rolling #metoo thread for sexual harassment in the music industry so no one misses out when artists we don't give a fuck about like Tim Westwood and Bassnectar get caught

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It seems like a lot of the sexual harassment news of the last few years has either ended up in Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs or in individual artist threads like Ryan Adams and Swans: Classic or Dud? and Warped Tour 2004 and probably many more.

I just think it would do well to have a catch-all thread just for ILM. It seems like the news stories on this topic come and go and we don't get to see the full size of the issue. We could post news here or links to older revives in individual artist threads.

If this is a bad idea, feel free to let me know.

Anyways, here's Bassnectar:

No, I Do Not Want To Interview Bassnectar.

Here's Tim Westwood:

Tim Westwood = AWESOME

peace, man, Thursday, 9 July 2020 15:52 (three years ago) link

good idea!

carin' (map), Thursday, 9 July 2020 15:53 (three years ago) link

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fifthgear/images/7/70/Tim_westwood.PNG/revision/latest/top-crop/width/360/height/450?cb=20180520153702

let's not forget that Tim Westwood is only one year younger than Theresa May (another child of the clergy) and uses a lot more grecian 2000. The real tragedy is he when got shot, the bullet didn't go right through his testicles. It all seems to have gone quiet about him and his grooming game. What an utter stain.

calzino, Thursday, 9 July 2020 16:02 (three years ago) link

Whippin hard! What's my ride out music? pic.twitter.com/znI67xOcLO

— TimWestwoodTV (@TimWestwood) June 10, 2020

calzino, Thursday, 9 July 2020 16:47 (three years ago) link

he's supposedly got knocking on half a million followers yet his "whipping hard" tweet gets him 11 retweets ..hmmm

calzino, Thursday, 9 July 2020 17:03 (three years ago) link

the Minneapolis hip hop scene had a crazy week of blowing with all sorts of abusers getting outed

https://www.brooklynvegan.com/doomtree-prof-others-respond-after-members-of-minneapolis-hip-hop-scene-accused-of-abuse/

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 July 2020 17:16 (three years ago) link

pretty glaring free pass still given to surviving classic rockers about this, feels like a conversation people want to postpone indefinitely

yeah the independent radio station i used to do a show for would send out emails about not playing music by the ducktails guy (for example) when sexual abuse allegations came out, but then people would still play james brown and led zeppelin all the time

na (NA), Thursday, 9 July 2020 21:18 (three years ago) link

does listening to someone's music = giving them a pass? asking for a friend

trapped out the barndo (crüt), Thursday, 9 July 2020 21:27 (three years ago) link

not necessarily but fandom tends to do that especially when it gets loud enough to shout down critical voices

Prince is a big one no one wants to touch

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 July 2020 22:19 (three years ago) link

I still fuck with Prince, David Bowie, Motley Crue. Nugent, Zeppelin, Aerosmith to lesser extent. I don't know why this is, but some of the songs are so emotionally resonant to me that I can't divorce myself from them. I honestly haven't even looked into what Prince has done.

peace, man, Thursday, 9 July 2020 22:44 (three years ago) link

idk if it's a specific one thing, or just the general consensus that he was a humongous asshole, often abusive. but i'll let ums confirm

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 July 2020 22:45 (three years ago) link

I'm sure that Prince was a terrible asshole in many facets of his life.

peace, man, Thursday, 9 July 2020 22:57 (three years ago) link

including the time when he was the symbol that he told the press they had to use the special font he gave them when writing about him, send them the special font in a file, then tried to sue people for using it in articles anyway.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:02 (three years ago) link

The Tim Westwood thread shows that a whole lot of ILXors really did give a fuck about him.

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:32 (three years ago) link

idk if it's a specific one thing, or just the general consensus that he was a humongous asshole, often abusive. but i'll let ums confirm

― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Thursday, July 9, 2020 5:45 PM (fifty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

No I mean grooming underage women

In 1990, 16-year-old Garcia met Prince backstage in Barcelona after he saw a tape of her dancing. After she graduated high school in Germany at the age of 17, Prince became her legal guardian.[14][4] Upon moving to Minneapolis, Prince and members of his team helped set her up with her own apartment. "At first, I stayed at the Sofitel, then they moved me to a nice little prairie house at the Country Suites, but I couldn't even make a cup of tea there, so they got me an apartment and rented furniture," she said.[15] At the age of 19, Prince instructed her to get on birth control thus beginning their sexual relationship.[4] After a four-year courtship, they married on February 14, 1996.[16]

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:36 (three years ago) link

After she graduated high school in Germany at the age of 17, Prince became her legal guardian.

Ted Nugent pulled this same trick.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:39 (three years ago) link

Oh, well...that part I didn't know. fuck!

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:40 (three years ago) link

xpost

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:40 (three years ago) link

xps to Tom

he is like funk flex yes, but singular and glorious in a way only england can be
― bob zemko (bob), Monday, 14 October 2002 07:27 (seventeen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

just imagine how singular and glorious funkmaster flex could have been if he was an upper middle class white English pedo still "doing it" at 62!

calzino, Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:40 (three years ago) link

Nona Gaye was 18 when they started dating (allegedly started)

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:41 (three years ago) link

A woman I know knows a lot of people from Prince world, an R&B singer told her the story that Prince was producing her debut solo album in the early 80s

She had done vox on the Lipps Inc project and other things

Anyway

Prince demanded a blow job in the studio, she refused, he walked out, end of her solo career

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:43 (three years ago) link

re: Doomtree, this is 100% shallow but my reaction to them after their set at the first Eaux Claires festival was “these people are terrible and I wish them all nothing but ill fortune”; I’m just sorry that their implosion is built on so much abuse and suffering.

shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 10 July 2020 00:08 (three years ago) link

I'd prefer to keep Bowie, James Brown and Prince out of this not because they're too beloved, just cause they're dead that seems like a different category of queasiness. unless someone here is a necromancer-for-cancellation? surely we already have a "separating the art from the artist?" thread already

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 10 July 2020 00:35 (three years ago) link

but obv I'm not gonna make an actual effort to thread-police

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 10 July 2020 00:35 (three years ago) link

I hear that Gesualdo guy was an asshole.

pomenitul, Friday, 10 July 2020 00:36 (three years ago) link

and yet he's still being played every hour, on the hour, on classic rock radio, sickening

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 10 July 2020 00:38 (three years ago) link

'Moro, lasso, al mio duolo' is an undeniable jam, though.

pomenitul, Friday, 10 July 2020 00:39 (three years ago) link

Do these kids walking about with his face on their t-shirts even know though?

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 10 July 2020 00:42 (three years ago) link

Part of it is living in the middle of Minneapolis' Prince Industrial Complex and the endless hagiography gets old

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 10 July 2020 01:39 (three years ago) link

Gesualdo is obviously cancelled in my book

didn't actually know any of the bad Prince stories, surprised i didn't see anyone make a lot of noise about them when he died

ufo, Friday, 10 July 2020 05:33 (three years ago) link

we all know rock n roll was partly built on this but it would be nice if we didn’t have to wait for the people to die, then wait for the mourning to die down, before any kind of minor reckoning with them. even nicer if it was their peers calling them out but that’s not happening & who else wants to deal with the threats

obv this is still going on in every genre/industry & statistically some of the ppl I like now are going to be creeps. which is shit but I’d rather know about it. lot more stuff is surely coming out soon, whether it will change anything idk. kids still love certain soundcloud dudes we knew about already. I hope they grow out of it

Worth noting that Rodney P and Ty (R.I.P) relentlessly told us of Tim Westwood’s predatory nature...no one listened. #SurvivingTimWestwood pic.twitter.com/FWGxLABWMQ

— Michael Morgan (@mikewhoatv) June 22, 2020

I'd been wondering how Westwood managed to stay so protected - from the viewpoint of 2020 it feels weird to think of the extent to which he was the biggest and pretty much only gatekeeper for any British MC (and the only person playing most rap music in the UK full stop). We're talking about a 20-30 year period of dominance here.

The even grimmer conclusion is that because he was primarily targeting young black girls, no one really cared.

Matt DC, Friday, 10 July 2020 10:04 (three years ago) link

I'm surprised there isn't more concerted anger directed against him from some of the bigger grime stars (unless I've missed it) because he needs dragging down, what he gets away with is outrageous.

calzino, Friday, 10 July 2020 10:37 (three years ago) link

mind you as a much as a joke character as he he seems, he still obv wields a lot of power and influence

calzino, Friday, 10 July 2020 10:54 (three years ago) link

seeming like a joke character seems to help many people who wield a lot of power & influence

Prime Ministers, for instance.

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 10 July 2020 11:48 (three years ago) link

The Prince stories, while unsurprising, are really bumming me out.

shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 10 July 2020 13:32 (three years ago) link

yeah it's depressing
I did watch Purple Rain for the first time in probably 20 years on Netflix and that whole movie is a real grab bag of red flags though, yikes I was kinda shocked at how horrible The Kid came off

to your Doomtree post, I think those guys (except Dessa, I think she was in a different lane) were super hard drug abusers

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 10 July 2020 14:15 (three years ago) link

I always felt like The Kid was supposed to look half horrible and not a model for behavior recommended by prince

but purple rain aside, djp otm. He was one of the few figures i would call a personal hero

gnarled and turbid sinuses (Jon not Jon), Friday, 10 July 2020 14:23 (three years ago) link

its hard to process when a huge part, maybe the hugest part, of an artist's project is how sexuality fits into the universe they constructed

gnarled and turbid sinuses (Jon not Jon), Friday, 10 July 2020 14:27 (three years ago) link

Yeah, my reading of Purple Rain was that The Kid was well on his way to becoming a piece of shit in the same vein as his father but music and Appolonia opened his eyes to his mistakes and gave him the strength to set his feet on a different path.

Also I don't mean to keep harping on this in the context of this thread but the Doomtree set was SO BAD, like half a step removed from Edina-Christian-youth-group-rapping-for-Jesus levels of bad

shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 10 July 2020 14:27 (three years ago) link

its hard to process when a huge part, maybe the hugest part, of an artist's project is how sexuality fits into the universe they constructed

I wouldn't say it's hard, rather that my take on it was that he was projecting a stage persona most of the time and I hoped/assumed he turned it off when it wasn't appropriate (which is of course naive when actually considered but still).

shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 10 July 2020 14:28 (three years ago) link

i'm starting to think that being a sexual predator / sexual power dynamics are like the quiet part of what being a successful pop star is or has always been about - the open secret. some people really seemed to relish it / some people were reluctant participants but obviously that doesn't change the end result - the pain of countless women (and queers) who suffered abuse.

carin' (map), Friday, 10 July 2020 15:23 (three years ago) link

'pop star' but also music industry exec etc.

carin' (map), Friday, 10 July 2020 15:23 (three years ago) link

this is a little out-of-bounds of this thread but i have my theories about why sexual abuse is so commonly done by people in these positions of power. part of it is the alienation of being an industrial exploiter in an exploitative capitalist framework - that very easily translates into sexual exploitation.

carin' (map), Friday, 10 July 2020 15:27 (three years ago) link

Man accused of kidnapping woman, holding her against will for 4-5 years at SE Houston home

The man in question is apparently the rapper Viper, probably best known for his album You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Saturday, 6 January 2024 03:28 (three months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA9J6lgoI-Q

frogbs, Saturday, 6 January 2024 03:40 (three months ago) link

That account is run by his UK-based label, and the top comment says:

i had no idea this was happening until like an hour ago, this shit is fucking crazy
ill probably make like one longform video about all my experiences with the guy and then leave this shit dormant
stuff is still on the site if you want it, i think ill try and donate some of this stuff to the victim
outsider records will probably stop there
cutting contact obviously
thanks for all of your support over the years it means a lot :) - kettle

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Saturday, 6 January 2024 03:55 (three months ago) link

there's a vaporwave dude called Nmesh who once did a collaboration with Viper - or more accurately he paid him $50 to do a few verses and produced a track around it. it sounded awesome, he clearly put a lot of effort into it (Nmesh not Viper), and then at the last moment pulled it because apparently he started doing research on the guy and was just like "uhhh this guy is a really bad person, I'm not putting my name next to his"

frogbs, Saturday, 6 January 2024 04:02 (three months ago) link

hmmm I'm also starting to remember some Redditors trying to catfish him as an underage girl and finding out it was way way too easy

frogbs, Saturday, 6 January 2024 04:08 (three months ago) link

The fanbase around him was always weird and fucked up fetishization bullshit

xheugy eddy (D-40), Saturday, 6 January 2024 04:08 (three months ago) link

viper has always been a huge piece of shit. i remember c. 2016 friends of mine who had interacted with him personally telling me horrid things. but clearly now he's a lot worse than merely a huge piece of shit.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Saturday, 6 January 2024 04:16 (three months ago) link

Look, you have to separate the art that was exclusively consumed by racist 4chan teens from the artist who kidnaps people

The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 6 January 2024 04:20 (three months ago) link

I do have a friend who does not fall into that category who is heartbroken by this. I'd say Viper's reach is zoomer rymers in general (probably not worth taking a look there atm).

you can see me from westbury white horse, Saturday, 6 January 2024 04:23 (three months ago) link

there is something genuinely weird and suspicious about this dude's "career", like none of the stuff on the RapperViperVEVO channel I think is actually made by him, I've always thought someone just cracked his YouTube and Spotify accounts and uploaded a ton of shit without him actually knowing about it. I mean if you ever hear him talk or read an interview with him he is def not all there

frogbs, Saturday, 6 January 2024 04:28 (three months ago) link

yeah i've never got a handle on it either. the way he's clearly rapping on screen but you can't hear anything. one of my friends who ostensibly collaborated with him on a few occasions i'm pretty sure was no nearer the truth.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Saturday, 6 January 2024 04:32 (three months ago) link

think i stopped enjoying the viper joke when (iirc) he abandoned his family during a hurricane. again 2016 or so.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Saturday, 6 January 2024 04:35 (three months ago) link

I do have a friend who does not fall into that category who is heartbroken by this. I'd say Viper's reach is zoomer rymers in general (probably not worth taking a look there atm).


I got some news for you about zoomer rymers

The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 6 January 2024 04:42 (three months ago) link

well i guess i literally count as one. though i hardly have much time for rym's 'community' (i mean i'm here right)

you can see me from westbury white horse, Saturday, 6 January 2024 04:51 (three months ago) link

always wondered what the fans of this guy were actually fans of, I mean clearly none of the stuff he's done in the last 10 years (or longer?) is actually made by him, and if you do any research at all into him you will find out that he is clearly insane and a sex predator, idk maybe that's where the intrigue is, like it is kinda funny/interesting that nobody can figure out how his early stuff was made because Viper himself can't really say

frogbs, Saturday, 6 January 2024 04:58 (three months ago) link

probably mostly him having been (somehow) an inexhaustible meme - the youtube channel extends on it massively - peppered, or 'validated', by secondary appreciation of the hazy push-button cloud rap thing. i've seen people talk about the early music as if it was somehow quite radical. and it isn't?? but i guess in light of lil b, study beats and so on coming later i can guess why someone might assume that idk.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Saturday, 6 January 2024 05:07 (three months ago) link

*frogsb spending three hours browsing a /mu/ page where they use words like "dindu" and "goyslop"*

"always wondered what the fans of this guy were actually fans of"

The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 6 January 2024 05:12 (three months ago) link

what do those words mean Whiney I've never heard them before

frogbs, Saturday, 6 January 2024 05:14 (three months ago) link

now I wish I hadn't looked them up, yuck

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dindu
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Goyslop

StanM, Saturday, 6 January 2024 07:00 (three months ago) link

a certain music vlogger had better not have covered this fucker I swear to god

Left, Saturday, 6 January 2024 08:53 (three months ago) link

can we not spread the chanslime around even if it's just to marvel at how gross it is? at least the cucking stuff was useful for explaining right wing psychology everything else is just fascist noise

Left, Saturday, 6 January 2024 09:23 (three months ago) link

potty g. kettlegarten

mookieproof, Saturday, 6 January 2024 10:25 (three months ago) link

xpost: sorry

StanM, Saturday, 6 January 2024 11:31 (three months ago) link

sorry I didn't mean you specifically

Left, Saturday, 6 January 2024 13:01 (three months ago) link

i remember seeing stories about him being a creep nearly a decade ago but this is well beyond even that, pretty horrific

like none of the stuff on the RapperViperVEVO channel I think is actually made by him

i think he just gave the channel owner a bunch of videos of him rapping in front of a green screen and let them do whatever with it. i don't think his stupid meme fandom even pretended to care about any music he made since they found out about him but i think some of them did convince themselves that some of his early albums were actually good idk

ufo, Saturday, 6 January 2024 15:18 (three months ago) link

i don't know this guy but the news report on him is completely fucking insane but I also don't understand: the cops came in april, saw the victim and didn't do anything? then came back now and she's nowhere to be found?

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, 6 January 2024 17:45 (three months ago) link

She was pregnant when she was kidnapped. I wonder what happened to the baby.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Saturday, 6 January 2024 18:29 (three months ago) link

yeah that story has a lot of details and leaves a lot of questions

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, 6 January 2024 18:42 (three months ago) link

dont think he's gonna see the light of day again I'm guessing it's even worse than what you see in the article

frogbs, Saturday, 6 January 2024 22:35 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

I wish they didn't always have to publicise these people's talking points which are always the same anyway and give the worst people in the world ammunition

Left, Wednesday, 21 February 2024 13:58 (two months ago) link

he has a point though, think about all those big names who got famous accusing people of sexual assault, there's...

uhm....

uhh, well there's...

uhh....

errr.....

hmm

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 15:22 (two months ago) link

Monica Lewinsky … but the thing is, the amount of ridicule and shame that it entails…

sarahell, Wednesday, 21 February 2024 15:29 (two months ago) link

One of my students last semester did a research project about the scorn/shame/ridicule endured by ML after her sexual relations (choice of words intended) with Clinton. It was very well done. It was new info for most of the class. They didn’t know much (anything?) about the reasons it went down the way it did.

Also the idea that someone is “clout chasing” is almost always completely absurd and a last resort excuse.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 15:34 (two months ago) link

xpost and nowadays, hundreds to thousands of death threats

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 15:34 (two months ago) link

yeah the way you chase clout is claiming you know somebody famous that you don't really know. not claiming they raped/assaulted you.

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 15:35 (two months ago) link

i think simmons might end up being a weinstein level monster by the time this is all done

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 15:38 (two months ago) link

did i miss ILX discussion on diddy being like an epstein of rap

global tetrahedron, Monday, 4 March 2024 19:16 (one month ago) link

yeah it's getting really really bad

The online discourse about is fucking terrible though. Basically a bunch people calling on various rappers mentioned in lawsuits to commit murders to prove they aren’t gay.

President Keyes, Monday, 4 March 2024 19:46 (one month ago) link

yep it suck all around, akademiks is involved now so will only get worse

they think gay people can't murder? apparently they've never seen the works of producer Ryan Murphy

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 4 March 2024 22:48 (one month ago) link

I think the idea is that a false accusation of gayness is supposed to send a straight person into a homicidal rage, and if it doesn’t then the accusation is not false.

President Keyes, Monday, 4 March 2024 23:09 (one month ago) link

where do they think the term “slay, queen” originated smdh

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 4 March 2024 23:09 (one month ago) link

I’m just surprised Rick Rubin hasn’t been brought in yet

beamish13, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 00:47 (one month ago) link

if they’re not that bad ooh they picked a really bad title

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 03:39 (one month ago) link

“Holy shit” doesn’t quite cover it

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 25 March 2024 23:03 (four weeks ago) link

(Though, given the recent news …)

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 25 March 2024 23:05 (four weeks ago) link


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