2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

The Lysergic Acid Diethylamidiotic Joe Biden & Sarah Palin VP Presidential Debate thread in the 2 zero zero 8 (2008 party over oops)

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I love the talent and intelligence of the Obama/Biden ticket, but nothing won me over more than how these two men treat their families. It is my firm belief that anyone who can hold their families in the proper priority, who can openly display love with one's wife and children as both Barack and Joe have displayed, who show respect to others despite fundamental differences is the right ticket to lead this country. I can say without a doubt that if they were republicans, I would still vote for them - for that reason. Their respect for life and humanity is evident in how they treat their families and I feel that they would both approach the awesome responsibility of the office of POTUS and VPOTUS with as much respect as they approach their roles as husbands and dads. I trust my family's future in their hands - because of how they treat their own. These are good, decent, smart, loving people and I hope that America rises to the occassion this November.

probably talked about already hahaha

The New Yorker's official endorsement.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/10/obama_passing_the_reagan_thres.html

Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. famously said of Franklin Roosevelt that he had a "second-class intellect, but a first-class temperament." Obama has shown that he is a man of limited experience, questionable convictions, deeply troubling associations (Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, Tony Rezko) and an alarming lack of self- definition -- do you really know who he is and what he believes? Nonetheless, he's got both a first-class intellect and a first-class temperament. That will likely be enough to make him president.

Is that Krauthammer?

yah

an alarming lack of self- definition -- do you really know who he is and what he believes?

how the fuck are they still pushing this

No mention of last night's debate in his article. The debate = a wash.

It was filed before the debate.

Well, at least I read it on the WaPo's site around 11 pm.

wow hoops, i mean if you don't chalk his response up to not listening to the question he really sounds diabolical in that clip.

deeply troubling associations (Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, Tony Rezko)

i get why this line is pushed for propagand-ish purposes but i dont believe that conservative 'thinkers' are genuinely worried about any of these aside from Wright - they must realize how little Ayers and Rezko have actually been involved w/ Obama's worldview, right??

They are not genuinely worried about any of them.

i believe they genuinely find jeremiah wright's beliefs to be 'radical' and are genuinely concerned that behind obama's calm persona he secretly harbors some of those 'radical' beliefs, and i believe this genuinely concerns them.

if gwb had gone to david duke's church (NOT MAKING A CASE OF EQUIVALENCE HERE) then we would be rightly concerned, and i think GOPers probably see Wright's worldview to be as equally radical (no matter how ludicrous that is)

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/3/1101/88031/113/618217

play for Maine an indication that the best they can do is try to break a tie?

indication concession

deeply troubling associations (Abramoff, Hagee, Kissinger...) Whatever.

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9082/grimaceud3.jpg

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/10/03/surveyusa_mccain_inches_ahead_in_minnesota.html

outlier? CNN poll earlier in the week had Obama up 12

Yeah, that's gotta be an outlier. The breakout for the Twin Cities has Obama only up by 3 (47-44), which seems wrong.

Meghan O'Rourke OTM

The breakout for the Twin Cities has Obama only up by 3 (47-44), which seems wrong.

Obama has performed worse there than anywhere else throughout SUSA's polling. their definition includes the burbs, which are Republican.

Mine Workers Protest Anti-Obama Ad (filmed at a mine for the NRA)

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/02/mine-workers-protest-anti-obama-ad/?ei=5070&emc=eta1

http://www.laborarts.org/exhibits/iron/images/p10.jpg

fdr otm

R2000: 51-40
Rasmussen: 51-44
Battleground: 50-43
Gallup: 48-43
Diageo: 48-42

Gallup is 49-42 as of today.

ha, I wonder if Palin's accent alone is worth a couple of points in Minnesota. She sounds exactly like my aunts (all of whom are DFLers tho btw).

I would think the more she sounds like you the more of an insult it becomes

I don't think it's very common for someone who has a heavy accent or dialect to ever be comfortable with it, especially women.

People avoid tape recorders more than they avoid mirrors.

So, ergo, someone who share's Palin's accent might be turned off from her.

I only wish I had Bill Clinton's accent, but he was raised in the southern part of the state while I was raised by Yankee puppets on "Sesame Street".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7651249.stm

so

how come the "John McCain isn't a maverick, he's a sidekick" line didn't get picked up as a stump line? That's one of the few lines I really remember from the DNC.

Any body check out Sean Quinn's remarks on Missouri on 538 today?

That's an interesting post. The interesting thing is that Obama showed everybody how to do it on a national level in the primaries, but McCain's people didn't learn the lesson for the GE.

ok what??

Old flame cited as part of McCain's Latin experience

http://www.miamiherald.com/americas_conference/story/711991.html

Sen. John McCain's senior foreign policy advisor cites a steamy romance 50 years ago with a Brazilian babe among the things that illustrate the candidate's decades-long interest in Latin America.

Speaking at an Americas Conference panel discussion Friday on the next U.S. president's Latin American policy, McCain advisor Richard Fontaine started out by mentioning an old Brazilian flame of McCain's, who recently emerged in the press.

''Talking a little about his personal experience, he was famously born in Panama and has traveled all over the hemisphere for many years.'' Fontaine said. ``In fact, I saw, I guess it was last week, that his old girlfriend in Brazil has been found from his early days when he was in the Navy and was interviewed. She's a somewhat older woman now than she was then, but it sorta speaks to the long experience he has had in the region -- in the most positive terms.''

Fontaine was referring to former model Maria Gracinda Teixeira de Jesus, who recently gave an interview to O Globo saying the former sailor was quite the kisser. According to McCain's memoirs, `Faith of My Fathers,` they met in 1957, when his ship, the USS Hunt docked in Brazil.

''I called him John but also my darling and my sweet coconut,'' she said. ``He was a great kisser. I liked it so much that I bought a book to learn how to kiss myself.''

via tpm

UGH GOD THIS FUCKING GUY

this campaign cannot actually be happening

of all the stories to get out in front of, and of all the ways to get out in front of a story...

"uh there's some old brazilian model the senator balled way back, she wrote a book."
"foreign policy? can we go with that? ok, let's go with that."

McCain knows Latin America...biblically

I wonder if he supported early withdrawal back then. . .

wait how did I miss that mccain had a dude on his bus named Dick Fontaine

For her part, Teixeira said McCain wasn't just good at smooching. She recalled details of their Rio romp and how she'd pick him up in her turquoise blue Cadillac El Dorado convertible. McCain's book remembers it being a Mercedes Benz.

''He was not only a good kisser, he was good at everything,'' she said.

The former beauty queen recalls

MEME MEME MEME MEME

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at that story

McCain knows Latin America...biblically

lol

"''He was not only a good kisser, he was good at everything,'' she said."

He knew how to win a war even then.

''He was not only a good kisser, he was good at everything,'' she said.

http://www.tlntv.com/sopranos/cast/castimgs/JuniorSoprano-.jpg

hahahaha

remember how wacky it seemed that a guy like gwb was gonna be president

i cant believe the degree to which this election has surpassed 00 on every level

You misunderestimated the Maverick.