Rolling salsa, merengue, bachata, and reggaeton thread 2007 (Ladies get in for free)

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I heard an Eddie Palmieri song I didn't recognize in my salsa dance class tonight. It was good.

R_S (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 03:04 (seventeen years ago) link

excellente.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 05:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Elvis Crespo item from a Latin Dance e-mail thing I get

"Dear Friends. Oscar's Production thanks you for your patience. We have filed a lawsuit against Mr. Crespo, and his agents, in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia's Civil Division. A hearing is set for March 16, 2007, before the Honorable Gerald Fisher in Courtroom # 519. We are requesting that as many of you as possible to appear in Court that day, to support Oscar's Production, while at the same time voicing your opposition for Mr. Crespo's failure to perform in Washington, D.C. on November 25, 2006, as he agreed to do. We ask for your patience on any refund request until after the court's hearing. Oscar's Production."

Not that I'm a big Elvis Crespo fan. Just found this, uh, interesting.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Speaking of Elvis Crespo, who I like, the Onda Tropical has a new song up by him and (old bandmates) Grupo Mania:

http://laondatropical.blogspot.com/

The lawsuit sounds like it would be a pretty clear-cut kind of thing. Not that big a deal.

R_S (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Since you have revived this stillborn thread, these are the (relevant) releases I'm honestly looking forward to this year:

Luny Tunes: Los Benjamins - La Continuacion [I didn't buy the first one, but this will have a version of "Noche De Entierro" with Ivy Queen, and maybe they will improve the rest of the album, which has received lukewarm reviews.]
Ivy Queen [overdue album]
Daddy Yankee
Calle 13
This new Elvis Crespo thing, if there really is a full album in the works
Spanish Harlem Orchestra [I have read good things about the new material they are performing and I think that the introduction of Luisito Quintero on timbales could shakes things up in a good way.]

Oh yeah, also probably another Michael Stuart album, but I am crossing my fingers about that. I thought I read that he was doing something with Papo Lucca, but the article I read was in Spanish, so I don't really know what I read.

R_S (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 16:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Did anyone have trouble unzipping any of the files I sent?

R_S (RSLaRue), Friday, 12 January 2007 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

It's kind of amusing how this thread on salsaforums.com turned into a referendum on CD prices:

http://www.salsaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=3185

(It's one of the first results that comes up in Google if you search on the title, too, which must be frustrating for certain parties.)

R_S (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Luisito Carrion was hit by a car and had been badly injured. Not sure how new this news is, but I am just hearing it. He's one of my favorite living soneros, although he doesn't get a chance to record all that much. Classic song. (Haven't watched the video actually, as I am at work and just saw it posted now.)

R_S (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 19:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Well there's a girl in a bikini, Luisito indicating the sea with a wave of the arm while singing "¡sobre el mar! and some jet-skiing. It all looks very cheap. Nice song though.

jimn (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Finding good salsa videos is not easy, I'm afraid.

This is a good live recording of a song that has come to be one of his signature numbers (though I'm not sure he originally sang it). It's good, although I've heard him do more rhythmically off-the-hook versions than this. He doesn't seem quite as wound up.

Here's another live one. I've heard him cover this song, but I'm not sure if this is the same version I've heard. He does a good job, though I'd rather have the Marvin Santiago original.

R_S (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link

going a little afield here, but i saw a preview today for el cantante, the hector lavoe biopic with marc anthony and j.lo. even if it's just a normal cheesy biopic it could be sorta interesting. (which, not surprisingly, i notice rs started a thread on a year ago.)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 19 January 2007 01:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Not far afield at all. Is that thing out yet? I was expecting it in 2006.

R_S (RSLaRue), Friday, 19 January 2007 01:50 (seventeen years ago) link

the preview said "this summer."

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 19 January 2007 01:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Weird. There were lots of rumors about him defecting, but last I heard, he was back in Cuba and he had only been on an extended vacation in Florida. Now this. I'm not particularly a fan, but he's definitely a major figure in contemporary Cuban music. He does have a good voice. Also, he has frequently recorded in a style I would consider to be strictly salsa, and not timba. RMM put out one of his album in the 90s. (Again, thinking back to that thread where Matt and I got off on a tangent about Cuban music, I'm not sure how that sort of thing works out in relation to the embargo, but somehow it does.) I imagine he will have more success as an artist in the US than Manolin has. He's got more of a mainstream salsa crossover audience for one thing, and I'd say he's a more talented vocalist as well.


Salsa Bandleader Delgado Defects To U.S.
January 26, 2007, 2:45 PM ET

Issac Delgado, one of Cuba's most popular salsa bandleaders, has defected to the United States to pursue an international career, a former associate said today (Jan. 26).

Delgado, 44, is the biggest name in Cuban music to leave the communist-run island nation in years. His 1999 recording of salsa queen Celia Cruz's song "La Vida es un Carnaval" was a major hit in Cuba.

The singer moved with his family to Tampa, Fla., late last year, his former representative in Havana, Raul Escalona, said. His 11-member band, Issac Delgado y su Orquesta, which stayed in Cuba, has changed its name and has a new singer, Escalona said.

The son of a tailor and a dancer, Delgado started out in the band of Latin jazz piano virtuoso Gonzalo Rubalcaba in 1980. He has frequently toured outside Cuba with his own group since 1991 and is popular in Mexico.

Delgado was one of the few musicians living in Cuba who managed to cross political barriers and perform in Miami, where the exile community has long blacklisted artists who had not defected from Cuba under President Fidel Castro's government.

In Cuba, Delgado lived comfortably in the leafy Miramar residential district and drove a Mercedes-Benz, a rare privilege for Cubans, neighbors said.

His father-in-law, Miguel Valdes, a former coach of Cuba's national baseball team, has lived in Tampa since defecting to the United States with White Sox pitcher Jose Contreras in 2002. Delgado is the most prominent musician to defect since salsa singer Manolin, "The Doctor of Salsa," left in 2001.

Other high-profile departures include saxophone player Paquito D'Rivera and trumpeter Arturo Sandoval of the Latin jazz group Irakere, who defected in 1981 and 1990, respectively.

Cuba has long suffered a flight of talented artists and top athletes seeking fame and fortune in the United States, Havana's ideological foe since Castro's 1959 revolution.


COPYRIGHT: (c) Reuters 2006.

R_S (RSLaRue), Saturday, 27 January 2007 01:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I like these guys.

Bachata kings find a rhythm in New York
BY ED MORALES

January 28, 2007

For at least a moment last week, with a wildly enthusiastic throng on the set of MTV Tr3's Spanglish version of "Total Request Live" cheering their every move, Bronx-based bachata idols Aventura were on top of the Latin music world.

They had just finished performing "Los Infieles," from their new album "K.O.B. Live" (Premium Latin Music/Sony Norte), a song that nicely packages their modern bachata sound, complete with lyrics about illicit love that characterize Latin urban tastes that run through R&B and reggaetón. And although their music is in Spanish, lead singer and songwriter Lenny Santos felt at home with his growing legion of mostly female, bilingual supporters.

"I love traveling around to the Dominican Republic and Latin America," said Santos to the crowd in English. "But somehow in New York I can be more myself."

Aventura, whose new album is currently No. 4 in the Billboard Latin Albums chart, is a band whose time has come. They are a Latino New York version of the Backstreet Boys, but they choose to use the rhythmic, guitar-based format of bachata from the Dominican Republic to express what life is like in the big city. For the cover of their new album -- which contains a CD of new material, a CD of a live performance at the Theater at Madison Square Garden, and a DVD with concert footage and the video for "Los Infieles" -- Aventura dressed up in Edwardian suits and mop-tops in an apparent homage to a certain English rock group that invaded New York in the '60s.

"A lot of people thought we were trying to dress like The Beatles," said Santos backstage at the TRL sound studio. "But it was this '60s thing -- everybody dressed like that then. I wanted to do something different. I wanted to show that we don't always worry about our pretty-boy image."

But despite their image as teen idols and purveyors of the forbidden tryst, Aventura has a strong musicality that goes under the radar. The live album, in particular, accentuates Santos' florid guitar soloing, as well as Max Agende Santos' jazz-influenced electric bass playing.

"I don't want people to see us just as bachateros," Santos said. "We do modern bachata. I've been doing production work in salsa for Gilberto Santa Rosa, I did a merengue track for Sergio Vargas, an R&B track for Frankie J., and a reggaetón track, 'Noche de Sexo,' for Wisin & Yandel."

While Aventura is following in the footsteps of great Dominican musicians like their acknowledged heroes Juan Luis Guerra and Fernandito Villalona, they're also part of a New York style established by 2 in a Room and Fulanito, who fused merengue and the rustic perico ripiao with house music.

"The reason I named the album 'K.O.B.,' or Kings of Bachata, is to make it clear that we're the best at what we do," Santos said. "But our culture is filled with incredible artists. And it feels good to finally help put that culture on the map."

R_S (RSLaRue), Saturday, 27 January 2007 02:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Salsa star leaves Cuba, makes Tampa new home
SAUNDRA AMRHEIN
Published January 26, 2007

Cuban salsa star Issac Delgado, one of the island’s biggest musicians, has left his homeland and resettled in Tampa in one of the most notable music industry defections in the last decade.

Music experts and people who know Delgado speculated that he chose this moment to abandon his life of intense popularity and relative comfort in Cuba given the country’s uncertain future following the illness of Cuban leader Fidel Castro.

Cubans don’t know which way the political and economic system will turn nor how changes, if any, might affect U.S. laws that currently give Cuban refugees almost instant asylum.

Rumors had swirled for weeks in music circles and on the Internet about the location of the 44-year-old dance band sensation who has toured the world. He stopped in Tampa in 2002.

But Delgado managed to keep his plans under wraps until this week, when publicists announced he had signed with William Morris Agency for global representation and moved to a house in Tampa with his wife and children.

Details of the defection of the two-time Latin Grammy nominee have not been released. But the office of publicist Adolfo Fernandez in Miami confirmed that Delgado had settled in Tampa and was at that moment in a recording studio in Miami working on a new single release. A new CD will be put out later this spring by La Calle Records, a division of the Univision Music Group.

Latin Grammy winner Sergio George will produce the album. He has produced past works for musicians such as Tito Puente and Marc Anthony

Delgado and his family could not be reached for comment Friday. His long-term success in the United States, however, is not guaranteed, a reflection of the gulf dividing the two country’s vastly different music industries and Americans’ lack of familiarity with Cuba’s aggressive brew of funk- and jazz-fueled salsa known as timba.

Other prominent timba musicians have left the island in the past decade – such as Carlos Manuel and the artist Manolin -- only to watch their careers stumble in the United States.

But experts think Delgado, former front man for NG La Banda, one of the top dance bands in Cuba and timba innovators, might have what it takes to make a smashing cross over.

“He’s an overall fantastic artist and a great businessman,’’ said Hugo Cancio, head of Fuego Entertainment in Miami and who first brought Delgado on tour to the United States in 1998.

He noted that Delgado lined up a well-known agent and record label right away and moved outside the political climate of Miami to Tampa, though Delgado’s wife reportedly has family here.

“Out of all of them, he could break the ice,’’ Cancio said.

Still, Delgado faces some challenges, says Robin Moore, author of Music & Revolution: Cultural Change in Socialist Cuba, a 2006 book chronicling the development of prominent music styles and artists in the years after Castro came into power.

Moore notes that many popular musicians have become Cuba’s “new rich.” After the collapse of the Soviet Union and its massive subsidies and trade deals, Cuba turned to tourism to help keep its economy afloat.

Popular musicians who play gigs throughout Havana and tour Europe and Asia can now earn far more than doctors and scientists. The government gets a cut of their money, but some musicians can sign independent contracts and keep a larger portion of their income than in the past, Moore said. They also have nice apartments and own cars.

But Cuba’s timba scene is insular, its lyrics about everyday life on the island, its dance rhythms complex – qualities that don’t always resonate even with Hispanic American audiences, Moore said.

What’s more, Cuban musicians are used to a socialist system that has not prepared them to promote their music and image in a capitalist economy, Moore said.

Delgado already has succeeded in lining up big-name promoters. But he still has to create a new audience and financial success without sacrificing his passion for his music, Moore said.

“On the one hand, the artists recognize they may need to alter their style in order to accommodate a new country,” he said. “On the other hand, some of them go so commercial ...they alienate a lot of people that were interested in them for their music.’’

Delgado himself has long offered alternative, more mellow version of himself. It may help him avoid the plight of other timba musicians, who have become construction workers and cell phone salesmen in the United States, said Lara Greene, a doctoral candidate at Florida State University writing her dissertation on timba artists in Miami.

Delgado himself disputed the timba label in a 2002 interview with the St. Petersburg Times before his West Tampa concert.

“I don’t want to pigeonhole myself as a timba musician,’’ said Delgado, whose recordings also have tapped the poetic lyricism of Cuba’s trova movement, traditional Cuban son and modern salsa.

“I have a desire to transmit spirituality and good vibes through my music,’’ he said. “I think it’s the fundamental task of all genuine artists.’’

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/01/26/Tampabay/Salsa_star_leaves_Cub.shtml

R_S (RSLaRue), Saturday, 27 January 2007 13:43 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.calendarlive.com/stage/cl-et-delgado26jan26,0,1271435.story?coll=cl-stage

Cuban salsa star now lives in U.S.
Issac Delgado appears to have a good chance to beat the curse of other island émigrés.
By Agustin Gurza
Times Staff Writer

January 26, 2007

World-renowned salsa singer Issac Delgado has emigrated from Cuba and plans to pursue his career from a new home in Florida, becoming the biggest name in Cuban music in more than a decade to make the politically charged move away from the communist enclave.

Unlike the highly publicized defections in recent years of two other prominent Cuban vocalists, Manolín and Carlos Manuel, Delgado made his move under a cloak of secrecy. Internet chat rooms have been abuzz about the star's whereabouts since late last year, but Delgado and his new U.S. business associates have kept mum until now.

This week, concert promoters were notified that the William Morris Agency had signed Delgado for worldwide representation. It was the first official confirmation that the rumors were true.

"Issac is probably the most significant singer of his generation," said Michel Vega, head of Latin music for William Morris, in an interview this week from his Miami office. "We're thrilled to be working with him and we think he's going to be a great addition to the American music landscape."

The critically acclaimed singer was not immediately available for interviews. But Vega confirmed that the artist has settled into a new home in Tampa, Fla., along with his wife and children. Details of his entry into the country were not disclosed.

Delgado is already recording a new album, in collaboration with award-winning salsa producer Sergio George, a key figure in the early success of New York salsa star Marc Anthony. The record is due in the spring, to be followed by a world tour this summer. Ten songs have been recorded so far, some featuring collaborations with major Latin artists, according to Adolfo Fernandez, spokesman for La Calle Records, a division of the Univision Music Group, which is expected to release the CD.

Despite the well-organized business plan, Delgado's move is risky, as the careers of some of his fellow Cuban singers collapsed once they set foot in the U.S.

"Carlos Manuel is just a complete disaster," said Hugo Cancio, a Miami businessman who was instrumental in bringing the young singing sensation to the U.S. "A great artist, tremendous talent, but he's nowhere to be seen. He's been here four years, and what has he done?"

Cuban artists who were superstars on the island have found scant interest for their style of complex and progressive salsa in the U.S., where tastes run more traditional. The handsome and charismatic Delgado, with his jazzy but smooth singing style, is probably the most marketable.

"He has a better chance than the other guys, but it still seems like a very questionable move," said Kevin Moore, an expert in contemporary Cuban music who writes for the U.S.-based website Timba.com. "He always worked the best-paying gigs in Havana and lived in a beautiful palace. To leave all that behind for an unknown financial situation makes you wonder, 'Why would he want to do that?' "

One potential answer: The political timing is right.

Delgado, who maintained good relations with the Cuban cultural authorities, may be trying to get a step ahead of political changes expected when Fidel Castro dies. A political opening on the island may close the doors on Cubans seeking to come to the U.S. because they could lose special asylum status, speculated Cancio. People in a democratic Cuba could be forced to get in line for U.S. visas with the rest of the world.

Manolín, who was a national celebrity in Cuba, where he performed as El Medico de la Salsa, said that artists who defect are led to believe they'll be greeted with a red carpet, but after they arrive, the carpet gets pulled out from under them.

"Here in Miami, Cubans own the radio stations, run the record labels and control the television, but Cuban artists are the ones who get the least play," Manolín said in Spanish from Miami. "It's as if we come from a country that doesn't exist. So it's worse than starting over because there's a need here to deny what comes from there. We are taboo."

Manolín, who still performs in Miami though his career faltered after releasing a pop record on BMG that tanked, said he spoke to Delgado last year while his colleague was mulling his move. Manolín's advice?

"You are a success already," Manolín recalled telling his colleague. "You can come here and try to maintain what you've already achieved. But if you expect anything more, you're going to be frustrated."

Delgado was one of the first artists from Cuba to perform in the U.S., at Madison Square Garden in 1996. And he has released several albums on U.S.-based record labels, including qbadisc, RMM and AhiNama Music, based in Studio City.

Delgado was one of the most prominent stars to emerge in Cuba during Havana's dance music boom of the 1990s.

In 1987, Delgado toured the world as a singer with Cuba's Afro-Cuban cabaret from the Tropicana. He became a star a year later when he joined NG La Banda, the Havana group that sparked the new wave of dance music known as timba, a fusion of jazz, salsa and funk.

R_S (RSLaRue), Saturday, 27 January 2007 13:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I wish someone other than Sergio George were producing Delgado's new album, although I can understand why someone who wants to make it commercially would go with George.

R_S (RSLaRue), Saturday, 27 January 2007 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Hahaha. Everyone needs to download Hector the Father's new song "Sola," for the "sensitive" sounding chorus near the beginning. Cracks me up every time. I don't think it's supposed to.

R_S (RSLaRue), Saturday, 27 January 2007 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Michael Stuart's version of "Yo No Soy Tu Marido" just popped onto my pandora.com salsa station, taking me by surprise. I still think it's great. I've hyped this album so much, and I haven't been playing it as much lately, so I started to worry that maybe I had slightly over-hyped it to myself, but I still think it's easily the best salsa album I hard last year.

R_S (RSLaRue), Sunday, 28 January 2007 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

(pandora.com's salsa selection has improved a lot in the gap when I was mostly not listening to it at all.)

R_S (RSLaRue), Sunday, 28 January 2007 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Whenever I read about Cuban artists defecting I think about the Celia Cruz interview I saw where she bemoaned the fact that she was never allowed to go back to visit Cuba, even when her mother, who had not defected, passed away and Celia wanted to go to the funeral.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Sunday, 28 January 2007 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Hahaha. Everyone needs to download Hector the Father's new song "Sola," for the "sensitive" sounding chorus near the beginning. Cracks me up every time. I don't think it's supposed to.

The video is pretty amusing too.

The Reverend Rodney J. Greene sings you a dirge (R. J. Greene), Monday, 29 January 2007 00:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't think to look for a video. So what exactly happens here? Why is she visiting his tomb?

R_S (RSLaRue), Monday, 29 January 2007 00:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't you get it! He's DEADXORZ that whole time! Blah.

Apparently there's a new Calle 13 album in March. Any sign of a single? I checked their myspace, but it's all old songs.

The Reverend Rodney J. Greene sings you a dirge (R. J. Greene), Monday, 29 January 2007 03:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I still don't get it, but I don't understand Spanish. There was a leaked Calle 13 track on the Onda Tropical blog for a while, but it was taken down. Actually, you know who might know something about what that sounds like is Phil. I didn't realize it was actually due out in March.

Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Monday, 29 January 2007 03:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Yo no hablo espanol either, but haven't you seen The Sixth Sense? He's just a ghost the whole time, but doesn't realize it.

The Reverend Rodney J. Greene in a DIE BLIPSTER SCUM! tee (R. J. Greene), Monday, 29 January 2007 03:16 (seventeen years ago) link

So she can't hear him? Bummer.

Rockist Scientist, Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Monday, 29 January 2007 03:18 (seventeen years ago) link

On the Fania reissue front, this is a really crucial early Eddie Palmieri album, but it's got kind of bad sound, at least on my CD copy. Hopefully this will be an improvement on that. Sonora Poncena's Explorando is a classic from their peak period ("Moreno Soy" is particularly mind-blowing), but On Target, from the 90s, is also very good, and on my (semi-) short list of CDs to buy.

Rockist Scientist, Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Monday, 29 January 2007 03:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Listening to Explorando now. Sonora Poncena was especially hot in the late 70s/early 80s, not that they haven't put out some excellent material since then, but this stuff is really on fire. (I was going to not post this, but then I got to the montuno section on "Se Formo" and I had to come back and do it.)

Rockist Scientist, Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Monday, 29 January 2007 03:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, Calle 13 is making that leaked track available (for listen at least) on their website: http://www.lacalle13.com/LaCrema.mp3

Rockist Scientist, Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Monday, 29 January 2007 03:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Pretty cool. Latinized blaxpoitation funk = a good look for them.

The Reverend Rodney J. Greene in a DIE BLIPSTER SCUM! tee (R. J. Greene), Monday, 29 January 2007 04:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Paul Simon apparently guests on the upcoming Spanish Harlem Orchestra album, and they are moving to Six Degrees. I'm actually fairly interested in hearing this one, because they have been playing together for a while now as a band, and they've been writing new material (some of which I've heard described in interesting ways, just in terms of genre mixing). And I think having Luisito Quintero on timbales could shake things up in interesting ways. (Also, given some of the people he works with, I have to wonder who he might bring in to the project, though SHO definitely won't be going salsaton. I don't think.)

Rockist Scientist, Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:10 (seventeen years ago) link

February 5, 2007
New York Times Music Review | Wisin & Yandel
Celebrating the Sweet Beat of Reggaetón Success
By KELEFA SANNEH
In 2005 the Puerto Rican duo Wisin & Yandel released a straightforward but infectious reggaetón album called “Pa’l Mundo” (Machete Music/Universal). The CD lodged itself on Billboard’s Top Latin Albums chart, where it remains (64 weeks and counting), and spawned a series of hits. The duo celebrated by rereleasing it with bonus tracks last year. On Friday night they celebrated again with a triumphant performance at Radio City Music Hall.

Triumphant, clearly, for these two, but triumphant also for the genre. Reggaetón, a Spanish-language cousin of hip-hop and reggae, exploded in popularity a few years ago, taking over clubs and radio stations throughout the Americas; the New York reggaetón station, La Kalle (105.9 FM), which is less than two years old, sponsored Friday’s concert. But in the last year or so the genre’s energy has flagged slightly, and skeptics have questioned its staying power. Would the reggaetón revolution end as quickly as it had started?

That seemed unlikely on Friday, when Wisin & Yandel kept a packed audience on its feet, screaming for nearly two hours. Wisin does the rapping and the between-song talking, while Yandel does the singing, but both are cheerfully one-track-minded. From “No Me Digas Que No” (“Don’t Tell Me No”) to “Noche de Sexo” (no translation needed, surely), their set ranged from sweet pleas to salty ones. At one point Wisin acknowledged all the women in the crowd who had suffered for love. There was a trebly scream. Then he switched sides, playfully extolling the loyalty of Latin men.

The stiff, loping beat known as dem bow is what separates reggaetón from hip-hop, and on Friday night this pulse was omnipresent but not (usually) monotonous. Backed by a half-electronic band (it included a D.J., three keyboard players and sometimes a string section), the duo delighted in toying with the rhythm: switching to double time or half time, or cutting out the beat to make fans wait for its inevitable return.

If they wanted to Wisin & Yandel could credibly position themselves as a pop crossover act. But at Radio City they stayed faithful to the genre — and the fans — that made them stars. They spoke and sang in Spanish (including their Spanish verses from “Burn It Up,” an R. Kelly collaboration), and the night’s big special guest was the reggaetón pioneer Tego Calderón, who sauntered onstage to deliver a few rhymes.

The concert certainly didn’t secure the future of reggaetón, or even the future of Wisin & Yandel. But it was impressive proof of what this genre and this duo can do. In New York and far beyond, those staccato beats and those salacious lyrics attract a diverse audience of young Latino listeners, many of whom have come to enjoy thinking of themselves as reggaetón fans. Who knows where Wisin & Yandel will be in 10 years? But this audience isn’t going anywhere. "

Copyright 2007 The New York Times Company

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
http://ilx.thehold.net/thread.php?msgid=93327#unread

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:07 (seventeen years ago) link

http://ilx.thehold.net/thread.php?msgid=93327#unread

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I've been listening to Miami Sound Machine lately, and I was wondering if there were any other acts that would mix salsa and eighties dance music in a similar way (with perhaps a little more salsa). Any suggestions?

-- Tuomas (lixnixn@yahoo.co.uk), February 20th, 2007.


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Um, RS any ideas? Not me.
I'm trying to figure out who Omega y Su Mambo Violente are. They've got a few youtube videos (and are coming to DC).

-- curmudgeon (curmudgeon@curmudgeon.com), February 21st, 2007.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I wish we could get some of those fanatics who belong to yahoo e-mail groups to post here. A dilettante like me could learn more from them and I'd like to see RS interact with them. Maybe I should just go read those yahoo e-mails.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 22 February 2007 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link

A lot of those people are musicians, or they've been listening to salsa for 4 or 5 times as long as I have, so there's a limit to how much I can participate. There hasn't been too much discussion of new slasa releases over there. The couple things some people have been enthusiastic about has been very disappointing when I've listened to streaming tracks and samples. I said elsewhere that I wasn't going to make as many "Hmmm, this looks like it might be a remotely interesting CD but I haven't heard it, don't really know anything about it, and have nothing to say about" type posts to this thread, because otherwise it gets pretty pointless. By the end of May there should be a few releases to talk about (Ivy Queen, Calle 13, Spanish Harlem Orchestra, hopefully some others).

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 22 February 2007 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

(Also, the fanatics who post to the yahoo group(s) have no reason to come to the lonely salsa (+/-) thread on a generalist music board if they want to discuss salsa. True, it would be a way to promote what they are interested in, but many of the regular posters there already are promoting it anyway, as DJs, as educators, concert promoters, etc.)

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 22 February 2007 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Then we just need more generalists on this board. I think they're out there.

curmudgeon, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Monchy y Alexandra (bachata), Raul Acosta y Oro Solido, Andy Andy
(bachata),and reggatonero Yomo at CocoCabana, University Blvd..,
Hyattsville

Alas, I'm gonna miss this show tonight.

curmudgeon, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:33 (seventeen years ago) link

If anyone cares, the new Diana Reyes, Te Voy a Mostrar, is fantastic, better than her '05. It's louder and she sounds looser and less polite. In parts of it the percussion is almost brutal, if you can use the word "brutal" to describe a Duranguense CD. Lots of minor key songs, one with a lot of bizarre direct modulations, a cover of "Angels" by Robbie Williams/Jessica Simpson, and a cool one where she calls and responds with her low breathy voice against her higher impassioned voice. I realize she's none of the above subgenres, but I don't think anyone'd read a Duranguense thread.

http://www.amazon.com/Te-Voy-Mostrar-Diana-Reyes/dp/B000LW7UZA/sr=1-1/qid=1172374696/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-1029692-8735816?ie=UTF8&s=music

I've realized that her voice reminds me of Gloria Estefan's. Also, has anyone heard the Kuky CD?

dr. phil, Sunday, 25 February 2007 03:45 (seventeen years ago) link

We care Dr. Phil. We care. Haven't heard the mentioned artists (unless they were playing in the background before the Los Tigres show I went to and I did not realize it) but will try to check 'em out.

There's also a "whirled, whirled...." thread that RS started:

Whirled Music 2007 thread

curmudgeon, Sunday, 25 February 2007 13:12 (seventeen years ago) link

"We"?

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 25 February 2007 14:21 (seventeen years ago) link

No, not my cup of tea, based on audio clips, but I will say I think she has a better voice than Gloria Estefan (who I'm not a big fan of).

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 25 February 2007 14:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Matt/Haikunym and somebody else, I think . Sorry. Alright, somebody else must care. I think.

curmudgeon, Sunday, 25 February 2007 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.ijigg.com/songs/F4FG77PB4

New Calle 13 single, "El Tango del Pecado". Quite good. I think I might like it better than any of the singles from their first. Maybe not "La Jirafa"...

The Reverend, Monday, 26 February 2007 03:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow. I've been listening to it all evening. It's pretty f'n amazing.

The Reverend, Monday, 26 February 2007 07:35 (seventeen years ago) link

http://cover6.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/Large/37/976137.jpg

Coming soon.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 03:28 (seventeen years ago) link

So via googling and Phil and others mentioning it I see that there is a Vampisoul compilation called Gozalo Bugalu (2 volumes worth of Peruvian tropical sounds) that has shown up on some best of lists, and there is a salsa group from Colombia called La 33 who have an album called Gozalo that is on a top ten Colombian cds list from semana.com

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 04:32 (sixteen years ago) link

I've heard what I think was the first La 33 album and it was just so-so. Pink panther theme mambo cover that became popular. . . Not awful, but I didn't get the fuss. I haven't heard this one, but I have my doubts.

I didn't know about the Peruvian thing though.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 04:38 (sixteen years ago) link

D-Fiv3, for your salsa/Latin postings, you should spin off another identity as Matt Cebolla.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Friday, 21 December 2007 05:08 (sixteen years ago) link

If you think my PR/Dominican jr high students didn't call me Señor Onion for three years, you'd better think again.

Dimension 5ive, Friday, 21 December 2007 05:20 (sixteen years ago) link

OK. I'll move on to my next idea then, which is that Rockist Scientist should post under the name LaRujeria.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Friday, 21 December 2007 05:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Okay, seven tracks in and so far En lo Claro is excellent.

The Reverend, Friday, 21 December 2007 06:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Was just reading in the NY Times about an off-broadway musical, "In the Heights, about NYC's uptown Washington Heights neighborhood, that is coming to Broadway in March. It stars Lin Manuel-Miranda who wrote it and composed the lyrics and music. Trying to guess from his bio and a sample video preview whether it will be any good...http://www.intheheightsthemusical.com

I grew up in Northern Manhattan, and if you've ever even driven through the neighborhood, you know that music comes out of every corner. Salsa horn lines wail from fire escape windows; bachata guitar lines blare from pimped-out car stereos. As a teenager, my father was the president (and maybe the only member) of the Puerto Rico chapter of Debbie Reynolds Fan Club, so we grew up on a bizarre diet of Juan Luis Guerra, Marc Anthony, Fiddler on the Roof and Camelot. Meanwhile, my friends and I obsessed over hip-hop music: I remember poring over Fat Boys albums and forcing my school bus driver to teach me the words to "Beef" by KRS-One.

curmudgeon, Sunday, 23 December 2007 23:39 (sixteen years ago) link

x-post

Just listened to a sound sample from a salsa-ish cut, "Pelea," on Voltio's En Lo Claro cd. Sounds nice. It appears that some of the cuts go beyond standard reggaeton style

curmudgeon, Sunday, 23 December 2007 23:51 (sixteen years ago) link

If you think my PR/Dominican jr high students didn't call me Señor Onion for three years, you'd better think again.
TS Señor Onion vs. Señor Coconut

James Redd and the Blecchs, Sunday, 23 December 2007 23:52 (sixteen years ago) link

loco en tu cabeza

curmudgeon, Monday, 24 December 2007 00:48 (sixteen years ago) link

en la tuya

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 24 December 2007 01:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Speaking of loco, I am listening to a La Lupe Fania best-of I got on sale at Borders for $10. Her rendition of "My Way," is like wow.

curmudgeon, Monday, 24 December 2007 16:19 (sixteen years ago) link

So far this Ñejo y Dalmata album sounds good.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 22:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Ugh, bad salsa track - Como Los Quiero. (It's like watered down Sergio George or something.)

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 23:15 (sixteen years ago) link

I pasted the below on the critics polls 2007 thread. RS, does the inclusion of the Spanish Harlem Orchestra make you skeptical of this list? If you move to New Mexico, you can be a guest dj at this station at the University of New Mexico in Albuquerque (maybe):

afropop.org published this list of Top 10 Latin Dance from Louis Head, Ceiba Productions Southwest/KUNM-FM

AGUA DE LUNA • Mi Tiempo • Agua (original import)
The Venezuelan salsa scene is exploding. Oscar D'León has moved back home, and over ten orchestras released CDs this year on the international market. Agua de Luna’s “Agua” is exemplary and a must have.

THE SPANISH HARLEM ORCHESTRA • United We Swing • Six Degrees
Oscar Hernández took his Spanish Harlem Orchestra to new heights in 2007. My favorites are the cha-cha En El Tiempo del Palladium and “Plena con Sabor.”

HAVANA POWER BAND • Timba Y Corazón • Envidia (original import)
Just because we do not hear much Cuban music these days, don’t think for a second that the scene on the island stopped happening. Havana Power Band is the new thing in timba, and this CD kills.

RICARDO LEMVO & MAKINA LOCA • Isabela • Mopiato Music
Ricardo Lemvo plays very comfortable tempo salsa, with a groove that dancers love. I think that Isabela is his best yet.

PANCHO AMAT • Llegó El Tresero • Egrem (original import)
Another superior CD from Pancho Amat, arguably the greatest tres player in business. This is typical Cuban son at its best.

AZUQUITA • Pura Salsa: Azuquita Y Su Orquesta Melao – Limited Edition • Emusica
2007 will be remembered as the year that hundreds of remastered Fania label CDs were released by Emusica, most with great sound and all with extensive liner notes. “Pura Salsa” is a little heard gem from 1975 by the great Panamanian singer Camilo “Azuquita” Argumedes.

ALFREDO VALDES, JR. • De La Habana A New York • Envidia
Alfredito Valdés brings together a collection of some of the best of New York and Havana for one of the most exciting outings of the year.

LOS MUÑEQUITOS DE MATANZAS • Tambor De Fuego • BIS (original import)
OK, this is not club music, but Los Muñequitos are all about dancing and this is yet another chapter from their prolific, evolving history, produced by our friend Cary Diez.

CALLE 13 • Residente O Visitante • Sony Norte
Don’t call this “reggaeton” but rather, “brilliant.” René “Residente” Pérez Joglar and Eduardo José “Visitante” Cabra Martínez make the rest of the “dem bow” beat fare sound like so much cliché. Some of the smartest music you will ever hear, and THE Latin dance music CD of 2007, period.

NILS FISCHER & TIMBAZO • ¡Gracias Joe Cuba! • Walboomers (original import)
Who says the Dutch don’t play good salsa? This is arguably the best salsa CD of 2007, with inspired performances by Cuban bassist Alain Perez, trumpet great Brian Lynch, Venezuelan percussionist Gerardo Rosales and others. Timba-fied old school that is memorable.

-- curmudgeon, Thursday, December 27, 2007 2:04 AM (

curmudgeon, Thursday, 27 December 2007 02:31 (sixteen years ago) link

I did like the Ricardo Lemvo album, but it isn't all that exciting. Just kind of solid and adorable.

Dimension 5ive, Thursday, 27 December 2007 04:09 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, I got that one as a freebie from some contest, as mentioned upthread somewhere, and it was fine but haven't been compelled to play it very often.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 27 December 2007 12:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Uh, this Ñejo y Dalmata has some really good stuff on it. I like the beats, I like the sonics, I like their flow. "Un Call" has this Isley Brothersesque little synth squiggle, and there's other stuff like that throughout. The beats have me bouncing around my apartment to an almost embarrassing degree, because I don't know how to dance like this. (Or do I?)

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 28 December 2007 22:29 (sixteen years ago) link

I need to check that out.

The Reverend, Saturday, 29 December 2007 05:55 (sixteen years ago) link

That was the idea.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 December 2007 12:30 (sixteen years ago) link

There are a few mis-steps but it's mostly very good. I actually have only heard what turns out to be an incomplete version, maybe a leaked early version. But most of it is there.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 December 2007 12:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Reverend, have you ever heard the reggaeton tracks from Pilar Montenegro's Pilar & Co: South Beach CD? I haven't heard the whole thing, but I really like what I've heard. It's a more poppy take on reggaeton, but I just realized that I may like one little thing the keyboards/synths are doing because it has kind of the same ornamentation of melody that you hear in Arabic music. Granted, it's on a very small scale, but it just jumped out at me that that might be one of the things that hooks me in.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 December 2007 13:15 (sixteen years ago) link

No, but I can't help but notice reggaeton producers like to cop a lot of Arabic/Indian motifs. Btw, check this out if you haven't.

As far as Nejo & Dalmato go, I like the couple songs I've heard. I like "Algo Musical" more than "Sexy Movimiento" (which has grown on me, somewhat) and probably about as much as "Quitarte To", as far as rhythmically similar reggaeton singles go. "Mi Dia de Suerte" sounds like the Postal Service (!)

The Reverend, Saturday, 29 December 2007 13:47 (sixteen years ago) link

I think I saw that Wayne & Wax post at the time.

No, but I can't help but notice reggaeton producers like to cop a lot of Arabic/Indian motifs

I think that's only going to increase thanks to Don Omar's interest in collaborating with Arabs, and thanks to Deevani (who I hope doesn't disappoint me when she finally puts out a solo album).

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 December 2007 14:21 (sixteen years ago) link

I look forward to a Deevani album, too. What's Don Omar up to?

The Reverend, Saturday, 29 December 2007 14:32 (sixteen years ago) link

He did that song with the Egyptian singer Hakim ("Tiggy Tiggy"), not that I like it that much, but I think he's collaborating with him on a larger scale, if I remember correctly.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 December 2007 14:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh, this is good.

The Reverend, Saturday, 29 December 2007 14:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Tigy Tigy you mean? (I mis-spelled it.)

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 December 2007 14:55 (sixteen years ago) link

One thing I forgot to mention on Broke & Famous is that there's one track that is in dembow clave (so to speak), but the dembow isn't really made explicit (or maybe just isn't there for 99% of it). I'm not sure I've heard that done before. I need to go back and make sure I heard right.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 December 2007 14:58 (sixteen years ago) link

"Tigy Tigy", yeah. Which track on Broke & Famous?

The Reverend, Saturday, 29 December 2007 15:01 (sixteen years ago) link

I forget. Listening now, I think it's "Se Va Se Va."

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 December 2007 15:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Nice trick on "Tigy Tigy": the dembow is more dominant on Hakim's parts and the more Arab rhythms are more dominant on at least some of Don Omar's parts ("Boricua tigy tigy").

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 December 2007 15:10 (sixteen years ago) link

I really like the chord progressions in "Tigy Tigy".

The Reverend, Saturday, 29 December 2007 15:22 (sixteen years ago) link

"Se Va, Se Va" accents the backbeat, rather than the offbeats. It's three-one-TWO-two, instead of the dembow's three-ONE-two-TWO.

The Reverend, Saturday, 29 December 2007 15:30 (sixteen years ago) link

I will listen again.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 December 2007 15:32 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm sure I mentioned Tigy Tigy before, but maybe it was on the whirled music thread. (Also, of course there is no guarantee you check out every last scrap of things I link to, which is smart because sometimes I link to things and later think, why did I link to that?)

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 December 2007 15:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Results of Don Omar/Hakim collaboration starting to emerge:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QziZD7Fwyc

-- Rockist Scientist, Monday, September 10, 2007 1:46 AM (3 months ago) Bookmark Link

"emerge"

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 December 2007 15:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, also "Fue W" from Wisin y Yandel Presentan Los Vaqueros (which I haven't heard in its entirety) is great in a W&Y formulaic way.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 December 2007 16:25 (sixteen years ago) link

I like that heavy industrial/techno echoey sound that comes in and out.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 December 2007 16:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Also, somebody needs to bring khaleeji rhythms to the west (although it's the incredibly great vocals in the foreground here--this is a topnotch Arab singer, imo):

http://www.melody4arab.com/player/en_player_3606.htm

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 December 2007 16:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Check out the banner ad on this Arabic music site:

http://www.oghnia.com/images/allied-media.gif

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 December 2007 16:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Ermm...interesting.

The Reverend, Saturday, 29 December 2007 17:18 (sixteen years ago) link

You know what's really stuck in my head to the point of walking down the street singing the chorus when nobody is nearby? "Mirala."

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 December 2007 21:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Hey, is there any chance of a Salsa y Mas mix this year? I need to hear all the good salsa I haven't been paying attention to for the past year.

The Reverend, Sunday, 30 December 2007 12:09 (sixteen years ago) link

Maybe I will do one a few months into 2008. I haven't been keeping up, but from what I've heard/read about, there's not so much to include. I do have the advantage that I allow myself to cover two year, so it would be 2006/07, which would give me a chance to pull in some things I missed from '06. But I'm not sure I'm going to continue.

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 30 December 2007 13:28 (sixteen years ago) link

I used to be a regular here, back when I was dancing. It's small, but it's been a very popular place for dancing and the atmosphere is generally good:

http://clubheatphilly.com/brasils/progalleries/index.htm

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 31 December 2007 12:37 (sixteen years ago) link

And now I recognize nobody but the DJ, one bar-tender (I think), and a couple instructors. Maybe one or two other people.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 31 December 2007 12:38 (sixteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...

Checking out Gilberto Santa Rosa's "No Estoy Para Ti" (from the new album). This is definitely one of his better songs.

I generally need a strong vocal center in salsa (which might be one reason, among others, that La 33, which I was also checking out earlier, leaves me cold).

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 00:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Ew, the synth on "Conteo Regresivo" gets pretty bad. WHY do they do this? (I'm actually listening to this on Rhapsody, where I still have some free listens.)

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 01:00 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh wait, this is the 2007 thread.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 01:02 (sixteen years ago) link


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