those are the only two categories of subject matter in the entire world, by the way, i'm pretty sure
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 January 2013 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
xp Of course it's not exactly a revolution but the pendulum swings back and forth, especially when there are big staff changes. A while back, possibly in an understandable spirit of post-landfill detox, Everything Everything or their equivalent wouldn't have been on the A-list, and Nick Grimshaw is clearly a pro-new music choice. It seems daft to pretend that it's the same as it ever was - every sector of the music industry goes through different phases.
Tracer, if you think I'm saying daytime Radio 1 should be breaking completely unknown bands then sorry, I haven't explained myself very clearly. Obviously the specialist shows are the conduit.
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 4 January 2013 17:41 (eleven years ago) link
(NB the music he was championing was mostly terrible but hey)
Well you can say what you want but it won't change my mind...
― sktsh, Friday, 4 January 2013 17:48 (eleven years ago) link
haha dorian i think i got so worked up that i missed that part where you admitted that idea was the poptimist brigadoon
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 January 2013 18:02 (eleven years ago) link
surprised to find that its pronounced 'Hyem' and not 'Hame' courtesy of this interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKHwDHaVv9w
― piscesx, Saturday, 5 January 2013 11:10 (eleven years ago) link
it's "hime"
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 5 January 2013 12:49 (eleven years ago) link
although on front row yesterday the presenter did repeatedly say it as "HI-yem" and was audibly uncomfortable every time she did
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 5 January 2013 12:50 (eleven years ago) link
confusing for Hiem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYlfGOai310
― piscesx, Saturday, 5 January 2013 13:54 (eleven years ago) link
refuse to believe this group werent named and pronounced after corey haim before some mortified label intern stumbled upon creatively bankrupt newish chillwave/post-AnCo bands whose names are just '80s ephemera
r1 playlist discussion is interesting, mdc makes a persuasive perhaps inarguable case for same as it ever was but when you're beaming a vibe into people's heads, which is what radio is, then smoke & mirrors shifts in tone actually do have conferring value. a few years ago the feeling was very much the moylesy you like this, we don't get it but w/e it's only music, now it's all rah rah in new music we trust yoof enthusiasm
you do also get little things tbf, 'aaliyah' didnt have to be c-listed for example
mdc otm re haim themselves, ithappens otm re the utterly pathetic and mindless "r&b" marketing
― r|t|c, Thursday, 10 January 2013 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
Pretty sure everything that isn't straight-out rock music or Mumford & Sons now has to marketed as "R&B-influenced" by law.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 10 January 2013 16:52 (eleven years ago) link
Corey Haim should be pronounced hi-yem too you know
― Jamie_ATP, Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:23 (eleven years ago) link
i know i'm blowing some minds here
IT'S NOT PRONOUNCED HI-YEM, GAWDDDDD
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
has the new Dan Lissvik remix been posted anywhere? http://www.thelineofbestfit.com/new-music/blog/listen-haim-x-dan-lissvik-send-me-down-115804 p nice
― Bill Goldberg Variations (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 12 January 2013 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
i don't know but props to piscesx for anticipating their name change to all-caps
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 13 January 2013 00:05 (eleven years ago) link
I can't let go of this absurd, meritocratic, utopian ideal - which never existed - of radio programmers hearing a really good catchy song and playlisting it without worrying about where it fits in. It's the poptimist Brigadoon.― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, January 4, 2013 10:04 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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i think if ILM will have made one important contribution to the world, it will prove to be the phrase "poptimist Brigadoon"
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 23:09 (eleven years ago) link
creatively bankrupt nJewish chillwave/post-AnCo bands whose names are just '80s ephemera
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 23:12 (eleven years ago) link
(correction)
also isn't it pronounced hy-em as in "l'chaim!"
also also, in re. dan's point about siblings harmonizing beautifully, exhibit A:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70NTMplUlfw
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 23:15 (eleven years ago) link
also chairlift is a good point of comparison but i feel caroline has some kind of art-school visionary thing going on that's absent from haim.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 17 January 2013 00:24 (eleven years ago) link
i'm relieved at the total absence of art-school visionariness going on w/HAIM, it's one of the things i like best about them
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 17 January 2013 10:40 (eleven years ago) link
We have 6music on the office and both 'I Belong In Your Arms' and 'Don't Save Me' were both playlisted and consequently played like six times a day. The Haim song definitely made people prick up their ears here in a way the Chairlift song didn't.
I quite like 'I Belong In Your Arms' but it's one of those 'great pop songs' that's filtered through an 90s indie disco prism, and yeah the art-school thing, whereas the Haim song bypasses all of that.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 17 January 2013 10:53 (eleven years ago) link
I am totally onboard with this lot now by the way, I think it was hearing 'Slow Me Down' that did it.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 17 January 2013 10:55 (eleven years ago) link
That's a really good point - the old dichotomy of "perfect pop" vs actually popular pop. I love both so I sometimes have problems realising which is which.
― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 17 January 2013 11:01 (eleven years ago) link
guys this is fresh
https://soundcloud.com/haimtime/haim-send-me-down-dan-lissvik/s-c7OL8
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 17 January 2013 15:56 (eleven years ago) link
Not mad about that remix, which reminds me too much of 80s Euro summer holiday disco hits for comfort. I kept expecting them to burst into La Dolce Vita.
― Manfred Mann meets Man Parrish (ithappens), Thursday, 17 January 2013 17:22 (eleven years ago) link
that is pretty poppy for lissvik! love it.
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Thursday, 17 January 2013 17:42 (eleven years ago) link
Lissvik has definitely been out raving more of late, his Mungolian Jet Set remix is really upbeat as well.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 17 January 2013 17:43 (eleven years ago) link
i didn't mean to set up a competition b/t haim and chairlift, much less some kind of "perfect pop" vs. actual pop debate. there's room for both. caroline from chairlift is whip-smart in a way that codes, i think, as precocious and a bit arch and that persona/sensibility is something you can sense even in "i belong in your arms" and probably keeps it from being genuinely as opposed to semi-popular.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 17 January 2013 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
ah the old "whip-smart"
― r|t|c, Thursday, 17 January 2013 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
???
does that read as sexist or something?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 17 January 2013 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
would you prefer "smart as a whip"?
i mean i'd describe, i dunno, hal hartley the same way.
Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?
― Matt DC, Thursday, 17 January 2013 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
Don't Save Me feels like its coming from a similar place to Francis and the Lights, of whom I am a stan.
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Thursday, 17 January 2013 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
although emotionally more flat and less unhinged
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Thursday, 17 January 2013 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
more hinged?
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Thursday, 17 January 2013 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not sure I need much beyond Don't Save Me, but that new Lissvik mix is pretty cool imo.
― Two days left to vote in the ILM End of Year Poll! (seandalai), Thursday, 17 January 2013 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Thursday, January 17, 2013 9:45 AM (40 minutes ago)
hurting i cant remember if ive ever seen a wdyll of you or not but whenever you post i picture you as a dude who looks like francis, albeit one w/ less dramatic hair
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Thursday, 17 January 2013 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
that's not a far fetched description of me
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Thursday, 17 January 2013 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
maybe slightly less dramatically svelte also
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Thursday, 17 January 2013 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
xp I referred to a man as whip-smart in a piece the other day. I've never thought of it as gendered in the way that "sassy" is.
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 18 January 2013 10:48 (eleven years ago) link
I sort of do. cf "Sharp as a tack".
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 18 January 2013 11:00 (eleven years ago) link
I basically only hear it used about women, and usually attractive women. I always detect a slight "you'll never guess, she's intelligent as well, I'm so proud of her!" in the term.
― Matt DC, Friday, 18 January 2013 11:19 (eleven years ago) link
fit as a butcher's dog
― owenf, Friday, 18 January 2013 14:22 (eleven years ago) link
I've never read any gender association into either "whip-smart" or "sharp as a tack", though the term "whip-smart" now always makes me immediately think of Liz Phair.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 18 January 2013 14:29 (eleven years ago) link
likewise
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 January 2013 14:32 (eleven years ago) link
yup.
― whose black line is it anyway? (how's life), Friday, 18 January 2013 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
i just thought "whip-smart" was a cliché rather than a specifically gendered cliché
― lex pretend, Friday, 18 January 2013 15:10 (eleven years ago) link