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Search and Destroy : New Order
You know what to do. My picks : Search for "Avalanche", the instrumental at the end of "Republic". Destroy the single version of " Subculture" - a great album track ruined.
-- Dr. C ([email protected]), February 6th, 2001.
RFD: new single by New Order now online
New Order have a new album coming out, and a new single, called "Crystal". Go to http://www.winamp.com/music/events/july/ for the link to d/l. Does it suck?
-- Dave M. ([email protected]), July 20th, 2001.
Taking Sides: New Order v. Joy Division
Joy Division are pretty good, but New Order are better, because they manage to be both miserable and funky at the same time.
-- The Dirty Vicar ([email protected]), October 16th, 2001.
New Order Substance album R rubbish
I R wondering, anyone knowing of any other New ORder single collection? IE one that are having proper versions, rather than awful club remixs?
-- Fatnick ([email protected]), December 3rd, 2001.
New Order:Sublime or Ridiculous?
tell me should i give them a go?
-- young girl ([email protected]), February 7th, 2002.
Challenge: Find One Good Line in New Order's 'Get Ready'
So I finally listened to 'Get Ready', and it isn't bad. But it contains some of the weakest
rhymes I've ever had the misfortune to hear ("money" with "honey", "shout" with "about", etc.) It ends with
"I'm gonna live til I die/I'm gonna live to get high."
Good god, these are some of the worst lyrics I've
ever heard! Even for Bernard Sumner!
Challenge: Find one non-insipid rhyme in that entire album.
It doesn't exist. I'm convinced.
-- geeta ([email protected]), February 20th, 2002.
How much input R Gillian Gilbert having on New Order songwriting?
here R somthing that R being perplexing me since hearing "Get Ready" - how much input R she having on writing music? I R before thinking she R token girly, who R in band cos she R drummer girlfriend. But minute she R dissapearing, they R becoming Primal Scream tribute! (yukyuK!)Maybe she R song writing genius, or maybe she R needing to be at writing sessions to soak up excess testosterone. Who R knowing.
-- I R Fatnick ([email protected]), March 9th, 2002.
Taking Sides: AC/DC vs Joy Division/New Order
1) Both of two distinct phases, marked by original vocalists dying by own hands. Second phases vastly succesful commercially, despite almost-universal critical consensus on superiority and breadth of influence of first.
2) Bands initiate second phase by replacing deceased 'personality' vocalists with almost completely different characters. Latter-day vocalists "best" to aficionados of pub blooze/whateverNOfansarecalled, "absolute totally unlistenably fucking worst" to the unconvinced or even neutral. Also, vocal focus moves from 'lyrics' to 'grain' or 'texture'
3)New Order denied Nazi connotations of name despite it being the SECOND consecutive Fuehrer-flavoured collective designation and also despite Ian Curtis' fascination with odd ideas (not forgetting their dark senses of humour and penchant for constant intoxication, Wilson's bullshit factory etc). AC/DC denied gay connotations of name despite songs such as "Big Balls", "She's Got Balls", and "Got You By The Balls", and also despite their puerile sense of humour and penchant for constant intoxication.
4)Compare performances by Phil Rudd and Steven Morris on, respectively (musical and/or loose career-point similarity); "Riff Raff"/"Transmission", "What's Next to the Moon"/"Atrocitty Exhibition", "Night Prowler"/"24 Hours", "Highway to Hell"/"Love Will Tear Us Apart", "Back in Black"/"Confusion", "You Shook Me All Night Long"/"Blue Monday"
-- dave q ([email protected]), April 16th, 2002.
Are New Order into God and Christianity and stuff
I need to know to settle an argument.
-- Tim Stewart ([email protected]), August 5th, 2002.
Joy Division vs. New Order
Yeah, I know it's "cooler" to like Joy Division, but dammit, I just think New Order has better music. What do you think?
-- Manny Parsons ([email protected]), August 5th, 2002.
New Order Back to Mine
01. Captain Beefheart and the Magic Band "Big Eyed Beans From Venus"
02. Primal Scream "Higher Than the Sun"
03. Missy Elliot "The Rain (Supa Dupa Fly)"
04. The Velvet Underground "Venus in Furs"
05. Doves "M62 Song"
06. Roxy Music "In Every Dream Home a Heartache"
07. Cat Stevens "Was Dog a Doughnut?"
08. Mantronix "Bassline"
09. The Groundhogs "Cherry Red"
10. Joey Beltram "Energy Flash"
11. Donna Summer "I Feel Love (Patrick Cowley mix)"
12. Can "Mushroom"
13. Rhythim is Rhythim "The Dance"
14. Giorgio Vs Talla 2XLC "E=MC2"Yawnsome. Nothing if not predictable..
-- Tariq ([email protected]), August 21st, 2002.
Joy Division vs New Order
Joy Division all the way!
-- David Allen ([email protected]), November 5th, 2002.
S/D: performers that sound like new order
s: paul haig? the bridge?d: ?
-- tony bleach ([email protected]), November 11th, 2002.
Has anyone bought New Order's Retro yet?
If so, how was the bonus fifth CD packaged? I bought it as a present and have wrapped and sent it without checking if, as the sticker claimed, the bonus CD was inside. Anyone know?
-- Dr. C ([email protected]), December 11th, 2002.
new order - true faith
does anybody know where i mightve heard this song before!?!! its driving me crazy
-- trife ([email protected]), July 1st, 2003.
New Order - Technique
is what's playing right now in my living room. I think it's a terrific record but I can't say why exactly. Can you? I could have called this thread "Say Something Interesting About Technique", I suppose. It came out at the start of 1989 - Select magazine once called it the best album of the 80s. At the back of my mind there's a nagging feeling we've had a thread on it before (I know we've had lots on the people who made it) but it seems weirdly undiscussable.
-- Tico Tico ([email protected]), October 21st, 2003.
New Order's "Crystal" video still ranks as the most prescient move of all time.
Utter fucking genius.
-- Chris Ott ([email protected]), November 1st, 2003.
Represent: Your Favorite Track Off Of New Order - Substance 1987
-- calstars ([email protected]), November 12th, 2003.
I Need The Tracklisting for "Brotherhood" by New Order
I Need the Tracklisting for "Brotherhood" by New Order
I'm Pretty Sure the one on AMG isn't right
also if it isn't too much trouble can someone post the front and back covers?
-- Dude ([email protected]), April 19th, 2004.
NEW ORDER ask BRIAN ENO to produce their next album?!?!?!?!
Holy...I think I'm going to lose consciousness at the mere thought...
they're only the best band in the history of the universe and he's...no slouch himself, particualarly as a producer...I can't breathe.It's probably just a rumour. Damn April Fools.
-- bimble ([email protected]), April 20th, 2004.
Watching an aged New Order performing "Transmission" on my computer is fun
If you buy the new "In Sessions" CD, it's enhanced so you can put it in your computer and watch them do a live performance of "Transmission". Despite the fact I can almost hear Ian Curtis' non-existant voice during it, I find it fun to watch regardless. Damn is Stephen Morris ever fast on those cymbals!Also this is what finally inspired me to go out and buy a new monitor today. My old one was too dark a lot of the time to see pictures very well, and my new one is bigger.
I don't care if this thread gets no responses whatsoever. I'm a New Order freak, so kill me.
-- bimble ([email protected]), May 8th, 2004.
Taking Sides: "A Little Respect" v (New Order's) "Temptation"
You know you're making me work so hard.
-- Chris Ott ([email protected]), June 4th, 2004.
Do you ever wish the world had taken the bandname "New Order" literally and Bernard Sumner &co. ruled the entire universe?
I bet Total Request Live would be way more watchable...
-- Richard K ([email protected]), July 20th, 2004.
Why does Simon Reynolds avoid New Order?
Should anyone here one day stich a patchwork rug linking all Simon's analyses and continuums across British dance history, they'll be alarmed to discover a glaring hole right where New Order fits in.If Joy Division, the Happy Mondays, 808 State, Primal Scream, et al should earn a mention in Generation Ecstacy/Energy Flash, why is he so reluctant to talk about other people of equal significance?
-- Stephen Stockwell ([email protected]), August 25th, 2004.
The best song ever recorded in the history of humankind was "Everything's Gone Green" by New Order
Just thought I'd let you know.
-- Bimble ([email protected]), September 10th, 2004.
Taking Sides: Pet Shop Boys vs. New Order
I love them both, but I'll have to go with Pet Shop Boys, cause, well their my fav. group.
-- daavid ([email protected]), September 21st, 2004.
Manics' "Lifeblood" = "Everything Must Go" + New Order
Really.
-- Simon H. ([email protected]), September 21st, 2004.
new order question
WWWRL? WTF? I've always wondered what the hell they mean by "WWWRL"? Who knows?
-- Dixon ([email protected]), September 28th, 2004.
New Order "All Day Long" C or D?
One good thing about the US's strongly expressed hate and fear of urban values is that maybe they'll go back to making 70s type films depicting really scuzzy, decrepit urban environments! Like "Cruising", "Warriors", "Death Wish" etc. Movies set in NYC were way cooler before the film industry became a branch of local tourism promoters! Also the LA equivalent, 'showbiz' films where everybody's a despicable pistol-waving cokehead. Anyway, I think the interweb was the worst thing to ever happen to rural areas, now everybody out here THINKS they know everything about the rest of the world (even though they've never actually seen it), and they sure don't like it none. 'Moral Relativism' as a monolith out to destroy them all!! Like they ever bothered thinking about 'culture' before somebody told them it was threatened, but is memory necessary where the past is alive?
-- dave q ([email protected]), November 6th, 2004.
New Order - Waiting For The Sirens Call
The new New Order album Waiting For the Sirens Call is out on March 28th. A certain few who have heard it at a playback have been saying great things about it. Ana Matronic sings on one track "Jetstream" (which is meant to be the 3rd single) and the closing track "Working Overtime" apparently sees New Order go glam rock. Other tracks include first single "Krafty", post-club comedown track "Road to Ruin" and the title track which is due to be the second single. It's meant to be more dance oriented than "Get Ready", one listener said it's maybe on a par with "Technique"I am positively drooling at the prospect of it being on a par with "Technique".
-- Neil FC ([email protected]), January 12th, 2005.
In Praise of...Brotherhood by New Order
It's a personal thing for me, this album, because it was the first New Order album I bought. It had "Bizarre Love Triangle" on it, there wasn't any way I was not going to buy it. While I think I bought Substance shortly thereafter -- and within a year's time Technique was out -- it was the first time I'd heard New Order all at once, as it were.
From a distance, listening to it again now, what's surprising to me is how much I must have taken in from it without my fully being aware of it at all at the time, and not just simply about the band in general. There's a lot of what made New Order New Order here, of course, but it also fits into so many different strands and crosses over into other ways and approaches around music, at least as I've become more familiar with it -- and yet at the same time it also stands out all the more strongly and uniquely. Really, I think this is like little else I've heard in a way -- it's that much on its own.
I say that even though "Paradise" almost starts out stereotypically in some eyes -- "Hey, isn't that a drum machine and synth bass? Oh, right, eighties crap." Yeah, thanks. But then Bernard's voice comes in and what the hey? It's this weird, understated mournful flat thing initially except then he suddenly slips into this cascade of "I want you, I want you, I need you, I need you" over his own "La la la la la" moments and what seems simplicity itself -- or too simplistic -- becomes this emotional cry, restrained and quavering but still to the heart. There's That Peter Hook bass snaking beneath it all, suddenly stepping more to the fore on the break, another chorus and then it's back to drums and synth bass and then back again for Hook and the band to find what they do so ridiculously well -- mantras. Perfect compact mantras, masters of repetition and quiet variation, in this case fading away.
Making the speaker-scanning kick to "Weirdo" that much of a wake-up. What in the world did I think of this when I first heard it? Nothing could have been so specific and precisely, not quite like that and not quite so open and able to work the technological possibilities of stereo in that way. Perhaps that sounds strange but at the time I had heard nothing quite like it and even now it's a *strange* way to start a song, especially once that turns into one of those 'is it New Order or is it the Cure or is it both' rushed quick-electric-scrabble-from-Bernard and loping and lovely Hook basslines and Steven Morris's drums seemingly everywhere even when they're not. The mix is that full somehow and when the mantra of this song surfaces on the instrumental coda, the bass now really standing to the fore while everything slots into place around it, you can hear rock-not-being-ROCK, it's like -- "Wait, hold on, how come all these other guitar/bass/drums line-ups can't sound like this, so fresh and alive?" I don't get it (then and now).
And then "As It Was When It Was." Okay, how many smug motherfuckers trashed NO and more like them for being 'soulless synth music' without actually listening to the music and how many didn't realize this was a freakin' folk song? And not like "Love Vigilantes" on Low-life, this is something that various unplugged combos have yet to get around to doing something with (and Frente! would have seized up at the idea because they had been FUCKING TRUMPED already with this number). Because it's still clearly a New Order song, the melodic bass, that strong but not overbearing beat and rush and clatter (when everything rocks out a bit more then it becomes the Wedding Present but it's MORE than the Wedding Present ever did and I like them!) and then there's that one despairingly but not mopily sung bit where Bernard says "I always thought/We'd get along like a house on fire." Yow. THAT'S a line.
In retrospect the opening part of "Broken Promise" is sorta like the start of "Isolation," but what's a little self-plagiarism between friends, and I hadn't heard Closer at that point. Arguably at this point the album seems to have found formula, the lower-key singing in the verse, the step up to a higher register in the chorus, the quick propulsion heralded by most of the earlier songs, but it swings so well, Bernard conversational in apology and confusion and then delivering, yup, another anti-solo solo, my goodness can he find mood in the most basic of chord changes. It all just sounds so GOOD -- and they produced it themselves with Michael Johnson engineering. Why'd they keep hanging around with Stephen Hague again?
Ah, "Way of Life." Now THAT's a start to a song: feedback tone, huge rumbling drums, a descending bass line and we're off to the races. The basic blend and balance is the same as the album's established but this time around Bernard is more 'up' with his voice from the start and everything is a bit like a skip down the lane if you let it -- so the change on the chorus is inspired, go for a direct rather than a contrasting overdub and he sounds so gentle almost, even though again he's essentially lashing out at somebody for screwing something up. But it's delivered like a gentle kiss and the non-solo really IS a solo this time and it's a skybound motherfucker, aspirational, rising up, slipping into one of Hook's honest to god lowest bass rumbles ever, Morris just keeping the time efficiently and then we're all back again. Simple moments, simple songs but it all combines and recombines, and again, it's like...why NOT rock this way, with such grace and power all at once? So apparently effortless, like watching a massive airplane take off into the sunset with no extraneous noise and no exhaust.
"Bizarre Love Triangle," you have to understand, was my introduction to New Order -- that and "Blue Monday" shortly thereafter, but "Bizarre Love Triangle" was on top 40 radio in my neck of the woods and it's tangled up with so many things it's hard to separate it out now, but what's interesting in context of this album is that all of a sudden Gillian Gilbert turns up with the keyboards and WOW! That swirling up-and-down progression before the chorus, the overload of string/tone/bells/whatever on the chorus itself turning it into a soundtrack for indeed, falling through the air (Longo knew what he was doing with the video), even the orchestral stabs! Nothing more eighties than that perhaps but how it slots in, so nice. And everything blends together and Bernard's the regretful voice at the center of it all (I think Bernard's one of the closest things to a hero I'll have in music because, after all, he was never *supposed* to be the vocalist, he ended up being one, he's not a singer as such and he is just perfectly RIGHT for what's going on).
"All Day Long" could have been a Suzanne Vega song under another guise but I can't remember if she ever created something quite so gently danceable ("Left of Center" I suppose, in a 'well, maybe' way). So there's the serious verses and then the lights are ON! Another sparkling circular keyboard part, Hook's bass, it's like the floodlights opened up. Bernard gets the message across, implicitly denies the politicization of arguments in music (in a way) and then the band takes over. Now this is a treat, because consider, you've got Hook getting a showcase for the bass, then Gilbert gets this stately string synth part like a royal progression, then Bernard's in with the twangy guitar that's, I dunno, Hank Peters slowed down via Morricone, Gilbert gets *another* beautiful orchestration to play around with, and then everything completely recombines into the extended ending. Just lovely. And the fact that Morris is apparently relying on drum programs throughout would have pissed some people off because apparently it wasn't real! Hey fuckfaces, he's the drummer, let him do what he wants, he's better on the machine than you are with the real thing! Sorry, venting.
"Angel Dust" is the one song I completely forget had any lyrics to it before I listened to it, so I guess it's the stumbling block. Perhaps. I mean, the introduction to it -- muzzein sample aside, if that's what it is, I think it is -- is sorta like 'exciting chase music for Sylvester Stallone cop drama 1986!' soundtracks which I admit is sorta pointless. Jan Hammer was cornering that market, let him do the job. But the flipside is that this is the extension of "Confusion" and similar songs before ACIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIED changed everything MAN and as such sorta works here as another experimentation in the form, though without Arthur Baker around. Some good moments and bits, even a percussion break from Morris. Maybe not quite the best song.
"Every Little Counts" though is something else. I mean, sure, NOW I hear it and I'm all, "Ah right, 'Heroin' by the Velvets, of course." Except it isn't because Lou would have never kept in a bit of himself fluffing the opening line and laughing and continuing on, you can hear the smile as he sings. Now that's a treat, and of course the song just builds up and gets more and more majestic, it's not a rise and fall like the Velvets, it's more this continuation with pauses that gets more and more involved, second by second, into that final extended noisebit (me at 16: "What the FUCK?") and then the record scratches (but I bought this on CD!) and there's something else for a second (any guesses?) and then it's over.
It's over. Damn. I'll have to play it again.
-- Ned Raggett ([email protected]), January 27th, 2005.
What exactly was the beef between Crawling Chaos and Joy Division/New Order
I remember reading about a feud between Joy Division and Crawling Chaos. It's also documented that New Order, at its first gig, announced "We're the last survivors of crawling chaos." So what was up between the two camps?
-- mike a ([email protected]), January 28th, 2005.
Nevermind Courtney Love, have you SEEN how FATNew Order have gotten???
In the latest issue of Q (with Led Zep on the cover.....and tell me, why?), New Order are featured in the "Cash for Questions" section. Words fail me. Also, who is this Phil Cunnigham character? He looks like Mark McKinney from "The Kids in the Hall'" after a rushed lobotomy.
-- Alex in NYC ([email protected]), February 5th, 2005.
New New Order
I like what I'm hearing. It's called Waiting for the Siren's Call and due out in the U.S. in mid-April. You can download a few tracks here:http://scenestars.net/2005/02/new-order-krafty.php
-- Jazzbo ([email protected]), February 9th, 2005.
NEW ORDER - Krafty Remixes: Who's Holding?
I'm desperate to hear the mixes to Krafty. I've heard radio broadcasts of the Glimmer Dub and the Phones Reality Mix and they both sound awesome. The Krafty Promo CD2 has a Riton Dub that won't be on the official CD singles or the 12". They've going for an arm and a leg on Ebay but i can't find the files online yet. Anyone find these on SLSK? Would love to here the Riton Mixes along with the others. These mixes should be awesome.
-- biznotic ([email protected]), February 17th, 2005.
Be Music/Twice As Nice : the New Order productions CD series
There has definitely be talk about them, especially by Dan Selzer... in fact, I found this latest post:Looking forward to Twice as Nice. I love those 52nd Street records. Do you know what will be on Twice as Nice? If they go more for the scene and less for the specifics of having to be produced by New Order members, there's the Streetlife 12", tons of Paul Haig, Lavvi Ebbel or whatever it's called, I wonder what else.
I picked up Twice As Nice weeks ago while on sale, and I also have Be Music as well. Here's the track listing for Twice As Nice:
1. 52nd Street "Express"
2. Cheyne "Call Me Mr. Telephone"
3. Quando Quango "Low Rider (remix)"
4. Anna Domino "Summer (Arthur Baker Remix)"
5. 52nd Street "Look Into My Eyes"
6. Quando Quango "Genius (Part 2)"
7. Marcel King "Keep On Dancing"
8. Shark Vegas "You Hurt Me"
9. New Order "Video 586 (Edit)"
10. Section 25 "Sakura"
11. Thick Pigeon "Jess + Bart (Remix)"
12. RFATP "Motherland"
13. 52nd Street "Cool As Ice (Jellybean Mix)"
Now, I'm sure Dan has this by now, so I think his review will be best.
I've only had time to listen to the version of "5 8 6" here, and while it's nice and gritty and droney, I still think the definitive version of that song is the Peel Session version.. (and the Power, Corruption, And Lies version is great too! But the inner DJ fool in me complains that it's too impractical for beatmatching purposes, with the jumpy intro, fade in, and the "I see DAN-ger/DAN-ger/DAN-ger" that can screw up the segueing)
Anyway, I thought there ought to be thread dedicated to both of these compilations.. and possibly more followups, so go!
-- donut debonair ([email protected]), February 17th, 2005.
Who CARES how FAT OR THIN New Order are, they dedicated a song to the Killers!
Here's the photo, they won an NME award, Hooky looks fat, yes, and he also looks like he's about to cry and I happen to love that guy, like you might your own dad or John Peel, or maybe just your favourite musician. They played Crystal and dedicated it to the Killers. YES THEY DID. Woooo hoooo! Take a bite out of that Killers haterz!
From neworderonline:
Accepting their God Like Genius award singer Bernard Sumner said: "I'd like to thank the rest of the band for putting up with my ego."
Bassist Peter Hook also thanked the late Joy Division singer Ian Curtis.
Sumner added: "Thank you everyone and we are honoured to get this award. I'd like to thank NME - the NME helped us out when we were just starting out and twenty years old."
New Order then took to the stage to play a four song live set which featured ?Crystal' (dedicated to The Killers), new single 'Krafty', 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' and ?Blue Monday'.
-- Bimble... ([email protected]), February 18th, 2005.
Who's Going? New Order with Chemical Bros. Live April 29
New Order with Chemical Brothers in Oakland, April 29th.I got my tickets today at ticketmaster. password = faith. presale only right now, tix on sale Sunday at 10am PST. It's gonna be huge! Who else is planning on going?
Chicago and New York dates confirmed (May 3, May 5)
-- biznotic ([email protected]), March 10th, 2005.
A part of me wishes New Order would start encoring with "Guilt is a Useless Emotion" instead of "Blue Monday"
Am I crazy?
-- Josh in Chicago ([email protected]), March 12th, 2005.
In Praise Of : New Order's 'Movement'
A staggering feat of emotional intensity and sonic experimentation, New Order?s first long-player is simply their best album and Martin Hannett?s one true 40 minutes of production genius. No-one else has done what they did here, and not even the band themselves have followed up on the myriad ideas they and Hannett left hanging. I have no time for those who say that Movement is a grim trawl through the remnants of their time as Joy Division. It?s definitely a similarly intense experience as Closer, but the sense of a struggle to move forward gives the album its character and impact. Today we see the band in a blurred snapshot of what might have been. Crucially though, what might have been if they had moved in any one of the hundred or so directions that this record hints at, not what might have been if they had remained as Joy Division. Side 1. Straight in then ? ?Dreams Never End?, an out-of-character Trojan horse of an opener. A careful, studied intro with Steve?s bass drum punctuation gives way to a bright guitar and 6-string bass figure, promising a brisk ?Ceremony? ?type feel for the album. Definitely out of character, but still a magnificent track. And Hooky sings! Fragments of his double-tracked vocals hint at something darker in store ? ?A savage murder begun?.
?Truth?? filtered drum machine, simple bass, string synth and melodica weave a choppy backdrop for Barney?s hesitant vocal ? ?A strange day/such a strange day?) The chorus is wordless, a sheet of distorted guitar (Gillian? She used to play this part onstage) and a tattoo of distant toms. The whole effect is a stark, unblinking monochrome layer, ending with Hannett?s industrial whistling grind (A ?Factory??). The track fades with drum machines locked in a grim call and response.
?Senses?. More wild experimentation from Hannett ? treated synth and percussion, brittle, panned toms and a strange robo-voice which seems to be semi-speaking ?Ian Curtis, Ian Curtis?? This gives way to a one-string semi-funk guitar and hissing phased cymbals. Everything is out of balance, with the percussion right in the foreground and the rhythm guitar in the far distance. Hannett keeps the bass drum steady and loud, but swirls all the other percussion sounds in and out around Barney?s mournful vocal (?No reason ever was given?). Finally the song seems to gather itself and come into focus for a final coda with added synth.
?Chosen Time? Disco drums reminiscent of the Macclesfield motorik of ?Love Will Tear Us Apart? (the ?B? side version). A more conventional structure at first with a (synth?) bass pulse and tense, chattering guitars race into the imploring chorus ? ?Believe me/All I said to you?. You get the sense that everyone is trying something new with their instruments, trying to play slightly out of character, and it?s absolutely magnificent. Soon locust-like sounds swarm into the mix with rustling syn-drums, swamping the track as it ends in mid-bar.
Side 2. ?ICB? (Ian Curtis Buried?, I Can Begin? ? actually ICB is the name of a drum- synth.) Steve?s back to the pattering tom-toms and trademark hooting syn-drums. Quite a different arrangement from the Peel session, here everything is staccato, with only the bass providing forward motion. Barney sounds more confident, and the lyrics are brilliant ? ?line of force from heaven/a tear in a stranger?s eye?. The drums are again the lead instrument, until Hooky?s bassline returns and the song explodes into electronic orbit.
?The Him? ? more careful panning toms, a filtered melodica, a moaning string synth and Hooky?s mournful bass. ?Some days you waste your life away?. Everything is held at a distance until the snare breaks into the first, wordless chorus. The breakdown into a synth drone before the release of the final, repeated chorus (?I?m so tired/I?m so tired?) is a masterstroke.
?Doubts Even Here? ? the heart of the album and one of the three best tracks New Order have done. The drum machine returns for the intro, ushering in an utterly beautiful, doomy synth, which Hannett wisely doesn?t submerge in effects. Hooky?s back on vocals and his voice really suits the song. His lead-bass is also terrific ? a hint of the his glory days to come - and the bells and muffled thunderclaps are reminiscent of ?In A Lonely Place? . The lyrics signal unrequited love, loss and frailty : ?Those steps which seem to take a lifetime/when eyes just turn and stare/the day begins, collapsing without warning/you fade from sight there?s no-one there?. Gillian joins with spoken, muffled commentary underneath Hooky?s coda : ?Reveal to me/all that I need to know/now? and an ominous ?Don?t throw our joy away?. Simply brilliant, and almost too much to take.
?Denial? ends one of the most moving sides in rock. An exhausted ?What Goes On? guitar and twin synths envelope Barney so that few fragments of lyrics escape : ?The answer?s not there/it comes and goes/it frightens me?. A second guitar may join just before the ?Inside My Soul? line, but it may just as well be another illusion created by Hannett?s sleight of hand.
So that?s it - as the needle lifts from the vinyl I?m struck by just how much there is to say about this album, just how much still needs to be worked through and understood 24 years on. It sounded colossal and ?other? in 1981 and it sounds the same in 2005. Still brutal, still the new music.
-- Dr. C ([email protected]), April 25th, 2005.
Some people don't like New Order's cover of Jimmy Cliff's "Vietnam" - Why?
Yeah, give your reasons why it sucks. Because I can't understand what's wrong with it.
-- The Silent Disco of Glastonbury ([email protected]), May 8th, 2005.
New Order have done a ?Kid A? and ?Amnesiac? type of album, or they have another album done and ready for release
(XFM) Despite having only recently returned to the furor, New Order have told Xfm that the follow-up to ?Waiting For The Siren?s Call? is already complete and discussed how their collaboration with Scissor Sister Ana Matronic came about.
Peter Hook and Stephen Morris of New Order and Scissor Sister Ana Matronic dropped in Xfm for a chat with Lauren Laverne last week and addressed reports that their new record is already in the can (not that you heard that from us, mind).
?That?s a secret!? exclaimed bass player Hook when aksed if the rumours wrer true, ?To be honest, it?s very unusual for us to be that prolific. Every time you ?come back? the first question people ask is always, ?So why did it take so long??, so I think we thought by doing two at the same time interviewers would be scuppered for their first question.
?It was nice because at the end the ideas just came very quickly, but then we had so many ideas and Bernard [Sumner, vocalist] wouldn?t let any of em go. We?re used to him making our lives a misery, but he made us finish em all.?
?So we ended up with so many tracks we couldn?t choose between them because they all sounded like A-sides,? Morris continued. ?In the end we just tried to make the record run smoothly.?
Ana Matronic and the New Order pair also spoke about how the collaboration on their new single ?Jetstream? came about.
?When we were recording ?Jetstream? in the studio, we were quite happy with it. But one of our esteemed colleagues at Warner Brothers felt there was something missing and that Ana could add that something.
?And we thought, ?You what? The Scissor Sisters? Are You Joking?? And low and behold as it came to pass, she did. And me and Stephen are great believers in people having part time jobs, something to fall back on. I?ve got a milk round,? Hook jokes. ?And I?m in plumbing,? Morris adds?
At this point conversation turned to plumbing, mending Lauren?s broken boiler and general vocational employment-related double entendre. However, when conversation returned to the single, Ana explained,
?And so I got a cryptic email that said ?Is Ana a New Order fan? and so I wrote back a simple ?Well, duh!? And then about a week later I got a call to lend my vocals to the track. It was very nerve wracking at first I thought I?d have to be in the studio with the band, but I had a great few days recording with Steve Price.
?In fact, Scissor Sisters? first tour of the UK was as support act for Steve's band Zoot Woman, so we?re pretty friendly and we had fun. But last week was only the first time we?ve performed the track together live at the Hammerstein Ballroom in New York. I?m still deciding whether to join the guys for the festivals. I may come along for Glastonbury...?
-- BeeOK ([email protected]), May 22nd, 2005.
New Order 's"Blue Monday" Single Oops!
Hey Everybody,My Brother got New Order's "Blue Monday" single yesterday. It's and original Factory Records pressing (1983 Fac 1973).
Anyways, I was playing it on my turntable, on side A, but "The Beach" came on insted of "Blue Monday" and I flipped it to the B-Side and "Blue Monday" came on insted of "The Beach"
I know it's basically the same song but any fool would know that "Blue Monday" starts with that Drum Machine going "Du-du-dudududududududu-du-du-du-du"
I was looking to see if there was any printing mistakes on any of these singles but I can't see to find one. Maybe all of them are like this. I dunno.
If anyone knows anything about this then please help me out. Email me back.
-Mike
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P.S. Bring Back the FUNK!!!
-- MichaelCostello1 ([email protected]), May 28th, 2005.
"Such A Good Thing" is the song every New Order skeptic should hear
If the Beatles and Lou Reed had a love child, and it was adopted by New Order...angels would sing in the heavens and the Cocteau Twins would be jealous. And I maintain that is what has occured with New Order's "Such A Good Thing", the b-side to a 2002 re-release of the "World In Motion" single.I need to understand why this song beats every single other track they've done since reforming. But I can't explain it. And I've played it enough times now to be past any skeptic scrutiny. I give up. My fascination with it has not waned. If they did a whole album of songs that good, the universe would explode.
-- The Silent Disco of Glastonbury ([email protected]), June 5th, 2005.
is new order's "regret" the greatest music video ever?
...because i'm pretty sure it is.
-- william, it was really nothing ([email protected]), June 6th, 2005.
New Order - Round and Round
So if I can get the US 12" with the following:6:50 Round & Round (12" version)
7:09 Round & Round (club mix)
6:53 Round & Round (12" remix)
4:32 Best and Marsh
How hard do I need to work to make sure I get the remaining?
6:29 Round & Round (detroit mix)
Is the detroit mix any good? Worth the hunt?
-- matt2 ([email protected]), June 16th, 2005.
Anyone read True Faith: Armchair Guide to New Order?
It's your basic chronological discography/gig history book and includes all the side projects. (He really likes Revenge), but it has comments and opinions throughout, so it's pretty readable.It was written by Dave Thompson, anyone have any background info on him? I've never heard of him.
I was just wondering if anyone who's read it if there's any glaring omissions or just how complete it really is.
I know it doesn't mention the cassette version of the B-sides Substance called Sides with a blue and yellow cover, nor does it cover any soundtrack appearances.
-- Viz ([email protected]), June 20th, 2005.
New Order- "Best Remixes"
Right, so there's this thing up on the iTunes store today:http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playlistId=71976055
A compilation of New Order remixes past and present. Now, I love New Order to death, but my knowledge of b-sides, remixes and anything even slightly obscure stops at the Substance comp. So, are any of these worth bothering with? I know "Perfecto" means "Paul Oakenfold" means "Shitty trance to avoid like the plague," but the clips of the other tracks are far too short to tell...
-- Telephonething ([email protected]), June 22nd, 2005.
New Order DVD News
From billboard.com via worldinmotion.net:New Order has rounded up 22 music videos and a 1993 documentary for the upcoming DVD "Item," due Sept. 13 via Warner Music. According to a spokesperson, one disc of the package includes clips for such classic tracks as "Blue Monday," "True Faith," "Bizarre Love Triangle," "The Perfect Kiss" and "Regret," as well as two newly shot videos for "Ceremony" and "Temptation."
The other disc will house the documentary "New Order Story," which chronicles the group transformation from Joy Division into worldwide dance/rock superstars. The film was previously released on VHS but has been expanded here to twice its original 70-minute length.
*eyes roll into back of head*
-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...) (webmail), July 15th, 2005. (link)
-- The Ghost of Dan Perry ([email protected]), July 15th, 2005.
Taking Sides: New Order vs. Depeche Mode
Specifically, a comparison of this year's "comebacks" would be more fruitful than the old stuff which is classic all around of course (though I would go with New Order in a pinch).I did search for this, by the way, a little shocked that I didn't find it--if I somehow missed it plz delete k thx!
-- richardk ([email protected]), August 11th, 2005.
New Order song titles that never were and might not ever be.
Inspired by my brother, who, when I mentioned I was listening to "Ball of Confusion", suggested that "Balls of Confusion" should be the title to a NO song.
-- Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! ([email protected]), September 7th, 2005.
Find me a song which is the exact midpoint between "Therese" by the Bodines, and New Order's "Regret"!
I think i would like such a song
-- Jole ([email protected]), October 29th, 2005.
New Order and Marr to play Manchester for charity
http://www.manchestervcancer.co.uk
-- Ned T.Rifle ([email protected]), December 13th, 2005.
Stuart Price remix of New Order's I told you so
Does anyone still have the mp3 of the Stuart Price remix of New Order's I told you so...Please I love this track and I miss the link below
-- sebastien garban ([email protected]), February 22nd, 2006.
NEW ORDER I TOLD YOU SO (STUART PRICE REMIX)
Does anyone still have the mp3 of the Stuart Price remix of New Order's I told you so...Please I love this track and I miss the link below
-- seb garban ([email protected]), February 22nd, 2006.
New Order's worst song wins award
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4779376.stm
Also worse rapping on disc ever?
-- Ned T.Rifle ([email protected]), March 7th, 2006.
um, whaidaminnit, HOW MANY New Order 12" singles?
Just saw an ad in an oldish NME for HMV, they're stocking reissues of loads of 12" singles, remixes old new and unreleased.I didn't count them, but whoa...
(Kinda allied to the multiformatting thread..)
-- mark grout ([email protected]), March 20th, 2006.
― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Sunday, 26 March 2006 18:47 (twenty years ago)