Largehearted Boy is keeping track of the year-end lists in this post:
http://www.largeheartedboy.com/blog/archive/2007/11/2007_online_bes.html
― three handclaps, Saturday, 17 November 2007 17:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Also, Idolator just announced the "2007 Idolator Pop Critics Poll."
http://idolator.com/tunes/announcements/lets-do-it-again-announcing-the-2007-idolator-pop-critics-poll-323885.php
Can't wait to see the results.
― three handclaps, Saturday, 17 November 2007 17:45 (sixteen years ago) link
Idolator was pretty interesting last year, more so than P&J at least.
― stephen, Saturday, 17 November 2007 18:36 (sixteen years ago) link
is anyone able to access last year's ballots? i get a message that says "Authorization required: You don't have permission to do this" when I click on the link (and earlier it just led to a blank page)
― aaron d.g., Saturday, 17 November 2007 21:51 (sixteen years ago) link
I just got my Idolator ballot -- a reminder that I need to get off my ass and listen to some stuff in the next few weeks.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 17 November 2007 21:54 (sixteen years ago) link
Unfortunately, when Gawker redesigned its comments, it erased the ballots from last year. We've figured out a workaround this year, so it shouldn't happen again.
― Matos W.K., Saturday, 17 November 2007 22:12 (sixteen years ago) link
Are those '06 ballots coming back, Michaelangelo? That will totally suck, if they don't. I'm not sure I kept a record anywhere else of what I voted for!
― xhuxk, Saturday, 17 November 2007 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link
archive.org google.com
― Tape Store, Saturday, 17 November 2007 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link
Matos, Jess, Maura: Good job avoiding dread acronym "ICP".
― The Reverend, Saturday, 17 November 2007 22:45 (sixteen years ago) link
Wait, so you can still find old ballots by googling...what, exactly?
― xhuxk, Sunday, 18 November 2007 00:04 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm pretty sure they're completely gone. I tried using Archive.org's Wayback Machine -- no luck, and they're definitely not up on the site.
― three handclaps, Sunday, 18 November 2007 00:07 (sixteen years ago) link
I found mine by entering: "first name, last name" jackin' pop
― Tape Store, Sunday, 18 November 2007 00:53 (sixteen years ago) link
Then look at the cached text
Matos, any idea when ballots are going out? I haven't gotten mine yet... (though that may not be an oversight, and my disastrous ballot from last year may have disqualified me...)
― Mordechai Shinefield, Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:34 (sixteen years ago) link
OMG my ballot last year was so awesome, I was such a good critic last year
― Dimension 5ive, Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:37 (sixteen years ago) link
A few Idolator readers who write about music may have noticed an invitation in their inbox today; still others will be receiving one soon. . . .Chances are if you write about music regularly we've already got an invite on its way to you, but if you want to be considered, email p✧✧✧@idola✧✧✧.c✧✧ and include your name, your email, links to your blog and/or some pieces you've written during 2007. . . .
Chances are if you write about music regularly we've already got an invite on its way to you, but if you want to be considered, email p✧✧✧@idola✧✧✧.c✧✧ and include your name, your email, links to your blog and/or some pieces you've written during 2007. . . .
― three handclaps, Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:38 (sixteen years ago) link
I predict Calle 13 and Dude N' Nem will deservedly take their places in the number one spots for albums and singles, respectively
....on my ballot. : (
― The Reverend, Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:56 (sixteen years ago) link
We sent ballots out yesterday. If you didn't get it, write me.
― Matos W.K., Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:58 (sixteen years ago) link
or rather, write p✧✧✧@idola✧✧✧.c✧✧ -- of course, since 85% of the responses I've tried sending from that address are fucking BOUNCING, I'll probably reply from somewhere else. but do it anyway.
that's poll at idolator dot com
― Matos W.K., Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:59 (sixteen years ago) link
I really hate the internet today
fwiw, I got mine just fine.
― The Reverend, Sunday, 18 November 2007 03:04 (sixteen years ago) link
Matos, I haven't gotten mine yet. I sent you an email yesterday.
― Mordechai Shinefield, Sunday, 18 November 2007 22:32 (sixteen years ago) link
I know you did. I can't send out invites until the week. Be patient.
― Matos W.K., Sunday, 18 November 2007 23:14 (sixteen years ago) link
kk. Just asking :)
― Mordechai Shinefield, Monday, 19 November 2007 02:22 (sixteen years ago) link
Ethan and R|T|C want me to push for a ban on voting for white rockers. Sasha will allow votes for Los Angeles rockers No Age though. None of this wimpy multicultural voting for African, Latin, rap and white guy rock though, like I did last year.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 19 November 2007 02:58 (sixteen years ago) link
god if it's gonna be like that I probably won't even bother, wtf
― Dimension 5ive, Monday, 19 November 2007 03:57 (sixteen years ago) link
I keed, I keed. But seriously, those dudes think that my advocacy of increasing the presence of non-rock contributors to alt-weeklies and music polls means I cannot ever admit myself to liking any white rockers, or uh, seeing holes in SFJ theories.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 19 November 2007 04:05 (sixteen years ago) link
: ( I was planning on voting for 9 white rockers and one token rap act. (also white) I guess I'll have to reconsider.
― The Reverend, Monday, 19 November 2007 11:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, I'm gonna vote for a bunch of white dudes this year as well.
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 19 November 2007 11:35 (sixteen years ago) link
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9gnMiBAj0FHLmYB7lCjzbkF/SIG=13nuhnitr/EXP=1195565248/**http%3A//products.priceclash.co.uk/images/nodrop/220/B000002VDL/music/free-to-beyou-and-me-import.jpg
― JN$OT, Monday, 19 November 2007 13:29 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh, so I'm not the only one who found SFJ's piece totally wrong and even a little disingenuous? THE BIG STATEMENT ABOUT CONTEMPORARY MUSIC AND RACE was neither convincing or big.
― Mordechai Shinefield, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:44 (sixteen years ago) link
A Paler Shade of White---Sasha Frere-Jones Podcast and New Yorker article Criticizing Indie Rock for Failing to Incorporate African-American Influences
Wade through at your own discretion.
― The Reverend, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Uncut's list came out November 1 last year. The 2007 list must be out by now?
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 23 November 2007 19:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Uncut's Jan issue comes out today. Apparently with two books, one of which covers the albums and singles lists. The list should pop up online soon.
Paste Magazine 1. The National - Boxer 2. Arcade Fire - Neon Bible 3. Bruce Springsteen - Magic 4. The White Stripes - Icky Thump 5. Feist - The Reminder 6. M.I.A. - Kala 7. Wilco - Sky Blue Sky 8. Modest Mouse - We Were Dead Before the Ship Even Sank 9. Band of Horses - Cease to Begin 10. Iron & Wine - The Shepherd's Dog 11. Radiohead - In Rainbows 12. Avett Brothers - Emotionalism 13. Amy Winehouse - Back to Black 14. Loney, Dear - Loney, Noir 15. Kanye West - Graduation 16. Ryan Adams - Easy Tiger 17. Josh Ritter - The Historical Conquests of Josh Ritter 18. Miranda Lambert - Crazy Ex-Girlfriend 19. Ted Leo & the Pharmacists - Living with the Living 20. Blonde Redhead - 23 21. Jens Lekman - Night Falls Over Kortedala 22. LCD Soundsystem - Sound of Silver 23. Black Lips - Good Bad Not Evil 24. Patty Griffin - Children Running Through 25. Over The Rhine - The Trumpet Child 26. The Shins - Wincing the Night Away 27. Derek Webb - The Ringing Bell 28. Mary Gauthier - Between Daylight and Dark 29. Spoon - Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga 30. Björk - Volta 31. Of Montreal - Hissing Fauna, Are You The Destroyer? 32. Andrew Bird - Armchair Apocrypha 33. PJ Harvey - White Chalk 34. Bright Eyes - Cassadaga 35. Peter Bjorn & John - Writer's Block 36. Joe Henry - Civilians 37. Eleni Mandell - The Miracle Of Five 38. Olof Arnalds - Vid Og Vid 39. The Perishers - Victorious 40. Damien Dempsey - To Hell Or Barbados 41. Brandi Carlile - The Story 42. Lifesavas - Gutterfly 43. The Everybodyfields - Nothing Is Okay 44. Norah Jones - Not Too Late 45. Sharon Jones & the Dap Kings - 100 Days, 100 Nights 46. Justice - † 47. Linda Thompson - Versatile Heart 48. The Weakerthans - Reunion Tour 49. Carolina Chocolate Drops - Dona Got A Ramblin’ Mind 50. Battles - Mirrored 51. The Frames - The Cost 52. Thurston Moore - Trees Outside the Academy 53. Fionn Regan - The End Of History 54. Broken Social Scene Presents: Kevin Drew - Spirit If... 55. Sunset Rubdown - Random Spirit Lover 56. Kate Nash - Made of Bricks 57. The Clientele - God Save The Clientele 58. Romantica - America 59. Imperial Teen - The Hair The TV The Baby & The Band 60. The Broken West - I Can't Go On I'll Go On 61. Prince - Planet Earth 62. Joseph Arthur - Let's Just Be 63. Explosions In The Sky - All Of A Sudden I Miss Everyone 64. Animal Collective - Strawberry Jam 65. Caribou - Andorra 66. Apples In Stereo - New Magnetic Wonder 67. St. Vincent - Marry Me 68. Office - A Night At The Ritz 69. Bat For Lashes - Fur & Gold 70. Ween - La Cucaracha 71. Josh Rouse - Country Mouse City House 72. Bettye Lavette - Scene Of The Crime 73. Warm In The Wake - American Prehistoric 74. Beirut - The Flying Club Cup 75. Great Lake Swimmers - Ongiara 76. Okkervil River - The Stage Names 77. Jeremy Fisher - Goodbye Blue Monday 78. The New Pornographers - Challengers 79. Deerhoof - Friend Opportunity 80. Akron/Family - Love Is Simple 81. Art Brut - It's A Bit Complicated 82. Dan Deacon - Spiderman of the Rings 83. Deerhunter - Cryptograms 84. Liars - Liars 85. Menomena - Friend and Foe 86. Ruthie Foster - The Phenomenal Ruthie Foster 87. White Rabbits – Fort Nightly 88. Do Make Say Think - You, You're A History In Rust 89. Anat Cohen - Noir 90. Devendra Banhart - Smokey Rolls Down Thunder Canyon 91. The Fratellis - Costello Music 92. Jesse Sykes – Like, Love, Lust & the Open Halls of the Soul 93. Lori McKenna - Unglamorous 94. Suzanne Vega - Beauty & Crime 95. The Good, The Bad & The Queen - The Good, The Bad & The Queen 96. Arctic Monkeys - Favourite Worst Nightmare 97. Marissa Nadler - Song III: Bird on the Water 98. Dinosaur Jr. - Beyond 99. The Fiery Furnaces - Widow City 100. Stars – In Our Bedroom After The War
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 29 November 2007 18:14 (sixteen years ago) link
Harp Magazine's list (nice to see Okkervil top a list other than my own):
50. Tunng, Good Arrows 49. Sharon Jones & the Dap-Kings, 100 Days, 100 Nights 48. Oakley Hall, I'll Follow You 47. Yeasayer, All Hour Cymbals 46. Manu Chao, La Radiolina 45. Bettye LaVette, The Scene Of The Crime 44. Beirut, The Flying Cub Cup 43. Explosions In The Sky, All Of A Sudden I Miss Everyone 42. Mavis Staples, We'll Never Turn Back 41. Dr. Dog, We All Belong 40. Ian Hunter, Shrunken Heads 39. Patty Griffin, Children Running Through 38. Eleni Mandell, Miracle Of Five 37. Rufus Wainwright, Release The Stars 36. Bright Eyes, Cassadega 35. Animal Collective, Strawberry Jam 34. Ryan Adams, Easy Tiger 33. St. Vincent, Marry Me 32. Broken Social Scene Presents Kevin Drew, Spirit If... 31. Robert Wyatt, Comicopera 30.Grinderman 29. Kings Of Leon, Because Of The Times 28. Grace Potter & The Nocturnals, This Is Somewhere 27. Of Montreal, Hissing Fauna, Are You The Destroyer? 26. Steve Earle, Washington Square Serenade 25. Jesse Sykes And The Sweet Hereafter, Like, Love, Lust, And The Open Halls Of The Soul 24. M.I.A., Kala 23. Bill Callahan, Woke On A Whale Heart 22. Ted Leo & The Pharmacists, Living With The Living 21. The National, Boxer 20. Rilo Kiley, Under The Blacklight 19. Bruce Springsteen, Magic 18. Georgie James, Places 17. The Good, The Bad, And The Queen 16. Wilco, Sky Blue Sky 15. The New Pornographers, Challengers 14. The Shins, Wincing The Night Away 13. Avett Brothers, Emotionalism 12. Devendra Banhart, Smokey Rolls Down Thunder Canyon 11. White Stripes, Icky Thump 10. Jason Isbell, Sirens Of The Ditch 9. Neil Young, Chrome Dreams II 8. Arcade Fire, Neon Bible 7. Radiohead, In Rainbows 6. Spoon, Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga 5. Feist, The Reminder 4. Future Clouds & Radar 3. Iron & Wine, The Shepherd's Dog 2. Band Of Horses, Cease To Begin 1. Okkervil River, The Stage Names
― Simon H., Thursday, 29 November 2007 18:40 (sixteen years ago) link
If Rihanna isn't at the top of any given list, they lose. They lose the whole Interwebs. LOSE.
― Mordechai Shinefield, Thursday, 29 November 2007 18:48 (sixteen years ago) link
Sharon Jones at only #45 in Paste? Josh Rouse only at #71? Recount!
― Joseph McCombs, Thursday, 29 November 2007 19:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Mordechai, aren't you aware that R&B is only good when made by relics and retroists?
― The Reverend, Thursday, 29 November 2007 22:24 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh, so I'm not the only one who found SFJ's pieceMordechai Shinefield's post totally wrong and even a little disingenuous? THE BIG STATEMENT ABOUT CONTEMPORARY MUSIC AND RACERIHANNA was neither convincing or big.
― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 29 November 2007 22:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Mags that pay attention to metal will be giving big props to Wolves in the Throneroom Two Hunters (Southern Lord).
― Nate Carson, Friday, 30 November 2007 01:42 (sixteen years ago) link
<sticks out tongue at Alex in Baltimore> Phphhhtt.
― Mordechai Shinefield, Friday, 30 November 2007 03:04 (sixteen years ago) link
You poptimist you...
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 14:28 (sixteen years ago) link
What is going on with these early lists, people? Hissing Fauna showing up in the mid 20s? And New Magnetic Wonder only making it to 66? This is an outrage!
― kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 15:01 (sixteen years ago) link
I know, right.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 15:22 (sixteen years ago) link
Quick, someone tell SFJ the news!
― JN$OT, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 15:37 (sixteen years ago) link
Since its inception, Metacritic has provided a cross-section of reviews from a carefully-screened group of the most respected critics
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 16:09 (sixteen years ago) link
Decibel: Where nobody gives a flying fuck about In Rainbows Satan bless Decibel and their metal-lovin' ways.
40 - Grave In The Sky - Cutlery Hits China: English For The Hearing Impaired 39 - Trap Them - Sleepwell Deconstructer 38 - Darkest Hour - Deliver Us 37 - Year of No Light - Nord 36 - Pissed Jeans - Hope For Men 35 - Alcest - Souvenirs d'un Autre Monde 34 - Torche - In Return 33 - Between the Buried and Me - Colors 32 - Evoken - A Caress Of The Void 31 - Destroyer Destroyer - Littered With Arrows 30 - Down - III: Over The Under 29 - Engineer - The Dregs 28 - Rwake - Voice Of Omens 27 - Architect - All Is Not Lost 26 - Obliteration - Perpetual Decay 25 - Dax Riggs - We Sing Of Only Blood Or Love 24 - Big Business - Here Come The Waterworks 23 - Rosetta - Wake/Lift 22 - Magrudergrind - Rehashed 21 - Machine Head - The Blackening 20 - Caina - Mourner 19 - Electric Wizard - Witchcult Today 18 - The End - Elementary 17 - Melt-Banana - Bambi's Dilemma 16 - Graf Orlock - Destination Time Tomorrow 15 - Bergraven - Dodsvisioner 14 - Moonsorrow - Viides Luku/Havitetty 13 - Pelican - City Of Echoes 12 - The Red Chord - Prey For Eyes 11 - Deathspell Omega - Fas-ite Maledicti In Ignem Aeternum 10 - A Life Once Lost - Iron Gag 09 - High on Fire - Death Is This Communion 08 - Portal - Outre 07 - Witchcraft - The Alchemist 06 - Neurosis - Given To The Rising 05 - Baroness - The Red Album 04 - Jesu - Conqueror 03 - The Dillinger Escape Plan - Ire Works 02 - Watain - Sworn To The Dark 01 - Pig Destroyer - Phantom Limb
Uncut I love LCD Soundsystem to death. They rocked hard when I saw them, when they blew M.I.A. off the stage. But the new one is just a bit too inconsistent. It looks like some of their staff agree with me that the new Arctic Monkeys is far better than their first. Robert Plant and Alison Krauss and Wilco are predictable entries (is Tweedy old enough to be called a geezer yet?), and White Chalk and Comicopera are surprisingly challenging albums that high on an Uncut list. Voice of the Seven Woods is an interesting guitar album I'd never heard of before. They must not let Simon Reynolds vote anymore, otherwise at least Burial and Pinch would be on there, representing dubstep.
1. LCD Soundsystem - Sound of Silver 2. Arctic Monkeys - Favourite Worst Nightmare 3. PJ Harvey - White Chalk 4. Robert Plant and Alison Krauss - Raising Sand 5. Wilco - Sky Blue Sky 6. Robert Wyatt - Comicopera 7. The Hold Steady - Boys and Girls in America 8. The White Stripes - Icky Thump 9. Radiohead - In Rainbows 10. Klaxons - Myths of the Near Future 11. Björk - Volta 12. Battles - Mirrored 13. Neil Young - Chrome Dreams II 14. M.I.A. - Kala 15. Panda Bear - Person Pitch 16. Grinderman - Grinderman 17. Super Furry Animals - Hey Venus! 18. Voice of the Seven Woods - Voice of the Seven Woods 19. Feist - The Reminder 20. Bruce Springsteen - Magic 21. Arcade Fire - Neon Bible 22. Babyshambles - Shotters Nation 23. Rilo Kiley - Under the Brightlight 24. Lessavy Fav - Let's Stay Friends 25. Kings of Leon - Because of the Times 26. Manu Chao - La Radiolina 27. Steve Earle - Washington Square Serenade 28. Rufus Wainwright - Release the Stars 29. The Besnard Lakes - The Besnard Lakes are the Dark Horse 30. The Good, The Bad & The Queen - The Good, The Bad & The Queen 31. Devendra Banhart - Smokey Rolls Down Thunder Canyon 32. Queens of the Stone Age - Era Vulgaris 33. Tinariwen - Aman Iman: Water Is Life 34. The National - Boxer 35. Bill Callahan - Woke on a Whaleheart 36. Bright Eyes - Cassadaga 37. Beirut - The Flying Club Cup 38. The Cribs - Men's Needs, Women's Needs, Whatever 39. Interpol - Our Love to Admire 40. Iron and Wine - The Shepherd's Dog 41. Justice - † 42. Richard Thompson - Sweet Warrior 43. Manic Street Preachers - Send Away the Tigers 44. Maps - We Can Create 45. Richard Hawley - Lady's Bridge 46. Von Sudenfed - Tromatic Reflexxions 47. Nick Lowe - At My Age 48. Thurston Moore - Trees Outside the Academy 49. Ry Cooder - My Name Is Buddy 50. Dinosaur Jr. - Beyond
Q Magazine It's nice to see Soulsavers and Field Music here, as they aren't on many lists yet. I haven't heard of Cherry Ghost, will have to check them out. They have Klaxons, but no Maximo Park, The Rakes, Good Shoes or The Maccabees. If Q doesn't champion them, who will? Guess it'll have to be NME or lil' ol me.
1. Arcade Fire - Neon Bible 2. The White Stripes - Icky Thump 3. Arctic Monkeys - Favourite Worst Nightmare 4. Radiohead - In Rainbows 5. The Good, The Bad & The Queen - The Good, The Bad & The Queen 6. Bruce Springsteen - Magic 7. Kings of Leon - Because of the Times 8. The Shins - Wincing the Night Away 9. The Hold Steady - Boys and Girls in America 10. Rufus Wainwright - Release the Stars 11. Modest Mouse - We Were Dead Before the Ship Even Sank 12. Foo Fighters - Echoes, Silence, Patience & Grace 13. Kaiser Chiefs - Yours Truly, Angry Mob 14. Cherry Ghost - Thirst for Romance 15. Interpol - Our Love to Admire 16. Manic Street Preachers - Send Away the Tigers 17. Rilo Kiley - Under the Blacklight 18. LCD Soundsystem - Sound of Silver 19. Björk - Volta 20. The Rumble Strips - Girls and Weather 21. Cold War Kids - Robbers & Cowards 22. The Coral - Roots & Echoes 23. Bright Eyes - Cassadaga 24. PJ Harvey - White Chalk 25. Spoon - Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga 26. Beirut - The Flying Club Cup 27. Ryan Adams - Easy Tiger 28. The Decemberists - The Crane Wife 29. Roìsìn Murphy - Overpowered 30. The National - Boxer 31. Soulsavers - It's Not How Far You Fall, It's the Way You Land 32. Klaxons - Myths of the Near Future 33. Neil Young - Chrome Dreams II 34. M.I.A. - Kala 35. Hard-Fi - Once upon a Time in the West 36. Common - Finding Forever 37. Robyn - Robyn 38. Fall Out Boy - Infinity on High 39. Joni Mitchell - Shine 40. Field Music - Tones of Town 41. Keren Ann - Keren Ann 42. The Enemy - We'll Live and Die in These Towns 43. Patrick Watson - Close to Paradise 44. Gogol Bordello - Super Taranta! 45. Lucinda Williams - West 46. Sigur Ròs - Hvarf-Heim 47. Kate Nash - Made of Bricks 48. Justice - † 49. Jamie T - Panic Prevention 50. Stereophonics - Pull the Pin
― Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 17:22 (sixteen years ago) link
man i really wish i could participate in the idolator pop critics poll but i'm not a critic (as i don't have an outlet for any of my writing), just an ilxor/enthusiastic music listener and fan with opinions that need to be heard :(
― stephen, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 17:45 (sixteen years ago) link
"Hail Satan!"
xp
― JN$OT, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 17:47 (sixteen years ago) link
careful w/those stones mr. resident of glass house
what does this even mean?
-- Matos W.K., Wednesday, 2 January 2008 22:07 (Yesterday) Link
Is this a reference to Mordechai's suggestion on some other thread that any list that does not include "Umbrella" has no credibility, and/or that anyone who posts on the teenpop only thread, as Mordechai does, is somehow a glass house resident (although Mordechai posts on other threads). Who knows? I'll let M. Coleman explain it himself.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 3 January 2008 06:04 (sixteen years ago) link
Because hip-hop is so intensely self-aware, and self-reflexive, it came to be known as big-money music, a genre obsessed with its own success. If we are now entering an age of diminished commercial expectations, that will inevitably change how hip-hop sounds too.
K. Sanneh followed up his critics poll list with a big feature on his fave non-major label rap cds of '07 by Turf Talk, Prodigy, Project Pat and others, and their place in a world with smaller sales for hiphop, and more rappers on independent labels.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/30/arts/music/30sann.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 3 January 2008 15:54 (sixteen years ago) link
I hope it wasn't a reference to me, since I was just quoting a different critic. I assume he meant that Jody shouldn't throw stones?
― Mordechai Shinefield, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:05 (sixteen years ago) link
how is the phrase "ape-pooh" not the most controversial thing about that quote/post?
― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:10 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't think people noticed the pic with album covers was linked to more with comments (and on my page it has a few easter eggs). Subgenre distinctions are of course contentious -- I mainly use them as a chance to talk about albums that you don't find in the overall top 13.
Avant Rock & Out Pop 1. Yeasayer - All Hour Cymbals (We Are Free) 2. Black Moth Super Rainbow - Dandelion Gum (Graveface) 3. Parts & Labor - Mapmaker (Jagjaguwar/Brah) 4. A Place To Bury Strangers (Killer Pimp) 5. Strategy - Future Rock (Kranky) 6. Gudrun Gut - I Put A Record On (Monika) 7. Robert Wyatt - Comicopera (Domino) 8. HUMANWINE - Fighting Naked (Nervous Relative) 9. Holy Fuck - LP (Young Turks) 10. Frog Eyes - Tears of the Valedictorian (Absolutely Kosher) 11. Om - Pilgrimage (Southern Lord) 12. Mammatus - The Coast Explodes (Holy Mountain) 13. Dragons of Zynth - Coronation of Thieves (GTC) Experimental & Ambient 1. Moon Wiring Club - An Audience of Art Deco Eyes (Geophonic Audio Systems) 2. Kemialliset Ystävät (Fonal) 3. The Focus Group - We Are All Pan's People (Ghost Box) 4. Eluvium - Copia (Temporary Residence) 5. Echospace - The Coldest Season (Modern Love) 6. Morgan Packard - Airships Fill the Sky/Unsimulatable (Anticipate) 7. Porn Sword Tobacco - New Exclusive Olympic Heights (City Centre Offices) 8. Avarus - Rasvaaja (Secret Eye) 9. Pumice - Pebbles (Soft Abuse) 10. Melt-Banana - Bambi's Dilemma (A-Zap) 11. Mouthus - Saw a Halo (Loa) 12. Charalambides - Likeness (Kranky) 13. Pitch Black - Rude Mechanicals (Remote/Rhythmethod)
Heavy Rock 1. Jesu - Conquerer (Hydra Head) 2. Witchcraft - The Alchemist (Rise Above) 3. Queens of the Stone Age - Era Vulgaris (Interscope) 4. White Denim - Let's Talk About It EP (White Denim) 5. Dungen - Tio Bitar (Kemado) 6. Alcest - Souvenirs d'un Autre Monde (Profound Lore) 7. Porcupine Tree - Fear Of A Blank Planet (Atlantic) 8. Electric Wizard - Witchcult Today (CND) 9. 65daysofstatic - The Destruction of Small Ideas (Monotreme) 10. Battles - Mirrored (Warp) 11. Rosetta - Wake/Lift (Translation Lost) 12. Nadja - Radiance of Shadows (Alien8) 13. Oceansize - Frames (SPV)
Metal 1. Big Business - Here Come The Waterworks (Hydra Head) 2. Dillinger Escape Plan - Ire Works (Wea/Relapse) 3. Neurosis - Given to the Rising (Neurot) 4. High On Fire - Death Is This Communion (Relapse) 5. Dethklok - The Dethalbum (Williams Street) 6. Earthless - Rhythms From a Cosmic Sky (Tee Pee) 7. Middian - Age Eternal (Metal Blade) 8. Baroness - Red Album (3D) 9. Wolves in the Throne Room - Two Hunters (Southern Lord) 10. Wolfpack Unleashed - Anthems of Resistance (Napalm) 11. Pharoah Overlord - The Battle of the Axehammer (Riot Season) 12. Pig Destroyer - Phantom Limb (Relapse) 13. 3 Inches of Blood - Fire Up The Blades (Roadrunner)
Electro-Dreamwimp Pop 1. Sally Shapiro - Disco Romance (Paperbag) 2. The Tough Alliance - A New Chance (Sincerely Yours) 3. Maps - We Can Create (Mute) 4. Caribou - Andorra (Merge) 5. Electrelane - No Shouts No Calls (Too Pure) 6. Pram - The Moving Frontier (Domino) 7. St. Vincent - Marry Me (Beggars Banquet) 8. Cassius - 15 Again (Astralwerks) 9. White Williams - Smoke (Tigerbeat6) 10. The Frames - The Cost (Anti) 11. Of Montreal - Hissing Fauna, Are You the Destroyer (Polyvinyl) 12. Shout Out Louds - Our Ill Wills (Merge) 13. Future Clouds & Radar (Star Apple Kingdom)
Electronica, Techno & Dance 1. Burial - Untrue (Hyperdub) 2. Apparat - Walls (Bpitch Control) 3. Matthew Dear - Asa Breed (Ghostly International) 4. Dan Deacon - Spiderman of the Rings (Carpark) 5. Studio - West Coast (Information) 6. Laub - Deinetwegen (Agf Producktion) 7. Modeselektor - Happy Birthday! (Bpitch Control) 8. LCD Soundsystem - Sound Of Silver (DFA) 9. Pinch - Underwater Dancehall (Tectonic) 10. Muscles - Guns Babes Lemonade (Modular) 11. !!! - Myth Takes (Warp) 12. Chloe - The Waiting Room (Kill the DJ) 13. Fennesz & Sakamoto - Cendre (Touch)
Global 1. Tinariwen - Aman Iman (World Village) - Mali 2. Islaja - Ulual Yyy (Fonal) - Finland 3. Kemialliset Ystävät (Fonal) - Finland 4. Balkan Beat Box - Nu Med (JDub) - U.S./Isreal 5. Tokyo Jihen - Variety (EMI) - Japan 6. Café Tacuba - Sino (Universal Latino) - Mexico 7. Korpiklaani - Tervaskanto (Napalm) - Finland 8. Avarus - Rasvaaja (Secret Eye) - Finland 9. Extra Golden - Hera Ma Nono (Thrill Jockey) U.S./Kenya 10. Vieux Farka Toure (World Village) - Mali 11. Fanfare Ciocarlia - Queens and Kings (Asphalt & Tango) - Romania 12. Manu Chao - La Radiolina (Because) - Spain 13. Calle 13 - Residente O Visitante (Sony) - Puerto Rico
New Americana, Country & Folk 1. Tunng - Good Arrows (Thrill Jockey) 2. James Blackshaw - The Cloud of Unknowing (Tompkins Square) 3. PJ Harvey - White Chalk (Island) 4. Wooden Shjips (Holy Mountain) 5. The Fiery Furnaces - Widow City (Thrill Jockey) 6. Eleni Mandell - Miracle of Five (Zedtone) 7. Radical Face - Ghost (Morr) 8. Richard Youngs - Autumn Response (Jagjaguwar) 9. Efterklang - Parade (Leaf) 10. Caïna - Mourner (Profound Lore) 11. Nina Nastasia & Jim White - You Follow Me (Fat Cat) 12. Animal Collective - Strawberry Jam (Domino) 13. Beirut - The Flying Club Cup (Ba Da Bing!)
Hip Hop & Rap 1. Dälek - Abandoned Language (Ipecac) 2. El-P - I'll Sleep When You're Dead (Definitive Jux) 3. Aesop Rock - None Shall Pass (Definitive Jux) 4. Shape of Broad Minds - Craft of the Lost Art (Lex) 5. Pharoahe Monch - Desire (SRC/Universal/Motown) 6. Oh No - Dr. No's Oxperiment (Stones Throw) 7. Busdriver - RoadKillOvercoat (Epitaph) 8. Brother Ali - The Undisputed Truth (Rhymesayers) 9. Black Milk - Popular Demand (Fat Beats) 10. Talib Kweli - Eardrum (WB) 11. Little Brother - Get Back (ABB) 12. Cloud Cult - The Meaning Of 8 (Rebel Group) 13. Saul Williams - The Inevitable Rise and Liberation of Niggy Tardust (Musicane)
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 3 January 2008 21:22 (sixteen years ago) link
Some of those aren't so much contentious as laughable, but you've heard and analysed such a fuckton of music over the past year that I'm certainly not going to take you up on any of it! ;-) Anyway, most of my favourites are on here somewhere!
― Just got offed, Thursday, 3 January 2008 21:26 (sixteen years ago) link
COLOUD CULT IS HIP HOP???
― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 3 January 2008 21:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Re: the Xgau thing
His model is the only one I've ever seen that affords the 3 star/"honorable mention" releases a distinction. People tend to talk more about the records they hated than ones they actually liked and I feel it's crucial to remember their existence if they're so much better than bad/overrated records being made infamous. Find a comfy place to sit down, Nada Surf!
Travis Morrison is one of the great nutjobs. One of the only artists working (and this goes double for indie) whose missteps you still root for, because they actually feel courageous. The last era with that kind of admirably blind tinkering counted Bowie, Prince, Neil Young and R.E.M. as practicioners I believe.
― kiss out the jams, Thursday, 3 January 2008 21:46 (sixteen years ago) link
-- M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, January 3, 2008 4:39 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
Yeah, is that a list of indie-rap albums that were merely released last year?
― kiss out the jams, Thursday, 3 January 2008 21:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Caina under New Americana, Country & Folk ?
― Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 3 January 2008 21:49 (sixteen years ago) link
That hiphop list makes me ;_;
― The Reverend, Thursday, 3 January 2008 21:49 (sixteen years ago) link
"real" hip-hop
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 3 January 2008 21:50 (sixteen years ago) link
The trend for normally sensible critics to give accolades to crappy mainstream rap albums continues, with Jay-Z, UGK, Ghostface Killah and Kanye West topping lists. You'd think from them that hip-hop has stopped evoloving and is curled up waiting to die. And please stop encouraging Lil' Wayne. Hitting one clever lyrical turn for every ten raps does not equal brilliance. Soon the market will be flooded by amateur tapes of rappers throwing every rhyme that falls off the top of their heads with no self editing whatsoever, because they know those white critics will eat anything up. Kanye West isn't totally horrible, as he always manages a couple decent singles. But if you actually listen to what else is out there, there's really no excuse. Artists like Dälek, El-P, Aesop Rock, Shape of Broad Minds, Oh No, Busdriver and Cloud Cult are actually pushing the art of hip-hop to new horizons, chipping away at the untapped vast potential for sounds. Oh No dug into Lebanese, Italian and Greek psych rock, and it's only the tip of the iceberg. Pharoahe Monch, Brother Ali, Black Milk and Little Brother showed it's still possible to make accessible hip-hop that's still powerful and relevant. Saul Williams, well, he's like that crazy uncle who freestyles at the family picnics. He's a little embarrassing, but still he speaks the truth.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 3 January 2008 21:55 (sixteen years ago) link
Soon the market will be flooded by amateur tapes of rappers throwing every rhyme that falls off the top of their heads with no self editing whatsoever
ok this part is RONG in a different way from the rest of it is
― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 3 January 2008 21:58 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean...uh...SOON?
Hip Hop taken to new levels.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Lil' Wayne really needs to stop trying so hard to appease the white critics, maaan.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:14 (sixteen years ago) link
no wfb no credibility
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:16 (sixteen years ago) link
cloud cult are a bunch of hippies from northfield.
you should check out some other cool hip hop acts like the flaming lips.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:17 (sixteen years ago) link
i wish wayne hadn't self-edited so much this year and instead decided to flood the market with every rhyme that fell off the top of his head.
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:18 (sixteen years ago) link
i saw the video for "way of life" on mtv jams last night and -- although i can't claim to be any kind of big expert w/r/t to cash money or hot boys or NO stuff in general -- that wayne's getting a lot of critical props for being a WORSE rapper than he used to be.
he was great on that song, phrasing and timing was real crisp, contrasted very much w/the "i'm so hood" video i'd seen earlier that day where he's just a fucking spazz for no reason and pretty much everything abt that verse sucks dick.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:22 (sixteen years ago) link
OMG, deej is way classic on the thread I linked.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:28 (sixteen years ago) link
-- M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, January 3, 2008 5:22 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
I don't particularly like "Way Of Life" but I get what you're saying, there's decent punchlines and great vocal performances all over stuff from his pre-Carter solo albums, I still hear DJs play "Shine" and "The Block Is Hot" alongside his new shit and it fits together more than most people would seem to think. His new stuff is better in many ways but definitely more uneven. I kinda like his "I'm So Hood" verse for a few of the lines, but it's still at most the 4th or 5th best verse on the remix.
― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link
<i>i mean...uh...SOON?</i>
Yep, I was being generous.
I didn't feel like including Common in the hip hop list so I threw in Cloud Cult. It was funnier at 3 A.M. You folks are cracking me up though, you're like the jackals I was watching on Animal Planet -- one whiff of weakness and the pack all jump in for the kill, ha ha. I guess I should put Public Enemy in there.
I didn't have a category for extreme-experimental-folkmetal, so yeah, Caïna was shoehorned a bit.
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:38 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah i mean that was just what i happened to see, but even that which isn't like a legendary song by him by any means seemed to be so much more focused and well written...like i dig the sort of kool keith zany punchlines he gets now to a degree but i wish it didn't have to come at the expense of clarity and precision.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:38 (sixteen years ago) link
Fastnbulbous, I've really enjoyed your year-end lists. Keep on compilin'!
― polyphonic, Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Best Wayne performance is still on the The Mind of Mannie Fresh album from a couple of years ago. His off-the-wall freestyling is put into context and boosted by Mannie's...well, whatever it is that Mannie does on that thing.
Dang I have to find that CD, it got deleted off my iPod and I didn't back it up.
― Dimension 5ive, Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:54 (sixteen years ago) link
I used to love Kool Keith. Anyone heard the Ultramagnetic MCs album this year? I was afraid to hear it, as it would make me miss Dr. Octagon/Dooom.
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link
It was terrible. He's still capable of sneaking out a good song now and again (like "Drugs" on "Spankmaster"), but his '00s stuff has been really disappointing.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 3 January 2008 23:07 (sixteen years ago) link
DeRogatis: 1. Grinderman, 'Grinderman' 2. Glenn Mercer, 'Wheels in Motion' 3. Tim Fite, 'Over the Counter Culture' 4. Modest Mouse, 'We Were Dead Before the Ship Even Sank' 5. Kanye West, 'Graduation' 6. LCD Soundsystem, 'Sound of Silver' 7. Spoon, 'Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga' 8. The Apples in Stereo, 'New Magnetic Wonder' 9. Radiohead, 'In Rainbows' 10. Air, 'Pocket Symphony' http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/derogatis/709668,SHO-Sunday-dero23.article
― Jazzbo, Friday, 4 January 2008 16:31 (sixteen years ago) link
Tony I'm surprised to not see the new Nacao Zumbi on your list. I haven't heard it myself yet but would have thought anything they did would be an automatic for you. Have you not heard it or is it not any good?
― billy g, Saturday, 5 January 2008 18:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Saul Williams, well, he's like that crazy uncle who freestyles at the family picnics.
i do not have this uncle.
― tipsy mothra, Saturday, 5 January 2008 18:05 (sixteen years ago) link
I didn't get a chance to hear the latest Nação Zumbí in time for the lists, sadly.
Albums I heard too late to make the lists 1. Momo - A Estetica Do Rebisco (Umvd) - Brazil 2. Nação Zumbí - Fome De Tudo (Deck Disk Brazil) 3. Boris & Michio Kurihara - Rainbow (Drag City) - Japan 4. Vladislav Delay - Whistleblower (Humme) - Finland 5. M83 - Digital Shades Vol. 1 (Mute) 6. Caspian - The Four Trees (Dopamine) 7. Grails - Burning Off Impurities (Temporary Residence) 8. Yakuza - Transmutations (Prosthetic/Red) 9. Giuseppe Ielasi - August (12k) - Italy 10. O'Death - Head Home (Ernest Jenning) 11. Kashiwa Daisuke - Program Music I (Noble) - Japan 12. Opitope - Hau (Spekk) - Japan 13. Signal Hill (Tidemark)
― Fastnbulbous, Sunday, 6 January 2008 20:53 (sixteen years ago) link
Maura and Jess' top 40 song list at idolator.com
http://idolator.com/tunes/idolator.s-2007-top-40-list-of-awesomeness/idolators-year+end-top-40-because-you-can-never-have-enough-download-recommendations-in-your-life-329612.php
― curmudgeon, Monday, 7 January 2008 15:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Can I just point out, the Brainwashed readers' poll that came out on January 1 is a really, really great list - the top 25 (copied and pasted below) is the best I've seen for the year. I really enjoy about 20 out of these 25 albums, and that's a fucking great ratio. Enjoy:
1. Stars of the Lid, "And Their Refinement of the Decline" (Kranky) 2. Jesu, "Conqueror" (Hydra Head) 3. Angels of Light, "We Are Him" (Young God) 4. Throbbing Gristle, "Part Two: The Endless Not" (Mute) 5. A Place To Bury Strangers, "A Place To Bury Strangers" (Killer Pimp) 6. Burial, "Untrue" (Hyperdub) 7. Grinderman, "Grinderman" (Mute) 8. Om, "Pilgrimage" (Southern Lord) 9. Einstürzende Neubauten, "Alles Wieder Offen" (Potomak) 10. Panda Bear, "Person Pitch" (Paw Tracks) 11. M.I.A., "Kala" (XL) 12. Six Organs of Admittance, "Shelter from the Ash" (Drag City) 13. Battles, "Mirrored" (Warp) 14. Earth, "Hibernaculum" (Southern Lord) 15. Boris with Michio Kurihara, "Rainbow" (Drag City) 16. Caribou, "Andorra" (Merge) 17. Deerhunter, "Cryptograms" (Kranky) 18. Liars, "Liars" (Mute) 19. LCD Soundsystem, "Sound Of Silver" (DFA) 20. Animal Collective, "Strawberry Jam" (Paw Tracks) 21. Boris with Merzbow, "Rock Dream" (Southern Lord) 22. Faust and Nurse With Wound, "Disconnected" (Art-Errorist) 23. Threshold HouseBoys Choir, "Form Grows Rampant" (Threshold House) 24. Robert Wyatt, "Comicopera" (Domino) 25. Shellac, "Excellent Italian Greyhound" (Touch & Go)
The full top 100, plus a bunch of awards for EPs, reissues, box sets, music videos, labels, and some other fun stuff, including the 10 worst albums of the year: http://brainwashed.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6665&Itemid=1
― stephen, Wednesday, 9 January 2008 21:35 (sixteen years ago) link
I guess I should get around to listening to this Stars of the Lid band, now that I see 'em big-upped everywhere. But I didn't like Battles, Grinderman, Burial or Animal Collective, and they seem to show up in the same places.
― I eat cannibals, Thursday, 10 January 2008 00:46 (sixteen years ago) link
They don't sound like any of those bands. (But you might dislike them too.)
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 January 2008 00:48 (sixteen years ago) link
Prefix 50 Wu-Tang Clan: 8 Diagrams 49 Digitalism: Idealism 48 Soulsavers (with Mark Lanegan): It’s Not How Far You Fall, It’s How You Land 47 Jesca Hoop: Kismet 46 The Brunettes: Structure & Cosmetics 45 Bill Callahan: Woke on a Whaleheart 44 Boris featuring Michio Kurihara: Rainbow 43 Electrelane: No Shouts, No Calls 42 Little Brother: Getback 41 Nina Nastasia and Jim White: You Follow Me 40 Dan Deacon: Spiderman of the Rings 39 Beirut: The Flying Club Cup 38 Blonde Redhead: 23 37 Blitzen Trapper: Wild Mountain Nation 36 Baroness: The Red Album 35 Amiina: Kurr 34 Cass McCombs: Dropping the Writ 33 Klaxons: Myths of the Near Future 32 Iron & Wine: The Shepherd's Dog 31 Deerhoof: Friendship Opportunity 30 Burial: Untrue 29 Dragons of Zynth: Coronation Thieves 28 Justice: Cross 27 Liars: Liars 26 Fennesz: Cendre 25 Robert Wyatt: Comicopera 24 Sean Price: Jesus Price Superstar 23 Of Montreal: Hissing Fauna, Are You the Destroyer? 22 Stars of the Lid: And Their Refinement of the Decline 21 El-P: I’ll Sleep When You’re Dead 20 Low: Drums and Guns 19 The Field: From Here We Go Sublime 18 PJ Harvey: White Chalk 17 Battles: Mirrored 16 Caribou: Andorra 15 Amy Winehouse: Back to Black 14 Okkervil River: The Stage Names 13 Spoon: Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga 12 Deerhunter: Cryptograms 11 Jens Lekman: Night Falls Over Kortedala 10 Animal Collective: Strawberry Jam 09 Andrew Bird: Armchari Apocrypha 08 Pharoahe Monch: Desire 07 Arcade Fire: Neon Bible 06 Kanye West: Graduation 05 The National: Boxer 04 Panda Bear: Person Pitch 03 LCD Soundsystem: Sound Of Silver 02 Radiohead: In Rainbows 01 M.I.A.: Kala
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 10 January 2008 02:40 (sixteen years ago) link
yea that brainwashed list is awesome
― Mark Clemente, Thursday, 10 January 2008 15:45 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost - why was I under the impression that brainwashed was no more? evidently my memory's reports of its death were greatly exaggerated.
Great list, Brainwashed; thanks Fastnbulbous.
― dblcheeksneek, Thursday, 10 January 2008 16:38 (sixteen years ago) link
NPR is running more indie-rock top 10s on their site if you're interested.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:37 (sixteen years ago) link
i hope the nina nastasia/jim white record gets some year-end love. that might be my fav record this year.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:42 (sixteen years ago) link
BMG Music Club sez:
https://webspace.utexas.edu/sdb55/criticspicks.png
― stephen, Sunday, 10 February 2008 02:45 (sixteen years ago) link
You must be new here. WE THE BEST, MAN!
― The Reverend, Sunday, 10 February 2008 05:21 (sixteen years ago) link
*jumps off the fucking bridge*
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 10 February 2008 06:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Reminds me, I gotta use some more of my BMG Music Service $5.99 coupons (last was M.I.A.) I've left most of my lists in their original form, (orig *published* form, that is, like with P&J's glitches).Maybe some Songs Of The Year to be blogged later. But for now, here's my Nash Scene ballot, with links to my reviews added (re those on PTW, of course you can still stream and, in some cases still download songs from ballot entries)Entries not so Nashvegas this year(although somewhut). Also a lot of comments added, starring Charlie Daniels, Billie Holiday, Johnny Bush, Jon Langford & Sally Timms, Paul Newman & Piper Laurie, Pam Tillis, the Staples Singers, Sugarland, Michelle Shocked, Ashley Monroe, Hope Partlow, and a cast of thousands: http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com
― dow, Sunday, 10 February 2008 06:21 (sixteen years ago) link
loooooooooool hoos
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 10 February 2008 18:47 (sixteen years ago) link
musicnerd | Posted on Nov 1st, 2007
in a year where so few good albums came out, (seriously I find it hard to even think of 15 true contenders for classics) Of Montreal at 27 is just uncalled for.
― The Reverend, Sunday, 23 May 2010 19:47 (fourteen years ago) link
oops wrong thread