funky house sceptics, let me draw your attention to this

OK, I listened to this crap. Can I have the last eight minutes of my life back?

Please list reasons for crapness with citations and sources.

Yeah that was pretty awful. Something the DJ would spin VERY early in the evening while s/he's sorting through records and no one really wants to dance just yet. Polite house over martinis. And there are no dynamics to it; nothing slams into place. The vocals are bland. The lyrics are banal. And finally, it's not all that funky!

Now go record something good please.

needs a DJ Gregory dub

Yes but the loli-sex vocals and the socafied beats, you don't find that kind of different and kind of essentially london-ish somehow? I don't see how anyone could think this sounded like Hed Kandi or Naked or whatever...

i quite like the double-tap piano hook on this 'awful gay terrible house music'

It's more attenuated than the Hed Kandi norm. But I bet it wouldn't prick up my ears if it was thrown on one of their comps. And I don't live in London so I can't comment on how different-yet-same it is.

I mean, I guess it's okaaaaaaaaaaay on a second listen. But definitely nothing to write home (or start a thread) about.

Yeah that piano hook is my favorite element. I'm trying to place the 1980s video game where I first heard it.

Right you know how people have started talking about a revitalised funky house scene in London, how exactly does this differ from the funky house scene that's been all over London for the last few years?

who's been saying it's revitalised?

it's whats upfront that counts

Why people gotta hate on Hed Kandi and Naked???

I like this quite a bit, though it's not the best funky house (in the strict london '08 sense) tune I've heard. I like that the genre is increasingly coalescing around that post "Cure & The Cause" sound but with a stronger Carribean influence - I'm hoping it becomes even more syncopated. Funny how bassline and funky house have so cleanly split speed garage influences between them.

Secret prescient and lost funky house tune before the fact: Mis-Teeq's "Eye Candy".

Pleasant enough but I agree the lyrics and vocal hooks could be stronger, although the singing itself is fine. The worst thing for me is I don't like the piano and snare sounds they've used, especially the piano (something about its tone grates with me).

Why people gotta hate on Hed Kandi and Naked???

-- Spencer Chow, Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:48 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Link

spencer otm

i still think kjb opinions4u are the worst

oh and what do u know hes wrong, this is dope

also is "lol this is polite house" the lamest critique or what. how could that not describe 90% of that dixon mix he loves??

One thing that's important to note is that UK equivalents of vocal house, esp. in the post-speed garage tradition, have never been interested in lyrical profundity or vocal power in the way that the US tradition has been. There's very few stirring diva performances - most of it is more focused on how very simple vocal phrases are situated in the mix. So people looking for good "songs" from this genre will inevitably be disappointed. But, you know, Dem 2's "Destiny" didn't need to be a "good song" to be fabulous, and nor does this stuff.

Blackdown had a great little bit on the lyrics to this track on his blog.

But Dem 2's "Destiny" was indeed fabulous whereas this...just isn't.

"good" point

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Yamaha_DJX.jpg/800px-Yamaha_DJX.jpg

I'm hoping it becomes even more syncopated

and in addition to that overly obnoxious gear snob post I just made can I just throw in another old jackoff opinion that if this track is what counts for "syncopated" in dance music in 2008 then I would also LOVE to hear what "more syncopated" means

perhaps it will include a BASS DURMP on the OFFBEATIES

Tombot did you want a serious answer?

I'm honestly a little surprised the snare on the offbeat of 2 still counts for anything, I guess. I've always thought it was just obnoxious outside of jungle/dnb

I would go into my usual spiel about that particular rhythm, but even I'm bored of it.

Anyway, fuck the hataz, this is hot.

Well it's not like "wow this is the most syncopated music ever", but it's more syncopated than mainstream house, speed garage or bassline, let's put it that way. Given the hyper-stiffness of bassline in particular, it's interesting to see the syncopation/carribean vibe of this stuff emerging as its point of distinction from "funky house" in the broad sense.

When I say "more syncopated" I'm thinking of 2001-era soca-beat 2-step basically - see stuff like TJ Cases's "One By One", or Bump & Flex dub mixes from that period.

Not so much this track, but other Crazy Cousinz tracks strike me as verging on broken beat - esp. the broken beat-like vocal housey tracks Zed Bias was making circa 2002.

Actually there's a kind of back-to-early-2002 feel across the whole post-UK Garage spectrum, e.g.

- "Wearing My Rolex" sounds a bit like "Rush The DJ", "Standard Flow" etc.

- Tectonic/Punch Drunk dubstep reviving the first Horsepower Productions album, 2562 reviving Zed Bias (in a different, "deeper", and more substantially syncopated way than funky house does).

- Bassline sounding like "Dutty", and also like El-Tuff remixes.

Of course early 2002 (as 2-step was losing its grip as the reigning sound, but before the fully-fledged emergence of grime) was the last time this cluster of styles was really not quite clear as to where it was going, so a return to this temporary impasse makes sense.

you don't find that kind of different and kind of essentially london-ish somehow?

Apart from the vocals this tune sound more like something coming out of the Spanish scene. Like this maybe.

you guys know a lot of stuff.

The Marcus Nasty funky house DJ set on DejaVu FM that Martin Clark talks about and links to here is sick.

There's a track in the first section that actually sounds 95% of the way to my dreams for the genre, halfway between TJ Cases' "One By One" and Davinche's old 'R&G' productions ("Leave Me Alone", "Mr. DJ" etc.). But the whole thing is really exciting and vibey feeling.

Martin's right as well when he says that this stuff sounds more exciting with MCs chatting over the top.

I cannot stop listening to this Marcus Nasty set. If you've wondering how on earth "funky house" can form it's own distinct genre you've gotta check it, I've never heard a house set that captures this specific vibe. It's really making me flash back to 2-step in the best possible way (i.e. the feel rather than the specific sound).

this is great but is there a reason it starts with track 2 instead of track 1? why was the mix divided into trax anyway?

also can anyone find this kyla rmx on vinyl??

Finding any of this stuff for love or money seems impossible.

I guess the best way to get the tracks would to be get at the producer's individual Myspace accounts.

I really wish Apple would get something out I could buy.

"Bongo Jam" - song of the year???

"SOMETIMES I WAKE UP EARLY IN THE MORNING, TO PLAY MY CON-CON-CONGO!"

BTW Deej I think Marcus Nasty just uploaded enough of his set to fit onto a CD, hence the missing part one and the way it cuts off suddenly. No idea why it's split into parts.

I got to say that I think I prefer the kyla to "bongo jam" but anyways...

Re: buying records - Rinse are putting out a Supa D mix CD and the blurb that comes with it says this is the first time any of these are getting a release of any sort. The Kyla original (prod by paleface) is getting a rerelease on Ministry this year so they might put the Crazy Cousinz mix on that...

Jacob "Bongo Jam" sounds fairly pasty on myspace, on marcus nasty's mix it sounds awesome. Mind you the Kyra track improves from myspace to mix by roughly the same margin.

Yeah I heard both on his mix too - and I completely agree. I just like the sexualness of the Kyla track which makes it the kind of song people will really get into in that leather shoes and designer shirts garage type environment. Every time I hear it I can really picture that scene, although the picture in my head probably has way too much moschino for it to be relevant to 2008. Bongo Jam straddles a line between goofiness, seriousness and Manu Chao that makes it totally dependent on mix context to work. No bad thing that, but I can see it sounding horribly cheesy 90% of the time, especially on radio.

Ha that's true but, y'know, go goofiness!

I'm hoping to start seeing proper Caribbean crossover stuff soon. I wonder if the ragga-ish version of "Calabria" is big in this scene.

stelfox tipped me to "bongo man," and it's currently blowing my mind. i do think it's hilarious how close it comes in sound and feel to villalobos' remix of the horrorist's "one night in nyc"!

Two more recommendations:

1) Sticky - How Very Dare You
Yes, that Sticky! And this isn't too far from what he was doing circa 2002, great ridiculous diva vocals, huge bass drop, clattering breakbeaty rhythms. Not 4X4 at all but definitely "funky house". Love it.

1) Seany B - Stomper
This reminds me a bit of my beloved "Are You Really From The Ends (VIP Remix)" - stomping and insatiable as the title suggests. Very big 4X4 kick but with all these awesome bongo flutters and counter-rhythms.

myspace rip of 'bongo jam', if anyone's interested. produced by flukes of wifey riddim fame btw!

not really relevant to this thread but i'm liking sticky's 'i'm in love'. first song on his myspace. 'mr dj' was another one of his tunes more in the funky vein.

whoa "whole night" w/ shantie = A+++++++++++++++++++

oops i think it's called "do you mind"

"Who's gonna be that dancing king???"

Shantie is pretty amazing. He's so nimble and prissy!

"Too much war/Everywhere you go what you fightin' for?/I don't know/Back in the day man raves fi look wife/nowadays man a come rave fi take life/can't deal with it, the trouble and strife/formation that, left to the right!"

I would totally start using "formation that" myself if I didn't know I would sound ridiculous.

STICKY????????!!!!!!!!!!!
fucking finally!

now jamming: bongo jam

This flukes kid = big things

I think the last time an area of music so suddenly and completely emotionally/intellectually monopolized me was dancehall in 2003 and before that 2-step in 1999. (grime not so much only because it was harder to find totally hypnotic DJ sets etc.)

Tim, do you have the Supa D cd? Also been checking the Crazy cousinz sets on rinse? Surprisingly dull actually...

Agree re Supa D CD. Disagree re Crazi Cousinz mixes, at least the one I have heard which is great!

Increasingly hearing tracks that totally abandon 4X4, very much taking a leaf from Apple's books in terms of sounding more like soca X grime X old skool rave than actual house, highly syncopated but more uptempo and danceable than grime usually was. Some of the key producers here being Apple, Roska, Footloose, Fuzzy Logic...

Fingaprint's "Take Over" rides a straight syncopated dancehall rhythm, a move I can just feel is gonna become devastatingly popular.

A rather ostentatious example of the grime/funky crossover would be Skepta's "The Rolex Sweep" - there's really nothing about it that on paper would say it was funky more than grime - it just feels like grime.

There's a tune by Chunky Bizzle (formerly a grime producer) that sounds like Gant's "Sound Bwoy Burial" meets Sonz of a Loop Da Loop Era's "Far Out". Awesome stuff.

Apart from that, Tim's Funky Essentialz:

Crazi Cousinz - Bongo Jam
Geeneus - Yellow Tail
DJ NG ft. MC Versatile & Baby Katy - Tell Me
Apple - Mr Bean (and all the Bean related tunes)
Roska - Feeline (and the other tunes on his forthcoming 'The Climate Change' EP are massive)
Footloose - Hurry Up
Sticky - How Very Dare You
Seany B (formerly of More Fire Crew!) - Stomper
Kyla - Do You Mind (Crazi Cousinz Mix)
DJ Naughty - Quicktime
Benga & Coki - Night (Geeneus Remix)
Crazi Cousinz - Keep On Dancing
Fingaprint - The Print
Seany B - Make Your Move

so so happy about the return of sticky! i always thought "golly gosh" was practically a house track. his drums and synths always sound so much richer than other uk producers. it seems donaeo is also back, i know he was somewhat hated on ilm but i always had a soft spot for mr. fidgit. "devil in a blue dress" is excellent

i can't be the only one who would prefer an instrumental of "bongo jam" though? the vocal annoys the hell out of me!

can anyone tell me some recent non uk tracks that are getting played by funky house djs? "automatic" from the in the barbershop ep on ibadan seems tailor made to uk radio, it samples "1, 2 step"!

It should be noted that Tim has a great piece up on Idolator today:

http://idolator.com/391655/peering-through-the-front-door-of-funky-house

funky house sounds to me like what photek would have come up with if he'd continued the lines of the "solaris" album

thanks for the hyping Ned.

I came back onto this thread to say that I finally ID'd that bouncy track with the squiggy descending synth riff and organ interludes that comes after the (equally great) Marcus Nasty dubplate that begins the third section (called Track Four) of the main Marcus Nasty set:

Fuzzy Logik - Leader

yeah tim f that piece on idolator was great. i would've left a comment if i could.

http://www.myspace.com/youngoffendazuk

I'm not even sure if this funky house, there is a lot of 2-step, dubstep and grime in this.

Check out Young Offedaz ft MC Shocks - Excuse Me.

Its like one of those tidy 2-step MCs got all aggro, without losing the funk to some extent.

Theirs a chunk of breaks in this too, I've not heard so much crossover in awhile.

This Marcus Nasty mix is good. Really diverse sounds and beats, too. And this -- "this stuff sounds more exciting with MCs chatting over the top" -- is OTM (and Jamaican toasters have never been of much interest to me, but this MC chatting works, somehow). Thanks, Tim.

On one of the Marcus Nasty shows with Rankin and Shantie there's an amazing section where they're trading lines back and forth (I'll upload the individual section when I get a chance) and it sounds like the most exciting thing in the world.

Nice to hear Rankin again soon. I always loved his rap on the Dreem Teem remix of Amar's "Sometimes It Snows In April" - "There's no question of a doubt / I've checked all the ladies out / You're the finest thing that i've seen / sexy lady come be my dream" (not sure if that last line is correct). In the show he reuses it but makes it "There's no question of a doubt / I've checked all the DJs out / Marcus Nasty the finest I've heard / spread the gospel, gotta spread the word..." This kind of thing pleases me disproportionately.

Unfortunately (and frustratingly) all the Rinse FM show downloads (by Geeneus, Perempay, Supa D) seem to still be dominated by US and even Euro house (one of Geeneus's show included Villalobos and Ame) - which is nice enough but not really what I need more of.

I wonder if this is what it would have been like trying to find good 2-step shows after hearing "Destiny" or "My Desire (Dreem Teem Mix)" way back in 1997, and instead getting conservative Tuff Jam sets. Except at least Tuff Jam were playing lots of UK tracks!

Tim, it's exactly the same as far as I recall!

...but maybe even worse. I can't help but feel that because of the bottom falling out of the market for dance singles there aren't any labels jumping on the sound and trying to put out product. Suspect it's going the same way as Jamaica what with everyone doing all those special versions of their songs for radio DJs ("sometimes I wake up so early, so Marcus Nasty can play for me") in order to pay the rent.

Also, it'd probably be like hearing Bobbi and Steve or Grant Nelson on Kiss... Lots of US-aping brit garage on Azuli and 4liberty mixed up with Kerri Chandler etc (so not much change there).

i personally really dig the "us-aping brit garage". for example, "twilight flight" by baby face jay does the prescription sound far better than mountain people could ever dream of!

DJ Seany B feat Monique - Make your move

So, standard "funky" beat here, but what's so great about this track to me is the tension between the somewhat aggressive, definitely urban sounding bassline, and the sonically fluffy sounding vocals. Of course when you listen to the lyrics they're not actually that fluffy. The thing I like about a lot of these funky house songs is that for the first time in ages (outside of the really pop stuff) dance music lyrics are dealing with 'younger' topics - there's lots of stuff about instant sexual attraction etc. and it's a big contrast with the US scene which tends to produce more 'mature' sounding vocals...

Yeah that's a great track. Seany B used to be an MC in More Fire Crew I think! This, "Stomper" and another track whose name I forget are all fire.

Stomper is a weird one for me - it has that awkward, fruity-loops feel that makes it sound a lot more like grime than most funky... I like that as an ingredient, but when it dominates the recipe I'm not so sure. Tracks that balance this sound with sexier stuff appeal more to me...

Do you like "Leader" Jacob?

Are you talking about "Leader" by Fuzzy Logik?? I've been hearing this track about, first heard DJ Pioneer playing it, then Supa D, Marcus Nasty and now im hearing it everywhere i go, absolutely brilliant! Fuzzy Logik has some real quality tracks about at the min. Definetly one to watch out for reppin the uk funky. http://www.myspace.com/flogik

"Leader" is great. Very pure distillation of the sound I think. Bass sounds in funky are interesting, I think. They go for loud bass, but with a very smooth undistorted sound that kind of backgrounds it a lot more than we're used to in UK dance music...

Yeah I was thinking the same thing Jacob! Like, the MC might mention something about "watch for the bass" but it's this really subtle low-end that is hard to pick up on radio/mp3. So different from bassline (where the bassline is the melody).

It reminds me a bit of early 2-step actually: only a couple of producers like Steve Gurley and Groove Chronicles/El-B were into really prominent basslines, which is why they get namechecked by dubstep fans so much. Everyone had bass in their tracks but it wasn't necessarily leaping out at you - on a track like "Re-Rewind" the bass is quite subtle.

Then Wookie and Zed Bias really popularised big basslines, and by late 2000 it was pretty rare to come across tracks that didn't have a big bassline interlude.

Diamond ft Gappy Ranx – Champagne Dance (Dub)

^ not only ace, but a good demonstration of how fast this scene is moving groove-wise. How is this remotely house?

Tawiah - Every Step (Arms Remix)

^ Fabulous, melodramatic, hyper-syncopated R&B-ish funky house tune (Arms is a pretty amazing producer) with "Mandarine Girl"/"In White Rooms"-style staggering trancey synth chords as an added bonus.

Arms' myspace has a streaming version.

Nice one, I knew broken beat might still have some part to play in the future of London's music. Nice to see that influence in with a bunch of other interesting stuff.

Now if only could buy this.

Tawiah - Every Step (Arms Remix)

^ Fabulous, melodramatic, hyper-syncopated R&B-ish funky house tune (Arms is a pretty amazing producer) with "Mandarine Girl"/"In White Rooms"-style staggering trancey synth chords as an added bonus.

-- Tim F, Saturday, June 7, 2008 12:19 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

argh this stuff needs to start coming out on vinyl
the groove on this is so great - i really wish i had been trained as a drummer with a lot of this stuff so i could identify whats going on with the rhythms here. that skittering snare is the best

I think the Tawiah one might be released actually - the original track is R&B/rock fusion somewhat like Jamelia's "Something About You".

Deej did you ever hear any of the "R&G" stuff ("rhythm & grime") from about three/four years ago?

Not all of it was hot but some of the rhythmic programming on the best stuff was mindblowing, like KT Pearl's "Mr DJ" - top track!

But otherwise (as I said at the top of the thread) the really interesting rhythms in funky house remind me a bit of that period of UK Garage circa 2001 where it had started to abandon proper 2-step, had yet to get to the Pulse X stage, and was taking most of its rhythmic ideas in the meantime from the Caribbean - James Lavonz's "Mash Up Da Venue", TJ Cases' "One By One" the Bump & Flex Dancehall Dub of Cleptomaniacs' "All I Do", the London Dodgers' "Down Down Biznizz"... As this is some of my favourite music ever I'm very pleased. In fact if funky house goes in the direction I want it to (which remains to be seen - astonishing how many of the scene's big DJs are stuck in a soulful house rut - a pleasant rut to be sure, but a rut nonetheless when compared to the sound Marcus Nasty is pushing) it'll basically be going where I had hoped UK Garage would go had "Pulse X" and "Oi!" not emerged and changed the direction of the scene entirely.

(basically my version of rockism is to cast all music in a "destruction of Eden" narrative with 2-step as Eden)

Can I self-indulgently note that few big-ups have pleased me more than Marcus Nasty and Crazi Cousinz both linking my article on their myspace pages.

are there any pirate mixes floating around?

Go to Marcus Nasty's homepage Tricky - www.myspace.com/marcusnasty

The best one to start with is the Deja Vu FM show from late March with Quincy and Shanti on the mic.

The show with Rankin and Shanti is very good also.

'sous le soleil' needs a funky house remix

or like ... 'libre' by mambana

Was pleased to note (in line with predictions I had made) that a decent UK funky house DJ set from DJ Smoothie T included both "Calabria 2007" and "Work"

That mix is downloadable from his myspace - a good overview of the scene with "Bongo Jam", "Devil In A Blue Dress", "Make Your Move", "Tell Me", Geeneus's "I Tried", Roska's "Feeline", "Do You Mind", Diamond's "Champagne Dance", TNT's "Take It Low" (love this one - "Up/down/roundanownanow..."), Marcus Nasty's big instrumental dubplates, and a couple of ace tracks I'm not familiar with, including a marvellous smoov-but-secretly-ruff remix of Floetry by TNT which is like the funky house equivalent of "Sincere" or TJ Cases's "Dedicated To Love".

I wonder if this is the same TNT as the UK garage producer who did "Easy Lovin' You"...

Hey Tim, any idea what the track after Champagne Dance on the Smoothie T mix is? The Footloose remix of who exactly?

The one with the big horns and the electrofunk synths that sounds a bit like old Ruff Sqwad?

Hell, it even reminds me a little of Jammer's old beats, only at what 128 bpm?

This stuff really is like the best parts of early grime and weird late 2-step except not in the 138 bpm region. Which is a good thing by me.

I want to try mixing this stuff with some older slower speed garage and see how it sounds.

For those who're interested, UKrecordshop and Rhythm Division have some vinyl you can order online, including "Tell me", "Do you mind", "Segalizer" and "Mr Bean". That seems to be pretty much all there is around on vinyl...

Thank you, its been awhile since I've ordered anything from the UK.

Couldn't afford to keep up with dubstep at the pound to dollar exchange rate.

Looks like its time to eat some Ramen again!

xxpost - I don't know that track! It's great though - yeah very Ruff Sqwad. Infuriating how Smoothie T says "You all know this one!"

I have heard that female vocal before: "You're in the club/getting down/shake that bottle/spray it round round round."

Oh no that's from "Champagne Dance" (previous duck) duh. The track we're talking about has the Lady Saw style vocals.

For those who're interested, UKrecordshop and Rhythm Division have some vinyl you can order online, including "Tell me", "Do you mind", "Segalizer" and "Mr Bean". That seems to be pretty much all there is around on vinyl...

-- J@cob, Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:59 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark Link

!!! thnx man

would love to know if that arms rmx ever gets vinyl release ;D

Deej did you ever hear any of the "R&G" stuff ("rhythm & grime") from about three/four years ago?

Not all of it was hot but some of the rhythmic programming on the best stuff was mindblowing, like KT Pearl's "Mr DJ" - top track!

yeah i was into a lot of this stuff, i think its more alienating than two step or funky house for american audiences tho

maybe not tho, im listening to 'mr dj' again and i could see it working ... it doesnt really fit in w/ the vibe i go for tho, a little too much dramatic seriousness where my thing has been drifting towards laid back/summery like cali rap and mid 90s r&b, that lonyo track, a little balaeric, etc

Yeah very different vibe to that!

Do you know the Wookie remix of Gabrielle's "Sunshine" deej? Definition of laidback 2-step.

I think if I heard "Champagne Dance" out of context I would think it was an R&G track (what confused me re siah alan's question above is that I think this sounds a bit like Ruff Sqwad too...).

Do you all like that "Old school love" track? Fits with your eden narrative Tim...

The dub version of Sunshine is still my favorite 2-step track.

Weird, I never picked up a copy, really need to get on that.

I almost thought that there was another track between Champagne Dance and the next one with the female vocals, maybe its just the intro, I was pretty tired when I wrote my last post.

The one with "Don't... you... want... to... be... my.. baby"

Anyways, Footloose = badman in my estimation.

http://www.myspace.com/djfootlooseuk

His myspace give my computer a migraine though.

I worked it out: it's a remix of Ear Dis' "I Feel".

Ear Dis is Arms and one other guy. The original is pretty ace too - classy but rhythmically screwy broken beat pop, like a ruffer Vikter Dupleix.

I wonder if broken beat producers will invade this scene. Certainly Zed Bias should.

Agree re Footloose, I also love his remix of Che'Nelle's "Hurry Up".

What's the "old skool love" track jacob?

This far and yet no mention of "Daddy-O"?

It's a song all about the 'old days' of 2-step, namechecks lots of songs and then goes on about how the singer wants some 'old school love'. Sounds almost like Craig David...

Crazi Cousinz, Paleface and Scratcha all playing it I think.

Need to check that.

Tadow's "Rising Sun" (took me ages to ID this one) is probably the best track (or one of the best) for MCs to ride owing to those 8-bar style switches between the latin piano chords and the throbbing bass sections - works best if pitched up slightly. Anyway I'm mentioning it because there's an insane remix of it that's totally on a fucked up technicolour grime tip. Invasion Records running things right now...

Siegbran, I've only heard a bassline version of "Daddy O" - it's great though. Is there a funky version?

Soul Seekerz mix is the funky one, there's also your Fedde Le Grand-style fart-bass version (Micky Slim) and an oldskool UKG version by 187 Lockdown.

"Soul Seekerz mix is the funky one" - this means "funky" in the typical, non Marcus Nasty sense, right? We're not talking grimy synths and soca beats I assume.

But I'm excited by the notion of the return of 187 Lockdown.

Also, Wideboys back into the R&G as well.

Ha ha, Wideboys are always so accomodating with their different remixes:

1 Snowflake (Wideboys Original Club Mix) (3:50)
Remix - Wideboys*
2 Snowflake (Wideboys House Mix) (5:55)
Remix - Wideboys*
3 Snowflake (Future Freakz Remix) (6:34)
Remix - Future Freakz
4 Snowflake (Wideboys Bumpy Mix) (6:12)
Remix - Wideboys*
5 Snowflake (Wideboys Dutty Bass Mix) (4:54)
Remix - Wideboys*
6 Snowflake (4/4 Organ Mix) (4:26)
7 Snowflake (Wideboys Up Norf Big Booty Bassline Mix) (5:24)
Remix - Wideboys*
8 Snowflake (Wideboys R&G Mix) (2:47)

still trying to ID some tracks:

1) On that classic Marcus Nasty set with Rankin and Quincy, the R&G-ish track with the vocals "Ohhh, I want you oh so close, I wanted you to know, that you are takin' over, over me."

2) A track that samples Jagged Edge singing "rolling down the lonely highway asking God to please forgive me..." with piano and fabulous mechanical percussion,

now jamming: bongo jam

-- The Reverend, Sunday, May 11, 2008 9:35 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link

related: lol
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/mcconaughey1.html

http://patternloader.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/we-like-it-funky/

Thats building off of recent discussion at Dissensus and this thread, any thoughts would be appreciated.

Anyone care that DJ Bossman has become DJ Perempay, purveyor of high quality Funky house with a minimal influence?

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=167597324

He's got some good mixes up on his blog.

Yo Alan I liked your piece a lot but I don't see why funky house abandons "forward" as a principle, at least relative to dubstep (unless you literally mean "FWD>").

Producers like Roska are at least almost as rhythmically inventive as Mala's best work surely? And have had a lot less time in which to prove themselves (compare/contrast the body of amazing grooves in dubstep circa 2002 with funky house circa 2008 and who wins??? Funky house obv)

Yeah, I think the problem with that piece is that there seem to be two currents within the UK scene right now.

One seems to be pushing towards experimentalism and using the same sonic palette as grime, and the other is towards the same kind of sonic conservatism we were talking about in the other thread.

I was reacting against that more than against people like Mentor Roska or Apple (who is beating Shackleton at his own game) or even some of Geeneus' stuff.

And I'm still getting around the fact that I now agree with all those producers who gave up on dubstep, house is more rewarding in the long run.

Just wish Zed Bias would start making this stuff, it would fit perfectly with his broken beat production work.

Its funny Mala has referred to some of his earliest production work as kind of weird skippy broken house. I wonder what he thinks of this scene, or if he's even aware of it.

Apparently he's going to be playing at the Berghain in a couple of weeks, I wonder how a man who appears to be a devout Rastafarian (sweetest guy I've ever met as well) is going to handle the atmosphere in there.

Mala is everything that's right about dubstep.

Musically I mean, I don't even know what he looks like!

i don't "get" this music yet. should i start with supa d's mix on rinse? or is there something free i should check out first? looking at myspace gives me a headache. ..

I liked this DJ Smoovie T set. Thanks Tim.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/4mi2zd

Its got a very London bedroom DJ feel to it, plus its got a lot of the scene anthems in there as well.

Dude's just funny.

Yeah I chose Mala as shorthand for "the best/most interesting stuff that dubstep has to offer" - and tracks like "Neverland" and "Forgive" could work in a funky house set.

Alan I think there is that conservative vibe you mention to a lot of funky house but I really don't go for almost any of that stuff - Perempay has underwhelmed me to date for this reason, pretty much.

But I don't think this is a cause for real concern - as we discussed upthread it's a lot like the conservative approach of a lot of speed garage. In the end I think the experimental/grimey end of the scene will become almost irresistible. Perhaps not Apple (who's probably destined to be the Dem 2 of the scene - a revered, pivotal figure, but one that got to the future too soon) but definitely producers like Footloose will (I'm guessing) ultimately be setting the trend in the next twelve months.

The Tuff Jam story is apposite - the central figures on the scene in 1997 (in terms of cross-the-board cred - as distinct from the breakout populism of Julian Jonah/187 Lockdown), they resisted 2-step right through 1998/1999, but by 2000 Matt Lamont was making 2-step tracks and putting out 2-step-dominated DJ mixes.

Vahid the Supa D mix is okay but not mindblowing. If you haven't downloaded any of the marcus nasty sets try this one first:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/vo6p13

You're probably right about Footloose, although have you checked out any of Perempay's production work? Some of it is really good, I quite like Hypnotize.

He's a very technically talented DJ, just wish he'd take a few chances here or there.

Here's another take on the scene from RA writer Jacob Burns.

http://sodiumnightlife.wordpress.com/2008/06/17/lets-get-funky/

Woah there's two RA writers called Jacob who like funky house??

Jacob Wright likes it too? Didn't know that.

Jacob Burns is a Scottish writer and musician, very big into dubstep and minimal. Now progressively getting more into funky, I really value his opinion.

It now occurs to my drunk brain that J@cob could possibly be Mr. Wright.

Sorry about that, carry on.

Yep that's me.

I'm not too quick on the uptake sometimes,

So yeah, how about that new Mentor Roska release ?

Up now on Juno

listening to that smoovie t mix ...

i like it, reminds me of that very very short-lived ragga house / soca house moment from 2004-2005

stuff like MAW ft nas:t & denise "work", basement jaxx "missing you" remix, jess & crabbe's various ragga-hip-house hybrids, etc

Here's a slightly newer one of Smoovie's in case anyones interested.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/o6i1qr

04-05 vahid?

Yeah the way that Smoovie actually uses "Work" and "Calabria" in the first mix really rams this home. The "Missing You" remix would fit in perfectly here. I'm really hoping that Basement Jaxx start responding to this (I just don't think their trebly Switch homages are as good as they could be).

There's a couple of ragga-hip-housey new tracks actually. Like that one the Crazi Cousinz play with the sped up R&B vocal ("She says she like's it THAT way/so me give it to her THAT way") for the verse and then Vybz Kartel for the chorus ("More/Raw/Hard to the core"). Or the one that just samples Bounty Killer's "yallow yallow" call.

Interestingly another big recycled hit on the scene is Bugs In The Attic's remix of Amy Winehouse's "In My Bed" - for that slightly shrill broken beat R&B vibe. I guess that was the raviest Bugs ever got.

Thought i'd make the jump over from dissensus for this. Let me start by asking if anyone knows what this is -

http://www.divshare.com/download/4759712-30c

Seriously wonky drums with a huge bassline and just a few hints of piano. Off that crazy couzinz launch party cd, its track 20. MC saying its the DJ naughty remix, but not what of.

Jacob

Hi guys just want to let you know that Fuzzy Logik has finally released the long awaited uk funky Bangerz N Mash E.P !

This has been getting battered by all the pirate stations and clubs everywhere and has been getting huge support from the likes of Supa D, MA1, Pioneer, Footloose ( 1xtra ), Marcus Nasty and many more. This EP also has the massive track, What Goes Around which features on the mix CD, Rinse 03 Mixed By Supa D.

Four uk funky house club favourites, on one E.P. <br><br> Features the tracks <b>"What Goes Around"</b>, <b>"Leader"</b>, <b>"Twiss"</b> and <b>"Funky Roller"</b>. <br><br>Limited Press, Out Now!!!

Available from ukrecordshop.com, Rhythm Division, Uptown Records & UDM.

Thank you!

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(sorry about the last post)

Hi guys just want to let you know that Fuzzy Logik has finally released the long awaited Bangerz N Mash E.P !

This has been getting battered by all the pirate stations and clubs everywhere and has been getting huge support from the likes of Supa D, MA1, Pioneer, Footloose ( 1xtra ), Marcus Nasty and many more.

This EP also has the massive track, What Goes Around which features on the mix CD, Rinse 03 Mixed By Supa D.

Four uk funky house club favourites, on one E.P. Features the tracks What Goes Around, Leader, Twiss and Funky Roller. Limited Press, Out Now!!!

Available from ukrecordshop.com, Rhythm Division, Uptown Records & UDM Now!!!

this guys "rumba" is pretty cool:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=50678233

who produced that sirens tune? huge bassline, loads of sirens going off in the background. 3 or 4 tracks in to that latest smoovie t show, just after the remix of florida i think.

oh the sirens thing was produced by hardhouse banton

Thx for the mix links.

Jacob, track 20 of the Bongo Jam Launch Party mix is Crazi Cousinz' remix of P2J & Shaniqua's "Dance Wid Me". But I think you mean track 19, which I'm guessing is DJ Naughty's remix of Crazi Cousinz & Kimona's "I See You", as it has some of the vocals from that tune.

""this guys "rumba" is pretty cool:"

Yeah, I've heard this one around a bit too. Reminds me of Seany B's "Stompa" a bit - grimey latin house! (who would've thought?). The way "Rumba" just gets larger and larger as it goes is ace, all those new sounds coming in while the central motif just chimes away.

TNT's "Take It Low" also massive.

(if it's not clear to those playing at home, the "this guy" Jacob means is TNT)

Cheers for all that Tim! You know I really like how things such as "Rumba" are so organic, or at least have all these organic elements. I guess its to do with them using percussion loops and stuff, but also the sounds are blocky and that clap on the four doesn't strike me as quantised. I got my apple vinyl in the post today and siegaliser is so raw, this stuff is so exciting right now. That smoovie t posted upthread is pretty big. Still hate bongo jam though!

Funky house seems like a misnomer, what I've heard sounds a lot less funky than garage to me. It never seems to have much syncopation.

In fact the "funky house" we're talking about is a lot more syncopated than the kind of house that has been called "funky house" for the last ten years or so.

Given that for the most part garage was not house, making that the reference point for the standard of funkiness in house isn't gonna help.

I was under the impression that the current London funky house scene emerged from garage. I may well be wrong, I only keep half an eye on these developments.

The most recent links on this thread lead to stuff with not much syncopation, though.

In some sense it did chap - but what happened (in very basic, general terms) was that a lot of UK Garage heads abandoned garage as it turned into grime and started listening to US-style funky house instead - where the "funky" really only refers to the bassline.

If there's an equivalent of Todd Edwards in terms of being a US producer who kickstarts a UK reponse, it'd be Dennis Ferrer, whose remix of Fish Go Deep's "The Cure & The Cause" was this new post-garage scene's first and perhaps still biggest anthem.

But what's been happening in the last six months is that productions have been getting rougher, more syncopated and, in some ways, "grimier". But it's an uneven development: not all new tracks are sharing all these qualities simultaneously and evenly.

A tune like "Rhumba" (which I assume is what you mean) uses a very heavy 4X4 kick but the production otherwise has all sorts of references to grime. Be wary of judging from the other tracks on the TNT myspace page, as some of these are bassline productions (a decidedly un-funky post-garage scene based in the north of England).

If you want examples of really syncopated tunes, check out Roska's myspace page: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=80990671

One thing I find really interesting about Roska's stuff and similar productions is how they can be so fucked up beatwise and still sound like house - often there will still be a 4X4 kick buried underneath the other rhythms, or even if there's not you can still here one in your head. 2-step garage didn't really sound like house at all: admittedly 2-step was also faster than house, but the groove matrix just wasn't compatible.

This stuff doesn't have much to do with 2-step at all though - it's more like a mixture of soca-house, broken beat and grime.

See also the myspace pages for Apple and Footloose.

There's something about the way the beats are built that makes the non 4/4 seem so compatible as well. If you were listening to a traditional house set, a move away from a 4/4 kick would seem like a seismic shift but it doesn't with this new stuff. Also, most kicks seem to be getting lighter. Its partly to make way for the bass I guess but that lends itself to polyrhythms much more easily.

The version of Skepta's "The Rolex Sweep" on the Marcus Nasty set with Shantie and Rankin' is the Fingeprint remix. One of the hardest, most insane funky tracks I've heard: the rhythm is a total mess (in a brilliant way). Nothing to do with house at all!

Mind you Donaeo's "African Warrior" is pretty fucking hard as well. Reminds me a bit of the dub of the Wideboys' "Something's Got Me Started", but harder. Love the clash between the rhythm and Donaeo's strained R&B vocals, though he does some MCing here too (actually more like R Kelly singjay).

Likewise if you listen to Roska's "Climate Change", the only kicks are on the 1 and the 4, which gives it a feeling of a groove that starts and kinda ends in house but goes all over the place in the middle of each bar.

Wow the dub of "African Warrior" is even more menacing. Check the bass!

Fingerprint's Remix of Footloose's Just Leave is pretty aggro as well.

Funny, considering the tune's lyrics advise the rude boys to "just leave" the dance before starting anything.

that Rolex Sweep Remix is amazing. the last Marcus Nasty set has been doing it for me in a big way. so varied, so sick. does anyone have anything approaching a tracklist?

nice one to those bringing the knowledge here already! thanks!

On his 1xtra radio show this week Footloose claims the Rolex Sweep remix had never been played before by anyone and had only just been completed - someone's telling someone porkies.

Benjamin do you mean the set with Rankin and Shanti?

The "sexy UK house" set with just Shanti is fantastic as well.

The first track is TNT's "Take It Low" (I wonder if this is not Skepta on the vocals too - e.g. the "single"/"mingle" couplet).

Still really want to ID the track on there that samples Jagged Edge - "Rolling down the lonely highway/asking God to please forgive me..."

I mean "Take It Low" is the first track on the Shantie/Rankin set.

oh i think it must be a different one, the one i mean opens with that track sampling jagged edge, then rolex sweep comes in third track in.

this one crazy track later on really pushes home how diverse the sound is at the moment, sounds like a soca-inflected expansion on the breakdown from Sugar Daddy, ridiculous vibes. need to get to one of these raves very soon.

also really feeling the Roska stuff. and loads of other ones i don't know the names of. does anyone have a myspace address for Fingerprint?

Maybe we've just got the tracks in different order.

Can't access myspace from this computer, but Fingerprint's definitely got a page, a lot of the other producer's pages link to it. But last time I checked (about a week ago) he didn't have his ruffer tracks up I don't think. "The Print" and "The Print (2008 Remix)" are both very good though.

I'm still not convinced, this is why on my facebook profile it says I like house (not funky). Just doesn't work for me.

oh wait i actually meant Sugar Is Sweeter not Sugar Daddy. and its actually quite an inappropriate reference point. ah well!

where are you hearing those Fingerprint tracks Tim?

found it...

http://www.myspace.com/fingaprint

STRICTLY VIBES: UK Funk House Essentials

It does mystify me that there isn't more of a groundswell of support for this stuff. There's, like, 5 regulars on this thread? Grime got much more of a response from ILX/the world at large.

Am I the only one who thinks this music is clearly as exciting as that was? (probaby even more so?)

Where are the epic Simon Reynolds thinkpieces eh.

Am I the only one who thinks this music is clearly as exciting as that was? (probaby even more so?)

Wake me up when the Funky House 'Junior Spesh' rolls into view....

Am I the only one who thinks this music is clearly as exciting as that was? (probaby even more so?)

more so

Marcus Nasty has two new mixes up in his Facebook group, FREE MIX CDS.

I don't like them quite as much as his other recent ones though, partly because they're a little bit more conservative, but perhaps mostly because they're missing Shantie, who I rather unfairly now consider to be the voice of funky house (I'm astonished at how much I love this guy).

Also Marcus has done a 2 hour set for BBC 1Xtra (with tracklisting! Finally!) that I still need to check out. This looks good:

Skepta / Wiley / Donao – Rolex Sweep (Special)
Seasons – Little Silver
Frontline – Eye Blue / Princess
Sirens – Hard House Banton
Reign – Hard House Banton
Bongo Jam – Crazy Cousins
The Way We Get Down – Vibe
Jungle Boy – Intramental
Tell Me – DJ NG (Genius Remix)
Marcus Special – Lightning Exclusive
Would You Mind – Kyla Ft Crazy Cousins
Quick Time – DJ Naughty (VIP Mix)
Piece Of Heaven – Beat Players Ft Lara McClarren
Stomper – Seany B
Gimme That 08 Remix – Mario Productions
Mr Seduction – Seany B
Brazillia – Baby Face J
Post Room Remix – Little Silver (Marcus Nasty Special)
Sheaneka – JP2
General remix – Malice
Liberty – Scotty D
Live Wire – Norris Da Boss
Bad Habits – Marc Ambience
The Music – Hard House Banton
In The Air – Perempae
Yellow Yail – Genius
Mario – Mario Productions
Terminator – JME
Funky Flex – Little Silver
Take Over – VIP Mix (Invasion Recordings)
Devil In A Blue Dress – Doneo
African Warrior – Doneo
Believe In Love – Rosca
Climate Change – Rosca
Speechless – Mystery
Flawless – Malice
Blanka – JME
Bad Habit – Malice
Make You Move – Seany B
Topper 5 Remix – Swif Joy
Im Right Here – MA1 Naughty Remix
Visions – Malice
Mind Body And Soul – TNT
Rock 2 The Beats – Kurupt Rec
Girl Like Me – Naughty Ft Addictive
Rising Sun – Invasion Rec
Level – Fuzzy Logic
Mr Bean Remix – Sypro
Take It The Top – Misa Mix ft Nia
Take It Low – Lev
High – Doneo
Things Have Changed – Mattalic

(TNT's "Mind, Body & Soul" is the vocal version of "Rumba", for those of you playing at home. It's the one with sassy diva going "'cos when the sun goes down my baby got me out of control..")

oi finners chuck us those mix links, i don't do fb

will swap for the wiseguy 1xtra shortcut LIKE SO

rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/1xtra/allstar_mix.ra

Marcus and Rankin on Deja Vu 28.06.08: http://www.sendspace.com/file/5vk5c5

Marcus, Sharkey P and L.E.V. Ayia Napa Send Off: http://www.sendspace.com/file/710yjc

safe.

mainly wanted cos "a little bit more conservative" strikes me for two reasons: been lazy and catching up, and also that some of the latest developments detailed above i found perturbing wrt their boshing aggression; while there were bits of nasty crew in even the earliest 08 marcus sets they still never cleaved as close to grime as something like 'african warrior' dub - yeah there's polyrhythms there and whatnot, but if you'd called it "any random skepta therapy session (paradox drumfunk remix)" nary an eyelid would be bat. seems a bit besides the point?

(this... this is the world's 1st funky formalist audition right?)

One of the things I should have talked more about in my blog post above (but I was kinda feverish and just wanted to finish it) is how even the most grimey of, say, Marcus's sets have heaps of relatively more conservative tunes, falling into two basic categories:

1) The diva vocal tunes ("Do You Mind", "Tell Me", "I Tried", "Dirty Thoughts", "I See You", "Make Your Move", "High Heels" etc.) - there's no necessary correlation between the vocal and the ruffness of the groove (hence "Rumba" becomes "Mind, Body & Soul") although yeah we're not likely to see vocal versions of Roska or Apple tunes any time soon.

2) The deep house tunes, which (in Marcus's sets) are mostly along the lines of Jerome Sydenham/Dennis Ferrer/Quentin Harris (not that these three guys all sound the same, but that's the space in which these tunes fall) - tunes like Perempay's "Hypnotic", and heaps of others I can't name. Lots of simple but sexy 4X4 beats, spare piano chords and strings.

At the moment as far as I can tell no-one's really playing sets that are wall to wall harder tunes from Apple/Roska/Footloose/"African Warrior (Dub)" etc. And heaps of producers fall on each side of the line, like Seany B has made "Stompa" and "Make Your Move", "Dirty Thoughts"; Footloose has his hard remixes and "Just Leave", same for Fingerprint with his recent remixes and "The Print".

"African Warrior (Dub)" isn't as good as the vocal version for the precise (and rather boring coming from me) reason that it sacrifices that perfect balance between singalong vocal tune and hard as nails groove.

yeah ok, that seems fair. funny to think of it now but i almost feel like i'd wrestled with similar demons whilst wondering if it was right that i should enjoy 'what goes around' that much more than 'leader'. innocent times.

anyway 4 those in the gallery seats, here to illustrate these points is dj naughty's 'tough luck', sandwiched between said 'african warrior' and 'tribal warfare' by a little "but only a very little" bit funky, taped off footloose:

http://www.zshare.net/audio/146008334ca80c19/

ps. 'tough luck' is the good one.

pps. i should add that i am in no way unsympathetic to the socabeat theology as is.

I guess i feel like I'm torn between the two emerging polar positions here. There are some people who say "oh yeah funky house is worthless except for Apple".

Which seems like the argument you'd make if you'd been into dubstep and grime but never got garage itself.

Conversely though I think the scene became really interesting at the point where its range expanded to include light vocal house tunes at one end and Apple at the other. It's the range itself, and the way all of these things are blended into one coherent genre, which I find interesting.

On one of the Marcus/Shantie sets Marcus mixes straight from "Hypnotic" into "Climate Change", and it's a spectacular feat of mixing both technically (the solitary string flares in "Hypnotic" slotting perfectly into an empty space in "Climate Change") and erm thematically - the transition is an embodiment of the openness in this music that possibly can't/won't last.

Yeah I guess that paradox-bosh sound on "African Warrior (Dub)" and "Tribal Warfare" sounds a bit oppressive in the context of two out of the three tracks, but are there any other tracks that even sound like that? They make the ominous-soca of Footloose or Baby Faced Jay's "Tribal Zone" sound a lot more peppy and girly by comparison.

Some of the tracks on DJ Naughty's myspace (not specified as they're mixed together as a segment from a live set) are verging on Germanic deepness, very much Innervisions meets Liebe*Detail.

Ha ha I could sorta imagine funky house audiences liking Ed Davenport's "Eyepspeak" or Tiger Stripes' "Hooked" actually.

the transition is an embodiment of the openness in this music that possibly can't/won't last.

haha yeah it's like what you were saying on the tropical thread about proto-paradise interregna and such, only now it's almost as if there's already an immanent strain of of melancholy there for whatever disappointing compromises that lie ahead once this all ossifies.

for my part, i guess my vector is still gonna be that marcus set i attended - but then the spare tautness of that whole vibe, and the interplay with the mc, is always unlikely to fashion itself a foothold in any kind of realworld record sale product. 'do you mind' is actually probably the one vocal tune that's gripping yet unobtrusive enough to stay true to that side, somehow. but it still sounds fantastic on daytime radio.

also, that glint of dancehall in there hasnt really panned out has it. links of what i thought mightve been abrew in a sec!

http://www.zshare.net/audio/1460480207997596/

munga's 'early morning' on corleone's atmopshere riddim (which sank without trace) - trace of lonely compulsion in there a bit like 'push the feeling on' or something maybe?

http://www.zshare.net/audio/14604826acab64d7/

ding dong's 'go away'... won't spoil this one.

Re: roughness...

Actually for me the most exciting thing about this scene is the over 'sexy' element to a lot of it. There's been this weird and persistent de-sexualising of dance genres for ages, and you could see funky as being the turn of that tide. And I particularly like the fact that the sexiness here isn't the self-consciously 'adult' kind but quite often feels a lot rawer and more teenage - something that you could argue only 2step and disco ever nailed before (with obvious exceptions of hip hop/rnb and jamaican styles).

I'm obviously lacking any first hand experience of clubs/raves that play this stuff, but it seems to me that being in an environment where you hear primarily DJ Naughty, Perempay and vocal tunes might actually be more unique and different than one in which it's all hard percussive Apple-style stomp...

I have a question. How mainstream/underground is this stuff in Britain?

omg we were just discussing this in aol chatroom's 'chatz'!

omg motherfucker!

Well, 'wearing my rolex' charted...

I'd tend to think 'underground' is kind of an irrelevant descriptor for this stuff. It's populist music that isn't popular yet.

Woah, Skykicking revived!??!?1?/!?!

I'm thinking that it might be worth reviving just to post stuff about funky house.

"proto-paradise interregna and such"

rtc this is surely in yr top twenty or so. Though "driven home in the somnambulance" remains number 1 always and forever.

It's at least gonna be interesting to see what happens with this stuff. It's not necessarily a case of light&sexy-->hard&masculine, although that's one obvious trajectory for it. Garage is an interesting example here: when 2-step took over the music actually got more lighthearted and poppy than it had been in speed garage's immediately preceding boom boom bassline era, as if the revelation of the 2-step beat itself gave the rest of the music some temporary breathing space in which it didn't have to busy itself with wowing the headz.

If we're gonna isolate syncopated stompadelic producers then I prefer Roska to Apple, but I still don't want Roska's sound to take over the scene. Would much prefer the dominant sound to be a kind of R&B Mark II - only with a more viable/accessible rhythmic basis than R&B Mark I. A tune like Diamond's "Champagne Dance" is as WTF groovewise as anything else but it is also great singalong material. And if tunes like that became the common ground you could see the current arrangement whereby sets can also accommodate both deeper housey tunes and frantic soca-inspired tunes, at least temporarily.

x-post: i would say still pretty underground - i dont see much stuff written abt it or advertised at many club nights. but i'm in london - is london meant to be the centre of the scene?? or is it elsewhere.

o and great to see skykicking back!

is london meant to be the centre of the scene??

Yes.

The one place very near me that did put on this kinda thing has just changed to an indie night instead.

:(

haha tim i will never fathom yr fondness for that terrible jamaican patient spiel.

appears malice is our 'gabreille' dubber btw:

http://www.myspace.com/diamondindaruffproductions

Wake me up when the Funky House 'Junior Spesh' rolls into view....

-- linea, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 15:15 (Yesterday) Link

roll into view you say?

Well, 'wearing my rolex' charted...

I'd tend to think 'underground' is kind of an irrelevant descriptor for this stuff. It's populist music that isn't popular yet.

-- J@cob, Thursday, July 3, 2008 8:25 AM (12 hours ago)

It is very underground. It doesn't have much of a foothold anywhere outside of London at all and even their it's not the main thing going on.

And "Wearing my Rolex" doesn't really have much to do with this to my ears (just straight up electro-house really, surely?).

ozzie b checks in

(tune sounds a lot better in the middle of the "Marcus, Sharkey P and L.E.V. Ayia Napa Send Off" set above)

unless it's real... jungle funky i don't wanna hear it. i can't stand that fast fake ass dance music that sounds about 10 years too slow

i want a jam i can shake my shoulders to and circle around moving weight. vibrate, etc. i don't want some corny shitty breakbeat alternating while some fag samples horns without any high complexity much less meaningfun resolution. i hate this genre

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/9821/bongomadnessrg2.gif

want

Loving Apple's "Bean Get Well Soon". The track on his myspace labeled "SAMPLE of wots to come" is interesting with its combination of funky-styled drums and bassline-style...bassline.

suppose it would be shortsighted to find mc versatile's work on TEH FUNKY ANTHEM (aka 'gabryelle' x crazy cousinz x shout-pouts to everyone in the scene) a tad embarassing huh

haha 'shout-pouts'... shout-pouts to all my homies 4real

maybe it's just cos marcus then follows with the gorgeous murk of geeneus 'piece of heaven' right after

also yeah, what is that hott analogue dialtone salsa bubbler that goes "get on - the floor!"

Trying to think of a track that could actually be described as a series of "shout-pouts".

Maybe Skepta's shock claim "Soulja Boy can't dance like me."

Isn't Teh Funky Anthem really an MC version of Crazi Cousinz (superior) "High Heels" - the one that goes "I got my high heels on, and the DJ is playing my favourite song. I'm sipping on JD, and i admit I am feeling a little tipsy..."

Hoping I never live to see a house track offering a shout-pout to Jim Beam though.

xpost: RTC that's Delio D’Cruz ft. K Cat – Get On The Floor

duh ok! still terrible with names right now... don't recall that 'high heels' being quite as stabby but i shall defer.

http://rinsefm.blogspot.com/2008/07/ma1-28th-june.html
http://rinsefm.blogspot.com/2008/07/dj-ng-27th-june.html

been enjoying these most recent ma1 and ng rinse sets also. they are not nearly as kaleidoscopical as the prime marcus cuts or anything, but still some good head-down deep snaking skanking business i feel.

hah i think between funky and riding for bbe and whatnot on the other thread i might be going thru some sort of "once and future king of west london" jazzy herb phase.

btw if anyone missed that marcus 1xtra allstar mix from last week i done nicked it and can put up if need be. ooh hello it's a mj cole mix now!

If it would not be too much trouble that'd be rad. I only got to the first hour.

here

here also is a vid from the frontlines of the dangerous living room afterparty scene.

(busy signal 'step out' over 'leader' though :DDDDD)

smoovie t linked to this thread on his myspace blog

although yeah we're not likely to see vocal versions of Roska or Apple tunes any time soon.

there's at least this version of 'apple bubble'

Marcus and Rankin on Deja Vu 28.06.08: http://www.sendspace.com/file/5vk5c5

Got a track id on the ravey one about 15 minutes in?

It does mystify me that there isn't more of a groundswell of support for this stuff. There's, like, 5 regulars on this thread? Grime got much more of a response from ILX/the world at large.

Am I the only one who thinks this music is clearly as exciting as that was? (probaby even more so?)

Where are the epic Simon Reynolds thinkpieces eh.

-- Tim F, Wednesday, July 2, 2008 10:00 AM (5 days ago) Bookmark Link

to be honest, i think its probably good we dont have these things??

Deej the issue here is genuine enthusiasm for what's being discussed. Reynolds' piece on 2-step for The Wire in 1999 was so good that I've spent the last 9 years writing roundabout homages to it.

Yes but arguably 2step in 1999 was at the culmination of 2-3 years of development and refinement of its basic structures and sounds. It was so much more fully formed as an aesthetic and a scene than 'funky' is right now.

Right now it's much more like when people were talking about 'sunday scene' and 'RIPGroove' first came out and the potential that had to eventually evolve into 2step.

Also, re: dubstep - if you place the origins of the sound with Horsepower and Ghost and Hatcha then it probably didn't get its 'media break' until at least 2 years later, once Skream broke big...

I mean don't get me wrong I think funky does suffer from being too girly/commercial sounding for most crits/bloggers to get excited about it, but it's also early days.

that song on the 1xtra marcus nasty mix @ 54:20 is great - anyone got a title?

this is a totally ilx-ish reference but it reminds me of luciano's "madre mother mere" or whatever it was called

ha it goes into an opera-y singing thing that sounds perfectly all over the place in a basement jaxx way. or maybe thats the next song?

and the vocal track @ 61:10 is killin it too

Ha ha Jess said to me in an e-mail that he really wants to hear the funky house track I described as sounding like Cadenza + Bounty Killer samples.

I will make some attempts at track IDs this evening folks - thanks for posting those mixes rtc and jacob!

"Right now it's much more like when people were talking about 'sunday scene' and 'RIPGroove' first came out and the potential that had to eventually evolve into 2step."

I dunno, couldn't you say the "sunday scene" moment was when "The Cure & The Cause" first blew up? I don't know whether these scenes map on to one another timewise really, but if I had to guess I'd say this is the equivalent of 1998 for 2-step.

Ha ha let's do track equivs:

"The Whole Night (Crazi Cousinz Mix)" = "My Desire (Dreem Teem Mix)"
"Feeline" = "Destiny"
"Bongo Jam" = "Straight From The Heart"
"Yellowtail" = "Spirit of the Sun (S. Gurley Mix)"
"Hypnotic" = "Sincere"
"Segalizer" = "Kaotic Madness"
"Leader" = "Madness On The Streets"

deej: http://youtube.com/watch?v=D8e4iWhQHYc

('live wire', nice try marcus!)

quite neat that rose windross should find herself in the midst of all this really.

and yeah otm it is very jaxxy indeed what with the fake capleton-sounding guy in there as well

also 61:10 vocal: http://www.myspace.com/djperempay

http://www.myspace.com/urbance - i like this new 'to be vocalled soon i hope' melancholy banger on ng's page

(amazing pink bruise sunrise in ldn right now giving me a cheapo napa moment haha)

j@cob you notice the bit in your ravey one where it goes "mario play the bloodclaat bass"? yeah.

I mean don't get me wrong I think funky does suffer from being too girly/commercial sounding for most crits/bloggers to get excited about it, but it's also early days.

Dissensus/Wire-types are mystifyingly into Rustie and aquacrunk/wonky or whatevs rather than this stuff.

xpost: thanks!

Nobody else pick up on that tune? It's doing something quite different with the cheap synth sounds apple uses...

Yeah "Mario Play The Bloodlclart" (that ravey tune) is great! The use of the synths feels like an extension on a kind of perky carnivalesque siren thing that quite a few tunes do - see Baby Faced Jay's "Tribal Zone" for example.

Carnivalesque = Jaxxy?

Jaxx:Funky :: Todd Edwards:2step?

Yes! This is why I'm hoping Basement Jaxx get counter-inspired on their next album and return to their roots a bit (and abandon their pointless recent attempts to beat nu-rave at its own game).

APHRODISIAX - UNFINISHED BUSINESS

OMG this is so fucking next level.

It's like a funky equiv. of James Lavonz's "Mash Up Da Venue" or the Bump & Flex Dancehall Dub of "All I Do".

Check the myspace for a sample:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=368460659

Actually it sorta sounds almost like IDM in isolation - better in the mix where its essential housiness shines through.

Their "Keep it Moving" is also massive, though again I didn't quite realise it till I heard it in the mix - in Footloose's show for this week.

Also on that mix, Bearfoot Monk's "Wearwolf" is another so-wired-it's-almost-IDM track - makes me think of The Black Dog.

Great Arms Remix of Lloyd's "How We Do It In The A" too.

that Aphrodisiax track reminds me a lot of early Luciano, but ruffffer. which is a really really good thing!

feeling that Producer Mario track a very very great deal. is he the one behind that tune which samples Jagged Edge?

big up once again all of you guys bringing the sets and knowledge, massive appreciation

Marcus Nasty on 1xtra is sounding ridiculous

Not really funky, but how nice is Davinche and Tinie Tempah - "Tears"? It's like funky is even re-galvanising grime to become sunnier and more clubby. He even says "Davinche, we bringing grime back to the clubs" in the intro...

(disclaimer goes here if this track is actually like 6 months old)

Fuck the current Footloose show is so good. Get on it before it disappears in maybe 24 hours or so!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/footloose/

Yo does anyone know the identity of that insane remix of "Bongo Jam" on the Marcus Nasty June show with Rankin? Not the DJ Naughty remix or the live version from their myspace, it's kind of rattling funk though.

Also the VIP remix of "Feeline" that's playing on the new Footloose show (follow the link above - it's about three songs in) is just insane.

OMG Dub Boy's "Funky Underground" is more next level shit - those rolling drums!

this Footloose show is amazing, thanks Tim. these guys are demonstrating / cultivating an EMBARRASSMENT of riches. i cannot wait to get myself to a rave

OK, I listened to this crap. Can I have the last eight minutes of my life back?

-- Display Name, Monday, April 21, 2008 9:49 PM (3 months ago) Bookmark Link

lols

(gread stuff in this thread. i always imagine when i open this thread it'll just be a picture of someones ass or something. ok back to yall)

"It does mystify me that there isn't more of a groundswell of support for this stuff. There's, like, 5 regulars on this thread? Grime got much more of a response from ILX/the world at large.

Am I the only one who thinks this music is clearly as exciting as that was? (probaby even more so?)"

No, I'm with you on that. Definite shades of 2003 grime for me but coupled with something I felt I missed by not catching 2-step in the moment. The energy's just too intoxicating. Growing interest has turned into unhealthy obsession for me in the last couple of months.

I only just discovered this gold mine of a discussion though, thanks to Siah I think. Here I was hanging around Dissensus wondering why the Funky thread there was so quiet...

Yeah, this is basically 2-step redux for me, in terms of my relationship to the music. It's just so vibey. Except i got into 2-step in the second half of 99 when it was already fully-formed, pretty much. It feels like such a privilege to watch this music unfold before my ears.

MORE VIBES, MORE PRESSURE

Sound quality ain't the best but the Mak10 DejaVu FM set on Butterz has same bad boy tunes.

http://verybutterz.blogspot.com/2008/07/free-mixes-from-mak-10.html

hi thread! nothing much to say, happy to listen, happy to boggle at footloose playing 3 boss tunes as varied as

Donae’o – African Warrior
Delinquent ft Kcat – I Got You (Delio D’Cruz Mix)
Roska – Feeline VIP

straight out the gate and for it to still make total sense, happy to continue to let finney formation dat, left to the right. hurrah.

wondering what that ace carl craig 69-ey thing is in between marlon b 'funky angel' and fuzzy logic's 'work the love' about 1:84 into that show.

i should also like to add to the above (perhaps irrelevantly to some) that in listening to various other shows (ng/ma1/half of rinse these days) in lieu of marcus' singular uh, funky alembic i've been truly impressed at the health of the uk house scene in general, so much so that i could almost forgive them getting crabby about their new attention.

havent yet heard jme's 'terminator' or 'blanka', but i'm thinking why bother waking up an old grime thread for this hotness eh

http://www.zshare.net/audio/16128003c4a554e1/

crazy cousinz newie called 'don't u like the way' is some swanky excellence

Feeline review is up at RA. Come bring the hate.

Great piece Jacob! I wonder though how many people will know what "Destiny" is though...

You don't mention "Climate Change" the track in your review - what do you think of it?

I agree that "Pyramids" is kinda like a variation on a theme, like one of those Apple reworks of "Mr Bean".

Roska didn't send me 'Climate change' as part of the promo pack so I don't actually know!

Also - I preferred my original opening sentence - "this is not the house of your fathers" but editor changed that...

as we were sitting down to dinner last night in like 100 degree heat some car parked outside our house and then started playing 'some times i wake up early in the morning, to play my con-con-congo' real loud. it was awesome.

"Feeline is like dubstep with a sex drive"

Snickers quietly,

Right on Jacob.

"Roska didn't send me 'Climate change' as part of the promo pack so I don't actually know!"

:-( Where is my promo. Jacob download the Marcus Nasty "Sexy UK House Set" with Shantie on the mic (from Marcus's myspace) - it has a fabulous mix from Perempay's "Hypnotic" into "Climate Change", and Shantie's pretty great over it too.

It's kind of like a better, more impacting, more focused version of "Pyramids".

oh there is an ilm thread, i had no idea! i spent much of the weekend getting into this - initial super-faves are the perempay & dee rmx of ma1/sophia's 'i'm right here' (so...blissful and generous), perempay and clea soul's 'time to let go' (she sounds like minnie riperton!), the tawiah rmx already mentioned here, and above all dj ng's 'tell me' - so ominous and propulsive!

"happy to boggle at footloose"

Yeah I'm increasingly thinking that Footloose is such an interesting selector, he's so rangy and unpredictable, though Marcus has the advantage of MCs.

But, like, that Suges "We Belong To The Night" track, which isn't even UK funky and is (I can only assume) pretty obscure, works perfectly enmeshed with pretty fucked up tracks from Aphrodisiax and the like. His sets are full of this kind of intuitive connection.

does anyone know of any archived Footloose shows? i'd love to have some to listen to away from the computer... agree 100% with the sentiments expressed above, he is a superb dj, amazing selection and sequencing

enjoyed your blog piece Tim

But, like, that Suges "We Belong To The Night" track, which isn't even UK funky and is (I can only assume) pretty obscure, works perfectly enmeshed with pretty fucked up tracks from Aphrodisiax and the like. His sets are full of this kind of intuitive connection.

yeah. at least one can rest smug in the knowledge we won't hear any dj gregory or seamus haji, though.

That DJ Gregory remix that starts off this week's show is excellent!

I think this is the key to Footloose's use of more "conventional" US house - quality control. Perhaps because he's not invested in some notion of the UK funky house scene as an elaborate homage to the US he seems to plump only for particularly catchy/inventive US tracks.

i take it his all-american house special for the 4th july was good then?

Probably, but I didn't catch that one so I'm not sure. Looks good though - lots of Kenny Dope.

tsk, set up the trap and now i cant be bothered. i agree with your original assertion of footloose as master juxtaposer, but then the idea that he's only like, creaming off the top of boring old house - i mean would you really have noticed 'we belong to the night' as something special if it were in a less kaleido context? i wouldntve. this follows on (praps overdeterminedly) from jacob's dig, which, while probably just being a well-meaning lunge for a bit of hype, also rings somewhat unfairly: "younger, hungrier, and freed almost entirely from the Chicago tradition" - young, hungry and free enough to giddily embrace chicago tradition until its not tradition anymore, maybe?

it's gonna be v interesting listening to a new set by marcus & co after all this footsie fun, anyway.

also o what joy to hear footloose say his mix of 'thats gangsta' is doing well and has a video that'll be on mtv! hah if some batshit spazz stomper with sheek louch shouting out d-block over and over ends up caning the charts then i actually will enlist in the navy or something ready 2 die for this excellent island.

really can't decide what to rave about most so far - maybe seani b 'lift me up', another vintage nasty crew style carnival tank; fuzzy logik 'cuban linq' and funky akatriel 'on & on', more salsa madness; or maybe the malice rmx of quentin harris, which is just fucking jawdropping

Dream Sellers – House Music Lives: a banger that doesnt lie

btw benjamin i'm taping these as of last week, will upload at some point

great news about the recordings :) many thanks!

natalie brooms' insane texas-via-birmingham diva elocution - "yr more to me than a faynt-a-see / buhlee me buy-bee ima muyk you seeeee" -somehow managing to redeem this rote tj cases number

I've only just started listening to this week's show and will have to listen to the rest tonight, but:

Yes! The Malice remix of Quentin's "My Joy" is simply massive, too-too-intense but also very respectful to the original track.

"On & On" is excellent also.

" i agree with your original assertion of footloose as master juxtaposer, but then the idea that he's only like, creaming off the top of boring old house - i mean would you really have noticed 'we belong to the night' as something special if it were in a less kaleido context? i wouldntve."

Yeah this is a good point. But I think that, because Footloose appears to consider soulfulness/deepness as a category of house music rather than the other way round, his US selections shore up rather than work against the essential diversity of the UK stuff.

Like, that Suges track is soulful and deep, and as you note it's deliberately used as a counterpoint to stuff like "Unfinished Business" which is at the other end of the spectrum. But beyond that, in and of itself it has a "something else" quality to it - a rhythmic irrepressibility perhaps - that makes it seem more than just a soulful/deep track. But you're right that it's the context in which it's spun that draws that "something else" quality out.

Even the all-US-house show seems to cover a really broad range - like, he uses the "all US" tag to justify playing stuff like "Who's Afraid Of Detroit".

Whereas sometimes with someone like Supa D you get the feeling that the devotion to the US stuff operates only insofar as US can be considered to be synonymous with a certain notion of soulfulness/deepness. This issue becomes especially clear when they do play the more obviously UK tracks because it's like there are two different vibes at work. Whereas the skill of Footloose's sets is that he makes it sound like one vibe.

I guess another way to look at it is that Footloose's particular style of wide-ranging "house" produces an aesthetic that portrays all its constituent parts - becoming house as it appears under the light of redemption.

I genuinely believe this: the thinking-about-house that this genre implies (at least when not too beholden to either extreme of US house traditionalism or the kind of post-dubstep parsimony that can see value in Apple and Roska but no-one else) is pretty much the ideal aesthetic take on the form, or the best since early Chicago.

Which is I guess what you're saying rtc when you say "young, hungry and free enough to giddily embrace chicago tradition until its not tradition anymore".

true enough about different dj vibes; perhaps when i lauded the health of the house scene i meant this, more than anything. mac 10 for instance - who i wasnt aware of even being into this stuff until i heard him sitting in for marcus last week - seems like he might be the median of marcus and footloose, with sort of a slightly chunkier grime kid sensibility. (havent put on the vu set yet mind.) quite interesting considering he was reknowned as a don of intensely focused jeff millsy micromixing when a grime dj.

The Malice remix of Quentin's "My Joy" is simply massive, too-too-intense but also very respectful to the original track.

yeah - how apposite to all this that some midlands fella's impure funkymix should also be the closest thing in forever (from what i've heard) to like, the essence of "house is a feeling" transcendence.

becoming house as it appears under the light of redemption

when you were wondered earlier why all this wasn't getting the exposure & exegesis of grime/2step/jungle i tried to imagine what the average punter was thinking, and haha the furthest i got - for all the innovations there've been, subtle and overt - was "just house music, innit." and then i realised that only a rattle-headed dissensian fool could ever consider this anything but a great thing.

Karizma – 33rd Street

haha, this is my carl craigy epic. you can find it on... GILLES PETERSON IN THE HOUSE EXCLUSIVES!!

http://www.amazon.com/Gilles-Peterson-House-Exclusives/dp/B0012JFCR4

which, jokes aside, actually looks like it might be banging.

ooh tawiah's 'every step' has a zed bias remix - anyone heard it?

Yeah I think that's right. So many people are getting stuck on the name in an almost entirely fetishistic manner - like, "I will not listen to this music until it comes up with a new name for exactly what it already is."

x-post Yeah Zed played it on his allstar mix the other week, i was deliriously tired when I listened but I think it was very much a Maddslinky kind of affair.

I just picked up a promo copy of the Peterson comp, but haven't listened to it enough to take in much apart from the annoying promo disclaimers.

i keep forgetting to register my adoration for the name "hard house banton".

It would be so awesome if those guys were like big Public Demand fans or something...

Anyway this:

i tried to imagine what the average punter was thinking, and haha the furthest i got - for all the innovations there've been, subtle and overt - was "just house music, innit." and then i realised that only a rattle-headed dissensian fool could ever consider this anything but a great thing.

...is exactly the reason for the Seamus Haji/freed from tradition stuff in the review. Because when I put up the Kyla review under the genre 'funky house' all the comments were basically in that vein e.g. "funky house? I didn't realise it was still 2002."

In fact I can't actually decide if I even WANT to convince these types of the worth of UK funky.

Anyway "Bring back the routemaster" is getting a proper release shortly. Reckon it'll be a novelty hit?

yeah man, fuck a pyrrhic victory.

Anyway "Bring back the routemaster" is getting a proper release shortly. Reckon it'll be a novelty hit?

hah i imagine lying-ass boris johnson hopes not.

Tim, is there any set I could hear the Roska remix of Footloose's Just Leave on?

I'm really struggling to keep up with this scene, its been producing so much good stuff in such a short time. Really reminds me of how lost I felt when I first starting downloading grime vinyl rips off of DC++ in 2004.

I'm glad I can buy this music, took me forever to track down some of that grime on vinyl.

I've been pretty one note on this thread haven't I.

I'm off to listen to as many radio sets as my roommates can stand.

Um it's been on the last few Footloose sets on 1xtra but I don't think it's on the new one. It's surprisingly subdued, although very Roska sounding - sorta halfway between "Just Leave" and the original "Feeline".

I really want to hear the Fingerprint remix though!

The DJ Jazzcool mix of Aaliyah's "Rock The Boat" is just lovely. The beats on this insane, but they complement rather than undermine the prettiness and fragility of the original.

Remixes of old tracks are quite useful from a critical-taxonomic perspective as well because they really train yr ears to the points-of-difference in the groove and production.

What is interesting re funky vis a vis 2-step (compare/contrast this remix with, say, "Stone Cold") is how, despite the greater proximity to house, the more avant end of funky often has less of the smooth "flow" I associate with 2-step. This remix feels arrested almost, like the producer has seized on a particular moment of groove-tension and turned it into an entire track. Probably something to do with the tempo: at the slightly slower speed the beats are heavier, so any syncopation has a deeply satisfying air of portentousness to it. You can't get past it. So a (relatively) smaller amount of syncopation has a greater impact.

I'm really not making sense. Listen to the track on Footloose's show and maybe some of what I'm trying to articulate will come across.

OMG "Cuban Linq"! Fuzzy Logic just seems to burst with ideas doesn't he. His "Polyfunk" is amazing too. These tracks (and "Leader" and "Twiss" obv) are just so restless, he can't resist piling new ideas on top of one another.

Probably the producer who makes the unacknowledged Basement Jaxx heritage most explicit.

Wookie & Ny's "Fallen" - so lush! (I guess Galleon deserves the credit for that though). Too too much goodness here.

"What is interesting re funky vis a vis 2-step (compare/contrast this remix with, say, "Stone Cold") is how, despite the greater proximity to house, the more avant end of funky often has less of the smooth "flow" I associate with 2-step. This remix feels arrested almost, like the producer has seized on a particular moment of groove-tension and turned it into an entire track. Probably something to do with the tempo: at the slightly slower speed the beats are heavier, so any syncopation has a deeply satisfying air of portentousness to it. You can't get past it. So a (relatively) smaller amount of syncopation has a greater impact.

I'm really not making sense."

i think it makes perfect sense. to expand on what you mention, a great deal of 2step dealt with micro-samples for percussion... tight and clipped fragments which built incredibly slick grooves. obviously you had some exceptions but broadly this was the case. wheras funky producers seem to relish a chunkier, lengthier, more clumsy sample palette. this automatically introduces a greater degree of 'arrest' or wonk, as rhythmic emphasis within any given hit is spread further away from the rhythmic grid. maybe im not making sense any more now!

another thing i was thinking about in a more technical sense is that most of these tracks have their drum programming set 'straight' rather than with the swing settings we associate with 2step. i think that by doing this, but of course with the syncopated echoes of garage and beyond in their minds, the producers are opening up many new possibilities of grooves. in this sense grime has obvious relevance, in its angularity and stiff rhythms

i think also in both of these (and many more) senses Wookie was a visionary

Hmm do you mean Wookie's old tracks? Cos yeah I can see how stuff like "Down On Me" really sets the tone for funky's rhythms in a lot of ways.

I'm glad you understood the point I was trying to get at! Yr reference to micro-samples is spot on, 2-step grooves could be astonishingly detailed without all that details necessarily interfering with the slickness o fthe groove.

The extent to which funky house mediates between 2-step and grime is very interesting in this regard: retaining grime's angularity but reinjecting it with sensuality. (it was perhaps the attempt to render the stiffness of grime sensuous on a groove level that makes KT Pearl's "Mr DJ" another obvious ancestor to this stuff in my opinion - in a way that, say, "Leave Me Alone" or Terra Danjah's productions aren't)

yeh precisely, Down On Me was the main track I had in mind, but some others apply too i think. on an anecdotal level, i've always been struck how it is near impossible to get Down On Me to sit in a mix with other 2step, then the other week i mixed it with Feeline VIP and it was like the grooves were built for one another..

another technical aspect to the rhythmic comparison is that wheras with 2 step (and much 90s/00s house) the emphasis was on fidgeting or jacking hihats and light-touch, minute syncopated ghost hits, mostly in the higher frequencies, with funky the hats seem to play a largely seconday role, while weightier (both in frequency and 'size') percussive elements take precedence in the groove.

Spyro getting mucky on Rinse right now.

"Wookie was a visionary"

Absolutely, and he rarely gets the credit he deserves, not least from dubsteppers who've somehow written him out of the liturgy. But the man conquered wonky+rude years ago and his rhythmic sense is incredible. Even on a 4x4 the bassline will be tugging at all sorts of odd angles. I haven't heard much of his post-2004ish material, but he certainly foreshadowed aspects of the English take on Funky with some his Manchu beats.

I would love to hear Terror Danjah get on this stuff! Talk about mucked up riddimic sensibilities. And he has a sense of humour too.

My GOD the Malice remix of "My Joy" is probably the greatest house track ever. It's like the skies open and you can suddenly see through time. It has actually made me tear up in response to its metaphysical largesse.

So OF COURSE Footloose mixes straight into "Feeline (VIP MIx)". I'm starting to think he gets a kick out of making his transitions as ostentatious as possible.

i wish i had time to listen to these sets, they sound so hot :(

yeah, the way footloose uses feeline vip - last week after delio d'cruz, equally insane, equally amazing - as like, an ideological swiss army jackknife is pretty much the crux of what's been said recently. funny really how you almost wanna keep a wary eye on feeline, given the way it rubs the continuuist belly so jarringly, but deploy properly and it's undeniably devastating. (still hope no one ever makes another one, though.)

malice's 'my joy' reminds me of 'knights of the jaguar', a bit.

cos if
i
thought
youuuuuu were the end all
and my be all
i would never have left you alone and i wouldnt be on my own and i'd never left you alone and i wouldnt be on my own and i'd never left you alone and i wouldnt be on my own and i'd never left you alone and i wouldnt be on my own and i'd never left you alone and i wouldnt be on my own and i'd never left you alone and i wouldnt be on my own and i'd never left you alone and i wouldnt be on my own and i'd never left you alone and i wouldnt be on my own and i'd never left you alone and i wouldnt be on my own and i'd never left you alone and i wouldnt be on my own and i'd never left you alone and i wouldnt be on my ownand i'd never left you alone and i wouldnt be on my own and i'd never left you alone and i wouldnt be on my own and i'd never left you alone and i wouldnt be on my own and i'd never left you alone and i wouldnt be on my ownand i'd never left you alone and i wouldnt be on my ownand i'd never left you alone and i wouldnt be on my own and i'd never left you alone and i wouldnt be on my own NO WAY NO WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

like, how can it be that it sounds both ever stronger AND ever weaker at the same time? tru sorcery

siah alan, here's a bit of footloose v roska:

http://www.zshare.net/audio/16356255b57530b3/

actually fucking hilarious that this of all tunes gets the dubstep treatment!!

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AH3DM3HA

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8DCPTR5L

ok here's last weeks and this weeks footloose shows for dl - plz excuse any slight skipping in there, did my best. MATT DC, RONAN, EVERYBODY, COME ONNNNN. blueski put away your lacrate nonsense, you too.

i know the track that started this thread is old news now, haaa, but i played it out last night (segue from cece p. 'finally') and it held the crowd the whole time ^_^

Yeah but "The Whole Night" is the gift that keeps on giving - I mean, I've hardly heard a set that doesn't have it, still.

"malice's 'my joy' reminds me of 'knights of the jaguar', a bit."

This is spot-on. It's "Knights of the Jaguar" blown up into a massive diva anthem.

Reynolds weighs in on funky house.

damn. uptown had hard house banton's siren ep for about 8 hours today. already sold out :(

What's the tracklist?

i have avoided this so far because i do not get the love for Crazi Cousins stuff at all altho it's interesting that 'Jaguar' is mentioned because i realised the track that 'do you mind' remix's bassline was reminding me of was octave one's 'blackwater'

Re: Hardhouse Banton tracklist - A side was 'Sirens' and 'Reign' for sure. Less sure about the flip. Possibly 'The Music' and then one more. It said test press so hopefully there'll be more.

Of the four Hard House Banton tracks I know - those three plus "Turn It Around" - I reckon "Sirens" is probably the weakest actually, although still pretty good. Love the gothic backing vocals on "Reign".

One of my favourites for some time has been the bootleg remix of DJ Spen & DJ Technics' 'Gabryelle' by Diamondz In Da Ruff. I'd heard other official remixes of 'Gabryelle' being played for ages by funky DJs, and I think the original came out a few years ago now, but this mix is absolutley incredible. I think what appeals most is the almost menacing swagger of the beats in this refix.
Once again, like Steve Gurley in jungle/ukg and Macabre Unit in grime before them, these guys are somewhat north of London (bedford/mk) but are making crucial contributions.

I've just found this Funky site too.

btw I'd like to take credit for some of the marcus nasty adoration due to my post here a while back!

Yeah I love those synth choir stabs on Reign. They remind me of 1991-ish Hypnotist. I see what you mean about Sirens but I really like it in the mix - seems tailor made for Frontline too.

I really hope that Gabryelle version comes out.

How about "bongle"?

eurgh

damn. uptown had hard house banton's siren ep for about 8 hours today. already sold out :(

yeh i know! i was ready to sprint out of work on friday but they sold out so quick. definitely just tps though, that tune is going to be one of the biggest this year i reckon. i like Sirens a lot, its simple but so muscular, the most ridiculously powerful groove. looking forward to checking the rest of the EP

simon reynolds - "few things irritate me more than soca"

?! unbelievable.

although seriously does anyone know what that tune is he chats about from Marcus Nasty April?... that one is too much, haven't heard it anywhere else yet though

also, many thanks r|t|c, very much appreciated :)

also on the Wookie as visionary thing, African Warrior is pure Wookie / Exemen

That tune is by grime producer Chunky Bizzle, Ben. Not sure what's it called.

I aint even that huge into soca but simon reynolds wtf

now jamming: bongo jam

-- The Reverend, Sunday, May 11, 2008 9:35 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link

-- deej, Thursday, June 12, 2008 5:17 AM (Thursday, June 12, 2008 5:17 AM) Bookmark Link

I need to jam some Apple but I can't find mp3s of his shit

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^^^^^ complete incompatability of tastes

i mean fuck, half of what I love about funky is that it sounds like reggaeton

and soca too

And where next after bongomania? Steel drum sounds?!?

I would totally approve of this

if it works for ringtone rap...

otm

the other half of what I love about funky house other than it sounding like reggaeton and soca is that it kinda sounds like...uh... house

yeah

ha ha that's three strikes for simon.

Really it's nice that this has come along in such a down year for reggaeton. I need to get my fill of BOOM-ch-boom-CHICK somewhere.

Still keen to ID that Jagged Edge-sampling track on the Marcus Nasty + Rankin and Shantie show from April. I'm wondering if it's by Target - Marcus announces at the beginning of the show that he's got a track from Target he'll be playing later, and the piano plus moody synth bassline combo would seem to be right up Target's alley.

cheers for that ID Tim.

i might be wrong but i have an inkling that that Jagged Edge tune is Producer Mario, the aesthetic, vibe and samples all seem to fit perfectly. but ive been wrong about these things before. i guess also the percussion doesn't fit so well

Ben you might be right. It's odd how producers often don't put their best tracks on their myspace pages.

Meanwhile I think I underestimated initially how much of a prospective anthem "Frontline" is.

Re SR's complaint of too much bongo-style percussion and evocation of live percussionists at house nights in the early 90s... This seems like an argumentative sleight of hand. The analogy implies a necessary reduction in vibe/intensity and air of anti-perspirant refinement: only tracks that are already relatively sedate could easily be accompanied by live percussionists, and the implication is that the music is not interesting enough by itself, it needs the added distraction of live percussionists.

But the funny thing about UK "funky house" is how the specific sounds are being used in an entirely different manner.

Something like DJ Naughty's "Quicktime (VIP Mix)" - a massive, inescapable anthem - is basically a grime 8-bar, with bongo samples and piano chords replacing electroid-beats and synth stabs. Rather than ripple calmly across the top of the groove, the bongo samples take centre stage and they're wielded aggressively.

someone PLEASE tell me where i can download some of these tracks, particularly the new Wookie ones. in this day & age, there's no way i'm buying records straight from the UK like I did in the olden days, not with the dollar in such shitty condition. Help an old 2-Step head!

listened to some of the Footloose show - wow why the hell is 90% of this stuff getting the 'house' label again let alone funky?

'housoca'

APHRODISIAX - UNFINISHED BUSINESS

yeah this is really something!

DJ Naughty interview on that site Ach! linked to is interesting:

"Now it's just simplicity my formula is stabby chords, Melodic bass and a mad beat for me really it's all in the groove of the drum pattern that does a lot"

Can anyone ID the track on the Marcus Nasty + Rankin set from June with the raucous soca beats and the bleepy melody somewhere between LFO and acid house? It's at about the 80 minute mark sandwiched between "Devil In A Blue Dress" and JME's "Blanka".

Actually I think it's by Little Silver (grimiest producer on road?)...

BTW thanks RTC for the Footloose sets and that JME track!

I was listening to Star In The Hood again today - so good. Any word on the new JME and Tinchy Strider albums? Good/bad/indifferent?

Ha vaguely prescient:

One thing I could really see take off is really colourful 4X4 grime, which this sorta fits - sort of like a new take on soca-house.

-- Tim F, Thursday, December 6, 2007 1:56 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark Link

you mean tinch's cloud 9 mixtape? it's very good though haven't given it enough of a chance to go beyond that yet. haven't heard the jme album...star in the hood was one of those albums which i loved on first listen, then forgot about and assumed i overrated it due to basic competence, then about five months after that it totally blew me away. how good is 'dance 4 now'?? BOK BOK BOK BOK! and ny is just gorgeous on 'hands of time'.

anyway the amount of goodness here is totally overwhelming and amazing...the footloose set from the 29th is really great. the wookie/ny track is special indeed (as are, oh, about 947843033823 others that i've heard these past two weekends)

No isn't there a new official Tinchy album? With "StryderMan" as first single?

Fresh cut Roska interview with input from me, TimF and and Siah...

http://www.riddim.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=129&Itemid=1

More in the works!

Mario - Mario Play The Bloodclart Bass

about 66mins in on the Marcus NASTY mix

Absolutely sublime

as much as i'd like to chop it up about jme and such, i think i'd much rather see luke skykicker overcome the dark forces of professional politesse and end his father's evil reign already.

congratulations to all at the riddim.ca global recon unit for an enlightening read anyway.

"as much as i'd like to chop it up about jme and such, i think i'd much rather see luke skykicker overcome the dark forces of professional politesse and end his father's evil reign already."

I lost the thread of the extended metaphor somewhere here!

Unless you mean do a hack job on blissblog.

i read that as excellent metaphor.

I'M AN AFRICAN WAAAAAAARRIOR
ROLLIN SARCASTIC OUT OF HAND

are you listening to this btw?!?!?! its incredible!

What is "this"?

footloose!

Oh the tracklisting hasn't been updated so I didn't realise the new show was up. I'm at work but will check it out later today...

hang on the girl on perempay's 'in the air' IS KATIE PEARL!

wheres the link to the footloose mix? if its 1xtra the link i found wasnt working for some reason

For serious though my response to funky house negativity is slowly taking shape in the form of handwritten notes towards a blog entry.

I felt a vicious screed full of ad hominems brewing over the last day or two, but I remembered a certain piece about 2-step in the Wire and decided not to take shots at one of the critics I respect most on Earth.

I would like to register some mild disappointment that Simon isn't into this stuff though.

nice one Paul et al for the interview with Roska! im very very very excited to see what kind of stuff he is gonna be turning out next! vocal Roska tracks mmm

re the Simon Reynolds article, i have a lot of love for him and his writing (currently reading Bring the Noise, its so good), in his prime his work is probably the most exciting music journalism i've ever read, but that piece is so full of subjectivity and holes... it seems like quite a personal response really

He doesn't "believe in beats" anymore. Not even funky ones.

haaaaa after ribbing blueski upthread OF COURSE the thing i was going mad for should turn out to be an imperceptibly remixed 'samir's theme' on lacrate's label. context i am ur bitch 4ever.

though if footloose really wants to please me he'll have to chuck in like, sarai 'ladies' and 'take it 2 tha house' for the full 2003 flave.

Listening now. Wau Geeneus "As I"! That endlessly rising hook! Fuzzy Logic does the same thing on "Polyfunk" but here it sounds positively Belgian.

Also the way "Take It Low" kicks off in sped-up mode lends a deeply satisfying air of frantic enthusiasm to proceedings.

"Unknown – Samir’s Theme (Arms Remix)"

OMG. Actually apart from reminding me of soca as per, this kinda backs up the idea I had the other day that on an overall, from a distance perspective, funky house most resembles brazilian funk.

some eloquent hopscotch this week. love the way footsie bookends his cheese with the supposedly experimental jobs in this passage:

Roska – Pyramids
Martin Solveig – Madan (Marco Del Horno Remix)
Daddy Funk ft Nicole Tyler – The Disco Killed My Brain
Jon Cutler – It’s Yours (David Penn Remix) (Defected)
Aphrodisiax – Keep It Moving

then twice alternating various dj spen and aphrodisiax tunes, and then 'kissing strangers' with fuzzy logik 'work the love' (which is fantastic, reminds me of manix a bit). you see his point.

surprised he's never played crazy cousinz 'dont u like the way' (3rd track into the mac10 best of vocal funky mix) though - would go a treat with the mc lev and lonyo in particular.

tim otm re geeneus 'as i' - all his funky's been pure class. beggars belief that this is the same guy who made all that tedious grimeboy fodder.

Delinquent ft Kcat – I Got You (Delio D’Cruz Mix)
Diamond ft Kele Le Roc – Nothing (Ragz2Riches)

are turning into real favourites too.

"Delinquent ft Kcat – I Got You (Delio D’Cruz Mix) "

This in particular is dope.

Yeah I always thought Geeneus was overrated when he made grime - except for, like, co-producing "Know We" and... um... he did "Poppadoms" yeah?

yeah. 'poppadoms' also overrated in my book though.

on an overall, from a distance perspective, funky house most resembles brazilian funk.

-- Tim F, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 15:27 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

sort of feel you lose twice as much as you gain with this observation, just by virtue of sailing so close to playing into hater hands. it's probably true i suppose, overall, from a distance, but...

I can't even remember the sound of "Poppadoms" now. Actually it was just "Wizzbit" redux wasn't it. "Wizzbit" was good. I'm loyal to pretty much any and every grime 8-bar used on that first Nasty Crew mix.

Yeah actually I refrained from making the brazilian funk comparison in my blog posts precisely for that reason (Simon R dislikes funk too if I recall, or is indifferent, or whatever). But I think it only plays into hater hands insofar as everyone already sells funk short, much for the same reasons as they would funky house (oh, it's just a familiar beat spiced up with extra percussion).

As far as I'm aware I'm the only person who heard a massive advance in the groove-science of funk in the More Favela Booty Beats comp from late 06/early 07 when compared to that first comp in that series (and those comps are almost the start and the end of my engagement with the genre). When I reviewed it I said I wouldn't be surprised if it set the agenda for interesting groove-based music to come, not expecting to this to happen of course. The idea being that a focus on (relatively) lo-fi bi-polar percussive clutter offered a way of avoiding the diminishing returns angle of intricate post-Timbaland percussion loops (which defined both 2-step and grime in different ways).

its not that important but i don't agree about Geeneus' grime... Old Skool, Old Skool 2, Jam Hot, Jamnite, Shocka are all classics imo, aside from his PAUG productions. obviously at the darker techier end of things but i still love them. i agree though that it is bizarre to hear his transition into Funky, although Yellowtail has definitely got a techy underbelly i feel

i didnt just want to write "i hate baile funk therefore balls to this opinion", you see.

does anyone know what that one with what sounds like a sample of a cd pullback pitched up and down? "weeeeee... we should be together for eternity" - that tune is deep... Marcus Nasty from June at about 11 mins

also anyone know the second tune in to Marcus Nasty from Deja April... "In the name of love". just discovered that i'd never clocked the 1st track of that set! pleasing, that set is a favourite

I'm a bit baffled by all the talk about this stuff like it's some typically London thing - D'n'B, UK Garage, Grime, proper home-grown genres allright, but exactly this kind of syncopated soca-fied funky house has been played everywhere in France, Spain, Holland, Portugal, Brazil for years now. I mean, how different is Bongo Jam from something like Curtir? That UK producers are now importing this sound from their Mediterranean holidays probably was inevitable (the age-old route) and I'm not trying to sound all "respect the originators" but I'm genuinely interested if (and why) you guys think this is more noteworthy than all the non-UK funky house out there?

but as with UK garage, it is (the beginnings of) a homegrown sound which has its roots in one which was imported... if you check the likes of Marcus Nasty or Mak 10 you can hear the emergence of a very distinctively new flavour and approach. Crazi Couzins are a bad reference point to draw conclusions from i think, because they walk the line so finely between convention, pop appeal and the uk vibe... people like Roska, Producer Mario, General Malice, Little Silver, Hard House Banton etc are making music unlike anything i've heard previously. but its also exciting because at the moment you have these weird avant-garde pieces of house sitting at one end of a spectrum stretching to more conventional stuff, all of which is treated completely differently on radio / in clubs, with mcs toasting, pull-ups, aggressive mixing etc.

also, everyone knows that UK music is avant-garde nuum-pushing ish whereas that stuff is cheesy euro-crap. Duh. Anglophones FTW.

"does anyone know what that one with what sounds like a sample of a cd pullback pitched up and down? "weeeeee... we should be together for eternity" - that tune is deep... Marcus Nasty from June at about 11 mins"

This is "Speechless" by Mystery.

Yeah Siegbran I'd say it depends on the tracks - "UK funky house" stretches from conventional funky house through to stuff that really isn't house at all (e.g. Dub Boy's "Funky Underground" or Little Silver's "Seasons"). "Bongo Jam" is a bit like the single edit version of "Sweet Like Chocolate" in this regard - it's a (great) track where the specific sonic differences of the scene as a whole are not particularly noticeable. But at least 2-step had its beat as a central defining quality - with UK funky house there's no single strategy of deviation from house per se, but a variety of such strategies. It's really only by listening to, say, a whole Footloose set, that you get a sense of the overall scene aesthetic.

where is footloose set

You can stream 'em on the 1xtra site. Don't know about a download though...

Here's an RA stream link:

rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/1xtra/footloose.ra

for the past 3 weeks the archive audio for Footloose's 1XTRA shows hasn't been working for me: 'Audio stream is unavailable at this time' (same result from RA link above). other shows (e.g. Cameo) are working fine though. possibly a glitch with BBC's new iPlayer - on BBC's forums there's mention of possible problems for overseas listeners with some shows (why this one?!!!).

if not for r|t|c I wouldn't have been able to hear the shows (except live) - thanks! (new one please anyone?) also thanks Tim for bringing the vibe!

This is "Speechless" by Mystery.

cheers Tim! any idea about the other one i mention? sounds more US maybe but still something about it says UK i feel

with UK funky house there's no single strategy of deviation from house per se, but a variety of such strategies.

yeh this is true. the coming years will be very interesting in this regard, to see which deviations become dominant. but it also reinforces how worthwhile it is to savour what is happening right now!

Yeah I don't know that one! It's quite broken beat-ish as well isn't it, the bit where it cuts to just the bass and syncopated beat is insane. That sounds very UK to me - perhaps sampling a US tune though.

Love Shantie's riffing on the title over the top. In my head I always remember him saying "We'll tell 'em that we did it in the name of love!" - like he, Marcus and Rankin' have been arrested for high treason or something. But whenever I listen to that set i realise that this is purely a figment of my imagination.

Of course my favourite Shantie bit on that set (for reasons that should be obvious) is when he's talking about how lucky you are to be hearing the set and that if you're taping it "Don't give it out!... In fact what am I talkin' about?? SEND IT TO AUSTRALIA!"

Yeah I don't know that one! It's quite broken beat-ish as well isn't it, the bit where it cuts to just the bass and syncopated beat is insane. That sounds very UK to me - perhaps sampling a US tune though.

yeh thats what i figured, cos the vocal im pretty sure is from an older US track, i swear i remember it from some chicago deep house set or something, but the beats and general aesthetic imply new UK or a surprisingly coincidental likeness

Love Shantie's riffing on the title over the top. In my head I always remember him saying "We'll tell 'em that we did it in the name of love!" - like he, Marcus and Rankin' have been arrested for high treason or something. But whenever I listen to that set i realise that this is purely a figment of my imagination.

Of course my favourite Shantie bit on that set (for reasons that should be obvious) is when he's talking about how lucky you are to be hearing the set and that if you're taping it "Don't give it out!... In fact what am I talkin' about?? SEND IT TO AUSTRALIA!"

haha! he is a really good MC i think, really vibesy. downloaded a Mak 10 set recently and it was interesting to hear how much more aggressively the MC dominated proceedings. makes for a really good contrast though

i just bought a Babyface Jay & Mystery 12 from 2002 from a bargain bin, quite interesting... one side quite rolling 'soca-beat' garage, a bit like an understated 'Decoy', which is quite decent, but the other is a really horrific moody breakbeaty thing! crazy

hey deej i dont know if you saw but rtc had linked to some footloose shows just up there ^^^

http://www.dealbreaker.com/images/entries/McDonalds%20I

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UK funky house stretches from conventional funky house through to stuff that really isn't house at all

Of course, but that's true everywhere - all over the world funky house has become a mish-mash of reggaeton, salsa, soca, jamaican toasting, tribal, electrohouse, etc. And much as I like those 1extra radio shows, apart from the occasional bassline-tune and British-accented MCs I don't really hear much that's fundamentally different from what's happening elsewhere (yet). Local flavour yes, new paradigm no.

But I guess it's another one of those "you would have to be there to understand" scenes then.

tim f isnt from 'there'

where are these other places where this stuff is coming together? id love to hear stuff outside london doing similar things, this is just the most accessible

crazy cousinz remix of 'july' is hot

Well you had the whole Africanism project a few years ago (mostly French) which added lots of african and carribean music to the mix, Dr. Kucho in Spain, local dudes from here like Olav Basoski, Billy The Klit, Chuckie, Afrojack, DJ Hardwell, Sidney Samson, Roog, Laidback Luke, Rishi Romero, Vato Gonzales (some mixtapes for download there).

Siegbran I know Africanism stuff and if that's what you mean it sounds totally different! Not in a bad way, but it's not nearly as, um, wot do you call it... URBAN!?

I mean, I would argue that actual pop-minded Bob Sinclar is closer to UK funky house than the Africanism stuff is. And I have always been a relative defender of stuff like "Rock This Party".

But I will check out Vato Gonzales. Downloading his mixtape now.

I do think you're right that UK funky house is very much in the vein of other "melting pot" scenes (this is one of Reynolds' objections to it - adopting the argument that (to paraphrase) all the melting pot does is mix familiar flavours without creating or discovering a new flavour).

There is, as such, what i would call a plausible deniability to any claims to innovation - even where new things are being done, because they're achieved through convergences between the sonic tactics of multiple styles (rather than a linear process of intensification largely internal to the style - as you got in early-to-mid nineties jungle) you can always point to other convergences in other melting pot scenes that approximate a similar feeling.

A strict modernist take will thus find any such claims to innovations to be either false or potentially true but tenuous and partial only.

My very much post-UK Garage relationship to "funky house" is based on my conviction that the value of UK Garage was not solely its modernist qualities (beats you ain't never heard before) but its multivalency, the way in which different sonic and stylistic components entered into a really productive and largely non-heirarchical relationship with one another so as to become something more than and entirely different from the sum of their parts. The relationship between the sonic components, reference points and influences that made up UK Garage and the overall finished product is something akin to that between individual stars and the constellation that they form when taken together. The irreducibility of this constellation to the influence of any particular star can be seen in the fact that, when the music's moment past, it didn't just go down the sink quality-wise but actually disappeared to all intents and purposes (c.f. drum & bass) - only so long as these stars were articulated together was the music visible and viable - from 2002 onwards all those stars got drawn into different constellations.

I think that UK funky house shows increasing evidence of modernism if you know where to look, but this isn't the primary attraction for me: it's rather the way in which it echoes UK garage in its production of a constellation (albeit a different one) where the arrangement of the (familiar) individual components is what takes on supreme importance. The same components arranged differently would not produce the same result.

One key quality of this arrangement being an ever-so-slightly greater ambivalence to "house" as a constraining factor (though it's less ambivalent than many, say, dissensians might like it to be) - UK funky house cannot decide whether to articulate its components fully in terms of "house", whereas I think most other comparable "melting pot" house scenes have a much a heavier dose of house stock, which ties everything together into a vibe whose ultimate uniformity belies the diversity of the source material. (arguably this ambivalence is directly related to a flirting with the "urban" qualities are note above: it's the tug-of-war between these two qualities that really defines the sense of equipoise you get in this music).

it seems to me that 'funky house' is as much a style of djing as it is a style of production, to the degree that lots of these remixes are pretty simply rhythmic template changes that arent very substantive otherwise, at least in ways that would signify TOTALLY NEW GENRE - so just listening to 'track 2' on the on-site player @ vato's website it sounds like something that would easily be incorporated here

regardless, nothing like this gets any play in chicago ... i check a pretty wide variety of house music venues but this stuff is pretty nonexistent. Anything w/ a soca rhythm or whatever ... the only shit 'hipsters' are on is that annoying nurave/juke/crunk/bmore amalgamation, and otherwise its pretty much straight up HOUSE, nothing that sounds remotely like this w/ the diff rhythmic styles, soca/reggaeton rhythm

(i mean a pretty damn wide variety of house, it is chicago after all, but nothing w/ toasting or tropical syncopated non-house drums at all)

seani b 'lift me up', another vintage nasty crew style carnival tank

so hot btw

whenever dudes would say "carnival" about a grime song i think i almost always hated it but this has a lot more rhythmic grace than grime which i think is why im a lot more attracted to it on the whole

Ha ha on Blissblog SR complained that maybe for the first time the next Notting Hill Carnival will actually sound like a Rio Carnival - I had been thinking of the same possibility in my head only as a really positive thing!

Listening to that Vato mix now -sounds great! Okay Siegbran I can sort of see your point. Vahid has to hear this: it's like Jess & Crabbe come back to life!

The main point of difference I'd mention - apart from the use of MCs in UK funky house - is perhaps the 8-bar structure of a lot of the grimier tunes, which I think gives the music a more palsied stop-start quality, whereas this Vato mix for all its superficial similarities is pushing more of an endless beat or verse-chorus structure. Still, pretty amazing - thanks for the tip!

One thing I particularly like about that Vato mix is how it seems to liberate the potential I hear in Fedde De Grand's production style, that strong sense that it could get really ants-in-yr-pants compulsive if it dropped the repressive electro-house baggage (he actually manages this on his Ida Corr collab-o "Let Me Think About It", which could fit onto Vato's mix pretty easily).

um, major lol @ "vato gonzalez" being born Björn Franken

being bjorn

I'm really enjoying his mix though! Ironically, though, not really in the same way that I enjoy UK funky - sorry siegbran (but thanks for the link).

It reminds me a lot of Moonbootica's DJ Sounds Good mix - eclectic, percussive electro-pop-house, only with Fedde's influence taking the place of, um, Ewan Pearson I guess was the reference point for Moonbootica at the time. Plus added latino-caribbean influences definitely. But the music is fun due to its reliable facility with a good riff and excellent layering and general post-boompty bounciness - the counter-rhythms really do feel like window-dressing surround the basic house thump, much in the way sceptics claim UK funky works. This is not a bad thing though - nothing wrong with a good house groove!

Correct, guys like Vato are coming from the electro house side but that's only one aspect of it, you also have DJs like Chuckie who come from the caribbean party scene - ten years ago that was all soca and hiphop with some UK garage imports thrown in, now those guys are also into electro house and baile funk and basline and everything else that works and those sets have much less of a 'house groove' vibe. Local Moroccan-born MCs and R&B singers here have also discovered that guesting on these 'dirty house' records is more lucrative than trying to sound like local clones of Jeezy and R Kelly, which is also an interesting development. Obviously every scene is different, the Spanish guys have more reggaeton and salsa, the French more african-sounding stuff (yes most of the Africanism project is dire tribal but there's some good stuff to) and, heh, tektonik, Italians seem to be into that Balkan beats thing. I don't claim to be a full expert on all this (I don't go clubbing as much as I used to) and I think the UK scene probably has more potential if only for its proven ability but I really see this more as one big pan-European movement - the reaction against the quite sonically uniform and segregated house, trance and techno scenes of the years before. A truly populist version of the whole Soulwax/Playgroup 'eclectic DJing' phenomenon too.

Coming home to a new Footloose set is about the only thing making my current cold bearable.

I'm in London really briefly for a business trip and want to go see some UK funky on friday - does anyone know a good source of info about what's on? Only thing I've spotted so far is something called "House Arrest" at club E3 with MA1, but I'm sure there must be more...

i am eagerly anticipating the explosion of this into the uk charts - and with it actual mp3s of tracks becoming available - when people get back from napa. i would also love to know how people find the time to listen to all these sets, but they are amazing, thanks for uploading them everyone who has. am intending to go to a funky rave soon, was going to go to one in dagenham at the weekend but a friend was putting on a rival night down the road from my flat

Was that the one on sat with Kyla and Crazi Cousinz? I wanted to go to that, but fly off too soon. Anyway I'm certain "do you mind" will crush the charts when it gets its release on Ministry this month...

very pleasing

Fantastic! That has to be one of my absolute favourites at the moment.

very pleasing
indeed! i just wish uptown didn't have a near monopoly on this stuff. great shop but their overseas shipping is crazy expensive and rhythm division seems to have vanished from the web. promising signs from juno download - i hope roska's mp3/wav releases prove to be the tip of the iceberg on that front.

ah! 'unfinished business' has clicked with me now, belatedly. tim was right about it suffering in isolation (though the isolation was probably my own) - sitting down, merely a clammy tap-drip schematical echoplex; out & about, why it sucks in its cheeks and struts like the music in naomi campbell's head! autechre i never knew ye.

nonetheless it is still quite pleasing that their follow-up, or at least the one footloose chooses to play, is a super cheesy west ldn wine bar groover.

also

mr mathz - 'preachers daughter'...!! the tune that has everything

Yeah "Unfinished Business" is a very perspectival tune - yeah when I was listening to this set last I was thinking that the tune makes more sense as "funky" if you train yr ears to the strut of the kickdrums. rtc did you hear Aphrodisiax's "Keep It Moving", which Footloose has played in previous weeks? That's still a bit of a headfuck but subtler and sexier than "Unfinished Business".

"Preacher's Daughter" is great! Such a perverse progression: starts off kinda straightforward vocal house, then the counter-snare comes in, and then that insane "together... together..." breakdown section with the rhythmic explosions and rave riffs and big bassline. Such a WTF moment.

"Whatever The Weather" (the other Aphrodisiax track from this week) strikes me as a very typical Bugz in the Attic kinda affair, although even they might blanch at the organ solo! Which is I guess what you mean by "super cheesy west ldn wine bar groover". I'm not sure if I made it to a wine bar during my trips to London. I went to bars certainly, and one was in West London, but i don't know if it meets the definition of "wine bar" - if it's basically the bar and a corridor with stools and everyone jammed in tight drinking cocktails or shots, it's just a "bar", right?

Anyway Footloose for once goes for a non-perverse transition playing it right after two Bugz remixes.

"Every Step (Arms Remix)" I still love you.

My "Sometimes I Wake Up Early In The Morning To Play My Con-Con-Congo" Facebook Group still only has four members, all of them ILX users... :-( Where is the groundswell of support.

"Every Step (Arms Remix)" I still love you.

2nded! it also sent me back to tawiah's own ep, the way the arms remix frames her voice refracts very well on to her own sparser stuff.

i can never decide whether vocals would be the icing on top of 'unfinished business' and 'mr bean', or would be a bad idea.

Hard to imagine a vocal managing to prettify "Mr Bean", although i guess Lorraine Cato managed a similar feat on my beloved "Pulse X (Vocal Mix)". "Unfinished Business" would probably work with some kinda minimal dancehall-ish vocal. House diva possibly a bad idea.

i think both might work with someone like ny, who wouldn't prettify it so much as, um, icify it? talking of ny i really cannot get enough of her vocal on 'fallin' again' - when she starts riffing on "free" at the end is just, you know, tears unfrosting eyes

that seany b 'lift me up' track needs to appear on the internet/seany b's myspace/anywhere else

words of truth

to paraphrase the bulk of this thread, wine bar is a feeling.

(i did have the exact same reservations as you about using it, actually, but i dont think modernity has furnished us with an equivalent term for the 'whatever the weather' type places, usually populated by funky-minded down-to-earth spanish and indeed, australian type folk. and lots of english too, tbf. but never russian. does anyone know what i'm on about.)

not so big on 'every step'. to me it has a sort of rng pointlessness that only melts away when the breakdown comes and the lady's accent goes overly british (you mooo me, my eyes if they shuh, woaaan stop ur touch etc), whereupon it then just becomes broken beat. which is more palatable for some reason. maybe i just find the sample wearying.

regarding 'unfinished business', i'm sure warrior queen has an opening in her schedge - here's hopin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

like, the notting hill arts club is not a wine bar. you know exactly what it is though. what is it?

mr mathz' other tune is more classicist and is also extremely good. bit like the 'leader/what goes around' balance - would it be fair to say him and fuzzy logik are the the few who are internalizing funky's divergences rather than just doing their own thing? on a track to track basis, at least.

Has anyone been recording the last couple weeks?

I've yet to get the 1xtra player to work for me, reading these tracklists and not being able to listen in is getting frustrating.

i would love some kind of vocal element on 'Mr Bean' - doesn't have to be much

what about the 'oh na na na' vocal version by orthodox on the b-side of the mr bean 12"? i don't think i've seen anyone mention it. i like it, but i don't know much about recent dancehall so my standards could be low.

"mr mathz' other tune is more classicist and is also extremely good. bit like the 'leader/what goes around' balance - would it be fair to say him and fuzzy logik are the the few who are internalizing funky's divergences rather than just doing their own thing? on a track to track basis, at least."

Yeah I think this is right - probably Malice too.

I don't exactly have reservations about "wine bar" as a descriptor - although I've primarily seen it used on dissensus so I always initially hear it with an implied dissensian sneer. I'm just trying to visualise precisely what it refers to in my head. I don't think it works this way in Australia really - a "wine bar" here would more likely play something with a stronger veneer of respectability than "funky house" (in the conventional sense of the term) - perhaps Buddha Bar, or if they were going more uptempo they might plump for breakbeat. If I wanted funky house i'd go to either a big commercial club (like the ones in our city's casino complex) or to a hairdressing salon. In fact "hairdresser house" (as opposed to "haircut house") is a term I've used before to describe that kind of sound.

Notting Hill Arts Club isn't "Wine Bar" it's "organic shoes".

posh organic shoes and overly sweet cocktails

wine bar makes me think more of sosho

dunno if people have seen but on his myspace Producer Mario has put up four of his best tracks for free d/l :)

"i can never decide whether vocals would be the icing on top of 'unfinished business' and 'mr bean', or would be a bad idea."

There is a vocal... Apple - Da Real Dutty Dance

The Guardian talks about you lot/funky house:

"Keen readers of music blogs and message boards that discuss the "hardcore continuum" in-depth and reference Foucault when talking about the latest song by Tempa T or some other incidental grime MC will know all about the "funky" scene currently engulfing the underground clubs and pirate radio stations of London. Those of you who have got real life friends and a social life probably won't."

Is the "Apple = Jon E Cash making house" argument run in this article and on Blissblog (presumably the former ripped it from the latter) on point? It doesn't seem quite right to me, but I can't put my finger on why.

Mind you Simon R extended it to Roska which just seems obviously wrong.

The guy that wrote that Guardian piece is also Prancehall btw.

i think Jon E Cash's name is just being used as shorthand for 8-bar. the main points of comparison i think are the abstract use of texture, heavy bass and blocky approach to rhythm / tracks, but these are hardly rare tendencies in grime!

my issue is that this kind of analysis (x is like y times z / x is like y if it tried to be z) is a ridiculously simplistic way of communicating what makes music feel a certain way, its an issue i often have with music writing... too often reductive posing as complete analysis (with value judgement attached), it cannot do justice to emotional or visceral response. its escape from this tendency is one of the reasons i love a lot of Simon Reynolds old writing so much!

to clarify, thats not an argument against writing about music, by any means, just against a very specific but prevalent tendency within it

on reflection over lunch the sentence about doing justice to emotional or visceral response doesn't really have a place there...

http://images.yuku.com/image/gif/f472518e3072d2a49c7ea620de3f7307be12ad5.gif

diseensus poster posts link to 4yr old diseensiest ilx thread ever feat. disssensus mainstays. it's a par.

^ dyslexus.

any new sets about that arent footloose/rinse fm crew btw?

i think i missed something...

lol, I never clicked the link in the Guardian article. I thought it was this thread being linked!

not sure i've been to sosho - pics look comparable to the upstairs bit of east village i guess? perhaps i meant those kinds of places too.

Ha ha some inadvertent astrology in that thread though. From yours truly:

Alternative: an R&B/garage/broken beat/house fusion a la Mis-Teeq's "Eye Candy" (the actual track) which strikes me as being simultaneously one of the most brazenly physical, most feminine, and most startlingly new-sounding things I heard of in '02. Although I never *did* find out who produced it (it was bizarrely and shamefully left off the Oz version of the album).

-- Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, January 24, 2004 7:37 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Link

dyslexus nexus

for yr reference:

Mis-Teeq - Eye Candy.mp3

This has been my entry point, and now I'm a little obsessed:

http://djcable.blogspot.com/2008/08/dj-cables-weekly-mix-30.html

Have tried some of the Marcus Nasty mixes (at least when Sendspace co-operates) but can't cope with his MC - is he on all of them?

He cycles through different MCs Mike - Rankin', Shantie, Quincy etc. - but uses an MC on all of them except (if I recall) the 1xtra mix, which may still be available for download upthread.

Yay, still available; I Googled 1xtra marcus nasty and was rewarded with a Megaupload.

Shantie is the most um interventionist of the MCs Marcus uses. Rankin and Quincy limit themselves to commentary and the occasional short chant.

so the ukfunky.com mp3 shop is in full swing now, including 320 kbps versions of malice's 'gabryelle' refix and 'speechless' by dj mystery. i tried my luck last night and the transaction was smooth. hope they keep building up the catalogue and getting more labels on board.

http://ukfunky.com/ukfunkydotcom_004.htm

oh and, from the marcus nasty v mac10 set on rinse the other night...

why don't you take your broom, and sweep my yard, you better brush it good......

oh. my. days!! such a tune. no idea who it is. and mac10 says "this one's one away... you won't get this like this!"

such a monster set.

Paul that's probably "Work!" by Masters At Work, from 2002 I think. It's very much UK funky avant le lettre, and gets a lot of caning by funky DJs. Massive tune.

thanks tim. there's my lack of house pedigree showing.

here's the marcus/mac10 for anyone who can't get it from the rinse site: http://www.divshare.com/download/5327266-32a

so the ukfunky.com mp3 shop is in full swing now

:D

i went to my first funky rave at the weekend btw. it was really super-awesome. everyone totally glammed up and really good vibes. bit school disco-ey at the start, everyone sort of...camped out around the edges of the dancefloor warily eyeing each other up, but it soon got packed. everyone went nuts for 'who's afraid of detroit' and 'my joy' but the moment when the dj dropped 'in the air' was OMG.

where did you go lex?

the circle events one at purple e3...

cool, thanks, i keep meaning to get to one so im keen for recommendations. what is the club itself like? sorry for all the boring questions!

remember those purple e3 ads on rinse where mc supplier would shout for about 5 minutes straight?

"DRESS CODE IS SMART AND SEXYYY! NO RIPPED JEANS OR SPORTS WEAR! SMART TRAINERS ARE OHH-KAAY!

actually i'm curious about purple too since i might be over there in a few months.

haha yeah the dress code in the email i got went on for a paragraph. no timberlands! no bapes! &c. club was nice, classy and glam (and clean! nice leather sofas to sit on) but not really flashy. everyone seemed to be drinking champagne. it's a monthly night i think, definitely recommend it. u need id though!

these are the dudes who put the night on, from what i gather they've been putting on house nights for years.

ok cool, thanks! i have thus far been quite averse to the Circle cos of their overt conservatism regarding the newer styles and producers, but it'd probably be a great night out anyway :)

"SMART TRAINERS ARE OHH-KAAY!"

lol

Siegbran's post on here is just flat-out classic insular bubble-bursting

i wish this stuff wasnt so pricey on 12".

anyone keeping up with funky? should be moving into peak season for great UKG releases or more likely advance radioplay, but there's still a problem with Footloose archives, affecting (select?) overseas listeners only? - I re-test it weekly (RA link doesn't work either). Tim, is the Footloose archive working for you? if so, may be a U.S.-only thing... (yet Cameo archive works fine)

themco to the rescue? any new sets from Aug onwards?

There's at least one new 2-hour Crazy Cousinz Rinse FM show, which they've put on Sendspace and linked from their MySpace blog. (I'd link directly, but MySpace is blocked from here.) It's good, as long as you can cope with the DJ chatter - which mainly consists of saying "Crazy Cousinz" a dozen times a minute for two hours....

yah i think the footloose archives might not be working cuz yr overseas, i'm in london and can access them.

u know what sounds totally funky house-y is 'get down get horny'
grrrr8 song btw

Love the Marcus Nasty/Mac 10 mix on Rinse FM from a few weeks ago, though I wish the sound quality on the Rinse FM podcasts was better.

Esp. love the grimy section after the remix of "Work", esp. that mash of ravey/insane tracks around the thirty minute mark. Totally WTF material. I think they're Little Silver and Malice tunes mostly, based on the shout-outs.

Also that new Donaeo track at the 70 minute mark, he really is becoming the Lenky of funky. And how about that bizarre one at 85 with the technoid synth riffs, I'm not even sure how I'd describe it .

yeh i finally got the chance to hear the Marcus Nasty b2b Mak10 set in full, some of it is so next level. but maybe even more importantly for me the whole thing is balanced so well, really finely between the madness and rawness of grime invading and the sensuality of house. they even dropped Aaron Carl! at about +8! was feeling that

there is this point where (i think) Mak 10 drops a DOK tune into the mix with a vocal house bit, chopping it up, twisting the eqs and filters all over, it is just completely ridiculous

rinse fm have started a new regular (monthly?) funky night called beyond - went to the first last week, it was ok! great in places but not as glam or fun as the circle one, a bit too boys-standing-round-in-hoodies at the start, and 'in the air' was dropped like 3 times in an hour, but it got going pretty well and there's lots of potential there.

i tried to listen to the marcus nasty podcast but the bitrate is just too horrible. wtf is the point w/out bass.

That DOK tune is DOK doing funky house though innit - still great! Grime producers unabashedly jumping on the funky house "gravy" train is totally a-okay by me. Dubstep producers, not so much.

yeh the DOK tune is crazy. he is a shockingly good producer imo, i am keen to hear him jump on anything at all really!

i don't see a problem with dubstep producers jumping on it, so long as its not the ones who jumped on dubstep in 2007! but i can't see the funky scene being subordinated to dubstep no matter what, so i am more of a live and let live perspective on that one. that track at 1hr18 on the Rinse podcast to me is dubstep-influenced, and im feeling that as an outer-reach of the sound.

but also i don't think its a huge worry cos dubstep already kind of has its own funky, house is really very integrated into it in parts, its just different strains and feelings of house i think, more deep, more detroit. people like Mala have been making crazy, percussion-led, bass heavy, deep house-influenced music for ages, and Anti-Social, Ramadanman, LD etc are all continuing to do so

also, bit of a tangent but hopefully no-one will object, some of the mad ravey stuff in dubstep i almost see as direct descendents of/torch-bearers for people like Adonis and Trax

I got a feature on Funky going up on RA some point soon... Hard to do it justice but hopefully I captured the main stuff.

Also: Marcus got a regular spot on Rinse now, wednesdays 7-9pm.

the Queen of Sheba (!) was kind enough to re-upload this unbelievable Mak 10 set off Rinse from 9 September

thought some people here would feel it if they missed it, its a very very very big show. tunes and mixing are off the scale

Love the Marcus Nasty/Mac 10 mix on Rinse FM from a few weeks ago, though I wish the sound quality on the Rinse FM podcasts was better.

― Tim F

completely agree with this. 64kbps is almost unlistenable.

marcus nasty's show this week had so much good stuff.

i have too many of these shows to listen to now though.

OK! Hold up everyone thats been plugin me in this forum! Maximum boost for the support! If anyone has any questions regardin the funky movement.. let me knoo (includes trak names etc..)
Anyways.. jus wanted to give u an update on the scene which has happend for a while bak naw but jus incase u didnt knoo.. i am naw a part ov a 2 man crew called FUNK FACTORY wid maself DJ Smoovie T wid DJ/Producer Scotty D!
Scotty D pwas the one who produced the track "Liberty"
And were both on Touch FM every sunday night 10-12am were u can catch us on www.touchfm.com
Like i sed! Any info or anyfin jus holla..
P.S
I rememba somebody talking about that I Feel Remix by footloose! Its currently out on 12" So cop that naww!!!

so bongo jam was out on mp3 yesterday according to about a hundred myspaces. problem is, none of them said where to get it!

http://www.play.com/Music/MP3-Download-Track/4-/6202508/Bongo-Jam/Product.html?aid=6200939

that looks like it's part of a mixed album rather than a standalone unmixed single though...otherwise surely it'd be on 7digital and itunes. odd, but the proper release is definitely coming (and 'do you mind' will follow in jan)

Yeah it's the whole single I'm after, with the Naughty remix. Probably just get the vinyl I guess but after all the hype I'm wondering where the digital is.

the official release date is 13 nov i think - i assume a digital release will accompany it at some point

didnt it say on their myspace that it was comign out 20th Oct? do you they have it on ukfunky.com?

It did (does?) say that on their MySpace, yes. But iTunes returns the same as play.com: they just have that mixed MoS comp track, which has been available for a few months now.

(In which case, thank goodness for file2hd.com. I'd be sunk without it, frankly.)

alright, there we go. just listening to the crazy cousinz show and it's supposed to be at itunes. must be uk only though because i don't see it.

i heard an LD remix of do you mind that was lovely.

oh ok yeah i can see it on itunes

that LD remix is amazing

Mak 10 on Pyro Radio 17.10.08

sounds like a less grimey vibe than his rinse sets, also will be of some relief for those who take issue with the Rinse bitrates! i actually think the whole vibe benefits from that compression and poor quality, but either way this one is much crisper

that ld remix needs to be available to buy.

cant get that mac 10 show to DL for some reason.

hmm does it not work just as a right click save as affair?

yeh much as i'd love it to be otherwise i don't have any big hopes for seeing that LD mix anytime soon! dubplate scene and all that. its interesting hearing his take on the vocal. think it illustrates quite well what i was talking about upthread about the different takes on house in dubstep as against funky

there is a very housey kode9 and ld collab 'bad' coming on hyperdub next month. one track sounds 'dubstep' housey and the other 'funky' housey

you can hear them on the player here
http://www.myspace.com/hyperdub

hyperdub seems to have some amazing stuff coming out.

As a Fuzzy Logik fan, i found this a good read

http://queenofsheba84.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/fuzzylogik/

im not a fan of everything kode 9 does but this is so amazing.

Anyone notice the Fuzzy Logick-ish funky house remix of New Horizons' 'Find The Path' on the October Marcus Nasty Rinse FM set?

nah i haven't heard that set yet but that tune sounds awesome!

this thread has died a sad death of late :/ hope it wasn't me rabbitting on about (hushed tones) dubstep too much!

what have ppl been feeling of late? doom put me onto a sick new producer, cooly g... http://www.myspace.com/coolyg i cannot wait for that EP, Dis Boy is shockingly deep. Weak is amazing too, properly disorientated

i have also been enjoying the discovery of my joy on the b side of the malice ep a very great deal!

anyone got any big new sets worth sharing? courtesy of David M... Hard House Banton b2b Dubplate Wonder on Deja Vu 4 Nov 08 - http://www.sendspace.com/file/xs5ux3