OTM.
― ice cr?m paint job (milo z), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:34 (fourteen years ago) link
not really because that's what he ended up pleading guilty to, isn't it? more like the existence/non-existence of consent is a distraction.
― steamed hams (harbl), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:37 (fourteen years ago) link
i mean in the surrounding discourse--people defending polanski, or at least condemning his arrest, latch on to the statutory thing in some kind of last-ditch "it was just called rape because she was young!" thing. when the transcript makes clear that she said "no," over and over and over again.
― fleetwood (max), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:39 (fourteen years ago) link
u should defend him , harbs
― velko, Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:39 (fourteen years ago) link
not to tell everyone what they already know, but the justice system is deeply screwed up in this country, and if you have any kind of clout, you get a better deal, from apprehension all the way to sentencing. just because one of "yours" gets a taste of what it is to be in the game and have that kind of clout for once, it's no reason to cheer.
― goole, Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:40 (fourteen years ago) link
harbl, rapist lawyer
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:40 (fourteen years ago) link
It seems the mystery is, why now? That they couldn't have taken him in before seems extremely dubious to me.
― A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link
when the transcript makes clear that she said "no," over and over and over again
Not often enough to convince Whoopi Goldberg
― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link
no thanx i'll leave it up to anne applebaum xpost
― steamed hams (harbl), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Call Harbl, Esq. when you've suffered enough
― velko, Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link
It seems the mystery is, why now?
Oh yeah, any ideas?
― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Funny we should talk about the Hollywood shock troops reaction - my officemate's grandfather was assistant director on "On the Waterfront" with Kazan, and he has some interesting stories about Kazan and his shunning by the Hollywood crowd.
Um ... he deserved worse than shunning.
― boring movies are the most boring (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:42 (fourteen years ago) link
extradition laws--they've tried to get him a few times before
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:42 (fourteen years ago) link
― fleetwood (max), Thursday, October 1, 2009 1:39 PM (2 minutes ago)
yeah but the thing is these people are idiots who don't understand laws to begin with
― steamed hams (harbl), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Hm. This is interesting.
more like the existence/non-existence of consent is a distraction. This is true. There is no POSSIBILITY for consent in this scenario. At least under California law at the time.
With regard to a 40+ having sex with a 13 year old, I have no problem whatsovever for the imposition of a statutory age of consent of somewhere older than 13.
― Adventures of Dog Boy and Frank Sobotka (B.L.A.M.), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:43 (fourteen years ago) link
also, can we get the Swiss to arrest Kissinger?
Maybe you guys should apply the same outrage to the president saying we have to "move forward" rather than prosecute Bush-era crimes.
― A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:43 (fourteen years ago) link
it was 16 iirc
It's election time in L.A. County, so that explains the renewed interest in capturing Polanski. But you know what? I don't care at all about the motivations behind reinstating the warrant 31 years after the fact. He's just as guilty now as he was then.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link
Whoopi Goldberg is a respected jurist
― velko, Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link
Obama's presidency isn't old enough to give consent yet, Morbs.
― boring movies are the most boring (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't think anyone is outraged
― omar little, Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link
― ice cr?m paint job (milo z), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link
more like "lol you really want to go out of your way to defend him?"
this would be kinda awesome. except that there's no warrant for Kissinger's arrest lolz
― the taint of Macca is strong (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:46 (fourteen years ago) link
X-post - It could also have to do with the recent movie re: Polanski, which goes to GREAT lengths to paint him in a very sympathetic light w/r/t his personal history, the Tate murder, the judicial screwing around with the case, etc.
Look - no one is saying that he hasn't led a difficult, roller coaster life - Holocaust, wife murdered, etc. But he raped a 13yo. Fuck him and his difficult life.
― Adventures of Dog Boy and Frank Sobotka (B.L.A.M.), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:47 (fourteen years ago) link
Morbs, you're making the same dumbass arguments that the actors are - the lack of punishment for some egregious crimes doesn't mean we should ignore them all. I think Kissinger's head on a pike would be lovely - but it's not going to happen, and that in no way excuses a child rapist from punishment.
― ice cr?m paint job (milo z), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:47 (fourteen years ago) link
he has to be in a country that will extradite and will arrest him on behalf of the US
Uh yeah, but doesn't he own a home in Switzerland? I assume he's been there at least once in the last 31 years.
― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:48 (fourteen years ago) link
Switzerland doesn't allow for extradition
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:48 (fourteen years ago) link
there's no warrant for Kissinger's arrest
There has been (not from America obv), and there could be more.
I am not excusing rape; I'm an agnostic on what should happen to RP at this point.
― A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:49 (fourteen years ago) link
they had to know ahead of time to have the warrant ready. i would say this is explained upthread but i think this is just a repeating thread all over
― steamed hams (harbl), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:50 (fourteen years ago) link
(whoops excuse me, i guess it's France that does that--not sure about Switzerland)
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:50 (fourteen years ago) link
I've read that Chile is very close to issuing one.
― Roman Polanski now sleeps in prison. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:50 (fourteen years ago) link
"Polanski featured in a national database listing people wanted abroad for crimes, but his name was one of thousands. Stefan von Below, a cantonal police spokesman said officers do not "actively hunt" down people unless they know exactly when and where that person will be.
So until someone tipped off Swiss authorities that the director would be landing at Zurich airport on September 26 en route to a festival honouring his work, Polanski was largely free to lay Swiss roots. After four decades, they'd grown deep."
Still something odd going on here
― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:52 (fourteen years ago) link
who cares though, is the thing
― omar little, Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:54 (fourteen years ago) link
^
― steamed hams (harbl), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:54 (fourteen years ago) link
like everyone is making these arguments at how outrageous the judge acted, how he's a filmmaker for god's sake, but the thing is it doesn't change what he did.
France does extradite, but doesn't have to extradite its own nationals to the US. A Kissinger warrant has been threatened for years.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:55 (fourteen years ago) link
People who think prosecution by whim is wrong, mebbe? xxp
anyhoo, fuckittybye
― A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:55 (fourteen years ago) link
fuck kitty?
― omar little, Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:56 (fourteen years ago) link
the SWISS BANKERS are getting LEANED ON by obama's SOCIALIST GOONS so they did him FAVOR by knocking his GOVT HEALTHSCARE TAKEOVER out of the news, even though it looks like they TOOK DOWN a notorious LEFTIST PERVERT
― goole, Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Missile shields, Iranian nuclear programme, it's all coming together
― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:57 (fourteen years ago) link
one leftist pervert down, millions to go amirite
― steamed hams (harbl), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:58 (fourteen years ago) link
Who are you calling a leftist, thangyewverymuchyou'vebeenawunnerfulaudience
― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:59 (fourteen years ago) link
"Prosecution by whim" doesn't even begin to come close to accurately describing a case in which someone was properly indicted by a grand jury, charged with a felony, allowed to plead guilty to a lesser felony, then fled before sentencing. It's very nearly the exact opposite, in fact.
― a wicked 60s beat poop combo (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, 1 October 2009 18:01 (fourteen years ago) link
I think the questionable thing is why it took them 31 years to get round to finding where and when he was at any given time
― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 1 October 2009 18:02 (fourteen years ago) link
it's questionable i guess but has no real relevance, there are many cases that pick up steam years later because of a fresh focus or a new person on the case or whatever
― omar little, Thursday, 1 October 2009 18:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Guys, let's drive to L.A. and ask to serve in the jury pool.
― Roman Polanski now sleeps in prison. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 October 2009 18:06 (fourteen years ago) link
and even if it's a "conspiracy", the conspiracy's "endgame" appears to be "hey let's get that rapist!"
― omar little, Thursday, 1 October 2009 18:06 (fourteen years ago) link
prosecution "by whim" ie randomly seems like it would produce better outcomes than the classist racist control mechanism we're getting now
― goole, Thursday, 1 October 2009 18:07 (fourteen years ago) link
11 guilty votes, and one vote for "don't you obama hustlees have anything better to do than convict a director of a crime from before half of you were born?"
― omar little, Thursday, 1 October 2009 18:08 (fourteen years ago) link