The Stooges vs. Black Sabbath

I wanna reach out and touch this guy.

touch: "shake hands" or "strangle"?

I know I got slightly gnarly on you on the Sublime thread, but Ned rly you're one of my favorite ILXers!

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Funhouse is a better album than anything Sabbath did, but just counting the original version of Sabbath, they did a whole lot more really killer music. The first Stooges album is cool, but it really a padded EP and Raw Power is a bit different sounding band when you add in James Williamson.

love em both but I voted stooges. sabbath has more songs I like, more albums I like, more consistent albums, I care way more about bands inspired by sabbath, the list goes on... but I just like funhouse more than any sabbath record. or most other records period. had to go with my heart.

― Alan N, miércoles 15 de octubre de 2008 20:59

duh. You're supposed to be voting for the best band in the poll not the best record.

the moment of truth is nigh!

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You knew it. You just knew it. Anyhoo, a fantastic read throughout. Props to Shakey for setting it off.

why does ILM hate metal?

when exactly did Funhouse achieve this "OMG THIS IS THE BEST ALBUM OF ALL-TIME!!!!" status? Was it when the box set was released? Cuz I mean its fun and all (haha) but I really do not understand the reverence in which it is held.

or is ILM really just a bunch of art fags (which would seem to be the case when the majority opinion is VU>>>>Stooges>>>>Zeppelin>>>>Sabbath)

Iggy keeps the company of David Bowie; Black Sabbath have no friends.

I don't want to literalize this fascinating point too much but did Ozzy-era Sabbath ever hobnob with anyone noteworthy on a regular basis? I don't know their story too well. Which leads to my next question: what's the best Sabbath bio? (I searched but came up with nothing on ILM.)

"when exactly did Funhouse achieve this "OMG THIS IS THE BEST ALBUM OF ALL-TIME!!!!" status?"

Uh when it was released?

oh come on Funhouse didn't sell shit and the critics hated it when it was released

i don't know what you're bitching about, this is a pretty close poll

plus funhouse is better

"oh come on Funhouse didn't sell shit and the critics hated it when it was released"

Fine 1977 then. Either way it's been acknowledged to be a classic since I've been paying attention to music.

I've just always assumed that the Stooges only gradually accrued iconic status primarily due to being trumpeted by later generations of punk bands and their offshoots (the Germs, Henry Rollins, Sonic Youth, etc.) Certainly my first exposure to the Stooges was via Sonic Youth covering "I Wanna Be Your Dog" at the end of set in the late 80s

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er "live sets"

and mostly I'm complaining about Sabbath not winning a single poll they've been in so far! Which just seems wrong for such an important band. And I've voted against them in a couple of those polls!

maybe you should put them up against shittier bands

I voted for them in plenty of these polls. Just not this one.

Or the Hawkwind one.

Lot of votes here. Who were the first punk bands to cover the Stooges? Sex Pistols with No Fun or the Damned with I Feel Alright? I think I've seen bootlegs with the Damned doing I Feel Alright in 1976 but I guess the same could be true of the Pistols. Not that it matters or anything.

Was there a VU one? I wouldn't have voted for them in that one either.

Well these threads have been great just for seeing the Paris 1970 footage

shakey you should demand satisfaction and start the stooges vs zeppelin poll

eh I feel that was well covered by that first four albums poll

hey at least they beat Alice Cooper right? I'm pretty sure they'll lose to Hawkwind, which I also can't really get behind, and the Who too.

velvets vs. sabbath

Who vs. Sabbath

Sabbath vs. Hawkwind

Black Sabbath vs Queen

Taking Sides: Sabbath vs. Hawkwind

BLACK SABBATH VS. ALICE COOPER POLL

They tied with Hawkwind.

haha whoops didn't notice that one had closed

That was a tough poll, but I pull out Space Ritual and Warrior On The Edge Of Time a lot so I felt obliged to vote for Hawkwind.

These vs Sabbath polls made me Suggest Ban for the first time

shakey voting straight sabbath ticket from here on in

my votes:

velvets vs. sabbath - couldn't actually make up my mind, didn't vote

Who vs. Sabbath - sabbath

Sabbath vs. Hawkwind - sabbath (but hawkwind over motorhead)

Black Sabbath vs Queen - sabbath

Taking Sides: Sabbath vs. Hawkwind

BLACK SABBATH VS. ALICE COOPER POLL - can't remember, wanted to vote alice but probably ended up voting sabbath

now I feel bad for not voting against the Who...

"when exactly did Funhouse achieve this "OMG THIS IS THE BEST ALBUM OF ALL-TIME!!!!" status? Was it when the box set was released? Cuz I mean its fun and all (haha) but I really do not understand the reverence in which it is held."

"oh come on Funhouse didn't sell shit and the critics hated it when it was released"

critics (almost) always liked the stooges. and funhouse has been pretty OMG BEST ALBUM for years and years. and i agree with all hype and hyperbole. i think it's one of the best "things" ever made. completely successful as powerful music, a work of art, fun, and all that. one of the greatest achievements of the 70's. in any genre or field.

that is a hell of a lot of votes

Creem was the culprit for me; reading article after article about Osterberg and pals in 1980/'81 convinced me to give Funhouse a try.

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biglurks contrast lyrics of crazy train and butt town thx

"Which leads to my next question: what's the best Sabbath bio?"

Martin Popoff did a phenomenal one. It's easy to find, I saw it in Borders the other day. Full of great rare pictures, it is one of the best rock books I have read.

I like Funhouse, but it's not the religious experience it's made out to be. Master of Reality on the other hand.....

My first exposure to FunHouse was the box set. I got it as a freebiee (I've told the tale a few times as to why), but I did feel like I made the album along with them.

So, I guess it was a religious experience for me.

You're the dude that got two of them for free, right?

And thanx, Bill!

critics (almost) always liked the stooges. and funhouse has been pretty OMG BEST ALBUM for years and years. and i agree with all hype and hyperbole. i think it's one of the best "things" ever made. completely successful as powerful music, a work of art, fun, and all that. one of the greatest achievements of the 70's. in any genre or field.

not sure a majority of critics loved the stooges in '69/'70... even bangs hated funhouse the first time he heard it! but yer 110% OTM after that.

I didn't end up voting, but in spite of my spirited defense of sabbath above I probably would've leaned towards stooges cause they sound like FREEDOM. it's weird, but sabbath are too hung up on christianity. the stooges are pagan - beyond morality, animals.

plus if I voted stooges would not have had 69 votes which is its own kind of poetic justice

i guess sanity prevails. i don't particularly like either band though. but at least the dinosaurs lost.

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stooges first show: 1967
sabbath first show: 1968

unless you're talking about who sounds more like a lumbering behemoth, I don't think you can say the dinosaurs lost

I don't know if I've ever seen a poll with this many votes.

I meant "dinosaurs" as in relevance.

The Stooges at least inspire some worthwhile bands to this day.