Abolish the Police

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bamcquern, Thursday, 26 October 2017 22:08 (six years ago) link

Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

previous thread starts there

bamcquern, Thursday, 26 October 2017 22:09 (six years ago) link

Once you abolish them, how do you keep them abolished?

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 27 October 2017 00:18 (six years ago) link

using the military, of course

bob lefse (rushomancy), Friday, 27 October 2017 00:19 (six years ago) link

policing should not be abolished

federal standards of policing should be established and enforced via funding. the department of transportation has done wonders for getting EMTs all to similar levels of competence across the country.

El Tomboto, Friday, 27 October 2017 00:21 (six years ago) link

Federal standards would be useful, possibly even great, but totally impossible in the current political climate. Or in any political climate I've seen in my lifetime. Or that I've read about in US history. Or that I can imagine occurring before I die.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 27 October 2017 00:28 (six years ago) link

i support the concept, but human beings like to persecute each other violently

also it's the end of the world

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 October 2017 00:31 (six years ago) link

is human beings persecuting each other violently referring to the police or non-police?

assawoman bay (harbl), Friday, 27 October 2017 00:47 (six years ago) link

how did everything on my ilx become tinier when i clicked this thread

assawoman bay (harbl), Friday, 27 October 2017 00:47 (six years ago) link

both, all, etc xp

i'd abolish the motherfucking goddamn US military murder machine first tho

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 October 2017 00:49 (six years ago) link

i think the police should be abolished but it should be done in a very slow and secretive manner to stop everyone from doing crimes *because* there are no police

assawoman bay (harbl), Friday, 27 October 2017 00:54 (six years ago) link

People who carry weapons as a hobby should probably be abolished before we abolish the professions where people sometimes carry guns

El Tomboto, Friday, 27 October 2017 01:20 (six years ago) link

Reminds me of a reddit thread where some dude was weighing the pro et contra arguments re: the 2nd amendment and leaning slightly toward more control before suddenly concluding, without the faintest trace of irony, that no matter which side of the fence you're on, the fact that guns are fun is so utterly undeniable that all other considerations are irrelevant, confirming the farseeing wisdom of the Founding Fathers™.

pomenitul, Friday, 27 October 2017 01:34 (six years ago) link

Oh, really

El Tomboto, Friday, 27 October 2017 01:37 (six years ago) link

policing involves a lot of activities that don't involve brutal, nay fatal, violence. And policing has been part of civilization since BCE2K and earlier, probably. if we follow Bardach's Eightfold Path, we're hardly into step 3 - "construct some alternatives." If we want to reform the business that is policing, we have to figure out who should do it, and what institutions should define how it is done.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 28 October 2017 00:16 (six years ago) link

five months pass...

#NoCopAcademy still holding it down at Chicago City Hall pic.twitter.com/45zKClRmdI

— Sarah Lazare (@sarahlazare) March 28, 2018

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 20:13 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

This is a good piece on Hong Kong protestor efforts:

https://lausan.hk/2019/how-to-abolish-the-hong-kong-police/

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 16:31 (three years ago) link

Abolish the police.

all cats are beautiful (silby), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 21:18 (three years ago) link

otm

dip to dup (rob), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 21:29 (three years ago) link

do it yesterday. i am losing my mind at ppl who think this dumbass eight is enough plan or whatever the fuck it's called is anything. how do i get off the internet.

contorted filbert (harbl), Friday, 5 June 2020 15:49 (three years ago) link

liberals are convinced that they can turn the police into nice boys who really care for the people they are funneling into the prison industrial complex

methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Friday, 5 June 2020 15:51 (three years ago) link

but if cops had to announce "i'm going to shoot you" before they shot you, maybe that would be your ticket to heaven. it would CHANGE. EVERYTHING.

contorted filbert (harbl), Friday, 5 June 2020 15:53 (three years ago) link

i just remembered one time deray mckesson was speaking at a conference i was at, and i knew there was no one i could talk to who would understand why he sucks, so i went to get a pastrami sandwich and came back when it was over

contorted filbert (harbl), Friday, 5 June 2020 15:54 (three years ago) link

How was the sandwich

all cats are beautiful (silby), Friday, 5 June 2020 15:54 (three years ago) link

it was great, i want another

contorted filbert (harbl), Friday, 5 June 2020 15:57 (three years ago) link

I prefer the defund/shrink approach to abolish. There is a bad historical meme going around now that policing originated with slave patrols, which is sort of a distorted half-truth. Societies of all kinds have always had some form of policing or other. Ours is clearly bloated, hyper-militarized and racist and needs to be radically reduced and changed.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 5 June 2020 16:09 (three years ago) link

Abolish the uniform guys, retain parking enforcement and grizzled detectives hiding hearts of gold under their gruff exteriors

all cats are beautiful (silby), Friday, 5 June 2020 16:11 (three years ago) link

Societies of all kinds have always had some form of policing or other.

citation needed

sleeve, Friday, 5 June 2020 16:15 (three years ago) link

it is not relevant to me whether the origin was in slave patrols. we can keep kurt wallander around to solve violent crimes, and we can keep all the stars of parking wars. everyone else has to go.

contorted filbert (harbl), Friday, 5 June 2020 16:26 (three years ago) link

oh, so you mean "modern civilization" not the hundreds of thousands of years of hunter gatherers, OK.

IMO that history shows the problems that resulted from the "first fence" more than anything:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/560830.My_Name_is_Chellis_and_I_m_in_Recovery_from_Western_Civilization

sleeve, Friday, 5 June 2020 16:36 (three years ago) link

not only is it broadly modern civilization but it's far from a continuous history and most police forces in their modern organization, powers and tactics aren't much older than the mid 19th century

on the other hand even if they were ordained by god in the garden of Eden abolish the fuckers

hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Friday, 5 June 2020 16:38 (three years ago) link

oh ok so we should build a neoprimitive society with 7 billion people on the planet, that should go well

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 5 June 2020 16:39 (three years ago) link

well the 19th century was when much of the world's population urbanized

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 5 June 2020 16:40 (three years ago) link

this isn't a reformist thread

NV otm

they are agents of capital and should be shown no remorse or mercy

sleeve, Friday, 5 June 2020 16:40 (three years ago) link

as i said, the police as constituted today are very much a function of the capitalist societies that introduced them, form something else by all means but the police institutions we have were rotten at conception

hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Friday, 5 June 2020 16:41 (three years ago) link

and they don't keep us safe, either

sleeve, Friday, 5 June 2020 16:41 (three years ago) link

this seems as good a place as any to vent: my local solidarity rally tomorrow is not allowing anti-police signs. I wish them the best with it but I'm going to pass. Small city in Canada.

maffew12, Friday, 5 June 2020 16:41 (three years ago) link

there's probably other threads for cautiously liking the police tbf

hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Friday, 5 June 2020 16:42 (three years ago) link

Without first dismantling capitalism, there's no practical difference between abolishing the police and privatising it.

I don't think short-term commitment to abolition can be used as a gatekeeping device for conversations about how to move forward from where we are now.

ShariVari, Friday, 5 June 2020 16:43 (three years ago) link

it is true that we must first seize the means of production before the withering away of the state can occur

contorted filbert (harbl), Friday, 5 June 2020 16:46 (three years ago) link

anyway the specific bone of contention was that the police are not a natural offshoot of the state of nature who must always be with us as sinful fallen humans

hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Friday, 5 June 2020 16:49 (three years ago) link

thank you, yes that is what I was saying

sleeve, Friday, 5 June 2020 16:50 (three years ago) link

You know that old canard, "It's easy to criticize the police but you'll soon change your tune when you actually need them"? Well, I think I've said it here before but whenever I've actually needed the police - break-ins, muggings etc - they have proved to be completely useless and generally given the impression they couldn't give a flying fuck.

Captain Beeftweet (Tom D.), Friday, 5 June 2020 16:50 (three years ago) link

Add laziness and ineptitude to their list of sins.

Captain Beeftweet (Tom D.), Friday, 5 June 2020 16:51 (three years ago) link

here here, NV. I will have to work to have this discussion more, locally, soon.

maffew12, Friday, 5 June 2020 16:53 (three years ago) link

ok just spitballing here but what if we abolished the police

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 5 June 2020 16:54 (three years ago) link

hm interesting expand on that

all cats are beautiful (silby), Friday, 5 June 2020 16:54 (three years ago) link

the first time i got burgled the first 15 minutes of interaction with the cops was persuading them we hadn't done it ourselves cos we lived on a "bad" estate

hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Friday, 5 June 2020 16:54 (three years ago) link

love to burgle myself

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 5 June 2020 17:00 (three years ago) link

"yo we gots good time, how many people could he kill in 30, 40 minutes? we could get lunch now even"

Gymnopédie Pablo (Neanderthal), Friday, 27 May 2022 16:44 (one year ago) link

just infuriating

CW: DISTURBING CONTENT

Student calls to 911:
12:03—whispered she's in room 112
12:10—said multiple dead
12:13—called again
12:16—says 8-9 students alive
12:19—student calls from room 111
12:21—3 shots heard on call
12:36—another call
12:43—asks for police
12:47—asks for policehttps://t.co/CzkuF1llq1

— Mike Baker (@ByMikeBaker) May 27, 2022

sorry, there should probably be a disturbing content warning on that tweet.

can a mod put it in hide text, maybe?

I hope the thing that sticks with people is the image of police pushing, tazing, hand-cuffing unarmed parents while too shook to go in and save their kids. Like this is the even darker version of someone calling the cops for a noise complaint and they show up and kill your dog.

Legislators responded to the 2018 Parkland school shooting by hiring police officers in every elementary, middle and high school in Florida. It didn’t make students safer. Instead, it led to this: https://t.co/ew9NxbWfBe pic.twitter.com/ykc5win0hm

— Samuel Sinyangwe (@samswey) May 26, 2022

rob, Friday, 27 May 2022 19:04 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

The mother who rescued her two boys from the #Uvalde gunman says she’s being harassed by cops at her own home

Angeli Rose Gomez said she had to separate from her boys "just so my sons don't feel like they have to watch cops passing by, stopping” https://t.co/v25mLGzeaa pic.twitter.com/VHwwQUEYTq

— philip lewis (@Phil_Lewis_) June 26, 2022

the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Monday, 27 June 2022 15:44 (one year ago) link

remember when kids dying was this line in the sand that even the most cast-iron hearted could not cross, and the actions of a loving mother to save her kids by any means necessary was praised rather than mocked?

yeah, me neither. fuck the police. fuck THOSE police. they're just angry that the mom had the balls to do what they wouldn't.

Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Monday, 27 June 2022 15:48 (one year ago) link

She disobeyed The Police and must be punished

Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 27 June 2022 16:27 (one year ago) link

It brings me no pleasure to report that ACAB includes Queef Cop pic.twitter.com/07JrPdgSjX

— Scoob (@Scoobydouchebag) June 27, 2022

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 11:10 (one year ago) link

I’m dying

castanuts (DJP), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 15:56 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

THREAD. A few additional thoughts about Biden calling for 100,000 new cops and billions more for surveillance at a time of rising fascism.

— Alec Karakatsanis (@equalityAlec) July 25, 2022

Tracer Hand, Friday, 5 August 2022 16:25 (one year ago) link

the guy knows what he’s talking about btw ^

Tracer Hand, Friday, 5 August 2022 16:26 (one year ago) link

Talk about funding a Neo-Nazi army

F'kin Magnetometers, how do they work? (President Keyes), Friday, 5 August 2022 17:30 (one year ago) link

This other thread of his is v good too

THREAD: One of our clients was an 11-year-old Black child taking a shower before bed when DC police burst into her bathroom, pulled back the curtain, and pointed guns at her naked body. Cops said they found a little marijuana on her dad (who didn't live there) two weeks before.

— Alec Karakatsanis (@equalityAlec) August 4, 2022

Tracer Hand, Friday, 5 August 2022 17:41 (one year ago) link

The controversial West Side police academy will have mock neighborhood for training — raising the total cost of the project to $128 million. Here's what it will look like: https://t.co/77Mfg2RXpj. pic.twitter.com/oa2lB7tJo1

— Block Club Chicago (@BlockClubCHI) August 10, 2022

Now every Chicago trainee cop will be able to pretend they're Seal Team 6 training to take down Osama's compound

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 10 August 2022 18:23 (one year ago) link

It will all be worth it to finally end mental illness in this cpountry.

DJI, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 18:32 (one year ago) link

suspended with pay, natch

Two Indiana officers were suspended after a stunning courtroom revelation that police thought a potential town council candidate was anti-police and arrested him, stopping him from running for office.

During a July 19 hearing, Franklin County Prosecutor Chris Huerkamp dropped charges that included drug possession against Trevin Thalheimer after an officer and witness recounted how Brookville police talked about Thalheimer. Huerkamp, who also did not pursue a rape charge police had investigated, said he was “disturbed beyond words” by the alleged police conduct and reported the incident to the Indiana State Police, which launched a criminal investigation. The transcript of the hearing was made public Monday.

Brookville Police Chief Terry Mitchum and the investigating officer, Ryan Geiser, were suspended with pay from the nine-person force Thursday by the town’s council, which ordered them to stay away from other officers and town property. The council installed an interim chief in a brief emergency meeting and said it would begin searching for a permanent replacement.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/08/10/indiana-police-arrest-political-candidate/

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 10 August 2022 18:49 (one year ago) link

man how does this stuff keep happening?! so confusing, must just be an incredible unbroken string of coincidences stretching back hundreds of years

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 21:42 (one year ago) link

it's okay folks, just a few more bad apples to chase out and then things will be just absolutely hunky dory

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 10 August 2022 21:52 (one year ago) link

Indiana's new state motto is "More Oklahoma than Oklahoma."

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 10 August 2022 21:53 (one year ago) link

Eric Adams's New York doesn't have the money to pay for lifeguards at the beach past 6pm during an August heat wave, but it has plenty of money to send a team of armed cops to arrest someone for swimming at the beach without a lifeguard. https://t.co/HR9l6sT0FU

— Sam Feldman 🌹 (@srfeld) August 10, 2022

President Keyes, Saturday, 13 August 2022 13:07 (one year ago) link

arresting people for not showing their ID immediately because they're in the water, typical NY policing (though not NYPD this time). classy.

really cannot recommend this newsletter highly enough

https://substack.com/profile/9600332-alec-karakatsanis

Tracer Hand, Friday, 19 August 2022 14:29 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Idk about this one - https://newrepublic.com/article/167627/defund-social-workers

Tbh it’s not that there aren’t reasonable points in there but a pretty godawful headline and opening.

JoeStork, Saturday, 24 September 2022 01:03 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

"Then Louise Casey’s second report into the Met is due in March, and is expected to be as damning, if not more so, than the first report, which found huge failings in how the force investigates officers. It led Rowley to admit that hundreds of racist, misogynist and corrupt officers have been allowed to continue to serve in the Met"

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/16/met-police-david-carrick-one-woman-act-of-bravery-abuse

xyzzzz__, Monday, 16 January 2023 13:50 (one year ago) link

Met Police commissioner Mark Rowley says the force was investigating 1,000 sexual/domestic abuse claims involving about 800 of its officers - @BBCNews reports.

— Pippa Crerar (@PippaCrerar) January 16, 2023

xyzzzz__, Monday, 16 January 2023 19:50 (one year ago) link

In the UK police are to be given more powers to crack down on protest.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 16 January 2023 19:50 (one year ago) link

Worth repeating that police do not require an DBS certificate to work, which virtually every other job that comes in contact with the public does, because apparently it’s fine for them to vet themselves https://t.co/6gpPWIZY4W

— thierry ennui (@alexeptable) January 25, 2023

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 17:19 (one year ago) link

i didn't know that. unfuckingbelievable

Kieth Encounter (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 18:00 (one year ago) link

Some police officers came round to my friend's house after their downstairs neighbour died and they had to bust in. One officer took her housemate's number – she thought for official purposes. No, instead he texted her 'Hey, how are you?'

— Moya Lothian-McLean (@mlothianmclean) January 26, 2023

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 26 January 2023 10:44 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

The 363-page report condemns the force as institutionally racist, misogynist and homophobic. Staff routinely experience sexism, it adds. There are racist officers and staff, and a "deep-seated homophobia" in the organisation.

In London, Baroness Casey says policing by consent - the idea ordinary people trust the police to act honourably and be held accountable - is broken.

The report says leadership teams at the top of the Met have been in denial for decades, and there has been a systemic failure to root out discriminatory and bullying behaviour.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65015479

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 07:11 (one year ago) link

Guess what happens next?

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 08:41 (one year ago) link

First the inquiry, then the crime

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 10:52 (one year ago) link

Who'd have thought it, eh?

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 10:56 (one year ago) link

London Evening Standard crowing about how they're gonna put undercover officers to uncover bad behaviour in the met. Yeah, that'll do it.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 10:58 (one year ago) link

maybe there's a few good apples

satori enabler (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 11:30 (one year ago) link

There is always another view.

The influence of what sorry? pic.twitter.com/CvhJvC6qeU

— Tom Williams (@shirleymush) March 21, 2023

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 11:36 (one year ago) link

Fucking lunatic

piedro àlamodevar (wins), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 11:40 (one year ago) link

I'm sorry to say we won't be able to hold the Metropolitan Police Commissioner to account tonight for the Casey Report's findings of institutional racism, misogyny and homophobia because his press office have again excluded #C4News

— Krishnan Guru-Murthy (@krishgm) March 21, 2023

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 16:36 (one year ago) link

It's astonishing he's still in post.. the stuff he's been talking about as responses are such weak-piss penny-ante crap. He seems completely out to lunch!

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 17:44 (one year ago) link

almost wish khan hadn't finished cressida dick because she should be front and centre eating shit for this. except she would just brazen it out like she always does. then again if you were in charge of an operation where someone gets murdered and it doesn't so much as pause your rise to the top why would you ever expect consequences.

oscar bravo, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 20:43 (one year ago) link

The Irvo Otieno story is another example of how it isn’t just that police aren’t trained to be mental health workers, but people with mental health problems are despised and feared in the US. Truly sickening country

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 11:41 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Gotta make sure the dogs are ok while tear gassing humans ✨ pic.twitter.com/K8uRjxm0Vo

— Hannah Riley (@hannahcrileyy) November 13, 2023

(as seen in https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/at-emory-university-cops-are-using-a-sledgehammer-to-crack-a-nut/)

rob, Wednesday, 1 May 2024 13:11 (three weeks ago) link

#HAPPENINGNOW: An incredible scene and proud moment as we have assisted @CityCollegeNY in restoring order on campus, culminating in raising Old Glory once again on their campus flagpole. 🇺🇸@NYPDPC @NYPD1stDep @NYPDChiefOfDept @NYPDChiefPatrol @NYPDnews pic.twitter.com/XZWFmvXcUs

— NYPD Deputy Commissioner, Operations Kaz Daughtry (@NYPDDaughtry) May 1, 2024

rob, Wednesday, 1 May 2024 13:28 (three weeks ago) link

https://www.thestranger.com/cops/2024/05/02/79494412/investigation-finds-seattle-police-officer-violated-policy-by-using-racial-slur

it’s the attempted stolen valor of Australia that rankles the most

bae (sic), Friday, 3 May 2024 15:58 (two weeks ago) link

"I resent my dog" is pretty amazing

rob, Friday, 3 May 2024 16:17 (two weeks ago) link

i am on team "ACAB". it's a radical (though popular) political position - radical politics does get seen as very ideological and uncompromising, and i'm just not that ideologically motivated. i'm politically because it's the position that's most likely to benefit me and the people i care about. i haven't read like the conquest of bread or shit like that, i haven't read marx. i don't see why i'd need to read them, like, i'm living this shit, what the fuck do i care about what karl marx has to say about my material conditions? i pick up some of the jargon from memes and discord chats. i think the memes are funny. i guess some people could see that as superficial but honestly, so many of my most radical positions are just me saying things that seem completely fucking obvious. if someone needs someone to explain to them why capitalism is bad, that's not me. i will explain the most basic shit about my gender identity at length over and over again, but that's mostly because it's my autistic special interest.

what was i saying? right, so when i talk about cops, there is actually a great deal of compromise or i guess what the kids call "nuance" in there. i think some moderates look at "ACAB" people and think we want to guillotine all the cops and let maniacs with chainsaws run riot in the streets. that would make a pretty cool anime but it's not totally the life i want. like the ideas i have about justice and community aren't really compatible with "policing". no, i don't have a better alternative.

people who, in general, benefit from policing - them i can see why they wouldn't want the abolition of police. i mean to them i do have to appeal to some abstract ideal of justice, argue that the current system of "justice" is not equal and not equitable, and that it cannot be _made_ equal and equitable through piecemeal reforms. basically it's a _values-based_ argument.

Agree but the way the oppressive institution exerts its power is through individuals so in real life it's pretty impossible to keep those separate.

― Daniel_Rf

sure, if you look at it in an all-or-nothing sense. in practice, it's more complicated than that. i was talking to someone recently... i can't remember who or where. almost certainly a queer person. they were talking about a respected queer community member who did a lot of really good work and who, a long time ago, used to be a cop. they cover that up. in the queer community i'm in, being a cop is possibly worse than being an actual murderer. it's seen as something only Bad People do. and to me, like...

my cousin is a cop and I'm very embarrassed about it. shit happens I guess

― Colonel Poo

i mean i've seen memes that say "all cops are bastards, even your cousin" or whatever, and maybe? but i also don't care, it doesn't like, reflect on you as a person that your cousin is doing a Bad Thing. it's like to me it's the principle of _non-identification_. the question is if someone in your life does do something like that, what's the best way to behave in that situation? a queer person i know who i think well of says "i'm thinking of becoming a cop", i don't think it's practical to say "oh well you're a horrible person, why did i ever talk to you?" and some people would do that. i mean it's a decision i'm personally strongly opposed to, but it's their decision. thinking about doing something, talking about doing something, _wanting_ to do something, i mean, to me there's a pretty bright line between that and actually doing it.

this lesbian cop i know. i mean i'm not gonna go out and denounce her to the community as being terrible because she's a cop. i'm going to listen to her, listen to her talk about the hatred she gets, and i'm not gonna tell her that you know what, maybe she deserves that, because what good does it do for me to say that? like yeah i got my beliefs but it's her fucking life. what i am gonna do is i'm gonna not get too close to her. i'm not gonna date a fucking cop! i kinda love, there's actually a whole song in the musical "fiorello!" where one of the characters is agonizing about how terrible it is that she's fallen for a cop. i mean, that's fucking relatable to me.

like the other thing is there's this whole question of what _is_ a cop. professionally, my career involves investigating health insurance fraud.

am i personally violating any of my moral principles by doing my job? nah. what i'm doing personally is good. systemically, is what i'm doing "good"? fuck no. i'm working for a private health insurance company affiliated with a transphobic religious organization. yeah i fucking hate that. professionally, i go to meetings where the FBI are there. i go to conferences and half of the sessions are presented by ex-cops and man i fucking _hate_ that. i've stopped going to those conferences, because i don't fucking want to get my CEUs by listening to some fucking cop. i could quit, i guess. i haven't quit. i'm not fully living my values, my principles, by continuing to work for that company.

i make compromises. i make compromises and i live with the consequences. how do i sleep at night? terribly. awful nightmares. would i sleep better if i quit my job? i doubt it.

Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 12 May 2024 21:37 (one week ago) link


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