al ship's top 50 pop singles of the 00s -- which is your favorite? (other than SUBG)

Not a great list. Toxic by a mile.

― daavid, Friday, May 6, 2011 10:32 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

and you

i'm smhing at your SOUL whiney

I voted Bad Romance. Just seemed like something I would do.

i'm allergic to maroon 5 but a pretty solid top ten otherwise. (i also like a good deal of these more than SUBG)

50. N Sync - "Pop"
49. Kelly Clarkson - "Walk Away"
48. Fergie - "Clumsy"
45. Christina Aguilera - “Fighter”
43. The Veronicas - "Untouched"
42. Dido - "White Flag"
40. Dream - “He Loves U Not”
37. Paris Hilton - "Nothing In This World"
34. Ashlee Simpson - "La La"
33. Avril Lavigne - "Sk8er Boi"
30. Fergie f/ will.i.am - "Fergalicious"
28. The Pussycat Dolls f/ Snoop Dogg - "Buttons"
27. No Doubt - "Hella Good"
24. Demi Lovato - “Don’t Forget”
22. Kelly Clarkson - "Breakaway"
18. Fergie - "London Bridge"
17. Hilary Duff - "Come Clean"
16. Shakira f/ Alejandro Sanz - "La Tortura"
14. Nelly Furtado - "I'm Like A Bird"
13. N Sync - "Bye Bye Bye"
10. Christina Aguilera - "Beautiful"
9. Madonna - "Don’t Tell Me"
7. Avril Lavigne - "Complicated"
6. Britney Spears - "Toxic"
4. Lady Gaga - "Bad Romance"
3. Vanessa Carlton - "A Thousand Miles"
2. Kylie Minogue - "Love At First Sight"

^^i'll actively rep for all those songs - that's quite a lot, which makes this a strong list in my eyes. "toxic" is one of the lesser numbers in there, tbh.

with pop it's always obvious which are the "approved" songs it's "okay" to like, whether because they became pop culture monoliths through sheer force of commerce or because of dodgier indiecrit reasons - but the fact that people have such kneejerk reactions is really proof that basic antipathy towards pop and its perceived unartisticness/shallowness has never gone away

also why take out "since u been gone"? that is also towards the lesser numbers in this list imo

because ILM is massively, disproportionally in love with that song

it's not even the best single off its parent album!!!

hey i thought i'd be the only one voting for Dido but apparently not. my list wouldn't look much like this but it's alright.

i mean it is very very good obv but when i see the disproportionate love i always wondered whether those people had ever heard another kelly clarkson song (or just another chart pop song, really)

it's not even the best single off its parent album!!!

― lex pretend, Friday, May 6, 2011 11:10 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the point wasnt to remove the best songs, iirc

Kelly was omnipresent during this time period; I think it's safe to say everyone who heard SYBG has heard at least 2 or 3 other Kelly Clarkson singles

i always wondered whether those people had ever heard another kelly clarkson song (or just another chart pop song, really)

we're all listening to bob dylan

i wonder if al shipley has heard any other chart pop songs

50. N Sync - "Pop"
36. Ricky Martin - "She Bangs"
27. No Doubt - "Hella Good"
16. Shakira f/ Alejandro Sanz - "La Tortura"
13. N Sync - "Bye Bye Bye"
10. Christina Aguilera - "Beautiful"
8. Black Eyed Peas - "I Gotta Feeling"
7. Avril Lavigne - "Complicated"
6. Britney Spears - "Toxic"
1. Kelly Clarkson - "Since U Been Gone"

^ i dunno, probably somewhere in there?

ha thanks for starting the thread k3v! i was hoping j0rdan would start a thread but my pride wouldn't let me ask him to or do it myself

even though i had another thread with a similar exclusion -- the Dr. Luke hits poll (no "Since U Been Gone" allowed) -- i kinda wish SUBG was an option, just in keeping with the other threads on these lists

i don't know what to smh at first

― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, May 6, 2011 6:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

my impression of your taste is that you don't much like this kind of music at all and there's not much point in defending any choices to you, is there?

Top Ten:

2. Kylie Minogue - "Love At First Sight"
43. The Veronicas - "Untouched"
17. Hilary Duff - "Come Clean"
3. Vanessa Carlton - "A Thousand Miles"
28. The Pussycat Dolls f/ Snoop Dogg - "Buttons"
4. Lady Gaga - "Bad Romance"
5. Maroon 5 - "Makes Me Wonder"
40. Dream - “He Loves U Not”
6. Britney Spears - "Toxic"
27. No Doubt - "Hella Good"

11. Sara Bareilles - "Love Song"

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=77&threadid=65327

actual vote is 4 'come clean' but kinda lol @ putting 'i gotta feeling' above 'london bridge' - i mean i get it, the former culturally a bigger deal & has become a staple in a way that 'london bridge' never cld but damn if that latter is just so fukken bonkers better

in early drafts "London Bridge" was higher than "I Gotta Feeling," was kind of a last minute change and i won't necessarily defend it

i think both those songs blow so

overall i like prob a 3rd of these to some degree or another? maybe a lil more than that. not complaining

N Sync - "Bye Bye Bye
Britney Spears - "Toxic"
Lady Gaga - "Bad Romance"
Kylie Minogue - "Love At First Sight"

like/love these. voted Kylie. not a strong list imo

i will say there are a whole bunch where i would pick another song by the same artist

"Glamorous" > "Fergalicious" = "Clumsy" > "London Bridge"

Not a great list.

― daavid, Friday, May 6, 2011 6:32 PM (2 hours ago)

not a strong list imo

― gospodin simmel, Friday, May 6, 2011 9:26 PM (1 minute ago)

not to be defensive, but i am curious what exactly this means -- in comparison to the other lists i've done for other genres, in comparison to what your personal top 50 would be, etc.?

"Glamorous" is great too, kind of lost a coinflip in the 'ok i'm gonna just have three Fergie singles instead of four'

i like to hear what omissions people prefer, name names!

i think - moreso than with your rap or r&b lists - the fact that you actually engage fully with this kind of music and have your own unique taste and approach to it means your list is going to be personal and throw off others who would just prefer the canon. you got similar reactions to your rock list iirc

not to be defensive, but i am curious what exactly this means -- in comparison to the other lists i've done for other genres, in comparison to what your personal top 50 would be, etc.?

most of yr other top 50 lists felt like a better overview of the genres they were covering even granting the fact that theyre expressions of personal taste this one is too scattershot & its interpretation of 'pop' is probably too narrow

also most of the songs are just really terrible so

what would be a broader interpretation of 'pop' though? what artists did i give the shaft?

actually, and i'm not going to go to your other lists to back this up but, i'd bet you have more repeat artists on this list than any other one? seems kind of light on novelty hits too, which is probably what most people expect when they're about to read a pop list

yeah there's definitely a lot of repeat artists here and it's very much a product of my favorites and biases, i will cop to that. i'm just curious what definition of contemporary pop (not counting stuff on the other lists) could make this list seem 'narrow,' just because for me Norah Jones and All-American Rejects and the Shakira and Feist and Fergie and Dido span a pretty wide spectrum.

well you couldve included more old ppl/lol yuppie pop - 'leave your boyfriends behind' charted didnt it? or that irish piano ballad - but its also weird that stuff like 'gold digger' or 'crazy' doesnt 'count'. theres also all the pop country trax that were giant hits idk looking at the billboard top 100 for the last decade so many of the songs were covered in yr rap & rnb lists so, sure, youre drawing from a narrower pool.

really the biggest exclusion were sorta-indie trax that seemed to 'cross over' imo

sugar ray

Feist was kind of my token representative for indie crossover -- how many other examples of that are there, though, that wouldn't have fit better on the rock list?

I like this list. Off the top of my head my own list probably would include:

Britney Spears - Born To Make You Happy (00s by a whisker)
Backstreet Boys - Shape Of My Heart
Taylor Swift - "Love Story" and "Tim McGraw"
Justin Timberlake - Rock Your Body
Jessica Simpson - A Public Affair (and maybe "I Think I'm In Love")
Kylie Minogue - The One
Daniel Bedingfield - If You're Not The One
Madonna - Get Together
Blue - If You Come Back In My Life
Mandy Moore - I Wanna Be With You
Shakira - Objection (Tango)

Probably wouldn't please Lamp though. I'm not sure why - given the nature of the some dude's previous lists - people would expect this to be "broader".

jason mraz - the remedy
stacir orrico - more to life
michelle branch - everywhere
santana ft rob thomas - smooth / santana - maria maria / santana ft michelle branch - game of love
pink - you make me sick
any number of taylor swift singles

oh & every other sugar ray single

"Someday" is the only other big '00s one though

there'd be at least one or two T-Swift songs on my country list

well taylor swift & coldplay were kinda the biggest exclusions (other than kanye) in my mind but this is not really ~important~ to me or anything. the list is both more jarring & less comprehensive imo but i get that there are self-imposed constraints acting to potentially cause that, & that its also inherent in trying to outline a more amorphous 'genre' like pop

mostly i just think a lot of these songs suck, so yeah

"never let you go" - third eye blind

kanye? xp

rough top 15

1. vanessa carlton - a thousand miles
2. hillary duff - come clean
3. fergie - london bridge
4. maroon 5 - makes me wonder
5. no doubt - hella good
6. avril lavigne - sk8r boi
7. pink - so what
8. britney spears - toxic
9. veronicas - untouched
10. sugar ray - when it's over
11. n sync - pop
12. lady gaga - bad romance
13. pink - who knew
14. avril lavigne - complicated
15. feist - 1, 2, 3, 4

oh yeah coldplay durr

"Someday" is the only other big '00s one though

right -- substitute for "every other maroon 5 single"

damn those santana singles are so sick

yeah there's a lot of stuff here i can't fault anyone for hating tbh, half these are songs that my wife will look at me sideways if she catches me listening to them

had Coldplay on the rock list since they still get played on alt stations a fair amount, unlike Maroon 5, etc. (xpost to Lamp)

yeah "smooth" ! xp

matchbox 20 - "bent"

jordin sparks - tattoo

la roux - bulletproof

yes let's focus on the artistry of hilary duff

limp bizkit had some dope singles fuiud

if my day just keeps going this way i just might break something tonight \(^o^)/

some dope guilty pleasure singles, yes.. all of which were released between 98 and 99

Limp Bizkit had MTV and rock radio sewn up, but never really got top 40 burn iirc.

voted christina beautiful

13. N Sync - "Bye Bye Bye"

i'm looking at limp bizkit's wiki page and i'm shocked at how less popular they were than i thought. they never went platinum? "rollin" topped out at 65, "my way" at 75, and "nookie" at 80? why is my perception of their popularity so distorted?

― the buttonmasher, the party crasher, the forget-my-lotion skin rasher (k3vin k.), Saturday, May 7, 2011 1:05 PM (2 hours ago)

Wikipedia:

Chocolate Starfish and the Hot Dog Flavored Water is the third album by Limp Bizkit, released on October 15, 2000 through Interscope and Flip records. It debuted at number one on the Billboard 200, selling 1.05 million copies in its first week,[2] and was the 18th best-selling album of the 2000s in the US.[3]

According to the RIAA website, the album has sold over 6 million copies in the United States alone as of 2008 and an overall 12 million worldwide.[4] It features the singles "My Generation", "Rollin' (Air Raid Vehicle)", "Take A Look Around", "Boiler", and "My Way".

after all the talk upthread about Coldplay etc. not being here because they were on the rock list i thought it went w/o saying that they were on another list (twice!): al ship's top 50 rock singles of the 00s -- which is your favorite?

it's extremely rare for any hard rock/nu-metal band to have top 40 hits no matter how big they are, unless it's w/ a power ballad (which the Bizkit didn't really do)

oh haha well there you go

i have no idea what makes something like that "rock" or "pop" or whatever, same with train who i also love

it usually depends on which chart a specific song charter or how high if it had cross format success

as far as al's exercise goes

true

don't tell me

great list!

hella good
hot n cold
who knew
bad romance
white flag
toxic

i would've voted for any of these instead of hella good:

maneater
what goes around/comes around
too little too late
no air
mariah carey's "obsessed"
sean kingston's "beautiful girls" (yeah i know, i'm a douchebag...)
all american rejects "swing swing" (actually in all fairness, I probably would not have voted for this, same goes for "no air")

oh yeah, and

say it right

Pretty surprising how similar this list is to the one I would create, I count somewhere between 15 and 20 that would be in my own top 50 pop singles of the 00s. I actually voted for "Come Clean" here, though it's close between that, "Love at First Sight", and "Bye Bye Bye"

it's extremely rare for any hard rock/nu-metal band to have top 40 hits no matter how big they are, unless it's w/ a power ballad (which the Bizkit didn't really do)

True, but I think they might've done a bit better if digital sales had existed when they were popular.

yeah, maybe

"Swing, Swing" was on my rock list, to kind of underline how ridiculous it is that it appeared on rock charts but "Move Along" did not.

she bangs

OBVIOUSLY

no other song is NEARLY AS FAST

148 bpm

"Un sabor animal...
Me aguo la boca entre miel y sal"

la tortura. by some distance.

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i'll go to bat for a few of these, ranked favorites:

2. Kylie Minogue - "Love At First Sight" - awesome, one of her best
4. Lady Gaga - "Bad Romance" - likewise
13. N Sync - "Bye Bye Bye" - enjoy this a good deal
50. N Sync - "Pop" - just a shade below "bye bye bye" but still good
9. Madonna - "Don’t Tell Me" - like this alright, but not even close to a Madonna top 25

the rest of these are almost uniformly yawn/zzzzzz or total shit.. though to be fair, i've not heard maybe 10 of them

worst song here is probably dido "white flag"

voted Kylie

the rest of these are almost uniformly yawn/zzzzzz or total shit.. though to be fair, i've not heard maybe 10 of them

those 10 are amazing, you should listen to them

basically i only take criticism on this list from people who i'm pretty certain CAN name 50 songs they like within the parameters of this list. ilxor and whiney can kick rocks.

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"don't forget" deserved better

42. Dido - "White Flag" 3

fuck outta here

really boring winners

"fuck outta here" because "white flag" is too low? surely that, it's a great song, and dido's calm demeanour belies what's actually a completely mental lyric

Correct winner ftr.

well "love at first sight" is okay, i guess

It's possibly the finest piece of disco-pop of the 00s, what is better than it in that vein?

"come into my world" off the same album? britney's "anticipating"?

Both great, but no.

I think there is a certain air of absolute joyful plenitude and completeness and can-this-be-happening ecstaticness that a lot of disco-pop/house-pop anthems aspire to and that "Love At First Sight" actually nails.

Something like "Come Into My World" is going for a different vibe of escapist dreaminess (closer to "Can't Get You Out Of My Head", though that's slightly different again).