classic rock poll was pure glorious ecstasy, best poll ever
― brimstead, Thursday, 5 February 2015 00:52 (nine years ago) link
can we not go through, again, this weird ritual of pretending there's some consensus or tradition about "artist" polls but NOT about any other kind of music listening poll? i mean there are plenty of sensible ways to disagree about how to move forward on this but insisting that without the magic word "artist" all other concerns are moot is just...weird. like it might be pertinent in certain concrete ways, sure, let's talk about them, but this "i didn't say simon says" thing is not convincing by itself. i, and i think most others here, are trying to figure out the best way to do this that's funnest for all, which is a tricky thing we probably won't 100% agree on because we get different things out of polls, and recognize different aspects of them as the thorny/tricky areas, etc. that's cool, that's the fun of talking through this like it's a constitutional convention. good discourse. "but it isn't an artist poll!" is...not.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 5 February 2015 00:59 (nine years ago) link
Just fwiw, decade/half-decade/eoy/genre/etc polls routinely get north of 75 voters (and often 100) so pretending they're just the same as basic artist ballot polls is bit disingenuous. Whether or not you participate in them, many other people do.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 5 February 2015 01:42 (nine years ago) link
i'm fucking pissed i got bumped, but i will work it out with Leee. i want to do mine before Opening Day. i let this thread know where i was and when i was going to be ready.
― Bee OK, Thursday, 5 February 2015 02:23 (nine years ago) link
Would never say they're *the same* - just would rather the discussion revolve around the real differences (like your point abt participation) and how those might relate to different ILX customs, than just 'this thread is only for artist polls and this isn't an artist poll, end of story,' which has been made several times (not by you), and debunked (e.g. by DJP pointing out the non-artist polls that have been run through this thread, etc)
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 5 February 2015 02:44 (nine years ago) link
Jordan was otm
― Steph def def (Spottie), Thursday, 5 February 2015 03:15 (nine years ago) link
2 cents: Don't see why ballot polls shouldn't be run Friday-Friday with the weekend for tabulation and a Mon-Thurs rollout (forced leisurely pace would be excellent, as I too find the quick rollouts sorta sadmaking), and run like 1 per week. Seeing as we have a list of what's coming up for the next approx 100 years, it's not like you wouldn't be able to listen to the ones you want to participate in well in advance if you're the kind of person who needs to really dig deep or the artist has a large catalogue, and I imagine even the most active folks participate in maybe 1/2 the artist polls. Bigger polls w/noms threads could maybe run over the course of a month or so (2 weeks noms, 1 week balloting, mon-thurs rollout) & be coordinated w/the artist polls so no 2 polls share the same due date and rollout schedule... I realize that's probably really idealistic and a lot of scheduling work (poll coordinator gonna have to make a gantt chart) but in theory something a lot more accelerated than what we've got now should be doable, no?
― hardcore dilettante, Friday, 6 February 2015 03:00 (nine years ago) link
I barged ahead and finally have this running:
Everybody I know can be POLLED here: The Spacemen 3, Spectrum, Spiritualized, and descendants poll thread (ILM Artist Poll Thread #57)
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 7 February 2015 20:20 (nine years ago) link
So I'm arbitrarily deciding on the following parameters:
15-minute minimum track length2-week nomination period
Any strenuous objections?
― Hollinger Escape Plan (Leee), Saturday, 7 February 2015 20:43 (nine years ago) link
I feel strongly that I want to vote for live version of Yoo Doo Right and it's 14:sthg
― groundless round (La Lechera), Saturday, 7 February 2015 22:46 (nine years ago) link
ditto "Achilles Last Stand" ditto ditto 10:23
― it takes 14 to make a baby (WilliamC), Saturday, 7 February 2015 23:06 (nine years ago) link
LL otm.
And since the Who's "A Quick One, While He's Away" was, for all intents and purposes, the first Rock Epic, I'd propose 9:10 as the minimum.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 7 February 2015 23:09 (nine years ago) link
Wouldn't something like "Desolation Row" or "Sad-Eyed Lady of the Lowlands" predate that?
― clemenza, Saturday, 7 February 2015 23:12 (nine years ago) link
D'oh, you're right. Both predated the Who song.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 7 February 2015 23:16 (nine years ago) link
A lot of songs I'd want toinclude are in the 10-15 minute range but I'll work with whatever the rules turn out to be. >15 means I'll mostly vote for jazz I guess.
― ⊤ℝolliℵg M∃th H∑a∂ (seandalai), Saturday, 7 February 2015 23:18 (nine years ago) link
In terms of an actual rock group, probably the Rolling Stones' "Goin' Home" is the first; Freak Out! came out a few months later, but I'm not sure you'd want to count the long songs from that.
― clemenza, Saturday, 7 February 2015 23:56 (nine years ago) link
Arthur Lee:
"The song 'Revelation' was a long jam we did so the musicians could express themselves. The Rolling Stones saw us play at the Brave New World, and they recorded a long song on their next album. After our album came out, I got the blame for copying them!"
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 8 February 2015 00:06 (nine years ago) link
It sounds like everyone would be happier with 10 minutes than 15 -- that's the absolute minimum that I'm willing to go, as I originally wanted to 20.
― Hollinger Escape Plan (Leee), Sunday, 8 February 2015 20:46 (nine years ago) link
as somebody who likes a whole lot of really long songs, I'm cool w/that
― sleeve, Sunday, 8 February 2015 21:51 (nine years ago) link
Many thanks, in addition to voting I'm looking forward to discovering many more super long songs to like.
― groundless round (La Lechera), Sunday, 8 February 2015 22:03 (nine years ago) link
I suspect half of these will be proper epics and the other half will be endless vamps. I'm totally down with that.
― example (crüt), Sunday, 8 February 2015 22:46 (nine years ago) link
I wasn't gonna participate in the epics poll but just realized it will give me another excuse to advocate for 50 Foot Wave's Power + Light.
― how's life, Monday, 9 February 2015 01:58 (nine years ago) link
How's it gonna go, noms and votes or just votes?
― Mark G, Monday, 9 February 2015 04:00 (nine years ago) link
Definitely noms. What's a fair number: 20 per poster? (I really want to work 20 into this poll.)
― Hollinger Escape Plan (Leee), Monday, 9 February 2015 04:43 (nine years ago) link
La musica si muove appena: The ILM ITALO Poll (Results Thread)
― daavid, Monday, 9 February 2015 14:25 (nine years ago) link
67. Emo/Screamo/Mallcore/(post)Hardcore - Mordy68. Creedence Clearwater Revival - crüt69. Hard Rock/Hair Metal - how’s life70. Extreme Metal - Viceroy71. Stephin Merritt - Gukbe72. Metallica - Pleasant Plains
What would be the thinking of moving the Metallica poll up a few spots to give some breathing room between it and those generic metal polls?
― pplains, Monday, 9 February 2015 15:08 (nine years ago) link
15 minutes seems too long if you're going to have anything besides prog and jazz. Not being able to vote for Marquee Moon is just wrong.
― kornrulez6969, Monday, 9 February 2015 15:50 (nine years ago) link
maybe instead of voting for specific tracks we can just spend three weeks nominating and voting for what set of conditions make an "epic"
― gr8080, Monday, 9 February 2015 15:51 (nine years ago) link
The metal polls gives everyone a chance to have a break.
― The Ghost of (strychnine), Monday, 9 February 2015 15:57 (nine years ago) link
Good idea. I say 8:00 is long enough to count as an epic. Let's take a month to discuss.
― kornrulez6969, Monday, 9 February 2015 16:18 (nine years ago) link
If the bottom line is 10 minutes, I guess I'll just have to vote for "Papa Was a Rollin' Stone" multiple times.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 9 February 2015 16:21 (nine years ago) link
Lots of rock epics are around the 7 min mark though.
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 9 February 2015 16:27 (nine years ago) link
which is what I assume jf was getting at
maggot brain isnt even 10 mins
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 9 February 2015 16:28 (nine years ago) link
it'd be criminal to exclude all the 23-second epics
― example (crüt), Monday, 9 February 2015 16:28 (nine years ago) link
I've got plenty of backup Phish jams in the 12 min+ range.
― how's life, Monday, 9 February 2015 16:31 (nine years ago) link
none of these examples are more epic than wreck of the edmund fitzgerald (6:32), but 10:00 seems pretty reasonable
― mookieproof, Monday, 9 February 2015 16:33 (nine years ago) link
crut otm His fave grindcore tracks are over a minute long and in grindcore terms thats an epic
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 9 February 2015 17:16 (nine years ago) link
Bardo Pond's cover is!
― Hollinger Escape Plan (Leee), Monday, 9 February 2015 17:51 (nine years ago) link
Or 21 minutes but who's counting.
wtf u idiots
A1 Maggot BrainWritten-By – E. Hazel*, G. Clinton*10:10
― sleeve, Monday, 9 February 2015 17:55 (nine years ago) link
personally I wish Leee was sticking with a 15-minute minimum
― sleeve, Monday, 9 February 2015 17:56 (nine years ago) link
i think leee should decide whatever the fuck he wants to do even if it means only bardo pond and autechre tracks are available to vote for
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 9 February 2015 18:26 (nine years ago) link
I have to say ... I sorta hate these polls where the majority of the discussion centers around what is actually being polled
― Οὖτις, Monday, 9 February 2015 18:30 (nine years ago) link
OK poll's cancelled.
― Hollinger Escape Plan (Leee), Monday, 9 February 2015 18:41 (nine years ago) link
epic post
― gr8080, Monday, 9 February 2015 18:52 (nine years ago) link
epic 10-minute long post
― Hollinger Escape Plan (Leee), Monday, 9 February 2015 18:54 (nine years ago) link
lol
― Οὖτις, Monday, 9 February 2015 18:56 (nine years ago) link
please, do whatever you want! i was just offering my solicited 2 cents as a voter and epic enthusiast
― groundless round (La Lechera), Monday, 9 February 2015 18:58 (nine years ago) link
I agree that 10 minutes should be the absolute minimum length for the epic poll, otherwise you could just nominate a whole bunch of normal, not-particularly-epic techno/jazz/prog/etc tunes. Though I'm fine with a 15 minute minimum too.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 11:21 (nine years ago) link