Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

i have zero idea who bassnectar is but my assumption about any allegation against an EDM DJ is that the allegation is true.

Apparently it's rife at Burger Records, a label that seemed pretty cool.

https://consequenceofsound.net/2020/07/burger-record-artists-sexual-misconduct

there's a new thread for music business example, btw: rolling #metoo thread for sexual harassment in the music industry so no one misses out when artists we don't give a fuck about like Tim Westwood and Bassnectar get caught

https://www.thecut.com/2020/07/jennifer-eckhart-lawsuit-fox-news-ed-henry-accused-of-rape.html

Alexander Payne. You sat me down & played a soft-core porn movie you directed for Showtime under a different name. I still remember your apartment in Silverlake. You are very well-endowed. You left me on a street corner afterwards. I was 15. pic.twitter.com/mVqiN4S9NW

— Rose McGowan (@rosemcgowan) August 17, 2020

Yikes!!

horrifying

This fuckin guy

The suit included complaints that date back four decades, and some of the plaintiffs involved are minors. The filing also alleged that Nygard kept a “database of potential victims” — over 7,500 women and underage girls — on his company’s server.

The FBI had also reportedly investigated trafficking claims against Nygard in 2015 and 2017, according to the BBC.

https://www.thecut.com/2020/08/peter-nygard-sons-accuse-father-sex-trafficking.html

I completely missed that Jeffery Ross was accused by a woman; she's accused him periodically over the years dating back to 2006. He's pretty adamant she has mental health and drug issues.

That is a fairly dismissive framing of Megh Wright's reporting.

https://www.vulture.com/2020/08/jeff-ross-jessica-radtke-alleged-sexual-relationship-at-15.html

that story is paywalled so I only pulled the first thing i saw about it, from another story, which was a quick synopsis and his statement.

incognito mode / private window

Paywall Bypass for Chrome

oh yeah incognito worked for this (half the time it doesn't). thanks.

Powerpoint comic James Veitch: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/sarah-lawrence-alums-allege-rape-against-comedian-james-veitch

Big topic on the Sarah Lawrence alum pages today!

Long article on hotelier Andre Balasz Chateau Marmont property.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/rot-at-hollywoods-playground-chateau-marmont-staff-allege-racial-discrimination-sexual-misconduct-and-neglectful-management

Balazs, that is.

Powerpoint comic

There's a phrase I wish could wash from my brain.

Pretty much true for everybody though https://t.co/aT9FZNqrGb

— Jason IsBOO (@JasonIsbell) October 16, 2020

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Re: Ron Jeremy - how surprising that someone who describes the allegations as "buyers remorse" might turn out to actually be a rapist after all

― bob catley signature stage move (Matt #2), Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:55 AM

Ron Jeremy charged with an additional 3 counts of rape and four of sexual assault, on women aged 15 to 54, across 17 years.

they should throw on an extra charge for wearing his mask below his upper lip

Fashion Executive Peter Nygard Indicted on Sex Trafficking Charges

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/fashion-executive-peter-nygard-indictment-sex-trafficking-charges-1104615/

While we're at it, Gilbert Rozon, founder of Just for Laughs, was acquitted:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/gilbert-rozon-rape-trial-1.5842309

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-ugly-backstory-of-ben-shapiros-first-movie-run-hide-fight

https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-a-right-wing-movie-studio-enabled-the-harvey-weinstein-of-indie-film

Daily Wire is branching out into film distribution and the first movie they acquire comes from a company - Cinestate - that has multiple allegations of sexual assault and harassment swirling around it.

“Ride or die baby! I’m thrilled about this. You are a treasured colleague and an insane talent. So much to come! Looking forward to toasting,” wrote the assistant managing editor who oversees The New York Times’s audio report.

From Andy Mills' statement on leaving the New York Times under a cloud of misconduct allegations and the collapse of the key reporting in Caliphate.

We sorta missed talking about it in this thread a few months ago, but then again it bleeds over into wider religious hypocrisy as a result. But: evangelical leader who died last May turns out to be a nauseating abuser and probably worse:

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2021/february/ravi-zacharias-rzim-investigation-sexual-abuse-sexting-rape.html

Extensive, monstrous details about Shia LeBoeuf in this FKA twigs interview: https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/a35460385/fka-twigs-shia-la-beouf-abuse/

LaBeouf eventually pulled over at a gas station, and twigs attempted to remove her bags to escape, but the actor slammed her up against the car and tried to choke her again. Screaming in her face, he forced her back into the car.

Jacket, $1,790, turtleneck, $850, trousers, $1,090, Ralph Lauren Collection. Hoop earrings, Cartier, $3,900. Long antique pendant necklace, Bentley & Skinner.

welp
https://gothamist.com/news/i-came-work-nauseous-ex-cuomo-aide-says-governor-sexually-harassed-and-forcibly-kissed-her

Here's the source: https://medium.com/@lindseyboylan4NY/my-story-of-working-with-governor-cuomo-e664d4814b4e

D’Elia hit with a lawsuit for violating federal child pornography and child sexual exploitation laws soliciting more than 100 sexually explicit photos and videos from, and having sex with, a Jane Doe who was 17 years old

He went silent for months then only a few days ago posted a video which was a semi-contrite "acknowledging and changing my behaviour" thing but also a flat denial of anything illegal or non consensual.

That now looks like a preemptive response to this suit.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/pepe-le-pew-not-slated-for-future-warner-bros-television-projects

tbf the sexual-harassment skunk parody of Maurice Chevalier might be just a tad outdated no matter how you measure it

great news for the cancellation-take industry

why next they'll take Bosko and where will be then

It took watching a bunch of Chevalier musicals recently to a) realize Pepe Le Pew was meant as a parody of Chevalier and b) subsequently realize how tone deaf their parody of Chevalier was (as everyone was champing at the bit to knock boots with everyone else in those movies). The serial harassment angle was all W-B.

I thought Pepe was supposed to be based on Charles Boyer?

from the (surprisingly contentious!) wiki:

Jones wrote that Pepé was based (loosely) on the personality of his Termite Terrace colleague, writer Tedd Pierce, a self-styled "ladies' man" who reportedly always assumed that his infatuations were reciprocated. In a short documentary film, Chuck Jones: Memories of Childhood, Jones told an interviewer (perhaps jokingly) that Pepé was actually based on himself, except that he was very shy with girls.

A prototype of Pepé appeared in 1947's Bugs Bunny Rides Again, but sounded similar to Porky Pig. When the character of Pepé was more fully developed for cartoons of his own, Mel Blanc based Pepé's voice on Charles Boyer's Pépé le Moko from Algiers (1938), a remake of the 1937 French film Pépé le Moko. Blanc's voice for the character closely resembled a voice he had used for "Professor Le Blanc", a harried violin instructor on The Jack Benny Program. There have also been theories that Pepé's voice was based on singer Maurice Chevalier.

Pepé's reputation suffered in later years. Comedian Dave Chappelle, in his 2000 stand-up film Killin' Them Softly, called him a rapist.

In October 2010, it was reported that Mike Myers would voice Pepé Le Pew in a feature-length live action film based on the character, although no information about this project has surfaced since. In July 2016, it was revealed at San Diego Comic-Con that Max Landis was penning a Pepé Le Pew feature film for Warner Bros. There has no new information since then due to sexual assault allegations against Landis in 2017.

a live-action Pepé Le Pew movie

at last

a more accurate parody might have had Pepé in a complex and possibly compromising relationship with the Vichy regime led by Elmer Fudd.

xp: I wonder if he was going to repurpose his Cat in the Hat costume

a max landis-scripted pepe movie starring mike myers....one hell of a bullet we dodged there

would have been better with Louis CK

I was aware of all the hoopla around Dr. Seuss and knew it was more fabricated culture war bullshit, but it wasn't until those clips on Last Week Tonight that I knew just how insidious and flat out untruthful they were being about it.

I know I know, hardly a fresh insight at this point, but my god, the brainrot that must set in being subjected to that bullshit 24-7. Imagine being a patient somewhere or working at a reception desk where you forced to have that pumped in against your will.

tbrr i am offended that this puritanical culture refuses to recognize this dr seuss classic and keep it in print for children everywhere
http://imgur.com/opKVHQy

http://i.imgur.com/opKVHQy.png

Thread revivals always get my hopes up that one of the Weinsteins died.

Be Do the change you want to see in the world.

mods!

I am excited for the moment when conservatives start demanding Shel Silverstein's playboy cartoons be shown to children

Director Richard Stanley: his former partner has made a long blog post after learning another woman has filed charges.

https://sharedhallucination.blogspot.com/2021/03/777-truth-will-out.html (cw: violence & other abuse)

I’m sorry I wasn’t brave enough to speak up at the time. And to hear he has kept on abusing other women, physically, emotionally, sexually, financially and spiritually, kills me. I had been living in such a toxic environment for so long that once free I felt small and powerless--damaged and tainted. I suffered intense nightmares, PTSD, and literally could not get my shit together. All I could do was write for the first many months. Write and write until the poison was out of my veins. Then, I started to piece my life back together.

I cannot believe the magnitude of destruction Richard has left in his wake and managed to conceal. And not so cleverly I might add. The party line when I finally left him in 2014 was that if I hadn’t been so ‘crazy’ and if he was with another woman who was less ‘crazy’ he would cease to act in such a way--that I drove him to it. This is what he told people and they believed him. And yet, as numerous women come forward, all with shockingly similar stories to mine, it’s pretty clear that his patterns are well established and they stem from his own seriously dangerous anger management issues. He is a serial predator par excellence. I am not perfect, but in no way did I deserve the shit that he did to me for so many fucking years.

SpectreVision, the distributor of his comeback film early this year, will be donating future revenue from the project to DV charities.

Arrow Films have noted "our planned Hardware and Dust Devil Blu-rays are as cancelled as he is."

(A producer for Arrow has etc.)

Weak

what

dunno if this is what Whiney meant but I assumed he was referring to a distribution company seizing the opportunity to seem hip and with it by punning on cancelling someone when the triggering event is people disclosing traumatizing abuse and harassment (if that's what he meant, i agree)

I'm just saying it sucks that Stanley is dunzo, I liked his stuff

LS - that's why I reflected and clarified that it was just one dude personally saying that, not the company making a formal statement.

Personally I think it sucks worse that Stanley abused, terrorised, assaulted and injured multiple women for years than that the only feature production company to fund him in the last 29 years won't work with him again because of him abusing, terrorising, assaulting and injuring multiple women.

good to know, man, thanks!

Anyway,

https://variety.com/2021/biz/news/armie-hammer-rape-allegation-effie-woman-victim-1234933830/

sic otm

I wasn’t trying to rank which is worse

Sorry, if I was glib, I was just reacting to “guy I like is cancelled.” I haven’t read the allegations yet but it’s a good bet they’re terrible

he was mad as a cut snake already so partly i am not surprised? but also simultaneously horrified

i liked some of his stuff but that really doesnt matter ughhh jesus christ

Maybe read them before declaring that it's "weak" of people to think that they're bad, idk

yikes, yes, read her whole post, it's really terrible. I'm glad I saw Color Out of Space before this so at least I enjoyed it when I saw it; no interest in watching his work now really.

Maybe read them before declaring that it's "weak" of people to think that they're bad, idk

“cinnamon toast shrimp guy is married to Topanga and also a serial abuser who has physically and sexually assaulted multiple women” is quite the plot twist! disappointed but not surprised! anyway

— abby govindan (@abbygov) March 24, 2021

That is confusing and perplexing. Who is it even about?

Jensen Karp

who like has had a whole career separate from tweeting about shrimp and being married to Topanga but I guess his big breakthrough was the shrimp thing?

I thought “married to Topanga” meant he really loved Topanga the place, but it’s a Boy meets World character hello I am your elderly aunt

anyway

Seriously, who the fuck is Jensen Karp? Is this like when Black people talk about Morris Chestnut?

He had a podcast?

So… yes

He also runs this art gallery or used to

https://nineteeneightyeight.com/pages/current-west

white people in north america should not be allowed to name their own children

What’s the window on caring about Boy Meets World or drama involving anyone from it - people born 1983 to 1987?

Dan, buckle up:

Ummmm @CTCSquares - why are there shrimp tails in my cereal? (This is not a bit) pic.twitter.com/tTjiAdrnVp

— Jensen Karp (@JensenKarp) March 22, 2021

and then this
https://twitter.com/search?q=milkshake%20duck

i kinda feel like this is something whiney would be talking about

that first hot karl explainer video is a perfect storm of 2000s horribleness

What’s the window on caring about Boy Meets World or drama involving anyone from it - people born 1983 to 1987?

I think goes into the '90s. Seems like I know a bunch of younger millennials who went apeshit when it hit streaming.

Of course, the weirdest thing about the show is that Maitland Ward (the secondary actress in later episodes) has become a pretty huge porn star.

What’s the window on caring about Boy Meets World or drama involving anyone from it - people born 1983 to 1987?

Not to be Capn-Save-a-General-Mills but like...what plant is processing cereal and shrimp at the same time?

I was thinking disgruntled worker at first, but the company claims those "shrimp tails" are actually just clumps of the coating that formed in the manufacturing process. Looking at the picture again I can believe this.

oh shit

UPDATE: we killed the shrimp guy. He was blended and is now in every box of Cinnamon Toast Crunch

— Cinmamon Toast Crunch (@holyduck) March 24, 2021

does this mean that, at the end, he had a blended haircut

lol, but I only saw this after buying a box of Cinnamon Toast Crunch Churros on sale at Walgreen's. I have no idea who those people are either ... though I had heard of the gallery and in my mind it is somewhere in the historical progression from high art to NFTs

In light of the reporting on Scott Rudin, I am thinking a lot about this interview I did in 2017 with Steven Soderbergh. In it, he said that when he talks to students, part of the discussion is about running a humane set. https://t.co/eto1u8pqc0 pic.twitter.com/HjpVOLPsTS

— MZS (@mattzollerseitz) April 10, 2021

Scott Rudin story (huge temper, volatile, no sexual harassment, classic “lol Ari Gold” material):

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/everyone-just-knows-hes-an-absolute-monster-scott-rudins-ex-staffers-speak-out-on-abusive-behavior

I mean, fkn SPY reported on Rudin 30 years ago. This is not a breaking story.

disclaimer: back in the 90s I worked briefly in the offices of both Rudin and equally famed bully Lynda 0bst. Good times. It was no secret.

The THR article cites several other reported pieces, as well as the 1994 film Swimming With Sharks. It is not pretending to break the story.

I mean, fkn SPY reported on Rudin 30 years ago. This is not a breaking story.

Neither was Weinstein having a rep.

I just saw somewhere that the Weinstein-inspired Law & Orderverse ep w/Jeff Garlin as HW is over 10 years old.

love the 'oh, this is news to you? *i* always knew better' response

go on. I’d love to know what the story is here beyond “known asshole remains asshole.”

is it that the industry still tolerates all sorts of cruelty? is it that the streaming revolution has shaken up previous hierarchies sufficiently that people feel more empowered to speak out? is it that a new generation is coming up that might do things differently? is it that Rudin’s weak enough now that this can be said out loud in the trades?

MZS tweet says more than the THR piece does.

so i guess you were there first? and did nothing? kudos?

If any reporter or screenwriter ever writes about humans, corporations or governments doing bad things, nobody must ever report on those subjects again, especially if they continue to do the same bad things for decades

not going to bother responding seriously.

Followup piece on Rudin:

https://www.vulture.com/2021/04/scott-rudin-abusive-behavior-allegations-career.html

Looks like Jackman did have a word: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/17/theater/scott-rudin-steps-away-from-broadway.html

(sourced from the slightly less sceptical)

"Why Some Hollywood Execs Are Hoping for Scott Rudin to Return":

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/scott-rudin-claims-some-execs-are-hoping-for-scott-rudin-to-return

33 Rudin assistants interviewed:

https://www.vulture.com/2021/04/scott-rudin-as-told-by-his-assistants.html

Meanwhile at Jake Paul's influencer "collab house," bullying, wage theft, racist abuse and sexual assault:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/22/style/jake-paul-team-10.html

lol at scott-rudin-claims-some-execs-are-hoping-for-scott-rudin-to-return

"Some Execs Are Rudiner Than Others"

why ya gotta be so Rudin

some execs' mothers are Rudiner other execs' mothers

Chabon lengthily acknowledging his two-decade complicity:

https://michaelchabon.medium.com/apology-of-a-rudin-apologist-85bec4879119

English actor, writer/director and producer Noel Clarke thoroughly #MeToo-ed in the Guardian, with 20 accusers so far, and comments suggesting this is the tip of an iceberg. His and his lawyers' statements to the paper, and phone calls to women they suspected of being sources, are flashing neon signs, too.

More anecdotes and statements about Clarke have continued to come out, such as this from the London School Of Dramatic Art.

can we not use “#me-tooed” when the article doesn’t say that, and it’s used as a shorthand by conservative pundits as a way to say “this person is a victim of mob action and he probably did nothing wrong”?

sorry, you said “#metoo-ed”

I still think of it as a righteous reckoning, apologies if anyone reading has converted to reading it otherwise.

(I'm personally inclined to not surrender useful language to those who deliberately try and divert it - it's certainly easy to tell when people are using "woke" sincerely, vs gammons steaming their hamheads about "wokery" and "gwgb" - but will be cautious around that one.)

fwiw, i also read "me-too'd" as shorthand for "Caught" and not much else

(The fact that so many women were able to say "me too" when told that others had spoken to the reporters, and more did so in response to the article about the first 20 dropping, supported the value of the phrase imo)

can we not use “#me-tooed” when the article doesn’t say that, and it’s used as a shorthand by conservative pundits as a way to say “this person is a victim of mob action and he probably did nothing wrong”?

I think it's probably tactically useful to tie it to "remember that time when we decided this wasn't okay (and that time a bit later when we remembered that we decided that again)" - I agree it's not useful to over-consider conservative media's smearing of terms (or there'd be no BLM or Antifa).

the hashtag as a verb is best avoided unless you want to sound like kanye

Mh’s explanation is useful, but I’d add to it. The term puts the focus on the person being accused and inverts the actors and victims in a really perverse way, to the point that it flattens out the actual happening(s) and the pain caused by it(people talking about what has happened to them) to this very cynical sort of “so and so got targeted by these accusations”. It’s a really unhelpful term at best and I’d encourage those of you determined to use it who you think you’re doing it for.

*to ask who you think, gah

I'd see the focus being switched to the accused as a good thing though, it takes it as read that there's a preponderance of accounts against him and short-circuits any he-said-she-said.

I mean, I'll be happy if and when it gets to the point where a single accuser has more weight than the accused, but the power imbalance in the stories itt suggests that'll take more than parity.

Four women sexually harassed and bullied by Clarke on the set of Dr Who, before he began writing/directing/producing, have also given accounts to the Guuardian. His legal responses continue to be persuasive.

...another former runner on Doctor Who alleges Clarke sexually harassed her and another female coworker in a bar at the Holland House Hotel in the mid-2000s in Cardiff, following a work event. When the women rejected Clarke’s advances, she alleges, he became “rude” and “aggressive”. The following day, she said Clarke spread false rumours about both women on set.

Clarke strongly denied the allegation. His lawyers said there would have been no real need or purpose for him to be in the hotel bar because he does not drink.

I really fucking hate this. Dude was set up to be the fucking Golden Child and he wiped his ass all over the opportunity.

DJP otm

disgusting entitled toxic bullshit

when these are the "further reading" headlines about you in one week

https://i.imgur.com/bvd3fXv.jpg

your best move is probably to respond to an ex's accusation of “abusive, manipulative, and predatory” behaviour with instagram posts saying things like "do you know what’s ‘predatory behaviour’? When we were having a fuckin’ threesome with your fuckin’ weird mate from the fuckin’ bar and I was having a fuckin’ diarrhea shit on the toilet and you were trying to kick the fuckin’ door in to fuckin’ sit on my dick." and "I’m confused as to where the predatory thing is coming from. What even is the accusation?… If it’s the predatory thing, it’s false. Also, I was 29 at the time. What’s the problem with trying to find a 19-year-old?"

There has been a mini reckoning with harassment/discrimination in the beer industry in the last week. A female brewer began soliciting stories from women and POC of issues they have faced working in the industry and started receiving an avalanche of stories related mostly through Instagram. Specific bad actors were named and shit popped off:

https://www.goodbeerhunting.com/sightlines/2021/5/18/beer-industry-allegations-legal-vulnerability

wasn't sure whether to put this here or in the "shit that looks like an onion article" thread

Kevin Spacey ‘to play sex abuse investigator’ in acting comeback https://t.co/jdyLttrySq

— The Independent (@Independent) May 24, 2021

.....

Given how #metoo was received in Italy, I can't say I'm surprised.

Is this the movie/metoo thread? This is tangential, but interesting:

Does my name belong to me? My face? What about my life? My story? Why does my name refer to events I had no hand in? I return to these questions because others continue to profit off my name, face, & story without my consent. Most recently, the film #STILLWATER.

/ a thread

— Amanda Knox (@amandaknox) July 29, 2021

Nice how she gets a plug in for her podcast there

cmon she has been through total hell and then some -- for some movie to use her story and publicize it with her name without her consent is gross and very wrong imo

I think I’d have more sympathy if she hadn’t falsely accused her (black) boss at the bar she worked at of being the murderer.. and making up details to support that story. It completely wrecked the guy’s life. She was convicted of that. Is that “morally vile”? I’m going to say yes. But Patrick Lumumba doesn’t have a podcast and doesn’t do “threads”.. so who tells that story (and does Knox get final sign-off??)

I guess I forgot about that part. I can’t help but have some sympathy for her even though she’s clearly some variety of asshole.

Was this the accusation that was after days of abusive interrogation without a lawyer and that was basically concocted by the police themselves?

Hoo boy

Do enlighten me! I didn't think "it's the police who are the bad guys" was such a hot take but I'm happy to be proved wrong.

At this point we should probably create a bot that ingests all of truejustice.org and a bot that ingests all of amandaknox.com and have them collaborate on a DLC of Ace Attorney

I can’t imagine what it’s like to be her, or Monica Lewinsky, or anybody else “embroiled” in a huge public scandal. But I think people do get to make movies about your story, or based on your story, without asking your blessing probably.

Legally speaking, I think Knox has become a "public figure" and therefore has no enforceable claim over the publicly available details of her story, including use of her name, so long as it is not implied she has approved of or endorsed its use. Her only valid claim is confined to the ethics of the situation. If the film makers didn't even reach out to seek her opinion about the script, it's kind of shitty of them.

Why would they need her opinion on their script?

It's a courtesy, not a "need". If she objected to some aspect that wasn't vital to the story, they could alter it easily enough. When you're dropping $100 million on a film project where every detail is scrutinized from every angle, it's not hard to include that step.

xpost They don't, but in her epic thread she quotes a story that claims McCarthy said he "couldn’t help but imagine how it would feel to be in Knox’s shoes" and asked "Who are the people that are visiting (her), and what are those relationships? Like, what’s the story around the story?” And she's basically saying, dude, I'm right here, you could have asked me rather than just riffing on my life. It's kind of like that crazy Cat Person tale: a ton of very specific stuff was lifted directly from this stranger's life, but a bunch of stuff was totally made up, too.

I assume this movie has the usual disclaimer "The story, all names, characters, and incidents portrayed in this production are fictitious. No identification with actual persons (living or deceased), places, buildings, and products is intended or should be inferred," but that's weird if the writer/director said he started the movie with Knox in mind but then didn't contact her and ask her for permission. Is that disclaimer not on biopics and projects that *are* based on persons, living or deceased?

This just strikes me as a ‘ripped from the headlines’ Law and Order type deal where I sincerely doubt the writers did a lot of calling up of the fictionally portrayed people

Theatrical release films spend a lot more time in pre-production than that kind of television episode.

New Tao Lin novel came out today, and probably a revival of his likely past abuses will follow.

suddenly tao lin is everywhere again, including granta. once again the publishing industry/literary world is happy to ignore credible accounts of his abuse

— charlotte geater (@tambourine) July 29, 2021

The difference is now there’s not enough ilxors left to get a clusterfuck going about whether his books are good I guess

https://www.thedailybeast.com/saturday-night-live-alum-horatio-sanz-groomed-assaulted-17-year-old-fan-lawsuit-alleges

My first thought was “maybe they’ll drop the very annoying closing up the plug bag theme bit on comedy bang bang”

Bob Dylan sued for allegedly grooming, sexually abusing 12-year-old girl in 1965

This is a complicated situation, defined as grooming but with no sexual intent, that will probably create more definitive boundaries between performers and younger fans.

In light of the allegations against Alice Ripley, a conversation about interactions between theatre artists and fans has erupted online.

But there are aspects to this story that many seem to be missing, especially within the theatre communities.

— OnStage Blog (@OnstageBlog) August 24, 2021

I love Alice Ripley. this is rough :(

spend any time on social media following any kind of celebrity and the mental instability of lots of young people who interact with those celebrities will make you shudder. This is probably more pronounced these days with legions of weirdo 'stans' who frankly should be jettisoned into the sun; but even back then, from what I just read, Ripley should have known better and not engaged.

Alice Ripley seems to have exercised very bad judgment and relished the attention of these young “fans,” but “grooming without sexual intent” seems like a weird charge

I’m glad the victims came forward though. This is a more ambiguous type of abuse but one that is probably common.

i've been following the story and that was a really interesting article that helped clarify a lot of questions I had.

Alice Ripley seems to have exercised very bad judgment and relished the attention of these young “fans,” but “grooming without sexual intent” seems like a weird charge

― treeship., Wednesday, 25 August 2021 00:52 (eleven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

In the initial accusations against Ripley, she was accused of grooming, which is a term commonly used for manipulative behaviors that abusers use to gain access to a potential victim, coerce them to agree to the abuse, and reduce the risk of being caught.

I think this makes sense as a definition of grooming that doesn't necessarily have to include sexual intent, it could cover e.g. getting someone to keep stolen goods in their home, or lend large sums of money - there is an ulterior motive to the efforts to form an emotional relationship, and the motive is to get the other person to do something damaging to themselves that they wouldn't otherwise be willing to do - but I don't think the article really makes a good case that this is what's happening in this situation?

Did Alice Ripley allegedly groom these young people in hopes of sexually abusing them? It doesn’t appear that way. Did she apparently use the tool of grooming for other purposes with these fans? That’s an entirely different discussion.

what exactly are the "other purposes" that Ripley was allegedly using the tool of grooming for? what was her ulterior motive? the article implies that she formed these relationships with fans to gratify her ego, but that seems hazy as a justification for calling it grooming. In the definition above the 'abuse' is delineated as something distinct from the 'grooming', the grooming is to facilitate the abuse, but in this case it seems like the accusers are arguing that what they call the grooming was in itself 'abusive'?

Yeah “grooming” might be the wrong word. It sounds like she might be emotionally immature and talked to these kids as if they were her peers. I can definitely see how they felt violated by this as she was ignoring boundaries.

the article makes it pretty clear that she would unceremoniously 'dump' them after long, emotionally intimate relationships. imo both the emotionally intimate relationships and the dumping are abuses of the power she holds as an adult over children ffs.

and when i say abuses i mean like, proper, full-on emotional damage that it could take years to recover from

Yeah as I said earlier it is a kind of abuse—just one we haven’t seen discussed much in the metoo era.

play whatever sick ego games you want with other adults - though you probably shouldn't! - but imagining my, i dunno 13-y-o as having identity questions and then latching onto a revered celebrity who actually texts them and invites them over, it's unthinkable really

Ugh

finished the Daily Beast article just now, seems pretty clear that Ripley is not being truthful in her denial that she only met fans briefly at the stage door or very occasionally had dinners with them, when DB has seen photos of her with one of these women in San Diego and SF (the woman lived in NYC). I was thinking about what kind of pathology made sense of this and decided that Ripley just sounds like a terrible person, no pathology needed.

Ron Jeremy indicted on 34 counts of sexual assault.

Seems like this should spark a reckoning with the porn industry. There are massive abuses there but people don’t like to think about it.

Rose McGowan has gone over the edge

Larry Elder presser with Rose McGowan kicking off now pic.twitter.com/Hae9zUeogH

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) September 12, 2021

Yeah I shared that in the monthly politics thread yesterday, so unexpected. So her argument seems to be that too many Democrats ignored her claims and accusations (which is totally in the realm of possibility) that she has no choice but to now be a Republican and stump for mini-Trumps that have been credibly accused of sexual harassment?

*sigh*

https://www.pastemagazine.com/comedy/saturday-night-live/horatio-sanz-sexual-assault-snl/?fbclid=IwAR0LhQwYtBmr9RqkiQOQfXfpYjzbdigW96AFg4Ii4rlriTE0fxYKZbyLYjA

https://www.pastemagazine.com/comedy/saturday-night-live/horatio-sanz-sexual-assault-snl/

Sorry
https://www.pastemagazine.com/comedy/saturday-night-live/horatio-sanz-sexual-assault-snl/

Never mind. Just trying to remove the fbclid. Don't know why it didn't work.

ugh gross

it's not including the slash in your link for some reason

In addition to Michaels, Shoemaker, and Fallon, the potential cast members around to witness Sanz’s conduct would have included Will Ferrell, Ana Gasteyer, Darrell Hammond, Chris Kattan, Tracy Morgan, Chris Parnell, Molly Shannon, Rachel Dratch, Tina Fey, Jerry Minor, Maya Rudolph, Amy Poehler, Dean Edwards, Seth Meyers, and Jeff Richards.

lmao

Now I’m reading this in Don Pardo’s voice always

Reading everything in Don Pardo’s voice = people who have figured out how to live

well everything appears to be back to normal

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/18/nyregion/christopher-belter-rape-sentence.html

nothing much seemed to happen with that horatio sanz story, did it? maybe because he's frankly not famous enough to suffer a real career impact at this point.

silby's wish came true, at least.

Noted Harvey lookalike Jeff Garlin leaves The Goldbergs after complaints about on-set behavior.

https://deadline.com/2021/12/jeff-garlin-exit-the-goldbergs-hr-investigations-season-9-1234892030/?

In his VF interview, Garlin dismissed accusations of being verbally offensive by saying that he is just being “silly” as part of his shtick as a comedian. He did note his penchant for dropping the word “vagina” on the set.

According to a source on the show, a camera assistant made a complaint to her department head about Garlin’s use of the word. After the actor found out, he reportedly put his hands around her and kept saying “vagina” in her face over and over again. Overall, Garlin’s go-to jokes that a number of people on the show found offensive were talking about grandma’s vagina, balls and brassier, a co-worker said. Additionally, he would not address some longtime female crew members by name, using instead nicknames that some also considered offensive.

It's pretty weird that the writer said "balls" without quotes

grandma's balls
used to hand me
piece of candy

he was talking about whose grandma? his?

Grandma’s balls got run over by a reindeer

that show is so fucking terrible, maybe it was his negative abusive behavior to blame all along

how does one explain the steady solidity of Curb then?

Chris Noth

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/chris-noth-accused-of-sexual-assault-1235063596/

Saw some discussion of how a general accusation of "sexual assault" allows for some weaselly wiggle room. What Noth is being accused of is outright violent *rape.*

New accusations against Bryan Singer.

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/bryan-singer-blake-stuerman-1235136986/

no charges were ever brought against toback????

yes all my posts today are based on real names disallowed by the Spelling Bee

Sion Sono

https://deadline.com/2022/04/japanese-director-sion-sono-accused-of-sexual-harassment-1234994873/

Cary Fukunaga

Acclaimed Director Cary Fukunaga Accused of Grooming Young Women for Sex https://t.co/86h9z8eUZR pic.twitter.com/HtdPhEZ8Lk

— Jezebel (@Jezebel) May 9, 2022

(important to note that accusers here are all of legal age, there isn't much I would actually call 'abuse' here, and I also assume all people in Hollywood behave this way)

The parents of an 18-year-old from North Dakota have obtained a protective order against “The Flash” star Ezra Miller.

But the teen’s parents and law enforcement are having a hard time locating Miller to serve the actor with the order. https://t.co/B89xAGTEGx

— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) June 10, 2022

Presumably in restraints somewhere on the Warner Brothers lot.

for a while this spring all you had to do if you were looking for e. miller was camp out at my local a few nights until the flash showed up to try and fight you. haven’t had any encounters in the past month or two but have heard a lot of grim gossip about this relationship— a small and sad part of what’s lately felt like an accelerated wiring of this island into the international lawless playboy circuit. (for the state more broadly, of course, it’s always been a specialty.)

Paul Haggis accused again, and held in Italy.

https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-news/paul-haggis-arrest-italy-sexual-assault-charges-1370822/

Scrubs Co-Executive Producer Arrested For Alleged Serial Sexual Assaults

https://laist.com/news/criminal-justice/eric-weinberg-scrubs-arrested-serial-sexual-assaults-rape-californication

Dan Price

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/18/technology/dan-price-resign-social-media.html

I'd heard the grumblings about him abusing his ex wife but bloody hell.

I never really thought about using good works/good social media prescence as a smokescreen, but its clearly an effective one.

it’s as old as the road to Savile

sadly the guy who started cult baseball comedy comic The Dugout did the same thing, white knighted all over social media but turned out to be an absolute creep

the dan price thing is irritating as fuck because there was a goddamned BLOOMBERG story about him waterboarding his ex that dropped BEFORE her TED talk was due to be posted (the one Price got nuked).

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2015-gravity-ceo-dan-price/

I read this when it was published and assumed he was toast going forward; not only was there that, but he was in weird legal disputes with his brother, I worked in the ecommerce space and no one took his payments company seriously, and it's been revealed they don't really do any development, they simply sell access to another software system. So the company is/was BS, their CEO an obvious grandstanding asshole, and the abuse allegations. And yet he's consistently been all over twitter and linkedin, constantly having his shit shared by people who you'd think would know better and who I guess were terminally incurious, because if you googled his name it was really not very hard to come across that story. I'm glad the NYT writer pointed out that the Times itself refused to investigate him in the past.

yeah i'm paywalled from that but there was already so much crazy shit about that guy that was already out there. and any time someone would bring up any of it on twitter or reddit they would get absolutely buried in hate, denial, victim blaming. all this guy does is post left-leaning tweets that could've been generated by AI and he had a million people ready to go to war for him.

I'm mad at myself for falling for this nonsense

But fuck, the media knew who he was before the pay hike and let him control his own narrative anyway

The worst part of it all is, there SHOULD be more CEOs doing what he did, taking massive paycuts and giving staff pay rises. People want this. But now it'll just give the right ammunition about sleazy leftist cheaters etc etc

There seems to be a slew of this shit on twitter though - "jojofromjerz" and that Teidrich guy who are constantly posting ra ra pro left stuff and I'm starting to wonder if theyre just shillbots.

Did Jeff Tiedrich or whatever his name is get busted doing something? I had to unfriend someone who was spamming screen caps of every one of his tweets during the Trump years.

The worst part of it all is, there SHOULD be more CEOs doing what he did, taking massive paycuts and giving staff pay rises. People want this. But now it'll just give the right ammunition about sleazy leftist cheaters etc etc

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, August 19, 2022 8:37 PM bookmarkflaglink

I was thinking exactly this earlier

Teidrich just backed off after Trump was out; he was unbearable for a long time but he also eventually seemed to realize how unbearable he was getting. I did mute him though.

jojofromjerz: I can't fucking stand this lady, shillbot is right though she appears to be an actual person (like Teidrich); I just can't believe they have the time to sit around and think of dumb pithy liberal responses to every single conservative post.

Did Jeff Tiedrich or whatever his name is get busted doing something?

Is looking like Eric Clapton a crime?

no, but being Eric Clapton is a misdemeanor or a felony, depending on what state you live in.

It’s such an insidious use of plausible deniability/“but he seems like a good guy”/“he has always been cool to me” type situation. Insidious!! What a menace. Glad he is fully outed.

I can understand why we in the general public were eager to lap up the story uncritically. it was a feel-good story that progressive folk wanted to believe in, which is why I got suckered in. but the media was still writing what basically sounded like press releases for the fuckin' guy up until recently, ffs. like this one from last year: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dan-price-gravity-payments-ceo-70000-employee-minimum-wage/

Milkshake Duck strikes again.

It’s such an insidious use of plausible deniability/“but he seems like a good guy”/“he has always been cool to me” type situation

I'm reminded suddenly of a woman I used to work with a very long time ago, who I bumped into at a gig about 5 years after I'd left that job. She told me she'd basically been hounded into leaving because she was sexually assaulted by the office nice/popular guy, and because he was the nicest, helpful Mr Regular, NOBODY believed her and everyone accused her of making it up, until she had to resign from the harrasment.

Yes exactly. I would bet actual money that the pervasive feeling that people don’t believe her has stuck and will never go away. The assault/harassment is obviously damaging but the gaslighting leaves a deep scar too.
To exploit that in order to keep assaulting people like this guy did? I have no more words.

https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/the-goldbergs-jeff-garlin-killed-off-1235354528/

10 seasons!

Somebody somewhere is already working on their doctoral thesis about how a mass audience 'sees' the 80s in America through the lens of this show, Stranger Things and The Americans.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/anna-faris-reveals-director-sexually-155003460.html

she's talking about Ivan Reitman here, i'm almost 100% certain

― nomar, Wednesday, October 25, 2017 2:01 PM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink

You were right.

https://deadline.com/2022/10/anna-faris-ivan-reitman-director-slapped-ass-set-my-super-ex-girlfriend-1235148740/

Thompson also told jurors Weinstein has “unique things about his body” that most victims will describe, referring to Weinstein genitalia.

“What I’m referring to is the result of a surgery that the defendant had in 1999. That surgery caused pretty noticeable scarring, and you’ll see the pictures,” Thompson said. “Because of an infection, his testicles were actually taken from his scrotum and put into his inner thighs.”

Thread Delivers

DA' Inner Thigh Y'all

srsly guys

I thought this bump may have been about the depressing outcome of Anthony Rapp’s lawsuit against Kevin Spacey

i just wish they could drag spacey to the bottom of the ocean, it makes me so sad for ppl like Rapp that he still gets to walk around and charm juries

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/kevin-spacey-anthony-rapp-loses-40-million-sexual-battery-lawsuit-1235410119/

Thought She Said was good. Very straightforward account, but I liked it better than Spotlight. I think not knowing Carey Mulligan well, and not knowing Zoe Kazan at all (though I did see The Deuce) was an advantage; I was always aware of the performers with Spotlight. Almost put this in the Trump films thread--the story begins with him, and the actor who plays him on a phone call is very convincing--but then remembered this one. All the victims are very good, ditto Weinstein's lawyer. Best filmmaking was a tracking shot down an empty hotel hallway as a recording played, authentic enough that I initially thought it was real, but presumably it can't be.

Very much, of course, a descendent of All the President's Men, another celebration of the intrepid investigative journalist. (Will such films die forever in the next few years because they simply won't make sense anymore?) I wish they had paid explicit homage to Jason Robards at some point by having Patricia Clarkson--the ultimate in a supportive, even-tempered, perfect editor--lose her cool and growl, "Goddamn it, when is somebody going to go on the record for this story?!"

Just read a review, and apparently that is Weinstein's voice in the hallway scene I mentioned...He taped his encounters?

I guess the more obvious explanation is that the woman taped it.

it was widely/publicly known that she taped it -- and he still denied it!! god he is such an infected sore of a human being.

Didn't know that--it really is spooky the way they incorporate the tape (the shot almost evokes The Shining).

Whether you've seen the film or not, why was Weinstein so obsessed with whether or not Gwyneth Paltrow in particular talked to the Times?

Not getting Jeff Garlin to play Weinstein was such a missed opp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb2He8uQfDs

jeff garlin apparently has his own issues

haha yeah garlin was famously fired from his tv series in the past year for allegations

The way they do visually bring Weinstein into the film--I won't say--is effective.

Not at all insinuating anything about Scorsese--just about the least likely Weinstein in the industry, I'd say--but it's funny how they handle it when his name pops up in the film.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/30/entertainment/danny-masterson-mistrial/index.html

Was reading the Havana Syndrome article and saw this:

MoMA Trustee Leon Black Faces Second Rape Allegation

https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/leon-black-second-rape-allegation-1234648737/

clemenza at 2:52 28 Nov 22

Thought She Said was good. Very straightforward account, but I liked it better than Spotlight. I think not knowing Carey Mulligan well, and not knowing Zoe Kazan at all (though I did see The Deuce) was an advantage; I was always aware of the performers with Spotlight. Almost put this in the Trump films thread--the story begins with him, and the actor who plays him on a phone call is very convincing--but then remembered this one. All the victims are very good, ditto Weinstein's lawyer. Best filmmaking was a tracking shot down an empty hotel hallway as a recording played, authentic enough that I initially thought it was real, but presumably it can't be.

Very much, of course, a descendent of All the President's Men, another celebration of the intrepid investigative journalist. (Will such films die forever in the next few years because they simply won't make sense anymore?) I wish they had paid explicit homage to Jason Robards at some point by having Patricia Clarkson--the ultimate in a supportive, even-tempered, perfect editor--lose her cool and growl, "Goddamn it, when is somebody going to go on the record for this story?!"

Until a friend pointed it out yesterday, I didn't know Zoe Kazan was Elia's granddaughter (by his first wife, not Barbara Loden) and Nicholas Kazan's daughter.

She's actually currently adapting East of Eden as a miniseries. (Elia directed the 1955 movie.)

All the victims are very good, ditto Weinstein's lawyer.

Saw She Said again; I missed that Weinstein's lawyer was Clinton flunky Lanny Davis. (They say "Lanny" six million times, but his surname only once or twice.) He used to drive me around the bend, especially in 2008, when he was the last person in the world to accept that Hillary wasn't going to win the nomination.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/steven-tyler-sexual-assault-minor-lawsuit-1234653817/

oh, it's the woman from the first paragraph here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Tyler#Family_and_relationships

Seems bad

And she has become some kind of anti-choice advocate, which I am struggling not to use as mitigation for Tyler’s fucked up behavior (because it isn’t relevant)

Relevant in as far as his fucked up behavior probably contributed to any fucked up worldviews she ended up with about relationships, sex, kids etc.

Julia Holcomb's story is a big part of the documentary Look Away (along with Kari Krome and Jackie Fuchs). I hope she wins this.

Relevant in as far as his fucked up behavior probably contributed to any fucked up worldviews she ended up with about relationships, sex, kids etc.

This is a good point

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/romeo-and-juliet-child-abuse-nude-scene-lawsuit-1235477837/

The suit alleges that Zeffirelli — who died in 2019 — assured both actors that there would be no nudity in the film, and that they would wear flesh-colored undergarments in the bedroom scene. But in the final days of filming, the director allegedly implored them to perform in the nude with body makeup, “or the Picture would fail.”

Hussey was 15 at the time and Whiting was 16. According to the complaint, Zeffirelli showed them where the camera would be positioned, and assured them that no nudity would be photographed or released in the film. The suit alleges that he was being dishonest and that Whiting and Hussey were in fact filmed nude without their knowledge.

Always thought it was pretty crazy to watch this in high school

right??? we watched that in my fairly conservative hs in 9th grade

Wow - I just learned about that thanks to last week's episode of With Gourley and Rust. They were covering Black Christmas, in which Hussey stars. Paul said that his mom used to teach school and would rotate the school's AV cart so that the screen wasn't facing the students during the nude scene.

Don’t these 70+ year olds have anything better to do? Following in the footsteps of the Nirvana baby? Pathetic.

If it happened in 2018, would you object to them speaking out now?

the 2018 Hussey quotes at the end of the Variety piece seem to suggest she only recently changed her mind - but that doesn't mean she can't do that (shameful reactions under the article)

Following in the footsteps of the Nirvana baby? Pathetic.

Yes, these two situations are basically the same, good job

Andrew Callaghan (Channel 5/All Gas No Brakes) allegation just dropped

Y’all… Andrew Callaghan (Channel 5/All Gas No Brakes) allegation just dropped pic.twitter.com/yblMB7ylee

— care-oh (@babytriggy) January 5, 2023

Ron Jeremy may not stand trial due to issues with dementia.

https://www.complex.com/life/ron-jeremy-severe-dementia-incompetent-to-stand-trial-rape?

Nickelodeon just "parted ways" with Dan Schneider and this sure feels like getting out in front of some story

― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, March 27, 2018 3:47 PM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Just finished the audiobook of Jennette McCurdy's I'm Glad My Mom Died. She gets into some of Schneider's abuse - he was definitely an enormous asshole to children and grooming her (giving her alcohol underage; unwanted touching and shoulder rubs). I had never watched an episode of iCarly or Sam and Cat in their entirety. Mostly just saw the commercials in between episodes of Avatar the Last Airbender or whatever else my kids were watching at the time. But even from just seeing short clips here and there, I knew that McCurdy was a very talented comedic actress. To learn that her talent came at the expense of such an abusive, stunted childhood is truly heartbreaking. The book is absolutely a horror story. Definitely recommended (with trigger warnings for eating disorders and child abuse).

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/harvey-weinstein-sentenced-los-angeles-prison-term-1235531069/

Harvey Weinstein has been sentenced to 16 years, effectively ensuring the former Hollywood mogul and convicted rapist will spend the rest of his life behind bars.

Weinstein’s sentencing was held in downtown Los Angeles on Thursday morning, nearly two months after his Los Angeles trial concluded with a jury convicting him on three counts of rape and sexual assault.

Weinstein is already serving a 23-year sentence in New York, after being convicted of rape and sexual assault in that jurisdiction in his 2020 criminal trial. On Thursday, the judge ordered Weinstein to serve his L.A. sentence consecutively after New York.

F. Murray Abraham Was Kicked Off ‘Mythic Quest’ for Sexual Misconduct

https://pagesix.com/2023/04/17/f-murray-abraham-fired-from-mythic-quest-for-sexual-misconduct-report/

I'm about 3/4 through Beef on Netflix but this just makes me not want to watch the rest of it. esp when the story above shows how easy it is to just not cast terrible people in your shows

https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/beef-star-david-choe-rape-joke-podcast-clips-removed-twitter-1235585677/

Ah fuck re: F Murray, I remember thinking how weird it was for a show to axe a character these days without them either having died or been exposed as a creep.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/actor-danny-masterson-convicted-of-two-counts-of-rape-at-second-los-angeles-trial/ar-AA1bXlzS

All of the women had relatives in Scientology and feared they would be excommunicated and labeled "suppressive persons" if they went against Masterson and the church.

And this is likely what would have happened... Celebs are anointed above all else

Yeah, one of Masterson’s victims is now married to Cedric Bixler-Zavala and after he spoke out about Scientology and Masterson this happened by complete coincidence:

In 2020, Bixler-Zavala's dog died after allegedly eating raw meat laced with rat poison that had been tossed into their yard. Bixler-Zavala alleged that the Church of Scientology was responsible, though they have denied the accusations

I just saw that Nancy Cartwright (Bart Simpson's voice) was given some Grand Wizard Poobah Clear level because she's donated $20 million to that 'church'

'Bout to dive into my buddy Mo's book, which looks great:

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51u8yXQ6VyL._SY346_.jpg

Looks good, thanks.

My wife's friend was an intern at SNL back in the early 00s. About a year ago she said she got a call from a journalist who had heard that a producer had harassed her. She decided not to talk to the journalist. I wonder if it was for this book or another writer's piece.

SNL seemed like a shitty place for women after reading that Tom Shales book. I also remember Paul Simon in said book trying to dismiss Janeane Garofalo's recollections of the misogyny there, which just made his relationship with the show seem all the more slimy. (Don't forget, it's been widely confirmed that Simon stole the concept for Graceland from an aspiring songwriter he was supposed to mentor - she worked at SNL and Lorne Michaels was the one who brought her to Simon.)

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/national-international/disgraced-sports-doctor-larry-nassar-stabbed-multiple-times-during-altercation-at-florida-federal-prison-sources/3184726/

https://wlwt.com/article/fluke-skywalker-john-stevens-arrested-child-pornography/44592470

(unclear what this is about since it could just as easily be "material that mentions LGBT" maybe, but still)

Kevin Spacey acquitted of all charges.

https://news.yahoo.com/actor-kevin-spacey-acquitted-nine-135620852.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

Spacey's lawyer Patrick Gibbs said it was not a crime to like sex or have casual sex even if you were a famous person and that it was "not a crime to have sex with someone of the same sex, because it's 2023 not 1823".

fuck you, dude

phew, i can go back to enjoying horrible bosses now

an allegation Spacey described as "absolute bollocks", using a British slang term for testicles and for something which is nonsense.

lol, thanks for explaining

Amazing how it turns out these known predators actually did nothing wrong ever, and it's the world that doesn't understand them.

Makes you think.

Glad to hear that Kevin Spacey is completely innocent. Time for a K-Pax party!

spacey made a pass at somebody and it was mistaken for sexual assault. classic blunder!

and the other two.. just looking for an easy dollar i guess. well guess what the gravy train stops here!!!!

philippe garrel: https://www.mediapart.fr/journal/france/300823/des-faveurs-sexuelles-contre-un-role-dans-un-film-plusieurs-femmes-incriminent-philippe-garrel?utm_source=global&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SharingApp&xtor=CS3-5

Shocking news, especially having seen his films.

danny masterson sentenced to ‘30 years to life’

Damn!

That's crazy

or not, I don't know the sentencing guidelines for those cases

Bye-bye, Sci-Ti!

wow that's a long sentence.

Masterson will serve two 15-year sentences consecutively, one for each charge. He must also register as a sex offender.

So not actually 30 years

Or wait - consecutive means one following the other, so yes - thirty years

That's nothing compared to how long Xenu was imprisoned for.

is he the first scientologist to be held accountable for anything? feels like it.

how do anti-carceral people feel about this sentence

yeah, he's got at least a trillion more years ahead of him, thirty years is a walk in the park

is he the first scientologist to be held accountable for anything?

L. Ron was constantly in trouble during his Navy career: "The following month, Hubbard unwittingly fired upon Mexican territory and was relieved of command..."

yeah but I mean since then. scientology has gone to great lengths to protect members over the past 35 - 40 years and they have had a cozy relationship with the police and DA in LA. Maybe that is starting to shift.

A friend of mine went to his first trial as moral support for his victims, she having been someone who had her own brush with Harvey W and now is advocating for others who have dealt with the same shit. She was pretty happy to hear about this.

I've heard good things about the Scientology Club at California Institution for Men, Chino... they're supposed to have a great Xmas party with pumpkin spice pruno

it's kind of insane to me that DM is married to bijou phillips, daughter of john phillips ...

john phillips was an incredibly bad person so she clearly didn't have a good model in what constitutes a decent human being

its strange to see consecutive sentencing or am i mistaken?

US judges generally can use their discretion in choosing between consecutive or concurrent sentences.

consecutive sentences are disallowed on ILX

I am in compliance as evidenced by this and my previous post

its strange to see consecutive sentencing or am i mistaken?

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, September 7, 2023 6:08 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

The judge has some discretion, but it often depends on the relation of the crimes to each other. If it's the same events and victim generating multiple charges, that's more likely to be concurrent. If it's different events and victims, that's more likely to be consecutive.

30 years for rape for a rich white man is... eye opening to put it one way.

Fluke Skywalker killed himself after that arrest I mentioned earlier

https://local12.com/news/local/fluke-skywalker-dies-suicide-following-criminal-charges-cincinnati-john-stevens-child-porn-pornography-sexually-oriented-matter-minor-children-fundraising-charity-community-star-wars

Bijou Phillips has filed for divorce from Masterson
https://www.tmz.com/2023/09/19/bijou-phillips-danny-masterson-files-divorce-danny-masterson-30-year-rape-sentence/

It's probably pretty hard to make it work when you husband is in jail for being a convicted rapist. It's going to be a while until she is clear again, warm up the Campbell's Soup cans.

I guess no conjugal visits then

Or do rapists even get those?

Weird convo!

It's going to be a while until she is clear

She stood by him all through the trial... I wonder if "The Church" advised her to cut bait now that there's an actual conviction

Mars Volta’s Cedric’s wife was one of the victims. Have been following this story through his Instagram and “good” (weird way to put it) for his wife and him to have this kind of resolution.

Seems likely that 'The Church' is directly culpable in this kind of thing, or at least discouraging reporting to police

Oh for suuuuuuuuure

curious to see if 'the church' ultimately disavows him as insufficiently clear. probably depends on which stance costs them (more) money

I don't know WTF is up with Mcgowan but her brain appeared to break after Weinstein and she got hypercritical of #metoo accusers despite being one herself.

my suspicion is she felt betrayed by those in Hollywood who were dismissing her and not believing her, writing her off as crazy, the media trying to dig up dirt on her before the dam broke on HW, and it kinda fucked her up. why she is now saying things about other accusers is weird though. she's just doing the same thing others did to her.

My guess as well. During the height of the pandemic she was lashing out at a lot of people for different reasons, but it was all unhinged nonsense. She's really in need of help and I hope she gets it and it works, but otherwise it's probably best to ignore her.

https://www.avclub.com/julia-ormond-sues-disney-miramax-and-caa-in-harvey-we-1850901339

Ormond says that, in the aftermath, she informed her agents, Bryan Lourd and Kevin Huvane (who now serve as co-chairmen of CAA), about what had happened; she says the pair “cautioned her from speaking out and did not protect her.”

Ormond is suing CAA for negligence and breach of fiduciary conduct, and the formerly Weinstein-run Miramax (and its owners at Disney) for negligent supervision, with her lawyers writing in the suit that “The men at CAA who represented Ormond knew about Weinstein. So too did Weinstein’s employers at Miramax and Disney. Brazenly, none of these prominent companies warned Ormond that Weinstein had a history of assaulting women because he was too important, too powerful, and made them too much money.”

Hope they get taken for everything

jonathan majors fired by marvel

Good

not surprised. his defence seemed to be 'she did it first' which, uh, does not fly, dude. guy's career is cooked now, I think. He was a good actor but the second this situation happened there was an onslaught of follow on reports that he'd been an abusive, smug asshole for years.

Vin Diesel Accused of Sexual Battery in Lawsuit by Former Assistant

Crazy Days and Nights’ Gossip Blogger Unmasked—by Furious Ex-Mistress
https://archive.ph/2024.02.07-174114/https://www.thedailybeast.com/crazy-days-and-nights-blogger-unmasked-as-john-nelsonby-ex-mistress-cassandra-crose

The anonymous author of the notorious Hollywood gossip blog Crazy Days and Nights inadvertently revealed his identity to a Florida court last year in the fallout of a messy extramarital affair that wouldn’t be out of place in one of his website’s famed “blind items.”

Crazy Days and Nights (often abbreviated as CDaN) is infamous for publishing sensational and inflammatory claims about unnamed celebrities with little regard for accuracy. In fact, the blog admits in a disclaimer that some material might be “products of the author’s imagination” and last year settled a defamation lawsuit with Diana Jenkins of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

But some items have their footing in reality. CDaN’s lead blogger, who uses the pseudonym “Enty Lawyer,” has been credited with beating major publications to the punch on several major stories—including Harvey Weinstein’s predations—and developed a certain mystique among the mainstream media, QAnon-style conspiracy theorists, and ordinary celeb-watchers.

Though a handful of profiles about Enty Lawyer have been published, they were written under agreements to keep his identity secret. But The Daily Beast has confirmed that the dirt-slinger behind Crazy Days and Nights is licensed California attorney John Robert Nelson, who in 2018 ran unsuccessfully for Congress as a progressive Democrat. It’s unclear whether he currently practices law or ever practiced entertainment law as his moniker suggests.

Nelson’s secret life came to light because of an affair he had with a Florida woman that has spawned dueling legal complaints and accusations of abusive behavior.

Not as monumental as Dril reveal

possibly the all time GOAT celeb gossip blogger for my money

https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/drake-bell-sexual-assault-brian-peck-documentary-1235934302/

In 2003, Peck, 43 at the time, was arrested on 11 charges — including sodomy, lewd act upon a child 14 or 15 by a person 10 years older, and oral copulation by anesthesia or controlled substance — but the minor was not named until now.

“My name is Drake Bell and I came here today to tell my story,” Bell says during the documentary’s third episode, before detailing his close relationship with Peck, whom he met at the beginning of Season 2 of “The Amanda Show.”

At first, Bell’s father was his manager and became uncomfortable about how much time Peck was spending time with his son, so much so that he went to production and told them. “I go, ‘I don’t see anything abnormal but it just doesn’t — I don’t have a good feeling,'” he said. At the time, Joe Bell claims production told him that Peck is gay and said, “Maybe you’re just homophobic and you just don’t understand that he’s a touchy-feely guy.”

This sounds like a huge breaking story, what the fuck is "ID"?

Investigation Discovery, a true crime cable network.

jesus

Peck is named in the Open Secret documentary, he was friends w Bryan Singer.

such a sad and fucked up story, given that Drake Bell himself was later accused of preying on underage girls

seems the documentary covers not just that case but an overall abusive/toxic environment on Nickelodeon shows run by (known creep) Dan Schneider: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/drake-bell-brian-peck-sexual-assault-dan-schneider-docuseries-1235850468/

amanda bynes is widely understood to have had a mental breakdown as a result of all of this, correct?

so i just saw a photo of this guy and thought: wait is this the guy from Head of the Class?

it is! i had no idea he went on to become an abusive producer of children's programming

(this guy = dan schneider)

Huh, had no idea it was the HotC dude either!

I just looked up his picture and was like “ohhhhhh okay”

I know it’s bad form/unhelpful to conflate an actor’s personality with a character they played, but what I remember of Dennis makes it extremely tempting.

I rewatched Better Off Dead this winter, and Dan Schneider is in there as a character who is a total creep towards women.

Also, I mentioned it upthread, but Jennette McCurdy discussed Schneider's grooming in her memoir, I'm Glad My Mom Died (tw: child abuse, eating disorders).

Really feels like another shoe has been about to drop on Schneider for 10 years. Every time something comes out its always like he *massages* or he *yells* or he *makes suggestive content* but never seems to get up to any of the Bryan Singer-type stuff that could get tried in a court of law. Either theres some insane shit being held back or he was just a master at approaching the line between "creep" and "criminal" but never crossing it.

It's kind of a similar story to that of Brett Ratner*, nothing prosecutable yet but enough to completely torpedo his career forever.

*the X-Men franchise really leaned heavily on major creeps!

quinton of quinton reviews is editing a schneider video as an coda to his 43-hour long youtube series on icarly and victorious.

So the 'Quiet on Set' thing is news to me, but I have no intention of delaying my Dan Schneider video until April. I'm going to go ahead and finish it this month (or March). I'm sure there will be more specific revelations in this piece, but I frankly want to be done with it all.

— Quinton Reviews - #1 GARFIELD FAN 🎬 (@Q_Review) February 8, 2024

it is a horrible coincidence that Drake Bell’s costar shares the same last name as his abuser ie Josh Peck, Brian Peck

zero relationship between the two

but the way the article says PECK and mainly shows pics of Josh is unfortunate

This sounds like a huge breaking story, what the fuck is "ID"?

― The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, March 14, 2024 11:32 AM (four days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Investigation Discovery, a true crime cable network.

― peace, man, Thursday, March 14, 2024 11:35 AM (four days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Included w/MAX subscription, as I just learned.

tbf I think Ratner has multiple accusations of sexual assault and other crimes, beyond anything I’ve seen about Schneider, it just doesn’t seem like charges were filed (and he’s now left the country for good)

Stuff on Mo Troper today:

this is about mo troper https://t.co/4dMaoKrnEk

— floating room (@floating_room) March 17, 2024

In light of recent information, we will no longer be releasing Mo Troper’s album Svengali. Refunds will be available at point of purchase. We are sending healing thoughts to Maya and victims of abuse everywhere.

— Lame-O Records (@LameORecords) March 18, 2024

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/dan-schneider-quiet-on-set-video-interview-1235855562/

I guess thank your favorite deity the California conviction still stands:

New York’s highest court on Thursday overturned Harvey Weinstein’s 2020 conviction on felony sex crime charges, a stunning reversal in the foundational case of the #MeToo era.

In a 4-3 decision, the New York Court of Appeals found that the trial judge who presided over Mr. Weinstein’s case had made a crucial mistake, allowing prosecutors to call as witnesses a series of women who said Mr. Weinstein had assaulted them — but whose accusations were not part of the charges against him.

Citing that decision and others it identified as errors, the appeals court determined that Mr. Weinstein, who as a movie producer had been one of the most powerful men in Hollywood, had not received a fair trial. The four judges in the majority wrote that Mr. Weinstein was not tried solely on the crimes he was charged with, but instead for much of his past behavior.

Now it will be up to the Manhattan district attorney, Alvin L. Bragg — already in the midst of a trial against former President Donald J. Trump — to decide whether to seek a retrial of Mr. Weinstein.

It was not immediately clear on Thursday morning how the decision would affect Mr. Weinstein, 71, who is being held in an upstate prison in Rome, N.Y. But he is not a free man. In addition to the possibility that the district attorney’s office may try him again, in 2022, he was sentenced to 16 years in prison in California after he was convicted of raping a woman in a Beverly Hills hotel.

Mr. Weinstein was accused of sexual misconduct by more than 100 women; in New York he was convicted of assaulting two of them. The Court of Appeals decision, which comes more than four years after a New York jury found Mr. Weinstein guilty, complicates the disgraced producer’s story and underscores the legal system’s difficulty in delivering redress to those who say they have been the victims of sex crimes.

I would have expected this guy to be dead by now

Damn.

I don't know how the hell the legal system works and why it would be considered inappropriate to bring in relevant evidence unless the whole thing is just built by and for men like him. how many other incarcerated people have ever had the possibility of getting a "fair trial" by these standards?

putting people through another one would be so fucked up

(prison is bad and my preference for him would be exile to an uninhabited island to eat seabirds and die but if that's not an option then free literally everyone else first)

allowing prosecutors to call as witnesses a series of women who said Mr. Weinstein had assaulted them — but whose accusations were not part of the charges against him.

not a lawyer, but isn't this a character witness? why is this not viable?

Allegations of Prior bad acts aren’t supposed to influence determination of the persons guilt on the actual charges the court is considering.

It’s a principle supposed to protect the defendant, wouldn’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

it's been thrown out

I don't believe for a second that this rule is applied with any consistency

^^^ otm

also like allegations of prior "bad" things that have nothing to do with the case at hand (e.g. queerness, drug use, mental illness) seem to be totally fair game when it comes to discrediting victims so whose game are we playing here

this is like "there is too much evidence that this guy is bad, overturned!"

Rich, powerful (formerly, anyway) and white. Different rules, once again.

on paper I get the need for the different standards for a conviction vs an accusation but the way it works out in practice is always so fucked up and arbitrary and I know lawyers can explain it all rationally like they always do and mask the violence and power through reason and process which just makes the whole thing even more grotesque

this is evidence 101 and you might want to consider how prosecutors might use prior bad acts to railroad defendants.

Weinstein is scum and belongs in prison, but no, it isn't always fucked up and arbitrary.

they literally do that all the time?

it might be against the rules in some abstract sense but so what

lol, abstract

speaking of standards of evidence

Appeals courts overturn the convictions of undoubtable scumbags because of unfair trials pretty frequently

you know how your rapist president and your other rapist president (no not that one, the other one) collaborated in the biggest ever expansion in prison populations and how hundreds of thousands of mostly non white people are still serving time and providing free labour and often being raped because of alleged petty crimes?

but due process and sufficient evidence is obviously very important now when someone more like bill clinton is in trouble and it's worth retraumatising his victims in order to prove a point about american justice or something

I don't have a clue about what legal procedures are necessary for doing this or that but in light of the above that shouldn't be the point the point should be the burn whole thing down, death to patriarchy, death to america, and so on

@ no one in particular except "america"

ok

More allegations against Dan Schneider, this time from Lori Beth Denberg.

https://consequence.net/2024/05/lori-beth-denberg-dan-schneider/

Schneider was head writer on All That throughout the four seasons in which Denberg appeared, and the interview with Business Insider details an alleged event shortly after Denberg’s 19th birthday in which Schneider asked for a meeting, then began showing the actress clips of pornography on his computer. Denberg claimed that the “grand finale” of footage showed a woman performing oral sex on a donkey.