Why do white people criticize one another for being white?

yeah it's almost like white people have no pride

i say more power to them

one might say we need a new stormfront of self-worth

i think white people just need to "master" race as it were

white people need a final solution to this question.

too far

what's it like to be white?

maybe that question needs a new thread

*thoughtfully strokes neckbeard*

― the most brazen explosion of clitoral lust in folk-metal history (cankles), Monday, March 30, 2009 6:27 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark

watch out for them pop tart crumbs

btw u are very white

hush, cracker

ritz, cracker

my coke-rap name is gram cracka

bernard snowy's not a bad one either.

in response to Max's post (before all the one-liners): Are indie bands the "whitest of the white"? There are plenty of genres that are whiter, or at least as white, based on racial makeup of audiences and musicians: country, metal, avant-garde classical, noise, prog, goth. Is the "white guilt" more prominent in indie because it's somewhat the dominant genre for educated white people, "white guilt" being found less in working class white people? I'm a white person that listens to white music, and I don't feel guilty about it or feel the need to criticize the whiteness of the music or scenes surrounding the music I like.

I was discussing this awhile back with a friend whose former band made Chunklet's list of "whitest bands." I think there are multiple types of music that get coded as "white." There's the mopey "we are losers" introspective indie whiteness, a similar, perhaps undeserving "angst" that also marks emo as "white," which is different from the analytical "nerdiness" of prog, noise and avant-garde that is also coded as white. One could connect both types of whiteness as lacking in the working-class masculinity (the badassness mentioned in one of the earlier posts on this thread). However, if one's music is more marginal, I think a white person that's into it naturally feels less guilty about it being white, because most white people aren't into it either.

metal and goth are ASSUREDLY not whiter than indie rock when it comes to "racial makeup of audiences and musicians"

That was mighty white of you, whiney.

"You Make Me Feel (Mighty White)"

"I'm a white person that listens to white music, and I don't feel guilty about it or feel the need to criticize the whiteness of the music or scenes surrounding the music I like."

rock n roll is black music, fwiw.

oh boy

xp Whiney: I think it depends on what type of metal and what bands, etc.

A Paler Shade of White---Sasha Frere-Jones Podcast and New Yorker article Criticizing Indie Rock for Failing to Incorporate African-American Influences

xpost

I mean, I think pretty much any metal outside of (ironically enough) black metal is more racially diverse than indie rock. But we're splitting hairs here.

hmmm i wonder if "white" might mean different things in different contexts..........................

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xp: Whiney on rock music - And I think that could be part of the "guilt" factor - that it's something white people have appropriated.

I've never really felt any need to use the "word" white as a qualifier for music, because for me the word "unfunky" has pretty much the same meaning, without getting into dodgy racial essentialism. It's much easier to say "white musicians can be funky" or "black musicians can be unfunky" than "white musicians can be black" or "black musicians can be white". Of course, if you're talking about the demographics of particular music subculture rather than the content of the music, then it makes more sense to use words like "black" or "white".

The bigger truth bomb though, sarahel: upwardly mobile 20-/30-something liberal, college-educated, self-aware whites who listen to indie rock and have "opinions" on shit like Stuff White People Like Dot Com and Vampire Weekend are more likely to post snarky bullshit on message boards that you and me and u_s steel read.

what's a soundtrack for a post racial world?
i'm thinking doobie bros.

elephant orchestras

racist!

I heard a Vampire Weekend song once. It was nice, not my thing. I think my 24 year old cousin might like them.

wait guys i thought MIA was the soundtrack for a post racial world did i miss something

a post post post

I mean, I think pretty much any metal outside of (ironically enough) black metal is more racially diverse than indie rock. But we're splitting hairs here.

I was about to make a joke about DNA-ancestry tests on every scene: what if the Latino part of the metal fanbase is largely Iberian? Then all your 100% South- or East-Asian indie rockers may sweep up to win the Nobel Prize for Music Not Being "White."

wait guys i thought MIA was the soundtrack for a post racial world did i miss something

you let her brown skin fool you ;_;

^^ that is a pointless joke, BTW -- I think I admitted years ago that I am mostly (and hopefully non-dickishly) just amused by this whole realm of conversation, hence starting the thread

lol, xpost?

haha yes, obv

one thing that i always found "funny" was moving between ILM-world and college-world and seeing the different meanings white gets inflected with--"unfunky/safe" vs. "arrogant/oblivious"

still don't hear "dave eggers is too white for me" there's still a backlash against trendiness but white guilt never gets much play outside of music.

^^ white guilt gets a lot of play on college campuses.

Your life is white
And I dont think I like
You hanging around

white guilt vs. gay dad

dad guilt

it's almost like people feel guilty...guilty of being white

one thing that i always found "funny" was moving between ILM-world and college-world and seeing the different meanings white gets inflected with--"unfunky/safe" vs. "arrogant/oblivious"

Is that still going on? Given how much college costs these days, perhaps so.

(I'm old, I have no idea...)

There is no such thing as White Music. Or, that is, there wouldn't have been had it not been for this album:
http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/dc/fc/2b94124128a073a0d6a56010.L.jpg

Geir, you're so white