its weird - one thing he doesn't get into at all is how the Rock Music Industry(tm) basically ruined the blues as source material with its endless parade of cheesy white guitarists trying to bee authentic (see: Blueshammer by way of Clapton). White guys appropriating blues became such a bad, egregious aesthetic and political error that it basically sped an entire generation (punk generation, cf. Talking Heads' "no blues rule", Greg Ginn, etc.) in the opposite direction.
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― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:26 (sixteen years ago) link
but then he'd have to deal with the commercial if generally unappealing, deej!
― da croupier, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:26 (sixteen years ago) link
the real horrifying idea would be IF arcade fire decided to incorporate hip hop influences
― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:27 (sixteen years ago) link
One shouldn't be forced to think about tacky things like popular rock bands when discussing rock history
― da croupier, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:27 (sixteen years ago) link
history is written by the losers
― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:30 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.publispain.com/posters/revenge_of_the_nerds.jpg
― da croupier, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:30 (sixteen years ago) link
I'd have been more comfortable with a reactionary but worthy-of-discussion-in-a-mainstream-liberal-publication essay on the twentysomething music fans who want to talk to you about Of Montreal's album over Ciara's -- who'll privilege the former over the latter for reasons they can't even articulate.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:31 (sixteen years ago) link
I believe the New Yorker would consider that killing the goose, better to sing "Everybody's beautiful" and pretend 311 doesn't STILL sell more than the Flaming Lips.
― da croupier, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:33 (sixteen years ago) link
goddamn it I'm drunk and I'm going to listen to the Style Council.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:35 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, October 15, 2007 11:31 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
would you seriously want to read that article??
― s1ocki, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:45 (sixteen years ago) link
hell yeah! The Great Big World Outside ILM doesn't understand the problem. (And before anyone jumps in to say, "Well, Of Montreal's album is better than Ciara's," understand that the college-age twentysomething to whom SFJ is indirectly addressing his essay won't even consider buying the Ciara album; at most they'll buy a song.)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:50 (sixteen years ago) link
the problem that some college students prefer indie rock to r&b?
― s1ocki, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:55 (sixteen years ago) link
YES
― J0hn D., Monday, 15 October 2007 23:59 (sixteen years ago) link
THE UNACCEPTABLE FACE OF YOUTH
― J0hn D., Tuesday, 16 October 2007 00:00 (sixteen years ago) link
but the vast majority of college students are like jocks and normal people and shit and don't give a crap about indie rock just like the majority of high school students and, um, people in general
― M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 00:00 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.mymusic.com/DI5/graphics/elvis_costello.jpg
"Hi, I'm Elvis Costello, here to talk to you a problem facing the young intellectuals of today. Would you be surprised to know that I am a fan of Lil Wayne? That my favorite album of 2006 was B'Day? Rap and R&B are rich genres that continue to provide us with classic music that reward just as much as indie rock, maybe even more. Increasingly, white music fans do not seem willing to give modern black artists the respect they deserve. Join me, and the good people at Rhapsody, in our fight against this ignorance."
― da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 00:01 (sixteen years ago) link
plus nerdy dudes need to get laid...the trim status at a lot of these indie shows is off the hook these days
― M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 00:02 (sixteen years ago) link
all we need is EC in a brownshirt acting out "Oliver's Army" in a college-radio setting.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 00:03 (sixteen years ago) link
The tastes of nerdy white college guys are of vast importance to nerdy white music writers.
― bnw, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 00:12 (sixteen years ago) link
"Hi, I'm Elvis Costello,etc."
Are those real quotes or jokes quotes?
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 00:14 (sixteen years ago) link
see for yourself
www.blacktiewhitenoise.com/costello
― da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 00:16 (sixteen years ago) link
ibowiebyrnecostellodarnielletweedy-wnbtpressconference.jpg
― da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 00:21 (sixteen years ago) link
woops, fucked up the link
ihttp://blacktiewhitenoise.com/bowiebyrnecostellodarnielletweedy-btwnpressconference.jpg
― da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 00:22 (sixteen years ago) link
fuck, just type it in.
This is either really funny and over my head or you're getting the url wrong.
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 00:29 (sixteen years ago) link
...I fudged, splitting the difference between singing, chanting, and rapping, each time with diminishing returns. (I can hardly stand to listen to these tracks now.)
i couldn't hardly stand to listen to those tracks then!
lol, yeah, ui was a "funk" band. sure.
― hstencil, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 00:31 (sixteen years ago) link
-- kingkongvsgodzilla, Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:29 AM (
^^^^^
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 01:12 (sixteen years ago) link
A Paler Shade of White---Sasha Frere-Jones Podcast and New Yorker article Criticizing Indie Rock for Failing to Incorporate African-American Influences SFJ discussion moved over here
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 03:23 (sixteen years ago) link
college rock in the 80s was plenty white too
-- da croupier, Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:19 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Link
and the entire history of the British charts in the 1980's.
-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:20 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Link
yeah coz hip-hop and house really found it hard breaking here, in comparison with the US.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 10:38 (sixteen years ago) link
vvvvv
-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, October 15, 2007 9:12 PM (Yesterday)
― am0n, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 14:38 (sixteen years ago) link
“You can’t land a plane in Rome saying, ‘Whassup?’ to the control tower. You can’t be a doctor telling your nurse, ‘Dat tumor be nasty.’ ” http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/16/opinion/16herbert.html?th&emc=th
― kamerad, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 15:43 (sixteen years ago) link
So I went out and picked up a copy of B'Day based on Elvis Costello's recommendation.
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Wednesday, 17 October 2007 01:18 (sixteen years ago) link
omg @ "dat tumor be nasty"
jesus christ
― Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 17 October 2007 18:39 (sixteen years ago) link
You know, if someone went through 10 years of medical school and had the proper training to remove my tumor, I could really give a fuck how they said it.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 17 October 2007 18:56 (sixteen years ago) link
Doctor?
http://www.jahozafat.com/0095461785/WAVS/Movies/Idiocracy/onyourchart.wav
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 17 October 2007 19:03 (sixteen years ago) link
http://media.npr.org/programs/morning/features/2007/oct/saggin/pants_billboard540.jpg
― sanskrit, Friday, 26 October 2007 20:26 (sixteen years ago) link
the social acceptability of sagging vs. the social acceptability of homophobia
― deej, Friday, 26 October 2007 20:28 (sixteen years ago) link
myspace.com/pullyourpantsupman
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 26 October 2007 20:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Ay man, all you adults out there, all you supposed "grown people" Will you please stop lying to your people? Could we please have a moment of fucking honesty? You know, honesty, the shit that you ask your people to be with you, when you ask them are they having sex, or doing drugs? Could we please stop fucking lying? (that's life) Like you preachers out there, who spread the myth that young boys who slack they pants pick that shit up from prison to let niggas know they homosexual. You and your faggot twisted mind know that ain't true, you sick fuck, for even saying that shit. (that's life) We wear our fucking pants big because our mothers were too poor to buy our size, so they had to buy two or three sizes up. Call it what it is, nigga, poverty. It's fuckin poverty. You know, poverty, the opposite of the big fuckin cars and planes you drive, motherfucka.
― deej, Friday, 26 October 2007 20:53 (sixteen years ago) link
gee, the NPR feature somehow missed this angle
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 26 October 2007 20:54 (sixteen years ago) link
killer mike not invited on NPR feature shockah
― forksclovetofu, Friday, 26 October 2007 21:10 (sixteen years ago) link
God damn Bill Cosby and his faggot twisted mind
― J0hn D., Friday, 26 October 2007 21:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Like you preachers out there not talking to cosby but it related to the debate so
― deej, Friday, 26 October 2007 21:53 (sixteen years ago) link
not endorsing it pt. by pt. either
no I know, I love that track and a lot of what km sez on it, I'm just sorta obligated by persona to squawk y'know
― J0hn D., Friday, 26 October 2007 22:10 (sixteen years ago) link
john at the risk of getting ultra-flamed by you I don't think it's your place to school a black artist on how to represent himself - hate if you gotta hate, whatever, but when a white writer starts telling a black artist what his community responsibilities are...shit man I can't see you putting up with that from somebody else!
― and what, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:24 (sixteen years ago) link
some of this stuff transcends/supercedes specific ethnic communities doesn't it...? I mean on some level this is stuff that applies to and affects all Americans, not just black (or white) people.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:28 (sixteen years ago) link
(I mean the pants thing is stupid and who cares really - but the endless homophobia/glorification of consumerism/violence/etc those are not ethnicity-specific issues that affect and involve just black people)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:30 (sixteen years ago) link
i though baggy pants as a style signifier originated as a way to easily hide guns?
― max, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link
i thought it was meant to signify that the wearer enjoyed phil collins and showed up late to appointments
― and what, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:35 (sixteen years ago) link