im about 30 pages into it and so far it seems very much the same
― Lamp, Saturday, 19 May 2012 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
oh good, i need to pick that up. i started reading WH all over again, cos it took me a while to adjust to the style and keep everyone straight, there's things i didn't pick up on the first time. the dialogue is so much fun, really tight, really revealing.
his son is such a dunce but so amiable and lovable. everything with mary boleyn is so heartbreaking.
there's something going on about motivation, the intersection of desire, the 'inner life' and ideology at the moment of formation -- all that stuff about protestantism and capital was being made during the course of these events. cromwell doesn't seem to know himself. iirc there are moments where he asks why he's doing all this and he doesn't really know, "what else is there but affairs?"
Lamp what do you mean by "unabashed and romantic"?
― goole, Saturday, 19 May 2012 15:54 (twelve years ago) link
this book is incredible
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 14:12 (eleven years ago) link
Am reading A Place of Greater Safety, the schtick is v v similar. Still great.
― Jesu swept (ledge), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
this is a cool way to learn abt history
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
I held onto this book for about a year from the library but couldn't get past the first page -- not that I outright hated it or anything, more just, "Hm, well, maybe later." Then someone just recalled it from me so...maybe later.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 15:24 (eleven years ago) link
I'm actually reading APoGS with a book on the french revolution in the other hand, to clarify as i go. It's not essential but it's a pretty big sweep of history, helps to have a bit of background knowledge. Don't think that was so much of a problem with Wolf Hall, sure I occasionally forgot who was who in the vast cast but the main plot was pretty specific & localised.
― Jesu swept (ledge), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
wikipedia.org
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 16:14 (eleven years ago) link
yeah yeah. i wanted more detail. fewer electrons.
― Jesu swept (ledge), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 16:16 (eleven years ago) link
ok bring up the bodies is in my possession
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 13:19 (eleven years ago) link
gotta finish this
― funny-skrillex-bee_132455836669.gif (s1ocki), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:32 (eleven years ago) link
i'm waiting for the new one to go into paperback
― goole, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:34 (eleven years ago) link
lagxxn tell me how it is
i wish theyd just put all books in paperback, hardcover is stupid
― max, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:36 (eleven years ago) link
^^^^
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:36 (eleven years ago) link
ya i cant recall the last time i bought a hardcover but i could not wait
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:56 (eleven years ago) link
hardcovers are awesome yr both dummies
― Lamp, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:57 (eleven years ago) link
but they r so giant and expensive
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:57 (eleven years ago) link
impossible to read on the train
― max, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:58 (eleven years ago) link
impossible to read because the words are so hard
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:59 (eleven years ago) link
hardcovers are great except when you move house twice in a month
― thomp, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 15:05 (eleven years ago) link
Hardcovers are great for architecture, art, and history books. P much useless for contemporary fiction though.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
that p much makes no sense
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 15:09 (eleven years ago) link
i like reading them on the train! paperbacks are too flimsy or perhaps i am just careless and rough but i like the reassuring weight of a hardcover novel in my bag as well, they are less fun to take on planes tho, too big.
i think 'bringing up the bodies' was really good but i always like the parts in stories where the hero has everything going p smoothly and is coming out on top and you can feel the sympathetic flush of success the defining sequence of the book i think is cromwell at home over christmas endlessly cajoling, directing, scheming, joking moving all these people into place with tireless good humor ceding his dead daughters wings to some other little girl, waiting
― Lamp, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 15:10 (eleven years ago) link
man i can't wait
― goole, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 15:12 (eleven years ago) link
the dialogue is just amazing in the first one. all his conversations with his sweet, dim (but not too dim) son are so funny and awkward
― goole, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 15:14 (eleven years ago) link
hardcovers of popular books very cheap thru' Amazon 2nd hand, got almost pristine Wolf Hall recently for <£3, will maybe read it come holiday.
― woof, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 15:14 (eleven years ago) link
Why not? I like hardcover books when they have lots of gorgeous pictures to look at and are typically formatted larger, I don't think they are necessary for most fiction. But thats just my personal preference. FWIW, 98% of the fiction I read it in eBook format anyway.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 15:17 (eleven years ago) link
gross
― Lamp, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 15:28 (eleven years ago) link
i think 'bringing up the bodies' was really good but i always like the parts in stories where the hero has everything going p smoothly and is coming out on top and you can feel the sympathetic flush of success
― Lamp, Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:10 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol when more and gardiner where simultaneously marginalized i was so happy for him
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 15:30 (eleven years ago) link
i had a few physical correspondences that i couldn't shake
cromwell: al swearingenanne: sasha greyhenry: tim tebow (older)
― goole, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
lmao oh no
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 15:32 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i know
― goole, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
ahhhhhhh hahahahaha
― max, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
new one seem to be written in a somewhat simpler lighter mode, maybe to reflect cromwells ascension, or maybe by accident, or maybe im imagining it, anyway im gonna miss this guy when there are no more books left
― lag∞n, Monday, 30 July 2012 16:35 (eleven years ago) link
my only complaint is it wasnt nearly as long as wolf hall
― lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:45 (eleven years ago) link
well maybe and the third one doesnt exist yet
― lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:46 (eleven years ago) link
i need a new book for traveling this weekend, is this it? is the writing really great?
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Monday, 13 August 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
yes
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 05:07 (eleven years ago) link
haha when i finished 'bringing up the bodies' i immediately read the wikipedia summaries of any character i vaguely cared about
― Lamp, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 05:17 (eleven years ago) link
hah I have purposely not spolierized myself which is p lol for a historical novel
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 05:19 (eleven years ago) link
ok i'm about 1/4 through this and i'm all in.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Friday, 24 August 2012 15:19 (eleven years ago) link
damn I really want to read this now
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 24 August 2012 15:40 (eleven years ago) link
mantel profile http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/10/15/121015fa_fact_macfarquhar?currentPage=all
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 06:51 (eleven years ago) link
Remarkable profile. Unusually bold style for the New Yorker.
― Get wolves (DL), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 09:03 (eleven years ago) link
and another booker prize
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:41 (eleven years ago) link
I'm actually reading APoGS with a book on the french revolution in the other hand, to clarify as i go. ― Jesu swept (ledge), Wednesday, June 6, 2012 4:10 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
doing the same w/wolf hall & wikipedia
this book is brilliant
― MVP ("most viking poster") 2012 (cozen), Sunday, 21 October 2012 13:29 (eleven years ago) link
paperback of sequel not due till april 2013 wtf /gettingaheadofmyself
― MVP ("most viking poster") 2012 (cozen), Sunday, 21 October 2012 13:30 (eleven years ago) link
i've had this on my 'list:read/sublist:probably won't read' for a while but based on the enthusiasm here i'm gonna bump it up.
― Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 21 October 2012 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
is it historical fiction like the da vinci code or like the holocaust?
oh and Peter Wilson's The Thirty Years War: Europe’s Tragedy is a great read on the fallout
― School of RAAC (Noodle Vague), Friday, 8 September 2023 07:01 (eight months ago) link
cf also ilxor max's finest ilx hour: the thirty years war
― mark s, Friday, 8 September 2023 10:08 (eight months ago) link
thanks everyone!!
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 September 2023 14:37 (eight months ago) link
Seconding Diarmaid MacCulloch's The Reformation, I just started it yesterday to complement Wolf Hall. It’s thorough but isn’t impenetrable, and clearly explained some of the theological differences that I couldn’t grasp from reading Wikipedia alone.
This page also recommends London and the Reformation: "This book tells the story of the Reformation in London. It covers a longer period than the 1530s, but gives a good sense of what was happening on the ground and the intense divisions in society that the Reformation provoked. You can read about the high politics of the period in the other four books. This book will give you a sense of how decisions at the top played out on the street." I haven’t read it, though, so can’t vouch for it.
― blatherskite, Friday, 8 September 2023 14:59 (eight months ago) link
Some good In Our Time episodes, as you can imagine
The Diet of Wormshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0038x8z
Calvinismhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00qvqpz
The Siege of Munsterhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00nkqrv
The Dissolution of the Monasterieshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b009jtq1
St Bartholomew's Day Massacrehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p005493t
The Covenantershttps://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000g3f6
The Book of Common Prayerhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03ct4n4
George Fox and the Quakershttps://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01f67y4
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 8 September 2023 17:05 (eight months ago) link
ooh nice one - thanks for these!!
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 September 2023 17:06 (eight months ago) link
the diet of worms is the best-named thing which is actually something utterly different
unlike the erfurst latrine disaster, which is exactly what it sounds like :|
― mark s, Friday, 8 September 2023 17:07 (eight months ago) link
Diet of Worms (name-wise) still v funny to me
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 September 2023 17:08 (eight months ago) link
lol jinx
mm DEE YET of VERMS yeah look no one is going to call it that
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 September 2023 17:09 (eight months ago) link
also this programme from Beyond Belief on Luther - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/b086nzhk
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 8 September 2023 17:11 (eight months ago) link
Thanks, all. I checked MacCulloch's All Things Made New: Writings on the Reformation out of the library.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 September 2023 18:16 (eight months ago) link
that Beyond Belief convo was good, thx for that!
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 September 2023 18:38 (eight months ago) link
The Schama 'History of Britain' series comes with the usual Schama caveats but the Reformation episode is good: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0074l1q
Diarmid MacCulloch's BBC series on the history of Christianity was good. The Reformation episode is here: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x76hxnf
― Slays two. Found gassed. Thinks of cat. (Chinaski), Friday, 8 September 2023 19:51 (eight months ago) link
enjoying the In Our Time convos i always am amused by how he doesn’t let guests waffle on when they clearly want to and then they try to poke in w extra waffling & he cuts them off or talks over them (feel sorry for them sometimes lol)
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 September 2023 23:12 (eight months ago) link
y'know i have a ton of Melvyn Bragg grudges but In Our Time is usually pretty great
― School of RAAC (Noodle Vague), Friday, 8 September 2023 23:15 (eight months ago) link
the podcast is nice because you get that extra 5 minutes at the end where the producer asks if anyone wants any tea and the guests get to circle back to their foreshortened waffleage
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 8 September 2023 23:26 (eight months ago) link
that diarmid macculloch series is really good, it's true Chinaski!
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 8 September 2023 23:27 (eight months ago) link
that sounds like the sweet antithesis of when i have to watch camera people wank on about hiding up a tree at the end of modern nature docs
― School of RAAC (Noodle Vague), Friday, 8 September 2023 23:28 (eight months ago) link
have i done Bragg = Ken Barlow yet on ilx
anyways Ken Barlow is a satirical portrait of Melvyn, for better and worse
― School of RAAC (Noodle Vague), Friday, 8 September 2023 23:29 (eight months ago) link
i subscribed to In Our Time a few years back, but deleted it & this is a solid reminder to get back in also i enjoy the occasional background cough on mic, or best is the ~audible sigh~ from a guest waiting to speak
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 September 2023 23:41 (eight months ago) link
those studios have "cough buttons" on the table in front of the guests, who can push them whenever they need to cut their mic if their feel a cough coming on, but not everyone remembers to do it. academics often aren't the nimblest broadcasters
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 8 September 2023 23:46 (eight months ago) link
and yeah even if they do use the button, it is picked up in the background - just not as loud
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 8 September 2023 23:47 (eight months ago) link
i find it enjoyable
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 September 2023 00:34 (eight months ago) link
to bring it back to Wolf Hall i know this may sound a little naive & perhaps even daft but it had never occurred to me until reading these books that common folk hadn’t had access to the scriptures to read for themselves until Luther & all these reformists & be-heathening happened. *also ironic that I didn’t know any of the protestant reformation history since i grew up Church Of England lol. all i ever knew was “Henry wanted to divorce his wife so he made a church” (which is also true)anyway
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 September 2023 00:52 (eight months ago) link
My dad was a Lutheran though he never went to church, and my mom was a Catholic who dragged me and my brother through the whole thing (first communion, confirmation, serving as altar boys, etc.). One day I asked Dad what the difference between Catholic church and Lutheran church was and he told me that in Lutheran church the Lord's Prayer went like this... blah blah blah... and there were only about two words difference between them. I did not exactly have a big breakthrough based on this new information.
― read-only (unperson), Saturday, 9 September 2023 02:13 (eight months ago) link
my mother in law was Catholic & we used to go to church together at Christmas i remember she was surprised that I knew the words to mass etc lolalso my first trip to the US i stayed with a devout Roman Catholic family, and i told mum on the phone “there’s crosses everywhere & they have a bottle of holy water in the house!” and she said “don’t tell them you’re Church Of England or they’ll burn you alive”
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 September 2023 02:27 (eight months ago) link
is there any word on the mirror and the light tv series eta? will it be this xmas?
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 19 September 2023 17:13 (eight months ago) link
wait so did they already do Bring Up The Bodies and I missed it?
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 19 September 2023 17:22 (eight months ago) link
the series "wolf hall" covers the first two books.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 19 September 2023 17:23 (eight months ago) link
apparently s3 was in preproduction in 2022 but i haven’t seen any updates lately
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 19 September 2023 17:28 (eight months ago) link
s2 sorry
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 19 September 2023 17:29 (eight months ago) link
theyre reshooting the ending after the first one screened badly with the focus group
― mark s, Tuesday, 19 September 2023 17:33 (eight months ago) link
tc goes to space
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 19 September 2023 17:59 (eight months ago) link
in the last page of Mirror he kind of does!the audiobook read by Ben Miles is great. i've never been one for those but I gave it a shot and now I think I'm spoiled on any other, it's a tremendous performance.
― goole, Wednesday, 20 March 2024 18:59 (two months ago) link