Pauline Kael

I do!

That was fun. Despite my many curmudgeonly caveats, I feel a little sorry for the people on this thread: This is the thread for ILXors who have never met any other ILXors in person

Although to this day I still feel a little guilty that I talked Laurel out of the correct answer to one question because I didn't know Khufu and Cheops were the same guy.

http://www.gonemovies.com/WWW/XsFilms/SnelPlaatjes/Birthdemarestwilliam.jpg
Positively the same guy!

I saw Demarest in a Vitaphone short the other day where he does the same pratfall he did 15 years later in every Sturges film.

"Lemme aks you a hypothermical question...."

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Although perhaps you've grown weary of my William Demarest/Ambrose "Muggsy" Murgatroyd obsession as well.

"So long, Lulu. I'll send you a postcard."

i'm an Officer Kockenlocker fan

That bit were he keeps turning his back in the jail cell trying to hint to Eddie Bracken how to escape is classic- "So if I did this- do you get me?"

If only I could remember what he orders for breakfast on the ship.

"Give me a spoonful of milk, a raw pigeon's egg and four houseflies."

the ale that won for Yale. Ra-ra.

They don't want nothin' else.

a lot of 'raising kane' is basically just made up. andrew sarris's response-essay is a good takedown.

that's true. Peter Lorre played a bald guy, so it's a ripoff!

hey here's PK speaking in berkeley in 1968 (not sure if this talk was ever transcribed or published anywhere)

https://archive.org/details/FilmSinceWorldWarTwo-PaulineKael1968

I need this. My bf says I don't.

http://www.zazzle.com/pauline_kael_t_shirts-235070180399309631

Your bf is wrong.

I know I should just be happy this exists, but I wish it looked better--wish it had her picture, for one thing. A friend bought me the Scorsese T-shirt from that director series a few years back, which had similar lettering. I wish she'd gotten me the Bela Tarr one instead, rendered like Black Flag.

wish it had her picture, for one thing

We REALLY don't agree on aesthetics much, do we?

Sometimes; not often. It's more the font I don't like. But I think Kael had a great face; I'd enjoy having one person after another ask me who the woman is.

http://members.tripod.com/phildellio/kael.gif

?! That font is hottt. Best of all her book covers, really.

You know, I completely missed that that indeed is her font--I was thinking it was taken from a metal band, like my Scorsese T-shirt. Okay, I'll meet you halfway: picture plus a different font. I'm a '70s guy, so I'd like some lowercase bubble letters.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-M3mmFJxT20o/TqxveGjft9I/AAAAAAAAMP4/CFkOHO7Cr-g/s400/317904.jpg

ok, i'm sick of her.

Get better: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/24/movies/homevideo/new-dvds-wheeler-and-woolseys-rko-comedy-classics.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

heh! actually, aside from one or two -- Hips Hips Hooray, Diplomaniacs -- Bert & Bob's movies are all p much the same, and don't bear rewatching. But thx, honeybunch.

Redford knows why she hated him:

http://www.esquire.com/features/robert-redford-interview-0413-2

I like and agree with the Woody Allen line.

Kael was also bitch enough

o rlly

man i love that the actors who seem most bitter about kael are redford and streep - two people who really got held back

esquire natch. love many redford films but he was basically a blond gregory peck who needed to work alongside a more talented, fun actor (newman, hoffman, fonda) to show any kind of spark.

Ouch. You might be right though. Some of his directorial work OK maybe.

well croup, you don't read interviews with actors who were held back.

what failed actors who were held back by a negative kael review are you thinking of

How would I know? She skewered Kevin Costner pretty thoroughly, and look at him now...

Redford has a sort of spark in The Candidate, but I guess Peter Boyle is Mr Fun in that?

yeah. i've never seen the way we were, how is he in that. possibility exists in my mind he might not measure up to ryan o'neal.

what failed actors who were held back by a negative kael review are you thinking of

― da croupier, Monday, April 29, 2013 9:10 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

morbs was saying your comment was colored by selection bias

I've liked Redford in The Candidate, ATPM, Brubaker, and (lol) Legal Eagles, where he kinda loosened up and said fuck it I'm a movie star goddamnit (same with Sneakers).

Legal Eagles? Really?

the character is kind of a zero (unless yer a nice Jewish girl who adores WASPs maybe). It's centered on Barbra.

xxxp

morbs was saying your comment was colored by selection bias
dacroupier's fallacy

I liked Legal Eagles too! didn't Winger loosen him up?

I think you guys are underestimatiing him a little. Imagine 3 Days of the Condor with Tom Cruise instead.

(very low whisper) I remember him being kind of amusing in Barefoot in the Park.

LE is fun trash.

Quiz Show preserves his WASP-ish conflicts better than his acting choices.

Brad Pitt's becoming more interesting to watch now that he's not so damn hung up on perceptions about his looks (which like Redford's are nothing special to me).

I thought Redford was fun in The Sting, but I've never gotten particularly attached to him in any way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NVf-9cgrAE

i mean yeah people who still get interviewed are more likely to get to give their two cents about a critic who didn't like them, but I don't think the degree of their desire to not just dismiss but disqualify her opinion of them is any less ironic for it. I've read a lot of anecdotes about Pauline Kael positive and negative and theirs really stand out.

I don't think it's a coincidence that these are two people who haven't really had to deal with a lot of slings and arrows

clem i repped for barefoot in the park above sorta. never saw legal eagles, daryl hannah repelled more than debra winger could attract me. HUGE sneakers fan but man talk about more talented, fun costars. i probably am underrating him (may be working out something, butch and sundance is my dad's favorite movie)(redford's a better actor than katharine ross fwiw), he's better than gregory peck not as good as say brad pitt. i'd put him slightly over cruise but no way in hell am i watching that iraq war movie they made to test my ranking.

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i always thought redford had more going for him than PK let on. not an all-time great but the guy's likable