rolling #metoo thread for sexual harassment in the music industry so no one misses out when artists we don't give a fuck about like Tim Westwood and Bassnectar get caught

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It seems like a lot of the sexual harassment news of the last few years has either ended up in Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs or in individual artist threads like Ryan Adams and Swans: Classic or Dud? and Warped Tour 2004 and probably many more.

I just think it would do well to have a catch-all thread just for ILM. It seems like the news stories on this topic come and go and we don't get to see the full size of the issue. We could post news here or links to older revives in individual artist threads.

If this is a bad idea, feel free to let me know.

Anyways, here's Bassnectar:

No, I Do Not Want To Interview Bassnectar.

Here's Tim Westwood:

Tim Westwood = AWESOME

peace, man, Thursday, 9 July 2020 15:52 (one year ago) link

good idea!

carin' (map), Thursday, 9 July 2020 15:53 (one year ago) link

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fifthgear/images/7/70/Tim_westwood.PNG/revision/latest/top-crop/width/360/height/450?cb=20180520153702

let's not forget that Tim Westwood is only one year younger than Theresa May (another child of the clergy) and uses a lot more grecian 2000. The real tragedy is he when got shot, the bullet didn't go right through his testicles. It all seems to have gone quiet about him and his grooming game. What an utter stain.

calzino, Thursday, 9 July 2020 16:02 (one year ago) link

Whippin hard! What's my ride out music? pic.twitter.com/znI67xOcLO

— TimWestwoodTV (@TimWestwood) June 10, 2020

calzino, Thursday, 9 July 2020 16:47 (one year ago) link

he's supposedly got knocking on half a million followers yet his "whipping hard" tweet gets him 11 retweets ..hmmm

calzino, Thursday, 9 July 2020 17:03 (one year ago) link

the Minneapolis hip hop scene had a crazy week of blowing with all sorts of abusers getting outed

https://www.brooklynvegan.com/doomtree-prof-others-respond-after-members-of-minneapolis-hip-hop-scene-accused-of-abuse/

pretty glaring free pass still given to surviving classic rockers about this, feels like a conversation people want to postpone indefinitely

yeah the independent radio station i used to do a show for would send out emails about not playing music by the ducktails guy (for example) when sexual abuse allegations came out, but then people would still play james brown and led zeppelin all the time

na (NA), Thursday, 9 July 2020 21:18 (one year ago) link

does listening to someone's music = giving them a pass? asking for a friend

trapped out the barndo (crüt), Thursday, 9 July 2020 21:27 (one year ago) link

not necessarily but fandom tends to do that especially when it gets loud enough to shout down critical voices

Prince is a big one no one wants to touch

I still fuck with Prince, David Bowie, Motley Crue. Nugent, Zeppelin, Aerosmith to lesser extent. I don't know why this is, but some of the songs are so emotionally resonant to me that I can't divorce myself from them. I honestly haven't even looked into what Prince has done.

peace, man, Thursday, 9 July 2020 22:44 (one year ago) link

idk if it's a specific one thing, or just the general consensus that he was a humongous asshole, often abusive. but i'll let ums confirm

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 July 2020 22:45 (one year ago) link

I'm sure that Prince was a terrible asshole in many facets of his life.

peace, man, Thursday, 9 July 2020 22:57 (one year ago) link

including the time when he was the symbol that he told the press they had to use the special font he gave them when writing about him, send them the special font in a file, then tried to sue people for using it in articles anyway.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:02 (one year ago) link

The Tim Westwood thread shows that a whole lot of ILXors really did give a fuck about him.

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:32 (one year ago) link

idk if it's a specific one thing, or just the general consensus that he was a humongous asshole, often abusive. but i'll let ums confirm

― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Thursday, July 9, 2020 5:45 PM (fifty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

No I mean grooming underage women

In 1990, 16-year-old Garcia met Prince backstage in Barcelona after he saw a tape of her dancing. After she graduated high school in Germany at the age of 17, Prince became her legal guardian.[14][4] Upon moving to Minneapolis, Prince and members of his team helped set her up with her own apartment. "At first, I stayed at the Sofitel, then they moved me to a nice little prairie house at the Country Suites, but I couldn't even make a cup of tea there, so they got me an apartment and rented furniture," she said.[15] At the age of 19, Prince instructed her to get on birth control thus beginning their sexual relationship.[4] After a four-year courtship, they married on February 14, 1996.[16]

After she graduated high school in Germany at the age of 17, Prince became her legal guardian.

Ted Nugent pulled this same trick.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:39 (one year ago) link

Oh, well...that part I didn't know. fuck!

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:40 (one year ago) link

xpost

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:40 (one year ago) link

xps to Tom

he is like funk flex yes, but singular and glorious in a way only england can be
― bob zemko (bob), Monday, 14 October 2002 07:27 (seventeen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

just imagine how singular and glorious funkmaster flex could have been if he was an upper middle class white English pedo still "doing it" at 62!

calzino, Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:40 (one year ago) link

Nona Gaye was 18 when they started dating (allegedly started)

A woman I know knows a lot of people from Prince world, an R&B singer told her the story that Prince was producing her debut solo album in the early 80s

She had done vox on the Lipps Inc project and other things

Anyway

Prince demanded a blow job in the studio, she refused, he walked out, end of her solo career

re: Doomtree, this is 100% shallow but my reaction to them after their set at the first Eaux Claires festival was “these people are terrible and I wish them all nothing but ill fortune”; I’m just sorry that their implosion is built on so much abuse and suffering.

shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 10 July 2020 00:08 (one year ago) link

I'd prefer to keep Bowie, James Brown and Prince out of this not because they're too beloved, just cause they're dead that seems like a different category of queasiness. unless someone here is a necromancer-for-cancellation? surely we already have a "separating the art from the artist?" thread already

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 10 July 2020 00:35 (one year ago) link

but obv I'm not gonna make an actual effort to thread-police

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 10 July 2020 00:35 (one year ago) link

I hear that Gesualdo guy was an asshole.

pomenitul, Friday, 10 July 2020 00:36 (one year ago) link

and yet he's still being played every hour, on the hour, on classic rock radio, sickening

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 10 July 2020 00:38 (one year ago) link

'Moro, lasso, al mio duolo' is an undeniable jam, though.

pomenitul, Friday, 10 July 2020 00:39 (one year ago) link

Do these kids walking about with his face on their t-shirts even know though?

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 10 July 2020 00:42 (one year ago) link

Part of it is living in the middle of Minneapolis' Prince Industrial Complex and the endless hagiography gets old

Gesualdo is obviously cancelled in my book

didn't actually know any of the bad Prince stories, surprised i didn't see anyone make a lot of noise about them when he died

ufo, Friday, 10 July 2020 05:33 (one year ago) link

we all know rock n roll was partly built on this but it would be nice if we didn’t have to wait for the people to die, then wait for the mourning to die down, before any kind of minor reckoning with them. even nicer if it was their peers calling them out but that’s not happening & who else wants to deal with the threats

obv this is still going on in every genre/industry & statistically some of the ppl I like now are going to be creeps. which is shit but I’d rather know about it. lot more stuff is surely coming out soon, whether it will change anything idk. kids still love certain soundcloud dudes we knew about already. I hope they grow out of it

Worth noting that Rodney P and Ty (R.I.P) relentlessly told us of Tim Westwood’s predatory nature...no one listened. #SurvivingTimWestwood pic.twitter.com/FWGxLABWMQ

— Michael Morgan (@mikewhoatv) June 22, 2020

I'd been wondering how Westwood managed to stay so protected - from the viewpoint of 2020 it feels weird to think of the extent to which he was the biggest and pretty much only gatekeeper for any British MC (and the only person playing most rap music in the UK full stop). We're talking about a 20-30 year period of dominance here.

The even grimmer conclusion is that because he was primarily targeting young black girls, no one really cared.

Matt DC, Friday, 10 July 2020 10:04 (one year ago) link

I'm surprised there isn't more concerted anger directed against him from some of the bigger grime stars (unless I've missed it) because he needs dragging down, what he gets away with is outrageous.

calzino, Friday, 10 July 2020 10:37 (one year ago) link

mind you as a much as a joke character as he he seems, he still obv wields a lot of power and influence

calzino, Friday, 10 July 2020 10:54 (one year ago) link

seeming like a joke character seems to help many people who wield a lot of power & influence

Prime Ministers, for instance.

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 10 July 2020 11:48 (one year ago) link

The Prince stories, while unsurprising, are really bumming me out.

shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 10 July 2020 13:32 (one year ago) link

yeah it's depressing
I did watch Purple Rain for the first time in probably 20 years on Netflix and that whole movie is a real grab bag of red flags though, yikes I was kinda shocked at how horrible The Kid came off

to your Doomtree post, I think those guys (except Dessa, I think she was in a different lane) were super hard drug abusers

I always felt like The Kid was supposed to look half horrible and not a model for behavior recommended by prince

but purple rain aside, djp otm. He was one of the few figures i would call a personal hero

gnarled and turbid sinuses (Jon not Jon), Friday, 10 July 2020 14:23 (one year ago) link

its hard to process when a huge part, maybe the hugest part, of an artist's project is how sexuality fits into the universe they constructed

gnarled and turbid sinuses (Jon not Jon), Friday, 10 July 2020 14:27 (one year ago) link

Yeah, my reading of Purple Rain was that The Kid was well on his way to becoming a piece of shit in the same vein as his father but music and Appolonia opened his eyes to his mistakes and gave him the strength to set his feet on a different path.

Also I don't mean to keep harping on this in the context of this thread but the Doomtree set was SO BAD, like half a step removed from Edina-Christian-youth-group-rapping-for-Jesus levels of bad

shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 10 July 2020 14:27 (one year ago) link

its hard to process when a huge part, maybe the hugest part, of an artist's project is how sexuality fits into the universe they constructed

I wouldn't say it's hard, rather that my take on it was that he was projecting a stage persona most of the time and I hoped/assumed he turned it off when it wasn't appropriate (which is of course naive when actually considered but still).

shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 10 July 2020 14:28 (one year ago) link

i'm starting to think that being a sexual predator / sexual power dynamics are like the quiet part of what being a successful pop star is or has always been about - the open secret. some people really seemed to relish it / some people were reluctant participants but obviously that doesn't change the end result - the pain of countless women (and queers) who suffered abuse.

carin' (map), Friday, 10 July 2020 15:23 (one year ago) link

'pop star' but also music industry exec etc.

carin' (map), Friday, 10 July 2020 15:23 (one year ago) link

this is a little out-of-bounds of this thread but i have my theories about why sexual abuse is so commonly done by people in these positions of power. part of it is the alienation of being an industrial exploiter in an exploitative capitalist framework - that very easily translates into sexual exploitation.

carin' (map), Friday, 10 July 2020 15:27 (one year ago) link

It’s not something you should expose in a twitter beef after 27 years, is something you call the police asap

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 00:08 (three months ago) link

yeah that'll do it

Left, Wednesday, 16 June 2021 00:20 (three months ago) link

reznor being a creep is not exactly news...?

have there been stories before because all i remember is the stuff from manson's book which seemed kinda dubious and not exactly from a reliable source

ufo, Wednesday, 16 June 2021 00:21 (three months ago) link

idk but I'm pretty sure I've been hearing whispers about him almost since the first time I ever heard of NIN

Left, Wednesday, 16 June 2021 00:33 (three months ago) link

well NOW we have a reliable source

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 00:53 (three months ago) link

She was right about Weinstein, but she also has a history of making things up when it involves people she doesn’t like. A decade ago she accused Grohl of hitting on Francis - who was underage at the time iirc, or just turned 18 - and Francis herself had to deny the claim as gross and suggesting her mother should be banned from twitter.

Generally as a rule of thumb I trust people who come forward with things like this and while I still acknowledge that this indeed could have happened and she was right (but why would she delete and apologise afterwards then?), I take everything she says with a pinch of salt especially if it involves people who she doesn't like.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 01:56 (three months ago) link

idk but I'm pretty sure I've been hearing whispers about him almost since the first time I ever heard of NIN


I’m pretty sure the first time I ever heard of Manson, I heard whispers that he had his ribs removed so he could blow himself and that he was Paul from The Wonder Years.

circa1916, Wednesday, 16 June 2021 02:14 (three months ago) link

win win, getting to blow Paul from Wonder Years and having it be you all along

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 02:15 (three months ago) link

Was kind of shocked when I rewatched Lost Highway recently and spotted Manson. Creepy dude

calstars, Wednesday, 16 June 2021 02:19 (three months ago) link

I’m pretty sure the first time I ever heard of Manson, I heard whispers that he had his ribs removed so he could blow himself and that he was Paul from The Wonder Years.

fun fact: Marilyn Manson is the bloke from the band Marilyn Manson and his name is not Trent.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 02:22 (three months ago) link

Generally as a rule of thumb I trust people who come forward with things like this and while I still acknowledge that this indeed could have happened and she was right (but why would she delete and apologise afterwards then?), I take everything she says with a pinch of salt especially if it involves people who she doesn't like.

yeah i completely agree with this

ufo, Wednesday, 16 June 2021 02:23 (three months ago) link

Sony's longest-standing employee, globally, fired effective immediately after head office found 25 years of complaints under a sandwich

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 21 June 2021 10:06 (three months ago) link

Jesus, that's horrifying.

For those of you who, like me, feel called to comb through the article looking for the sandwich anecdote, I believe that (sic) was using a turn of phrase.

peace, man, Monday, 21 June 2021 11:21 (three months ago) link

yes, sorry - the phrase was meant to be self-evidently impossible, in lieu of whatever wildly implausible excuse Sony may come out with themselves

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 21 June 2021 11:51 (three months ago) link

Lotta booze though, but no sandwiches.

peace, man, Monday, 21 June 2021 11:52 (three months ago) link

Vegemite sandwiches by proxy, due to a passing mention of Men At Work.

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 21 June 2021 11:54 (three months ago) link

“Found under a Walkman”

calstars, Monday, 21 June 2021 12:02 (three months ago) link

For those of you who, like me, feel called to comb through the article looking for the sandwich anecdote, I believe that (sic) was using a turn of phrase.

― peace, man, Monday, June 21, 2021 7:21 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Thanking you for your service.

Vin Jawn (PBKR), Monday, 21 June 2021 12:34 (three months ago) link

read this as found a head under a sandwich

maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 21 June 2021 13:06 (three months ago) link

the worse part of me keeps wondering if there's a missing semi-colon before "office"

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Monday, 21 June 2021 15:23 (three months ago) link

the better part of me and the worse part of me are both disgusted by this story

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Monday, 21 June 2021 15:28 (three months ago) link


the worse part of me keeps wondering if there's a missing semi-colon before "office"

― 80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Monday, June 21, 2021 10:23 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol that's what i thought before i was control+fing sandwich

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 21 June 2021 16:26 (three months ago) link

thirded

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 June 2021 16:27 (three months ago) link

not fourthed

“fing sandwich” however...

ten man poland chasing this means hamsik feasts (breastcrawl), Monday, 21 June 2021 16:29 (three months ago) link

what r the best sandwiches to give head to

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Monday, 21 June 2021 16:50 (three months ago) link

head cheese

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 June 2021 16:52 (three months ago) link

^ the best type of sandwich

ten man poland chasing this means hamsik feasts (breastcrawl), Monday, 21 June 2021 17:09 (three months ago) link

pizza sandwich

bruce spr!ngisH3r3 on broadway (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 21 June 2021 17:11 (three months ago) link

how would you like a pizza this

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Monday, 21 June 2021 17:11 (three months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/olvOV9u.png

calstars, Monday, 21 June 2021 17:15 (three months ago) link

I'm sorry I brought up the sandwich thing.

peace, man, Monday, 21 June 2021 17:59 (three months ago) link

u_u

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 21 June 2021 18:00 (three months ago) link

Like, I'm much more disgusted by the toxic fucking work environment that these women had to suffer through. Fuck an alcoholic, sexist work culture. Wonder which US rapper from 2012 called for that shot-session? MGMT were brought up as being at the scene of one of that executive's tirades at a woman. Have any musicians spoken up? Do John Farnham or Midnight Oil have anything to say?

peace, man, Monday, 21 June 2021 18:08 (three months ago) link

the worst thing about the sony revelations, aside from the obvious, is that the end goal of all this abuse, alcoholism, and abject misery is getting like, jessica mauboy to play the afl half time show. what a sad industry.

— anthony albanese mum truther (@nocallums) June 22, 2021

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 22 June 2021 09:35 (two months ago) link

lol, nice twitter handle.

peace, man, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 11:06 (two months ago) link

Drake Bell pleads guilty of crimes against a child, faces up to 2 years in prison

https://news.yahoo.com/drake-bell-pleads-guilty-crimes-against-child-faces-up-to-2-years-in-prison-193935136.html

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 22:20 (two months ago) link

Marilyn Manson Will Turn Himself In to Police Over Videographer-Assault Incident

This case is unrelated to multiple ongoing accusations and lawsuits accusing Manson of sexual assault and psychological abuse of multiple women.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 26 June 2021 22:27 (two months ago) link

Eddie Deezen nooooo!!!

Eddie Deezen is a fucking CREEP who comes into my work at least once a week, calls and asks other servers for my schedule, and if he comes in and i’m not wearing makeup HE LEAVES. And this grown ass old man has the balls to post this on facebook about me im losing my mind pic.twitter.com/FBFTLdp5Mx

— Kara (@KaraLashbaugh) June 22, 2021

kurt schwitterz, Saturday, 26 June 2021 22:34 (two months ago) link

there are not enough eyerolls in the world

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 26 June 2021 22:54 (two months ago) link

I don't think Eddie Deezen has a music career though

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 26 June 2021 23:07 (two months ago) link

A thread re Frederic Rzewski.

A famous composer died today. Honestly, my entire experience of his music is too colored by my impressions of his behavior around young women for me to have much of a memory of anything else. I stopped seeking it out after meeting him.

— Jen Wang (@jen_wang) June 26, 2021

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 26 June 2021 23:15 (two months ago) link

Had to look up who Eddie Denzeen is, and ha ha ha (noooooo)

we don't have to be around all these coffee shops (morrisp), Saturday, 26 June 2021 23:38 (two months ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://www.wdtn.com/news/ohio/drake-bell-of-drake-and-josh-to-be-sentenced-on-charges-for-crimes-against-child/

Two year suspended sentence (plea deal), is now a registered sex offender.

Frightening testimony from victim:

According to the victim, who is now 19, she had maintained a relationship with Bell since she was 12-years-old.

“He was a hero to me. I would have done anything for him,” she said.

She says they maintained a relationship online.

She says when she was 15, the messages were “blatantly sexual.”

The prosecutor’s office says at that concert, “Bell violated his duty of care and, in doing so, created a risk of harm to the victim.”

The teen says Bell forced her to perform sexual acts backstage at the concert and again at a hotel room in Cleveland.

“He is a monster and a danger to children,” she said.

...

“He is sorry he’s finally been caught. He committed these crimes with pride,” she said.

“Jared Drake Bell is a pedophile and this is his legacy,” she ended.

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 12 July 2021 19:17 (two months ago) link

four weeks pass...

Jimmy Urine of Mindless Self Indulgence. This is seriously gross stuff. Had always figured that he was around my age or younger, just based on the juvenility of his lyrics when I first heard them. Surprised to learn he is now in his early 50s.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/mindless-self-indulgence-jimmy-urine-sexual-assault-1209677/

peace, man, Tuesday, 10 August 2021 11:05 (one month ago) link

yeah this was a shock for me. horrible

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 August 2021 11:34 (one month ago) link

hmm

and this latest lawsuit alleges he attended a "pedophile-themed" party hosted by THE SUICIDE SQUAD director James Gunn pic.twitter.com/FGxiNcmTXa

— Matthew Ismael Ruiz (@PoRican) August 9, 2021

bon ivermectin (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 10 August 2021 11:39 (one month ago) link

oh I def thought of that

bon ivermectin (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 10 August 2021 11:52 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

This story is wild

https://www.theroot.com/nicki-minajs-husband-kenneth-petty-pleads-guilty-to-fai-1847652810

It seems Minaj and Petty’s lives are spiraling out of control, as of late. As a registered Level 2 sex offender on New York State’s Sex Offender Registry, Petty is considered to pose “a medium risk of committing another offense” (h/t USA Today) and was obligated to register in California. However, as previously reported by The Root, not only did he not do so, but he and Minaj allegedly attempted to bribe his accuser, identified as Jennifer Hough, into recanting her testimony, according to a lawsuit filed in August which “alleges that the couple attempted to convince the woman who accused Petty of sexual assault in the 1990s to recant her account by harassing and intimidating her.”

“The lawsuit says that an intermediary offered Ms. Hough $20,000 in exchange for signing a prepared statement recanting the accusation,” the New York Times reported. “At one point last year, the lawsuit says, Ms. Minaj called Ms. Hough, saying that she had heard Ms. Hough was willing to ‘help out’; days later, it says, Ms. Hough and her family members received an ‘onslaught of harassing calls and unsolicited visits’ from people she believed to be associated with the couple.”

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 13 September 2021 21:12 (one week ago) link

if she gets her puddin pop vaxxed, maybe his balls will swell up too huge to assault anyone

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 14 September 2021 01:12 (one week ago) link


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