Israel to World: "Suck It."

I've had a recommendation/request that, since this thread is several thousand posts long and Israel has entered a new phase of telling the world to suck it, this thread be locked and a new one started.

― WmC, Monday, October 16, 2023 8:08 AM

i request a less callous thread title too

TY. I was hesitant to say anything about it, but I don't think this kind of title does the situation any service.

As noted, I know numerous IRL people with Israeli flag avatars saying that they stand with Israel no matter what.

Plus I know IlXorz and others who almost uniformly condemn Israel as a brutal apartheid state that continues to use "but the Holocaust" as a laminated carte blanche for every atrocity the IDF wishes to commit. (There is a bit of a strawman in there but that's another topic for another time.)

I have met exactly zero people in between. I know it is not about me and/or my feelz. And I don't love "both sides"ing US politics either. The discourse is polarized and will remain so.

strange, because everyone I personally know is in between on this issue.

Same!

I request a less callous thread title as well.

It's a complex and difficult, tragic situation and people are hesitant to speak up ok this kind of thing with good reason.

Chotiner and Sari Bashi, the program director at Human Rights Watch:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-humanitarian-catastrophe-in-gaza

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W43C8xhh5E

Sam & Emma interviewing Omar Shakir, Israel & Palestine Director at HRW this morning

I made a new thread
Israel, Palestine & the Levant rolling events: Oct 23 on