Psychopaths (Adult and Otherwise)

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Bc I couldn't find a better thread* on ILX to post this link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/magazine/can-you-call-a-9-year-old-a-psychopath.html

He wasn’t fast enough. Seeing the video playing, Michael gave a keening scream, then scanned the room for the guilty party. His gaze settled on Allan. Grabbing a wooden chair, he hoisted it overhead as though to do violence but paused for several seconds, giving Miguel a chance to yank it away. Shrieking, Michael ran to the bathroom and began slamming the toilet seat down repeatedly. Dragged out and ordered to bed, he sobbed pitifully. “Daddy! Daddy! Why are you doing this to me?” he begged, as Miguel carried him to his room. “No, Daddy! I have a greater bond with you than I do with Mommy!” For the next hour, Michael sobbed and screamed, while Miguel tried to calm him. In the hall outside his room, Miguel apologized, adding that it was “an unusually bad night.”

Also cause it's a topic that interests me in general.

*Found this thread: My wife is telling me that I'm a sociopath

I really enjoyed this Ronson book too: http://www.amazon.com/The-Psychopath-Test-Journey-Industry/dp/1594488010

Mordy, Friday, 11 May 2012 23:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

Appropriately enough, everything the kid said reads like Cartman dialogue.

You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 11 May 2012 23:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

I like to think that with sufficient practice and dedication, anyone can be a psychopath.

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Friday, 11 May 2012 23:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

I believe that it's a psychological disorder with possible (hopefully one day treatable) genetic markers.

Mordy, Saturday, 12 May 2012 00:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

kid sounds scary. this is what bags, rocks and rivers were made for.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 00:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

kid sounds scary. this is what bags, rocks and rivers were made for.

― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer),

Seriously! Terrifying story.

improvised explosive advice (WmC), Saturday, 12 May 2012 00:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

The parents have him seriously monitored and in counseling. I don't know whether it can be treated through behavioral psychology but early intervention is really powerful.

Mordy, Saturday, 12 May 2012 00:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

Magnetic resonance imaging on the brains of adult psychopaths has shown what appear to be significant anatomical differences: a smaller subgenual cortex and a 5 to 10 percent reduction in brain density in portions of the paralimbic system, regions of the brain associated with empathy and social values, and active in moral decision making. According to James Blair, a cognitive neuroscientist at the National Institute of Mental Health, two of these areas, the orbitofrontal cortex and the caudate, are critical for reinforcing positive outcomes and discouraging negative ones.

Mordy, Saturday, 12 May 2012 00:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

no pressure, parents!

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Saturday, 12 May 2012 00:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

and these are parents who actually care enough to get doctors and testing and carefully monitor their own behaviour as parents

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Saturday, 12 May 2012 00:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol serendipitous thread; i just got drunk and impulse-kindled robert hare's WITHOUT CONSCIENCE

their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 12 May 2012 00:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

i haven't read it. tell me if it's good?

Mordy, Saturday, 12 May 2012 00:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

the thing that interests me most about psychopaths is the contempt they (apparently, i'm told, i am not an expert, plus one of the books i've read on this totally reeked of pop-psych and i've decided to just disregard the whole thing, like a jury) feel for normals, who are insultingly easy to manipulate and do all kinds of stupid irrational things based on stupid irrational attachments to other people; i imagine (although perhaps i am being romantic) that for some psychopaths this contempt comes not just out of a sense of superiority but of a kind of jealousy? since it must be apparent to them that the nonsensical and counterproductive empathy and love the people around them feel for each other is nevertheless a source of great joy and satisfaction (we need the eggs, etc) -- which psychopaths can only get temporarily, from victory and power (apparently if you're a successful, concealed psychopath your biggest problem is boredom). so to grow up this way -- even though your lack of empathy allows you to do all kinds of stuff that (particularly in the good ol capitalist west) can pay off very well for you -- is on some level to have your nose pressed against the glass of life, forever. PLUS isn't the christian conception of hell to be alone with yourself, disconnected from god, disconnected from the universe, isolated in the outer dark? i feel like at least some psychopaths must realize that there is something, some source of happiness, going on for the whole rest of humanity that they have for some reason been excluded from, and i can't imagine it makes them feel any better-disposed towards us.

their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 12 May 2012 00:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

xp i will!

their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 12 May 2012 00:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

(ignore the TED stuff, his book is terrific)

Vini Reilly Invasion (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, 12 May 2012 00:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

wr2 youngish psychos: i wouldn't be comfortable w/ the idea that i would be training a real-life Dexter Morgan.

Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 00:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

dlh, that's a really interesting theory that i've never thought of or heard.

the thing that's always compelled me about them is their skrull-like ability to hide it from ppl (tho ppl have mentioned feeling uncanny feelings around psychopaths that they couldn't otherwise explain). like you could know a psychopath casually and never know it.

Mordy, Saturday, 12 May 2012 00:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

well put, DLH

the late great, Saturday, 12 May 2012 00:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, knowing the notes but not the music, and all. but people are so eager to be paid attention to and loved i guess it's not too hard to make them feel like they are.

their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 12 May 2012 00:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah your "romantic" theory is an interesting take, difficult, esp. with the hell analogy.

dell (del), Saturday, 12 May 2012 01:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

that was a great post, dlh. not sure i'm totally sold by the "nose against the glass" metaphor, cuz i don't know how often the recognition of loss via alienation/incapacity really overcomes the contempt, but it's an interesting notion.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 01:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

in dealing with psychopaths, i've experienced a lot more contempt than self-awareness of that sort, but i'm hardly an expert

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 01:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

i love to hear psychopath stories hinthint

Mordy, Saturday, 12 May 2012 01:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

I find this stuff really interesting too! I like your nose-against-the-glass story, DLH

I read somewhere that a psychopath behaves similarly to a color-blind person who has learned societal techniques to mask their inability to see color. That resonated quite a bit with me personally, being colorblind myself. Not that I'm a psycopath lol but I understand the 'masking' behaviour and stress of trying to fit in and be 'normal' when you have a physical inability that can let you down in very public and humiliating ways that aren't apparent until they're pointed out to you by a very disapproving public. I've thought about it a bit, and have tried to parse it out somewhat, thinking that perhaps at some point that burden of conformity either becomes so soul-destroying, deadening your sense of self over time, and if you encounter a particularly stressful period of your life then maybe it's more than you are physically able to handle to maintain the mask under such stress so it just gives way, and cracks....or alternatively, the resentment of having to maintain the facade just fosters your resentment of the people you're 'performing' for, and the desire to show your true self becomes a private dream/ambition/wish, and left unchecked the resentment and desire to punish slowly replaces the mask

Or something. I dunno, I am a bit like DLH, and very selfconscious of my 'airy fairy' theories that are not really grounded in anything much beyond speculation.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 12 May 2012 01:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

mordy, the only person that springs to mind right away for me is a friend from high school. i always used to predict to our mutual friends (only half-jokingly) that he would end up in white collar prison at some point. just googled him and he appears to be an extremely successful financial advisor these days.

i was good friends with him at one time... i dunno, maybe he was just a garden-variety asshole? the last time i saw him was in college... he had joined a frat and told me that he was taking acid on a daily basis. on that occasion he was disconcertingly phony towards me, and then a few months later when i ran into him he was almost disconcertingly upfront, saying something like "well, i would say 'hey let's go hang out and get a drink sometime' but people always say shit like that and let's be real, we both know that'll never happen". when i was close to him i remember him liking the idea of being manipulative towards people and even being a little sadistic. i knew he was not the kind of person it would be good to confide in. but who knows? maybe he has matured into a really sweet guy.

dell (del), Saturday, 12 May 2012 02:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

also is it just me or does the Dad, Miguel, seem particularly interesting in that article.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 12 May 2012 02:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh yeah, definitely. u have to wonder whether he's embellishing his own childhood to give himself false hope about his kid, or whether someone who might register as a child psychopath really can right themselves at some point. his line about a force coming from outside to modulate your behavior was really fascinating

Mordy, Saturday, 12 May 2012 02:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

and that quote at the end, like "repress-repress-repress, son, it's the only way" was kind of scary and sad and...yeah. I dunno. Either way, he is going to have to be 100% right with himself to be handle what Michael has in store for them.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 12 May 2012 02:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

re-reading my post up there it sounds like i am really downplaying the possibility of my friend being a p'path. not only do i want to think the best of him but also i just saw a picture of him-- the first time i've seen his face in 20 years, and with that came a flood of memories of doing fun stuff with him

anyhow, the reason why i always predicted him becoming a white collar criminal: my other high school friends, most of whom were far from being saints themselves, upon hearing of his latest enterprise (at different times he was booking shows, selling records, selling drugs...) would always immediately say "oh, well with 'x' you know it's gotta be something shaaaaady", and in fact there usually was an angle to it.

this was a kid who you got the idea was more into booking shows for the wheeling and dealing aspects of it and the money he could potentially pocket for himself as opposed to the sheer fun of being able to see his favorite bands play in town. this was a kid whom i hung out with and talked on the phone with every day but who would charge me just about the highest price he could get away with if i were buying a record from him. he was the kid whose parents were ridic loaded, but who stole money from his employers if he had the opportunity to do so.

another thing that sticks in my mind about him-- in senior yr of hs he had a girlfriend for the first time. that summer he went out of town for a couple of wks on a family vacation. when he came back into town he met up with the girlfriend at a party. apparently when he walked in the door she ran up to him, threw her arms around him, saying "'x'!! I've missed you omg!" etc... and his reaction was to say something like "yeah yeah, let's go upstairs. i've been out of town for two weeks. i haven't had sex for TWO WEEKS!". i just remember hearing this story at the time from his friends, who were all sort of assholes in their own way, but were all shocked by how coldly he had behaved towards her. again this was his first girlfriend of any sort, ever. it wasn't as though she was just another in a long line of drunken hookups or whatever.

over the years whenever i've read about psychopaths he always came into my mind as a candidate. one of the things that always gave me pause about mentally labeling him as one, though, involves a memory of him telling me how the first time he took acid he started crying and couldn't figure out why, until he realized that it was because he happened to be in a part of town which unlocked a buried memory he had of a sad experience from childhood involving his family. i'm not sure that a psychopath would confide in such a way-- i'm guessing that would mean too much vulnerability. i should add that at the time he told the story i didn't have any sense that he was trying to be manipulative or produce some reaction in me-- he was just trying to explain what his experience of the drug was like.

anyway, now i am super-curious as to what he is like these days. i should put on my best millionaire's voice and call his office.

dell (del), Saturday, 12 May 2012 03:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

thanks for posting this, mordy, really quite fascinating. the quotes from the kid made the hair stand up on the back of my neck, i really can't fathom what it must be like to parent a child like that. do anne and miguel lie awake at night wondering if he's going to try and kill them? or his brothers? idk this seems like a horrifically stressful and scary situation to be in.

as to the dad - one thing they didn't address in the article, that i wondered about, is the possible guilt miguel has, like does he feel responsible for the way michael has turned out, bc of the genetic link?

just1n3, Saturday, 12 May 2012 04:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

del, wd love to hear yr millionaire's voice.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 12 May 2012 05:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

An hour later, after the boys were finally asleep, Miguel and I sat down at the kitchen table. Growing up, he said, he had also been a difficult child — albeit not so problematic as Michael. “A lot of parents didn’t want me around their kids, because they thought I was crazy,” he said, closing his eyes at the memory. “I didn’t listen to adults. I was always in trouble. My grades were horrible. I would be walking down the street and I would hear them say, in Spanish: ‘Ay! Viene el loco!’ — ‘Here comes the crazy one.’ ”

According to Miguel, this antisocial behavior lasted until his late teens, at which point, he said, he “grew up.” When I asked what caused the change, he looked uncertain. “You learn to pacify the rough waters,” he said at last. “It just happens. You learn to control yourself from the outside in.”

I've never been a psychopath, but this resonated with me because I had behavioral problems as a kid that alienated me from other kids & it seemed to dissipate magically within a few months towards the end of puberty.

crüt, Saturday, 12 May 2012 06:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

was in school with a dude like this from middle school through the end of high school. he killed his parents in college. :-/

the late great, Saturday, 12 May 2012 06:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't feel like I have quite enough sense from that article on just how those kids have been raised. they might be getting enough attention, and are disciplined sometimes, but maybe the parents aren't raising them to have a moral sense... which would perhaps develop naturally, or by example, for some kids, but for kids with Michael's condition, maybe there needs to be a moral framework to explain the actual significance of compassion and reciprocity. a lot of parents seem to just think as long as their kid is happy and equipped for success in the world, then they're doing their job, without really teaching them to actually be nice. and in my experience with sociopaths and emotionally irresponsible people, they were never really given that kind of lesson or example. I kind of get the sense that Miguel is bit aloof about it all... 'oh, he'll figure things out'... while the mom maybe just disciplines without explaining why this kid should bother giving a shit about other people

Chris S, Saturday, 12 May 2012 08:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

afaict, a lot of people raised in fucked environments don't suffer from serious, tragic, organic mental disorders. and a lot of people raised in safe, loving homes with a coherent "moral framwork" do. hesitant to blame the parents psychotic kids, though obviously bad/inept parenting can lead to all sorts of problems, too.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 08:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

...the parents of psychotic kids...

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 08:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

well, there are exceptions, and I'm not suggesting it's the whole story, but actually I'm trying to think of even one sociopathic type I'd known growing up that didn't have a distant/cold/lazy upbringing. you could always trace it back, in part, to having absolutely no example to build on, or if there was it was more 'life's a game'. I'm not suggesting everyone with inept parents end up that way, but if someone's chemistry is off it's probably worse that they're coming up in this meaningless suburban context getting their sense of others through screens

Chris S, Saturday, 12 May 2012 08:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

I was involved for a few years with a guy who I suspect was borderline psychopathic. He was deeply manipulative and had this calculated, smirking way of doing really horrible things to people - mostly me, at the time. Lying about having ever borrowed money or something and twisting recent events around and accusing you of being forgetful and stupid. Subtle implications and dropped comments to imply all his friends hated me. Werid acting out. Completely forgetting/denying shitty things he'd do, the next day. He was adopted and he was SO HORRIBLE to his parents, who were older, and seemed to really try their best (and you could tell had always struggled), and he hated his sister because she wasnt an adopted child.

Hes dead now, and I dont know what from. Probably alcoholism. Ive never known anyone as intensely, deeply spiteful, malicious and *delightedly* so as that guy could be.

Pureed Moods (Trayce), Saturday, 12 May 2012 08:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah, the psychopath in my life also died young, but not before possibly getting away with murder. It was a super complicated act of manipulation, probably nothing any jury could ever convict on, and I cannot and will not get into the details, but a very close relative of his whom he despised got DNRed under very strange circumstances. He did the terribly dutiful family member bit very publicly afterwards, grieved beautifully, but I saw him hissing coldly to his victim "I wish you would hurry up and die already" a month or two before, while other family members were talking loudly and friendlily in the same room and thus not paying attention. He saw that I saw, and didn't care.

Three Word Username, Saturday, 12 May 2012 09:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

was in school with a dude like this from middle school through the end of high school. he killed his parents in college. :-/

― the late great, Saturday, May 12, 2012 2:50 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I know someone who killed his parents, too, and although I didn't go to school with him, I was part of the same church youth ministry and later had some college classes with him. I don't know if he was a psychopath, but he was, on reflection, a weird guy.

Mordy, have you read Dave Cullen's "Columbine"? It makes the clearest, most well-argued case I've seen that Eric Harris was a psychopath, and that there were people in his life who should have recognized it.

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Saturday, 12 May 2012 12:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

My favorite part in The Psychopath Test was his meeting with Toto Constant. I think about it all the time.
1. Toto Constant had a roomful of happy meal toys he'd collected.
2. At one point Constant tells Ronson he's glad Ronson likes him. Why? "If people like me, I can get them to do what I want." (paraphrase) I think about this when I'm irritated someone doesn't like me. Do I really want to be like Toto Constant, though?

Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Saturday, 12 May 2012 16:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

the eric harris journals are fascinating if you're interested in this kinda stuff: pages of total contempt, sometimes icy and sometimes enraged, for the deluded people around him who think there's a point to life besides power and are so easy to lie to. helped me understand nazism better: that eugenic worship of power and disgust at weakness.

their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 12 May 2012 16:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

haha abbbottt

dell (del), Saturday, 12 May 2012 16:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

i have two enduring memories of this guy (who was an AP student and went to a competitive engineering college)

1) in junior high school, telling everyone he could get the pr0n if they wanted (videos or magazines) because his dad supplied him with pr0n (i believe this was true) ... afaict everyone was creeped out by this, kids starting teasing him by giving him the nickname MISTER P, and this followed him through the end of high school

2) in high school, senior year, he played frisbee in the lawn on the quad at lunch every day, and sometimes when a throw would go wide, he would go charging after it at a full sprint, yelling "HEADS UP" and "LOOK OUT" and literally running through circles of seated freshmen on the grass to get the frisbee, sometimes almost kicking girls in the head in his rush to catch the damn disc

so basically lack of understanding of social conventions mixed w/ total disregard for others' well-being

the late great, Saturday, 12 May 2012 18:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

he murdered his parents because

-- he flunked out of the prestigious engineering school he was at

-- he forged transcripts to transfer into berkeley, which they figured out, leading to revocation of his successful transfer

-- he forged enough paperwork to convince his parents he was transferring to berkeley, and managed to get like $10k off them for it

-- his dad figured it out, confronted him about it one evening at the family business, and he murdered his dad with a handy pipe wrench that was sitting on the table

-- his mom showed up at the office as he was trying to clean up the murder scene, and so he murdered her too

the late great, Saturday, 12 May 2012 18:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

they interviewed his next-door neighbor on the TV news, who was also in our high school class, and iirc he said something to the effect of "well, you always hear people say i couldn't believe he'd do such a thing, but honestly if there was anybody in our high school i would think would do this it would be him"

and sadly enough everyone from high school i've ever talked to about this has said something to the same effect

the late great, Saturday, 12 May 2012 18:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

i have two enduring memories of this guy (who was an AP student and went to a competitive engineering college)

if you had just mentioned these bits without the murdered-his-parents part, I would have just assumed the kid was autistic/asperger's. :/ which, i think, just shows how hard it is to diagnose someone as a psychopath before they actually do something horrible.

Roz, Saturday, 12 May 2012 18:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

, in which 'Roz' shares their wisdom

nakhchivan, Saturday, 12 May 2012 18:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

?

Roz, Saturday, 12 May 2012 18:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

except all of my autistic / aspergers kids in my classes tend to be very introverted and would be sitting by themselves looking at pr0n or sitting as far away from other kids as possible making lists of types of frisbees

the late great, Saturday, 12 May 2012 18:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

psychopathy, like paedophilia, saves a little bit of hate for the sinner but disguises it as the limits of "treatability"

this sounds about right

gbx, Friday, 27 December 2013 14:32 (3 months ago) Permalink

12% but I lied my ass off ha ha!

Iago Galdston, Friday, 27 December 2013 15:07 (3 months ago) Permalink

waaay xpost but my blurb was the same as sarahel's and roz

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 27 December 2013 15:34 (3 months ago) Permalink

Absolutely stunned to find out that I'm posting to a board filled with borderline psychopaths. Had no idea until this thread

乒乓, Friday, 27 December 2013 15:37 (3 months ago) Permalink

me either! i am the least psychopathic among us if this quiz is to be believed! 3%!!

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Friday, 27 December 2013 15:51 (3 months ago) Permalink

Manipulative lying is probably second nature to any adult psychopath with an IQ over 85. Seems to me any test for psychopathology would have to be pretty damn clever to disguise the 'socially unacceptable' responses and lure an adult psychopath into the self-revelation.

Aimless, Friday, 27 December 2013 17:16 (3 months ago) Permalink

aimless otm. i scored 56% but it was prob cuz i avoided the scale's extremities. yeah, that's the ticket.

i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Friday, 27 December 2013 17:25 (3 months ago) Permalink

"Oh, lawsy me! I would never dream of doing anything remotely like that!" probably correlates to zero psychopathic tendency, while "as a rational being I try to avoid absolutes, because it is impossible to foresee all the circumstances in advance" probably correlates to some higher percentage of psycho tendencies. Taking candy from a baby.

Aimless, Friday, 27 December 2013 17:30 (3 months ago) Permalink

wtf is this the antebellum south?
who says "Oh, lawsy me! I would never dream of doing anything remotely like that!"

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Friday, 27 December 2013 17:36 (3 months ago) Permalink

wah i do declare

turkey & stfuing (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 December 2013 17:37 (3 months ago) Permalink

who says "Oh, lawsy me!...

Psychopaths taking multiple choice tests, obviously.

Aimless, Friday, 27 December 2013 17:45 (3 months ago) Permalink

flopson, Friday, 27 December 2013 17:47 (3 months ago) Permalink

61% and i went soft tbh

lorde othering (darraghmac), Friday, 27 December 2013 22:02 (3 months ago) Permalink

did you say Lawsy me y/n

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 27 December 2013 22:19 (3 months ago) Permalink

Never yet

lorde othering (darraghmac), Friday, 27 December 2013 22:47 (3 months ago) Permalink

36%

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 30 December 2013 07:10 (3 months ago) Permalink

27%

latebloomer, Monday, 30 December 2013 07:38 (3 months ago) Permalink

But I cheated obv and my real score is like a million percent

latebloomer, Monday, 30 December 2013 07:39 (3 months ago) Permalink

Was King Leopold II a psychopath?

people who care abt anti-hipster discourse (sarahell), Monday, 30 December 2013 11:18 (3 months ago) Permalink

27%

Same here. Popular score this.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 30 December 2013 11:42 (3 months ago) Permalink

33%

lol people are so easy

CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Monday, 30 December 2013 17:16 (3 months ago) Permalink

21%

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 30 December 2013 17:23 (3 months ago) Permalink

After careful study of these results, I note that people are never any percentage of psychopathic which is not divisible by three. I confidently conclude from this fact that it is impossible to be 100% psychopathic, but 99% is the most one can hope for.

Aimless, Monday, 30 December 2013 20:04 (3 months ago) Permalink

Nonsense! Just cut at thirty-three and a third.

Le passé, non seulement n'est pas fugace, il reste sur place (Michael White), Monday, 30 December 2013 20:18 (3 months ago) Permalink

Hit "agree" on everything and you get 100%

Øystein, Monday, 30 December 2013 21:37 (3 months ago) Permalink

which btw gives the text
"You can play hardball with the best of them! You know what you want and are not afraid to go for it – even if it means bending the rules occasionally and putting a few noses out of joint on the way. Nothing fazes you. You are decisive, self-confident and pretty much up for anything. You are a ‘means-to-an-end’ person. For you, it’s not necessarily a matter of right or wrong, but of what gets the job done. ‘Bring it on’ is your mantra, but to help those around you keep their heads, you should learn some tricks to help you temper your self-satisfying tendencies..."

Øystein, Monday, 30 December 2013 21:37 (3 months ago) Permalink

you get 100%

I am sorry. These results are anomalous and must be thrown out as suspect.

Aimless, Monday, 30 December 2013 23:13 (3 months ago) Permalink

Experiences have me suspecting that some of these parents might be plausibly described as psychopathic or sociopathic, or just burnt out, in denial, etc.---from Irrationally Angrier:
This deserves its own thread, but right now I'm too depressed by latest incident: parents who let their children run wild in public.

― dow, Sunday, December 29, 2013 7:01 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

With the parent a few feet away in most cases, but also those who just fucking drop them off and leave (in malls where I'm working/consuming, libraries, etc)

― dow, Sunday, December 29, 2013 7:03 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And the ones who are a few feet away may either flip put if anybody says anything, or get this really creepy smile (sometimes while leaving with kid, even). But mostly the former. A few do get seemingly sincerely apologetic and worried, like they suddenly realize what they've done, or not done. I would never ever ever say anything unless it's my job, which occasionally it has been (gently someone to take her child outside after child has puked all over store: not a good idea).

― dow, Sunday, December 29, 2013 7:08 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

gently *asking* someone, that is.

― dow, Sunday, December 29, 2013 7:09 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dow, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 17:06 (3 months ago) Permalink

those ppl are not sociopaths

gbx, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 17:18 (3 months ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

he sure does self-diagnose as a lot of fucking things, im not surprised pyschopath happened to be one of em

gelatinate mess (darraghmac), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 01:57 (2 months ago) Permalink

has he taken the test for hypochondria has he

gelatinate mess (darraghmac), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 01:57 (2 months ago) Permalink

i'm interested in psychopaths like everyone else but they sure are trendy right now. "psychopathic" has basically replaced the word "selfish".

tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 02:06 (2 months ago) Permalink

whatever happened to plain old narcissism.

ryan, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 02:09 (2 months ago) Permalink

the average selfish person has a lot to answer for these days

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 02:12 (2 months ago) Permalink

good luck getting a narcissist to own up to being 'average'

gelatinate mess (darraghmac), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 02:13 (2 months ago) Permalink

sorry, the above-average selfish person

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 02:19 (2 months ago) Permalink

i'm interested in psychopaths like everyone else but they sure are trendy right now

feel the same about unicorns, wonder if they have similar ontological status

can't believe people like things (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 09:10 (2 months ago) Permalink

I got 48%.Think I might retake and see if that's consistent. Mind on other things,

Stevolende, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 13:07 (2 months ago) Permalink

i got 12% on that test. i don't trust those kinds of surveys at all -- people don't know themselves -- but that score was in keeping with an argument i had with a friend recently where she said (more or less) that i can never relate to ordinary people because i don't understand the homicidal impulse.

tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 14:46 (2 months ago) Permalink

There's a big difference between not understanding it and not indulging it.

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 14:50 (2 months ago) Permalink

yeah, this was about me allegedly not wanting to kill people whereas most people allegedly do. it was sparked by a thing on npr where a soldier claimed that most people (himself included) join the military because they deeply want the opportunity to kill someone. i was skeptical about this and my friend thought i was being naive.

tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 14:54 (2 months ago) Permalink

i think that test mostly measures what people want to think about themselves, which is also something that impacts their behaviors. i guess i disagree with fallon (the nonviolent psychopathic neuroscientist) because i don't think inherent brain structure is the main determinant of how selfish people allow themselves to be.

tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 14:59 (2 months ago) Permalink

that soldier and your friend are psychopaths fyi

ryan, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 15:04 (2 months ago) Permalink

The soldier is. My friend is just trying to be realistic about people's interest in violence, as evidenced by entertainment etc.

tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 16:14 (2 months ago) Permalink

I don't know if that's true any more than liking a bacon sandwich is an expression of a desire to slaughter pigs but there is something to the idea that enlistment does reveal something about your comfort level with being complicit in killing people.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 19:03 (2 months ago) Permalink

yeah saying "most people want to kill people" is a mischaracterization of the discussion; the main point that was raised is that there are natural inclinations to violence that are repressed and certain people look for outlets for these inclinations, one of the most dangerous of which being the military. freud said the same thing in civilization and its discontents. there's something to it, probably, even though i personally don't feel like society has repressed any of my inclinations toward aggression. freud felt like i did on this account; certain drives are more present in certain individuals, many of whom do not exhibit antisocial behavior.

tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 19:10 (2 months ago) Permalink

i am listening to deafheaven right now. maybe music like this is how i deal with my aggressive energy, and maybe my self-identification as a pacifistic sort of dude -- which comes from my upbringing -- makes it so i don't like to recognize this aggressive energy. see, this is why i don't trust people when they diagnose themselves with things. it's a cheesy quote but vonnegut said "we are who we pretend to be" and i think this is true.

tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 19:14 (2 months ago) Permalink

or at least, in large part true. self-described psychopaths seem to like the idea that they are different than other people, and to value certain psychopathic traits such as cunning and worldly success over traits like empathy and caring. maybe they have this value system -- and subsequent ego ideal -- because of a malfunctioning amygdala but maybe not. probably the amygdala is just one part of the equation and we have no way of knowing how big a part it plays.

tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 19:18 (2 months ago) Permalink

Not all violence is pathological.

Aimless, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 19:25 (2 months ago) Permalink


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