― Je4nn3 Æ’urÂ¥ (Je4nne Fury), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― veronica moser (veronica moser), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link
corgan wasn't involved in heaven tonight in any way. it's a love/erlandson composition, and it was courtney's idea to pay tribute to cheap trick by that reference.
― jonfromsweden, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link
"Playing Your Song" = the most "Live Through This" song on the album. LOVE IT.
Her enunciation of "FUCKIN' WONDERFUL" proves she's a great singer.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 16:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― jonfromsweden, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 16:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― jonfromsweden (jonfromsweden), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― gr3k0, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link
i think it's just that she's so scatterbrained that she has a new emotion every five seconds, or she can find a variety of different emotions in one stock "mood" (how many people ever only feel DEPRESSED when they're sad? no, they feel sarcastic, wistful, mad, confused, occasionally exhilarated).
The only thing I recal thinking about this song is that it was a knockoff of "He Hit Me (And It Felt Like A Kiss)."
it took me many years to admit this, but i like it more than "he hit me." it feels more vulnerable, not quite so glib and arch in its irony.
― jbr not logged in, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link
Well, smackdown to me, then :-D
I still think it's a great song.
― Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― jonfromsweden (jonfromsweden), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― jonfromsweden (jonfromsweden), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link
sure! I love the whole record, why not. "Reasons.." has the "miles and miles of perfect skin" line in it, and a Pavement reference and "When the fire goes out you better learn to fake/It’s better to rise than fade away." so great.
perhaps it's that they're pitched at a place where sunniness and suicidal depression can co-exist more easily
I think it's basically.. the 90's was all about boys on the radio caught in, uh, downward spirals and Courtney's saying, stop, enough of this! (I agree.) I don't find it nihilistic in the least - all the references to passing moments & fading away are more.. acknowledging that & moving on, really. Never been a fan of Billy Corgan but he seems totally stuck in that old melodrama.
― dar1a g (daria g), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:26 (eighteen years ago) link
xpost
― Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link
I agree: her lyrics are often exemplary. Compare the how-do-you-like-me? celebrity games of the title track with Nirvana's "Serve the Servants" and the latter just seems sour and enervated.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link
Not specifically, but her witty unpredictable's been discussed in a few other threads...
TS: "Malibu" versus "Simple Kind of Life"ts: courtney vs brodywhy do people on ILM hate "live through this" ? Who are the great lyricists of today?
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:51 (eighteen years ago) link
Stolen from a late 80s/90s L.A. band featuring Don Bolles, wasn't it?
― eek, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― PRIVATE HELL 36 (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link
-- jonfromsweden (jon.la...), March 14th, 2006.
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and i just noticed i used the word "great" two times too many. -- jonfromsweden (jon.la...), March 14th, 2006. (jonfromsweden)
The remix:i'm amazed too. and happy. this is a truly grebt album and to see this grebbt discussion, eight years later and without any focus on courtney love's public persona but all about the music, is grebbbt.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link
Almost 100 posts in, too. This place is weird without Alex in NYC...
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link
I've only heard a couple of songs on Celebrity Skin, so I won't try. I prefer Autobiography to I Am Me, though I like the latter quite a lot; and when Mikael Wood reviewed Autobiography he said that basically it was this decade's Live Through This, so maybe I won't like Celebrity Skin quite as much as I like Live Through This.
(But Autobiography actually has much more of a spring in its step than Live Through This Has does. Autobiography explicates the pain so as to dance free of it. On Live Through This, the pain is a big part of the dance. As it is on the title song of I Am Me.)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link
I think you will enjoy Celebrity Skin, then.
― Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 22:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― PRIVATE HELL 36 (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― dar1a g (daria g), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link
I also love the other spin on the line darla quoted from "Awful": "It was punk, it was perfect, now it's awful!"
No-one's ever really explained to me the Tori/Courtney/Trent mythology behind "Professional Widow".
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― jonfromsweden (jonfromsweden), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 09:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― anthony, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― anthony, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:16 (eighteen years ago) link
http://vintagestars.com/river/SoundsSingles.html
― jonfromsweden (jonfromsweden), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 12:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:02 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:fudgyl2jxpnb
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link
(Now I go offline.)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link
(Now I really go offline.)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― Je4nne Æ’urÂ¥ (Je4nne Fury), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 18:37 (eighteen years ago) link
this is the version from the "malibu" single:http://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0AYM1QNQ19PMP0GD4PN43QP3JJ
― PRIVATE HELL 36 (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link
doubt it. I used to be a Tori fan, as I remember she was singing about herself again in "Widow", stuff like playing in DC piano bars ("gonna wipe a tear/make him feel like a Congressman") to being an LA rock chick quasi groupie etc. She did say it wasn't about Court. though it was great when 90's alt rock was a ridiculous soap opera - if there's a Tori song about that, it's "She's Your Cocaine."
As for Hole, the early version of "Boys on the Radio" was LTT era song "Sugar Coma" introduced sarcastically as being about a couple different people and w/alternate title "I Slept with the Devil".. this was on a truly excellent Unplugged show back in 1995. the whole performance is a treat and Courtney's in top form. sorry, I totally geeked out over Hole back in the day and I'm still wishing she'd get her act together and put out more records..
― dar1a g (daria g), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link