Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

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Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha Shakey I hadn't seen that before! There's . . . I don't know . . . a certain kinda irony there . . . < /obvious joke>

J (Jay), Thursday, 20 January 2005 01:07 (nineteen years ago) link

This thread is so flappin' long I forgot who was irked about DMB suing record stores for selling boots, but I had meant to comment that they are righteous in doing so; bootlegs are FREE, not 60 bucks. They freely allow tapers to record all of their shows so long as a profit is not being made. It is how they acquired their fanbase to begin with. Just an fyi, yo.

Miss Chevious Grin, Thursday, 20 January 2005 04:02 (nineteen years ago) link

quiet represent who dmb is

Dave Matthews Band: Their Success And Their Music
Who is the Dave Matthews Band? Five years ago that question would have gotten nothing more than a weird stare and a stupid look. But today you would get everything but that. The Dave Matthews Band is one of the most successful bands of the late 20th century. But many ask how a band so new has become so successful in such a relatively short period of time. Many come to wonder if it was their music, their look, or possibly something else that has made the Dave Matthews Band what they are today. It is my opinion that the Dave Matthews Band's success comes from their earth-toned acoustical music, their buttoned flannel shirts and their khaki pants, their heart-laced lyrics, and the need for many Jerry Garcia "Dead Head" survivors to find a new musical connection to life.

Using the Official Dave Matthews Web Page (http://dmband.com) as a reference tool, I found that the life of the Dave Matthews Band saga begins early in 1991.Dave Matthews decided to put the songs he'd been writing on tape. But rather than recording just his voice and guitar, he decided to gather some other musicians to give the project a fuller sound. Carter Beauford, Leroi Moore, Stefan Lessard, and Boyd Tinsley teamed with Dave Matthews and became the Dave Matthews Band. After several rehearsals in basements, they were ready to play in public. The first gig was May 11, 1991 at a party on the roof of an apartment building in Charlottesville. About 40 people were in attendance that night. Their first open-to-the-public performance was at the 1991 Earth Day Festival on Charlottesville, Virginia's Downtown Mall. That exposure led to regular Tuesday night gigs at a small restaurant called Eastern Standard. Before long, the largest music club in town had them playing Tuesday night gigs filling the club to capacity with locals and University of Virginia students week after week. As word spread, the band was playing three- four- five- night tours around the region. As the band's success began to exfoliate, the first album named Remember Two Things was released in August of 1993, shortly followed by recently released in February of 1994. With 1994 proving to be a big year for the Dave Matthews Band, Under the Table and Dreaming was released on September 27th. This major release is what really made the bands elegant acoustical sound known throughout the United States and Europe (26 March 1999).

By this point, many wonder what is next for the Dave Matthews Band. Their audience was growing, but they still didn't have a following that rivaled bands like the Grateful Dead and Phish. But nobody could have predicted what 1995 would bring, both good and bad. Dave Matthews Band (DMB) opened two shows for the Grateful Dead at Sam Boyd Stadium in Las Vegas. Some believe this show was priceless and "one in a million" for the Dave Matthews Band (Pepper). Many of the reasons this show was so important had to do with the attention Dave Matthews Band got from the Grateful Dead's audience. This proved to be an overwhelming significance when the Dead encountered the death of Jerry Garcia later on in the 1995 year. The Grateful Dead had an incredible amount of fans. "The band attracted a cult following in live performances by playing without set lists (lists of songs) in a free improvised format shaped in part by audience rapport" (Garcia). All the "Grateful Dead" fans, better known as "Dead Heads" loved the acoustic sound Garcia provided for the band, and with the newly created vibe of Dave Matthews Band, the transition was an easy one to make. Thus, many of the "Dead Heads" are now faithful followers of the DMB, and many now use Dave Matthews Band as a new musical connection to life.

But the death of Jerry Garcia and the flock of newly dedicated fans weren't the only reasons for popularity for the Dave Matthews Band. The sound, the feeling of the music that Dave Matthews Band creates, makes for their own following, like no other before. As David E. Thigpen, author, Time magazine puts it:

The DMB offers an alternative to alternative rock: music that is conspicuously eclectic but plainly rooted in the familiar bedrock of Americana, the blues and jazz. By introducing acoustic guitars and shifting tempos punctuated by violins, penny whistles and other flourishes of world music and jazz, the band has forged a cerebral yet commercially appealing sound, surpassing competitors like Phish. (Thigpen)

After the release of Under the Table and Dreaming came the album Crash, which involved various artists such as Bela Fleck & the Flecktones and Los Lobos. But their most recent and best studio recording effort by a landslide is Before These Crowded Streets. Instrumentally, the band is joined by interesting guests such as Bela Fleck that is known to "… decorate the record with his saw-toothed banjo…" (Gulla). Kronos Quartet and Alanis Morisette show up on several songs and sing background vocals on "Spoon". Before long, the Dave Matthews Band not only attracts their own audience, but they reveal that rather than being content with their considerable fan base, they reach out to new styles, new ideas, and best of all new fans (Gulla).

Though their music is powerful indeed, what's in the music is as so ever powerful. Lyrics are the heart of any music, whether they are sung, yelled, or mumbled. The Dave Matthews Band is definitely one to talk when it comes to lyrics. In hearing any of his lyrics from all the way back to his first album, right up to his current hit with Before These Crowded Streets. All of the Dave Matthews Band songs have what many would call "heart and soul" to them. Take for instance "I Let You Down":

…I let you down; How could I be such a fool like me; Tail between my legs; I'm a puppy for your love; I'm a puppy for your love; I have no lid upon my head; But if I did; You could look inside and see what's on my mind; oh it's you…

Line by line, Dave Matthews Band goers find themselves breathless is awe of the words that come from Dave's mouth. In "I Let You Down", Dave is singing about how he had done something that let supposedly somebody down by, and he is so upset he tries to show his sorrow and his want to reconcile his wrong doing. But the helpless of his music propels you into his world so you can feel his pain.

Many well known magazines also have good things to say about Dave Matthews Band's lyrical approach, "he (Dave Matthews) conjures optimism in a world be set by environmental depredation, political paralysis, self-doubt, and hopelessness" (Thigpen). Meanwhile Dave Matthew's describes his songs as "therapy, an effort to help his listeners cope with society, where racism is absolutely alive" (Sheffield).

There's something else about the Dave Matthews Band that propels so many to want to see every show that they play. Maybe it's because whenever the band is seen they wear anything but exactly what one of the newest and most popular alternative bands would wear; Khaki pants, flannel shirts, hemp necklaces, and an occasional baseball cap. This helps create the well known "laid back" style of the band onstage as well as off. But quite possibly it's the way they "seem more like a jazz combo than a rock band" (Thigpen). Robin Bresnark, from Melody Maker says:

Their musical style is very natural, full of blues and jazz from introduction of acoustic guitars and shifting tempos punctuated by violins, penny whistles, and other flourishes of would music and jazz. Onstage the five band members seem more like a jazz combo, playing tightly coordinated phrases then suddenly veering off into flights of improvision. (Bresnark)

In conclusion, the Dave Matthews Band is nothing short than incredible. By projecting a very laid back and functional attitude, with a very open musical style, the band will continue to top the billboard charts for years to come. Dave Matthews' musical style will live forever, and I am sure that Jerry Garcia is very happy knowing that his following is now sleeping in line for hard to get tickets to every show Dave Matthews Band plays. Talent flourishes in the band, and for anyone who has any of their CD's, you'll know that their live music is incredibly spontaneous. But one thing is for sure, this band will be releasing albums for years to come; and it's nice to hear music that is not filled with hate or violence, but filled with heart and soul lyrics, and a non-violent tone.

Works Cited

Bresnark, Robin. "The Dave Matthew Band gives us a guided tour of Washington DC." Melody Maker Aug 8, 1998.

Bresnark, Robin. "Unfinished Monk Business" Melody Maker Jun 27, 1998.

Garcia, Jerry. "Jerry Garcia." Encyclopedia Encarta. 1998 Ed.

Gulla, Bob. "Before These Crowded Streets." Audio Aug 1998.

Pepper, Tracey. "Dave Matthews Band" US Jun 1998

Sheffield, Rob. "Stunt/Before These Crowded Streets." Rolling Stone Dec 24, 1998-Jan 7, 1999.

The Dave's Matthews Band: the official Web Site. (1991-1997) http://dmband.com

Thigpen, David E. "Shelter in the storm" Time Aug 3, 1998

mr.smurf, Thursday, 20 January 2005 10:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, I see. Hey! I DO love the Dave Matthews Band! And I didn't even know it!

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 20 January 2005 12:46 (nineteen years ago) link

mmmm... Egg-cellent! BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Miss Chevious Grin, Thursday, 20 January 2005 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, what's this thread about?

**%@, Thursday, 20 January 2005 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link

This, I think

Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 20 January 2005 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link

i just read through this whole thread for the first time. i feel like i've witnessed the traces of something big, historic, ineffable--some long-distant, ancient culture that i can only dream about or read about in history books. this thread = the odyssey of our time.

fauxhemian (fauxhemian), Friday, 21 January 2005 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link

the odyssey of our time
RFI: Why Does Ulysses Get All Yessed Out In The Last Chapter?

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 21 January 2005 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Speaking of Yes, I just realized the other day that the guitar part to "Crash Into Me", previously thought by me to be the only good DMB bit, was totally ripped off from "And You and I - III. The Preacher The Teacher" by Yes.
So now there is absolutely nothing I like about DMB...

Anyone Who Can Pick Up A Frying Pan Pwns Death (AaronHz), Thursday, 24 February 2005 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Wheres all the googlers? Thread is 2 years old yet still no 2000th post.

Disappointed, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

After the shit conviction, the bloom was off the rose.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 01:05 (nineteen years ago) link

If only all the news sites reporting the 'shitstorm' surrounding the courtcase hadn't just linked everyone to this thread.

Disappointed, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 01:17 (nineteen years ago) link

the new single is actually interesting and pretty good

Cheek0 (Cheek0), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 01:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Holy shitballs, this thread is massive.

buck van smack (Buck Van Smack), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 02:03 (nineteen years ago) link

"As the band's success began to exfoliate..."

f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 02:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, please give the new single a listen. It's very not standard DMB, so maybe some would like it.

Allison (Allison), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 02:35 (nineteen years ago) link

this thread: 1926 posts
the human after all thread: 1270 posts

Which one will be the ultimate ILM champ?

a banana (alanbanana), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 03:52 (nineteen years ago) link

oops, it's 1937!

a banana (alanbanana), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 03:53 (nineteen years ago) link

wasnt the jay-z vs nas thread the defending champion by quite a long way ?

Disappointed, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Is there a limit to how long threads can get? Are we just playing with fire here and one day ILM will be completely kaput because this thread got too long?

xpost

Bimble... (Bimble...), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:08 (nineteen years ago) link

you bunch of fucking losers really spent 2 years saying how much you hate something? with all of the shit you could be doing, oh wait, you are all dead from the neck up. worthless pricks. dmb should crush you with there wallets.

marci carpenter, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 06:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Nice try, "marci" .. You won't make us react and get this thread going again by trolling us like that. We have standards.

Dave Matthews Sucks! Woooooooooo!

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 12:17 (nineteen years ago) link

This thread should be published as a novel.

Francisco Monar (fmonar), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I did not Like Dave or DMB for years, mostly because others liked them and were pushing me to do the same. My wife forced me to a concert (kicking and screaming) three years ago. Shortly after that I was requesting to borrow her DMB CD's. I can’t put my finger on what it is. But there is something there that keeps you coming back. Again from 95-2002 I would not listen did not want to, did not like it. Frankly now I am sorry I missed out on seven years of enjoying the music for me and missing the enjoyment with my wife. For some of you this thread seems to be simply a bash DMB forum. I would like to hear objective opinions and not the "Shock" replies covering 90% of this thread. What makes you not Like DMB? I love all types of music from Pop to Rock to Country and Classical. Yes I do prefer DMB over all the others but what category is DMB even in? One could argue Country or POP or even a Jam Band distinction.

I am fortunate to have numerous friends that share the love of music and DMB with me. We have all discussed this before and none can answer why we like it so much. I hope you listen to new music of any type with an open heart and let in what you like not what others say you should or should not like, I believe it is only then you can truly appreciate the music no matter what type or who is performing it.

Big Rob, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link

TS:
I would like to hear objective opinions and not the "Shock" replies covering 90% of this thread.
-vs-
We have all discussed this before and none can answer why we like it so much.

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link

What makes you not Like DMB?

Have you noticed what thread you're posting on? There's a 1900+ post thread here that will help answer your question.

I believe Jay Z vs Nas was a longer thread in terms of word count, but not in the # of posts.

Both the Human After All and Arular threads are getting up there.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 18:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the weird thing, Big Rob, is that your tone of voice is such that you could substitute the word 'Amway' for 'DMB' and produce much the same result.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 18:55 (nineteen years ago) link

This thread may reach 2000, but theres no way it will reach 2500 or 3000.
I just can't see there being enough interest in sustaining this thread for another 2 years bar the very odd revival or googler.
The other threads may run and run though.

Disappointed, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link

He likes all types of music guys!!!!


But does that include experimental horse music?

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Disappointed -- Dave Matthews band is a subject of perennial hate whereas the M.I.A. and Daft Punk discussions are surely not going to go on for years. What are you smoking?

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

But hardly anyone outside of USA/Canada knows who DMB are. Half of all ILXors are not from there.
But people in all countries are interested in Daft Punk or Jay-Z vs Nas.

Disappointed, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 19:14 (nineteen years ago) link

TS:
I would like to hear objective opinions and not the "Shock" replies covering 90% of this thread.
-vs-
We have all discussed this before and none can answer why we like it so much.

-- dave225 (right.knewi...), March 23rd, 2005.

TS: For some of you this thread seems to be simply a bash DMB forum.
vs.
Dave Matthews Band: Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

you bunch of fucking losers really spent 2 years saying how much you hate something?
You see, my dear marci, all Dave Matthews fans are alike, but each Dave Matthews hater hates in his own fashion, to paraphrase Leo T.

Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

26 trackbacks!!

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

This thread absorbs all, sees all, knows all. It is The Aleph and Omphalos.

Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Sing me, O muse, of that fleet-fingered guitar hero whose fans travelled far and wide to see him, even after he dropped a sack of shite on the fabled windy city of Chicago.

Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link

But hardly anyone outside of USA/Canada knows who DMB are. Half of all ILXors are not from there.
But people in all countries are interested in Daft Punk or Jay-Z vs Nas.

-- Disappointed (disappointe...) (webmail), March 23rd, 2005 2:14 PM. (link)

Wrong!!!

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Make that "O musos," if you like.

Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

dmb should crush you with there wallets.

Aye yai yai....again with that "he's made lots of money, so therefore he must be the most excellent thing to ever pick up an instrument!"

Call me a "hater"! Please. Do! Because I Do hate! I embrace my hatred. HATRED SHOULD NOT BE FEARED! HATRED IS A VALID EMOTION! And, for the record, it's not DMB I hate (their music -- as labouriously stated above -- simply BORES me -- which is worse than sucking, btw), IT'S HIS SHITHEAD FANS AND THEIR LAME JUSTIFICATIONS!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link

He's a pervy-sounding peniswrinkle, as my friend Christy aptly put it.

What we want? Sex with T.V. stars! What you want? Ian Riese-Moraine! (Eastern Ma, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, Baby! Crush me with your wallet!

Bimble... (Bimble...), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link

dmb should crush you with there wallets
I belief proper English would be " dmb should crush you with those there wallets."

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Close, but I think it would be "them there wallets"

Bimble... (Bimble...), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I used to love this thread, then I was ashamed of it, then I ignored it, and now I love it again. Is there some pop-psychology 'phases of DMB threads' book that I should know about?

J (Jay), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

wow... this is too funny..

Let me be the first to say - Who the fuck is Dave Matthews?!

Jose Ole, Thursday, 24 March 2005 00:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm surprised the first comment wasn't 'there' = 'their' - rather, alternative sentence structures were considered... just odd i thought..

Hope you all enjoy missing this summer's DMB tour - the fans won't miss ya there either.

english major, Thursday, 24 March 2005 04:18 (nineteen years ago) link


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