Tim F, now is your time to shine.
― Not The Other One (Mr Andy M), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 14:52 (10 months ago) Permalink
Where does the line come between funky, jackin and afrobeats? I still don't really understand the differences clearly.
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 26 July 2012 17:16 (10 months ago) Permalink
I'm not ignoring this thread btw.
― Tim F, Thursday, 26 July 2012 21:21 (10 months ago) Permalink
I don't think afrobeats really has a line (because afrobeats is an umbrella term rather than a genre or scene per se), there could be funky afrobeats and for that matter jackin afrobeats if the artists in question fancy it.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 26 July 2012 21:25 (10 months ago) Permalink
Well I'm not an expert either but I think it mostly comes down to the different kind of beats. Funky = beats with clave/3:2 type snare patterns at about 130bpm. Jackin = much straighter-sounding beats with the snares on the 2 and the 4 in each bar. I think Jackin tunes tend to be slightly slower too, closer to 120bpm but could well be wrong on this. Afrobeats is a bit more diverse and harder to pin down. Some of the beat patterns are def similar to Funky, but the genre covers a lot of different types of beats at different tempos. The main thing that marks it out is obv the influence from African music, and a lot tunes have vocals or MCing done in West African accents + patois. That's the other thing that separates it from Funky and Jackin, it's more heavily vocal/song orientated.
― Not The Other One (Mr Andy M), Thursday, 26 July 2012 21:34 (10 months ago) Permalink
why does it have such a terrible name
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 26 July 2012 21:36 (10 months ago) Permalink
Terrible names are just a tradition in uk dance music at this stage tbh.
― Not The Other One (Mr Andy M), Thursday, 26 July 2012 21:41 (10 months ago) Permalink
Great name duh.
― Tim F, Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:09 (10 months ago) Permalink
is this a thing? how is it different to...house music
these were basically the only tracks on the summer jams thread that weren't amazing, right?
― lex pretend, Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:12 (10 months ago) Permalink
wrong.
― Tim F, Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:22 (10 months ago) Permalink
hey i put dj ma1 in mix and you still don't listen whys that
― the late great, Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:24 (10 months ago) Permalink
i'm sorry i misunderstood this to be about acid house, not a subgenre of funky
― the late great, Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:25 (10 months ago) Permalink
It's not really different to house music (at this stage) - comparable to late 06 / 07 funky in that regard, with different sonic reference points.
Which means it has roughly the same capacity for greatness as you might expect of music "not really different to house music" - quite a lot as it turns out! But I'm not obsessed with it the way I was with funky this time four years ago.
I can't post youtubes at the moment but suffice to say Hannam and Garnett's "you want me" is total top five of the year.
― Tim F, Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:27 (10 months ago) Permalink
i am ignoring this thread btw
― r|t|c, Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:29 (10 months ago) Permalink
what a terrible start to the thread.
Good luck with this Tim, this stuff comes in for a hella amount of stick. I'm sick of trying to defend it to people already.
― Benny B, Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:30 (10 months ago) Permalink
Haha. Use of "partisans"?
― Tim F, Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:30 (10 months ago) Permalink
(Xpost)
― Tim F, Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:32 (10 months ago) Permalink
"you want me" just made me want to listen to the sadie ama original
― lex pretend, Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:33 (10 months ago) Permalink
afaik 'jackin' house' takes some of the elements of bassline but combines with a more traditional house (or maybe electro-house) palette. it's fun and it reminds me of when producers from the grime/garage/dubstep scenes started fuckin' with house properly and there was a year or so where it felt like that music could really go anywhere.
in my personal exp. the ppl i know who are heavily into uk-centric dance music scenes don't really seem to fuck with house that much (apart from a few uk ppl who are deemed releveant). i attribute this (and i could be totes wrong) to house being so daunting and ~unknowable~ where as grime or garage or whatever is more easily geeked over and fetishised. so for me, when these uk producers open up their sound in this way it is really exciting and opens up so many possibilities.
big fan of that nick hannam ft. tom zanetti track & the nick hannam track that samples robin thicke. there really is very little separating 'you want me' sonically from the house music that is massively popular in london/rest of europe rite now apart from the AWESOME, AWESOME rap. always find it interesting to see on facebook how the tom zanetti raves seem to have hot creations house ppl and big garage names on the same bill.
― hardhouse banter (tpp), Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:34 (10 months ago) Permalink
also notwithstanding that several of my favourite dance tracks of the year are based on r&b samples, i am sick to death of listening to new dance songs and hearinga familiar cut-up voice hove into view today
i hear one which sampled "promise" yesterday - i forget where or what, it doesn't matter - and literally turned to yell at the computer. LEAVE CIARA ALONE
― lex pretend, Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:35 (10 months ago) Permalink
^ I'll give You Want Me a listen in a bit (got the radio on just now).I think the main thing that's holding me back with this genre is something like... there's been a few tunes I've heard that I've liked a lot (mostly ones posted on that 'Certified Jacking' youtube channel), but they've seemed like 'exceptions to the rule' kind of tunes, and I don't like being in that kind of relation with a genre. Part of why I fell so hard for funky is that at its peak (for me) I could love the whole breadth of vibes right across the scene. But there's been tonnes of Jackin' tunes that people have showed me and I've just felt like 'nah that's naff' and a lot of them as far as I know are fairly representative of where the sound is at right now.I'm aware this all sounds like hand-wringing.(xpost to Tim)
― Not The Other One (Mr Andy M), Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:35 (10 months ago) Permalink
I think Hannam is signed to Hot Creations now?
― Tim F, Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:35 (10 months ago) Permalink
also "you want me" just fades out randomly? i assume that's not how it's meant to be but don't give me that incomplete shit to listen to thanks very much
― lex pretend, Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:36 (10 months ago) Permalink
The Dissensus Jackin' thread for anyone interested:http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?11791-Jackin-Electroline
― Not The Other One (Mr Andy M), Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:37 (10 months ago) Permalink
you can buy the full version of you want me off bigtunesmp3.com
its my favourite tune
― Benny B, Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:41 (10 months ago) Permalink
― lex pretend, Thursday, 26 July 2012 10:36 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Alright everybody, clear out. This thread Jackin' House has been cancelled.
― Tim F, Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:51 (10 months ago) Permalink
― the late great, Thursday, 26 July 2012 10:24 PM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I didn't see this?
but also in truth I'm not much of a MA1 fan...
― Tim F, Thursday, 26 July 2012 23:18 (10 months ago) Permalink
it was the dva remix which i thought just sounded surprisingly like a good ny tribal / deep house track, ditto most stuff i like on roska kicks snares
dissensus thread is awesome
like we have all these big name producers with no sense of a sound, no scenius, all their releases such a big deal, and none of that hardcore vibe of producers just putting out fuck loads of tunes that just do the business on the dance floor
― the late great, Thursday, 26 July 2012 23:22 (10 months ago) Permalink
imagining it this voice
eet hazza no scene-e-us!
― the late great, Thursday, 26 July 2012 23:23 (10 months ago) Permalink
vahid in that case there are about 20 billion sunday roast productions waiting for you.
― Tim F, Thursday, 26 July 2012 23:55 (10 months ago) Permalink
oh nice
are they any good or are they like 20 billion jamie jones associates
― the late great, Thursday, 26 July 2012 23:56 (10 months ago) Permalink
in case there's any confusion i mean "i'm leaving" which basically sounds like a slightly more afrocaribbean ("africanism?") version of the nuyorican soul thing
― the late great, Thursday, 26 July 2012 23:57 (10 months ago) Permalink
i always pitch it way up too, if anything it's too laid-back and straight
― the late great, Thursday, 26 July 2012 23:58 (10 months ago) Permalink
some are good but it gets pretty wearying.
― Tim F, Friday, 27 July 2012 00:57 (10 months ago) Permalink
I've only started listening to some of this, there seems to be a love of sampling really super recognizable vocals & wacky clips from movies.
― MikoMcha, Friday, 27 July 2012 08:38 (10 months ago) Permalink
so this is basically moombahton at a faster tempo?
― boxedjoy, Friday, 27 July 2012 10:03 (10 months ago) Permalink
i would send you a link tim but of course like jamie jones associates and sunday roast productions there are 20 billion online mixes to listen to and some are good but it gets pretty wearying
― the late great, Friday, 27 July 2012 10:06 (10 months ago) Permalink
having said that it's in the first mix / newest mix here but i don't think you'll care much for it because it's not about scenius it's about my imaginary world where everything is one big detroit continuum
― the late great, Saturday, 28 July 2012 05:38 (10 months ago) Permalink
also it has nothing to do w/ the proper "jackin house" on this thread
― the late great, Saturday, 28 July 2012 05:42 (10 months ago) Permalink
I will check it!
― Tim F, Saturday, 28 July 2012 05:51 (10 months ago) Permalink
thanks i'm curious about how it comes off ... it's kind of a classicist frankendance i guess, "good taste" at a remove of anywhere from 1k to 5k miles from the source
― the late great, Saturday, 28 July 2012 06:22 (10 months ago) Permalink
Meanwhile here's some jackin' house:
Nick Hannam & Tom Garnett ft. Tom Zanetti - You Want Me
Tom Zanetti Ko Kane & Lorenzo - Summertime
Jamie Duggan ft. The Alliance & Viollet - Swagger
Ill Phil & MC Sim - Away We Go
― Tim F, Saturday, 28 July 2012 06:52 (10 months ago) Permalink
De Contrabande - Bucky Done Gun
Francois ft. Louis Benton- I Can Say
Carl Flanagan ft. Farrah - Superman
awesome
― the late great, Saturday, 28 July 2012 07:35 (10 months ago) Permalink
i just love "away we go" so much. hypnotising
THERE'S MORE TO ME THAN THE EYES CAN SEEI AM THE LOCK, THE HANDLE AND KEYFOR THE DOOR THAT'S HINGED ON ETERNITY
― uberweiss, Saturday, 28 July 2012 09:40 (10 months ago) Permalink
After having the owl/ufo bass from 'You Want Me' running in my head for two days straight, I have to say Jackin is growing on me. I think the electro part turned me off initially, but the skippy beats, warpy owl bass, cheeky/cheesy samples, and blatant drugginess on some of these tracks is winning me over.
― Astrochimp32, Saturday, 28 July 2012 18:18 (10 months ago) Permalink
I think I like about half of those youtubes. Was vibing quite a bit to Away We Go earlier. A lot of the tunes I like sound a bit like slightly slower, slightly straighter equivalents to the garagey bits DJ Q plays. A lot of this stuff has an enjoyable effortless sort of feel to it. Might try and post more coherent thoughts later, but yeah I'm coming round to it a bit.
― Not The Other One (Mr Andy M), Saturday, 28 July 2012 18:51 (10 months ago) Permalink
Also off-topic but TLG I enjoyed your mix (and other ones that you've posted in the Mixes For Download thread).
― Not The Other One (Mr Andy M), Saturday, 28 July 2012 18:52 (10 months ago) Permalink
thanks andy!
― the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:39 (10 months ago) Permalink
Seriously who the hell came up with the name? There's only one kind of jackin house. It's from Chicago and it existed two decades ago. And by jackin they really meant JACKIN. I don't hear any jack here.
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Sunday, 29 July 2012 21:30 (10 months ago) Permalink
Do you mean his 2010 Rinse CD? That's uk funky not jackin' house.
I thought it was very good but the absence of MCs means it's not as amazing as his best radio sets from 2008 - 2011 era.
Marcus now plays some jackin' house sets which is what r|t|c is referring to.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 04:18 (10 months ago) Permalink
Has Jack Daniels seen those graphics yet?
http://mashable.com/2012/07/22/jack-daniels-trademark-letter/
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 04:51 (10 months ago) Permalink
o i c
― the late great, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:13 (10 months ago) Permalink
Are there any good Jackin mixes out there other than those two Marcus Nasty ones?
― Astrochimp32, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 18:04 (10 months ago) Permalink
Just posted this to the favorite mixes thread: Superbad Bass Lounge #002 | A-level Results Mix | Mixed By: Nick Hannam
http://soundcloud.com/nick-hannam/hannam-superbad-mix
― MikoMcha, Monday, 10 September 2012 16:35 (9 months ago) Permalink
Tune!
Dene Antony - A Feeling (Joe Barnes Bootleg)
― MikoMcha, Monday, 10 September 2012 16:36 (9 months ago) Permalink
Okay how do I download this mix.
― Tim F, Monday, 10 September 2012 21:15 (9 months ago) Permalink
right click?
― just sayin, Monday, 10 September 2012 21:19 (9 months ago) Permalink
Excellent!
Is there an obvious way to create that link from the soundcloud page that I'm missing?
― Tim F, Monday, 10 September 2012 21:33 (9 months ago) Permalink
view source, a do a find forstreamUrl":"http://media.soundcloud.com/stream/then copy and paste everything inside the double quotes starting with http://media.soundcloud.com/stream/in this case that's http://media.soundcloud.com/stream/iMHd65pdtNPy?stream_token=ktNzd― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Sunday, January 9, 2011 3:23 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
streamUrl":"http://media.soundcloud.com/stream/
then copy and paste everything inside the double quotes starting with http://media.soundcloud.com/stream/
in this case that's http://media.soundcloud.com/stream/iMHd65pdtNPy?stream_token=ktNzd
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Sunday, January 9, 2011 3:23 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― just sayin, Monday, 10 September 2012 21:50 (9 months ago) Permalink
Cheers, thanks.
― Tim F, Monday, 10 September 2012 21:51 (9 months ago) Permalink
Hannah Wants - Mixtape 1012
http://soundcloud.com/hannah_wants/hannah-wants-mixtape-1012
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 12:31 (8 months ago) Permalink
i don't even know if that's proper "jackin" or what but i like it
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 12:42 (8 months ago) Permalink
Would love to see a Jackin' Refix of Carly Rae Jepsen's "Kiss"
...also there was an amazing snippet of a Jamie Oliver track ("Doin' Time") floating around on a random club vid posted on Dissensus. Pretty sure it snatched its vocals from a Sublime song.
I'm starting to like this stuff almost as much as I did Funky back in the early days.
― matt damon & the jb's (the anephric project), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:09 (8 months ago) Permalink
http://www.mixcloud.com/OneLoveATX/onelove-thepromisedland2-livekarmalounge-may21st2011/
appears to be on here
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:14 (8 months ago) Permalink
curses i thought this was interzone, don't wanna be seen on this foul thread
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:16 (8 months ago) Permalink
You want this thread really.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:18 (8 months ago) Permalink
From a recent Hannah Wants mix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjczK8Og2CU
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 6 June 2013 07:37 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
there's a sequel/remix to that now which is even better and weirder... in true jackin style they called it "dorothy's armpit"
― r|t|c, Thursday, 6 June 2013 11:21 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
Must hear it, that track is amazing, darkside vibes. Chris Lorenzo is some kind of genius.
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 6 June 2013 11:50 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
ya it's on one of the recent 2:31 rinse sets but i forget which unfortunately
― r|t|c, Thursday, 6 June 2013 11:51 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
22nd of May is Lorenzo and Shorterz, I'll try that.
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 6 June 2013 11:56 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
wait got it now, 58:45 on 29th may
― r|t|c, Thursday, 6 June 2013 12:00 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
http://www.kissfmuk.com/hannahwants/2013/06/tracklist-010613/http://radioplayer.kissfmuk.com/la807581/hannah-wants/
you know hannah wants has a weekly show on kiss btw?
― r|t|c, Thursday, 6 June 2013 12:03 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
"Evil" "Dangerous"
lol
Thanks for chasing that down. Amazing. I think I need to hear the rest of this show.
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 6 June 2013 12:05 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
Yeah, I did she that she has a show. I'm going to try and catch her in London this month.
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 6 June 2013 12:06 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
yeah the 2:31 shows are v good... not wild omg stuff the way jackin nuum hype (or the marcus nasty 2012 sets) implies but a true representation of how the midlands crew puts its spin on today's house n bass sphere. strictly speaking i don't see jackin as really existing any more tbh, at least not the way it did last year
think you'll find as you listen your question on the ukpopbass thread answers itself better than anyone could possibly tell you (within ten thousand words anyway)
― r|t|c, Thursday, 6 June 2013 12:24 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
I need to dig deeper and follow those guys more closely, but the midlands house sound, whatever you want to call it, has a druggier, ravier vibe than anything else in UK dance I've heard for a while. This show from the 29th has more echoey, stutter vision, deep house effects circa late 90s early 00s than anything on the pop thread (but also with Bassline inflections)
It is also clear that Hannah Wants has shifted into a slightly more "sophisticated" sound than what she was playing when I checked her mixes out last year. Kind of hope she doesn't go further down that path though. Her mixtape 0513 is pretty much perfect imo.
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 6 June 2013 12:45 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
I love tunes like "Dorothy's Forest" and "Kneadin" that are basically these compulsive broken machine loops, like they take the name "jackin" way way way more seriously than everything else does.
― Tim F, Thursday, 6 June 2013 13:45 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
are there any other threads like this?
― ... (LocalGarda), Thursday, 6 June 2013 13:50 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
What do you mean
― Tim F, Thursday, 6 June 2013 13:56 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
Vocal on "Kneadin" reminds me of Omni Trio.
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 6 June 2013 14:00 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
Also great, very late 90s prog-house to my ears...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDPc-wFhmew
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 6 June 2013 14:06 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
From the other thread, but this probably belongs here as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Qo_OI_4nJgk
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 6 June 2013 14:08 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
At the risk of spamming the thread with YouTube links, after going through Cause & Effect Soundcloud and ID'ing some tracks, Operation 60 and Dreams are also great.
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 6 June 2013 14:15 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
i very much like 'the tickle' too
this is the monster right now though:
― r|t|c, Thursday, 6 June 2013 14:31 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
this one's great
but then like, there's also this outside of lorenzoland if u see what i mean
― r|t|c, Thursday, 6 June 2013 14:45 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
these last couple of 2:31s have been absolutely firing
― r|t|c, Friday, 14 June 2013 01:09 (6 days ago) Permalink
Haha, was listening to a 2:31 set and thinking "what the fuck is this amazing tune?", then realised it could only be "Dorothy's Armpit".
"The Tickle" is great too, yes.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 21:59 (Yesterday) Permalink
if it happens to be the 5th june one then there's a tune of c&a's at 54 mins or so that is thee very zenith of yr "compulsive broken machine loops", more or less just a clanking 8 bar riddim
on the most recent 12th june they actually premier an official(!) remix of a new newham generals tune and they sound to the grimey manor born. so nice to hear d double on something decent again!
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 22:12 (Yesterday) Permalink
Yeah it's the 12th June set I'm listening to. Will listen to the 5th.
What's the baile funk sampling tune later in the 12th set? That also fits the bill perfectly.
Also the remix of "Jack" at 89 minutes.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 22:19 (Yesterday) Permalink
Which I should stress is totally amazing.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 22:20 (Yesterday) Permalink
i'm just getting round to the second hour of 12th june now, left it at the newgens track
the best periods of these last couple of shows have been when they just get their heads down and do banging driving in-the-pocket house sets (like what normals think of jackin i suppose) only with the current tools at hand. very exciting, makes me want to get a gym membership
also their occasional throwback record of the week slot is invariably excellent and cratediggy, i must go back thru and note them all down
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 22:23 (Yesterday) Permalink
Actually I think it's the track just before "Jack" I'm talking about.
Real time education going on here.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 22:23 (Yesterday) Permalink
Haha yes I've already tested the first half of this set at the gym, it's a perfect soundtrack.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 22:24 (Yesterday) Permalink
the funny thing about these sets is that for me they've rekindled my enthusiasm for jackin (well, belief in its agency rather) but also made me surer than ever that viewing jackin as some wild isolated sui generis tribe is totally the wrong way to gain any meaningful purchase on it
basically i think these might the first mixes that arent just a showcase of great tracks but articulate the true vibe fully
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 22:37 (Yesterday) Permalink
http://soundcloud.com/pete-graham/pete-graham-lorenzo-marina
oh the baile funk sampling tune!
omg i hear the the other one now. the wild west themed one with train crossing bell? idk what it is but YES it's brilliant
god i love how they either mix in or actually interpolate parts of 'marina gasolina' preceding to give it the full touch of evil mexican border town lawless twilight vibe
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 23:01 (Yesterday) Permalink
Yes, I've struggled with the question of whether enjoying jackin' in the context of, say, a DJ Q set, is getting a misreading on it the same way I would have considered to be the case for someone approaching funky via Oneman or whoever. Like, is there something inherently point-missing about the polystylistic pick'n'mix appraoch?
Obv. a key difference is the nature/character/context of the person doing the picking and mixing. But it also just feels like jackin' itself is less interested in constructing its own soundworld, is more open to and curious about the world around it, forms a cluster of intensity within a broader disseminated vibe-chain rather than establishing its own nation-state-of-vibe.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 23:06 (Yesterday) Permalink
yeah like i mean take for instance 'jack' playing now, at first you think oh right it's 'jack' big tune on the scene etc etc. but listen closer and isn't the crucial kinda weirdly queasy animal groaning that makes the track (counterintuitively not erotic at all in juxtaposition with the vocal) such a move totally at home amongst jackin - absolutely not appropriated by in dialogue, but something already there that jackin waxes and wanes on as it suits it
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 23:20 (Yesterday) Permalink
and after that the same taiki & nulight mix of ray foxx that dj q played just to underline the point
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 23:23 (Yesterday) Permalink