Best 90s electronic music duo (non knob-twiddlers edition)

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A companion piece to this poll.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Mouse on Mars 12
LFO 11
The Orb 11
Drexciya 11
Basic Channel 10
Burger/Ink 5
Masters at Work 5
4 Hero 5
Lamb 3
Moloko 1
Nightmares on Wax 1
Shut Up & Dance 1
Air Liquide 1
Krüder & Dorfmeister 1
Westbam & Jankuhn 1
Hardfloor 1
Jam & Spoon 1
Hidden Agenda 0
Ultra-Sonic 0
Technohead 0
Alter Ego 0
Secret Knowledge 0
Origin Unknown 0
Krome & Time 0
Eat Static 0
Charly Lownoise & Mental Theo 0


Tuomas, Monday, 2 April 2012 22:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

Lamb vs moloko vs mouse on mars

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Monday, 2 April 2012 22:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Dreeeeexciya

tanuki, Monday, 2 April 2012 22:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Alex p and Brandon block m8

I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Monday, 2 April 2012 23:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

This grouping is much weirder than the last!

Tim F, Monday, 2 April 2012 23:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

basic channel or drexciya

sisilafami, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 00:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

voted mouse on mars over drexciya, shout out to masters at work

balls, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 00:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

Basic Channel over Drexciya, both super classic tho obvs

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 3 April 2012 00:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mouse on Mars are the only ones I live full albums by here.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 05:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

hot and brothered (Eric H.), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 05:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

moloko

lex pretend, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 07:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

LFO vs 4hero vs The Orb vs Krome & Time vs Origin Unknown vs Drexciya

I can't do this

Chris S, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 07:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mouse on Mars definitely belong on the other poll, an appalling omission. Considered LFO but that one guy left so nah. Anyway I don't really care about any of these, apologies.

God arrives for the apocalypse, having been traveling at the speed of (ledge), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 09:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Drexciya.

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 09:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Nightmares on Wax weren't a duo were they? Thought it was just George 'EASE' Evelyn

groovypanda, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 10:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

burger/ink for 'las vegas' like stuff from everyone here though

pagan diskow (Crackle Box), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 10:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

las vegas is srsly amazing, it's on spotify and that

pagan diskow (Crackle Box), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 10:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ive always preferred 00's solo stinson Drexciya but its still a fierce submarine battle with basic channel

straightola, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 10:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

L? F? O?

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 11:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Nightmares on Wax weren't a duo were they? Thought it was just George 'EASE' Evelyn

It was a duo of Evelyn and Kevin Harper for their first singles and first (and best, IMO) album. But I forgot Harper wasn't on the following records anymore (except for the "Dredd Overboard" single), so I guess it's a matter of opinion whether they should be in this poll.

Considered LFO but that one guy left so nah.

They were a duo for their 90s recording career, though. You shouldn't let post-90s stuff affect your judgement here.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 11:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok i will allow you in your mind to add any LFO or MoM votes here to the other poll.

God arrives for the apocalypse, having been traveling at the speed of (ledge), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 11:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Btw, those of you who know Alter Ego only for "Rocker", I would strongly recommend checking out their 1996 album Decoding the Hacker Myth (despite its awful title). It's a lovely piece of euphoric, elastic synth lines married to funky breaks, kinda like µ-ziq without the drill'n'bass wankery. Any fan of mid-90s Warp would probably like it.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 11:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

This one is more difficult! at any point in the last three months it could have been any of these;
Alter Ego
Basic Channel
Burger/Ink
Masters At Work
Mouse On Mars
Shut Up & Dance

mmmm, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 12:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

First Alter Ego album with the Blue Note style cover is superb. I kind of lump Sensorama in with Alter Ego (they are the same duo as far as I know).

mmmm, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 12:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

Swayzak hasn't been mentioned either. Seeing them live in '98 was a real moment for me. I'd seen creativity with Djing before but two guys and some boxes creating a dubby minimal groove in a smallish club inspired me.

mmmm, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 12:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

I refuse to choose between Moloko and Lamb

THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

Where's the love for Westbam, Hardfloor, Jam & Spoon, etc? Germans did other cool stuff besides minimalism, you know?

Tuomas, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Drexciya, Basic Channel, MAW... it's crazy how much more I identify with this poll.

elan, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

very broadly speaking, it's UK (plus France) v US & Germany...

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

write in vote for Sun Electric

mizzell, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

I did consider adding Sun Electric to the list, but I thought no one would even remember them.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

Anyway, I guess it's not a mystery who I'm voting for...

Tuomas, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 23:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

come on it's obviously basic channel, these guys cast a bigger shadow over techno than anybody since derrick may and mr fingers

the late great, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 23:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

i mean it is literally impossible to talk about house and techno in a broad context w/o evaluating the impact of those guys, nobody else on the list can claim that (you could easily sub in any number of hardcore and bleep artists for 4 hero and lfo and drexciya is non pareil but also sort of in their own world)

the late great, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 23:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm not saying i enjoy basic channel more than drexciya necessarily but that's not really what these polls are about, are they?

the late great, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 23:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

like i'll take lfo (leeds warehouse mix) and sea snake and tied up an black sea over any individual basic channel track (not counting maurizio) but not over the entire genre of "hardwax techno"

the late great, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 23:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

TBH Basic Channel's specific appeal has been kinda run down a bit by the emergence of the entire genre of "hardwax techno" as a permanent side-serve to detroit.

But I get your point and think this poll is theirs to lose (esp. if one includes Main Street Records and Rhythm & Sound).

versus 4 Hero who are less obviously the sole ancestors of the styles and sub-styles they fostered, but maybe fill a "patient zero" style role - it's likely that darkside hardcore, artcore, atmospheric/jazzy d&b and broken beat would have happened without them but nonetheless everything that actually happened in each of those moments can be traced back to their pivotal role.

Tim F, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 23:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

elan, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 01:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah but that's just arguing that 4 hero sparked a fad several times in a row, mr kirks nightmare was the anthem and maybe it was even the one that sparked the trend but it was hardly the only stab anybody had taken at darkcore or whatever you want to call it

similarly i'd say guy called gerald re: their ambient leanings etc

also you know i love then most for their jacobs optical stairway project

the late great, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 03:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I was agreeing with your distinction though.

Tim F, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 03:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

er, sorry, the side serving joke put me in death to false techno mode

the late great, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 04:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

god 'phylyps trak' is just like transcendentally brutal

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 4 April 2012 04:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

come on it's obviously basic channel, these guys cast a bigger shadow over techno than anybody since derrick may and mr fingers

The poll is about the "best", not the "most influential" though. The BC stuff that I've heard is okay, but there are other 90s minimalists (Emmanuel Top, Burger & Ink, Khan & Walker, Plastikman, etc) I like more.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 07:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Basic Channel entirely passed me by

THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 12:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

basic channel: get into it!

the late great, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 15:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

start with quadrant dub xp

tanuki, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 15:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

huh, somehow I knew about Porter Ricks and Monolake, tho

THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 15:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

One thing I've always wondered about Basic Channel: were many people actually into their tracks at the time they came out? Because I can't remember hearing anything by them, or about them, until the late 90s, and even then it was Rhythm & Sound that I first heard. By the time I got to hear the actual BC stuff, I'd already been listening to other artists influenced by them, like Monolake, who I thought did the same thing better. So that's why I've never been that impressed by them.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 15:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

(haha, x-post with Dan)

Tuomas, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 15:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

yes, many many people were into basic channel when they came out. it made a *huge* impact.

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Maurizio#t=Appearances_Mixes&q=&p=1

the late great, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh duh, Basic Channel = Maurizio

okay yeah now the impact argument makes sense

THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

i should say, a huge impact on the field of "serious techno"

the late great, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

yes, many many people were into basic channel when they came out. it made a *huge* impact.

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Maurizio#t=Appearances_Mixes&q=&p=1

I dunno if that's supposed to prove it, if you look at the Discogs entry for Air Liquide, for example, they appeared on about the same amount of mixes in the 1990s, and you can hardly say they had a huge impact even then:

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Air+Liquide#t=Appearances_Mixes&q=&p=1

Tuomas, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Compare Maurizio to Emmanuel Top:

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Emmanuel+Top#t=Appearances_Mixes&q=&p=1

He has more than three times as many mix appearances in the 1990s, but these days few people credit him as a minimal techno pioneer, even though he totally was.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

I thought the point of that discog link wasn't the number of appearances but who Basic Channel actually were

THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

actually IIRC air liquide / rising high did have a big impact on german techno, esp in terms of germans adopting breakbeats and giving rise to stuff like khan and walker, etc

also i realize things are different in finland and america but over there is 15 the same as 30?

the late great, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

also tuomas yr question was about "back then"

"back then" emmanuel top was getting 5/5 reviews in mixmag

but here's the thing: those basic channel appearances are much higher profile than those emmanuel top appearances

the late great, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah I was gonna say Air Liquide was huge at the time IIRC but got lazy

THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

No idea what anyone is on about or what that list of random artists at the top is all about but Basic Channel is the answer

coal, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

emmanuel top *was* high-profile then, for example it was kinda the centrepiece of one of the chem brothers big mixes

the late great, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

actually IIRC air liquide / rising high did have a big impact on german techno, esp in terms of germans adopting breakbeats and giving rise to stuff like khan and walker, etc

Haha, you realize Walker is one half of Air Liquide?

also i realize things are different in finland and america but over there is 15 the same as 30?

I count 14 mix appearance for Maurizio in the 1990s (plus 3 for Basic Channel). Did I miscount?

Tuomas, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Who else was getting remixes like this from UR?

elan, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh duh, walker was in liquid, you're totally right. anyway, they were a big influence on that

xpost you didn't miscount, i think you just didn't count stuff like phylyps and rhythm & sound, they had a ton of aliases, right?

the late great, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 16:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

tuomas have you ever analyzed your overweening desire to always be right?

tanuki, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

speaking of maurizio ploy remixes,

though i am tempted by MAW, my vote has to go the Orb.

dsb, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

Basic Channel belongs with the knob twiddlers, but clearly is the most important of these. I voted Lamb for sentimental reasons.

Sanpaku, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

still not choosing between Lamb and Moloko (but if pressed, would pick Lamb)

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

gotta say dubby minimal is sounding kind of boring to me these days

Chris S, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

4 Hero

Jessie Fer Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

I just wanted to say, I'm not denying Basic Channel were influential from the turn of the millennium onwards, when the German minimal techno scene became popular, it's just that I don't remember them being very infuential before that. In my recollection, the minimal scene in the 90s was less about dubby, "deep" tracks and more about harsh, dry tunes, like Emmanuel Top or Richie Hawtin or Panasonic, or German Schranz, or what was known as "monotrack" here in Finland. But of course it might've been different elsewhere in the world.

Tuomas, Thursday, 5 April 2012 06:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

no pre-95 it was exactly as you describe but it's tricky because one bleeds into the other when you look at people like hawtin and dan bell

the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 07:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

or baby ford or force inc etc etc

the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 07:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

tuomas reads very well in eeyore voice

preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 April 2012 07:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

no pre-95 it was exactly as you describe but it's tricky because one bleeds into the other when you look at people like hawtin and dan bell

Yeah, but that was the exact reason I asked whether the Basic Channel tracks were influential when they originally came out, since that was in the early 90s.

Tuomas, Thursday, 5 April 2012 07:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

My introduction to Basic Channel, Chain Reaction, Maurizio etc. was with their feature in The Wire which I think was Aug '96. It was at that point I saw them as superior in terms of sound design to a lot of German and European techno that preceded that time. They release the iconic metal boxed CDs around that time also I think. I remember people who I admired like Carl Craig were bigging them up in interviews. This was obviously a few years after they had released the first 12"s.

mmmm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 12:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Sunday, 8 April 2012 00:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

the very first promo pile that arrived @ ireallylovemusic hq happened to be the back catalogue of eat static.
while the odd track was fun for 10 minutes, have to admit i never got to the end of an album.
same goes for the secret knowledge album to be honest .. /

my vote may be boring, but it has to be the orb.

mark e, Sunday, 8 April 2012 00:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Lamb without any hesitation.

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 8 April 2012 03:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

basic channel v. lfo v. mouse on mars for me

mouse on mars fell off pretty hard, but god, i love their glam/instrumentals period so much.

basic channel 'radiance' also extremely beautiful.

all the lfo lps are quite good too. even have a lot of love for 'sheath'.

tough call.

(⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Sunday, 8 April 2012 05:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Where's 2 Bad Mice?

gawagai, Sunday, 8 April 2012 15:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Whether to vote Burger/Ink for one perfect album or Mouse on Mars for at least five near-perfect ones...

instant coffee happening between us (a passing spacecadet), Sunday, 8 April 2012 20:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Alter Ego
Basic Channel
Burger/Ink
Masters At Work
Mouse On Mars
Shut Up & Dance

I think I'll go for Shut Up & Dance... never fails to get me going...

mmmm, Sunday, 8 April 2012 20:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Burger/Ink are restyled as Mohn with a new album out very soon..!!

mmmm, Sunday, 8 April 2012 20:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

4hero, for Parallel Universe alone.

ablaeser, Sunday, 8 April 2012 23:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

Finally got around to voting, decided on MAW just shading Basic Channel and Drexciya.

Chewshabadoo, Sunday, 8 April 2012 23:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Monday, 9 April 2012 00:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

photo finish.

Boo-Yaa Too Rough International Boo-Yaa Empire (Merdeyeux), Monday, 9 April 2012 00:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

LOLLLL

the late great, Monday, 9 April 2012 02:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

basic channel records were massive on the underground when they came out, those 12"s had a huge mystique iirc in terms of sound design and even the pressings themselves. dave clarke would routinely award them five dancing men in his Mixmag Update reviews.

second only to popcorn (or something), Monday, 9 April 2012 04:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

i would have voted for MAW tho, tbh.

second only to popcorn (or something), Monday, 9 April 2012 04:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

"The slammer" ices the rest of this boring egghead shit

neutral sequence for flute (blank), Monday, 9 April 2012 04:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Where's 2 Bad Mice?

I thought of including them, but apparently they had three members, despite the name.

Interesting that Moloko got only one vote, I thought they might win. I guess people don't listen tho them that much anymore, especially since Roisin Murphy has had such a strong solo career?

Tuomas, Monday, 9 April 2012 09:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

i like Moloko fine but vote for them over BC or Drexciya??? fucking mentalism

red is hungry green is jawless (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 April 2012 09:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

Non, non, non, non-non-non, knob!
Non non, non-non-non, knob!
Du-o...

beachville, Monday, 9 April 2012 13:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

Best 90 electronic music duo: THE FINAL BATTLE

Tuomas, Monday, 9 April 2012 17:51 (2 years ago) Permalink


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