i believe i arrived just in time for peak "bad to the bone"
― ejemplo (crüt), Monday, 2 May 2016 15:33 (eight years ago) link
I remember the 80s, so maybe I'm back out of the club
― μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 2 May 2016 15:57 (eight years ago) link
*listens to foreigner*
like, i can't imagine (though it's certainly possible) someone in 1900 muttering "these kids today."
― ryan, Monday, May 2, 2016 11:00 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no way, this has been a constant throughout human history
― flappy bird, Monday, 2 May 2016 16:07 (eight years ago) link
as an actual "generational" statement or just the folly of youth in general? I imagine even the latter depends on an idea of adolescence that is itself rather new in the scheme of things?
― ryan, Monday, 2 May 2016 16:13 (eight years ago) link
though yeah the idea of societal degeneration and "declension" is far older (and maybe these "newer" ideas simply glom on to those older ones)
― ryan, Monday, 2 May 2016 16:15 (eight years ago) link
I read a really bad late novel by Edith Wharton (Twilight Sleep, 1927) which is 100% on the theme of "this younger generation of people is feckless and useless, what will a world in their incapable hands be like"
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 2 May 2016 16:17 (eight years ago) link
i was born in december '87 and have only vague memories of 1990-1993
― ejemplo (crüt), Monday, May 2, 2016 11:32 AM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ejemplo (crüt), Monday, May 2, 2016 11:33 AM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― μpright mammal (mh), Monday, May 2, 2016 11:57 AM
http://45.media.tumblr.com/a85e5d7fc85bba23a7f3e09a3f1ca1a9/tumblr_neaqitaUoJ1roul0do4_400.gif
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2016 16:19 (eight years ago) link
i'd feel pretty good about a world in the hands of my generation except for the part where it's already fucked beyond repair before we got here
― ciderpress, Monday, 2 May 2016 16:19 (eight years ago) link
― Guayaquil (eephus!),
ha – I read it last year and was pretty appalled.
i remember everyone remembering the 80s in 2002, fun times
― yellow despackling power (Will M.), Monday, 2 May 2016 16:46 (eight years ago) link
as a millennial born in the nineties, i learned a lot from VH1's I Love the 80's.
― flappy bird, Monday, 2 May 2016 16:52 (eight years ago) link
I first heard "Billie Jean" and "Blue Monday" as MIDI files in a freeware Pac-Man clone for Windows 95
― ejemplo (crüt), Monday, 2 May 2016 17:00 (eight years ago) link
This would be a whole lot easier if everybody was born in clumps. Like in 1945, someone decided: let's all fuck for a year and we'll have a generation of kids who all share a common experience. Then we'll take a breather to raise those kids so that they all have the same values, experiences, and cultural touchstones.
Okay, that went great. Now it's 1965, let's make another bunch. These ones will be totally tubular.
Hmmm. 1985. Where were we? Oh yeah, reproduction. Quick, everybody make some babies.
Instead, what we have is a continuous stream of births. Alas.
― to bae or not to bae (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 2 May 2016 17:01 (eight years ago) link
http://www.clickhole.com/article/no-coincidence-9-months-after-fuck-day-first-wave--4234
― ejemplo (crüt), Monday, 2 May 2016 17:02 (eight years ago) link
I don't really know any teenagers atm but I follow a few on twitter as an anthropological experiment, and I think I like this gen of highschoolers. they remind me much more of my gen than do the millennials.
― always be charging (rip van wanko), Monday, 2 May 2016 17:08 (eight years ago) link
I just bought two Wharton collections from Library of America and I think that book is included in the second one - can't wait!
― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 2 May 2016 17:13 (eight years ago) link
dang there are kids in high school who weren't alive on 9/11
― ciderpress, Monday, 2 May 2016 17:20 (eight years ago) link
― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱),
that's where I read it. The Mother's Recompense is better.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2016 17:27 (eight years ago) link
If The Bunner Sisters is in there, go straight to that one, wow.
Twilight Sleep not just bad but really different from the good stuff; to the point it was literally hard for me to get my head around the fact that the same person wrote it.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 2 May 2016 18:54 (eight years ago) link
In good Wharton, by the way, generational differences are certainly an issue but I think the view from middle age is less "kids today are terrible let us explain to them how they should be" than "our time is done, we shall now graciously and regretfully fade into the expensive wallpaper"
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 2 May 2016 18:55 (eight years ago) link
Wharton's heroine in Summer is a teenage unwed mother
― Brad C., Monday, 2 May 2016 19:03 (eight years ago) link
i am totally Generation Wharton
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 2 May 2016 20:45 (eight years ago) link
Boy, Gen X's stock couldn't be much lower these days (b. 1968)...we truly are the Jan Brady of this bunch
― Iago Galdston, Monday, 2 May 2016 20:49 (eight years ago) link
i am seeing more and more pieces about how my generation's anxiousness and fragility is secretly manipulative, a way for us to get our way.
― Treeship, Monday, 2 May 2016 13:22 (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Starting to believe this btw
― Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Monday, 2 May 2016 20:49 (eight years ago) link
lol
― μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 2 May 2016 21:10 (eight years ago) link
Boy, Gen X's stock couldn't be much lower these days
I dunno, our attitude is described as "conditional loyalty" which I think far the most sensible stance out of all those depicted
but then I would (b.1971, have purchased Zima)
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 2 May 2016 21:12 (eight years ago) link
well at least you never boomed a baby
― ciderpress, Monday, 2 May 2016 21:28 (eight years ago) link
Time to drown my Gen X sorrows in OK Cola
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Monday, 2 May 2016 21:36 (eight years ago) link
had a millennial written Twilight Sleep she'd have called it Twilight: Sleep.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2016 21:43 (eight years ago) link
i think of millenials as 'people who got fucked over economically and are really tight with their moms'gen x as...ted rall basically? there's some people in there who hate the carter administration because gas linesand boomers think they invented everything
I am poorly educated
― no one in particular (Abbott), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 04:43 (eight years ago) link
or......millenials unlock mountain dew badges through phone things...gen x hated marketing but the ads for mountain dew were a tongue-in-cheek mockery of how bad ads are...and boomers had mountain dew ads with an actual fucking hillbilly
― no one in particular (Abbott), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 04:45 (eight years ago) link
or......millenials make dank memes for their youngs tumblr gif thing...gen x got in flame wars on usenet...everyone before that your life is unfathomable bcz no internet
― no one in particular (Abbott), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 04:46 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm_LmlFeNnM
― Zachary Taylor, Tuesday, 3 May 2016 05:02 (eight years ago) link
i wish i was a racecar driver who enjoyed the undying loyalty of wanda. baby boomers had all the luck .
― Treeship, Tuesday, 3 May 2016 05:12 (eight years ago) link
A little history lesson for you millennials who might not be aware that a lot of the slang you use today originated from gen x-ers.
http://hoaxes.org/images/hoaxarchive/1992grungespeak01.jpg
― Your Ass Is Grass And I Will Mow It With My Face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 12:17 (eight years ago) link
my own personal marker for Millennials is that they can't have actual, living memories of the 80s.
― ryan, Monday, May 2, 2016 3:22 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
what's the cutoff for millennials? i was born in '82 and i remember most things from age 2-3 on up pretty well
― Star Wars ate shiitake (latebloomer), Wednesday, 4 May 2016 00:23 (eight years ago) link
idk, i think millennials were born in the mid-late 80s and came of age in the 00s and very early 10s. early 80s seems like a gray zone generationally. seems more like Gen X to me
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 01:08 (eight years ago) link
xpost Gen X is the Jan Brady of the bunch because they're the most underpopulated of the three by far
it used to be defined as mid-80s, newer defs stick it in some wobbly 1980-1985 beginning age
― μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 4 May 2016 01:35 (eight years ago) link
i'm a highlander
X gonna give it to ya
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 02:42 (eight years ago) link
...gen x got in flame wars on usenet
lol yes this
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 02:43 (eight years ago) link
It doesn't seem polite to vote for my own generation, but it doesn't seem right to vote against myself either. I think I will abstain. Yes, that's the ticket!
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 4 May 2016 03:12 (eight years ago) link
Typical generational apathy and indecision
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Wednesday, 4 May 2016 03:31 (eight years ago) link
so, are we voting for favorite, or most hated?
― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Wednesday, 4 May 2016 15:00 (eight years ago) link
same thing, in this case..
― Mark G, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 15:04 (eight years ago) link
It's actually the other way round in some of Henry Green's post war novels: like, here we are (the younger generation) having to struggle all the hours God sends, doing crappy office jobs, having to put up with rationing etc when you lot (the older generation) got to enjoy yourselves drinking and dancing and having sex with one another in the 20s and 30s.
― (Henry) Green container bin with face (Tom D.), Wednesday, 4 May 2016 15:38 (eight years ago) link
as a millennial I'd like to officially disavow the generation that refers to Larry Graham as "Drake's uncle"
http://www.factmag.com/2016/05/16/drakes-uncle-leads-tributes-at-prince-memorial-service-in-minneapolis/
― ejemplo (crüt), Monday, 16 May 2016 12:06 (eight years ago) link
everybody check out this song it is PERFECT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLpE1Pa8vvI
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Sunday, 22 May 2016 19:27 (eight years ago) link
I had sex with one of them.
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 May 2024 20:47 (two weeks ago) link
Lol
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Saturday, 11 May 2024 20:48 (two weeks ago) link
One of my classmates in an alternative processes photography class was a film major, she and her husband had run up $20k in debt without yet completing her final project. At the time I was thinking about taking the intro film classes and seeing where it went but talking with her put that idea to bed immediately.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 11 May 2024 20:53 (two weeks ago) link
xps sorry if that sound grumpy or aggressive ENBB. I feel quite defensive about it tbh - because I loved it so much, because I hate what's happening to the liberal arts in this shitty country and how education is becoming purely about how we can make students into tiny profit machines. Which is to say, unfortunately, you're broadly right.
― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Saturday, 11 May 2024 21:10 (two weeks ago) link
I'm on the 'map, don't become a cop' side I think. Retrain as a teacher. You'd be awesome.
― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Saturday, 11 May 2024 21:11 (two weeks ago) link
Clearly, law enforcement could be recruiting much, much better people. On the other hand, much, much better people are typically not drawn to law enforcement as a career. I say "typically," with no offense intended to map; however, I wonder if even the people who aren't already disposed to being authoritarian bully boys are eventually ground down by the nature and structure of policing.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 11 May 2024 21:15 (two weeks ago) link
Xpost - not at all, I totally understand. It's incredibly disappointing.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Saturday, 11 May 2024 21:17 (two weeks ago) link
I haven't interacted with many cops on a personal level but when working with Black and Latino cops working as off-duty security - people who didn't seem law and order reactionary bullies by nature - it seemed like the camaraderie of the group does much of the work in making authoritarianism more acceptable. The other cops are your teammates, your bosses are constantly making you feel like victims and potentially at risk 24/7 from people outside the team.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 11 May 2024 21:22 (two weeks ago) link
When I applied for colleges, I was hoping for maximum financial aid and possibly scholarships - because of that, I was going to pay roughly the same wherever I went, so applied to the places that attracted me most. If that sounds like B’s situation, she could do the same?
Friends’ burgeoning filmmaker kid is going to my old college which now has an amazing film department 18yo me might’ve gravitated towards (or might’ve been terrified of having to compete with nepos to get a place on the course). My college educated plenty of successful filmmakers/showrunners before the programme became what it is today, many of whom were NOT producers’ children or wealthy to begin with. There are so many applied careers that originate in film studies; not everyone winds up a director because there are thousands of other jobs a film grad can do.
― steely flan (suzy), Saturday, 11 May 2024 21:25 (two weeks ago) link
You can always pivot from a film degree to making horny vampire music like Boy Harsher.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 11 May 2024 21:27 (two weeks ago) link
Or you can become an editor, cinematographer, casting director, prop maker… anything, really.
― steely flan (suzy), Saturday, 11 May 2024 21:40 (two weeks ago) link
Best boy
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 11 May 2024 21:41 (two weeks ago) link
I studied english and I have had a lucrative enough 20+ year career in tech so I dismiss these "don't study english" canards. in fact I'd gather that it may be harder to land a job with a CS degree right now because you are competing against people with deeper career experience, a trillion other recent CS grads, and the desire to ship those jobs out of the US to keep costs low. people should study what they enjoy in college, I think.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, 11 May 2024 22:11 (two weeks ago) link
fwiw, i was once in a lesbian group where one of the ladies was a cop. she said she got a _lot_ of hatred from queer people. personally i'm more opposed to the oppressive institution of policing than every single individual cop, but apparently a lot of gay people treat gay cops like shit.
― Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 11 May 2024 23:40 (two weeks ago) link
my cousin is a cop and I'm very embarrassed about it. shit happens I guess
― Colonel Poo, Sunday, 12 May 2024 02:41 (two weeks ago) link
i'm more opposed to the oppressive institution of policing than every single individual copAgree but the way the oppressive institution exerts its power is through individuals so in real life it's pretty impossible to keep those separate.
― Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 12 May 2024 02:54 (two weeks ago) link
The only way the institution really changes is if a wider range of people apply to become cops, and I guess you can take the pessimistic view that it doesn't matter, anyone who puts on the uniform becomes absorbed into the unchangeable institution, but I do not take the pessimistic view.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 12 May 2024 03:56 (two weeks ago) link
^^This. I just got back from a memorial for a mentor of mine who founded a film program at the CC I used to work at. It's highly likely that a substantial portion of any crew working productions in Houston in the past 20 years, from studio features and series down to commercials airing global to local, were trained in his academy.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 12 May 2024 04:13 (two weeks ago) link
Not to mention all the camera and sound people who work sporting events, big concerts, megachurches etc.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 12 May 2024 04:21 (two weeks ago) link
pretty well documented that 'good' reform-minded cops (in the NYPD, at the very least) are subject to the whole suppressive person package, up to and including 'accidental' death
reforming a gang from the bottom up is practically impossible
― mookieproof, Sunday, 12 May 2024 04:53 (two weeks ago) link
Xp akm did you read D Bond-Graham’s book about the Oakland PD? … I do not doubt there are worse police departments in the US, but ours (OPD) is historically awful and incompetent, which might make it worse than LAPD as a potential employee? Idk… Forensic accounting usually requires an accounting degree or at least a lot of coursework in accounting from when I looked into it … there were multiple levels of prerequisites before they’d let you take the forensic accounting class ime
― sarahell, Sunday, 12 May 2024 06:19 (two weeks ago) link
i think we need more english grads as cops and more cops as computer programmers and fewer philosophers as baristas
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 May 2024 08:59 (two weeks ago) link
A journeyman’s ticket in a trade and 10 years’ experience on the jobsite before you’re allowed to start studying philosophy.
― It was on a accident (hardcore dilettante), Sunday, 12 May 2024 13:29 (two weeks ago) link
And that’s another part of the whole cost of education issue! Degree inflation. Probably millennial and younger are most effected, but genx and even boomers have been too… older people who change careers or move to other states, in some cases. Like, getting needs based scholarships and grants for undergrad was possible (not saying everyone got all they needed) … tax credits are also fairly significant… but the increasing requirements of graduate degrees (Masters, MFA, MBA etc) for employment combined with next to no grant/scholarship assistance, only loans… I feel like a lot of recent labor organizing, specifically in the arts and academia, is spurred by all the debt the workers incurred to get these jobs that do little to repay the debt
― sarahell, Sunday, 12 May 2024 16:03 (two weeks ago) link
I used to work at a museum for $18/hr… but I had no student debt. Someone who has $100k of student debt and is working for those wages (increased a bit since i left)… fuck yea they’re going to unionize and demand better pay
― sarahell, Sunday, 12 May 2024 16:05 (two weeks ago) link
i think i am gonna keep talking about the police thing but i'm gonna do it over here:
Abolish the Police
― Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 12 May 2024 21:00 (two weeks ago) link