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Kyla - "Do you mind" (Crazy Cousinz mix)

Fuck this is awesome.

J@cob, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 01:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

OK, I listened to this crap. Can I have the last eight minutes of my life back?

Display Name, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 02:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

Please list reasons for crapness with citations and sources.

J@cob, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 03:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah that was pretty awful. Something the DJ would spin VERY early in the evening while s/he's sorting through records and no one really wants to dance just yet. Polite house over martinis. And there are no dynamics to it; nothing slams into place. The vocals are bland. The lyrics are banal. And finally, it's not all that funky!

Now go record something good please.

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 07:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

needs a DJ Gregory dub

blueski, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 09:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yes but the loli-sex vocals and the socafied beats, you don't find that kind of different and kind of essentially london-ish somehow? I don't see how anyone could think this sounded like Hed Kandi or Naked or whatever...

J@cob, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 09:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

i quite like the double-tap piano hook on this 'awful gay terrible house music'

blueski, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 09:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

It's more attenuated than the Hed Kandi norm. But I bet it wouldn't prick up my ears if it was thrown on one of their comps. And I don't live in London so I can't comment on how different-yet-same it is.

I mean, I guess it's okaaaaaaaaaaay on a second listen. But definitely nothing to write home (or start a thread) about.

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 10:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah that piano hook is my favorite element. I'm trying to place the 1980s video game where I first heard it.

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 10:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

Right you know how people have started talking about a revitalised funky house scene in London, how exactly does this differ from the funky house scene that's been all over London for the last few years?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 10:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

who's been saying it's revitalised?

blueski, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 10:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

it's whats upfront that counts

Michael F Gill, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 16:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

Why people gotta hate on Hed Kandi and Naked???

Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 16:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

I like this quite a bit, though it's not the best funky house (in the strict london '08 sense) tune I've heard. I like that the genre is increasingly coalescing around that post "Cure & The Cause" sound but with a stronger Carribean influence - I'm hoping it becomes even more syncopated. Funny how bassline and funky house have so cleanly split speed garage influences between them.

Secret prescient and lost funky house tune before the fact: Mis-Teeq's "Eye Candy".

Tim F, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 13:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

Pleasant enough but I agree the lyrics and vocal hooks could be stronger, although the singing itself is fine. The worst thing for me is I don't like the piano and snare sounds they've used, especially the piano (something about its tone grates with me).

dubmill, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 15:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

Why people gotta hate on Hed Kandi and Naked???

-- Spencer Chow, Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:48 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Link

spencer otm

i still think kjb opinions4u are the worst

deej, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 15:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

oh and what do u know hes wrong, this is dope

deej, Thursday, 1 May 2008 00:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

also is "lol this is polite house" the lamest critique or what. how could that not describe 90% of that dixon mix he loves??

deej, Thursday, 1 May 2008 01:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

One thing that's important to note is that UK equivalents of vocal house, esp. in the post-speed garage tradition, have never been interested in lyrical profundity or vocal power in the way that the US tradition has been. There's very few stirring diva performances - most of it is more focused on how very simple vocal phrases are situated in the mix. So people looking for good "songs" from this genre will inevitably be disappointed. But, you know, Dem 2's "Destiny" didn't need to be a "good song" to be fabulous, and nor does this stuff.

Blackdown had a great little bit on the lyrics to this track on his blog.

Tim F, Thursday, 1 May 2008 03:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

But Dem 2's "Destiny" was indeed fabulous whereas this...just isn't.

Kevin John Bozelka, Thursday, 1 May 2008 03:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

"good" point

deej, Thursday, 1 May 2008 03:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

El Tomboto, Thursday, 1 May 2008 03:52 (6 years ago) Permalink

I'm hoping it becomes even more syncopated

and in addition to that overly obnoxious gear snob post I just made can I just throw in another old jackoff opinion that if this track is what counts for "syncopated" in dance music in 2008 then I would also LOVE to hear what "more syncopated" means

perhaps it will include a BASS DURMP on the OFFBEATIES

El Tomboto, Thursday, 1 May 2008 03:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

Tombot did you want a serious answer?

Tim F, Thursday, 1 May 2008 06:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

I'm honestly a little surprised the snare on the offbeat of 2 still counts for anything, I guess. I've always thought it was just obnoxious outside of jungle/dnb

El Tomboto, Thursday, 1 May 2008 06:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

I would go into my usual spiel about that particular rhythm, but even I'm bored of it.

Anyway, fuck the hataz, this is hot.

The Reverend, Thursday, 1 May 2008 07:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

Well it's not like "wow this is the most syncopated music ever", but it's more syncopated than mainstream house, speed garage or bassline, let's put it that way. Given the hyper-stiffness of bassline in particular, it's interesting to see the syncopation/carribean vibe of this stuff emerging as its point of distinction from "funky house" in the broad sense.

When I say "more syncopated" I'm thinking of 2001-era soca-beat 2-step basically - see stuff like TJ Cases's "One By One", or Bump & Flex dub mixes from that period.

Not so much this track, but other Crazy Cousinz tracks strike me as verging on broken beat - esp. the broken beat-like vocal housey tracks Zed Bias was making circa 2002.

Actually there's a kind of back-to-early-2002 feel across the whole post-UK Garage spectrum, e.g.

- "Wearing My Rolex" sounds a bit like "Rush The DJ", "Standard Flow" etc.

- Tectonic/Punch Drunk dubstep reviving the first Horsepower Productions album, 2562 reviving Zed Bias (in a different, "deeper", and more substantially syncopated way than funky house does).

- Bassline sounding like "Dutty", and also like El-Tuff remixes.

Of course early 2002 (as 2-step was losing its grip as the reigning sound, but before the fully-fledged emergence of grime) was the last time this cluster of styles was really not quite clear as to where it was going, so a return to this temporary impasse makes sense.

Tim F, Thursday, 1 May 2008 07:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

you don't find that kind of different and kind of essentially london-ish somehow?

Apart from the vocals this tune sound more like something coming out of the Spanish scene. Like this maybe.

Siegbran, Thursday, 1 May 2008 10:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

you guys know a lot of stuff.

the next grozart, Thursday, 1 May 2008 11:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

The Marcus Nasty funky house DJ set on DejaVu FM that Martin Clark talks about and links to here is sick.

There's a track in the first section that actually sounds 95% of the way to my dreams for the genre, halfway between TJ Cases' "One By One" and Davinche's old 'R&G' productions ("Leave Me Alone", "Mr. DJ" etc.). But the whole thing is really exciting and vibey feeling.

Martin's right as well when he says that this stuff sounds more exciting with MCs chatting over the top.

Tim F, Saturday, 3 May 2008 13:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

I cannot stop listening to this Marcus Nasty set. If you've wondering how on earth "funky house" can form it's own distinct genre you've gotta check it, I've never heard a house set that captures this specific vibe. It's really making me flash back to 2-step in the best possible way (i.e. the feel rather than the specific sound).

Tim F, Sunday, 4 May 2008 06:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

this is great but is there a reason it starts with track 2 instead of track 1? why was the mix divided into trax anyway?

deej, Sunday, 4 May 2008 19:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

also can anyone find this kyla rmx on vinyl??

deej, Sunday, 4 May 2008 19:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

Finding any of this stuff for love or money seems impossible.

I guess the best way to get the tracks would to be get at the producer's individual Myspace accounts.

I really wish Apple would get something out I could buy.

Siah Alan, Sunday, 4 May 2008 21:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

"Bongo Jam" - song of the year???

"SOMETIMES I WAKE UP EARLY IN THE MORNING, TO PLAY MY CON-CON-CONGO!"

Tim F, Monday, 5 May 2008 08:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

BTW Deej I think Marcus Nasty just uploaded enough of his set to fit onto a CD, hence the missing part one and the way it cuts off suddenly. No idea why it's split into parts.

Tim F, Monday, 5 May 2008 08:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

I got to say that I think I prefer the kyla to "bongo jam" but anyways...

Re: buying records - Rinse are putting out a Supa D mix CD and the blurb that comes with it says this is the first time any of these are getting a release of any sort. The Kyla original (prod by paleface) is getting a rerelease on Ministry this year so they might put the Crazy Cousinz mix on that...

J@cob, Monday, 5 May 2008 09:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

Jacob "Bongo Jam" sounds fairly pasty on myspace, on marcus nasty's mix it sounds awesome. Mind you the Kyra track improves from myspace to mix by roughly the same margin.

Tim F, Monday, 5 May 2008 10:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I heard both on his mix too - and I completely agree. I just like the sexualness of the Kyla track which makes it the kind of song people will really get into in that leather shoes and designer shirts garage type environment. Every time I hear it I can really picture that scene, although the picture in my head probably has way too much moschino for it to be relevant to 2008. Bongo Jam straddles a line between goofiness, seriousness and Manu Chao that makes it totally dependent on mix context to work. No bad thing that, but I can see it sounding horribly cheesy 90% of the time, especially on radio.

J@cob, Monday, 5 May 2008 10:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

Ha that's true but, y'know, go goofiness!

I'm hoping to start seeing proper Caribbean crossover stuff soon. I wonder if the ragga-ish version of "Calabria" is big in this scene.

Tim F, Monday, 5 May 2008 10:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

stelfox tipped me to "bongo man," and it's currently blowing my mind. i do think it's hilarious how close it comes in sound and feel to villalobos' remix of the horrorist's "one night in nyc"!

pshrbrn, Monday, 5 May 2008 17:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

Two more recommendations:

1) Sticky - How Very Dare You
Yes, that Sticky! And this isn't too far from what he was doing circa 2002, great ridiculous diva vocals, huge bass drop, clattering breakbeaty rhythms. Not 4X4 at all but definitely "funky house". Love it.

1) Seany B - Stomper
This reminds me a bit of my beloved "Are You Really From The Ends (VIP Remix)" - stomping and insatiable as the title suggests. Very big 4X4 kick but with all these awesome bongo flutters and counter-rhythms.

Tim F, Saturday, 10 May 2008 14:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

myspace rip of 'bongo jam', if anyone's interested. produced by flukes of wifey riddim fame btw!

not really relevant to this thread but i'm liking sticky's 'i'm in love'. first song on his myspace. 'mr dj' was another one of his tunes more in the funky vein.

dbs, Saturday, 10 May 2008 18:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

whoa "whole night" w/ shantie = A+++++++++++++++++++

moonship journey to baja, Saturday, 10 May 2008 19:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

oops i think it's called "do you mind"

moonship journey to baja, Saturday, 10 May 2008 19:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

"Who's gonna be that dancing king???"

Shantie is pretty amazing. He's so nimble and prissy!

"Too much war/Everywhere you go what you fightin' for?/I don't know/Back in the day man raves fi look wife/nowadays man a come rave fi take life/can't deal with it, the trouble and strife/formation that, left to the right!"

I would totally start using "formation that" myself if I didn't know I would sound ridiculous.

Tim F, Sunday, 11 May 2008 08:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

STICKY????????!!!!!!!!!!!
fucking finally!

pshrbrn, Sunday, 11 May 2008 16:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

now jamming: bongo jam

The Reverend, Monday, 12 May 2008 02:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

This flukes kid = big things

J@cob, Monday, 12 May 2008 07:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

I think the last time an area of music so suddenly and completely emotionally/intellectually monopolized me was dancehall in 2003 and before that 2-step in 1999. (grime not so much only because it was harder to find totally hypnotic DJ sets etc.)

Tim F, Thursday, 15 May 2008 09:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

Tim, do you have the Supa D cd? Also been checking the Crazy cousinz sets on rinse? Surprisingly dull actually...

J@cob, Friday, 16 May 2008 07:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

Agree re Supa D CD. Disagree re Crazi Cousinz mixes, at least the one I have heard which is great!

Tim F, Friday, 16 May 2008 15:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

Increasingly hearing tracks that totally abandon 4X4, very much taking a leaf from Apple's books in terms of sounding more like soca X grime X old skool rave than actual house, highly syncopated but more uptempo and danceable than grime usually was. Some of the key producers here being Apple, Roska, Footloose, Fuzzy Logic...

Fingaprint's "Take Over" rides a straight syncopated dancehall rhythm, a move I can just feel is gonna become devastatingly popular.

A rather ostentatious example of the grime/funky crossover would be Skepta's "The Rolex Sweep" - there's really nothing about it that on paper would say it was funky more than grime - it just feels like grime.

There's a tune by Chunky Bizzle (formerly a grime producer) that sounds like Gant's "Sound Bwoy Burial" meets Sonz of a Loop Da Loop Era's "Far Out". Awesome stuff.

Apart from that, Tim's Funky Essentialz:

Crazi Cousinz - Bongo Jam
Geeneus - Yellow Tail
DJ NG ft. MC Versatile & Baby Katy - Tell Me
Apple - Mr Bean (and all the Bean related tunes)
Roska - Feeline (and the other tunes on his forthcoming 'The Climate Change' EP are massive)
Footloose - Hurry Up
Sticky - How Very Dare You
Seany B (formerly of More Fire Crew!) - Stomper
Kyla - Do You Mind (Crazi Cousinz Mix)
DJ Naughty - Quicktime
Benga & Coki - Night (Geeneus Remix)
Crazi Cousinz - Keep On Dancing
Fingaprint - The Print
Seany B - Make Your Move

Tim F, Monday, 19 May 2008 08:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

so so happy about the return of sticky! i always thought "golly gosh" was practically a house track. his drums and synths always sound so much richer than other uk producers. it seems donaeo is also back, i know he was somewhat hated on ilm but i always had a soft spot for mr. fidgit. "devil in a blue dress" is excellent

i can't be the only one who would prefer an instrumental of "bongo jam" though? the vocal annoys the hell out of me!

can anyone tell me some recent non uk tracks that are getting played by funky house djs? "automatic" from the in the barbershop ep on ibadan seems tailor made to uk radio, it samples "1, 2 step"!

r1o natsume, Monday, 19 May 2008 20:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

It should be noted that Tim has a great piece up on Idolator today:

http://idolator.com/391655/peering-through-the-front-door-of-funky-house

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 May 2008 20:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

funky house sounds to me like what photek would have come up with if he'd continued the lines of the "solaris" album

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 19 May 2008 21:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

thanks for the hyping Ned.

I came back onto this thread to say that I finally ID'd that bouncy track with the squiggy descending synth riff and organ interludes that comes after the (equally great) Marcus Nasty dubplate that begins the third section (called Track Four) of the main Marcus Nasty set:

Fuzzy Logik - Leader

Tim F, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 15:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah tim f that piece on idolator was great. i would've left a comment if i could.

t_g, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 08:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

http://www.myspace.com/youngoffendazuk

I'm not even sure if this funky house, there is a lot of 2-step, dubstep and grime in this.

Siah Alan, Thursday, 22 May 2008 06:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

Check out Young Offedaz ft MC Shocks - Excuse Me.

Its like one of those tidy 2-step MCs got all aggro, without losing the funk to some extent.

Theirs a chunk of breaks in this too, I've not heard so much crossover in awhile.

Siah Alan, Thursday, 22 May 2008 06:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

This Marcus Nasty mix is good. Really diverse sounds and beats, too. And this -- "this stuff sounds more exciting with MCs chatting over the top" -- is OTM (and Jamaican toasters have never been of much interest to me, but this MC chatting works, somehow). Thanks, Tim.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 24 May 2008 02:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

On one of the Marcus Nasty shows with Rankin and Shantie there's an amazing section where they're trading lines back and forth (I'll upload the individual section when I get a chance) and it sounds like the most exciting thing in the world.

Nice to hear Rankin again soon. I always loved his rap on the Dreem Teem remix of Amar's "Sometimes It Snows In April" - "There's no question of a doubt / I've checked all the ladies out / You're the finest thing that i've seen / sexy lady come be my dream" (not sure if that last line is correct). In the show he reuses it but makes it "There's no question of a doubt / I've checked all the DJs out / Marcus Nasty the finest I've heard / spread the gospel, gotta spread the word..." This kind of thing pleases me disproportionately.

Unfortunately (and frustratingly) all the Rinse FM show downloads (by Geeneus, Perempay, Supa D) seem to still be dominated by US and even Euro house (one of Geeneus's show included Villalobos and Ame) - which is nice enough but not really what I need more of.

I wonder if this is what it would have been like trying to find good 2-step shows after hearing "Destiny" or "My Desire (Dreem Teem Mix)" way back in 1997, and instead getting conservative Tuff Jam sets. Except at least Tuff Jam were playing lots of UK tracks!

Tim F, Saturday, 24 May 2008 02:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

Tim, it's exactly the same as far as I recall!

...but maybe even worse. I can't help but feel that because of the bottom falling out of the market for dance singles there aren't any labels jumping on the sound and trying to put out product. Suspect it's going the same way as Jamaica what with everyone doing all those special versions of their songs for radio DJs ("sometimes I wake up so early, so Marcus Nasty can play for me") in order to pay the rent.

J@cob, Monday, 26 May 2008 05:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

Also, it'd probably be like hearing Bobbi and Steve or Grant Nelson on Kiss... Lots of US-aping brit garage on Azuli and 4liberty mixed up with Kerri Chandler etc (so not much change there).

J@cob, Monday, 26 May 2008 05:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

i personally really dig the "us-aping brit garage". for example, "twilight flight" by baby face jay does the prescription sound far better than mountain people could ever dream of!

r1o natsume, Monday, 26 May 2008 06:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

DJ Seany B feat Monique - Make your move

So, standard "funky" beat here, but what's so great about this track to me is the tension between the somewhat aggressive, definitely urban sounding bassline, and the sonically fluffy sounding vocals. Of course when you listen to the lyrics they're not actually that fluffy. The thing I like about a lot of these funky house songs is that for the first time in ages (outside of the really pop stuff) dance music lyrics are dealing with 'younger' topics - there's lots of stuff about instant sexual attraction etc. and it's a big contrast with the US scene which tends to produce more 'mature' sounding vocals...

J@cob, Monday, 2 June 2008 06:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah that's a great track. Seany B used to be an MC in More Fire Crew I think! This, "Stomper" and another track whose name I forget are all fire.

Tim F, Monday, 2 June 2008 08:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

Stomper is a weird one for me - it has that awkward, fruity-loops feel that makes it sound a lot more like grime than most funky... I like that as an ingredient, but when it dominates the recipe I'm not so sure. Tracks that balance this sound with sexier stuff appeal more to me...

J@cob, Monday, 2 June 2008 08:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

Do you like "Leader" Jacob?

Tim F, Monday, 2 June 2008 13:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

Are you talking about "Leader" by Fuzzy Logik?? I've been hearing this track about, first heard DJ Pioneer playing it, then Supa D, Marcus Nasty and now im hearing it everywhere i go, absolutely brilliant! Fuzzy Logik has some real quality tracks about at the min. Definetly one to watch out for reppin the uk funky. http://www.myspace.com/flogik

Mako, Monday, 2 June 2008 21:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

"Leader" is great. Very pure distillation of the sound I think. Bass sounds in funky are interesting, I think. They go for loud bass, but with a very smooth undistorted sound that kind of backgrounds it a lot more than we're used to in UK dance music...

J@cob, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 02:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I was thinking the same thing Jacob! Like, the MC might mention something about "watch for the bass" but it's this really subtle low-end that is hard to pick up on radio/mp3. So different from bassline (where the bassline is the melody).

It reminds me a bit of early 2-step actually: only a couple of producers like Steve Gurley and Groove Chronicles/El-B were into really prominent basslines, which is why they get namechecked by dubstep fans so much. Everyone had bass in their tracks but it wasn't necessarily leaping out at you - on a track like "Re-Rewind" the bass is quite subtle.

Then Wookie and Zed Bias really popularised big basslines, and by late 2000 it was pretty rare to come across tracks that didn't have a big bassline interlude.

Tim F, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 07:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

Diamond ft Gappy Ranx – Champagne Dance (Dub)

^ not only ace, but a good demonstration of how fast this scene is moving groove-wise. How is this remotely house?

Tim F, Friday, 6 June 2008 15:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

Tawiah - Every Step (Arms Remix)

^ Fabulous, melodramatic, hyper-syncopated R&B-ish funky house tune (Arms is a pretty amazing producer) with "Mandarine Girl"/"In White Rooms"-style staggering trancey synth chords as an added bonus.

Tim F, Saturday, 7 June 2008 17:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

Arms' myspace has a streaming version.

Tim F, Saturday, 7 June 2008 17:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

Nice one, I knew broken beat might still have some part to play in the future of London's music. Nice to see that influence in with a bunch of other interesting stuff.

Now if only could buy this.

Siah Alan, Saturday, 7 June 2008 19:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

Tawiah - Every Step (Arms Remix)

^ Fabulous, melodramatic, hyper-syncopated R&B-ish funky house tune (Arms is a pretty amazing producer) with "Mandarine Girl"/"In White Rooms"-style staggering trancey synth chords as an added bonus.

-- Tim F, Saturday, June 7, 2008 12:19 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

argh this stuff needs to start coming out on vinyl
the groove on this is so great - i really wish i had been trained as a drummer with a lot of this stuff so i could identify whats going on with the rhythms here. that skittering snare is the best

deej, Sunday, 8 June 2008 19:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

I think the Tawiah one might be released actually - the original track is R&B/rock fusion somewhat like Jamelia's "Something About You".

Deej did you ever hear any of the "R&G" stuff ("rhythm & grime") from about three/four years ago?

Not all of it was hot but some of the rhythmic programming on the best stuff was mindblowing, like KT Pearl's "Mr DJ" - top track!

But otherwise (as I said at the top of the thread) the really interesting rhythms in funky house remind me a bit of that period of UK Garage circa 2001 where it had started to abandon proper 2-step, had yet to get to the Pulse X stage, and was taking most of its rhythmic ideas in the meantime from the Caribbean - James Lavonz's "Mash Up Da Venue", TJ Cases' "One By One" the Bump & Flex Dancehall Dub of Cleptomaniacs' "All I Do", the London Dodgers' "Down Down Biznizz"... As this is some of my favourite music ever I'm very pleased. In fact if funky house goes in the direction I want it to (which remains to be seen - astonishing how many of the scene's big DJs are stuck in a soulful house rut - a pleasant rut to be sure, but a rut nonetheless when compared to the sound Marcus Nasty is pushing) it'll basically be going where I had hoped UK Garage would go had "Pulse X" and "Oi!" not emerged and changed the direction of the scene entirely.

(basically my version of rockism is to cast all music in a "destruction of Eden" narrative with 2-step as Eden)

Can I self-indulgently note that few big-ups have pleased me more than Marcus Nasty and Crazi Cousinz both linking my article on their myspace pages.

Tim F, Monday, 9 June 2008 01:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

are there any pirate mixes floating around?

tricky, Monday, 9 June 2008 02:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

Go to Marcus Nasty's homepage Tricky - www.myspace.com/marcusnasty

The best one to start with is the Deja Vu FM show from late March with Quincy and Shanti on the mic.

The show with Rankin and Shanti is very good also.

Tim F, Monday, 9 June 2008 02:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

'sous le soleil' needs a funky house remix

deej, Monday, 9 June 2008 06:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

or like ... 'libre' by mambana

deej, Monday, 9 June 2008 06:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

Was pleased to note (in line with predictions I had made) that a decent UK funky house DJ set from DJ Smoothie T included both "Calabria 2007" and "Work"

That mix is downloadable from his myspace - a good overview of the scene with "Bongo Jam", "Devil In A Blue Dress", "Make Your Move", "Tell Me", Geeneus's "I Tried", Roska's "Feeline", "Do You Mind", Diamond's "Champagne Dance", TNT's "Take It Low" (love this one - "Up/down/roundanownanow..."), Marcus Nasty's big instrumental dubplates, and a couple of ace tracks I'm not familiar with, including a marvellous smoov-but-secretly-ruff remix of Floetry by TNT which is like the funky house equivalent of "Sincere" or TJ Cases's "Dedicated To Love".

I wonder if this is the same TNT as the UK garage producer who did "Easy Lovin' You"...

Tim F, Monday, 9 June 2008 14:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

Hey Tim, any idea what the track after Champagne Dance on the Smoothie T mix is? The Footloose remix of who exactly?

The one with the big horns and the electrofunk synths that sounds a bit like old Ruff Sqwad?

Hell, it even reminds me a little of Jammer's old beats, only at what 128 bpm?

This stuff really is like the best parts of early grime and weird late 2-step except not in the 138 bpm region. Which is a good thing by me.

I want to try mixing this stuff with some older slower speed garage and see how it sounds.

Siah Alan, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 07:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

For those who're interested, UKrecordshop and Rhythm Division have some vinyl you can order online, including "Tell me", "Do you mind", "Segalizer" and "Mr Bean". That seems to be pretty much all there is around on vinyl...

J@cob, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 07:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

Thank you, its been awhile since I've ordered anything from the UK.

Couldn't afford to keep up with dubstep at the pound to dollar exchange rate.

Looks like its time to eat some Ramen again!

Siah Alan, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 08:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

xxpost - I don't know that track! It's great though - yeah very Ruff Sqwad. Infuriating how Smoothie T says "You all know this one!"

I have heard that female vocal before: "You're in the club/getting down/shake that bottle/spray it round round round."

Tim F, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 22:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

Oh no that's from "Champagne Dance" (previous duck) duh. The track we're talking about has the Lady Saw style vocals.

Tim F, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 22:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

For those who're interested, UKrecordshop and Rhythm Division have some vinyl you can order online, including "Tell me", "Do you mind", "Segalizer" and "Mr Bean". That seems to be pretty much all there is around on vinyl...

-- J@cob, Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:59 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark Link

!!! thnx man

deej, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 22:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

would love to know if that arms rmx ever gets vinyl release ;D

deej, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 01:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

Deej did you ever hear any of the "R&G" stuff ("rhythm & grime") from about three/four years ago?

Not all of it was hot but some of the rhythmic programming on the best stuff was mindblowing, like KT Pearl's "Mr DJ" - top track!

yeah i was into a lot of this stuff, i think its more alienating than two step or funky house for american audiences tho

deej, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 02:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

maybe not tho, im listening to 'mr dj' again and i could see it working ... it doesnt really fit in w/ the vibe i go for tho, a little too much dramatic seriousness where my thing has been drifting towards laid back/summery like cali rap and mid 90s r&b, that lonyo track, a little balaeric, etc

deej, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 02:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah very different vibe to that!

Do you know the Wookie remix of Gabrielle's "Sunshine" deej? Definition of laidback 2-step.

I think if I heard "Champagne Dance" out of context I would think it was an R&G track (what confused me re siah alan's question above is that I think this sounds a bit like Ruff Sqwad too...).

Tim F, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 02:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

Do you all like that "Old school love" track? Fits with your eden narrative Tim...

J@cob, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 05:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

The dub version of Sunshine is still my favorite 2-step track.

Weird, I never picked up a copy, really need to get on that.

I almost thought that there was another track between Champagne Dance and the next one with the female vocals, maybe its just the intro, I was pretty tired when I wrote my last post.

The one with "Don't... you... want... to... be... my.. baby"

Anyways, Footloose = badman in my estimation.

http://www.myspace.com/djfootlooseuk

His myspace give my computer a migraine though.

Siah Alan, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 06:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

I worked it out: it's a remix of Ear Dis' "I Feel".

Ear Dis is Arms and one other guy. The original is pretty ace too - classy but rhythmically screwy broken beat pop, like a ruffer Vikter Dupleix.

I wonder if broken beat producers will invade this scene. Certainly Zed Bias should.

Agree re Footloose, I also love his remix of Che'Nelle's "Hurry Up".

Tim F, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 09:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

What's the "old skool love" track jacob?

Tim F, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 09:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

This far and yet no mention of "Daddy-O"?

Siegbran, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 09:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

It's a song all about the 'old days' of 2-step, namechecks lots of songs and then goes on about how the singer wants some 'old school love'. Sounds almost like Craig David...

Crazi Cousinz, Paleface and Scratcha all playing it I think.

J@cob, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 10:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

Need to check that.

Tadow's "Rising Sun" (took me ages to ID this one) is probably the best track (or one of the best) for MCs to ride owing to those 8-bar style switches between the latin piano chords and the throbbing bass sections - works best if pitched up slightly. Anyway I'm mentioning it because there's an insane remix of it that's totally on a fucked up technicolour grime tip. Invasion Records running things right now...

Tim F, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 13:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

Siegbran, I've only heard a bassline version of "Daddy O" - it's great though. Is there a funky version?

Tim F, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 15:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

Soul Seekerz mix is the funky one, there's also your Fedde Le Grand-style fart-bass version (Micky Slim) and an oldskool UKG version by 187 Lockdown.

Siegbran, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 15:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

"Soul Seekerz mix is the funky one" - this means "funky" in the typical, non Marcus Nasty sense, right? We're not talking grimy synths and soca beats I assume.

But I'm excited by the notion of the return of 187 Lockdown.

Tim F, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 15:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

Also, Wideboys back into the R&G as well.

Siegbran, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 15:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

Ha ha, Wideboys are always so accomodating with their different remixes:

1 Snowflake (Wideboys Original Club Mix) (3:50)
Remix - Wideboys*
2 Snowflake (Wideboys House Mix) (5:55)
Remix - Wideboys*
3 Snowflake (Future Freakz Remix) (6:34)
Remix - Future Freakz
4 Snowflake (Wideboys Bumpy Mix) (6:12)
Remix - Wideboys*
5 Snowflake (Wideboys Dutty Bass Mix) (4:54)
Remix - Wideboys*
6 Snowflake (4/4 Organ Mix) (4:26)
7 Snowflake (Wideboys Up Norf Big Booty Bassline Mix) (5:24)
Remix - Wideboys*
8 Snowflake (Wideboys R&G Mix) (2:47)

Tim F, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 16:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

still trying to ID some tracks:

1) On that classic Marcus Nasty set with Rankin and Quincy, the R&G-ish track with the vocals "Ohhh, I want you oh so close, I wanted you to know, that you are takin' over, over me."

2) A track that samples Jagged Edge singing "rolling down the lonely highway asking God to please forgive me..." with piano and fabulous mechanical percussion,

Tim F, Thursday, 12 June 2008 11:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

now jamming: bongo jam

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deej, Thursday, 12 June 2008 12:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

related: lol
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/mcconaughey1.html

deej, Thursday, 12 June 2008 12:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

http://patternloader.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/we-like-it-funky/

Thats building off of recent discussion at Dissensus and this thread, any thoughts would be appreciated.

Siah Alan, Friday, 13 June 2008 11:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

Anyone care that DJ Bossman has become DJ Perempay, purveyor of high quality Funky house with a minimal influence?

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=167597324

He's got some good mixes up on his blog.

Siah Alan, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 07:52 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yo Alan I liked your piece a lot but I don't see why funky house abandons "forward" as a principle, at least relative to dubstep (unless you literally mean "FWD>").

Producers like Roska are at least almost as rhythmically inventive as Mala's best work surely? And have had a lot less time in which to prove themselves (compare/contrast the body of amazing grooves in dubstep circa 2002 with funky house circa 2008 and who wins??? Funky house obv)

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 06:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I think the problem with that piece is that there seem to be two currents within the UK scene right now.

One seems to be pushing towards experimentalism and using the same sonic palette as grime, and the other is towards the same kind of sonic conservatism we were talking about in the other thread.

I was reacting against that more than against people like Mentor Roska or Apple (who is beating Shackleton at his own game) or even some of Geeneus' stuff.

Siah Alan, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 07:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

And I'm still getting around the fact that I now agree with all those producers who gave up on dubstep, house is more rewarding in the long run.

Just wish Zed Bias would start making this stuff, it would fit perfectly with his broken beat production work.

Siah Alan, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 07:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

Its funny Mala has referred to some of his earliest production work as kind of weird skippy broken house. I wonder what he thinks of this scene, or if he's even aware of it.

Apparently he's going to be playing at the Berghain in a couple of weeks, I wonder how a man who appears to be a devout Rastafarian (sweetest guy I've ever met as well) is going to handle the atmosphere in there.

Siah Alan, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 07:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

Mala is everything that's right about dubstep.

J@cob, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 07:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

Musically I mean, I don't even know what he looks like!

J@cob, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 07:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

i don't "get" this music yet. should i start with supa d's mix on rinse? or is there something free i should check out first? looking at myspace gives me a headache. ..

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 07:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

I liked this DJ Smoovie T set. Thanks Tim.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/4mi2zd

Its got a very London bedroom DJ feel to it, plus its got a lot of the scene anthems in there as well.

Dude's just funny.

Siah Alan, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 07:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I chose Mala as shorthand for "the best/most interesting stuff that dubstep has to offer" - and tracks like "Neverland" and "Forgive" could work in a funky house set.

Alan I think there is that conservative vibe you mention to a lot of funky house but I really don't go for almost any of that stuff - Perempay has underwhelmed me to date for this reason, pretty much.

But I don't think this is a cause for real concern - as we discussed upthread it's a lot like the conservative approach of a lot of speed garage. In the end I think the experimental/grimey end of the scene will become almost irresistible. Perhaps not Apple (who's probably destined to be the Dem 2 of the scene - a revered, pivotal figure, but one that got to the future too soon) but definitely producers like Footloose will (I'm guessing) ultimately be setting the trend in the next twelve months.

The Tuff Jam story is apposite - the central figures on the scene in 1997 (in terms of cross-the-board cred - as distinct from the breakout populism of Julian Jonah/187 Lockdown), they resisted 2-step right through 1998/1999, but by 2000 Matt Lamont was making 2-step tracks and putting out 2-step-dominated DJ mixes.

Vahid the Supa D mix is okay but not mindblowing. If you haven't downloaded any of the marcus nasty sets try this one first:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/vo6p13

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 07:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

You're probably right about Footloose, although have you checked out any of Perempay's production work? Some of it is really good, I quite like Hypnotize.

He's a very technically talented DJ, just wish he'd take a few chances here or there.

Here's another take on the scene from RA writer Jacob Burns.

http://sodiumnightlife.wordpress.com/2008/06/17/lets-get-funky/

Siah Alan, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 08:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

Woah there's two RA writers called Jacob who like funky house??

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 08:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

Jacob Wright likes it too? Didn't know that.

Jacob Burns is a Scottish writer and musician, very big into dubstep and minimal. Now progressively getting more into funky, I really value his opinion.

Siah Alan, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 08:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

It now occurs to my drunk brain that J@cob could possibly be Mr. Wright.

Sorry about that, carry on.

Siah Alan, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 08:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yep that's me.

J@cob, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 09:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

I'm not too quick on the uptake sometimes,

So yeah, how about that new Mentor Roska release ?

Up now on Juno

Siah Alan, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

listening to that smoovie t mix ...

i like it, reminds me of that very very short-lived ragga house / soca house moment from 2004-2005

stuff like MAW ft nas:t & denise "work", basement jaxx "missing you" remix, jess & crabbe's various ragga-hip-house hybrids, etc

moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 19 June 2008 07:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

Here's a slightly newer one of Smoovie's in case anyones interested.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/o6i1qr

Siah Alan, Thursday, 19 June 2008 07:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

04-05 vahid?

Yeah the way that Smoovie actually uses "Work" and "Calabria" in the first mix really rams this home. The "Missing You" remix would fit in perfectly here. I'm really hoping that Basement Jaxx start responding to this (I just don't think their trebly Switch homages are as good as they could be).

There's a couple of ragga-hip-housey new tracks actually. Like that one the Crazi Cousinz play with the sped up R&B vocal ("She says she like's it THAT way/so me give it to her THAT way") for the verse and then Vybz Kartel for the chorus ("More/Raw/Hard to the core"). Or the one that just samples Bounty Killer's "yallow yallow" call.

Interestingly another big recycled hit on the scene is Bugs In The Attic's remix of Amy Winehouse's "In My Bed" - for that slightly shrill broken beat R&B vibe. I guess that was the raviest Bugs ever got.

Tim F, Thursday, 19 June 2008 08:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

Thought i'd make the jump over from dissensus for this. Let me start by asking if anyone knows what this is -

http://www.divshare.com/download/4759712-30c

Seriously wonky drums with a huge bassline and just a few hints of piano. Off that crazy couzinz launch party cd, its track 20. MC saying its the DJ naughty remix, but not what of.

Jacob

sodiumnightlife, Thursday, 19 June 2008 09:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

Hi guys just want to let you know that Fuzzy Logik has finally released the long awaited uk funky Bangerz N Mash E.P !

This has been getting battered by all the pirate stations and clubs everywhere and has been getting huge support from the likes of Supa D, MA1, Pioneer, Footloose ( 1xtra ), Marcus Nasty and many more. This EP also has the massive track, What Goes Around which features on the mix CD, Rinse 03 Mixed By Supa D.

Four uk funky house club favourites, on one E.P. <br><br> Features the tracks <b>"What Goes Around"</b>, <b>"Leader"</b>, <b>"Twiss"</b> and <b>"Funky Roller"</b>. <br><br>Limited Press, Out Now!!!

Available from ukrecordshop.com, Rhythm Division, Uptown Records & UDM.

Thank you!

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WC. Street Team!, Thursday, 19 June 2008 17:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

(sorry about the last post)

Hi guys just want to let you know that Fuzzy Logik has finally released the long awaited Bangerz N Mash E.P !

This has been getting battered by all the pirate stations and clubs everywhere and has been getting huge support from the likes of Supa D, MA1, Pioneer, Footloose ( 1xtra ), Marcus Nasty and many more.

This EP also has the massive track, What Goes Around which features on the mix CD, Rinse 03 Mixed By Supa D.

Four uk funky house club favourites, on one E.P. Features the tracks What Goes Around, Leader, Twiss and Funky Roller. Limited Press, Out Now!!!

Available from ukrecordshop.com, Rhythm Division, Uptown Records & UDM Now!!!

WC. Street Team!, Thursday, 19 June 2008 17:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

this guys "rumba" is pretty cool:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=50678233

who produced that sirens tune? huge bassline, loads of sirens going off in the background. 3 or 4 tracks in to that latest smoovie t show, just after the remix of florida i think.

sodiumnightlife, Thursday, 19 June 2008 17:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

oh the sirens thing was produced by hardhouse banton

sodiumnightlife, Thursday, 19 June 2008 18:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

Thx for the mix links.

Raw Patrick, Thursday, 19 June 2008 22:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

Jacob, track 20 of the Bongo Jam Launch Party mix is Crazi Cousinz' remix of P2J & Shaniqua's "Dance Wid Me". But I think you mean track 19, which I'm guessing is DJ Naughty's remix of Crazi Cousinz & Kimona's "I See You", as it has some of the vocals from that tune.

Tim F, Thursday, 19 June 2008 23:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

""this guys "rumba" is pretty cool:"

Yeah, I've heard this one around a bit too. Reminds me of Seany B's "Stompa" a bit - grimey latin house! (who would've thought?). The way "Rumba" just gets larger and larger as it goes is ace, all those new sounds coming in while the central motif just chimes away.

TNT's "Take It Low" also massive.

Tim F, Thursday, 19 June 2008 23:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

(if it's not clear to those playing at home, the "this guy" Jacob means is TNT)

Tim F, Thursday, 19 June 2008 23:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

Cheers for all that Tim! You know I really like how things such as "Rumba" are so organic, or at least have all these organic elements. I guess its to do with them using percussion loops and stuff, but also the sounds are blocky and that clap on the four doesn't strike me as quantised. I got my apple vinyl in the post today and siegaliser is so raw, this stuff is so exciting right now. That smoovie t posted upthread is pretty big. Still hate bongo jam though!

sodiumnightlife, Thursday, 19 June 2008 23:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

Funky house seems like a misnomer, what I've heard sounds a lot less funky than garage to me. It never seems to have much syncopation.

chap, Friday, 20 June 2008 01:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

In fact the "funky house" we're talking about is a lot more syncopated than the kind of house that has been called "funky house" for the last ten years or so.

Given that for the most part garage was not house, making that the reference point for the standard of funkiness in house isn't gonna help.

Tim F, Friday, 20 June 2008 01:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

I was under the impression that the current London funky house scene emerged from garage. I may well be wrong, I only keep half an eye on these developments.

chap, Friday, 20 June 2008 01:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

The most recent links on this thread lead to stuff with not much syncopation, though.

chap, Friday, 20 June 2008 01:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

In some sense it did chap - but what happened (in very basic, general terms) was that a lot of UK Garage heads abandoned garage as it turned into grime and started listening to US-style funky house instead - where the "funky" really only refers to the bassline.

If there's an equivalent of Todd Edwards in terms of being a US producer who kickstarts a UK reponse, it'd be Dennis Ferrer, whose remix of Fish Go Deep's "The Cure & The Cause" was this new post-garage scene's first and perhaps still biggest anthem.

But what's been happening in the last six months is that productions have been getting rougher, more syncopated and, in some ways, "grimier". But it's an uneven development: not all new tracks are sharing all these qualities simultaneously and evenly.

A tune like "Rhumba" (which I assume is what you mean) uses a very heavy 4X4 kick but the production otherwise has all sorts of references to grime. Be wary of judging from the other tracks on the TNT myspace page, as some of these are bassline productions (a decidedly un-funky post-garage scene based in the north of England).

If you want examples of really syncopated tunes, check out Roska's myspace page: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=80990671

One thing I find really interesting about Roska's stuff and similar productions is how they can be so fucked up beatwise and still sound like house - often there will still be a 4X4 kick buried underneath the other rhythms, or even if there's not you can still here one in your head. 2-step garage didn't really sound like house at all: admittedly 2-step was also faster than house, but the groove matrix just wasn't compatible.

This stuff doesn't have much to do with 2-step at all though - it's more like a mixture of soca-house, broken beat and grime.

See also the myspace pages for Apple and Footloose.

Tim F, Friday, 20 June 2008 02:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

There's something about the way the beats are built that makes the non 4/4 seem so compatible as well. If you were listening to a traditional house set, a move away from a 4/4 kick would seem like a seismic shift but it doesn't with this new stuff. Also, most kicks seem to be getting lighter. Its partly to make way for the bass I guess but that lends itself to polyrhythms much more easily.

sodiumnightlife, Friday, 20 June 2008 11:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

The version of Skepta's "The Rolex Sweep" on the Marcus Nasty set with Shantie and Rankin' is the Fingeprint remix. One of the hardest, most insane funky tracks I've heard: the rhythm is a total mess (in a brilliant way). Nothing to do with house at all!

Mind you Donaeo's "African Warrior" is pretty fucking hard as well. Reminds me a bit of the dub of the Wideboys' "Something's Got Me Started", but harder. Love the clash between the rhythm and Donaeo's strained R&B vocals, though he does some MCing here too (actually more like R Kelly singjay).

Likewise if you listen to Roska's "Climate Change", the only kicks are on the 1 and the 4, which gives it a feeling of a groove that starts and kinda ends in house but goes all over the place in the middle of each bar.

Tim F, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 15:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

Wow the dub of "African Warrior" is even more menacing. Check the bass!

Tim F, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 15:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

Fingerprint's Remix of Footloose's Just Leave is pretty aggro as well.

Funny, considering the tune's lyrics advise the rude boys to "just leave" the dance before starting anything.

Siah Alan, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 18:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

that Rolex Sweep Remix is amazing. the last Marcus Nasty set has been doing it for me in a big way. so varied, so sick. does anyone have anything approaching a tracklist?

nice one to those bringing the knowledge here already! thanks!

Benjamin, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 22:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

On his 1xtra radio show this week Footloose claims the Rolex Sweep remix had never been played before by anyone and had only just been completed - someone's telling someone porkies.

Benjamin do you mean the set with Rankin and Shanti?

The "sexy UK house" set with just Shanti is fantastic as well.

The first track is TNT's "Take It Low" (I wonder if this is not Skepta on the vocals too - e.g. the "single"/"mingle" couplet).

Still really want to ID the track on there that samples Jagged Edge - "Rolling down the lonely highway/asking God to please forgive me..."

Tim F, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 23:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

I mean "Take It Low" is the first track on the Shantie/Rankin set.

Tim F, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 23:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

oh i think it must be a different one, the one i mean opens with that track sampling jagged edge, then rolex sweep comes in third track in.

this one crazy track later on really pushes home how diverse the sound is at the moment, sounds like a soca-inflected expansion on the breakdown from Sugar Daddy, ridiculous vibes. need to get to one of these raves very soon.

also really feeling the Roska stuff. and loads of other ones i don't know the names of. does anyone have a myspace address for Fingerprint?

Benjamin, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 23:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

Maybe we've just got the tracks in different order.

Can't access myspace from this computer, but Fingerprint's definitely got a page, a lot of the other producer's pages link to it. But last time I checked (about a week ago) he didn't have his ruffer tracks up I don't think. "The Print" and "The Print (2008 Remix)" are both very good though.

Tim F, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 23:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

I'm still not convinced, this is why on my facebook profile it says I like house (not funky). Just doesn't work for me.

VeronaInTheClub, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 00:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

oh wait i actually meant Sugar Is Sweeter not Sugar Daddy. and its actually quite an inappropriate reference point. ah well!

where are you hearing those Fingerprint tracks Tim?

Benjamin, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 12:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

found it...

http://www.myspace.com/fingaprint

Benjamin, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 13:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

STRICTLY VIBES: UK Funk House Essentials

Tim F, Monday, 30 June 2008 14:58 (6 years ago) Permalink

It does mystify me that there isn't more of a groundswell of support for this stuff. There's, like, 5 regulars on this thread? Grime got much more of a response from ILX/the world at large.

Am I the only one who thinks this music is clearly as exciting as that was? (probaby even more so?)

Where are the epic Simon Reynolds thinkpieces eh.

Tim F, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 15:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

Am I the only one who thinks this music is clearly as exciting as that was? (probaby even more so?)

Wake me up when the Funky House 'Junior Spesh' rolls into view....

linea, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 15:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

Am I the only one who thinks this music is clearly as exciting as that was? (probaby even more so?)

more so

deej, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 16:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

Marcus Nasty has two new mixes up in his Facebook group, FREE MIX CDS.

I don't like them quite as much as his other recent ones though, partly because they're a little bit more conservative, but perhaps mostly because they're missing Shantie, who I rather unfairly now consider to be the voice of funky house (I'm astonished at how much I love this guy).

Also Marcus has done a 2 hour set for BBC 1Xtra (with tracklisting! Finally!) that I still need to check out. This looks good:

Skepta / Wiley / Donao – Rolex Sweep (Special)
Seasons – Little Silver
Frontline – Eye Blue / Princess
Sirens – Hard House Banton
Reign – Hard House Banton
Bongo Jam – Crazy Cousins
The Way We Get Down – Vibe
Jungle Boy – Intramental
Tell Me – DJ NG (Genius Remix)
Marcus Special – Lightning Exclusive
Would You Mind – Kyla Ft Crazy Cousins
Quick Time – DJ Naughty (VIP Mix)
Piece Of Heaven – Beat Players Ft Lara McClarren
Stomper – Seany B
Gimme That 08 Remix – Mario Productions
Mr Seduction – Seany B
Brazillia – Baby Face J
Post Room Remix – Little Silver (Marcus Nasty Special)
Sheaneka – JP2
General remix – Malice
Liberty – Scotty D
Live Wire – Norris Da Boss
Bad Habits – Marc Ambience
The Music – Hard House Banton
In The Air – Perempae
Yellow Yail – Genius
Mario – Mario Productions
Terminator – JME
Funky Flex – Little Silver
Take Over – VIP Mix (Invasion Recordings)
Devil In A Blue Dress – Doneo
African Warrior – Doneo
Believe In Love – Rosca
Climate Change – Rosca
Speechless – Mystery
Flawless – Malice
Blanka – JME
Bad Habit – Malice
Make You Move – Seany B
Topper 5 Remix – Swif Joy
Im Right Here – MA1 Naughty Remix
Visions – Malice
Mind Body And Soul – TNT
Rock 2 The Beats – Kurupt Rec
Girl Like Me – Naughty Ft Addictive
Rising Sun – Invasion Rec
Level – Fuzzy Logic
Mr Bean Remix – Sypro
Take It The Top – Misa Mix ft Nia
Take It Low – Lev
High – Doneo
Things Have Changed – Mattalic

(TNT's "Mind, Body & Soul" is the vocal version of "Rumba", for those of you playing at home. It's the one with sassy diva going "'cos when the sun goes down my baby got me out of control..")

Tim F, Thursday, 3 July 2008 00:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

oi finners chuck us those mix links, i don't do fb

will swap for the wiseguy 1xtra shortcut LIKE SO

rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/1xtra/allstar_mix.ra

r|t|c, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

Marcus and Rankin on Deja Vu 28.06.08: http://www.sendspace.com/file/5vk5c5

Marcus, Sharkey P and L.E.V. Ayia Napa Send Off: http://www.sendspace.com/file/710yjc

Tim F, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

safe.

mainly wanted cos "a little bit more conservative" strikes me for two reasons: been lazy and catching up, and also that some of the latest developments detailed above i found perturbing wrt their boshing aggression; while there were bits of nasty crew in even the earliest 08 marcus sets they still never cleaved as close to grime as something like 'african warrior' dub - yeah there's polyrhythms there and whatnot, but if you'd called it "any random skepta therapy session (paradox drumfunk remix)" nary an eyelid would be bat. seems a bit besides the point?

r|t|c, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

(this... this is the world's 1st funky formalist audition right?)

r|t|c, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

One of the things I should have talked more about in my blog post above (but I was kinda feverish and just wanted to finish it) is how even the most grimey of, say, Marcus's sets have heaps of relatively more conservative tunes, falling into two basic categories:

1) The diva vocal tunes ("Do You Mind", "Tell Me", "I Tried", "Dirty Thoughts", "I See You", "Make Your Move", "High Heels" etc.) - there's no necessary correlation between the vocal and the ruffness of the groove (hence "Rumba" becomes "Mind, Body & Soul") although yeah we're not likely to see vocal versions of Roska or Apple tunes any time soon.

2) The deep house tunes, which (in Marcus's sets) are mostly along the lines of Jerome Sydenham/Dennis Ferrer/Quentin Harris (not that these three guys all sound the same, but that's the space in which these tunes fall) - tunes like Perempay's "Hypnotic", and heaps of others I can't name. Lots of simple but sexy 4X4 beats, spare piano chords and strings.

At the moment as far as I can tell no-one's really playing sets that are wall to wall harder tunes from Apple/Roska/Footloose/"African Warrior (Dub)" etc. And heaps of producers fall on each side of the line, like Seany B has made "Stompa" and "Make Your Move", "Dirty Thoughts"; Footloose has his hard remixes and "Just Leave", same for Fingerprint with his recent remixes and "The Print".

"African Warrior (Dub)" isn't as good as the vocal version for the precise (and rather boring coming from me) reason that it sacrifices that perfect balance between singalong vocal tune and hard as nails groove.

Tim F, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah ok, that seems fair. funny to think of it now but i almost feel like i'd wrestled with similar demons whilst wondering if it was right that i should enjoy 'what goes around' that much more than 'leader'. innocent times.

anyway 4 those in the gallery seats, here to illustrate these points is dj naughty's 'tough luck', sandwiched between said 'african warrior' and 'tribal warfare' by a little "but only a very little" bit funky, taped off footloose:

http://www.zshare.net/audio/146008334ca80c19/

ps. 'tough luck' is the good one.

pps. i should add that i am in no way unsympathetic to the socabeat theology as is.

r|t|c, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

I guess i feel like I'm torn between the two emerging polar positions here. There are some people who say "oh yeah funky house is worthless except for Apple".

Which seems like the argument you'd make if you'd been into dubstep and grime but never got garage itself.

Conversely though I think the scene became really interesting at the point where its range expanded to include light vocal house tunes at one end and Apple at the other. It's the range itself, and the way all of these things are blended into one coherent genre, which I find interesting.

On one of the Marcus/Shantie sets Marcus mixes straight from "Hypnotic" into "Climate Change", and it's a spectacular feat of mixing both technically (the solitary string flares in "Hypnotic" slotting perfectly into an empty space in "Climate Change") and erm thematically - the transition is an embodiment of the openness in this music that possibly can't/won't last.

Tim F, Thursday, 3 July 2008 02:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I guess that paradox-bosh sound on "African Warrior (Dub)" and "Tribal Warfare" sounds a bit oppressive in the context of two out of the three tracks, but are there any other tracks that even sound like that? They make the ominous-soca of Footloose or Baby Faced Jay's "Tribal Zone" sound a lot more peppy and girly by comparison.

Some of the tracks on DJ Naughty's myspace (not specified as they're mixed together as a segment from a live set) are verging on Germanic deepness, very much Innervisions meets Liebe*Detail.

Ha ha I could sorta imagine funky house audiences liking Ed Davenport's "Eyepspeak" or Tiger Stripes' "Hooked" actually.

Tim F, Thursday, 3 July 2008 02:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

the transition is an embodiment of the openness in this music that possibly can't/won't last.

haha yeah it's like what you were saying on the tropical thread about proto-paradise interregna and such, only now it's almost as if there's already an immanent strain of of melancholy there for whatever disappointing compromises that lie ahead once this all ossifies.

for my part, i guess my vector is still gonna be that marcus set i attended - but then the spare tautness of that whole vibe, and the interplay with the mc, is always unlikely to fashion itself a foothold in any kind of realworld record sale product. 'do you mind' is actually probably the one vocal tune that's gripping yet unobtrusive enough to stay true to that side, somehow. but it still sounds fantastic on daytime radio.

also, that glint of dancehall in there hasnt really panned out has it. links of what i thought mightve been abrew in a sec!

r|t|c, Thursday, 3 July 2008 02:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

http://www.zshare.net/audio/1460480207997596/

munga's 'early morning' on corleone's atmopshere riddim (which sank without trace) - trace of lonely compulsion in there a bit like 'push the feeling on' or something maybe?

http://www.zshare.net/audio/14604826acab64d7/

ding dong's 'go away'... won't spoil this one.

r|t|c, Thursday, 3 July 2008 03:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

Re: roughness...

Actually for me the most exciting thing about this scene is the over 'sexy' element to a lot of it. There's been this weird and persistent de-sexualising of dance genres for ages, and you could see funky as being the turn of that tide. And I particularly like the fact that the sexiness here isn't the self-consciously 'adult' kind but quite often feels a lot rawer and more teenage - something that you could argue only 2step and disco ever nailed before (with obvious exceptions of hip hop/rnb and jamaican styles).

I'm obviously lacking any first hand experience of clubs/raves that play this stuff, but it seems to me that being in an environment where you hear primarily DJ Naughty, Perempay and vocal tunes might actually be more unique and different than one in which it's all hard percussive Apple-style stomp...

J@cob, Thursday, 3 July 2008 03:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

I have a question. How mainstream/underground is this stuff in Britain?

The Reverend, Thursday, 3 July 2008 05:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

omg we were just discussing this in aol chatroom's 'chatz'!

Tape Store, Thursday, 3 July 2008 05:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

omg motherfucker!

The Reverend, Thursday, 3 July 2008 06:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

Well, 'wearing my rolex' charted...

I'd tend to think 'underground' is kind of an irrelevant descriptor for this stuff. It's populist music that isn't popular yet.

J@cob, Thursday, 3 July 2008 07:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

Woah, Skykicking revived!??!?1?/!?!

Raw Patrick, Thursday, 3 July 2008 07:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

I'm thinking that it might be worth reviving just to post stuff about funky house.

"proto-paradise interregna and such"

rtc this is surely in yr top twenty or so. Though "driven home in the somnambulance" remains number 1 always and forever.

It's at least gonna be interesting to see what happens with this stuff. It's not necessarily a case of light&sexy-->hard&masculine, although that's one obvious trajectory for it. Garage is an interesting example here: when 2-step took over the music actually got more lighthearted and poppy than it had been in speed garage's immediately preceding boom boom bassline era, as if the revelation of the 2-step beat itself gave the rest of the music some temporary breathing space in which it didn't have to busy itself with wowing the headz.

If we're gonna isolate syncopated stompadelic producers then I prefer Roska to Apple, but I still don't want Roska's sound to take over the scene. Would much prefer the dominant sound to be a kind of R&B Mark II - only with a more viable/accessible rhythmic basis than R&B Mark I. A tune like Diamond's "Champagne Dance" is as WTF groovewise as anything else but it is also great singalong material. And if tunes like that became the common ground you could see the current arrangement whereby sets can also accommodate both deeper housey tunes and frantic soca-inspired tunes, at least temporarily.

Tim F, Thursday, 3 July 2008 08:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

x-post: i would say still pretty underground - i dont see much stuff written abt it or advertised at many club nights. but i'm in london - is london meant to be the centre of the scene?? or is it elsewhere.

o and great to see skykicking back!

t_g, Thursday, 3 July 2008 09:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

is london meant to be the centre of the scene??

Yes.

The one place very near me that did put on this kinda thing has just changed to an indie night instead.

Raw Patrick, Thursday, 3 July 2008 10:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

:(

t_g, Thursday, 3 July 2008 11:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

haha tim i will never fathom yr fondness for that terrible jamaican patient spiel.

appears malice is our 'gabreille' dubber btw:

http://www.myspace.com/diamondindaruffproductions

r|t|c, Thursday, 3 July 2008 20:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

Wake me up when the Funky House 'Junior Spesh' rolls into view....

-- linea, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 15:15 (Yesterday) Link

roll into view you say?

r|t|c, Thursday, 3 July 2008 20:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

Well, 'wearing my rolex' charted...

I'd tend to think 'underground' is kind of an irrelevant descriptor for this stuff. It's populist music that isn't popular yet.

-- J@cob, Thursday, July 3, 2008 8:25 AM (12 hours ago)

It is very underground. It doesn't have much of a foothold anywhere outside of London at all and even their it's not the main thing going on.

And "Wearing my Rolex" doesn't really have much to do with this to my ears (just straight up electro-house really, surely?).

jim, Thursday, 3 July 2008 20:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

ozzie b checks in

(tune sounds a lot better in the middle of the "Marcus, Sharkey P and L.E.V. Ayia Napa Send Off" set above)

r|t|c, Saturday, 5 July 2008 11:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

unless it's real... jungle funky i don't wanna hear it. i can't stand that fast fake ass dance music that sounds about 10 years too slow

usic, Saturday, 5 July 2008 11:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

i want a jam i can shake my shoulders to and circle around moving weight. vibrate, etc. i don't want some corny shitty breakbeat alternating while some fag samples horns without any high complexity much less meaningfun resolution. i hate this genre

usic, Saturday, 5 July 2008 11:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

want

The Reverend, Saturday, 5 July 2008 22:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

Loving Apple's "Bean Get Well Soon". The track on his myspace labeled "SAMPLE of wots to come" is interesting with its combination of funky-styled drums and bassline-style...bassline.

The Reverend, Sunday, 6 July 2008 00:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

suppose it would be shortsighted to find mc versatile's work on TEH FUNKY ANTHEM (aka 'gabryelle' x crazy cousinz x shout-pouts to everyone in the scene) a tad embarassing huh

r|t|c, Monday, 7 July 2008 12:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

haha 'shout-pouts'... shout-pouts to all my homies 4real

r|t|c, Monday, 7 July 2008 12:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

maybe it's just cos marcus then follows with the gorgeous murk of geeneus 'piece of heaven' right after

also yeah, what is that hott analogue dialtone salsa bubbler that goes "get on - the floor!"

r|t|c, Monday, 7 July 2008 12:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

Trying to think of a track that could actually be described as a series of "shout-pouts".

Maybe Skepta's shock claim "Soulja Boy can't dance like me."

Isn't Teh Funky Anthem really an MC version of Crazi Cousinz (superior) "High Heels" - the one that goes "I got my high heels on, and the DJ is playing my favourite song. I'm sipping on JD, and i admit I am feeling a little tipsy..."

Hoping I never live to see a house track offering a shout-pout to Jim Beam though.

xpost: RTC that's Delio D’Cruz ft. K Cat – Get On The Floor

Tim F, Monday, 7 July 2008 12:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

duh ok! still terrible with names right now... don't recall that 'high heels' being quite as stabby but i shall defer.

http://rinsefm.blogspot.com/2008/07/ma1-28th-june.html
http://rinsefm.blogspot.com/2008/07/dj-ng-27th-june.html

been enjoying these most recent ma1 and ng rinse sets also. they are not nearly as kaleidoscopical as the prime marcus cuts or anything, but still some good head-down deep snaking skanking business i feel.

hah i think between funky and riding for bbe and whatnot on the other thread i might be going thru some sort of "once and future king of west london" jazzy herb phase.

r|t|c, Monday, 7 July 2008 12:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

btw if anyone missed that marcus 1xtra allstar mix from last week i done nicked it and can put up if need be. ooh hello it's a mj cole mix now!

r|t|c, Monday, 7 July 2008 12:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

If it would not be too much trouble that'd be rad. I only got to the first hour.

Tim F, Monday, 7 July 2008 12:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

here

here also is a vid from the frontlines of the dangerous living room afterparty scene.

(busy signal 'step out' over 'leader' though :DDDDD)

r|t|c, Monday, 7 July 2008 15:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

smoovie t linked to this thread on his myspace blog

although yeah we're not likely to see vocal versions of Roska or Apple tunes any time soon.

there's at least this version of 'apple bubble'

dbs, Monday, 7 July 2008 22:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

Marcus and Rankin on Deja Vu 28.06.08: http://www.sendspace.com/file/5vk5c5

Got a track id on the ravey one about 15 minutes in?

J@cob, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 01:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

It does mystify me that there isn't more of a groundswell of support for this stuff. There's, like, 5 regulars on this thread? Grime got much more of a response from ILX/the world at large.

Am I the only one who thinks this music is clearly as exciting as that was? (probaby even more so?)

Where are the epic Simon Reynolds thinkpieces eh.

-- Tim F, Wednesday, July 2, 2008 10:00 AM (5 days ago) Bookmark Link

to be honest, i think its probably good we dont have these things??

deej, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 01:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

Deej the issue here is genuine enthusiasm for what's being discussed. Reynolds' piece on 2-step for The Wire in 1999 was so good that I've spent the last 9 years writing roundabout homages to it.

Tim F, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 03:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yes but arguably 2step in 1999 was at the culmination of 2-3 years of development and refinement of its basic structures and sounds. It was so much more fully formed as an aesthetic and a scene than 'funky' is right now.

Right now it's much more like when people were talking about 'sunday scene' and 'RIPGroove' first came out and the potential that had to eventually evolve into 2step.

J@cob, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 08:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

Also, re: dubstep - if you place the origins of the sound with Horsepower and Ghost and Hatcha then it probably didn't get its 'media break' until at least 2 years later, once Skream broke big...

I mean don't get me wrong I think funky does suffer from being too girly/commercial sounding for most crits/bloggers to get excited about it, but it's also early days.

J@cob, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 08:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

that song on the 1xtra marcus nasty mix @ 54:20 is great - anyone got a title?

deej, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 02:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

this is a totally ilx-ish reference but it reminds me of luciano's "madre mother mere" or whatever it was called

deej, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 02:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

ha it goes into an opera-y singing thing that sounds perfectly all over the place in a basement jaxx way. or maybe thats the next song?

deej, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 02:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

and the vocal track @ 61:10 is killin it too

deej, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 02:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

Ha ha Jess said to me in an e-mail that he really wants to hear the funky house track I described as sounding like Cadenza + Bounty Killer samples.

I will make some attempts at track IDs this evening folks - thanks for posting those mixes rtc and jacob!

"Right now it's much more like when people were talking about 'sunday scene' and 'RIPGroove' first came out and the potential that had to eventually evolve into 2step."

I dunno, couldn't you say the "sunday scene" moment was when "The Cure & The Cause" first blew up? I don't know whether these scenes map on to one another timewise really, but if I had to guess I'd say this is the equivalent of 1998 for 2-step.

Ha ha let's do track equivs:

"The Whole Night (Crazi Cousinz Mix)" = "My Desire (Dreem Teem Mix)"
"Feeline" = "Destiny"
"Bongo Jam" = "Straight From The Heart"
"Yellowtail" = "Spirit of the Sun (S. Gurley Mix)"
"Hypnotic" = "Sincere"
"Segalizer" = "Kaotic Madness"
"Leader" = "Madness On The Streets"

Tim F, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 02:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

deej: http://youtube.com/watch?v=D8e4iWhQHYc

('live wire', nice try marcus!)

quite neat that rose windross should find herself in the midst of all this really.

r|t|c, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 03:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

and yeah otm it is very jaxxy indeed what with the fake capleton-sounding guy in there as well

also 61:10 vocal: http://www.myspace.com/djperempay

r|t|c, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 03:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

http://www.myspace.com/urbance - i like this new 'to be vocalled soon i hope' melancholy banger on ng's page

(amazing pink bruise sunrise in ldn right now giving me a cheapo napa moment haha)

r|t|c, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 04:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

j@cob you notice the bit in your ravey one where it goes "mario play the bloodclaat bass"? yeah.

r|t|c, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 04:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

I mean don't get me wrong I think funky does suffer from being too girly/commercial sounding for most crits/bloggers to get excited about it, but it's also early days.

Dissensus/Wire-types are mystifyingly into Rustie and aquacrunk/wonky or whatevs rather than this stuff.

Raw Patrick, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 07:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

xpost: thanks!

Nobody else pick up on that tune? It's doing something quite different with the cheap synth sounds apple uses...

J@cob, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 08:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah "Mario Play The Bloodlclart" (that ravey tune) is great! The use of the synths feels like an extension on a kind of perky carnivalesque siren thing that quite a few tunes do - see Baby Faced Jay's "Tribal Zone" for example.

Tim F, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 09:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

Carnivalesque = Jaxxy?

Jaxx:Funky :: Todd Edwards:2step?

J@cob, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 09:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yes! This is why I'm hoping Basement Jaxx get counter-inspired on their next album and return to their roots a bit (and abandon their pointless recent attempts to beat nu-rave at its own game).

Tim F, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 11:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

APHRODISIAX - UNFINISHED BUSINESS

OMG this is so fucking next level.

It's like a funky equiv. of James Lavonz's "Mash Up Da Venue" or the Bump & Flex Dancehall Dub of "All I Do".

Check the myspace for a sample:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=368460659

Actually it sorta sounds almost like IDM in isolation - better in the mix where its essential housiness shines through.

Tim F, Friday, 11 July 2008 14:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

Their "Keep it Moving" is also massive, though again I didn't quite realise it till I heard it in the mix - in Footloose's show for this week.

Also on that mix, Bearfoot Monk's "Wearwolf" is another so-wired-it's-almost-IDM track - makes me think of The Black Dog.

Tim F, Friday, 11 July 2008 15:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

Great Arms Remix of Lloyd's "How We Do It In The A" too.

Tim F, Friday, 11 July 2008 15:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

that Aphrodisiax track reminds me a lot of early Luciano, but ruffffer. which is a really really good thing!

feeling that Producer Mario track a very very great deal. is he the one behind that tune which samples Jagged Edge?

big up once again all of you guys bringing the sets and knowledge, massive appreciation

Marcus Nasty on 1xtra is sounding ridiculous

Benjamin, Monday, 14 July 2008 22:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

Not really funky, but how nice is Davinche and Tinie Tempah - "Tears"? It's like funky is even re-galvanising grime to become sunnier and more clubby. He even says "Davinche, we bringing grime back to the clubs" in the intro...

(disclaimer goes here if this track is actually like 6 months old)

J@cob, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 03:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

Fuck the current Footloose show is so good. Get on it before it disappears in maybe 24 hours or so!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/footloose/

Tim F, Monday, 21 July 2008 15:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yo does anyone know the identity of that insane remix of "Bongo Jam" on the Marcus Nasty June show with Rankin? Not the DJ Naughty remix or the live version from their myspace, it's kind of rattling funk though.

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 13:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

Also the VIP remix of "Feeline" that's playing on the new Footloose show (follow the link above - it's about three songs in) is just insane.

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 13:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

OMG Dub Boy's "Funky Underground" is more next level shit - those rolling drums!

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 13:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

this Footloose show is amazing, thanks Tim. these guys are demonstrating / cultivating an EMBARRASSMENT of riches. i cannot wait to get myself to a rave

Benjamin, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 21:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

OK, I listened to this crap. Can I have the last eight minutes of my life back?

-- Display Name, Monday, April 21, 2008 9:49 PM (3 months ago) Bookmark Link

lols

deej, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

(gread stuff in this thread. i always imagine when i open this thread it'll just be a picture of someones ass or something. ok back to yall)

goole, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

"It does mystify me that there isn't more of a groundswell of support for this stuff. There's, like, 5 regulars on this thread? Grime got much more of a response from ILX/the world at large.

Am I the only one who thinks this music is clearly as exciting as that was? (probaby even more so?)"

No, I'm with you on that. Definite shades of 2003 grime for me but coupled with something I felt I missed by not catching 2-step in the moment. The energy's just too intoxicating. Growing interest has turned into unhealthy obsession for me in the last couple of months.

I only just discovered this gold mine of a discussion though, thanks to Siah I think. Here I was hanging around Dissensus wondering why the Funky thread there was so quiet...

paul nomos, Saturday, 26 July 2008 13:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, this is basically 2-step redux for me, in terms of my relationship to the music. It's just so vibey. Except i got into 2-step in the second half of 99 when it was already fully-formed, pretty much. It feels like such a privilege to watch this music unfold before my ears.

Tim F, Sunday, 27 July 2008 13:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

MORE VIBES, MORE PRESSURE

Tim F, Sunday, 27 July 2008 14:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

Sound quality ain't the best but the Mak10 DejaVu FM set on Butterz has same bad boy tunes.

http://verybutterz.blogspot.com/2008/07/free-mixes-from-mak-10.html

Tim F, Monday, 28 July 2008 15:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

hi thread! nothing much to say, happy to listen, happy to boggle at footloose playing 3 boss tunes as varied as

Donae’o – African Warrior
Delinquent ft Kcat – I Got You (Delio D’Cruz Mix)
Roska – Feeline VIP

straight out the gate and for it to still make total sense, happy to continue to let finney formation dat, left to the right. hurrah.

wondering what that ace carl craig 69-ey thing is in between marlon b 'funky angel' and fuzzy logic's 'work the love' about 1:84 into that show.

i should also like to add to the above (perhaps irrelevantly to some) that in listening to various other shows (ng/ma1/half of rinse these days) in lieu of marcus' singular uh, funky alembic i've been truly impressed at the health of the uk house scene in general, so much so that i could almost forgive them getting crabby about their new attention.

r|t|c, Monday, 28 July 2008 18:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

havent yet heard jme's 'terminator' or 'blanka', but i'm thinking why bother waking up an old grime thread for this hotness eh

http://www.zshare.net/audio/16128003c4a554e1/

r|t|c, Monday, 28 July 2008 18:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

crazy cousinz newie called 'don't u like the way' is some swanky excellence

r|t|c, Monday, 28 July 2008 18:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

Feeline review is up at RA. Come bring the hate.

Jacobw, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 02:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

Great piece Jacob! I wonder though how many people will know what "Destiny" is though...

You don't mention "Climate Change" the track in your review - what do you think of it?

I agree that "Pyramids" is kinda like a variation on a theme, like one of those Apple reworks of "Mr Bean".

Tim F, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 02:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

Roska didn't send me 'Climate change' as part of the promo pack so I don't actually know!

Jacobw, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 03:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

Also - I preferred my original opening sentence - "this is not the house of your fathers" but editor changed that...

Jacobw, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 03:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

as we were sitting down to dinner last night in like 100 degree heat some car parked outside our house and then started playing 'some times i wake up early in the morning, to play my con-con-congo' real loud. it was awesome.

t_g, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 07:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

"Feeline is like dubstep with a sex drive"

Snickers quietly,

Right on Jacob.

Siah Alan, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 09:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

"Roska didn't send me 'Climate change' as part of the promo pack so I don't actually know!"

:-( Where is my promo. Jacob download the Marcus Nasty "Sexy UK House Set" with Shantie on the mic (from Marcus's myspace) - it has a fabulous mix from Perempay's "Hypnotic" into "Climate Change", and Shantie's pretty great over it too.

It's kind of like a better, more impacting, more focused version of "Pyramids".

Tim F, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 11:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

oh there is an ilm thread, i had no idea! i spent much of the weekend getting into this - initial super-faves are the perempay & dee rmx of ma1/sophia's 'i'm right here' (so...blissful and generous), perempay and clea soul's 'time to let go' (she sounds like minnie riperton!), the tawiah rmx already mentioned here, and above all dj ng's 'tell me' - so ominous and propulsive!

lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 11:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

"happy to boggle at footloose"

Yeah I'm increasingly thinking that Footloose is such an interesting selector, he's so rangy and unpredictable, though Marcus has the advantage of MCs.

But, like, that Suges "We Belong To The Night" track, which isn't even UK funky and is (I can only assume) pretty obscure, works perfectly enmeshed with pretty fucked up tracks from Aphrodisiax and the like. His sets are full of this kind of intuitive connection.

Tim F, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 14:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

does anyone know of any archived Footloose shows? i'd love to have some to listen to away from the computer... agree 100% with the sentiments expressed above, he is a superb dj, amazing selection and sequencing

enjoyed your blog piece Tim

Benjamin, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 20:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

But, like, that Suges "We Belong To The Night" track, which isn't even UK funky and is (I can only assume) pretty obscure, works perfectly enmeshed with pretty fucked up tracks from Aphrodisiax and the like. His sets are full of this kind of intuitive connection.

yeah. at least one can rest smug in the knowledge we won't hear any dj gregory or seamus haji, though.

r|t|c, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 21:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

That DJ Gregory remix that starts off this week's show is excellent!

I think this is the key to Footloose's use of more "conventional" US house - quality control. Perhaps because he's not invested in some notion of the UK funky house scene as an elaborate homage to the US he seems to plump only for particularly catchy/inventive US tracks.

Tim F, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 22:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

i take it his all-american house special for the 4th july was good then?

r|t|c, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 23:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

Probably, but I didn't catch that one so I'm not sure. Looks good though - lots of Kenny Dope.

Tim F, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 23:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

tsk, set up the trap and now i cant be bothered. i agree with your original assertion of footloose as master juxtaposer, but then the idea that he's only like, creaming off the top of boring old house - i mean would you really have noticed 'we belong to the night' as something special if it were in a less kaleido context? i wouldntve. this follows on (praps overdeterminedly) from jacob's dig, which, while probably just being a well-meaning lunge for a bit of hype, also rings somewhat unfairly: "younger, hungrier, and freed almost entirely from the Chicago tradition" - young, hungry and free enough to giddily embrace chicago tradition until its not tradition anymore, maybe?

it's gonna be v interesting listening to a new set by marcus & co after all this footsie fun, anyway.

r|t|c, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 23:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

also o what joy to hear footloose say his mix of 'thats gangsta' is doing well and has a video that'll be on mtv! hah if some batshit spazz stomper with sheek louch shouting out d-block over and over ends up caning the charts then i actually will enlist in the navy or something ready 2 die for this excellent island.

r|t|c, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 23:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

really can't decide what to rave about most so far - maybe seani b 'lift me up', another vintage nasty crew style carnival tank; fuzzy logik 'cuban linq' and funky akatriel 'on & on', more salsa madness; or maybe the malice rmx of quentin harris, which is just fucking jawdropping

r|t|c, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 00:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

Dream Sellers – House Music Lives: a banger that doesnt lie

r|t|c, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 00:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

btw benjamin i'm taping these as of last week, will upload at some point

r|t|c, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 00:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

great news about the recordings :) many thanks!

Benjamin, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 00:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

natalie brooms' insane texas-via-birmingham diva elocution - "yr more to me than a faynt-a-see / buhlee me buy-bee ima muyk you seeeee" -somehow managing to redeem this rote tj cases number

r|t|c, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 00:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

I've only just started listening to this week's show and will have to listen to the rest tonight, but:

Yes! The Malice remix of Quentin's "My Joy" is simply massive, too-too-intense but also very respectful to the original track.

"On & On" is excellent also.

" i agree with your original assertion of footloose as master juxtaposer, but then the idea that he's only like, creaming off the top of boring old house - i mean would you really have noticed 'we belong to the night' as something special if it were in a less kaleido context? i wouldntve."

Yeah this is a good point. But I think that, because Footloose appears to consider soulfulness/deepness as a category of house music rather than the other way round, his US selections shore up rather than work against the essential diversity of the UK stuff.

Like, that Suges track is soulful and deep, and as you note it's deliberately used as a counterpoint to stuff like "Unfinished Business" which is at the other end of the spectrum. But beyond that, in and of itself it has a "something else" quality to it - a rhythmic irrepressibility perhaps - that makes it seem more than just a soulful/deep track. But you're right that it's the context in which it's spun that draws that "something else" quality out.

Even the all-US-house show seems to cover a really broad range - like, he uses the "all US" tag to justify playing stuff like "Who's Afraid Of Detroit".

Whereas sometimes with someone like Supa D you get the feeling that the devotion to the US stuff operates only insofar as US can be considered to be synonymous with a certain notion of soulfulness/deepness. This issue becomes especially clear when they do play the more obviously UK tracks because it's like there are two different vibes at work. Whereas the skill of Footloose's sets is that he makes it sound like one vibe.

Tim F, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 02:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

I guess another way to look at it is that Footloose's particular style of wide-ranging "house" produces an aesthetic that portrays all its constituent parts - becoming house as it appears under the light of redemption.

I genuinely believe this: the thinking-about-house that this genre implies (at least when not too beholden to either extreme of US house traditionalism or the kind of post-dubstep parsimony that can see value in Apple and Roska but no-one else) is pretty much the ideal aesthetic take on the form, or the best since early Chicago.

Which is I guess what you're saying rtc when you say "young, hungry and free enough to giddily embrace chicago tradition until its not tradition anymore".

Tim F, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 10:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

true enough about different dj vibes; perhaps when i lauded the health of the house scene i meant this, more than anything. mac 10 for instance - who i wasnt aware of even being into this stuff until i heard him sitting in for marcus last week - seems like he might be the median of marcus and footloose, with sort of a slightly chunkier grime kid sensibility. (havent put on the vu set yet mind.) quite interesting considering he was reknowned as a don of intensely focused jeff millsy micromixing when a grime dj.

The Malice remix of Quentin's "My Joy" is simply massive, too-too-intense but also very respectful to the original track.

yeah - how apposite to all this that some midlands fella's impure funkymix should also be the closest thing in forever (from what i've heard) to like, the essence of "house is a feeling" transcendence.

r|t|c, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 11:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

becoming house as it appears under the light of redemption

when you were wondered earlier why all this wasn't getting the exposure & exegesis of grime/2step/jungle i tried to imagine what the average punter was thinking, and haha the furthest i got - for all the innovations there've been, subtle and overt - was "just house music, innit." and then i realised that only a rattle-headed dissensian fool could ever consider this anything but a great thing.

r|t|c, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 11:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

Karizma – 33rd Street

haha, this is my carl craigy epic. you can find it on... GILLES PETERSON IN THE HOUSE EXCLUSIVES!!

http://www.amazon.com/Gilles-Peterson-House-Exclusives/dp/B0012JFCR4

which, jokes aside, actually looks like it might be banging.

r|t|c, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 11:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

ooh tawiah's 'every step' has a zed bias remix - anyone heard it?

r|t|c, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 12:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I think that's right. So many people are getting stuck on the name in an almost entirely fetishistic manner - like, "I will not listen to this music until it comes up with a new name for exactly what it already is."

x-post Yeah Zed played it on his allstar mix the other week, i was deliriously tired when I listened but I think it was very much a Maddslinky kind of affair.

I just picked up a promo copy of the Peterson comp, but haven't listened to it enough to take in much apart from the annoying promo disclaimers.

Tim F, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 12:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

i keep forgetting to register my adoration for the name "hard house banton".

r|t|c, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 13:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

It would be so awesome if those guys were like big Public Demand fans or something...

Anyway this:

i tried to imagine what the average punter was thinking, and haha the furthest i got - for all the innovations there've been, subtle and overt - was "just house music, innit." and then i realised that only a rattle-headed dissensian fool could ever consider this anything but a great thing.

...is exactly the reason for the Seamus Haji/freed from tradition stuff in the review. Because when I put up the Kyla review under the genre 'funky house' all the comments were basically in that vein e.g. "funky house? I didn't realise it was still 2002."

In fact I can't actually decide if I even WANT to convince these types of the worth of UK funky.

Anyway "Bring back the routemaster" is getting a proper release shortly. Reckon it'll be a novelty hit?

Jacobw, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 14:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah man, fuck a pyrrhic victory.

Anyway "Bring back the routemaster" is getting a proper release shortly. Reckon it'll be a novelty hit?

hah i imagine lying-ass boris johnson hopes not.

r|t|c, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 14:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

Tim, is there any set I could hear the Roska remix of Footloose's Just Leave on?

I'm really struggling to keep up with this scene, its been producing so much good stuff in such a short time. Really reminds me of how lost I felt when I first starting downloading grime vinyl rips off of DC++ in 2004.

I'm glad I can buy this music, took me forever to track down some of that grime on vinyl.

Siah Alan, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 17:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

I've been pretty one note on this thread haven't I.

I'm off to listen to as many radio sets as my roommates can stand.

Siah Alan, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 19:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

Um it's been on the last few Footloose sets on 1xtra but I don't think it's on the new one. It's surprisingly subdued, although very Roska sounding - sorta halfway between "Just Leave" and the original "Feeline".

I really want to hear the Fingerprint remix though!

Tim F, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 22:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

The DJ Jazzcool mix of Aaliyah's "Rock The Boat" is just lovely. The beats on this insane, but they complement rather than undermine the prettiness and fragility of the original.

Remixes of old tracks are quite useful from a critical-taxonomic perspective as well because they really train yr ears to the points-of-difference in the groove and production.

What is interesting re funky vis a vis 2-step (compare/contrast this remix with, say, "Stone Cold") is how, despite the greater proximity to house, the more avant end of funky often has less of the smooth "flow" I associate with 2-step. This remix feels arrested almost, like the producer has seized on a particular moment of groove-tension and turned it into an entire track. Probably something to do with the tempo: at the slightly slower speed the beats are heavier, so any syncopation has a deeply satisfying air of portentousness to it. You can't get past it. So a (relatively) smaller amount of syncopation has a greater impact.

I'm really not making sense. Listen to the track on Footloose's show and maybe some of what I'm trying to articulate will come across.

Tim F, Thursday, 31 July 2008 00:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

OMG "Cuban Linq"! Fuzzy Logic just seems to burst with ideas doesn't he. His "Polyfunk" is amazing too. These tracks (and "Leader" and "Twiss" obv) are just so restless, he can't resist piling new ideas on top of one another.

Probably the producer who makes the unacknowledged Basement Jaxx heritage most explicit.

Tim F, Thursday, 31 July 2008 00:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

Wookie & Ny's "Fallen" - so lush! (I guess Galleon deserves the credit for that though). Too too much goodness here.

Tim F, Thursday, 31 July 2008 00:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

"What is interesting re funky vis a vis 2-step (compare/contrast this remix with, say, "Stone Cold") is how, despite the greater proximity to house, the more avant end of funky often has less of the smooth "flow" I associate with 2-step. This remix feels arrested almost, like the producer has seized on a particular moment of groove-tension and turned it into an entire track. Probably something to do with the tempo: at the slightly slower speed the beats are heavier, so any syncopation has a deeply satisfying air of portentousness to it. You can't get past it. So a (relatively) smaller amount of syncopation has a greater impact.

I'm really not making sense."

i think it makes perfect sense. to expand on what you mention, a great deal of 2step dealt with micro-samples for percussion... tight and clipped fragments which built incredibly slick grooves. obviously you had some exceptions but broadly this was the case. wheras funky producers seem to relish a chunkier, lengthier, more clumsy sample palette. this automatically introduces a greater degree of 'arrest' or wonk, as rhythmic emphasis within any given hit is spread further away from the rhythmic grid. maybe im not making sense any more now!

another thing i was thinking about in a more technical sense is that most of these tracks have their drum programming set 'straight' rather than with the swing settings we associate with 2step. i think that by doing this, but of course with the syncopated echoes of garage and beyond in their minds, the producers are opening up many new possibilities of grooves. in this sense grime has obvious relevance, in its angularity and stiff rhythms

Benjamin, Thursday, 31 July 2008 07:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

i think also in both of these (and many more) senses Wookie was a visionary

Benjamin, Thursday, 31 July 2008 07:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

Hmm do you mean Wookie's old tracks? Cos yeah I can see how stuff like "Down On Me" really sets the tone for funky's rhythms in a lot of ways.

I'm glad you understood the point I was trying to get at! Yr reference to micro-samples is spot on, 2-step grooves could be astonishingly detailed without all that details necessarily interfering with the slickness o fthe groove.

The extent to which funky house mediates between 2-step and grime is very interesting in this regard: retaining grime's angularity but reinjecting it with sensuality. (it was perhaps the attempt to render the stiffness of grime sensuous on a groove level that makes KT Pearl's "Mr DJ" another obvious ancestor to this stuff in my opinion - in a way that, say, "Leave Me Alone" or Terra Danjah's productions aren't)

Tim F, Thursday, 31 July 2008 08:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeh precisely, Down On Me was the main track I had in mind, but some others apply too i think. on an anecdotal level, i've always been struck how it is near impossible to get Down On Me to sit in a mix with other 2step, then the other week i mixed it with Feeline VIP and it was like the grooves were built for one another..

another technical aspect to the rhythmic comparison is that wheras with 2 step (and much 90s/00s house) the emphasis was on fidgeting or jacking hihats and light-touch, minute syncopated ghost hits, mostly in the higher frequencies, with funky the hats seem to play a largely seconday role, while weightier (both in frequency and 'size') percussive elements take precedence in the groove.

Benjamin, Thursday, 31 July 2008 09:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

Spyro getting mucky on Rinse right now.

"Wookie was a visionary"

Absolutely, and he rarely gets the credit he deserves, not least from dubsteppers who've somehow written him out of the liturgy. But the man conquered wonky+rude years ago and his rhythmic sense is incredible. Even on a 4x4 the bassline will be tugging at all sorts of odd angles. I haven't heard much of his post-2004ish material, but he certainly foreshadowed aspects of the English take on Funky with some his Manchu beats.

I would love to hear Terror Danjah get on this stuff! Talk about mucked up riddimic sensibilities. And he has a sense of humour too.

paul nomos, Thursday, 31 July 2008 20:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

My GOD the Malice remix of "My Joy" is probably the greatest house track ever. It's like the skies open and you can suddenly see through time. It has actually made me tear up in response to its metaphysical largesse.

So OF COURSE Footloose mixes straight into "Feeline (VIP MIx)". I'm starting to think he gets a kick out of making his transitions as ostentatious as possible.

Tim F, Friday, 1 August 2008 08:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

i wish i had time to listen to these sets, they sound so hot :(

lex pretend, Friday, 1 August 2008 09:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah, the way footloose uses feeline vip - last week after delio d'cruz, equally insane, equally amazing - as like, an ideological swiss army jackknife is pretty much the crux of what's been said recently. funny really how you almost wanna keep a wary eye on feeline, given the way it rubs the continuuist belly so jarringly, but deploy properly and it's undeniably devastating. (still hope no one ever makes another one, though.)

malice's 'my joy' reminds me of 'knights of the jaguar', a bit.

r|t|c, Friday, 1 August 2008 11:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

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r|t|c, Friday, 1 August 2008 12:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

like, how can it be that it sounds both ever stronger AND ever weaker at the same time? tru sorcery

r|t|c, Friday, 1 August 2008 12:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

siah alan, here's a bit of footloose v roska:

http://www.zshare.net/audio/16356255b57530b3/

actually fucking hilarious that this of all tunes gets the dubstep treatment!!

r|t|c, Friday, 1 August 2008 12:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AH3DM3HA

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8DCPTR5L

ok here's last weeks and this weeks footloose shows for dl - plz excuse any slight skipping in there, did my best. MATT DC, RONAN, EVERYBODY, COME ONNNNN. blueski put away your lacrate nonsense, you too.

r|t|c, Friday, 1 August 2008 12:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

i know the track that started this thread is old news now, haaa, but i played it out last night (segue from cece p. 'finally') and it held the crowd the whole time ^_^

deej, Friday, 1 August 2008 14:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah but "The Whole Night" is the gift that keeps on giving - I mean, I've hardly heard a set that doesn't have it, still.

"malice's 'my joy' reminds me of 'knights of the jaguar', a bit."

This is spot-on. It's "Knights of the Jaguar" blown up into a massive diva anthem.

Tim F, Friday, 1 August 2008 21:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

Reynolds weighs in on funky house.

Tim F, Friday, 1 August 2008 22:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

damn. uptown had hard house banton's siren ep for about 8 hours today. already sold out :(

paul nomos, Friday, 1 August 2008 23:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

What's the tracklist?

Tim F, Friday, 1 August 2008 23:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

i have avoided this so far because i do not get the love for Crazi Cousins stuff at all altho it's interesting that 'Jaguar' is mentioned because i realised the track that 'do you mind' remix's bassline was reminding me of was octave one's 'blackwater'

blueski, Friday, 1 August 2008 23:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

Re: Hardhouse Banton tracklist - A side was 'Sirens' and 'Reign' for sure. Less sure about the flip. Possibly 'The Music' and then one more. It said test press so hopefully there'll be more.

paul nomos, Saturday, 2 August 2008 01:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

Of the four Hard House Banton tracks I know - those three plus "Turn It Around" - I reckon "Sirens" is probably the weakest actually, although still pretty good. Love the gothic backing vocals on "Reign".

Tim F, Saturday, 2 August 2008 01:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

One of my favourites for some time has been the bootleg remix of DJ Spen & DJ Technics' 'Gabryelle' by Diamondz In Da Ruff. I'd heard other official remixes of 'Gabryelle' being played for ages by funky DJs, and I think the original came out a few years ago now, but this mix is absolutley incredible. I think what appeals most is the almost menacing swagger of the beats in this refix.
Once again, like Steve Gurley in jungle/ukg and Macabre Unit in grime before them, these guys are somewhat north of London (bedford/mk) but are making crucial contributions.

I've just found this Funky site too.

btw I'd like to take credit for some of the marcus nasty adoration due to my post here a while back!

Ach!, Saturday, 2 August 2008 02:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I love those synth choir stabs on Reign. They remind me of 1991-ish Hypnotist. I see what you mean about Sirens but I really like it in the mix - seems tailor made for Frontline too.

I really hope that Gabryelle version comes out.

paul nomos, Saturday, 2 August 2008 03:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

How about "bongle"?

eurgh

deej, Saturday, 2 August 2008 09:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

damn. uptown had hard house banton's siren ep for about 8 hours today. already sold out :(

yeh i know! i was ready to sprint out of work on friday but they sold out so quick. definitely just tps though, that tune is going to be one of the biggest this year i reckon. i like Sirens a lot, its simple but so muscular, the most ridiculously powerful groove. looking forward to checking the rest of the EP

simon reynolds - "few things irritate me more than soca"

?! unbelievable.

although seriously does anyone know what that tune is he chats about from Marcus Nasty April?... that one is too much, haven't heard it anywhere else yet though

Benjamin, Saturday, 2 August 2008 17:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

also, many thanks r|t|c, very much appreciated :)

Benjamin, Saturday, 2 August 2008 18:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

also on the Wookie as visionary thing, African Warrior is pure Wookie / Exemen

Benjamin, Saturday, 2 August 2008 18:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

That tune is by grime producer Chunky Bizzle, Ben. Not sure what's it called.

Tim F, Saturday, 2 August 2008 23:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

I aint even that huge into soca but simon reynolds wtf

The Reverend, Sunday, 3 August 2008 09:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

now jamming: bongo jam

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-- deej, Thursday, June 12, 2008 5:17 AM (Thursday, June 12, 2008 5:17 AM) Bookmark Link

The Reverend, Sunday, 3 August 2008 09:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

I need to jam some Apple but I can't find mp3s of his shit

The Reverend, Sunday, 3 August 2008 09:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

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^^^^^ complete incompatability of tastes

The Reverend, Sunday, 3 August 2008 09:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

i mean fuck, half of what I love about funky is that it sounds like reggaeton

The Reverend, Sunday, 3 August 2008 09:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

and soca too

The Reverend, Sunday, 3 August 2008 09:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

And where next after bongomania? Steel drum sounds?!?

I would totally approve of this

The Reverend, Sunday, 3 August 2008 09:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

if it works for ringtone rap...

The Reverend, Sunday, 3 August 2008 09:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

otm

deej, Sunday, 3 August 2008 09:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

the other half of what I love about funky house other than it sounding like reggaeton and soca is that it kinda sounds like...uh... house

yeah

The Reverend, Sunday, 3 August 2008 10:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

ha ha that's three strikes for simon.

Tim F, Sunday, 3 August 2008 10:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

Really it's nice that this has come along in such a down year for reggaeton. I need to get my fill of BOOM-ch-boom-CHICK somewhere.

The Reverend, Sunday, 3 August 2008 10:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

Still keen to ID that Jagged Edge-sampling track on the Marcus Nasty + Rankin and Shantie show from April. I'm wondering if it's by Target - Marcus announces at the beginning of the show that he's got a track from Target he'll be playing later, and the piano plus moody synth bassline combo would seem to be right up Target's alley.

Tim F, Sunday, 3 August 2008 10:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

cheers for that ID Tim.

i might be wrong but i have an inkling that that Jagged Edge tune is Producer Mario, the aesthetic, vibe and samples all seem to fit perfectly. but ive been wrong about these things before. i guess also the percussion doesn't fit so well

Benjamin, Sunday, 3 August 2008 14:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ben you might be right. It's odd how producers often don't put their best tracks on their myspace pages.

Meanwhile I think I underestimated initially how much of a prospective anthem "Frontline" is.

Re SR's complaint of too much bongo-style percussion and evocation of live percussionists at house nights in the early 90s... This seems like an argumentative sleight of hand. The analogy implies a necessary reduction in vibe/intensity and air of anti-perspirant refinement: only tracks that are already relatively sedate could easily be accompanied by live percussionists, and the implication is that the music is not interesting enough by itself, it needs the added distraction of live percussionists.

But the funny thing about UK "funky house" is how the specific sounds are being used in an entirely different manner.

Something like DJ Naughty's "Quicktime (VIP Mix)" - a massive, inescapable anthem - is basically a grime 8-bar, with bongo samples and piano chords replacing electroid-beats and synth stabs. Rather than ripple calmly across the top of the groove, the bongo samples take centre stage and they're wielded aggressively.

Tim F, Sunday, 3 August 2008 22:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

someone PLEASE tell me where i can download some of these tracks, particularly the new Wookie ones. in this day & age, there's no way i'm buying records straight from the UK like I did in the olden days, not with the dollar in such shitty condition. Help an old 2-Step head!

BATTAGS, Sunday, 3 August 2008 23:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

listened to some of the Footloose show - wow why the hell is 90% of this stuff getting the 'house' label again let alone funky?

blueski, Sunday, 3 August 2008 23:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

'housoca'

blueski, Sunday, 3 August 2008 23:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

APHRODISIAX - UNFINISHED BUSINESS

yeah this is really something!

goole, Sunday, 3 August 2008 23:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

DJ Naughty interview on that site Ach! linked to is interesting:

"Now it's just simplicity my formula is stabby chords, Melodic bass and a mad beat for me really it's all in the groove of the drum pattern that does a lot"

Jacobw, Monday, 4 August 2008 02:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

Can anyone ID the track on the Marcus Nasty + Rankin set from June with the raucous soca beats and the bleepy melody somewhere between LFO and acid house? It's at about the 80 minute mark sandwiched between "Devil In A Blue Dress" and JME's "Blanka".

Tim F, Monday, 4 August 2008 05:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

Actually I think it's by Little Silver (grimiest producer on road?)...

Tim F, Monday, 4 August 2008 05:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

BTW thanks RTC for the Footloose sets and that JME track!

I was listening to Star In The Hood again today - so good. Any word on the new JME and Tinchy Strider albums? Good/bad/indifferent?

Tim F, Monday, 4 August 2008 09:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ha vaguely prescient:

One thing I could really see take off is really colourful 4X4 grime, which this sorta fits - sort of like a new take on soca-house.

-- Tim F, Thursday, December 6, 2007 1:56 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark Link

Tim F, Monday, 4 August 2008 14:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

you mean tinch's cloud 9 mixtape? it's very good though haven't given it enough of a chance to go beyond that yet. haven't heard the jme album...star in the hood was one of those albums which i loved on first listen, then forgot about and assumed i overrated it due to basic competence, then about five months after that it totally blew me away. how good is 'dance 4 now'?? BOK BOK BOK BOK! and ny is just gorgeous on 'hands of time'.

anyway the amount of goodness here is totally overwhelming and amazing...the footloose set from the 29th is really great. the wookie/ny track is special indeed (as are, oh, about 947843033823 others that i've heard these past two weekends)

lex pretend, Monday, 4 August 2008 16:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

No isn't there a new official Tinchy album? With "StryderMan" as first single?

Tim F, Monday, 4 August 2008 22:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

Fresh cut Roska interview with input from me, TimF and and Siah...

http://www.riddim.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=129&Itemid=1

More in the works!

paul nomos, Monday, 4 August 2008 23:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

Mario - Mario Play The Bloodclart Bass

about 66mins in on the Marcus NASTY mix

Absolutely sublime

Ach!, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 00:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

as much as i'd like to chop it up about jme and such, i think i'd much rather see luke skykicker overcome the dark forces of professional politesse and end his father's evil reign already.

congratulations to all at the riddim.ca global recon unit for an enlightening read anyway.

r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 01:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

"as much as i'd like to chop it up about jme and such, i think i'd much rather see luke skykicker overcome the dark forces of professional politesse and end his father's evil reign already."

I lost the thread of the extended metaphor somewhere here!

Tim F, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 01:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

Unless you mean do a hack job on blissblog.

Tim F, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 01:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

i read that as excellent metaphor.

I'M AN AFRICAN WAAAAAAARRIOR
ROLLIN SARCASTIC OUT OF HAND

r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 01:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

are you listening to this btw?!?!?! its incredible!

r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 01:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

What is "this"?

Tim F, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 01:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

footloose!

r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 01:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

Oh the tracklisting hasn't been updated so I didn't realise the new show was up. I'm at work but will check it out later today...

Tim F, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 02:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

hang on the girl on perempay's 'in the air' IS KATIE PEARL!

lex pretend, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 06:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

wheres the link to the footloose mix? if its 1xtra the link i found wasnt working for some reason

deej, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 07:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

For serious though my response to funky house negativity is slowly taking shape in the form of handwritten notes towards a blog entry.

Tim F, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 10:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

I felt a vicious screed full of ad hominems brewing over the last day or two, but I remembered a certain piece about 2-step in the Wire and decided not to take shots at one of the critics I respect most on Earth.

I would like to register some mild disappointment that Simon isn't into this stuff though.

Siah Alan, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 10:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

nice one Paul et al for the interview with Roska! im very very very excited to see what kind of stuff he is gonna be turning out next! vocal Roska tracks mmm

re the Simon Reynolds article, i have a lot of love for him and his writing (currently reading Bring the Noise, its so good), in his prime his work is probably the most exciting music journalism i've ever read, but that piece is so full of subjectivity and holes... it seems like quite a personal response really

Benjamin, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 11:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

He doesn't "believe in beats" anymore. Not even funky ones.

Jacobw, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 12:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

haaaaa after ribbing blueski upthread OF COURSE the thing i was going mad for should turn out to be an imperceptibly remixed 'samir's theme' on lacrate's label. context i am ur bitch 4ever.

though if footloose really wants to please me he'll have to chuck in like, sarai 'ladies' and 'take it 2 tha house' for the full 2003 flave.

r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 12:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

Listening now. Wau Geeneus "As I"! That endlessly rising hook! Fuzzy Logic does the same thing on "Polyfunk" but here it sounds positively Belgian.

Also the way "Take It Low" kicks off in sped-up mode lends a deeply satisfying air of frantic enthusiasm to proceedings.

Tim F, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 14:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

"Unknown – Samir’s Theme (Arms Remix)"

OMG. Actually apart from reminding me of soca as per, this kinda backs up the idea I had the other day that on an overall, from a distance perspective, funky house most resembles brazilian funk.

Tim F, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 14:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

some eloquent hopscotch this week. love the way footsie bookends his cheese with the supposedly experimental jobs in this passage:

Roska – Pyramids
Martin Solveig – Madan (Marco Del Horno Remix)
Daddy Funk ft Nicole Tyler – The Disco Killed My Brain
Jon Cutler – It’s Yours (David Penn Remix) (Defected)
Aphrodisiax – Keep It Moving

then twice alternating various dj spen and aphrodisiax tunes, and then 'kissing strangers' with fuzzy logik 'work the love' (which is fantastic, reminds me of manix a bit). you see his point.

r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 16:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

surprised he's never played crazy cousinz 'dont u like the way' (3rd track into the mac10 best of vocal funky mix) though - would go a treat with the mc lev and lonyo in particular.

tim otm re geeneus 'as i' - all his funky's been pure class. beggars belief that this is the same guy who made all that tedious grimeboy fodder.

r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 16:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

Delinquent ft Kcat – I Got You (Delio D’Cruz Mix)
Diamond ft Kele Le Roc – Nothing (Ragz2Riches)

are turning into real favourites too.

r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 16:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

"Delinquent ft Kcat – I Got You (Delio D’Cruz Mix) "

This in particular is dope.

Tim F, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 16:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I always thought Geeneus was overrated when he made grime - except for, like, co-producing "Know We" and... um... he did "Poppadoms" yeah?

Tim F, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 16:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah. 'poppadoms' also overrated in my book though.

on an overall, from a distance perspective, funky house most resembles brazilian funk.

-- Tim F, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 15:27 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

sort of feel you lose twice as much as you gain with this observation, just by virtue of sailing so close to playing into hater hands. it's probably true i suppose, overall, from a distance, but...

r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 16:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

I can't even remember the sound of "Poppadoms" now. Actually it was just "Wizzbit" redux wasn't it. "Wizzbit" was good. I'm loyal to pretty much any and every grime 8-bar used on that first Nasty Crew mix.

Yeah actually I refrained from making the brazilian funk comparison in my blog posts precisely for that reason (Simon R dislikes funk too if I recall, or is indifferent, or whatever). But I think it only plays into hater hands insofar as everyone already sells funk short, much for the same reasons as they would funky house (oh, it's just a familiar beat spiced up with extra percussion).

As far as I'm aware I'm the only person who heard a massive advance in the groove-science of funk in the More Favela Booty Beats comp from late 06/early 07 when compared to that first comp in that series (and those comps are almost the start and the end of my engagement with the genre). When I reviewed it I said I wouldn't be surprised if it set the agenda for interesting groove-based music to come, not expecting to this to happen of course. The idea being that a focus on (relatively) lo-fi bi-polar percussive clutter offered a way of avoiding the diminishing returns angle of intricate post-Timbaland percussion loops (which defined both 2-step and grime in different ways).

Tim F, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 16:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

its not that important but i don't agree about Geeneus' grime... Old Skool, Old Skool 2, Jam Hot, Jamnite, Shocka are all classics imo, aside from his PAUG productions. obviously at the darker techier end of things but i still love them. i agree though that it is bizarre to hear his transition into Funky, although Yellowtail has definitely got a techy underbelly i feel

Benjamin, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 16:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

i didnt just want to write "i hate baile funk therefore balls to this opinion", you see.

r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 17:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

does anyone know what that one with what sounds like a sample of a cd pullback pitched up and down? "weeeeee... we should be together for eternity" - that tune is deep... Marcus Nasty from June at about 11 mins

Benjamin, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 21:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

also anyone know the second tune in to Marcus Nasty from Deja April... "In the name of love". just discovered that i'd never clocked the 1st track of that set! pleasing, that set is a favourite

Benjamin, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 21:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm a bit baffled by all the talk about this stuff like it's some typically London thing - D'n'B, UK Garage, Grime, proper home-grown genres allright, but exactly this kind of syncopated soca-fied funky house has been played everywhere in France, Spain, Holland, Portugal, Brazil for years now. I mean, how different is Bongo Jam from something like Curtir? That UK producers are now importing this sound from their Mediterranean holidays probably was inevitable (the age-old route) and I'm not trying to sound all "respect the originators" but I'm genuinely interested if (and why) you guys think this is more noteworthy than all the non-UK funky house out there?

Siegbran, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 22:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

but as with UK garage, it is (the beginnings of) a homegrown sound which has its roots in one which was imported... if you check the likes of Marcus Nasty or Mak 10 you can hear the emergence of a very distinctively new flavour and approach. Crazi Couzins are a bad reference point to draw conclusions from i think, because they walk the line so finely between convention, pop appeal and the uk vibe... people like Roska, Producer Mario, General Malice, Little Silver, Hard House Banton etc are making music unlike anything i've heard previously. but its also exciting because at the moment you have these weird avant-garde pieces of house sitting at one end of a spectrum stretching to more conventional stuff, all of which is treated completely differently on radio / in clubs, with mcs toasting, pull-ups, aggressive mixing etc.

Benjamin, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 09:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

also, everyone knows that UK music is avant-garde nuum-pushing ish whereas that stuff is cheesy euro-crap. Duh. Anglophones FTW.

Jacobw, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 11:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

"does anyone know what that one with what sounds like a sample of a cd pullback pitched up and down? "weeeeee... we should be together for eternity" - that tune is deep... Marcus Nasty from June at about 11 mins"

This is "Speechless" by Mystery.

Yeah Siegbran I'd say it depends on the tracks - "UK funky house" stretches from conventional funky house through to stuff that really isn't house at all (e.g. Dub Boy's "Funky Underground" or Little Silver's "Seasons"). "Bongo Jam" is a bit like the single edit version of "Sweet Like Chocolate" in this regard - it's a (great) track where the specific sonic differences of the scene as a whole are not particularly noticeable. But at least 2-step had its beat as a central defining quality - with UK funky house there's no single strategy of deviation from house per se, but a variety of such strategies. It's really only by listening to, say, a whole Footloose set, that you get a sense of the overall scene aesthetic.

Tim F, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 23:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

where is footloose set

deej, Thursday, 7 August 2008 01:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

You can stream 'em on the 1xtra site. Don't know about a download though...

Jacobw, Thursday, 7 August 2008 02:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

Here's an RA stream link:

rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/1xtra/footloose.ra

Tim F, Thursday, 7 August 2008 03:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

for the past 3 weeks the archive audio for Footloose's 1XTRA shows hasn't been working for me: 'Audio stream is unavailable at this time' (same result from RA link above). other shows (e.g. Cameo) are working fine though. possibly a glitch with BBC's new iPlayer - on BBC's forums there's mention of possible problems for overseas listeners with some shows (why this one?!!!).

if not for r|t|c I wouldn't have been able to hear the shows (except live) - thanks! (new one please anyone?) also thanks Tim for bringing the vibe!

Paul, Thursday, 7 August 2008 04:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

This is "Speechless" by Mystery.

cheers Tim! any idea about the other one i mention? sounds more US maybe but still something about it says UK i feel

with UK funky house there's no single strategy of deviation from house per se, but a variety of such strategies.

yeh this is true. the coming years will be very interesting in this regard, to see which deviations become dominant. but it also reinforces how worthwhile it is to savour what is happening right now!

Benjamin, Thursday, 7 August 2008 09:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I don't know that one! It's quite broken beat-ish as well isn't it, the bit where it cuts to just the bass and syncopated beat is insane. That sounds very UK to me - perhaps sampling a US tune though.

Love Shantie's riffing on the title over the top. In my head I always remember him saying "We'll tell 'em that we did it in the name of love!" - like he, Marcus and Rankin' have been arrested for high treason or something. But whenever I listen to that set i realise that this is purely a figment of my imagination.

Of course my favourite Shantie bit on that set (for reasons that should be obvious) is when he's talking about how lucky you are to be hearing the set and that if you're taping it "Don't give it out!... In fact what am I talkin' about?? SEND IT TO AUSTRALIA!"

Tim F, Thursday, 7 August 2008 09:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I don't know that one! It's quite broken beat-ish as well isn't it, the bit where it cuts to just the bass and syncopated beat is insane. That sounds very UK to me - perhaps sampling a US tune though.

yeh thats what i figured, cos the vocal im pretty sure is from an older US track, i swear i remember it from some chicago deep house set or something, but the beats and general aesthetic imply new UK or a surprisingly coincidental likeness

Love Shantie's riffing on the title over the top. In my head I always remember him saying "We'll tell 'em that we did it in the name of love!" - like he, Marcus and Rankin' have been arrested for high treason or something. But whenever I listen to that set i realise that this is purely a figment of my imagination.

Of course my favourite Shantie bit on that set (for reasons that should be obvious) is when he's talking about how lucky you are to be hearing the set and that if you're taping it "Don't give it out!... In fact what am I talkin' about?? SEND IT TO AUSTRALIA!"

haha! he is a really good MC i think, really vibesy. downloaded a Mak 10 set recently and it was interesting to hear how much more aggressively the MC dominated proceedings. makes for a really good contrast though

Benjamin, Thursday, 7 August 2008 11:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

i just bought a Babyface Jay & Mystery 12 from 2002 from a bargain bin, quite interesting... one side quite rolling 'soca-beat' garage, a bit like an understated 'Decoy', which is quite decent, but the other is a really horrific moody breakbeaty thing! crazy

Benjamin, Thursday, 7 August 2008 22:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

hey deej i dont know if you saw but rtc had linked to some footloose shows just up there ^^^

t_g, Friday, 8 August 2008 14:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

deej, Saturday, 9 August 2008 08:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

deej, Saturday, 9 August 2008 08:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

UK funky house stretches from conventional funky house through to stuff that really isn't house at all

Of course, but that's true everywhere - all over the world funky house has become a mish-mash of reggaeton, salsa, soca, jamaican toasting, tribal, electrohouse, etc. And much as I like those 1extra radio shows, apart from the occasional bassline-tune and British-accented MCs I don't really hear much that's fundamentally different from what's happening elsewhere (yet). Local flavour yes, new paradigm no.

But I guess it's another one of those "you would have to be there to understand" scenes then.

Siegbran, Saturday, 9 August 2008 17:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

tim f isnt from 'there'

deej, Saturday, 9 August 2008 17:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

where are these other places where this stuff is coming together? id love to hear stuff outside london doing similar things, this is just the most accessible

deej, Saturday, 9 August 2008 17:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

crazy cousinz remix of 'july' is hot

deej, Saturday, 9 August 2008 19:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

Well you had the whole Africanism project a few years ago (mostly French) which added lots of african and carribean music to the mix, Dr. Kucho in Spain, local dudes from here like Olav Basoski, Billy The Klit, Chuckie, Afrojack, DJ Hardwell, Sidney Samson, Roog, Laidback Luke, Rishi Romero, Vato Gonzales (some mixtapes for download there).

Siegbran, Saturday, 9 August 2008 22:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

Siegbran I know Africanism stuff and if that's what you mean it sounds totally different! Not in a bad way, but it's not nearly as, um, wot do you call it... URBAN!?

I mean, I would argue that actual pop-minded Bob Sinclar is closer to UK funky house than the Africanism stuff is. And I have always been a relative defender of stuff like "Rock This Party".

But I will check out Vato Gonzales. Downloading his mixtape now.

I do think you're right that UK funky house is very much in the vein of other "melting pot" scenes (this is one of Reynolds' objections to it - adopting the argument that (to paraphrase) all the melting pot does is mix familiar flavours without creating or discovering a new flavour).

There is, as such, what i would call a plausible deniability to any claims to innovation - even where new things are being done, because they're achieved through convergences between the sonic tactics of multiple styles (rather than a linear process of intensification largely internal to the style - as you got in early-to-mid nineties jungle) you can always point to other convergences in other melting pot scenes that approximate a similar feeling.

A strict modernist take will thus find any such claims to innovations to be either false or potentially true but tenuous and partial only.

My very much post-UK Garage relationship to "funky house" is based on my conviction that the value of UK Garage was not solely its modernist qualities (beats you ain't never heard before) but its multivalency, the way in which different sonic and stylistic components entered into a really productive and largely non-heirarchical relationship with one another so as to become something more than and entirely different from the sum of their parts. The relationship between the sonic components, reference points and influences that made up UK Garage and the overall finished product is something akin to that between individual stars and the constellation that they form when taken together. The irreducibility of this constellation to the influence of any particular star can be seen in the fact that, when the music's moment past, it didn't just go down the sink quality-wise but actually disappeared to all intents and purposes (c.f. drum & bass) - only so long as these stars were articulated together was the music visible and viable - from 2002 onwards all those stars got drawn into different constellations.

I think that UK funky house shows increasing evidence of modernism if you know where to look, but this isn't the primary attraction for me: it's rather the way in which it echoes UK garage in its production of a constellation (albeit a different one) where the arrangement of the (familiar) individual components is what takes on supreme importance. The same components arranged differently would not produce the same result.

One key quality of this arrangement being an ever-so-slightly greater ambivalence to "house" as a constraining factor (though it's less ambivalent than many, say, dissensians might like it to be) - UK funky house cannot decide whether to articulate its components fully in terms of "house", whereas I think most other comparable "melting pot" house scenes have a much a heavier dose of house stock, which ties everything together into a vibe whose ultimate uniformity belies the diversity of the source material. (arguably this ambivalence is directly related to a flirting with the "urban" qualities are note above: it's the tug-of-war between these two qualities that really defines the sense of equipoise you get in this music).

Tim F, Sunday, 10 August 2008 02:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

it seems to me that 'funky house' is as much a style of djing as it is a style of production, to the degree that lots of these remixes are pretty simply rhythmic template changes that arent very substantive otherwise, at least in ways that would signify TOTALLY NEW GENRE - so just listening to 'track 2' on the on-site player @ vato's website it sounds like something that would easily be incorporated here

regardless, nothing like this gets any play in chicago ... i check a pretty wide variety of house music venues but this stuff is pretty nonexistent. Anything w/ a soca rhythm or whatever ... the only shit 'hipsters' are on is that annoying nurave/juke/crunk/bmore amalgamation, and otherwise its pretty much straight up HOUSE, nothing that sounds remotely like this w/ the diff rhythmic styles, soca/reggaeton rhythm

deej, Sunday, 10 August 2008 02:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

(i mean a pretty damn wide variety of house, it is chicago after all, but nothing w/ toasting or tropical syncopated non-house drums at all)

deej, Sunday, 10 August 2008 02:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

seani b 'lift me up', another vintage nasty crew style carnival tank

so hot btw

whenever dudes would say "carnival" about a grime song i think i almost always hated it but this has a lot more rhythmic grace than grime which i think is why im a lot more attracted to it on the whole

deej, Sunday, 10 August 2008 02:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ha ha on Blissblog SR complained that maybe for the first time the next Notting Hill Carnival will actually sound like a Rio Carnival - I had been thinking of the same possibility in my head only as a really positive thing!

Listening to that Vato mix now -sounds great! Okay Siegbran I can sort of see your point. Vahid has to hear this: it's like Jess & Crabbe come back to life!

The main point of difference I'd mention - apart from the use of MCs in UK funky house - is perhaps the 8-bar structure of a lot of the grimier tunes, which I think gives the music a more palsied stop-start quality, whereas this Vato mix for all its superficial similarities is pushing more of an endless beat or verse-chorus structure. Still, pretty amazing - thanks for the tip!

Tim F, Sunday, 10 August 2008 02:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

One thing I particularly like about that Vato mix is how it seems to liberate the potential I hear in Fedde De Grand's production style, that strong sense that it could get really ants-in-yr-pants compulsive if it dropped the repressive electro-house baggage (he actually manages this on his Ida Corr collab-o "Let Me Think About It", which could fit onto Vato's mix pretty easily).

Tim F, Sunday, 10 August 2008 02:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

um, major lol @ "vato gonzalez" being born Björn Franken

deej, Sunday, 10 August 2008 02:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

being bjorn

deej, Sunday, 10 August 2008 02:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm really enjoying his mix though! Ironically, though, not really in the same way that I enjoy UK funky - sorry siegbran (but thanks for the link).

It reminds me a lot of Moonbootica's DJ Sounds Good mix - eclectic, percussive electro-pop-house, only with Fedde's influence taking the place of, um, Ewan Pearson I guess was the reference point for Moonbootica at the time. Plus added latino-caribbean influences definitely. But the music is fun due to its reliable facility with a good riff and excellent layering and general post-boompty bounciness - the counter-rhythms really do feel like window-dressing surround the basic house thump, much in the way sceptics claim UK funky works. This is not a bad thing though - nothing wrong with a good house groove!

Tim F, Sunday, 10 August 2008 14:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

Correct, guys like Vato are coming from the electro house side but that's only one aspect of it, you also have DJs like Chuckie who come from the caribbean party scene - ten years ago that was all soca and hiphop with some UK garage imports thrown in, now those guys are also into electro house and baile funk and basline and everything else that works and those sets have much less of a 'house groove' vibe. Local Moroccan-born MCs and R&B singers here have also discovered that guesting on these 'dirty house' records is more lucrative than trying to sound like local clones of Jeezy and R Kelly, which is also an interesting development. Obviously every scene is different, the Spanish guys have more reggaeton and salsa, the French more african-sounding stuff (yes most of the Africanism project is dire tribal but there's some good stuff to) and, heh, tektonik, Italians seem to be into that Balkan beats thing. I don't claim to be a full expert on all this (I don't go clubbing as much as I used to) and I think the UK scene probably has more potential if only for its proven ability but I really see this more as one big pan-European movement - the reaction against the quite sonically uniform and segregated house, trance and techno scenes of the years before. A truly populist version of the whole Soulwax/Playgroup 'eclectic DJing' phenomenon too.

Siegbran, Sunday, 10 August 2008 22:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

Coming home to a new Footloose set is about the only thing making my current cold bearable.

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 06:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm in London really briefly for a business trip and want to go see some UK funky on friday - does anyone know a good source of info about what's on? Only thing I've spotted so far is something called "House Arrest" at club E3 with MA1, but I'm sure there must be more...

Jacobw, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 10:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

i am eagerly anticipating the explosion of this into the uk charts - and with it actual mp3s of tracks becoming available - when people get back from napa. i would also love to know how people find the time to listen to all these sets, but they are amazing, thanks for uploading them everyone who has. am intending to go to a funky rave soon, was going to go to one in dagenham at the weekend but a friend was putting on a rival night down the road from my flat

lex pretend, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 11:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

Was that the one on sat with Kyla and Crazi Cousinz? I wanted to go to that, but fly off too soon. Anyway I'm certain "do you mind" will crush the charts when it gets its release on Ministry this month...

Jacobw, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 21:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

very pleasing

Benjamin, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 16:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

Fantastic! That has to be one of my absolute favourites at the moment.

Ach!, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 21:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

very pleasing
indeed! i just wish uptown didn't have a near monopoly on this stuff. great shop but their overseas shipping is crazy expensive and rhythm division seems to have vanished from the web. promising signs from juno download - i hope roska's mp3/wav releases prove to be the tip of the iceberg on that front.

paul nomos, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 21:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

ah! 'unfinished business' has clicked with me now, belatedly. tim was right about it suffering in isolation (though the isolation was probably my own) - sitting down, merely a clammy tap-drip schematical echoplex; out & about, why it sucks in its cheeks and struts like the music in naomi campbell's head! autechre i never knew ye.

nonetheless it is still quite pleasing that their follow-up, or at least the one footloose chooses to play, is a super cheesy west ldn wine bar groover.

r|t|c, Thursday, 14 August 2008 12:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

also

mr mathz - 'preachers daughter'...!! the tune that has everything

r|t|c, Thursday, 14 August 2008 12:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah "Unfinished Business" is a very perspectival tune - yeah when I was listening to this set last I was thinking that the tune makes more sense as "funky" if you train yr ears to the strut of the kickdrums. rtc did you hear Aphrodisiax's "Keep It Moving", which Footloose has played in previous weeks? That's still a bit of a headfuck but subtler and sexier than "Unfinished Business".

"Preacher's Daughter" is great! Such a perverse progression: starts off kinda straightforward vocal house, then the counter-snare comes in, and then that insane "together... together..." breakdown section with the rhythmic explosions and rave riffs and big bassline. Such a WTF moment.

Tim F, Thursday, 14 August 2008 13:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

"Whatever The Weather" (the other Aphrodisiax track from this week) strikes me as a very typical Bugz in the Attic kinda affair, although even they might blanch at the organ solo! Which is I guess what you mean by "super cheesy west ldn wine bar groover". I'm not sure if I made it to a wine bar during my trips to London. I went to bars certainly, and one was in West London, but i don't know if it meets the definition of "wine bar" - if it's basically the bar and a corridor with stools and everyone jammed in tight drinking cocktails or shots, it's just a "bar", right?

Anyway Footloose for once goes for a non-perverse transition playing it right after two Bugz remixes.

"Every Step (Arms Remix)" I still love you.

My "Sometimes I Wake Up Early In The Morning To Play My Con-Con-Congo" Facebook Group still only has four members, all of them ILX users... :-( Where is the groundswell of support.

Tim F, Thursday, 14 August 2008 14:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

"Every Step (Arms Remix)" I still love you.

2nded! it also sent me back to tawiah's own ep, the way the arms remix frames her voice refracts very well on to her own sparser stuff.

i can never decide whether vocals would be the icing on top of 'unfinished business' and 'mr bean', or would be a bad idea.

lex pretend, Thursday, 14 August 2008 14:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

Hard to imagine a vocal managing to prettify "Mr Bean", although i guess Lorraine Cato managed a similar feat on my beloved "Pulse X (Vocal Mix)". "Unfinished Business" would probably work with some kinda minimal dancehall-ish vocal. House diva possibly a bad idea.

Tim F, Thursday, 14 August 2008 14:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

i think both might work with someone like ny, who wouldn't prettify it so much as, um, icify it? talking of ny i really cannot get enough of her vocal on 'fallin' again' - when she starts riffing on "free" at the end is just, you know, tears unfrosting eyes

lex pretend, Thursday, 14 August 2008 14:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

that seany b 'lift me up' track needs to appear on the internet/seany b's myspace/anywhere else

deej, Thursday, 14 August 2008 15:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

words of truth

Tim F, Thursday, 14 August 2008 15:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

to paraphrase the bulk of this thread, wine bar is a feeling.

(i did have the exact same reservations as you about using it, actually, but i dont think modernity has furnished us with an equivalent term for the 'whatever the weather' type places, usually populated by funky-minded down-to-earth spanish and indeed, australian type folk. and lots of english too, tbf. but never russian. does anyone know what i'm on about.)

not so big on 'every step'. to me it has a sort of rng pointlessness that only melts away when the breakdown comes and the lady's accent goes overly british (you mooo me, my eyes if they shuh, woaaan stop ur touch etc), whereupon it then just becomes broken beat. which is more palatable for some reason. maybe i just find the sample wearying.

regarding 'unfinished business', i'm sure warrior queen has an opening in her schedge - here's hopin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

r|t|c, Thursday, 14 August 2008 16:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

like, the notting hill arts club is not a wine bar. you know exactly what it is though. what is it?

r|t|c, Thursday, 14 August 2008 16:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

mr mathz' other tune is more classicist and is also extremely good. bit like the 'leader/what goes around' balance - would it be fair to say him and fuzzy logik are the the few who are internalizing funky's divergences rather than just doing their own thing? on a track to track basis, at least.

r|t|c, Thursday, 14 August 2008 16:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

Has anyone been recording the last couple weeks?

I've yet to get the 1xtra player to work for me, reading these tracklists and not being able to listen in is getting frustrating.

Siah Alan, Thursday, 14 August 2008 19:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

i would love some kind of vocal element on 'Mr Bean' - doesn't have to be much

blueski, Thursday, 14 August 2008 19:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

what about the 'oh na na na' vocal version by orthodox on the b-side of the mr bean 12"? i don't think i've seen anyone mention it. i like it, but i don't know much about recent dancehall so my standards could be low.

paul nomos, Thursday, 14 August 2008 19:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

"mr mathz' other tune is more classicist and is also extremely good. bit like the 'leader/what goes around' balance - would it be fair to say him and fuzzy logik are the the few who are internalizing funky's divergences rather than just doing their own thing? on a track to track basis, at least."

Yeah I think this is right - probably Malice too.

I don't exactly have reservations about "wine bar" as a descriptor - although I've primarily seen it used on dissensus so I always initially hear it with an implied dissensian sneer. I'm just trying to visualise precisely what it refers to in my head. I don't think it works this way in Australia really - a "wine bar" here would more likely play something with a stronger veneer of respectability than "funky house" (in the conventional sense of the term) - perhaps Buddha Bar, or if they were going more uptempo they might plump for breakbeat. If I wanted funky house i'd go to either a big commercial club (like the ones in our city's casino complex) or to a hairdressing salon. In fact "hairdresser house" (as opposed to "haircut house") is a term I've used before to describe that kind of sound.

Tim F, Thursday, 14 August 2008 23:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

Notting Hill Arts Club isn't "Wine Bar" it's "organic shoes".

Jacobw, Friday, 15 August 2008 10:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

posh organic shoes and overly sweet cocktails

lex pretend, Friday, 15 August 2008 10:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

wine bar makes me think more of sosho

lex pretend, Friday, 15 August 2008 10:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

dunno if people have seen but on his myspace Producer Mario has put up four of his best tracks for free d/l :)

Benjamin, Friday, 15 August 2008 10:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

"i can never decide whether vocals would be the icing on top of 'unfinished business' and 'mr bean', or would be a bad idea."

There is a vocal... Apple - Da Real Dutty Dance

faze01, Saturday, 16 August 2008 18:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

The Guardian talks about you lot/funky house:

"Keen readers of music blogs and message boards that discuss the "hardcore continuum" in-depth and reference Foucault when talking about the latest song by Tempa T or some other incidental grime MC will know all about the "funky" scene currently engulfing the underground clubs and pirate radio stations of London. Those of you who have got real life friends and a social life probably won't."

Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 10:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

Is the "Apple = Jon E Cash making house" argument run in this article and on Blissblog (presumably the former ripped it from the latter) on point? It doesn't seem quite right to me, but I can't put my finger on why.

Mind you Simon R extended it to Roska which just seems obviously wrong.

Tim F, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 10:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

The guy that wrote that Guardian piece is also Prancehall btw.

Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 11:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

i think Jon E Cash's name is just being used as shorthand for 8-bar. the main points of comparison i think are the abstract use of texture, heavy bass and blocky approach to rhythm / tracks, but these are hardly rare tendencies in grime!

my issue is that this kind of analysis (x is like y times z / x is like y if it tried to be z) is a ridiculously simplistic way of communicating what makes music feel a certain way, its an issue i often have with music writing... too often reductive posing as complete analysis (with value judgement attached), it cannot do justice to emotional or visceral response. its escape from this tendency is one of the reasons i love a lot of Simon Reynolds old writing so much!

Benjamin, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 12:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

to clarify, thats not an argument against writing about music, by any means, just against a very specific but prevalent tendency within it

Benjamin, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 12:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

on reflection over lunch the sentence about doing justice to emotional or visceral response doesn't really have a place there...

Benjamin, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 12:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

r|t|c, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 13:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

diseensus poster posts link to 4yr old diseensiest ilx thread ever feat. disssensus mainstays. it's a par.

r|t|c, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 13:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

^ dyslexus.

any new sets about that arent footloose/rinse fm crew btw?

r|t|c, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 13:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

i think i missed something...

Benjamin, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 13:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

lol, I never clicked the link in the Guardian article. I thought it was this thread being linked!

Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 13:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

not sure i've been to sosho - pics look comparable to the upstairs bit of east village i guess? perhaps i meant those kinds of places too.

r|t|c, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 13:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ha ha some inadvertent astrology in that thread though. From yours truly:

Alternative: an R&B/garage/broken beat/house fusion a la Mis-Teeq's "Eye Candy" (the actual track) which strikes me as being simultaneously one of the most brazenly physical, most feminine, and most startlingly new-sounding things I heard of in '02. Although I never *did* find out who produced it (it was bizarrely and shamefully left off the Oz version of the album).

-- Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, January 24, 2004 7:37 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Link

Tim F, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 13:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

dyslexus nexus

deej, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 13:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

for yr reference:

Mis-Teeq - Eye Candy.mp3

Tim F, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 14:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

This has been my entry point, and now I'm a little obsessed:

http://djcable.blogspot.com/2008/08/dj-cables-weekly-mix-30.html

Have tried some of the Marcus Nasty mixes (at least when Sendspace co-operates) but can't cope with his MC - is he on all of them?

mike t-diva, Thursday, 28 August 2008 09:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

He cycles through different MCs Mike - Rankin', Shantie, Quincy etc. - but uses an MC on all of them except (if I recall) the 1xtra mix, which may still be available for download upthread.

Tim F, Thursday, 28 August 2008 22:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yay, still available; I Googled 1xtra marcus nasty and was rewarded with a Megaupload.

mike t-diva, Thursday, 28 August 2008 22:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

Shantie is the most um interventionist of the MCs Marcus uses. Rankin and Quincy limit themselves to commentary and the occasional short chant.

Tim F, Thursday, 28 August 2008 23:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

so the ukfunky.com mp3 shop is in full swing now, including 320 kbps versions of malice's 'gabryelle' refix and 'speechless' by dj mystery. i tried my luck last night and the transaction was smooth. hope they keep building up the catalogue and getting more labels on board.

http://ukfunky.com/ukfunkydotcom_004.htm

paul nomos, Wednesday, 10 September 2008 21:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

oh and, from the marcus nasty v mac10 set on rinse the other night...

why don't you take your broom, and sweep my yard, you better brush it good......

oh. my. days!! such a tune. no idea who it is. and mac10 says "this one's one away... you won't get this like this!"

such a monster set.

paul nomos, Wednesday, 10 September 2008 21:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

Paul that's probably "Work!" by Masters At Work, from 2002 I think. It's very much UK funky avant le lettre, and gets a lot of caning by funky DJs. Massive tune.

Tim F, Thursday, 11 September 2008 04:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

thanks tim. there's my lack of house pedigree showing.

here's the marcus/mac10 for anyone who can't get it from the rinse site: http://www.divshare.com/download/5327266-32a

paul nomos, Thursday, 11 September 2008 13:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

so the ukfunky.com mp3 shop is in full swing now

:D

lex pretend, Thursday, 11 September 2008 14:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

i went to my first funky rave at the weekend btw. it was really super-awesome. everyone totally glammed up and really good vibes. bit school disco-ey at the start, everyone sort of...camped out around the edges of the dancefloor warily eyeing each other up, but it soon got packed. everyone went nuts for 'who's afraid of detroit' and 'my joy' but the moment when the dj dropped 'in the air' was OMG.

lex pretend, Thursday, 11 September 2008 14:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

where did you go lex?

Benjamin, Thursday, 11 September 2008 15:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

the circle events one at purple e3...

lex pretend, Thursday, 11 September 2008 15:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

cool, thanks, i keep meaning to get to one so im keen for recommendations. what is the club itself like? sorry for all the boring questions!

Benjamin, Thursday, 11 September 2008 18:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

remember those purple e3 ads on rinse where mc supplier would shout for about 5 minutes straight?

"DRESS CODE IS SMART AND SEXYYY! NO RIPPED JEANS OR SPORTS WEAR! SMART TRAINERS ARE OHH-KAAY!

actually i'm curious about purple too since i might be over there in a few months.

paul nomos, Thursday, 11 September 2008 18:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

haha yeah the dress code in the email i got went on for a paragraph. no timberlands! no bapes! &c. club was nice, classy and glam (and clean! nice leather sofas to sit on) but not really flashy. everyone seemed to be drinking champagne. it's a monthly night i think, definitely recommend it. u need id though!

these are the dudes who put the night on, from what i gather they've been putting on house nights for years.

lex pretend, Thursday, 11 September 2008 22:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

ok cool, thanks! i have thus far been quite averse to the Circle cos of their overt conservatism regarding the newer styles and producers, but it'd probably be a great night out anyway :)

"SMART TRAINERS ARE OHH-KAAY!"

lol

Benjamin, Friday, 12 September 2008 12:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

Siegbran's post on here is just flat-out classic insular bubble-bursting

fandango, Friday, 12 September 2008 19:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

i wish this stuff wasnt so pricey on 12".

titchyschneiderMk2, Sunday, 21 September 2008 12:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

anyone keeping up with funky? should be moving into peak season for great UKG releases or more likely advance radioplay, but there's still a problem with Footloose archives, affecting (select?) overseas listeners only? - I re-test it weekly (RA link doesn't work either). Tim, is the Footloose archive working for you? if so, may be a U.S.-only thing... (yet Cameo archive works fine)

themco to the rescue? any new sets from Aug onwards?

Paul, Friday, 26 September 2008 00:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

There's at least one new 2-hour Crazy Cousinz Rinse FM show, which they've put on Sendspace and linked from their MySpace blog. (I'd link directly, but MySpace is blocked from here.) It's good, as long as you can cope with the DJ chatter - which mainly consists of saying "Crazy Cousinz" a dozen times a minute for two hours....

mike t-diva, Friday, 26 September 2008 11:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

yah i think the footloose archives might not be working cuz yr overseas, i'm in london and can access them.

t_g, Friday, 26 September 2008 12:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

u know what sounds totally funky house-y is 'get down get horny'
grrrr8 song btw

deej, Friday, 26 September 2008 16:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

Love the Marcus Nasty/Mac 10 mix on Rinse FM from a few weeks ago, though I wish the sound quality on the Rinse FM podcasts was better.

Esp. love the grimy section after the remix of "Work", esp. that mash of ravey/insane tracks around the thirty minute mark. Totally WTF material. I think they're Little Silver and Malice tunes mostly, based on the shout-outs.

Also that new Donaeo track at the 70 minute mark, he really is becoming the Lenky of funky. And how about that bizarre one at 85 with the technoid synth riffs, I'm not even sure how I'd describe it .

Tim F, Sunday, 28 September 2008 13:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeh i finally got the chance to hear the Marcus Nasty b2b Mak10 set in full, some of it is so next level. but maybe even more importantly for me the whole thing is balanced so well, really finely between the madness and rawness of grime invading and the sensuality of house. they even dropped Aaron Carl! at about +8! was feeling that

there is this point where (i think) Mak 10 drops a DOK tune into the mix with a vocal house bit, chopping it up, twisting the eqs and filters all over, it is just completely ridiculous

Benjamin, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 10:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

rinse fm have started a new regular (monthly?) funky night called beyond - went to the first last week, it was ok! great in places but not as glam or fun as the circle one, a bit too boys-standing-round-in-hoodies at the start, and 'in the air' was dropped like 3 times in an hour, but it got going pretty well and there's lots of potential there.

i tried to listen to the marcus nasty podcast but the bitrate is just too horrible. wtf is the point w/out bass.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 10:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

That DOK tune is DOK doing funky house though innit - still great! Grime producers unabashedly jumping on the funky house "gravy" train is totally a-okay by me. Dubstep producers, not so much.

Tim F, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 10:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeh the DOK tune is crazy. he is a shockingly good producer imo, i am keen to hear him jump on anything at all really!

i don't see a problem with dubstep producers jumping on it, so long as its not the ones who jumped on dubstep in 2007! but i can't see the funky scene being subordinated to dubstep no matter what, so i am more of a live and let live perspective on that one. that track at 1hr18 on the Rinse podcast to me is dubstep-influenced, and im feeling that as an outer-reach of the sound.

but also i don't think its a huge worry cos dubstep already kind of has its own funky, house is really very integrated into it in parts, its just different strains and feelings of house i think, more deep, more detroit. people like Mala have been making crazy, percussion-led, bass heavy, deep house-influenced music for ages, and Anti-Social, Ramadanman, LD etc are all continuing to do so

also, bit of a tangent but hopefully no-one will object, some of the mad ravey stuff in dubstep i almost see as direct descendents of/torch-bearers for people like Adonis and Trax

Benjamin, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 11:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

I got a feature on Funky going up on RA some point soon... Hard to do it justice but hopefully I captured the main stuff.

Also: Marcus got a regular spot on Rinse now, wednesdays 7-9pm.

Jacobw, Thursday, 2 October 2008 02:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

the Queen of Sheba (!) was kind enough to re-upload this unbelievable Mak 10 set off Rinse from 9 September

thought some people here would feel it if they missed it, its a very very very big show. tunes and mixing are off the scale

Benjamin, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 00:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

Love the Marcus Nasty/Mac 10 mix on Rinse FM from a few weeks ago, though I wish the sound quality on the Rinse FM podcasts was better.

― Tim F

completely agree with this. 64kbps is almost unlistenable.

sam500, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 00:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

marcus nasty's show this week had so much good stuff.

i have too many of these shows to listen to now though.

titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 10 October 2008 19:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

OK! Hold up everyone thats been plugin me in this forum! Maximum boost for the support! If anyone has any questions regardin the funky movement.. let me knoo (includes trak names etc..)
Anyways.. jus wanted to give u an update on the scene which has happend for a while bak naw but jus incase u didnt knoo.. i am naw a part ov a 2 man crew called FUNK FACTORY wid maself DJ Smoovie T wid DJ/Producer Scotty D!
Scotty D pwas the one who produced the track "Liberty"
And were both on Touch FM every sunday night 10-12am were u can catch us on www.touchfm.com
Like i sed! Any info or anyfin jus holla..
P.S
I rememba somebody talking about that I Feel Remix by footloose! Its currently out on 12" So cop that naww!!!

Smoovie_T, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 15:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

so bongo jam was out on mp3 yesterday according to about a hundred myspaces. problem is, none of them said where to get it!

paul nomos, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

that looks like it's part of a mixed album rather than a standalone unmixed single though...otherwise surely it'd be on 7digital and itunes. odd, but the proper release is definitely coming (and 'do you mind' will follow in jan)

lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah it's the whole single I'm after, with the Naughty remix. Probably just get the vinyl I guess but after all the hype I'm wondering where the digital is.

paul nomos, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

the official release date is 13 nov i think - i assume a digital release will accompany it at some point

lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

didnt it say on their myspace that it was comign out 20th Oct? do you they have it on ukfunky.com?

t_g, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

It did (does?) say that on their MySpace, yes. But iTunes returns the same as play.com: they just have that mixed MoS comp track, which has been available for a few months now.

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

(In which case, thank goodness for file2hd.com. I'd be sunk without it, frankly.)

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

alright, there we go. just listening to the crazy cousinz show and it's supposed to be at itunes. must be uk only though because i don't see it.

paul nomos, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 16:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

i heard an LD remix of do you mind that was lovely.

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 17:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

oh ok yeah i can see it on itunes

t_g, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 17:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

that LD remix is amazing

Benjamin, Friday, 24 October 2008 22:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

Mak 10 on Pyro Radio 17.10.08

sounds like a less grimey vibe than his rinse sets, also will be of some relief for those who take issue with the Rinse bitrates! i actually think the whole vibe benefits from that compression and poor quality, but either way this one is much crisper

Benjamin, Sunday, 26 October 2008 17:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

that ld remix needs to be available to buy.

cant get that mac 10 show to DL for some reason.

titchyschneiderMk2, Sunday, 26 October 2008 19:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

hmm does it not work just as a right click save as affair?

yeh much as i'd love it to be otherwise i don't have any big hopes for seeing that LD mix anytime soon! dubplate scene and all that. its interesting hearing his take on the vocal. think it illustrates quite well what i was talking about upthread about the different takes on house in dubstep as against funky

Benjamin, Sunday, 26 October 2008 19:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

there is a very housey kode9 and ld collab 'bad' coming on hyperdub next month. one track sounds 'dubstep' housey and the other 'funky' housey

you can hear them on the player here
http://www.myspace.com/hyperdub

bass, Sunday, 26 October 2008 20:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

hyperdub seems to have some amazing stuff coming out.

titchyschneiderMk2, Sunday, 26 October 2008 22:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

As a Fuzzy Logik fan, i found this a good read

http://queenofsheba84.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/fuzzylogik/

Mako, Sunday, 9 November 2008 01:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

im not a fan of everything kode 9 does but this is so amazing.

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 22:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

Anyone notice the Fuzzy Logick-ish funky house remix of New Horizons' 'Find The Path' on the October Marcus Nasty Rinse FM set?

Tim F, Monday, 17 November 2008 12:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

nah i haven't heard that set yet but that tune sounds awesome!

this thread has died a sad death of late :/ hope it wasn't me rabbitting on about (hushed tones) dubstep too much!

what have ppl been feeling of late? doom put me onto a sick new producer, cooly g... http://www.myspace.com/coolyg i cannot wait for that EP, Dis Boy is shockingly deep. Weak is amazing too, properly disorientated

i have also been enjoying the discovery of my joy on the b side of the malice ep a very great deal!

anyone got any big new sets worth sharing? courtesy of David M... Hard House Banton b2b Dubplate Wonder on Deja Vu 4 Nov 08 - http://www.sendspace.com/file/xs5ux3

Benjamin, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 21:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

I haven't been keeping up as much in the last few months, less because I've lost interest than because I'm still constantly replaying the stuff I have from earlier in the year and have yet to get bored of it.

I'm gonna try to catch-up over the next month so that I can do a year-end wrap up.

The "My Joy" refix is amazing, yeah.

Tim F, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 23:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ben, did you notice this...
http://www.bm-soho.com/store/AutoKey/101156/cooly/gdub/ornagizer/vol/1/(Cd)

"I'm gonna try to catch-up over the next month so that I can do a year-end wrap up."

Looking forward to that, Tim. I'd been wondering where you were.

paul nomos, Saturday, 22 November 2008 23:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

so the forthcoming geeneus album (!), volumes 1, really hits the spot - i wasn't especially looking for a funky artist album but this is a good mix of anthems ('yellowtail', 'emotions' and the 'night' rmx are all here), anthems-to-be ('saturday', also w/katy b) and deeper (!), housier cuts ('out of the future' is immense).

'bongo jam' did bugger all chartwise :(

lex pretend, Monday, 24 November 2008 12:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

I never saw it in the shops! Was it licensed to anyone big?

Enrique (Raw Patrick), Monday, 24 November 2008 13:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

"Ben, did you notice this...
http://www.bm-soho.com/store/AutoKey/101156/cooly/gdub/ornagizer/vol/1/(Cd)
"

yeh i saw that thanks, it sounds sick! definitely looking to cop. although i was hoping for vinyl...

looking forward to Geeneus' thing also, liking the sound of what i've heard a lot

Benjamin, Monday, 24 November 2008 14:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

'bongo jam' did bugger all chartwise :(

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Screw them for keeping on adding more and more extraneous vocals it didn't need. I still bump the first version.

Mikaael Jackson (The Reverend), Monday, 24 November 2008 22:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

it didnt do anything chart wise cos its fucking shit. like that other 'funky anthem' song which is just the d malice gabrielle refix looped up and shouted over by some idiot.

the real funky dissapointments of 2008 are that neither do you mind or tell me charted. shameful.

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 19:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

hope no-one minds the promo, but if anyone is in Bristol on Saturday please consider getting down to Take Five Cafe on Cheltenham Rd, got Mak 10 down there, £3 entry, big sound in a tiny basement, it'll be sick...

Bruk

also house, garage, soca, dancehall, all sorts besides

Benjamin, Thursday, 27 November 2008 16:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

Marcus's most recent show (available in fairly decent quality here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/kqmjna) is INSANE - probably the most sustained attempt to make the funky = nu-grime equation. There are no vocal tracks, it's all hard as fuck quasi-dancehall/quasi-grime bangers, lots of MCs doing their business. Not my favourite Marcus funky house set ever (i'm sentimentally attached to all the old ones with Shantie on them) but this is essential for anyone curious about where this music is going. It's got that weird minimal-ish track we were talking about way upthread (it's the third track in the set) and it makes perfect sense here. There seems to be several distinct sub-trends emerging within the hard end of the scene, including:

1) weird minimal tracks a la the one I mention above
2) Little Silver style grime bangers
3) "Rising Sun" style dancehall-ish tracks
4) cavernous tracks played on what sound like monster drum kits which in my head I'm dubbing "hard tribal" (see the track at 1 hour 17 minutes). These make me think of the scary end of pre-techstep jungle, stuff like the the Trace Remix of Babylon's "Splash".

That last strand is given a lot of airtime on the 1 October Rinse set, which resultingly doesn't sound terribly "grime" at all, although still hard as fucking nails for the most part.

Tim F, Monday, 1 December 2008 07:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm sort of relieved Bongo Jam didn't chart in the end, it would doubtless have been written off as an embarrassing novelty record otherwise.

Matt DC, Monday, 1 December 2008 12:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

Kode9 played a hyper intense hour of funky at FWD>> last night, large parts of it sounding like it was his own productions. dark, broken, clipped, percussive, edgy, analogue, housey beats. crazy stuff...

Martinclark, Monday, 1 December 2008 13:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

i was gonna go to that!! fucking deadlines.

lex pretend, Monday, 1 December 2008 13:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

Don't ever recall seeing "Bongo Jam" on physical release in any shop apart from 12" white label so no wonder it didn't chart.

Geeneus album due out next week though so I'll probably pick that up.

Brother Belcher (Marcello Carlin), Monday, 1 December 2008 13:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

i did think there was gonna be a physical release but i haven't been in any record shops recently so who knows...there's definitely a digital one. R1 didn't playlist it though (unlike 'heartbroken' last yr)...maybe 'do you mind' will fare better in jan. so far the funky scene has been really astoundingly terrible at making tracks available.

lex pretend, Monday, 1 December 2008 13:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

oh, it transpires that dj ng's 'tell me' is on itunes/7digital (as is the crazy cousinz remix of the alesha dixon single), and perempay & dee's awesome 'time to let go' is on traxsource.com (but not 'in the air'?? no one i know has a full-length quality mp3 of 'in the air' yet)

lex pretend, Monday, 1 December 2008 14:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I was looking for "In The Air" (awesome track!) over the weekend to no avail. Get a bloody move on!

Brother Belcher (Marcello Carlin), Monday, 1 December 2008 14:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

the best i have is either http://www.sendspace.com/file/xtx0yu (320kbps but from a mix cd) or http://rapidshare.com/files/136970703/DJ_Perempay_-_In_the_Air.mp3 (full version but sounds like a shitty myspazz rip)

lex pretend, Monday, 1 December 2008 14:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

Cheers Lex - most of what I found seemed to have been burned straight off 1Xtra with lots of banal DJ banter and jingles obscuring the actual track.

Brother Belcher (Marcello Carlin), Monday, 1 December 2008 14:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

that LD remix of do you mind is coming out next year after all.

not sure about that MC set with marcus nasty - some of the emceeing on there wasnt as good as i had hoped. jme sounded great but some of sharky majors emceeing was like he had been listening to nothing but 'i see girls' since hes been out of the scene.

wish kode 9 had a radio show.

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 1 December 2008 17:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

That new marcus nasty set is insane! Kode 9 last night at plastic people was brilliant...love that club so much. I wish I remember a bit more though :/

I bought 'bongo jam' on emusic BTW

lobsters on the pier (tpp), Monday, 1 December 2008 17:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

some mp3s which might be of interest!

perempay & dee ft. cleo sol - time to let go http://www.sendspace.com/file/v8mm8q
kcat - get off the wall (delio d'cruz rmx) http://www.sendspace.com/file/g6psob
ma1 ft. sophia - i'm right here (perempay & dee rmx) http://www.sendspace.com/file/0dq0ro

lex pretend, Monday, 1 December 2008 18:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

that cooly g ep is good - shame its only on cd though.

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 1 December 2008 18:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

not sure about that MC set with marcus nasty - some of the emceeing on there wasnt as good as i had hoped. jme sounded great but some of sharky majors emceeing was like he had been listening to nothing but 'i see girls' since hes been out of the scene.

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it's sharky EEEEYEAH p of 'do you really like it' fame you pillock.

i was about to say that shark major reading out a funky poem would be excellent lolz, but now i reflect pon it further he could do a nice line in that kinda quasi-mystical spoken word pulpit house one often comes across. (how good was the marcus bit in that set when he goes "yes, just give yourself to us, thats all we want. is you, for the night. your ears your mind. your body, your soul." btw <3<3<3)

r|t|c, Monday, 1 December 2008 18:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

whose are the "drink so much brandy I might dance with you mum?" bars? that made me lol

lobsters on the pier (tpp), Monday, 1 December 2008 18:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

cooly g 2nded! only heard what's on her myspazz though.

lex pretend, Monday, 1 December 2008 18:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

that makes sense, cos i was thinking 'fuck! sharky major was really fallen off'. the cooly g ep snippets at blackmarket have one track that marcus has been playing a lot.

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 1 December 2008 19:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

*has

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 1 December 2008 19:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

really i couldn't disagree more about the mcing on that set - was loving it until jme & frisco came and buggered it up with their cluttery sodding "bars".

in general my current enthusiasm towards marcus' supposed nu-grime sets is somewhat parlous to say the least; the early november one without much mcing was tediously monochrome ("and this one's called... 'tribal congo'" YEAH NO REALLY IS IT??), but with the old garage guys on board this week, so so good all of a sudden. that bit at 75 mins where an okay hardhouse banton spodder comes on and one of them goes "THIS ONE'S SEXY!!" like, omg ur right why didn't you tell me that earlier! god i could barely hear it above the wonderful sound of some canadian junglist wanker's twatois flashcards flying out his hands halfway across the world.

quite funny also that even when the oldsters did get vaguely grimey as it were, riskgo's "ur the dolphin / i'm the shark / lost in the sea /sharks don't bark / ain't gotta ??? for no cutty sark /ur gonna die in the dark, die in the dark"
in partic, it's a- still real silly, and b- "dying in the dark" almost somehow still feels like part of the housey vernacular, like sacrificing yourself on the sweaty altar of warehouse untz untz and whatnot rather than staying at home and raising a ribena to jme's pointless "buss your head at pro evo" lines. i take back everything i said about versatile and 'funky anthem' upthread; the alternative is too dull to bear.

r|t|c, Monday, 1 December 2008 19:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

Rtc what you on, Hard House Banton's "Reign" is massive! It reminds me of that old Sean Paul track from 2004, "Life's Not A Test" or whatever it was.

I agree. I don't want the MCing to become more like grime, I want it to maintain that slightly amateurish freshness. I like that Rankin' only has two raps (the one about the lady oozing sex appeal and the "there's no question of a doubt..." one, the latter of which he's been doing for at least 8 years!).

to some extent as much as I really like this set it also makes me nervous: it's the first time that the possibility of "funky house" losing the house and just becoming 2002-era proto-grime has seemed more than fanciful.

See also Spyro's "Woe", a decent track but just a bit too dry and desiccated, it's like it's come back in time from a future world where all the dubstep producers invaded funky and threw away the fun.

Still!

I think it's time to do some track IDs. Some of these have been popping up for ages:

- That bass monster with the sample that goes "Ah! Gotta reload!"
- what's the name of that awesome D-Malice piano stomper (like a beefed up "Visions") with the horns and the ridiculous syncopated climax?
- the actually funky bass riffin' one at about 34 min into this set with the ostentatious bongo percussion on top
- that totally insane syncopated one at 40 minutes with the Low Deep strings
- the eerie, slightly evil one at 46 min that's been around forever.
- the Cadenza+Bounty Killa one that comes on immediately afterwords
- the massive string slammer at 50 min (this part of the set is basically fabulous. "I wanna see you go down low! I wanna see you go down low! I wanna see you go down low! Low low low low low!")
- the anthem at the one hour mark that's been around for ever with the lovely horns and the big bass explosions
- the one chord house anthem immediately afterwards, a bit Fuzzy Logickish, surely this is the peak of the set??? They big up Spyro while it's playing but I'm doubtful that it's him.

Tim F, Monday, 1 December 2008 20:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

xp gah fux sake finney i was in the middle of writing this!

couple more things listening again -

@ 14, 22 & (the doneao at) 33 mins; you might as well give me track id's for these since we're all here.

@ 48 mins, can't quite decide if it's a rapid or an air france riddim but the bounty killer sample one kills it just like how 'twiss' did and people should totally make more n more n more of them, however weak the gesture is really and truly. i dimly recall an elephant man one once as well, where/what was that?

@ 83 mins, plz oh plz can they release 'sirenz' vocalled just as it is there with the "r u ready 4 the sirenz, sirenz" and the joe le taxi singsong, that would be amazing ta very much.

@ 84 that cooly g abstract wobbler coming in briefly, yeah i like it too; 'dis gyal' sounded great on footloose this week as well. as with the roska refix though, i phear the spectre of overmuch bleep n bass. (roska's 'bounce', also on that footloose show, is different gravy and redeems everything though.)

r|t|c, Monday, 1 December 2008 21:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yes the Joe Le Taxi rip is inspired.

Likewise that Cooly G track is great only if everyone spends their time acting as mediums for the Pied Piper and the Masters of Ceremony.

Oh yeah that 33/34 min one is by Donaeo isn't it. Even if they didn't big him up the percussion at the very beginning gives it away.

I can't remember if we ID'd the 14 min one upthread, it's the "minimal" track I'm talking about. On it's own I'd be worried but it sounds awesome with MCs.

Tim F, Monday, 1 December 2008 21:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

'reign' is as victim to context as much as any of these tracks though really. fair play to you if you reckon you could pluck it out with adoration intact from, ooh i dunno, let's say a dark, broken, clipped, percussive, edgy, analogue kode 9 set cos i sure couldn't.

hey btw what's that unarguably sexy massiveattackey banton tune with the wispy ladymurk vox going "insane i know... could not be true... he la ta, la ta he le ta, le ta"? (it's somewhere on clip 1 on his myspace.) for, like, it as if her love is a handful of ballbearings she's let fall onto the floor, and trail away innit.

r|t|c, Monday, 1 December 2008 21:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ha I almost posted before, "I have no desire to listen to another Kode9 'funky' set." I will always check for dude for his "21st Century Skank" mix way back when but at this point it's like DJ/Rupture playing grime. of course the previous kode 9 funky set was on rupture's show...

Anyway fair point re "Reign" but I think a good half of non-vocal funky falls into this category. Also (sshh) I do like some dubstep and "Reign" would be the kind of dubstep I would like if it was a dubstep tune. It kinda sounds like Mala.

I think that Hard House Banton tune you mention is "Turn It Around" - does it go something like "may I believe you / what you're saying is true / getting insane i know / turn it around-round-round-round-round. And then the "he la ta" bit you mention is them cutting up her previous vocal I think. I love that tune! Bass is murderous but still so sexy.

Tim F, Monday, 1 December 2008 22:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

Back in July or so Marcus mixed it into the track I describe above as "the eerie, slightly evil one at 46 min that's been around forever", for maximum champagne down your back cold chills.

Tim F, Monday, 1 December 2008 22:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

Tim. Why is kode9 playin 'funky' like rupture playing grime?

jon b (bass), Monday, 1 December 2008 22:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

Just the whole "dilettante of raw vital street music from around the world recontextualises genre as the momentary current incarnation of the angry spirit of cross-cultural street-level insurgency" vibe. From the get-go the music is being positioned as being a nice fresh alternative to dubstep, which is fine except that once you start seeing this music in dubstep terms the silly/cheesy/pop/fun factor quickly gets sucked out. When he was on rupture's show (and there's a reason that it was him rather than say footloose or even marcus) he was very quick to claim that this "wasn't house music", "more like soca meets grime." Hence tunes like Spyro's "Woe" which I bet Kode9 loves. His own "funky" tune was even pastier. Props to Kode9 for recognising the vitality of this music faster than most, but ultimately his broader aesthetic is one that I feel is at odds with the healthy development of this genre.

It's the kind of approach to the genre which inevitably turns it into just another serious anti-populist form of post-jungle UK beat music. I don't want funky to be about twenty angry guys in a basement staring at the floor while they meditate on the bass weight.

Tim F, Monday, 1 December 2008 22:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

although it could really do with some sort of chorus (i do find that with a lot of funky vocals the melodies could do with some more space - the singing just never seems to end) katy b's as i do should be massive.

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 1 December 2008 23:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

omg that's exactly what melissa and i were saying after the first beyond night (in comparison to the circle night we'd been to before that) - it was so exactly like fwd for ages, boys in hoodies standing moodily around the dancefloor, only melissa and i making any effort to dance. to be fair the dancefloor did get going eventually, when groups of girls started arriving, but the contrast to the circle night was pretty stark - there, it was pure good vibes from the get-go, a really people had made an effort to glam up and they were there to dance and be social, not to look moody. i enjoyed the music at both but circle had an innate embrace of housiness (eg playing 'my joy', 'who's afraid of detroit?' etc) which beyond didn't (consequently the DJs at the latter played 'in the air' like three times in 2 hours).

i haven't been to beyond since though this isn't a deliberate decision. the best funky-affiliated nights i've been to are things like night slugs and wifey, which mix it in with bassline, ghettotech etc (and a bit of grime).

the fwd way is prob inevitable to an extent though given how tied into the grime/dubstep infrastructure it's becoming...from what i hear kode9's fwd set yesterday was really fun and awesome though, so i'm not sure there's that much to fear. yet.

lex pretend, Monday, 1 December 2008 23:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

(xp)

lex pretend, Monday, 1 December 2008 23:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah apparently 'tell me' had a digital release in aug, no one noticed. and the arms rmx of tawiah is on bm-soho. (has anyone heard the arms refix of 'samir's theme'? ferocious.)

lex pretend, Monday, 1 December 2008 23:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm not sure thats really a fair comparison. I mean, doesn't being the same city, playing on the same pirate radio station, playing in the same clubs and being on the same line ups mean that there is a bit of difference between rupture and 9. Don't you mean that he doesnt seem to share your populist ideology? Aren't you the journalist 'dilettante of cheesy street music from around the world recontentextualising genre as momentary incarnation of pop spirit'?

jon b (bass), Monday, 1 December 2008 23:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

xpost - the second beyond wasnt moody like that at all. lots of nice vibes and (hot) smiley girls and chilled out guys.

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 1 December 2008 23:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah i do want to go again. gutted that i missed fwd...this weekend was such a huge fail for me.

lex pretend, Monday, 1 December 2008 23:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

Sorry, still talking to Tim. Another thing that confuses your rupture/9 comparison, is that rupture spent a long time on his blog slagging off dubstep for similar reason you're slagging of 9. I think you're probably reading a bit much into his appearance on rupture's show and that 'soca grime' quote. But that statement was is actually pretty prophetic of the way Marcus' sets have developed in the last few months, him dropping the 'house' bit of 'funky house' and people talking about 'funky' being 'grime in disguise'. I'm not sure you can blame 9 for that.

jon b (bass), Monday, 1 December 2008 23:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

bit like how you can't really blame tim for robin thicke stealing your r&b crown eh.

r|t|c, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 00:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

"Aren't you the journalist 'dilettante of cheesy street music from around the world recontentextualising genre as momentary incarnation of pop spirit'?"

Probably, but the difference is that nobody takes me seriously. Also, my way tends to result in better music. You can take Loefah and I can take Quentin Harris (but actually the above's not an accurate summation of my taste w/r/t funky - I've been repping for Roska and Little Silver etc. as hard as anyone in this thread). Sure Kode9 was prescient w/r/t his soca-grime comment (although this in itself was pretty obvious at the time, it's the "not house" bit I think is more interesting). But he was also prescient when he was making "death garage" back in 2000. That doesn't mean those tracks weren't pretty dire though! And they pretty clearly set the trend for a whole slather of mediocre dubstep b/w 2002 and 2006. Not that this is Kode9's fault, I doubt more than a handful of dubstep producers have ever heard his early work. But it's pretty clear that this mindset - that whole post-techstep fear of the future / technology takes control narrative - is inimical to a good deal of what makes funky great music.

Anyway I don't mean to hate, his remix of Geiom's "Reminiscin" is one of my favourite dubstep tunes of 2008, I adore about 70% of Memories of the Future, and obv. he's done heaps of great things over the years. In a lot of ways it's great he's into funky - by and large he's always had great ears I reckon.

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 01:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

DJ/Rupture disliking dubstep (well, until Uproot, which ironically is pretty good) actually fits my comparison! Because the context of Kode9 playing funky was him saying he feels uninspired by dubstep having become too, hard, too masculine etc.

Both these guys are very self-conscious about not simply becoming The Bug, they want to maintain a connection to street music in its genuineness and wholeness - on Gold Teeth Thief (still a great mix) Rupture obviously wasn't afraid of R&B vocals and street rap and the like, it wasn't like he was committing a wholesale plunder of street music sounds so as to recontextualise them in indie friendly contexts.

Nonetheless, despite their best intentions neither Rupture nor Kode9 can prevent their curatorial hands from turning everything they touch into something just a little more serious or worthy than it was before. It's something I'm mindful of in writing about this stuff - but again, the difference is nobody really takes me seriously.

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 01:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

"Nonetheless, despite their best intentions neither Rupture nor Kode9 can prevent their curatorial hands from turning everything they touch into something just a little more serious or worthy than it was before. It's something I'm mindful of in writing about this stuff - but again, the difference is nobody really takes me seriously."

Thats a bit of a cop out isn't it. Lots of people read your stuff Tim. Of course, mainly the chattering classes of the music press/blogosphere looking for a hot tip, but not just those. Your writing on ukg and funky is great. But doesn't your informed and intelligent writing have exactly the same effect i.e. makes underground pop more worthy than it was before, forcing people to take it more seriously. Is your issues here that you are a popist and accusing them of being rockists, if i'm understanding that idea correctly.

jon b (bass), Tuesday, 2 December 2008 08:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

Well, thanks Jon. I guess when I say people don't take what I say seriously, I mean that my writing doesn't become part of a feedback loop that affects the music itself, except in a very diffuse sense. Whereas if Kode9 gets dubstep fans listening to the grimmer end of funky (and certainly this is as much as we can hope for, already a lot of these types draw distinctions between Apple, Roska etc. on the one hand and Crazi Cousinz etc. on the other), inevitably there'll be effects on the music in terms of the tracks that get produced, the tracks that get big, the nights that are successful etc.

Yes, my writing may have the effect of making people take this music more seriously, or at least I'd like to hope so. But I also like to think that it invites people to take seriously music that doesn't necessarily satisfy the familiar "tests" of seriousness - moodiness, "deepness", a general air of seriousness that characterises even the best dubstep (and I should stress again that i've loved heap of dubstep this year). I wouldn't consider myself to be approaching this music in a popist way because I'm not only interested in this stuff insofar as it intersects with crossover pop music ("Do You Mind", "Bongo Jam", perhaps "In The Air" if Perempae gets lucky); rather I like to think that if my writing prevents a certain "notion" of funky, the distance between the notion and the real thing (or, to put it another way, the distorting effect of my ideological imprint) is relatively minimal. That is, I want to try to connect with funky exactly as it is - populist and underground, traditional and avant, anthemic and minimal, fluffy and aggressive... That might make me rather uncritical, but it's motivated less by ideology and more by the fact that I genuinely do enjoy the full range of this stuff.

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 09:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

hey Tim, can you recommend a good set that captures the lighter end of funky?

Ringtone Tycoon (The Reverend), Tuesday, 2 December 2008 09:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

Have you actually spoken to Kode about this Tim? Because I think you're over extrapolating from one, early, radio interview and his position on the music is significantly different from that you're very negatively portraying.

Martinclark, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 10:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

inevitably there'll be effects on the music in terms of the tracks that get produced, the tracks that get big, the nights that are successful etc.

fwiw i don't think there's any reaction against the 'poppier' or cheesier end of this at any of the nights i've been to - really wish i'd gone to fwd on sunday so i could report back for myself, but people i know who ~love~ the crazy cousinz end of funky also loved kode9's set, so i don't think there's much to worry about at all. i can possibly see it moving away from the housier end of things but that might be more due to an influx of djs and producers who aren't that well-versed in it, rather than anything more uh philosophical.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 10:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

"omg that's exactly what melissa and i were saying after the first beyond night (in comparison to the circle night we'd been to before that) - it was so exactly like fwd for ages

isn't that exactly the purpose of Beyond though? Putting it in the West End, putting Kode on the bill, with all the clear resonances of early FWD and Speed parties. This is in comparison to Rinse's Incognito, which was last held in Gants Hill and was, by all reports, obviously, quite a different demographic...

Martinclark, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 10:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

"Have you actually spoken to Kode about this Tim? Because I think you're over extrapolating from one, early, radio interview and his position on the music is significantly different from that you're very negatively portraying."

May well be the case. If he's playing vocal tracks now I'll take it all back. Having said that, the very fact that they're trying to make a funky night with resonances of early FWD and Speed tends to make me think that the dynamic i'm imagining isn't so imaginary.

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 10:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

Reverend, "light" funky dj sets can be a bit misleading - in my experience when the DJs have a consciously lighter style it means they play a lot of US vocal house, rather than, say, lots of Crazi Cousinz remixes. Most of the DJs I've heard who focus on UK material play pretty much the full spectrum.

In the former style, I have a good Perempay set which I'm trying to find a link for.

See also Baby Face Jay's myspace page for downloadable sets.

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 10:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

who's 'they' though tim, this is Geeneus' night and was filled with DJs like MA1, the Circle boys, and gee is very keen to keep funky vocal and feminine. Kode was merely the warm up DJ, when no one was there.

now, having no-one there does have the resonance of FWD, i'll give you that, but the reason for the dancefloor space is because (i'm told) the funky lot dont come out until much later. by the mid and end the night got much busier, more vocal and housey.

Martinclark, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 10:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

alright, thanks! xp

Ringtone Tycoon (The Reverend), Tuesday, 2 December 2008 10:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

w/r/t this stuff I'm totally hostage to what you guys tell me. My concerns are more bound up in how this stuff gets received - every dubstep fan I know over here (and there are millions of them now) who I ask about funky gives me the same spiel: "oh yeah Kode9 is into that right? I don't like vocal shit but that Apple guy is good..." Probably it's even worse over here than in the UK because those dubstep fans are comfortably insulated from the reality of funky.

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 10:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

in terms of funky sets, i can't wait to hear the mixed cd which comes with the geeneus album - just look at this setlist. amel larrieux! monique bingham!

Disc 2 - Bonus Mix CD

1. Thommy Davis - Mars Needs Women (Spen & Thommy Mix)
2. Crazi Cousinz - Bongo Jam
3. Underground Collective - Jesus Creates Sound
4. Donaeo - Devil In A Blue Dress
5. Suges - We Belong To The Night
6. Fingaprint - Night Time In July
7. Zinc - Fatima Track
8. Arvark - Well Well Well
9. Perempay + Dee Feat. Katie Pearl - In The Air
10. Geeneus - In To The Future
11. The Dream Sellers - Do It Better
12. Sucre Danny Tejada
13. Naughty - Quicktime Vip
14. Kentphonic - Sunday Showers
15. Geeneus - Yellowtail
16. Naughty - Fire Power
17. Roska - Feline
18. Ralf Gum & Monique Bingham - Kissing Strangers
19. Plash + Friends - Revolution = Solution
20. Mescal Kid - Majic
21. Crazi Cousinz + Kyla - Do You Mind
22. Hard House Banton - Sirens
23. Hard House Banton - Sirens (Geeneus Remix)
24. Ma1 Feat. Simone - Give It Up
25. Fingaprint - Signed + Sealed
26. Jovonn - Banger 27 Geeneus & Zinc - Emotions
27. G Fam S Frontline
28. Grand High Priest Mixdown
29. Amel Larrieux 4 Real
30. Geeneus & Katy B As I

lex pretend, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 10:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

the reason for the dancefloor space is because (i'm told) the funky lot dont come out until much later. by the mid and end the night got much busier, more vocal and housey.

yeah this makes sense, plus it's also still a fairly young night.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 10:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah that Geeneus mix looks great, a nice cross-section of the scene, and I'm pleased he's got "We Belong To The Night" on there.

I only realised recently that the percussive sound that zooms through "Am I" intermittently is meant to sound like a horse galloping. It made me think of reynolds comparing funky's rhythms unfavourably to a horse's gait.

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 11:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

w/r/t this stuff I'm totally hostage to what you guys tell me. My concerns are more bound up in how this stuff gets received - every dubstep fan I know...

OK sure i just dont really see why you'd care what dubstep fans say?

Martinclark, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 11:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

same way dubstep heads used to care about what dnb heads said!

also though the overwhelming dominance of a certain musical ideology? or rather exclusion of another

about the first point, i wonder whether maybe funky has a much more significant base and infrastructure already that perhaps isn't as vulnerable to an influx of demands or expectations? i really hope so

Benjamin, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 11:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

"OK sure i just dont really see why you'd care what dubstep fans say?"

Because the (current) dubstep audience (which is basically the late nineties/early 00s d&b audience) is bigger than the funky audience, at least in terms of actually buying records/mp3s, and could very easily overwhelm the current funky auience simply by selectively endorsing the funky they like. I think it's already very easy to see how, with enough interest from that audience, funky could become just an endless succession of heavy instrumental tribal cuts, much like the Distance/Rusko/Caspa intersection only with the jamaican reference points replaced by african reference points. It's already happened to jungle and to dubstep...

Not to put words into his mouth but I think this is what r|t|c means when he mentions the ambivalence he feels w/r/t "Feeline (VIP Mix)" and other self-consciously heavy funky tracks.

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 11:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

Let's get real tim, the vast majority of dubstep fans have only a small or limited interest in funky, despite the interest from some of the more visible dubstep heads.

if funky is getting darker, it's because the bandwagon jumping from london grime producers and MCs, rather than the global dubstep scene.

Martinclark, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 11:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

BTW I was also basing my assessment of Kode9's approach to funky on the rather oppressive dystopian track titchy posted the youtube link for upthread, which seemed in accordance with the line he was pushing on Rupture's show. Are his sets not like that? (genuinely curious) What does he play?

"Let's get real tim, the vast majority of dubstep fans have only a small or limited interest in funky, despite the interest from some of the more visible dubstep heads."

Wouldn't this have been true of d&b fans and dubstep three years ago? I'm just saying history has a tendency of repeating itself in this area.

"if funky is getting darker, it's because the bandwagon jumping from london grime producers and MCs, rather than the global dubstep scene."

Yes I agree with this. I'm not trying to blame dubstep for funky getting darker, which for the most part I enjoy and approve of. There's a difference between the darkness of, say, Little Silver's "Seasons" and the darkness of the Kode9 track titchy posted upthread.

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 11:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

from what I've heard, i don't think that kode9 track is particularly dark, a little weird maybe.

Certainly that tack on the new release isnt dark.

jon b (bass), Tuesday, 2 December 2008 12:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah "2 Bad" sounds pretty good actually.

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 12:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

BTW Reverend see if you can find Baby Face Jay's "Into Deep" mix, it has RiskSoundSystem's awesomely vibey "The Sound Is Yours", which is like the greatest track Quentin Harris never made.

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 12:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

lol. after that much mud throwing, tell me that wasnt the first time you've heard "2Bad" Tim?

Martinclark, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 12:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

Eh, I reckon I've been pretty careful to say that I think a lot of Kode9 as a producer at several points in this thread. But no I've heard "2Bad" a fair amount, though "Bad" much more often. I meant "sounds" as in "sounds like a pretty good stab at funky-not-funky."

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 12:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

FWIW I prefer "Bad". It's sexier.

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 12:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

ditto.

Martinclark, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 12:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ha ha King Unique's "Heads, Shoulders, Knees & Toes" - how desperate are we for dancehall-flavoured funky?

Very amateurish, but so action-packed and enthusiastic I was loving it by the end of the track.

(this from this week's footloose show)

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 13:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

this is so great: I've finished my thesis, don't start full time work until march, and have all summer (yr winter i'm guessing) to spend cozying up to new funky.

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 13:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

boomkat is stocking roska 12"s, and will probably make one of them a 'record of the week' (what an undiluted honour that is), tim's nightmare progresses...

resolved, Thursday, 4 December 2008 08:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

"boomkat is stocking roska 12"s, and will probably make one of them a 'record of the week' (what an undiluted honour that is), tim's nightmare progresses..."

Not nightmare really, there's a certain inevitability to the process.

r|t|c, the donaeo track you were asking about is called "At First Sight". Donaeo's also done a vocal version of Suge's "We Belong To The Night" - it's called "Party Hard" and it's tremendously silly.

Also either Spoonface's astonishing "Boogie Jam" is a very different track to "Boogie Time Riddim" or I'd completely forgotten what it sounded like. It's amazing! Rollicking dancehall business.

So much funky really reminds me of Lenky' Dreamweaver Riddim.

Tim F, Thursday, 4 December 2008 10:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

HEY AMERICA! Footloose 1XTRA archive working for me this week! hope it's sorted out for good

Paul, Thursday, 4 December 2008 13:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

Marcus' show on Wednesday night was an "emotional" set for the ladies, which in Marcus terms basically means he intersperses every hard track with a vocal number. Includes n astonishing new Crazi Cousinz track which is a) clearly their response to the success of stuff like Hard House Banton's "Sirens" and b) amazing and much better than "Sirens" et. al. Built around a xylophone hook that keeps getting more intricate as the track progresses.

Also props to Spyro who obviously is responsible for the track I described upthread as:

"the one chord house anthem immediately afterwards, a bit Fuzzy Logickish, surely this is the peak of the set??? They big up Spyro while it's playing but I'm doubtful that it's him."

BUT the most amazing track on this is the absolute stunner at about the 9 minute mark that sounds like a cross between Roska and Danny Weed and Bump & Flex circa 2001 - yeah, I bet this is one for the ladies! Anyway this is officially my new "funky is the future" standard-bearer track for the next few days.

Marcus does his best to recreate the whole Footloose-patented funky mise en scene by mixing into an ace vocal track with this choice lyric: "You and me, I don't give a fuck about she..."

Tim F, Friday, 5 December 2008 03:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, here's a link. Big up Ben UFO for this one:

http://sharebee.com/97fc236c

Tim F, Friday, 5 December 2008 03:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

Marcus' show on Wednesday night was an "emotional" set for the ladies, which in Marcus terms basically means he intersperses every hard track with a vocal number.

lol

haven't checked this yet, i find myself not that excited to listen to Marcus Nasty at the moment...

that Crazy Cousinz tune sounds like Inflation maybe? such a good tune, very bizarre vibes

Benjamin, Friday, 5 December 2008 10:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

hmm that italics thing didnt go so well, ho hum

Benjamin, Friday, 5 December 2008 10:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

King Unique's "Heads, Shoulders, Knees & Toes"

Hahahaha this rules. Tim have you seen the video that accompanies it?

Matt DC, Saturday, 6 December 2008 15:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

did we get this one id'ed, just after the one hour mark in the marcus nasty set

the one chord house anthem immediately afterwards, a bit Fuzzy Logickish, surely this is the peak of the set??? They big up Spyro while it's playing but I'm doubtful that it's him.

I NEED THIS TUNE

all my single lobsters put a ring on it (tpp), Saturday, 6 December 2008 15:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

It's definitely by Spyro but I don't know it's name.

Matt I haven't seen the video! Where can I shot?

Tim F, Saturday, 6 December 2008 16:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

Note the old geezer at the end.

Matt DC, Saturday, 6 December 2008 17:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ha that's briliant. "Watch me confuse the dance now!"

Mario's "Black President" is furious 'n full on, not quite sure if he meant it to be inspirational.

The Mak 10 track on Marucs' last set OTOH is kinda shitty. Grim and funkless.

Tim F, Sunday, 7 December 2008 11:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

I think the key issue for me is whether the tunes retain that kind of joyful ravey vibe. I'm not really interested in moody funky. Like the three tunes I mention above (the Crazi Cousinz one, the Spyro one, the one that sounds like Danny Weed) are all really exciting and uptempo even when they're a little bit aggressive - on the last the sample goes "Time to get nasty!" (which may or may not be done specially for Marcus's dub) but it's a bit of a comedy moment as much as anything else. And the Crazi Cousinz tune is just so fiercely uplifting (I reckon Ronan would like it incidentally). The really hyper vocal tunes (stuff like "Falling" and "As I") get this vibe so effectively through their vocals but that's only one way to achieve it, and i like the way that very different types of tunes can reach toward the same kind of vibe. And it's such an exciting vibe! Not being into this stuff strikes me as a bit of a failure of taste tbh.

At the end of the day though I think there are just too many people who like stuff to be pointlessly "moody" (and not good-moody like, say, Hard House Banton's "Turn It Around", a marvelous lovesick vocal track). It'll start to take its toll eventually.

Tim F, Monday, 8 December 2008 09:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

XD at that "Head Shoulders Knees N Toes" track

Animal Collector (The Reverend), Monday, 8 December 2008 10:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

"At the end of the day though I think there are just too many people who like stuff to be pointlessly "moody". It'll start to take its toll eventually."

im not sure that the threat is as big as you imply, i do share your thoughts to a certain extent, but to play devil's advocate...

funky seems to have a quite huge and relatively stable infrastructure of promoters and raves, and it seems to me that really the key is what happens there... djs and producers must be making much more cash off of raves than records... bookings, dubplate sales etc, and thats what i would think would most likely drive changes to the main thrust of the sound. it just doesn't seem like boomkat selling 12s and apple getting loads of forum / blog adulation for whatever reason is gonna change that. surely the real threat is not people who want it moody or deep but those who want it aggy, if 2-step's trajectory is any indication? you listen to what most promoters or producers from within the scene are saying and the fear is of kids with attitudes and too many mc's taking over, not too much self-conscious moodiness / desire for 'deep' vibes

it also raises something which i've considered from time to time... the extent to which widely visible internet platforms (blogs, popular web mags, forums etc) can be taken to reflect the spirit of any given scene or 'the times' as it were... or whether they often present a skewed reflection of the way things are happening in clubs or scenes or whatever. i make my way to a fairly broad range of places and parties and i find that very rarely are the experiences i have there reflected by the buzz around them or the most visible 'spokespersons' of those scenes if you know what i mean. i guess what im saying in that is that 'moody' scenes and people are probably massively over represented on the internet... from being out and about in London it seems to me that relatively speaking people who only like it heads down in a club are very very few and far between

Benjamin, Monday, 8 December 2008 13:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

I think I agree with Benjamin here, and in any case I can think of pretty solid commercial reasons why promoters would prefer a scene dominated by uplifting, fun, girl-friendly records than one dominated by moody blokes nodding their heads.

That said most dance genres to tend towards the latter after they get to a certain age but I can't see that happening here for a good couple of years or so.

Matt DC, Monday, 8 December 2008 14:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

Some of those vocals and beats on the last Marcus Nasty set are pretty bland. There is practically no vocal science in the songs, no edge, which wouldnt matter if the songs were any good, but most of them just aren't. I wish funky had a 'heartbroken', perhaps that vocal on hard house bantons blog which i dont know the name of (2.08 on the first track on his blog. . name anyone?) which i love, because most of the vocals I'm hearing are just nothing, compared to say the classics of 2 step. I was pretty disappointed by some of the beats as well. I'm not hearing the 'ravey joyfulness' at all. I'm hearing ultrablandness.

jon b (bass), Monday, 8 December 2008 22:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

Well the moody tracks I'm talking about are also "aggy" tracks - only "deep" in the sense of not being cheesy (cf. "deep" funky tracks from the more relatively more conservative end of the scene e.g. Perempay's "Hypnotic").

"I think I agree with Benjamin here, and in any case I can think of pretty solid commercial reasons why promoters would prefer a scene dominated by uplifting, fun, girl-friendly records than one dominated by moody blokes nodding their heads."

I hope you guys are right. But I ran this line for a long time with garage.

I think the issue is that promoters driven by commercial concerns can always just switch over to R&B and house if they need to. And the audiences for the lighter end of funky will for the most part happily follow if funky starts getting too masculine. After all, there's much less difference between vocal funky and regular vocal house than there was between 2-step and vocal house or 2-step and R&B.

"I'm not hearing the 'ravey joyfulness' at all. I'm hearing ultrablandness."

Which set are you talking about jon? Last week's? Some of it is bland, but mainly the crappy angry tracks (e.g. Mak 10's) that i'm complaining about... Which tracks do you mean?

I love that track with the weird wracked diva yelling "I don't want! I don't want! I don't wanna be with you!!"

Tim F, Monday, 8 December 2008 23:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

"most of the vocals I'm hearing are just nothing, compared to say the classics of 2 step."

I dunno, what are you comparing this too? "Flowers" and the Groove Asylum remix of "Loveshy", sure, those have yet to be matched, but Jesus isn't born every day...

Toppatop girly vocal funky anthems (in roughly descending order of greatness and just off the top of my head):

Geeneus - As I
Wookie ft. Ny - Falling
KCat - Get On The Floor (Delio D'Cruz Remix) (not the just-okay house mix masquerading under its name that Lex posted to this thread)
Quentin Harris - My Joy (Malice Refix)
Kyla - Do You Mind (Crazi Cousinz Remix)
Perempay & Dee - In The Air
Tawiah - Every Step (Arms Remix)
TNT - Your Mind, Your Body, Your Soul
Hard House Banton - Turn It Around
Norris Windross - Live Life
DVA - I'm Leaving
Princess - Frontline

Also one that has slowly become a sentimental favourite is the bumping one that goes "you know you wanna dance, get your back up off the wall... hhhavveeaadddriinnnnk... you know you wanna boogie, got yourself a brand new hoodie, and you know you're looking good, G, looking good, G, looking good, G..." What's that called again?

Tim F, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 03:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

i make my way to a fairly broad range of places and parties and i find that very rarely are the experiences i have there reflected by the buzz around them or the most visible 'spokespersons' of those scenes if you know what i mean. i guess what im saying in that is that 'moody' scenes and people are probably massively over represented on the internet... from being out and about in London it seems to me that relatively speaking people who only like it heads down in a club are very very few and far between

Interesting point because it depends what you want to measure their representation against. if you threw the net wide enough in London, you'd catch thousands of terrible wine bars playing pop, Ritzi-style clubs aimed at hen do's, student rock nights etc. Thing is no one really blogs about these kinds of experiences, but then you need to ballance that against the over representation of rock and pop in the music press and the under representation of underground sounds in those mags. so perhaps blogs are just working to redress the commercial bias of the media.

On another note, re Tim's point above, the vocal side of funky is coming on nicely. Princess "Frontline" is a persy, as is "In the Air." And i've been all over Kyla remix since April. I much prefer Marcus Nasty sets when he's with Quincy and is playing vocal stuff too.

That's the thing about close genres and how they interact: to me funky is filling several different needs right now. it's serving both London grime fans and some of the dubstep headz' with danceability and feminine vocal pressure, two things their respective genres forgot about.

Martinclark, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 08:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yes, I think this sense of "filling several different needs" is U&K.

I like Quincy because he's such a party time guy, I like how he toasts even when he has nothing to say.

The problem with the Rankin'-only sets is that when Rankin' has nothing to say he just shuts up for long stretches, over tracks that really need an MC to work. And then half the time he just recites his lines as if he's passing time.

I still think his best moment over funky (that i've heard at least - I should stop acting like an omniscient expert) was his set with Shantie, especially the middle section where they traded tracks back and forth over "Gabryelle (Refix)" and "Rising Sun" and the like.

Tim F, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 10:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

"I think the issue is that promoters driven by commercial concerns can always just switch over to R&B and house if they need to. And the audiences for the lighter end of funky will for the most part happily follow if funky starts getting too masculine. After all, there's much less difference between vocal funky and regular vocal house than there was between 2-step and vocal house or 2-step and R&B."

this is definitely a good point. and if some producers are alienated into moving further towards trad house in reaction to the onset of the grimey stuff then that perpetuates it. time will tell i guess, just got to enjoy the balance while it (if it!) lasts

shame to hear that about Mak 10's tune, i'm quite surprised, he seems very keen on the softer and vocal sides of house, but there you go

"no one really blogs about these kinds of experiences, but then you need to ballance that against the over representation of rock and pop in the music press and the under representation of underground sounds in those mags. so perhaps blogs are just working to redress the commercial bias of the media."

indeed, there was no negative judgement in what i said, i too think its good that there are outlets for different ways of looking at the world. i was just saying that the looming threat of the shadowy downcast masses may not be as significant as the internet might suggest!

Benjamin, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 10:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

i dont entirely buy the dark music always = unhappy people, argument though. often very unhappy people like shimmery, throwaway pop because it helps them forget. but that doesn't mean they're happy people to begin with.

and similarly people like dark music because it's exciting or has an element of seriousness to it, but that doesn't mean they're intrinsically unhappy. i'm very happy when a big bassline drops!

Martinclark, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 10:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

"i dont entirely buy the dark music always = unhappy people, argument though. often very unhappy people like shimmery, throwaway pop because it helps them forget. but that doesn't mean they're happy people to begin with."

I absolutely agree with that. Having said that there's a certain vibe to dancefloors playing dark/heavy/muscular that tend to be.... dark, heavy and muscular!

D&B nights and the more one-note dubstep nights actually strike me as quite cheerful. Lots of crowing when the tracks get rewound etc. Esp. with those kind of dubstep nights (playing Caspa style stuff) it kind of annoys me because I can't connect with it much and everyone else enjoying themselves so ostentatiously makes me feel a bit resentful.

"shame to hear that about Mak 10's tune, i'm quite surprised, he seems very keen on the softer and vocal sides of house, but there you go"

I'm hoping it's a one-off misstep.

Tim F, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 10:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

"i dont entirely buy the dark music always = unhappy people, argument though. often very unhappy people like shimmery, throwaway pop because it helps them forget. but that doesn't mean they're happy people to begin with."

yeh absolutely, of course. i suppose with regard to my earlier statement read 'moody people' as 'people who like to listen to moody music', without intended judgement on their psychological states or the complex reasons that they're drawn to those experiences or sounds

Benjamin, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 10:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

Also one that has slowly become a sentimental favourite is the bumping one that goes "you know you wanna dance, get your back up off the wall... hhhavveeaadddriinnnnk... you know you wanna boogie, got yourself a brand new hoodie, and you know you're looking good, G, looking good, G, looking good, G..." What's that called again?

that's rudimental - 'feet have souls'. love it too

http://www.myspace.com/1rudimentalrecordings

dbs, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 11:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

It's one of those tracks that seems a bit underwhelming the first time through but the more you listen the more charming and lovable and slightly odd it becomes. Those lyrics!

Tim F, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 11:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

jeez, i'd left this thread for dead and now i find it's been raging.

@ rltlc:

"god i could barely hear it above the wonderful sound of some canadian junglist wanker's twatois flashcards flying out his hands halfway across the world."

speaking as the resident canadian funky fan, i don't even know what you're on about here. do you?

paul nomos, Sunday, 14 December 2008 16:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

anyway, marcus' sets have indeed been getting increasingly monochromatic. the b2b with mak10 had (to my ears) a near perfect balance - precarious with all the different elements checking and building on each other. but you could already hear the momentum shifting. the mc one was exciting as an experiment but if that becomes the norm it'll kill off a lot of what drew people there in the first place.

interestingly, roska said on the funky forum that he didn't like that set at all. also that that he regretted making a few tunes that were too grimey and plans to head further back into house territory. understandable given the deluge of spare, grimey tracks recently. some of the new stuff is just starting to remind me of something like "straight" by mondie. remember that one? the dullest, most stripped down grime track ever. and MCs loved it so much that they put out something like three 12"s of vocal versions.

still, i'm loving lots of it, just mostly when it's all thrown together and all the different styles are playing off of each other over the course of a set.

"just got to enjoy the balance while it (if it!) lasts"

exactly. people making this "funky will be good when..." argument are already missing it.

paul nomos, Sunday, 14 December 2008 17:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

Princess - Frontline

^^this is a really awesome tune (btw it's princess nyah)

lex pretend, Sunday, 14 December 2008 17:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

So, that Geeneus album then. I wasn't expecting to hear such a range of influences - at times, I can hear echoes of early 90s Strictly Rhythm and Sheffield bleep-n-bass, for instance. "As I" is my clear favourite, while the Benga remix comes as a slight let-down as he doesn't really do that much with it compared to the original. As for the mix CD: 31 tracks in 60 minutes is rushing it a bit, but I like the wide range of styles, and at least he slows down for long enough to give "In The Air" a bit of breathing space.

mike t-diva, Monday, 15 December 2008 10:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

"I can hear echoes of early 90s Strictly Rhythm and Sheffield bleep-n-bass, for instance."

Yeah some of his earliest tracks, mainly on Dumpvalve, had strong techno influences which seem to be coming back in his funky tunes.

paul nomos, Monday, 15 December 2008 14:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

http://www.sendspace.com/file/yg45iy

New Marcus Nasty set (courtesy of Dissensus)

Includes a new tune by upmarket dubstep's finest Ramadanman.

DJ Ecchi (Siah Alan), Tuesday, 16 December 2008 17:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

its worth noting that as far as im aware Ramadanman has been into deep / soulful house as long as he has dubstep though...

Benjamin, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 19:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

The man has good taste in general, I'm excited to see him taking a stab at this music.

DJ Ecchi (Siah Alan), Tuesday, 16 December 2008 21:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

the vocal tunes from funky are growing on me. not really heard much on the level of do you mind or as i yet but theres a few others from the last few months that seem decent.

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 21:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

anyone else get kind of a 80s NY house feel from some of the instrumentals? they have that hard brittle percussive vibe to them.

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 21:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

The man has good taste in general, I'm excited to see him taking a stab at this music.

yeh man i think he will come with goods

btw has anyone checked DJ Mystery's new tunes on myspace? http://www.myspace.com/1djmystery

feeling Turn It Around majorly, very big vibes on that, seems like that vocal could be quite anthemic. so ravey, which is interesting... don't think i've heard anything so ravey from funky yet, only one that comes close is that Scotty D tune with the 'Destruction keeps happening" vocal

most people will know Mozart i guess it seems like its been getting hammered by quite a few djs

Benjamin, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 00:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

"seems like that vocal could be quite anthemic"

what i actually meant to say was epic!

Benjamin, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 12:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

perempay rmx of teedra moses on his myspazz omg!!!!

lex pretend, Saturday, 20 December 2008 13:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

ah very nice. but youd have to be a complete idiot to ruin that song. best remix of be your girl is the bmore club one tho...

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 20 December 2008 15:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

love that bopstar remix of in the air though... so good.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 20 December 2008 15:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

apparently funky producers are holding 'scene meetings', ukg/jungle style, to crack down on the grime-style riddim tracks (according to this crazy cousins interview i read in shook magazine)...

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 22 December 2008 10:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

link? post article?

J@cob, Monday, 22 December 2008 20:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

okay lol @ that

The Reverend, Monday, 22 December 2008 20:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

"according to this crazy cousins interview i read in shook magazine)..."

which issue is that? i just downloaded the two most recent (winter, summer) from www.shook.fm but i don't see it.

paul nomos, Tuesday, 30 December 2008 14:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

Perempay N Dee ft Shola Ama - DJ Play
http://www.zshare.net/audio/53597844a2be77e6/

huge track...

faze01, Sunday, 4 January 2009 00:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

wow thanks, loving that

lex pretend, Sunday, 4 January 2009 11:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

latest one. issue 4 i think.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Sunday, 4 January 2009 11:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

(xpost)

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Sunday, 4 January 2009 11:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

lil silva - seasons/funky flex is banging http://www.chemical-records.co.uk/sc/servlet/Info?Track=LILSILVA

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 20:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

Seasons is probably the stand-out, both very grimey with great bass.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 20:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

decent mix here by jackmaster of glasgow's numbers: http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=73011

Tracklisting:

Lil Silva - Funky Flex
Apple - Siegalizer
Roska - Our Father
Donaeo - African Warrior
Roska - Elevated Levels
Palceface & Kyla - Do You Mind (Crazy Cousins Remix)
Roska - Tack Tiles
Lil Silva - Seasons
D Malice - Gabrielle Refix
Kode 9 & LD - Bad
Martyn - Vancouver
Skream - If You Know
Zomby - Rumours & Revolutions
Perempay & Dee - Buss It

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Thursday, 15 January 2009 02:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

Liking this nice ‘funky’ mix I'm listening to, which I got on Little Detroit:

http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1723&Itemid=28

It’s more techy than I would have thought (plus there is deep house on it as well), but they are primarily a techno forum so that’s no surprise. How do you guys on here think it sits with the rest of the sound?

01 Ill Blu - Frontline (Roska Special)

02 Darkus Beat Company - Promise (Roska Remix)

03 Perempay & Dee - Hypnotic

04 Roska - Feeline (Roska 10K Dub Plate)

05 Karizma - I C U

06 Hard House Banton - Reign

07 Geeneus - As I (feat. Katy B)

08 Audiowhores - Make a Choice

09 Donaeo - Party Hard (Suges - We Belong to the Night)

10 Kenny Dope - Sound Bwoy

11 Roska - Gone to a Better Place

12 Hard House Banton - Sirens

13 Gary Bardouille - Starting Over

14 Karizma - It's What I Am (Simbad Remix)

15 Wookie - Gallium

16 Fingaprint - Take Over

17 Magic Touch - Hips

18 Geeneus - Yellowtail

19 Roska - Feeline (Original Mix)

20 Kentphonik - Sunday Showers

21 Crazy Cousinz - Inflation

22 Roska - Holograph

23 Roska - Climate Change (Original Mix)

24 D Malice - Gabrieylle Refix (Roska Special)

25 Roska - In Your Handbag

26 Nick Holder - Erotic Illusions (Triple T O V Mix)

27 DJ Gregory - Vasefa (Argy Remix)

28 Geeneus - Into the Future

29 Afefe Iku - Mirror Dance

30 Roska - Over the Horizons

Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 15 January 2009 12:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

That doesn't seem that far away from a usual funky set once you get over the relative lack of vocal tunes. Also I'm assuming this is an ID for the ace funky version of "Erotic Illusions" I've been hearing of late.

Tim F, Thursday, 15 January 2009 14:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

‘Roska - Gone to a Better Place’ sounds remarkably close to (what I consider) tech house. I like it.

Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 15 January 2009 15:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

i think Hard House Banton might be my favourite producer name ever.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Thursday, 15 January 2009 16:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

I was just having a chuckle at that one too.

Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 15 January 2009 16:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

this seems quite a slow moving scene.

uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 15 January 2009 16:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

I like the FACT Roska mix (especially as it's 256kbps). Smoothly flowing and agreeably varied.

mike t-diva, Friday, 16 January 2009 00:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

ah, that looks good, downloading now.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Friday, 16 January 2009 00:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

this CC inflation track is so crappy! its like a playschool xylophone line played with basic grime changes (but obv cos its a nice sound its 'classy').

uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 23 January 2009 17:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

re: slow moving...

I saw Marcus Nasty at aka for the rinse night recently and he was playing pretty much all stuff from last spring... On the other hand that's probably because it wasn't a proper funky night. Dunno, doesn't seem to have been much more of the good stuff since last summer though - just novelty dance tunes.

J@cob, Friday, 23 January 2009 20:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

"this CC inflation track is so crappy! "

titchy off the money as usual.

Tim F, Friday, 23 January 2009 21:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

no, no. its just crap. its almost like funky gone easy listening.

uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 23 January 2009 21:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

"its almost like (x) gone easy listening" is a black hole into which all interesting thought goes to die.

People have said the same of all manner of awesome tunes over the years. But anyway it's not even true, the groove is really muscular and the xylophone hook is totally ravey.

Tim F, Friday, 23 January 2009 22:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

'Inflation' is almost like a tighter relative of 2-Step/UKG's 'Endorphins'. The beat is hugely propulsive, largely down to the snare pattern (first hit is on the first beat of the bar), and the track has a huge amounts of vibez and tension.

Ach!, Monday, 26 January 2009 04:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

Spot on, "propulsive" is precisely the word. There's a sense in which it really perfects (in the sense of intensifying it to a point it's difficult to imagine bettering) the vibey energy of the funky's snare heavy sound without actually having to go down the grime route (the easiest way to know that someone is full of shit w/r/t funky is that they only like post-"Seasons" tunes that emphatically adopt grime/dubsteppy rhythmic ideas - now obv. "Seasons" is classic, but I like the way "Inflation" feels incredibly energetic but not at all aggressive).

Tim F, Monday, 26 January 2009 07:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

i caught up with Arms remixes showreel i downloaded a while back and they're all terrific - best of this subgenre i've heard so far

Bondzilla vs Mechaholmes (blueski), Monday, 26 January 2009 11:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

That's the broken beat end of the genre I guess. Agree that his stuff has a subtlety and er "depth" that's missing from a lot of the others. He seems like the MJ Cole of this stuff to me...

J@cob, Monday, 26 January 2009 11:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

princess's remix of 'party hard' is A+

lex pretend, Monday, 26 January 2009 22:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

the track has a huge amounts of vibe

funnily enough, i heard what sounded like a budget roy ayers remix of inflation a little while ago on rinse i think. had some strange attempts at soloing which made me lol a bit.

uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 26 January 2009 23:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

titchy might be thinking (...) of kentphonik's sultry 'sunday showers', or (as noted by prancehall) akefe iku's 'mirror dance', both of which could be seen as jazzier 'inflation' xylobites. wrongly.

not to k-punkture the polemic and all but shamefully i must admit that the nomenclature does also hold a certain allure - what mightve merely been a rote afro bubbler now looms with vague zeitgeist doom, absurdly escalating and fluttering up like an exploded suitcase of worthless trillion-dollar zimbabwean bills. feels crafty! the credit crunch ep from which it is supposedly taken will mercifully over-egg that notion though.

r|t|c, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 00:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

barely inflected “quality” productions so full of “soul” that there was no room left for a tune, so “deep” that all topographical dynamism gets smothered, all made by “cats” so jive that a positive reaction from plebian suburban, adolescent, gay, drug-using and/or female audiences would be rejected with distaste even if it was possible.

gotta hand it 2 u tho titch, you upped ur word game for this bad boy!

r|t|c, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 00:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

come to think of it though - i do like that recessionista waffle in terms of localising the proto-everything idealisation of funky. when else was house, bleep (i fought roska but couldnt ever rule him out), rnb (magic touch pro's 'signed and sealed', that 'sexy sixty seconds' one - shouldnt someone be mentioning these?), ragga and (oh yes) acid jazz all at play but the early 90s - grimness, pirate radio, south london, a general rebirth of uk ownbrand music of all stripes, all of that. context music! just er, substitute the bongo for the breakbeat. soul 2 soul woman's daughter winning x-factor IT IS A PORTENT DON'T U SEE

r|t|c, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 00:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

with me as the jeezy of uh-wait-a-sec-how-is-this-actually-relevant-to-what-i'm-hearing-NO-ONE-SAID-THIS-ABOUT-'THE-GREAT-DEPRESSION'-BY-DMX flimsy social crit, natch

r|t|c, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 00:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

http://www.bm-soho.com/store/AutoKey/101604/mr/mathziap

btw who's heard any djs/sets playing anything off this besides footloose? i declare it canon.

r|t|c, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 01:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

what mightve merely been a rote afro bubbler now looms with vague zeitgeist doom

ha this is actually totally right! there's definitely a kind of menace in the way it builds and builds. roska mixes it into 'sunday showers' on his fact mix, it's definitely a reply of sorts to it, the stabby strings as well as the xylophone riff. and one of those mr mathz tracks also has xylophone action, truly it is the sound of 09.

also feeling jalla's 'turbulence', which uses 'who's afraid of detroit?' as a jump-off point for a lovely zig-zagging riff.

a heads-up - www.invasionrecords.co.uk now has an mp3 store - pick up the crop for me right now is 'hips'...

lex pretend, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 16:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

i bet they thought they were being really clever by calling it inflation and having a xylophone riff that goes up and down, up and down, etc etc. 'see what weve done there?!??!?!'

ive not listened to marcus nasty in weeks. might see him on sunday tho.

uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 19:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

Where's he playing on Sunday?

Mirror-spangled elephant head (J@cob), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 19:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

fwd at plastic ppl, if youre in london.

uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 19:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

has anyone been to the yellow night which is on saturday? keep meaning to go, but can't make it this time. will be seeing d-malice and kode9 @ night slugs tomorrow though!

lex pretend, Thursday, 29 January 2009 10:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

Sshh Titchy.

r|t|c I ritualistically support your posts as ever but is there a glossary somewhere...?

Tim F, Thursday, 29 January 2009 10:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

not been yellow, no. i wanna see kode 9 deejay funky though. as long as he doesnt have spaceape mc on top ;)

uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 29 January 2009 10:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

Now that I'm in London i really want to go to one of those club E3/Stratford/Dagenham style funky raves rather than centrally located dubsteppy things. Anyone know a good source of info about them? Might go to FWD on sunday though...

Mirror-spangled elephant head (J@cob), Thursday, 29 January 2009 12:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

facebook is the place to find and keep up with funky events from what i can find, myspace is usually more difficult

this is good also

http://www.nuthingsorted.com/

there is a big one coming up at Babalou in Brixton later this month...

Dub Organiser and Cartel Family Presents: The Producers House Feb 27 Babalou, Brixton

Fingaprint
Roska
Cooly G
Perempay
Hardhouse Banton b2b Dubplate Wonder
Lewis Williams

£5 before 12 / £10 after

No hats hoods or sports wear.

Benjamin, Thursday, 29 January 2009 16:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

ahhhh that looks awesome, i am def going to try to reach that...

circle events are on hiatus for 6 months but this is their adults only side project - they're doing a night tomorrow, had contemplated trying to do both it and night slugs but i have a feeling that won't happen.

lex pretend, Thursday, 29 January 2009 22:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

that does look sick, i bet the tunes will be storming. although the repeated emphasis on maturity is a little much!

interesting how they use 'DUBBAGE' to describe some of the stuff they play, never heard that before... Tippa has his myspace as House & Dubbage. anyone know what that's about?

Benjamin, Friday, 30 January 2009 10:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

Do not approve of 'dubbage' as a term, if only because if it takes off it's only a matter of time before someone moves to coin the pop version of the term and then, ugh, do not want.

Matt DC, Friday, 30 January 2009 10:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

It sounds like an unpleasant vegetable.

Mirror-spangled elephant head (J@cob), Friday, 30 January 2009 13:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

House & Garub

O Supermanchiros (blueski), Friday, 30 January 2009 13:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

Do not approve of 'dubbage' as a term, if only because if it takes off it's only a matter of time before someone moves to coin the pop version of the term and then, ugh, do not want.

i don't follow?! am i being slow

does anyone know what it means though? is it describing the kind of weirder side of new US garage? im quite intrigued

Benjamin, Friday, 30 January 2009 15:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

Y're not slow and y're better off not knowing.

Ozman Bin Laden (Raw Patrick), Friday, 30 January 2009 17:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

Fuzzy Logick has some great new tracks, typically in a billion different styles. "Roots" is a ridiculously intense asymmetrical piano stomper, a similar blunt-axe syncopated groove to "Twiss". Meanwhile another tune which I think is called "In The Morning" is an insane vocal anthem, massive bouncy beat, enormous synthesiser spurts and a fabulous diva vocal. It's very freestyle or early Jam & Spoon.

There's also a lot of tracks that sound a lot like early LFO - those same slippery, slithery weedy electro melodies. Roska's "In Your Handbag" obv, but lots of others whose names i don't know. Ironically Mr Roach's actual "LFO" sampling tune isn't terribly good, though Hardcore Continuum literalists who tend toward a "tell don't show" critical mindset have already bigged it up a bit excessively.

Really enjoying Marcus's 7th January set too. Would love an ID on the compulsive latin-ish track with the cut-up vocals that comes after Mak 10's boring stomper at about the 66 minute mark. It's only marginally less aggressive than the Mak 10 track, but somehow falls just on the right side of sexy.

Tim F, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 16:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

kylas do you mind is getting a lot of attention now its being re-released.... i dont think its happening really but if they get her some more decent songs, she might actually become a bit of a pop star.

p-noid (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 16:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm all about the 21st Jan podcast myself. Really want some more info on the run of tracks around the 53 min mark onwards - some amazing stuff.

Mirror-spangled elephant head (J@cob), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 17:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

do you guys have links for those podcasts? think im about ready to hear another Marcus Nasty show!

In The Morning is getting a lot of love, reckon it could do pretty well if its well handled. Freestyle is very true. The more time goes by the more I feel that Fuzzy Logik has a vibe most of the new uk producers don't and that I wish they did... that ability to walk the line between a melodic and evocative house sound and complete weirdness and ruffness, while being distinctly UK and fresh. things seem quite polarised in the trickle of new stuff im hearing coming from most... exceptions are there but fewer than would be good

Benjamin, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 17:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

or rather, do you guys have links for those podcasts please :)

another one on that vibe i mention, that im just cottoning on to, is Ill Blu

Benjamin, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 17:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

MNs show tonight was really good. that fuzzy logik one thats kinda like funky-gone-80s electro soul was the best of the lot but i liked that kanye cover too and there was another track that had an almost live broken beat drum loop going on that got quite a few rewinds (i love that rankin has maybe only 5 verses).

p-noid (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 21:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

Isn't Ill Blu the guy who produced "Frontline"?

Tim F, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 22:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeh he is, i was enthused from hearing a great remix by him today of Floetry - Say Yes, but in fact checking back on his myspace it seems that he errs more to the grimey side of things than i remembered

Benjamin, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 22:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

what is kyla wearing in this? lol

p-noid (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 23:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

FaZe - Funky Dirt Dub Mix Up Jan09(45Mins)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/5445522992949852/

FaZe - January 09 Funky Mix (45MINS)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/544587485322844e/
http://rapidshare.com/files/184025030/FaZe_-_January_09_Funky_Mix.mp3

FaZe - Deep & Soulful House Session 09 (80MINS)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/53766174fffcf65c/
http://rapidshare.com/files/180235787/FaZe_-_Soulful_House_Session_Volume_One_January_08.mp3

FaZe - December 08 Funky Mix (45MINS)
http://rapidshare.com/files/172507503/FaZe_-_December_08_Funky_Mix.mp3

all mixes contain the tracklists in the lyrics section of the id3 tag

faze01, Thursday, 5 February 2009 01:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

AHHHH roska 'our father', who else has heard this gorgeous airy tranciness!

lex pretend, Thursday, 5 February 2009 02:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

hi guys, I'm interested in this funky house music. could you recommend me some mixes that's perfect to be my gateway? i've downloaded a marcus nasty mix from FACT but the sound quality is unbelievably crap.

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Sunday, 8 February 2009 03:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

is Supa D's Rinse 03 good?

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Sunday, 8 February 2009 04:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

no its not. just go to the rinse fm site and download some recent marcus nasty sets. or scout around and try and find some of the ones from mid last year.

p-noid (titchyschneiderMk2), Sunday, 8 February 2009 11:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm all about the 21st Jan podcast myself. Really want some more info on the run of tracks around the 53 min mark onwards - some amazing stuff.

the one coming in at 55:30ish is Inflation by Crazy Cousinz but i guess you probably know that?

the one getting pulled at about 1hr1min is by Altered Natives, i think its called Brass Out. apparently very soon to drop. broken beat crew coming through very strong!

on which note has anyone checked the new Ear Dis single? Down With Me... its amazing

1hr07 is D Malice, i think Visions

Benjamin, Sunday, 8 February 2009 13:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

i'm shocked to see that rinse fm podcasts are at 64 kbps. no way i'm downloading those.

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Sunday, 8 February 2009 14:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

it kind of makes sense just cause rinse streams at that kbps.

but yeah, annoying when obv. would be totally easy for them to record and up some sets in less shit quality.

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Sunday, 8 February 2009 14:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

they're completely listenable though to be fair. i would be more disappointed to hear pirate radio through pristinely recorded 320kbps to be honest

Benjamin, Sunday, 8 February 2009 15:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

well they have pretensions towards being commercial so it would be fine with me for it to be reflected in the bitrate. I don't think they're completely listenable, put any sort of volume on them and the bass sounds like complete ass.

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Sunday, 8 February 2009 15:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

128-192 is the ideal bitrate for radio shows i think. lower and higher then i'll think twice before downloading.

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Sunday, 8 February 2009 15:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

128-192 is the ideal bitrate for radio shows i think. lower or higher then i'll think twice before downloading.

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Sunday, 8 February 2009 15:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

dan183zig, there's a whole bunch of higher quality shows available from marcus nasty's myspace page.

Tim F, Sunday, 8 February 2009 22:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

"i would be more disappointed to hear pirate radio through pristinely recorded 320kbps to be honest"

yep.

p-noid (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 9 February 2009 09:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

"128-192 is the ideal bitrate for radio shows i think. lower and higher then i'll think twice before downloading"

sorry for my unhelpful posting above! glad Tim F was able to make a more positive contribution :)

there are also a whole load of mixes in better quality in the mixes section here - http://ukfunky.free-forums.org/

Benjamin, Monday, 9 February 2009 09:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

1hr07 is D Malice, i think Visions

Cool, was v curious about that one. I like that middle section of the mix a lot because it feels very UK but without going the obvious route of crap grime vocals/chants or harsh synths as a signifier.

Mirror-spangled elephant head (J@cob), Monday, 9 February 2009 11:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

they're completely listenable though to be fair. i would be more disappointed to hear pirate radio through pristinely recorded 320kbps to be honest

― Benjamin, Sunday, February 8, 2009 9:03 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thats dumb

LOOK WHAT I BRING TO THE TABLA (deej), Monday, 9 February 2009 11:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

"thats dumb"

cool thanks for the feedback

nah in truth i can see where you're coming from however unengaging the response was

and i apologise for saying it to dan138zig, it wasn't really a valuable contribution in the context, and its each to their own so i shouldn't have piped in

but im not really interested in a dull and straightforwardly logical approach to experiencing music. your perspective on that is what it is

Benjamin, Monday, 9 February 2009 15:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

its also a bit unfair for me to say that cos i live in London so its easy for me not to care about the low quality when i can go to a rave whenever i choose

Benjamin, Monday, 9 February 2009 15:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

Did anyone pick up the "Fantastic 4" 12 inch split between Roska, Scratcha/DVA, Ill Blu and D-Malice?

The insane Danny Weed-ish track I was talking about in December is on there but i'm not sure who's responsible for what.

Tim F, Monday, 9 February 2009 22:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

did that come out already? looking forward to picking it up, some great tracks on there. i think the one you mention is Ill Blu. i'm pretty sure the clips on Roska's myspace appear in the order that the producers are listed judging by the production on them

Benjamin, Tuesday, 10 February 2009 10:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

Was supposed to come out in January I think. Yeah all of the tracks sound pretty great from the samples on Roska's site.

Tim F, Tuesday, 10 February 2009 10:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeh too many releases getting pushed back, but Roska seems quite efficient relatively. hopefully it'll be out soon! in other exchange news Lil Silva is selling new mp3s through his myspace at £4 a pop! which is a touch steep i would say

"Cool, was v curious about that one. I like that middle section of the mix a lot because it feels very UK but without going the obvious route of crap grime vocals/chants or harsh synths as a signifier."

― Mirror-spangled elephant head (J@cob)

yeh there is definitely a thread out there of deep dark and hypnotic uk stuff, taking cues i guess from Dennis Ferrer and Objektivity and such, but developing into a distinctly uk sound. i am definitely keen, and even keener when that rolling vibe is combined with some slightly odder or sourer elements / melodies or vocals. that Hard House Banton mix of Turn It Around is a good example, and some of the stuff D Malice is playing / producing. this set although old now has some big tunes in this vein - D-Malice b2b Twista @ Deja Vu FM (26-10-2008)

on another note its interesting how Hard House Banton's stuff is turning really rushy and euphoric, pure 3am bliss material, detroity synth stabs and loopy vocals, deep subby bass. its funny cos all these nights are booking him up apparently expecting and promoting 'grime in disguise' but must be getting quite a different thing out of him. Dubplate Wonder has got so many phenomenal unreleased tunes too, the vibes on his stuff are crazy

Benjamin, Tuesday, 10 February 2009 12:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

Benjamin, where's good for Funky vinyl in London? Am looking forward to picking up a bunch now that I'm here... Is it Uptown? Rhythm Division?

Mirror-spangled elephant head (J@cob), Tuesday, 10 February 2009 12:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

Uptown has the most concentrated funky selection in the centre, and gets some stuff the others don't. but bm-soho is increasingly good on the UK stuff, and has a far far superior house section in general, its always got loads of heavy stuff from all sides of house (plus dubstep, grime, bassline downstairs). they do those funky CDRs too

i've never actually made it to Rhythm Division's physical shop, it being a bit of a mission, but they seem to have a good range in now

Benjamin, Tuesday, 10 February 2009 12:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

RE: Rinse podcast bitrate...

They have been 64kbps, but they're in mono, which means that effectively they are 128kbps. The station broadcasts in mono over the FM dial, as have most pirates over the years, so not much to worry about.

The lastest Marcus Nasty set (Feb) is acually 160kbps and mono, so is 320 quality. The difference is not really worth worrying about tbh.

Ach!, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 03:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

wow, thanks for the info

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 06:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

a lot of music rinse plays actually benefits from that compression sometimes compared to when i hear the proper cds of it (grime esp).

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 11:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

JUMP IN THE MIDDLE & SKANK:

Tim F, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 11:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

SKANK CALM DOWN:

Hook me up with this tune.

Tim F, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 11:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

MORE SKANK CALM DOWN:

Tim F, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 12:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

As a special gift for y'all. Tune of 2009 so far?

http://rs515.rapidshare.com/files/184960926/Pro2Jay-_Skank_Calm_Down.mp3

Tim F, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 12:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

JUMP IN THE MIDDLE & SKANK

This is awesome. I really love these sort of ultra-cheesy and brazen attempts to start dance crazes. In years to come there'll be a thread where we happily reminisce about DIY funky videos featuring people dancing in formation.

Maximo Park Ji-Sung (Matt DC), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 12:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I could stay up all night watching these.

Tim F, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 12:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

ha, kig bandwagonning! have you seen the migraine skank too?

lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 13:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

also, this doesn't have a dance, but roska's 'our father' is just euphoric, and just slightly reminiscent of booka shade: http://www.sendspace.com/file/v1k65v

lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 13:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah it's pretty intense! Thanks heaps for the link though - had only heard that on his site.

I'd seen crappy videos of the migraine skank but that one's great.

Tim F, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 13:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

The beat on the Migraine Skank video is ruff.

It's sounds like a bootleg remix of the Karimza/Gregory track 'Don't Panic'.
Whodunnit?

Ach!, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 23:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

Oh, it actually is the Migraine Skank...

I wonder if there's an instrumental

Ach!, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 23:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeh the beat is in fact DJ Gregory - Don't Panic, just pitched up. such a big track!

such a good name for a dance!

Benjamin, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 23:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

that 'our father' there bears quite the resemblance to the admittedly less evocatively titled 'to be vocalled soon i hope' tune on dj ng's page mentioned way upthread; both in turn remind me of elephant man's 4ever fabulous 'can't stop we now' from 2003, which married that year's sense of triumph with an uncontrollable welling-up of a vague melancholy it knew not, and which has also just given me an unrelated and undesired libertines earworm. bah.

also love 'bounce' on roska's myspace. bit underwhelming in demo form there though, footloose played a better one a while ago i'm sure.

r|t|c, Thursday, 12 February 2009 20:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ha I love "Can't Stop We Now" but i'll have to listen to everything again to see such a link.

Does anyone think "In The Morning" might become a moderate-sized hit? it reminds me of Architechs' "Bodygroove" for some reason.

Anyway I love, it's so irrepressible and fun and feel-good but (unusually for a big vocal anthem) with a really cool beat.

I am sympathetic to jacob's complaint upthread that the scene is a bit bipolar in terms of anthems vs bangers. 2-step managed this issue by having long "hard" instrumental sections in the middle of poppy tracks (most typically this would be on a remix of a more straightahead pop-2-step version) which would turn anthems into bangers. Funky seems still to be beholden to the housier tradition of not actually switching up the groove too much.

That said I adore that vocal track that goes "if you want it gotta take it babe you know you gotta ask for it don't you wanna own it honey..."

Tim F, Friday, 13 February 2009 01:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

Also loving DJ Naughty's electrodribbly fem-vox cover of "Love Lockdown" - A+ for concept and execution.

Tim F, Saturday, 14 February 2009 04:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

^^show me!!

i'm not sure funky is going to spawn any size of hit - 'do you mind' missed the top 40 the other week :(

lex pretend, Saturday, 14 February 2009 10:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

Lex it's on all the recent marcus nasty sets, I don't have any standalone evidence.

Tim F, Saturday, 14 February 2009 17:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

Other tune that's really hype for me right now is the one with the descending piano riff and the sampled vocal going "dat dat, nn dat nn whoo-whoo!" before breaking out into near-absurd broken beat percussion.

Tim F, Monday, 16 February 2009 04:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

can someone re-up or send me "Our Father"?

I would much rather listen to hard bop jazz and stfu (The Reverend), Monday, 16 February 2009 05:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

okay listening to the Jan 15. Marcus Nasty set and the funky beat + "Gypsy Woman" riff + "Back to Life" vocal + Skepta doing that one rap he always does about the gorgeous lady is totally fucking w/ my mind

I would much rather listen to hard bop jazz and stfu (The Reverend), Monday, 16 February 2009 06:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

okay, what is the piano track that comes in at 22 mins?

I would much rather listen to hard bop jazz and stfu (The Reverend), Monday, 16 February 2009 06:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

this set is k-awesome btw

I would much rather listen to hard bop jazz and stfu (The Reverend), Monday, 16 February 2009 06:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah the 15 Jan is a favourite of mine too. I don't know what the piano tune is but how cool are the beats on it?

When you get to it Reverend let me know what you think of the track at 36 minutes.

I'll try to re-up "Our Father" a bit later.

Tim F, Monday, 16 February 2009 06:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

Also the one I'm describing above (see quote below) is at 52 min:

"the one with the descending piano riff and the sampled vocal going "dat dat, nn dat nn whoo-whoo!" before breaking out into near-absurd broken beat percussion."

Actually it's more like "da da, da-daon her-ber!"

Tim F, Monday, 16 February 2009 06:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

Also wouldn't mind knowing what the track at 30 mins is.

I would much rather listen to hard bop jazz and stfu (The Reverend), Monday, 16 February 2009 06:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah that one's everywhere - in my head I'm grouping it under the banner of "LFO revivalism" (see also Roska's "In Your Handbag" and JME's "Blanka").

(though "In Your Headbag" is perhaps more like LFO X Claude Von Stroke X Nick Holder's "Erotic Discourse" - and of course there's a funky refix of "Erotic Discourse" floating around too)

Tim F, Monday, 16 February 2009 06:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

36 mins is okay. I like the vocals in the chorus, but not so much during the verse, beat isn't quite anything special. I've heard several things in this mix I like more.

I would much rather listen to hard bop jazz and stfu (The Reverend), Monday, 16 February 2009 07:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

Liking whatever comes after it.

I would much rather listen to hard bop jazz and stfu (The Reverend), Monday, 16 February 2009 07:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

52 mins is A++++ would dance to this all the time

I would much rather listen to hard bop jazz and stfu (The Reverend), Monday, 16 February 2009 07:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

sorry to be dumm but wheres the link for that mix?

gucci mane gretzky (deej), Monday, 16 February 2009 07:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

The Crazy Cousinz track at 56 mins is dope too

http://rinsefm.blogspot.com/2009/01/marcus-nasty-21st-january.html

I would much rather listen to hard bop jazz and stfu (The Reverend), Monday, 16 February 2009 07:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

Rev, that's "Inflation", AKA my track of the year!

Tim F, Monday, 16 February 2009 07:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

thank u!

I would much rather listen to hard bop jazz and stfu (The Reverend), Monday, 16 February 2009 08:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

ah, I see... it is the b-side of "Funky Anthem" (which is so-so not their best work imo)

I would much rather listen to hard bop jazz and stfu (The Reverend), Monday, 16 February 2009 08:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah "Funky Anthem" is pretty average. If I ever see that 12inch though I'm picking it up for "Inflation".

Tim F, Monday, 16 February 2009 08:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

Some more youtubery on this thread

Mirror-spangled elephant head (J@cob), Monday, 16 February 2009 09:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

lots of these tunes (inc 'inflation' and 'our father') are available to buy from ukfunky.com btw

lex pretend, Monday, 16 February 2009 09:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

outside of the uk?

I would much rather listen to hard bop jazz and stfu (The Reverend), Monday, 16 February 2009 09:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

oh i don't know if it works outside the uk - it's via paypal so i thought it would. will reup tonight if tim hasn't...

btw crazy cousinz rmx of shontelle. omg pianos! http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?yyvo1my0ott

lex pretend, Monday, 16 February 2009 10:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

Tracklist:
N10-Tainment feat Ruth - I Pray (FaZe Special)
Footsteps - Baby Kinta
Princess ft Coldsteps - Frontline Remix
DJ NG - Tell Me (Geeneus Remix)
DBC - Promises
DBC - Promises (Roska Remix)
Lil Silva - Seasons
Fuzzy Logic ft Egypt - In The Morning
Roska - Whats In Your Handbag
KIG - Head Sholders Knees & Toes (Donaeo Remix)
Suges Vs Swift Jay - Tribe
Coldsteps ft Princess - I Will Be There
Dj Gregory - Dont Panic
Marz Music ft Kadisha - Free
Lemar - If She Knew (Crazy Cousinz Mix)
Major Notes ft Steelo (Skream Out)
Restless Soul - Tricks (Faeda Remix)
Delinquent - I Got U (Delio D Cruz Super Funky Mix)
Diamond ft Terri Walker - Love At First Sight
Tribal Audio - Abyss
Tawiah - Everystep (Arms Remix)
Roska - Our Father
M Sadler - Shine For Me
Yotam Avni - Get Together
Doctor - Give It To You (Soultonic Soundsystem Mix)
Fuzzy Logic ft LA - Call Me
Wookie - Finally
The Sunburst Band - Journey To The Sun (Dennis Ferrer Mix)
Teedra Moses - Be Your Girl (Faeda Soulful Mix)
AC Layne ft Charlene Dance - Deja Vu
Dj Sekey - Ride The Database (Chillzone Mix)

Download:

Zip File (Seperate Tracks)
rapidshare: http://rapidshare.com/files/197742403/FaZe_-_Funky_February_09.zip
sendspace: http://www.sendspace.com/file/lqxvdd
zShare: http://www.zshare.net/download/55582475312d0614/

Single File:
zShare Stream: http://www.zshare.net/audio/5557763227d97caf/

faze01, Monday, 16 February 2009 16:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

THANK U THANK U <3 <3 <3

I would much rather listen to hard bop jazz and stfu (The Reverend), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 02:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

Thanks for that FaZe! It's nice to be able to ID the Suges vs Swift Jay track - would never have guessed that Suges were involved (then again I don't know what the original sounds like) but in retrospect it kinda makes sense. I always thought that tune sounded a bit like a Low Deep grime instrumental.

Tim F, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 09:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

From the Marcus Nasty set Jan 15th, what the f&*k is that MAW/Omni Trio-esque tune with the pianos at 22:38secs!!!???

Martinclark, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 14:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

KIG - Head Sholders Knees & Toes (Donaeo Remix)

^ this is teh nuts. (might forgive him farmer yardie at this rate.) also the new lowslung muttered verse is exactly why i keep saying flowdan should switch to funky. even the crap one from tok would do!

r|t|c, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 15:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

Farmer Yardie was great though.

Bernard's Butler (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 17:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

haha check out who joined donaeo on stage for 'african warrior'

gucci mane gretzky (deej), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 21:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

:-O

Also that makes "African Warrior" and "My Philosophy" sound like the same genre.

"^ this is teh nuts. (might forgive him farmer yardie at this rate.) also the new lowslung muttered verse is exactly why i keep saying flowdan should switch to funky. even the crap one from tok would do!"

Yeah I love this, and I like how Donaeo just sucks up pre-exisitng tunes and makes them his own. Flo Dan totally should be a funky MC though - he always sounds best talking shit over fast beats. Stop fucking with The Bug, Dan, and get on this.

Tim F, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 21:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

^^cosine - also that big latinate remix of princess nyah. really feeling the track that opens it too - more xylophones! love its abstract moodiness. and tawiah into 'our father' is such a great transition.

surprised there hasn't been much lil silva talk here yet, 'seasons' and 'funky flex' are both massive...

also ALSO: crazy cousinz and hard house banton are playing wifey on friday and i am definitely reaching...

lex pretend, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 22:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

lex pretend, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 22:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah Lil' Silva is great, I think I talked about "Seasons" is one of my overviews last year. My only complaint is that he's the producer that lots of funky house sceptics check for in order to legitimise their sweeping dismissals of the rest of the genre, presumably because "Seasons" is the archetypal (grime)-funky tune. But this is not his fault and it's an amazing track either way (also approaching "Yellowtail" levels of deserving ubiquity at this stage).

Tim F, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 22:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

From the Marcus Nasty set Jan 15th, what the f&*k is that MAW/Omni Trio-esque tune with the pianos at 22:38secs!!!???

don't know the ID but its a remix of / shares the sample with Hi Times - Journey Into Jazz, which is phenomenal

Benjamin, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 00:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeha wifey sounds sick this week but it clashes with prosumer/maurice fulton at east village. plus every time i go some sort of uk dance ting i attempt to blend in by wearing a new era hat and look like a tool.

straightola, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 10:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

i found an mp3 of that amazing n10-tainment track on the faze mix http://www.zshare.net/audio/547459512b656c83/

lex pretend, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 11:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

re: 'seasons' and grime-funkiness - i see where you're coming from but i think it's so much more obviously melodic, and with more of that steelpanny carnival vibe, than 'yellowtail'. also it feels like it's always on the verge of turning into '4 minutes' (and wow, imagine a funky remix of that beat)

lex pretend, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 16:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah can I stress that it's a fabulous track! My beef is purely contextual (as is the "yellowtail" comparison - but also remember "yellowtail" is a really fun bumping tune - the bass drop!).

Mak 10's "Sequence" - now there's a crappy "hard" effort.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 17:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

don't think i've heard that...

cooly g's "mwah mwah mwah": best producer stamp ever?

lex pretend, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 17:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

nah.

lol laocoon (r|t|c), Wednesday, 18 February 2009 18:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

kode9's new funky stuff

http://www.chemical-records.co.uk/sc/servlet/Info?Track=HYP009

jon b (bass), Wednesday, 18 February 2009 18:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

The reservations I have about "Black Sun" and "Gone 2 Far" are fairly similar to those I have about "Sequence", though they're better tracks: sure the rhythm programming is nice enough and the synth chords are impressively discordant but... it's not very funky is it? The groove doesn't really build at all, on either track, it just sort of assaults you repetitively. Compare/contrast with "Inflation" which doesn't hold itself out as groundbreaking but is all about the build, the sense of excitement of the ratatat snares glancing off the string slashes, the point when the booming bass finally comes in, then the xylophone. Whereas Kode9 seems to like making tracks that hover in stasis, suspended, sort of wavering in glowering confusion. This isn't a bad thing per se but it seems to me to depart from the core value of UK funky's approach to its groove (and its basis in house), which is I think very much about hype-building, trying to work a sense of narrative development into a relatively repetitive groove-framework. People like Roska and Apple do this less so than others (whereas Crazy Couzins, perhaps owing to their songfulness, are at the absolute extreme - all their tracks and remixes have multiple sections, builds, breakdowns etc.; Fuzzy Logic is another producer big into narrative development), but even with them there's more of this than on these Kode9 tracks - plus listening to most Roska or Apple tracks in full you start to realise how DJ/MC toolsy they are, best suited to appearing for 2 minutes in a mix with an MC on top rather than played out in corpulent seven minute glory. Whereas with these Kode9 tracks (and even more so "Sequence") it takes about thirty seconds to start wondering what the point of this continuing is.

Maybe this is why the hip hop parts of Memories of the Future are far and away my favourite Kode 9 productions: Spaceape provides the sense of "build" around which Kode 9 can then do his superlative creepy sound design thing.

Marcus Nasty on his most recent show apologised to Ramadanman for not being able to download his new funky tracks in time to play them. Based on "Blimey" and (the also amazing, headwrecking) "Revenue" I wouldn't be surprised if his funky tracks are strong; I think his approach to groove is already closer to the underlying approach of funky. "Revenue" sounds a bit like Aphrodisiax actually.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 22:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

Kode9 seems to like making tracks that hover in stasis, suspended, sort of wavering in glowering confusion

a very satisfying description! very much so for Black Sun

i don't actually enjoy the tunes that much (as in i would probably be a bit bored on a dancefloor), but i guess that's not really the point for his stuff, and fair play. i'm glad he's drawn from a new set of influences and made a shift in terms of tempo and beats, but retained his individuality, vibe and vision. but you're right, as a result it feels a long long way from the heart of uk funky

interesting in terms of the discussion of his approach to narrative is to contrast his Reminnissin remix. in fact i think to be fair he mixes it up a lot between tracks in that regard... Konfusion, Magnetic City, Stung etc all involve pretty slow burning but intense narrative development (still glowering though!). there is though a sense in which you could almost say they evoke stasis in motion in some sense, an evolving closed circuit, wheras the likes of Fuzzy Logik or Crazy Cousinz evolve in a much more fluid and absolute way

as you point to, one of the things i find amazing about Crazy Cousinz is the amount of progression and build they can get into their vocal tracks without you really even noticing... they can feel like traditionally structured pop songs but in fact they swell and lift and break in pretty epic ways

Benjamin, Thursday, 19 February 2009 11:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

tbh despite the funkyesque rhythm i can't really think of those kode9 tracks as "funky" per se at all, and labelling them as such does both kode9 and UK funky a disservice - they seem to fit quite neatly into what joker, ikonika et al are doing right now though.

lex pretend, Thursday, 19 February 2009 12:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

To be fair, I've heard Kode9 play 'Black Sun' in a straight funky set and it was totally danceable, fitted in fine but obviously sounded a bit alien. The second drop in particular went off.

jon b (bass), Thursday, 19 February 2009 12:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

i like to think that roska's 'in your handbag' is a sly nod to the halcyon days of handbag house

lex pretend, Thursday, 19 February 2009 13:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

I think Lex is OTM here. “Black Sun," for example, is really something like one part dubstep, one part funky, and one part wonky. I am excited at the prospect of Ramadanman doing funky tracks however.

Brian C, Thursday, 19 February 2009 15:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

bit too late to avoid the hail of old dubstep chestnuts coming down, but i think the secret of 'in the morning' is, in its very fine balance, how well it plays off all the sides it concerns. in a funky mix it stands out a mile, like an outside tune the scene's co-opted, but in pop radio terms it retains just enough spare trackyness and circularity, and therefore dance cache, to stand out in that context too; any further into fully-formed songcraft and we'd be talking about one of those retro 80s wonky jobs like alphabeat or something. CHOON.

r|t|c, Thursday, 19 February 2009 15:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

also i think i have come to love the overlooked bit in 'inflation' where it goes full-on gloria estefan most of all.

r|t|c, Thursday, 19 February 2009 15:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

what the melody right at the end? isn't that just them playing their "cray-zee cousinz" stamp" on a xylophone?

lex pretend, Thursday, 19 February 2009 15:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

http://www.chemical-records.co.uk/sc/deck?track=FUNKYANTHEM-c

thanks to the magnificent chemical records web deck thingy i can now say "oh yeah, so it is". but still, it's a good payoff in its own context.

(... seriously, that thing is great!! well done to all @ chemical for authentically replicating the tedious and depressing mental journey you travel on watching a label go round as you sift thru a bunch of new records in a shop.)

incidentally when i looked at the cousinz myspace just now it said they were playing luton on friday. i suppose they could do wifey as well but...

r|t|c, Thursday, 19 February 2009 17:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

haha, look where they're playing next friday. horrific.

r|t|c, Thursday, 19 February 2009 17:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

"bit too late to avoid the hail of old dubstep chestnuts coming down, but i think the secret of 'in the morning' is, in its very fine balance, how well it plays off all the sides it concerns. in a funky mix it stands out a mile, like an outside tune the scene's co-opted, but in pop radio terms it retains just enough spare trackyness and circularity, and therefore dance cache, to stand out in that context too; any further into fully-formed songcraft and we'd be talking about one of those retro 80s wonky jobs like alphabeat or something. CHOON."

Yes. It's pretty amazing. I think this tune is much more pop than "Do You Mind" to be honest, but the beat is so sharp. I was in love from the first "Wooh!"

Re Kode9 - interestingly the tracks that Ben mentioned (the "Reminiscin" remix, "Magnetic City" etc.) are all my favourite Kode9 tracks. He works best when he's got a bit of lightness of touch I think, and goes mysterious rather than out'n'out oppressive dystopian. Otherwise he can come across a bit heavy-handed - a lot of his "big statement" tracks fall into that category (e.g. "Spit", "Ghost Town").

Tim F, Thursday, 19 February 2009 21:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

hey can some1 hook me up w/ a copy of 'inflation'?? is there a good place to buy (cheaply) these mpeg layer 3's?

gucci mane gretzky (deej), Friday, 20 February 2009 01:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

I've only got it in mixes at the moment.

ukfunky.com is selling "Inflation" as an MP3 via paypal. As soon as I get paid again from pitchfork (as that's how they pay me anyways) I plan to lay down some soft cash.

Tim F, Friday, 20 February 2009 01:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeh In The Morning i think is much much more chart-friendly than Do You Mind, the crispness and brightness of production alone give it so much more of a chance. r|t|c on the mark though, it is totally out there in both contexts

Inflation is also available at dubplate.net for one small english pound :)

Benjamin, Friday, 20 February 2009 10:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

swines! ukfunky charges 2. how much more funky stuff is on dublate, just big tunes? 2 for an mp3 is a jack

straightola, Friday, 20 February 2009 11:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeh 2 is a lot but i don't mind cos of how close to the producers ukfunky is

dubplate has got quite a lot of stuff up

Benjamin, Friday, 20 February 2009 11:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

I've heard bad things about buying mp3s from dubplate.net. A mate bought loads of stuff from there, it took days to be delivered to his inbox (someone is actually sitting there zipping up mp3s for each individual order it seems!) and half of the mp3s that eventually turned up were just the short samples that stream on the site - beware!

all my single lobsters put a ring on it (tpp), Friday, 20 February 2009 11:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeh i heard that stuff too, but when i bought some recently it worked like a totally professional download site, the links appeared on the right of the webpage which i could download from directly. don't know if ppl are still having problems but seems worth stating my experiences to balance

Benjamin, Friday, 20 February 2009 12:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

ive still never been able to find 'lift me up' anywhere :( is it @ ukfunky.com? that site is hard to navigate

lol im expecting some international music writing money to hit the paypal soon too, fraid its gonna end up in the same place

gucci mane gretzky (deej), Friday, 20 February 2009 12:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

uk funky is a nightmare to navigate but seems well run,

straightola, Friday, 20 February 2009 12:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

http://www.zshare.net/audio/559245523de1f6a9/

r|t|c, Friday, 20 February 2009 18:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

http://www.zshare.net/audio/55700058d044311c/

so this rmx of 'head shoulders knees and toes' with wale & kardinal offishal is ... official right?? crazy

deej da 5'9 (deej), Saturday, 21 February 2009 01:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

they shoudla got boosie tho

deej da 5'9 (deej), Saturday, 21 February 2009 01:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

cool thanks for the feedback

nah in truth i can see where you're coming from however unengaging the response was

and i apologise for saying it to dan138zig, it wasn't really a valuable contribution in the context, and its each to their own so i shouldn't have piped in

but im not really interested in a dull and straightforwardly logical approach to experiencing music. your perspective on that is what it is

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sorry about how blunt my reply is but i think that the crazy cousinz branding noise is obviously so carefully sound-designed & it sounds so amazing when it comes in on the vinyl ... hearing it in shitty sound qual really misses out on the gigantic club sound it has

& really when hard drive space is so cheap ... its too bad we cant get the shows direct from the station ... but i guess that keeps folks from bootlegging

i really dig the crazy cousinz cover/remix of loveshy & love lockdown was obv meant to be a funky track btw

deej da 5'9 (deej), Saturday, 21 February 2009 01:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

ahhhh crazy cousinz & hard house banton were so so so sick at wifey!! god i love the way funky sets always involve ALL THE HITS. the sticky b2b of 'bad gyal' and 'how very dare you' made me lose it more than any other moment but tonight was just endless good times. and i will not stand to hear any "grime funky" reservations about 'seasons' again b/c that tune is just SO MUCH FUN TO DANCE TO.

also the slightly schizo funky/bassline/funky mix really made me realise how much i prefer funky.

lex pretend, Saturday, 21 February 2009 03:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

oh actually it was dubplate wonder not hard house banton

lex pretend, Saturday, 21 February 2009 04:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

Lex again can I say I have no reservations about "grime funky". I should just stop reading dissensus on this topic though where half the people are like "yeah this funky is all tepid shit except for Lil Silva".

It's a bit like when people used to say all german dance music except villalobos was a waste of time - it's annoying even if you love villalobos.

My favourite other Lil Silva tracks aren't "Funky Flex" but "Different" and especially "Power" which is just insane.

Some other big grimy producers who I can't find out much about at the moment are Madd.One and Funkysteps.

Also Lex you should check out the latest Marcus Nasty set on Rinse, it features Princess MCing live - though briefly, low in the mix, and not terribly well.

Haven't heard the Crazy Cousinz mix of "Loveshy" - want this! Yeah it's weird how the "Love Lockdown" cover sorta sounds like the ultimate version of that song.

Tim F, Saturday, 21 February 2009 04:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

getting real obsessed with this stuff again ... tim u need to do another getphysical roundup!!

& im serious here -- how does 'lift me up' appear to have basically vanished off the radar? ive forgotten what it even sounds like

deej da 5'9 (deej), Sunday, 22 February 2009 00:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

Which tune are you talking about deej? I can't even remember a "lift me up".

Yeah I've been toying with doing another round-up for a while...

Tim F, Sunday, 22 February 2009 00:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

really can't decide what to rave about most so far - maybe seani b 'lift me up', another vintage nasty crew style carnival tank; fuzzy logik 'cuban linq' and funky akatriel 'on & on', more salsa madness; or maybe the malice rmx of quentin harris, which is just fucking jawdropping

― r|t|c, Tuesday, July 29, 2008 7:10 PM (6 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

deej da 5'9 (deej), Sunday, 22 February 2009 00:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

i just remember really being into it at the time & then it just disappeared ... i made a request on some uk site & got no responses

deej da 5'9 (deej), Sunday, 22 February 2009 00:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

i haven't been around here in a while, but i do love me some funky house. big time.

cybele, Sunday, 22 February 2009 05:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

Can't work out if Kode9's remix of Lee scratch Perry on his myspace is more of a 2step or funky tune

http://www.myspace.com/kode9

jon b (bass), Sunday, 22 February 2009 17:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

http://www.zshare.net/audio/560352974db77f5e/

File Name: lift_me_up-_radio_rip_.mp3

r|t|c, Sunday, 22 February 2009 20:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

Deej I'm not sure re "Lift Me Up" - have you tried contacting Seany B? He's got a myspace page but no "lift me up" snippet in his music player.

A lot of the DJs give tunes to particular DJs ages before they enter into general circulation e.g. Footloose was playing Fuzzy Logic's "Polyfunk" in the middle of last year but Marcus Nasty has only played it in the last month or so. So maybe this one has still to fully emerge?

XPOST - Ha my detective work pales into insignificance!

Also LOL Dissensus are currently discussing whether Lil Silva, Cooly G and Kode9 form a holy triumvirate which redeems funky in the form of "dark funky". Y'all think I'm constructing strawmen here... Really don't understand the randomness behind the nerdy lionisation of Cooly G (although she's v. good and v. distinct sounding I'll grant). I have a suspicion that it's because she reminds me people of Cassy a bit (as in German house Cassy, not Cassie fan club).

Tim F, Sunday, 22 February 2009 20:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

doesn't every girl who makes beats get lionised like that to an extent? cassy, ellen allien, ikonika, cooly g...

once they get to a certain level the same people lionising them now will start speculating about how much help they got from their boyfriend.

also: stop reading dissensus!!!

lex pretend, Sunday, 22 February 2009 21:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

i mean, the "strawman" here already exists, and it is called "dissensus posters" - this is just another iteration of it which should really not be affecting us any more

lex pretend, Sunday, 22 February 2009 21:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

btw rtc what was the zshare you linked the other day? the one which shows up in itunes as "track 05" from "feb mix 09"

lex pretend, Sunday, 22 February 2009 21:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

I started reading the dissensus thread and it is kinda fascinating in a sheer not-getting-it way. Is the site entirely composed of Reynolds minions?

I CAN'T TAKE THE RONG!!! (The Reverend), Sunday, 22 February 2009 21:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

i know (at least) 2 dissensus posters IRL and they're A+ dudes - i have no idea what they're like on dissensus because i don't read it - though they pretty much agree with me about the awfulness of reynolds acolytes and indeed reynolds himself, so they can't be that bad

lex pretend, Sunday, 22 February 2009 21:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

I dont think ILXers should be throwing any moral mud at Dissensians when on certain shared topics they're effectively just using the same types of arguments to defend diametrically opposed positions. Personally I find it healthy, it's like reading The Guardian *and* The Times.

Martinclark, Sunday, 22 February 2009 22:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

i know (at least) 2 dissensus posters IRL and they're A+ dudes - i have no idea what they're like on dissensus because i don't read it - though they pretty much agree with me about the awfulness of reynolds acolytes and indeed reynolds himself, so they can't be that bad

― lex pretend, Sunday, 22 February 2009 21:33 (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah exactly you hoe, maybe stop living dissensus b4 you admonish people for merely reading it.

i would also suggest in light of recent events that the proper funky position is to support reynolds in the current shedding of his dead weight stans - glutted crews make clotted theories! like yeah, once he debunks wonky, has a flick thru guattari's chaosmosis, and makes a tweak or two to the still-handy nuum he'll be on the funky train being useful again in no time. gwarn simey.

r|t|c, Sunday, 22 February 2009 22:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

as for the 'lately' track 5 - tee hee i got it off dissensus! it is from the official hardhouse banton/dubplate wonder feb mix, which is quite good but i havent digested it yet fully. apologies for not saying something more about it in depth, i forgot that this was the only thread left on ilx that people didnt still confuse for aol instant messenger dot com innit.

obviously it is not any great sonical advancement in anything, but then as it happens i guess that's the entire point - the tune's enormous charm lies in the sweetly radiant commingling of deep house hubris and uk youth mumblecore courtship, with that kind of wry tentative-but-not "heh look at us all raving to this stuff" of the half sung 'it's not over yet' type house cliches. (it would be even better if it was a bootleg of some big tune actually!) but yeah basically it's a otm zeitgeist banger imo, and i think it might do something.

r|t|c, Sunday, 22 February 2009 22:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

Dissensus is better for uploads of DJ sets than here. And some of the posters get it.

r|t|c the "singer" on that track sounds like Coldsteps, is it?

Tim F, Sunday, 22 February 2009 22:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

Finally found Funkystepz's (with a "z) myspace. Check out the samples! "Funky Sound" I already loved, probably my favourite track at the moment, but "Gamechip" is new to me and is fabulous.

Tim F, Sunday, 22 February 2009 23:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah i thought about that, it's just the way he says "noebody" strikes me as a bit nottingham/midlandsy when i figured coldsteps was a londoner. most likely i am quite wrong however.

could you expand a little more on why ur into 'funky sound'?

r|t|c, Monday, 23 February 2009 02:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ha is this you politely saying "i don't get it, this is just any tune..."

I dunno, I just love the way the parts interact, the bludgeoning beat, the sickly bass drops, the slightly quirky electroid riff, the piano, the slightly traumatised vocal sample "it's my sound... sound..."

It reminds me a lot of DJ Klasse & Richie Boy's "Madness In The Street" (always one of my favourite 2-step tunes) that kind of off-sounding but still sexy and compulsive and just a little bit slick - enough to juice it up and make it flow rather than come on all Lil Silva bang you about the head business (which is great but in a different kind of way).

I mean that kind of radioactive, glowering but still sensual darkness is kind of my ideal utopian music - see also London Dodgers' "Down Down Biznizz" or the Bump & Flex Remix of "Straight From The Heart".

Tim F, Monday, 23 February 2009 06:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

the kode 9 12 is good but overrated (it is more wonky than funky though - cant see marcus nasty playing those tracks - or has he already done it?, tho it would be interesting). theres always something a bit deficient to me about his beats. they lack a certain physicality. hyperdub is still a great label though.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 23 February 2009 12:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

Best tune evah: http://www.theheatwave.net/blog/donaeo-partyhard.mp3

cybele, Monday, 23 February 2009 21:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

im sure this will be taken as a sign of 'person who hates all funky thats girly/housey/happy/hedonistic etc' but i absolutely loathe that KIG song. its up (or down, rather) there with 'funky anthem'. id much rather something like frontline, that new fuzzy logik tune, or katy b's (brilliant) as i got funky some recognition. not this. i dont know which side of funky cheerleading is better - the side that only likes funky when its 'dark' or grimey or the side that praises everything cheesy just cos its 'fun' (well, apparently) so you should dismiss all critical faculties and just enjoy it.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 11:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

(forgot to add that track with the hook 'i dont give a fuck about sheeee' to the list of tunes id like to be massive)

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 11:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

"the side that praises everything cheesy just cos its 'fun'"

who does this though.

The "I Don't Give A Fuck About She" tune is good I agree!

Tim F, Tuesday, 24 February 2009 12:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

sorry about how blunt my reply is but i think that the crazy cousinz branding noise is obviously so carefully sound-designed & it sounds so amazing when it comes in on the vinyl ... hearing it in shitty sound qual really misses out on the gigantic club sound it has

― deej da 5'9 (deej), Saturday, 21 February 2009 01:48 (6 days ago)

no not at all, its all good :) yeh i can see what you're saying, but i guess my issue is that often this kind of music in hi-def download / cd format can sound pretty sterilised and well sterile! a number of funky tunes i've been very disappointed to hear hi-quality in comparison to the way they sound overdriven through a pirate's compressor on low bitrate. the way it mashes the sound together and creates bulges and bumps can bring so much life out of it, wheras in reality a lot of the production can be quite flat and dull, which is cool on a system with a vibe on the dancefloor, but on a cd or hi-def download it can be quite underwhelming

that branding noise is one of the best things ever though, along with their 'cray-zey cousinz' insignia. undeniable and phenomenal, such addictive and wonderful ways to say to a dancefloor / listener - YEP this is US... speaking of which their remix of KIG is massive (introduced by squealing electro synth riff of said 'cray-zey cousinz' motif!), totally underrated it first listen, but heard it drop in a set and it came to life in a big way, the bassline is truly bubbly. discombobulated was actually the word that came to mind as a slightly onomatopoeic way of putting it

donaeo mix is awesome also, as said above, totally makes it his own. i love all three mixes, hope they all go on the release

Benjamin, Friday, 27 February 2009 10:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

or rather discombobulating

lol how did it come to this

Benjamin, Friday, 27 February 2009 10:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

i am firmly on deej's wrt bitrate

this kind of music in hi-def download / cd format can sound pretty sterilised and well sterile!

^^this makes absolutely no sense to me. shitty bitrate or radio rips don't make it mor eexciting, they just mean you can't hear half of what's going on.

lex pretend, Friday, 27 February 2009 11:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

*deej's side
*more exciting

lex pretend, Friday, 27 February 2009 11:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

its purely a subjective thing, i'm not trying to say that anyone else should feel the same. i'm also mixing two issues into one which is a mistake - one being the sound getting pushed through a compressor or battered in some other way pre-broadcast, and second mp3 compression. so probably thinking about it properly higher bitrate wouldn't make much difference to what i'm saying. but it remains that i've enjoyed many tunes far more in radio rips than when i've heard them on studio-recorded mix CDs. i'd also very much disagree with the idea that its purely a subtraction of sound or detail, as well as that its a change in sound

Benjamin, Friday, 27 February 2009 12:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

this is something that makes a lot of sense living in london and listeing on FM, the tunes are all pumped till they distort, that adds the extra 'oomp' that makes this music sound like its spinning out of control sometimes. The majority of this stuff will never see a proper mastering job or vinyl so the compression/distortion. This is something i found out myself when i tried to make the jump from livesets at smaller venues to big rigs. Without the disortion adding to the dynamics of my tunes they sounded wimpy as hell, pretty much had to back to the drawing board and figure how to make everything work frq wise. Ive heard that kode9 is playing a lot of cdrs out and distorting the systems deliberately and given his theory background id say this was the adding of a pretty deliberate signifier.

straightola, Friday, 27 February 2009 12:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

agree with benjamin and straightola. interesting if thats true about kode 9. along the same lines, im still convinced 679 compressed the songs on run the road 1 and made it sound a bit dirtier than the original tracks.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 27 February 2009 13:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

i dont think u guys 'get' compression -- the problem is it flattens the sound, it doesnt add dynamics ... thats just eqing which is a totally diff thing

deej da 5'9 (deej), Friday, 27 February 2009 13:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

when im talking about radio compression i mean that the lower frequencies are getting cut off and distorted, then added to a fuzzy pirate signal gives the same boost youd get out of overdriven guitar

straightola, Friday, 27 February 2009 14:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

"Ive heard that kode9 is playing a lot of cdrs out and distorting the systems deliberately and given his theory background id say this was the adding of a pretty deliberate signifier."

Before you start spinning this into a theory, I just have to say that this is a bizarre rumour. I've never done that deliberately, and certainly haven't told anyone I do that. Who are you wastola?

kode9, Friday, 27 February 2009 14:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

i dont think u guys 'get' compression -- the problem is it flattens the sound, it doesnt add dynamics ... thats just eqing which is a totally diff thing

i'm not saying that dynamics are being added, rather being altered. if you put a tune through a compressor at high input with a low threshold and high ratio, it creates bulges where the tunes quiet and dips where its loud right? which totally changes the groove and sense of space in a track. add to that the effect of a dj in the mix. that unpredictability of space i think is what makes it exciting to me, wheras the relatively straight and flat production on a lot of funky tunes i can find quite boring when presented cleanly (outside of the vibe of a club or social space). i'm open to correction on technicals though i can't say my understanding is particularly expert

what do you mean about eq? cos i have also noticed on some pirate stations a pretty unique sense of eq, but have always put that down to the compression

Benjamin, Friday, 27 February 2009 14:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

yah im actually a fan of distortion when it has some function -- i think it can add atmosphere etc, its kinda like a twist on bass drops & basic house DJ eqing in the theo parrish etc sense -- i think my objection is more the notion that its got a more 'real' sound or more interesting sound w/out it i mean i get the idea that it being in a mix, & sounding sloppy & 'live' is a huge part of the appeal but im really very glad that the bass still hits like its supposed when this shit is properly release (all the crazy cousinz shit ive heard sounds actually pretty amazing in its 'studio version') -- imo basically its the DJ's job to fuck with the compression of the tracks, not the producers.

deej da 5'9 (deej), Friday, 27 February 2009 14:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

Before you start spinning this into a theory, I just have to say that this is a bizarre rumour. I've never done that deliberately, and certainly haven't told anyone I do that. Who are you wastola?

― kode9, Friday, 27 February 2009 14:13 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no hating meant mate. I think is was mentioned on dissensus a while back after beyond or FWD, apologies if its rubbish or ive got my wires crossed i dont mean to be shit stirring. Love your new stuff.

straightola, Friday, 27 February 2009 16:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

Speaking of DJs, I'd love to see more chat about them on this thread, which always seems very producer-focused. I have to say that sequencing-wise the only two guys that bring anything particularly special to this seem to be Marcus Nasty (obviously), Spyro and Perempay... I still love that mix Perempay did for Rinse halfway through last year when he keeps bringing 'In the air' back again and again and builds this really smooth hypnotic feel with the tracks, which is so radically different to the 'slam in the hits' approach that it really struck me. I think that because funky is at that (wonderful) stage in its evolution when all sorts of different iterations on the basic template can co-exist in one set, that's when you'd expect some amazing new styles of set construction to appear. Maybe I've just not been to enough clubs. Dunno, anyone want to shout out any particular DJs styles?

Mirror-spangled elephant head (J@cob), Friday, 27 February 2009 17:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

Okay track ID time. On Lil Silva and Marcus's set from 20.02.09, what are:

- the amazing dancehallish tune at the 45:21 mark, with the huge synth riffs and the sampled "buss it!". The way the beat switches up at 45:50 is just insane.
- the cataclysmic synth stab tune from about 82 minutes - it's like Quentin Harris gone grime. Marcus's announcements imply that it's "Sunshine" by Target???

Tim F, Sunday, 1 March 2009 14:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ah god I I can't believe I didn't know the first track was Perempay & Dee's (heh) "Buss It"... So good!

Tim F, Sunday, 1 March 2009 14:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

I don't really keep up to date as much as everyone else on this thread but that remix of Head Shoulder Knees And Toes with Doneao on it is INCREDIBLE. Ditto Party Hard, even if his signature is getting a bit Harry Belafonte.

I really like In The Morning as well - it seems to be the closest funky might get to its own Fill Me In (ie big breakthrough hit), which I never really thought about Do You Mind.

Roque Santa Gold (Matt DC), Sunday, 1 March 2009 22:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

(Btw it is awesome to see Cybele back here as well)

Roque Santa Gold (Matt DC), Sunday, 1 March 2009 22:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

Turns out "Sunshine" is by Lil Silva himself, go figure.

Cosign Matt's last two posts, including a big welcome to Cybele.

Tim F, Monday, 2 March 2009 06:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

Sorry for getting all ysi? up in here, but can someone please post "In Your Handbag"?

ilx has drained my soul (The Reverend), Friday, 6 March 2009 04:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

ok, so, beyond last night was SO SO SO SO SO GOOD. loads better than the last one, though earlier on i was still irritated by the preponderance of hooded boys facing the dj and skulking without dancing - it must be so depressing to be faced with that as the dj. miriam and i held it down as best we could, though, and a group of girls in party mode arrived at some point too, so it did get going later.

but anyway, the music! it was a lot housier than i expected - MA1's set was unbelievably detroity. in places, it could almost have been a carl craig-esque techno set, except w/that galloping broken beat instead of steady 4/4. recognised a lot of deeper cuts like jalla's 'turbulence', roska's 'our father'. it was stellar. surprisingly few vox, even in the marcus nasty and geeneus sets, but the occasional superb anthem obv - 'seasons' and 'frontline' were the night's biggest winners, though i can report that 'in the morning' sounds EVEN BETTER in a club.

- only just realised that it's jalla as in jalapeno, duhhh
- the lyrics of 'frontline' are kind of fucked up, it's all about a girl looking after her dealer bf's coke stash...and the line "i'm in love with this boy and he calls me snow white" is obv a coke ref, but for ages i assumed princess nyah was white because of it. (she's not.)

lex pretend, Friday, 6 March 2009 09:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

(by "the last one" i mean the first one, the last beyond i went to - have missed all the intervening ones)

lex pretend, Friday, 6 March 2009 09:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeh man the frontline lyric is pretty interesting... her role is also metaphor for her emotional exposure in the relationship i think ('my heart's open so wide...'). definitely some compulsive but quite upsetting tensions of willing / resistant, exploited and knowing it / proud and wearing it

glad Beyond was good. i was not at all sold on plastic people as the place, as a venue it really draws out that eyes on the dj vibe. it would really benefit from some more lighting at the back for certain nights i think. system is so good though

Benjamin, Friday, 6 March 2009 10:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

i didnt go beyond :(

you should hear princess's other song about needing 'big boys'.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 6 March 2009 10:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah, her defiant/no-nonsense tone makes her sound so determined to make herself vulnerable in all sorts of ways.

<3 the plastic people system - after listening to so many mp3s and sets on shoddy bitrate, it was so brilliant to feel the bass. agree about PP the venue, but it was better than the weird west end place beyond started life at...

xp show me titchy!

lex pretend, Friday, 6 March 2009 10:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

i dont have a link.

im pissed off i didnt go beyond now. you should stop talking ;)

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 6 March 2009 10:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

come to night slugs next thu then. crazy cousinz!

lex pretend, Friday, 6 March 2009 10:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

Biggest songs on (my) road:

Funkystepz - Funky Sound
Crazy Cousinz - Always Be Mine
Footsteps - Some tune whose name I can't remember
Tribal Audio + NST - Hard Steppin'
KIG - Head Shoulders Knees & Toes (Donaeo Remix)
Fuzzy Logic - In The Morning
Perempay & Dee - Buss It

Tim F, Friday, 6 March 2009 11:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

Am I the only one who prefers the original KIG to the Donaeo mix? :-/

Terius (The Reverend), Friday, 6 March 2009 17:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

I like Donaeo, but he kinda sucks out a lot of the effortless, goofy fun.

Terius (The Reverend), Friday, 6 March 2009 17:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

well the original is so ubiquitous now that the remix pretty much functions as its own track, it's not really so much a case of one commenting on the other.

moreover rev you gravely underestimate the veyr-much-effort-filled fun of hollering along to doneao's operatic mavadoisms. (crossed with i dunno, john legend or whatever.)

ed, gar, allan, & poe (r|t|c), Friday, 6 March 2009 18:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

also yall heard his migraine skank jump-off as well rite. v good.

ed, gar, allan, & poe (r|t|c), Friday, 6 March 2009 18:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

"fire & brimstone/make the bed rock gyal like flintstone" is like the defn of goofy fun

lex pretend, Friday, 6 March 2009 18:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

well the original is so ubiquitous now that the remix pretty much functions as its own track, it's not really so much a case of one commenting on the other.

moreover rev you gravely underestimate the veyr-much-effort-filled fun of hollering along to doneao's operatic mavadoisms. (crossed with i dunno, john legend or whatever.)

― ed, gar, allan, & poe (r|t|c), Friday, March 6, 2009 10:16 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

a) I live in the US, and I would guess that there are no more than a few hundred people in the entire country who follow funky at all. Ubiquitous isn't even an issue.

b) I like that aspect of Donaeo, and think that's what sets him apart as a vocalist. I just don't think it works for that particular track.

The Reverend (rev), Friday, 6 March 2009 19:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah the original KIG track was a big track for me several months ago Rev. I really like the Kardinal Offishall rap version deej posted - though the Wale rap not so much.

Tim F, Friday, 6 March 2009 22:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

wale sounds like fake kanye & really awkward over something that fast

51 SBs on my dresser, yessir (deej), Friday, 6 March 2009 22:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

wale sounds awkward over anything of any speed

Terius (The Reverend), Saturday, 7 March 2009 07:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

Am I the only one who prefers the original KIG to the Donaeo mix?

The Crazy Cousins one is good as well. Slinky!

Hreidarsson The Storm (Matt DC), Saturday, 7 March 2009 14:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

Lex, do you have any idea what the tune Marcus played immediately before frontline was? The jumpy electro basaline thing?

Mirror-spangled elephant head (J@cob), Saturday, 7 March 2009 23:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

The Crazy Cousins one is good as well. Slinky!

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― Hreidarsson The Storm (Matt DC), Saturday, March 7, 2009 6:56 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ooh, haven't heard this

Terius (The Reverend), Saturday, 7 March 2009 23:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

Anyone got any recommendations for the ravier side of funky? I'm thinking in particular of stuff like Jalla's Turbulence, which is like 50% Township Funk and 50% the Trentemoller remix of What Else Is There. Although not as bombastic as that sounds.

Hreidarsson The Storm (Matt DC), Sunday, 8 March 2009 19:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

Matt, follow my link!

Though I've not heard "Turbulence" as far as I'm aware.

Tim F, Sunday, 8 March 2009 21:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

funky house + township funk = kwaito???

Terius (The Reverend), Sunday, 8 March 2009 21:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

yooooo "head, shoulders, knees n toes" is O_O

other thoughts after one quick run thru of lex's 09 funky zip:

- i continue to enjoy crazy cousinz remixes far more than their own trax
- dunno if the farty horn noise is a new thing recently or not, but i support reggaeton in my funky house
- "party hard" is also great, reminds my n00b ass of those sweet sean paul duets that i love so dearly
- i still think that the faeda rmx of teedra moses is still my fav funky joint of the year tho

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 00:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

i like that the dude who says "i make the bed rock/ yeah like flintstones" actually sounds like a caveman

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 00:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

lex, did you send out a new zip? (and if so, why did I not recieve it?) (I should put together a zip of goodies myself, that seems to be the charitable thing to do nowadays)

Juan (The Reverend), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 01:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

Why hasn't "funky house sceptics, let me draw your attention to this" become a "y'all ready for this" yet?

bacon = bad for the face + magic for the moobs (Mackro Mackro), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 01:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

lex zip ysi

Bernard's Butter (sic), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 02:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

lol whoops

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 02:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

haha u spilled der beans

Juan (The Reverend), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 02:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

jacob, sorry, no idea what that track was...

rev check your hotmail

lex pretend, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 10:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

My bad, I did get your first email with it. I think I just opened it at school or something when I couldn't download and forgot about it by the time I got home.

The-Reverend (rev), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 19:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

(side question: sic = alex in mtl?)

The-Reverend (rev), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 19:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

kit in mngrl

Bernard's Butter (sic), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 23:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

What do you lot think of this Grievous Angel penned mix of mixes? Not a bad starter pack for the uninitiated I reckon (myself included).

here

sam500, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 09:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

A decent overview of the more raucous end of the scene - DJ Larizzle's "Strickly Funky 8: The Skanking Season":

http://www.4shared.com/file/89285792/67620a0b/DJ_Larizzle-_Strickly_Funky__8_-_The_Skanking_Season.html

Tracklist:
Sabrina Washington ft. Donaeo - Get Out
Fr3e - Skank, Calm Down
K.I.G ft. Donaeo - Head, Shoulder, Knees and Toes Remix
Crazy Cousinz - Inflation
Boy Better Know - Too Many Man
QT - Free To Move
Meleka - Go (Crazy Cousinz Mix)
Apple - Rotten Apple
Tribal Mangz - Tribal Man Skanks (DJ Larizzle Special)
Fuzzy Logic ft. Egypt - In The Morning
Coldsteps ft. Princess - I Will Be There
Roska - In Your Handbag
Donaeo - Party Hard (Anthem Tribal Remix)
Zest - Jump In The Middle And Skank
L.A. - Call Me
Gracious K - Migraine Skank
Donaeo - Love To Happen
Roska - Do You Believe In Love
The Origional Charmer - Arrd Core Skanker (DJ Larizzle Special)
Apple ft. Mr Kaos - Wriggle It
Roska - Climate Change
Fuzzy Logic - The Way You Move
Whytepatch ft. Gift & Miss Teejah - Fresh Air
Terri Walker - Love At First Sight
Cahill - Sex Shooter (Crazy Cousinz Mix)
Mischief - Red Bull Skank (DJ Larizzle Special)
Major Notes - Junglebook

Tim F, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 12:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

Sabrina Washington ft. Donaeo - Get Out

is this...is that...is that who i think it is!!

lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 12:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

Some great stuff I haven't heard before here:

- "The Way You Move" is an awesome piano number a la "Quicktime", "Gallium", "Visions", "Hypnotic"
- the "Anthem Tribal Remix" of "Party Hard" removes "We Belong To The Night" and turns the track into weird darkside gamelan, while "Love To Happen" is a pretty amazing tune that speeds up DJ Gregory's "Don't Panic" exactly like "Migraine Skank" only adds all sorts of amazing little details and effects and motifs.
- "Fresh Air" is amazing widescreen ragga-cum-R&B a la "Girls Like This".
- The rhythmically distended "Red Bull Skank", full of these Skream-like showy stiff snare hits, is probably the kind of sound the scene will plump for if it decisively moves away from house. Reminds of "Midnite Request Line" etc. but in a good way.

x-post - yeah it's Sabrina from Mis-Teeq! Unsurprisingly she sounds a bit shriller than usual here (may just be pitched up). Though actually a lot of their second album tracks were kinda shrill - i'm thinking of "Best Friend". I'm wondering if she's the one doing the patois ad libs here ("blood clart!").

Tim F, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 12:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

she needs to do something decent after the crap they were going to release for her solo album.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 13:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

crazy cousinz were pretty great at night slugs last night. was pretty exhausted half an hour before they came on and wondering how i could get through their set but god the energy they brought was spectacular, even if the crowd had thinned by that point. had never heard their jazmine sullivan remix out before, hands in the air.

bokbok played some joker and other 'wonky' earlier too, didn't see any ket heads though.

lex pretend, Friday, 13 March 2009 10:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

Lex can you get them to not put this on a fvcking school night next time please?

Hreidarsson The Storm (Matt DC), Friday, 13 March 2009 11:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

FaZe - Deep & Funky March Edition 09

Tracklist:

Sacha - Boomerangs (Funky Mix)
Dj Naughty - Firepower
Rudenko - Everybody (Fingaprint Mix)
Kcat - Get Off The Wall (Delio D Cruz Remix)
Fuzzy Logic - The Way You Move
Sia - Little Man (DJ Q Funky Mix)
Invasion Crew - Takeover V.I.P
Kyla - Daydreaming (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
Steve Angello ft Robin S - Show Me Love 2009 (Geeneus Remix)
N.B Funky - Riddem Box
Sabrina Washington - Get Out
Donaeo - Love To Happen
Tina Moore - Never Gonna Let You Go (Code Red Remix)
Ill Blu - Rider
Vman - Sweet Blue
Jalla - Turbulence
P2J ft Shaniqua - Dance With Me (Crazy Cousinz Mix)
Lil Silva - Burning
Dj NG - Show Me Happiness
Fuzzy Logic - Polyfunk
Natalie Walker - Up On You (Sexy Sexy)
Darkus Beat Company - Find The Path
Sweet Boy Candy - Shake What Youve Got
Soul Gypsy - Black Russian
Cahill - Sex Shooter (Crazy Cousinz Mix)
Dj Fonti & Marc Garvey - Horny
Terry Hunter ft Terisa Griffin - Wonderful
Martino ft Sacha - Peace of Heaven (Geeneus Remix)
Mighty Moe - I Believe

Single Tracks (ZIP)
rapidshare: http://rapidshare.com/files/208604394/FAZE-DEEP_FUNKY_MARCH_EDITION.zip
sendspace : http://www.sendspace.com/file/qf8e96
zShare: http://www.zshare.net/download/5697593306a2de07/

Single MP3 (Stream + Download)
zShare: http://www.zshare.net/audio/569580642de46bdd/

faze01, Friday, 13 March 2009 13:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

!

lex pretend, Friday, 13 March 2009 15:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

(btw thanks for that mix, looks excellent)

lex pretend, Friday, 13 March 2009 15:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

faze you fuckin hero

The-Reverend (rev), Friday, 13 March 2009 21:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

Funkystepz's "Trinity Hill" (massive piano number) and "Dancing Scene" (insane 2-steppy xylophone workout) are massive. Love these guys - they seem to master any style they put their hand to. Not sure about their "Just Dance" remix though...

Tim F, Saturday, 14 March 2009 08:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

Finally reading this thread this week was a smart idea.

mr. anephric (the anephric project), Saturday, 14 March 2009 18:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

Kyla's Daydreaming is astonishing - a big jump up from Do You Mind.

Hreidarsson The Storm (Matt DC), Saturday, 14 March 2009 19:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

Wanna hear that. Matt did you ever check the 26 Nov 2008 Marcus Nasty set? With all the DJs? That's probably the most concentrated ravey funky set I can think of.

Jammer's funky track and Lil Silva's "Burning" are probably the most ravey single tracks I can think of outside of "Turbulence".

Tim F, Sunday, 15 March 2009 05:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

Fact article here on Kode 9 and why dubstep fans are getting into funky.

Tim F, Sunday, 15 March 2009 06:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

Tim - I'm actually downloading it now. Kind of amazed the Sendspace link still works.

I think my somewhat belated love affair with funky stems from the fact that it only takes one rhythmic tweak to work virtually the entire history of dance music* under one umbrella. Pretty sure the producers know this and are having an enormous amount of fun with the myriad possibilities this throws up - how far are we off the appearance of funky trance I wonder? Our Father is most of the way there already.

*Okay maybe not jungle. Lol continuum.

Two hands in the air, that's the Lampard Skank (Matt DC), Sunday, 15 March 2009 17:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

Tranciest (good) funky tune I know is the Arms remix of Tawiah's "Every Step", which steals the trancey riff idea from "Mandarine Girl"/"In White Rooms"/Madonna's "Get Together".

Your general comment though is perhaps the strongest reason for my own enjoyment - that all-embracing ecumenical vibe whereby tricks that would sound tired in their original setting suddenly take on a new life (the unlikely fun-factor of Geeneus's remix of "Show Me Love" is a good example here, although to be honest I always love "Show Me Love" in any setting).

I think there are a lot of tracks, particularly at the "tribal" end, that sound pretty junglistic though. Still don't know the name of the archetypal tribal track that Marcus always plays, the one that sounds like some sort of harvester machine wielding bongos.

Tim F, Sunday, 15 March 2009 21:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

The Show Me Love remix was the exact track that made me think that, incidentally, mostly because it appeared in that Faze mix immediately after hands-in-the-air piano house (The Way You Move), no-nonsense minimalist hard house (Takover) and Daydreaming, which is only one step away from being a Body Language bootleg. Funky to me feels most interestly 'read' as a recontextualisation of the past 20 years of house music with a more limber beat that makes it more boozy than druggy - like a reimagining of the way dance music might have progressed if ecstacy had never existed. This might be incredibly wanky but at the same time it might explain why some of the hardcore continuumheads seem to have a problem with this stuff.

That Tawiah track also crossed my mind when I was talking about 'funky trance', I'm not sure it quite fits the sound I'm thinking of though because Arms's own production style is quite chunky and jerky and beat-em-up even when he's being girly.

Two hands in the air, that's the Lampard Skank (Matt DC), Sunday, 15 March 2009 23:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

"more boozy than druggy": maybe part of why I like it a lot?

Jordi La Sarge (The Reverend), Sunday, 15 March 2009 23:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

the funky/champagne connection is as strong as any music/drug relationship there's ever been. bubbly bubbly, so damn bubbly

lex pretend, Sunday, 15 March 2009 23:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

champagne seemed to be "drug" of choice for UKG during that speed->2 step transitional period '97'98 too

Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Sunday, 15 March 2009 23:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

It's funny, because I've been thinking the exact opposite about the this music, that it brings overtly druggy elements back into the continuum. Certainly a lot of the afterparties I was going to two of three years ago were highly drug fuelled, and the audiences and music being played were directly related to the more 'concrete' scene that exists know.

Ach!, Monday, 16 March 2009 22:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

i was THEEERRE

Jordi La Sarge (The Reverend), Monday, 16 March 2009 22:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

Simply an observation of drug use, still relevant. I give up here now.

Ach!, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 02:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

naw, that was a good post and I envy your partying

Jordi La Sarge (The Reverend), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 02:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

tracks like tell me have always seemed a bit druggy to me.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 10:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

Fact article here on Kode 9 and why dubstep fans are getting into funky.

― Tim F, Sunday, 15 March 2009 06:15 (2 days ago) Bookmark:

"the seed for funky isn't New York garage, but more dubiously, US house's placeless, post-authentic progeny."

"To less-than-obsessed ears, overlap with common-or-garden varieties generally inspires indifference."

or y'know, house heads

ah man

i think there is too great a range of feeling in funky for one drug connection to explain or define the vibes

Benjamin, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 15:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

Basically I posted that link to demonstrate that my strawmanning isn't purely based on my own paranoia - or, perhaps rather: I may be paranoid but I'm still right. Kode9 comes across rather well in the article; it's the legitimacy-handwringing of the article itself that irritates (some other parts of the article were rather well-written though so it's not all calamity).

Funny how the standard line now is that New York garage was worthy while "US house's placeless, post-authentic progeny" is not.

Because, y'know, 12 years ago people would have been making the same complaints w/r/t New York garage.

I guess, as so often happens, "worth" in this context really means "it has been redeemed by subsequent developments".

This is the same curious logic by which the only truly bad taste music is that which is no longer popular but hasn't yet been revived.

Anyway surely one of the more fun/interesting things about UK funky is the way in which it takes all of these tricks and techniques that have long since entered the international commercial house music Public Domain and reparticularises them (stylistically/geographically/thematically).

Which, I think, is pretty much the same aesthetic impulse that has motivated much of the best contemporary dancehall.

Generally, the problem with authenticity-discourse is not that it's wrong (this stuff is too complex for such stuff to be "right" or "wrong") but that it sclerotizes thinking: it's one thing to say "let's look for some kind of kernal of authenticity in this music", but quite another to blithely assume that authentic music is that which speaks to, from and about other authentic music - and yet you see people slide inexorably from the first position to the second.

So authenticity becomes about pedigree and blood lineage.

Tim F, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 22:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeh i found the whole tone very conservative, and it was clearly written by someone who hasn't really engaged with and doesn't really feel house.

i find writing that "justifies" contemporary music with reference to its historical links or precedents, or valorises the 'redemptive instinct' you identify very boring and suffocating. sadly it seems to dominate a lot of writing about electronic and dance music nowadays (and probably more broadly too)

its true, 'authenticity-discourse' closes peoples' minds and encourages lazy superiority. but do you think there is value in engaging with the idea of authenticity at all? what would the first type of position or process that you mention actually entail? as time has gone by i have found less and less convincing argument to suggest that any such a position is feasible

Benjamin, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 11:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

"but do you think there is value in engaging with the idea of authenticity at all?"

Well, in truth either very little, or where there is value it's because the search has been reimagined (or the goal redefined) to such a degree that "authenticity" doesn't really fit as a descriptor anymore.

With regard to funky I would put it this way: I think there is value in approaching this scene as a found phenomenon that we accept from the outset is real, has rules and conventions and particular messages or value to impart. Stated so boldly, this is something of a creative fiction, but it's a creative fiction that we indulge in so as to be able to think more clearly or incisively or expansively about the music.

An example: Suges's "We Belong To The Night" is more of a UK funky house tune than Kode9's "Black Sun", even though Suges is Canadian and the track first appeared several years ago. What makes this so? Talking in terms of "more" or "less" at least implies that there is or are some essential truth or truths w/r/t the meaning and identity of funky that tracks can then be measured against. But the fact that "Black Sun" is "less" funky than "We Belong To The Night" does not make "Black Sun" a failure - what we're talking about is simply a quality of the relation of the three terms (Suges/Kode9/funky).

In this sense perhaps authenticity can be defined as a matter of integrity rather than pedigree: what principles or understandings does a given piece of music keep faith with, and how does it do this? The difference being that pedigree is with respect to something fixed and external - royalty are royalty whether you have royal blood or not. Whereas integrity is an internal quality that cannot be abstracted away from the particular piece of music expressing it - after all there is nothing to tell us which ideas or notions must be the focus of integrity in the absence of the experience of that act of fidelity. Indeed in the case of an evolving-in-real-time genre like funky, the relationship is entirely circular: we hear tracks that adjust our notions of what funky "is", which correspondingly transforms our sense of the relationship of that track and other tracks to funky.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 12:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

interesting. i'm struggling a little to unpack the last paragraph but i think i get what you're saying. definitely agree about redefining the terms, i don't feel that 'authentic' etc is any longer a useful or productive one, because it feels (to me) so loaded

integrity is an internal quality that cannot be abstracted away from the particular piece of music expressing it... there is nothing to tell us which ideas or notions must be the focus of integrity in the absence of the experience of that act of fidelity

by 'act of fidelity' do you mean a producer's act fidelity to an 'authentic' lineage? essentially do you mean that integrity is a better term because it does not carry assumptions about what is 'integral' to a genre?

when the discourse is moved into the realm of trying to understand why or how music is defined, and establish ways of recognising and understanding what we mean by 'funky', its a totally different exercise. i think this is also different to trying to understand why or how funky means or feels anything to anyone, which i think is probably the most interesting discussion to be had in the journalistic / academic realm, although it probably also has a fairly high kill-joy potential!

i guess the fundamental problem i have with authenticity as a concept (and it may not feel the same to many people) is that as a term it feels so bound up in and loaded with a (lazy) discourse that is about value, in a purportedly objective sense. i think there is still a broadly held assumption that one's subjective sense or understanding of authenticity translates to a universally applicable norm, necessarily conferring value. that assumption irritates me quite a lot, although it shouldn't!

Benjamin, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

random q - who has the best radio shows in funky apart from marcus nasty? mak 10?

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

I find Crazy Cousinz on radio unlistenable - horrible mixing plus too many rewinds and a slightly hysterical appeal for missed calls add up to a totally dud experience...

DJ NG not bad, but Footloose is probably the best after Marcus for me - good percentage of new stuff in all his shows but not nearly as energetic as a marcus set. Honourable mention to Perempay.

Mirror-spangled elephant head (J@cob), Thursday, 19 March 2009 05:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

The real problem with Crazy Cousinz shows is the way they constantly switch off the music to make their shout-outs etc, it's very jarring.

Tim F, Thursday, 19 March 2009 07:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ben I'll be responding to your last post soon - stuff to think about!

Tim F, Thursday, 19 March 2009 07:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

cool Tim, no rush! its something i'm interested in talking about cos i think my thinking on the matter is still quite muddled, so its always good to explore

i really like Mak 10's shows, esp in the bits where he plays it a bit housier / vocal, i've found the tuffer bits he's playing of late a bit tiring though. Footloose is always great. i've not checked CC for a while but i do actually usually enjoy their shows quite a lot, so much energy. i really like Dubplate Banton/HHBanton, and the one Twista show i have is wicked. need to check more of the Rinse lot more regularly i think, MA1 and such

Benjamin, Thursday, 19 March 2009 22:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

interview with Tippa from Circle...

http://futurenextlevel.blogspot.com/2009/03/dubbage-interview-with-tippa-from.html

explains the dubbage things I was asking about upthread

Benjamin, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 10:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

that geeneus show you linked to is pretty good actually. gets interesting about half way through. his comments about grime djs are kinda otm/funny too.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 14:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

which geeneus show is that?

Benjamin, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 14:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

the most recent one. 18th march i think?

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 15:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

cool, will check it out :)

Benjamin, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 16:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

So basically Circle are funky's Tuff Jam, right?

I have nothing against the style of music they play - I like it a lot actually, basically they're doing Jerome Sydenham/Dennis Ferrer/Quentin Harris style deep-tech yeah? But they're kidding themselves if they think they'll create a new genre out of this sound now, when there's already been such intense activity in this area for the past couple of years.

Tim F, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 21:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

to some extent, but they don't (at least yet) quite have the same musical capacities as Tuff Jam did... but i am a total Tuff Jam fanboy so maybe not offering a neutral perspective! from a more social perspective it seems a good comparison though

i think their selection is a bit more expansive than just that NY deep sound though, loads of quite maximally arranged techy but housey european stuff, some more trad. UK deep house guys etc, broken beat plus chicago/US deep. funnily their selection is probably broader than most UK guys, just with much more explicit boundaries and exclusions.

strikes me that much of their position comes quite a lot from social sides rather than music or sound in abstract, more so than many others. it seems that wanting to be as far from grime, the vibe that came with it and the mentality that dominated it is almost the defining factor of their perspective and musical choices

it does actually seem like more broadly the whole nursery rhyme / chant trend is splitting the scene in half, or at least polarising it, i've seen a lot of very, very impassioned critiques of that stuff of late, even from ppl like Marcus Nasty

Benjamin, Thursday, 26 March 2009 10:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

"i've seen a lot of very, very impassioned critiques of that stuff of late, even from ppl like Marcus Nasty"

where?

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 26 March 2009 10:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

heard a lot of chanty crap i hadnt heard before out on saturday, seems a lot of half baked producers are hunting the next 'heads, shoulders..' (which im unsure of) style vocal hook. I don't think ive heard an mc led funky track yet which i didnt think was gash

straightola, Thursday, 26 March 2009 11:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

i hate all these mc/dance tunes.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 26 March 2009 11:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

im kinda hoping that they all bomb and everyone just ignores them.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 26 March 2009 11:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

it really brings the most pathetic get rich quick trotter elements to the fore. fuck doing the work lets hope the birds are thick enough to latch on to this one and ride the 5 minutes of fame

straightola, Thursday, 26 March 2009 11:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

where?

― Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2)

Marcus sez:

I AM NOT SUPPORTING FUNKY MC TRACKS THAT ARE REALLY GRIME TUNES OR OTHER PEOPLES TUNES THAT YOU HAVE MC'ED OVER AND ARE NOW PASSING OFF AS YOUR OWN.

IF YOU CANT MAKE IT AS AN MC YOU WILL DEFINATELY NOT MAKE IT AS AN ARTIST!
IF YOU ARE AN ARTIST YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER!
AND IF YOU ARE AN MC WHO IS JUMPING ON THIS TING YOU SHOULD KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING OR "LEAVE IT ALONE".

IM NOT SAYING THAT THEY ARE ALL SHIT IM JUST SAYING THAT WE NEED TO KEEP IT FUNKY TO REALLY ESTABLISH OUR SCENE AS AT THE MOMENT THERE IS NO CONSITENCY OR ANY SORT OF LEVELS WITH REGARDS TO THE MC TRACKS FOR INSTANCE DONAEO & VERSATILLE IN COMPARISON TO THE CRAP THAT HAS BEEN SENT TO MY INBOX.

THE HEAD, SHOULDERS, KNEES & TOES TRACK WAS ORIGINAL SO IT WORKED BUT EVEN THEY STRUGGLE TO PERFORM TO THE LEVEL OF AN ESTABLISHED MC ON A LIVE SET.

MY ONE OFF MC SHOWS ARE LIVE "RADIO SHOWS" TO SHOWCASE THE TALENT FROM WITHIN OUR SCENE AND ARE NOT TO BE TAKEN AS A GO AHEAD TO INCOURAGE OTHER DJ'S/MC'S WHO LACK IDEAS OR TURN THIS SCENE INTO A TALENTLESS HYPEFEST.

P.S

I HAVE NOT AND WILL NEVER PLAY THEM ON MY SHOW!!!!!"

http://ukfunky.free-forums.org/marcus-nastys-view-on-mcs-vt1252.html

+ further...

http://queenofsheba84.wordpress.com/2009/02/22/its-not-funky-its-whack/
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=131519630155
http://www.itsalotmagazine.com/ (p32)

Benjamin, Thursday, 26 March 2009 11:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

this is funny:

Benjamin, Thursday, 26 March 2009 11:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

OMG, on the new Mak 10/Shantie set Ach (Benjamin?) posted on the dissensus thread (and btw welcome back Shantie MC!), the second track is JAWDROPPING. I think it's a remix of J-Will's "Deja Vu". Sweet but dark hi-tech robo-pop, with a rhythm as memorable as the tune.

Tim F, Sunday, 29 March 2009 10:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

just swinging by to register the fact i saw Harry Hill singing Bongo Jam on Tv Burp in a funky house related gag last night.

siskin/skulls, Sunday, 29 March 2009 21:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

i wish i knew what more of these tracks were called. im def converted full on to this now though. need to get down to more funky events.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 30 March 2009 18:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm Ach. I've just checked out the J-Will original, that's a very good video, especially with Wretch who I've always liked. Pretty sure the funky mix is by Soul Tonic Sound System. I can't find their myspace as yet but there are a number of tracks by them on ukfunky.com

Ach!, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 21:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

Thanks Ach! Soul Tonic Sound System did an excellent remix of a Doctor tune too I think - it's on one of Faze's mixes. I can totally believe this remix is by them.

Tim F, Wednesday, 1 April 2009 00:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

I know that i've touted the secret black dog --> uk funky connection before, but Mos' Wanted's "Frozen" (on the new Marcus Nasty set) really does sound like something off Temple of Transparent Balls. But it's also smashing. I like how a lot of the time this music seems utterly oblivious to its own oddness.

Tim F, Sunday, 5 April 2009 07:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

was listening to a dj ng set on rinse the other day, with mc versatile (i think). he seemed a bit self conscious about some of the softness of the tunes that were being played (it was more typical funky house rather than funky), constantly repeating 'this is the new garage' in between almost defending the tunes (if only to make himself feel better lol). i like 'funky' but half the other shows on rinse seem to be playing the usual watery proper funky house. makes you remember this this sound is still in its early stages.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Sunday, 5 April 2009 09:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

im not sure that that tune is the SoulTonic Soundsystem one thats been knocking about, the one on the Mak 10 set seems more grimey and weird, might be though im not sure

http://www.myspace.com/soultonicsoundsystem

latest Footloose show is sounding stupidly good, loads of new stuff sounding great, just skipped through a bit then dropped into the more epic bit towards the end, Mercurial Myrmidon - Moving Shapes is so so so good, so euphoric! stunning vibes and such a disgraceful bassline. i nearly lost it on the tube today. i swear at this rate i'm going to be a born-again Christian by Christmas

there are some UK guys developing a really epic and deep but totally ruff approach that I am enjoying a great deal, kind of crosses over with some of the stuff Louie Vega and Kenny Dope are doing here and there and some of the stuff on Strictly / Defected...

still hanker for that Chunky Bizzle tune that was getting rinsed in the summer

thanks to Algierstwin on dissensus for the rip...

http://www.zshare.net/download/58148955bd92fe2e/

0200 - 0230

El B – I Feel
Black Russian – Soul Gypsy
Unknown – Broken Soul
Monsta Boy ft Dwaine Hayden – Sorry (Illmana Remix)
H2O ft Miss Fire - Falling
Platnum – Trippin’ (Ill Blu Remxi)
DJ Naughty – Darker Days

0230 - 0330

Plague A' Lero with Reverie Soul – Don’t Be Shy
Rockwell D & Gappy Ranks – Pull Up Dat
All The King’s Men ft Leo The Lion – All My Lions
Doc Daneeka – Deadly Rhythm
DJ Lil Silva – Different
Miss Fire ft Van Cleef – Lost in Your House
A Little Bit Funky - Looney Tunes Vol. 2

Producer Spotlight – Invasion Records (OB, DJ Fingerprint and Tadow)
Addictive – Domino Effect (OB Remix)
OB – Can She
Platnum – Trippin’ (Ill Blu Remix)
Tadow – What is House?
Tadow – Free
OB – Emergency Room
Fingerprint – Night Time

0330 – 0430

Todz & Beatz ft Branjae – Mystery
Diamond ft Sophia Romian – Fly Away
Illmana ft Chloe – Burning
Jade Smallz – I Found You
Seany B ft Lil London – Mr Seduction
Teddra Moses – Be Your Girl (DJ Perempay & Dee Soulful Mix)
Aphrodisiax – My Getaway
Temps Neviks – 4 The Love
Karizma ft Spen – 4 The Love (Groucho Marxx Remix)
Mercurial Myrmidon – Moving Shapes
MajorNote$ – Viva La Revolution
DJ Sami Sanchez – Air Raid
Claude Von Stroke – Who’s Afraid Of Detroit?
Sonikz – Woah
NB Funky – Riddim Box (DJ Sami Sanchez Remix)

0430 – 0530

Rob Rentford – It Is What It Is
Felly – Like This
Amiga – Amiga
Mr V – I Can Sing
House Amigos – Déjà Vu
Daddy Funk – W Flute
Zoo Brazil – Gainer
The Sunburst Band – Journey To The Sun (Dennis Ferrer Remix)
Souled vs. Reel People & Omar – I’m Out of Love
Karizma – 33rd Street
Ollie Brooke ft Nina Brooke – Fireflies
Anthony Moriah – Private Life (Guy Robin Main Mix)

0530 – 0600

Dexter Rico - Awakening
Ultra Nate – Love’s The Only Drug
S Tee – Bran Funk
TJ Cases – Hard Cash
Marco Del Horno – Samurai (DJ MA1 Remix)
Ralf Gum ft Monique Bingham – Kissing Strangers (Todz & Beatz Remix)

Benjamin, Monday, 6 April 2009 10:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

this grievous angel move down low track is pretty cool.... .

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 09:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

this might be trainspotteringly dull but i find it well interesting that James Lavonz is now in with Quentin Harris and that NY house lot

Benjamin, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 21:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, though "Mash Up Da Venue" (still one of the most amazing garage tunes ever and I think a big reference point for a lot of the darker funky, intentionally or otherwise) was kind of an anomoly for Lavonz - everything else he ever did was fairly polite bumping post-Tuff Jam stuff (albeit often excellent).

Tim F, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 22:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

Can't stop listening to that Mak 10/Shantie show, it's taken over my life. So many great tracks/moments:

- that opening vocal track with the slightly stalkerish lyrics and all the clattery snares, which acts as a great taster for:
- OB's astonishing "Domino Effect": that's the eerie bleepy one with the lonely cyborg singing "That's the way the domino falls... You had me from the very start, now it's time that i surrender... something in my HEART... just went click..." This is such an interesting track from a paradigm pov: I'm actually a little bit over a lot of the more conservative, soulful post-"Time To Let Go" vocal tracks, but this is so much more expansive and unusual than that (as is the "Deja Vu" remix near the beginning) - icy synthish sonics but not falling into the electro-house trap, closer to Cassie's "Me & U" or Aaliyah's "We Need A Resolution" if anything, perhaps crossed with early Nightmares on Wax. I really couldn't think of a better direction for vocal funky tracks to go in.
- The bootleg of Hardhouse Banton's "Reign" with D Double E on top, I didn't think this was amazing until the second beat variation comes in and it matches D.E.E's rising urgency perfectly.
- An otherwise too masculinist tribal-breakbeaty track totally redeemed by being played off a heliumed-up version of "Genie In A Bottle"
- That awesome track with the grimey strings and the diva shrinking "IT'S THE NEW SOUND!!"
- The one with the guy commanding "jump and skank to the beat!" over the ridiculously big bassline.

Tim F, Sunday, 12 April 2009 01:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

Also re Mercurial Myrmidon, I've decided that "House of Emotion" is even more massive than "Moving Shapes", though both are fantastic.

I have a feeling Vahid would like them.

Tim F, Sunday, 12 April 2009 01:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

Actually I think "Domino Effect" is technically: Addictive - Domino Effect (O.B. Remix) or maybe (Invasion Remix). I note that it's on the Footloose show linked to above. I'm having difficulty downloading that set in full but I really want to hear the Invasion Records producer showcase section! Love those guys so much.

Speaking of which I just went on a splurge on ukfunky.com and got Tadow's "Rising Sun" and Fingaprint's "The Takeover" amongst many others.

My biggest find was discovering that Swift Jay's "Toppa 5", aka the tune from last year with all the Elephant Man samples and the totally insane stuttery groove.

Tim F, Sunday, 12 April 2009 02:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

Tracklist:
Alison Hinds - Roll It Gal (A Little Bit Funky VIP)
Shereen-Crystal & Benji Whytepatch - Wanna See You Dance (Funky House Mix)
Funkystepz - Bounce (FaZe Special)
S-Tee ft Tasha - Touch On Me
Marco Del Horno - Samurai (MA1 Remix)
Diamond Ft Sophia Romain - Fly Away (Remix)
Lil Silva - Funky Pulse
Chaka Khan ft Mary J Blige - Disrespectful (Donaeo Remix)
Dj Champion - Tribal Affair
Dj Q Ft Natz - Yours
Nathan Soul - Hey Makarimba
Ms Dynamite - Bad Gyal
Lil Silva - Different
Footsteps ft AL - Tell Me
Sticky - Jumeriah Riddem
Perempay N Dee - In The Air (Bopstars Wonky Mix)
Crazy Cousinz - Feel My Drums
Mary J Blige - Just Fine (At One Remix)
Sweet Boy Candy - Bongo Boy
NTL - That Girl (Guy Robin & DJ Leo Dub)
Nu Sound Therapy - Hard Steppin
Skepta - Sunglasses At Night (Dj Naughty Mix)
Aardvark - Nosestep
S-Tee - War
Toddla T ft Serocee - Shake It (Donaeo Remix)
Major Notes - Holy Ghost
Kasia - Mr Delirious (Dj Naughty Remix)
Tiny Lou - What Have You Done Phunked
Sinead Hunter - Like a Drug
DJ MA1 - Waterfalls
Dj Drizz ft Deesha - Let Ur Freek Out
Fuzzy Logic - El Mataron
Lee Wilson - Life (Reel Soul Remix)

Download:
zShare: http://www.zshare.net/audio/586132966058906c/
Rapidshare: coming soon...

Split Tracks will come in a bit, dont have time with uni work and that at tho mo....

faze01, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 00:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

Cheers Faze! Very excited about nabbing this!

Tim F, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 01:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

Rapidshare: http://rapidshare.com/files/221046488/FAZE_-_Deep___Funky_April_Edition.mp3

faze01, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 01:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

Skepta - Sunglasses At Night (Dj Naughty Mix)

Wait wtf?!

Enormous Epic (Matt DC), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 11:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

it sucks (well the orig does at least)

Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 11:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

Oh it's not THAT Sunglasses At Night. I don't know whether to be relieved or disappointed.

Enormous Epic (Matt DC), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 11:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, though "Mash Up Da Venue" (still one of the most amazing garage tunes ever and I think a big reference point for a lot of the darker funky, intentionally or otherwise) was kind of an anomoly for Lavonz - everything else he ever did was fairly polite bumping post-Tuff Jam stuff (albeit often excellent).

yeh there's some truth in this, i think he was always on a certain trajectory, but thats part of whats interesting to me i think. just funny where people end up and pop up. also just for fun...

kind of like his 4x4 Mash Up Da Venue. Vibration is still one of my absolute favourites too. that and Mash Up Da Venue are easily two of my all time favourite records. i consistently enjoy his use of outrageously odd bass sounds in the oddest of contexts (even his soulful stuff is very odd i think)

with you on some of those vocal tunes about at the moment, that really cold, emotionally catatonic vibe - feeling it.

some really really interesting things picking up again in these recent sets, felt like there was a slight lull but the new year is killing it now

are you still having trouble getting the Footloose rip Tim? i could up in parts or something if so and you want any of it

Benjamin, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 20:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

oh yeh and that other Mercurial Myrmidon tune is sick! he is shaping up to be an amazing producer, wasn't convinced by his first few but he's doing it now. total carnage on that one. still sold on Moving Shapes, the way Footloose drops in and out of it in that show above takes it somewhere else

Benjamin, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 20:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah "Vibration" is great.

Re the Footloose set, it's just that zshare tends to stop downloading and random points for me, so then I have to start all over again. It usually takes about four goes with these large sets. I'll try again tonight - thanks for the upload!

Interesting that the "Am I Your Girl" tune turns out to be DJ Q of bassline fame - I don't think this is as good as his best bassline stuff, though I like that skanking offbeat counter-rhythm sound he uses through much of it.

Tim F, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 23:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

it wasn't me on the upload, just the link :) it was a guy from dissensus who uploaded

i can put it up on a different upload site if needs be, just let me know

started listening to that Mak 10 show at last... boy. he is such a badboy once he gets going, he knows how to hit a vibe and ride it. totally feeling you on the new breed of tune coming through, totally plugging that gap i was bemoaning upthread opening up between straighter housey stuff and bleak tribal grimey stuff... exciting times. that along with the likes of Mercurial Myrmidon and some of the weird housier stuff on the Footloose show are finding a beautiful sweetspot somewhere very fresh and compulsive

also LOVE shantie!... he's such a joker, pure vibes. totally brings things to life... "we do it for the girls, do it for the geezers"...

Benjamin, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 09:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

"...dedicated funky listeners!"

I love Shantie so much, it's almost creepy. Esp. since he hasn't bothered to come up with any new rhymes in the past year. I love it on that Mak 10 set when "Seasons" starts up, and he announces "and you know what goes PERFECT with this!!!", then waits for the tune to break into its main groove, then rapidfire:

"Rude boy nowaday what you a do/pick up your gun from god knows who/ain't got an idea ain't got a clue/what you gonna do when they come for you??"

Not to mention on Crazy Cousinz's "Always Be Mine" where he darkly portends "funky comin' in the breeze..." just before the tune flips into its spooky dancehall section, and then starts guffawing at his own inadvertent good timing.

Re Mak 10, yeah particularly on this show there's a sense of him occupying the middle ground in a good way, whereas Marcus can sometimes feel a bit bipolar in his swings between vocal tracks and sparer instrumentals. To my mind, as with 2-step, there's no reason that vocal tunes can't be dark and experimental and no reason why dark and experimental tunes can't have vocals. Though that said a lot of my favourite tracks this year have been instrumental. But I think vocals often make tunes seem harder than they were as instrumentals, rather than the other way round - e.g. for some reason Wookie's "Gallium" becomes ruffer as "Fallin".

Actually the newly vocalled "Always Be Mine" is a good example of the fact that anything can be vocalled. It reminds me of old Wideboys remixes.

The most extreme version of that though will always be the Lorraine Cato vocal mix of "Pulse X".

Tim F, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 10:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

Shantie has just got a good vibe, what many mc's don't... he sounds like he has so much fun, and loves the tunes, and has simple rhymes that make you smile

agreed on vocals, both in the sense that fluid vocals can really draw out the percussive tuffness of the rhythm (if its there), but also in vibe they can (paradoxically) take things to a stranger and unique place... like that Domino Effect would be a nice enough deep techy number anyway but i think the vocals put it in an entirely different space for me

slightly unrelated and it may not be rated but i've been absolutely lapping up this Timmy Regisford / Shelter tribute mix these last weeks

http://frazer-houseproud.blogspot.com/2008/12/blog-post.html

Benjamin, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 13:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

if you ain't got a PIN it's a facebook ting

look at you: lookin' like a lobster (tpp), Monday, 20 April 2009 15:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

Gratuitously reviving this thread to note that the two Mak 10/Shantie sets (the deja one from March and now the new rinse one) have monopolised my life even more than the classic marcus nasty sets from last year. This really is the most astonishing stuff!

Tim F, Monday, 27 April 2009 22:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

marcus is still better than mak.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 08:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

tho shantie with marcus would be better still ;)

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 08:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

no chance!

Benjamin, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 10:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

I think Marcus is more consistent than Mak - who has some very boring sets at times - but the two Mak10/Shantie hook-ups are unbeatable. On those sets Mak has a better track selection than anything Marcus has managed this year at the very least.

We're all in agreement re Shantie obv.

Tim F, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 11:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

maks ok but he doesnt know how to sequence or build up the momentum of a set as well as marcus when hes playing instrumentals. not nearly. i love shantie. i dont really know his history but he reminds me of early grime mcs around 2001/2002, kinda like gods gift but not as gruff. marcus' sets are still great, but its a bit weird to still hear dubs he was playing last year still being played when we're almost 6 months into 2009! (good as they are)

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 11:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

thats interesting... i was about to post almost exactly the opposite!

i generally find Mak a hands-down better selector in the flow - when he hits a seam he absolutely kills it, wheras i often find Marcus doesn't really get me hitting a vibe for extended periods so much.

Mak is also an extraordinary dj in terms of beat-matching, chopping and eq

in terms of consistency i've found Marcus Nasty to be very inconsistent... sometimes months of boring shows. it seems like maybe he goes through longer phases of being not that great, wheras with Mak 10 the shows he's done have varied massively even within the space of a week or so.

but they're both great to be fair

however Mak also wins at not making threats against other house djs on the internet

Benjamin, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 11:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'd actually side with marcus when it comes to beat matching, and give the edge slightly to mak10 (on his best sets) when it comes to sequencing - some awesome swift cuts from one to the other.

Tim F, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 11:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

In other news, that awesome bleepy tune that I've been trying to ID forever - it's early on in the Marcus + MCs set from November last year, after Geeneus's "Make Me" I think - turns out to be Mos Wanted's "Different Lekstrix". Not that surprising since Mos Wanted's more recent "Frozen" is rather like it.

The none-more-insane tribal track that dates back to a similar time (and is on that set as well) is (surprise surprise) Lil' Silva's "Tribal Land".

Tim F, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 12:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

Also, Royal P seems to be developing a fine line in that sickly-lush new vocal style emerging (a la the OB remix of "Domino Effect") - "Between Us" is simultaneously woozy and svelte, all disorienting synth swirls and delicate percussion. If this is where the vocal end of the scene goes I'm totally all for it.

Tim F, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 12:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

Help me fill in the tracklist blanks on the Marcus Nasty/Mak10 26 March set:

0:00:00 - ??? "Quit trying to fight you"
0:02:50 - J-Will - Deja Vu (??? Remix)
0:05:02 - ??? "You give me butterflies"
0:07:14 - ??? "Dangerous... I'm about to explode"
0:09:25 - DJ Q - Your Girl
0:11:36 - Hard House Banton - Sirens
0:12:35 - Unknown - A Little Bit Funky/Christina Aguilera - Genie In A Bottle
0:14:16 - ??? "It's the New Sound!"
0:16:28 - ??? Stuttery drums and sad bleeps
0:17:27 - Addictive - Domino Effect (O.B. Remix)
0:19:53 - ??? Sounds like DJ Naughty maybe
0:21:48 - Sticky and Paleface - Open Your Eyes
0:24:30 - Crazy Cousinz - Always Be Mine
0:26:40 - Donaeo - Love To Happen
0:29:37 - Lil' Silva - Different
0:32:15 - Fuzzy Logic - In The Morning
0:33:29 - ??? Piano tune
0:35:40 - ??? "He's young and he's black and they think that he's handsome"
0:37:38 - ??? synthy
0:38:52 - Lil' Silva - Seasons
0:41:30 - ??? "Jump and skank to the beat"
0:43:13 - Aaron Carl - Oasis (Nick Holder Dub)
0:44:56 - ??? dancehall-ish with piano, maybe Tadow?
0:46:07 - Hard House Banton - Reign/D Double E Freestyle
0:51:45 - ??? Maybe Fuzzy Logic, piano stomper
0:52:34 - snippet of Princess - Frontline
0:53:18 - Sticky - Juremiah Riddim
0:55:29 - ??? echoing percussion, "work me!"
0:58:25 - Scottie D - ???
0:59:38 - ??? Tribal bleep
1:01:36 - ??? Spooky arpeggios and trance chords
1:03:03 - ??? Histrionic synth blasts
1:04:17 - ??? Feel like I should know this one. "Now move!"
1:07:34 - ??? repeat dubby chord and smashing percussion
1:09:46 - Funkystepz - Funky Sound
1:11:42 - ??? Probably Scottie D or Lil' Silva
1:12:49 - Scottie D - Dream (fabulous!)
1:14:10 - Rapid - Report to the Dancefloor
1:15:23 - Lil' Silva - Funky Flex vs Pulse
1:17:19 - D-Malice - ???
1:19:02 - Madd.One - Tribal Conga
1:20:30 - ??? Eerie horns
1:22:15 - ??? "And I'm here to tell you!" LOVE THIS
1:24:23 - Lil' Silva - ???
1:27:33 - ??? Organ riffs
1:28:35 - ??? Rip Groove samples?
1:30:01 - ??? very Jammer
1:31:00 - Unknown - A Little Bit Funky
1:32:27 - Danny Native - Rass
1:33:42 - ??? Latin percussion
1:35:24 - ??? LOVE THE ARDKORE VIBE ON THIS ONE
1:37:33 - ??? Drum rolls
1:38:43 - ??? That "Whoidit?" sample is a producer signature though. This is great
1:40:57 - ??? Very grimey
1:41:54 - ??? Love the assymetrical groove on this one
1:43:09 - ??? Feel like I should know this one, heard it heaps
1:44:37 - ??? Zipping string riffs
1:46:06 - Roska - In Your Handbag
1:48:01 - ??? Deep house vibe
1:49:32 - ??? More of a tribal deep house thing

Tim F, Thursday, 30 April 2009 13:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

thats the type of tracklisting i wanna see on the back of those rinse mix cds :)

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 30 April 2009 13:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

fuck liners!

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 30 April 2009 13:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

PUT YOUR SUNGLASSES ON
DANCING TO MY SUNGLASSES SONG

Styles Davis (The Reverend), Sunday, 3 May 2009 07:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

is anyone liking DJ MA1's "Waterfalls" as much as I am? Something about it's simplicity makes it feel much huger than it should be

Styles Davis (The Reverend), Sunday, 3 May 2009 08:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

of interest, especially Aidonia's "Inflation" vocal:

http://www.theheatwave.co.uk/blog/item/ja-bashment-meets-uk-funky/

Styles Davis (The Reverend), Sunday, 3 May 2009 09:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ha, I was about to post that!

Tim F, Sunday, 3 May 2009 09:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

Sticky & Lady Chann's "Your Eye Too Fast" from the same blog is great.

Tim F, Sunday, 3 May 2009 09:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'd have to take the Aidonia off repeat to listen to that and I'm not quite prepared to do such yet.

Styles Davis (The Reverend), Sunday, 3 May 2009 09:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

Oh right, the Sticky/Lady Chann is brilliant stuff, too.

Styles Davis (The Reverend), Sunday, 3 May 2009 10:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

x-post Ha ha. I've yet to decide if the autotuning on the Aidonia is too much, or if too much is never enough.

Tim F, Sunday, 3 May 2009 10:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

Between "Always Be Mine" and "Inflation"/"Bounce", Crazy Cousinz are having a good couple of months.

Also their new remix of "Bongo Jam" (I think it's by them) with the massive dirty bassline section. Reminds me of those old Wideboys remixes of Artful Dodger.

Tim F, Sunday, 3 May 2009 10:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

Right now I can't ever see myself tiring of shit like this.

Enormous Epic (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 May 2009 10:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

Man alive, those funky/dancehall tracks are JAWDROPPING. Any reservations about the autotune are utterly blown away by TICK TICK TICK TOCK and WINE UP AND WINE UP AND WINE UP AND WINE UP.

I had the reverse reaction to the Reverend, it took me ages to get to Aidonia because I couldn't stop playing Your Eye Too Fast.

Enormous Epic (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 May 2009 11:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

Also does the Lady Chann really contain the line "me a the Chris Brown you a the Rihanna" or did I just imagine that?

Enormous Epic (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 May 2009 11:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

"stupid skank" redeems the uk for at least 3 shitty britpop bands

Styles Davis (The Reverend), Sunday, 3 May 2009 11:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

xp: no you didn't

Styles Davis (The Reverend), Sunday, 3 May 2009 11:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

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Styles Davis (The Reverend), Monday, 4 May 2009 05:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

Apparently the Heatwave blog dude DJed at Fwd last night and the first two tracks he played were Eye Too Fast and Bounce.

Enormous Epic (Matt DC), Monday, 4 May 2009 13:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah i was gonna post that. gabriel's actual heatwave club night is always reliably excellent too but i think this was the first time he'd played at fwd. much wining of waists ensued.

(oneman played an amazing old-school set which culminated in this brilliant garage rmx of mariah's 'my all', and ramadanman played this completely insanely rhythmic set...)

lex pretend, Monday, 4 May 2009 13:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

Speaking of ramadanman, his recent podcast for Appleblim's Apple Pips label includes that awesome funky track which marcus plays, a fractured rolling tribal number with these awesome 2-step-style cut-up female vocals. It's like an ever-so-slightly feminized version of Lil' Silva's "Tribal Land". I wonder if it's his own?

Tim F, Monday, 4 May 2009 14:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

The first tune on the April 29 Marcus Nasty Set is another amazing track in this dancehall/funky fusion style. A shame there's something up with the rinsefm set at the moment and i can't download this properly at the moment.

Tim F, Monday, 4 May 2009 15:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

Seriously people.

For a certain to be amazing dj set at my impending birthday party I am thinking of bridging from dancehall to funky via dreamweaver riddim (prob. Elephant Man's "Blessed") ---> "Bounce".

Tim F, Monday, 4 May 2009 23:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm totally late on "Party Hard", but HOTDAMN THE BASS IS HUMONGOUS

Styles Davis (The Reverend), Wednesday, 6 May 2009 01:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

Rev, have you heard "Love To Happen", based around DJ Gregory's "Don't Panic"? It's also massive.

Tim F, Wednesday, 6 May 2009 04:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

Is that another Donaeo track?

Styles Davis (The Reverend), Wednesday, 6 May 2009 04:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yes!

You really should download the March Mak 10/Shantie set already.
Not sure if this link still works:

http://uploadground.com/files/1W86IJS3/DJ_Mak_10___Shantie_MC_-_26_Mar_2009_-_www.vulive.co.uk_-_DejaVuFM.mp3

Tim F, Wednesday, 6 May 2009 05:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

Artist: VA
Title: This Is UK Funky House Vol. 1 - Presented By Crazy Cousinz (2009)
Release Date: 11.05.2009
Label: Rinse FM
Genre: House
Quality: VBR kbps / 44.1kHz / Joint-Stereo

Tracklist:

CD 1:
01. Crazy Cousinz & Kyla - Do You Mind
02. Estelle - Come Over (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
03. Alesha Dixon - Boy Does Nothing (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
04. Meleka - Go (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
05. Garrison Hawk - Sweet Music (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
06. Lemar - If She Only Knew (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
07. K.I.G - Head, Shoulders, Kneez & Toez (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
08. Hannah Liston - Embrace Me (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
09. Natty - July (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
10. Sadie Ama - Those Where The Days (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
11. Leo - Hey Girl (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
12. Charlene Dance & Major Ace - Money (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
13. Young Don - Always Be My Baby (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
14. Leo - Indecent Proposal (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
15. Sniper - Dat Body (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
16. Ava Leigh - La La La? (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
17. Jay SeanTonight (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
18. Crazy Cousinz Ft Kimona - I See You
19. Crazy Cousinz Ft Calista - Bongo Jam

CD 2:
01. Geeneus Ft Katy B - As I
02. Crazy Cousinz - Inflation Instrumental
03. Perempay And Dee Ft Katie Pearl - Something In The Air
04. Donaeo - Devil In A Blue Dress
05. Hard House Banton - Sirens
06. Dubplate Malice - Gabryelle Refix
07. Def1 Feat Nyah - Frontline
08. Donaeo - African Warrior
09. Crazy Cousinz Ft Mc Versatile - Funky Anthem
10. Geeneus & Zinc Ft Nikki - Emotions
11. MA1 Ft Sim Simmy - Give It Up
12. DJ Naughty - Quicktime
13. Apple - Chants
14. DJ Footloose Ft Courtney Dennie - So Dangerous
15. Crazy Cousinz - Attract Instrumental
16. Attacca Pesante Ft Shea Soul - Make It Funky For Me
17. Tadow - Hornz
18. Fr3e - Tribal Skank (Skank Calm Down)
19. Roska - Climate Change
20. Apple - De Sieliger
21. Fingaprint - Takeover
22. Sticky Ft Sim Simmy - How Very Dare You
23. DJ Seany B - Stompa
24. Wookie Ft Ny - Fallin Again

Tim F, Saturday, 9 May 2009 01:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

LOL at calling your comp "This Is Funky House" and then making it two/thirds your own productions, but then that first disc is probably the one I'm looking forward to more.

A lot of the second disc selections look old now (albeit reliable, and superior to the mix-disc on Volumes), but then I guess that was inevitable. I wonder if, had I been following UK garage as very closely right through 1999, I would have been similarly underwhelmed by the tracklists of all those early-2000 compilations.

Tim F, Saturday, 9 May 2009 01:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

it's being billed as a crazy cousinz album, so that first disc is justifiable! and preferable, i think we'll all agree, to CC actually trying to do An Album. both cds are really really great to listen to, anyway, little new for us lot i guess but excellent primers. though i guess they couldn't afford to put the jazmine/shontelle remixes on :(

lex pretend, Saturday, 9 May 2009 01:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm surprised they didn't include their own "Always Be Mine" - totally massive track! Though "Attract" is ace as well.

Shame about the Jazmine Sullivan remix, I think that may be their finest remix effort. Really need a high-quality version. The "PULL UP!" bit would cause dancefloor devastation I imagine.

Tim F, Saturday, 9 May 2009 02:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

I love the "Sweet Music" remix as well, and haven't even heard their take on K.I.G.

Not so into the Estelle remix which seems a bit by numbers. And they were wise to leave off their remix of "Sex Shooter", which is fine but it's an annoying song. They should have included their remix of Platnum's "Loveshy" though.

Tim F, Saturday, 9 May 2009 02:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

So, am I right in assuming the first disc is unmixed and the second disc is a mix?

magna cum lord (The Reverend), Saturday, 9 May 2009 06:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

nah, they're both mixed

lex pretend, Saturday, 9 May 2009 08:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah that second disc looks a pretty great introduction to the scene, I've been wondering what the first commercial funky compilation would look like. Shame 'In The Morning' isn't on there though.

I was in a very suburban high street pub in deep SE London last night and the DJ played the CC mix of 'The Boy Does Nothing', followed by 'Do You Mind', 'In The Air' and 'Bongo Jam'. My first thought was 'lol 2008' but on the other hand people seemed really into it.

Enormous Epic (Matt DC), Saturday, 9 May 2009 11:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

Saw Kode 9 last night and first half hour or so of his set was funky dominated, was really good.

languid samuel l. jackson (jim), Saturday, 9 May 2009 14:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

so the rinse 'volumes' comps are going to all be like that from now? not sure i wanna hear so many funky 'albums' really. id prefer it was just mixes. the 2nd one will prob be good/fun but do we still need tunes like something in the air on comps? i wanna see ppl put out mixes of all fresh stuff.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 9 May 2009 17:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

oops i didnt read theyre both mixed. either way, stupid title lol.

"I've been wondering what the first commercial funky compilation would look like."

geeneus already did it...

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 9 May 2009 17:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

this thread, i think, has proven to me that 'funky house' is not very funky-- in fact, much of what i like about it is simply Defected-style progressive house tarted up a bit. i mean, i like some of Julien Jabre's stuff and after listening to some Kyla tracks i have im all right with her, but i still don't get how this is the big thing in the UK right now.

the table is the table, Saturday, 9 May 2009 21:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

Julien Jabre doesn't really have anything to do with what's being talked about on this thread? None of the funky i've heard sounds remotely like prog.

languid samuel l. jackson (jim), Saturday, 9 May 2009 21:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

admittedly i'm only a dilettante.

languid samuel l. jackson (jim), Saturday, 9 May 2009 21:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

the table is the table, how much UK funky did you listen to before you decided to offer your definitive opinion?

Because funky isn't so much a sound as a (cough) continuum that runs from "Do You Mind" through to "Seasons". I could easily come up with five or ten funky tracks that, if you heard them in isolation, you would assume belonged to separate genres. Kyla's material is close to the conservative end of the scene.

(And none of those genres sound like progressive house, though I suspect you're using that term incorrectly as nor does Julien Jabre)

It's a bit like someone coming on to the techno/house bobbins 2009 thread and saying, "man, I listened to a Steve Bug record and I have no idea why you're so into all this stuff!"

Tim F, Sunday, 10 May 2009 00:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

also, the genre name is a bit of a misnomer

numerous circles of frontin (The Reverend), Sunday, 10 May 2009 01:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

I said this on dissensus re the name:

"Granted that the name "funky" is inherited, I think that in an odd way it does have purchase.

With the benefit of hindsight it's clear that a big part of the appeal of more conventional funky house was, perhaps from the beginning (or certainly from 2005), a certain allegiance to syncopation, the push-'n'-pull between the 4X4 kick and the counter-rhythm patterns on top, which perseveres in current funky.

Hence the Dennis Ferrer mix of "The Cure and the Cause" being such a pivotal track in the UK scene's emergence as a distinct (though not necessarily original or innovative at that stage) scene in itself.

While soca patterns have a huge role within current funky, it's also clear that they don't exhaust the current rhythmic template of the genre (no-one in this thread is saying it does - I just want to be clear). In this sense that soca beat could be said to occupy the same role as the basic 2-step beat in garage - lots of tracks use it or a variation of it, but it's only the most obvious of many forms the rhythmic template thows up.

However, I think you could characterise the overall rhythmic template as being one in which counter-rhythms are given a more decisive and prominent role, at times resulting in the abolition of the 4X4 kick (e.g. "A Little Bit Funky" or "Always Be Mine" - though even on tunes like these the absent kick has an implied presence in a way it didn't in, say, 2-step).

Off the top of my head I can't think of many tunes at all which just use a straight house beat with no counter-rhythmic adornment. That awsome Spryo tune on Marcus Nasty's November set with all the MCs toasting on top comes to mind, but even there there was a counter-rhythmic 5-pulse-per-bar chord which provided the same push'n'pull tension. You don't get really monolithic 1-2-3-4 tracks that predominate in regular house.

It's that sense in which "funky" actually means something still I think - whether it accords with more conservative definitions of funk is a separate question, but I'd say if it did the music probably wouldn't be as interesting... "

Tim F, Sunday, 10 May 2009 01:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but funky draws it's syncopations much more from afro-carribean musical traditions than the african-american ones that would more likely be associated with the word "funk". I agree with your general points, but at the same time, it's no mystery why the genre tag might be confusing.

numerous circles of frontin (The Reverend), Sunday, 10 May 2009 17:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

(Although I should add that my impression, rightly or wrongly, is that prior to this new wave that started last year, funky house DID draw more from afro-american traditions than afro-carribeanisms.)

numerous circles of frontin (The Reverend), Sunday, 10 May 2009 17:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

some of it is kinda funky, at least in a loose 'rhythmically driving/very syncopated' sense of the term. but then i always thought (trad) funky house was wrongly named to begin with.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Sunday, 10 May 2009 18:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

i get it, Tim. (I still would characterize Julien Jabre as progressive, though with much variation along that continuum).

i just think of funky house as...well, what is now called 'deep house.' shit like Paul Randolph and more disco-funk influenced house....whereas much of the funky-labelled stuff seems much more influenced by Defected-style big-room house or big-room New York house (ie Ibadan and Nite Grooves), with a much more soca and hip-hop flavor.

also, tim, it's not that i dislike it. in fact i'm warming to its sound quite a bit-- i'm just a bit skeptical, that's all. i'm sure that if i went out to a funky night in the UK or someplace else where it is very popular, i'd have a great time.

the table is the table, Sunday, 10 May 2009 20:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

As I mentioned upthread, the wonderful thing about UK funky is that it can and does encapsulate virtually the entire history of house music in all its forms with the aid of one rhythmic tweak. Your post raised an eyebrow with me even before Tim interjected - funky can be and already is a much wider range of things than most other dance genres.

And it isn't "very popular" in the UK - in fact most people don't even know what it is right now. It isn't even getting much media coverage over here, although that might change if the sound blows up at the Notting Hill Carnival this year.

Enormous Epic (Matt DC), Sunday, 10 May 2009 20:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

Tabes, I think the point is that is should be accepted for what it is, rather than what you think it should be.

numerous circles of frontin (The Reverend), Sunday, 10 May 2009 22:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

Off the top of my head I can't think of many tunes at all which just use a straight house beat with no counter-rhythmic adornment.

'What's In Your Handbag', also the Perempay & Dee remix of 'I'm Right Here' by MA1. But yes, very few. I sort of think of the straight 4/4 as the equivalent of kick-less sections in techno, maybe it re-energises the dancers for when the syncopation comes back in.

Enormous Epic (Matt DC), Sunday, 10 May 2009 22:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

sorry, Crazy Cousinz are having some sort of TV special soon, and that means it is popular, in my mind. and yes, i do understand the way television works in the UK and other countries.

the table is the table, Monday, 11 May 2009 01:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

and of course, Rev, you're totally right-- i will accept it for what it is, tho i still think it is a misnomer to the max.

the table is the table, Monday, 11 May 2009 01:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

"whereas much of the funky-labelled stuff seems much more influenced by Defected-style big-room house or big-room New York house (ie Ibadan and Nite Grooves), with a much more soca and hip-hop flavor."

Well yeah... but I think for most people a tune like the Ferrer remix of "The Cure & The Cause" is pretty much exactly what comes to mind when they hear the term "funky house".

But search the tracklist for any comp bearing these words (e.g. "this is funky house") from the past decade and it's clear that the term is so elastic as to be near meaningless.

To my mind it basically means populist big-room house that is neither too electroid nor too subtle - the more commercial MAW, Joey Negro etc.

Disco Kandi comps, basically! Which strike me for the most part as being less funky than "The Cure & The Cause" in that they're often quite monolithic, warm basslines notwithstanding.

Tim F, Monday, 11 May 2009 01:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

cooly g's fact mix is magnificent

lex pretend, Monday, 11 May 2009 09:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

joining all the dots between her dreamy, abstract productions and full-on diva house - i never fully bought into the binary of GRIMY FUNKY at one end and HOUSEY FUNKY at the other, but this mix would make a nonsense of it, anyway

lex pretend, Monday, 11 May 2009 10:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

i like 'Dis Boy Pt 4' - probably just for the ravey overtones

Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Monday, 11 May 2009 12:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

assuming that is the one with the "he says he wants to run away" hook

Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Monday, 11 May 2009 12:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

Fact Mix: This file is temporarily unavailable because there are no resources available under the owner's account. : /

she is playing here soon

zinguist (cozwn), Monday, 11 May 2009 12:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

link is working again now btw

zinguist (cozwn), Monday, 11 May 2009 14:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

not for me :(

Invalid File. This error has been forwarded to MediaFire's development team.

languid samuel l. jackson (jim), Monday, 11 May 2009 14:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

Wish they'd use rapidshare!

languid samuel l. jackson (jim), Monday, 11 May 2009 14:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

yousendit is actually good again these days

Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Monday, 11 May 2009 14:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

co-sign on YSI. i also pay for my account, but damn, it works well.

i am DLing the Cooly G right now, as the link works for me. i am kind of excited-- the description and tracklist look aight, and she seems cool as shit. so.

the table is the table, Monday, 11 May 2009 16:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

"joining all the dots between her dreamy, abstract productions and full-on diva house - i never fully bought into the binary of GRIMY FUNKY at one end and HOUSEY FUNKY at the other, but this mix would make a nonsense of it, anyway"

Yes but Cooly G sets sound rather different to other funky sets* so I'm not sure if that says something about funky or just about her.

*to the extent that we can talk about "other funky sets" - obv there's no set pattern and a lot of nominally "UK funky" DJs still play 90% US or Euro material. Really what's most different about Cooly G sets are her own productions, which provide the bulk of the "dreamy, abstract" quotient here.

But yes describing any scene in terms of a "binary" is always gonna be wrongheaded, esp. because funky is drawing from soca, dancehall and broken beat as well as from house and grime.

Cooly G is coming from a different place yet again insofar as she adds minimal and dubstep overtones. Of all the big UK producers only she and occasionally Roska are going for a dreamy/abstract sound. In a lot of ways this runs counter to what I usually like about funky. I think a big part of my enjoyment of funky has been grounded in how it redeploys certain things that i really liked in minimal, being disruptive and intricate rhythms, but does so with a populist/ravey sensibility quite foreign to minimal as it currently stands.

I've noticed that I now have less patience for a lot of the more reduced minimal I used to enjoy because funky has distorted my listening habits somewhat.

Whereas Cooly G's music is very accomodating to a minimal sensibility (and a dubstep sensibility too, but the Hessle Audio end rather than the Caspa/Rusko end obv). I enjoy stuff like "Love Dub" and "Dis Boy" more in the way that I enjoy, say, Pangaea, than in the way I enjoy other funky.

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 03:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

what does the track at 22 minutes sample? def recognize it, but can;t place it

yo is it true rev got sbed by a wite kid after a ilx beef?????? (The Reverend), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 09:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

also what is the track at 49 mins with the big "You got to believe in something! Why not believe in me?" diva vocals?

yo is it true rev got sbed by a wite kid after a ilx beef?????? (The Reverend), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 10:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

n/m, must be 16 Hard Soul - Self Religion (Believe In Me)

yo is it true rev got sbed by a wite kid after a ilx beef?????? (The Reverend), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 10:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah "Self Religion" is my favourite thing on there I reckon! On one of his sets Roska blends it with "Feeline" with a surprising level of success.

The 22 min track is Mista P's "Funky Interlude".

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 11:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

Prob not funky but I'm excited to hear Fact's new Terra Danjah podcast!

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 11:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

^^yes - need to find a spare hour to slam it on. he's playing night slugs on thu too, v excited about that

lex pretend, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 11:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

Okay, I dig this Cooly G mix but only after about the first ten minutes. The first ten minutes made me want to harm her.

the table is the table, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

The middle 30 minutes rate really high for me-- it is nice to hear a mix where I don't know much of what is going on with the artists etc.

the table is the table, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

one thing: stop the shout-outs, people. it's fucking annoying.

the table is the table, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 13:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

!!! You're beyond saving: the first ten minutes includes those great Martin Kemp, Sami Sanchez and Fingaprint tracks! Those three tracks are like the best single stretch of the mix.

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 13:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

there are too many shoutouts on that bit tho, reminds me of trying to listen to some hip-hop mixtapes and being killed by the compiler's constant shoutouts.

languid samuel l. jackson (jim), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 13:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

probably justifiable paranoia about people cutting out the individual tracks and spreading them on the net, but still.

languid samuel l. jackson (jim), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 13:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

No actually I agree that this section is best:

12 T. Williams & Smokey - Dub
13 NB Funky - Riddim Box (Sami Sanchez Remix)
14 Unknown - Unknown
15 Halo & Kemal - African Dream
16 Hard Soul - Self Religion (Believe In Me)

Still, I'd say this is nice rather than magnificent. It's nowhere near the obsessive take-over-my-life levels of goodness of Mak 10/shantie. Speaking of which the Mak 10/Marcus Nasty set from 6 April gets really great from about 45 minutes in, the limited skills of the ring-in bassline MCs notwithstanding. Loving that genuinely funky track in between Sami Sanchez's "Dirty Trumpet" and "A Little Bit Funky" at about an hour in. And that epic grime-funky track at 1:05:00. Also that final massive track from Bloodfire - didn't he used to be in Bugz in the Attic?

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 13:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

one thing: stop the shout-outs, people. it's fucking annoying.

― the table is the table, Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:16 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

u are

autogucci cru (deej), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 15:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

whenever i post anything, deej, you say that i'm retarded or annoying.

in other news, fuck you.

the table is the table, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 16:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

would like to hear someone reading john updike over funky house tracks

autogucci cru (deej), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 17:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

so is 'mirror dance' a big track in funky ?? its a huge 'just-house' song over here

autogucci cru (deej), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 18:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

still!

autogucci cru (deej), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 18:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

sounds like an obvious inspiration for 'inflation' to me

autogucci cru (deej), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 18:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

yr fave & mine sharky p killing it RIGHT NOW LIVE dudes

http://www.icecoldfm.co.uk/

r|t|c, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 18:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

ctrl + f "mirror dance" btw deej

Delirious ft Sweetness – Truthful
Puppert Master – Inflation Remix
Oveous Maximus – Mirror Dance (Yoruba)
Dewa Entertainment – Too Sweet

^ also check this outstanding extended riff about an hour and half into footloose this week.

r|t|c, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 18:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

haha, sharky currently turning portentous old 'samurai' (ma1 mix of jazztronik via marco del horno) into a bubbling s/t to the usual randy night out

HAHAHAHA and after all that filth he's now doing b2b with his infant kid he's had in the studio the whole time!!!!!!! love this guy

r|t|c, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 18:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

aww now the station's cut out :(

r|t|c, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 18:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

the shoutouts ARE - like deej in fact - quite annoying. tho tbh that whole mix (like cooly herself, good as she is) is a bit overrated (most fact mixes seem a bit lazily put together imho - like that roska one a while back).

heard a new donaeo track on kiss tonight. his most commersh song so far, nowhere near as good as the last few. goes a bit nuts with the orchestral stabs too.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 22:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

I like Sharkey P too. It's difficult for me to hate on MCs who focus their chat on important topics like picking up girls on the dancefloor.

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 23:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

The 22 min track is Mista P's "Funky Interlude".

― Tim F, Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:15 AM Bookmark

right, asked what the sample was iirc

yo is it true rev got sbed by a wite kid after a ilx beef?????? (The Reverend), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 23:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

gosh, however will deej cope with the combined beeves of titchy and idiot is the idiot.

I like Sharkey P too. It's difficult for me to hate on MCs who focus their chat on important topics like picking up girls on the dancefloor.

― Tim F, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 00:13 (52 minutes ago)

http://www.zshare.net/audio/599337044ba3bcaf/

in that case download (what i nabbed of) it like the animals do on tellyyyyyy. i was gonna llow it actually what with the dubs being old but in light of recent... travails perhaps a point needs to be reiterated. also if anyone should have the misapprehension that shark's a lairy joker and little else then i'd ask them to point out when their fave mc ever nailed anything so well as him breathlessly winding down his capers with "dj... play my..song... please!" at 23mins.

r|t|c, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 00:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

...beeves?

lex pretend, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 01:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

OH beefs but like...chaucerian or something?

lex pretend, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 01:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah, thought i'd give it a go innit

r|t|c, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 01:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

Looking forward to the Sharkey P!

Is it wrong of me that I even joy his "I'll holla/I don't mind if she spit or swalla!" rhyme? Not for the content, he just sound so fantastically worked-up yet gregarious.

Tim F, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 01:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

i just like the brazenness of rhyming "swalla" mostly.

so now, i'm as fond of shantie as anyone, but i've never really gotten that upthread thing of just a good bloke having a good time, showing much love, making you laugh. shantie does of course represent all those regular everyman qualities but to me works in an different sort of way to sharkey, who really is the ne plus ultra of all of the above listening to this. shantie's everymanness seems almost... profound? during his sets i even tend to find myself zoning out a little; he's weirdly unobtrusive - with that odd muffled quack of a voice - and thoughtful, and observant (stuff like suddenly deciding to getting round to doing some bars for the olympics, or that strange moment of seriousness justifying (to whom??) some stop the war lyrics with "well, it is a bit much innit"), and basically kinda just wanders in and out of the mix absentmindedly sometimes. yet he still intensifies the dance, not in spite of but because of all that somehow. in a greater sense i rather like to think of him as this kind of gentle shepherd of funky, safely prodding along marcus' and mac's furious herds of confused housey livestock, and your thoughts that go with it all the meanwhile.

r|t|c, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 01:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

mmmm. what else have i to catch up on?

i think i am in agreement with the thoughts here & elsewhere of reynolds' gimp regarding cooly g. (cept about the middle bit of her mix, i hated that.)
generally it seems to me a bit like in terminator 3 when arnie went all SQUEEEE and pussied out of his job just cos skynet thought they'd send a lady terminator over this time - did i remember that right? oh.

r|t|c, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 01:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

oh also me then being crestfallen at the cooly-ish stutter techsoul whatever section immediately following (indeed including, in that context) the 'love lockdown' cover early doors on the last marcus set.

i was trying to work out if i liked, or rather had any use for, this a while ago; think this would get play now or is bilal still too human?

http://www.soulbounce.com/soul/2009/01/rogiers_hollywood_story_gets_remixed_for_the_house_heads.php

r|t|c, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 01:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

question: is this new on the scene or actually have people been caning it for ages? - finding it really placeless just now. fabulous either way though.

r|t|c, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 01:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yes, I think this is right - if nothing else Shantie's conscious rhymes (e.g. "it's bare war on the streets nowadays/but I got two sons and I want shit to change/gun, coffin, wreath, wreath/every day more mums in grief/do we need more love on the road? in the rave? in the streets?") contradict that notion of him as an uncomplicated everyman. It's the interplay between that side of him and the "skanks in the bank"/"jump up and down on the spot!"/"all the skankers in the bank move to the front" stuff that makes him enjoyable.

The shepherd image is a good one: I think perhaps what inspires the "everyman" comparisons is that Shantie treats all the different styles fairly equally. Whereas the grimier MCs tend to wax and wane in enthusiasm/aggression levels based on what's playing.

One other thing I like about Shantie (and Rankin' too, but Shantie does it better) is that he's a good critic as well. Like when Mak 10 drops his Hard House Banton/D Double E blend and Shantie shouts "Lucky!!" repeatedly, as if to say "treasure this moment because you may never experience it again!"

(though Mak does tend to spoil this by rewinding the tune multiple times, I'm guessing so that no-one steals it from him. The intro on that one takes a bit long to build so the constant rewinds do hamper the vibe somewhat; that said when D.E.E. raps "I'm gonna put my hand through the letterbox" as the new counter-beat comes in... well, it's like the most exciting four seconds I've heard this year)

Tim F, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 02:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ha, speaking of being reynolds gimp, his recent and dense discussion of the hardcore continuum being "centripetal" is actually very worthwhile and interesting, and accords with my own feelings substantially.

Tim F, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 02:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

BTW whatever you posted asking "is this new" won't load for me. What is it?

Tim F, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 02:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

melissa bradshaw's recent takedowns of reynolds are infinitely more interesting and worthwhile than that endless centrifugal vs centripetal post, and her theory of soca aerobics is definitely smarter

lex pretend, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 02:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

the last video is something called 'turn me on' by black coffee - name doesn't ring a bell but the tune does

lex pretend, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 02:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

it's probably more like a centipede but i'll read it anyway.

song is black coffee ft bucie - turn me on (original mix) bah xp. yes it is like you've always known it isnt it! and actually from south africa to boot. (whoooooaa we're all having a conversation let's write a book review about it.)(just... don't even get me started on "dancehall funky".)

haven't decided what i make of bradshaw yet. "lucky!"

r|t|c, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 02:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

"melissa bradshaw's recent takedowns of reynolds are infinitely more interesting and worthwhile than that endless centrifugal vs centripetal post, and her theory of soca aerobics is definitely smarter"

link at all?

Tim F, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 02:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

http://melissabradshaw.net/

lex pretend, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 02:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

i see what she did there with the blog name.

r|t|c, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 02:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

Lex, based on that post Melissa appears to be conflating K-Punk and Simon's explanations of the hardcore continuum idea. They're actually very different. This is not her fault though, both writers have muddied the waters by not acknowledging their differences. All of the papers or associated rants I've read with respect to that continuum conference seem aimed at K-Punk's version of the idea rather than Simon's.

Simon's position is basically that he's talking about a set of cultural practices. K-Punk's is that he's talking about a politically charged philosophy for understanding and determining the quality of music. Simon's very happy to say "funky is 100% in the continuum, I just don't like it." K-Punk wants to tie the concept to (his personal sense of) the music's worth and/or(sonically) revolutionary potential.

To this extent it's really K-Punk who is prodding people to retaliate with "your problem is you just don't get the music, you're an old grinch." His response to this is, "it's not the music that's important, it's the idea that gives it meaning and resonance which is important." Which Simon wouldn't say, for him the idea is interesting only insofar as it traces what is actually happening in the music.

Melissa criticises Simon for saying (I paraphrase) "we all know what happened to Goldie when
he disconnected from the continuum", suggesting that he instead failed due to complacency and fame. But the two explanations aren't mutually exclusive. I'd suggest that Simon means, "If we agree that jungle was mostly great when it at least functioned as jungle qua jungle (regardless of whatever other stylistic qualities it might have possessed), it's to be expected that when an artist who positions him or herself as transcending that functional aspect, the quality of their music is likely to suffer."

I'd make similar comments of Roska's "classier" recent material: by seeking to minimise those qualities of the music we immediately associate with funky in favour of allusions to detroit techno and broken beat, those productions actually abandon a lot of what makes Roska an interesting producer in the first place.

Tim F, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 02:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

Lol let me be annoyed by who I want & u can be annoyed by me rtc

autogucci cru (deej), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 03:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

actually I think r|t|c was (obliquely) supporting you deej.

Tim F, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 03:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

cookie 4 tim, yeah i meant that more as just dem two forming the lamest tag team ever rather than any judging of your partic intolerances. (far be it from me, etc.)

the reynolds nuum piece is fine i guess, but it's just him in his garden shed
with the old trainset unless he's to go deeper than "funky is 100% in the continuum, I just don't like it" with it. this is the whole bloody thing.

r|t|c, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 03:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

eh i read that post on a phone so i couldnt really read between the lines

autogucci cru (deej), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 04:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, the fact that simon doesn't get funky is a massive black mark, I just think it doesn't necessarily disprove (his version of) the theory.

One problem with k-punk's "the theory is the point" stance is that the time when the theory is actually most interesting is also the time when one is least likely to focus on it as a theory.

The Feminine Pressure thinkpiece remains the most eloquent expression of the entire notion to date, and there Simon barely acknowledges it as a theory in and of itself, the whole purpose was to use these ideas to grapple with the greatness of 2-step garage. Because the ideas were contextually and sonically engaged with particular music, it just wouldn't have made sense to separate them out and fashion them into some sort of standalone transcontextual manifesto.

The analogy that comes into my mind is that of a DNA sequence in the context of a living organism and a DNA sequence that is successfully isolated in a laboratory. We don't need to convert the former into the latter in order to understand its importance. But when an animal dies, the latter may be all that we have left.

A more correct twist on the Melissa Bradshaw position would be to note that the theory ossifies the moment it's put in terms of being a "pure" theory. The problem is not that the music is more important than the ideas we have about it (if only because it's impossible to say where the former stops and the latter begins), but that an idea developed in isolation from the music it purportedly explains becomes a flawed idea immediately, losing the subtlety and mutability it might otherwise have, and secretly importing faded memories of past experiences of past music to fill in its necessary gaps.

All of my many arguments with k-punk come back to this central point: while he's right to say that a theory of music has meaning and validity in its own right, for me it is inescapably something that needs to be motivated or provoked by the experience of the music to have any real purchase or truth value.

Where this becomes interesting for funky is that i think funky poses a challenge to a lot of these ideas to become (because smarter, more nuanced) versions of themselves. The original idea of the HC seems to have been inspired in large part by the challenge of explaining the odd combinations of transformation and fidelity (with respect to prior genres such as jungle) which 2-step presented. Over the years this explanation has become very "neat"; funky, which doesn't have something like the 2-step beat to organise itself around conceptually, is a lot more difficult to explain, which means that any explanatory theory has to be a lot smarter to be convincing.

Tim F, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 04:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

sometimes i hear DONAE-O DONAAAAEEE-OOOOO in my sleep

man, i love collages (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 08:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

also, i for one am ecstatic to be able to put this on a year end list

http://www.tower.com/this-is-uk-funky-house-vol-1-various-artists-cd/wapi/113463229

man, i love collages (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 08:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

a question that popped into my head as i unsuccessfully attempted to wreck the dance floor w/ some funky at a party last weekend: if you don't want to dance to funky house, are you dead inside y/n?

man, i love collages (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 08:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

i definitely don't want to turn the funky thread into a cuntinuum argument but i was at the UEL conference melissa mentioned and it was pretty great - kode9 and kodwo eshun's paper was excellent for all the reasons she mentioned, and dan hancox and joe muggs were brilliant in comprehensively debunking the entire cuntinuum idea. in particular i enjoyed joe bringing some i-was-there expertise to point out that the HC idea is an exclusionary and inaccurate representation of the 90s, not just something which is past its sell-by date as i think we all agree. i'd link to dan and joe's papers but i don't think they're online anywhere yet. (the nadir of the debate was kpunk spluttering about how artists don't have anything to say about music, and in fact only exist as "agents of the nuum" [ay ya ya] rather than individuals in their own right. everyone laughed at him, gratifyingly.) (i missed his own paper though as i was interviewing tori amos, whose own brand of academic babble was definitely preferable.)

back to funky! yeah at any given time i tend to have DONAEO, DONAEEEOOOO or CRAY-ZEE COUSINZ! CRAY-ZEE COUSINZ! or even "mwah mwah mwah" in my head.

lex pretend, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 08:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

a question that popped into my head as i unsuccessfully attempted to wreck the dance floor w/ some funky at a party last weekend: if you don't want to dance to funky house, are you dead inside y/n?

yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy there is no question. i don't get people who don't get funky.

lex pretend, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 08:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

and i wish all of you could come to funky nights w/me and the crew btw. as well as night slugs tomorrow, i'm hoping to reach air @ ghost on sat...

lex pretend, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 08:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

I wish I'd read this thread before attempting to listen to the Cooly G mix because I actually turned off after about 10mins as it was reminding me way too much of the, erm, nu-skool breaks continuum. I'll give it another go.

Enormous Epic (Matt DC), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 08:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

cooly g interview btw

What's the story behind Narst and Love Dub?

I made Love Dub on Sunday afternoon when I was chilling with my mate. I had my computer ready to go and I said “Oi bruv, I’m gonna make a banger right now, I can feel it…” He was like “Yeah man, I’m gonna kick back and watch”. So Love Dub came out like that, then I uploaded it that night. It’s about a boy I think I used to love and we broke up and and I missed him a lot.

lex pretend, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 08:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

"Everyone was welcome, and immediately granted the status of auteur of their own style of soca-aerobics"

excellent line.

cool and amusing piece all in all, tho despite the 'fuck all this intellectual over analysing!', it does seem like just another person adding their own 2 (admittedly wittier, less self important) pence to the harcore um, theorum. im sure SR will respond on his blog at some point with his rebuttal, and then MB will respond with hers, and so on and so on. i did like the point about the fact there even IS a continuum being blatantly obvious though - i like SR's writing but often the fact hes such a good writer means everyone forgets that sometimes he just states the bleeding obvious, like a lot of what he wrote in that guardian piece about samples/massive attack.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 08:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, the fact that simon doesn't get funky is a massive black mark, I just think it doesn't necessarily disprove (his version of) the theory { .... }

Where this becomes interesting for funky is that i think funky poses a challenge to a lot of these ideas to become (because smarter, more nuanced) versions of themselves.funky, which doesn't have something like the 2-step beat to organise itself around conceptually, is a lot more difficult to explain

Seth Brundle: The computer is giving us its interpretation... of a steak. It's, uh translating it for us; it's rethinking it, rather than *reproducing* it, and something is getting lost in the translation.

Ronnie: Me... I'm lost.

Seth Brundle: The flesh. It should make the computer, uh crazy. Like those old ladies pinching babies. But it doesn't; not yet because I haven't taught the computer to be made crazy by the...

{smiles at Ronnie}

Seth Brundle: flesh. The poetry of the steak. So, I'm gonna start teaching it now.

basically, from my point of view any solely structural modelisation of funky will remain - whilst quite possibly being, superficially speaking, pretty watertight - inadequate in terms of really explaining the animus of the scene. cos the funky esemplasm is reynolds' theoretical binary of flesh & bone fused into one, surely, wherein the warp & weft of the cognitive desires pertaining to "flava" are the equally dominant processual partners to the underpinning rhythmic matrix, which acts as more of an amniotic suspension than a skeletal frame as such.

upthread, matt dc is correct on two points: continually emphasising the idea of funky as a zone of infinite fluxional context, and recognizing what i once termed wrt to bassline the scene's "strong and indiscriminate nostalgic undertow" (by that i mean, well, take your pick - 'funky pulse', the 'show me love' refix, the 'ripgroove' tease throughout lil silva's 'different', 'in the morning', footloose the other week playing black russian's 'soul gypsy' - a boot of soul ii soul over 'gypsy woman' - and you not even noticing how insane it all is. though i'd also argue that this isn't something only localised to funky but is socioculturally endemic in the fabric of everything nowadays, globally; what popular notion of the future even exists any longer besides most guys' style icon apparently being marty mcfly?) as the chief source of antagonism to diehard k-punkian political continuuists; mcluhan's old "looking forward through the rearview mirror" chestnut, supposedly so riven with self-deception as to stall the engine entirely, or better yet what you get when something is both centrifugal and centripetal - stasis? (call it all hauntology and it's a-ok though, obviously.)

i dunno, the way i see it, simplistically speaking in order for nuum theory to survive it needs to develop something of a psychoanalytic approach towards acknowledging the subjectivity of the funky scenius. even maybe schizoanalytic, in the words of felix guattari, whose chaosmosis i ventured to put forth earlier, and which i believe tries to advance what he calls an ethico-aesthetic paradigm rather than a merely scientific one. tbh i ain't really read it yet boss, but i'm reckoning it'll do nicely once other people get stuck into it for me. it also won't stop me from saying that the reynolds' energy flash needs to become a transversal flash - heyo!

eshun's gimp (r|t|c), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 12:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

back to funky! yeah at any given time i tend to have DONAEO, DONAEEEOOOO or CRAY-ZEE COUSINZ! CRAY-ZEE COUSINZ! or even "mwah mwah mwah" in my head.

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 09:19 (4 hours ago)

the worst one for this i find is "RIDDIM BOX-OX-OX-OX", murmuring evilly thru my daydreams.

haha eek, i originally typoed "murdmuring" there btw.

r|t|c, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 12:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

also i think i must have spent too much time with sharkey p, cos that cooly g quote is reading like some bad nuum erotica to me right now.

r|t|c, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 12:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

even you admit that the shouts and repping stay with you...i just want the music to stay with me, fuck the repping. nothing wrong with personal opinion on that point, thus no reason to call me an idiot.

also: To my mind it basically means populist big-room house that is neither too electroid nor too subtle, as said by tim f....thus, tho i've read this entire thread, i wonder how someone could possibly argue that this music is potentially sonically revolutionary? that seems a bit fucking much to me-- some of it is quite good, yes, but it is by no means revolutionary.

the table is the table, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 13:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

r|t|c, I hope the third paragraph performance doesn't mean you don't really believe in the first two paragraphs, because I agree with them 100% (not talking about the stuff in italics. Is that a Cronenberg reference or something).

In fact this idea:

"wherein the warp & weft of the cognitive desires pertaining to "flava" are the equally dominant processual partners to the underpinning rhythmic matrix, which acts as more of an amniotic suspension than a skeletal frame as such."

... is pretty much exactly what I was thinking but less neatly.

That's my point re the 2-step beat: despite UK Garage being less easily absorbed within a straight k-punk futureshock narrative than jungle (because, like, how do you theoretically explain the visceral intuitive certainty that the Sunship Remix of "Flowers" is perfection embodied?), nonetheless the beat becomes a get-out-of-jail-free card for inflexible theorists, letting them pay lipservice to a futurism they may not fully believe in anyway - they can acknowledge the bones so that they can overlook those aspects of the flesh that trouble them.

I think you're right that funky is where the flesh/bones distinction starts to break down - even the beat structures could be entered into the "flava" column, that "strong and indiscriminate nostalgic undertow" extends to the very rhythm patterns of tracks as diverse as "Seasons" ("I Luv U"), "In The Morning" (Bugz in the Attic), "Frontline" (Davinche) etc. Whereas 2-step's engagement with flava was hierarchically ordered by the beat, in funky it's more like all the elements come into constellation with one another, such that it's impossible to point definitively to one particular quality that renders a tune "UK funky" on a sonic level; the "funky" as such is in the covalent interrelationship. This is most obvious with the complicated history of tunes like DJ Gregory's "Don't Panic" and Suges' "We Belong To The Night" - both already anthems before they got varying vocal treatments, but somehow becoming more funky afterwards. I don't think this ever really happened with 2-step; the need for beat simpatico was always the overriding concern.

One thing I've been thinking about a lot, and it ties in with "if you don't want to dance to funky house, are you dead inside y/n?", is the question "what ears does funky demand of its listener/dancer ?" In other words, what is the manner of listening (or thinking about listening) appropriate to funky?

It's not something I can describe in full (not yet at any rate, and probably not ever entirely) but I think a part of it is a state of mind in which enjoyment of inadvertent eclecticism (not eclecticism proper - ooh let's follow x with y - but the eclecticism of a single "genre" which seems to entail and even require a constant diversity of strategies) becomes more than incidental or additional and assumes a position of, if not necessarily centrality, then something close to it. I feel like sequencing in mixes is even more important in funky than it was in UK garage, the way tracks collide into one another with totally opposing flavours and structures and yet, however briefly, become entangled and implicated within one another in a manner that works. In that sense the function of the house beat and the house tempo is as a kind of open space in which those kinds of collisions and transformations can occur, perhaps with more easily achieved success than was always possible in UK Garage (where it could be very difficult to find two grooves that sounded good with one another for more than a couple of bars. Probably the other influencing factor is that a lot of these tracks are very much like grime in their construction, occasionally verging on 1-bar loops, so the jumps from track to track assume more importance).

Ugh too tired to force further thoughts out but I want to come back to this.

Tim F, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 13:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

table is the table, that description of mine you just quoted was with respect to "funky house" of the last ten years, not uk funky.

Perhaps if you tell me what you've listened to I can understand where you're coming from a bit better.

Tim F, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 13:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

t's impossible to point definitively to one particular quality that renders a tune "UK funky" on a sonic level

i'm sure this right but in my head the dominant rhythmic signifier of funky (O--XO-X-) is pretty much as clear as that of 2 step (O-X--O-X) tho there probably are more variations within the former (sorry any excuse to write 4 beat drum patterns using O, X and -)

Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 13:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

How am i supposed to read those drum patterns steve?

Tim F, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 13:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

O = bassdrum
- = unused beat
X = snare

i fear i have written both wrong tho, that would be REALLY embarrassing

Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 13:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

oh-- then forget i quoted you. i've listened to a bunch of the Crazy Cousinz mixes, some donaeo, a lot of Kyla's stuff....

I guess that it just comes back to one of my original points, which is that a lot of this UK funky stuff is quite good, but it isn't anything new-- the same sonic pallettes and rhythm structures have been used for years and years...I mean, an example-- the excellent Black Coffee track above is similar structurally to a great number of MAW productions. that isn't knocking it, but i feel like the 'THIS IS REVOLUTIONARY' pronouncements that some are bandying about are just people looking to claim something as revolutionary. it's dance music, it's for people to dance and fuck to-- that's pretty elemental, and it all just depends on what one wants to dance and fuck to. i'd readily dance to some of this uk funky, but i'd definitely rather dance to a live set from an Ibadan producer like Tiger Stripes or almost ANY Strictly producer-- just a preference.

the table is the table, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 13:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

now i take my leave-- tho this thread has been illuminating. thanks, tim, for not being a jerk, and i'm sorry if i was one at times. my american attitude, no doubt.

the table is the table, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 13:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

It's just that the tracks you're talking about are almost certainly weighted down at the house-sounding end of the scene.

By way of comparison, Mos' Wanted's tracks on his myspace page - check "Different Lekstrix" and "Frozen" in particular - share zero in common with ibadan/strictly. The same applies for Lil Silva. And they're just two examples among many.

As someone who also loves Ibadan and Strictly Rhythm I can say this confidently!

Tim F, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 14:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

Not that I'm saying UK funky has to be distanced from US house to be good or interesting, but you're notion of what the scene is comprised of seems way off base to me.

Tim F, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 14:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

argh your notion your notion your notion

Tim F, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 14:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

Okay-- will listen later today, on the bus! thx.

the table is the table, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 14:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

'Different Lekstrix' reminds me of Ellen Allien or some other boppin' German techno (think this comparison has come up before with some other stuff?)

Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 14:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

In other news, the Ill Blu remix is Shystie's "Pull It" is fab.

Also oi does anyone know that track Mak 10 plays with what sound like the bass riffs from Donaeo's "Bounce" and a cut-up male vocal going (what sounds like) "Getongetongetit!"??

Tim F, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 14:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that stuff is rather different, though from the (disappointingly short!) Lil Silva clips, I think I like this stuff-- grime and soca beats with dirty Detroit tech synths. I think I'm gonna go surfing for some of his stuff.

Yeah, now I can understand a bit more of the talk, Tim. I still don't think it is revolutionary, but the Lil Silva and Mos Wanted stuff is clearly completely unconnected to MAW and Ibadan...so thanks.

the table is the table, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 15:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

i'm sure this right but in my head the dominant rhythmic signifier of funky (O--XO-X-) is pretty much as clear as that of 2 step (O-X--O-X) tho there probably are more variations within the former (sorry any excuse to write 4 beat drum patterns using O, X and -)

The thing is that the rhythms in funky are much more flexible than that. I'd even say that very few funky tunes follow that simple soca/reggaeton pattern. "Do You Mind" for one, but most of the tunes that have followed have used more complex drumbeats with any variety of syncopated snare patterns over a 4/4, or maybe not. I don't think it can be claimed that there is one dominant rhythmic pattern. When I get home I'll post a few different funky drumbeats to illustrate.

The-Reverend (rev), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 19:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

from looking at some of the analysis in this post, you lot can never talk shit about people posting on dissensus again.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 19:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

haha otm

The-Reverend (rev), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 19:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

Mak 10 & Shantie ruling my life atm

look at you: lookin' like a lobster (tpp), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 20:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

My post was pretty standard naval gazing on my part, and I'm 80% sure r|t|c is joking with all that schizoanalysis talk.

Tim F, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 21:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

I wanted to mention that I totally disagree with the idea that the artist is the authority on their own work. k-punk's idea of "agents of the nuum" sounds dicky but I think it's basically correct to say that artists are rarely the best people to explain the quality and the functioning of their own work - being a good musician doesn't automatically make you a good critic, even a good self-critic.

After a couple of years of being a music critic I decided I no longer wanted to do artist interviews because 4 out of 5 artists will have really dispiriting or at the very least boring takes on their own music. I got sick of pretending I wasn't annoyed by it, and feeling like the quality of my articles was being dragged down by dubious "insights" provided by the subject matter.

A really good example was interviewing Frankie Knuckles: he dismissed all his pre-90s output as soulless machine crap...

Lex the fact that you skipped some of the conference in order to speak to Tori Amos (whose explanations usually detract from the enjoyment of whatever song she's talking about) should make this obvious!

DJs are often better interviewees in this regard because they spend a lot of time thinking about other people's records and how they fit into a context - in some senses a DJ set is a lot like a thinkpiece. This supports (or is supported by) chuck eddy's contention that music critics aren't frustrated wannabe musicians so much as frustrated wannabe DJs.

Certainly with dance music, the intentions of the author or the context of production will rarely have any direct bearing on how the music is experienced in its primary states of reception (be it on the dancefloor or in the car or wherever). It's nice to read about the backstory for "Love Dub" but that has no bearing on whether it works as a track, or how it works as a track.

Tim F, Thursday, 14 May 2009 06:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

hah tim, the schizo was a joke insofar as i don't really hold the bestest grasp of the term, yeah (does anyone?) - but my intentions were entirely genuine (as indeed throughout) in the sense that from what little i've read i do actually think it could be a useful text within the sphere of this particular parlour game ("within reason", heh); this was in reply to reynolds, after all. and whilst i was obviously having myself a little stylistic promenade there (cronenberg quote 4 the tru junglist intro clearly!), quite why you schoolmarmishly dismiss that one paragraph - and not uh, the one with the esemplastic modelised processuality or anything - as "performance" probably sez more about you & yours than it does about me, no?

not to mention you then going on to begin to address the funky "state of mind" anyway.

also table is the table, i hope tim reasoning with you on a track by track basis doesn't just make you transfer over your lust of the "revolutionary" over to a different strand of funky that you happen to be less familiar with - i'm not saying some tracks aren't original and excellent and all, but the key thing here is how old, new, borrowed and blue are all uncannily commingling now under one cognitive flag so to speak.