My thoughts/questions were always about the more obvious and icky bodily functions.
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dennis, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link
I grew up in the south.
― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link
I have no interest in NASCAR though. Watching corporate logos go in a circle for a couple hours is not my idea on entertainment.
― Zebra, Alpha Go! (cprek), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link
I don't notice the sponsorship of basketball and baseball so much (though I hate selling the naming rights to city/state-financed stadiums), until the owners are dumb enough to plaster logos on uniforms. I'd probably be more turned off if I saw them live more often.
I don't think the gearhead factor is that big anymore - the 'cars' they race (Monte Carlos, Ford Tauruses or whatever the new equiv. is) aren't very cool. I'd say the chance of a wreck and the general bumpin-and-grindin is the major drive behind watching the sport.
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dennis, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link
You could say the same about bullfighting and rodeo.. although the degree of visual "wow"-ness associated with a crash can be seen as disturbingly obfuscating of the tragedy thereof... although this is something people *outside* the sport get more excited about when they see it in the news while those into the sport actually get sad about, I'd gather.
And I stress "I'd gather". Again, I've never even sat through a car race on TV once in my life... so I'll defer to the NASCAR people here instead to explain this.
― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:25 (eighteen years ago) link
I can see hardcore fans disliking wrecks (even while unconsciously liking the danger), but the casual fans who make up most of the audience are looking for excitement, which is served by crashes, and something that's often missing from F1.
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link
Me too and me too.
― luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link
I do get a kick out of some of the old footage circa Lee Petty. Some drivers would be in convertibles.
― laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:41 (eighteen years ago) link
is there any cultural phenomenon that doesn't have naysayers like that? cf. the yakuza, black metal.
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ian Riese-Moraine's exploding hamster zeppelin! (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― adam (adam), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ian Riese-Moraine's exploding hamster zeppelin! (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― -rainbow bum- (-rainbow bum-), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link
That said the best race last weekend was F1, especially the last lap. From a purist's perspective F1 is probably the most interesting class, but to anyone who doesn't follow auto racing it has to be the most boring. It's all strategy and technology, barely any passing. Speed here in the USA has some great announcers, even if they are Coulthard haters.
― zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link
Does Depends have a NASCAR sponsorship program?
In the meantime, my brain balks at the idea of auto racing as a sport, because it doesn't seem to demand physical strength or endurance. However, I probably here am subscribing to a high-rockist concept of sports.
― j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link
I haven't watched a whole lot of NASCAR for the last few years, or racing at all, for that matter. I'll watch the road course races and the restrictor plates, and occasionally Bristol, but that's it. NASCAR is suffering from the same problem baseball did in the 70s: every facility is the same. That, and there should be more than two road races.
Formula 1 has been abyssmal for quite a long time now, with exciting races coming 3-4 times a year in between long droughts where the winner leads 69 of 72 laps and has a 19 second lead on the competition. This year is slightly more exciting than others, because there's a different face with a commanding points lead instead of Schumacher. The IRL and CART both race some terrible street circuits (Detroit? yuck) and bad ovals, and really, they shouldn't even run ovals (sans Indy) due to how incredibly dangerous it is for racers and spectators. I love WRC, but that'll never get any interest in America, seeing as its all in a time trial style rather than actual "side by side" racing. Drag racing is really loud, but not horribly interesting. The other, smaller series basically are in the place of community theater or high school football for local entertainment.
On the whole "people watch it for the accidents" - Yeah, that's something people who don't watch or have interest in car racing say. Its akin to "people watch boxing for knockouts" (because Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard were so good at that), "people watch football for the violence," et al. Trying to understand why people like to watch cars go around a track in circles or freeform shapes is no different than trying to figure out why people like to see other people try to hit a stick with a ball or throw a ball through a hoop.
― Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:41 (eighteen years ago) link
Most importantly, why?<
I should actually respond to this too.
Basically, it goes like this; throughout the history of racing, team owners have looked for ways to make money in ways other than merely the race purse. After all, there's no guarantee of winning, and no guarantee of getting paid. Unless you scratch someone's business on the side of the car. There's always been sponsorship in motorsport; whether it be factory teams at Le Mans or Indy, or some car dealership on the Beach in Daytona, to Craig Breedlove's Spirit of America having a Shell symbol emblazoned on the side. The Winston Cup and other major sponsors were the first to enter around the 70s (Pepsi, Levi Garrett, Budweiser, Wrangler, etc), and the number and types of sponsors has changed as the sport moved outside of its traditional southeastern US roots to a national audience.
The management of NASCAR itself also tries to cater to its audience, which is, for all intensive purposes, the Red State America (TM). Taking points away from a driver for cursing on national TV isn't a whole lot different than being threatened with banishment from the game for complaining about referees, so really its not NASCAR that has itself changed; its everything. Hell, ever watch Premier League? I have a strange hankering to get a wireless deal with Vodafone, all of a sudden...
― Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link
Does Juan Pablo Montoya count?
― giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:52 (eighteen years ago) link
I don't think it's out of line to say that people watch football for the big hits and hockey for the hits and fights too (or else ESPN has been completely wrong for 20 years). Basketball and baseball are low-contact/no-contact sports, so people watch for the big thrill there - a monster dunk or a monster home-run (also: bench-clearing brawls). The majority of people watching a sport, any sport, don't know much about it - they aren't hardcore, into the sport for its pure essence, etc..
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link
Notice that the more weight he gains, the worse he does. By the time he hits 250, he'll be racing for Minardi.
― Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:55 (eighteen years ago) link
Eep!
― giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link
There's a huge difference, as I pointed out above. You can fine Jeff Van Gundy all you want, but his punishment won't actually affect the points earned during the game. It's not like Dwayne Wade can earn a technical foul for saying "shit" on camera, after the game.
This difference is what makes NASCAR seem so candy-assed.
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link
using these shots as an example, I wouldn't say fat *yet*. But maybe by Malaysia.
― Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 21:04 (eighteen years ago) link
This is a good commercial. Someone said it was DJ not Shadow, the other one.
― felicity, Thursday, 19 June 2008 19:47 (fifteen years ago) link
You know, from the 90s but not as good. Oh yeah, Spooky.
i gave my parents a nascar-related item because it also involved something they like. i kept a picture or two tho.
― gabbneb, Thursday, 19 June 2008 19:55 (fifteen years ago) link
AP says Tony to run his own team, possibly picking up Newman
― gabbneb, Thursday, 10 July 2008 02:04 (fifteen years ago) link
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/tom_bowles/07/11/obama/?eref=sircrc
awesome/finally
― gabbneb, Friday, 11 July 2008 18:59 (fifteen years ago) link
i actually sent them an email recommending Kvapil's car. I'm sure these things are related.
― gabbneb, Friday, 11 July 2008 19:04 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispers/2008/7/8/jimmie-johnson-says-nascar-fans-arent-alike-but-will-choose-mccain.html
― gabbneb, Friday, 11 July 2008 19:10 (fifteen years ago) link
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Update_Obama_passes_on_NASCAR_sponsorship_0712.html
― gabbneb, Saturday, 12 July 2008 17:04 (fifteen years ago) link
Samsung Instinct NASCAR application, as demonstrated at Mashable.
(video commentary by yours truly)
― felicity, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 01:13 (fifteen years ago) link
i got this guy for my parents' collection
http://web.mac.com/ben.gardner/iWeb/Site/Animals_files/P1000080.jpg
― gabbneb, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 04:37 (fifteen years ago) link
...
― Surmounter, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 14:03 (fifteen years ago) link
I was watching the driver view during practice and everything looked familiar and I realized I dropped many quarters into Indy racing at Coney last weekend and I was all I KNOW YOU, MANG
― gabbneb, Saturday, 26 July 2008 20:41 (fifteen years ago) link
TS: Dover (or New Hampshire) + Mets-Phils vs. Richmond weekend + Mets-Braves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICi3kIzSIZg&feature=related
― gabbneb, Monday, 28 July 2008 15:15 (fifteen years ago) link
Got any questions for Casey Mears? I'm interviewing him tomorrow.
― felicity, Monday, 25 August 2008 21:41 (fifteen years ago) link
NOPE
― deeznuts, Monday, 25 August 2008 21:42 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, who's his candidate?
― gabbneb, Monday, 25 August 2008 21:50 (fifteen years ago) link
I'll ask.
― felicity, Monday, 25 August 2008 22:48 (fifteen years ago) link
I suppose I'd ask him for his view on the cheating scandal with Joe Gibbs Racing. Also what he thought of Junior Johnson's reply at: http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar/cup/columns/story?columnist=hinton_ed&id=3548448
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 25 August 2008 23:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Also, is he going to race the 24 Hours of Daytona again?
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 25 August 2008 23:15 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, I'm totally going to ask him about the cheating. It's so blatant. I want to know if their attitude is like "LOL U BUSTED" or U Jerk.
― felicity, Monday, 25 August 2008 23:20 (fifteen years ago) link
Hey, good question about the 24 hours of Daytona, too. Thanks!
― felicity, Monday, 25 August 2008 23:33 (fifteen years ago) link
so why is McDowell still in this series?
i may be going to dover next weekend. how do i go about getting one of those scanner thingies? is there a kind to get? and what do i do with it? does it serve the earplug function?
http://thepage.time.com/mccain-pool-report-3/
― gabbneb, Monday, 15 September 2008 03:31 (fifteen years ago) link
http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news;_ylt=AgFc04FXc_dVtMgcEScu94nov7YF?slug=bm-edwards091108&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
On the subject of politics, Edwards had very strong opinions. When the subject turned to the current presidential election, he offered no direct endorsement of one candidate over another.
“People are smart, and they know the difference between what’s best for them and what’s not,” Edwards said. “I think they know who turns things around and who is telling the truth.
― gabbneb, Monday, 15 September 2008 11:25 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't cuz it preempted The Simpsons!!! Why is it NEVER the other way around?????? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....................
― Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 2 March 2009 01:43 (fifteen years ago) link
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dCpO-e3yyp0/TqlSidQ5WcI/AAAAAAAAAe8/0Cpvfxb3qyU/s400/tony-stewart-GC.jpg
Tony Stewart in high school.
― earlnash, Thursday, 1 March 2012 02:53 (twelve years ago) link
surely some mistake!
― ^ enlightening post (sarahell), Friday, 31 January 2014 09:58 (ten years ago) link
wtf
― Come and Heave a Ho (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 August 2014 11:25 (nine years ago) link
The NASCAR driver known as "The Outlaw" testified Tuesday he believes his ex-girlfriend is a trained assassin dispatched on covert missions around the world who once returned to him in a blood-splattered gown."Everybody on the outside can tell me I'm crazy, but I lived on the inside and saw it firsthand," Kurt Busch said when his attorney, Rusty Hardin, questioned why he still believed Patricia Driscoll is a hired killer.
"Everybody on the outside can tell me I'm crazy, but I lived on the inside and saw it firsthand," Kurt Busch said when his attorney, Rusty Hardin, questioned why he still believed Patricia Driscoll is a hired killer.
amazing
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 15:56 (nine years ago) link
Lol rain delay
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Sunday, 16 February 2020 20:44 (four years ago) link
i saw that Ryan Newman crash and was worried it was gonna be some Russell Phillips shit but the dude walked out of the hospital today. pre-Earnhardt he'd probably be dead.
― omar little, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:22 (four years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/dLzS5qL.jpg
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 15 June 2020 00:17 (three years ago) link
I don't like how much I like and appreciate NASCAR now that they banned the traitor's flag and Dale Earnhardt Jr. basically said "Black Lives Matter". As someone else stated, "You know you're living in the wrong timeline when the right-wingers get Harry Potter and the left-wingers get NASCAR."
― We Live as We Dee, Alone (deethelurker), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 02:05 (three years ago) link
Not the thread starter one might have expected.
― onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Tuesday, 10 November 2020 07:40 (three years ago) link