What Is Rockism ?

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Why don't we ask Freddie deBoer

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 February 2023 00:03 (one year ago) link

runner up: crypto-poptimists & crypto-rockists

CerebralCaustic, Thursday, 9 February 2023 00:06 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Kelefa Sanneh, Robert Christgau, and Douglas Wolk are the sages quoted in this. 2024 rockism style. the battle never ends.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c7Boc2CPMg

scott seward, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 16:50 (two weeks ago) link

Intergenerational!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 17:30 (two weeks ago) link

i will never watch one of that person's videos, not sure if that makes me pro or anti rockism

budo jeru, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 17:48 (two weeks ago) link

idk this person + they just said, "it's almost like the more critical your opinion is, the more valid it is" and i like that they're calling this out, especially in re:"flops." he isn't making this point outright, but my conclusion to be drawn from his points is that "rockism" is kind of anti-appreciation, unless a very strict set of arbitrary and ill-defined rules are in place. i like that being called out.

otherwise, good video. brings up relevant new examples to support the old anti-rockism tropes.

interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 17:53 (two weeks ago) link

it sucks people can’t write stuff down instead of requiring people to stare at their face while they talk at them

brimstead, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 17:59 (two weeks ago) link

that guy is okay. i actually enjoy his genre videos. he does good quick histories of things and he brings up examples that you wouldn't expect him to bring up. he makes good connections. he's more of a metal/punk person.

scott seward, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 18:12 (two weeks ago) link

He was less cringe inducing than most Talking to the camera guys

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 18:18 (two weeks ago) link

it sucks people can’t write stuff down instead of requiring people to stare at their face while they talk at them

― brimstead, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 17:59 (forty-two minutes ago) link

taking an online course right now and the prof loves making videos and barely types anything up, there are times where i have to scroll through a 17-minute video to discover a class policy that would take me 10 seconds at most to find on a legit syllabus

intheblanks, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 18:45 (two weeks ago) link

unrelated to rockism i suppose but i also wish people wrote things down instead of making videos

intheblanks, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 18:46 (two weeks ago) link

We’re entering the post-literate society

Are you addicted to struggling with your horse? (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 18:48 (two weeks ago) link

Writism

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 18:49 (two weeks ago) link

Writing is the rockism of human comm

Are you addicted to struggling with your horse? (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 18:49 (two weeks ago) link

One guy in a room with a typewriter

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 18:51 (two weeks ago) link

So where's the thread for complaining abt video (audio to tbh) as preferred mode of communication? Ours is undoubtedly a civilisation in decline

Images of text too... What is the fucking deal? I get meme templates, at least I know where they originated, but wtf is up with images of small chunks of horribly formatted text?

corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 19:50 (two weeks ago) link

hot medium/cool medium iirc

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 19:53 (two weeks ago) link

i just heard about civilization in decline on a vid by plato, why do new school kids need to have one name all the time

well below the otm mendoza line (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 22 May 2024 01:27 (two weeks ago) link

we do have this fwiw

Music Criticism in Video Form

budo jeru, Wednesday, 22 May 2024 02:27 (two weeks ago) link

ah yeah forgot about that one.

scott seward, Wednesday, 22 May 2024 02:27 (two weeks ago) link

hey scott, thx again for posting this video. i don't love our friend overall, but there's a sentiment he's getting at here that really stuck with me...

re:being extra critical or having a set of arbitrary and ill-defined rules that things have to adhere to in order for the rockist to give it a fair listen... that's so real ime. some people don't even know much about technical aspects of music, but will still have these staunch rules of engagement before a band/artist even gets taken seriously.

(honestly, how do you not have the ability to distinguish between major/minor tonality and yet still want me to take your opinion on "songwriting" seriously? not saying everyone has to be a scholar, but at least don't be ignorant. strawman here maybe, but c'mon)

it seems like some of those folks are listening to music for the sole purpose of taking it down critically. why even bother, do they even enjoy music to begin with? it's sad/annoying/scary when it's not even traditional "rock" fans who do it and start applying those rockist attitudes to non-white, non-establishment music.

that video really illuminated this with a lot of impact.

interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Monday, 3 June 2024 17:13 (two days ago) link


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