Taking Sides: Liverpool vs Everton

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It's not fair! The Champions of Europe surely have the right to longer hols and a bit of a lie-in!

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 10 June 2005 09:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh dear. Less money for Everton (and the other English clubs) as a direct result of this. Perhaps the FA should compensate somehow?

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 10 June 2005 09:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Liverpool will also get no "country protection" which means if they progress through the qualifying stages they could face Everton or Manchester United - who enter at the third qualifying round.

!!!

are you thinking what I'm thinking?

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 10 June 2005 09:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Couldn't we call the group stage a round robin instead? That might convince me of its worth.

I am not particularly aware of the Liverpool shine. Does that make me a holocaust denial person?

There is a bloke in my Lenny Henry programme called Everton.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Friday, 10 June 2005 09:58 (eighteen years ago) link

They'll get some, but it won't be an equal share. It'd be funny if it turned out to be the same amount they would have got from UEFA Cup tv rights, and were having to cancel the money-spinning German and Japanese tours (the latter of which definitely has "let's sell shitrs in the Far East" written all over it) for the privelege.

It'll be interesting to see how many of The Greatest Fans In The World Ever turn out for a tie with NK Široki Brijeg (to pick a random side from this year's first qualifying round).

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 10 June 2005 10:03 (eighteen years ago) link

The Greatest Fans In The World Ever

OI!

http://www.ntvcelticfanzine.com/images/revbhoyssevilledvd.jpg

Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 10 June 2005 10:06 (eighteen years ago) link

A truly efficient team would combine their tour of the far east with a scouting trip to look for suitable factories to manufacture them. Players could be put into pairs and sent to industrial districts to check out what's on offer. To save arguments, they could stay in their room-sharing pairs.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Friday, 10 June 2005 10:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Peter Stringbender is watching Chef!

why should Liverpool have been given any TV revenue at all? being in the Champs League is already plenty of reward, especially seeing as they didn't qualify. Everton really could have done without being forced to donate £5m to which they are fully entitled to Liverpool.

Lee F# (fsharp), Friday, 10 June 2005 10:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I am watching Chef, yes. I think it is quite good.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Friday, 10 June 2005 10:45 (eighteen years ago) link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/4081094.stm

Hooray for Liverpool, I suppose.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 10 June 2005 13:08 (eighteen years ago) link

A truly efficient team would combine their tour of the far east with a scouting trip to look for suitable factories to manufacture them. Players could be put into pairs and sent to industrial districts to check out what's on offer. To save arguments, they could stay in their room-sharing pairs.

I believe this to be the 1000th post on this thread. Well done, Peter - it couldn't happen to a nicer fella.

There is no prize.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 10 June 2005 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Relive the shine being taken off the Jonseys' season in digital clarity:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00081MWWA/ref=pd_nfy_hp_ts/026-0841495-4651641

I have been recommended this by Amazon. I thought it was only right to pass it on.

I am glad I was thousandth.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Sunday, 12 June 2005 16:50 (eighteen years ago) link

DVD Description
Featuring every goal from every game this season, highlights from the Carling Cup and extensive review of the Champions league, including footage from the spectacular match which contained every emotion for the watching millions, as AC Milan 's 3 - 0 half time lead was washed away in a tide of red!

I imagine the FA Cup may be glossed over a little though.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 12 June 2005 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Featuring every goal from every game this season

I wish I worked in DVD authoring - I could hack it so it played Lee Carsley's goal in a loop behind the unskippable anti-piracy warning at the start.

Maybe this is the one for JtN. Or maybe it's a bit of rush job with faked Alan Parry commentary.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 13 June 2005 08:28 (eighteen years ago) link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/4088620.stm

"We won the big one but it is important we forget about that and move on and try to do better in the Premiership."

Forget about winning the European Cup and concentrate on finishing 4th instead of 5th in the league?

Steven Gerrard is a twat.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Monday, 13 June 2005 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Does winning the Champions League not pay more than winning the Premiership? These people!

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 13 June 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I bet Liverpool sell more DVDs than Chelsea.

I think Gerrard's approach is quite sensible, judging by that brief out of context quotation.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 06:06 (eighteen years ago) link

What an unsatisfactory, depressing, hash of a compromise. If you're going to give Liverpool a spot, bung them in the group stages. Idiots. It'll backfire, mark my words.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 12:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Backfire for whom and in what sense?

"Backfire" for me obviously means them winning it again in 2006.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 13:09 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Stevie G. to leave?

I have mixed feelings about this. The overwhelming one is "What a greedy blighter".

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 4 July 2005 09:53 (eighteen years ago) link

The timing seems rather perverse; if he'd gone 12 months ago few would have criticised him (his staying saw him elevated to saintly status; an old-fashioned pro with an admirable sense of loyalty to the club which made him) but now?

Meanwhile, Everton release Stubbs (the alternative was probably a gagging order on his speaking to the press) and are once again linked with Bellamy. Thanks but no thanks.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 4 July 2005 10:07 (eighteen years ago) link

A bit of honesty, at last.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Stevie (T) is correct. So is Steady M. The situation is ridiculous. If Gerrard wanted to stay, he could stay. The idea that £100k / week is not enough for his talent is barmy and offensive. Maybe he should have been dragooned into some sort of Make Poverty History event, and that might have given him another perspective.

I don't think I understand or credit the notion, the claim, that LFC are freezing him out.

Dumbest line of the week: "if they sell him, they can afford to buy Owen Hargreaves!"

the pinefox, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:32 (eighteen years ago) link

If Gerrard's target is to win a league title or even repeat the Champions League success this season - as it should be, then leaving Liverpool perversely makes sense, as they just do not look likely to make a serious challenge for the Premiership, and chances of retaining the European Cup akin to chances of Greece retaining the European Championship (the problem with this argument being that intangible factors such as chance and probability were turned over in both cases - but would lightning strike twice in this respect?) - so Gerrard would've left Liverpool with or without a trophy in his bed it seems. Perverse I tells ya.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:41 (eighteen years ago) link

i dont like gerrard much

marcus bent wants to face liverpool in the CL. are everton, really bent's EIGHTH club? i wonder if purchases in the immediate future, will send him on the way to his ninth

charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Gerrard seems bent on harshing Cabbage's buzz.

What do footballers say now that they achieve financial security for life for themselves and their family in a week?

I really dislike Real Madrid, but I would go there for such a huge pay rise, I have to admit. Makes Chelsea look like a bunch of cheapskates.

The thing with Make Poverty History was it should have been Make Greed History all along. But that is a different story.

I don't like Bellamy.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I reckon Stevie G's been wracked with guilt and self-loathing all these years as a closet Blue (he was a Goodison regular as a kid) and now, finally, having been instrumental in winning L'pool the Champs Lge, he simply has to leave or the mental turmoil will overwhelm him.

He'll finish his career at Everton, the occasional sub's appearance as an injury-ravaged and slightly overweight 33-y-o, a man finally at peace as the Bullens Road hurl good-natured obscenities his way.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Stevie Me, only 33 days ago:

"How can I think of leaving Liverpool after a night like this?"

Turned out not to be too hard after all.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, that's what he said, but did you see his eyes? They were creaming, "Christ, what have I done? Get me out of here."

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link

"creaming"! Screaming, sorry.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I feel that i should've written my last post in the popular style.

I don't think money is the issue for Gerrard. It is just a strange situation to be in, to find yourself having achieved something incredible, something you aspire to repeating, but somewhere else, presumably somewhere where there is more chance of that success happening repeatedly. I wonder how these things trouble someone in such a position as his - such responsibility now.

I quite like him. and he really is a great player.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I think what Mr Stringbender said, about greed, was dead sharp.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I suppose a lot of Porto players pissed off as well.

I did not know he was a Toffee Boy.

I think he lacks the Dunkirk spirit.

I hope he does go and join the other Persil-touting morons at Madrid for a life of bench-warming and not being allowed out of the hotel punctuated with long-distance moaning.

Thank you, Sociah. I am secretly quite proud of it, and thinking of having it copyrighted so I can make a few quid from it.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Cast your mind back to being 15/16, it's a saturday, the night before you'd been talking to a nice girl, maybe had a bit of a snog at the end of the night while the DJ played Kylie and Jason, anyway, you'd agreed to meet outside Hudson's record shop the next day, so you go, and you wait, and you wait, and you wait. Then you leave. The next week you go back to the under 18s disco and she's snogging some other poor sucker.

That's exactly how I feel right now TENFOLD (decency? hah, I'm doubting it now)

if he's got any decency, he'll go to Barca and not be a Real fascist

ceebee, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:00 (eighteen years ago) link

In a weird way I am glad the indecision is now over. His demand that the club win things or he left cast a shadow over the whole of last season, and would have become incessant even if he had stayed. I am sickened by the way he has conducted himself, however.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Peter, that may not be a bad idea.

Poor Chris. Mind you, some of us never got a snog at all.

I have sympathy for everyone involved and affected by this curious situation, including Rich Stephen.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Hold on, Cabbage. He lifted the European Cup!

I would translate that into your snog metaphor but I fear the words might alert our IT department.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link

some of us came in their mouth

charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I have a lot of sympathy for the idea, expressed in the Guardian's Fiver, that Liverpool are about to get 32M for their second best midfielder. If Chelsea are intent on buying someone they patently don't need for a stupidly overrated amount of money, then I'd snatch their hand off. It's not even like they'll have the abuse for letting the crown jewels go.

I think Gerrard is a good player, but most players can be made world class by a selective series of edited highlights; He's been mainly rubbish for England, nowhere near as good for Liverpool week-in week -out as the London media would have people believe. Most shots and Hollywood passes aren't anywhere near as good as the one that make the compilations.

I now hope Liverpool win the European Cup and the League and Gerrard joins lil' Michael Owen in the 'what have I done?' stakes. Oh, and he's a greedy fucker. Obscene.

Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Charlton you have overstepped the mark, son.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 16:09 (eighteen years ago) link

(Congrats!)

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 16:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Dave B and by extension Teh Gradinuadis OTM. This is basically Zidane 2K5.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 16:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Did Gerrard actually request/demand more money or is it just that the club offered him more out of desperation? The concern for competetive status is surely more important to him than a competetive salary though naturally that is also key. I think Owen was/is very unlucky in a way!

I agree with Dave in that he is too inconsistent, perhaps this flatters the two big occasions where he delivered for the club last season - though those deliveries were utterly divine.

I still enjoy reminiscing about his performance for England v Germany in Sep 2001.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Everything Dave B said. I'm disappointed with Gerrard for wanting to leave, and I don't think this is about success (what have Real Madrid won recently? would you rather have Chelsea's league and tinpot, or Liverpool's European Cup?) just money. But £32 million! I would sell him without even thinking about it. How much did they get for Michael Owen last year?

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Can it really be about money if Gerrard is rejecting 100k a week? How many other players earn more than that a week?

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

There appears to be a vibe amongst some of teh englerland lads (Rio and Gerrard) that it's insulting to offer them a paltry 100K a week.

Is it about money - I'm reminded of the saying that millionaires become millionaires and stay millionaires by being tight-arsed money obsessed fuckers, whilst most of us see money as symbolic (we convert money into things in pursuit of what we want to do). I wonder whether this is another instance; the fact is, in sheer 'things to do with money if I had it' terms, another 500K a year is neither here nor there. Hence it's all about the money.

There's possibly the issue that he knows that in truth, Liverpool were 'lucky'* to win and wants to play somewhere where the ludic aspect will be less. He fails to understand that winning medals in a team such as Chelsea is incomparable to beikng a scouse legend. No sense of history, these young people.

* - lucky as in the true ludic nature of all the best sports

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Dave B talks sense. I don't want Gerard at Chelsea.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 07:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Turns out Stevie G is a jolly decent cove after all:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/4654837.stm

Good job we all publicly kept faith with the greedy little shitbag.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 07:18 (eighteen years ago) link

So, see you all in this thread in the January window when we repeat ourselves on this topic?

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 07:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I need to know what is in the window of Hudson's record shop. Is it a big Tina Turner cut-out?

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 07:21 (eighteen years ago) link


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