rolling #metoo thread for sexual harassment in the music industry so no one misses out when artists we don't give a fuck about like Tim Westwood and Bassnectar get caught

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It seems like a lot of the sexual harassment news of the last few years has either ended up in Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs or in individual artist threads like Ryan Adams and Swans: Classic or Dud? and Warped Tour 2004 and probably many more.

I just think it would do well to have a catch-all thread just for ILM. It seems like the news stories on this topic come and go and we don't get to see the full size of the issue. We could post news here or links to older revives in individual artist threads.

If this is a bad idea, feel free to let me know.

Anyways, here's Bassnectar:

No, I Do Not Want To Interview Bassnectar.

Here's Tim Westwood:

Tim Westwood = AWESOME

peace, man, Thursday, 9 July 2020 15:52 (one month ago) link

good idea!

carin' (map), Thursday, 9 July 2020 15:53 (one month ago) link

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fifthgear/images/7/70/Tim_westwood.PNG/revision/latest/top-crop/width/360/height/450?cb=20180520153702

let's not forget that Tim Westwood is only one year younger than Theresa May (another child of the clergy) and uses a lot more grecian 2000. The real tragedy is he when got shot, the bullet didn't go right through his testicles. It all seems to have gone quiet about him and his grooming game. What an utter stain.

calzino, Thursday, 9 July 2020 16:02 (one month ago) link

Whippin hard! What's my ride out music? pic.twitter.com/znI67xOcLO

— TimWestwoodTV (@TimWestwood) June 10, 2020

calzino, Thursday, 9 July 2020 16:47 (one month ago) link

he's supposedly got knocking on half a million followers yet his "whipping hard" tweet gets him 11 retweets ..hmmm

calzino, Thursday, 9 July 2020 17:03 (one month ago) link

the Minneapolis hip hop scene had a crazy week of blowing with all sorts of abusers getting outed

https://www.brooklynvegan.com/doomtree-prof-others-respond-after-members-of-minneapolis-hip-hop-scene-accused-of-abuse/

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 July 2020 17:16 (one month ago) link

pretty glaring free pass still given to surviving classic rockers about this, feels like a conversation people want to postpone indefinitely

yeah the independent radio station i used to do a show for would send out emails about not playing music by the ducktails guy (for example) when sexual abuse allegations came out, but then people would still play james brown and led zeppelin all the time

na (NA), Thursday, 9 July 2020 21:18 (one month ago) link

does listening to someone's music = giving them a pass? asking for a friend

trapped out the barndo (crüt), Thursday, 9 July 2020 21:27 (one month ago) link

not necessarily but fandom tends to do that especially when it gets loud enough to shout down critical voices

Prince is a big one no one wants to touch

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 July 2020 22:19 (one month ago) link

I still fuck with Prince, David Bowie, Motley Crue. Nugent, Zeppelin, Aerosmith to lesser extent. I don't know why this is, but some of the songs are so emotionally resonant to me that I can't divorce myself from them. I honestly haven't even looked into what Prince has done.

peace, man, Thursday, 9 July 2020 22:44 (one month ago) link

idk if it's a specific one thing, or just the general consensus that he was a humongous asshole, often abusive. but i'll let ums confirm

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 July 2020 22:45 (one month ago) link

I'm sure that Prince was a terrible asshole in many facets of his life.

peace, man, Thursday, 9 July 2020 22:57 (one month ago) link

including the time when he was the symbol that he told the press they had to use the special font he gave them when writing about him, send them the special font in a file, then tried to sue people for using it in articles anyway.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:02 (one month ago) link

The Tim Westwood thread shows that a whole lot of ILXors really did give a fuck about him.

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:32 (one month ago) link

idk if it's a specific one thing, or just the general consensus that he was a humongous asshole, often abusive. but i'll let ums confirm

― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Thursday, July 9, 2020 5:45 PM (fifty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

No I mean grooming underage women

In 1990, 16-year-old Garcia met Prince backstage in Barcelona after he saw a tape of her dancing. After she graduated high school in Germany at the age of 17, Prince became her legal guardian.[14][4] Upon moving to Minneapolis, Prince and members of his team helped set her up with her own apartment. "At first, I stayed at the Sofitel, then they moved me to a nice little prairie house at the Country Suites, but I couldn't even make a cup of tea there, so they got me an apartment and rented furniture," she said.[15] At the age of 19, Prince instructed her to get on birth control thus beginning their sexual relationship.[4] After a four-year courtship, they married on February 14, 1996.[16]

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:36 (one month ago) link

After she graduated high school in Germany at the age of 17, Prince became her legal guardian.

Ted Nugent pulled this same trick.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:39 (one month ago) link

Oh, well...that part I didn't know. fuck!

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:40 (one month ago) link

xpost

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:40 (one month ago) link

xps to Tom

he is like funk flex yes, but singular and glorious in a way only england can be
― bob zemko (bob), Monday, 14 October 2002 07:27 (seventeen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

just imagine how singular and glorious funkmaster flex could have been if he was an upper middle class white English pedo still "doing it" at 62!

calzino, Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:40 (one month ago) link

Nona Gaye was 18 when they started dating (allegedly started)

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:41 (one month ago) link

A woman I know knows a lot of people from Prince world, an R&B singer told her the story that Prince was producing her debut solo album in the early 80s

She had done vox on the Lipps Inc project and other things

Anyway

Prince demanded a blow job in the studio, she refused, he walked out, end of her solo career

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:43 (one month ago) link

re: Doomtree, this is 100% shallow but my reaction to them after their set at the first Eaux Claires festival was “these people are terrible and I wish them all nothing but ill fortune”; I’m just sorry that their implosion is built on so much abuse and suffering.

shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 10 July 2020 00:08 (four weeks ago) link

I'd prefer to keep Bowie, James Brown and Prince out of this not because they're too beloved, just cause they're dead that seems like a different category of queasiness. unless someone here is a necromancer-for-cancellation? surely we already have a "separating the art from the artist?" thread already

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 10 July 2020 00:35 (four weeks ago) link

but obv I'm not gonna make an actual effort to thread-police

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 10 July 2020 00:35 (four weeks ago) link

I hear that Gesualdo guy was an asshole.

pomenitul, Friday, 10 July 2020 00:36 (four weeks ago) link

and yet he's still being played every hour, on the hour, on classic rock radio, sickening

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 10 July 2020 00:38 (four weeks ago) link

'Moro, lasso, al mio duolo' is an undeniable jam, though.

pomenitul, Friday, 10 July 2020 00:39 (four weeks ago) link

Do these kids walking about with his face on their t-shirts even know though?

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 10 July 2020 00:42 (four weeks ago) link

Part of it is living in the middle of Minneapolis' Prince Industrial Complex and the endless hagiography gets old

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 10 July 2020 01:39 (four weeks ago) link

Gesualdo is obviously cancelled in my book

didn't actually know any of the bad Prince stories, surprised i didn't see anyone make a lot of noise about them when he died

ufo, Friday, 10 July 2020 05:33 (four weeks ago) link

we all know rock n roll was partly built on this but it would be nice if we didn’t have to wait for the people to die, then wait for the mourning to die down, before any kind of minor reckoning with them. even nicer if it was their peers calling them out but that’s not happening & who else wants to deal with the threats

obv this is still going on in every genre/industry & statistically some of the ppl I like now are going to be creeps. which is shit but I’d rather know about it. lot more stuff is surely coming out soon, whether it will change anything idk. kids still love certain soundcloud dudes we knew about already. I hope they grow out of it

Worth noting that Rodney P and Ty (R.I.P) relentlessly told us of Tim Westwood’s predatory nature...no one listened. #SurvivingTimWestwood pic.twitter.com/FWGxLABWMQ

— Michael Morgan (@mikewhoatv) June 22, 2020

I'd been wondering how Westwood managed to stay so protected - from the viewpoint of 2020 it feels weird to think of the extent to which he was the biggest and pretty much only gatekeeper for any British MC (and the only person playing most rap music in the UK full stop). We're talking about a 20-30 year period of dominance here.

The even grimmer conclusion is that because he was primarily targeting young black girls, no one really cared.

Matt DC, Friday, 10 July 2020 10:04 (four weeks ago) link

I'm surprised there isn't more concerted anger directed against him from some of the bigger grime stars (unless I've missed it) because he needs dragging down, what he gets away with is outrageous.

calzino, Friday, 10 July 2020 10:37 (four weeks ago) link

mind you as a much as a joke character as he he seems, he still obv wields a lot of power and influence

calzino, Friday, 10 July 2020 10:54 (four weeks ago) link

seeming like a joke character seems to help many people who wield a lot of power & influence

Prime Ministers, for instance.

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 10 July 2020 11:48 (four weeks ago) link

The Prince stories, while unsurprising, are really bumming me out.

shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 10 July 2020 13:32 (four weeks ago) link

yeah it's depressing
I did watch Purple Rain for the first time in probably 20 years on Netflix and that whole movie is a real grab bag of red flags though, yikes I was kinda shocked at how horrible The Kid came off

to your Doomtree post, I think those guys (except Dessa, I think she was in a different lane) were super hard drug abusers

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 10 July 2020 14:15 (four weeks ago) link

I always felt like The Kid was supposed to look half horrible and not a model for behavior recommended by prince

but purple rain aside, djp otm. He was one of the few figures i would call a personal hero

gnarled and turbid sinuses (Jon not Jon), Friday, 10 July 2020 14:23 (four weeks ago) link

its hard to process when a huge part, maybe the hugest part, of an artist's project is how sexuality fits into the universe they constructed

gnarled and turbid sinuses (Jon not Jon), Friday, 10 July 2020 14:27 (four weeks ago) link

Yeah, my reading of Purple Rain was that The Kid was well on his way to becoming a piece of shit in the same vein as his father but music and Appolonia opened his eyes to his mistakes and gave him the strength to set his feet on a different path.

Also I don't mean to keep harping on this in the context of this thread but the Doomtree set was SO BAD, like half a step removed from Edina-Christian-youth-group-rapping-for-Jesus levels of bad

shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 10 July 2020 14:27 (four weeks ago) link

its hard to process when a huge part, maybe the hugest part, of an artist's project is how sexuality fits into the universe they constructed

I wouldn't say it's hard, rather that my take on it was that he was projecting a stage persona most of the time and I hoped/assumed he turned it off when it wasn't appropriate (which is of course naive when actually considered but still).

shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 10 July 2020 14:28 (four weeks ago) link

i'm starting to think that being a sexual predator / sexual power dynamics are like the quiet part of what being a successful pop star is or has always been about - the open secret. some people really seemed to relish it / some people were reluctant participants but obviously that doesn't change the end result - the pain of countless women (and queers) who suffered abuse.

carin' (map), Friday, 10 July 2020 15:23 (four weeks ago) link

'pop star' but also music industry exec etc.

carin' (map), Friday, 10 July 2020 15:23 (four weeks ago) link

this is a little out-of-bounds of this thread but i have my theories about why sexual abuse is so commonly done by people in these positions of power. part of it is the alienation of being an industrial exploiter in an exploitative capitalist framework - that very easily translates into sexual exploitation.

carin' (map), Friday, 10 July 2020 15:27 (four weeks ago) link

I'm of two minds about the Svenonius post. On the one hand, it could be good a sign of sincerity that he admitted to being "completely inappropriate to women" without being specifically prompted by an accusation. But there's a more cynical interpretation, which is that this is just preemptive damage control, so that if someone does accuse him of something he can deny it while pointing to this statement as a mark of his credibility. I'm a fan of his, so I really hope it's the first one.

― JRN, Tuesday, July 28, 2020 12:46 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

IDK who JRN is, but on point

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 18:55 (one week ago) link

even moreso than most stories of this nature, it leaves me wondering less about the story itself and more about other, unnamed (and perhaps never-named) acts. just how prevalent is this sort of arrangement among major touring acts? I wonder if maybe, as more people transition out of working in road crews as their primary source of income (by COVID-related necessity), more of these stories will emerge since there will no longer be direct professional consequences. xps

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 18:56 (one week ago) link

maybe they're just being cautious, but Merge's statement makes me assume there's more to come on the Svenonius front and that it's bad.

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 18:57 (one week ago) link

FYI, most settlement agreements (of any kind) will have a confidentiality provision prohibiting either party from disclosing the terms of the settlement. In a situation like a sexual assault allegation, the agreement may also include a non-disparagement provision, meaning neither party may say anything negative about the other party.

One the things NY (and perhaps CA) have done post-#metoo is to limit the ability of parties to include these types of provisions in settlement agreements, in an effort to keep victims from being silenced.

Tōne Locatelli Romano (PBKR), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 19:10 (one week ago) link

thank you, that is helpful legal context

sleeve, Thursday, 30 July 2020 00:15 (one week ago) link

Avi Buffalo, such great music. :c

could tell from the albums that the guy was a sexually frustrated nut, but damn. RIP

Ludo, Thursday, 30 July 2020 06:55 (one week ago) link

SubPop not messing about:

After hearing about a rape accusation that was shared yesterday, Sub Pop is in the process of removing all Avi Buffalo music from our stores and digital services. We do not accept sexual abuse and assault towards anybody and we commend anyone who is able to muster up the strength to speak out and share their experiences; that's not easy. We believe and support Rebecca and hope that she is able to cope and heal.

Scampidocio (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 30 July 2020 19:38 (one week ago) link

out of curiosity, what now happens to those avi buffalo records and whatever svenonius put out with merge?

is it like, here, we're done with you but you can do what you want with the music, or sorry, we continue to hold the rights and they are now out of print forever?

mookieproof, Thursday, 30 July 2020 19:44 (one week ago) link

i was gonna say. seems a raw deal for the (presumed) many people who played/produced/otherwise contributed on that stuff and are now having their work shitcanned

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 30 July 2020 19:45 (one week ago) link

that's a good q. I can't imagine in most cases they'd be taking much of a hit in terms of income by just relinquishing the rights but I'm just guessing really

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Thursday, 30 July 2020 19:47 (one week ago) link

lbut I mean it's more than money, just having your work erased

like say Miles would be a candidate for cancellation but think of how many great artists and producers wrote, performed and crafted the music under the aegis of "Miles Davis"

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 30 July 2020 20:28 (one week ago) link

it's a good point. no easy answer to that one. but the answer moving forward has to be more accountability among everyone involved in real time.

andrew m., Thursday, 30 July 2020 20:31 (one week ago) link

Feel like nearly every single one of your favorite bands are guilty of this shit. Booze, drugs, power, euphoric worship and invincibility. I’m glad this abuse is finally being called out and will hopefully be destroyed, but I also wonder how many men righteously tut-tutting would’ve behaved any differently if they were in the same circumstances.

circa1916, Friday, 31 July 2020 08:19 (one week ago) link

Honestly I think that what hypothetical people might have done is an irrelevance, I'm sure there are many many professional musicians who haven't ever been sexual predators

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Friday, 31 July 2020 11:27 (one week ago) link

i was just watching Last Dance the last few days and Michael Jordan was talking about his early experiences with the Bulls and said he walked into a hotel room and "there was cocaine over here, weed over there, and girls over there"

in this scenario and so many others like it, "girls" are not people, they are a category of treat. "girls" is often given as the reason xyz person started playing in a band in the first place. usually, it's "a joke" but is it? until this mentality changes, and tbh it has not, "girls" will not be considered "people". they are (we are) treats :(

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 31 July 2020 13:05 (one week ago) link

usually, it's "a joke" but is it?

I don't think it's usually a joke tbh!

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Friday, 31 July 2020 13:08 (one week ago) link

that's what people say if you call them out on it
it's what they always say! get a sense of humor! lighten up!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 31 July 2020 13:09 (one week ago) link

La Lechera otm

Joey Corona (Euler), Friday, 31 July 2020 13:34 (one week ago) link

"girls" is often given as the reason xyz person started playing in a band in the first place. usually, it's "a joke" but is it? until this mentality changes, and tbh it has not, "girls" will not be considered "people"

this is a big part of why I'm never not suspicious of groupie culture as a whole despite some groupies and ex-groupies reporting positive or at least not-negative experiences. I would strongly recommend no-fucking-the-fans as a generally accepted norm/standard and then take, idk, 100 years or so to sort these issues out more effectively first

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Friday, 31 July 2020 13:43 (one week ago) link

it's complicated ... because there are non-negative experiences, and there is sometimes a sense of conquest on the part of "the girls" like, "I hooked up with [famous musician]. Let me tell you about his dick." ... It's an extension of getting an autograph or a photo with the person in question, in some cases. ... And, by no means is this meant as a defense of abuse of power or defense of predators. Just that there are different dynamics at play. The "pay (with your vagina) to play" dynamic is gross and I have personally watched it play out with people I know.

sarahell, Friday, 31 July 2020 18:36 (one week ago) link

As in, the musician/fan relationship is a bit different than the musician/person in a lower-status professional position in the entertainment industry.

sarahell, Friday, 31 July 2020 18:38 (one week ago) link

idk I am sure part of my thinking about this stuff is the fact I am middle-aged and spent a long time just accepting that "this is the way things are" and making peace with the fact that "woman musician x" stopped getting gigs around the time she stopped letting "male musician y" abuse her, and relatedly, it's an open secret that "male musician y" is a bad drunk and has been sexually abusive to women while drunk for decades, but because he is a "pillar of the scene" with famous friends, no one calls him out and bans him from things.

sarahell, Friday, 31 July 2020 18:49 (one week ago) link

^^ these are two different "male musician y"s fyi

sarahell, Friday, 31 July 2020 18:49 (one week ago) link

I will allow it is definitely a little more complicated than my blanket suspicion implies

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Friday, 31 July 2020 19:10 (one week ago) link

Sex can be fun and exciting! Sometimes sex is fun and exciting at the time (... sometimes this is because you are drunk and/or high) and then you regret it. ... Or you have trauma that makes it such that you are prone to making unhealthy decisions re sexual behavior ... or it can have a mixture of positive and negative consequences. I feel like we should all know this as adults? And then the question is, going from these presumptions, what's the best community response?

sarahell, Friday, 31 July 2020 19:16 (one week ago) link

I agree that sex is sometimes acceptable. However (MUCH of the time, I know there are a lot of variations here) we're talking about young women who are poorer, often intoxicated, and hold the musician/artist on a pedestal. For a whole lot of reasons that seems destined to more frequently *not only* result in bad outcomes, but also, afterwards, in situations where the women in question will feel compelled to keep quiet about it. (Even moreso than "normal")

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Friday, 31 July 2020 19:39 (one week ago) link

I don't want to diminish that there are lots and lots of variations, but if I was in a touring band I would probably insist on handling it like My Chemical Romance apparently did: play board games in the fucking tour bus and keep it in your pants.

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Friday, 31 July 2020 19:44 (one week ago) link

it takes a lot of touring before you can even afford a bus, Simon ...

sarahell, Friday, 31 July 2020 19:45 (one week ago) link

lol, well I mean admittedly when I think of the worst excesses of this nature I am generally thinking of bigger / more successful bands. (also I keep thinking about the Killers story which is definitely an influence). this is not to say that piddly shit indie dudes are any more virtuous cause they're obviously not, biggest acts just have a wider array of potential enablers

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Friday, 31 July 2020 19:47 (one week ago) link

the people getting called out now are the smaller fries ... in some ways that gets more fraught because the relationships are more complicated.

sarahell, Friday, 31 July 2020 20:13 (one week ago) link

I agree that sex is sometimes acceptable.


Thread’s getting interesting.

circa1916, Friday, 31 July 2020 23:38 (one week ago) link

"I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS YOUR HONOR"

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 1 August 2020 01:36 (one week ago) link

Thankfully, it appears that horrible Killers story may have actually reflected a joke or “hazing” incident (and the person who reported the incident seems to accept this conclusion).

Rob, give a listen to Iggy Stooge (morrisp), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 15:33 (five days ago) link

thanks for sharing that, I only saw the lawyers' statement and it was....very lawyerly

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 15:35 (five days ago) link

Yeah, it’s written in a way that makes you want to instinctively distrust it (but the details seem thorough).

Rob, give a listen to Iggy Stooge (morrisp), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 15:54 (five days ago) link

wow. that's. . .upsetting.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 00:28 (four days ago) link

'Colbert' fires music booker after Tashaki Miyaki singer accuses him of misconduct at CMJ 2010 https://t.co/jvccKIK8cf pic.twitter.com/HXRA3Uzu8m

— Stereogum (@stereogum) August 5, 2020

The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 00:28 (four days ago) link

Kweli has been accused of misconduct before (by Res) and has been acting a whole fool late, running an extended harassment campaign against a Black woman on twitter

Get Me Bodied (Extended Mix), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 01:51 (four days ago) link

Kweli has gone nuts

akm, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 03:23 (four days ago) link

is the colbert booker related to legendary former mayor of Providence, RI?

sarahell, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 18:44 (four days ago) link

I thought he was related to the senator from New Jersey.

peace, man, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 19:02 (four days ago) link

is the colbert booker related to legendary former mayor of Providence, RI?

― sarahell, Wednesday, August 5, 2020 2:44 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don't think he's related to Ben McOsker

The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 19:19 (four days ago) link

Buddy Cianci ??

sarahell, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 20:11 (four days ago) link

I admit that was also my first thought when I saw his name.

Rob, give a listen to Iggy Stooge (morrisp), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 20:28 (four days ago) link

wasn't the story that he stubbed out his cigar on the body of a dude his wife was fucking? ...

sarahell, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 20:39 (four days ago) link

Attacked him with a fireplace poker, IIRC

Rob, give a listen to Iggy Stooge (morrisp), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 20:45 (four days ago) link

(Or maybe I’m mixing up two different stories? R.I.P., Buddy)

Rob, give a listen to Iggy Stooge (morrisp), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 20:46 (four days ago) link

Btw, here’s another case from today’s news: https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2020-08-05/takeoff-migos-accused-sexual-assault

Rob, give a listen to Iggy Stooge (morrisp), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 21:15 (four days ago) link


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