to talk to the fleet and say "open the shield now"?
Not that "open the shield" could be that far down the list of tactical goals.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 22 December 2016 10:03 (seven years ago) link
was Saw even necessary to the plot? That section introduced the gang but not much else. Could have cut the film by 20 minutes.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 December 2016 12:18 (seven years ago) link
I thought the fate of his character was the first gotcha. He's back on the ship, transmission sent, home free, right? Then the shore trooper chucks one right into the open door.
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Thursday, 22 December 2016 12:19 (seven years ago) link
Some weird tactical stuff going on in that beachhead cover shooter sequence. You pretty much just had dudes with rifles only blasting away at each other, right? Are grenades only allocated to whoever's playing the grenadier class on the imperial/rebel side? What's a standard trooper loadout?
That's one of the interesting bits I dig about having Wen Jiang there, as we haven't had an armored heavy weapons guy yet, correct? Chewbacca pretty much just had a semi-automatic bowcaster.
Wish they woulda spent 5 minute or something more just on characterization, as I don't even remember their names, much less identifying traits.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Thursday, 22 December 2016 12:45 (seven years ago) link
I remember all of them
*touches the face of rogue one memorial, drags finger across Blue Leader, Red Five, Chirrut Imwe, Baez Malbus, Bodhi Rook...*
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Thursday, 22 December 2016 12:50 (seven years ago) link
Body Rock.
They had to go to Saw to get the video message, right? What is not clear, and I suppose there's a whole bunch of stuff that is not clear, is what Saw was planning to do with the information. Maybe he was just extremely ... lazy.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 December 2016 12:58 (seven years ago) link
They went to Saw for help getting contact with her father. The message arriving there was just lucky timing, I think.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Thursday, 22 December 2016 13:04 (seven years ago) link
They had word that someone had gone to Saw with a message from Mads. I can't remember how on earth they heard that, but that was the idea. Saw had the message but hadn't decided what to do with it, since he thought it might be bogus. He'd at least confirmed, via the brain squid, that Vaughn Bode was not lying, but I guess after that he was like, 'shit... but that tells me nothing about whether Mads is lying, why did I even bother?' Man this is needlessly complicated though. I guess they were working extra hard to disguise the New Hope hologram-delivery business, or invert expectations or sth. On paper, ''what if Obi Wan had been a paranoid old guerilla, survivor of too many traps and assassination attempts, who tortured Luke and then refused to believe Leia?'' is maybe kinda interesting but they didn't execute it very well and just jamming it into an already crowded first act was probably not ever going to work.
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 22 December 2016 13:12 (seven years ago) link
They heard about Bodhi defecting and learned he was headed for Saw (Galen's only contact he could trust).
So the Captain is sent with Jyn to get the details from Saw so that he can find and kill Galen; because they don't understand yet what the Death Star is or that it's already complete.
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Thursday, 22 December 2016 13:14 (seven years ago) link
People all remembering how ice cold it was that Capt Andor shoots his crazy informant in his first scene but forgetting why he was there in the first place
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Thursday, 22 December 2016 13:17 (seven years ago) link
It seems like Sam's part was cut down or changed quite a bit in the reshoots
― Number None, Thursday, 22 December 2016 13:17 (seven years ago) link
Me back in April: Also does anybody else think they cast FW basically just to be the guy who says the trailer stuff? I bet you he has one scene and we just saw most of it
Well if so then the reshoots made me mostly right, therefore hooray reshoots
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Thursday, 22 December 2016 13:28 (seven years ago) link
funny that in decades of Star Wars films, the last two are the first that actually have Imperial motherfuckers defecting.
looking forward to when Kylo Ren switches teames in the next one.
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 22 December 2016 13:43 (seven years ago) link
Yeah but realistically how did the guy who told Andor come by this information? Did Bodhi go around telling all his stormtrooper buddies ''hey peace out, Mads Mikkelsen's a traitor and I have a secret message from him to Saw Ferreira?'' It's just a really contrived plot IMO.
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 22 December 2016 13:53 (seven years ago) link
You guys pining for the days of over-explanation from the Lucas prequels lol
― Nhex, Thursday, 22 December 2016 13:59 (seven years ago) link
maybe they'll make a movie explaining how the Bodhi defection information was acquired
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 22 December 2016 14:00 (seven years ago) link
Bodhi went to a trading post and started asking around about how to find Saw Gerrera. Word gets out.The dialogue explains pretty much all of this.
Here's the War is Boring review (warning: prose bad)https://warisboring.com/rogue-one-shows-us-the-dark-side-of-the-rebellion-d6aebf38bf6e#.eo75nbkc8
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Thursday, 22 December 2016 14:04 (seven years ago) link
"you guys" = not me! I got it all the first time thanks
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Thursday, 22 December 2016 14:05 (seven years ago) link
there was also an APB for Bodhi on Jedha too with his actual likeness - which made it kind of funny to me that he shows up on Skariff and nobody recognizes him when he comes on board for the inspection. but w/e, they were all ready to blast away anyway.
I still love the reaction of the derpy Imperial employee who gets asked to comb through his records:
"ALL of them?"
so Droopy-esque.
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 22 December 2016 14:07 (seven years ago) link
― Nhex, Thursday, December 22, 2016 8:59 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
nah, fuq that. much of the original trilogy wouldn't hold up to close scrutiny either, but frankly who gives a shit
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 22 December 2016 14:08 (seven years ago) link
I mean the universe-building is swiss cheese and succumbs immediately to any attack of logic, like all space opera, but the reasons why people go places and talk to other characters are all pretty well explained imo
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Thursday, 22 December 2016 14:13 (seven years ago) link
Yeah honestly the plotty stuff is only distracting to me where the story isn't working as a story (momentum, character arcs, emotional investment, tension and release). The prequels are actually Exhibit A here - it's a real fucking boring story and so virtually every scene I can find myself getting distracted by how much the minute-to-minute plotting makes no sense. Yeah, the big picture stuff is gratuitous over-explanation but that's not what I'm talking about here.
Plus, there's plenty here that I'm sure is 'explained in the dialogue' but, as with the whole master switch confusion, that's not really the problem - it's that things have been made unnecessarily complicated and the story itself has stopped working. Film Crit Hulk is OTM about the third act problems (tho IMO that was still the strongest chunk of the movie and he's way off about the first act).
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 22 December 2016 14:16 (seven years ago) link
― Neanderthal, Thursday, December 22, 2016
and blows Luke.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 December 2016 14:18 (seven years ago) link
The Force Awakens
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 22 December 2016 14:20 (seven years ago) link
I dunno, I felt like the bar is somewhere around the climactic action in Dirty Dozen / Kelly's Heroes where an ensemble is all doing different stuff in different places and it probably all makes sense to the commanding officer but pretty much nobody else, and there's always something or other that throws a wrench into the plan and requires valiant workarounds. I didn't mind. To me the shield gate + radio dish shenanigans are all of a trope, no different than having a blind guy who is superlative at all forms of combat
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Thursday, 22 December 2016 14:21 (seven years ago) link
a blind ASIAN man
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 December 2016 14:23 (seven years ago) link
Yen's character reminded me of Shaw Brothers' Crippled Avengers
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 22 December 2016 14:24 (seven years ago) link
I was annoyed not that they cast an Asian actor (there are no "Asians" in Star Wars world, anyway), but it seemed a little on the nose that they also made him a blind martial arts expert. Like, any of them could have been blind and good at fighting, they just happened to give those attributes to Donnie Yen.
I agree the reshoot stuff clearly affected Whitaker the most. Why didn't he join them on their adventures? Because that would have involved reshooting every subsequent scene. Better to just have him say "I give up."
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 December 2016 14:54 (seven years ago) link
idk I think the Hulk dude and RLM are right on this: heist/caper/mission movies have a certain structure that wasn't used here (or replaced with something else that works): you establish what everybody's trying to do, what each of their roles are in the plan, the obstacles they expect to overcome... and then the tension comes from whether they pull off those obstacles, things going wrong, they turn the corner and where they thought the door would be open, there's guards there!, or, we were counting on the blind semi-Jedi to do this but he's dead, etc. (Funnily, in The Great Escape one of the things that goes wrong is that one of their team goes blind along the way.) Here the obstacles were mostly invented on the fly - oh now we need this cable and this switch, oh there's a previously unmentioned satellite adjustment switch down the catwalk - following the logic of video game mission-padding.
Also in that sequence: I think it was a mistake to have BOTH the X-wing battle above and the squad of faceless Nam vets on the ground, because both basically have the same role: we don't really know these characters but they're doing something that supports the mission and adds a sense of desperation and doom as they all die. Having to keep cutting away to both drains time from the main cast whose heist we should be invested in. I'm spending so much time thinking about this because I think a lot of the material was THERE (and maybe ended up on the cutting room floor) so it's kind of an interesting mental recut exercise, how few things you'd really have to change for this to end up being one of the all-time heist movie greats.
My theory would be that the X-wing stuff was added (or expanded) by Disney. It forces that kind of confusing scene with the Rebels debating whether to act on this new intelligence, and it makes the least sense to the plot insert anyway. If they transmitted the Death Star plans to this whole fleet, why would the copy that Leia is transporting in A New Hope be of any particular importance? Why would people in A New Hope be surprised to discover the Death Star and its destructive power? Anyway it just "feels" wrong, as others have pointed out - it always seemed much more like the plans had been slipped out by a small covert team rather than in a giant space battle that everybody in the galaxy would know about. It's certainly a lot cooler that way.
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 22 December 2016 14:58 (seven years ago) link
It wasn't totally coherent, but this was *not* a heist movie, more like a modest race against time/point A-B-C movie, a la "Raiders of the Lost Ark." (Though obviously it's no Raiders).
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 December 2016 15:05 (seven years ago) link
Darth Vader defects in Return of the Jedi!
― silverfish, Thursday, 22 December 2016 15:09 (seven years ago) link
If they transmitted the Death Star plans to this whole fleet
only the flagship has a big enough receiver, you see. and then it has to be written to a disk. this isn't just commodity equipment we're talking about!
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Thursday, 22 December 2016 15:14 (seven years ago) link
― Nhex, Thursday, 22 December 2016 15:14 (seven years ago) link
What were they called in TFA again? Culture Club?
At least they didn't back the plans up onto multiple devices and networks. A lesson for us all.
― nashwan, Thursday, 22 December 2016 15:17 (seven years ago) link
THERE ARE NO NETWORKS IN STAR WARS
jfc
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Thursday, 22 December 2016 15:18 (seven years ago) link
So many Original Trilogy plot devices hinge on 70s-era mainframe computing, as discussed in that gloriously nerdy storage article linked earlier in this thread
― Nhex, Thursday, 22 December 2016 15:18 (seven years ago) link
Another Disneyfication problem might be this: we don't really get to see the Empire's atrocities at a vivid enough level for the characters' motivations to make sense. They blow up that city, which is obviously a horrible war crime, but c'mon, give me a T2 shot of people disintegrating, or idk have the kid that Jyn saves be playing with a doll and then the doll's horribly burnt head comes flying out of the wreckage or something. The Empire's exploiting the planet and mining its crystals? Go Temple of Doom and show us the kids getting whipped and the families impoverished by this colonial imposition, or have the guard at Saw's base talk about how his aging father had his hands cut off for publishing forbidden literature, or something.
I think this would all help make Jyn's arc make more sense: she starts out thinking her life's story is about individual survival and is grimly satisfied with that, and gradually she comes to realize that these other people's suffering is hers too, she gets her consciousness raised and she realizes she needs the Rebellion. TFA has this problem a little bit, but Finn's horror at the slaughter in the opening scene is able to stand in for a lot of this because it's so immediately human - a lot of it can just happen in the acting.
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 22 December 2016 15:28 (seven years ago) link
That evil empire stuff has already been established in the other six movies...
Though I think the alternate Jyn arc you're talking about sounds like what the movie would have been in the original, pre-re-shoots version that was hinted at in the trailers
― Nhex, Thursday, 22 December 2016 16:01 (seven years ago) link
Curious about that, because I didn't find the Jyn character particularly interesting or fleshed out. She kind of seemed to flow with whatever the plot needed her to flow with, and other than "generally rugged survivor", I'm not exactly sure what her personality is supposed to be.
― Dominique, Thursday, 22 December 2016 16:05 (seven years ago) link
the last two are the first that actually have Imperial motherfuckers defecting.
Late to responding on this thanks to being on holiday flight, but yeah, as mentioned above, Vader has a faceturn at the end of Jedi to redeem himself.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Thursday, 22 December 2016 16:35 (seven years ago) link
Minor stuff here but I loved the scene where we first see Bodhi getting delivered to SG's gang out in the desert. The aliens were weird and threatening and the sound design was just right ( loved the lumbering sloth dude) and for a second there's a musical echo of Williams' EP4 R2-meets-Jawas music. Really perfect little SW moment.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 22 December 2016 16:45 (seven years ago) link
I will say I'm glad I skipped all the later trailers, as I was pleasantly surprised and bemused that they went that big with the space fight at the end. Watching in the theater, I did have mixed feelings of excitement and almost embarrassment at how over the top self-indulgent it was. "Best fanfilm ever" really does hit pretty close to the mark.
Also, I can't recall the last time I disagreed with the RLM guys so much. I was impressed and happy to see the Gold Leader/Red Leader appearances not out of just ref-spotting, but that they figured out a way to scan and integrate footage from ANH into something filmed four decades later, and do so in a clever way.
I do agree that a Donnie Yen/Wen Jiang buddy adventure movie would be awesome, too.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Thursday, 22 December 2016 16:51 (seven years ago) link
I like how the dude with two tubes on his mask really was named "Two Tubes" like this was some Goodfellas shit or something.
http://i.onionstatic.com/avclub/5892/33/16x9/1200.jpg
Didn't somebody really similar-looking show up in the Jakku marketplace in TFA?
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Thursday, 22 December 2016 16:55 (seven years ago) link
so long as they can the "I am the Force" twaddle
xpost
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 December 2016 16:56 (seven years ago) link
Or pay it off
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Thursday, 22 December 2016 16:57 (seven years ago) link
Hey which one of you moonlights at io9
http://io9.gizmodo.com/i-have-problems-with-rogue-one-1790413691
I may choose to refute this article later, at some length
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Friday, 23 December 2016 00:31 (seven years ago) link
The moral of the story is that meter data can take perilously long to download. Make sure to test your internet speed before embarking on suicide missions.
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Friday, 23 December 2016 00:42 (seven years ago) link
Then a high-ranking Rebel officer orders him to assassinate Jyn’s father Galen, even though the complete destruction of Jedha City is all the proof they need that Galen’s work is done and the Death Star is up and running—killing him will achieve nothing. Why?
This order came prior to the destruction of Jedha City, and the officer clearly indicates it's also to prevent him from continuing to supply savage weapons of this type to the Empire, operational or not.
More gallingly, when Jyn and Cassian tell the Alliance about the dangers of the Death Star, and that they need to stage an assault on Scarif, the Rebels decide to sit this battle out, at least in part because Jyn is a “criminal.”
Gahh, it's not because she's a criminal, it's because she's a criminal they've known all of ten minutes who largely has been acting out of self-interest to that point to avoid reincarceration, whose father built the fucking Death Star! gee can't think why they might not want to go to Scarif based solely on her word with no empirical evidence whatsoever other than a hologram that only she saw.
Narratively, what’s the point?
story gains more gravitas when a lone rogue ship begins an unsanctioned assault that quickly gains momentum and inspires the rest of the Rebels to join in. it doesn't have to WORK for you personally but lord it's not hard to understand.
Sure, the Star Wars movies have never been strangers to killing characters, but Rogue One’s dedication to watching its characters die is relentless, and usually to no great advancement of the plot.
sure, except if they hadn't, you'd be saying "gee what kind of continuity horseshit is this, if Jyn and Bodhi, and Baze and everybody survived the assault, how come they don't appear in A New Hope! What, did they get pensions and retire immediately after?". and ffs how many appendages get severed in the original and prequel trilogies? visually, most of these deaths were of the innocent old school Star Wars type, bloodless, etc - other than the one headshot Baze takes. AFA is the one that actually had blood!
Most egregious is the death of Saw Gerrera, who allows himself to be vaporized for no good reason.
he's an old crumbling warlord who is practically almost dead to begin with and his home is being destroyed, gee can't think of why he might be ok just peacing out
― Neanderthal, Friday, 23 December 2016 01:09 (seven years ago) link
I mean jesus, while Forrest is chewing scenery he even says "There's not much of me left" right before he sucks oxygen out of a machine
― Neanderthal, Friday, 23 December 2016 01:12 (seven years ago) link
fwiw I assumed that was painkillers he was sucking out of that thing, not a breathing apparatus
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Friday, 23 December 2016 01:23 (seven years ago) link
(would also help explain the speech pathology, perhaps)
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Friday, 23 December 2016 01:24 (seven years ago) link
possibly painkillers. either way I'd have thought article writer might have surmised through his frailty and the obviousness of his lines that dude who probably can't take a crap without a machine might be ok getting Kevorkianed once Jedha City blows up.
― Neanderthal, Friday, 23 December 2016 01:26 (seven years ago) link
btw very good job fisking all his sad arguments, could not have done it better, I will be your wingman any time
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Friday, 23 December 2016 01:30 (seven years ago) link
I did enjoy the misdirection of the trailer implying someone saying that the Force would "make ten men feel like a hundred," when that line is actually Cassian telling his tiny squadron, "I need it to look like you guys have an Army out there."
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Friday, 23 December 2016 01:32 (seven years ago) link
Saw just needed a little bacta tank spritz at the Mustafar spa to pull him out of his doldrums.
XPs
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Friday, 23 December 2016 01:35 (seven years ago) link
Indeed, he couldn't have outrun the disaster even if he'd wanted to
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Friday, 23 December 2016 01:38 (seven years ago) link
can't wait for the reveal that Finn is Saw's grandkid or something in the next movie
― Neanderthal, Friday, 23 December 2016 01:41 (seven years ago) link
Finger Era
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Friday, 23 December 2016 01:44 (seven years ago) link
Shhhh! I haven't yet had a chance to publish my Saw Gerrera/Mon Mothma fanfic yet
xp
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Friday, 23 December 2016 01:44 (seven years ago) link
glad Lucas wasn't allowed near this flick, during the Evazan fan service moment he probably woulda thrown in a line like "come, Jyn, we don't want things to get out of hand"
― Neanderthal, Friday, 23 December 2016 01:51 (seven years ago) link
I couldn't watch Whitaker without thinking of "Blue Velvet," tbh.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 December 2016 02:31 (seven years ago) link
glad Lucas wasn't allowed near this flick, during the Evazan fan service moment he probably woulda thrown in a line like "come, Jyn, we don't want things to get out of hand"― Neanderthal
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Friday, 23 December 2016 05:13 (seven years ago) link
it's "don't choke on your aspirations", get it right GOD
― Neanderthal, Friday, 23 December 2016 05:20 (seven years ago) link
Saw this today, enjoyed it. Local coffee guy this morning said to me "It's not a great film but it's a kickass good film" and I'll go with that. Might like it better than TFA at this point. More later when I've caught up on this thread properly.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 December 2016 05:58 (seven years ago) link
If the saga must continue, then I guess Disney will do a better job of cranking out new material than Lucasfilms could. George ran out of good ideas. But to my mind the preferable alternative to either Disney or Lucasfilms continuing to tread over old Star Wars ground would be just letting the series die after eight feature films and a bunch of ancillary junk. That seems like enough.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 23 December 2016 06:15 (seven years ago) link
Why let it die when it is in the rudest of health?
― the year of diving languorously (ledge), Friday, 23 December 2016 07:52 (seven years ago) link
Anyway I really enjoyed this, agreed with some of the points above - weirdly jumpy beginning, stupid master switch macguffin, ludicrous technology design forcing characters to (literally) jump through hoops - but thought they were minor quibbles not major flaws. Re: the ludicrous technology design, really this is a feature of the SW universe - the chasm in the death star with a retractable bridge that luke and leia have to swing over; the shield control that obi wan turns off stuck there in the middle of nowhere on the far side of a large pod with a narrow ledge over another chasm; the chute that luke falls down in bespin; the poor death star techs who have to cower as the giant laser shoots past them.
I thought this film really pointed up the difference between a star wars film and a film set in the star wars universe. TFA was definitely the former, this just did not feel the same, emotionally or visually. It was grittier, colder, didn't seem to have the same clarity or simplicity in shot framing - and was there even a single wipe in it?
Important questions yet to be addressed: 1) All these gung-ho rebel types keen for action and penance joined up with jyn and went to scarif, and left the ship to provide distraction for jyn and cassian. So who were the cowering youngsters left on the ship who had to be ordered by bodhi to go off and find the master switch? 2) What are those giant pens everyone carries in their shirt/poncho pockets? 3) Whatever happened to canary wharf tube station?
― the year of diving languorously (ledge), Friday, 23 December 2016 09:18 (seven years ago) link
1) they were protecting the only transport they have?3) it's in there, team "vaguely blend in" rush through it left-to-right as every one else is running right-to-left.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 23 December 2016 09:37 (seven years ago) link
Who, where, on Scarif? Jyn & Cassian aren't in their imperial garb in the trailer footage iirc.
― the year of diving languorously (ledge), Friday, 23 December 2016 10:26 (seven years ago) link
Sure, if you're asking "where's this footage from the trailer" the answer is the same as the rest of the footage - it isn't in the film. Canary Wharf is though.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 23 December 2016 11:19 (seven years ago) link
alright, i'll look out for it next time. despite enjoying the film i won't be rushing to see it again in the cinema, unlike TFA. possibly because it was less emotionally compelling, possibly because I have a baby now.
― the year of diving languorously (ledge), Friday, 23 December 2016 11:58 (seven years ago) link
it's on 123movies already...if you dare!
― Dominique, Friday, 23 December 2016 14:16 (seven years ago) link
The tunic/sleeve pens are apparently code cylinders, which technically match with the weird technology of the rest of the series by going with something akin to a USB stick as a secure log-in rather than a password.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Code_cylinder
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 23 December 2016 20:08 (seven years ago) link
Carrie Fisher in critical condition after a heart attack :(
― Number None, Friday, 23 December 2016 22:03 (seven years ago) link
Dang, just saw that news.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 December 2016 19:18 (seven years ago) link
Stable, last I saw ...
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 December 2016 19:50 (seven years ago) link
the "stable" message was unsourced, her brother mentioned not knowing where that came from. she's in the ICU:(
― mh 😏, Saturday, 24 December 2016 19:57 (seven years ago) link
Well, she's alive, at least. But there were reports she went a good 10+ not breathing. Good luck, Carrie Fisher!
God, this year has sucked so bad I forgot that Muhammed Ali died.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 December 2016 20:34 (seven years ago) link
honestly got chills when red leader/gold leader called in
― 龜, Sunday, 25 December 2016 04:26 (seven years ago) link
kinda weird they had these glorious HD views on the screen in the death star but then switched to ANH grainy views to show continuity i guess
― 龜, Sunday, 25 December 2016 04:29 (seven years ago) link
i liked that the uniforms were of a continuity with ANH - everybody has these stupid little five sided die pins or w/e
― 龜, Sunday, 25 December 2016 04:42 (seven years ago) link
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:57 AM (six days ago) Bookmark'
blue milk at the beginning, stolen imperial shuttle with wonky security codes
― 龜, Sunday, 25 December 2016 04:51 (seven years ago) link
Anybody else get "Xwing"/"Tie fighter" flashbacks in this? They mention Admiral Thrawn by name, and several Y-Wings use ion torpodes to deactivate a star destroyeryup, i grinned like a motherfucker when this happened― Nhex, Sunday, December 18, 2016 3:04 AM (six days ago) Bookmark
ion torpedos weren't in any of the space sim games!
i totally thought the u-wing was a skipray blastboat though
― 龜, Sunday, 25 December 2016 04:53 (seven years ago) link
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:52 AM (six days ago) Bookmark
i always thought this was kind of a progress bar
https://i.imgur.com/tBWOxEL.jpg
― 龜, Sunday, 25 December 2016 05:00 (seven years ago) link
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, December 21, 2016 12:44 AM (three days ago) Bookmark
this is a weird cynical take - it's more about taking the original empire being composed of humans / rebels are humans + the aliens that the empire disdains and recasting that in a 2016 diversity light
― 龜, Sunday, 25 December 2016 05:03 (seven years ago) link
― nomar, Wednesday, December 21, 2016 9:55 PM (three days ago) Bookmark
i could imagine the corvette just jumping around on the run for like half a year, everybodys clothes getting really threadbare from having been washed so many times, the empire orchestrating a massive denial/coverup campaign
― 龜, Sunday, 25 December 2016 05:07 (seven years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, December 22, 2016 9:54 AM (two days ago) Bookmark
well - i liked it and i thought it was smart because it pivots the force back to its origins rooted in asian mysticism / buddhism with teeth. a strong rebuke of midichlorians. so having the two 'force users' or at least force sensitive characters, basically just two dudes who washed out of jedi training / would have been in jedi training if there were any jedis left, be asian, wandering around a temple (hokey religion) named jedha, self training with zen koans, building a lightsaber facsimile out of some inertial impulse that they can't explain - i liked it
― 龜, Sunday, 25 December 2016 05:13 (seven years ago) link
I prefer the analogue of the televised car chase that begins with a robbery and ends with a PIT maneuver but the driver still acts like they have no idea why the police showed up all of a sudden
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Sunday, 25 December 2016 05:14 (seven years ago) link
final shitpost: i hate that x-wingsand TIE fighters are the only starfighters they really bring back from the first movies. well they had y-wings here but only to link up to ANH. the new TIE fighter design they had at scarrick or w/e looked awful.
basically, needed more TIE interceptors imo
― 龜, Sunday, 25 December 2016 05:15 (seven years ago) link
― 龜, Saturday, December 24, 2016 11:26 PM (yesterday) Bookmark
sorry, final final shitpost - part of the reason i loved this was you had a bunch of ppl doing fake international/european accents and/or modern american ones and then these two dudes w/ 70s americana sunbathed californian (californian?) drawls intermixed
― 龜, Sunday, 25 December 2016 05:20 (seven years ago) link
Leia did have a legit diplomatic mission in that she's trying to deliver evidence of the Emperor's weapon to the senate. She just had to meet up with informants in the middle of a battle, making the whole ordeal really suspect. And before she can drop by home, the senate's dissolved and home is blown up.
New mustache pilot guy was my favorite fringe character
― mh 😏, Sunday, 25 December 2016 05:21 (seven years ago) link
General Merrick / Blue Leader
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Sunday, 25 December 2016 05:28 (seven years ago) link
Why the hell did they awkward-plonk C3PO and R2D2 into the Yavin hangar when they could have had them show up on, I dunno, the Blockade Runner just like Princess Leia?Mind you, I did love the idea that the terrified guys at the start of ANH had recently seen Darth storm the corridor and trash 20 armed soldiers singlehanded.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Sunday, 25 December 2016 06:53 (seven years ago) link
Asian lady x wing fighter !
― calstars, Sunday, 25 December 2016 17:14 (seven years ago) link
ok so the opening crawl of Ep IV:
It is a period of civil war.Rebel spaceships, strikingfrom a hidden base, have wontheir first victory againstthe evil Galactic Empire.During the battle, Rebelspies managed to steal secretplans to the Empire'sultimate weapon, the DEATHSTAR, an armored spacestation with enough powerto destroy an entire planet.Pursued by the Empire'ssinister agents, PrincessLeia races home aboard herstarship, custodian of thestolen plans that can save herpeople and restorefreedom to the galaxy....
During the battle, Rebelspies managed to steal secretplans to the Empire'sultimate weapon, the DEATHSTAR, an armored spacestation with enough powerto destroy an entire planet.
Pursued by the Empire'ssinister agents, PrincessLeia races home aboard herstarship, custodian of thestolen plans that can save herpeople and restorefreedom to the galaxy....
i guess it pretty much does line up with Rogue One. Leia and her "diplomatic mission" excuse still isn't exactly plausible deniability though.
― nomar, Sunday, 25 December 2016 17:27 (seven years ago) link
Is Jaw Gerrera supposed to be some kind of Che Guevara ref
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 25 December 2016 19:12 (seven years ago) link
Yea he shoots Eva Peron too
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 25 December 2016 20:10 (seven years ago) link
Is Jaw Gerrera supposed to be some kind of Che Guevara ref― Οὖτις
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Sunday, 25 December 2016 20:45 (seven years ago) link
Miguel Herrera iirc
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 December 2016 22:50 (seven years ago) link
We went and saw this again today and I liked it a lot better on second viewing. I didn't even notice the first time but along with no opening crawl this avoids a lot of other SW formalist gestures like the wipes between scenes; Edwards just uses straight cuts and establishing shots.
I really like the cleverness of the opening shot -- the pan up through the star field is standard stuff, then you get an encroaching triangular shape that looks momentarily familiar but turns out to be the partly-shadowed rings of a planet.
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Monday, 26 December 2016 00:50 (seven years ago) link
AT-ATs and their pilots on winter recess vaca in Miami and vicinity
― calstars, Monday, 26 December 2016 01:19 (seven years ago) link
Thought this was way better than the last one. Albeit filled w plenty of lol / wtf / eyeroll moments
The scene where she's trying to send the plans by climbing to the top felt like I was watching someone play a video game
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 26 December 2016 01:31 (seven years ago) link
Like, why is there an opening-closing hatch she has to jump through? What possible purpose did that thing serve. Lol
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 26 December 2016 01:33 (seven years ago) link
dryer vent? didn't see any lint stuck in it though
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Monday, 26 December 2016 01:49 (seven years ago) link
Fairly certain the irising portal hatch she leaves the data tape room thru is a straight copy of the one atop the Falcon.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Monday, 26 December 2016 02:09 (seven years ago) link
Kinda references luke hanging on to the weather vane at the bottom of cloud city tbh
― 龜, Monday, 26 December 2016 02:13 (seven years ago) link
Agree master switch was stupid but they needed that to set up donnie yen's heroic death
― 龜, Monday, 26 December 2016 02:14 (seven years ago) link
s riptwriters were ruthless as soon as riz was was finished for purposes of advancing the plot they had a stormtrooper throw a thermal detonator inside the shuttle like bye
― 龜, Monday, 26 December 2016 02:20 (seven years ago) link
That too, but I meant that the hatch was physically identical
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Monday, 26 December 2016 02:33 (seven years ago) link
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, December 25, 2016 8:31 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i thought her whole ending sequence, climbing up the tower, going to the first switch, then the second switch, was super video game-like, like there should've been little Objective Completed texts showng up in the corner of the screen
i was fine with the ridiculous elements, and like what ledge said above -- Re: the ludicrous technology design, really this is a feature of the SW universe -- let us never forget this entire series basically started as alternate universe flash gordon fanfic
― qualx, Monday, 26 December 2016 04:41 (seven years ago) link
also digitarkin was so bad, horrible idea that people would've loved to hold against lucas 15 years ago
is grand moff tarkin really such an important character that he needed to be included in such a capacity? when i was a kid watching ANH i remembered him as the nerd who got choked, who cares
would've probably been better if they cut the vader castle scene and just had the tear-thru-hallway scene be his first appearance
anyway yeah i liked this more than the last one, lower stakes i guess
― qualx, Monday, 26 December 2016 04:44 (seven years ago) link
also can a mod mass edit all of shakey's 8 million posts across all the SW threads and add "you cucks" at the end
― qualx, Monday, 26 December 2016 04:45 (seven years ago) link
I approve
― mh 😏, Monday, 26 December 2016 05:44 (seven years ago) link
Another thing was yeah in a new hope I just sort of assumed it was more subtle skullduggery leading to the plans leaking from the empire via leia not a full on space battle and two destroyed cities. Also forest whittaker's relationship w the lead was super underdeveloped and there were no stakes when he randomly decided he was going to let himself die for no reason
That said I think that the good guys were all gonna die freed this from being a new hope redux / five favorite ingredients in a new order like the last one
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 26 December 2016 07:37 (seven years ago) link
Tarkin is the military commander of the Death Star, and doesn't get choked by some jumped-up goth monk.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 26 December 2016 08:17 (seven years ago) link
well goes to show how significant a role he played in ANH
the entire subplot over who owns the death star IP could've been removed and the movie would've lost nothing
― qualx, Monday, 26 December 2016 09:15 (seven years ago) link
Cranic kinda reminded me of an evil Steve Coogan
― 龜, Monday, 26 December 2016 13:50 (seven years ago) link
Having read nothing about this before going in, I was fairly certain after a few minutes trying to place the voice that the robot was Dinklage pretty much doing his Imp turn.
― Noel Emits, Monday, 26 December 2016 13:56 (seven years ago) link
yeah why did they have an american fake a british accent (unconvincingly) for a fukkin robot?
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 26 December 2016 13:59 (seven years ago) link
There are no British people in long time ago outer space. It's all just a strange coincidence.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 26 December 2016 15:23 (seven years ago) link
The fake British accent is a telltale sign an imperial droid has been reprogrammed by the rebellion.
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Monday, 26 December 2016 15:57 (seven years ago) link
imo fake british accent is very empire/senate, that's uh totally what carrier fisher was going for when confronting vader
― mh 😏, Monday, 26 December 2016 16:31 (seven years ago) link
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic_accent
*sighs*
― ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 26 December 2016 17:28 (seven years ago) link
Dick Van Droid
― Noel Emits, Monday, 26 December 2016 18:53 (seven years ago) link
don't get me wrong, it's a RP thing, but there's no indication that it's a senate matters thing. So either Lucas didn't coach it, or he did completely randomly
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 27 December 2016 01:05 (seven years ago) link
I think she took that on from shooting all those early scenes with David Prowse and Peter Cushing? Then spent the rest of the time with Americans, which changed that up.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Tuesday, 27 December 2016 16:31 (seven years ago) link
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-hc-rogue-one-donnie-yen-20161217-story.html
― 龜, Tuesday, 27 December 2016 17:23 (seven years ago) link
Carrie Fisher died this morning.
http://people.com/movies/carrie-fisher-dies/?xid=socialflow_twitter_peoplemag
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Tuesday, 27 December 2016 17:54 (seven years ago) link
Oh fuck
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Tuesday, 27 December 2016 18:05 (seven years ago) link
RIP Carrie.
― Everything Moves Towards The Sun (Ross), Tuesday, 27 December 2016 20:25 (seven years ago) link
<3 ;_; heartbroken now
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 December 2016 21:00 (seven years ago) link
I heard about this five minutes after seeing CGI Leia on screen
― joygoat, Tuesday, 27 December 2016 21:38 (seven years ago) link
yeah what a creepy confluence tbh. rip.
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 27 December 2016 22:14 (seven years ago) link
you prefer another target? a military target?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 December 2016 22:19 (seven years ago) link
D Trump would be fine thanks
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Tuesday, 27 December 2016 22:53 (seven years ago) link
RIP. Now really looking forward to rewatching 'A New Hope' (almost started it at after midnight after getting home from 'Rogue One').
Also:final shitpost: i hate that x-wingsand TIE fighters are the only starfighters they really bring back from the first movies.
I don't think the other fighters had been deployed at that point "historically." Tie Bombers appeared in ESB and the rest in ROTJ.
and now I'm going to be that guy:ion torpedos weren't in any of the space sim games!
There were some kind of ion projectiles, I think in 'X-Wing: Alliance'
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 27 December 2016 22:55 (seven years ago) link
Worth a watch if you've never seen it - less a roast than a gleeful slice & dice
http://www.vulture.com/2016/12/carrie-fisher-roasted-george-lucas.html
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 December 2016 23:22 (seven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/kRsJpql.jpg
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 27 December 2016 23:59 (seven years ago) link
As a kid I noticed how that gun was exclusive to Leia and that action figure; it was never seen again.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 December 2016 23:59 (seven years ago) link
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, December 27, 2016 5:55 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark
ion pulses
― 龜, Wednesday, 28 December 2016 01:14 (seven years ago) link
finally saw this; had no idea about the carrie fisher 'cameo' at the end so found that a bit touching actually; you only see the face for maybe 4 seconds. I liked the movie on the whole but agree that the last 10 minutes were the best, once vader started spinning the lightsaber and cutting the fuck out of people. it would be excellent, I think, to get a full vader spin off film; but JEJ is sounding too old to do a full film, and I don't know if he could be convincingly recast. I'm curious about the reshoots as well; I think the plot resolution here was quite good and enjoyed that they killed everyone. But the indications seem to be that the original had them all surviving or at least running on the beach with the plans. who knows.
― akm, Wednesday, 28 December 2016 06:56 (seven years ago) link
I enjoyed this a lot.
― ¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 28 December 2016 07:07 (seven years ago) link
I think I enjoyed TFA more. Movie felt a little disjointed to me (major LOLs though at Leia's "diplomatic mission" in light on the end). Imperial Droid was great.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 28 December 2016 13:07 (seven years ago) link
http://www.blindltd.com/rogue-one
― 龜, Wednesday, 28 December 2016 13:30 (seven years ago) link
How many posts are there on the Internet about how they use arabic numerals even though the alphabet(s) are all invented
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 28 December 2016 15:37 (seven years ago) link
It's funny that Lucas never "fixed" the Death Star plans in the OG Star Wars along with all the other stuff he "fixed," necessitating Rogue One using those plans that show the dish/laser on the equator, even though he stuck this into Revenge of the Sith:
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/e/e0/The_Ultimate_Weapon.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20091007163903
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Wednesday, 28 December 2016 17:03 (seven years ago) link
Compared to:
http://jeffbeaty.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/death-star-plans-on-screen.jpg
I like to think of one of the reasons for making Rogue One being to fix the giant plothole as to why the Death Star was able to be destroyed by two proton torpedos
― 龜, Wednesday, 28 December 2016 17:45 (seven years ago) link
like the original frankly. it fits more with the ridiculous limitations on their technology (storing plans on a floppy disk in a tower)
― akm, Wednesday, 28 December 2016 17:45 (seven years ago) link
"I like to think of one of the reasons for making Rogue One being to fix the giant plothole as to why the Death Star was able to be destroyed by two proton torpedos"
this too
yeah i loved that. could have been stupid and unnecessary ala "midichlorians" but pretty clever and fitting imo
― Nhex, Wednesday, 28 December 2016 18:54 (seven years ago) link
finally saw this; had no idea about the carrie fisher 'cameo' at the end so found that a bit touching actually; you only see the face for maybe 4 seconds.
this kind of thing will always be really freaky to me. I found it really unsettling in the new Tron movie too.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 28 December 2016 18:56 (seven years ago) link
I didn't mind either cameo but I feel like these are just the first shot in the future of this franchise where there will be luke skywalker stories with Mark hamill avatars as the central character.
― nomar, Wednesday, 28 December 2016 19:12 (seven years ago) link
tbh we all knew they've been heading in this direction with the technology for decades. thankfully we'll get zombie hologram Marilyn Monroe before Skynet kills us all
― Nhex, Wednesday, 28 December 2016 19:16 (seven years ago) link
so I understand that shooting for episode 8 is all done and wrapped up - unfortunately the likelihood of using a cgi Leia for episode 9 is pretty high, no?
― 龜, Wednesday, 28 December 2016 19:19 (seven years ago) link
Deathstar having a structural weakspot is not a plothole, it's the main plot driver for several of these movies.
pretty much everything Obi Wan says and does in his fight w Vader at the end of ANH on the other hand was rendered nonsensical by the following films.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 28 December 2016 19:27 (seven years ago) link
i imagine they'll kill her off between 8 and 9; if they are sensible they will. i wonder how far into writing 9 they are? is there a writer and director announced yet?
― akm, Wednesday, 28 December 2016 19:36 (seven years ago) link
Fisher mentioned in Wishful Drinking that Lucas owned her likeness, so I'm guessing that would extend into the current films
― Nhex, Wednesday, 28 December 2016 20:44 (seven years ago) link
Some minor bit of solace:
http://www.avclub.com/article/billie-lourd-will-take-care-carrie-fishers-beloved-247774
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 28 December 2016 21:31 (seven years ago) link
I demand all Leia dialogue be performed by George Lucas wearing a Leia mask and a metal bikini
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 28 December 2016 22:06 (seven years ago) link
God, to sell your likeness...that seems very sad
― calstars, Wednesday, 28 December 2016 22:09 (seven years ago) link
TMZ and NY Daily News reporting that Debbie Reynolds was taken to the ER from her son's house, possibly for a stroke.
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Wednesday, 28 December 2016 22:42 (seven years ago) link
i wonder how far into writing 9 they are? is there a writer and director announced yet?
Rian Johnson was supposed to be writing the story, if not the script. Colin Trevorrow is directing.
― Number None, Thursday, 29 December 2016 00:00 (seven years ago) link
not that we've seen how rian johnson does with the franchise, but i have high hopes and think they could do it smoothly
i just cracked up while watching tv because a new tv promo takes film footage where they say "rogue one" followed by the base flight control saying "there is no rogue one!" "there is now!"
― mh 😏, Thursday, 29 December 2016 00:12 (seven years ago) link
"First hit this beach switch to tell them we're going to transmit THEN drag this cable back THEN plug it in and hit a comm switch THEN plug in the tapes THEN hit another transmit switch oops your shit is misaligned? Somehow? so THEN make your way out to another switch THEN return to the transmit switch"
frankly i was surprised it was that easy!
but... no backups i guess? the empire totally just nuked its ENTIRE archive of technical research!
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 29 December 2016 02:48 (seven years ago) link
no-look force choke was doooooooope
saw it a 4th time today. overheard when I was leaving: "Only C3PO, R2-D2, Leia, and Darth Vader were in this from the originals. Where's everyone else?".
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 29 December 2016 03:30 (seven years ago) link
tho I do wonder, if people keep eating up these side stories, if someone will make a movie about the menial shit Luke does on Uncle Owen's farm
"not that we've seen how rian johnson does with the franchise, but i have high hopes and think they could do it smoothly"wait, what else in the franchise has he written?
― akm, Thursday, 29 December 2016 03:31 (seven years ago) link
"tho I do wonder, if people keep eating up these side stories, if someone will make a movie about the menial shit Luke does on Uncle Owen's farm"
2 hour film of someone herding nerfs
― akm, Thursday, 29 December 2016 03:32 (seven years ago) link
give the people the bela tarr star wars film they're demanding
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 29 December 2016 03:37 (seven years ago) link
the obvious side film, already several short stories and books, is obi wan on tatooine pretending not to be a jedi and dabbling in local affairs to both protect his charge and help the small-time frontier people he's sympathetic toward. like a western, but with sand people for natives and hutts for local crime
he can't be known so he is already the man with no name. writes itself
― mh 😏, Thursday, 29 December 2016 04:02 (seven years ago) link
there's a great comic about that
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 29 December 2016 04:19 (seven years ago) link
wouldn't be bad to give ewan mcgregor a chance to redeem his obi wan in a good movie
― akm, Thursday, 29 December 2016 04:35 (seven years ago) link
no no let's definitely do a CGI alec guinness
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 29 December 2016 04:40 (seven years ago) link
there's a movie where mcgregor plays jesus wandering the desert that is basically this idea
― Clay, Thursday, 29 December 2016 04:44 (seven years ago) link
I was referencing comics when I said short stories :)
― mh 😏, Thursday, 29 December 2016 04:52 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51_HeycfunA
If you mute the world's most obnoxious host, there's a lotta great archival footage in here of the cast doing media tours back circa 1977-1983. Peter Cushing, even. Interspersed with original toys commercials, recording sessions with Carrie Fisher and James Earl Jones for a 1-800 number, etc.
Skip to 9:32 to see Carrie on David Letterman in 1983.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Thursday, 29 December 2016 10:09 (seven years ago) link
btw my stupid gripe upthread about "when" they stole the Imperial ship was answered directly in the dialogue and I just must have been focused on something else the FIRST THREE TIMES when Cassian tells Bodhi "go get us a ride home" and dismisses him so he can *do what he came there to do*
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 29 December 2016 15:19 (seven years ago) link
also really appreciated Felicity Jones' smiles in this movie, they're always just a slight show of guarded pleasure.
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 29 December 2016 15:22 (seven years ago) link
apparently, Ewan McGregor is actually campaigning to Disney for an Obi Wan flick too -- he'd even be the right age if they set it between Ep III and IV. As this is clearly a good idea, I don't expect it to happen.
― Dominique, Thursday, 29 December 2016 17:01 (seven years ago) link
I just remembered how much I liked Mendelsohn's reaction when the Imperials see all the bombs go off at the landing pads, and he turns around and everyone's just standing there.
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Thursday, 29 December 2016 17:03 (seven years ago) link
haha yeah I always laugh at his exasperated "are we BLIND?"
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 29 December 2016 17:14 (seven years ago) link
yeah Obi-Wan solo flick. don't tell me Disney just gonna leave that money on the table.
on the bright side we will finally learn the origin story of Obi Wan's Tuscan Raider-scaring voice-imitation powers and why no other Jedi or Sith seems to use it.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 29 December 2016 18:05 (seven years ago) link
~places nerd hat firmly on head~
ACTUALLY, that was covered in the (now out of continuity?) novel Kenobi by John Jackson Miller, which was pretty much a Fistful of Dollar-type Western. IIRC he learns it from some mechanical sirens that settlers have set up to fend off Tusken attacks.
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Thursday, 29 December 2016 19:35 (seven years ago) link
thanks for that video kingfish
obi-wan solo flick, though totally unnecessary (come all these prequels are) could actually work because we still have Ewan McGregor with us and he was the most consistently solid part of the prequels
― Nhex, Thursday, 29 December 2016 20:44 (seven years ago) link
Beautifully rendered star destroyers in this. Very 2001-esque bright diffuse white. Or like photos from the moon with washed out white spacesuits against pitch black. Better sense of scale than seen in a Star Wars movie in a while.
― chinavision!, Thursday, 29 December 2016 23:30 (seven years ago) link
There was something pristine and.. er.. model-like about the spaceships, partic the star destroyers? During one shot my 8-y-o leaned over and said "it looks like Lego!"
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 29 December 2016 23:37 (seven years ago) link
yeah there was one shot where the star destroyer looked like a happy meal toy
― qualx, Thursday, 29 December 2016 23:42 (seven years ago) link
first 45 minutes was a real jumble, it took an extraordinary amount of effort on my part (maybe i am dim) to work out what was happening. the mind-reading monster wasn't even that scary because it wasn't foreshadowed or set up, it was just suddenly there. and then it was over. and dude was fine after a 5-second talking to. and it was obvious that riz was a good guy anyway. so there was no suspense. compare with the ear worm in khan!! i felt 5 steps ahead of all the other characters yet somehow still struggling to make sense of things. still fun tho!
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 29 December 2016 23:50 (seven years ago) link
McGregor was horrible and the prequels should never be referenced again. Even Smits was pushing it.
― Number None, Thursday, 29 December 2016 23:51 (seven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/RtJv4Dy.jpg
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Friday, 30 December 2016 02:37 (seven years ago) link
that ignores the fact that the jedi had to go live in the fucking sticks off the grid while organa got to keep his senate job and luxury real estate and etc etc
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Friday, 30 December 2016 02:42 (seven years ago) link
or maybe that is the point I dunno
it's been a long day
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Friday, 30 December 2016 02:43 (seven years ago) link
"first 45 minutes was a real jumble, it took an extraordinary amount of effort on my part (maybe i am dim) to work out what was happening"
maybe you are, because I didn't hink it was a jumble at all and I wasn't even paying that much attention
― akm, Friday, 30 December 2016 03:44 (seven years ago) link
v possible! and maybe the sound was bad too, i dunno
it all felt real dark and claustrophobic and small and jangly and difficult to move forward
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 30 December 2016 03:50 (seven years ago) link
saw the movie again
the "new"tie model really looks like a dumber version of one of the Jedi starfighters. I guess they wanted to draw a line between the movies
― mh 😏, Friday, 30 December 2016 03:58 (seven years ago) link
this is a much better movie on second viewing
― Fiddle Catstro (latebloomer), Friday, 30 December 2016 04:01 (seven years ago) link
Got back from a second viewing myself just now and agreed -- I loved it first time through but the second time I was surprised just how wrought up the ending made me, which I honestly didn't expect. And small things I had missed on the first viewing flowed much more smoothly throughout; every major action in response to something else is pretty clearly spelled out, but can be easy to miss in the initial flow.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 December 2016 04:11 (seven years ago) link
I will add this -- for all the fixing of larger plot holes (why does the Death Star have a flaw, etc.), surely this film raises a new one -- if Leia etc. are already on board the flagship during the battle tucked away in their own ship, then what are C3PO and R2D2 doing hanging out on Yavin for their cameo when it sounds like said flagship was already heading to Scarif?
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 December 2016 04:14 (seven years ago) link
I too was confused why their cameo wasn't at the very end - seems like a logical place to put it
― Vinnie, Friday, 30 December 2016 05:33 (seven years ago) link
Extensive discussion of such continuity issues here
https://www.reddit.com/r/FanTheories/comments/5kfk0s/star_wars_the_reason_darth_vader_seems_so/dbnqxop/
... to a degree that might make one regret having started taking continuity issues seriously.
― the pinefox, Friday, 30 December 2016 10:21 (seven years ago) link
"So there are several things we need to take into account here.
First, The distance between Tatooine and Scarif. So this was tricky since on Wookiepedia there is no distance between Scarif and Tatooine nor is there a distance to the center so Trigonometry won't help us. Luckily there is a simpler solution. This is a map of the Star Wars Galaxy, and it has a useful feature of telling us the coordinates of each thing on the map. Unfortunately for us they are not in light years. Here we find that Tatooine is 43,000 ly from the galactic center and using the distance formula here we can find that the distance on the map is 12,526.5 units from the center. Some simple calculations give us that 1 unit is roughly 3.4 light years in the galaxy.
So doing the same thing here we find that the distance between Scarif and Tatooine is 958.328 units or (using our 3.4 to 1 conversion) it is 3258.3 light years between Scarif and Tatooine.
Now for the speed of her ship. A CR90 Corvette can travel at 950 kph in an atmosphere. In terms of space and lightyears that is ridiculously slow. Like it would take Leia over 3 trillion years to get to Tatooine. But thats not how hyperdrives work in Star Wars. Hyperspace we can see from the bottom of the article has a rough travel time of 5000 lightyears is about 16 hours. and that is using a class 2 hyperdrive which conveniently is what the Cr90 and Darth Vader's personal Star Destroyer both have. So some more simple math, and we get that it would take ~10 hours to get from Scarif to Tatooine for both Leia Organa and Darth Vader."
― the pinefox, Friday, 30 December 2016 10:22 (seven years ago) link
Doesn't account for if they get waylaid by a Predator ship.
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Friday, 30 December 2016 13:04 (seven years ago) link
In ANH, I always had an issue with why would Princess Leia be able to take command of her rescue, "somebody has to save our skins" and be so calm in the battles she is in. Later, she is made a general? Why? Why would a princess have these qualities?
yeah how could a princess have these qualities must be a plot hole
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 30 December 2016 15:08 (seven years ago) link
still haven't seen this yet but the torrent of people bending over backwards to really dig into the logic of these films kinda making me not want to.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 30 December 2016 15:13 (seven years ago) link
ignore them. it's all nitpicks frankly
― Nhex, Friday, 30 December 2016 17:15 (seven years ago) link
Interesting find:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTmN3N5v0W4
Carrie Fisher(along with many other familiar late 70s NYC women) popped up in a bit on Mr Mike's Mondo Video, about 28:00 in.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Saturday, 31 December 2016 13:35 (seven years ago) link
caught the last half hour of this new movie. oh hey they re-created the Death Star firing sequence shot for shot. and Tarkin says "Fire when ready" just like the does in SW. and the Red Leader/Gold Leader guys are plucked right out of the first movie. Vader did look cool doing a Yoda. glad they let the director bring his Darth Vader action figure.
i get the desire to end the movie right when ANH stars and have it lead into that but it kind of really distorts the intro imo. there's no floating debris from the massive space battle that just ended. Vader/the Empire seems to have mellowed out and done a complete 180 on killing everyone in sight. hopefully we get another movie to explain these plotholes.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 31 December 2016 16:38 (seven years ago) link
caught the last half hour of this new movie
did you wander into the theater after watching a film you actually cared about, or ?
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Saturday, 31 December 2016 16:41 (seven years ago) link
naw it was a bootleg, i tried watching from the start but got bored. wanted to skip to the good stuff.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 31 December 2016 16:44 (seven years ago) link
btw im really hurt that you don't think i care about this movie. i care deeply
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 31 December 2016 16:45 (seven years ago) link
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Saturday, 31 December 2016 17:04 (seven years ago) link
Irl
there's no floating debris from the massive space battle that just ended
The battle was above scarif, anh starts above tatooine. Pay attention at the back.
― brekekekexit collapse collapse (ledge), Saturday, 31 December 2016 17:37 (seven years ago) link
can we get a hot take from someone who saw 5 min of the beginning or 15 minutes in the middle
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 31 December 2016 17:47 (seven years ago) link
just watched the teaser trailer and read some fanfiction, here are my informed and valuable thoughts
― qualx, Saturday, 31 December 2016 18:08 (seven years ago) link
I must wait until a high definition home release is available, but I am pretty sure the Vader in tank scene confirmed Vader has no dick
― mh 😏, Saturday, 31 December 2016 18:15 (seven years ago) link
it was floating separate in the tank, could see it in the upper left of the screen, either it's detachable or he keeps it for sentimental reasons
― qualx, Saturday, 31 December 2016 18:24 (seven years ago) link
well this thread is called shit talk. or are we required to pay to see these things now before engaging in the time-honored tradition of talking shit about star wars on the internet?
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 31 December 2016 19:09 (seven years ago) link
if you have to pay extra to see the first 90 minutes of a bootleg you downloaded you're being ripped off
― qualx, Saturday, 31 December 2016 19:16 (seven years ago) link
know shit to talk shit
― mh 😏, Saturday, 31 December 2016 19:31 (seven years ago) link
xxxpost well then my bad. thank GOD you're here. Please, continue with your halfassery. As you were.
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 31 December 2016 19:42 (seven years ago) link
anyway i just overheard two people talking about this movie in a passing car and boy does it stink
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 31 December 2016 19:44 (seven years ago) link
I can't believe you guys are still posting about this. I guess I'll see it if my kids watch it on tv someday.
― mh 😏, Saturday, 31 December 2016 19:45 (seven years ago) link
more like snore wars amirite
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 31 December 2016 19:48 (seven years ago) link
Vader's dick is preserved in the core of his lightsaber handle.
― tried Blue Apron and we died (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 31 December 2016 19:50 (seven years ago) link
tell me more
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 31 December 2016 19:50 (seven years ago) link
Number fans will note that this puts an upper limit on Vader's length and girth
― tried Blue Apron and we died (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 31 December 2016 19:51 (seven years ago) link
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 31 December 2016 20:04 (seven years ago) link
the Red Leader/Gold Leader guys are plucked right out of the first movie.
Major plot hole, IRL military flight squadrons change leaders every couple of days.
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Saturday, 31 December 2016 22:02 (seven years ago) link
rey from the force awakens is cloned from vader's detachable penis iirc
― MY MUTANT BRAIN WILL DETECT TREACHERY! (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 31 December 2016 22:13 (seven years ago) link
makes sense
― mh 😏, Sunday, 1 January 2017 00:00 (seven years ago) link
ZERO pod racingthumbs down
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 1 January 2017 01:12 (seven years ago) link
saw this last night. It took a bit for it to grow on me- more or less right after they parted ways with the incredibly bizarre Forest Whitaker. After that I thought it built nicely and had about the best space battle ever depicted. But in the cold light of day I am mostly fascinated by what the hell was Whitaker's deal, idgi.
― great Canadian prog-psych debut from 1969 (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 1 January 2017 03:37 (seven years ago) link
"Rebel Vader" seems a fairly apt reduction
― Nhex, Sunday, 1 January 2017 03:47 (seven years ago) link
he was like a Matrix-y Immortan Joe, felt like he walked in from another movie
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 1 January 2017 03:51 (seven years ago) link
his robo-feet were very prequel trilogy but that strange affected cadence and weirdo wheeze were of some 90s DTV post-apocalypse cheapie.
― great Canadian prog-psych debut from 1969 (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 1 January 2017 04:32 (seven years ago) link
IRL military flight squadrons change leaders every couple of days.
but this takes place in far away galaxy, long, long ago. 'real life' there can be whatever you want.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Sunday, 1 January 2017 04:49 (seven years ago) link
my point there was this is literally the same movie as the first one.
i'll see it eventually. i just am not in a hurry. i saw Star Wars like 30 years ago, and imagined the world suggested by those actors, costumes, sets, special effect, music, etc. all working in tandem, all those talents and skills from that specific time and place. it created a potent imaginary universe. through the EU that universe even gained big dollar real world manifestation. star wars was a ritual, it was based on all those ritual symbols and story cycles, and the holistic, cumulative magic of the team that made the first movie is what we love about it. sequelizing was inevitable but this is cannibalism. re-creating scenes shot-for-shot shows a nadir of creativity. what's worse they are actively writing over our memories of those imaginations the first movie inspired in us so long ago. the first movie was very potent, our imaginations were very potent in response. the more they over-explain, the more they take away the frame from us and tell us the official story, it devalues the potency of the series as a whole.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 1 January 2017 17:46 (seven years ago) link
same reasons a lot of catholics never open the bible iirc
― mh 😏, Sunday, 1 January 2017 18:32 (seven years ago) link
literally the same movie
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Sunday, 1 January 2017 19:03 (seven years ago) link
please do us all a favor and never actually see it
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Sunday, 1 January 2017 19:04 (seven years ago) link
having red and gold leader there, i mean they're the guys who lead the death star assault, it would make sense that there would be some carryover of experienced pilots who survived the previous battle. i think it's more a nice touch and homage to the characters (and yes a bit of deep cuts being played again, for fan wish fulfillment) rather than something unoriginal.
― nomar, Sunday, 1 January 2017 19:11 (seven years ago) link
it's definitely the same movie
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 1 January 2017 19:22 (seven years ago) link
I subtracted the pixel values for each frame of the two films and summed the square of the differences. The result was zero. They literally rereleased star wars.
― tried Blue Apron and we died (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 1 January 2017 19:43 (seven years ago) link
shot-for-shot remakes!
― mh 😏, Sunday, 1 January 2017 19:47 (seven years ago) link
Carrie Fisher(along with many other familiar late 70s NYC women) popped up in a bit on Mr Mike's Mondo Video
Perrin on O'Donoghue's affair with Fisher aka Puppy Flesh
https://dennisperrinblog.wordpress.com/2016/12/28/the-fisher-queen/
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 1 January 2017 19:56 (seven years ago) link
Thought this was drab, largely humourless and not really any fun. Also, everything prior to the final act was really dimly lit--I nearly nodded off a few times.
― rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Monday, 2 January 2017 16:04 (seven years ago) link
i just saw assassins creed. if you watch assassins creed i think it will make you retroactively have a good time at rogue one.
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 2 January 2017 16:12 (seven years ago) link
I have a feeling if you see Assassins Creed it will make you retroactively have a good time at literally anything. The dentist, church, DMV ...
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 January 2017 16:17 (seven years ago) link
....assassinations, Creed concerts...
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Monday, 2 January 2017 17:44 (seven years ago) link
Watching assassins creed makes you retroactively have a good time watching assassins creed
― tried Blue Apron and we died (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 2 January 2017 18:31 (seven years ago) link
Because i mean, fuck, at least it's not assassins creed am i righyut guuuuuys
― tried Blue Apron and we died (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 2 January 2017 18:32 (seven years ago) link
I really need to schedule a dentist appointment, I might steel myself by scheduling a viewing of Assassins Creed first
― mh 😏, Monday, 2 January 2017 19:34 (seven years ago) link
Finally saw this. It was good, but you guys have said all the things already. Vader at the end was like Jason Voorhees slicin' up mf-ers with his 'chete. Brutal. Overcompensating for the loss of his donger, I guess.
― what is the lever disease? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 04:04 (seven years ago) link
For want of a donger, the plans were lost.For want of the plans, the death star was lost.For want of the death star, the star wars were lost.For want of the star wars, the prequels were made.And all for the want of a sith cock.
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 04:14 (seven years ago) link
― rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Monday, 2 January 2017 16:04 (yesterday)
Likewise, I think I'm done with Star Wars
― An Alan Bennett Joint (Michael B), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 10:03 (seven years ago) link
Hmmmmm, trying to figure out which movie you guys accidentally wandered into.
― what is the lever disease? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 13:17 (seven years ago) link
Drab Sleepy Humorless One
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 13:19 (seven years ago) link
The really boring one that takes over two hours to explain a plot contrivance from the original movie.
― rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 14:53 (seven years ago) link
I guess my question is, knowing what this movie is about and knowing what Star Wars movies are generally like, what were you expecting this movie to be like? To me, this was pretty much exactly what I wanted it to be; a relatively surface space opera about a motley band thrown together largely by circumstance standing up to overwhelming oppression and sacrificing themselves so that others could have a chance to continue fighting. I wasn't looking for deep characterization, I wasn't looking for airtight plotting, I wasn't looking for something that would change my outlook or make me introspective; I was looking for a movie set in the Star Wars universe about stealing the plans for the Death Star, I got one, I enjoyed it.
― ¶ (DJP), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 14:57 (seven years ago) link
Admittedly, my expectations weren't the highest (my husband is the SW fan; I was there mostly for him), but I was at least hoping for a sort-of good time, and this movie was really dreary and morose.
― rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 15:05 (seven years ago) link
ah okay, that makes more sense
― ¶ (DJP), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 15:07 (seven years ago) link
I agree with "morose"; this was one of the things I really liked about it.
― ¶ (DJP), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 15:08 (seven years ago) link
For sure. Given the nature of the heist, everything kinda went down the way one might expect, but given that this was a Star Wars movie, I was legitimately surprised that EVERYONE died. I thought for sure there would be some uplifting, last-minute rescue of at least Jyn and Cassian but nope. I really dig that lack of compromise in genre fiction when it isn't in the service of facile grim n' gritty nihilism.
― DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 15:22 (seven years ago) link
I mean, but yeah, suicide missions are usually kinda morose affairs, I would guess.
― DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 15:24 (seven years ago) link
You might say that unlike some other productions of the past year, this film had a real suicide squad
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 15:29 (seven years ago) link
Clearly unintentional given the production schedule but this felt like a very strong anti-Trump call to arms to me. But then pretty much everything feels like that to me these days.
― DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 15:40 (seven years ago) link
am I the only one surprised that the Empire would voluntarily obliterate all its own technical research??
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 15:41 (seven years ago) link
Does it expressly say this is the only datebase site they have?
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 15:46 (seven years ago) link
lol, DATAbase.
Yeah, that seemed odd. The fact that the rebels had to go to that one specific planet to get the plans would presumably suggest an absence of backups.
― DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 15:47 (seven years ago) link
it was just a way to cover up their colossal fuck up of allowing a small group of rebels to infiltrate and steal the plans.
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 15:53 (seven years ago) link
This review convincingly reads it as such.
― rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 15:59 (seven years ago) link
I was totally down for a morose, everybdoy-dies suicide mission heist set n the Star Wars universe - just thought this was a mediocre version of that. JB on the F This Movie podcast (reliably their most enjoyable guest - he should have his own show!) brought up other people's comparisons to Guns of Navarone and, I think rightly, dismissed them - a Guns of Navarone type movie would be GREAT but this really doesn't work in the way that (or Dirty Dozen, or Great Escape, or...) does. There's an art and a craft to this kind of ''determined band on a mission'' movie.
Not to say that it has to be a formula! Just felt like the weakest parts of this (and the ones that seemed the most bolted-on by Disney/reshoots) were those that took it off course from that kind of Mission Movie, eating up screen time that could have gone to buildin investment in the characters, and turning the mission into miscellaneous video game obstacles announced at the last second.
I would have cut out the entire space battle (save the demolition derby stunt for Oscar Isaac in the next 'main' film), the ''rebel council'' crap, the ''your favorite characters'' coda, all the Tarkin stuff, and found a way to fold the frst-act Saw Guerrera stuff more coherently into the plot/character arcs. Use that time to have our heroes working out their plan, casing the joint, figuring out that they change the guards at a certain time of day etc etc. Give Jyn a real arc, give Saw something distinct to do. He should obviously be ON the team, but moreover there's potential there to really develop all the hinted father-figure themes and make this movie have something unique to contribute to the Star Wars trope of father figures and troubled children...
Like maybe, in the *course of the story*, through Jyn going through situations wth these two guys (rather than through isolated interactions with holograms and dying men), she comes to accept that - I'm in heavy rewrite territory here - both the father she put on a pedestal and the one she'd written off as a monster were, in the end, flawed but earnest men, who loved her and who tried in their seemingly opposite ways to redeem their lives and contribute to the greater good. That's just a sketch but I think the major pieces of the plot are there for it, and it'd give depth to a universe previously reliant on sort of abstract ideas like ''there is still good in him, I know it,'' and none of it would keep you from doing the awesome doomed-team heist movie.
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 16:05 (seven years ago) link
this is how I read it, too
Doctor Casino, that sounds like a really interesting movie but if they had done that, half the posters here would be all "omg noooo why did they Nolanize Star Wars"
― ¶ (DJP), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 16:07 (seven years ago) link
I'm still thinking about the lesson of not being the guy who is trying to get all the credit in the universe for the death star when your main role was that you figured out who to round up to get the giant laser to work.
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 16:13 (seven years ago) link
there was a strong theme of "middle-management is the devil"
― ¶ (DJP), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 16:15 (seven years ago) link
It's the "stand alone" movie - I think people would like it MORE if it had a stronger sense of its own "feel" - plus we just had TFA, no one had to fear that X-wings are gone forever and nothing will ever again feel like "classic Star Wars." Anyway I'm not proposing some dense brooding character study, just saying an adventure movie can also have themes and develop them clearly. Like, I dunno, Last Crusade might be a starting reference point. Darker than that, but you can wear your "child and father" story really blatantly and still work as an awesome popcorn movie. YMMV tho!
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 16:16 (seven years ago) link
They aren't going to actually make a true stand-alone SW movie, are they.
My biggest disappointment is that it looked like the extremists had a wampa among their ranks but we never actually saw more than a few seconds of it so I don't know if it was actually a wampa but I'm just going to assume it was a wampa and wonder why the hell we didn't see more wampa-on-Imperial action.
― DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 16:20 (seven years ago) link
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Moroff
― ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 16:24 (seven years ago) link
^ I didn't know this off hand I just felt like looking it up
He is badass. I wished there had been more of him too.
― how's life, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 16:28 (seven years ago) link
http://resizing.flixster.com/6Q57-F-KYT5rbGR_W_DarHETivM=/800x1200/v1.bTsxMTIxNTAyMjtqOzE3MzA2OzIwNDg7MTAwMDsxNTAw
― rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 16:31 (seven years ago) link
I remember looking at the ads for this as an 11-year-old and thinking "wow this looks unwatchable"
― ¶ (DJP), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 16:33 (seven years ago) link
I definitely saw it before I ever saw Empire, and possibly even before I saw the other two of the OT as well. Can't remember a thing about it anymore, though.
― rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 16:34 (seven years ago) link
+looked goodno desert planettropical imperial libraryxwing crashing into closed forcefield gatewry droid was a good ideathat bad guy's outfitlol at all the villains being white menthere were a lot of people with good facesthat creepy tentacle beast that forest whitaker loved
-the characters & the total lack of any sense of their interior lives & concomitant lack of humour or charismathe lack of new stuff & the crowbarring in of old stuff (cgi peter cushing & carrie fisher being the most gratuitous) - when they do this it makes the world seem smaller, as if the original films didn't hint at a vast universe so much as delineate the borders of a small onev grey/'adult'/unmagical sense of despair & pointlessness which the terrible inspirational speeches and dialogue only strengthened
― ogmor, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 16:39 (seven years ago) link
I think I was at just the right age when Caravan of Courage was aired such that it felt qualitatively comparable to the original trilogy. I was way into it. But even as an eight-year-old I knew that the second one was a total piece of shit.
― DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 16:41 (seven years ago) link
the lack of new stuff & the crowbarring in of old stuff (cgi peter cushing & carrie fisher being the most gratuitous) - when they do this it makes the world seem smaller, as if the original films didn't hint at a vast universe so much as delineate the borders of a small one
my biggest problem with the prequels
― 龜, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 17:20 (seven years ago) link
My biggest problems with the prequels were the racism and fart jokes, but it is a long list.
― rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 17:22 (seven years ago) link
My biggest problem was the sand. I hate sand.
― DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 17:25 (seven years ago) link
And younglings.
― DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 17:26 (seven years ago) link
Use that time to have our heroes working out their plan, casing the joint, figuring out that they change the guards at a certain time of day etc etc. Give Jyn a real arc, give Saw something distinct to do. He should obviously be ON the team, but moreover there's potential there to really develop all the hinted father-figure themes and make this movie have something unique to contribute to the Star Wars trope of father figures and troubled children...
Yes. This would have been a way better movie that aged well completely aside from being Star Wars canon. I wouldn't have had the feeling I got from TFA--I watched the whole thing and at the end I was still waiting for a story to happen, a story with characters you could care about instead of just watching disembodied events take place.
Rogue One was significantly better but I still agree w the Doc that it had more potential. I enjoyed the Dubai-esque Imperial archive planet and the planetary forcefield, watching Rebel pilots try to get in before it closed but not knowing if they would make it or not, just gunning it because those were their orders. Overall I thought RO brought a lot of gravitas to the glossy, superhero-fairy-tale-ish ness of the Luke and Leia story, in which everything just opened up for them because of who they were, innately. Rogue One was the flip side--the gritty, flawed, morally questionable people who die to advance causes. The way the Rebels had been basically carrying a campaign of guerilla warfare/terrorism with their own citizens as collateral damage. More of a movie for adults, not a fairy tale for children. (Of course it's still a fairy tale for adults but ykwim....)
― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 17:26 (seven years ago) link
These are children's films, and my problem with this new one, I suppose, is that I don't want them to be anything other than children's films. The question should be whether they are fun, entertaining children's films (like the OT) or stupid, condescending children's films (like Phantom Menace).
― rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 17:32 (seven years ago) link
been thinking that the darth vader scene at the end was good to juxtapose against yoda's first appearance in battle in the prequels - like they knew how corny/lame that was and wanted to give vader something appropriately badass
― 龜, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 17:50 (seven years ago) link
idk how I would feel about some of the suggestions above - Star Wars has never been about 'process' - we always were told a 'rebel spy ship stole the plans' offscreen or 'we acquired this information' offscreen in past Star Wars movies. it generally doesn't like to show us how the sausage was made and the moment we did get that in this movie (the whole comms tower thing), fans are p split on whether they liked!
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 17:51 (seven years ago) link
unfortunately it raises the continuity issue of why his fight with obi wan was so slow and bad. my theory - he can only do the badass thing once after each bacta bath, then his joints get creaky and he has to take his arthritis pills.
― 龜, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 17:51 (seven years ago) link
Given the nature of the heist, everything kinda went down the way one might expect, but given that this was a Star Wars movie, I was legitimately surprised that EVERYONE died.
My girlfriend was as well. I kinda figured El Tomboto was right with thinking nearly everyone would get it but then they went ahead and that was that -- and I was mildly surprised, I guess, but by that point in the movie I wasn't shocked.
More of a movie for adults, not a fairy tale for children. (Of course it's still a fairy tale for adults but ykwim....)
Trace Beaulieu (ex-MST3K etc) said on The Mads Are Back that he felt it was for 'people who had grown up with Star Wars who are grown up.' Pithy but as a basic summary of intended audience, hard to beat (which is why I'm kinda interested in hearing from younger viewers -- my cousin's son, 11 or so, has been a massive SW fan for some years now, and I'll be interested in his reaction when we chat next).
A bit of a clever move I've (obviously over)thought about: following TFA with an ultimately downer/serious standalone is a good way to acknowledge gravitas via the mass market, and there's always been that wing of active Star Wars fandom. If you're in it for the thrill ride and fun times more than anything else, though, having the next standalone be young Han Solo (and Lando) couldn't be better. Again, overthinking here, but 'expanded universes' however defined -- Trek, Who, et al all count here kinda but let's use SW as the baseline for this take -- tend to operate on the principle that the core stuff is strictly the down-the-line cinematic productions while anything producing more of an overt political or serious or (alternately) a completely insanely goofy and totally light-hearted etc. bent is written about in novels (and fanfic etc.), or more latterly potentially put into homemade productions or official video games or the like. Filoni's work cracked the door open a bit if only to a degree but R1 and Young Han Solo in combination as top of the line cinema productions could really obliterate the line, potentially.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 18:03 (seven years ago) link
It's not obliterating the line as much as drawing it between The Star Wars Films (gets a number) and Star Wars Stories.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 18:12 (seven years ago) link
Yes and no, I think. Essentially Disney etc. is going "Okay mass world audience, you have to understand this -- there are two strains of film here and they're not only both legit and all ultimately interrelated, they're all big event films, and you gotta pay attention." Which, of course, is exactly what the shareholders want to happen etc. etc. It's not some impossible task, but it is a new next level.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 18:40 (seven years ago) link
imo the costuming, crowds of aliens, and a lot of the background details in this were top notch and made Force Awakens look suspiciously uncluttered, although you could explain that away with the types of cities/bases shown
I'm also envious of the fact the Star Wars world has standardized on one type of computer interface to the extent people have little pockets on their clothes with their code key/storage devices tucked in, and it's the same sort of port droids use to connect to computers -- and other droids!
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 19:21 (seven years ago) link
ok, two of them if you count the hard drive/tape type of things that they got from the storage room that fit into the transmitter tower
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 19:22 (seven years ago) link
Of interest:
https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/rogue-ones-editors-reveal-scenes-added-in-the-star-wars-standalone-reshoots-exclusive-110124381.html
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 19:43 (seven years ago) link
Gotta say, I didn't really expect this, but I'm not surprised, if you will:
Colin Goudie: I’d worked with Gareth Edwards previously. I cut his movie ‘Monsters’ so we’d already got a relationship and I’d actually done a couple of projects with him before that as well. So he got me on board in September of 2014 and asked me to do a story reel for ‘Rogue One’.There was no screenplay, there was just a story breakdown at that point, scene by scene. He got me to rip hundreds of movies and basically make ‘Rogue One’ using other films so that they could work out how much dialogue they actually needed in the film.It’s very simple to have a line (in the script) that reads “Krennic’s shuttle descends to the planet”, now that takes maybe 2-3 minutes in other films, but if you look at any other ‘Star Wars’ film you realise that only takes 45 seconds or a minute of screen time. So by making the whole film that way – I used a lot of the ‘Star Wars’ films – but also hundreds of other films too, it gave us a good idea of the timing.For example the sequence of them breaking into the vault I was ripping the big door closing in ‘Wargames’ to work out how long does a vault door take to close.So that’s what I did and that was three months work to do that and that had captions at the bottom which explained the action that was going to be taking place, and two thirds of the screen was filled with the concept art that had already been done and one quarter, the bottom corner, was the little movie clip to give you how long that scene would actually take.Then I used dialogue from other movies to give you a sense of how long it would take in other films for someone to be interrogated. So for instance, when Jyn gets interrogated at the beginning of the film by the Rebel council, I used the scene where Ripley gets interrogated in ‘Aliens’.So you get an idea of what movies usually do.
There was no screenplay, there was just a story breakdown at that point, scene by scene. He got me to rip hundreds of movies and basically make ‘Rogue One’ using other films so that they could work out how much dialogue they actually needed in the film.
It’s very simple to have a line (in the script) that reads “Krennic’s shuttle descends to the planet”, now that takes maybe 2-3 minutes in other films, but if you look at any other ‘Star Wars’ film you realise that only takes 45 seconds or a minute of screen time. So by making the whole film that way – I used a lot of the ‘Star Wars’ films – but also hundreds of other films too, it gave us a good idea of the timing.
For example the sequence of them breaking into the vault I was ripping the big door closing in ‘Wargames’ to work out how long does a vault door take to close.
So that’s what I did and that was three months work to do that and that had captions at the bottom which explained the action that was going to be taking place, and two thirds of the screen was filled with the concept art that had already been done and one quarter, the bottom corner, was the little movie clip to give you how long that scene would actually take.
Then I used dialogue from other movies to give you a sense of how long it would take in other films for someone to be interrogated. So for instance, when Jyn gets interrogated at the beginning of the film by the Rebel council, I used the scene where Ripley gets interrogated in ‘Aliens’.
So you get an idea of what movies usually do.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 19:46 (seven years ago) link
man, Luna and Ahmed's characters must have been serious non-entities in the original cut
― Number None, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 20:21 (seven years ago) link
Wow that mockup process. Jesus. So not only do they temp track the whole film score these days, they temp track the film itself!
― his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 20:46 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, wow, how typical is that? It sounds like such an insane way to begin making a movie.
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 20:49 (seven years ago) link
Most highly processed snack foods begin existence in a huge vat, as a slurry, which is then extruded into the desired shape and subjected to a brief, mechanized heating process before being parceled into packages and crated up for delivery across the sales region.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 20:54 (seven years ago) link
Lucas temped the Death Star attack in ANH with footage from The Dam Busters and other movies, right?
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 20:56 (seven years ago) link
He did.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 20:56 (seven years ago) link
I'll take well-crafted pastiche if an artist lacks a unique vision and genuine inspiration. This shit's a multigenerational franchise, so I don't really demand high art.
― DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 21:00 (seven years ago) link
This is sorta expanding Lucas' method for making animatics for ANH, where he cut together footage from WW2 movies and guncams to put in place of finished efx shots.
Looks this stuff up, I found a new tidbit:
While you might be familiar with the big Corellian ships piloted by the likes of Han Solo, did you know about the Karelian Isthmus, a lake-dotted stretch of land in Northwest Russia where the Finns and Soviets fought the Winter War during the earliest days of the World War II? Or did you know that during the war, making a “kessel” run would have referred to German pilots trying to supply troops encircled by the Soviet army after the battle of Stalingrad? Kessel, or “cauldron” in German, was the term used to describe any such encirclement.
http://www.starwars.com/news/from-world-war-to-star-wars-the-millennium-falcon
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 21:03 (seven years ago) link
Xp
I can't believe I hadn't figured it out before (mainly because I guess I was looking at different common threads between Monsters and Godzilla) but having a giant, massive thing smash into another giant, massive thing is one of Gareth Edwards' calling cards
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 22:25 (seven years ago) link
so this was really good apart from not using the music and the creepy digital faces
― loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 22:44 (seven years ago) link
Clearly unintentional given the production schedule but this felt like a very strong anti-Trump call to arms to me. But then pretty much everything feels like that to me these days.― DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 15:40 (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
gosh stop
― loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 23:07 (seven years ago) link
from the face he makes, I half expected Krennic to shout "I'm not even supposed to BE HERE TODAY" when he sees the Death Star emerge from orbit on Skarif.
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 23:16 (seven years ago) link
alright guys i finally watched this. the whole thing! lol everyone was right to rag on me for that, i hate when people do that.
it was good, most of the rebels were pretty interesting, the main villain kinda forgettable, the OT pandering well i went over that before i saw the full film and i stand by all of it. they re-created the Death Star firing sequence from the original film TWICE.
Vader's castle was a letdown. i was hoping for something looking more like a castle. the medieval influence seems to be waning in the series.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 23:35 (seven years ago) link
there was no main villain tbf
― loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 00:02 (seven years ago) link
The villain was free trade
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 00:10 (seven years ago) link
Movie wd be a lot stronger if Krennic had just been allowed to be the villain, with maybe ONE scene where he's interacting with Tarkin's back or Vader over a transmission, scared shitless in a ''the Emperor is coming here?!'' kind of way. I mean there's something potENTially interesting abt a villain whose motive is feeling like higher-ups are stealing all the credit for his work (perhaps some scriptwriter's fist to the sky) but it doesn't really work in this movie or lock in thematically with anything else that's happening. Maybe, to differentiate the Empire from the Rebels (and to highlight Le Chiffre's and Endo's choices), he should have been like, all about following orders and seeing the thing through, the glory to be found in discipline and rules... so he's like the ''dark side'' of the rebels who follow orders (that come from good intentions) or of the monks with their own disciplines. Or SOMEthing. Instead he starts off so sinister and interesting and by the end just seems petulant and hapless. You could write a great movie around that transition, but they didn't.
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 00:36 (seven years ago) link
Main villain was Master Switch iirc.
― DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 00:47 (seven years ago) link
ha
― loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:02 (seven years ago) link
xxp It's actually interesting in this light to have read the Catalyst novel in which Krennic gaslights Galen Erso into doing research for the Death Star laser for years under the auspices of "energy research."
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:23 (seven years ago) link
the scooby doo crossover when he pulls that mask off is a corker
― loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:26 (seven years ago) link
I was honestly surprised and disappointed to learn that Krennic, Erso, Saw, and perhaps others are all characters from the novels and shit. My one super geek franchise buddy, who loved Rogue One, was dismissing a lot of my story/character concerns with, like, ''well but it was awesome because it tied into this thing from this book'' and I was like ''but none of that is in this movie'' and he was like ''well none of the alien names from the original trilogy were in the movies either'' and I just sorta let it go because I love the guy. But he's seen it four or five times and clearly it's bringing him joy so who am I to judge?
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:30 (seven years ago) link
Saw was the only existing one. The others were from a single book that was written after the movie was in production as a tie-in. They're movie characters that got a pre-movie novel.
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:37 (seven years ago) link
fwiw the book was very much just tying a bullet list of characters backstory points the movie writers had, with some some emotional plot beats woven in and a couple minor characters thrown in the mix as glue
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:39 (seven years ago) link
huh okay well that's a little more normal then.
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:01 (seven years ago) link
still seems weird though that for some swath of the audience, Saw showing up on screen or even being mentioned is probably some like OH SHIT moment, while for the majority he's just some weird guy whose significance is deeply unclear.
for a moment i was afraid they were setting up some kind of general grievous connection, what with all the wheezing and the robot parts, but thankfully jimmy smits was enough in the way of garbage tie-ins between this prequel and The Prequels.
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:05 (seven years ago) link
tbh outside of a couple random mentions, Saw Gerrera was in like two or three episodes of a half hour cartoon four years ago.
I think the character is returning in the newer cartoon this week, since the Rebels cartoon takes place within a couple years of the Rogue One movie.
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 13:22 (seven years ago) link
He very much is returning and they're not shy about saying it.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 16:35 (seven years ago) link
shh I'm trying to pretend I don't spend hours every day absorbing Star Wars information
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 16:57 (seven years ago) link
Apparently someone else kind of important is coming to Rebels sometime this season.
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--J83nenZF--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/qhyysq7l0u7wfzwayjhi.jpg
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 17:21 (seven years ago) link
lol we should keep that ridiculousness on this threadStar Wars, Clone Wars, Rebels, Oh My
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 17:27 (seven years ago) link
Saw (along with quite a bit of Rebels stuff I believe) was originally conceived for the shelved live-action series
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Underworld
which they'd apparently written 50 episodes of before it was canned
― Number None, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 18:26 (seven years ago) link
I have no idea if that would have been any good
There was a video game in development that was canned that looked great in promos and there's a rumor they're giving the property to another studio?
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 18:41 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSnKgbDpV4Y
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 18:42 (seven years ago) link
Did those 50 scripts ever leak?
― his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 20:14 (seven years ago) link
yeah eminem comes across as a p misunderstood guy in some treatments
― loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 January 2017 11:37 (seven years ago) link
8 Parsec
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 5 January 2017 14:44 (seven years ago) link
I've created a Sith lord, ‘cause nobody wants toSee Annie no more, they want Vader, I'm chopped liverWell, if you want Vader, this is what I'll give yaA roomful of younglings killed with my light saberSome bacta that'll jump start my heart quickerThan the shock when I get all my limbs whittledBy my master when I'm not co-operatingThen I'm strapped to a table and I'm aspirating (Noooooooo!)
― DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Thursday, 5 January 2017 15:00 (seven years ago) link
RIP Star Wars Anthology Shit Talk thread
― ¶ (DJP), Thursday, 5 January 2017 15:11 (seven years ago) link
sorry for turning thraed into force ghost my dudes
― DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Thursday, 5 January 2017 15:14 (seven years ago) link
hahahaha no way that, that was great, especially "when i get all my limbs whittled"
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 5 January 2017 15:15 (seven years ago) link
that was amazing
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 5 January 2017 15:18 (seven years ago) link
weird ol lunchkovic
― nashwan, Thursday, 5 January 2017 15:24 (seven years ago) link
okay lol
― ¶ (DJP), Thursday, 5 January 2017 15:26 (seven years ago) link
a small suggestion: first line could potentially change to "I'm cremated on Mustafar" but that might not scan so well and it's great as is
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 5 January 2017 15:35 (seven years ago) link
The best strategy is to redirect me when I act out but thank u nonetheless.
― DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Thursday, 5 January 2017 16:04 (seven years ago) link
what thread did we ruin with diss verses a few years ago i reckon thats a worthy reboot
― loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 January 2017 16:23 (seven years ago) link
You literally spent like what 15 minutes on that? And it's great!! So much better than those Rap Battle videos that I can't even look up on youtube right now because I'm at work, but they keep having Vader battle Hitler and it's so bad.
― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Thursday, 5 January 2017 16:25 (seven years ago) link
You should pitch to them and write all their battles imo.
ol dirty lunch
― loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 January 2017 16:29 (seven years ago) link
I haven't listened to the songs from Hamilton, but I'm pretty sure that's better than Hamilton.
― mh 😏, Thursday, 5 January 2017 16:41 (seven years ago) link
BEG TO DIFFER
but it's still p good
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 January 2017 16:46 (seven years ago) link
it's no Star Wars Gangsta Rap
― Nhex, Thursday, 5 January 2017 17:06 (seven years ago) link
As someone who has devoted upwards of fifteen minutes to Eminem lyrics parody ILX posts in the past, and who in high school contemplated forming an anime-themed song parody act as a DragonCon-ready money-making scheme, I endorse Old Lunch's work and reject all comparisons to awful YouTube channels, name-branded geek parody operations, and DragonCon-ready money-making schemes.
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 5 January 2017 17:19 (seven years ago) link
I came in the doori said it beforeI never let a Jawa creep on me no more
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 5 January 2017 17:20 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3gf6qyAHOw
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 8 January 2017 01:55 (seven years ago) link
Speaking of videos, I assume this from a few weeks back was shared, which I must share again due to Ben Mendelsohn's none-more-Oz approach to a lot of this. I assume it will fill VG with thoughts of home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HRiRy-gooo
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 8 January 2017 03:22 (seven years ago) link
i love this vid so much. Ben is the best
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 8 January 2017 05:38 (seven years ago) link
i had no idea Tudyk was the robot.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 8 January 2017 06:27 (seven years ago) link
VG, i assume you know the film Idiot Box? He is great in that.
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Sunday, 8 January 2017 08:01 (seven years ago) link
yes! i think i saw that in the theater? good stuff
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 8 January 2017 15:44 (seven years ago) link
He's great in most things he's been in, especially Animal Kingdom.
― groovypanda, Sunday, 8 January 2017 20:54 (seven years ago) link
is Diego Luna a loveable dork
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Sunday, 8 January 2017 21:18 (seven years ago) link
Felicity Jones is lovely. I wish we had more of her in star wars.
― akm, Sunday, 8 January 2017 21:27 (seven years ago) link
Im sure theres pieces of her floating in the galaxy
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 8 January 2017 22:13 (seven years ago) link
The girl in Tracer Hand's video is right that there are bad things about this film, and I'm quite convinced by some of her observations; but she should put it on a relevant scale of comparison, like ... maybe ... other Star Wars films since 1983 or 1980. It's not going to be THE PHILADELPHIA STORY.
― the pinefox, Monday, 9 January 2017 13:00 (seven years ago) link
The only part I disagreed with was that characters have to have an arc in order for the viewer to care about them (which is not always true) and then the rest of her arguments are all predicated on that.
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Monday, 9 January 2017 18:13 (seven years ago) link
lol OTM
― ¶ (DJP), Monday, 9 January 2017 18:31 (seven years ago) link
I saw this yesterday. It was okay. Just another movie. I liked Ben Mendelsohn and the visual of the Star Destroyer over the Jedha plateau.
― jmm, Monday, 9 January 2017 18:40 (seven years ago) link
xxp the complaint about the characters all dying in similar ways is stupid. It's a war movie. It's like complaining about all the characters in Saving Private Ryan getting shot or blown up. That's . . .how wars work?
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Monday, 9 January 2017 18:43 (seven years ago) link
I think her long painstaking complaint video is very odd because she's some kind of big STAR WARS fan, and however poor it is, this is the best STAR WARS film in over 30 years ... I mean, does she have even longer and more detailed videos complaining about every other STAR WARS film since 1980 or so? Maybe she should just ... consider that she perhaps doesn't like STAR WARS that much?
― the pinefox, Monday, 9 January 2017 18:52 (seven years ago) link
I'm entirely in favour of detailed complaint videos. This is what the internet is for.
― jmm, Monday, 9 January 2017 19:06 (seven years ago) link
Why are STAR WARS films set off by themselves in this way though? It seems like a weird boundary to draw around something. Why not compare them to other action-adventure movies generally? One thing RLM did that I liked was bringing in things like Star Trek (2009) or the sword fight in Die Another Day to say, look, there are more interesting and exciting ways of shooting things like crises in space or lightsaber duels. I feel like when people go to see things like Fast and the Furious they are comfortable saying they liked the action better in Mission Impossible (or whatever).
Plus until last year all the STAR WARS films since Jedi were terrible, something acknowledged by a great number of STAR WARS fans, so insisting that they be accepted as a standard seems like a really really low bar, idk.
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Monday, 9 January 2017 19:13 (seven years ago) link
yeah that's a ridiculous argument. I won't be watching the video, but it's perfectly reasonable to judge Rogue One by standards other than its quality relative to other Star Wars movies. Might as well just give up and go home otherwise. Although...
― Number None, Monday, 9 January 2017 19:16 (seven years ago) link
I think I was saying, she seems to be coming on as a big STAR WARS fan, but she doesn't like the best recent SW film, so maybe she should rethink her starting point.
Maybe I have misunderstood and she doesn't actually like SW much, and the droid in the background etc is just a one-off joke for this video.
I think it's OK for people who don't like SW to criticize SW, and compare it unfavourably to other films, if they want.
Is she RLM? I don't know her name, haven't seen her before.
― the pinefox, Monday, 9 January 2017 19:33 (seven years ago) link
maybe she likes star wars in a different way than you like star wars
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 9 January 2017 19:34 (seven years ago) link
Maybe she likes Force Awakens more. I like Force Awakens more.
― jmm, Monday, 9 January 2017 19:34 (seven years ago) link
like the pop-culture-opinions-as-objective-truth thing here is metacritic user comments level
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 9 January 2017 19:37 (seven years ago) link
PF: "RLM" is Red Letter Media, some podcast / youtube guys who watch these movies a lot and then rant about them, as one does
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Monday, 9 January 2017 19:57 (seven years ago) link
...spliced in with weird torture skits
― Nhex, Monday, 9 January 2017 22:50 (seven years ago) link
Woody Harrelson (!) joins cast of Young Han Solo film.
http://www.starwars.com/news/woody-harrelson-signs-on-for-young-han-solo-film
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 16:43 (seven years ago) link
I don't think I want to see his face popping up in Star Wars.
― how's life, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 16:49 (seven years ago) link
Eh, they'll give him some pointed ears and a unibrow or whatever they do to those Star War characters and you won't even know it's him.
― Gorvernment Stoodge (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 16:55 (seven years ago) link
I hope he plays the exact same character he played in The Hunger Games. Not the same type; I want Haymitch Abernathy to show up.
― (The caption: “fine dining.”) (DJP), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 16:57 (seven years ago) link
xxp: I'm sure he'll do a great job acting, and I'm sure they'll do a great job with him. It's just that his face really leaps out at me as "oh hey, that's Woody Harrelson from the zillion other things I've seen him in" moreso than many other actors.
Yeah I was going to say "maybe they'll mo-cap him".
― how's life, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 16:58 (seven years ago) link
he'll play a wise-cracking stoner robot.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:15 (seven years ago) link
I must admit I had the exact same thought as DJP
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:17 (seven years ago) link
He'll be an out of work dealer who used to sell weed to young students at the Jedi Temple. "Yeah it was a sweet ride but the Empire shut the place down, man."
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:21 (seven years ago) link
Dogged detective (also half dog)
― nashwan, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:08 (seven years ago) link
I think Woody Harrelson should put a rider into all of his contracts that mandates whatever project he works on has to do rewrites in order to include the reveal that his character has secretly been Haymitch this whole time.
― (The caption: “fine dining.”) (DJP), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:13 (seven years ago) link
imo Haymitch, before he became a Hunger Games participant, was a folksy bartender but the games... changed him
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:42 (seven years ago) link
I see you see where I was eventually going with all of this
― (The caption: “fine dining.”) (DJP), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 19:38 (seven years ago) link
i wonder if they made frazier today, they'd CG cap kelsey grammar to be his own brother instead of hiring david hyde pierce.would be nice to see uncanny valley coach.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 19:55 (seven years ago) link
Not happy about Woody news. Think this might be where I get off the ship. Then again I had the same reaction about Forest Whitaker.
― calstars, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 20:30 (seven years ago) link
and he turned out to be great!
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 20:34 (seven years ago) link
if woody is anything other than a grizzled mentor-type smuggler to young han solo who dies at the end of the first act, his ship incinerated by Boba Fett in a bounty beef, i'd be shocked.
― nomar, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 20:35 (seven years ago) link
"Naw, Greedo. Ah am your father."
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 20:37 (seven years ago) link
Confirmed: Woody playing Jabba the Hutt.
― Gorvernment Stoodge (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 20:38 (seven years ago) link
No CGI or anything. Just Harrelson in tighty whities chilling on a dais and eating frogs.
― Gorvernment Stoodge (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 20:40 (seven years ago) link
that's so woody
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 20:41 (seven years ago) link
(the frogs are animated in post-production due to his veganism)
they could just make them out of seitan
― (The caption: “fine dining.”) (DJP), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 20:42 (seven years ago) link
that's what they did in zombieland iirc for the twinkies
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 20:45 (seven years ago) link
Woody's a solid actor, he'll be fine
― Nhex, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 20:53 (seven years ago) link
No, I think he's mostly liquid like the rest of us.
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 20:54 (seven years ago) link
It could be a fun movie, but I'm not sure a conventional moral arc will work. Han learns to overcome self-interest in A New Hope. That's already basically an origin story. This movie is going to have end with him not being a hero.
― jmm, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 20:57 (seven years ago) link
no they will cover that plot hole in the next movie, Young Han Solo: The Death Star
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 21:03 (seven years ago) link
woody's going to be the grizzled space-gambler from whom han wins the millennium falcon
― hunk of poo, big fart, girlfriend, and Dove soap (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 21:05 (seven years ago) link
i'd be down with woody as space-haymitch but i'd rather he reprised his role from kingpin as a space-bowler
― hunk of poo, big fart, girlfriend, and Dove soap (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 21:07 (seven years ago) link
The three Brian Daley Han Solo paperbacks from the late seventies could serve as a basic model -- Han getting into scrapes etc. but with a moral code that surfaces as it does.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 21:07 (seven years ago) link
I'm hardly the first to observe it but the entire idea of doing a Young Han Solo movie is moronic for exactly the reason jmm points out - Han's story is that he's a rogue who becomes a hero. We already saw that and there's really nothing to see before that story starts. The only reason to make a prequel is as a cash-grab serving fannish "BUT I WANNA KNOW WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE" impulses. The only way to write it, I expect, will be to gin up some wheels-spinning crap that doesn't matter at all. Most likely they reveal that Han was once an idealistic guy who in the course of the movie fights for good, but at the climax when he beats the bad guys he also loses in some way (ten bucks says his love interest is killed, or maybe the family farm he was saving up for gets burned down in retaliation with cheap echoes of the Lars farm in the original film) and he buries his heart and soul and so on. Heavy borrowings from Casino Royale, plus some space chase hijincks with college buddy Lando in his souped-up spaceship (Lando: "I'm thinking of calling it 'The Falcon'" Han: "Shyeah, that'd be a cool name... IN THE LAST MILLENNIUM"), and a pointless cameo from, idk, IG-88 and you've got yourself an $800 million box office. Hooray.
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 21:09 (seven years ago) link
Like I'm potentially open to spinoff movies in what once seemed like this vast and exciting universe with new stories to be told around every corner, but if all they can come up with is "more prequels, but this time they won't look like shit and the scripts/acting will be baseline competent" it's a pretty sad indictment of the entire enterprise.
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 21:13 (seven years ago) link
yeah, I'd certainly prefer it if they chose to explore this vast and exciting universe with new characters in new situations - rogue one was a half-step in the right direction, although still ultimately married to the original trilogy, but a solo-Solo movie is like two steps back again
― hunk of poo, big fart, girlfriend, and Dove soap (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 21:17 (seven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1y9DvrXgAATEA9.jpg:large
OK, which one of you started asking the Star Wars canon guru my questions?https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/818884677125607426
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 21:18 (seven years ago) link
although i'd be lying if i said i wasn't excited about the forthcoming droids trilogy starring r2d2 and c3po
― hunk of poo, big fart, girlfriend, and Dove soap (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 21:19 (seven years ago) link
sorry, first link was supposed to be a link to the image in this tweethttps://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/818737112459530240
(Han Solo film spoilers!!)
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 21:20 (seven years ago) link
fwiw I think I owned this magazine
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 21:21 (seven years ago) link
pablo hidalgo dodges the vader-dick question, further fuelling fan speculation that Rey will be revealed to be cloned from vader's severed dick during ep viii
― hunk of poo, big fart, girlfriend, and Dove soap (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 21:22 (seven years ago) link
I kind of want to invite the woman postulating about "Ani's nut juice" on twitter to ilx
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 21:24 (seven years ago) link
i did enjoy this from the replies:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C11HV1_VIAAH6dy.jpg
― hunk of poo, big fart, girlfriend, and Dove soap (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 21:25 (seven years ago) link
The Woody mentor character will die as a direct consequence of not having shot first.
― jmm, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 21:28 (seven years ago) link
Most likely they reveal that Han was once an idealistic guy who in the course of the movie fights for good, but at the climax when he beats the bad guys he also loses in some way (ten bucks says his love interest is killed, or maybe the family farm he was saving up for gets burned down in retaliation with cheap echoes of the Lars farm in the original film) and he buries his heart and soul and so on.
Thinking about this more, it seems to me that anything they do along these lines will get the character wrong. Han in Episode IV doesn't come across as tormented. He comes across like a guy who finds it natural to live a certain way and has his perspective broadened. He's supposed to be superficial. It will be difficult to work a Star Wars-style fable out of that.
― jmm, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 23:47 (seven years ago) link
a) this is by Miller and Lord, it will be fineb) there was a lot of "a prequel for the plans would be totally pointless", it will be fine.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 23:57 (seven years ago) link
it will be cool to see young Han raised by wookies. maybe Lumpy makes a cameo.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 23:59 (seven years ago) link
this is by Miller and Lord, it will be fine
Quite.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 January 2017 00:00 (seven years ago) link
I don't see what could be much wrong with a story about a happy-go-lucky Han Solo adventuring roguishly, buying, selling, gambling, smuggling and quipping, and not developing at all beyond such concerns. Would make a change from the usual nonsense about the Force. Come to think of it, sounds like it ought to be the best Star Wars film ever.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 12 January 2017 00:05 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, I can see it working if it's more like Indiana Jones.
― jmm, Thursday, 12 January 2017 00:27 (seven years ago) link
Maybe they'll just use stock footage from Patriot Games
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 12 January 2017 00:29 (seven years ago) link
at least finally we are going to get to see Jabba the Hutt flipping around with a lightsaber cutting guys left and right just like we always imagined
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 12 January 2017 00:30 (seven years ago) link
that green rabbit guy should be in this
― great Canadian prog-psych debut from 1969 (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 12 January 2017 00:35 (seven years ago) link
http://orig03.deviantart.net/28d8/f/2011/323/6/f/bucky_o__hare_by_fou_lo-d4go1q7.png
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Thursday, 12 January 2017 00:37 (seven years ago) link
Only if they keep the original dialogue:
http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2014/09/star-wars-008-6-106521.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 January 2017 00:47 (seven years ago) link
Which, now that I see it again in full, they might as well do since it can be their very own Rocket Raccoon.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 January 2017 00:48 (seven years ago) link
that patton oswalt thing from Parks & Rec is entirely possible
― great Canadian prog-psych debut from 1969 (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 12 January 2017 00:52 (seven years ago) link
hm... so that's why disney has been buying up all the genre properties...
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 12 January 2017 01:06 (seven years ago) link
a pointless cameo from, idk, IG-88
NOTHING ABOUT IG-88 IS POINTLESS
***runs off sobbing***
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Thursday, 12 January 2017 01:46 (seven years ago) link
there was a lot of "a prequel for the plans would be totally pointless"
It was totally pointless! To be honest, even allowing for that pointlessness, if they'd made a better movie out of it, I might have accepted it and would now be extending SLIGHTLY more credit to the upcoming adventures of The Solo Kid - "well it's going to be totally pointless but so far their totally pointless space adventure prequels have been great escapist fun." Instead they made a kind of semi-competent blah forgettable space movie totally fumbling its ostensible war-slash-heist-mission sales pitch (with a few scattered highlights) and it's just like ughhhh enough already.
OTOH I guess it'll be fun in a few years when we poll the Star Wars prequels and people actually have to choose between Attack of the Clones, Biggs and Wedge: Shipwrecked on Dantooine and the Caravan of Courage reboot explaining how Wicket came to live in the Ewok Village Action Playset.
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 12 January 2017 01:56 (seven years ago) link
still waiting for the side story that explains that one time darth vader teamed up with the decepticons and megatron turned him into a TIE fighter.
http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/thumb/2/26/SWTFtoy-VaderTIE.JPG/800px-SWTFtoy-VaderTIE.JPG
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 12 January 2017 02:02 (seven years ago) link
When I was at that Transformers convention to help my friend at his booth selling toys, I met the guy who did the voice for that toy. Not the Vader voice for anything else, I think, just for... that toy
― mh 😏, Thursday, 12 January 2017 02:40 (seven years ago) link
Sorry DC, forgot you were a "this excellent movie was not in fact excellent" truther :)
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 12 January 2017 09:44 (seven years ago) link
― trilby mouth (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 January 2017 09:52 (seven years ago) link
Hey guys, wouldn't it be cool if the Han Solo spinoff took place in the gap in the first Star Wars movie between when he left the Rebels, and when he returned to help Luke blow up the Death Star? I mean, we never found out why he changed his mind, did we? It needs to be explained! The movie could take place in real time, with Han sitting in the cockpit and having visions of his past. And Harrelson could play, like, an old, dead mentor of his, who also serves as the Ghost of Life Day Future, showing what an asshole he will become if he doesn't turn back and help his buddies. Wouldn't this be great?
― Tuomas, Thursday, 12 January 2017 10:29 (seven years ago) link
Yes
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Thursday, 12 January 2017 14:01 (seven years ago) link
Then Harrelson's force ghost is also killed, and Han gets stuck in the evil timeline and has to blow up that Death Star to get home. Thus giving him the change of heart to help Luke and friends.
― jmm, Thursday, 12 January 2017 14:04 (seven years ago) link
I'm thinking more like Woody in that scenario is the concierge to Han's lobby boy a la Grand Budapest Hotel
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Thursday, 12 January 2017 14:05 (seven years ago) link
What I'd like to see is a series of movies that runs parallel to the original trilogy but that shows us what the characters who weren't onscreen in a given scene were up to. Like a companion to A New Hope where the first half is mostly just Leia trying to figure out how to entertain herself while sitting in her cell.
― Gorvernment Stoodge (Old Lunch), Thursday, 12 January 2017 14:15 (seven years ago) link
2 hours of Luke in the bacta tank
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 12 January 2017 14:34 (seven years ago) link
No no a real Minutt for Minutt film of the search for Luke in the snowspeeders
Norway is Hoth after all
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Thursday, 12 January 2017 14:37 (seven years ago) link
Where did the other probe droids end up? What did they see?
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Thursday, 12 January 2017 14:41 (seven years ago) link
i'd like an ice-age style animated comedy set on hoth starring the wampa which eventually becomes luke's sleeping bag in empire
― hunk of poo, big fart, girlfriend, and Dove soap (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 12 January 2017 14:43 (seven years ago) link
or maybe a fish-out-of-water comedy with a wampa trying to adapt to life on the lava plains of mustafar
― hunk of poo, big fart, girlfriend, and Dove soap (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 12 January 2017 14:44 (seven years ago) link
That writes itself! The wampa struggling to breathe for the first ten minutes, and then lying dead for an hour and forty-five minutes.
― jmm, Thursday, 12 January 2017 14:49 (seven years ago) link
A Day in the Star Wars bar, done like Cheers
― Ste, Thursday, 12 January 2017 14:50 (seven years ago) link
xps: you're thinking of a tauntaun.
― how's life, Thursday, 12 January 2017 14:56 (seven years ago) link
you're right! which leads to to wonder whether the star wars universe needs an odd couple-style sitcom with a wampa and a tauntaun struggling to live together in a cave on hoth
― hunk of poo, big fart, girlfriend, and Dove soap (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 12 January 2017 14:59 (seven years ago) link
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Thursday, January 12, 2017
Priceless!
― the pinefox, Thursday, 12 January 2017 15:09 (seven years ago) link
― Ste, Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:50 AM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzXKySxPFCI
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Thursday, 12 January 2017 15:10 (seven years ago) link
I'm kind of surprised I haven't read any articles breaking down the parallels between the Jedi lore in Rogue One and Islam. Pilgrims journeying through Jedha (Jeddah) to seek out kyber crystals (the black rock embedded in the Kaaba?).
― mh 😏, Saturday, 14 January 2017 18:13 (seven years ago) link
i thought this was great! looked and sounded great, good script, great cast. i enjoyed the sense of tragedy and sacrifice, and the dirtiness of an insurgency. good job everyone.
with his politician hair and white cape i was kind of hoping the badguy would be an easygoing california technocrat -- the kind of charismatic and metric-obsessed "builder" you'd put in charge of a major tech project -- instead of another snarling old world fascist, but you can't push the mythos too far i guess
― goole, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 16:34 (seven years ago) link
imo he was a middle manager who thought that leaning hard on talented employees and passing off the work as his own would lead to success but nobody in the chain of command bought it
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 16:46 (seven years ago) link
https://frinkiac.com/img/S08E02/603418.jpg
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 16:47 (seven years ago) link
Value-free technocrat who Gets Things Done while pressing forth an ostensibly "inevitable" technological development is a great and timely idea for a villain, especially when you do have the option of leaning on Darth Vader for more direct creepiness and visceral terror, etc. Another missed opportunity.
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 17:27 (seven years ago) link
there are hints of this possibility in the flashbacks of jyn's childhood -- two bright tech men, one who easily made his peace with empire and one who couldn't
probably shouldn't wish for SW to conform to our own sense of the villainous tho
― goole, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 18:12 (seven years ago) link
I must wait until a high definition home release is available, but I am pretty sure the Vader in tank scene confirmed Vader has no dick― mh 😏, Saturday, December 31, 2016 10:15 AM (two weeks ago) it was floating separate in the tank, could see it in the upper left of the screen, either it's detachable or he keeps it for sentimental reasons― qualx, Saturday, December 31, 2016 10:24 AM (two weeks ago)
― mh 😏, Saturday, December 31, 2016 10:15 AM (two weeks ago)
― qualx, Saturday, December 31, 2016 10:24 AM (two weeks ago)
Etc. etc. but I must note that Rob Bricken (yes I know) has made a claim:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/how-star-wars-should-handle-carrie-fishers-death-1791386407
Q. Anakin’s penis—did it survive or had he been unable to get any sexual release since Revenge of the Sith? That would explain a lot of anger we saw in the original trilogy.A. Gone baby gone. Remember, he was lying on volcanic rock that was so hot it set his clothes on fire. Cotton burns at 400 degrees. Third-degree burns happen with a six-second contact with something only 140 degrees hot. Anakin was lying down on the rock for at least five minutes before the Emperor picked him up.Lying face down. On his junk. Directly on what was essentially a lava beach.By the way, this was the first letter I received after announcing the postman’s return. Glad to see even though the Postman had to leave for a while, you guys never did.
A. Gone baby gone. Remember, he was lying on volcanic rock that was so hot it set his clothes on fire. Cotton burns at 400 degrees. Third-degree burns happen with a six-second contact with something only 140 degrees hot. Anakin was lying down on the rock for at least five minutes before the Emperor picked him up.
Lying face down. On his junk. Directly on what was essentially a lava beach.
By the way, this was the first letter I received after announcing the postman’s return. Glad to see even though the Postman had to leave for a while, you guys never did.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 January 2017 19:27 (seven years ago) link
Well, but that assumes clothes in the Star Wars universe are made with cotton, a plant that evolved in a far-away galaxy, perhaps a long time later.
― stein beck ii: the wrath of grapes (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 19 January 2017 19:44 (seven years ago) link
Are the clothes in the Star Wars movies cotton?
― "Nay" (Old Lunch), Thursday, 19 January 2017 19:53 (seven years ago) link
the touch, feel of microweavethe fabric of our lives
― (The caption: “fine dining.”) (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2017 19:54 (seven years ago) link
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OqcNjJS6SR4C&pg=PT230&lpg=PT230&dq=suliana+cotton&source=bl&ots=tS4CuH3ELb&sig=OhwpuY1dNC-d33c-dCklGDJQu-M&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjN59f4_c7RAhXhL8AKHTWlCSIQ6AEIIjAB#v=onepage&q=suliana%20cotton&f=false
confirmation that cotton exists in the star wars universe. i also fear that there could be a grand moff tarkin sex scene either preceding or following this passage so scroll around at your peril
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 19 January 2017 19:55 (seven years ago) link
sorry, that's part of the legends area, may not be canon
― mh 😏, Thursday, 19 January 2017 19:55 (seven years ago) link
the touch, feel of canonthe fabric of our existence
― (The caption: “fine dining.”) (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2017 19:56 (seven years ago) link
presumes lava is a 400 degree substance on that planet, that elevated midichlorian levels dont protect cock and that george lucas even knows about penises
― trilby mouth (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2017 23:36 (seven years ago) link
A friend of mine posted this photo on FB and tagged me -- it's from his sister, who was having brunch in LA on the weekend. Check out the table in the background.
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16174971_10155008339685719_1332113233518692805_n.jpg?oh=fdf7d64e90ae16a3d1c7bfb5b2197ac6&oe=591E163B
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Monday, 23 January 2017 20:35 (seven years ago) link
Nice catch
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Monday, 23 January 2017 20:36 (seven years ago) link
Holy shit, Donald Glover eats food?
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 23 January 2017 20:43 (seven years ago) link
well, if rob bricken thinks vader has no dick then i think we can take it as canon that vader is, in fact, packing a dick
― the greg evigan school of improvised explosive devices (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 January 2017 20:47 (seven years ago) link
(ps fuck rob bricken)
― the greg evigan school of improvised explosive devices (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 January 2017 20:48 (seven years ago) link
The Landos bruncheth
― mh 😏, Monday, 23 January 2017 22:01 (seven years ago) link
whats donald glover doing with brett 'the hitman' hart
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 23 January 2017 22:08 (seven years ago) link
billy dee looking pretty ominous
― mh 😏, Monday, 23 January 2017 22:50 (seven years ago) link
guys what if lando is vader's dick
― the greg evigan school of improvised explosive devices (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 January 2017 22:54 (seven years ago) link
what if lando is snoke
― mh 😏, Monday, 23 January 2017 22:55 (seven years ago) link
what if bb8 is lando
― the greg evigan school of improvised explosive devices (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 January 2017 22:55 (seven years ago) link
long game, he groomed the series of events leading han and leia's appearance in cloud city over the years, including setting up underground supply routes to hoth
once vader comes to cloud city, he's able to steal his sith artifacts
― mh 😏, Monday, 23 January 2017 22:57 (seven years ago) link
you mean his dick right
― the greg evigan school of improvised explosive devices (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 January 2017 22:58 (seven years ago) link
the comics lend credibility to this -- Lando ends up accidentally stealing the Emperor's yacht, which is filled with sith artifacts
he was corrupted by them since that time and everything we see in the movies is part of his long game
xp oh yeah I mean it's his dick that was corrupted
― mh 😏, Monday, 23 January 2017 22:58 (seven years ago) link
in star wars, it takes a possible jedi to make the shot to destroy the death star
in rotj, lando (and his dick) are on the lead ship destroying a death star
― mh 😏, Monday, 23 January 2017 23:00 (seven years ago) link
ok I just can't talk about dicks anymore
fp'd u for quitting vader's dick
― the greg evigan school of improvised explosive devices (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 January 2017 23:02 (seven years ago) link
yes what about the balls? all that Death Star imagery isn't just metaphor you know
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 23 January 2017 23:04 (seven years ago) link
then he mighta needed to talk to a PCP about his prostate
― Neanderthal, Monday, 23 January 2017 23:40 (seven years ago) link
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--wMrbhRru--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/gzvbeczvwse5zs0lxgby.jpg
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Monday, 23 January 2017 23:52 (seven years ago) link
Bothers me that all droids have 4-character names. And R2 units, for example, are all R2-??, which means there can be at most 36 x 36 R2 units in the whole universe, and only 36 x36x36x36=1.7 million robots in the whole universe.
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 10:17 (seven years ago) link
well fuck, that's unravelled the entire tightly-woven fabric of the star wars universe for me
― the greg evigan school of improvised explosive devices (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 10:23 (seven years ago) link
but wait you're assuming that all droids have unique names - maybe 'r2d2' is as common as 'steve' but we don't know because we've only seen one onscreen
phew, faith in star wars restored
― the greg evigan school of improvised explosive devices (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 10:26 (seven years ago) link
The droids introduced in the Darth Vader comic are 0-0-0 and BT-1, which admittedly don't help much.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 10:27 (seven years ago) link
*doesn't, though admittedly they don't help much either.
According to tvtropes.org, the following heroic droids have been featured in Episode VII and its spinoff media (comics and novels) so far:
C3-POR2-D2BB-8PZ-4COR2-KTGA-97PZ-99CO-342-MED-2VL-44R0-4L0R2-HAO-R10NR4N1-ZX
Surpised that Y0-L0 and B0-0B5 haven't yet shown up.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 10:58 (seven years ago) link
Guess moisture farmers can't afford personalised droids
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 11:01 (seven years ago) link
4L-0K0
― how's life, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 11:58 (seven years ago) link
F-H8RS
― the greg evigan school of improvised explosive devices (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 12:01 (seven years ago) link
XD
― how's life, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 12:08 (seven years ago) link
http://fxrant.blogspot.com.au/2017/01/the-death-star-and-final-trench-run.html
important trench location info
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 15:24 (seven years ago) link
trenchant building meter data
― stein beck ii: the wrath of grapes (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 15:26 (seven years ago) link
the death star computer animation being completely wrong about the superlaser location is classic star wars and i'm glad george didn't fix it
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 16:00 (seven years ago) link
And R2 units, for example, are all R2-??,
Yeah, but the R2 designation is only a subclass of the larger astromech droid class. Like in the graphic below, with only covers the subclasses beginning with R. "Chopper" on Star Wars: Rebels is clearly an astromech, but his designation is C1-10P.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/43/70/b7/4370b7a95ba81eb24b5c103f8179644c.jpg
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 17:01 (seven years ago) link
I kind of assumed that R* units were from one vendor and the C* units are from a different one. Different vendors using different nomenclatures for product lines.
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 17:13 (seven years ago) link
hey guys I'm worried about whether or not any more death stars are gonna get blown up
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 17:26 (seven years ago) link
My understanding is that the next standalone movie following the Han Solo one is about the discovery that R2-D2's head has, all along, been one half of a new Death Star terrorizing the micro-universe inhabited by midichlorians.
― stein beck ii: the wrath of grapes (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 17:47 (seven years ago) link
I wonder if someday they are going to make a star wars movie with two death stars? would be crazy
― silverfish, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 17:53 (seven years ago) link
A new Death Star but, get this, inflatable.
― nashwan, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 17:59 (seven years ago) link
How about two Death Stars connected side by side, attached to a long, cylindrical ram?
― (The caption: “fine dining.”) (DJP), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 18:35 (seven years ago) link
I have a penI have a death starUHDeath star pen!
― how's life, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 18:37 (seven years ago) link
In the Italian version, R2-D2 was C1-P8. Chopper from Rebels is Italian. Duh.
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/R2-D2
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link
we need an L-R0N droid
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 19:02 (seven years ago) link
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/7/75/L-Ron_003.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110619024316
L-Ron was already in Justice League International.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 19:06 (seven years ago) link
Nah, go four Death Stars and go this route instead:
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/mst3k/images/2/25/SatelliteOfLove.JPG/revision/latest?cb=20070604152959
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 19:29 (seven years ago) link
Now that I think about it I would pay money to see a Star Wars film begin with the Lucasfilm logo and then:
"In the not too distant future..."
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 19:30 (seven years ago) link
next movie should just be 2 1/2 hours of death stars blowing up other death stars, non-stop exploding death stars w John Williams score
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 19:35 (seven years ago) link
Death Stars stealing each other's schematics. "Many Death Stars exploded to bring us this information."
― jmm, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 19:47 (seven years ago) link
lol ned
― how's life, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 19:50 (seven years ago) link
jmm too.
― how's life, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 19:51 (seven years ago) link
next movie begins with luke poised to accept his lightsaber from rey - as his fingers make contact the camera zooms way out, off the surface of the planet, zooming faster out across the whole star wars universe until it exits a familiar-looking grey metal aperture, pulling back even further until it become clear that everything that happened in the previous seven star wars movies all happened inside one mammoth death star
then the death star explodes and a feature-length episode of supernanny begins
― the greg evigan school of improvised explosive devices (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 20:34 (seven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/UbIf75e.gif
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 21:44 (seven years ago) link
there it is
― the greg evigan school of improvised explosive devices (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 21:59 (seven years ago) link
So I like this movie more and more in retrospect and really looking forward to watching it again at home.
One criticism though is of the 'Rogue One' shuttle itself. Obviously Jyn is the "rogue one" but the design for the namesake shuttle is deeply boring when compared to the shuttle Tyderium or the U-Wing which is I guess the "signature" ship of the film.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 26 January 2017 00:40 (seven years ago) link
it's the everyshuttle
― mh 😏, Thursday, 26 January 2017 00:41 (seven years ago) link
I think the main problem with all the recent shuttles is they don't look like they have cockpits. I know they do, but the glass on them is very small and it almost looks like they're drones.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 26 January 2017 01:00 (seven years ago) link
Also, the wing sweeps are all over the place. Can't tell if it's coming or going.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 26 January 2017 01:01 (seven years ago) link
Chris Miller tweets from the set of the Solo, uh, solo movie. Look at the working title.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3blfykWcAAjtOx.jpg
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Monday, 30 January 2017 17:11 (seven years ago) link
red cup?
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 30 January 2017 17:22 (seven years ago) link
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/ccce4bb5-6e0f-416b-9ba7-8e6c26a6ee8f_1.53886e1beb26ae7a256cf9d354f0852f.jpeg
― bayland rippenkroeger, stunt artiste (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 30 January 2017 17:23 (seven years ago) link
http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2016/12/30/red-solo-cup_custom-fa6ab5bdd6daa0d4aa83d693e7823f22a42e6bd0-s300-c85.jpg
― mh 😏, Monday, 30 January 2017 17:23 (seven years ago) link
Did not know that OSCAR NOMINATED CINEMATOGRAPHER Bradford Young was DP-ing this.
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Monday, 30 January 2017 17:26 (seven years ago) link
https://youtu.be/BKZqGJONH68
― how's life, Monday, 30 January 2017 17:27 (seven years ago) link
ohhhhh i get it
:/
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 30 January 2017 17:30 (seven years ago) link
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/v5atoak4xjva3cqtwj1h.jpg
― nomar, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 02:06 (seven years ago) link
Completely separately, Veg Grrl has explaining to do
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/02/australians-love-boning-to-the-cantina-band-from-star-wars
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 23:03 (seven years ago) link
aussie blokes are stereotypically not known for slowing things down the sack so up-tempo + short run time actually kinda makes sense to me
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 16 February 2017 00:11 (seven years ago) link
Oh my
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 February 2017 00:20 (seven years ago) link
journalistic standards at gizmodo so low that the writer of this article didn't even note that the genre the band play is called 'jizz'
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 16 February 2017 00:31 (seven years ago) link
The American Gizmodo share of said story went there...again and again.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 February 2017 00:51 (seven years ago) link
I assume they'll all just look like this in the movie because why not. Then again...
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--3CMFEeNY--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/jjopl2v6wmjy8qgxaw1h.jpg
Woody's looking...intense.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 17:58 (seven years ago) link
Woody looks hungry.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 18:00 (seven years ago) link
looking at that wondering who is supposed to be Han Solo
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 18:13 (seven years ago) link
this movie's gonna suck, isn't it?
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 18:14 (seven years ago) link
Han is the dude in the button-up blue shirt.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 18:15 (seven years ago) link
Woody looks like he's watching a super keen game of space jenga or something.
I think Donald lost.
― how's life, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 18:34 (seven years ago) link
lol Fleabag is in this??
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 19:31 (seven years ago) link
God I hope they don't go all "Guardians Of The Galaxy" /dopey bro humor for this.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 19:35 (seven years ago) link
It's basically going to be Community in space
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 21:36 (seven years ago) link
Holy shit you're right! My girlfriend and I just started watching that a few days ago.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 21:39 (seven years ago) link
Fleabag is playing a hologram supposedly. i'm all for it.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 21:40 (seven years ago) link
(best thing i've seen on BBC in about 10 years)
Yeah we're only two episodes in and it's just amazing.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 21:41 (seven years ago) link
everyone just chilling in their street clothes except for chewie who doesn't even get to take off his bandolier :(
#freechewie
― for sale: steve bannon waifu pillow (heavily soiled) (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 21:47 (seven years ago) link
Thought this was a reference to Chewie
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 04:36 (seven years ago) link
just shoehorn in that "hail, caesar!" line somewhere and i'll see the solo movie
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 05:27 (seven years ago) link
would that it were so, sith lord
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 05:32 (seven years ago) link
Wth is "Fleabag"?
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 06:43 (seven years ago) link
excellent bbc dramedy written by and starring phoebe waller-bridge, who will apparently be playing a droid in this thrilling new han solo adventure
― for sale: steve bannon waifu pillow (heavily soiled) (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 09:38 (seven years ago) link
This movie's gonna suck, isn't it?
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles)
Nah I think it could be fun and might entertainingly piss off a load of purists.
― chap, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 12:52 (seven years ago) link
Michael K. Williams is joining the cast.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 4 March 2017 19:34 (seven years ago) link
Best news I've heard about the project so far.
― how's life, Saturday, 4 March 2017 19:52 (seven years ago) link
Gareth Edwards directed Rogue One. A key locale in that film is called “Scarif.” Gareth and Scarif sort of rhyme. Mere coincidence? Apparently not. During a talk at SXSW, Edwards explained that he came up with the name of the gorgeous planet where the film’s big battle goes down after a coffee shop employee bastardized the spelling of his own.This all came about, he explained, when writer Gary Whitta, who had been thinking up most of the monikers, tasked Edwards with devising one. Edwards then decided to mull it over with some coffee, and went to a ”particular, very well known” establishment. (We’re going to go ahead and guess Starbucks.) When he got his beverage, he had a Eureka moment. “When they asked for my name I must have said, ’It’s Gareth,’ because they wrote, ’Scarif’ on the coffee,” he said. “I just came back and I slid the coffee cup and I went, ‘It’s Scarif.’”
This all came about, he explained, when writer Gary Whitta, who had been thinking up most of the monikers, tasked Edwards with devising one. Edwards then decided to mull it over with some coffee, and went to a ”particular, very well known” establishment. (We’re going to go ahead and guess Starbucks.) When he got his beverage, he had a Eureka moment. “When they asked for my name I must have said, ’It’s Gareth,’ because they wrote, ’Scarif’ on the coffee,” he said. “I just came back and I slid the coffee cup and I went, ‘It’s Scarif.’”
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:53 (seven years ago) link
Glad I wasn't the director.
"We'll call it Nerd."
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:55 (seven years ago) link
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:55 (seven years ago) link
to both posts
I've had baristas write my name as both 'Mill' and 'Dill'. I need to enunciate.
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:58 (seven years ago) link
it might be their fault, Gil
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:59 (seven years ago) link
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:07 (seven years ago) link
"Scarif, I like it!"
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:08 (seven years ago) link
I want to find the person who thinks strongly enough that "Scarif" is a person's name that they wrote it down on a cup. It's like the Barney/Swarley joke on "How I Met Your Mother" come to life.
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:08 (seven years ago) link
Surely he must have said "It's Gareth" in a rushed mumble, in response to "and your name?" I mean, I can see how that happens.
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:14 (seven years ago) link
I've witnessed my friend Cedric become Sedrick and Sedgwick when it comes to transcribing what was heard
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:00 (seven years ago) link
Mine would be Charine
― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:14 (seven years ago) link
I've been "Fill," which is technically correct (the best kind of correct) and also "Bill."
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:15 (seven years ago) link
"Fill" is a+
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:25 (seven years ago) link
Especially written on the side of a cup that's handed from cashier to barista
"That's what I do with all of them, why are you being a dick?"
― SFTGFOP (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 15:34 (seven years ago) link
http://ew.com/movies/2017/03/20/rogue-one-alternate-ending-revealed/
but what happened in the filmed ending that was scrapped!!
― 龜, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 14:31 (seven years ago) link
they keep hedging but I think the implication is they didn't cut full scenes
so there's maybe a minute of dialogue between characters, and a half dozen takes of people jumping in and out of ships, and a hundred takes of people running on beaches from different angles, but nothing edited together
tbh holding off until Beach Runner Edition
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 14:34 (seven years ago) link
xpost - They had a game of beach volleyball, shirts vs. droids.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 14:34 (seven years ago) link
just imagining them doing multiple takes
"I can't believe you almost left me back there!""I can't believe you left me back there!""I'm glad you came back!""I'm glad you went to pick up a TIE fighter before coming back""Why didn't you bring a ship?"
then just figure out the best plot in editing
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 14:36 (seven years ago) link
Maybe most of the takes are them running along the beach singing like the Smurfs.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 14:46 (seven years ago) link
Rewatched "Rogue One" last night and yeah I love this film. However, there's a planet called Yobani. Someone was eating yogurt (Chobani) in the writing process.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 01:04 (seven years ago) link
It was originally called Yanni-Yanni-Yobani-Banana-Fana-Fobani
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 12:07 (seven years ago) link
ilx chobani correspondent la lechera to thread
― physicist and christian lambert dolphin (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 12:39 (seven years ago) link
No it's because Bomani Jones was also at the coffee shop
― Not the real Tombot (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 12:43 (seven years ago) link
They originally planned on "Yomami" but then got the side eye from Jimmy Smits.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 12:58 (seven years ago) link
xxp: lol
― how's life, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 13:10 (seven years ago) link
Some more fun
http://io9.gizmodo.com/there-was-yet-another-ending-planned-for-rogue-one-and-1793523977
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 16:25 (seven years ago) link
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 16:28 (seven years ago) link
3) The Blue Carbuncle
"We had considered for the final act scripting a loose adaptation of the Sherlock Holmes story "The Adventure of the Blue Carbuncle" by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, in which Darth Vader would be the Holmes character. Unlike the Holmes story, the "carbuncle" in this case (the plans) would not be discovered immediately, but Vader would engage in a similar search through the immediate planetary system. However, similar to the ending of the story, Vader would let Jyn and Cassian go free, arguing to Grand Moff Tarkin that imprisoning them would only radicalize them further. Their absence from subsequent films would actually prove Vader correct."
― nomar, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 16:35 (seven years ago) link
I knew
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 16:36 (seven years ago) link
Reading between the lines here, I'm pretty certain neither of those endings ever existed outside his head.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 16:49 (seven years ago) link
4) Step Up to the Empire
"We had several fantastic dance battles choreographed by Stephen "tWitch" Boss that we were really sorry to see hit the cutting room floor. Hopefully we can repurpose some of them as interludes in the Young Han Solo movie."
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 16:54 (seven years ago) link
5) Empire
"They're all Queensryche fans and--"
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 16:55 (seven years ago) link
these are all trial balloons
― ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 16:56 (seven years ago) link
^90% joking
6) "Initially we had written a script that would be the first of a new, separate trilogy. Rogue One was about who and why? The sequel would be getting closer to who designed The Death Star and for what reason. The third film would have a five army battle and also a giant space bear."
― nomar, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 17:00 (seven years ago) link
I'm sure some talented new canon novelists are already working out the details of how Jyn and Cassian were saved just before the shockwave hit.
― jmm, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 17:00 (seven years ago) link
Star Trek crossover, they get transported to the Enterprise at the last second
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 17:03 (seven years ago) link
Here. I'm...still thinking. Any moment, I won't be.
That moment continued to fade into eternity as time continued on. She could still herself embracing him as he was embracing her. She kept her eyes closed. She wanted her last sight to be of the one who she had recently accepted as a close ally...a friend. She had never had one as a child. She was not letting go of this one, even while accepting the death about to bury them.
She could feel the wind rush past her. Soon, rubble would cover her and her friend.
It never happened.
The wind, the rumbling of the ground they were kneeling on, the chaos around them faded into oblivion.
Jyn feared to open her eyes. What if she opened her eyes only for them to be clouded by dust and fear?
"Jyn." Cassian rested his hand on her shoulders. "We're alive! Open your eyes."
His voice was sincere just as it had been during their rogue mission. She trusted him. She opened her eyes to see that he had been crying tears of both joy and fear. "Jyn, how....we can't be alive but you're here and I'm here."
Jyn could feel herself shaking as she looked from his face to see the world around them obliterated into an indistinguishable landscape of rubble...except for the ground that both her and Cassian had been kneeling on.
She looked over Cassian. "You aren't hurt."
"No. Are you?"
"No. I'm just shaking. I-I feel-"
"It's probably shock. I feel lightheaded, probably because I'm in shock as well." Cassian took another glance at the ruined world around them. "I would be more worried if you and I were not in shock. We should not have survived something like this. I..." He repositioned himself to sitting with his legs crossed as he lowered his head and put his hands behind his head, interlacing his fingers in an attempt to help the blood flow into his brain to ease his dizziness.
"Cassian?" Jyn gently rested her hand on his knee.
"I just need a moment to...collect myself."
"Okay." Jyn also sat like Cassian with her legs crossed. However, she didn't lower her head. She didn't need to. Her shaking had stopped. Her breathing was normal. Her mind was clear. She felt at peace.
What...is this? She could feel something inside her. Something wild yet calm. Excitement yet tranquility. I'm not happy or sad. I'm both. But I don't feel either one of them as its own. It's almost as if something is with me.
"You are one with the Force. The Force is with you."
The voice in her mind had been Chirrut's prayer except his voice had directed the prayer towards her.
From that moment she knew.
She knew that Chirrut was no longer among the living. She knew everyone else in Rogue One was gone except Cassian. As a tear rolled down her face she also knew what her mother had been, long before she came to be. She reached into shirt and pulled out her mother's necklace that bore the white Kyber crystal. She grasped it in her hands as she could faintly feel her mother's presence come close to her and gently place a kiss on her forehead.
"I am one with the Force."
Cassian slowly rose his head with eyes wide in realization of how they both managed to survive certain death. His eyes saw Jyn's eyes full of tears as she sincerely accepted her new journey.
"The Force is with me."
― nomar, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 17:05 (seven years ago) link
dude
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 17:14 (seven years ago) link
Make some coin. Somewhere.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 17:15 (seven years ago) link
7) Well, everyone knows many Bothans died to bring us this information. What this movie presupposes is... maybe they didn't.
― 龜, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 17:21 (seven years ago) link
Some more stuff
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-han-solo-movie-covers-six-formative-years-in-the-sm-1793574401
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 March 2017 19:12 (seven years ago) link
http://www.polygon.com/2017/3/23/15040696/han-solo-movie-name-disney-star-wars
oh no
― Not the real Tombot (El Tomboto), Thursday, 23 March 2017 20:08 (seven years ago) link
"See, he was Han Duo, then there was an accident. And before that he was 4 Han."
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 March 2017 20:11 (seven years ago) link
young Han was in an a capella group but always insisted on singing a fourth below the root bass note at the end of every song
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Thursday, 23 March 2017 20:12 (seven years ago) link
Until now, people have assumed that his last name was given as a way to describe his character.
No, I figured he was the son of Mr. and Mrs. Solo, thanks
― mh 😏, Thursday, 23 March 2017 20:19 (seven years ago) link
Turns out his dad is
http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/13600000/Napoleon-Solo-man-from-uncle-13685361-500-418.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 March 2017 20:20 (seven years ago) link
"we called the dog Han"
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Thursday, 23 March 2017 20:20 (seven years ago) link
a+ work nomar
― physicist and christian lambert dolphin (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 March 2017 20:25 (seven years ago) link
― mh 😏, Thursday, March 23, 2017 3:19 PM (fifty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
is this some viking/sleep ish, because this is also what i always thought -- never occurred to me that his name was a literal indication of his lonertude
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 23 March 2017 21:19 (seven years ago) link
it's a good pulpy series name, nice and on the nose
― mh 😏, Thursday, 23 March 2017 21:21 (seven years ago) link
i can't take credit for that fanfic : /
― nomar, Thursday, 23 March 2017 21:21 (seven years ago) link
is this some viking/sleep ish
no
― Number None, Thursday, 23 March 2017 21:29 (seven years ago) link
In his despair, Deace is actually getting funny. Thus this in response to Bannon arriving on the scene:
https://twitter.com/SteveDeaceShow/status/845023566663946246
Because it's not already a mess enough, here comes Cousin Eddie to save the Griswold Family Christmas.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 March 2017 21:30 (seven years ago) link
this is not the thread you are looking for
― Number None, Thursday, 23 March 2017 21:32 (seven years ago) link
Hahah thank you. A busy day indeed.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 March 2017 21:33 (seven years ago) link
yes cos in Star Wars movies he is known for travelling alone. we will learn that Chewbacca is actually a figment of his imagination.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 23 March 2017 22:11 (seven years ago) link
Chewbupagus
― how's life, Thursday, 23 March 2017 22:42 (seven years ago) link
fans will keep arguing he's another species completely equal to humans, but everyone else is like "he's han solo's dog"if you live with a dog you still live alone, sorry, that's the rule
― mh 😏, Thursday, 23 March 2017 22:48 (seven years ago) link
NOW it's a sleep/Viking thing
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Friday, 24 March 2017 01:08 (seven years ago) link
https://image.ibb.co/mmuDWQ/Image_1.jpg
― the late great, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 18:26 (seven years ago) link
Harrison Ford is the best
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 19:16 (seven years ago) link
we finally saw this on demand. i thought it was really good! first half was slow and a bit tedious, and they wasted mads mikkelsen, but the back half was fantastic - as good as any of the star wars movies. i thought the whole battle was choreographed + written really well and i was impressed that they had so many theaters of action going on at once and not only did they not totally lose the plot but things tracked visually + narratively. once i figured out that it was about building the death star i was able to guess the rest of the plot (including them all dying - otherwise you'd have to wonder where they were in the original 3) but it didn't make any of it less satisfying. i wasn't sure how they'd handle the final moments (and def didn't guess a CGI princess) and thought maybe they'd just show the back of her head or something. seems like similar tech to what they used in that marilyn monroe commercial?
i read some of the reviews for the movie (a.o. scott in NYT and richard brody in NYer) and they really didn't like it! i feel like maybe they had expectations for it beyond just "enjoyable popcorn flick"???
― Mordy, Monday, 1 May 2017 23:22 (six years ago) link
Glad you liked it! I didn't, but well, I gave my reasons upthread. I do think that it'd be fair to allow it as possible to dislike this precisely because you expected an enjoyable popcorn flick and it didn't deliver what you look for in such. Can't speak for Scott or Brody though.
― ✓ (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 00:03 (six years ago) link
Just got around to seeing this on DVD at home on a 34" television, so nothing like 'home theater'. It hit all the basic dance steps in terms of plot and characters, except the characters never became interesting. None of 'em. They were just there so things could happen in the foreground of the production design, so the costumes had someone to wear them, so the weapons had fingers to pull the triggers and there were mouths to deliver the lines.
But as for the characters being alive and interesting? (shrugs)
This was partly because the written dialogue was weak, but I have to figure the actors could have given their lines much better readings if the director had cared to ask them to. imo this movie was a hugely expensive and elaborate storyboard. The spectacle was there and the action and the music, but it was strangely empty of people (or whatever it is a humanoid inhabitant of another galaxy is supposed to be called.)
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 22:26 (six years ago) link
got around to seeing this where "this" == Rogue One
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 22:32 (six years ago) link
What's the best example of a film with good (define to suit) hero characters who all get killed off?
Think they could've both written and cast Jyn, Cassian and Galen (Mikkelsen only good as villains?) better but the rest were fine for what they get.
― nashwan, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 22:36 (six years ago) link
the one thing interesting about the only new villain was that he was a loser bureaucrat trapped in a system that uses people. which unfortunately helped to make the Empire itself seem maybe a little less menacing and less defined as an all-consuming threat.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 22:59 (six years ago) link
the cardboard bad guys in the OT were fine enough imo
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 23:01 (six years ago) link
idk, Reservoir Dogs? Thelma and Louise? Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid?
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 23:01 (six years ago) link
Dr. Strangelove
Dunno abt "all,'' but a lot of the war movies this one thought it was borrowing from have very high body counts of likable characters - Dirty Dozen, Great Escape. See also Magnificent Seven and many disaster movies (though there a morality-play element favors death for the jerks and crooks, with a few nice folks sacrificed to up the stakes and keep you guessing).
― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 23:08 (six years ago) link
how many are left at the end of Seven Samurai... two?
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 23:10 (six years ago) link
One trope they decisively avoided was having anybody talk about the small business they want to own & operate when they return alive and whole from the war. Presumably volunteer freedom fighters don't talk about such aspirational silliness until fascism is obliterated.
― your cognitive privilege (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 23:24 (six years ago) link
https://thefifiorganization.net/2014site/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/seven_fourgraves.jpg
what about silent running
― ogmor, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 23:29 (six years ago) link
"I've just bought my own X-Wing! I'm gonna call it 'the Live Forever'!"
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 23:29 (six years ago) link
The Black Hole might count, weirdly.
― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 18 May 2017 00:18 (six years ago) link
Dark Star
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 18 May 2017 00:33 (six years ago) link
I learned to work Bantha leather from my uncle. When I get back I'm gonna start my own boot shop. Everyone who's anyone in the galaxy is gonna be wearin bantha boots made by me.
― your cognitive privilege (El Tomboto), Thursday, 18 May 2017 00:42 (six years ago) link
lol @ dark star
Black Hole doesn't count because SPOILERS!!! obviously they all go on to colonize a new universe, they remembered to bring a young lady and everything
― your cognitive privilege (El Tomboto), Thursday, 18 May 2017 01:14 (six years ago) link
https://ssl-cdn-media.tmz.com/2017/05/18/0518-star-wars-behind-scenes-launch-3.jpg
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 21 May 2017 16:13 (six years ago) link
Hmmmm
http://www.starwars.com/news/a-message-from-lucasfilm-regarding-the-untitled-han-solo-film
The untitled Han Solo film will move forward with a directorial change.“Phil Lord and Christopher Miller are talented filmmakers who have assembled an incredible cast and crew, but it’s become clear that we had different creative visions on this film, and we’ve decided to part ways. A new director will be announced soon,” said Kathleen Kennedy, president of Lucasfilm.“Unfortunately, our vision and process weren’t aligned with our partners on this project. We normally aren’t fans of the phrase ‘creative differences’ but for once this cliché is true. We are really proud of the amazing and world-class work of our cast and crew,” stated Phil Lord and Christopher Miller.The untitled Han Solo film remains scheduled for a May 2018 release.
“Phil Lord and Christopher Miller are talented filmmakers who have assembled an incredible cast and crew, but it’s become clear that we had different creative visions on this film, and we’ve decided to part ways. A new director will be announced soon,” said Kathleen Kennedy, president of Lucasfilm.
“Unfortunately, our vision and process weren’t aligned with our partners on this project. We normally aren’t fans of the phrase ‘creative differences’ but for once this cliché is true. We are really proud of the amazing and world-class work of our cast and crew,” stated Phil Lord and Christopher Miller.
The untitled Han Solo film remains scheduled for a May 2018 release.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 23:54 (six years ago) link
That sucks
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 23:58 (six years ago) link
Yeah I honestly am trying to figure out both why this happened so late in the game and who in the world would be able to pick this up from here.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 23:58 (six years ago) link
Weird. It says here the shooting is nearly finished.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-han-solo-film-loses-directors-1015419
― jmm, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 00:03 (six years ago) link
sounds like an Edgar Wright/Ant-Man situation
― Nhex, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 00:58 (six years ago) link
No, it doesn't. Wright left before production, such that Rudd and Reed had time to rewrite the shooting script. This has been shooting for four months.
― Doubtless they are toss. (sic), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 01:33 (six years ago) link
Variety sez
The Han Solo film is still in production with several weeks of re-shoots planned for the summer — which have long been planned.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 01:40 (six years ago) link
also it kinda reads like Variety ran that story by Disney first and one of the inside hacks added that em dash with the repetitive choice of verb
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 01:41 (six years ago) link
Going in for a wild guess here: They were left to work on their own for a good chunk of the shooting process ---Kennedy decided to come in late to watch the work done up until then and flipped out.
Somehow I feel these Disney execs would be better off hiring hack directors they can handhold through the process and get that product out.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 01:49 (six years ago) link
i'm 99% of the time on the side of the creatives, but i gotta admit that quality control for the MCU and recent Star Wars films so far has been shockingly good
― Nhex, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 01:58 (six years ago) link
Do not hesitate. Show no mercy. Only then will you be strong enough to save Padmé.
― the ghost of markers, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 02:02 (six years ago) link
this seems like a bad sign. on the other hand I guess there were significant reshoots and changes to Rogue One and that turned out great; but still, this movie sounds like it's essentially in the can. what are they going to do in editing and reshoots? and what was so bad about what they did? I can only imagine there was too much toilet humor.
― akm, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 03:53 (six years ago) link
And hm again
https://deadline.com/2017/06/ron-howard-han-solo-star-wars-movie-replace-phil-lord-christopher-miller-directors-1202117289/
Deadline hears that Ron Howard has emerged as front-runner to replace Phil Lord & Christopher Miller on the untitled Han Solo Star Wars spinoff film. Disney dropped a shocker this afternoon with the announcement that the duo exited a picture that has been in production since February at London’s Pinewood Studios. This after an inability to recover from creative rifts with Lucasfilm chief Kathleen Kennedy and screenwriter Lawrence Kasdan. The latter has been mentioned as possible to step in, but I’m putting my money on Howard.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:08 (six years ago) link
More here too (click through for full thread)
FWIW the Han Solo story I've heard from a variety of sources keeps returning to one thing: reshoots— Mike Sampson (@mjsamps) June 21, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:09 (six years ago) link
in retrospect it's surprising that the Rian Johnson one is even happeming
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:10 (six years ago) link
*ba dum tish*
::the Millennium Falcon approaches a Star Destroyer::HAN: I have a good feeling about this.RON HOWARD V.O.: He didn't. https://t.co/hrhpkPQ1fH— Tom Brennan (@Brennanator) June 21, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:15 (six years ago) link
Kasdan stepping in to oversee reshoots would be almost the exact analogue to what happened with Rogue One
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:16 (six years ago) link
They need to think outside the box. They should offer the director's chair to Harrison Ford.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:21 (six years ago) link
I nominate Neil Breen
― The Marmadook (latebloomer), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 05:14 (six years ago) link
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/star-wars-han-solo-kathleen-kennedy-director-fired-1202473919/
Miller and Lord were stunned to find that they were not being granted freedom to run the production in the manner that they were accustomed to. They balked at Kennedy’s tight control on the set.A person with knowledge of the production said that the chemistry between the directors and Kennedy was never right.“It was a culture clash from day one,” the source said. “She didn’t even like the way they folded their socks.”The source said that while Lord and Miller were supposedly hired for their vision and distinctive brand of filmmaking when it came to the “Star Wars” production, Kennedy did not approve of their shooting style and process of interacting with actors and crew. “They weren’t given the leeway to do what they had to do,” the source said.The duo also clashed with Kasdan, who has been an integral creative part of several “Star Wars” movies, dating back the the 1980 “The Empire Strikes Back.” Like Kennedy, he questioned many of the pair’s directing choices.“Kathy, her team and Larry Kasdan have been doing it their way for a very long time. They know how the cheese is made and that’s how they want it made,” said the source. “It became a very polarizing set.”
A person with knowledge of the production said that the chemistry between the directors and Kennedy was never right.
“It was a culture clash from day one,” the source said. “She didn’t even like the way they folded their socks.”
The source said that while Lord and Miller were supposedly hired for their vision and distinctive brand of filmmaking when it came to the “Star Wars” production, Kennedy did not approve of their shooting style and process of interacting with actors and crew. “They weren’t given the leeway to do what they had to do,” the source said.
The duo also clashed with Kasdan, who has been an integral creative part of several “Star Wars” movies, dating back the the 1980 “The Empire Strikes Back.” Like Kennedy, he questioned many of the pair’s directing choices.
“Kathy, her team and Larry Kasdan have been doing it their way for a very long time. They know how the cheese is made and that’s how they want it made,” said the source. “It became a very polarizing set.”
― Number None, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 06:29 (six years ago) link
and a bit more
Sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that the style and vision of Lord and Miller clashed with that of Lawrence Kasdan, the legendary screenwriter behind the classics Empire Strikes Back and Raiders of the Lost Ark, who also wrote, with his son, Jon Kasdan, the script for the Han Solo stand-alone set (for now) to be released in 2018. Lord and Miller (21 Jump Street, The Lego Movie) have a comedic sensibility and improvisational style while Kasdan favors a strict adherence to the written word — what is on the page is what must be shot.The creative clash, according to one insider, also came down to differences in understanding the character of Han Solo. “People need to understand that Han Solo is not a comedic personality. He’s sarcastic and selfish,” said that source.The friction was felt almost immediately when the movie began shooting in February, sources say, but the directors always thought it could be worked through. Kennedy, the producer and head of Lucasfilm, decided to back her lifelong colleague, who shaped much of Solo’s character in Empire and Return of the Jedi and who had a specific tone in mind for the new movie. The duo also didn’t feel they had the support of producer Allison Shearmur, who was acting as Lucasfilm’s representative on the London set.Lord and Miller, who had relocated to London with their families for preproduction and production of the movie, were said to have been blindsided by the firing, which they learned about Monday, according to one source, although another disputed that account.The production had gone on a short hiatus to review what had been shot and to clear the air.
Lord and Miller (21 Jump Street, The Lego Movie) have a comedic sensibility and improvisational style while Kasdan favors a strict adherence to the written word — what is on the page is what must be shot.
The creative clash, according to one insider, also came down to differences in understanding the character of Han Solo. “People need to understand that Han Solo is not a comedic personality. He’s sarcastic and selfish,” said that source.
The friction was felt almost immediately when the movie began shooting in February, sources say, but the directors always thought it could be worked through. Kennedy, the producer and head of Lucasfilm, decided to back her lifelong colleague, who shaped much of Solo’s character in Empire and Return of the Jedi and who had a specific tone in mind for the new movie. The duo also didn’t feel they had the support of producer Allison Shearmur, who was acting as Lucasfilm’s representative on the London set.
Lord and Miller, who had relocated to London with their families for preproduction and production of the movie, were said to have been blindsided by the firing, which they learned about Monday, according to one source, although another disputed that account.
The production had gone on a short hiatus to review what had been shot and to clear the air.
― Number None, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 06:32 (six years ago) link
I've loved Star Wars movies since I was 7 in '77, but this whole circus and the reverence with which this fictional world is treated as if its elements were relics of the True Cross, is hilarious.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 08:08 (six years ago) link
“People need to understand that Han Solo is not a comedic personality. He’s sarcastic and selfish,”
This is otm tho.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 08:10 (six years ago) link
I would've thought it's possible for a personality to be all three.
― chap, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 08:43 (six years ago) link
I'm having visions of a Dukes Of Hazzard / Baywatch take on things....
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 08:59 (six years ago) link
lord and miller's movies so far have a pretty specific tone - i don't understand why you'd hire them if that wasn't what you wanted
― total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 09:35 (six years ago) link
Part of me feels for them and the other part says "Thank God they fired these bros."
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:19 (six years ago) link
Lord & Miller's involvement was the only thing about this stupid idea that made it seem vaguely interesting tbh
― Number None, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:21 (six years ago) link
lord and miller? bros? did i miss something?
― total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:23 (six years ago) link
21 jump street maybe?
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:42 (six years ago) link
22 jump street?
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:43 (six years ago) link
I hope that Kennedy and Kasdan leave in the scene where Han Solo tries his hand at slam poetry.
― how's life, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:44 (six years ago) link
still IA that this film will "explain how he got his name" as if he is a Superhero and he will have a "real" name that isn't Han Solo which is great bc that is what you want from a movie about Han Solo, an actor who isn't Harrison Ford playing a character that isn't named Han Solo (yet!)
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:49 (six years ago) link
21 jump street goes out of its way to establish that the main characters are good-hearted but clueless doofuses and that the various textbook dorks and jerks they interact with at school are largely good people too - very little of that fits my conception of classic bro cinema but clearly ymmv
meanwhile cloudy with a chance of meatballs remains one of the most effortlessly inventive and genuinely trippy mainstream movies in recent memory
― total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:51 (six years ago) link
in fact bros are the villains in 21 jump street iirc
― total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:53 (six years ago) link
Yeah - the whole "21 Jump Street" dude humor vibe - while admittedly funny sometimes in the films - just seemed like the wrong approach for this film (assuming they were gonna go that way. I haven't watched the Lego thing.) To me it's "bro humor" hence "bros".
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:54 (six years ago) link
i think literally the first line of the 21 jump street trailer is "TITTY TWISTER!!!" but i am not watching it again
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:02 (six years ago) link
the message of 21 jump street is literally that bros are bad and that studying maths and drama and being nice to people is good
― total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:12 (six years ago) link
admittedly someone does get shot in the dick during the climactic scene
it contains multitudes is what i'm saying
― total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:13 (six years ago) link
Few things more anti-bro than a devastating dickblast, imo
― I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:16 (six years ago) link
Kasdan favors a strict adherence to the written word — what is on the page is what must be shot.
they should get the Coens to finish it
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:45 (six years ago) link
If you really want to know the essence of Lord & Miller, just go watch Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs right now
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:46 (six years ago) link
like, watch it a couple times even
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:47 (six years ago) link
tombot otm
― total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:47 (six years ago) link
best line in 21JS is "AP CHEMISTRY BITCH" where he pronounces it "app"
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:48 (six years ago) link
to think that star wars has been denied sophisticated, non-bro-like humor of this caliber
did really enjoy 'cloudy' though! thought the thing with the dad and the dog-voice-box encoder was genuinely sweet, and revealing of exactly the problematics of bromasculinity.
― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:57 (six years ago) link
So disappointed that the likelihood of seeing Han Solo whaling on his pecs and giving nerds atomic wedgies has precipitously fallen. Will continue to follow the beer-drenched career of Lord & Miller (or the Frat Brothers, as I call them).
― I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:07 (six years ago) link
still IA that this film will "explain how he got his name"
they already confirmed (or at least strongly walked back) the idea that Han Solo is an alias -- what they meant was "made his name" as in, why people all over have heard of Han Solo
― mh, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:31 (six years ago) link
which is what I assumed when I read the original statement, but people are really literal and look at everything a LucasFilm employee says as literal truth
Let me guess, he made his name by doing the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs, which it turns out is actually a tall tale.
― jmm, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:49 (six years ago) link
Also people are dumb also the 'make a name' phrase isn't really in use anymore?
― ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:50 (six years ago) link
that'd wrap the movie up all tidy
― mh, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:50 (six years ago) link
making a name for yourself is one of the main tropes for stories about criminals and businessmen!
a smuggler is uh.. well, you get the picture
― mh, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:52 (six years ago) link
Han revealed to be short for Hanglebert.
― I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:54 (six years ago) link
Hanglebert Solodnik
the way this film has been covered is confusing, notwithstanding your brilliant hypothesis that "also people are dumb"
Star Wars: What is Han Solo's Real Namehttp://time.com/4712810/han-solo-name-reactions/
Star Wars spin-off will reveal how Han Solo got his namehttps://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/mar/24/star-wars-han-solo-name-carrie-fisher
Han Solo movie will explain how the character got his namehttps://www.polygon.com/2017/3/23/15040696/han-solo-movie-name-disney-star-wars
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:55 (six years ago) link
https://www.google.com/search?q=kathleen+kennedy+"han+solo"+confusion&oq=kathleen+kennedy+"han+solo"+confusion
― mh, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:04 (six years ago) link
well, that sure didn't link properly
― mh, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:05 (six years ago) link
In an interview with MTV, Kennedy attributes Iger’s remark to a misunderstanding. She says:
“I’m not sure that that’s entirely what Bob meant. There’s more to Han Solo’s name, but it’s not that it’s not his name. It’s obviously his name. It will always be his name (laughs).”
― mh, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:06 (six years ago) link
That clarifies things.
― jmm, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:07 (six years ago) link
"how Han Solo made a name for himself" != "how Han Solo got his name"
if you mean the former but say the latter, you are pretty much guaranteed to confuse people
― a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:09 (six years ago) link
for sure
it was a vague statement by the ceo of disney that launched a zillion speculative blog posts
you'd think at least a few of them would have contacted the PR department to ask what it was about? maybe someone did, but rushing some very viral content is a little easier
― mh, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:12 (six years ago) link
take it to the Anagrams for Kenny Loggins thread, already
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:15 (six years ago) link
George once trolled some writers by telling them Han's full name was Hannibal Solinski.— Pablo Hidalgo (@pablohidalgo) January 9, 2017
― mh, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:17 (six years ago) link
this is canon now
― mh, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:18 (six years ago) link
as sung by duran duran
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:23 (six years ago) link
That quote from Kennedy just sounds like she's trying to assure people that they can still safely call him Han Solo. Like the name isn't being taken away from them. I don't think she's confirming that Han Solo was definitely his name at birth.
― jmm, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:24 (six years ago) link
Found this old convo about Star Wars and I daresay it's the finest critical work of the 21st century pic.twitter.com/b1AiyDWjQM— Dok (@DrPuppykicker) June 15, 2017
ran across this when I was trying to find that tweet and now I want a prequel movie about teen Luke being a fucking weirdo. I think the implication was he was doofy one of his posse in the deleted scenes from the first film
― mh, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:25 (six years ago) link
imo trying to deep read into KK's walk-back is like trying to deep read Iger's statement. she's hands-on, he's just the ceo of disney. neither one is going to say much of substance
― mh, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:27 (six years ago) link
i'm getting flashbacks to the interminable ilx 'sleep: that's where i'm a viking!' debate here
― total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:35 (six years ago) link
that was one of the best threads ever
― a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:49 (six years ago) link
language is multivalent and we are all vikings
― mh, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:54 (six years ago) link
thanks for clearing it up fellas. so in reality they meant he "makes his name" in this movie, as in, a bullshit phrase that can be applied to any film ever where a protagonist does a thing
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:57 (six years ago) link
Han Solo, First Of His Name
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 16:04 (six years ago) link
It'll have something to do with him being an orphan and being given the name "Solo" as an infant because his parents are unknown.
― jmm, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 16:10 (six years ago) link
Started off as "Dawn Solo" but transitioned young.
― how's life, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 16:11 (six years ago) link
Started off as "Roger Miller" iirc
https://img.discogs.com/tx4rXRs7g_riSKFah3ZDJxEPU1o=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-3778638-1344098379-4438.jpeg.jpg
― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 16:32 (six years ago) link
really wish I developed thicker skin to be able to survive in the entertainment industry. the BILLIONS of dollars they straight up waste on shit is amazing. they could be wasting all this money on me!
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 18:16 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWTGUE4dPq8
― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 19:08 (six years ago) link
It's officially Ron Howard: http://www.starwars.com/news/ron-howard-to-assume-directorial-duties-on-the-untitled-han-solo-film
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Thursday, 22 June 2017 14:58 (six years ago) link
Which kinda makes my head spin thinking about young Ron Howard being directed, along with young Harrison Ford, by young George Lucas on American Graffiti and now old Ron Howard will be coming in to direct the young version of an old character created by Lucas.
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Thursday, 22 June 2017 15:00 (six years ago) link
Just checked because I couldn't remember anything he'd directed recently beyond the DaVinci Code nonsense, and...dear christ, what a filmography.
― I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Thursday, 22 June 2017 15:06 (six years ago) link
Apollo 13 > Splash >>>>> the rest of the filmography
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Thursday, 22 June 2017 15:07 (six years ago) link
(j/k mostly. Cinderella Man was OK aside from the hatchet job on Max Baer. Parenthood and Cocoon were fine. Night Shift was regular viewing for me on HBO as a kid.)
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Thursday, 22 June 2017 15:09 (six years ago) link
where's the Yoda movie? that's my only SW question
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 June 2017 15:14 (six years ago) link
ron howard is like the platonic ideal of the stolid, journeyman director
― total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 22 June 2017 15:14 (six years ago) link
Ron's got a hell of a work ethic, at least
― mh, Thursday, 22 June 2017 15:15 (six years ago) link
have we done a ron howard poll btw? if not, maybe the time is right
― total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 22 June 2017 15:16 (six years ago) link
Kathleen Kennedy: "I aim to make sure the Han Solo movie as good as it can be by hiring the best directors."Ron Howard Voice: "She didn't."— Peter Labuza (@labuzamovies) June 22, 2017
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 June 2017 15:21 (six years ago) link
nobody who made Frost/Nixon is the platonic ideal of anything
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 June 2017 15:23 (six years ago) link
it must be a weird feeling (at least until the check clears) to be the guy people think of immediately when what's needed is a director with baseline competence but no other discernible/detectable qualities
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 22 June 2017 15:24 (six years ago) link
I wonder what character Clint will show up as
― PressAnarchyToContinue (Ste), Thursday, 22 June 2017 15:27 (six years ago) link
No Ron Howard poll as such, but there's a lot of overlap in this equally essential poll: Babaloo Mandell and Lowell Ganz: A Match Made In Heaven
― I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Thursday, 22 June 2017 15:28 (six years ago) link
have any actors from a Star Trek OS episode been in a SW film?
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/708/657/1024/balok.0.jpg
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 June 2017 15:30 (six years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 June 2017 15:33 (six years ago) link
Pretty sure Elisha Cook, Jr. played Dengar.
― I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Thursday, 22 June 2017 15:38 (six years ago) link
Felix Silla, apparently.
https://www.chaostrophic.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/felix-silla-star-trek-star-wars1-700x350.jpg
― jmm, Thursday, 22 June 2017 15:44 (six years ago) link
Ron Howard forever excused for his appearances on The Simpsons tbh
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Thursday, 22 June 2017 15:46 (six years ago) link
just heard they've replaced alpen stevenreich in the title role with this guy:
― total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 22 June 2017 21:06 (six years ago) link
http://68.media.tumblr.com/b759f2679a396890405a8a0520cdf098/tumblr_opfm3sDHCP1uex49zo4_400.jpg
― total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 22 June 2017 21:07 (six years ago) link
Is Ron Howard today's Robert Wise?
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 22 June 2017 23:48 (six years ago) link
Chakka teaming up with Chewbacca would be cool.
There's always money in the Millennium Falcon.
― my opinionation (Hamildan), Friday, 23 June 2017 14:13 (six years ago) link
When Kennedy felt that these measures did not get the production on track, she asked Kasdan to come to London. Kasdan is said also to have been unhappy with the limited shots and displeased that Lord and Miller were calling out lines for the actors to try from behind the monitor rather than sticking with the script that he had written in collaboration with his son. (Lord and Miller had input on the script before shooting began.) “As a writer, producer and part of Star Wars world, you get on a plane when that happens,” says a person with knowledge of the situation.But Lord and Miller were not prepared to have Kasdan become a shadow director. With an impasse reached, Kennedy finally pulled the trigger. The next day, when the crew was told that Ron Howard would take over as director, sources say they broke into applause.
But Lord and Miller were not prepared to have Kasdan become a shadow director. With an impasse reached, Kennedy finally pulled the trigger. The next day, when the crew was told that Ron Howard would take over as director, sources say they broke into applause.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-han-solo-movie-firing-new-details-behind-phil-lord-chris-miller-exit-1016619
― how's life, Monday, 26 June 2017 18:49 (six years ago) link
right after Coccon, some (clowns) judged Ronnie to be Spielberg II
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 June 2017 18:50 (six years ago) link
― a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Monday, 26 June 2017 18:53 (six years ago) link
Narrator: He wasn't
― mh, Monday, 26 June 2017 18:57 (six years ago) link
You know who they should've gotten instead of Ron Howard? George Lucas
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Monday, 26 June 2017 19:11 (six years ago) link
And, not entirely satisfied with the performance that the directors were eliciting from Rules Don't Apply star Alden Ehrenreich, Lucasfilm decided to bring in an acting coach.
http://68.media.tumblr.com/e32e028013537639c82fd4f7f8f3525f/tumblr_o6tpe8IgZp1qg4e0wo3_r1_400.gif
― nomar, Monday, 26 June 2017 19:14 (six years ago) link
omg, perfect
― mh, Monday, 26 June 2017 19:25 (six years ago) link
Snoke is Mace Windu.
― the ghost of markers, Monday, 26 June 2017 19:49 (six years ago) link
maybe Harrison Ford? "They can write this shit, kid, but we sure can't say it."
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 June 2017 19:51 (six years ago) link
Lucas is almost certainly going to direct another Star War before he dies, isn't he? Almost certainly by the time they're cranking out two or more of these things per year.
― President Buttstuff (Old Lunch), Monday, 26 June 2017 20:04 (six years ago) link
afaik the only way that'd happen is if Disney approached him and asked very nicely
I could imagine some sort of non-movie live action thing, done for an anniversary of the films, could have them reach out. No way a full length feature gets made with him directin
― mh, Monday, 26 June 2017 20:23 (six years ago) link
I'm not sure anyone in the world wants that?
― chap, Monday, 26 June 2017 20:33 (six years ago) link
there's some adult out there who was five when Episode I came out and really fucking loves pod racing
― mh, Monday, 26 June 2017 20:35 (six years ago) link
still only really interested in a Lucas story. Absolutely get someone else to direct it.
― Dominique, Monday, 26 June 2017 20:37 (six years ago) link
and write
― mh, Monday, 26 June 2017 20:38 (six years ago) link
and edit
There's also the weird contrarians who think the prequels are the only good Star Wars films, e.g. Richard Brody
― jmm, Monday, 26 June 2017 20:39 (six years ago) link
wait what
even as someone who mostly likes the prequels, this seems like an insane position to take
― a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Monday, 26 June 2017 20:40 (six years ago) link
The labyrinthine opening shot of “Revenge of the Sith”— of Anakin and Obi-Wan giving chase to Dooku through the space vehicles on the planet of Coruscant—is a mighty and audacious gauntlet-throw, the digital equivalent of the opening shot of Orson Welles’s “Touch of Evil.” It wheels and gyrates and zips and pivots with a vertiginous wonder that declares, from the beginning, that Lucas had big visual ideas and was about to realize them with a heroically inventive virtuosity. And the rest of the movie follows through on that self-dare.If I had seen “Revenge of the Sith” in real time, in a theatre upon its release, in 2005, I think that, at the moment when Palpatine (Ian McDiarmid), sizzling in the blue lightning that Mace Windu (Samuel L. Jackson) reflects back at him, cries out to Anakin (Hayden Christensen), “Power! Unlimited Power!,” I would have leaped out of my seat yelling with excitement. The entire movie is filled with an absolute splendor of the pulp sublime, and that moment is its very apogee. Lucas reaches historic heights in the filming of action: the martial artistry of Anakin and Obi-Wan’s double duel versus Dooku, the gaping maw of outer space and of the airshaft into which the heroic duo drops, Obi-Wan’s light-sabre fight with the four-armed Grievous, and, above all, the apocalyptic inferno of the confrontation of Obi-Wan and Anakin (which, regrettably, cuts back to Yoda and Emperor, a much duller battle). I watched these sequences over and over—happily, with the sound off to get rid of the musical score—and was repeatedly and unflaggingly amazed by Lucas’s precise, dynamic, wildly imaginative direction.
― Number None, Monday, 26 June 2017 20:44 (six years ago) link
yeah, the prequels are cinema's greatest force-watches (no pun intended) for me. with a lot of prep and repeated watching, you can convince yourself that dialog and quality of FX really doesn't matter, and you're just watching for appreciation of the "history". Kind of like reading The Silmarillion
but then you see one of the old ones, and jesus it's like breathing real air after being submerged in crap for an hour
― Dominique, Monday, 26 June 2017 20:45 (six years ago) link
If I had seen “Revenge of the Sith” in real time, in a theatre upon its release, in 2005
see, this is what's wrong with binge watching. you can have entire sections of dud content, but the fact you're seeing so many scenes in a row makes the better bits stand out that much more. plus, if you're watching at home, you can do things other than strictly watching the movie
reviewing something as a movie, and reviewing it as hours seven through nine of twenty hours of viewing related junk are not the same
― mh, Monday, 26 June 2017 20:54 (six years ago) link
Or watch it with the sound off, for example.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 26 June 2017 21:01 (six years ago) link
'To get rid of the musical score'
ffs
― or at night (Jon not Jon), Monday, 26 June 2017 21:19 (six years ago) link
there's much more Williams hate in the full piece
― Number None, Monday, 26 June 2017 21:23 (six years ago) link
oh god I couldn't get far enough into skimming that to see that he didn't like John Williams' score
jesus christ
― mh, Monday, 26 June 2017 21:24 (six years ago) link
it is tempting to follow this guy around online and comment "you are bad and your opinions are bad" on everything he writes
― a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Monday, 26 June 2017 21:31 (six years ago) link
Brody is a High Cinema priest who has written a very thick book on Godard. He also values Personal Expression above all. Hids fave film of '15 was Chi-Raq.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 June 2017 21:32 (six years ago) link
he also loved the Woody Allen Rome movie, and the Obamas' First Date movie
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 June 2017 21:34 (six years ago) link
Maybe all that's been keeping you from really high profile reviewing gigs is your lack of a head injury
― mh, Monday, 26 June 2017 21:35 (six years ago) link
i quit that shit shortly after seeing the Woody Allen Rome movie
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 June 2017 21:37 (six years ago) link
FTR, I was not endorsing another Lucas-directed SW joint, just saying that it's entirely possible if not likely. The world of popular entertainment is filled to the brim with folks who return to a thing after making very clear that they would never return to a thing. And let's be honest, no one foresaw Ron Howard directing a SW movie so the future directing slate is a pretty open field.
― President Buttstuff (Old Lunch), Monday, 26 June 2017 21:38 (six years ago) link
NARRATOR VOICE: It wasn't.
― a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Monday, 26 June 2017 21:40 (six years ago) link
So Rogue One popped up on Netflix and I figured I'd give it another chance. I got through the first act, basically to when they're about to go over to Mads Mikkelsen's rain-and-boulder planet, before sighing heavily and turning it off. I will say that one thing I don't think I gave it enough credit for last time around was the visual sensibility which generally was very vivid and memorable, e.g. the opening shots of Mads Mikkelsen's grass-and-igneous-rock planet, with Krennic's white imperial uniform contrasting nicely against the landscape. K2-SO and Saw have good designs, the obligatory cantina-esque "alien variety pack" scene had nice costumes and props, etc. God save us from the pointless walk-ons by the original cantina lowlifes and such grotesque franchise-dependent scene-derails as the music swelling into a bit of John Williams's classic stuff when Jimmy Smits walks into the frame to nod approvingly at something. God knows how that plays to anybody who hasn't memorized the minor cast of the first three prequels.
But man, the plot in this thing! On the second time through, knowing what gets paid off and what's a bunch of red herrings or threads abandoned in the reshoot phase, it feels really manic in its jumping between things. I checked this time - we have to adjust our minds to six different planets/locations in the opening thirteen minutes: igneous planet, prison, Jedha, wherever it is that Jyn gets busted out of a police van, kasbah asteroid where Diego Rivera kills that guy, and Yavin. Yeesh! But the real problem is how contrived and forced the conflicts are: the whole middle act happens because the Wrong-Headed Commanding Officer gives Kasabian secret orders to kill Mads Mikkelsen. Which are the same secret orders he already gave him, so the film is going out of his way to show the rebels reaffirming this plan upon receiving the news that the apparent defection of Mads seems to be legit, that the Death Star is already working and blew up Jedha, and that they should really get going to Scarif to get the Death Star plans. The commander has to say something like "who knows what Mads is working on! Stick with the plan of killing him!" You'd think Diego could muster "I think he was probably working on the Death Star, the one that blew up Jedha." So the next major leg of the movie - will he shoot Mads, be stopped by the others, or stop himself? - is based on complete silliness, like Diego's been in a different movie this whole time.
Meanwhile, our notional protagonist, Jyn has done absolutely nothing to advance the plot, and made no choices except agreeing to watch a hologram, half-heartedly. It's a good moment from her, reacting to her dad's message and her changed understanding of him, but meanwhile she's had about forty-five seconds of screen time with her estranged surrogate father figure which you'd think would be a pretty big moment too - - - but of course that would depend on us actually understanding their past, and it seems pretty clear, from the Band-Aid of the confused flashback dream montage, that this backstory was cut out of the movie late in the game, probably to make room for the superfluous X-Wing and Anonymous Assistant Commandos Video Game Objective stuff at the end. Then Saw sees the city blowing up and accepts death immediately (for no reason - some grizzled, ruthless extremist he turned out to be!) which from what I recall has no effect on Jyn whatsoever. Does she even mention his name for the rest of the movie? What a mess.
― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 23 July 2017 16:24 (six years ago) link
So you're saying you loved it.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 23 July 2017 16:26 (six years ago) link
Ha. Also: God, the Peter Cushing stuff is depressing, distracting and totally avoidable. If they felt they HAD to have that character in the movie, have it be in like, one scene, and have him conversing with Krennic over a hologram or a static-y, low-resolution video feed or something. Don't build a whole subplot around him as a substitute way of fleshing out Krennic, who doesn't get enough screen time with the heroes for that conflict to really take off. And definitely don't have him walking around on set with everybody at length. Terrible choice.
― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 23 July 2017 18:02 (six years ago) link
I'm still proud of my time in the Anonymous Assistant Commando Auxiliary, even if I never got to give all for a MacGuffin that serves as a figure of expositional dialogue in a more important and interesting story about completely different people written before I was born.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 23 July 2017 20:02 (six years ago) link
I liked the planet hopping craziness & oversized ensemble aspects, though. If this movie had been a little more Altman's MASH meets Thin Red Line i might have liked it more. Or Generation Kill: Star Wars, but that's kind of why we have a thread for Clone Wars / Rebels / etc.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 23 July 2017 20:09 (six years ago) link
lol I would be so down for R*E*B*E*L ... and the impossibility of that getting made really gives the lie to the supposedly wide variety of stories and genres that these "anthology" films were going to explore within the star wars universe. ehhhhhhh they're basically all gonna be adventure films that feel like 'the force awakens' and have some minimum number of prominently featured elements that derive from the original trilogy. so, marvel movies, but with even greater certainty of what you're going to get. disappointing, somehow.
― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 23 July 2017 20:16 (six years ago) link
but with even greater certainty of what you're going to get.
moar Deathstars
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 23 July 2017 20:36 (six years ago) link
I am NOT ENTHUSED
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/08/star-wars-obi-wan-kenobi-stand-alone
Either way, there’s lots of tantalizing potential—as long as Lucasfilm finds a way to negotiate the knowledge gap between fans who have tuned in to the animated Star Wars Rebels series, which takes place in the years between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope, and those who have not.
I don't think there is anything tantalizing in Obi-Wan's biography that hasn't been well covered in Clone Wars, the movies, and Rebels. I really wish they had a better idea than this.
Alternatively, this is telegraphing that OWK is somehow indeed Rey's grandad and they're going to cover how THAT happened. I don't care! Stop explaining everything!
― As an ilxor, I am uncompromising (El Tomboto), Thursday, 17 August 2017 23:37 (six years ago) link
negotiate the knowledge gap between fans who have tuned in to the animated Star Wars Rebels series, which takes place in the years between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope, and those who have not.
yeah how are they going to market a Star Wars movie set in between two other Star Wars movies to people that haven't seen the TV show as well?
the answer of course is leave them for dead. they are horrible consumers and if they can't consume every piece of media they will never know true knowledge.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 17 August 2017 23:46 (six years ago) link
what is the thought you are trying to express?
― As an ilxor, I am uncompromising (El Tomboto), Thursday, 17 August 2017 23:50 (six years ago) link
They’re not really into adapting novels, but the Obi Wan Book which is pretty much a western is pretty good
― mh, Friday, 18 August 2017 04:56 (six years ago) link
Would be cool if the Obi Wan film was a modern day remake of El Topo.
― Moodles, Friday, 18 August 2017 06:01 (six years ago) link
i'm hoping for an obi-wan movie that covers what he gets up to between getting killed by vader and showing up as a force ghost in the subsequent movies
just bopping around doing ghost stuff, knocking over cups of coffee and rattling chains and shit
― licking the yellow Toad next to the teleporter (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 18 August 2017 08:32 (six years ago) link
yeah the recent-ish obi wan comics are awesome
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 18 August 2017 10:43 (six years ago) link
These are all worse than those Edinburgh Fringe jokes
http://www.vulture.com/2017/08/what-exactly-would-a-stephen-daldry-obi-wan-movie-look-like.html
― As an ilxor, I am uncompromising (El Tomboto), Friday, 18 August 2017 11:49 (six years ago) link
It turns out that Obi Wan spent a lot of times learning a local Tatooine custom: shooting womp rats while racing around in a T-16
― mh, Friday, 18 August 2017 13:49 (six years ago) link
"knowledge gap" is some stealth consumer shaming.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 18 August 2017 16:22 (six years ago) link
We have title. It's obvious.
Hey #Twitterville we just wrapped production so here's a special message #StarWars pic.twitter.com/8QJqN5BGxr— Ron Howard (@RealRonHoward) October 17, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 17:15 (six years ago) link
Trying is hard.
― You don't know how bad I hate terrible grammer. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 17:20 (six years ago) link
I would've gone for The Han Job but that's just me.
― You don't know how bad I hate terrible grammer. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link
i like how he doesn't say it, so that it can be changed later in post
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 17:40 (six years ago) link
I'll be bitterly disappointed if Nerf Herder isn't played in the trailer.
― You don't know how bad I hate terrible grammer. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 17:43 (six years ago) link
finally saw rogue one this weekend, all of the jokes in that movie are horrible
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 18 December 2017 17:34 (six years ago) link
Does K2 smacking Cassian count? That was good.
― nashwan, Monday, 18 December 2017 18:14 (six years ago) link
the k2 stuff was ok
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 18 December 2017 18:24 (six years ago) link
At least it didn’t open with a “Can you hear me now?” Joke sequence.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 14:43 (six years ago) link
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 14:45 (six years ago) link
i am seeing the last jedi tonight so thanks i guess, but i’m talking about the movie with the bad jokes and the tonal incoherence and the unintelligible pointless space battle
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 15:13 (six years ago) link
sorry i should clarify further: the star wars movie with the unintelligible pointless space battle that introduces plot holes to episode iv
my friend said you can feel rogue one being rewritten as you watch it and that’s otm
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 15:15 (six years ago) link
adam c'mon there's a whole thread set up for you to try and rile people who enjoyed "the last jedi."
― the pleather of pleather paul (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 15:34 (six years ago) link
nah, im done with that. TLJ isn't good enough to pick apart. it would be like picking apart an episode of Scooby Doo. not really going to give it much thought because they clearly didn't give it any when writing it.
also im tired of Neanderthal shaming me for having the wrong opinion about Star Wars.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 22:58 (six years ago) link
Vader may be tormented from having murdered his wife by choking, but he still enjoys a good choke joke.
― jmm, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 23:18 (six years ago) link
TLJ isn't good enough to pick apart. it would be like picking apart an episode of Scooby Doo. not really going to give it much thought because they clearly didn't give it any when writing it.who are they?
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 01:57 (six years ago) link
this is massive disrespect to the writers of classic icon Scooby Doo
― mh, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 02:02 (six years ago) link
that verizon gag had way more charm and character to it than nearly anything in rogue one, thanks no. 1 terminator genysis dan adam bruneau
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 04:56 (six years ago) link
genysis fan* but also, fine, genysis dan
Paul Bettany sayin' some things:
http://www.gamesradar.com/solo-a-star-wars-story-is-like-a-gangster-movie-says-new-recruit-paul-bettany/
It’s Han Solo’s story, and of course his story would be a caper. On one level it’s a gangster movie. That’s really interesting, because it’s within the canon but really different. It’s fucking Han Solo!Suddenly, I’m an intergalactic gangster and I’m walking down some stairs and an R2 unit goes by with some champagne, and I’m like... [drops jaw] I had that feeling that I hadn’t had since I was first on a film set - I was a little boy doing the best job in the world.
Suddenly, I’m an intergalactic gangster and I’m walking down some stairs and an R2 unit goes by with some champagne, and I’m like... [drops jaw] I had that feeling that I hadn’t had since I was first on a film set - I was a little boy doing the best job in the world.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 December 2017 16:53 (six years ago) link
They need to make a SW version of The Crown about Leia growing up on Alderaan as an Organa. I would rather see that than whatever this is going to be. You might say I have a bad feeling about it.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 21 December 2017 16:59 (six years ago) link
There Will Be Hutts
― mh, Thursday, 21 December 2017 17:44 (six years ago) link
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, December 19, 2017 5:58 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it's ok I found you
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 December 2017 17:45 (six years ago) link
not into any more prequels but from a story perspective a young leia movie makes way more sense than a young han one, since she barely has an arc in the original film and sort of arrives fully formed as a badass space princess running cool spy missions under diplomatic cover... versus han who needs to arrive as an ordinary rascally schmuck who isn't important or special, in order to rise above that by finding a moral center. so you could imagine a story of her becoming that badass.
― the pleather of pleather paul (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 21 December 2017 17:47 (six years ago) link
gangster movie, eh?
"Now go home and get your fuckin' fusioncutter"
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 December 2017 17:50 (six years ago) link
see, from a “we want to flesh out details” perspective lots of things make sense, but I’d much rather watch interesting stories that happen to have characters we know in them than more paint by numbers
and there are really too many known things in the movies about the Skywalker business
― mh, Thursday, 21 December 2017 18:00 (six years ago) link
It would be nice to get a movie about something about normal everyday families trying to get by in the Empures reign.
I appreciated Rebels for actually showing some of that (ie "Empire Day")...and not tied into a major event (ie no LAST DAYS OF ALDERAAN shit)...
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 December 2017 18:14 (six years ago) link
saw Rogue One on Netflix over Christmas. i had seen it before but it was a cam bootleg. it looks really amazing - imo this has been the most successful design of a SW flick post-OT because of a primary reliance on practical sets (the cgi being a little too stylistic for some, i loved digi-Tarkin and Leia). the tropical beach planet is a nice setting and thematically i like how the film dives into that ANH-style political infighting underlying the banal evil of the Empire.
Jyn is a very compelling character. that intro is devastating, her has a little girl hiding in a field while her father (designer of the Death Star) is interrogated by Empire stormtroopers and brass. she remains faithful to her father throughout the film as she begins to work with these disparate people with various motivations. the script is really good and efficient, introducing all these characters, getting you to care for them, by showing you them caring for one another.
it was even sad when the Rebel-hacked formerly-Imperial robot K-2SO died, dutifully giving directions to the Rebel fleet waiting above for getting the all-important macguffin, aiding the Rebels in his final moments of operation, as his former Imperial co workers blast him to pieces. one of the reasons Empire was so effective was it did this a lot -- starting with Han and Chewie visibly upset and concerned for Luke's wellbeing, this empathy being tested to its limit at the end of the film.
Vader's first appearance is really awesome horror setpiece that leads up to a lame joke but in essence he is still just a cybernetic bureaucrat war criminal. Krennic appeals to him as a powerful political figure when is he screwed over by his employer, Tarkin sweeping in to fire him and take his project away from him (one of the eternally relatable banal evils of bureaucracy). Krennic and Vader are tragic figures among many: we see the Empire exploit its own time and time again, this is a large part of why they are evil. the Rebellion exploits its own but succeeds through the efforts of the individuals (who by going against orders learn the truth of the situation and gain intel justifying the final setpiece).
the island Empire R&D stronghold of the finale is an awesome concept. it sort of hints at Disneyland in Florida (an association that is likely intentional) or stunt shows but the battle scenes are all appropriately gritty while remaining PG-13. we see Jyn constantly kicking ass, taking out soldiers, scaling the impossibly tall tape archives, giving cheesy speeches. yes a lot of the dialog in this film is cardboard but that is fine and imo fitting for such a genre film. Jyn's father wrestles with his role in the creation of this device of mass murder, and this conflict informs how she fits into the Rebellion. no other SW films really seem to do this well, RO is pretty unique.
i want to note how much i loved Donnie Yen's approach to a non-Jedi Force-driven character. it was great to see the blind warrior's friendship with Jiang Wen, the two of them representing faithful/skeptical views of the Force. Forest Whitaker was a cool Rebel extremist hiding in isolation and driven mad by over-use of Interrogating Space Squid. i thought this sequence was really cool and almost made me think of Dune or something.
the ending fan service was nice, that Darth Vader scene of him tearing through the hallway full of Rebels decked out in full 70's sci fi costumes was a treat. the acting of the soldiers is great, they yell in confusion and shriek in terror, pumping up the Pulp factor in this sci fi fantasy. it is interesting to have a pretty well-made war film that is capped off with a Exploitation b-movie finale. also i noticed at the end there is a scene of him staring down at a hole in the floor of a spaceship with his cape flapping (in the space wind lol) and it makes no sense but it looks amazing, it looks like something out of a comic book.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 21:16 (six years ago) link
oh yeah that’s right, i forgot this movie had like two unearned inspirational speeches
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 21:24 (six years ago) link
adam are you trolling y/n
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 22:29 (six years ago) link
reverse trolling imo
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 23:38 (six years ago) link
I agree with Adam even if he *is* trolling lol
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 00:20 (six years ago) link
noticed at the end there is a scene of him staring down at a hole in the floor of a spaceship with his cape flapping (in the space wind lol) and it makes no sense but it looks amazing, it looks like something out of a comic bookhaven't seen this film but I'm keen now that I know how much it resembles The Hypo by Noah Van Sciver
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 01:59 (six years ago) link
adam 100% otm
― Nhex, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 04:17 (six years ago) link
adam is doing his version of a "hilarious" spoof of the talking points he imagines rubeish fanboys are intended by disney to regurgitate in youtube reviews, shame on you otmers for encouraging him in thinking this is a fiendishly witty bit of commentary on the state of things
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 04:55 (six years ago) link
wait are you trolling now
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 05:18 (six years ago) link
who's trolling whoand who's bein' true
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 05:19 (six years ago) link
it’s hard to tell when adam is just giving impressions or very cynically commenting because he’s on a level of irony several levels removed from anything mortals can decipherI think he’s just giving a good everyman commentary but idk
― mh, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 05:27 (six years ago) link
i think adam legit likes this shitty movie
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 06:02 (six years ago) link
i actually liked this movie, no trolling. this movie was actually really good. this is my real opinion
tbh i usually am not trolling when i post and it feels like reverse trolling when it is constantly brought up.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 28 December 2017 16:42 (six years ago) link
these were all nobody characters but you got their motivations, you got who they are, how they interact together, you even saw them change and adapt to the situation. all these new characters that only have minutes of screen time apiece. it's really efficient scripting.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 28 December 2017 16:46 (six years ago) link
yeah, fuck ILX hivemind this movie was good
― Nhex, Thursday, 28 December 2017 20:27 (six years ago) link
yeah i think i liked this more than the force awakens or last jedi tbh
― h.p. minecraft (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 28 December 2017 20:30 (six years ago) link
Definitely better than last jedi
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 28 December 2017 23:15 (six years ago) link
nah
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Thursday, 28 December 2017 23:53 (six years ago) link
better than TFA I'll grant
I love Rogue One. Can rewatch it anytime. I can't say that for TFA and probably won't for TLJ as well.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 29 December 2017 01:22 (six years ago) link
It's also a beautifully designed and shot film ( score sucks, though, which has been the case with all these post-Prequel SW flicks).
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 29 December 2017 01:25 (six years ago) link
I think I’ll be able to say that about TLJ and RO in a few years. Have already figured out that I’d rather rewatch almost any Marvel movie over TFA when I’m in the mood for some junk viewing (tbf I don’t consider any of the Captain America ones to be junk, I take take that shit very seriously)
― El Tomboto, Friday, 29 December 2017 01:31 (six years ago) link
I will never watch TFA again unless some notional kid of mine is into it but I'm hella ready for TLJ & RO rescreens
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 29 December 2017 01:46 (six years ago) link
― gbx, Friday, 29 December 2017 03:19 (six years ago) link
Christmas in the Stars yo
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 29 December 2017 03:46 (six years ago) link
TFA is the one I most enjoy rewatching
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 December 2017 06:23 (six years ago) link
lately, anyway
The now yearly barrage of release hype boots out any consideration or perspective of the current or previous year’s film, so I feel like it’s going to take a good 5 years of time away before these things even approach the possibility of being fairly ranked.
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 21:55 (six years ago) link
smart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnN-k2Beo4E
― piscesx, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 22:22 (six years ago) link
Freely admit, the sheer lack of ANYTHING from the Solo movie still is getting a little weird. (Saying this because Marvel just dropped the Ant-Man and the Wasp trailer and that comes out two months after the Solo film, and since they're both Disney properties and all...)
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:30 (six years ago) link
The one rumor I heard is that they're planning some sort of big publicity blitz with the Super Bowl, which I can see.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:31 (six years ago) link
so you find their lack of footage disturbing?
maybe they're still panicking about how to integrate the stuff lord and miller shot with the ron howard reshoots / new scenes
kinda feel like this is gonna be a real piece of shit tbh
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:35 (six years ago) link
What makes you feel that, besides it being a young Han Solo movie?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:36 (six years ago) link
well yeah the premise seems kinda pointless right from the off, but look at this production timeline:
June 20th, 2017: Lord & Miller depart their Han Solo spin-off film (then known only as Young Han Solo) for Disney, mere weeks from wrapping principal photography. June 22nd, 2017: Ron Howard settles into the director's chair, replacing Lord & Miller. October 17th, 2017: Production wraps on Howard's film, and it officially receives the title Solo: A Star Wars Story. October 31st, 2017: Reports surface suggesting that Howard re-shot upwards of 80% of Solo, and that the majority of Lord & Miller's footage - including Michael K. Williams - is either cut or replaced (in the case of Williams, with Paul Bettany). December 20th, 2017: Howard states that his Solo will be a "gangster movie".
June 22nd, 2017: Ron Howard settles into the director's chair, replacing Lord & Miller.
October 17th, 2017: Production wraps on Howard's film, and it officially receives the title Solo: A Star Wars Story.
October 31st, 2017: Reports surface suggesting that Howard re-shot upwards of 80% of Solo, and that the majority of Lord & Miller's footage - including Michael K. Williams - is either cut or replaced (in the case of Williams, with Paul Bettany).
December 20th, 2017: Howard states that his Solo will be a "gangster movie".
reshooting that much of a movie so close to release date seems insane to me, and choosing ron howard to direct seems to suggest disney want the most anodyne, marker-hitting take on the story cuz that's what he's good at
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:39 (six years ago) link
So this has in common with Ant-Man and the Wasp that it won’t even be as good as Ant-Man, already a pretty low bar?
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:44 (six years ago) link
that timeline also puts such a crunch on post-production that i sort of assume that most or all of the effects sequences were locked in and whatever howard did had to work around them, which doesn't exactly promise a seamlessly unfolding, well-paced narrative.
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:46 (six years ago) link
it makes absolutely no sense to rush this out for May
― mh, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 15:00 (six years ago) link
it does if you're a disney shareholder i guess
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 15:00 (six years ago) link
Exactly. Christmas make more sense anyway now they've had 3 in a row.
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 15:01 (six years ago) link
I thought everyone assumed it's going to be pushed back to December anyway
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 08:12 (six years ago) link
Rumor flurry of a trailer on Monday's GMA, but the initial listing showing that has been revised.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 February 2018 20:27 (six years ago) link
they've decided to sack the Solo film and instead are giving us a Hutt trilogy featuring Robert Deniro as Jabba
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Thursday, 1 February 2018 21:27 (six years ago) link
He's gonna gain 400lbs for the role.
― DJI, Thursday, 1 February 2018 21:55 (six years ago) link
a Hutt trilogy
Hutt One, etc
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 February 2018 21:58 (six years ago) link
ol dirty bobby live and uncut
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 1 February 2018 22:00 (six years ago) link
(ew)
haha
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Thursday, 1 February 2018 22:20 (six years ago) link
This is gonna come out in December.
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 1 February 2018 22:52 (six years ago) link
Harf harf:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80T59B2RVOo
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 2 February 2018 03:17 (six years ago) link
I have no idea whether that is meant to be ironic or not, but based on that freezeframe no way in hell am I watching
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Friday, 2 February 2018 04:39 (six years ago) link
It's Red Letter Media, so good call.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 2 February 2018 08:14 (six years ago) link
It's meant to be parody of nerd-culture youtube enthusiasts, which is a good idea and needs more making fun of, but I'm increasingly tired of RLM's faux-cynicism (in the end most shit gets a positive review except they hate on forced diversity or whatever).
― abcfsk, Friday, 2 February 2018 08:21 (six years ago) link
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/023/397/C-658VsXoAo3ovC.jpg
― mh, Friday, 2 February 2018 14:57 (six years ago) link
that spider-man pic is the gift that keeps on giving
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 2 February 2018 14:59 (six years ago) link
my mind's eye has been replaced by a series of image macros. as soon as I saw "Red Letter Media" and "parody of nerd-culture youtube enthusiasts" in quick succession the spider-men appeared
― mh, Friday, 2 February 2018 15:01 (six years ago) link
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/f4/f4e38495f84a62cd0aa43ae4e1eda3c9c1e6261f157e179c18a2776939c2944f.jpg
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 2 February 2018 15:02 (six years ago) link
I don't think it's accurate to say most of the movies they cover get positive reviews. In fact, RLM has this MST3000 "forced to watch bad movies" vibe to most of their reviews, and lately the highest praise they give to, say, superhero movies (which is 90% of all theatrical releases) is that they are competent and entertaining, which they pretty much always are. But by and large they seem pretty critical of everything they review, unless they are genuinely surprised. I do sometimes wish they would expand beyond what's in the multiplex, but other times I think that might be the best fit for them.
Actually, re: RLM, I'm shocked at how many blind spots they have, particularly Mike, who seems like this genre guy who went to film school (right?) and might be more or less my age, but then reveals he's never seen, for example, "Escape from New York" or "Blade Runner" or something like that.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 February 2018 15:26 (six years ago) link
which is 90% of all theatrical releases
I was going to take issue with this, but upon reflection, I'm going to go with it
― mh, Friday, 2 February 2018 15:29 (six years ago) link
Feels like it!
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 February 2018 15:29 (six years ago) link
I'm willing to include jedi, super-spies, and fantastical creatures in the "superhero" genre
Not sure about Paddington Bear, but a talking bear... we could make an argument
― mh, Friday, 2 February 2018 15:32 (six years ago) link
Paddington was like a superhero movie antidote.
Tbf, I know it's awards season, but all 8 movies at my local theater right now are pretty solid and/or original, save Jumanjier. In fact, I was so used to there being just two movies there (since Star Wars or whatever sucked up half the screens) that I was pleasantly surprised to see so many options!
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 February 2018 15:33 (six years ago) link
paddington bear: infinity war
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 2 February 2018 15:33 (six years ago) link
can we get a horrible Ready Player One type of movie but instead of teen/adult nostalgia it's Paddington Bear, Winnie the Pooh and friends, Mr. Toad, etc?
never mind, I think that was actually one of the later League of Extraordinary Gentlemen comics
(please don't link the 80s "animated characters tell you not to use drugs" garbage)
― mh, Friday, 2 February 2018 15:35 (six years ago) link
long overdue for a McGruff the Crime Dog movie
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 2 February 2018 15:40 (six years ago) link
hard-drinking, borderline-suicidal cop mcgruff is forced to partner with morally upright, by-the-book park ranger smokey t. bear to solve a series of grisly killings at yellowstone national park
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 2 February 2018 15:43 (six years ago) link
with sexy results
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 2 February 2018 15:44 (six years ago) link
that's just Watchmen
― mh, Friday, 2 February 2018 15:44 (six years ago) link
oic u expect innovation from your mcgruff/smokey crossover movie
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 2 February 2018 15:46 (six years ago) link
xxxp I believe that comic also had the Golliwog so be careful what u wish for
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Friday, 2 February 2018 15:49 (six years ago) link
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Friday, February 2, 2018 10:43 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
There is a comic series in publication right now called Spencer & Locke which is basically "What if Calvin & Hobbes but a gritty detective story?"
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Friday, 2 February 2018 15:52 (six years ago) link
1000 Movies/TV Shows that need completely unnecessary "dark and gritty" remakes
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Friday, 2 February 2018 16:05 (six years ago) link
im entirely uninterested in this movie. TLJ showed they have zero new ideas about what to do with Star Wars, it is just going to be fetishizing the original trilogy from here on out.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 2 February 2018 17:02 (six years ago) link
are you sure you didn't rewatch The Force Awakens or Rogue One instead of The Last Jedi
― mh, Friday, 2 February 2018 17:04 (six years ago) link
xpost yep, cos clearly the one overwhelming concern TLJ-haters shared was that it was that it was too beholden to the ideas of the original series
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 2 February 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link
you used to be able to shit on SW movies, even ones you like. i used to complain about ROTJ as a kid. if you say something bad now you are labelled a hater. were Jar Jar defenders accusing people of being haters back in the day?
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 2 February 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
the way i remember it was "if you're complaining about jar jar you may have forgotten these movies are for children"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 2 February 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link
I think TLJ doesn't skew far from the Star Wars mold but it seems like a weird argument to make that _that one_ is the straw that broke the camel's back
it's like saying the problem with the original Star Wars movie was too much Darth Vader
― mh, Friday, 2 February 2018 17:43 (six years ago) link
Before mass adoption of the internet? Who knows.
But even before nerdshit/genre entertainment culture took over all major culture, “geek identity” was definitely a thing where personal consumption choices formed the self-concept for a lot of people. Anything not perceived as unqualified praise for some intellectual property was automatically now a personal attack and calling for massive defensive response. This happens in music, too, obv.
Hell, somebody wrote some ungodly long essay defending the Prequels against the original Plinkett vids many years back.
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 2 February 2018 18:38 (six years ago) link
Picard is no Captain Kirk, I'll tell you what
― mh, Friday, 2 February 2018 18:39 (six years ago) link
the two multiplexes nearest me are showing I Tonya and Call Me By Your Name and The Post and The Shape Of Water and Padmaavat and Lady Bird and Mary And The Witch's Flower and Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri and Till The End Of The World as well as Star Wars and The Greatest Showman and 2manji
(also in walking distance: the revival house is showing Groundhog Day and Grand Budapest Hotel, the arthouse is showing a montage of Russian dashboard cams)
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Friday, 2 February 2018 18:43 (six years ago) link
the arthouse is showing a montage of Russian dashboard cams)
lol what
― gbx, Friday, 2 February 2018 18:48 (six years ago) link
rlm types stay in their shallow pool on purpose imo, not cuz they think it's actually deep but cuz they wanna feel tall
i more or less loved tlj tho.
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 2 February 2018 18:49 (six years ago) link
surely Groundhog Day is about a man with the super power to turn back time one day
― mh, Friday, 2 February 2018 18:50 (six years ago) link
nerve-wracking dashboard cam movie trailer: https://www.traileraddict.com/the-road-movie/trailer
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Friday, 2 February 2018 18:51 (six years ago) link
or, in a more thrilling twist, it's the groundhog who is the manipulator of time, super-powered animal, definitely a genre flick
― mh, Friday, 2 February 2018 18:51 (six years ago) link
Hero monologue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDQd5r_L-_c
― jmm, Friday, 2 February 2018 18:54 (six years ago) link
tbh my initial thought was "90%? fucking come on, man!" but then I looked at the list of movies and decided to roll with the hyperbole
― mh, Friday, 2 February 2018 18:56 (six years ago) link
guarantee I'm going to enjoy the dashboard movie more than the three (3!!!) superhero movies I saw last year
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Friday, 2 February 2018 19:50 (six years ago) link
would you uh
would you characterise that as an um
as a dashboard confessional
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 2 February 2018 20:04 (six years ago) link
would be interested in comparing the views of an aggregated group of popular russian dashboard cam videos on youtube compared to the number of movie trailer views
it's probably close
― mh, Friday, 2 February 2018 20:40 (six years ago) link
hey guys i went to the virtual reality Star Wars Secrets of the Empire at Disney Springs here is my proof
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Saturday, 3 February 2018 23:36 (six years ago) link
Btw it was the most incredible VR experience ever. U get rendered in real time and shoot stormtroopers
that rendering process in fullhttp://mavitecrendering.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Systematic-overview-Rendering-plant.jpg
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 3 February 2018 23:43 (six years ago) link
yeah i came out w/ an extra arm, now i gotta figure out what to do w/ it
― Hi diddley dee, hen fapper's life for me (Neanderthal), Sunday, 4 February 2018 04:29 (six years ago) link
Beat a Wookiee at a board game
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 February 2018 05:36 (six years ago) link
finished Season 2. Maul returns!!!!
― Hi diddley dee, hen fapper's life for me (Neanderthal), Sunday, 4 February 2018 13:22 (six years ago) link
I don't see the utility meter data in that diagram. FAKE.
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Sunday, 4 February 2018 13:56 (six years ago) link
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 4 February 2018 23:45 (six years ago) link
I like Donald glover’s Guy fawkes look tho tbh
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 4 February 2018 23:46 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Szts88zY4o
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Monday, 5 February 2018 00:05 (six years ago) link
Full trailer tomorrow.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 February 2018 00:06 (six years ago) link
wow even the commercial feels rushed and poorly paced. how hard is it to give a full beat after "your name" in order for the title drop to land?
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 5 February 2018 00:14 (six years ago) link
*shrug* I'm all for weird cloud lighting and whatever else we're getting.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 February 2018 00:16 (six years ago) link
This movie appears to have a train heist, I can't not be in for that.
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Monday, 5 February 2018 00:23 (six years ago) link
Door trailer
― Moodles, Monday, 5 February 2018 00:27 (six years ago) link
Uhhhh...
Dope trailer
― Moodles, Monday, 5 February 2018 00:28 (six years ago) link
looks fun, totally game
― byton frylock (alomar lines), Monday, 5 February 2018 00:30 (six years ago) link
It was once believed that the US would be remembered for jazz and baseball. Instead, it will be crippled NFL players and Star Wars movies. #SuperBowl— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) February 5, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 February 2018 02:08 (six years ago) link
One of the sad side effects of winning WW II
― Moodles, Monday, 5 February 2018 02:10 (six years ago) link
tbh in the most populous movies I think Star Wars is outranked, at the least, by rock and roll
― mh, Monday, 5 February 2018 03:41 (six years ago) link
Morbius will be remembered for troll RTs of Perrin and Greenwald
― El Tomboto, Monday, 5 February 2018 03:44 (six years ago) link
i wish i'd be remembered for killing the NFL and Star Wars, but the plan isn't complete.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 February 2018 09:00 (six years ago) link
Nice touch with the Falcon interior looking all new & shiny
― groovypanda, Monday, 5 February 2018 10:32 (six years ago) link
And full trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNW0B0HsvVs
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 February 2018 13:36 (six years ago) link
woody harrelson?
― 龜, Monday, 5 February 2018 13:43 (six years ago) link
that font that says SUMMER is so chintzy looking. this is coming out in three months??
Woody's been an announced member of the cast from almost the get-go. And yup, three and a half months.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 February 2018 13:45 (six years ago) link
i still refuse to believe we are not getting a big twist reveal that woody is greedo's father
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 5 February 2018 13:45 (six years ago) link
Woody is Maury Fett, Jango's cousin
― Hi diddley dee, hen fapper's life for me (Neanderthal), Monday, 5 February 2018 13:48 (six years ago) link
Uhhhhhh...I've got a bad...well, you know.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 5 February 2018 13:49 (six years ago) link
Not getting Han vibes off Ehrenreich (sp?) at all
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 5 February 2018 13:51 (six years ago) link
The effects look rushed (maybe unfinished?) but could be fun. Glover as Lando is pretty spot on.
― chap, Monday, 5 February 2018 13:53 (six years ago) link
FROM THE DIRECTOR OF 'CINDERELLA MAN'
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 5 February 2018 13:55 (six years ago) link
xxpost doesn't help that his voice doesn't have anywhere near the timbre of Ford's. he's forcing his lower register too much.
but....from a trailer, it's hard to say, and could be fun. this is probably my least anticipated of the recent Star Wars films tho.
― Hi diddley dee, hen fapper's life for me (Neanderthal), Monday, 5 February 2018 13:56 (six years ago) link
Yeah and there's also Chewie. But getting deja vu as well from having yet another posh sounding pretty English brunette in these films. Turning into a trademark. Switch it up, folks.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 5 February 2018 13:57 (six years ago) link
shoulda had her with a Yiddish accent IMO
― Hi diddley dee, hen fapper's life for me (Neanderthal), Monday, 5 February 2018 13:58 (six years ago) link
Or Nuyorican!
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 5 February 2018 13:59 (six years ago) link
- donald glover looks good- allbran eronsorkin looks far more smug than harrison ford ever was- but honestly who gives a shit
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 5 February 2018 14:00 (six years ago) link
The "This Summer" font is the same one Lucasfilm has been using in a lot of TV spots and DVD menus for years now.
https://filmedge.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/swapp1_570.jpg
https://ytimg.googleusercontent.com/vi/dZPCZrgcB5o/mqdefault.jpg
https://i2.ytimg.com/vi/VlwFSKRJjFI/0.jpg
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Monday, 5 February 2018 14:00 (six years ago) link
People who like star wars films?
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 5 February 2018 14:00 (six years ago) link
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 5 February 2018 14:01 (six years ago) link
yet another posh sounding pretty English brunette
there's been a couple of space Scots in the last couple of movies - is it too late to go back and have emilia clarke redub her lines in an incomprehensible aberdonian brogue?
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 5 February 2018 14:05 (six years ago) link
i like star wars films! just finding it pretty hard to generate much interest in this one
lol @ "allbran eronsorkin"
― Hi diddley dee, hen fapper's life for me (Neanderthal), Monday, 5 February 2018 14:06 (six years ago) link
I demand they re-dub Simon Pegg's lines in The Force Awakens and restore his native accent
― mh, Monday, 5 February 2018 14:49 (six years ago) link
I’m very disappointed that Fleabag is relegated to a droid that they actually named L3-37
― El Tomboto, Monday, 5 February 2018 15:27 (six years ago) link
This one I’m not lining up outside the uptown for, that’s a fact
― El Tomboto, Monday, 5 February 2018 15:28 (six years ago) link
not sure if they just trailered it up but the music in that doesn't seem very star wars-y, they're edging closer and closer to being another generic franchise i guess
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 5 February 2018 15:39 (six years ago) link
triumphant fanfares don't hew as nicely to a space gangster film like they do to space films about war
― Hi diddley dee, hen fapper's life for me (Neanderthal), Monday, 5 February 2018 15:52 (six years ago) link
This doesn't look terrible but making a movie no one really asked for and which was ultimately helmed by Ron Howard kinda feels like they're testing the waters to see if SW fans actually will pay to see anything labeled as a SW movie. Looking forward to the Lowell & Ganz-penned Porkins prequel.
― How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 15:54 (six years ago) link
(NB, I have actually watched (almost) every MCU thing because it's labeled as an MCU thing.)
― How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 15:56 (six years ago) link
can't wait to meet F4N-SRV, and IP-$$ in future instalments
― rob, Monday, 5 February 2018 15:56 (six years ago) link
I just imagined Woody Harrelson saying "Star Wars?" and giggled for a minute. I really hope this movie means I get to see a series of interviews where he just says.. "Star Wars"
― mh, Monday, 5 February 2018 16:00 (six years ago) link
I'm picturing his character constantly breaking the fourth wall with a shit-eating grin. 'Man. How 'bout these Star Wars, huh? Ain't they something?' And the other characters just looking away uncomfortably and trying to change the subject.
― How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 16:14 (six years ago) link
'We sure could use some Jedi right about now. I wonder when they're gonna Return, don't you?'
― How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 16:15 (six years ago) link
I can't think of an instance where Woody Harrelson has failed to sell me on what initially seemed like a questionable decision to cast Woody Harrelson in a role so he's the least of my worries wrt Solo.
― How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 16:22 (six years ago) link
yeah, woody harrelson is never the weak link
what a career that guy's had, man - we should do a woody poll (*snort*) sometime
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 5 February 2018 16:24 (six years ago) link
imo he should say the title in every movie, but it only happens in half of his films
"This country.. it's just not for old men"
"Welcome to the hunger games"
"Well, then I guess you're the true detective, here"
― mh, Monday, 5 February 2018 16:25 (six years ago) link
this movie will live or die by this alden ehrenreich's performance and the trailer didn't look too promising. imo
― 龜, Monday, 5 February 2018 16:28 (six years ago) link
the voice isn't quite right, the intonation on a couple lines was almost there but not confident enough imo
― mh, Monday, 5 February 2018 16:29 (six years ago) link
rumours about on-set acting lessons for albut everquest do not bode well
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 5 February 2018 16:30 (six years ago) link
they should have bribed Harrison Ford to record himself reading the script and then had the kid mimic it for a few weeks until he got it right
apparently Bruce Willis actually did that for Joseph Gordon-Levitt during the production of Looper but uh I guess he was actually in that movie
― mh, Monday, 5 February 2018 16:34 (six years ago) link
It can't possibly be too late to bring Ford in and have him reshoot all of Ehrenreich's scenes wearing young people makeup. I mean, they still have months until this thing is due in theaters!
― How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 16:35 (six years ago) link
Maybe change the director another time or two while they're at it, why not.
― How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 16:36 (six years ago) link
Ron Howard the only Star Wars director to have won an Oscar, thereby having one more than two-time nominee George Lucas. What a strange sentence to be writing.
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Monday, 5 February 2018 16:47 (six years ago) link
one bald man fighting over a comb
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 5 February 2018 16:50 (six years ago) link
Ron Howard's work ethic as a director is kind of wild
― mh, Monday, 5 February 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link
it's the kind of directorial career that can only be described as 'stolid'
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 5 February 2018 16:54 (six years ago) link
narrator: it has never been described as 'stolid'
― mark s, Monday, 5 February 2018 16:58 (six years ago) link
like a #4 on the bristol stool scale
― Hi diddley dee, hen fapper's life for me (Neanderthal), Monday, 5 February 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link
No one can argue that Ron Howard hasn't made some astoundingly feature-length films in his career, or that his projects are ever anything less than fully-staffed.
― How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 17:02 (six years ago) link
I see a Ron Howard picture and I don't even have to question whether there will be end credits, a title, actors performing throughout its runtime. He's the total package.
― How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
Truly, Ron Howard is one of our most extant directors
― direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Monday, 5 February 2018 17:05 (six years ago) link
Solid Entertainment Value
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 5 February 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link
would that it twerr so simple
― El Tomboto, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link
I'd err in the direction of "workhorse" over "hack" in that he can churn out movies regardless of genre convention but it's open for debate
― mh, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:09 (six years ago) link
plus I've heard he smells very nice
― Hi diddley dee, hen fapper's life for me (Neanderthal), Monday, 5 February 2018 17:09 (six years ago) link
lol silby
― ogmor, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:10 (six years ago) link
Ron Howard seems totally competent enough to direct a Star Wars movie, I think? I mean, do people think he's significantly worse than JJ Abrams?
― silverfish, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:14 (six years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:16 (six years ago) link
xpost Well, he's no Irvin Kershner, that's for sure.
― How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 17:17 (six years ago) link
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:20 (six years ago) link
(think I've made that joke already, possibly twice)
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
So, they reshot like 80-90% of this, right?
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 5 February 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
yeah they realized after they shot the film the first time that they were using the shooting script for Valerian
― Hi diddley dee, hen fapper's life for me (Neanderthal), Monday, 5 February 2018 17:24 (six years ago) link
OK a Lord & Miller Valerian could have been great
― El Tomboto, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
albut everquest
lmao
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link
verily, the goof-potential for almond germanreich's name has nearly reached cumberbatch levels
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Monday, 5 February 2018 19:23 (six years ago) link
obv the Coens movie is the only think you belt-and-suspenders ppl have seen him in
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 February 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
didn't realize you were such a big fan of Supernatural
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Monday, 5 February 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link
you belt-and-suspenders ppl
i love this
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 5 February 2018 19:38 (six years ago) link
I find securing my pantaloons with a bungee cord to not be my thing personally but u do u Morbsy.
― How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 19:40 (six years ago) link
buddy i haven't even seen him in that
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 5 February 2018 19:41 (six years ago) link
just Tetro and Rules Don't Apply?
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 February 2018 19:45 (six years ago) link
Only thing I've seen him in is **checks notes** a trailer for some Star Wars movie.
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Monday, 5 February 2018 19:47 (six years ago) link
he was middling in that episode of supernatural iirc
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 5 February 2018 19:49 (six years ago) link
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Monday, February 5, 2018 8:24 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i had a woody poll thread back in 2010
― omar little, Monday, 5 February 2018 19:50 (six years ago) link
*snort*
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 5 February 2018 19:50 (six years ago) link
he's still truckin'
― mh, Monday, 5 February 2018 19:51 (six years ago) link
I'll see any flick that's sporting a Woody.
― How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link
Woody hair? Ill, son!
Someone can have that for a dn. You're welcome.
― How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 19:53 (six years ago) link
*crickets*
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 5 February 2018 19:56 (six years ago) link
The best ideas are never appreciated in their own time. I'm used to it by now.
― How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 19:57 (six years ago) link
Bill Pullman in Spaceballs vibe, especially the hair.
― piscesx, Monday, 5 February 2018 20:23 (six years ago) link
lone star, a spaceballs story
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 5 February 2018 20:27 (six years ago) link
he's definitely got a nice full head of hair which I can appreciatehard to get a sense for much else character-wise
glover looks badass obv
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 5 February 2018 21:29 (six years ago) link
"i might be the only person... who knows... what you really are!"
"what's that?"
^^ these were the killer lines they pulled for the trailer
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
i'm intrigued to know what he really is tho
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link
a bronie?
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link
Spoiler: his last name is actually Duet.
― I'm very active in the pegasus community (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
Okay, so now there's this
http://www.starwars.com/news/game-of-thrones-creators-david-benioff-and-d-b-weiss-to-write-and-produce-a-new-series-of-star-wars-films
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 20:58 (six years ago) link
What’s the point at which a commodity becomes so mass-produced the rate of return begins to fall?
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 21:05 (six years ago) link
xpcan a live action Star Wars series be far behind?
― Dominique, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 21:07 (six years ago) link
also, just got back from Target, where Lion King 1 1/2 blu ray was on sale
already in the works for Disney's streaming service xpost
― Number None, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 21:08 (six years ago) link
less than shocking!
― Dominique, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 21:11 (six years ago) link
xp Just a few weeks ago, I was looking up The Lion King, assumed TLK 1 1/2 was some kind of home video rerelease of the original, but it turned out to be some half-baked spinoff. Was nonplussed.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:14 (six years ago) link
TLK 1-1/2 is basically the Rosencrantz and Guildenstern version of the original w/Timon and Pumbaa as the main characters. It's funny, if inessential.
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:16 (six years ago) link
Gearing up on more fronts:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/star-wars-tv-series-disney-developing-a-few-streaming-service-1082523
And when the quote is directly from Bob Iger...
"We are developing not just one, but a few Star Wars series specifically for the Disney direct-to-consumer app. We've mentioned that and we are close to being able to reveal at least one of the entities that is developing that for us. Because the deal isn't completely closed, we can't be specific about that," he said during an earnings call Tuesday. "I think you'll find the level of talent … on the television front will be rather significant as well."
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 01:59 (six years ago) link
which app is this, really, because the disney channel app is all kid stuff I guess it’s a new tier between disney/abc/movie
― mh, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 02:06 (six years ago) link
(meaning they have an internal “release channel” concept that isn’t related to tv/movie streams directly)
I loves me some Star Wars but They’re gonna have to work some wit into these things bc I can’t imagine wanting to watch dour space operas for the rest of my life
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 02:39 (six years ago) link
"one of the entities"https://www.horrorphilia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ENTITY_gallery_15.jpg
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 02:45 (six years ago) link
i think this is related to the fox deal? like acquiring enough beloved properties across various demographics that they pull out from all other streaming platforms, confident that you will subscribe to their equiv of netflix or whatever.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 04:25 (six years ago) link
Yeah they're pulling all their content from Netflix next year. It's a direct competitor
― Number None, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 07:09 (six years ago) link
Almost nobody is around to remember when the Supreme Court forced the studios to divest from their theater chains. Or that Disney was part of the SIMPP that helped the decision along. We never learn anything
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 08:21 (six years ago) link
Meantime
http://ew.com/movies/2018/02/07/solo-star-wars-story-ew-cover/
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:17 (six years ago) link
ew indeed
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:18 (six years ago) link
Woody's character is called Tobias Beckett?! What a bizarre name for a Star Wars character.I hope Chewie has a long hand to hand combat scene - just beating folks up left right and centre.
― nashwan, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:06 (six years ago) link
It seems to me an obvious but sadly unexploited gag to have a character in a SW movie with a totally normal present-day earth name that none of the other characters can pronounce.
'Hello, I'm Bill Jenkins.''I have no idea what you just said to me.'
― I'm very active in the pegasus community (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:19 (six years ago) link
O wait, Disney has just called, I will now be writing a Star War based on the strength of my previous post.
― I'm very active in the pegasus community (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:21 (six years ago) link
These days they're usually giving out trilogies to write, maybe that previous post could have been stronger
― silverfish, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:33 (six years ago) link
I'm on board with this factory-fresh Millennium Falcon. https://io9.gizmodo.com/this-is-our-best-look-yet-at-the-millennium-falcon-befo-1822865902
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--5G297Tiv--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/dxm6gmfqtixzyzuqzftc.gif
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Friday, 9 February 2018 16:43 (six years ago) link
Last scene of SOLO? They land on Mos Eisley, head to the Cantina and neo-Han randomly bumps into a CGI Alec Guinness on the way "Oops sorry old man… " “Ah i may have a job for you…” FIN. Or something.
― piscesx, Sunday, 11 February 2018 20:23 (six years ago) link
Chewie: "I have a bad feeling about this."
FIN
― jmm, Sunday, 11 February 2018 20:55 (six years ago) link
“Man I sure am tired of all these star wars.”
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Sunday, 11 February 2018 22:03 (six years ago) link
let's get the guy who made this redub the whole thing:https://youtu.be/QCeg9AyFWVw
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 February 2018 00:24 (six years ago) link
https://io9.gizmodo.com/exclusive-here-are-the-first-solo-a-star-wars-story-a-1822974071
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--1beKeIuW--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/k0soixbxilq7ii5uls8c.png
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 17:10 (six years ago) link
jeez..
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de/t/5a9b14f18165f558742e9624/1520112889320/28661061_10156213853886880_2140730645150695424_o.jpg
https://movieweb.com/han-solo-movie-character-posters-artist-stealing-design/
― piscesx, Sunday, 4 March 2018 22:49 (six years ago) link
"we need something that evokes a false memory of 70s design - wow, these are great"
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 March 2018 23:11 (six years ago) link
Would see Chewie as the free jazz type and Lando as electronic funk, tbh.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 4 March 2018 23:12 (six years ago) link
lol wow
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 4 March 2018 23:22 (six years ago) link
holy shit that is shameless
― bathed and ready for a snack (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 4 March 2018 23:23 (six years ago) link
I hope they get sued
― Moodles, Sunday, 4 March 2018 23:34 (six years ago) link
I thought it was some weird tie-in at first. wow.
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 5 March 2018 00:41 (six years ago) link
is it even known for sure that Disney didn't pay Sony, since they wouldn't necessarily have to inform the artist?
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 5 March 2018 00:46 (six years ago) link
http://www.starwars.com/news/jon-favreau-to-executive-produce-write-live-action-star-wars-series
Lucasfilm is excited to announce that Emmy-nominated producer and actor Jon Favreau has signed on to executive produce and write a live-action Star Wars series for Disney’s new direct-to-consumer platform. Favreau is no stranger to the Star Wars galaxy having played roles in both the Star Wars: The Clone Wars animated series and in the upcoming Solo: A Star Wars Story.“I couldn’t be more excited about Jon coming on board to produce and write for the new direct-to-consumer platform,” says Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy. “Jon brings the perfect mix of producing and writing talent, combined with a fluency in the Star Wars universe. This series will allow Jon the chance to work with a diverse group of writers and directors and give Lucasfilm the opportunity to build a robust talent base.”
“I couldn’t be more excited about Jon coming on board to produce and write for the new direct-to-consumer platform,” says Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy. “Jon brings the perfect mix of producing and writing talent, combined with a fluency in the Star Wars universe. This series will allow Jon the chance to work with a diverse group of writers and directors and give Lucasfilm the opportunity to build a robust talent base.”
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:42 (six years ago) link
I can't keep track of all the Star Wars.
― jmm, Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:48 (six years ago) link
were we ever not in a Star War
― mh, Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link
Disney’s new direct-to-consumer platform
luv2have my disney #content served directly to me on a #consumer #platform
― War, Famine, Pestilence, Death, Umami (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link
I hope it shows everyday galaxy life like going to the grocery store to get fried Banta or w/e they eat
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 8 March 2018 16:33 (six years ago) link
"Dinner With the Fetts"
― DJI, Thursday, 8 March 2018 19:41 (six years ago) link
Nothing says Star Wars like "from the writer and director of CHEF"— Peter Labuza (@labuzamovies) March 8, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 March 2018 21:16 (six years ago) link
yeah what was iron man anyway
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 9 March 2018 21:34 (six years ago) link
i just bit that and tweeted it at em to see what he says
― It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 March 2018 21:36 (six years ago) link
Poorly-formed joek aside, dude has definitely made some money for Disney as a director. That shit'll get you pushed up the food chain.
https://i.imgur.com/afPlIos.jpg
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Friday, 9 March 2018 21:41 (six years ago) link
for Disney
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Friday, 9 March 2018 21:43 (six years ago) link
i just bit that and tweeted it at em to see what he says― It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, March 9, 2018 9:36 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, March 9, 2018 9:36 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
better off making a pod save america joke
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 9 March 2018 21:50 (six years ago) link
also chef is obviously ABOUT iron man cmon fam
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 10 March 2018 07:00 (six years ago) link
ah the characteristic good humor of the Jedi
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 10 March 2018 08:18 (six years ago) link
How's that new Spielberg movie looking?
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Sunday, 11 March 2018 23:42 (six years ago) link
Hoos just made me kinda want to watch Chef
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 11 March 2018 23:46 (six years ago) link
chef made me want to eat foods
― I’m 16 and a member of UKIP’s youth wing, young independence (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 11 March 2018 23:56 (six years ago) link
Chef is not great but tbh it did make me want to eat foods
― just noticed tears shaped like florida. (sic), Monday, 12 March 2018 00:33 (six years ago) link
you guys have sold me on watching Chef
eating foods is probably my biggest expenditure, love doing it
― mh, Monday, 12 March 2018 01:13 (six years ago) link
the toasted cheese sandwich in Chef is the greatest toasted cheese sandwich in movies.
― piscesx, Monday, 12 March 2018 01:55 (six years ago) link
aw yeah, it's certainly the most lovingly-photographed foods in a movie about preparing and eating foods
damn now i want some foods again
― I’m 16 and a member of UKIP’s youth wing, young independence (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 12 March 2018 09:49 (six years ago) link
Chef is a boring advert for Twitter.
― chap, Monday, 12 March 2018 10:14 (six years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Sunday, March 11, 2018 11:46 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
guy runs a successful big project but he gets into it with some critics and demands a rematch with them and when he gets it this time they're mad because they actually wanted more of the predictable same from him and so he decides to throw it all away to make something small and homey on his own terms, with a food truck smaller budget
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 March 2018 16:37 (six years ago) link
also involves a guy with a goatee climbing into a metal apparatus and performing acts of heroism
― I’m 16 and a member of UKIP’s youth wing, young independence (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 12 March 2018 16:41 (six years ago) link
a space film abt intra-species food prep wd be good not bad
― mark s, Monday, 12 March 2018 16:53 (six years ago) link
star snax
You just know dude is going to do a series set in the Mos Eisley cantina
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 12 March 2018 20:41 (six years ago) link
Now a tapas bar
"We don't serve nachos."
http://media.comicbook.com/2017/10/star-wars-holiday-special-bea-arthur-ackmena-canon-1040328-1280x0.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 March 2018 21:38 (six years ago) link
http://www.vulture.com/2018/03/solo-a-star-wars-story-actor-details-production-troubles.html
― Number None, Monday, 26 March 2018 18:23 (six years ago) link
“They have to make it good after The Last Jedi didn’t make as much money as expected,” he says. “If they want to keep making Star Wars movies, it has to be good.”
― Number None, Monday, 26 March 2018 18:25 (six years ago) link
There's no way this will be as good as the hugely profitable and highly acclaimed Last Jedi
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 26 March 2018 18:57 (six years ago) link
I am super confident that an anonymous source who is not one of the film’s marquee stars [but] was in a prime position to observe the directors’ contrasting on-set modi operandi is also in a position to discuss the importance of this movie the Disney/Lucasfilm's bottom line and the future of the franchise, for sure.
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Monday, 26 March 2018 19:05 (six years ago) link
Like, the source obviously ain't Donald Glover, Woody Harrelson or herself from Game of Thrones, and it's not the dude playing Chewbacca if he wants to keep playing Chewbacca, so WGAF?
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Monday, 26 March 2018 19:06 (six years ago) link
I hope it isn't the guy playing Jaxxon. Been looking forward to him appearing in his own spinoff.
― mh, Monday, 26 March 2018 19:07 (six years ago) link
directors being sacked when the film is mostly done is inauspicious to say the least. these movies are so made by committee that we may not be able to tell mind you
― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Monday, 26 March 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link
"tlj didn't make as much money as expected" it's the ninth highest grossing movie of all time! sheesh
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 26 March 2018 19:14 (six years ago) link
least interesting line of the gossip imo
― mh, Monday, 26 March 2018 19:45 (six years ago) link
yeah, but it was certainly the dumbest
― Number None, Monday, 26 March 2018 19:46 (six years ago) link
I understand that current technology makes it easier than ever to do a bunch of takes and play around in editing, but it's reminiscent of a few conversations I've seen online and had myself lately about directors who have done that historically. You could chalk it up to experimentation or Lord and Miller having less experience, but in the past there's been praise for directors (*cough* Kubrick) who pounded the performance they wanted out of the actors.
I guess my take would be that if you have to abuse your actors or work them until they're broken, then maybe you should hone your ability to direct humans and learn to communicate what you want them to do. To paraphrase that anecdotal Olivier quote: Have you considered directing?
― mh, Monday, 26 March 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link
I like more Lord & Miller films from the last nine years than Ron Howard films from the last 33 years, I don't think inexperience is an issue
― just noticed tears shaped like florida. (sic), Monday, 26 March 2018 20:21 (six years ago) link
fair
― mh, Monday, 26 March 2018 20:22 (six years ago) link
i suspect it's a bit of both - there was genuine disagreement on the tone, and also their methods for making 21 Jump Street did not smoothly integrate into a Star Wars picture
― Nhex, Monday, 26 March 2018 20:48 (six years ago) link
like you can't do 30 takes on a Star Wars movie, every minute is expensive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R66FvPTj2Yw
unless you are Irvin Kershner and Harrison Ford
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 26 March 2018 20:52 (six years ago) link
ha point taken
― Nhex, Monday, 26 March 2018 20:58 (six years ago) link
lol @ "I love you" / "I love you too"
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 26 March 2018 21:05 (six years ago) link
The Last Jedi didn't super slightly disappoint box office wise because of the film, i think it was because the marketing was pretty uninspired. for one, i recognize they wanted to differentiate between TFA and the new one, but considering it was 75% space battles it was weird how heavily they leaned on the salt flats battle in the posters and early ads.
― omar little, Monday, 26 March 2018 21:09 (six years ago) link
Easy -- hell of a visual.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 March 2018 21:29 (six years ago) link
it occurred to me today how much DEATH and DYING of major characters there is in star wars. empire, which is supposed to be the "dark" and grown up one, is the only one where nobody important dies! (i think?) anyway can we please just have a fun one with nobody dying? thx
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 26 March 2018 21:41 (six years ago) link
it's not called STAR FUNS, come on
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 26 March 2018 21:45 (six years ago) link
How dare you? Luke's tauntaun was very important! Plus, nearly all the most experienced imperial starship admirals bit it too. You think those ships can just be run by a skeleton crew?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 26 March 2018 21:47 (six years ago) link
our good friend Righty, Luke's hand
― mh, Monday, 26 March 2018 21:56 (six years ago) link
Ice Cave Monster RIP
Dude just wanted a snack
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 26 March 2018 22:31 (six years ago) link
Luke's good friend Righty, for that matter.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 26 March 2018 22:34 (six years ago) link
Who will weep for the noble imperial probe droid that Han and Chewie so callously destroyed?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 26 March 2018 22:36 (six years ago) link
Trash compactor monster: dead or alive?
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 26 March 2018 22:44 (six years ago) link
wars impact people on levels beyond dying/not dying. there is mutilation (Luke's hand cut off), there is torture (Han being tortured offscreen), the way we witness people expressing concern for others , emoting pain at the thought of the suffering of others. Empire is full of this stuff. Rogue One is probably the closest they got to that. nobody suffers, cares or mourns in TLJ, deaths are there for character motivation & plot devices (Rose at the beginning and at the end). death is glorious and individual lives are secondary to the abstracted eternal war.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 00:00 (six years ago) link
Lobot's head thing looked pretty uncomfortable.
― to eat a little "snack", to have an snack (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 00:32 (six years ago) link
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 00:53 (six years ago) link
nobody suffers, cares or mourns in TLJ
You didn't watch the film, did you.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 01:29 (six years ago) link
I’ll admit that detail may have slipped past me
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 02:17 (six years ago) link
Anyway, FWIW
Maybe don’t believe everything you read— Chris Miller (@chrizmillr) March 27, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 04:16 (six years ago) link
You get a parking violation and a maggot on your sleeve?
― how's life, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 08:09 (six years ago) link
“[Lord and Miller] used whole sets. But Ron is just using parts from those sets. I guess they’re not shooting wide angle. Maybe to save money.”
chairs + green screen what could go wrong
― adam the (abanana), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 22:12 (six years ago) link
Let's look back
https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-director-of-rogue-ones-mythic-reshoots-speaks-out-f-1825019244
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 April 2018 20:16 (six years ago) link
oofwhat’s gareth reynolds up to nowadays anyway?
― star wars ep viii: the bay of porgs (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 5 April 2018 20:21 (six years ago) link
stand-up comedy and a patreon-supported podcast
― just noticed tears shaped like florida. (sic), Thursday, 5 April 2018 23:18 (six years ago) link
hee
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 April 2018 23:48 (six years ago) link
dammit i knew that looked wrong but i posted anyway
― star wars ep viii: the bay of porgs (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 6 April 2018 06:46 (six years ago) link
Okay, new trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPEYpryMp2s
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2018 00:59 (six years ago) link
Looks dope
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 9 April 2018 01:13 (six years ago) link
Plus
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--I-7Le50U--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/fmqo2dzoyisnrmccczjz.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2018 01:17 (six years ago) link
MALLA??????!?!?!!?!? pic.twitter.com/XvVEI9kGDQ— lindsey romain (@lindseyromain) April 9, 2018
if SOLO canonizes the holiday special i will take back all of those mean things i said.— lindsey romain (@lindseyromain) April 9, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2018 01:22 (six years ago) link
Impossible, it's already canon
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 9 April 2018 01:23 (six years ago) link
In that case roll on the Bea Arthur-in-spirit led live action TV series at the cantina.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2018 01:34 (six years ago) link
Would def watch. I would like it even better if they completely dispatched with any plot and made it an ongoing Star Wars variety show.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 9 April 2018 01:37 (six years ago) link
This looks dumb as sand and I am here for it
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 9 April 2018 01:44 (six years ago) link
Also lol @ “I’ve got a good feeling about this”
they're really not keen on showing much of Ehrenreich's performance are they?
― Number None, Monday, 9 April 2018 06:30 (six years ago) link
It would seem unfair in that we’d all just be watching it to see if he nailed a Harrison Ford impression and then be all “nah, thanks, bye”. Presumably if he does a good job you’d want to see the whole thing to allow his take to settle in and grow on you.
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Monday, 9 April 2018 07:12 (six years ago) link
Scene by scene breakdown if desired
https://io9.gizmodo.com/all-the-hints-and-details-we-uncovered-in-the-new-solo-1825092510
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2018 16:38 (six years ago) link
God trailer imo. I don't think the Disney machine is going to allow this to be less than very entertaining, but it may be blander than desired.
― chap, Monday, 9 April 2018 16:41 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3Cyofu6hLE
Donald is really his normal screen-normalized self here but I'd kill for a Lando movie and him doing the tour as Lando
― mh, Thursday, 3 May 2018 01:33 (five years ago) link
I posted this on the "Arrested Development" thread also, but it's funny either way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6XERmXsP-U
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Thursday, 3 May 2018 12:40 (five years ago) link
That makes me imagine an alternate universe where Ron Howard played Luke and I can see it sort of working.
― joygoat, Thursday, 3 May 2018 14:51 (five years ago) link
henry winkler would have been a helluva han solo
tom bosley as obi-wan, obv
― Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 3 May 2018 14:53 (five years ago) link
Scott Baio as Chewbacca.
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Thursday, 3 May 2018 14:57 (five years ago) link
Pat Morita as Yoda
― Scape: Goat-fired like a dog! (Myonga Vön Bontee), Thursday, 3 May 2018 17:35 (five years ago) link
Tickets on sale.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 May 2018 04:53 (five years ago) link
D Glover is cute and all, but jeez, no Billy Dee Williams.
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 May 2018 18:51 (five years ago) link
http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/solo-a-star-wars-story/54630/solo-a-star-wars-story-ron-howard-reshot-70-of-the-movie
...it’s now being estimated that Howard reshot around 70% of Lord and Miller’s footage, as part of his overhaul of the movie.The reason? According to a source, “Ron wanted to go back to the spirit of the original trilogy, while Phil and Chris were looking forward to something new, more like Guardians Of The Galaxy”. Lucasfilm preferred Howard’s approach, it seems clear.
The reason? According to a source, “Ron wanted to go back to the spirit of the original trilogy, while Phil and Chris were looking forward to something new, more like Guardians Of The Galaxy”. Lucasfilm preferred Howard’s approach, it seems clear.
― groovypanda, Friday, 11 May 2018 08:12 (five years ago) link
The opening crawl for Solo has leaked. Ugh. I’m sick of Disney pandering to SJWs: pic.twitter.com/BivdNLjFS4— popular comedy account “the pixelated boat” (@pixelatedboat) May 14, 2018
― Westworld more like Worstworld right? (Phil D.), Monday, 14 May 2018 16:09 (five years ago) link
Walter Chaw:
What's most painful is Donald Glover, the artist of the moment, literally days removed from his withering statement as alter ego Childish Gambino on the role of African-Americans in American popular culture, "This is America," being asked to do a Billy Dee Williams impersonation as the single biggest piece of shit in the galaxy. The script is so ossified it's clear he's meant to be something like a heavy from The Sting: a smooth sharpie with a literal card up his sleeve who tricks Han out of a pile of money, but tricks himself into an ill-fated mission to the mining planet of Kessel. There, something something happens, something something, and that "Kessel Run" line from Star Wars way back when is checked off the list of fan-pleasing references. It says something that later, when Han wins the Millennium Falcon from Lando in another card game (something spoiled by The Empire Strikes Back some 38 years ago), that even with shots of Lando's empty sleeve and obvious dismay, even after a clear insert where Han hugs Lando to obtain said card, Solo still thinks it necessary for Han to throw said cheat onto the table as an explanation as to why Lando isn't able to cheat again. (Han verbally explains it, too.) This is the way you write a scene when you have absolute faith that your audience is full of idiots. Given some of the reaction to The Last Jedi, that's admittedly not a reach. Lando is also a coward, unfaithful to his word, and apparently was in the process of figuring out how to fuck his robot. Glover is exceptional, mind--it's the writing that lets him down. The timing of "This is America" doesn't seem so random after all.
― incel elgort (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:17 (five years ago) link
Damn.
― how's life, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:26 (five years ago) link
AO Scott in NY Times: "in effect a filmed Wikipedia page"
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:29 (five years ago) link
Times review iirc said it was like a movie based on a Wikipedia entry.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:30 (five years ago) link
twinsies!
Wookiepedia, I'm sure?
― how's life, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:31 (five years ago) link
It's arrested development.
― nashwan, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:31 (five years ago) link
"Filmed Wikipedia page" kind of a toothless criticism when not referring to a biopic.
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:34 (five years ago) link
in context it's fully teethed.
this incel fanboy shit of wanting BACKSTORIES is what most makes me wanna beat em up
there's a reason Butch & Sundance: The Early Years was a flop.
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:40 (five years ago) link
I'm not the biggest fan of filling in every gap which is why I'm not amped for this like I was for Ep 8 but i am totally going to see it anyway
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:42 (five years ago) link
xp Well it wasn't because of the all-American handsomeness of William Katt, that's for sure!
― THERE IS NO PHIL D. THERE IS ONLY LIZ (Phil D.), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:43 (five years ago) link
um
this is a biopic
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:45 (five years ago) link
lol, i was gonna say
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:46 (five years ago) link
btw Han Solo has a Wikipedia page
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:51 (five years ago) link
Ive edited the fucker before. Quite aware.
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link
Even if Han were real all ive read suugests this is as much a biopic as Cheadle's Miles Davis flick
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:54 (five years ago) link
Opening crawl: "Han Solo is a character in the Star Wars franchise. Han is a pilot from the planet Corellia, who is depicted as the second owner of the Millennium Falcon after winning..."
― jmm, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:57 (five years ago) link
Ok lol
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:58 (five years ago) link
was hoping for a Napoleon Solo crossover
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 17:00 (five years ago) link
this seems to describe 95% of the SW fanbase
even the "positive" reviews of this one are stuffed with qualifiers
― Simon H., Wednesday, 16 May 2018 17:08 (five years ago) link
brand loyalty is the stuff of studio dreams, this is still gonna make a jillion dollars
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 17:10 (five years ago) link
back to the trough, sheeple!
At least they haven't given Howard his own new trilogy yet.
― nashwan, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 17:35 (five years ago) link
no interest in this. VIII showed they have no interest in telling new stories, just in remaking or referencing the OT. it financial sense, it is their big investment, by idolizing the OT they add value to their brand. so they will do this OT spinoff movie, they will do an Obi Wan movie, maybe a Yoda movie, and they will do a bunch more OT referencing stuff in IX because that is what they do.
the post-Lucas films are obsessed with the OT. they are constantly referencing the OT and entire arcs of the films are lifted directly from the OT. people love the nostalgia for the OT, thus the movies are wholly about OT Love. even the "bold and risky" VIII was mostly lifted from the OT films.
maybe they will accidentally do something decent from time to time (Rogue One) but on the whole they don't offer much. i saw Woody Harrelson in a Planet of the Apes movie recently and thought "Yep, that is actor Woody Harrelson". i can easily see myself watching this saying "Yep that is Donald Glover dressed up like Lando." here we are doing a Star Wars. the new films are fan service, they are cosplay. they are product. like Mark Hamill's performance in the last one, it is closer to a skit filmed for a sci fi convention than the original movies.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 20:51 (five years ago) link
Surprise!
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 20:53 (five years ago) link
fwiw, i haven't felt real affection for Star Wars in 30+ years, but I was moved by Mark Hamill's performance in VIII. Perhaps in part by the way Luke's exile mirrored his exile from stardom.
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 20:54 (five years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 21:01 (five years ago) link
I don't know, I thought Last Jedi was self-referencing done right, by making you reassess some of the assumptions and lore from the OT.
xxxp
― silverfish, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 21:04 (five years ago) link
They should do a young everybody movie, like Muppet babies.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 21:05 (five years ago) link
Baby Death Stars
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 21:07 (five years ago) link
This is the first thing I've read that kind of makes me want to rewatch VIII.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 16 May 2018 21:08 (five years ago) link
I don’t really compute Adam’s post at all re: VIII tbf
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 21:10 (five years ago) link
Morbs is otm, Hamill as cranky exile was the best thing going in that film.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 21:19 (five years ago) link
Perhaps in part by the way Luke's exile mirrored his exile from stardom
I bet Hamill is very comfortable with his distance from stardom - he's the busiest working actor (the only busy actor!) from the original trilogy, and if he wants a dose of adulation he can do a convention somewhere in the world four days out of every seven.
(it was probably a mixture of choice and circumstance over the decades for him, as it was for Luke - but one doubts he's felt unfortunate since, say, 1993.)
― chilis=lyrics...hypocrits (sic), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 21:38 (five years ago) link
i saw Woody Harrelson in a Planet of the Apes movie recently and thought "Yep, that is actor Woody Harrelson". i can easily see myself watching this saying "Yep that is Donald Glover dressed up like Lando."
Spoilers the actor Woody Harrelson is also in this.
I agree that Adam's take on The Last Jedi is, er, idiosyncratic.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 21:41 (five years ago) link
Hamill's like one of the only people associated with this franchise who I legit respect/have some fondness for. He seems like a pretty smart, well balanced guy.
still ain't seeing VIII tho
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 21:41 (five years ago) link
you wouldn’t like it, there’s no death star
― martin short's interiors (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 21:43 (five years ago) link
The death star is in our hearts
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 23:02 (five years ago) link
It's in there, it's just very small.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 23:03 (five years ago) link
I want shakey to watch it and join us in realizing that Mr Bruneau is off the money
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 17 May 2018 00:04 (five years ago) link
nah, adam otm
all the potentially interesting stuff that's dangled in front of the audience in ep viii (maybe rey and/or kylo will switch sides! maybe the jedi order SHOULD be burned down!) gets swept away by the end in favour of resetting the status quo
essentially all that's changed between the beginning of the movie and the end is that luke is dead, there are less rebels than there were before, and the main cast is all in the same place
― martin short's interiors (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 17 May 2018 12:29 (five years ago) link
and there's not even a death star ffs
the Jedi order IS burned down, in favour of a decentralised system placing power in the hands of the workerpresumably JJ Abrams will ignore that and anything else interesting abt TLJ, but that's fine, I'll never see it
― chilis=lyrics...hypocrits (sic), Thursday, 17 May 2018 13:02 (five years ago) link
I want all kinds of crazy simultaneous plots and shenanigoats going on all throughout IX, then in the last five minutes Jedi Master Stableboy from the end of VIII saves the galaxy.
― THERE IS NO PHIL D. THERE IS ONLY LIZ (Phil D.), Thursday, 17 May 2018 13:06 (five years ago) link
Ep 9 is going to end with all of the planets being destroyed and then the surviving Jedi (all 3 of them) piling into an escape POD and warping to another galaxy, where they speed towards mysterious planet Earth circa 1901 to begin anew.
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 17 May 2018 13:09 (five years ago) link
lol at autocorrect
― chilis=lyrics...hypocrits (sic), Thursday, 17 May 2018 13:14 (five years ago) link
three jedi hurtling through space in a paperback book with a weirdly greasy-feeling cover
― chilis=lyrics...hypocrits (sic), Thursday, 17 May 2018 13:15 (five years ago) link
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 17 May 2018 13:19 (five years ago) link
http://media.rhizome.org/blog/9086/PZ7.jpg
― THERE IS NO PHIL D. THERE IS ONLY LIZ (Phil D.), Thursday, 17 May 2018 13:19 (five years ago) link
the Jedi order IS burned down, in favour of a decentralised system placing power in the hands of the worker
tbf the only thing that actually burns down is a big tree - the jedi's holy books are preserved in the falcon at the end so those plucky force-sensitive workers coyuld easily find themselves yoked to the jedi order again if jj abrams wills it
― martin short's interiors (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 17 May 2018 14:30 (five years ago) link
the jedi's holy books are preserved in the falcon at the end
Was hoping these were just Chewie's Dejarik rulebooks.
― nashwan, Thursday, 17 May 2018 21:41 (five years ago) link
So this week Disney announced that the next Star Wars Celebration convention is going to be in Chicago at McCormick Place rather than in Orlando or L.A./Anaheim as most of the previous ones have been. The Venn diagram of SW fans/MAGA chuds is now saying they won't go because CHICAGO IS A LAWLESS HELLHOLE. Like, compared to Florida.
Fine by me. Shorter lines for everything if these fuccbois don't go.
― THERE IS NO PHIL D. THERE IS ONLY LIZ (Phil D.), Friday, 18 May 2018 13:51 (five years ago) link
Haha, every time my mom comes to visit her dumb friends (she has smart friends, too) are always worried for her safety.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 May 2018 13:54 (five years ago) link
I mean McCormick Place is basically Thunderdome when you really stop to think about it.
― THERE IS NO PHIL D. THERE IS ONLY LIZ (Phil D.), Friday, 18 May 2018 13:54 (five years ago) link
The Lucas museum is going up in Chicago is it not?
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 18 May 2018 13:58 (five years ago) link
No, it got run out of town!
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 May 2018 14:00 (five years ago) link
Lucas went to check the city out and got murdered it was a pretty sad story.
― omar little, Friday, 18 May 2018 14:01 (five years ago) link
Anyway, everything's cool:
http://www.materials-talks.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/no-guns.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 May 2018 14:02 (five years ago) link
Caught a glimpse of some comments on a local Maryland news story recently: "they're trying to turn Baltimore into the next Chicago!" When Fox gives them their talking points, they sure do stick to them.
― how's life, Friday, 18 May 2018 14:09 (five years ago) link
I live in Orlando and a cosplayer and I were laughing at how ridiculous the concern is. also there's way more to do in Chicago than Borelando
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 19 May 2018 13:11 (five years ago) link
SW people should just cosplay and pretend lawless hellhole Chicago is Mos Eisley.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 19 May 2018 13:40 (five years ago) link
I've spent my fair share of time in Chicago and nothing there has ever worried me as much as crossing eight lanes of traffic in Orlando.
― THERE IS NO PHIL D. THERE IS ONLY LIZ (Phil D.), Saturday, 19 May 2018 14:03 (five years ago) link
Orlando's traffic sitch is horrible at the moment too because of the I-4 expansion.
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 19 May 2018 14:26 (five years ago) link
Unbidden, my phone has just updated me, via CNN, with news that "Donald Glover is cool with Lando being pansexual in 'Solo: A Star Wars Story,'" should there be any doubt that this is the most boring of all possible worlds.— 𝕿𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖇𝖑𝖊 𝕰𝖛𝖊𝖗𝖞 𝕯𝖆𝖞 (@NickPinkerton) May 22, 2018
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 May 2018 17:25 (five years ago) link
I thought this movie came out already and that the reason I didn't know anyone talking about it was because it had flopped.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 24 May 2018 17:33 (five years ago) link
Okay sooo Solo seen. Non-spoiler take: liked it a lot! Lightest tone for any SW movie yet but not without moments of grime (literally) and pathos. Very episodic in feel, if the whole idea of SW is growing out of serials, this really felt like a serial in full-length form, one mini-adventure after another. Couple of blindside moments especially towards the end -- it's been *really* interesting to see how the recent films have taken in material from the prequels and beyond -- and they do leave the door open for some future directions as direct followups if they want to go that route. Donald Glover is all that, but Ehrenreich did a good job of growing into the character. And of course Phoebe Waller-Bridge stole the show.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 25 May 2018 04:59 (five years ago) link
not without moments of grime (literally)
dizzee rascal cameo?
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 25 May 2018 08:36 (five years ago) link
http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/star-wars/57999/star-wars-boba-fett-movie-coming-from-james-mangold
― groovypanda, Friday, 25 May 2018 11:34 (five years ago) link
That is some tiresome bullshit. Can we please not?
― El Tomboto, Friday, 25 May 2018 11:37 (five years ago) link
i liked it too. my biggest concern going in was alden's harrison and he holds his own just fine. he's not the character we meet in the mos eisley cantina but he inhabits the role with his own grinning charm. def looking more forward to solo 2 than i was solo 1
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 25 May 2018 12:09 (five years ago) link
So is this a series.Enjoyed it but was trying to think where people fit in to later events I knew better. But it is a large area being covered.
Lweave it out of context but is that Darth Maul senior that pops up at one point. I'm not sure about where this fits in chronology.
― Stevolende, Friday, 25 May 2018 12:14 (five years ago) link
my understanding is it's a trilogy, set between revenge of the sith and rogue 1
for stevo's eyes only (don't read if you haven't seen the movie and/or don't know much about the expanded universe): http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Maul
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 25 May 2018 12:25 (five years ago) link
Felt like watching a really good episode of Firefly, basically. Everyone puts in a good effort, and the comedy bits landed. Lacked the sense the original trilogy had that it was happening in some distant alien galaxy.
― com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Friday, 25 May 2018 14:27 (five years ago) link
needed more maeve imho
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 25 May 2018 14:49 (five years ago) link
Can't wait to see the toxic side of SW fandom all die from aneurysms trying to reconcile "FUCK YEAH FINALLY A MOVIE ABOUT MANDALORIANS" with the fact that under the helmet he is already canonically Not White, so they can't rant about Disney SJWs ruining Star Wars.
― Eliza D., Friday, 25 May 2018 16:08 (five years ago) link
Han Solo Adventures by Brian Daley and the Adventures of Lando Calrissian by L. Neil Smith are the real reference points for this movie (both written and published prior to 1984), and the vibe in the film reflects them pretty well.
― com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Friday, 25 May 2018 16:27 (five years ago) link
they should bring back darth maul in something, he was the only cool part of ep1
― global tetrahedron, Friday, 25 May 2018 16:30 (five years ago) link
Yup, fully agreed.
Question asked and answered a few posts back...
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 25 May 2018 16:33 (five years ago) link
without getting spoilery i will say star wars x being way better than i was expecting has me stoked for xi, xii, xiii, and xiv (whatever order they're coming out in the next few years). just please don't cross streams with guardians of the galaxy reloading for xv and after. thor at most in the sense luke ends up going all odin to yoda's buddha
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 25 May 2018 16:47 (five years ago) link
I do love these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-I8bu07fwM
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 25 May 2018 16:57 (five years ago) link
I'm in a local "geek bar" right now watching Cavs-Celtics game 6, while another TV is showing the original Star Wars, and now I want a trilogy about that one weird tall Jawa.
― Eliza D., Saturday, 26 May 2018 01:28 (five years ago) link
That would be preferable to the boba fett movie imo
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 26 May 2018 01:32 (five years ago) link
hard not to wonder how LANDO would have fared by contrast
Disney-Lucasfilm’s “Solo: A Star Wars Story” is flying well below forecasts, heading for a Memorial Day weekend launch of around $110 million domestically, early estimates showed Friday.The four-day figure is significantly under the studio’s recent estimates in the $130 million to $150 million range at 4,380 North American locations. First-day grosses are coming in at about $32 million — including $14.1 million from previews, which set a Memorial Day weekend record.Should the holiday estimate hold for “Solo: A Star Wars Story,” it will raise questions about franchise fatigue and Disney’s strategy of opening the tentpole a mere five months after “Star Wars: The Last Jedi” debuted on Dec. 16. “The Last Jedi” debuted impressively with $220 million in North America, and went on to earn $620 million domestically and $1.3 billion worldwide.
The four-day figure is significantly under the studio’s recent estimates in the $130 million to $150 million range at 4,380 North American locations. First-day grosses are coming in at about $32 million — including $14.1 million from previews, which set a Memorial Day weekend record.
Should the holiday estimate hold for “Solo: A Star Wars Story,” it will raise questions about franchise fatigue and Disney’s strategy of opening the tentpole a mere five months after “Star Wars: The Last Jedi” debuted on Dec. 16. “The Last Jedi” debuted impressively with $220 million in North America, and went on to earn $620 million domestically and $1.3 billion worldwide.
http://variety.com/2018/film/news/box-office-solo-a-star-wars-story-memorial-day-weekend-1202822710/
― Simon H., Saturday, 26 May 2018 01:48 (five years ago) link
We definitely need to know the whole backstory of a guy who has three lines of dialogue before comically falling into the Sarlacc pit.
― jmm, Saturday, 26 May 2018 02:01 (five years ago) link
PHASMA can't be far behind that one
― Simon H., Saturday, 26 May 2018 02:11 (five years ago) link
Right? The whole reason BF was ever cool in the first place was because of the mystique of this masked badass, and now we know so much about him, who fucking cares what he did before the OT? Grrrr.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 26 May 2018 02:14 (five years ago) link
I mean, I already watched that film, in amongst the rest of the prequels.
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 26 May 2018 07:11 (five years ago) link
― Eliza D., Friday, May 25, 2018 8:28 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Do u mean Obi Wan Kenobi
― I really like the acting, dialogue and especially the scenes (Old Lunch), Saturday, 26 May 2018 11:53 (five years ago) link
I honestly didn't know this had been released already. It'll possibly wind up being the first Star War that I don't see on the big screen (although, tbf, I was too young to have any memory of the first time I saw SW or Empire).
― I really like the acting, dialogue and especially the scenes (Old Lunch), Saturday, 26 May 2018 12:10 (five years ago) link
I enjoyed 'Solo'. f.hazel OTM upthread. Good that it wasn't dragged down too much by all of the SW mythology. Harrelson and Waller-Bridge and Reichenbachfalls or whatever his name is were all great. Glover was fine but I'm not sure the writers knew what to do with Calrissian once they were on the Falcon ("Ach we got too many pilots on board here, better let some of them get shot").
― Jeff W, Saturday, 26 May 2018 13:28 (five years ago) link
f. hazel otm about the tone, but story-wise the Crispin novels from the late 90s seemed to be as influential
I was kind of surprised that, after a Rogue One that had only minimal background references to the non-film Star Wars, this movie threw in a whole lot of non-movie material to somewhat mixed results
The reveal that Lando has a hobby of narrating his own adventures, pulp serial-style, was cute
― (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ (mh), Saturday, 26 May 2018 16:08 (five years ago) link
Teräs Käsi is inexplicably back in canon so the next movie can be a mixed martial arts tourney
― (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ (mh), Saturday, 26 May 2018 16:13 (five years ago) link
Are we not spoilering until Monday or so?
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 27 May 2018 02:28 (five years ago) link
I spoilers a little, make a big “spoilers be here, matey” pirate banner and have at it
― (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ (mh), Sunday, 27 May 2018 05:59 (five years ago) link
I'll sneak in my completely uninteresting, non-spoiler reaction: this was a fun movie, but Alden Ehrenreich doesn't seem very much like the Harrison Ford's Han Solo, nor like a guy who would become that Han Solo.
Also, I realized afterward that Ehrenreich previously played Hobie Doyle, the singing cowboy in the Coen Brothers' Hail Caesar! I think that was the role he was born to play (and I don't mean that as a diss, he was great in that movie).
― JRN, Sunday, 27 May 2018 06:37 (five years ago) link
I thought the actors were fine. The pansexual Lando plot felt a little forced but it doesn't sink the movie. My only real gripe was that the movie looks exceptionally dark. Its visual palette is undynamic and the dark colours don't work well with 3D effects. Also, it was slightly out of focus in the movie theatre I saw it in, but I guess I can't blame the movie for that. But I got a slight headache from watching it.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Sunday, 27 May 2018 07:32 (five years ago) link
"Howard, you've done it again!"
Enjoyed this, didn't find the reference box-ticking as groan-inducing as I feared - my biggest gripe being the wasting of Thandie plus L3 was great and deserved at least as much time as K2 got in Rogue One (maybe she did but felt underused to me).
― nashwan, Sunday, 27 May 2018 11:43 (five years ago) link
Ehrenreich first appeared almost a decade ago in Coppola's Tetro and impressed the hell out of me. He also survived that Warren Beatty film.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 27 May 2018 11:45 (five years ago) link
saw this, found it completely enjoyable. assuming q'ira (sp?) and ... her contact will show up again later maybe in another anthology movie?
curious what this film was like before they pulled ron howard in.
― akm, Sunday, 27 May 2018 16:43 (five years ago) link
― groovypanda, 25. maj 2018 13:34 (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― El Tomboto, 25. maj 2018 13:37 (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Don't worry, Mangold will inevitably be replaced by Ron Howard or JJ Abrams.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 27 May 2018 17:11 (five years ago) link
Enjoyable in parts - mainly the train heist and lots of Chewie - but AE didn't once register as Han for me. DG, on the other hand, ran with the Lando role. Thought the L3 stuff shoehorned in ("Give me some space" - c'mon ) and tonally the entire thing jumped from feelink like a part of the Star Wars 'verse and other times like they ran out of visual/character ideas and went bland on purpose (Bettany's bad guy just really boring down to the character's look).
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 27 May 2018 19:59 (five years ago) link
I really enjoyed the nostalgic/high adventure style of this. When he and Kira get split up there’s a loose Ellis Island feel to the staging. And. Han’s war-time experience gives a light nod to an earlier style of warfare, fighting-in-place WW1 tactics (trench warfare etc).That sense of time & place the makes it perfect that his first job is a train heist. Of course! I got a kick out of that, it just all felt right. Vos’s ship’s deco vibe with the sleek streamlined interiors & round windows, etc, and the jazz party scene gives a sense of that with the all of the long gowns, satins & furs & metallics etc. It’s not *specifically* that period, obv much more muddied than i’m making out - maybe they were going for mcm rather than 20’s but it just felt visually they were def going for a much more nostalgic look & that fit with the lighter tone of the whole movie for me.Loved Glover, obv. And, I thought Alden wotsisname did a great job as Solo overall. It took me a little to warm up but he won me over. He’s not as gobsmackingly handsome or as charming as Ford but he inhabits all that behaviour really well to give the same feeling overall somehow? idk.
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 27 May 2018 20:52 (five years ago) link
Thought this was bad. Actors were all fine but the story just blew goats
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 27 May 2018 20:56 (five years ago) link
is this han as much of a wheedly, bitter, sarcastic man-child as Real Han was?
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 27 May 2018 21:45 (five years ago) link
he has more optimism
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 27 May 2018 21:46 (five years ago) link
hi. does this movie have nar shaddaa
― difficult listening hour, Sunday, 27 May 2018 21:58 (five years ago) link
xxpost With added vocal fry
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 27 May 2018 22:08 (five years ago) link
Several stray thoughts while I wait for everyone to get on my level:
back when this was first announced Kennedy (I believe) made some comment about how we would find out how 'Han Solo got his name'. Me, a wise man, said 'ah yes a wonderful turn of phrase!' and the rest of the people on the internet, foolish people, were like 'HIS NAME ISN'T HAN SOLO?' and Kennedy had to be like 'NO! Not literally! It means how he became the Han Solo, renowned scoundrel, not how he became named Han Solo.'
Then, fifteen minutes into this movie "You name shall be Solo."
Also the goddamn golden idol from Raiders in the background of Paul Bettany's lair.
Also the goddamn gun assembly scene.
Also we don't see this hotshot pilot even fly until the second hour. We cut all the way out of him washing out of Imperial Flight School.
Suppose what people say is true and that Howard re-shot 80% of the movie. That means 20% of the movie is still the other dudes' work. If those numbers are right then anyone who says they can't tell which parts RH shot and which parts the other dudes shot are in denial, or fooling themselves, and, frankly, I would have rather watched THAT movie
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 27 May 2018 22:21 (five years ago) link
Chewbacca was MVP in this
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 27 May 2018 22:38 (five years ago) link
Nah, Mangold plays well with studios.
― Simon H., Sunday, 27 May 2018 22:42 (five years ago) link
unlike fierce indie auteurs Lord & Miller
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Sunday, 27 May 2018 22:54 (five years ago) link
...anyone who says they can't tell which parts RH shot and which parts the other dudes shot are in denial, or fooling themselves
There's at least a third possibility, which is that some people aren't familiar enough with the work of Howard and/or Lord & Miller to be able to distinguish them that way. That describes me, and probably 90+ percent of this movie's audience.
Which parts do you think were left over from the Lord & Miller version?
― JRN, Monday, 28 May 2018 00:31 (five years ago) link
@sic, there are degrees between indie auteurs and completely malleable studio lapdogs.
― Simon H., Monday, 28 May 2018 00:36 (five years ago) link
there’s also a fourth option which is stanning for whoever got fired as the preferred director(i’m not saying you guys do it every time this happens but you do it every time this happens)
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 28 May 2018 01:18 (five years ago) link
I mean, one of them is Ron Howard, so.
― Simon H., Monday, 28 May 2018 01:35 (five years ago) link
Also, I think even people who are suspicious of JJ breathed a sigh of relief when Trevorrow got the sack.
― Simon H., Monday, 28 May 2018 01:36 (five years ago) link
Basically all the funny parts/parts that were remotely interesting
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 28 May 2018 01:56 (five years ago) link
hated this so much. deeply lazy, almost completely charmless (DG and Chewie keep it afloat). More Jack Burton than Han Solo. And I love Jack Burton, but come on.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 28 May 2018 02:18 (five years ago) link
"Also the goddamn golden idol from Raiders in the background of Paul Bettany's lair."
didn't catch that at all.
― akm, Monday, 28 May 2018 02:35 (five years ago) link
the accidentally starting of a droid uprising, followed by the droids facilitating a slave labor uprising, was surprisingly slim on exposition but a nice set piece.
― (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ (mh), Monday, 28 May 2018 02:54 (five years ago) link
(i’m not saying you guys do it every time this happens but you do it every time this happens)
VegemorbsGrrl
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Monday, 28 May 2018 07:24 (five years ago) link
A crystal skull of sorts too, which had everyone cheering on sight because of the unanimous love and admiration for Indy IV.
― nashwan, Monday, 28 May 2018 10:32 (five years ago) link
there's another theory that the crystal skull is a ref to the old canon novels
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 28 May 2018 12:28 (five years ago) link
"More Jack Burton than Han Solo."
I fail to see how this is remotely an insult.
I thought this was pretty entertaining with basically few of the ponderous bits which have made other Star Wars a bit of a chore (it probably went a ten or so minutes too long, too many double-crosses, too much exposition, etc, and I could have done wo the big CRIMINALS are actually EVIL reveal, but really these are minor complaints in grand scheme of big budget films like this).
For those complaining it's entirely workman-like, I don't think The Last Jedi was a couple of stunning visuals aside really that much better for having an artier director.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 28 May 2018 14:18 (five years ago) link
it's not an insult. in a different movie it might even have been fun.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 28 May 2018 14:48 (five years ago) link
More I think about it the biggest flaw in this thing wasn't Ron Howard as director or too much kowtowing to fanboy wishes or a bunch of other things that made this a "just okay" Sw flick. It's Ehrenreich. He wasn't the right choice to embody this role, poor guy, and it shows. Han Solo shouldn't be a bland dude around which the other characters revolve. I think it would've been cool if they'd gone with him having all the arrogant charm etc. etc. cranked to 1000 and then, over the course of things, having him tune it down to more familiar levels. But Ehrenreich seems to only be able to make weird approximations of Ford's facial expressions and mannerisms and when he isn't doing that he barely registers onscreen.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 28 May 2018 15:26 (five years ago) link
Not bad - for me the worst part of the film was Kira just happening to appear on one of the billion planets in the galaxy where Solo happens to be.
Suspension of disbelief is one thing, but I get properly removed from the film with stuff like that. They don't even go crazy with like "oh my god, I can't believe it's you here, what are the bloody odds?".
― I'm Finn thanks, don't mention it (fionnland), Monday, 28 May 2018 15:45 (five years ago) link
Oh right enough - Solo "never tell me the odds"
This was fun fluff
Makes me _really_ want to see the stuff Lord & Miller shot
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 28 May 2018 18:19 (five years ago) link
"Han Solo shouldn't be a bland dude around which the other characters revolve. I think it would've been cool if they'd gone with him having all the arrogant charm etc. etc. cranked to 1000 and then, over the course of things, having him tune it down to more familiar levels. "
see i think the script just doesnt give him (Han or Ehrenreich) anything to do. the story itself is so weak and the character so thinly written that no one has anything to hang on to.
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 28 May 2018 21:22 (five years ago) link
Haven't seen this yet and most likely won't, but I read an interesting discussion of it in the WaPo:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2018/05/28/if-you-grew-up-on-star-wars-how-does-solo-hold-up/
Also in the WaPo:
NEVER TELL Han Solo the odds. And, given the woeful opening of “Solo: A Star Wars Story,” Han might have a bad feeling about a few other less-than-stellar numbers, too.“Solo” defied weeks of industry projections by landing below even conservative estimates, which had the first Skywalker-free Star Wars feature film opening in the ballpark of $130 million for the Memorial Day weekend.Disney/Lucasfilm’s “Solo” instead had a $103 million domestic debut for the four-day holiday and grossed $84.8 million for the standard three-day weekend — or barely one-third of what Disney’s first Star Wars reboot, “The Force Awakens,” opened to ($248 million) less than three years ago.
“Solo” defied weeks of industry projections by landing below even conservative estimates, which had the first Skywalker-free Star Wars feature film opening in the ballpark of $130 million for the Memorial Day weekend.
Disney/Lucasfilm’s “Solo” instead had a $103 million domestic debut for the four-day holiday and grossed $84.8 million for the standard three-day weekend — or barely one-third of what Disney’s first Star Wars reboot, “The Force Awakens,” opened to ($248 million) less than three years ago.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 May 2018 11:34 (five years ago) link
Noted in the piece:
“Solo” is the first Disney Star Wars film not to open during the winter holidays and the first to open just five months after the previous Star Wars film.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 May 2018 11:36 (five years ago) link
Bad press, bad movie, word travels fast? I think it has very little to do with the timing or spacing of the opening weekend
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 29 May 2018 11:59 (five years ago) link
The discussion of Revenge of the Sith in that piece gets at something that has really bugged me with the reception of Solo: There are SOOOO many blockbuster franchises, and they're SOOOO formulaic, but instead of criticizing the model it has led people to praise the most minuscule of differences. So Revenge of the Sith is sorta good because the violence is pretty frightening for a blockbuster. Solo is kinda ok because it's the first Star War in a while that doesn't end with a large space battle. Etc, etc. It's kinda different for a Star Wars film. But that doesn't matter, it just means it's not what people love about Star Wars, while also not being THAT different.
Sorry, rant. But it has been annoying me these last few days.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 29 May 2018 12:02 (five years ago) link
As one of the biggest SW stans on ILX, let me just say: Meh. This felt really perfunctory, the seams showed like crazy, etc. This "Han Solo" did not feel like a person that was going to become the person on the screen in the original Star Wars. It at least felt more or less like it took place in the SW universe, but all the "crime syndicate" storylines have always been my least favorite thing in that universe. Hell, it would have been marginally better if they'd gone back to the original EU materials and brought in Prince Xizor and Black Sun instead of Paul Bettany's boring character.
All that said, the cut from "We'll have you flying in no time" to THREE YEARS LATER and trench warfare was a very Ron Howard joke, but means that prior to the train job we see exactly zero minutes of Han becoming a hotshot pilot, so all of his flying skills fall under "informed attribute" basically until he takes the controls of the Falcon.
Took me longer than necessary to recognize Jon Favreau's voice, which . . . did not fit the character. To be charitable.
I'm sure the director replacement/rewrites/reshoots were responsible for this movie not knowing what to do with Thandie Newton. But she could be taken out of the movie with no difference made to the plot at all.
― Eliza D., Tuesday, 29 May 2018 12:20 (five years ago) link
when the head of the pirates took off her helmet, I first wondered if she was supposed to be the long-lost daughter of Harrelson and Newton's characters but I may have been the only one
― (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ (mh), Tuesday, 29 May 2018 14:47 (five years ago) link
we'll find out when her spinoff comes out
― Simon H., Tuesday, 29 May 2018 14:48 (five years ago) link
she immediately explains who they are, so that possible misconception was short-lived
― (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ (mh), Tuesday, 29 May 2018 14:49 (five years ago) link
damn, missed out on a franchisetunity there
I actually like the idea of infinite concentric spinoffs of less and less important characters, handled by progressively less reputable filmmakers
― Simon H., Tuesday, 29 May 2018 14:53 (five years ago) link
I'm willing to accept that _more_ Star Wars movie could be the answer
like why do we care if the mid-tier spinoff doesn't have as many ticket sales as the main episodic story? get some market segmentation in there, then genuinely let some directors do their own thing on a lower tier without having the studio jump in as quickly
― (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ (mh), Tuesday, 29 May 2018 14:58 (five years ago) link
xxpost I thought the same thing
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 29 May 2018 14:59 (five years ago) link
if a segment of the SW audience is *rebelling* at being expected to march mindlessly into the multiplex twice a year to see the same old formulas, my heart bleeds for Disney.
Harrison Ford's looks never did much for me tbqh
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 May 2018 15:05 (five years ago) link
― (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ (mh), Tuesday, May 29, 2018 2:47 PM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I thought exactly the same thing and breathed an audible sigh of relief when Larry Kasdan proved to be smarter than that.
― Eliza D., Tuesday, 29 May 2018 15:11 (five years ago) link
This "Han Solo" did not feel like a person that was going to become the person on the screen in the original Star Wars
young han is savvy enough to anticipate multiple betrayals toward the end there but maybe dænerys flying away after he dedicated years of his life to reuniting with her is the first in a series of legit solo-fying disillusion (including lando in cloud city and ultimately ben (kylo ren) in starkiller base)
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 29 May 2018 17:48 (five years ago) link
For the fatigue theory, as a parent, I can see that the Star Wars toys section at target has been shrinking. A big problem on that front was the fate of the characters in 'Rogue One'.
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 29 May 2018 18:04 (five years ago) link
I liked 'Solo'. I kept thinking of it as a SW novel.
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 29 May 2018 18:09 (five years ago) link
saw this in a big auditorium with maybe 25 seats filled. and.... it's lousy! mess of a plot with characters very thinly imprinted before they hit moments where it's crucial that we care about them. i guess ehrenreich wasn't *great* and certainly wasn't ford, but before anything else it's the basic problem of prequels. when they announce they're going to planet kessel, you're not like ooh, i wonder what scrapes they'll get into there, i hope they make it out... you're like, ahh, this is where we find out what the "kessel run" is, i wonder if it'll be something lame or something kinda clever, or if they'll fake out my expectations by having it turn out someone else did the piloting on the famous run or whatever, and i wonder how they'll dispatch these other side characters who we never saw before, will they die or am i gearing up for some scene where they give a farewell salute and ride off into the space sunset...? and then meanwhile the characters have been unconvincingly pulling off a crazy heist, which you'd think you could make feel either tense (after all two movies ago a crazy heist ended up with everybody dead), or like a rollicking good time, but it just kinda runs out the clock for that act of the movie.enough surface polish and set-piece fun to kinnnnnda carry you through, but man is it pointless, and wayyy too long for the light fun side movie, with all the needless reversals and invented crises. and there are so many lurching, distracting things to yank you out of the movie. are we doing spoilers? if not i'll just say that the hat-tip to american graffiti was one stroke of cutesiness too many for this viewer, though at least you could imagine how that *started* as ron howard wanting to honor his old buddies george and harrison, or something. but what a place in the movie to shoehorn it in!
― noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 31 May 2018 00:56 (five years ago) link
It's wild to me how entire $10,000,000+ sequences are now being spun out of sentences a stones George Lucas farted out in 1975
― Simon H., Thursday, 31 May 2018 01:19 (five years ago) link
*stoned lol
― Simon H., Thursday, 31 May 2018 01:20 (five years ago) link
DC’s take is, in its own way, basically the same as Walter Chaw’s. That’s enough for me to avoid this until it shows up for free on HBO.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 31 May 2018 02:36 (five years ago) link
yall are a bunch of old poops that’s all i have to add<3
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 May 2018 02:39 (five years ago) link
it’s not even that it’s boring. it’s boring in the laziest possible way.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 31 May 2018 04:01 (five years ago) link
idk there was something daring in having the female lead's much-dangled secret and super meaningful motivation for all her significant looks turn out to be that she is secretly in league with a previously-unmentioned Skeletor. almost dadaist in its left-field willingness to tank conventional notions of narrative resolution.
― noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 31 May 2018 04:08 (five years ago) link
It’s not Dadaist at all though! It’s trying very sincerely to live in the sw universe and it just FAILS! It would be more interesting if it were a series on contextless sketches of Han solo’s life! If anything it’s trying really really hard to be in the 40’s and 59’s serials “see what happens next” style but I can’t be assed to care bc the script is so bad
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 31 May 2018 04:36 (five years ago) link
i already cannot recall one interesting line of dialogue from this, or any dialogue at all except woody harrelson calling alden "kid" a lot. another interesting choice, i thought, was to make endless hay out of han's desire to fly and skill at flying but never show any of his early flying experience, and then when he's on board the falcon, to depict it as if he's never been on a spaceship before. again radically deconstructing our bourgeois assumptions about setups and payoffs and consistency of characterization.
― noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 31 May 2018 04:53 (five years ago) link
he is the best pilot bc his dad worked in a factory and because god he just is okay?
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 31 May 2018 05:29 (five years ago) link
"luke, i am your father"
*sigh* "show don't tell, darth. jeez"
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 2 June 2018 16:56 (five years ago) link
maybe i'm biased because i went with a 6-yr-old and 9-yr-old but long story short i thought this ruled
a little weird for a star wars movie in that it contained no "force", no skywalkers, no spiritual mysticism, no destinies etc - so far, so han - but despite a typical 2000s desaturated colour palette it certainly felt like it came from the star wars universe. thought everyone's acting was excellent and yes it was just a series of heist set-pieces but.. like, yay?? and the way they resolved the moral question at the heart of all heist movies i.e. who benefits, was satisfying
lotsa stuff here about friendship and i genuinely got choked up with L7 died or whatever her name was lol
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 2 June 2018 17:58 (five years ago) link
also this movie suggests an alternate canon where young han solo grows up into being played by liev schreiber and i don't see how you can be honestly opposed to that
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 2 June 2018 18:01 (five years ago) link
i don't follow?
― Nhex, Saturday, 2 June 2018 18:37 (five years ago) link
a critical consensus seems to be forming that you can't get from THIS han to THAT han with this movie, which, maybe that's so but you do get to a putative han played by liev schrieber so what's not to like
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 2 June 2018 18:39 (five years ago) link
does that still make no sense? sorry
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:01 (five years ago) link
love that phoebe waller-bridge has been retconned into the OG series
loved "that's just a rock! and you just made a clicking sound with your mouth!"
loved woody's "hold this for me, fellas?" before wasting fools against banks of classic SW controls
paul bettany an absolutely luscious villain, fully richard e. granting it up yet also scary enough that my 6-y-o pretended to need to pee whenever he was on screen
i guess the plot was "thin" but it led naturally along, i was always clear on what everyone was trying to do and why, which is all i really need? sorry i'm a bit simple in my SW needs i guess.
did NOT think there was one double-cross too many but the shifting nature of who to trust was key to the story they're telling, that han was once guided by love but now doesn't know who to trust, that he has a good heart, that he doesn't think he's the good guy but actually he is the good guy.
agree thandie newton was wasted of course but at least it contributed a "huh, anybody can die" factor
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:13 (five years ago) link
oh and i didn't even mention glover as lando, which was absolutely perfect, and you could see how much glover relished pulling out little bille dee williams flourishes but he managed it without overdoing it which of course would have been very easy to do. love that he keeps mispronouncing his name.
oh and the nebula-creature octo-thing was pretty goddamned lovecraft-esque and pretty horrifying to see its skin ripping away in the gravity well, that whole sequence was was sick as fuck even if you do know they're going to make it in the end
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:17 (five years ago) link
his name = han's name obv
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:18 (five years ago) link
oh and am i wrong but did han's heist actually end up funding the actual capital-R rebellion that he winds up RE-joining in the OG trilogy?
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:21 (five years ago) link
that was my takeaway
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:23 (five years ago) link
Thought this was good if a little long and somehow had some of the fly by night, rough around the edges quality of the ‘77 original (despite costing $400 mil or w/e). Loved L3 and her(?) performance anxiety at cutting the gate and the heart to heart with daenerys.
― calstars, Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:23 (five years ago) link
wow, so box office drop so huge there's a chance Deadpool might take number one in its third week.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:28 (five years ago) link
han being "the good guy" is not a story i'm particularly interested in - YMMV! - and it means we're in a bizarre no-man's-land where we get a really long origin story movie nobody asked for, that still doesn't end with the origin of the character in question, who opens the original film as a cynical, seasoned criminal, the veteran of dozens of smuggling jobs, whose heart of gold even he doesn't believe in. but he ends this movie handing over his big score to the rebels! his love interest choosing skeletor's criminal underworld over him happens offscreen! i didn't really want to see the obvious story of how a performatively-rogueish young man becomes actually rogueish and cynical and pledges to never again believe in anything, but at least that's an arc. i guess he's learned a little bit about being a con artist? except two scenes ago was a joke at his expense where he tries to bluff everybody about the falcon being full of armed goons, so clearly he's not much of a con artist after all. maybe the filmmakers got confused by how the movie kept going a half hour after it should have been done, and could no longer tell if they were close to the end or not. so arc-wise the most you can say is he's acquired three or four of his character's accoutrements, but is that really a compelling tale for a two and a half hour film?especially at the beginning I had a real whiff of forced-fun "you WILL find this protagonist rakishly enjoyable" energy. shades of valerian, echoed in aggressively throwing the doomed koala co-pilot at us, hey, this guy's rushed delivery of generic lines will sure make you like him right? 80s action adventure cartoons do a better job of selling you on the lovable co-pilot type. but of course, as in rogue one, everything is just thrown at you at breakneck speed. the first terrible sign was the worm crime boss at the beginning, who zips up out of the water and starts speechifying in two and a half seconds. let this shit breathe... build up some dread, some suspense, something. that way han deflating it all with a bro-y fake-out plan would be a genuine payoff instead of just one more thing that happens on screen.meanwhile the kira thing is a complete muddle; the preposterous scene where they meet up again never feels like his reunion with someone he's been striving for for three years, and they never find a convincing vibe to play after that. i loved how, apparently following the dictates of some screenwriter's manual of when in your running time you need to remind the audience of something they'll see again at the end, she hands him the dice right as he's about to be strip-searched, sanitized and tortured as an incoming mining slave. like literally the worst and most illogical time to do this from the characters' point of view, and from the audience's point of view it's outright confusing since you're forced to conclude these dice are going to be key to them carrying off the heist, like a file baked into a cake or something. otherwise why would she do that? well that goes nowhere.this movie is full of stuff like that. like how woody is interrupted grieving for the love of his life and fiteen second later it's "ya got moxie, kid" as the camera pulls back so as to draw less attention to the freshly-dug grave. or how han notices that lando used a card that had already been played, which just prompts the audience to go "wait - wouldn't all these other seasoned card players notice that too?" or how han starts talking about his dad's old factory job halfway through, after our attention's already been drawn to him supposedly not having a name or a family. was there an earlier and more intelligible draft where he was also trying to get back to corellia to help them out and they died, hardening his heart? was keeping them safe one reason for him taking a pseudonym? and does the empire really use john williams's imperial march in-universe as their ominous soundtrack? what a piece of junk!
― noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:40 (five years ago) link
Was it the New Yorker review that said for a guy named for being a loner he's almost never given a moment to himself?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:46 (five years ago) link
so if this movie was so bad at selling me on things, and such a muddle, and so emotionally nonsensical, and didn't have an arc, how come it was so much fun to watch??
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:04 (five years ago) link
he preposterous scene where they meet up again never feels like his reunion with someone he's been striving for for three years
this is intentional i think?? it's super off. it feels wrong. (hint: cause she's a baddie!)
from the audience's point of view it's outright confusing since you're forced to conclude these dice are going to be key to them carrying off the heist
i.. didn't think that. i just thought it was a nice touch. it made me like her. it feels thoughtful. she's a baddie but han's such a catch she's conflicted. movies like this are full of little emotional beats in the midst of craziness. i forgot about them 2 seconds afterwards and that was.. fine? i guess 30 minutes later you were flipping through the script like WHAT ABOUT THE DICE?
co-pilot was kinda half-assed it's true i agree about that
DC yr long screeds are very extremely inside-the-writers-room scoffing at how poor a job these craftspeople crafted their object i.e. you talk about "the audience" instead of "i" and i wonder if you would have liked it better if you watched weren't thinking so much about arcs and stuff
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:12 (five years ago) link
sorry that might read better in the original shriiwook
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:14 (five years ago) link
lol i will also grant that they maybe should showed a little of han becoming an awesome pilot because when han fires up the falcon to get out of the mining planet my 9-y-o is like "how does he know how to fly that??"
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:16 (five years ago) link
also i dug the passport control scene. i could relate.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:17 (five years ago) link
This was pretty much hot garbage, c'mon.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 2 June 2018 21:26 (five years ago) link
Dr. C otm with 'shades of Valerian" --- yikes! I was thinking more "Baby Driver" and was waiting for a quick closeup of his finger pressing some button on the dashboard > "cool intergalactic approximation of current (2017) hip hop/ trap tune comes on" >> YEEEAH! from our hero.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 2 June 2018 21:29 (five years ago) link
THIS IS THE SONG NEEDLES DIED TO
"getcher motor runnin..."
i enjoy your posts on this DR C, don't get me wrong. i learn a lot about the nuts and bolts of how stories fit together. but it's funny that it doesn't change my feeling about the movie i just came out of. like i can SEE how you're mainly right, and how it could have been better any number of ways. that initial pool-monster who's allergic to light - yes it would have been great if there had been some dread in watching it come out of the pool! and i can see how it probably would have made han's escape more exciting! but it didn't happen, and i guess the difference between you and i is that in real-time i didn't miss it, didn't think that i wanted it to do something else, be something else. i'll admit i "sign myself up" to movies a lot more and a lot earlier than a lot of other people. also maybe low expectations helped.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 2 June 2018 21:30 (five years ago) link
i feel the same waythere was something a little bit John Carter of Mars about it too. Basic space adventure, no more no less but I didn’t really *need* more.
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 2 June 2018 21:46 (five years ago) link
believe me, I want to have a fun time at the movies! there were these bits and pieces where I could relax into the fun, was just caught up in the energy and momentum. the analysis comes after as an attempt to explain "why didn't i, in fact, have all that much fun?" there were a lot of really jarring and distracting things that took me out of the moment. again: we've been watching this is-she-good-or-bad-and-why-is-she-holding-back-from-han story the whole movie, and the resolution of it is.... she's working for a hologram of a guy who's never been mentioned before and i was like wait is that darth maul or like his kid? could it be darth maul? isn't he dead? could this take place before the phantom menace? no wait of course it couldn't because we already have the empire. is it someone else entirely? ... etc.... i mean this is a weird place to land in a good-time thrill-ride adventure movie.of course the energy between her and han is supposed to be weird, but it didn't feel like *that* kind of weird, it felt like they were just forgetting to talk about things or when they do they get forgotten. "i've done terrible things" and then her next scene is a comedy beat looking at lando's capes. i couldn't get a bead on any of it, idk.
― noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 2 June 2018 23:14 (five years ago) link
she was a v frustrating cipher but i thought that worked. that's who she was to han and it's who she was to us. she wasn't working for darth maul, paul bettany was (i refuse to learn these people's ridiculous names). once she had bettany's ring she could skype straight into maul. i could use some of those auto-shades for my own skype calls tbh. obviously bettany's working for someone even more powerful who appears as a flickery blue hologram, that's how all star wars baddies have always operated. anyway maybe i'm wrong but she actually throws maul off han's scent at that point, doesn't she? she says woody has the fuel. but she knows that han's going after woody. and at this point she's got a pretty good idea of how resourceful and bad-ass han is, so she's pretty sure woody's not getting off this rock alive. so by telling maul that woody's got the goods, han and chewie are home free.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 2 June 2018 23:22 (five years ago) link
maul looked like he'd... filled out a little since er, dying in the prequels. hmm.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 2 June 2018 23:23 (five years ago) link
oh and i'm just gonna say it, a phrase that we maybe thought we'd never hear.....
han/chewie shower scene
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 3 June 2018 00:04 (five years ago) link
naw I understood the contents of her call with darth maul, my point is that darth maul showing up is the absolute weirdest possible way to resolve her story with han. but of course it's not intended to, it's setup for a sequel, which to me feels like a ripoff after a 2+ hour movie. again, ymmv!
― noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 3 June 2018 00:24 (five years ago) link
hahaha that occurred to be during the film and I forgot
I feel like, if they didn’t immediately do a blu-ray/digital rerelease of the animated shows explaining Maul’s continued existence following this movie, they’ve failed in marketing
― mh, Sunday, 3 June 2018 00:26 (five years ago) link
DC you’re overthinking it: she wasn’t obligated to the cartel or enslaved as we thought, she had a soft spot for Han but was ladder climbing the entire time. Having secured her spot, she left his somewhat idealistic (although he thinks he’s just an individualist) ass behind
― mh, Sunday, 3 June 2018 00:28 (five years ago) link
Fatty Maul wtf
― calstars, Sunday, 3 June 2018 00:31 (five years ago) link
"han/chewie shower scene"
So irony to this is that I jokingly told a couple of people that I was planning to take my 7.5 yo to see this in the theater unless I heard on Common Sense Media that it's 90% titties and Wookie dick so this scene make me chuckle a little bit.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Sunday, 3 June 2018 00:34 (five years ago) link
"maul looked like he'd... filled out a little since er, dying in the prequels. hmm."
Even in universe it's been like 20 some odd years. Plus he's got no legs...
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Sunday, 3 June 2018 00:35 (five years ago) link
true, now i feel bad
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 3 June 2018 00:47 (five years ago) link
sorry darth maul if you're reading this
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 3 June 2018 00:48 (five years ago) link
mh i think i agree with you but the crimson dawn tattoo/brand on her wrist does seem to suggest some level of compulsion
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 3 June 2018 00:49 (five years ago) link
yeah, it's not a 100% clear situation
movie criminal cartel stuff seldom is, tbh
― mh, Sunday, 3 June 2018 02:13 (five years ago) link
the nature of how she ends up with crimson dawn is nebulous and almost more troubling for the lack of exposition, imo
either she talked her way in or was trafficked, but both have some serious implications a family franchise might not tackle
― mh, Sunday, 3 June 2018 02:16 (five years ago) link
She double crossed woody, Bettany, and solo so why not chubs maul too?
― calstars, Sunday, 3 June 2018 02:19 (five years ago) link
not especially a dude you double-cross
can only think of one big one who pulled it off
― mh, Sunday, 3 June 2018 02:42 (five years ago) link
because you watched it with children?
― Simon H., Sunday, 3 June 2018 03:00 (five years ago) link
just giggled/snorted my drink irl at "sorry darth maul if you're reading this"
― noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 3 June 2018 03:03 (five years ago) link
they need a movie to show how he went from darth, to just maul, and now to.. don maul
― mh, Sunday, 3 June 2018 03:31 (five years ago) link
somehow he’s tracked down that guy with the schnozz and wings from Episode I to be his consigliere
― mh, Sunday, 3 June 2018 03:32 (five years ago) link
i look forward to the spinoff movie explaining how watto got his sad-sack hat in between eps 1 and 2
― noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 3 June 2018 03:49 (five years ago) link
Darth Maul origin film planned for 2024. How’d he get those horns anyway?
― calstars, Sunday, 3 June 2018 03:56 (five years ago) link
Also wtf at wicket the fucking Ewok???
― calstars, Sunday, 3 June 2018 03:58 (five years ago) link
Apparently he played the same character he cameo'd as in the prequels. I was happy to see him! He was in Last Jedi also
― Nhex, Sunday, 3 June 2018 04:22 (five years ago) link
all zabrak have those horns
― difficult listening hour, Sunday, 3 June 2018 04:33 (five years ago) link
because you watched it with children?entirely possible
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 3 June 2018 10:06 (five years ago) link
I enjoyed it...and I hate kids (jk).
At the screening I saw some bloke wandered down the aisle in full Darth Maul costume waving a lightsaber glowering at people - v cringeworthy.
― nashwan, Sunday, 3 June 2018 10:37 (five years ago) link
Be awesome of his name wasn't so on the nose, like it was Darth Sunray or something.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 3 June 2018 12:50 (five years ago) link
Darth Happypants
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 3 June 2018 13:09 (five years ago) link
Darth Bigboutee
Darth Smallberries
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 3 June 2018 13:13 (five years ago) link
Donnie Dartho
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 3 June 2018 13:18 (five years ago) link
Jennie Darth
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 3 June 2018 14:07 (five years ago) link
Darth Home and Hearth
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 3 June 2018 14:23 (five years ago) link
this movie was... long
― and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 3 June 2018 14:57 (five years ago) link
i recommend you all see Alden Ehrenreich in the lead of a different movie, ie Warren Beatty's Rules Don't Apply.
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 3 June 2018 14:59 (five years ago) link
i find his giant hexagonal face irritating
― and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 3 June 2018 15:39 (five years ago) link
yes
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 3 June 2018 16:33 (five years ago) link
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 3 June 2018 17:23 (five years ago) link
It's depressing and creepy to think of Darth Maul guy doing that on his own (assuming he wasn't paid to be there)
― albvivertine, Sunday, 3 June 2018 19:07 (five years ago) link
:(
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 3 June 2018 19:10 (five years ago) link
you think that's wild, a friend-of-a-friend built a r2d2 replica that has all the lights, noises, and is controlled by remote
recently learned that he brings it out to the local cinema on SW opening days and they give him... a pair of tickets?
― mh, Sunday, 3 June 2018 19:13 (five years ago) link
^^^^^From the number of conventions and midnight openings I've gone to, I can tell you that kids LOVE that shit. It's probably reward enough to see the kids go nuts over a real R2-D2.
― Eliza D., Sunday, 3 June 2018 19:17 (five years ago) link
I can confirm you were not.
I am always amused that Star Wars films are the ones that cause the otherwise excellent Doctor Casino to swallow his tongue.
another interesting choice, i thought, was to make endless hay out of han's desire to fly and skill at flying but never show any of his early flying experience, and then when he's on board the falcon, to depict it as if he's never been on a spaceship before.
This is.. not what happens though? They take pains to point out that he knows the ships inside out, and when he gets to pilot it for the first time, he seems completely at home.
(I know this is not a DC complaint, but the idea that there are people thinking "yeah, how do we know that this *squints* Han Solo is actually a good pilot" is odd - there are no such people)
we've been watching this is-she-good-or-bad-and-why-is-she-holding-back-from-han story the whole movie, and the resolution of it is.... she's working for a hologram of a guy who's never been mentioned before
Dude every time we see Paul Bettany, he takes pains to mention that he's not at the top of his chain, that there's someone that he works for. When she decides to seal Han's getaway / move up the ladder, of course that's someone that we'll see.
and i was like wait is that darth maul or like his kid? could it be darth maul? isn't he dead? could this take place before the phantom menace? no wait of course it couldn't because we already have the empire.
Okay I admit this was confusing, but submit that it was also awesome. Also I'm curious as to how many kids seeing this will be filling their parents in on what happened after the Phantom Menace.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 3 June 2018 19:21 (five years ago) link
are you kidding about the piloting? he gets the longest fucking wonder-music swell and slow camera turn when they go into hyperspace. wowie zowie! i can't believe i'm in a real live spaceship! wait, how did he get to the planet where he was an infantryman again? well anyway. not showing any of his empire flying is more of a problem for other aspects of the story - we rush right past the years in which he was pining for kira! you can chuckle at "show don't tell" but it's a real thing: him saying "gosh i missed you and thought of you all the time" doesn't carry the same weight as even like a stock montage of him in training, on missions, flying through the stars but still looking sad and determined, her photo on the dashboard, blah blah blah.... this movie was super famously a patched-together job with a still-ambiguous ratio of stuff shot by directors 1 and director 2. i am unsurprised it was a tonally inconsistent mess with confusing plot threads slammed into each other and the duct tape peeling away from the seams. is that such a weird takeaway? if you enjoyed it that's cool! i probably won't convince you it was a mess and vice versa. fwiw i really enjoyed most of episodes 7 and 8, though i had gripes with each. saw 8 in the theater twice just cause there were certain parts I couldn't stop thinking about. i've made a point of giving ROTJ a thumbs-up while acknowledging its flaws. so really i just have problems with the five prequels.
― noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 3 June 2018 19:36 (five years ago) link
Of all the characters to re enlist, why DM
― calstars, Sunday, 3 June 2018 19:41 (five years ago) link
Um is it "omg I am in spaceship" or "omg I am in love with this spaceship"? I read it as the latter.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Sunday, 3 June 2018 19:42 (five years ago) link
i take it the clint howard cameo was not part of lord and miller’s material btw
― and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 3 June 2018 19:49 (five years ago) link
Oh xpost I just always worry about kids finding (ie.) Darth Maul scary. Probably no kids that young go to Star Wars these days
― albvivertine, Sunday, 3 June 2018 19:51 (five years ago) link
according to the dialogue in the very same scene he has been on many such spaceships before. it is a badly-written and inconsistent script.
― noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 3 June 2018 19:58 (five years ago) link
I'm not here to stan for the film as the best ever - in an ideal world there would be one or two of these per year and some of them would be heist films with treachery and double-crosses - there were a few Jim Woodring Star Wars comics a few decades ago that would serve as excellent reference points.
As a side-effect, I admit that the bits of this that had to do with it being a Han Solo film were not the best. It's the reason that it's so damn long: Han's main motivation - meeting the gang - the first heist - a new proposition - meeting the spacecraft - a second heist - the Kessel Run* - a chance for redemption - some double-crosses - Han shoots first. You can't cut any of that out of this film, but it wouldn't have to be in a more generic film.
There is the problem that a more generic film wouldn't be the 9th most expensive of all time.
My girlfriend was thinking that they didn't do enough to really sell the Chewie-Han relationship, but I've always got the impression that while the Wookies are a proud, noble, race Chewbacca is the Han of Wookies, always up for a bad idea provided he can bitch about it with Han afterwards. Han fucking up the plan by giving him the weapon would have gone a long way with him (NB I am aware this is nigh on fanfic at this point.
I think that Alden Eirenreich did okay, but a) no-one is Ford in his prime and b)
Dave Franco, Aaron Taylor-Johnson, Miles Teller, Nick Robinson, Leo Howard, Tony Oller, Chandler Riggs, Hunter Parrish, Rami Malek, Landon Liboiron, Ed Westwick, Tom Felton, Joshua Sasse, Logan Lerman, Ansel Elgort, Jack Reynor, Colton Haynes, Max Thieriot, Scott Eastwood, Chris Pratt, Emory Cohen, Alden Ehrenreich, Taron Egerton, Jack O'Connell and Blake Jenner had screen tested for the young Han Solo. Teller, Elgort, Franco, Reynor, Eastwood, Lerman, Cohen, Ehrenreich, Egerton, O'Connell and Jenner were among the ones who made the cut for the role.
* okay okay I did love the parsec explanation.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:06 (five years ago) link
no-one is Ford in his prime
― and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:31 (five years ago) link
allspark entenmann
LOL
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:38 (five years ago) link
Didn't see this, but heard it's weird that so many people put their life or the lives of others at risk for the sake of optional adventures. Is that accurate? Like, it's one thing to risk death to stop the empire, it's another to steal some widget.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:40 (five years ago) link
actually the thing that bugged me most about this was han being a former imperial grunt and thus presumably spending his three years of service - at the very least - standing idly by while his squadmates roast the babies of the oppressed in the town square, which seems a bit too far along the ‘rogue’ side of the ‘loveable rogue’ spectrum for my conception of the character
― and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:40 (five years ago) link
Kinda like Finn the Rebellion/Resistance ( or being somewhat associated with them) washes away all sins.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:43 (five years ago) link
I thought Finn was a janitor.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:46 (five years ago) link
He killed the trash compactor snake thing's kids :(
― nashwan, Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:55 (five years ago) link
if you enjoyed it that's cool! i probably won't convince you it was a mess and vice versa. fwiw i really enjoyed most of episodes 7 and 8, though i had gripes with each. saw 8 in the theater twice just cause there were certain parts I couldn't stop thinking about. i've made a point of giving ROTJ a thumbs-up while acknowledging its flaws. so really i just have problems with the five prequels.
Yeah no, I only meant the recent ones as those are the ones that I've seen your thoughts on in real time, it's not a big deal it just stands out because I generally think you're OTM on other movie stuff. Er, that said "swallow your tongue" was both rude and ill-judged, sorry about that.
I don't know that the montage would do so much though - it goes straight from him freaking out to signing up because he has to get back to Correlia to glomming on to Becket because he has to get back to Correlia - the external impetus remains front and center (and he blurts out the internal one pretty quickly too).
Alex in SF OTM about his first time in space in the Falcon, for all the talk about L3, the real human-mechanical love story here is Han and the Falcon*, the score bursts into the Star Wars theme the first time he sees her.
I could definitely have done without the fan-service at the end, both seeing them winning the spaceship and the "there's a crime boss on *audience groans* Tatooine" - apart from anything else there's nothing else to do now, if it wasn't for the timing of the proto-proto-Rebellion, there's no reason that Episode IV couldn't be the next week.
The flip side of that is that I would totally watch a sequel which was this without the character-building. I don't know that it would have Qi'ra in it though, that sounds like it's up there with Simon thinking DJ will return in Episode IX.
* though the bit in the second gambling scene where he claims that she's meant for him or whatever is even weirder in the context that some of L3 is now literally part of the ship.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 3 June 2018 21:57 (five years ago) link
a stock montage of him in training, on missions, flying through the stars but still looking sad and determined, her photo on the dashboard, blah blah blah
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 3 June 2018 22:33 (five years ago) link
We do know from ep 7 that someone who has,lived all their lives in a desert and never flown before can pilot the Falcon, for what that's worth.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Sunday, 3 June 2018 23:53 (five years ago) link
she was a parts geek though, that probably helped? tbf this is a recurrent sci-fi trope, that someone settles into an alien/new spaceship and just somehow knows which switches to flip.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 4 June 2018 00:33 (five years ago) link
she’s only the third jedi in the series that sand planet, never piloted spaceship, etc
― mh, Monday, 4 June 2018 00:52 (five years ago) link
the handy with parts stuff is a holdover from George’s “kid who is born to work on and race cars” character he’s always into
― mh, Monday, 4 June 2018 00:54 (five years ago) link
Ok, this movie was great. I'm surprised takes are so mixed, I had a blast. I really like the idea of a fun SW film, and this delivered. Only complaint was the muted color palette, this needed to be a colorful film. Loved the uprising sequence and felt relief that they finally broached the topic of whether a human can make sweet love with a droud.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 4 June 2018 02:37 (five years ago) link
there have been some complaints about theaters projecting too dark or being cheap and not making sure their projectors are maintained. muted colors overall but the lighting was really dynamic where I saw it!
having the entire vibe be the shadowy cantina scene where you’re not sure who is drawing their blaster followed by outside chases was good
― mh, Monday, 4 June 2018 03:17 (five years ago) link
t's depressing and creepy to think of Darth Maul guy doing that on his own (assuming he wasn't paid to be there)haha at first i thought this post was talking about the character, hoping that the crime syndicate was paying him...
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Monday, 4 June 2018 12:09 (five years ago) link
"i think we'll be working VERY CLOSELY TOGETHER in the FUTURE........"
"well maybe"
"aw please? i got nothing to do around here lately"
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 4 June 2018 12:17 (five years ago) link
Is the duration of the mentorship by Woody Harrelson's character way too short?Like they only did one job together so surprising that he'd be set up in a position like that though not sure what narrative structure would look like for an introductory adventure otherwise.
― Stevolende, Monday, 4 June 2018 12:21 (five years ago) link
boy i hope darth maul shows up in any future solo movies so we can enjoy the kind of edge-of-the-seat tension which can only arise from the audience's absolute certainty that neither the protaognists nor the antagonists are in any real danger
― and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 June 2018 12:23 (five years ago) link
lol but isn't this after the prequels? so maul could get offed at any time. but they're gonna need to do more than slice him in half and throw him down a well. which i hope maul tells them, hubristically, as wanders carelessly close to a molten river of lead
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 4 June 2018 12:29 (five years ago) link
no, maul shows up in the clone wars tv series, which occurs after the events of solo, and meets his actual proper death there
― and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 June 2018 12:33 (five years ago) link
xp Yeah, but he dies elsewhere - Kenobi kills him in Star Wars Rebels
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 4 June 2018 12:36 (five years ago) link
Darth Maul is in Star Wars Rebels as well where he meets his PROPER proper death.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 4 June 2018 12:36 (five years ago) link
oh yeah, rebels is what mean rather than clone wars, thx fellow nerds
― and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 June 2018 12:37 (five years ago) link
I wasn't sure what the high levels of skeeviness Maul was laying on were about.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 4 June 2018 12:40 (five years ago) link
I’ve heard Maul does in a different cartoon series, maybe after he kills Kenobi finally? I hear that guy is actually alive, escaped the jedi purge
― mh, Monday, 4 June 2018 12:54 (five years ago) link
I saw this. This was fine, better than expected really. Lots of things to dislike (drab color palette, clumsy inclusion of kessel run, kind of boring main villain) but mostly made up for by the good stuff (droid rights!, train heist, the cool looking rebels).
The whole thing felt a bit rushed and obviously was shot quickly (I'm thinking of the trench warfare scene in particular seen where all we see is a couple of guys at night shooting some guns) which makes me wonder if this would have been a much better movie if they'd have pushed back the release date 6 months or so (also Christmas is when people expect Star Wars movies at this point anyway).
― silverfish, Monday, 4 June 2018 13:57 (five years ago) link
the oddest thing about this movie is that if i had to rank ron howard movies this would probably be near the top even though i didn't like it very much
― and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 June 2018 14:04 (five years ago) link
is that really that odd?
― mh, Monday, 4 June 2018 14:11 (five years ago) link
well, probably not tbh
― and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 June 2018 14:12 (five years ago) link
apollo 13 remains great but you'd have to work pretty hard to fuck up that story imo
― and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 June 2018 14:13 (five years ago) link
still scratching my head at young han solo, outspoken imperial mutineer over the rights of offscreen indigenous people. fine idea, especially for a movie that notionally should end with a once-idealistic young man turned cynical.... but totally dropped until the end bit with the masked rebels, since the empire aren't the bad guys in this movie. the idea is to weld this together by having the crime syndicate be the ones who colonized and exploited this refinery planet, thus giving han a moral choice to make: stick with the plan and give the monstrous villain the money (saving his own neck), or help the heroic rebels (risking his neck, and tanking his characterization in the original star wars). but the preceding two hours of film haven't been testing han's ethics or leading him to where he makes this decision, and the early scene with him mouthing off to his commanding officer comes off more like an adolescent rebellion, consistent with his mouthing off to Madame Millipede at the beginning. so it just comes out of nowhere and the decision isn't in doubt, making the whole rebel bit into padding.whether the lead character is driven by his ethics or his ego seems like an important thing to have pinned down when writing a script. but of course, three-quarters of the film were reshot; i assume howard shot woke han, and lord-and-miller shot insouciant han.
― noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Monday, 4 June 2018 14:20 (five years ago) link
either way, han shot first
― and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 June 2018 14:25 (five years ago) link
What was weird about this scene is that it was shot as if seeing the face of this person was some sort of revelation. I was trying to figure out if this was some important character I'm supposed to recognize.
― silverfish, Monday, 4 June 2018 14:37 (five years ago) link
yeah that was really weird - having heard that darth maul was gonna appear in this i was half-expecting him to be under there when the helmet came off but it was... someone we'd never seen before
― and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 June 2018 14:42 (five years ago) link
Yeah, I also thought she was Woody and Thandie's daughter.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 4 June 2018 14:44 (five years ago) link
I think the shock was supposed to be that she was a kid, or if we're going to really be uncharitable about how jaded the filmmakers are, a woman
― mh, Monday, 4 June 2018 14:45 (five years ago) link
it might have been shocking if she was like 11 but it just landed with a thud
― and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 June 2018 14:47 (five years ago) link
maybe there were supposed to be scenes building up what a terrifying badass she was but tbh i spent most of her screen time trying to remember whether it was her and her gang who showed up to foil the train heist near the beginning
― and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 June 2018 14:50 (five years ago) link
I'd poke fun at that but it's refreshing to hear after all the times I've missed something really obvious in a movie and everyone on ilx has been confused that I missed the plot
― mh, Monday, 4 June 2018 14:59 (five years ago) link
look this movie is 400 hours long and not exactly gripping, u can't expect me to remember every detail
― and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 June 2018 15:05 (five years ago) link
i also thought it was supposed to be their kid. and then i got distracted trying to remember what her name was. they said it a lot but it always kind of slipped past. it's really a problem now that almost every character in these movies has a syllable-soup name. again I would not mind some by-the-books, obvious filmic moves here: a hologram file with last-known-photo, a list of planets they've robbed, and a big name caption at the bottom pops up, midway through bettany dressing down woody: "i'm deeply disappointed to hear you were swindled by ENFYS NEST once again!" instead it's just this swish of N and S sounds that gets said a few times in the movie but never really glues itself to that one masked marauder.
― noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Monday, 4 June 2018 15:20 (five years ago) link
In a galaxy full of Nien Nunbs and such, how does someone end up with a name like Tobias Beckett? Was he teleported from Earth?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 4 June 2018 15:24 (five years ago) link
he’s from space-ireland iirc
― and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 June 2018 15:33 (five years ago) link
i have no desire to ever see this, but since Han's "arc" in STAR WARS (that's what i call it) was clearly modeled on Rick in CASABLANCA and similar characters -- the cynic who eventually does the right thing -- it makes total sense that he would've had some youthful idealism, like Rick.
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 June 2018 15:37 (five years ago) link
Was the marauder's mask removal supposed to be a call back (call forward?) to Leia's unmasking in ROTJ?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 4 June 2018 15:38 (five years ago) link
Morbs, not that you saw it (or did you?), but The Last Jedi had a Casablanca-in-space scene. War profiteers in a casino.
― mh, Monday, 4 June 2018 15:41 (five years ago) link
yes, I saw it. There was a traveling shot in that sequence directly modeled on one from Wings (1927).
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 June 2018 15:44 (five years ago) link
lol Morbs totally otm. Feel like there's a lot of calls for everything to be spelled out here, from the same quarters that also deride the idea of these "adventures" side-movies that... spell everything out
Presumably there is plenty of time for Hand Rebooto to turn cynic in the next two movies eh? THEN WILL YOU BE HAPPY??!?
*Narrator* They won't be
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 4 June 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link
there’s a difference between wanting things to be spelled out and being confused by poor storytelling tbf
― and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 June 2018 15:52 (five years ago) link
I mean the general vibe I'm hearing is that storytelling-wise Han should by rights should be an embittered cynic at the end of this one, to connect up to the Han of Star Wars but that just seems too neat for its own sake, like if the Young Indy movie had a grad-school montage where a snake came out of the toilet and bit him on the nuts. I don't need it dramatized (unless there's a great story connected to it of course! which may be coming in Eps 2-3 of this swizz)
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 4 June 2018 16:01 (five years ago) link
the snake thing is in the River Phoenix prologue in Last Crusade
(not nut biting)
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 June 2018 16:03 (five years ago) link
if the Young Indy movie had a grad-school montage where a snake came out of the toilet and bit him on the nutsthat’s almost exactly what solo is, though - we see the origin of virtually everything we know about him played out onscreen: the kessel run! chewie! the falcon! lando! his blaster! it adds nothing and overexplains everything
― and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 June 2018 16:04 (five years ago) link
I figure we're still 10 years or so before the original Star Wars at the end of this movie. Having Han already be exactly the same as in Star Wars at the end of this would be weird.
― silverfish, Monday, 4 June 2018 16:07 (five years ago) link
how quickly we forget The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles
― mh, Monday, 4 June 2018 16:12 (five years ago) link
Lol I forgot that the snake thing was explained in Young Indie
xpost to silverfish yeah that's all I mean, there's plenty of time for Han to get crusty
bizarro no I get that. But like.. the Chewie meet-cute was FUN. Lando was FUN. His blaster was.. OK that was kind of a dud but took up 10 seconds of screen time. It was all pretty fun to me! Why not tell those stories if they're going to be fun! Getting away from that monster in the maelstrom was fucking HORRIFYING. And I love the idea that L3 is somehow.. guiding Han through the asteroid belt in the OG series. That's got nothing to do with explaining any backstory but is nonetheless a cool addition to the whole thing
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 4 June 2018 16:15 (five years ago) link
the important question is who will star in Young Fugitive
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 4 June 2018 16:20 (five years ago) link
when did "meet-cute" become omnipresent in our culture and how the fuck can I delete it from my brain
― mh, Monday, 4 June 2018 16:35 (five years ago) link
1998 and watch all the episodes of friends backwards
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 4 June 2018 16:37 (five years ago) link
I swear I only saw it a few times in my life until the last six months, at which point it has been in a zillion articles not just about comedy and romantic fiction, but about actual dating
there are some threads where I should take this, though
― mh, Monday, 4 June 2018 17:36 (five years ago) link
For some reason I thought "meet cute" was one of those Ebert-coined terms bu apparently it dates back to at least 1941: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meet_cute
― Eliza D., Monday, 4 June 2018 17:52 (five years ago) link
The real phrase that needs extermination is "story beats".
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 00:54 (five years ago) link
"worldbuilding". Destroy "worldbuilding".
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 01:03 (five years ago) link
Ah man working in tv you hear stuff like "story beats", "signposting" and myriad other dumb terms flung around endlessly. I blame Hollywood.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 01:05 (five years ago) link
I have discovered who Dr. C is in real life. Some of her criticisms are pretty sharp! (This one also thought what's-her-face was Woody and Thandie's daughter.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP8FZ4cBzaI
(That whole taking off the helmet scene was basically this for the audience.)
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/968/818/6b6.png
― Eliza D., Tuesday, 5 June 2018 12:54 (five years ago) link
Solo now projected to be the first Star Wars movie to lose money!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 13:39 (five years ago) link
#freelordandmiller
― and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 13:42 (five years ago) link
"meet cute" is a staple of screwball comedy, like the one where Jean Arthur gets dunked by a fur coat thrown out the window
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 13:47 (five years ago) link
I'm bummed that Inherent Vice didn't propel "meet squalid" into the popular vernacular.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 13:58 (five years ago) link
gimme the Maz Kanata movie
― mh, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 00:28 (five years ago) link
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius),
first Mitchell Leisen allusion in a Star Wars thread
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 00:33 (five years ago) link
Would watch
A DENGAR stand-alone STAR WARS film where he's in a Salieri/Mozart rivalry with Boba Fett.— Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) June 7, 2018
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 7 June 2018 02:19 (five years ago) link
This is the kind of nonsense this universe needs
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 7 June 2018 02:23 (five years ago) link
This was my first thought, I guess because she looked like she could be their daughter, and also because the scene was played like a dramatic unmasking, like we're supposed to be surprised who's underneath the helmet... and it turns out to be someone we've never seen or heard before, and neither have the protagonists. I guess the idea was for the viewer to be shocked, "Oh my god, it's a girl!", a la the first Metroid game, but the SW universe is so full of ass-kicking young women, it's baffling if they thought this would shock us.
What made it worse that this was soon followed by another dramatic unmasking that was almost equally baffling. Tho I've watched some of Clone Wars, I didn't know they'd brought Maul back there, but the idea that he's alive didn't really bother me, 'cos you could clearly see his robotic legs in the hologram, and Vader had already survived worse. No, what was baffling was that they decided to bring back a character who was last seen in a movie almost 20 years ago, and who most people remember as a barely-vocal muscle of the big bad, but now all of a sudden he's the mastermind leader of a crime syndicate. Is Maul still working for Palpatine, or has he developed an intelligence of his own and changed from a lackey to a don? Maybe all of this is explained in the Solo sequels (if they ever get made), but as a revelation in this movie it was completely disconnected from anything that happened before it. As cliched as that would've been, I would've preferred if the mysterious boss had been revealed to be, like, Val or Rio, who'd merely faked his death. Or at least someone who had actually appeared or been mentioned in the movie before.
Another nitpicky thing that bugged me was the whole concept of coaxium. Like, we're told this an extremely important resource, as IIRC coaxium was said be the only fuel that allows starships to go into hyperdrive. And Kessel is explicitly stated to be the only known place where you can mine unrefined coaxium, which then gets turned into the fuel. So why is this crucially important mining site controlled by 20 or 30 crime syndicate thugs, who get easily overthrown by some rebelling slaves? You'd think the Empire would find the only source for hyperdrive fuel to be an extremely important site, so why hadn't they taken control of it ages ago?
― Tuomas, Monday, 18 June 2018 08:28 (five years ago) link
The scene with the mysterious boss is not in any way about "fill in the following entry in the Crimson Dawn org chart" - it's about Q'ira's actions and her control of her future.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 18 June 2018 09:11 (five years ago) link
Well yeah, but in that case it could've just been a completely new character instead of Maul. If the only point of him was to serve that function in Ki'Ras character arc, then bringing back a dead character who seems completely out of place in that role was a bad choice, cos it makes the viewer focus on Maul, and what his survival and leadership of Crimson Dawn implies, instead of her.
― Tuomas, Monday, 18 June 2018 10:00 (five years ago) link
i did kinda wonder about the coaxium being kept behind triple-locked vaults etc in every other place it exists but then there's this coaxium REFINERY where you can just wheel it up in a dolly and a desert dude comes up and says "thanks, hot stuff" and goes back to making porridge while u chill on the beach. but like, there's probably a reason? that we are not shown? which is fine??
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 18 June 2018 10:55 (five years ago) link
They died on the Kessel Run - the rest of the film is Lost-type personal revelations
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 18 June 2018 11:07 (five years ago) link
i did kinda wonder about the coaxium being kept behind triple-locked vaults etc in every other place it exists but then there's this coaxium REFINERY where you can just wheel it up in a dolly and a desert dude comes up and says "thanks, hot stuff" and goes back to making porridge while u chill on the beach. but like, there's probably a reason? that we are not shown?
It seemed pretty obvious that particular refinery was a clandestine/illegal operation, since Crimson Dawn was a regular customer? Whereas the triple-locked coaxium was official Empire product, most likely produced in hi-security Empire refineries. (Hence Beckett never suggested raiding some Empire facility to pay his coaxium debt to Dryden Vos, the train heist seems to have been a one-off lucky chance that couldn't be repeated.) I still don't get why Kessel was such a low-security place and/or not controlled by the Empire tho? Clearly the Empire was buying stuff from Kessel too, judging by how fast that star destroyed appeared to stop the Millenium Falcon from getting away.
― Tuomas, Monday, 18 June 2018 11:27 (five years ago) link
yes, that was my point :)
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 18 June 2018 11:46 (five years ago) link
The Empire was a more half-assed operation than we initially thought
― mh, Monday, 18 June 2018 12:37 (five years ago) link
or that some cultures in this big universe have a different relationship with coaxium than the state military juntas of the empire and the rebellionthough maybe not; the various species and planets and cultures of star wars have a curiously consistent set of values. apart from lol the ewoks
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 18 June 2018 14:14 (five years ago) link
they totally ate some stormtroopers
― mh, Monday, 18 June 2018 14:28 (five years ago) link
It may be a while before we see any more movies like Solo: A Star Wars Story out of Lucasfilm. Sources with knowledge of the situation tell Collider that Lucasfilm has decided to put plans for more A Star Wars Story spinoff movies on hold, instead opting to focus their attention on Star Wars: Episode IX and what the next trilogy of Star Wars films will be after that film. Sources tell us that the previously rumored Obi-Wan movie was in active development, but those who were working on the film are no longer involved. It was recently reported that Logan filmmaker James Mangold was in early talks to write and direct the Boba Fett film, but that was before Solo’s release.This news comes in the wake of the disappointing launch of Solo, which was only Lucasfilm’s second A Star Wars Story spinoff, but which received mixed-positive reviews and fell short of box office expectations. The film scored $84.4 million on opening weekend and has grossed $192.8 million domestically (and $339.5 million worldwide) in four weeks, which is nothing to scoff at but is far, far lower than the performance of other Star Wars movies at this benchmark. For comparison’s sake, Rogue One opened to $155 million and had grossed $424 million domestic by Week 4. To put it simply, while Solo did fine by blockbuster standards, it wasn’t the “event” that Lucasfilm expected out of a brand new Star Wars movie.
This news comes in the wake of the disappointing launch of Solo, which was only Lucasfilm’s second A Star Wars Story spinoff, but which received mixed-positive reviews and fell short of box office expectations. The film scored $84.4 million on opening weekend and has grossed $192.8 million domestically (and $339.5 million worldwide) in four weeks, which is nothing to scoff at but is far, far lower than the performance of other Star Wars movies at this benchmark. For comparison’s sake, Rogue One opened to $155 million and had grossed $424 million domestic by Week 4. To put it simply, while Solo did fine by blockbuster standards, it wasn’t the “event” that Lucasfilm expected out of a brand new Star Wars movie.
― Number None, Wednesday, 20 June 2018 19:36 (five years ago) link
Both Star Wars Story films are much more enjoyable than The Last Jedi
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 19:39 (five years ago) link
Actual crazy talk, there.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 20 June 2018 20:09 (five years ago) link
I just re-watched TLJ the other night. There are parts I like, but it's kind of a train wreck.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 20:12 (five years ago) link
the lure of Rogue One was pretty obvious. it's an easy sell for a story ("This is how the Rebellion got the plans for the Death Star"), and the locations and action scenes highlighted in the ad campaign were vv enticing. And in the end the film was excellent enough that word-of-mouth was a major part of its success. This was a spinoff that made as much as The Dark Knight. As a film it had a reason for being made, the story was already hinted at in the original films, and it was done in a pretty interesting way. Visually it was pretty outstanding, probably the best-looking SW film imo.
w/Solo, there were lots of issues from the outside looking in that had nothing to do with its troubled production (not the least of which was the campaign never gave a decent idea of what the film was about, and it looked a bit cheap), but ultimately I'm not sure how much SW fans cared to see Han Solo played by a random younger Alden/Ansel/Taron actor (which would be a problem for anyone trying to play younger versions of the three major characters from the original series tbh.)
― omar little, Wednesday, 20 June 2018 20:15 (five years ago) link
To put it simply, while Solo did fine by blockbuster standards, it wasn’t the “event” that Lucasfilm expected out of a brand new Star Wars movie
Don't get the impression Lucasfilm were expecting it quite like that given how much they sheltered it pre-release plus just putting it out less than six months after a major new episode in the first place. They lowered expectations intentionally after unintended developments but perhaps also to reconfig for a more Marvel-like release schedule from now on (going by there being at least two new trilogies plus at least one more Story prequel).
― nashwan, Wednesday, 20 June 2018 20:21 (five years ago) link
omar otm - for a crap movie, solo did great!
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 21:37 (five years ago) link
Rogue One had a tight direction and a well-structured plot, but the characters were paper-thin, so it was kinda hard to care about their fate. Solo is kinda the opposite, rounded characters and decent-to-excellent actors, but the plot was all over the place, with too many fanservice boxes to tick. Still liked it more than RO tho, cos it's not like any of these movies (except maybe The Last Jedi) can wow me with unexpected plot twists and idiosyncrasies, so good ensembles and nice character interplay is the best they can do.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 June 2018 21:47 (five years ago) link
while Solo did fine by blockbuster standards
Isn't it struggling to break even?
― jmm, Wednesday, 20 June 2018 21:58 (five years ago) link
which would be a problem for anyone trying to play younger versions of the three major characters from the original series tbh
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 22:07 (five years ago) link
xp: According to boxofficemojo ATM, Solo has grossed $343 million worldwide. Given a reported $250-300 million production budget, it has some ways to go before breakeven. Rule of thumb is twice the production budget. This doesn't figure the cost for the IP, $4 billion in 2012.
― Chaos reigns... in my pants (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 22:10 (five years ago) link
i loved Rogue One. the characters were all pretty interesting and distinct, i had no problem caring about them at the end. the intro with Jynn & her parents was brilliant. the ST films have been so bad about presenting the Empire as a personal threat you feel connected to through a lead character and this was a positive step in that direction.
another highlight was Chirrut Îmwe as a force user who doesn't say Jedi or Sith or balance the prophecy or any mumbo jumbo but actually presents and interesting and mysterious take on hackneyed material. the next movie they just photocopied Luke's Jedi journey from ESB & ROTJ and everyone sat back and said it was bold, unexpected filmmaking.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 22:15 (five years ago) link
adam
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 22:16 (five years ago) link
Did Rey lose a hand? No, so.
― nashwan, Wednesday, 20 June 2018 22:22 (five years ago) link
one of the main complaints about TLJ was that it wasn't enough like ESB, Luke was depressed and didn't really train her. fans on the whole might've been more happy if it was like TFA which true enough was a carbon copy of Episode IV
― Nhex, Wednesday, 20 June 2018 22:28 (five years ago) link
the force shit in rogue one was among the most embarrassing things about it iirc
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 22:30 (five years ago) link
hah did Rey lose a hand. if you tweak one thing in a wholly lifted plot it is brave and bold. it was a carbon copy of ESB and ROTJ as much as TFA was a carbon copy of ANH. Luke is Yoda/Obi Wan. he is the hermit who does not fight (Yoda "Wars not make one great") and trains Rey, the young and anxious Jedi apprentice. she is the Luke here. she goes to an isolated place to learn from a non-warrior who is secretly a warrior. she goes to a hole in a tree just like Luke did. she learns to lift rocks just like Luke did. she leaves with the training unfinished like Luke did. yes her hand did not get cut off. apparently making one change while doing everything else the same is bold and new. but then she does ROTJ. she shows up in handcuffs to the enemy base like Luke in ROTJ. she ends up in a three way conversation like Luke in ROTJ. she fights against both bad guys and sees the one she is connected to kill his master like Luke in ROTJ. because this happens in the 2nd film and not the 3rd film people think this is stunning and new and brilliant. it is not. it is the same plot just shifted one film over.
similarly most of the things Luke does are based on Yoda/Obi Wan in ANH/ESB. Yoda is introduced laughing at the idea of a warrior and saying "Wars not make one great" the unwilling teacher, Luke does that here. Obi Wan force projects onto two different planets in ESB and Luke does that. Obi Wan lies to his apprentice in ESB and Luke does that. Obi Wan dies in a sacrificial last stand to a Jedi-Sith lighstaber battle on the other side of a slowly closing door and Luke does that.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 21 June 2018 00:03 (five years ago) link
them smashing a star destroyer into another one has already been done in 2 or 3 other Star Wars films. people kept saying the lightspeed ramming thing was brilliant and never before done. lol ok
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 21 June 2018 00:04 (five years ago) link
is being a force ghost the same as force projecting
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Thursday, 21 June 2018 00:05 (five years ago) link
ofc
they smashed a spaceship into another spaceship FASTER THAN ANYONE HAS BEFORE
genius
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 21 June 2018 00:05 (five years ago) link
Obi Wan sends his force projection across Hoth and Dagoba in ESB
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 21 June 2018 00:06 (five years ago) link
i get it now, you're trolling
― Nhex, Thursday, 21 June 2018 00:18 (five years ago) link
TLJ is the most interesting movie in the series since ESBI think the Finn/Rose side story lost a little momentum but was their Cloud City moment. Could have used a shock “Vader’s coming to dinner” moment imo the best anthology work right now is two of the comics telling pieces of the same story
― mh, Thursday, 21 June 2018 01:26 (five years ago) link
Best Star Wars fan theory that is both dumb and great: Luke didn’t die, he just felt really homesick after seeing the dual sunset and he force teleported home to Tatooine
― mh, Thursday, 21 June 2018 01:27 (five years ago) link
I like it. Everyone knows that the whole point of the sunset scene in A New Hope is that he loves being on Tatooine.
― jmm, Thursday, 21 June 2018 01:33 (five years ago) link
for some reason Luke can only truly come out of exile by passing through Tatooine
― mh, Thursday, 21 June 2018 01:34 (five years ago) link
lmao jmm
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Thursday, 21 June 2018 01:42 (five years ago) link
Adam, reading your posts about TLJ, I finally understand the trauma that the ending of Lost wreaked upon me and, more importantly, the trauma I've wreaked upon friends and loved ones any time the show has been evoked in conversation. I apologize profusely to everyone affected, and, Adam, I hope that you are also able to find peace within you one day and forgive Rian Johnson for his crimes against humanity. Namaste.
― Rep. Bob Excellentfrappuccino (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 June 2018 03:39 (five years ago) link
That Wee Robot That Cuts About the Death Star: A Star Wars StoryThat Wean Anakin Murders Wae a Lightsaber: A Star Wars StoryThat Arsepiece That Runs a 1950s Diner: A Star Wars StoryThat Shite R2 Unit That Uncle Owen Didnae Buy: A Star Wars StoryYer Da: A Star Wars Story— Andy Kelly (@ultrabrilliant) June 21, 2018
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 21 June 2018 13:44 (five years ago) link
Also before dying Snoke actually found a way to use the cloning technology to clone himself as a younger unravaged specimen and it turns out he looks EXACTLY like Paul Bettany.
― nashwan, Thursday, 21 June 2018 14:01 (five years ago) link
You guys are going to turn me to the Shakey Mo side pretty soon
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 21 June 2018 14:27 (five years ago) link
All of the new characters are clones of characters from the original trilogy, iirc. Except BB-8, which is just Yaddle running around in a robotic hamster ball.
― Rep. Bob Excellentfrappuccino (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 June 2018 14:37 (five years ago) link
infinite snokes
― mh, Thursday, 21 June 2018 15:54 (five years ago) link
https://slate.com/culture/2018/06/star-wars-fans-campaign-to-remake-the-last-jedi-explained.html
Who’s behind the remake effort?An individual or a group that’s channeling the imagination-capturing heroism of Luke, Leia, Han, Rey, and Finn by … staying anonymous.What do they want?Another version of The Last Jedi—one that, according to the campaign’s Twitter account, isn’t “juvenile,” “unconscionable,” or “blasphemy.” The remaker(s) don’t have a storyline or even a protagonist in mind—they’re just certain that their fantasy version will be better than the movie that already exists. Per their plan, the remakers “will be consulting with Star Wars fans directly throughout the writing of the remake … to make a version of TLJ that is as close to universally accepted as possible.” They do acknowledge the impossibility of pleasing everyone, so they might have to prepare for a potential Remake the Remake of The Last Jedi campaign, and the Remake the Remake of the Remake of The Last Jedi campaign, and so on. Because that’s how fandom works!
An individual or a group that’s channeling the imagination-capturing heroism of Luke, Leia, Han, Rey, and Finn by … staying anonymous.
What do they want?
Another version of The Last Jedi—one that, according to the campaign’s Twitter account, isn’t “juvenile,” “unconscionable,” or “blasphemy.” The remaker(s) don’t have a storyline or even a protagonist in mind—they’re just certain that their fantasy version will be better than the movie that already exists. Per their plan, the remakers “will be consulting with Star Wars fans directly throughout the writing of the remake … to make a version of TLJ that is as close to universally accepted as possible.” They do acknowledge the impossibility of pleasing everyone, so they might have to prepare for a potential Remake the Remake of The Last Jedi campaign, and the Remake the Remake of the Remake of The Last Jedi campaign, and so on. Because that’s how fandom works!
As someone who loves to watch bad films I'm really hoping this happens on some level.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 23 June 2018 22:35 (five years ago) link
all the best stories are made by committee, what could possibly go wrong
― topless from 11am (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 23 June 2018 22:44 (five years ago) link
lol wow. should be on Star Wars 8 shit talk but yeah that's hilarious
― noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 23 June 2018 22:49 (five years ago) link
First trailer for the anime-styled "Star Wars: Resistance" coming in October.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH_Ws7sA468
― Eliza D., Friday, 17 August 2018 15:10 (five years ago) link
Lovely looking animation.
― chap, Friday, 17 August 2018 15:19 (five years ago) link
Tried watching SOLO, gave up around 40mins in. Really uninspired meat & potatoes stuff. Cunning to cast a lead actor who doesn't look, sound or move like Harrison Ford, and to completely waste Thandie Newton. Felt like a big-budget fan film. It's possible Phoebe Waller-Bridge saves this thing further in, but I doubt it.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Monday, 17 September 2018 07:07 (five years ago) link
it is a mystery!
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 17 September 2018 07:09 (five years ago) link
It's possible Phoebe Waller-Bridge saves this thing
allow me to reassure you: she does not
― 🧛🏻♂️ F A T 🧛🏻♂️ D R A C U L A 🧛🏻♂️ (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 17 September 2018 10:55 (five years ago) link
this movie rules fuiud
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 17 September 2018 11:07 (five years ago) link
It was dire. Every plot beat and laboured callback telegraphed miles in advance, charmless leads (stop trying to make Emilia Clarke happen), and it felt about five hours long
― Number None, Monday, 17 September 2018 11:12 (five years ago) link
https://www.starwars.com/news/the-mandalorian-revealed
Production on the first Star Wars live-action streaming series has begun! After the stories of Jango and Boba Fett, another warrior emerges in the Star Wars universe. The Mandalorian is set after the fall of the Empire and before the emergence of the First Order. We follow the travails of a lone gunfighter in the outer reaches of the galaxy far from the authority of the New Republic. The series will be written and executive produced by Emmy-nominated producer and actor Jon Favreau, as previously announced, with Dave Filoni (Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Star Wars Rebels) directing the first episode. Additional episodic directors include Deborah Chow (Jessica Jones), Rick Famuyiwa (Dope), Bryce Dallas Howard (Solemates), and Taika Waititi (Thor: Ragnarok). It will be executive produced by Jon Favreau, Dave Filoni, Kathleen Kennedy, and Colin Wilson. Karen Gilchrist will serve as co-executive producer. Stay tuned to StarWars.com for updates.
https://starwarsblog.starwars.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/the-mandalorian-1024x809.jpg
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Friday, 5 October 2018 12:42 (five years ago) link
the first TV series based entirely on a cool helmet design
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 5 October 2018 14:15 (five years ago) link
Is this going to be like a Boba Fett improv show filmed at Disney World?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 5 October 2018 14:51 (five years ago) link
“We can’t justify an entire Fett movie after the Solo failure, team.”“But the helmet is SO COOL.”“I know, let’s do a TV series just about the helmet. Pretend it was never meant to be about Bobba.”
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 5 October 2018 15:52 (five years ago) link
I wish they hadn’t desaturates the hell out of Solo. Wothisface might have been dressed like Harrison Ford and tutored on some of his mannerisms but he’s got approximately 0% of his charm.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 5 October 2018 15:54 (five years ago) link
It’s an ok Star Wars universe caper movie though. I enjoyed it. Just didn’t think it was amazing.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 5 October 2018 15:55 (five years ago) link
I feel like the way to do a Boba spin-off is to tell it mainly from the point of view of a group of people being hunted, who are ostensibly the protagonists although we're really watching to see them get disintegrated. Just like how the killer is the real star in slasher movies. Play up the mystery and fearsomeness of the relentless pursuer.
― jmm, Friday, 5 October 2018 15:59 (five years ago) link
So basically another Predator sequel
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 5 October 2018 16:08 (five years ago) link
They have never addressed the pred ship visible in the Battle of Endor
― Number None, Friday, 5 October 2018 16:10 (five years ago) link
i've come around to thinking SOLO would have been a pleasantly forgettable, occasionally incompetent, B minus/C plus level space adventure set in the star wars universeb if ehrenreich's character had just been designated as some previously unheard-of nobody. "San Holo," say. so maybe a more generic kind of TV show, just slightly further away from the established characters, is actually the right way to go.
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 5 October 2018 16:16 (five years ago) link
problem is so much of that movie is (sold on) callbacks. Lando! Chewie! Kessel Run!
― Nhex, Friday, 5 October 2018 16:36 (five years ago) link
a more generic kind of TV show, just slightly further away from the established characters, is actually the right way to go.This was the best aspect of Clone Wars and Rebels (and hey, Rogue One) so yes, it is definitely the right way to go.
― El Tomboto, Friday, 5 October 2018 16:41 (five years ago) link
Also the mandalorian character is the coolest one on Rebels
― El Tomboto, Friday, 5 October 2018 16:42 (five years ago) link
Unfortunately whenever a plot starts veering into mandalore’s culture and politics I tend to tune out so hopefully they avoid that nonsense
― El Tomboto, Friday, 5 October 2018 16:44 (five years ago) link
i saw solo on the plane on monday, first of the new star wars movies id seen. would've been the worst movie id seen in years if i hadn't watched life of the party and father figures on the same flight
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 5 October 2018 16:47 (five years ago) link
fwiw it's definitely the weakest of the new ones.
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 5 October 2018 17:03 (five years ago) link
I watched Solo on a plane two weeks ago and liked it much more than I thought I would. A lot of this probably has to do with the fact that it was a shiny newly refurbished plane with movies on a flight that normally is old shitty planes with no movies.
Also my kid is almost four and for the first time ever played quietly on the ipad and watched the first fifteen minutes of a dozen movies during a flight instead of needing constant attention, so I was shocked and amazed that I got to watch an entire movie uninterrupted.
― joygoat, Friday, 5 October 2018 17:07 (five years ago) link
as someone who got off the star wars train after going to see episode 1 as a teenager just after it opened i somehow still got really canon-geek why-did-you-ruin-this about things like his surname, the kessel run, darth maul's reappearance, han having essentially helped create the rebellion despite the most important fact about him at the start of a new hope being that he is a mercenary who wants no part in that shit blaah
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 5 October 2018 17:17 (five years ago) link
So glad I skipped this
― Uhura Mazda (lukas), Friday, 5 October 2018 17:18 (five years ago) link
jim, have i got a thread for you!
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 5 October 2018 17:19 (five years ago) link
good thread
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 5 October 2018 18:39 (five years ago) link
Cringed so hard and so fast at the ".. equal rights?" 'joke' that i almost did myself a mischief.
― piscesx, Monday, 15 October 2018 08:16 (five years ago) link
Diff'rent Snokes: A Star Wars Story
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 15 October 2018 12:38 (five years ago) link
Finally got round to watching the rest of this while recovering from food poisoning. It was mildly better than the food poisoning, but less exciting.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 00:09 (five years ago) link
I also watched a little over an hour of it on a plane and hated almost everything about it, aside from some production design that was wasted.
― Chris L, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 00:57 (five years ago) link
this is actually pretty cool - machine learning inserts harrison ford into solo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANXucrz7Hjs
― himalayan mountain hole (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 09:26 (five years ago) link
Rogue One on UK netflix, thought I'd watch it again (second time only) as a comfort movie, it totally hit the spot. The plot and editing niggles were largely ignorable, some great set pieces and no significant longueurs; the emotional depth was provided more by the horrors-of-war-lite theme than individual characters but that's fine, it still had the heart and soul (and looks of course) of a Star Wars film; k2-s0 was a+ comic relief. Cushing looked terrible though, really stood out as a videogame character in a live action film. Carrie Fisher not so much.
― Toss another shrimpl air on the bbqbbq (ledge), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 09:35 (five years ago) link
i wonder if they'll be able to resist that videogame character trick if they make another movie set in the classic era
― twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 13:39 (five years ago) link
Diego Luna reprising his Rogue One role in a live-action series for Disney's new streaming service: https://www.starwars.com/news/cassian-andor-live-action-series-announced
Pedro Pascal taking the lead role in the The Mandalorian TV series: https://variety.com/2018/film/news/star-wars-pedro-pascal-mandalorian-series-1203023818/
Fuck yeah SW POC!
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 00:17 (five years ago) link
The CGI Cushing is a weird case. I knew at once watching it that it was a recreation, but several people I know who didn't know who Cushing was had no idea he wasn't a real actor in the film. The uncanniness does seem to depend on prior knowledge.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 02:11 (five years ago) link
OK, this show is going to be . . . something.
https://www.starwars.com/news/pedro-pascal-revealed-as-the-mandalorian
Pedro Pascal (Narcos) has been cast in the title role as a lone Mandalorian gunfighter in the outer reaches of the galaxy. He is joined by Gina Carano (Deadpool), Giancarlo Esposito (Breaking Bad), Emily Swallow (Supernatural), Carl Weathers (Predator), Omid Abtahi (American Gods), Werner Herzog (Grizzly Man), and Nick Nolte (Affliction).
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:05 (five years ago) link
wtf
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:07 (five years ago) link
STAR WARS: THE MANDALORIANEXT. MANDALORE - DAYCARL WEATHERS fires a blaster at WERNER HERZOG’s hip.WERNER HERZOGIt was not a significant blast; I am not afraid.— hikikomori povich (@SarahSahim) December 12, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:08 (five years ago) link
already more interesting that solo
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:08 (five years ago) link
that’s an... electic cast
― fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:10 (five years ago) link
No less notable, though this news had already appeared:
Currently in production, The Mandalorian is written and executive produced by Jon Favreau, with Dave Filoni (Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Star Wars Rebels) directing the first episode and serving as executive producer alongside Kathleen Kennedy and Colin Wilson. Additional episodic directors include Deborah Chow (Jessica Jones), Rick Famuyiwa (Dope), Bryce Dallas Howard (Solemates), and Taika Waititi (Thor: Ragnarok).
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:12 (five years ago) link
I will definitely be interested to see how Filoni handles live action, since he's done a very good job with animation.
I also can't wait to hear Giancarlo tell Boba Fett he'll fuck him up quick, two times.
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:13 (five years ago) link
pic.twitter.com/LyzbK7v7dL— Pablo Hidalgo (@pablohidalgo) December 12, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:15 (five years ago) link
Okay, I've just discovered that I can instantly make myself laugh by imagining any line of SW dialogue as uttered by Werner Herzog.
― We don't like hearing stories of a melted thermos. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:16 (five years ago) link
have zero faith in Favreau (so weird that this is where his career went) and I can't imagine Werner's role will be enough to make this interesting tbh
but it is intriguing
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:16 (five years ago) link
I want Herzog to narrate the opening crawl.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:17 (five years ago) link
Hell maybe the whole project should be like one of his documentaries and he's just narrating the action as it happens.
"from...my point of view...it is the...Jedi...who are evil"
― Number None, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:18 (five years ago) link
"I ask one of the Jedis if it is possible for a droid to go insane"
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:19 (five years ago) link
If you had told me back in the day that Monica's chubby, MMA-obsessed boyfriend on Friends would be shepherding part of the future of the Star Wars franchise 20-odd years later, I'd have laughed in your face.
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:22 (five years ago) link
“The Force is not with you. Nothing in this broken universe is with you. The sound of a TIE fighter’s ion engines are a mournful scream sent into an uncaring void. We are all chained to Jabba.” https://t.co/Z10KpZiOsA— Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) December 12, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:29 (five years ago) link
The internet is totally going to ruin this in like a day's time, but I'm enjoying it while it continues to be enjoyable.
― We don't like hearing stories of a melted thermos. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:31 (five years ago) link
whoops missed it, too late for me
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:48 (five years ago) link
Bryce Dallas Howard (Solemates)
read that as (Dolemite)
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 21:16 (five years ago) link
lol at Dolemite
― So, This Leaked (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 13 December 2018 00:00 (five years ago) link
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 13 December 2018 00:02 (five years ago) link
solo was good, agreeably small scale and the better for it
uncanny how they got a guy to be such a ringer for liottas han
― fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Friday, 19 April 2019 23:41 (five years ago) link
Thought it was rank rotten
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Friday, 19 April 2019 23:45 (five years ago) link
fuck me, if deems likes it I may actually have to subject myself to this
― El Tomboto, Friday, 19 April 2019 23:50 (five years ago) link
Emilia Clarke is v wooden.
Done the thing these star wars movies do and explain backstory that was better off unexplained (kessel run, Solo actually having been a good guy and not just a selfish thief prior to a new hope).
Glover's Lando way more compelling than what's-his-chops' Solo but still mibbe too much of a Billy Dee Williams impersonation.
Woody decent as usual.
Darth Maul at the end? Fuck off
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Friday, 19 April 2019 23:52 (five years ago) link
i kept my expectations low but yeah this is better than fine.
granted if you havent resolved yr issues with backstory references going in youve wasted yr ticket money so yknow caveat empire but standalone it did what rogue one managed (not to as strong an effect for the obv reasons that the ending to that wasnt available) in keeping it sw, keeping it fun and a nice tight job with the character beats
plot didn't get in the way of my fun. all i ask.
― fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Friday, 19 April 2019 23:59 (five years ago) link
emilia clarke is vvvvv pretty and did just fine. i liked the obvious arc i mean jesus i left a gf waiting twenty minutes while i went to the bar once and she had done worse on me by the time i got back cmon han buck wise up
― fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Saturday, 20 April 2019 00:01 (five years ago) link
nah this is still hot garbage from the jump
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 20 April 2019 23:29 (five years ago) link
u have a dilemma tombot
― deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Sunday, 21 April 2019 00:39 (five years ago) link
Agree this film is fun enough to watch at least once. Didn't like Glover in it as much as many do though. As for Clarke, well, she doesn't deserve any more stick than Bettany.
― nashwan, Sunday, 21 April 2019 12:56 (five years ago) link
idk that i want to boost this movie all *that* much but bettany is better than fine in this role
― deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Sunday, 21 April 2019 13:10 (five years ago) link
Solo was fine and entertaining enough and nothing was particularly bad about it except maybe the basic premise of trying to retrofit some kind of explanation of what the Kessel run is
I liked what they did with droids in this movie and the whole idea of sentient droids basically being treated as slave labor is something I'd like to see addressed more in Star Wars movies
― silverfish, Monday, 22 April 2019 17:27 (five years ago) link
Feel like that was sort of hinted at in the original movie with contrast between Jawa's treatment of droids vs Luke's.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 22 April 2019 17:39 (five years ago) link
the angle that droids arent just tools is obviously comfortably the worst thing about this movie but the actual droid character pushing it was good
― deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Monday, 22 April 2019 18:12 (five years ago) link
enjoyed it as a nice sly dig at that type tbh it was good
― deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Monday, 22 April 2019 18:13 (five years ago) link
Okay so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOC8E8z_ifw
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 August 2019 01:26 (four years ago) link
Looks good!!
― Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 24 August 2019 02:00 (four years ago) link
So this is happening.
Watch EWAN MCGREGOR confirm his return to Obi-Wan. THE ENERGY IN THIS ROOM! #d23expo @disneyplus pic.twitter.com/sBVptBYUOD— Tiffany Mink (@minkus) August 24, 2019
― I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Saturday, 24 August 2019 02:10 (four years ago) link
Well, I'm glad Werner got paid.
― Simon H., Saturday, 24 August 2019 02:13 (four years ago) link
https://youtu.be/yCm3ar5uw64
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 24 August 2019 02:20 (four years ago) link
I’m more interested in this than 9
Well well
https://deadline.com/2019/10/star-wars-setback-game-of-thrones-duo-david-benioff-d-b-weiss-exit-trilogy-1202771184/
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 04:11 (four years ago) link
Yeah had a hunch that wouldn't pan out.
― chap, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 10:13 (four years ago) link
"So anyway, Ms. Kennedy, like we said at the panel, it turns out we weren't remotely qualified or ready and they gave us $6 million an episode anyway!
. . . we'll show ourselves out."
― I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 12:51 (four years ago) link
Maybe they were talking about taking out all the space and force and Jedi stuff, and the producers got nervous.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 12:54 (four years ago) link
They did a decent enough job after an uneven start of making a fantasy swords and sorcery series into some real HBO bait. Not a very good record of working with a larger writing team or coming up with original material, which is about half of the Star Wars job.
Uh, original material as in plots that aren't pre-written. There's... not a lot of original other material being added to Star Wars.
― mh, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 13:50 (four years ago) link
The only thing that bums me out about this is watching all the keyboard nerd rage warriors tweeting out "WE DID IT!!!", "WE WON!", etc etc ad infinitum.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 13:54 (four years ago) link
avoid those comment sections imo
― mh, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 13:57 (four years ago) link
obvs, but those tweets kept popping up in the middle of otherwise reasonable takes on the announcement.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 13:58 (four years ago) link
I'm wondering how much synergy they're going to build between the Clone Wars cartoon final season they're dropping after many years that'll include the *drum roll* Siege of Mandalore and the flashbacks to the title character's past in The Mandalorian. Might be some of the same scenes!
― mh, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 13:59 (four years ago) link
they obviously knew they were toast re: Star Wars before the netflix deal came up.
― wasdnuos (abanana), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 14:00 (four years ago) link
So first they were going to do 'Confederate', but that never got off the ground. Next they were going to do a Star Wars trilogy, but they've given up on that as well. Now they are at Netflix doing... things? People probably need to stop giving these guys money. Oh, and also, how's it going with those seventeen GoT prequel shows?
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 15:06 (four years ago) link
I thought they were bringing in other showrunners for the GoT prequels, but it's been pretty quiet on that end.
I'll be definitely curious to see what they do for Netflix.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 15:33 (four years ago) link
I figure if they adapt a finished book or series, there's a chance it will be good.
― silverfish, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 15:34 (four years ago) link
Yeah, I mean despite all the rage about the ending, they did do a pretty damn good job of building out Westeros for the first 4-5 seasons.
I'm not sure they'd want to dive back into fantasy already, but I was thinking I wouldn't mind seeing them work with Brandon Sanderson's Stormlight Archive (tho that's dangerous water with a so-far unfinished book series).
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 15:40 (four years ago) link
yeah but if the same book was adapted by non-idiots it would almost certainly be better
― Number None, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 15:41 (four years ago) link
I know it doesn't fit with the tidy narrative going right now, but I don't get this whole repainting of the entire run of GoT as some terrible failure. There were a lot of great seasons before it landed in a steaming pile of shit, and they deserve some of the praise for that.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 15:48 (four years ago) link
I just want to take advantage of this digression to mention that I'm just now becoming aware that people were miffed about the GoT ending and that I'm feeling real, real good about having told every GoT cheerleader that I would probably wait and see how they stuck the landing before I gave the show a shot.
― Feed Me Wheat Thins (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 15:55 (four years ago) link
(I guess I should have inferred from the cheerleaders' silence after the show wrapped up.)
― Feed Me Wheat Thins (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 15:57 (four years ago) link
I just decided to skip the last season. Probably should have also skipped the penultimate season also.
Something can be good without having a good ending.
― silverfish, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 16:07 (four years ago) link
It's true, many people are awesome even though their end is a rear.
― Feed Me Wheat Thins (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 16:09 (four years ago) link
especially television xp
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 16:10 (four years ago) link
Is the new Rian Johnson trilogy still a thing?
― chap, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 16:30 (four years ago) link
The superfans who chased Kelly Marie Tran off of Twitter sure hope so!
― Feed Me Wheat Thins (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 16:33 (four years ago) link
It's very much still a thing.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 16:44 (four years ago) link
The show was close to good as long as they just followed what GRRM wrote, and didn't take any important decisions themselves. Then they had to, and it became awful.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 16:50 (four years ago) link
The Game of Thrones prequel show at HBO is dead according to what I just read.
― akm, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 19:48 (four years ago) link
RIP, Unstructured Pastime of Thrones
― Feed Me Wheat Thins (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 19:54 (four years ago) link
apparently this means there are now no active GoT spin offs. HBO says they still want to do something, but I can see them either 1) waiting several years until nostalgia kicks up 2) just ditching this entirely if they're able to make strides with other series. I"m not sure what happened with this one, the article I read wasn't clear; they had a full staff and a showrunner and everything. Maybe no one was able to write a script.
― akm, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 21:07 (four years ago) link
full cast, I meant.
Maybe no one was able to write a script.
Didn't stop them before.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 21:18 (four years ago) link
The whole thing honestly might be toxic at this point. They probably had to commit an insane amount of money to make this new show, and if the connection to GoT wasn't a really positive thing, it might be a really big gamble.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 21:40 (four years ago) link
apparently this means there are now no active GoT spin offs.
They announced a new one just yesterday
https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/29/20939230/game-of-thrones-spinofff-series-house-of-the-dragons-ordered-hbo-max
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 10:36 (four years ago) link
Poll on when it gets cancelled?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 11:06 (four years ago) link
Can’t wait to see the subscription model they use to lock folks in before they get a look at it
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 11:13 (four years ago) link
It seems pretty obvious that the main reason they cancelled the first series because they decided to go with this other series. This idea being thrown around that game of thrones is suddenly really unpopular is a weird one.
― silverfish, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 13:14 (four years ago) link
Nah. If you've already shot a pilot for one show, hired a full cast and crew, you don't normally go 'but let's do a different series!'.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 13:26 (four years ago) link
Probably not, no, but I don't suspect is has anything to do with the franchise being "toxic", otherwise they wouldn't announce another show.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 14:07 (four years ago) link
Fair enough. Let's say it's still in the process of becoming toxic. Once they cancel this show as they find out there really isn't enough of a show in Fire & Blood (it's basically hundreds of pages of 'my dragon is bigger than yours!), and then just make a cheap Duncan & Egg buddy comedy, which then fails, THEN we can say it's toxic :)
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 15:31 (four years ago) link
Still, though. A remarkable amount of bad stories about Benioff & Weiss and GoT this week.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 15:32 (four years ago) link
get these damn throne games off my goddamn star wars thread!
― mh, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 15:33 (four years ago) link
A War of Stars. A Strike of Empires. A Return of Jedis.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 15:39 (four years ago) link
They reshot and recast the original GoT pilot and HBO have shot plenty of pilots (with starry casts and directors) that haven't been picked up
Doesn't really mean anything that they've decided to go with another GoT show
― Number None, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 17:24 (four years ago) link
HOW BOUT THAT MANDALORIAN
― mh, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 21:04 (four years ago) link
was not expecting to see Bill Burr in the trailer but here we are
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 21:14 (four years ago) link
Whoa, I had somehow missed Taika Waititi's involvement:
Series Directed by Deborah Chow ... (2 episodes, 2019)Rick Famuyiwa ... (2 episodes, 2019)Dave Filoni ... (2 episodes, 2019)Bryce Dallas Howard ... (1 episode, 2019)Taika Waititi ... (1 episode, 2019)
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 22:41 (four years ago) link
he is also the ig-88-style killbot
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 22:43 (four years ago) link
wow only one of those directors is a white man
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 22:44 (four years ago) link
ig-88-style killbot
this 1.5 seconds had me the most hyped of any star wars stuff I've seen in ages - I was totally obsessed with IG-88 when I was a kid a and the five seconds of screen time in empire didn't come anywhere close to satisfying me.
Also as someone who has zero knowledge of non-film star wars canon, is carbon freezing for transfer by bounty hunters an actual thing? I always thought it was something they did to han solo out of necessity - like fuck it, we've got this carbon freezer, maybe this will work?
― joygoat, Thursday, 31 October 2019 17:28 (four years ago) link
totally. see also, obi-wan's "blast helmet plus lightsaber" one-off from the first film, rendered as a standard three-credit tuesday/thursday class with Yoda in the prequels
― weird ilx but sb (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 31 October 2019 17:48 (four years ago) link
^^ otm, the carbon freezing thing is what bugged me most about it. BUT given the setting of the show five years after ROTJ, I'm wondering if Boba Fett spent some time telling his bounty hunter buddies how convenient of a method it is before his untimely demise.
Also otm re excitement for IG-11 (iirc). That had me really excited and my 8 year-old nearly jumped off the floor with excitement ("IG-88! IG-88! IG-88!"). And I know it's boring to hear, but it does really make me feel far kinder to the franchise when I get to watch him geek out over it in unexpected ways.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 31 October 2019 18:10 (four years ago) link
― joygoat, Thursday, October 31, 2019 12:28 PM (fifty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
As an IG-88 fan with zero knowledge of non-film SW canon, might I direct you to the anthology of short stories entitled Tales of the Bounty Hunters, I think you will be pleased by elevation of a certain character's role in the franchise.
― Feed Me Wheat Thins (Old Lunch), Thursday, 31 October 2019 18:28 (four years ago) link
Seconded, that book was great. That's the very same story that made me an IG-88 fan.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 31 October 2019 18:36 (four years ago) link
IG-88 used to freak me out in the Dash Rendar N64 game
― jmm, Thursday, 31 October 2019 18:38 (four years ago) link
I think one of the worst things about Star Wars across the last 40 years has been the steady erosion of believability - as a kid (7 in ‘77) I absolutely felt these movies were glimpses of a larger world, and the idea that we would someday see e.g. the Clone Wars or the Mandalorian on TV would have blown my mind. Sometime around the prequels it devolved into eh, just some starwarsy shit someone made up. The expanded universe bullshit is a major player in that dilution. You could attribute it to me having better critical faculties at 49 than at 7 but I’m not sure you’d be right.
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 31 October 2019 18:38 (four years ago) link
Nah, I think it's a thing with all of this fun junk that gets endlessly spun out without ever really exceeding the bounds of its initial concept. Like I watched The Terminator last night, and it's great! And that's probably all we ever needed! Particularly when each additional iteration acts like the entire universe revolves around the Connor family and whatever robots they happen to be encountering in a given moment. There's a whole world beyond those two people, y'all.
― Feed Me Wheat Thins (Old Lunch), Thursday, 31 October 2019 18:44 (four years ago) link
I think the key selling point for carbonite cell was that, aside from presumably low maintenance costs, your captive is suspended with some pained expression ideal for crimelords to show off as a deterrent. It would be weird if throughout the SW Exp-U it had never been used on anyone but Solo, would be cool with seeing it in The Mandalorian.
― nashwan, Thursday, 31 October 2019 18:56 (four years ago) link
I think C3P0's comments implied that carbonite freezing was relatively safe and not uncommon, although without referring to bounty hunter captures
The Bespin industrial facility wasn't really set up for freezing people, though. Maybe gases?
― mh, Thursday, 31 October 2019 19:05 (four years ago) link
If it was a regular practice you'd think crimelords would get creative with it, maybe put their captives in like the Coppertone baby pose before hitting the freeze button, something super humiliating like that.
― Feed Me Wheat Thins (Old Lunch), Thursday, 31 October 2019 19:06 (four years ago) link
I'm wondering if Boba Fett spent some time telling his bounty hunter buddies how convenient of a method it is before his untimely demise.
I'm picturing him presenting a paper at a conference where like zuckuss calls him out for using too small of a sample size and storms out while a bunch of young bounty hunters start looking for vc funding and plan their ted talk about disrupting the bounty hunting business
― joygoat, Thursday, 31 October 2019 19:14 (four years ago) link
if that's what The Mandalorian is like i guess i'm signing up for D+
― weird ilx but sb (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 31 October 2019 20:09 (four years ago) link
I'm still planning on ditching verizon's overpriced phone service at some point, but apparently I might get D+ "free" with my plan for now? hrrm
― mh, Thursday, 31 October 2019 20:12 (four years ago) link
the Blank Check podcast's Patreon feed just did a commentary-track episode, where they watched Rogue One with one of the screenwriters, Chris Weitz. pretty interesting if you're into the behind-the-scenes of this stuff.... he doesn't drop any gossip bombshells, and he is polite and professional about his role as someone brought in to work on a project on which someone else had already done writing, and which in turn was passed on to other people after his tenure. but you get a lot of little things about directions he was taking the story, stuff he thought was cool and put in, etc. i'll share just one tidbit (for fear of undermining their patreon efforts) - - -in his draft, Kassian was an Imperial double-agent, who was initially with the group only because Saw Gerrera's extremist rebellion methods had led to the death of his wife (or his family... something like that). so his initial goal is just to get to Gerrera and get revenge. i liked hearing this because i always thought Gerrera's "too extreme" tactics were very vague, along with the whole rest of his role.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 23:09 (four years ago) link
Whitaker's bizarre performance vs Del Toro's annoying one in a nu-SW walk-on guest-off
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 23:17 (four years ago) link
Whitaker's all day.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 23:32 (four years ago) link
I'd rank Whitaker as the number 2 most off-putting element of nu-SW behind the blue milk thing
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 23:56 (four years ago) link
Saw Gerrera is a The Clone Wars deep cut, no?
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 23:57 (four years ago) link
Exactly
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 23 January 2020 00:05 (four years ago) link
I guess I need to get into clone wars
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 23 January 2020 00:31 (four years ago) link
in my mind's eye, whitaker was great. i also thought del toro was fun tbh. casting has for the most part not been an issue in these movies - their bigger problem is wasting great performances by leaving them on the cutting room floor.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 23 January 2020 00:42 (four years ago) link
rewatching Rogue One for at least the fourth time. Not much more you can say imo
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Sunday, 17 May 2020 02:35 (three years ago) link
Whittaker is the only misstep in this flick imo, otherwise the best nu-SW by a considerable distance
― justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 17 May 2020 03:35 (three years ago) link
It feels more like Star Wars in its own funky way than any of the others. There’s also some awesome shots!
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Sunday, 17 May 2020 03:54 (three years ago) link
I guess it’s all been covered itt
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Sunday, 17 May 2020 03:56 (three years ago) link
doesn't matter it's great and worth talking about again! I was kind of amazed at what a sausage factory the production was. Considering the mess behind the scenes they really pulled it together. The last 30 min are just killer.
― justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 17 May 2020 04:16 (three years ago) link
Totally agree with you. It's the only one that, for the most part, captured the classic SW feel. "Solo" feels like a big budget TV movie by comparison.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 17 May 2020 09:42 (three years ago) link
(from when such things as TV movies existed)
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 17 May 2020 09:43 (three years ago) link