counting on people voting aspirationally. people love a success story. what was obama? a lawyer from a broken home? romney is a successful businessman. nuff said
― dell (del), Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:07 (eleven years ago) link
i think you're reading leftist critique as romney's own pov. this is all conjecture + conventional wisdom, but it scans okay to me: he's an ambitious dude who wants more than anything to be president. his advisors told him that at this stage in the game obama is going to stomp him. he needs a bold choice. right-wingers seem to love ryan (tho i'm skeptical about his actual reach w/ rl voters who don't post on FR or read blogs), and maybe it's a shocking enough pick (it's not) to take focus off bain + taxes. romney took their advice. he doesn't give a shit about ryan's economic beliefs, just about whether ryan can get voters to the polls (and maybe if he'll give romney political cover if they lose).
― Mordy, Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:08 (eleven years ago) link
What are you going to do if McCain wins?
― buzza, Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:11 (eleven years ago) link
(and maybe if he'll give romney political cover if they lose).
ok, that does make sense. very cynical post-palin debacle entry in the playbook
― dell (del), Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:15 (eleven years ago) link
Acc. to 538, McCain isn't gonna win. So I don't know what people are worried about. Apparently no one has come back from a deficit in the polls this big this late in the game? Except, like, the Giants beat the Patriots last year. So I guess all bets are off.
― Mordy, Monday, September 29, 2008 12:16 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark
LULZ
― Mordy, Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:18 (eleven years ago) link
giants beat the patriots again & i bet that still won't have any impact on the race
― Mordy, Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:19 (eleven years ago) link
<3 eli manning but ugh those games
― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:22 (eleven years ago) link
This Slate article definitely makes the case the Ryan reinvigorates Romney's campaign a bit:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/08/ryan_vp_pick_romney_s_choice_makes_both_conservatives_and_democrats_happy_who_will_be_disappointed_.html
But is an unapologetic conservative as VP really going to help Romney get voters in potential swing states? Doubtful.
― Confounded, Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:25 (eleven years ago) link
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/11/a-risky-rationale-behind-romneys-choice-of-ryan/#more-33035
Evidently, it did not do that. The ability to perform an honest self-assessment is rare for all of us. Mr. Romney, in making this outlook, may have been aided by his background in seeking to turn around distressed companies...Taking risks like these is not what you do if you think you have a winning hand already. But Mr. Romney, the turnaround artist, decided that he needed to turn around his own campaign.
Taking risks like these is not what you do if you think you have a winning hand already. But Mr. Romney, the turnaround artist, decided that he needed to turn around his own campaign.
Also, let's remember that the way Romney profitably turned around companies was by liquidating their assets, bleeding them dry, and then leaving them to die while he made off with the loot. Maybe he picked Ryan because he knew it would turn on hardcore right-wingers who would fill his coffers w/ plunder and then in the dust + smoke of a losing campaign and staggering shocked party, he'll slip out the back door.
― Mordy, Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:29 (eleven years ago) link
were they kidding with that music when he came out or what?! sounds like something off Team America.
― piscesx, Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:37 (eleven years ago) link
Predict the electoral vote of the US Presidential Election
― buzza, Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:39 (eleven years ago) link
Also this will likely make you feel better: http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/106035/picking-ryan-isnt-bold-its-highly-risk-averse
― Mordy, Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:43 (eleven years ago) link
i think if nate had been around in 2004 we would've known
― Mordy, Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:44 (eleven years ago) link
Mordy, I think you are giving people far too much credit, and assuming that they sit there carefully weighing out the presumed benefits and liabilities from respective candidates and then making an "informed choice"
The frothing levels of racism and ignorance throughout the country are not something that you are going to encounter taking an informal poll at your neighborhood synagogue
Plus of course people feel so beaten up by the economy that their minds revert to primitive psychological states. If you're looking for a father figure to step into the role of the king who will save us, and if you follow a messianic religion to begin with, then of course you will bypass rationality in favor of glomming onto everything romney advertises as being
Otherwise you are voting for the guy who hasn't done anything particularly dramatic during his campaign (killing Osama bin Laden was no D-Day or Super Bowl moment... among other things it was too "elitist" and dry of an operation, not to mention anti-climactic, for people to properly rally behind in a ticker-tape parade kind of way)
People are looking for boldness and dramatic sweeping acts. There's certainly a lot of stuff I resent about what Obama has done or failed to do, but he is too dignified to make the sort of crass gestures or pander in the way that Romney-Ryan will over the next several weeks. Hence my fear
― dell (del), Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:49 (eleven years ago) link
I think crass, pandering gestures are basically outside the very limited supply of social skills Romney has managed to acquire for this campaign. Really don't see him being able to pull it off.
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:52 (eleven years ago) link
del, turn your attention to something more important, like finding me a place where I can watch the World Series online now that MLB caught on to Chanfeed.
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:52 (eleven years ago) link
also, if they get elected, the Dems can just block everything REALLY awful like they always do, riiiiight?
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:54 (eleven years ago) link
lol, god willing
also: http://www.thefirstrow.eu/sport/baseball.html
― dell (del), Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:54 (eleven years ago) link
have you looked at the polls?
romney is not popular. who likes a success story when it begins with the person being already rich?
― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:54 (eleven years ago) link
Killing Osama bin Laden was bold, decisive, + momentous. And Obama is crass as any politician, he's just a talented politician. Romney is really bad at being a politician. Ppl on both sides of political spectrum intuitively grasp that he's an empty suit - that's why he had to pick Ryan, to signal to the right-wing that he is really one of them and not just an opportunist.
― Mordy, Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:56 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know, guys. In the past 12 hours or so I have somehow managed to convince myself that Romney-Ryan are going to win.
I think that ever since Reagan people haven eaten up a many times-over distorted version of the Horatio Alger myth. Obama is certainly savvy and yes i supposed even crass in given moments, but he will never garner the popular appeal of a Romney. Because. Populism is the reverse of what it was 100 or so years ago due to somewhere during the Reagan years the democrats and their sympathizers adopting an increasingly quietistic attitude, while somehow the right have become increasingly cynical w/r/t their media presence, increasingly not ashamed to be shrill, increasingly not embarrassed to play to the lowest common denominator
Clinton was able to take office mostly b/c he ended up running against two successive candidates who were severely charisma-impaired. clinton was ridiculously charismatic. whatever mojo obama enjoys is actually lost in the present climate. people want to look up to someone who will repeat a bootstraps mythos, "all is well with capitalism in its present form" a la romney. they don't want to hear about compromise or reality in any of its forms. hearing the keywords "prosperity" is enough. that sounds like a painfully simplistic analysis, and granted i am a painfully simplistic unnuanced guy, but i know of what i speak of. president romney is a given. the real question is survival strategies three or four years down the road
― dell (del), Sunday, 12 August 2012 00:13 (eleven years ago) link
I think you're overreacting just a bit here. If people responded to rich candidates that way, we'd have had a President Steve Forbes by now. Romney is hardly a Horatio Alger story,
― o. nate, Sunday, 12 August 2012 00:47 (eleven years ago) link
Romney and his people know how to couch the mythology in the right terms. and romney has the unrelenting ambition. and looks "presidential". forbes and others didn't have that going for them
― dell (del), Sunday, 12 August 2012 00:51 (eleven years ago) link
of course he is far from a horatio alger story but he knows how to present his story in a way that eliminates any ignoble details
― dell (del), Sunday, 12 August 2012 00:53 (eleven years ago) link
I dunno. I was pretty convinced Romney was going to lose as of yesterday, and Ryan doesn't seem to me the kind of VP pick who's going to move the needle. It's possible the economy could fall in the toilet between now and November, but it seems more likely to me that it's going to continue slowly gaining steam, housing prices will slowly tick up, etc. Things are better now that they were a year ago. I think most voters probably feel like the economy is moving in the right direction, if a bit more slowly than they'd like.
― o. nate, Sunday, 12 August 2012 01:00 (eleven years ago) link
i hope so. and granted i am being somewhat trolly. but i honestly got scared today b/c i think that as horrible as ryan is there is a majority of ppl who would turn out to the polls who don't care or genuinely are into him. so i am scared and genuinely disheartened by romney's bluff or whatever it is. if he had picked a less obnoxious person then i would feel like there was hope for this country.
― dell (del), Sunday, 12 August 2012 01:04 (eleven years ago) link
it's just such a "fuck you", i don't even know how to read it otherwise. :(
― dell (del), Sunday, 12 August 2012 01:05 (eleven years ago) link
romney believes in nothing including giving u a fuck you
― Mordy, Sunday, 12 August 2012 01:06 (eleven years ago) link
Romney basically had no choice. Ryan isn't going to boost his appeal at all, but I could see a Pawlenty or Portman actually driving it down further.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 12 August 2012 01:07 (eleven years ago) link
― dell (del), Saturday, August 11, 2012 8:53 PM Bookmark
Have you seen this guy? Are we talking about the same Mitt Romney? He sucks at presenting his story in a way that eliminates any ignoble details - - - hence this entire tax kerfluffle. He doesn't know how to make stories go away, he doesn't know how to shift narratives, he doesn't know how to make lemonade out of lemons, anything.
Like, in my life I'm pretty well insulated from rich guys so maybe they all have this problem. The whole "lacking the 'common touch'" thing - I figured that was sorta bullshit, like, what exactly is a "common touch"? Well, whatever it is, Romney definitely doesn't have one. I honestly feel kind of bad for the guy at this point, he's so totally awkward and bad at everything that's involved in campaigning. At least Bush I sort of seemed like a genuine nerdy rich guy and Bush II like a genuine fratty jackass rich guy.
I can't figure out how he ever won elected office in Massachusetts. I did see one story that mentioned in his old campaigns he would talk about his Mormon faith in an effort to educate people about what his church is about and that they're not a creepy cult or whatever. Politics aside, I could imagine voting for that - even if it backfired, it seems like something a, you know, human being, who earnestly cares about certain things, would do. The effort to make himself a streamlined, doesn't-offend-anybody Republican has made him uneasy in his own skin.
Remember, this is the guy who won his nomination by being the presumptive fallback after everybody that any segment of the Republican electorate actually, actively liked was proven to not animate enough of that base. If he could actually excite people, he would have locked the thing up way back at the beginning.
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 12 August 2012 01:15 (eleven years ago) link
xpost
yeah.
it's just so sad to me. because. as someone who was creeped out by having to say the pledge of allegiance as a kid i still feel like america is such an amazing country on so many levels. i complain about it all the time to myself and feel resentful, but it really is, and could be such an amazing inspirational place. i still feel grateful i was born here, even though i have very little respect for ongoing patriotic tropes
anway i guess the gwb years were just that demoralizing that it's tough to recover from that sense that everything is fucked forever
i dunno. maybe in 15-20 years or so things will finally turn around. or romney actually will win, and things will get dystopic so quickly for such a huge segment of the population that things will inevitably turn around.
― dell (del), Sunday, 12 August 2012 01:17 (eleven years ago) link
it's tough to recover from that sense that everything is fucked forever
Don't bother. It is.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 12 August 2012 01:18 (eleven years ago) link
will never happen, obama is a better republican than anyone the GOP has turned out in 30 years
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 12 August 2012 01:25 (eleven years ago) link
I can't figure out how he ever won elected office in Massachusetts.
Having watched him for a year now (I didn't pay too much attention to the Republican nomination in '08), completely agree; it's a mystery.
Remember, this is the guy who won his nomination by being the presumptive fallback after everybody that any segment of the Republican electorate actually, actively liked was proven to not animate enough of that base.
Yes, but more than that even, by absolutely eviscerating Gingrich and Santorum under an avalanche of money the minute they got close (not that doing so was especially difficult). I can't remember who said it--Wiegel, maybe--but I agree that there'll be an accepted view come out of the nomination process this year, that Romney had it locked up the whole way, that's just not true. Going into Michigan, there was a real chance that the whole thing was about to unravel on him.
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 August 2012 01:26 (eleven years ago) link
In 2002, Republican Acting Governor Jane Swift's administration was plagued by political missteps and personal scandals.[149] Many Republicans viewed her as a liability and considered her unable to win a general election.[153] Prominent party figures – as well as the White House – wanted Romney to run for governor,[151][154] and the opportunity appealed to him for its national visibility.[155] One poll taken at that time showed Republicans favoring Romney over Swift by more than 50 percentage points.[156] On March 19, 2002, Swift announced she would not seek her party's nomination, and hours later Romney declared his candidacy,[156] for which he would face no opposition in the primary.[157] In June 2002, the Massachusetts Democratic Party challenged Romney's eligibility to run for governor, noting that state law required seven years' consecutive residence and that Romney had filed his state tax returns as a Utah resident in 1999 and 2000.[158][159] In response, the Massachusetts State Ballot Law Commission unanimously ruled that he had maintained sufficient financial and personal ties to Massachusetts and was therefore an eligible candidate.[160] Romney again ran as a political outsider.[149] He played down his party affiliation,[152] saying he was "not a partisan Republican" but rather a "moderate" with "progressive" views.[161] He touted his private sector experience as qualifying him for addressing the state's fiscal problems[157] and stressed his ability to obtain federal funds for the state, giving his Olympics record as evidence.[141][144][162] He proposed to reorganize the state government while eliminating waste, fraud, and mismanagement.[152][163] The campaign was the first to use microtargeting techniques, in which fine-grained groups of voters were reached with narrowly tailored messaging.[164] To overcome the image that had damaged him in the 1994 Senate race – that of a wealthy corporate buyout specialist out of touch with the needs of regular people – a series of "work days" were staged throughout the campaign, in which Romney performed blue-collar jobs such as herding cows and baling hay, unloading a fishing boat, and hauling garbage.[163][165][166] Television ads highlighting the effort, as well as one portraying his family in gushing terms and showing him shirtless,[165] received a poor public response and contributed to his being behind his Democratic opponent, Massachusetts State Treasurer Shannon O'Brien, in polls as late as mid-October.[163][166] He rebounded with ads that accused O'Brien of being a failed watchdog for state pension fund losses in the stock market and that associated her husband, a former lobbyist, with the Enron scandal.[152][166] During the election he contributed over $6 million – a state record at the time – to the nearly $10 million raised for his campaign overall.[167][168] Romney was elected governor on November 5, 2002, with 50 percent of the vote to O'Brien's 45 percent.[
― scott seward, Sunday, 12 August 2012 01:30 (eleven years ago) link
so you know he had to sling a lot of mud and spend a LOT of money to win by 5%.
― scott seward, Sunday, 12 August 2012 01:31 (eleven years ago) link
Dr. Casino, yeah i know. In fact both Bushes were more sympathetic in their own ways when compared to Romney, even as blechh as they both were
and yeah i know romney was the guy that ended up looking better than herman cain or michelle bachmann or newt or whatever. even the staunchest of republican poltico talking heads dislike him. plus he's not a "real" christian which i'm sure doesn't help with so much of the christian far right (to say nothing of nominating a roman catholic running mate)
but, i feel like it's expecting the audience at home to research olympic athletes' statistics before settling in and betting on them or supporting them. people don't give a shit. they just want to have their prejudices confirmed.
i hate to be a cheeseball and quote charles bukowski, BUT, "A whole goddamned nation of assholes driving automobiles, eating, having babies, doing everything in the worst way possible, like voting for the presidential candidate who reminded them most of themselves" is not so far off?? people will vote based on personal projection, confirming their prejudices and fears. given that, and given the political climate in 2012 i'm thinking that there is definitely a majority who will happily vote for romney and can easily dismiss obama as being an egghead or whatever. forty years ago, the position the media occupied would have made a difference, but now people just take in whatever they want to hear.
― dell (del), Sunday, 12 August 2012 01:32 (eleven years ago) link
haha, prob most convincing post on this thread except possibly ned's
― dell (del), Sunday, 12 August 2012 01:33 (eleven years ago) link
a series of "work days" were staged throughout the campaign, in which Romney performed blue-collar jobs such as herding cows and baling hay, unloading a fishing boat, and hauling garbage.[163][165][166] Television ads highlighting the effort, as well as one portraying his family in gushing terms and showing him shirtless,[165] received a poor public response and contributed to his being behind his Democratic opponent,
omg this sounds so terrible. Obama should just run clips of these ads.
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 12 August 2012 01:47 (eleven years ago) link
@ dell - - I definitely hear where you're coming from there but I think you're undervaluing the way in which people's emotional, irrational instincts will lead them to dislike Romney because he also reminds them in tons of ways of people they personally hate. It's like Lumberg is running for President - nobody likes the dude in the suit who fires you and tries to make awkward chuckley jokes about it, they just don't. Especially in the current economic/emotional climate.
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 12 August 2012 01:48 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, i hope so. i just feel alarmed based on conversations with people i've had who think that if obama is re-elected will take away what little they have because he is so socialist. but somehow romney will propel them upwards at least a couple of tax brackets because initiative
― dell (del), Sunday, 12 August 2012 01:57 (eleven years ago) link
They're always going to think that. They'll either internalize their eventual failure and blame themselves and become bitter or weave conspiracy theories and blame others and become bitter. If that's the kind of pleasure they get out of existence, it won't be changed except by extreme circumstances and/or death.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 12 August 2012 02:01 (eleven years ago) link
America is a lousy country, but it had some promise 40+ years ago.
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 12 August 2012 03:11 (eleven years ago) link
Nostalgic for the Nixon years eh?
― "Pffft" --buddha (silby), Sunday, 12 August 2012 03:22 (eleven years ago) link
ned thanks i think someone was trying to tell me similar off-board and what you're saying rings true
dr morbius i hear you but give it 15 years or so and i think things will come back into swing. some stuff dies hard. people like you who are a little older than me, i don't know how you deal with it. really heartbreaking. i mean, yeah things have always been shit, but not quite this much?
― dell (del), Sunday, 12 August 2012 03:29 (eleven years ago) link
1964 and 1965 had their hopeful moments, tho I don't remember those years. August 9, 1974 too.
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 12 August 2012 03:32 (eleven years ago) link
i almost wish i didn't know you weren't oliver stone
― da croupier, Sunday, 12 August 2012 03:33 (eleven years ago) link
my pharmacopeia can't compete with his.
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 12 August 2012 03:41 (eleven years ago) link
how long until SNL starts up again? is hader going to play ryan?
― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 12 August 2012 03:51 (eleven years ago) link
A Salon subheadline:
A Romney win just got scarier -- he'd have a mandate and a partner determined to repeal the New Deal
You've got to be fucking shitting me. How much of the New Deal have Bubba, W, and Bam not dismantled?
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 12 August 2012 03:54 (eleven years ago) link
i think being pro life is pretty crazy period so
― max, Tuesday, 6 November 2012 17:02 (eleven years ago) link
sorry "pro-"life""
This came in the mail, how the labors union reaches out to votershttp://farm9.staticflickr.com/8481/8161517827_73790b3f53_z.jpghttp://farm9.staticflickr.com/8485/8161515947_1ea72f33e9_z.jpg
― JacobSanders, Tuesday, 6 November 2012 17:02 (eleven years ago) link
I vote for whoever wants to do away with the penny, but keep dollar bills. Whatever other luggage that's attached I just live with.
― pplains, Tuesday, 6 November 2012 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
otm
― GOOD LUCK USA! (lag∞n), Tuesday, 6 November 2012 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
haha '(two days after colorado shooting tragedy)'
― iatee, Tuesday, 6 November 2012 17:04 (eleven years ago) link
Our union has a problem of members voting for republicans because they think Obama will take their guns. And other moral issues.
― JacobSanders, Tuesday, 6 November 2012 17:05 (eleven years ago) link
lol "two days after colorado shooting tragedy"
xposts!
― crüt, Tuesday, 6 November 2012 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
obama loves guns so much that he just doubles down after a massacre and loves guns even more than he did before
― iatee, Tuesday, 6 November 2012 17:27 (eleven years ago) link
Sidenote: I Kinda wish Bruce would play "4th of July Asbury Park (Sandy)."
― Ye Mad Puffin, Tuesday, 6 November 2012 17:52 (eleven years ago) link
max the euthanasia dispensaaaaaaaaa
― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 November 2012 17:58 (eleven years ago) link
hes a better explainer of his process/results is basically what it comes down to imho
― GOOD LUCK USA! (lag∞n), Tuesday, November 6, 2012 4:45 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah he doesn't necessarily have 'better numbers' but he is good at getting people to understand what matters
― iatee, Tuesday, November 6, 2012 4:46 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm. (not to say the 2010 uk prediction wasn't embarrassingly bad.)
― caek, Tuesday, 6 November 2012 23:30 (eleven years ago) link
you can't expect his shit to work in a country run by a queen
― iatee, Tuesday, 6 November 2012 23:37 (eleven years ago) link
Scared
― ut's nutta bull, ut's a *romanda* (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 November 2012 06:51 (eleven years ago) link
There there gentle leprechaun.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 November 2012 06:52 (eleven years ago) link
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― Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Wednesday, 7 November 2012 06:53 (eleven years ago) link
del I would like to reassure you that romney will definitely not win
― CGI fridays (Edward III), Wednesday, 7 November 2012 06:53 (eleven years ago) link
does same
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 7 November 2012 06:56 (eleven years ago) link
feeling p confident
― GOOD LUCK USA! (lag∞n), Wednesday, 7 November 2012 07:09 (eleven years ago) link
LOCK THREAD.
― ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Wednesday, 7 November 2012 07:22 (eleven years ago) link
nah it should be converted to a temple for republican schadenfreude
― CGI fridays (Edward III), Wednesday, 7 November 2012 08:06 (eleven years ago) link
LDS temple?
― ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Wednesday, 7 November 2012 08:19 (eleven years ago) link
Feeling cautiously optimistic about this.
― All hail President Optoisolator (jjjusten), Wednesday, 7 November 2012 08:31 (eleven years ago) link
Ha
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 7 November 2012 11:35 (eleven years ago) link
This will surprise me.
― Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Wednesday, 7 November 2012 12:18 (eleven years ago) link
I'm still scared, guys. Mitt + chloroform-soaked rag + Obama mask. Think about it.
― Come Into My Layer (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 7 November 2012 13:01 (eleven years ago) link
I am beginning to become scared that Ryan/Rubio will win. Can smart people please post here and say reassuring things to convince me that he won't?
― pplains, Wednesday, 7 November 2012 15:05 (eleven years ago) link
Dude, of course they could win. If you're already thinking they WILL win you've already given up. Relax.
― Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Wednesday, 7 November 2012 15:06 (eleven years ago) link
71.6% Hillary wins acc to Nate: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/
― sug ones (omar little), Wednesday, 7 November 2012 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
pretty good night for the senate
- went from joe lieberman to chris murphy in CT (moderate gain for good guys)- went from richard lugar to joe donnelly in IN (big gain for good guys)- went from olympia snowe to angus king in ME (probably a moderate gain for good guys)- went from president scott brown to elizabeth warren in MA (big gain for good guys)- went from ben nelson to deb fischer in NE (not so good but fuck ben nelson)
looks like the ND seat is still up in the air and i don't know much about the other intra-party seat changes
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 7 November 2012 15:52 (eleven years ago) link
lol wrong thred
ben nelson was the final vote for Obamacare
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 7 November 2012 15:52 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/07/politics/mitt-romney-black-lives-matter-protest/index.html
― pomenitul, Monday, 8 June 2020 02:58 (three years ago) link
Way to finally start catchin up to where yr fucken dad was fifty years ago, there, Mitt.
― Fun-Loving and Furry-Curious! (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 June 2020 03:53 (three years ago) link
no shock that so many Republican Congressmen were fratboys, since they routinely enjoy debasing themselves for others' approval
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Monday, 8 June 2020 03:55 (three years ago) link