Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

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Whats everyones reasons for hating them? Particularly interested in the views of Americans.

― John McAteer, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

The guy sings like a muppet.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

Hes a 90s sting. he's Smug. Yuppie music. Hes boring. People who like terrible bands like Counting Crows and Phish like him. The amount of people who wear suits and work in banks/accountancy firms and like DMB is like 99% urgh. Theres Sooo many. But i'll leave that to others in the thread.

― Jimmy Corkhill, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

The amount of people who wear suits and work in banks/accountancy firms and like DMB is like 99% urgh.

Hey now, there's no need for slander.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

dang, you beat me to the punchline, h.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

that F*CKING charelston-type dance he does. AAAAAAHHAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!

and that f*cking "hike up your skirt a little more, and show your world to me" is so misogynistic, hateful, smug aaahaaajhahdsdsa;dfdsal!!!!

he needs to die, and I say this kind of thing rarely.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

Which Muppet btw? If Animal was in them they would be so much better.

― Jimmy Corkhill, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah, I forgot about his fetishization of black musicians. really, can we get a UN resolution to kill him!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

[warning: deliberate flamebait imminent]:

but without black people, he wouldn't be funky!

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

Any real or musical reasons to hate him? He does all sorts of music. Acoustic stuff, does good improvisational stuff, is great live, has respect of fellow musicians like sting,peter gabriel, allanis,sheryl crow,Meredith Brooks,Counting Crows,Santana. All the mebers are great musicians. And the actual songs are good.
He wouldnt have such a rabid cult fanbase if he wasnt any good. The likes of Britney would love to work with him.

― John Mcateer, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

Which Muppet? Why Eddie Vedder, of course!

I don't know about this whole fetishization of black musicians thing, though.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

Which Muppet btw?
You better not say Roosavelt Franklin! (That's Lenny Kravitz)

Just thinking of why I hate DMB is almost as tedious as his music. So I have no answer because I can't be bothered to think of one.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

Any real or musical reasons to hate him?

Again, I hate his voice, he sounds like a muppet.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

When I used to live in C'ville he stole my table at a sushi restaurant. I was really hungry too.

― Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:48 (10 years ago) Permalink

He spawned that John Mayer and that HORRIBLE "Your Body Is a Wonderland" which really is a crime against humanity.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

Just the whole combination of being so very very uninteresting and yet being so widely worshipped, is the main reason.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

Least we witness all the unviersity students forming bands to sound JUST like him. And they all suck too.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

The likes of Britney would love to work with him.

"Your choice, Ms. Spears -- the Neptunes or Dave Matthews?"

"Hmmm..."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

"Any real or musical reasons to hate him?"

Sure, plenty. The production is empty and lifeless with no surprises or innovative ideas, his vocal style is grating and cloying, I hate that "funky acoustic guitar strumming" thing he does, and on and on.

"He does all sorts of music."

This is not a virtue in and of itself.

"Acoustic stuff"

So?

"does good improvisational stuff"

No. Only if you consider hippie-jam-band technique to be "improvisational". (I do not).

"is great live"

Never seen him.

" has respect of fellow musicians like sting,peter gabriel, allanis,sheryl crow,Meredith Brooks,Counting Crows,Santana."

I don't respect a single one of those people - the endorsements are empty.

"All the mebers are great musicians."

Technically proficient /= great.

"And the actual songs are good."

Nope.

"He wouldnt have such a rabid cult fanbase if he wasnt any good."

That's what people said about Hitler.

"The likes of Britney would love to work with him. "

And this is of importance why?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

I remember reading an interview with him once where he was talking about how much he loved oral sex and how he could survive by just drinking/eating? the fluids of women. I say eeewwwwwww? I mean oral sex is a-ok in my book but between his comments of bowel movements and just the thought of his big assclown head shoved between some poor woman's legs...shudder.

― Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

group named after its leader is usually bad. Dave Matthews is such a nothing name to begin with. We like to call them/him the "Dave Matthews," just as it's fun to refer to the "Medeski, Martin and Woods" or the "Sonic Youths." Or for that matter the "Ya La Tengos, they are my favorite band!"

― Edd Hurt (delta ed), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

sum-41 video to thread!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

"He wouldnt have such a rabid cult fanbase if he wasnt any good."

I KNEW the fraternity system is a cult!

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

So, I'm the only person on here that really likes the Dave Matthews Band, then?

― Evan (Evan), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

No no no.. We all love him.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

right. this is all constructive criticism here, we just want him to be EVEN BETTER. or better yet, something else.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

because hippies like him and i hate hippies.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

>or better yet, something else

like dead.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

Or mute.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

it's for his own good

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

and ours too.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

he sucks, huh?

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

I never understood all the 'Sounds like Hootie & The Blowfish and Sting" stuff. he sounds like neither. And its not like DMB has stolen any songs off him. DMB songs dont sound like anyone elses. Especially Hootie & The Blowfish.
Crash Into me and Space Between are 2 of the best songs written in recent years. Something Sting, Hootie or any of ILMers fave pop or indie bands could write(in my own personal opinion of course) I dont want to start fights. I just dont understand why he is so hated. But maybe thats because hes unknown over here in the UK. Most Americans seem to have an opinion on him.

― John McAteer, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

like a vacuum.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

Something Sting, Hootie or any of ILMers fave pop or indie bands could write

John Darnielle and Momus -- please write songs like Dave Matthews.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

McAteet: even the Dave Matthews fans I know think the Space Between is awful; why do you think he eventualy released the lillywhite sessions - becuz all his fans were bitching about how awful everyday (and in particular the space between) was. Dave Matthews came from the same circuit as Hootie and has the same fans, the only difference is that Darius Rucker has a better voice than Dave Matthews and they made the mistake of having their first album be an impossible to followup megaseller. I doubt there's a single article on the Dave Matthews from 95 that doesn't paint them as the 'new' Hootie.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

...they made the mistake of having their first album be an impossible to followup megaseller.

To play devil's advocate (heh) for a second - how could they have "controlled" sales of their first alb?

― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

Ping Pong's first track was about as deep as it needs to be, now just extend it seven minutes with bongos and play it at the appropriate speed for bong hits.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

...but without black people, he (Dave Matthews) wouldn't be funky!
Dave Matthews...funky.
I'm sorry, but this does not compute. Those two ideas are mutually exclusive.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

To play devil's advocate (heh) for a second - how could they have "controlled" sales of their first alb?

... Get Dave Matthews to sing on it.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

hstencil - by not writing such incredible songs of course! take a cue from Axl (he pulled "Don't Cry" from Appetite to save it for the followup) and spread the love!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

seriously, the label should've put the kibosh on videos and singles much earlier; same thing happened to alanis.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

not sure that's the band's fault, esp. one as yokel-filled as Hootie. "Yes, Mr. A&R Man, anything you say!"

― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

Just don't put the Kibosh on me!

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

The-guy-who-was-fired-from-Rolling-Stone-for-dissing-Hootie to thread

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

but Horace Mann's already here!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

you think DeRogatis has the spare time to be...4th on the Users list?
Geez, am I lame.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

Hey...where is this users list? You got me curious.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm sure Dave Matthews and his band are perfectly nice guys, but y'know what? Their music is fucking * B O R I N G *.....which is, as far as I'm concerned, a worse crime that sounding like a muppet (which I don't hear at all). Dave Gedge of the Wedding Present sounds like Muppet, and I loved them. Dave Matthews Band (and...really, couldn't he have come up with a decent name for the band at least?) are just dull, dull and thrice verily dull.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

Oh, and I *REALLY* hate their fucking fans as well.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/20/us/politics/20edwards.html?_r=1&hp

In the proposal, which The New York Times examined, Mr. Young says that he assisted the affair by setting up private meetings between Mr. Edwards and Ms. Hunter. He wrote that Mr. Edwards once calmed an anxious Ms. Hunter by promising her that after his wife died, he would marry her in a rooftop ceremony in New York with an appearance by the Dave Matthews Band.

― Mr. Que, Sunday, 20 September 2009 15:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

― ice cr?m, Sunday, 20 September 2009 15:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

reasons why i hate dave matthews:

1. his voice
2. his band

― brotherlovesdub, Sunday, 20 September 2009 15:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

Dave Matthews: really a decent guy

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/21/qa.dave.matthews/index.html

― so says i tranny ben franklin (HI DERE), Monday, 21 September 2009 17:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

needs a bump?

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 18:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

has anyone ever suggest banned someone for liking dmb or a band they dont like?

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 19:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

Dave Matthews is seriously underrated on ilx. Kinda like "should I give grateful dead a chance?" lolz. People on some serious issues in this place

― I'm the best maaaayne, I did it (CaptainLorax), Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:49 PM (4 hours ago)

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― Evan, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 21:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

I'm from germany. DMB is not widely known around here. I gotta say I think DMB is a great band. I don't know what's going on with the american fans, then again I don't care, because I don't judge a band by its fans (frankly that would be just plainly stupid).
Anyway I was wondering about some of the DMB bashing in american media and googled around, that's how I ended up here.

If you don't ban me for having a different opinion or for digging up this thread, I'd be happy to find out what music you DMB haters listen to (if there is still anyone out there who remembers this thread). Maybe someone could give a counter example to DMB's supposed blandness?

― choo, Monday, 14 December 2009 16:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

you do it

― being being kiss-ass fake nice (gbx), Monday, 14 December 2009 16:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ah I'm sorry I meant maybe somebody could name a band which is not as bland as DMB.
So I can figure out what you mean, I'm just curious

― choo, Monday, 14 December 2009 16:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

― mookieproof, Monday, 14 December 2009 16:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

wait are you just asking what ppl like on a board called I Love Music?

― being being kiss-ass fake nice (gbx), Monday, 14 December 2009 16:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

I asked what DMB haters listen to.
Maybe DMB haters defines the board, maybe thats your joke.
Mainly I want to know what you mean with bland.

As for Excepter, that is certainly an interesting choice. Very experimental music.
I find it hard to compare it to DMB, but it is certainly more original and unexceptional music than dmb.

― choo, Monday, 14 December 2009 16:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

DMB haters listen to Excepter, exclusively

― jazzgasms (Mr. Que), Monday, 14 December 2009 16:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

What makes you think you will be banned? I may not like DMB but that's no reason to dislike you, I say welcome to ILM! and I hope you dig around the rest of the board and join in. There's even an introduction thread somewhere in the archives. Also tip to new person, click on new answers. I think i was here a year before I found out about new answers page. Only noticed when we relocated from greenspun. <end of embarrassing admission>

― Pfunkboy : The Dronelord vs The Girly Metal Daleks (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 14 December 2009 16:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

Introduce Yourselves!

There's one on ILE too
Is There an ILE Introduce Yourself Thread?

― Pfunkboy : The Dronelord vs The Girly Metal Daleks (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 14 December 2009 17:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

Thank you for the warm welcome, I'll be sure to stick around :). I was not serious about that banning stuff. I was refering to the post above my first one (by Evan), seems like someone was suggest banned.

@jazzgasms duh sarcasm confuses me hurr

― choo, Monday, 14 December 2009 17:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

hurr

― jazzgasms (Mr. Que), Monday, 14 December 2009 17:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

It's so aggravating how many people fall for Dave Matthew's fake singing. Thank god his bull is not on the radio as much as it was a few years back! He'll write a 3 (or so) note melody that is actually rather convincing and tuneful, but then he drives it in the ground, repeating it relentlessly until we all just want to say "please, make it stop!" Beyond the 3-note refrain melody, though, everything else is shit--just random unrelated notes that any kindergarten child could write. He might as well come up with those notes by drawing them out of a hat. Then he either whines or whispers them, and everyone thinks he is passionate and sensitive. People seem to think he has a nice voice. I don't get it: since when does closing off the throat until a duck-like quack emerges considered beautiful singing? Please make it stop, Dave Matthews!

― Steven, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

Happy thread anniversary plus six days.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

has anyone heard his new cover of kashmir

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

kash into me

― tylerw, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

what is like a good dmb album i like hte songs i kno

― plaxico (I know, right?), Thursday, 18 February 2010 00:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

― Don't delay, we cannot do this forever. (Matt P), Thursday, 18 February 2010 00:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

under the table and dreaming is ok

― Don't delay, we cannot do this forever. (Matt P), Thursday, 18 February 2010 00:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

dmb would be better if he hadn't gone back in time and stole john mayers voice and made it look like John ripped his off...

― Ballistic, Thursday, 18 February 2010 00:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

thats weird that u would say that

― plaxico (I know, right?), Thursday, 18 February 2010 01:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

has anyone heard that bootleg of him jamming with vernon reid and ikue mori? have to admit, it's got me thinking twice about DMB.

― by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 18 February 2010 01:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

What the HELL does it sound like??

― Ork Alarm (Matt #2), Thursday, 18 February 2010 01:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

cult of ants marching

― Ballistic, Thursday, 18 February 2010 01:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

ikue mori jams?

― plaxico (I know, right?), Thursday, 18 February 2010 01:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

what woulda been really awesome is if diamanda gala sang over it

― Ballistic, Thursday, 18 February 2010 01:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

and lil wayne (since he obviously wants to appear on every recording evar)

― Ballistic, Thursday, 18 February 2010 01:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

none of the Dave fanatics stuck around on the board did they?

― lukevalentine, Thursday, 18 February 2010 03:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

from last night: dancing to dave matthews

― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 02:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

9 months pass...

has the critical reappraisal of DMB on ILM started with that poll?

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 25 March 2011 20:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

As I sit on my couch recovering from last week's surgery and reacquaint myself with ILM after a looooong hiatus, I'm reminded that this thread (especially the first fifth) is surely a high-water mark of Western civilization.

― Clarke B., Wednesday, 25 May 2011 21:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Ok... his voice is like nails on a chalkboard and he is gay

― Jordan Bass, Saturday, October 18, 2003 5:33 PM (7 years ago)

―  (am0n), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 21:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

6 months pass...

this thread ain't so big now

― corportate/Illuminati controlled (crüt), Friday, 3 February 2012 10:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

never forget

― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

Which is WORSE: What Would You Say vs. Zombie

― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

Dave Matthews is one of rock's most underrated Pretty Complex Dudes – as horny as Lil Wayne, as troubled as Thom Yorke, able to growl "war is the most vulgar madness" like the American Sting he's always sort of been. He's got a beige-Baja-shirt rep and a black-turtleneck soul.

The first DMB record in more than three years (and the first in over a decade produced by Steve Lillywhite, who helmed their mid-Nineties albums) serves up the Matthews magic in all its musically tight, emotionally bumfuzzled splendor: from the sex-as-food funk-pop romp "Belly Belly Nice," to the relationship SOS "The Riff," where Matthews sings, "I don't know the man living in my head/If I don't know the woman sleeping in my bed," to op-eds against political apathy like the fragilely beautiful "Mercy."

Lillywhite's sympathetic production and the rich band interplay, steeped in New Orleans R&B, lithe jazz fusion and nimbly driving jam rock, make for uncluttered songs that at times recall Clinton-era glories (the elegant slow build of "Mercy" is just a hacky-sack flip away from 1996's "Crash Into Me"; it could've soundtracked the shit out of a Friends montage).

And yet, this is no nostalgia trip back to the quad. Even songs that luxuriate in strummy romantic escapism take midlife head-on: "I'm too old to wanna be younger now," the 45-year-old sings on the gingerly intimate "Sweet." He wears his grown-'n-grumpy honesty like a champ.

3 1/2 stars

― omar little, Sunday, 16 September 2012 05:14 (8 months ago) Permalink

the sex-as-food funk-pop romp "Belly Belly Nice,"

― omar little, Sunday, 16 September 2012 05:15 (8 months ago) Permalink

Has this guy hit the stage in his career now where even his fanbase don't really care about a new album?

― don't slip in mud (Matt #2), Sunday, 16 September 2012 07:57 (8 months ago) Permalink

Clinton-era glories

― catbus otm (gbx), Sunday, 16 September 2012 17:28 (8 months ago) Permalink

I remember reading that story about when his tour bus showered a boat in the Chicago River with sewage several years ago and thinking "ah, there's a metaphor for his entire career".

― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Sunday, 16 September 2012 20:39 (8 months ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

Art!

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2013/03/06/dave-matthewss-second-act-silkscreen-painting/

...great.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:17 (2 months ago) Permalink

emotionally bumfuzzled splendor.....

― m0stlyClean, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:24 (2 months ago) Permalink

alcohol-infused orange juice

― Donkamole Marvin (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:29 (2 months ago) Permalink

this is no nostalgia trip back to the quad

― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:44 (2 months ago) Permalink

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