rolling #metoo thread for sexual harassment in the music industry so no one misses out when artists we don't give a fuck about like Tim Westwood and Bassnectar get caught

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It seems like a lot of the sexual harassment news of the last few years has either ended up in Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs or in individual artist threads like Ryan Adams and Swans: Classic or Dud? and Warped Tour 2004 and probably many more.

I just think it would do well to have a catch-all thread just for ILM. It seems like the news stories on this topic come and go and we don't get to see the full size of the issue. We could post news here or links to older revives in individual artist threads.

If this is a bad idea, feel free to let me know.

Anyways, here's Bassnectar:

No, I Do Not Want To Interview Bassnectar.

Here's Tim Westwood:

Tim Westwood = AWESOME

peace, man, Thursday, 9 July 2020 15:52 (one year ago) link

good idea!

carin' (map), Thursday, 9 July 2020 15:53 (one year ago) link

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fifthgear/images/7/70/Tim_westwood.PNG/revision/latest/top-crop/width/360/height/450?cb=20180520153702

let's not forget that Tim Westwood is only one year younger than Theresa May (another child of the clergy) and uses a lot more grecian 2000. The real tragedy is he when got shot, the bullet didn't go right through his testicles. It all seems to have gone quiet about him and his grooming game. What an utter stain.

calzino, Thursday, 9 July 2020 16:02 (one year ago) link

Whippin hard! What's my ride out music? pic.twitter.com/znI67xOcLO

— TimWestwoodTV (@TimWestwood) June 10, 2020

calzino, Thursday, 9 July 2020 16:47 (one year ago) link

he's supposedly got knocking on half a million followers yet his "whipping hard" tweet gets him 11 retweets ..hmmm

calzino, Thursday, 9 July 2020 17:03 (one year ago) link

the Minneapolis hip hop scene had a crazy week of blowing with all sorts of abusers getting outed

https://www.brooklynvegan.com/doomtree-prof-others-respond-after-members-of-minneapolis-hip-hop-scene-accused-of-abuse/

pretty glaring free pass still given to surviving classic rockers about this, feels like a conversation people want to postpone indefinitely

yeah the independent radio station i used to do a show for would send out emails about not playing music by the ducktails guy (for example) when sexual abuse allegations came out, but then people would still play james brown and led zeppelin all the time

na (NA), Thursday, 9 July 2020 21:18 (one year ago) link

does listening to someone's music = giving them a pass? asking for a friend

trapped out the barndo (crüt), Thursday, 9 July 2020 21:27 (one year ago) link

not necessarily but fandom tends to do that especially when it gets loud enough to shout down critical voices

Prince is a big one no one wants to touch

I still fuck with Prince, David Bowie, Motley Crue. Nugent, Zeppelin, Aerosmith to lesser extent. I don't know why this is, but some of the songs are so emotionally resonant to me that I can't divorce myself from them. I honestly haven't even looked into what Prince has done.

peace, man, Thursday, 9 July 2020 22:44 (one year ago) link

idk if it's a specific one thing, or just the general consensus that he was a humongous asshole, often abusive. but i'll let ums confirm

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 July 2020 22:45 (one year ago) link

I'm sure that Prince was a terrible asshole in many facets of his life.

peace, man, Thursday, 9 July 2020 22:57 (one year ago) link

including the time when he was the symbol that he told the press they had to use the special font he gave them when writing about him, send them the special font in a file, then tried to sue people for using it in articles anyway.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:02 (one year ago) link

The Tim Westwood thread shows that a whole lot of ILXors really did give a fuck about him.

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:32 (one year ago) link

idk if it's a specific one thing, or just the general consensus that he was a humongous asshole, often abusive. but i'll let ums confirm

― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Thursday, July 9, 2020 5:45 PM (fifty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

No I mean grooming underage women

In 1990, 16-year-old Garcia met Prince backstage in Barcelona after he saw a tape of her dancing. After she graduated high school in Germany at the age of 17, Prince became her legal guardian.[14][4] Upon moving to Minneapolis, Prince and members of his team helped set her up with her own apartment. "At first, I stayed at the Sofitel, then they moved me to a nice little prairie house at the Country Suites, but I couldn't even make a cup of tea there, so they got me an apartment and rented furniture," she said.[15] At the age of 19, Prince instructed her to get on birth control thus beginning their sexual relationship.[4] After a four-year courtship, they married on February 14, 1996.[16]

After she graduated high school in Germany at the age of 17, Prince became her legal guardian.

Ted Nugent pulled this same trick.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:39 (one year ago) link

Oh, well...that part I didn't know. fuck!

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:40 (one year ago) link

xpost

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:40 (one year ago) link

xps to Tom

he is like funk flex yes, but singular and glorious in a way only england can be
― bob zemko (bob), Monday, 14 October 2002 07:27 (seventeen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

just imagine how singular and glorious funkmaster flex could have been if he was an upper middle class white English pedo still "doing it" at 62!

calzino, Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:40 (one year ago) link

Nona Gaye was 18 when they started dating (allegedly started)

A woman I know knows a lot of people from Prince world, an R&B singer told her the story that Prince was producing her debut solo album in the early 80s

She had done vox on the Lipps Inc project and other things

Anyway

Prince demanded a blow job in the studio, she refused, he walked out, end of her solo career

re: Doomtree, this is 100% shallow but my reaction to them after their set at the first Eaux Claires festival was “these people are terrible and I wish them all nothing but ill fortune”; I’m just sorry that their implosion is built on so much abuse and suffering.

shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 10 July 2020 00:08 (one year ago) link

I'd prefer to keep Bowie, James Brown and Prince out of this not because they're too beloved, just cause they're dead that seems like a different category of queasiness. unless someone here is a necromancer-for-cancellation? surely we already have a "separating the art from the artist?" thread already

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 10 July 2020 00:35 (one year ago) link

but obv I'm not gonna make an actual effort to thread-police

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 10 July 2020 00:35 (one year ago) link

I hear that Gesualdo guy was an asshole.

pomenitul, Friday, 10 July 2020 00:36 (one year ago) link

and yet he's still being played every hour, on the hour, on classic rock radio, sickening

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 10 July 2020 00:38 (one year ago) link

'Moro, lasso, al mio duolo' is an undeniable jam, though.

pomenitul, Friday, 10 July 2020 00:39 (one year ago) link

Do these kids walking about with his face on their t-shirts even know though?

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 10 July 2020 00:42 (one year ago) link

Part of it is living in the middle of Minneapolis' Prince Industrial Complex and the endless hagiography gets old

Gesualdo is obviously cancelled in my book

didn't actually know any of the bad Prince stories, surprised i didn't see anyone make a lot of noise about them when he died

ufo, Friday, 10 July 2020 05:33 (one year ago) link

we all know rock n roll was partly built on this but it would be nice if we didn’t have to wait for the people to die, then wait for the mourning to die down, before any kind of minor reckoning with them. even nicer if it was their peers calling them out but that’s not happening & who else wants to deal with the threats

obv this is still going on in every genre/industry & statistically some of the ppl I like now are going to be creeps. which is shit but I’d rather know about it. lot more stuff is surely coming out soon, whether it will change anything idk. kids still love certain soundcloud dudes we knew about already. I hope they grow out of it

Worth noting that Rodney P and Ty (R.I.P) relentlessly told us of Tim Westwood’s predatory nature...no one listened. #SurvivingTimWestwood pic.twitter.com/FWGxLABWMQ

— Michael Morgan (@mikewhoatv) June 22, 2020

I'd been wondering how Westwood managed to stay so protected - from the viewpoint of 2020 it feels weird to think of the extent to which he was the biggest and pretty much only gatekeeper for any British MC (and the only person playing most rap music in the UK full stop). We're talking about a 20-30 year period of dominance here.

The even grimmer conclusion is that because he was primarily targeting young black girls, no one really cared.

Matt DC, Friday, 10 July 2020 10:04 (one year ago) link

I'm surprised there isn't more concerted anger directed against him from some of the bigger grime stars (unless I've missed it) because he needs dragging down, what he gets away with is outrageous.

calzino, Friday, 10 July 2020 10:37 (one year ago) link

mind you as a much as a joke character as he he seems, he still obv wields a lot of power and influence

calzino, Friday, 10 July 2020 10:54 (one year ago) link

seeming like a joke character seems to help many people who wield a lot of power & influence

Prime Ministers, for instance.

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 10 July 2020 11:48 (one year ago) link

The Prince stories, while unsurprising, are really bumming me out.

shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 10 July 2020 13:32 (one year ago) link

yeah it's depressing
I did watch Purple Rain for the first time in probably 20 years on Netflix and that whole movie is a real grab bag of red flags though, yikes I was kinda shocked at how horrible The Kid came off

to your Doomtree post, I think those guys (except Dessa, I think she was in a different lane) were super hard drug abusers

I always felt like The Kid was supposed to look half horrible and not a model for behavior recommended by prince

but purple rain aside, djp otm. He was one of the few figures i would call a personal hero

gnarled and turbid sinuses (Jon not Jon), Friday, 10 July 2020 14:23 (one year ago) link

its hard to process when a huge part, maybe the hugest part, of an artist's project is how sexuality fits into the universe they constructed

gnarled and turbid sinuses (Jon not Jon), Friday, 10 July 2020 14:27 (one year ago) link

Yeah, my reading of Purple Rain was that The Kid was well on his way to becoming a piece of shit in the same vein as his father but music and Appolonia opened his eyes to his mistakes and gave him the strength to set his feet on a different path.

Also I don't mean to keep harping on this in the context of this thread but the Doomtree set was SO BAD, like half a step removed from Edina-Christian-youth-group-rapping-for-Jesus levels of bad

shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 10 July 2020 14:27 (one year ago) link

its hard to process when a huge part, maybe the hugest part, of an artist's project is how sexuality fits into the universe they constructed

I wouldn't say it's hard, rather that my take on it was that he was projecting a stage persona most of the time and I hoped/assumed he turned it off when it wasn't appropriate (which is of course naive when actually considered but still).

shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 10 July 2020 14:28 (one year ago) link

i'm starting to think that being a sexual predator / sexual power dynamics are like the quiet part of what being a successful pop star is or has always been about - the open secret. some people really seemed to relish it / some people were reluctant participants but obviously that doesn't change the end result - the pain of countless women (and queers) who suffered abuse.

carin' (map), Friday, 10 July 2020 15:23 (one year ago) link

'pop star' but also music industry exec etc.

carin' (map), Friday, 10 July 2020 15:23 (one year ago) link

this is a little out-of-bounds of this thread but i have my theories about why sexual abuse is so commonly done by people in these positions of power. part of it is the alienation of being an industrial exploiter in an exploitative capitalist framework - that very easily translates into sexual exploitation.

carin' (map), Friday, 10 July 2020 15:27 (one year ago) link

Where did you read it?

He heard it through the grapevine.

raven, Thursday, 18 November 2021 11:54 (seven months ago) link

Mark Morriss of the Bluetones

https://annawharton.substack.com/p/if-im-lying-come-sue-me

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 November 2021 14:14 (seven months ago) link

There was some creepy shit about Demarco himself awhile ago too if I recall correctly

husked, tonal wails (irrational), Thursday, 18 November 2021 15:01 (seven months ago) link

Yes there was.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 18 November 2021 15:02 (seven months ago) link

hearsay but my wife heard from multiple women she knew about bad experiences they had with Mac DeMarco back in the day when he lived in Vancouver. she had liked him and never witnessed him behaving inappropriately

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:02 (seven months ago) link

From what I recall, there was a story about a member of his band (maybe this same Lent guy?) who exposed himself (and more) at a party in front of minors and, rather than telling him to knock it off, Mac started filming it.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:11 (seven months ago) link

Bluetones guy sounds just as horrible as his band's music might suggest.

foley track out of sync (Matt #2), Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:15 (seven months ago) link

What an exhausting and pointless way to live your life too.

When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:18 (seven months ago) link

heres the thing Mac demarco's music sucks anyway so stop listening to it. he's also known about this shit for what half a year? fuck that guy and fuck his music anyway

a (waterface), Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:28 (seven months ago) link

three weeks pass...

talking about alexis marshall from daughters

― ufo, Friday, October 15, 2021 12:10 AM (one month ago) bookmarkflaglink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bi39S0mBck
She addresses the abuse from 46:35 in relation to the album and an operation she had to undergo on her spine. Chilling.

Nabozo, Thursday, 9 December 2021 09:50 (six months ago) link

Sorry about Fantano's face, but that's how I found out.

Nabozo, Thursday, 9 December 2021 09:51 (six months ago) link

yipes

licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 December 2021 16:04 (six months ago) link

more fodder for my theory about men who name their group of men after women

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 9 December 2021 17:01 (six months ago) link

ugh. LL otm.

tvod+ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 December 2021 17:05 (six months ago) link

I’ve decided to release my full statement about my experience at this time. Hopefully this will answer any questions and clarify timelines. Heavy content warning. https://t.co/5Rz0xNe7v6

— LINGUA “UNHINGED KRAMPUS MOM” IGNOTA (@LINGUA_IGNOTA_) December 9, 2021

extensive (& very harrowing, serious warning about the content) statement from her on the abuse

ufo, Thursday, 9 December 2021 21:19 (six months ago) link

just unbelievably cruel and hateful

imago, Thursday, 9 December 2021 21:59 (six months ago) link

my god what a monster

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 December 2021 22:31 (six months ago) link

Ugh.

Raw Like Siouxsie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 December 2021 22:34 (six months ago) link

marshall is denying everything and threatening to sue her, of course

seems like he got quietly dropped by sargent house around the time the initial allegations were made public

ufo, Thursday, 9 December 2021 23:52 (six months ago) link

where is denying?

not to be all "i hated this guy BEFORE" but i swear ive been hearing this dude is sketchy for like 20 years. when this band was blowing up, i was completely befuddled why people would support this shitty dude with no tracks. i guess thats more a symptom of music scenes protecting dirtbags.

kurt schwitterz, Friday, 10 December 2021 17:43 (six months ago) link

When reached by Pitchfork, a representative for Daughters shared the following statement from Alexis Marshall: “I absolutely did not engage in any form of abusive behavior towards Kristin. Kristin is a person that I loved and cared deeply for, however, our relationship was unhealthy for both of us. I can assure anyone reading this that I absolutely did not abuse her, mentally or physically. I am investigating legal options.”

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 10 December 2021 18:00 (six months ago) link

"Kristin is a person that I loved and cared deeply for...

...I am investigating legal options"

Paul Ponzi, Friday, 10 December 2021 18:20 (six months ago) link

someone's afraid of the ruthless axe

imago, Friday, 10 December 2021 18:30 (six months ago) link

not really an appropriate metaphor for whatever it is you're referring to

Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Friday, 10 December 2021 18:33 (six months ago) link

that said, realising the extent to which her art is and always has been a response to her fear, horror and impotence when abused while reading her testimony was devastating. it would have taken so much strength to write

imago, Friday, 10 December 2021 18:34 (six months ago) link

i don't think you understand why this person might create their art, like at all, and i get whose side you're on or whatever, i just don't think this particular issue needs your tone-deaf commentary on it at this moment tbrr

Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Friday, 10 December 2021 18:37 (six months ago) link

Is that supposed to be a Skyrim reference?

licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 December 2021 18:39 (six months ago) link

it's one of her songtitles

she literally makes art about vengeance upon abusive men; juxtaposing this with her genuine anguish and even well-wishing for a man she clearly loved very deeply is tough to read, that's all

imago, Friday, 10 December 2021 18:49 (six months ago) link

unambiguously: good on her, i hope the bastard suffers and is never able to treat anyone like this again

imago, Friday, 10 December 2021 18:50 (six months ago) link

oh and 'it would have taken so much strength to write' referred to the testimony, sorry for any ambiguity, although tbr it probably could refer to her music too

imago, Friday, 10 December 2021 18:52 (six months ago) link

It’s okay to not post

talkin' about his flat tire (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2021 19:04 (six months ago) link

Amen to that

Raw Like Siouxsie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 December 2021 15:31 (six months ago) link

two months pass...

Clown

Rocker Marilyn Manson is suing ex-fiancée Evan Rachel Wood and Illma Gore, claiming they hatched sexual-abuse allegations to torpedo his career https://t.co/Q0MLY77wqQ

— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) March 3, 2022

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 March 2022 17:06 (four months ago) link

What an asshole. Those allegations are wild.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 3 March 2022 17:27 (four months ago) link

Discovery will be fun.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 3 March 2022 22:36 (four months ago) link

yeah that seems extraordinarily stupid

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 March 2022 22:49 (four months ago) link

Suing your accuser didn’t work for Steve Coleman.

Johnny Mathis der Maler (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 3 March 2022 22:57 (four months ago) link

Spending too much time around Kanye I guess

frogbs, Friday, 4 March 2022 00:40 (three months ago) link

cokanye

bad luck banging, or Lorna Doone (sic), Friday, 4 March 2022 01:26 (three months ago) link

Bluetones guy:
https://markmorrissmusic.co.uk/statement/

PaulTMA, Friday, 4 March 2022 13:15 (three months ago) link

Well..

Mark G, Friday, 4 March 2022 14:42 (three months ago) link

"This is an issue which I am facing head on and I realise I have a lot of work to do, which I shall begin by denying all the allegations against me"

the new sound in retro-prog (Matt #2), Friday, 4 March 2022 14:49 (three months ago) link

Imagine your parents having a public dispute about whether your conception was welcomed or not.

boxedjoy, Friday, 4 March 2022 15:12 (three months ago) link

Julian Wachner: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/13/arts/music/julian-wachner-trinity-church.html

I don’t know this guy very well but I’ve met him and I know many people who have worked with him. General consensus is that he’s an ass. A lot of people I know have been reacting to this with “it’s about time, everyone knew about this” reactions, which basically make me despair for the music community I inhabit.

castanuts (DJP), Tuesday, 15 March 2022 15:55 (three months ago) link

that seems to have been the tone with a lot of the conductors who've been exposed, levine obviously the most horrific

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 15 March 2022 16:06 (three months ago) link

Anyone watching Phoenix Rising, the Evan Rachel Wood doc about her relationship with Manson? It’s absolutely brutal.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 17 March 2022 04:40 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

horrific. easy to say in hindsight i know, but i always thought he was a wrong 'un.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 13:11 (two months ago) link

it seems like he's got away with it so long because he was almost exclusively targeting young black women. I always thought he was a contemptible idiot, this circus act of a posh bishop's son trying to act like he grew up in the projects.. lol. But had no idea about all this till a few years back. The progression to this point has been very slow considering the huge amount pf complaints against him.

calzino, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 15:51 (two months ago) link


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