The strawman of the white, DJ Shadow/Jurassic 5 loving, university student hip-hop fan

I liked J5 for about a week, then forgot they existed for a couple of years. my favorite J5 "moment" was when i was taking trash down to the dumpster at my old apartment and happened across a stack of Power By Numbers LPs sitting atop a bag, in totally pristine shape (along with a few LP copies of a Tupac zombie comp). I think I netted about 50 in trade for them later that night.

OTM I reckon.

People used to hate Miami Bass. Now they love it.

People used to love sample based Hip-Hop (some with harsh lyrics, some without). Now they hate it.

Whatever.

Hip-House is the music of the future. Arrested Development will undergo a critical reevaluation then too.

did he quit returning your emails?

Once Rakim hit, there was a division where some were very focused on lyrics, while others still wanted raw beats (not to say Eric B's beats aren't raw, but there was a difference).

This is how the NYC vs. Down South thing started, and NYC acts would have riders in their touring contracts saying they would not play a show with anyone from down south.

Then Outkast hit in 1993, and the tide slowly turned.

The sad thing is, not the acts that once perpetuate this, but the audiences who buy into it all (which includes me, to some degree).

God help us.

Because we will be very very old and very very irrelevant.

Happy New Years!

when i was 13, i painstakingly (and badly) copied the awesome AD logo onto the cover of my school folder, like so many before me. and i have to say, i have no regrets...

as for shadow and j5, i found shadow amazing in 97, and bought the j5 album for cheap in 98, and thought it was fun. it was fun. i was in "college", and im white. i dont know anyone who still carries both these torches to this day tho.

also, "alphabet aerobics" was a pretty good tune! i know its not j5, but whast the difference?!

because most of those kids like this stuff too

Maybe I'm wierd, but I have a frriend who loves Dexter Gordon (as do I) and also loves ELO (whom I abhor) yet somehow this hasn't turned me away from Dexter Gordon. Or my friend, for that matter.

Last summer, Fast Eddie performed to a packed club here in Toronto. Never say never.

deej said it upthread: it's boring, not wrong. White hip-hop fans who only enjoy music by white artists is a whole other thread.

The next two projects will be (i) a solo album from Wu-Tang affiliate producer Bronze Nazareth who recently produced tracks for RZA, GZA, Masta Killa, Immortal Technique and Black Market Militia and (ii) a solo album from long time Wu-Tang affiliate LA the Darkman/Embassy Entertainment.

Maybe I'm just out of touch (I haven't really followed Hip-Hop closely since 1996), but from what I remember, those Hip-Hop fans who liked J5 in the beginning were either from the golden age, or at least saw J5 as the extension of it in the face of the Puffy Daddy era.

On the other hand, I never was a fan of DJ Shadow for the most part. I know he becomes furious when the term Trip-Hop gets affixed to his name, but yeah, white, lyriciless, slow, and boring to my ears...sounds like Trip-Hop (sic) to me (or whatever term people apply to that sound now).

Point being, I had many friends at the time who were bedroom DJ's that were exclusivly into that Ninja Tune/Mo Wax sound, and they bought into J5 w/o looking at the remainder of what I thought was part of the Hip-Hop canon.

Maybe that's what this thread is saying?

Either way, Native Toungues, and their fallout, have always been on of the facets of Hip-Hop that I love, despite some peripheral audiences it may've attracted.

this type of thinking is really rampant in hip hop fans. it's not necessarily "writing off huge parts of rap and hip-hop music as being without worth". it could be that all that other hip hop just doesn't appeal to them. would one make the same statement if someone liked, say, just the white stripes and radiohead or whatever but didn't care for chuck berry or the rolling stones or lynyrd skynrd or funkadelic? why, if you say like hip hop, do you have to like ALL hip hop? it seems like an extension of the "i'm more real/true to this" than you line of thought.

It's like this for me...

I never liked much rock music until these past 5 or 10 years. I don't have context the way rock fans do...so when the Strokes came out, I loved it...but my rock friends were like "no no, they're so derivitave."

But their newfound interest in Hip-Hop is the same thing...they like plenty of the newer commercial stuff I feel is lame, and I point them to the classics and explain the context.

Am I smug? I'd take J5 over 50 Cent, and I was part of this Hip-Hop thing since it came out on record. They're plenty of people who have given me Gang of Four lessons telling me to steer clear of The Bravery (whom I've never heard as a result).

"I wish I had a mic"

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The distasteful thing to me is if you start describing what you like as "real hip-hop" and that you don't like "rap" even if that's exactly what you're listening to. A lot of these "white, DJ Shadow/Jurassic 5 loving, university student hip-hop fan[s]" say they listen to hip-hop, not rap. It's the same situation as those cats who only like gangster rap who say anything that doesn't talk about clothes, bank roles, and hos isn't "real" either.

And I'm sure there are a ton of other people out there who listen to "real rock", "real country", and "real drum 'n bass". I find those people weird for the same reason.

Also, I like Shadow, RJD2, and J5 and even if that was the only hip-hop/rap you listened to, I'd still say that person liked "real hip-hop". I'd just take offense when they start describing Warren G as being without worth.

I actually must give some credit to pitchfork (heaven forbid) on actually speaking the truth that J5 must be one of the most borning bands on the planet, and that there are sum mainstream rappers with actual talent. The many-alt hip hop is just as negative as the gansta rap... if i hear one more time on how j5 is gonna take us back to the day.....!!!!

i'll let my good friend from outkast sum up 4 me
"met a critic, I made her shit her drawers
She said she thought hip-hop was only guns and alcohol
I said "Oh hell naw!" But yet it's that too
You can't discrimi-hate cause you done read a book or two"

T-minus 18 months to Arrested Development revival, y'all!

-- Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 20 May 2006 19:18 (2 years ago) Link

:( RIP

Early attempt at trolling here, not really a classic.

Needed more steampunk

also needs to not be based on a previously professed love for j5

Firstly, yes, I like Jurassic 5. Woo-fucking-hoo.

Dom you said "I'm seriously interested on this one, and I have no real answers. Do discuss." and now you say it was "Early attempt at trolling here, not really a classic." How will we ever know if you are being disingenuous in the future?

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I'm seriously interested on this one, and I have no real answers.

^^^ An obsessive interest in researching scandal/gossip that's happened in the past, manifesting itself as revivals of old threads to highlight some post or statement that's supposedly funny or o_0 or whatever.